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Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: chewie on December 31, 2010, 01:40:00 AM
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Questions, Comments Concerns Welcomed
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
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Happy New Year. I am first day of my quit today and it is kind of surreal! But looking forward to roughing it through the day. I am on the "get throught the next hour" mode right now though.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
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Happy New Year. I am first day of my quit today and it is kind of surreal! But looking forward to roughing it through the day. I am on the "get throught the next hour" mode right now though.
Welcome.
You need to post roll. Check your (Inbox 1) upper right corner of your screen.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
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Apparently I'm not grown up enough to be here. So until I get my shit together, I won't be back to chat. You can contact me via PM here... Good luck to all and I will see you when i post.
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Apparently I'm not grown up enough to be here. So until I get my shit together, I won't be back to chat. You can contact me via PM here... Good luck to all and I will see you when i post.
Um... what?
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Apparently I'm not grown up enough to be here. So until I get my shit together, I won't be back to chat. You can contact me via PM here... Good luck to all and I will see you when i post.
Um... what?
http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/i ... topic=3770 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index.php?showtopic=3770)
I already PMd her.
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Blah two weeks (well, 17 days) done. I haven't logged on in a bit, but I've been on it, so I'll do roll call tomorrow.
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New blog post: Happy New Year!
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=516 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=516)
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Yesterday was the longest New Year's Day that I can ever remember. Maybe quitting makes life seem longer. 'qt'
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First day for me yesterday also. Pure Friggin hell.....Hope it gets easier.....
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Guys... first off welcome!
It ABSOLUTELY gets better. You're in the right place. Get involved and stick around. Before you know it life will be MUCH MUCH better.
chewie
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I am struggling hour to hour . still no dip. still committed.. Struggling though
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I am struggling hour to hour . still no dip. still committed.. Struggling though
Hang in there dude... the beginning is the roughest. You're doing the right thing - you're here and you're committed. Hop into live chat, talk to you group, etc. Remember, you NEVER have to feel like this again - as long as you don't go back to the can.
You're DOING IT!
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I am struggling hour to hour . still no dip. still committed.. Struggling though
Hang in there man. We just have to get thru today. We don't have to get thru the rest of our lives.
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I am struggling hour to hour . still no dip. still committed.. Struggling though
Stay tough brother, you can do it!!! second by second if need be.
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I am struggling hour to hour . still no dip. still committed.. Struggling though
Stay tough brother, you can do it!!! second by second if need be.
I am still dip free. Sunflower seeds are helping... Day 3 I hope is easier..
Thanks for the encouragement...
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Hey man I am right there with you. It seems like a constant battle to not think about having a dip right now. I have been real close tonight to driving to the gas station and giving up on this whole thing. The hardest part is I don't feel like sleeping tonight, last night I slept great, but tonight not so good. I just keep telling myself that I am not going to be controlled by that can any longer(and that actually gets me a little pissed-off). I think I am going to go buy that new Call of Duty game tomorrow and take my aggression out on the the Wii.
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Went to the gas station last night to fuel up and there it was, a can of dip laying in the floor board of the car. I knew if I took a dip it would be the can that killed me. If I can keep quit after 30 years of dipping, anyone can.
We just got to hang on for today. Hell, aliens might invade tomorrow and then where would we be?
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Went to the gas station last night to fuel up and there it was, a can of dip laying in the floor board of the car. I knew if I took a dip it would be the can that killed me. If I can keep quit after 30 years of dipping, anyone can.
We just got to hang on for today. Hell, aliens might invade tomorrow and then where would we be?
Well if aliens invade tomorrow and kill everyone, I might think about having one last dip before they get me :D
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Went to the gas station last night to fuel up and there it was, a can of dip laying in the floor board of the car. I knew if I took a dip it would be the can that killed me. If I can keep quit after 30 years of dipping, anyone can.
We just got to hang on for today. Hell, aliens might invade tomorrow and then where would we be?
Well if aliens invade tomorrow and kill everyone, I might think about having one last dip before they get me :D
Fail.
Never again, for any reason.
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Went to the gas station last night to fuel up and there it was, a can of dip laying in the floor board of the car. I knew if I took a dip it would be the can that killed me. If I can keep quit after 30 years of dipping, anyone can.
We just got to hang on for today. Hell, aliens might invade tomorrow and then where would we be?
Well if aliens invade tomorrow and kill everyone, I might think about having one last dip before they get me :D
Fail.
Never again, for any reason.
Ready is correct. NEVER again.
Why would you give those fuckers one more penny of your money?? They have lied to you for years. Stolen from you, fucked over your families. They lure kids into using their fucking poison so they can bleed them of money all their shortend lives. They could give less than a shit about your health. All they are looking for his how much money they can suck out of you before you are planted.
Spend some time reading about what the tobacco companies know and do. As I have said before, I will set my money on fire before I ever give those fucks one more penny.
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This sucks balls!!! Yesterday was my first day off. I'm 32, been dipping Copenhagen since I was 14 (probably averaged a can every 2 days over that course of time). Got 2 boys age 4 and 3 and I need to do this for them. This is the worst feeling ever!!! Any advice would be welcomed. Been chewing the shit out of seeds and gum but still having the worst withdrawal symptoms.
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This sucks balls!!! Yesterday was my first day off. I'm 32, been dipping Copenhagen since I was 14 (probably averaged a can every 2 days over that course of time). Got 2 boys age 4 and 3 and I need to do this for them. This is the worst feeling ever!!! Any advice would be welcomed. Been chewing the shit out of seeds and gum but still having the worst withdrawal symptoms.
Congrats on your quit! First you need to quit for yourself. Take it one hour, one minute at a time. Read as much as you can on this site. The early quit is a bitch. It's the fog, the suck, the rage, and every other shitty feeling you could imagine. We put that shit into or systems for years and our body hates us for taking it away from us. It will try to fool us into caving, but you can't, you will die a miserable death and leave those kids without a father. Think about how horrible your kids and wife will feel then. Compare that to your pain right now. Which is worse? Which won't ever end? Post roll today and keep your promise, then do it again tomorrow.
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Welcome. You have found the best place to quit and stay that way. All of the tools and support required can be found here. You can do this. We will help. Remember, when you post roll, you are giving your word of honor not to use nicotine in any way shape or form, one day at a time. Keep your word.
If today is day - 1, Your quit group is April 2011... here ....
http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/i ... topic=4159 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index.php?showtopic=4159)
Here are some links you may find helpful...
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A how to get started by Remy:
index.php?showtopic=1360 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1360)
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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS
index.php?showtopic=88 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=88)
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Roll call, why we do it your word by LOOT.
index.php?showtopic=120 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
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What to Expect when you quit.
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
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Contract to give up...
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp)
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Smokeless alternatives
http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp)
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Words of Wisdom, Read them all
index.php?showforum=41 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41)
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How to post roll.
index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
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How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last (MOST RECENT) Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, check to see that the last few people to post are still on your roll call. Keep your word.
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
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Thanks everyone for the assistance. I found my group and posted roll. This is actually day 2 (approaching 48 hours). Feel shitty but I'm in this for the long haul.
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Though I'd share a little story with you guys.
Went to the convenience store today to get some milk. The guy that was in line in front of me had a bottle of gatorade and then he bought a can of chew at the counter.
I wanted to yell at him to tell him what an asshole he is but thought better of it.
When I left the store I saw that same guy sitting in his car chugging half the bottle and then dumping the rest. Then he sliced open the can and put a lip in.
Seeing that reminded me of how bad that nic bitch had me in her reigns a little over 2 weeks ago and what a loser I was when I did the same thing just to have a spitter.
The good thing is that it only strengthened my resolve.
Seb
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
Day 1
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
Day 1
Way to go Trauma
Read 1-4 here
index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Ask any questions you have and you will get all the answers you need
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
Day 1
Way to go Trauma
Read 1-4 here
index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Ask any questions you have and you will get all the answers you need
Great Decision Trauma !!! Welcome to the party
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just found this site as i savored a satisfying yet deep down unwanted chew, been doing it for 16 years over a can a day,, tried to quit before,, im a mechanic, so its so easy to get carried away in the middle of a job,, i really want to quit this for myself and my three kids,, i just threw out the 3/4 full can of Kodiak, after reading a few posts from this site, so im already a little jittery knowing i dont have a can on hand, im gonna need some help on this,, really appreciate the effort you guys show for people that come on here for help, so let this first move of today be the beginning of a healthier life,,
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
Day 1
Way to go Trauma
Read 1-4 here
index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Ask any questions you have and you will get all the answers you need
Great Decision Trauma !!! Welcome to the party
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
Well, here I am at work ... have chewed Copenhagen for 23 years. Quit 4JAN11. Don't know if I'll make it because I have failed before ... worried because tonight is the first weekend without it ... Usually watch movies with my wife, eat, drink BEERs and chew ... feels like everything in my life has to stop because everything reminds me of snuff ... worried I'll chew again ... worried I can't enjoy a beer ... worried I'll gain tons of weight ... just worried about everything and a little sick to stomach ... don;t know how to make this work ...
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
Well, here I am at work ... have chewed Copenhagen for 23 years. Quit 4JAN11. Don't know if I'll make it because I have failed before ... worried because tonight is the first weekend without it ... Usually watch movies with my wife, eat, drink BEERs and chew ... feels like everything in my life has to stop because everything reminds me of snuff ... worried I'll chew again ... worried I can't enjoy a beer ... worried I'll gain tons of weight ... just worried about everything and a little sick to stomach ... don;t know how to make this work ...
19 year dipper. Quit December 27, 2010. New to group / site. Good to see such supportive folks.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
Well, here I am at work ... have chewed Copenhagen for 23 years. Quit 4JAN11. Don't know if I'll make it because I have failed before ... worried because tonight is the first weekend without it ... Usually watch movies with my wife, eat, drink BEERs and chew ... feels like everything in my life has to stop because everything reminds me of snuff ... worried I'll chew again ... worried I can't enjoy a beer ... worried I'll gain tons of weight ... just worried about everything and a little sick to stomach ... don;t know how to make this work ...
How worried do you think you'll be right before the surgery to remove your bottom jaw?
Check your Inbox (1) - upper right corner.
You can do this.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
Well, here I am at work ... have chewed Copenhagen for 23 years. Quit 4JAN11. Don't know if I'll make it because I have failed before ... worried because tonight is the first weekend without it ... Usually watch movies with my wife, eat, drink BEERs and chew ... feels like everything in my life has to stop because everything reminds me of snuff ... worried I'll chew again ... worried I can't enjoy a beer ... worried I'll gain tons of weight ... just worried about everything and a little sick to stomach ... don;t know how to make this work ...
19 year dipper. Quit December 27, 2010. New to group / site. Good to see such supportive folks.
Welcome.
Check your Inbox(1). Upper right corner.
You can do this.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR QUITTERS!
Happy New Year!!
Nothing is better than that new quit smell.
Happy New Year! My first New Year dip free...EVER!
Thank you KTC, and everyone who paved the way for us.
NOLAQ - 292
Happy New Year Quitters !!
Happy New Year KTC!!!
Thank God I found you!
Brian
Well, here I am at work ... have chewed Copenhagen for 23 years. Quit 4JAN11. Don't know if I'll make it because I have failed before ... worried because tonight is the first weekend without it ... Usually watch movies with my wife, eat, drink BEERs and chew ... feels like everything in my life has to stop because everything reminds me of snuff ... worried I'll chew again ... worried I can't enjoy a beer ... worried I'll gain tons of weight ... just worried about everything and a little sick to stomach ... don;t know how to make this work ...
19 year dipper. Quit December 27, 2010. New to group / site. Good to see such supportive folks.
Welcome.
Check your Inbox(1). Upper right corner.
You can do this.
New here. Tomorrow will be my first post. Noon today was last lipper for a while. Already difficult knowing another dip is NOT right around the corner. Tin a day (at least) for 5 years. Ruining my life.
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New here. Tomorrow will be my first post. Noon today was last lipper for a while. Already difficult knowing another dip is NOT right around the corner. Tin a day (at least) for 5 years. Ruining my life.
You too???? I just quit to pass an insurance screening. Sooooooooo looking fwd to that day I start back. I mean really quitting for a little bit is just as good, right???
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Good Morning KTC
We have a Canadian Quitter who caved. He says he has no Canadian contacts.
I'm putting out an APB on all our Canadian brothers to reach out and make contact with him.
browniemanab is his site name
Thanks Brothers and Sisters
Brian
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New here. Tomorrow will be my first post. Noon today was last lipper for a while. Already difficult knowing another dip is NOT right around the corner. Tin a day (at least) for 5 years. Ruining my life.
You too???? I just quit to pass an insurance screening. Sooooooooo looking fwd to that day I start back. I mean really quitting for a little bit is just as good, right???
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I think the phrase Bama was referring too was...[/QUOTE]Noon today was last lipper for a while. the for a while indicates that this is not your true desire.
You might want to rethink the whole phrase...or just delete it!
The words you use have a direct corrolation as to the mindset....If I give myself a chance to use again, I WILL! I am an ADDICT! If I give myself a place to fail, I will... If I am not totally honest with myself, I will lie, cheat, scheam, my way back to the can, because I have done it all before....a hundred times.
Make the decision......I am quit! I will not use today! Caving is not an option!
Do you see any way out of those statements? The only difference between a CHAMP or a CHUMP........is U!
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New here. Tomorrow will be my first post. Noon today was last lipper for a while. Already difficult knowing another dip is NOT right around the corner. Tin a day (at least) for 5 years. Ruining my life.
You too???? I just quit to pass an insurance screening. Sooooooooo looking fwd to that day I start back. I mean really quitting for a little bit is just as good, right???
:angry:
I think the phrase Bama was referring too was..."Noon today was last lipper for a while". the for a while indicates that this is not your true desire.
You might want to rethink the whole phrase...or just delete it!
The words you use have a direct corrolation as to the mindset....If I give myself a chance to use again, I WILL! I am an ADDICT! If I give myself a place to fail, I will... If I am not totally honest with myself, I will lie, cheat, scheam, my way back to the can, because I have done it all before....a hundred times.
Make the decision......I am quit! I will not use today! Caving is not an option!
Do you see any way out of those statements? The only difference between a CHAMP or a CHUMP........is U!
Yeah KBear, if this is a temporary thing - move on and don't waste our time. If you are in for the long haul then I am damn glad to have you.
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New here. Tomorrow will be my first post. Noon today was last lipper for a while. Already difficult knowing another dip is NOT right around the corner. Tin a day (at least) for 5 years. Ruining my life.
You too???? I just quit to pass an insurance screening. Sooooooooo looking fwd to that day I start back. I mean really quitting for a little bit is just as good, right???
:angry:
I think the phrase Bama was referring too was..."Noon today was last lipper for a while". the for a while indicates that this is not your true desire.
You might want to rethink the whole phrase...or just delete it!
The words you use have a direct corrolation as to the mindset....If I give myself a chance to use again, I WILL! I am an ADDICT! If I give myself a place to fail, I will... If I am not totally honest with myself, I will lie, cheat, scheam, my way back to the can, because I have done it all before....a hundred times.
Make the decision......I am quit! I will not use today! Caving is not an option!
Do you see any way out of those statements? The only difference between a CHAMP or a CHUMP........is U!
Yeah KBear, if this is a temporary thing - move on and don't waste our time. If you are in for the long haul then I am damn glad to have you.
Drinking and posting tends to not always work out well....instead of just being an ass I should have offered a little bit more in attempt to be helpful.
Perhaps that was just a poor choice of words. with the whole "last dip for a while" thing.
However, as the good Dr. outlined...words have a direct correlation with mindset. A positive mental attitude is one of the biggest keys to success.
I fully acknowledge that going into a quit thinking in terms of forever can be detrimental. As in...."it so damn hard on day 2, how the hell am I going to go through this for the rest of my life."
At the same time you have to have an attitude that breads success. Not one that leave you room to wiggle on your decision.
Get in here and make it happen. Focus on today and then we will move to tomorrow. Quit together.
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Capp, that is exactly how I found this site. It is the best search I ever made. A mod will reach out to you soon with instructions and other info soon.
I post roll by:
Hit quote box in right corner.
Highlight and select all in the lower box on the page
Cut
Paste into the upper box
Add your name to the list of quitters
Your month is April
Sorry this is sloppy, I'm posting from my iPad
Day 1
Just joined this site and what a big help so far. Chewing for 24yrs up to 2 cans a day the last 10yrs. Suffered alot of the side effects the last four days that i havnt chewed.
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ncgolfer, thanks for the support! This may be a dumb question, but how do you post roll? I just stumbled upon this site while researching some safe alternatives to dip.
Welcome. You have found the best place to quit and stay that way. All of the tools and support required can be found here. You can do this. We will help. Remember, when you post roll, you are giving your word of honor not to use nicotine in any way shape or form, one day at a time. Keep your word.
If today is day - 1, Your quit group is April 2011... here ....
http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/i ... topic=4159 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index.php?showtopic=4159)
Here are some links you may find helpful...
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A how to get started by Remy:
index.php?showtopic=1360 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1360)
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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS
index.php?showtopic=88 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=88)
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Roll call, why we do it your word by LOOT.
index.php?showtopic=120 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
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What to Expect when you quit.
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
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Contract to give up...
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp)
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Smokeless alternatives
http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp)
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Words of Wisdom, Read them all
index.php?showforum=41 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41)
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How to post roll.
index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
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How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last (MOST RECENT) Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, check to see that the last few people to post are still on your roll call. Keep your word.
blimp
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Good Morning KTC
We have a Canadian Quitter who caved. He says he has no Canadian contacts.
I'm putting out an APB on all our Canadian brothers to reach out and make contact with him.
browniemanab is his site name
Thanks Brothers and Sisters
Brian
I'm Canadian. And over a year quit, how can I help?
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Good Morning KTC
We have a Canadian Quitter who caved. He says he has no Canadian contacts.
I'm putting out an APB on all our Canadian brothers to reach out and make contact with him.
browniemanab is his site name
Thanks Brothers and Sisters
Brian
I'm Canadian. And over a year quit, how can I help?
Not to turn down help, but you're over a year quit, been registered at KTC since April 2010, but have only 14 posts? WTF?
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Good Morning KTC
We have a Canadian Quitter who caved. He says he has no Canadian contacts.
I'm putting out an APB on all our Canadian brothers to reach out and make contact with him.
browniemanab is his site name
Thanks Brothers and Sisters
Brian
I'm Canadian. And over a year quit, how can I help?
Not to turn down help, but you're over a year quit, been registered at KTC since April 2010, but have only 14 posts? WTF?
The answer to your question lies here: index.php?showtopic=4252 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4252)
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ouch that hurt. :o
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ouch that hurt. :o
what's that?
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Sure are a lot of inactive people who are still members. I can understand the hiatus, but I still think it's sad.
It would be better, if each of us saw our association with KTC as a permanent draft into the special ops against Big Tobacco.
Rant over . . . .
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Sure are a lot of inactive people who are still members. I can understand the hiatus, but I still think it's sad.
It would be better, if each of us saw our association with KTC as a permanent draft into the special ops against Big Tobacco.
Rant over . . . .
Rant away my man... and keep ranting. The more active you are, the more solid your quit becomes / stays.
My two cents at least...
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Here is a question for everyone. How does one ask for help?
A guy is having a hard time in general. Things around him seem to be going to shit. He has been quit for 5 to 6 weeks. He is in the fog and raging. He is at the point where he is fed up and thinking about caving. He did not post for the day because he is not sure he will be able to keep his word. So he decides he needs help and calls one of his numbers.
Then what?
He says hey whats up I am a filthy slimy worm and thinking about caving?
No instead he says whats up and turns the conversation away from himself. Until finally the guy on the other end says why have you not posted and he says I will gotta go.
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Here is a question for everyone. How does one ask for help?
A guy is having a hard time in general. Things around him seem to be going to shit. He has been quit for 5 to 6 weeks. He is in the fog and raging. He is at the point where he is fed up and thinking about caving. He did not post for the day because he is not sure he will be able to keep his word. So he decides he needs help and calls one of his numbers.
Then what?
He says hey whats up I am a filthy slimy worm and thinking about caving?
No instead he says whats up and turns the conversation away from himself. Until finally the guy on the other end says why have you not posted and he says I will gotta go.
backwards thinking bro.....you don't quit so you can post roll.....
you post roll so you can quit.
Post Roll first thing each morning....always
Realize you are giving your word.....always
Realize your honor and integrity is being wagered.....always
Realize someone else is depending on you keeping your word.....always
Realize your addiction will try to get you back.....always
Realize every battle, no matter how small will make you stronger.....always
Realize a dip is not ever going to be worth sacrificing all the above......ever.
Best way to fight the funks is to post roll and keep your word.....and involve yourself in the site and someone else's quit.......
Besides, you've been sittin on my porch.....it would be rude to break your word to ole mule.
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Here is a question for everyone. How does one ask for help?
A guy is having a hard time in general. Things around him seem to be going to shit. He has been quit for 5 to 6 weeks. He is in the fog and raging. He is at the point where he is fed up and thinking about caving. He did not post for the day because he is not sure he will be able to keep his word. So he decides he needs help and calls one of his numbers.
Then what?
He says hey whats up I am a filthy slimy worm and thinking about caving?
No instead he says whats up and turns the conversation away from himself. Until finally the guy on the other end says why have you not posted and he says I will gotta go.
backwards thinking bro.....you don't quit so you can post roll.....
you post roll so you can quit.
Post Roll first thing each morning....always
Realize you are giving your word.....always
Realize your honor and integrity is being wagered.....always
Realize someone else is depending on you keeping your word.....always
Realize your addiction will try to get you back.....always
Realize every battle, no matter how small will make you stronger.....always
Realize a dip is not ever going to be worth sacrificing all the above......ever.
Best way to fight the funks is to post roll and keep your word.....and involve yourself in the site and someone else's quit.......
Besides, you've been sittin on my porch.....it would be rude to break your word to ole mule.
You had me at "always".
Great post Mule.
To all (day 1 or day 1,000): Heed these words.
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Here is a question for everyone. How does one ask for help?
A guy is having a hard time in general. Things around him seem to be going to shit. He has been quit for 5 to 6 weeks. He is in the fog and raging. He is at the point where he is fed up and thinking about caving. He did not post for the day because he is not sure he will be able to keep his word. So he decides he needs help and calls one of his numbers.
Then what?
He says hey whats up I am a filthy slimy worm and thinking about caving?
No instead he says whats up and turns the conversation away from himself. Until finally the guy on the other end says why have you not posted and he says I will gotta go.
backwards thinking bro.....you don't quit so you can post roll.....
you post roll so you can quit.
Post Roll first thing each morning....always
Realize you are giving your word.....always
Realize your honor and integrity is being wagered.....always
Realize someone else is depending on you keeping your word.....always
Realize your addiction will try to get you back.....always
Realize every battle, no matter how small will make you stronger.....always
Realize a dip is not ever going to be worth sacrificing all the above......ever.
Best way to fight the funks is to post roll and keep your word.....and involve yourself in the site and someone else's quit.......
Besides, you've been sittin on my porch.....it would be rude to break your word to ole mule.
You had me at "always".
Great post Mule.
To all (day 1 or day 1,000): Heed these words.
Everyday quit and posting +1 is a small battle won in the huge war against nic. follow the examples set here by some of the great vets like Mule QT and you will make. How do I know this? Because that's exactley what I did. If you need a number to put in your emergency book PM me and its yours.
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I'm new, and tomorrow will mark my 1st week of being dip free. Quick question -- I've had upper jaw pain ever since I quit. Is this normal?
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I'm new, and tomorrow will mark my 1st week of being dip free. Quick question -- I've had upper jaw pain ever since I quit. Is this normal?
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
Then check your (Inbox 1) upper right corner of your screen.
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I am no doctor nor have I played one on TV, but I had some pain and sores in my mouth for a couple of weeks. Like everyone says on here you can wait a couple of weeks then go to doctor. Or can go now for peace of mind.
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I'm new, and tomorrow will mark my 1st week of being dip free. Quick question -- I've had upper jaw pain ever since I quit. Is this normal?
Short answer... yes, it's normal.
Longer answer... like everyone else, I'm not a doc. But when I quit my jaw felt like it was going to crawl off my damn face. It was either tingling or hurting pretty much 24/7. In the end, it didn't fall off, crawl away or turn into cancer.
Hang in there my man.
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New blog post: The Difference Between “Us” And “Them”
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=518 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=518)
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Found this site randomly. 31 years old, been chewing since i was about 18 pretty steady. Do a can a day. Finally at the point where ive had enough of it and i am ready to give it up. Just had baby #1 and I have to do it for her.
First day without a dip is today, anyone have any hints or tips to keep my mind off it feel free to let me know!
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Found this site randomly. 31 years old, been chewing since i was about 18 pretty steady. Do a can a day. Finally at the point where ive had enough of it and i am ready to give it up. Just had baby #1 and I have to do it for her.
First day without a dip is today, anyone have any hints or tips to keep my mind off it feel free to let me know!
Post up an intro, go find the May '11 quit group, post roll call, read the site and get involved. Tons of good info here. Drink lots of water, get some seeds, gum and hard candies, then hold on to your ass.....its a wild ride. But a ride that I can promise will be well worth the effort.
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Found this site randomly. 31 years old, been chewing since i was about 18 pretty steady. Do a can a day. Finally at the point where ive had enough of it and i am ready to give it up. Just had baby #1 and I have to do it for her.
First day without a dip is today, anyone have any hints or tips to keep my mind off it feel free to let me know!
Post up an intro, go find the May '11 quit group, post roll call, read the site and get involved. Tons of good info here. Drink lots of water, get some seeds, gum and hard candies, then hold on to your ass.....its a wild ride. But a ride that I can promise will be well worth the effort.
Found this site randomly.
You lucky bastard.
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Found this site randomly. 31 years old, been chewing since i was about 18 pretty steady. Do a can a day. Finally at the point where ive had enough of it and i am ready to give it up. Just had baby #1 and I have to do it for her.
First day without a dip is today, anyone have any hints or tips to keep my mind off it feel free to let me know!
Post up an intro, go find the May '11 quit group, post roll call, read the site and get involved. Tons of good info here. Drink lots of water, get some seeds, gum and hard candies, then hold on to your ass.....its a wild ride. But a ride that I can promise will be well worth the effort.
Found this site randomly.
You lucky bastard.
anyone have any hints or tips to keep my mind off it feel free to let me know!
Yes, you need to take the shit out of your lip and post roll. Then keep your word.
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Nevermind.
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I have been off the can for over 100 days now. Recently I stepped into a bathroom at school and the cleaner the janitor used smelled like wintergreen. Instantly I got my cravings back and almost caved. I had a dream that night about taking a big ol lipper. For the last couple days after this incident I have been craving really hard and Ive even felt iritable.
I was wondering if its normal to have such strong craves this late in the game? Amazingly before this happened I went for about a week without thinking about dip and I thought i was through. Im kinda bummed right now and need some feedback
I hope these cravings don't randomly come back like this.
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I have been off the can for over 100 days now. Recently I stepped into a bathroom at school and the cleaner the janitor used smelled like wintergreen. Instantly I got my cravings back and almost caved. I had a dream that night about taking a big ol lipper. For the last couple days after this incident I have been craving really hard and Ive even felt iritable.
I was wondering if its normal to have such strong craves this late in the game? Amazingly before this happened I went for about a week without thinking about dip and I thought i was through. Im kinda bummed right now and need some feedback
I hope these cravings don't randomly come back like this.
aggy - I've got some good news and some bad news for you.
The bad news first... these kind of "pop up" craves will happen for a LONG damn time. Hundreds of days... years from now. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
The good news is that they get farther and father between and less and less intense. The further along you go in your quit, the more equipped you are to deal with stuff like this. I see you just joined today... stick around. There's literally thousands of people here to help you along your journey.
chewie
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Hi, I'm Joe
Been dipping since the age of 12 or 13, really can't remember. I'm 31 years old now and therefore almost two decades of sticking shit in my mouth. I've managed to stop several times before, once for Marine boot, but after, mostly two weeks at a time. There seems like there always is a stressor that triggers a cave.
I'm deployed to Afghanistan right now, I figure it's a good time to make a good try before I go home to the wife and the boys. Right now I am on the gum, so I am not going to post roll quite yet. Away from the family I'm not exactly known as the nicest guy but as long as the people who are important to me are not here to witness me having nic fits, I'm good to go for a try at being quit.
My wife was a smoker. She has managed to quit while I am gone and now I need to hold up my end of the pact.
I am glad I found this website and almost look forward to this challenge.
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Hi, I'm Joe
Been dipping since the age of 12 or 13, really can't remember. I'm 31 years old now and therefore almost two decades of sticking shit in my mouth. I've managed to stop several times before, once for Marine boot, but after, mostly two weeks at a time. There seems like there always is a stressor that triggers a cave.
I'm deployed to Afghanistan right now, I figure it's a good time to make a good try before I go home to the wife and the boys. Right now I am on the gum, so I am not going to post roll quite yet. Away from the family I'm not exactly known as the nicest guy but as long as the people who are important to me are not here to witness me having nic fits, I'm good to go for a try at being quit.
My wife was a smoker. She has managed to quit while I am gone and now I need to hold up my end of the pact.
I am glad I found this website and almost look forward to this challenge.
Welcome Marine.
First, this is a no nic site. Period. Dump the gum. It's no good for you.
Second, we don't try here. We do.
Third, we're here for support. Check your Inbox (1) upper right corner.
Finally, Semper Fi, and let's get this shit done.
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
well put NOLAQ
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
well put NOLAQ
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Well said NOLAQ.
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
well put NOLAQ
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Well said NOLAQ.
Kinda hard to argue with 100%.
On a similar note, why not find a few newbs in the brand new groups, and "shepherd a flock" so to speak? It can be public or private. If you think your accountability meter is full with brothers from your group, wait until you help a couple of guys hit double digits.
In September 2005, LOOT hit 100. LOOT decided he was comfortable enough to help. So, in April and May of '06, LOOT got involved. Involved hard. It became almost like an obsession. LOOT would like to think he had something to do with the success of that generation. If anyone cared to look it up, April and May '06 is where 4 of the 7 original Administrators came from. LOOT'd like to think he had something to do with assembling a team that is destroying UST one saved life at a time.
Hell, the current Admin/Mod team is comprised of a bunch a guys LOOT recruited when LOOT hit his comma. The point? Believe it or not, it's not so LOOT can pat LOOT on the back...the point is YOU can make a difference in the life of a human being that you will likely never meet. It doesn't take much time, just a genuine interest in helping.
When you get to a point in your quit where you feel good about it, Pay it Forward. Make a decision that you will leave the site in better shape than you found it. Your quit will be rewarded in immeasurable ways.
NOLAQ...you get it though don't you. The girls you coach in real life 'prolly make your eyes well up when you look back at what they have accomplished over the years huh? LOOT feels the same way about his internet friends.
If everyone adopts a few newbs and spends 100 days with them, watching, encouraging, teaching, this place can do much and impact many.
A thought for a Wednesday. Thanks NOLAQ. Thanks for reminding LOOT what is important.
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
well put NOLAQ
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Well said NOLAQ.
Kinda hard to argue with 100%.
On a similar note, why not find a few newbs in the brand new groups, and "shepherd a flock" so to speak? It can be public or private. If you think your accountability meter is full with brothers from your group, wait until you help a couple of guys hit double digits.
In September 2005, LOOT hit 100. LOOT decided he was comfortable enough to help. So, in April and May of '06, LOOT got involved. Involved hard. It became almost like an obsession. LOOT would like to think he had something to do with the success of that generation. If anyone cared to look it up, April and May '06 is where 4 of the 7 original Administrators came from. LOOT'd like to think he had something to do with assembling a team that is destroying UST one saved life at a time.
Hell, the current Admin/Mod team is comprised of a bunch a guys LOOT recruited when LOOT hit his comma. The point? Believe it or not, it's not so LOOT can pat LOOT on the back...the point is YOU can make a difference in the life of a human being that you will likely never meet. It doesn't take much time, just a genuine interest in helping.
When you get to a point in your quit where you feel good about it, Pay it Forward. Make a decision that you will leave the site in better shape than you found it. Your quit will be rewarded in immeasurable ways.
NOLAQ...you get it though don't you. The girls you coach in real life 'prolly make your eyes well up when you look back at what they have accomplished over the years huh? LOOT feels the same way about his internet friends.
If everyone adopts a few newbs and spends 100 days with them, watching, encouraging, teaching, this place can do much and impact many.
A thought for a Wednesday. Thanks NOLAQ. Thanks for reminding LOOT what is important.
Makes ole mule proud to be a deacon in the church of LooT.....and more importantly....
to count him and dozens of others amongst my friends.....IF LooT and many others hadn't taken the time to invest just a little encouragement/swift kick in the ass......not sure i'd be here.
posted 1128 this morning....and it still feels good and right.
good stuff indeed.
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So it's time for another coaching analogy to relate to my quit. If you're sick of hearing me relate the two together, quit reading now, you've been warned.
I have a young lady that's been on my team for about 4 years now. She's a freshman in High School now, and much like all the kids I see when they get to 7, 8, 9th grade, they tend to stray away from the gymnastics thing to pursue school sports and activities. We totally support them when they do. I get it, that they want to hang out with their friends instead of working out three hours a night, three or four nights a week. I'm cool with that. This girl has a very hard time fitting in for a number of reasons. Quite frankly, the safest, most secure, most stable place she has is my gym. Our program is the one place where she hasn't been beaten up (figuratively and literally), or shunned, or dismissed or ignored. She's got a rough life.
She is struggling in the gym right now. Not performing. Frankly, her attitude sucks and it shows. She is finding every excuse to distract herself from the gym. She's trying cheerleading (quit), swim team, skiing, whatever.
So I sat her down last night and instead of tearing her up, I asked her, "Instead of looking for other things to fill your time, why not devote your time here and really do well this year?" It hit home. She cried. I make girls cry a lot...I dunno...
If you've continued to read this far, here it is: KTC is the safest, most secure, most stable place I can find to quit. Why would you try to find other things to distract yourself from here? It's time tested and true. Posting roll for 324 days has helped keep the shit out of my face. Why would I mess with 100%? My class, June 2010 has 30 (out of 40) confirmed quitters that hit the 3rd floor. I think that is amazing. The reason? We all understand that we need to devote the time to stay here. It's not a lot of time either. It takes 3 or 4 real minutes to post roll. 30 seconds on a good day.
So the question to you is, "Instead of looking for excuses as to why you don't have to be accountable, or why you can't post roll, or why you can't answer a text from a concerned brother...why don't you devote yourself to YOUR QUIT and really do well this year?"
This.... is.... awesome.
Thank you sir.
well put NOLAQ
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Well said NOLAQ.
Kinda hard to argue with 100%.
On a similar note, why not find a few newbs in the brand new groups, and "shepherd a flock" so to speak? It can be public or private. If you think your accountability meter is full with brothers from your group, wait until you help a couple of guys hit double digits.
In September 2005, LOOT hit 100. LOOT decided he was comfortable enough to help. So, in April and May of '06, LOOT got involved. Involved hard. It became almost like an obsession. LOOT would like to think he had something to do with the success of that generation. If anyone cared to look it up, April and May '06 is where 4 of the 7 original Administrators came from. LOOT'd like to think he had something to do with assembling a team that is destroying UST one saved life at a time.
Hell, the current Admin/Mod team is comprised of a bunch a guys LOOT recruited when LOOT hit his comma. The point? Believe it or not, it's not so LOOT can pat LOOT on the back...the point is YOU can make a difference in the life of a human being that you will likely never meet. It doesn't take much time, just a genuine interest in helping.
When you get to a point in your quit where you feel good about it, Pay it Forward. Make a decision that you will leave the site in better shape than you found it. Your quit will be rewarded in immeasurable ways.
NOLAQ...you get it though don't you. The girls you coach in real life 'prolly make your eyes well up when you look back at what they have accomplished over the years huh? LOOT feels the same way about his internet friends.
If everyone adopts a few newbs and spends 100 days with them, watching, encouraging, teaching, this place can do much and impact many.
A thought for a Wednesday. Thanks NOLAQ. Thanks for reminding LOOT what is important.
Makes ole mule proud to be a deacon in the church of LooT.....and more importantly....
to count him and dozens of others amongst my friends.....IF LooT and many others hadn't taken the time to invest just a little encouragement/swift kick in the ass......not sure i'd be here.
posted 1128 this morning....and it still feels good and right.
good stuff indeed.
Yup, LOOT and a few others took an interest in me and my group over three years ago. I posted 1098 today.
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Great tropics. Great coaching analogy. I'm new on here and on quit day 20 and it is hard to the least. My main question now is my throat feel swollen and my toung feels thick/swollen. Not all the time but is seems to start around mid day? Some back history is I have had some health issues in the last month. To long of a list but healthy up to this last month. Most health issues started a few week before I quit. Over all just scared and wanted to know if this is withdrawl like described on this site. Thanks,
Ktm640
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Great tropics. Great coaching analogy. I'm new on here and on quit day 20 and it is hard to the least. My main question now is my throat feel swollen and my toung feels thick/swollen. Not all the time but is seems to start around mid day? Some back history is I have had some health issues in the last month. To long of a list but healthy up to this last month. Most health issues started a few week before I quit. Over all just scared and wanted to know if this is withdrawl like described on this site. Thanks,
Ktm640
I'm not a doctor and i don't play one on tv....but i do know i went thru physical ailments that scared me early in my quit. Personally, i went to the doctor and dentist for a check up. Counted myself fortunate after almost 30 years to still be all right.
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
this has some good common info we all generally go thru and you are certainly better off quitting....always. Probably just your body's way of getting back at you for taking it's pacifier.....any major concerns should be checked out with your physician.
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Thanks for the reply and the link. Yes I'm feeling better from the health issue that started about a month ago and I went to the Doctor for this and also had them look for other things and all that was found was my thyroid was slow and swollen. One doctor said I have Hashmoto's? Also went to the dentist and he said all looks good but we are awaiting the new Visline test to make sure. The feeling of my swollen throat and toung may also be due to the thyroid issue (At least that is what I have found on the internet?) But as said before it still is scary. Thanks again,
KTM640
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Thanks for the reply and the link. Yes I'm feeling better from the health issue that started about a month ago and I went to the Doctor for this and also had them look for other things and all that was found was my thyroid was slow and swollen. One doctor said I have Hashmoto's? Also went to the dentist and he said all looks good but we are awaiting the new Visline test to make sure. The feeling of my swollen throat and toung may also be due to the thyroid issue (At least that is what I have found on the internet?) But as said before it still is scary. Thanks again,
KTM640
KTM -
To add to what mule (and your doctors) have said. My tongue and throat went through this exact same thing when I quit. Seeing a doc is never a bad idea but I'd say from what you've said this is nothing more than withdrawal from nic.
chewie
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Thanks for the reply and the link. Yes I'm feeling better from the health issue that started about a month ago and I went to the Doctor for this and also had them look for other things and all that was found was my thyroid was slow and swollen. One doctor said I have Hashmoto's? Also went to the dentist and he said all looks good but we are awaiting the new Visline test to make sure. The feeling of my swollen throat and toung may also be due to the thyroid issue (At least that is what I have found on the internet?) But as said before it still is scary. Thanks again,
KTM640
KTM -
To add to what mule (and your doctors) have said. My tongue and throat went through this exact same thing when I quit. Seeing a doc is never a bad idea but I'd say from what you've said this is nothing more than withdrawal from nic.
chewie
chewie,
Thanks for the support. It is amazing how this little can can control your life. I'm a large big tough guy and this little can was kicking my ass. Well I guess I just hold on for the ride and with time the hard parts will pass. I hope to have a profile pic soon and starting to get the hang of posting. Sorry to everyone if I hi Jacked this thread. Thanks again.
KTM640
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
So your asking if we spit or swallowed?
Don't think you were the biggest idiot...we all are equal in how stupid we were. But we are now all equal in how smart we are.
I for one seldom swallowed dip because of the horrible hiccups I would get.
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
I also did not spit. I do have burning and take prilosec. Do not know if normal for my age or from chew. Also since quit have an increase in burning but have not gone to doctor as it is not intolerable.
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
So your asking if we spit or swallowed?
Don't think you were the biggest idiot...we all are equal in how stupid we were. But we are now all equal in how smart we are.
I for one seldom swallowed dip because of the horrible hiccups I would get.
Yep, that is what I'm asking but did after I typed it I did not have the nerve to say it straight out :D
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
So your asking if we spit or swallowed?
Don't think you were the biggest idiot...we all are equal in how stupid we were. But we are now all equal in how smart we are.
I for one seldom swallowed dip because of the horrible hiccups I would get.
Yep, that is what I'm asking but did after I typed it I did not have the nerve to say it straight out :D
KTM, when replying to posts like this do not cut and paste like you do in roll call.
Just type your message in the upper box and leave the lower box alone.
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
So your asking if we spit or swallowed?
Don't think you were the biggest idiot...we all are equal in how stupid we were. But we are now all equal in how smart we are.
I for one seldom swallowed dip because of the horrible hiccups I would get.
Yep, that is what I'm asking but did after I typed it I did not have the nerve to say it straight out :D
KTM, when replying to posts like this do not cut and paste like you do in roll call.
Just type your message in the upper box and leave the lower box alone.
MikeA,
Thanks for the heads up. I'm slowly getting the hang of how this work. Thanks again.
KTM640
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
I also did not spit. I do have burning and take prilosec. Do not know if normal for my age or from chew. Also since quit have an increase in burning but have not gone to doctor as it is not intolerable.
I had acid reflux/GERD before I quit dipping. After I quit it got MUCH worse for about 6 months or so. At this point I rarely deal with it and don't even take medication any more.
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Hows it going everyone. Going to the ENT doc today for him to check out a few things. Another quick question. the last 6-7 years I would gut my chew and not spit (I know it is stupid but just how it happened). Did anyone else do this as well? Just me being worried that I was the biggest idot ever? I don't have thing pointing to an issue assoiated with this but thought I would ask if anyone else did the same. Thanks,
Seth
I also did not spit. I do have burning and take prilosec. Do not know if normal for my age or from chew. Also since quit have an increase in burning but have not gone to doctor as it is not intolerable.
Yes thankfully I do not have anything but a sore throat off and cold symptoms here and there. I'm only 31 but I also have a number of other bad habbits like eating almost anything. I have stopped that now but still don't have the best diet. You are better at this them me because I think my worries get the best of me and half my doctors appoinments lately are so I can sleep a little better at night ;) Hang in there man and thanks for the reply.
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
This is pretty cool I will have to read more up on it.
KTM640
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
This is pretty cool I will have to read more up on it.
KTM640
sweet! let me know what you think.
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New blog post: WhatÂ’s Chewing At You?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=529 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=529)
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Hey fellow quitters,
Had a few tough days, just need to vent.
I pretty much had a panic attack yesterday, Day 21 of my quit. Heart racing, the shakes, you name it. To be quite honest, the fact that I was in such bad shape 3 weeks out scared me. I felt like I was back in week 1, which was hell. The worse part about it was that I had a great week: no anxiety, some AWESOME runs and workouts, totally nic-free. To say the least, I was frustrated. That frustration only caused me to be more anxious, and then all of my physical symptoms came back: TMJ, restlessness, worries, etc. I thought I was over the hump last week, and now I'm kind of down with all of this shit resurfacing.
On the positive side, I've seen such an improvement in my runs, swims, and bike rides -- its amazing. Can't believe I let this shit hold me back for so long.
Thanks for listening. Glad to be quit with y'all.
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Hey fellow quitters,
Had a few tough days, just need to vent.
I pretty much had a panic attack yesterday, Day 21 of my quit. Heart racing, the shakes, you name it. To be quite honest, the fact that I was in such bad shape 3 weeks out scared me. I felt like I was back in week 1, which was hell. The worse part about it was that I had a great week: no anxiety, some AWESOME runs and workouts, totally nic-free. To say the least, I was frustrated. That frustration only caused me to be more anxious, and then all of my physical symptoms came back: TMJ, restlessness, worries, etc. I thought I was over the hump last week, and now I'm kind of down with all of this shit resurfacing.
On the positive side, I've seen such an improvement in my runs, swims, and bike rides -- its amazing. Can't believe I let this shit hold me back for so long.
Thanks for listening. Glad to be quit with y'all.
Quinn11 you are not alone that is for sure. My wife says I talk to much but hope the description of what I have been dealing with make you feel a little better.
I'm on day 25 and feeling better that before. Sorry again if I'm hi-jacking this thread again. I'm mainly turning into worry wart. Over all I quit three weeks after the doctors have found a thyroid issue with me, but not uncommon thyroid issue (Just more common in woman). That said I have been to my primary care doc, neurologist, ENT doc, Endocrinologist and the dentist. I have had two EKGÂ’s, CT of chest and neck, MRI of the brain, ultrasound of thyroid (lower neck) and the new dentist test that they use the UV light to look around. As said before all that was found was thyroid was somewhat swollen, thyroid blood test was showing out of range so the docs have me on thyroid med just like my wife and all other test was no issues. What was weird is I still have the swollen throat feeling and thick tongue almost every day later in the day and my face feels numb at times and dizzy almost half the day every day. It is not painful just annoying and when you read the symptoms of nic withdrawal and oral cancer the are the same in many ways. Just I know that the list of what to expect during your quit is different for everyone but it seems like IÂ’m getting some symptoms to last longer than most. Sorry again for being a wimp I just wanted to know what others on the site had to deal with. Good thing is I still fight the desire and crave to chew but I know this quit will work because IÂ’m so freaked out. Thanks for the support and great quitting with all of you.
KTM640
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
This is pretty cool I will have to read more up on it.
KTM640
sweet! let me know what you think.
chewie
This would be great to go to (Austin is a great town I have been there for work many times). I just wish I could go but I will be in montana at this time. I know the link said that some donations are already being made but if there is anything I can help with I would be willing to donate some finace support if needed. I assume you will be albe to go? Also were do I go to get help with updated and profile picture and or avitar? I looked on the help link and looks like admin my have to give me privilages?
KTM640
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
This is pretty cool I will have to read more up on it.
KTM640
sweet! let me know what you think.
chewie
This would be great to go to (Austin is a great town I have been there for work many times). I just wish I could go but I will be in montana at this time. I know the link said that some donations are already being made but if there is anything I can help with I would be willing to donate some finace support if needed. I assume you will be albe to go? Also were do I go to get help with updated and profile picture and or avitar? I looked on the help link and looks like admin my have to give me privilages?
KTM640
KTM -
Thanks for your interest! If you'd like to donate the link can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/help/donate_summit.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/help/donate_summit.asp)
To answer your question, yes, I plan on attending (as do several others).
As for your avatar issues. Click on MY CONTROLS EDIT AVATAR SETTINGS (left hand side). This is where you can upload an avatar or point to one that's hosted elsewhere.
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New blog post: KTC The National Spit Tobacco Summit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=522)
This is pretty cool I will have to read more up on it.
KTM640
sweet! let me know what you think.
chewie
This would be great to go to (Austin is a great town I have been there for work many times). I just wish I could go but I will be in montana at this time. I know the link said that some donations are already being made but if there is anything I can help with I would be willing to donate some finace support if needed. I assume you will be albe to go? Also were do I go to get help with updated and profile picture and or avitar? I looked on the help link and looks like admin my have to give me privilages?
KTM640
KTM -
Thanks for your interest! If you'd like to donate the link can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/help/donate_summit.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/help/donate_summit.asp)
To answer your question, yes, I plan on attending (as do several others).
As for your avatar issues. Click on MY CONTROLS EDIT AVATAR SETTINGS (left hand side). This is where you can upload an avatar or point to one that's hosted elsewhere.
thanks man, I will have to donate since I'm saving so much money on no dip!!! Also anyone else have dizziness/vertigo during there quit. I have had it bad at first and even on day 27 I have it as well not as bad. Starting to think I'm goning nuts :wacko: I also think my thryroid being jacked up at the same time does not help :P
another quit day on the down hill slope.
KTM640
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Just a quick question. What's the deal with the "anonymous member" sign in? Why would someone want to do that? :unsure:
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Just a quick question. What's the deal with the "anonymous member" sign in? Why would someone want to do that? :unsure:
You're still signing in to the boards... but you don't show up at the bottom of the page under "Board Statistics" (on the main page).
Never fear though... mods/admin are watching ;)
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Thanks Chewie!
One other thing I've been wondering . . . . Does KTC have printed business cards?
I'd like to have a stack in my wallet to hand to other dippers/smokers that I run into.
Keddy (Ed)
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Keddy,
Yes there is a template somewhere for cards. I cannot find the link right now.
Chewie can probably find it. I can also send you the word doc if you PM me your E-mail address.
Either way we can get you the template for the cards. I print stacks of em and take them to my dentists office.
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Keddy,
Yes there is a template somewhere for cards. I cannot find the link right now.
Chewie can probably find it. I can also send you the word doc if you PM me your E-mail address.
Either way we can get you the template for the cards. I print stacks of em and take them to my dentists office.
Send that my way too. Email is in your Inbox (1).
'archer'
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Keddy,
 Yes there is a template somewhere for cards. I cannot find the link right now.
Chewie can probably find it. I can also send you the word doc if you PM me your E-mail address.Â
Either way we can get you the template for the cards. I print stacks of em and take them to my dentists office.
Send that my way too. Email is in your Inbox (1).
'archer'
Hey guys... template can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/help/ (http://www.killthecan.org/help/)
Let me know if it needs updating.
chewie
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Keddy,
  Yes there is a template somewhere for cards. I cannot find the link right now.
Chewie can probably find it. I can also send you the word doc if you PM me your E-mail address.Â
Either way we can get you the template for the cards. I print stacks of em and take them to my dentists office.
Send that my way too. Email is in your Inbox (1).
'archer'
Hey guys... template can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/help/ (http://www.killthecan.org/help/)
Let me know if it needs updating.
chewie
Got it. Thanks guys . . . .
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Keddy,
  Yes there is a template somewhere for cards. I cannot find the link right now.
Chewie can probably find it. I can also send you the word doc if you PM me your E-mail address.Â
Either way we can get you the template for the cards. I print stacks of em and take them to my dentists office.
Send that my way too. Email is in your Inbox (1).
'archer'
Hey guys... template can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/help/ (http://www.killthecan.org/help/)
Let me know if it needs updating.
chewie
Got it. Thanks guys . . . .
Cool, business cards is a great idea, i will definitely print some of these off and give em to my dentist and aunt who is a doctor. GET THE WORD OUT!
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Looking for Chicago quitters... any in here? I am traveling and would like to meet up for a lunch. Or just to say Hey. and help my quit be stronger... Stuck in Motel going thru the sunflower seeds, enough to make to the squirrels out here go "Daaammmnnnnnnn!"
Hitting Geneva, Rockford, Napersville, Machesney Park, Loves Park, Woodstock, areas. Be here til the 26th of FEB.
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Looking for Chicago quitters... any in here? I am traveling and would like to meet up for a lunch. Or just to say Hey. and help my quit be stronger... Stuck in Motel going thru the sunflower seeds, enough to make to the squirrels out here go "Daaammmnnnnnnn!"
Hitting Geneva, Rockford, Napersville, Machesney Park, Loves Park, Woodstock, areas. Be here til the 26th of FEB.
Hey bro... this may help:
index.php?showtopic=331 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=331)
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Looking for Chicago quitters... any in here? I am traveling and would like to meet up for a lunch. Or just to say Hey. and help my quit be stronger... Stuck in Motel going thru the sunflower seeds, enough to make to the squirrels out here go "Daaammmnnnnnnn!"
Hitting Geneva, Rockford, Napersville, Machesney Park, Loves Park, Woodstock, areas. Be here til the 26th of FEB.
Hey bro... this may help:
index.php?showtopic=331 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=331)
Thanks Chewie!
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Looking for Chicago quitters... any in here? I am traveling and would like to meet up for a lunch. Or just to say Hey. and help my quit be stronger... Stuck in Motel going thru the sunflower seeds, enough to make to the squirrels out here go "Daaammmnnnnnnn!"
Hitting Geneva, Rockford, Napersville, Machesney Park, Loves Park, Woodstock, areas. Be here til the 26th of FEB.
Hey bro... this may help:
index.php?showtopic=331 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=331)
Thanks Chewie!
Banner...on your way home stop and get me a Portillos combo Italian beef, Italian sausage sandwich.
I will make my wife show you her tits if you bring me one!!
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
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Looking for Chicago quitters... any in here? I am traveling and would like to meet up for a lunch. Or just to say Hey. and help my quit be stronger... Stuck in Motel going thru the sunflower seeds, enough to make to the squirrels out here go "Daaammmnnnnnnn!"
Hitting Geneva, Rockford, Napersville, Machesney Park, Loves Park, Woodstock, areas. Be here til the 26th of FEB.
Hey bro... this may help:
index.php?showtopic=331 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=331)
Thanks Chewie!
Banner...on your way home stop and get me a Portillos combo Italian beef, Italian sausage sandwich.
I will make my wife show you her tits if you bring me one!!
'drool' Need Directions! 'drool'
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
Thanks for all the advice. I will consider all of it, except the giving head part.
Gotta tell ya. the seeds, gum, and this forum is helping. 2 days ago, a week ago or a year ago, I could not imagine cold turkey. I am doing ok so far. But I dont think the first 3 is the toughest for me....its everything after. Doin good tho....heading into day 3 now.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
Thanks for all the advice. I will consider all of it, except the giving head part.
Gotta tell ya. the seeds, gum, and this forum is helping. 2 days ago, a week ago or a year ago, I could not imagine cold turkey. I am doing ok so far. But I dont think the first 3 is the toughest for me....its everything after. Doin good tho....heading into day 3 now.
Give your word and then keep it.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
Thanks for all the advice. I will consider all of it, except the giving head part.
Gotta tell ya. the seeds, gum, and this forum is helping. 2 days ago, a week ago or a year ago, I could not imagine cold turkey. I am doing ok so far. But I dont think the first 3 is the toughest for me....its everything after. Doin good tho....heading into day 3 now.
Give your word and then keep it.
benpo: This is the first day in a long time I will not chew. Im starting over
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
Thanks for all the advice. I will consider all of it, except the giving head part.
Gotta tell ya. the seeds, gum, and this forum is helping. 2 days ago, a week ago or a year ago, I could not imagine cold turkey. I am doing ok so far. But I dont think the first 3 is the toughest for me....its everything after. Doin good tho....heading into day 3 now.
Give your word and then keep it.
benpo: This is the first day in a long time I will not chew. Im starting over
Aight, I'm doin good...but, I am thinking about it, on here or some other site with info, every waking moment. guess I did not realize how obsest I was about the shit. now I'm just as obsest with quitting and staying quit. Thanks for the support. and Congrats to all for quitting nic everyday and for the long stretches of time you have been able to endure.
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I quit for 6 months last year. I was a mess, popping nic losenges like candy. One day I just picked it up again. It wasn't a.complete failure. I have never gone that long without some type of tobacco.
I just flushed my last can down the toilet. I know I'm going to need help, so Its the drugstore in the morning. Gotta quit. Been using tobacco since I was 17, 8 yrs smoking, 4 yrs dipping. Both disgusting, unattractive, and unhealthy. My only concern right now is, does it ever go away(the urge to dip) I was doing so good, especially the last 2 months, no nicotine losenges and minimal cravings. I think what broke me was training in a class full of guys dipping snuff, for 3months ( I caved after about 2 weeks )Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to the site.
You will be in the May 2011 Quit Group. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Lear How to Post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
However, before you do...Learn WHY we post Roll Call here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Notice we require no-nic for Roll Call....so trash any lozenges you have too. They are a bad idea and will send you to the back of the line with a Day 1 post.
Congratulations and again....welcome.
See you in May 11 Quit Group.
You know you're going to need help - and that's why you searched out this community. And that's why you're not going to use any sort of nicotine replacement therapy. Look where it got you last try.
We don't try here. We do.
Trust me, commit yourself fully to your quit each and every day, and you'll be free of this. You'll find all the help you need right here.
This is j-dub (formally 7083),
thanks. no nic for me. just going one day at a time. I think I had this false idea that the urge or cravings just go away one day. it sucks to think that it will be with me for a long long time. but I am starting to sac up and deal with it.
Cravings will diminish with time. Lots of time.
Using lozenges, or patches, is just another nicotine delivery method, and you know that.
There are things you CAN do to make the cravings less. Drink tons of water. Work out. Eat sunflower seeds. Beef Jerky. Smokey Mountain. Hooch. Oregon mints. Life Savers. Beat off. Get a BJ. GIVE a BJ. Go for a walk.
Those are just a few. Main thing is, you posted your promise today, so you need to keep it.
If you need a phone number, send me a PM.
Thanks for all the advice. I will consider all of it, except the giving head part.
Gotta tell ya. the seeds, gum, and this forum is helping. 2 days ago, a week ago or a year ago, I could not imagine cold turkey. I am doing ok so far. But I dont think the first 3 is the toughest for me....its everything after. Doin good tho....heading into day 3 now.
Give your word and then keep it.
benpo: This is the first day in a long time I will not chew. Im starting over
Aight, I'm doin good...but, I am thinking about it, on here or some other site with info, every waking moment. guess I did not realize how obsest I was about the shit. now I'm just as obsest with quitting and staying quit. Thanks for the support. and Congrats to all for quitting nic everyday and for the long stretches of time you have been able to endure.
benpo: it was definitely a hard day but it was a successful one none the less. Day 1 under my belt looking forward to day 2
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What a week,
I have been doing this quit with out any Anxiety meds. Well I hit the wall and going to get soem Anxiety meds from my doctor this week I hope. This Anxiety sucks it is making me feel like crap when I don't. Thanks for letting me vent we. Day 53 and still quit.
KTM640
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What a week,
I have been doing this quit with out any Anxiety meds. Well I hit the wall and going to get soem Anxiety meds from my doctor this week I hope. This Anxiety sucks it is making me feel like crap when I don't. Thanks for letting me vent we. Day 53 and still quit.
KTM640
Hang in there dude... I had SEVERE anxiety when I quit. Took myself to the ER twice cause I thought I was having a heart attack. It's a symptom... and like the rest of them it WILL go away.
Congrats on half a hall... you're DOING IT!
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What a week,
I have been doing this quit with out any Anxiety meds. Well I hit the wall and going to get soem Anxiety meds from my doctor this week I hope. This Anxiety sucks it is making me feel like crap when I don't. Thanks for letting me vent we. Day 53 and still quit.
KTM640
Hang in there dude... I had SEVERE anxiety when I quit. Took myself to the ER twice cause I thought I was having a heart attack. It's a symptom... and like the rest of them it WILL go away.
Congrats on half a hall... you're DOING IT!
I will second what Chewie is saying. My anxiety was CRAZY for awhile. 200 or so days I would guess.
One thing I found that helps a lot is to work out. Get your heart rate up for 30 mins a day. It helps with craves, helped my anxiety and also helped me sleep better.
Hang in there.. it really does get better !!! Better than you can imagine right now.
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What a week,
I have been doing this quit with out any Anxiety meds. Well I hit the wall and going to get soem Anxiety meds from my doctor this week I hope. This Anxiety sucks it is making me feel like crap when I don't. Thanks for letting me vent we. Day 53 and still quit.
KTM640
Hang in there dude... I had SEVERE anxiety when I quit. Took myself to the ER twice cause I thought I was having a heart attack. It's a symptom... and like the rest of them it WILL go away.
Congrats on half a hall... you're DOING IT!
I will second what Chewie is saying. My anxiety was CRAZY for awhile. 200 or so days I would guess.
One thing I found that helps a lot is to work out. Get your heart rate up for 30 mins a day. It helps with craves, helped my anxiety and also helped me sleep better.
Hang in there.. it really does get better !!! Better than you can imagine right now.
Thanks, guys
I should be on the anxiety meds by the EOD 'bang head' I wanted so bad to do this without any anxiety meds. I hate this part but I know I will not touch the Nic so I don't have to feel this hell all over again. Thanks again,
KTM640
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Quit vs. Quitting
They look the same. Quit or Quitting? Is there a difference? IÂ’m sure itÂ’s been discussed before by people far smarter than I, but since the June 2011 group started, IÂ’ve been thinking a lot about these two words and their differences. New quitters might not recognize it, but the guys that have a couple zeroes after their Days might know just what IÂ’m talking about.
You’ll see a lot of roll call posts, “I’m quitting today.” Or, “I’m quitting with you”. Usually you see these up top in the Quitters section. Down below, you might see, “Quit.” Or, “I’m quit with June.” Is there a difference? Maybe not, but I think there is.
‘Quitting’ is an act. It’s a verb. It’s something you have to consciously do. It takes effort, and is an on-going thing. ‘Quit’ is a state of mind. I am quit today. There is NO way possible that I will cave…today.
I think that all successful quitters make that transition from Quitting to Quit. Does it happen at 100 days? Not necessarily. I think it can happen before that, sometimes after that, or unfortunately for some, not at all. Everyone is different. You have your ‘Quit date’, but your ‘Quit Mindset’ may come much, much later. Look at a new group and how much the new guys are struggling. Think of all the triggers they will have to walk through. Look at a long time quitter that has come back to post a Day 1. They either lost their Quit Mindset, or never truly had it.
I understand this is a lifetime battle. I know there is no finish line. I am not saying I am better than any other addict here, or that I have more will power, or anyone else is weak. All I’m saying is, today – I KNOW I cannot cave, because I am QUIT.
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Quit vs. Quitting
They look the same. Quit or Quitting? Is there a difference? IÂ’m sure itÂ’s been discussed before by people far smarter than I, but since the June 2011 group started, IÂ’ve been thinking a lot about these two words and their differences. New quitters might not recognize it, but the guys that have a couple zeroes after their Days might know just what IÂ’m talking about.
You’ll see a lot of roll call posts, “I’m quitting today.” Or, “I’m quitting with you”. Usually you see these up top in the Quitters section. Down below, you might see, “Quit.” Or, “I’m quit with June.” Is there a difference? Maybe not, but I think there is.
‘Quitting’ is an act. It’s a verb. It’s something you have to consciously do. It takes effort, and is an on-going thing. ‘Quit’ is a state of mind. I am quit today. There is NO way possible that I will cave…today.
I think that all successful quitters make that transition from Quitting to Quit. Does it happen at 100 days? Not necessarily. I think it can happen before that, sometimes after that, or unfortunately for some, not at all. Everyone is different. You have your ‘Quit date’, but your ‘Quit Mindset’ may come much, much later. Look at a new group and how much the new guys are struggling. Think of all the triggers they will have to walk through. Look at a long time quitter that has come back to post a Day 1. They either lost their Quit Mindset, or never truly had it.
I understand this is a lifetime battle. I know there is no finish line. I am not saying I am better than any other addict here, or that I have more will power, or anyone else is weak. All I’m saying is, today – I KNOW I cannot cave, because I am QUIT.
I would agree on how ever the you put it with anyone's quit. It is a state of mind and if you do not have the correct state of mind your chances of success are much lower.
The other question I have for everyone out there is what time of anxiety meds people have been on. I just got put on Welbutran? All the research I do is it is for depression. Isn't depression different from anxiety? I would agree that I have anxiety (IE panic attacks and you name it) for the last month and ongoing. I don't think I'm depressed so why did the doc give me welbutran?
KTM640.
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Quit vs. Quitting
They look the same. Quit or Quitting? Is there a difference? I’m sure it’s been discussed before by people far smarter than I, but since the June 2011 group started, I’ve been thinking a lot about these two words and their differences. New quitters might not recognize it, but the guys that have a couple zeroes after their Days might know just what I’m talking about.
You’ll see a lot of roll call posts, “I’m quitting today.” Or, “I’m quitting with you”. Usually you see these up top in the Quitters section. Down below, you might see, “Quit.” Or, “I’m quit with June.” Is there a difference? Maybe not, but I think there is.
‘QuittingÂ’ is an act. ItÂ’s a verb. ItÂ’s something you have to consciously do. It takes effort, and is an on-going thing. ‘QuitÂ’ is a state of mind. I am quit today. There is NO way possible that I will caveÂ…today.Â
I think that all successful quitters make that transition from Quitting to Quit. Does it happen at 100 days? Not necessarily. I think it can happen before that, sometimes after that, or unfortunately for some, not at all. Everyone is different. You have your ‘Quit date’, but your ‘Quit Mindset’ may come much, much later. Look at a new group and how much the new guys are struggling. Think of all the triggers they will have to walk through. Look at a long time quitter that has come back to post a Day 1. They either lost their Quit Mindset, or never truly had it.
I understand this is a lifetime battle. I know there is no finish line. I am not saying I am better than any other addict here, or that I have more will power, or anyone else is weak. All I’m saying is, today – I KNOW I cannot cave, because I am QUIT.
I would agree on how ever the you put it with anyone's quit. It is a state of mind and if you do not have the correct state of mind your chances of success are much lower.
The other question I have for everyone out there is what time of anxiety meds people have been on. I just got put on Welbutran? All the research I do is it is for depression. Isn't depression different from anxiety? I would agree that I have anxiety (IE panic attacks and you name it) for the last month and ongoing. I don't think I'm depressed so why did the doc give me welbutran?
KTM640.
Shit fire - just when I thought I had this figured out, NOLAQ pops a thought provoker. I have felt for the longest time that the day I stopped dipping, I Quit. Every day I don't dip I quit, but the process of dealing with the craves and the needs and what ever else is "quitting" for me. I have Quit dipping, because I don't do that any more - but I will always be quitting everyday as well, fighting off the craves (however major or minor) as an action, a verb if you will.
Thanks NOLAQ - in many ways, considering the difference between the two, solidifies my Quit even more, and will help me continue quitting.
And sorry KTM, I have no information on the drugs scene, I have not needed the stuff as of yet, but who knows what curve ball this quitting shall do to me later. Cherry season has yet to come.
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Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?
KTM640
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I just read an article on heroin and fentanyl addiction. This is a quote from one of the addicts:
"This is my absolute overall perspective on that stuff—it's absolutely amazing, it will ruin your life, it will steal all your money, and you will still love it more than anything."
It may take some time, but sooner or later - we quitters/addicts realize that is who we were. Time to keep moving on and away from nicotine.
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Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?
KTM640
I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.
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Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?Â
KTM640
I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.
Thanks for the reply just wondering if anyone else was working the same issue at this time. I think the hotflashes are part of the anxiety. My anxiety has been so bad that I'm going to try and ride out the symptoms of the meds since the doc says thay will get better in about a month. Any others out there working the hotflashes with or without anxiety meds? Stay quit
KTM640
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Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?Â
KTM640
I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.
Defeated the screaming poops with a daily dose of steel cut oats oatmeal and a dannon activia yogurt. Keeps me right as the rain.
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I just read an article on heroin and fentanyl addiction. This is a quote from one of the addicts:
"This is my absolute overall perspective on that stuff—it's absolutely amazing, it will ruin your life, it will steal all your money, and you will still love it more than anything."
It may take some time, but sooner or later - we quitters/addicts realize that is who we were. Time to keep moving on and away from nicotine.
To me, we are addicts and addicts never get too far from their addiction, usually just one step. So, I take that step first thing every morning here in roll call, make it through the day, then repeat.... every day.
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I just read an article on heroin and fentanyl addiction. This is a quote from one of the addicts:Â
"This is my absolute overall perspective on that stuff—it's absolutely amazing, it will ruin your life, it will steal all your money, and you will still love it more than anything."
It may take some time, but sooner or later - we quitters/addicts realize that is who we were. Time to keep moving on and away from nicotine.
To me, we are addicts and addicts never get too far from their addiction, usually just one step. So, I take that step first thing every morning here in roll call, make it through the day, then repeat.... every day.
I would agree as an addict for the Nic I crave it all the time still (That may just me but I don't think so) and I'm on day 61 some days more that others. I have friends that do it, family and just like many of us grew up with it so it is a day to day fight.
KTM640
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I have been on Lexapro since day 1 of my quit(three weeks today). I had the same problems. I had the burning in my chest as well. Scared the shit out of me. Felt great last week, normal for a change. However, I started having the symptoms again yesterday and today. Not sure what to think about it. Thought my body would be used to it by now.
Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?Â
KTM640
I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.
Thanks for the reply just wondering if anyone else was working the same issue at this time. I think the hotflashes are part of the anxiety. My anxiety has been so bad that I'm going to try and ride out the symptoms of the meds since the doc says thay will get better in about a month. Any others out there working the hotflashes with or without anxiety meds? Stay quit
KTM640
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I have been on Lexapro since day 1 of my quit(three weeks today). I had the same problems. I had the burning in my chest as well. Scared the shit out of me. Felt great last week, normal for a change. However, I started having the symptoms again yesterday and today. Not sure what to think about it. Thought my body would be used to it by now.
Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro. I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med. That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face?Â
KTM640
I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.
Thanks for the reply just wondering if anyone else was working the same issue at this time. I think the hotflashes are part of the anxiety. My anxiety has been so bad that I'm going to try and ride out the symptoms of the meds since the doc says thay will get better in about a month. Any others out there working the hotflashes with or without anxiety meds? Stay quit
KTM640
Sorry. I posted that wrong. Top quote is mine.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
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So I joined this site a while ago, hoping that it would maybe give me the motivation t quit. I read the HOF speeches and I surfed around here for a while before I just said, fuck it, and never came back.
But today, I woke up, took the tin of Grizzly pouches sitting on my desk, and tossed them in the toilet. In angst, and a lot of anger, I pissed on the sorry bastards and flushed them, sending a thick loogie their way as well. I logged in a few minutes ago and posted roll. (Yeah, I know it's 2:30 in the afternoon, but I didn't have classes today, shoot me) Today is going to be the start of something big, I can feel it.
Why have I decided finally to just get this done with? Because I'm scared, that's why. Because for a few weeks now, I've been feeling shitty. I've been getting a lot of sores in my mouth and that worries me. I have this feeling like there's a lump in my throat and after I researched it online, it could be something like a tonsil stone or having to do with my acid reflux, but I don't buy any of that shit. I think it's something from dipping and I'm scared shitless. Maybe it's cancer, maybe that'll teach me a lesson to give up stupid habits.
All I've heard from this shit has been raves about how good the support is. I haven't heard from anyone, but I just want to say thank you in advance, for I feel as though I'll need it soon enough.
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So I joined this site a while ago, hoping that it would maybe give me the motivation t quit. I read the HOF speeches and I surfed around here for a while before I just said, fuck it, and never came back.
But today, I woke up, took the tin of Grizzly pouches sitting on my desk, and tossed them in the toilet. In angst, and a lot of anger, I pissed on the sorry bastards and flushed them, sending a thick loogie their way as well. I logged in a few minutes ago and posted roll. (Yeah, I know it's 2:30 in the afternoon, but I didn't have classes today, shoot me) Today is going to be the start of something big, I can feel it.
Why have I decided finally to just get this done with? Because I'm scared, that's why. Because for a few weeks now, I've been feeling shitty. I've been getting a lot of sores in my mouth and that worries me. I have this feeling like there's a lump in my throat and after I researched it online, it could be something like a tonsil stone or having to do with my acid reflux, but I don't buy any of that shit. I think it's something from dipping and I'm scared shitless. Maybe it's cancer, maybe that'll teach me a lesson to give up stupid habits.
All I've heard from this shit has been raves about how good the support is. I haven't heard from anyone, but I just want to say thank you in advance, for I feel as though I'll need it soon enough.
Your post goes up 30 minutes ago and you're whining that we're not tripping over ourselves to hold your hand?
Really?
Check your Inbox (1). Upper right corner.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
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R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
I assume they went with "You can mope, or you can Snus" because "You can mope, or you can fucking kill yourself" didn't quite give the impression they were looking for.
More accurate though, in my opinion.
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In reference to the facebook / Spit out blog post I wanted to point out a couple things that I saw with these knuckleheads.
These are typical arguments from dudes that have their mind set on something and they think that just because there is "research" that is must be true.
For those that care about this shit, I looked on pubmed and did a cursory search for snus AND cancer, boom a bunch of crap comes up.
Keep in mind when looking at research related to topics like tobacco and pharmaceuticals it is REALLY import to look at who is writing the paper. Most of the time there are clear conflicts.
example: This Paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163315) says how great and cancer free the shit is. BUT the author is this guy (http://www.pnlee.co.uk/staff.htm). oops, Mr. Lee works for the Tobacco Research Council as well as various pharmaceutical companies.
Next on the list was This Gem (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19535408). But oooooopppps the lead author is funded by UST via Univ of Alabama at Birmingham.
So right off the bat I pull two articles about the topic and both have conflicts of interest.... The "research" that these butt plugs are referring to are funded by tobacco companies.
Essentially these tobacco companies bring out a new product and compete with themselves. It's a very smart business strategy, but it sucks for us when they are selling death.
carry on.
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Just out of curiosity, what happened to Aquaman43 and SOS? Both are retired admins that disappeared some time ago
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I assume they went with "You can mope, or you can Snus" because "You can mope, or you can fucking kill yourself" didn't quite give the impression they were looking for.
More accurate though, in my opinion.
Beautiful !! Well said.
It still amazes me that a product this deadly can be sold.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.
You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??
'bang head'
Sigh.
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.
You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??
'bang head'
Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.
Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
'Finger'
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.
You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??
'bang head'
Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.
Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.
Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.
You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??
'bang head'
Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.
Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.
Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:
Thanks for the info
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc-facebook-and-the-great-american-spit-out/)
Holy smokes!
Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.
Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.
I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:
A: From Wikipedia,
Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.
Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.
Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.
* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.
B: From USA Today:
"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.
R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."
*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.
Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.
Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.
You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??
'bang head'
Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.
Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.
Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:
Thanks for the info
sorry to jump on your post, thanks for the info
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I got some bacc-off cans I order last week today. Tastes alright, packs like sand, spits like normal dip, and is messy like a motherfucker. Incredibly foggy still, even with double trips to the gym, work, school, and a lot of water.
Hope everyone else is hanging in there.
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If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
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If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
Here are some Smokeless Alternative reviews if you're interested: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp)
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If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
Probably, but wasting money on this shit is like wasting money on regular dip. I've already tossed $40 down to tubes for that Bacc-off shit and now Hooch is crap too.
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Today’s lesson is in Leadership. Leadership is often used as a noun: “Our Leadership Team is…” I look at Leadership as more of a way of life. Below are 12 Leadership Traits that I feel are important for anyone in any and all leadership roles in their lives.
Which ones do you feel are most important? Which ones have you seen on display today? Which ones are you going to ensure you adopt and use in your life today and tomorrow?
BEARING
Definition. Creating a favorable impression in carriage, appearance, and personal conduct at all times.
Significance. The ability to look, act, and speak like a leader whether or not these manifestations indicate one's true feelings. Some signs of these traits are clear and plain speech, an erect gait, and impeccable personal appearance.
Example: Keeping your head, keeping your word and keeping your temper.
COURAGE
Definition. Courage is a mental quality that recognizes fear of danger or criticism, but enables a person to pro-ceed in the face of it with calmness and firmness.
Significance. Knowing and standing for what is right, even in the face of popular disfavor, is often the leader's lot.
Example. Accepting criticism for making subordinates work for an extra hour to get the job done correctly.
DECISIVENESS
Definition. Ability to make decisions promptly and to announce them in a clear, forceful manner.
Significance. The quality of character which guides a person to accumulate all available facts in a circumstance, weigh the facts, choose and announce an alternative which seems best. It is often better that a decision be made promptly than a potentially better one be made at the expense of more time.
Example. A leader who sees a potentially dangerous situation developing, immediately takes action to prevent injury from occurring.
DEPENDABILITY
Definition. The certainty of proper performance of duty, every day.
Significance. The quality which permits a senior to assign a task to a junior with the understanding that it will be accomplished with minimum supervision. This understanding includes the assumption that the initiative will be taken on small matters not covered by instructions.
Example. The leader is one who will continue to get the job done, every single day. Rain or shine, sick or tired, day in, and day out.
ENDURANCE
Definition. The mental and physical stamina measured by the ability to withstand pain, fatigue, stress, and hardship
Significance. The quality of withstanding pain during you daily life in order to improve stamina is crucial in the development of leadership. Leaders are responsible for leading their units in all kids of environments and for motivating them as well.
Example. A leader keeps up with his work load even though he has a new-born child at home and is getting very little sleep. A leader will work longer hours than most to ensure the daily operations are running smoothly so employees can work efficiently, and safely.
ENTHUSIASM
Definition. The display of sincere interest and exuberance in the performance of duty
Significance. Displaying interest in a task, and an optimism that it can be successfully completed, greatly en-hances the likelihood that the task will be successfully completed.
Example. A leader will lend a hand on a task that is otherwise unpopular. A leader will show true enthusiasm in the face of others thereby spreading a more positive attitude throughout the workforce.
INITIATIVE
Definition. Taking action in the absence of orders.
Significance. Leaders will often be left with little supervision. A true leader will be able to identify tasks and situations that need attention, and will complete said tasks without having to be told to do so.
Example. In the unexplained absence of a supervisor, the leader takes charge of the work force and carries out the daily schedule.
INTEGRITY
Definition. Uprightness of character and soundness of moral principles. The quality of truthfulness and honesty.
Significance. A man's word is his bond. Nothing less than complete honesty in all of your dealings with subordinates, peers, and superiors is acceptable.
Example. A leader who gives credit to subordinates that have completed tasks, or shown initiative in saving time on a task, or improving procedures rather than taking credit He can be counted upon to always respond truthfully and honestly.
JUDGMENT
Definition. The ability to weigh facts and possible courses of action in order to make sound decisions.
Significance. Sound judgment allows a leader to make appropriate decisions in the guidance and training of his works or peers. A Leader who exercises good judgment weighs pros and cons accordingly to arrive at an appropriate decision/take proper action.
Example. A leader properly apportions time off for his staff so as to optimally ensure the tasks are completed, and crucial positions are covered.
JUSTICE
Definition. Giving reward and punishment according to the merits of the case in question. The ability to administer a system of rewards and punishments impartially and consistently.
Significance. The quality of displaying fairness and impartiality is critical in order to gain the trust and respect of subordinates and maintain discipline and unit cohesion, particularly in the exercise of responsibility as a leader.
Example. Fair apportionment of tasks by a manager during unpopular tasks.
KNOWLEDGE
Definition. Understanding of a science or an art. The range of one's information, including professional knowledge and an understanding of your staff.
Significance. The gaining and retention of current developments in your field or expertise is important for your growth and development.
Example. The leader who not only knows how to do their own job, but knows how to perform tasks of his other workers or subordinates.
LOYALTY
Definition. The quality of faithfulness to one's seniors, subordinates, and peers.
Significance. You should show unswerving loyalty up and down the chain of command: to seniors, subordi-nates, and peers.
Example. No matter if you agree with the policy, or procedure sent down from above, you carry out the task as required. This shows your subordinates your loyalty to your administrators. When discussing a grievance from your subordinates, you carry that complaint to your higher eschelon.
TACT
Definition. The ability to deal with others without creating hostility.
Significance. The quality of consistently treating peers, seniors, and subordinates with respect and courtesy is a sign of maturity. Tact allows commands, guidance, and opinions to be expressed in a constructive and beneficial manner. This deference must be extended under all conditions regardless of true feelings.
Example. A leader discreetly points out a mistake in a procedure to a co-worker by waiting until after the task has been complete and privately discussing the correction
UNSELFISHNESS
Definition. Avoidance of providing for one's own comfort and personal advancement at the expense of others.
Significance. The quality of looking out for the needs of your subordinates before your own is the essence of leadership. This quality is not to be confused with putting these matters ahead of the accomplishment of the mission.
Example: An leader ensures that his subordinates have their vacation scheduled before his. He ensures his employees are properly paid, and takes care of grievances before his own.
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It's a fine day to quit.
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It's a fine day to quit.
spammers taken care of...
Kinda ;)
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It's a fine day to quit.
spammers taken care of...
Kinda ;)
XOrAcLeX, You should probably stop it.
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It's a fine day to quit.
spammers taken care of...
Kinda ;)
XOrAcLeX, You should probably stop it.
Ready Rocks!!! :)
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I have read that there is a quit tracker. money saved tracker!! where is it located?
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I have read that there is a quit tracker. money saved tracker!! where is it located?
Never mind, found it
I have read that there is a quit tracker. money saved tracker!! where is it located?
Never mind, found it
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It's a fine day to quit.
spammers taken care of...
Kinda ;)
XOrAcLeX, You should probably stop it.
Ready Rocks!!! :)
Huh? :unsure:
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*edited spam by LOOT*
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What are your guys' thoughts on the nicotine/tobacco free alternatives out there? I was thinking about grabbing a couple for use in emergencies but it seems like that would still be re-enforcing that behavior of turning to a can and a lip for 'comfort'. Although, I suppose it's better than caving if you were about to lose your shit and needed to pack a lip.
I imagine this has been asked before but I don't know where to find it.
'bang head'
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If there is not nicotine, go for it. You will find that if there is no nicotine in it, you will bore with it over time. What ever it takes.
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
It's just you... I haven't made any changes.
What browser are you using?
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
It's just you... I haven't made any changes.
What browser are you using?
Mozilla. Every other page is normal. :unsure:
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
It's just you... I haven't made any changes.
What browser are you using?
Mozilla. Every other page is normal. :unsure:
VIEW ZOOM RESET
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
'Crazy'
'Have a beer'
'shots'
I m thinking maybe one of these could be causing it?
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
It's just you... I haven't made any changes.
What browser are you using?
Mozilla. Every other page is normal. :unsure:
VIEW ZOOM RESET
That worked, thanks.
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New blog post: KTC Goes To Austin For The National Summit
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/ktc- ... al-summit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/ktc-goes-to-austin-for-the-national-summit/)
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New blog post: Picking Up Steam And Hitting HUGE Milestones
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/pick ... ilestones/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/picking-up-steam-and-hitting-huge-milestones/)
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Am I crazy or has the font size been going screwy on the site? At one point a couple days ago it seemed real small. Today it looks like it's set to be viewed at the senior center.
WTF?
Is it just me?
Just you as far as I can tell. seems fine to me.
It's just you... I haven't made any changes.
What browser are you using?
Mozilla. Every other page is normal. :unsure:
VIEW ZOOM RESET
That worked, thanks.
its what happens when u hit the 4th floor, need new quit glasses :)
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Doesn't August '11 open up for some new quit today????
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'ello everyone!
I've missed you all! I finally have internet back. It's hard to believe I'm at 1,573 days quit.
(hugs)
mls
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'ello everyone!
I've missed you all! I finally have internet back. It's hard to believe I'm at 1,573 days quit.
(hugs)
mls
Congrats MLS!!!
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'ello everyone!
I've missed you all! I finally have internet back. It's hard to believe I'm at 1,573 days quit.
(hugs)
mls
Congrats MLS!!!
Good to see you MLS - don't be a stranger~!
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Dont know if I'm in the right room, I need help putting down the dip!
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Dont know if I'm in the right room, I need help putting down the dip!
Head in to chat http://chat.killthecan.org/ (http://chat.killthecan.org/)
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Monday is my quit day. I'm freaked out an nervous! I will get on pc sometime and figure this board out. It's a bit jacked on my phone. I will add a avatar then to. Nice to meet y'all! I'm a chain snuser not a dipper. Failed a few months ago. Time for a new start!
Matthew
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Monday is my quit day. I'm freaked out an nervous! I will get on pc sometime and figure this board out. It's a bit jacked on my phone. I will add a avatar then to. Nice to meet y'all! I'm a chain snuser not a dipper. Failed a few months ago. Time for a new start!
Matthew
Monday is your quit day....The only time you have to live life is now! Being nervous until Monday will not help you in your journey of quit. I understand being nervous, but you can do this. Make the decision now. Close the door on nicotine. Flush it all down the toilet. Post roll in the August quit group. This is your promise not to user nicotine to everyone here for just today. Tomorrow do the same thing. Monday is too far away for you and I to think about.
Snus, dip, cigarettes, patch, nic gum....all are merely delivery systems of the drug we are addicted to -nicotine. Flush it and join us. We'll quit together, you and I. It will be worth it. I promise.
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Monday is my quit day. I'm freaked out an nervous! I will get on pc sometime and figure this board out. It's a bit jacked on my phone. I will add a avatar then to. Nice to meet y'all! I'm a chain snuser not a dipper. Failed a few months ago. Time for a new start!
Matthew
Snus, is just another way to dip. Thank you. Marketing department of philip mores. I am only 7 days clean, so I am no expert. But addiction is addiction.
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Monday is my quit day. I'm freaked out an nervous! I will get on pc sometime and figure this board out. It's a bit jacked on my phone. I will add a avatar then to. Nice to meet y'all! I'm a chain snuser not a dipper. Failed a few months ago. Time for a new start!
Matthew
Snus, is just another way to dip. Thank you. Marketing department of philip mores. I am only 7 days clean, so I am no expert. But addiction is addiction.
For a newbie grumpy is pretty damn wise. The delivery method is irrelevant. We are addicted to nicotine. End of story. Welcome Matthew. Do not delay getting back here.
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Thanks everyone :) I'm hooked on Swedish Snus. I'm laying in supplies this weekend and prepping my brain for Monday. I will be here a lot! Just deleted my acct. On the snus site and will be on here for support and friends. My partner is very happy I'm trying to quit. Scratch that. GOING to quit not try!
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Thanks everyone :) I'm hooked on Swedish Snus. I'm laying in supplies this weekend and prepping my brain for Monday. I will be here a lot! Just deleted my acct. On the snus site and will be on here for support and friends. My partner is very happy I'm trying to quit. Scratch that. GOING to quit not try!
Jehote, I understand trying to get your mind around quitting but why wait til Monday? Come in here tomorrow morning and post your promise. What do you have to lose other than a nasty addiction?
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Thanks everyone :) I'm hooked on Swedish Snus. I'm laying in supplies this weekend and prepping my brain for Monday. I will be here a lot! Just deleted my acct. On the snus site and will be on here for support and friends. My partner is very happy I'm trying to quit. Scratch that. GOING to quit not try!
Jehote, I understand trying to get your mind around quitting but why wait til Monday? Come in here tomorrow morning and post your promise. What do you have to lose other than a nasty addiction?
i will look for you jehote, you better be ready!
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I'm ready! The reason I didn't do it today is I had a 4 hour drive with the mother in law. Pretty stressful. Knew I would be under stress. Being realistic about it...
Matthew
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I'm ready! The reason I didn't do it today is I had a 4 hour drive with the mother in law. Pretty stressful. Knew I would be under stress. Being realistic about it...
Matthew
Matthew. I am glad you are ready. As soon as you have decided that you are (present tense) quit, you should go ahead and post day 1 in the August quit group.
I do have to tell you, there are some things in your thinking that you are going to have to address in order to stay quit...The one that jumps out at me from this post is your association of dip and stress relief. You are going to have stress during your quit. At first a lot of the stress is going to be from withdrawal from nicotine. As others have stated before: The only thing nicotine is good for is temporarily relieving the symptoms of the withdrawal of nicotine. You have got to stop thinking of snus/nicotine as a means of dealing with stress. There are many ways to effectively deal with stress, nicotine is not one of them. Brisk exercise, for example is much better at relieving stress. Go for a walk, jog, bike ride, hike, join a gym, whatever.
You have to make the decision that you are quit no matter what problems/stresses life throws at you. Nicotine doesn't solve problems, anyway. It creates them.
I hope to see your day 1 post soon.
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Your post has been moderated. If you would like more information, please feel free to PM me.
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Nah, no questions really. Just really can't wait for NJ. It's one of my favorite snus's around. Got one in right now. Kind of addictive you know? Think I should consider quitting?
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Nah, no questions really. Just really can't wait for NJ. It's one of my favorite snus's around. Got one in right now. Kind of addictive you know? Think I should consider quitting?
Really? Your asking that of me? A moderator on a quit site. Me thinks you are jerking me around.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt right now, against my better judgment.
So, I'll bite. What are you doing here?
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Well, I'm not going to lie. I really really like snus. I'm sure I'm not the only snus addict here. It costs money and it's a bad habit. Can't help myself. But no, I'm serious. Should I make the leap, and quit?
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Well, I'm not going to lie. I really really like snus. I'm sure I'm not the only snus addict here. It costs money and it's a bad habit. Can't help myself. But no, I'm serious. Should I make the leap, and quit?
Yep, you should really really quit. Nicotine is nicotine. If you want to be free of your addiction to it, this is the place.
Check your (Inbox 3) upper right corner of your screen. The third one is filled with links. That should answer most of your questions and get you started in the right direction.
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Nah, no questions really. Just really can't wait for NJ. It's one of my favorite snus's around. Got one in right now. Kind of addictive you know? Think I should consider quitting?
We do not promote products containing nicotine on this board.....this board is for folks who have quit or are in the process of quitting....not for boasting or promoting your personal addiction or product preference.
Spit it out, quit, or kindly move along and respect our purpose.
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KTC will be in Austin, Texas next to participate in the National Smokeless Summit. Hope to see some folks there!
KTC Goes To Austin For The National Summit
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/ktc- ... al-summit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/04/ktc-goes-to-austin-for-the-national-summit/)
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
not to my knowledge...
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
not to my knowledge...
there a currently 11 people in there. still having issues?
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
not to my knowledge...
there a currently 11 people in there. still having issues?
yes, it must be something on my end
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
not to my knowledge...
there a currently 11 people in there. still having issues?
yes, it must be something on my end
i can get on all areas except chat?
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Is Chat Down?
Have not been able to get on since this afternoon?
not to my knowledge...
there a currently 11 people in there. still having issues?
yes, it must be something on my end
i can get on all areas except chat?
hmm... not sure
what error are you getting?
what browser are you using?
I'd suggest clearing cache, restarting your browser and making sure you've got the latest version of flash (which is what the chat uses)
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New blog post: The KTC Smokeless Summit Agenda
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/the- ... it-agenda/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/the-killthecan-org-smokeless-summit-agenda/)
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Why does KTC work?
It has been said over, and over again. Often times by guys far smarter and far more articulate than I; however, when I was thinking about the National Spit Tobacco Summit, and the involvement of KTC, I started wondering, “Why does KTC work?”
If you donÂ’t know, KTC is a strict no nicotine site. We believe and subscribe to the cold turkey method. We donÂ’t believe in NRTÂ’s. Some of us (myself included) have tried and used Chantix, or Welbutrin, or other prescription drugs, but most of us (I am one) throw that junk out when we find KTC. So why would I disregard the advice of my own physician and listen to a bunch of strangers who I probably will never meet? Simple reason: they are addicts too.
My physician is a former dipper. He knows first-hand how hard it is to quit. I told him about KTC, and he says he’s advised some of his “thicker skinned” patients about it. But he is still amazed I’ve made it 421 consecutive days without ingesting nicotine, on sheer will power. So how does this rag tag band of addicts help each other quit? Well, I think I’ve figured out part of it.
It’s our diversity, I think. We have all walks of life, from all kinds of experiences, from all over the country, and the world – literally. I don’t think we have a single physician in the whole lot, but I could be wrong. The truth is, we have everything you need all in one spot. I’ll be a little more specific.
If you want to hear about the life of an addict, how and why they act the way they do, addict mentality, and how your addiction doesnÂ’t fill any void, it only creates oneÂ…Smokey is your man. Smokey can always take a new guyÂ’s post and nail it for what it is: addict talk.
If you need to get mad at Big Tobacco, or rail against the companies that target young people to get them hooked on nicotine, you need to hang out with Greg5280. That guy has done his research. He KNOWS that stuff inside and out. Greg is a guy that can carry that banner and help you channel that anger to a healthy place and help you pick an enemy to do battle against.
If you need some fatherly ass-kicking, some “Why are you being such a dumbass?” type tough love, well, you can use the tri-fecta of Mule, Ready and Loot.
Now, of course I didnÂ’t mention EVERYONE, and there are others here that help like you canÂ’t understand unless youÂ’ve been there.
Where do I fit in? Well, I have guys that use the moniker of Bad Ass Quitter when they describe me. It’s humbling, because I don’t consider anything about me to be Bad Ass. What’s my approach? Well, I’m a coach. It really didn’t dawn on me until I had a considerable number of days under me that I coach. Why would I try to be more than that? I definitely look at guys that are struggling, frustrated, maybe really confused or plain old scared. My help (I hope) comes when I help pick a guy up, and set him straight. Don’t get me wrong, I provide tough love. There is very little room for excuses with me, but show me any good coach that allows his players or team to offer excuses when they perform poorly. Bottom line, there are a number of guys that gravitate to this approach, just like guys will really take a post by Ready to heart, or re-read when Greg posts about the tobacco company’s newest approach to market new consumers, or when Smokey really lights someone up and says, “It wasn’t nicotine that was filling the void, it was nicotine that was creating it.”
Bottom line – KTC works. Is it for everyone? No. We are crass, vulgar, rude, and generally full of jackwagonery. Do we look out for each other? Hell yea. Do we take our quits seriously? No, we guard them with our lives! We have walked the road to our freedom, and we are willing, ready and able to help you walk the road yourself. You can’t buy the kind of support and knowledge you are going to get at KTC. That’s what non-addicts don’t understand, but that IS why KTC works.
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Nice NOLAQ.
"....some of his 'thicker skinned' patients...."
That part made me giggle.
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Nice NOLAQ.
"....some of his 'thicker skinned' patients...."
That part made me giggle.
Well...he's a navy guy...he gets some of it. ;)
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I would press the "like" button if there was one
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One of the reasons why this site works is that addicts (like me) usually don't need a pat on the back. They need a swift, loving kick in the butt.
Addicts (like me) need a sort of "boot camp" type of atmosphere where our leaders care enough about us to get us where we need to be, despite our whining and our sensitivities!
If you want to quit, this is the place. Period. Full Stop!
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Nicely done my friend... !! Nicely done...
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New blog post: Thoughts On The Summit
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/thou ... he-summit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/thoughts-on-the-summit/)
New blog post: Thoughts about the National Spit Tobacco Summit
http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/05/thou ... co-summit/ (http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/05/thoughts-about-the-national-spit-tobacco-summit/)
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There was some discussion in an introduction today about how some people dislike how intense some of the KTC quitters are when correcting wrong attitudes, or when someone caves. Just thought I would take this opportunity to show what another quitting site advocates , as their approach is the opposite of ours....
You will quit. Not necessarily today, tomorrow, or even this year. The fact that quitting is on your mind at all indicates you have some common sense. Guilt will hassle you every so often, you'll try to quit again, and you'll succeed or you'll fail. If you're successful, you're done. If you fail, you'll try again. Someday, you will quit.
Take your pick..full on frontal attack on our addiction, or a coddling approach that condones failure as part of a process that will get you quit "someday"...hopefully before you have tumors the size of golfballs.
As for me, I'll take you douche bags over that any day!
Glad to be quit with y'all,
30.
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There was some discussion in an introduction today about how some people dislike how intense some of the KTC quitters are when correcting wrong attitudes, or when someone caves. Just thought I would take this opportunity to show what another quitting site advocates , as their approach is the opposite of ours....
You will quit. Not necessarily today, tomorrow, or even this year. The fact that quitting is on your mind at all indicates you have some common sense. Guilt will hassle you every so often, you'll try to quit again, and you'll succeed or you'll fail. If you're successful, you're done. If you fail, you'll try again. Someday, you will quit.
Take your pick..full on frontal attack on our addiction, or a coddling approach that condones failure as part of a process that will get you quit "someday"...hopefully before you have tumors the size of golfballs.
As for me, I'll take you douche bags over that any day!
Glad to be quit with y'all,
30.
Touchy feely would never have worked for me. I liked the hard nosed attitude of KTC from jump street and that is why I came here for help. My AA group is some of the most in your face old bastards you would ever have the displeasure of meeting.
Kids need hugs not addicts!
I'm with you 30, fuckem if they can't hang!
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There was some discussion in an introduction today about how some people dislike how intense some of the KTC quitters are when correcting wrong attitudes, or when someone caves. Just thought I would take this opportunity to show what another quitting site advocates , as their approach is the opposite of ours....
You will quit. Not necessarily today, tomorrow, or even this year. The fact that quitting is on your mind at all indicates you have some common sense. Guilt will hassle you every so often, you'll try to quit again, and you'll succeed or you'll fail. If you're successful, you're done. If you fail, you'll try again. Someday, you will quit.
Take your pick..full on frontal attack on our addiction, or a coddling approach that condones failure as part of a process that will get you quit "someday"...hopefully before you have tumors the size of golfballs.
As for me, I'll take you douche bags over that any day!
Glad to be quit with y'all,
30.
Touchy feely would never have worked for me. I liked the hard nosed attitude of KTC from jump street and that is why I came here for help. My AA group is some of the most in your face old bastards you would ever have the displeasure of meeting.
Kids need hugs not addicts!
I'm with you 30, fuckem if they can't hang!
I need a hug.... :unsure:
'Finger'
Glad to have you here fellers.
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You will quit. Not necessarily today, tomorrow, or even this year. The fact that quitting is on your mind at all indicates you have some common sense. Guilt will hassle you every so often, you'll try to quit again, and you'll succeed or you'll fail. If you're successful, you're done. If you fail, you'll try again. Someday, you will quit.
Really?!?! Is this from the wamby-pamby school of quitting?
sounds like someones grandma trying to get their 13 year old grandson to quit beating off in her bathroom.
Seriously...
I guess people who want to quit have options, which is great...they can customize their fit to what works best for them. I think someone needs to re-evaluate which "comfort" they're looking for.
I belong here, if you don't belong here, leave. If you do belong here, you'll be supported more than you'll know.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
Agreed.. count me in.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
Congrats 9! I'm quit with you today.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
Congrats 9! I'm quit with you today.
Even in this cold non-spring we have been having - it is good to quit.
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
Congrats 9! I'm quit with you today.
Even in this cold non-spring we have been having - it is good to quit.
It may have been a shit spring so far, but like our quit, one day at a time, and today has been an excellent day to quit with sun and warmth in the northeast!
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New blog post: A Couple That Caught My Attention
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/a-co ... attention/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/a-couple-that-caught-my-attention/)
New blog post: NiP The Grip – Energy Dip Review
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/nip- ... ip-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/nip-the-grip-energy-dip-review/)
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dunno....maybe it's just me.....but it seems like another fine day to quit and not kill me.
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Yes it is
It's strange but, today seems like an even better day to quit than yesterday.
Congrats 9! I'm quit with you today.
Even in this cold non-spring we have been having - it is good to quit.
It may have been a shit spring so far, but like our quit, one day at a time, and today has been an excellent day to quit with sun and warmth in the northeast!
What's up today is day 1. Had a headache since 9 am and actually yelled about little shit like bumpin my elbow. Haha. At least I was in my machine by myself. Any good tips ?
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What's up today is day 1. Had a headache since 9 am and actually yelled about little shit like bumpin my elbow. Haha. At least I was in my machine by myself. Any good tips ?
Welcome Brandon!
Your quit group is September 2011. That is when you will have 100 days quit under your belt.
index.php?showtopic=4751 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4751)
Here's how to post roll:
index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
As far as advice
1. Post roll every day as the first thing you do. This is not a status report, it is a promise to everyone that posts in your quit group that you will not use nicotine in any form- just for that day.
2. Honor that promise
3. Wake up tomorrow, and post roll call again.
4. These first three days are going to be intense. Remember always how bad they suck. Know that you never have to repeat them.
5. You can do this.
Glad to be quit with you,
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Welcome Brandon. Come join me in September and let's beat this bitch together. Make sure to post roll EVERY SINGLE DAY. I can't understate how important this is.
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Welcome abord Brandon.
Day 14 and now Ive started finding half full cans of dip everywhere. Its starting to piss me off. So today I will line up the now empty cans(dumped out not diped out) and Shoot the SOB's with my rifle. Its gona be a good day.
How did you all deal with the found can problem.
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Success comes in ‘Cans’
If you’re an athlete, or a coach you may have heard this before: Success comes in ‘Cans’, NOT ‘can’ts’.
Here are a few things I can do:
I can post roll today.
I can keep my word.
I can come back tomorrow.
I can mow the lawn without a dip.
I can change the oil in my car without a dip.
I can pay at the pump instead of going into the C-Store.
I can call my quit brother when I have a crave.
I can look my wife in the eye and KNOW I am not lying to her.
I can play ball with my kids because IÂ’m not hiding out to have a dip.
I can spend time with my family.
I can kiss my wife without fear that “She’ll know”.
I can stay quit for the next 5 minutes because the craving is so bad I want to pull my eyes out.
I can rage in the forums rather than scream at my kids.
I can taste food better.
I can call my dentist and keep that appointment.
I can help another quitter thatÂ’s having a bad day.
I canÂ…Â…
Well? What CAN you do?
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Welcome abord Brandon.
Day 14 and now Ive started finding half full cans of dip everywhere. Its starting to piss me off. So today I will line up the now empty cans(dumped out not diped out) and Shoot the SOB's with my rifle. Its gona be a good day.
How did you all deal with the found can problem.
You dump it in the toilet and flush.
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Reading for the weekend . . . .
Twenty-Five Things I Will Never Miss About Dip
1. Stained fingers
2. Tobacco crud beneath my finger nails.
3. Burning eyes after IÂ’ve rubbed them with stained fingers.
4. The stinking trash can under my desk that I used for a spittoon.
5. Discovering reeking spit bottles that IÂ’ve forgotten about.
6. Spitting in my coffee cup, sometimes even before it was empty.
7. Spit stains down the outside window and door of my truck.
8. Trying to talk when I needed to spit.
9. Keeping my mouth shut tight because I have no place to spit.
10. Crap breath.
11. Sneaking off to the store at midnight because IÂ’ve run out.
12. Sore mouth.
13. Dribble on my shirts.
14. Gastro-intestinal discomfort and upset stomach.
15. Lying to my wife and kids that I wasnÂ’t chewing.
16. Pretending that no one can tell IÂ’m dipping.
17. Hiding the can inside my coat or beneath my wallet.
18. Hacking and coughing because I fell asleep with a fatty in my lip and swallowed some.
19. Spitting down the straws of soft drinks so no one can tell IÂ’m spitting.
20. Worrying everyday that I might have or get oral cancer.
21. Filling the pockets of Big Tobacco.
22. Looking for the can the first thing in the morning.
23. Staying up late to get in that last dip for the day.
24. Avoiding a kiss from my beautiful wife because I was dipping.
25. Telling myself that I enjoyed all this.
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So. I am on day 20 and the last week or so have been rough. Just a quick question about the mint snuff: Does this bring back the triggers even more?
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So. I am on day 20 and the last week or so have been rough. Just a quick question about the mint snuff: Does this bring back the triggers even more?
For some people it may. For others (myself included) it scratches that itch to get you past a really rough crave.
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
Congrats on 6 days! You're right that drinking can be a tough trigger. Hang in there... there WILL be a day where you can knock back a few and not think of that little round can of death!
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
Congrats on 6 days! You're right that drinking can be a tough trigger. Hang in there... there WILL be a day where you can knock back a few and not think of that little round can of death!
However, maybe you'll start to realize the colds ones you are slamming are really just...another can of death, albeit a little bigger. :rolleyes:
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
I'm on day 9. I've had 2 beers every night this week with supper. It actually has taken the edge off for me and helps me fall asleep. Everyone is different though.
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
I'm on day 9. I've had 2 beers every night this week with supper. It actually has taken the edge off for me and helps me fall asleep. Everyone is different though.
NyQuil is a much better sleep aide and non addictive. If you are having trouble sleeping or suffering from bad nightly craves I firmly suggest it. It got me through like 3 weeks of sleepless nights and craves. Really...try to stay away from alcohol at all costs...it clouds your judgement and leaves the door cracked open for failure. I have seen too may Quits lost with the excuse that they were just too drunk to remember why but they just did it. GAURD YOUR QUITS...leave NO room for Failure!!! Great job on staying Quit!!! 6 and 9 are great together!!! 'crackup'
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
I'm on day 9. I've had 2 beers every night this week with supper. It actually has taken the edge off for me and helps me fall asleep. Everyone is different though.
NyQuil is a much better sleep aide and non addictive. If you are having trouble sleeping or suffering from bad nightly craves I firmly suggest it. It got me through like 3 weeks of sleepless nights and craves. Really...try to stay away from alcohol at all costs...it clouds your judgement and leaves the door cracked open for failure. I have seen too may Quits lost with the excuse that they were just too drunk to remember why but they just did it. GAURD YOUR QUITS...leave NO room for Failure!!! Great job on staying Quit!!! 6 and 9 are great together!!! 'crackup'
Sorry, but I gave up dip, I'm not about to give up my 1 Fat Tire with supper and 1 Fat Tire after supper routine. 1)It makes me feel good 2)It helps me relax and takes the edge off especially during my quit 3)If heaven was bottled and sold, it would taste like Fat Tire.
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Day six of kicking the can. The worst part is not being able to drink due to the intense trigger it causes me.
I'm on day 9. I've had 2 beers every night this week with supper. It actually has taken the edge off for me and helps me fall asleep. Everyone is different though.
NyQuil is a much better sleep aide and non addictive. If you are having trouble sleeping or suffering from bad nightly craves I firmly suggest it. It got me through like 3 weeks of sleepless nights and craves. Really...try to stay away from alcohol at all costs...it clouds your judgement and leaves the door cracked open for failure. I have seen too may Quits lost with the excuse that they were just too drunk to remember why but they just did it. GAURD YOUR QUITS...leave NO room for Failure!!! Great job on staying Quit!!! 6 and 9 are great together!!! 'crackup'
Sorry, but I gave up dip, I'm not about to give up my 1 Fat Tire with supper and 1 Fat Tire after supper routine. 1)It makes me feel good 2)It helps me relax and takes the edge off especially during my quit 3)If heaven was bottled and sold, it would taste like Fat Tire.
Just be careful, had a friend who gave up dip about 6 years ago because he drinks alcohol in excess now to keep the edge off.... one addiction to another for him.
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If heaven was bottled and sold, it would taste like Fat Tire.
Regardless of personal feelings about the rest of this thread, this is absolutely awesome...
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Hello, I'm new here and want to quit dipping. I have been reading on this site and feel like this is the place for me. Although I have already started my morning routine I have gotten rid of the junk and will attend roll call in the morning. I am looking forward to getting the help I need from this support group. Thanks in advance for the support.
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A recent discussion with Romandog focused my thinking on these ideas.
(I'm also going to post this in my introduction page, but thought it would be helpful here as well.)
Over ten years ago I, along with several friends, rode my bicycle across the U.S. It was a long, delightful, and exhausting journey. To prepare for the trip we did a weekend “trial run.” We were warned ahead of time that the route for the trial run involved a rather significant hill about midway through the trip. After climbing the hill, all of us agreed that it was a bit of a challenge.
When the real ride across the country occurred, it took us about six weeks to get to this same hill that we had climbed earlier. However, now we approached the hill having ridden around one hundred miles per day for six weeks in a row. We were much stronger riders. As we approached the hill, we all sort of hunkered or geared down for the challenging climb ahead. But when we arrived at the top all of us stopped and actually laughed. Where was the hill? We had ridden up the hill with hardly a notice.
The same sort of thing happens in our quits. When a difficult day comes and we plow through it, we are strengthening our quit muscles. Through repeated exercise and determination we get stronger as we overcome each hill or obstacle. Finally, we know that we have reached a milestone when a crave comes (and threatens to make the day miserable), but instead of struggling, we laugh at it derisively. The crave has lost its power because we have become stronger quitters.
(Note: this doesnÂ’t mean that we take craves lightly or that we are impervious to failure. No, it simply means that the longer we quit, the stronger we grow, and what once was an extreme difficulty becomes a tiny obstacle in a lifetime of quit.)
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A recent discussion with Romandog focused my thinking on these ideas.
(I'm also going to post this in my introduction page, but thought it would be helpful here as well.)
Over ten years ago I, along with several friends, rode my bicycle across the U.S. It was a long, delightful, and exhausting journey. To prepare for the trip we did a weekend “trial run.” We were warned ahead of time that the route for the trial run involved a rather significant hill about midway through the trip. After climbing the hill, all of us agreed that it was a bit of a challenge.
When the real ride across the country occurred, it took us about six weeks to get to this same hill that we had climbed earlier. However, now we approached the hill having ridden around one hundred miles per day for six weeks in a row. We were much stronger riders. As we approached the hill, we all sort of hunkered or geared down for the challenging climb ahead. But when we arrived at the top all of us stopped and actually laughed. Where was the hill? We had ridden up the hill with hardly a notice.
The same sort of thing happens in our quits. When a difficult day comes and we plow through it, we are strengthening our quit muscles. Through repeated exercise and determination we get stronger as we overcome each hill or obstacle. Finally, we know that we have reached a milestone when a crave comes (and threatens to make the day miserable), but instead of struggling, we laugh at it derisively. The crave has lost its power because we have become stronger quitters.
(Note: this doesnÂ’t mean that we take craves lightly or that we are impervious to failure. No, it simply means that the longer we quit, the stronger we grow, and what once was an extreme difficulty becomes a tiny obstacle in a lifetime of quit.)
Keddy
Fantastic....
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Hello, I'm new here and want to quit dipping. I have been reading on this site and feel like this is the place for me. Although I have already started my morning routine I have gotten rid of the junk and will attend roll call in the morning. I am looking forward to getting the help I need from this support group. Thanks in advance for the support.
Hey Z....If you are done with the shit...Go post roll NOW!..Start your Day 1 NOW! No better time to be quit than NOW!! Great decision you made....Now get over to September and post roll!
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Hey guys:
Day 1 quitter, first roll posted this AM, just curious as to the herbal snuffers dips of choice. I have tried almost all of them, but my quick thoughts below:
Smokey Mountain - great taste, messy, not much of a "burn" that I enjoy from Hooch. Kind of pricey. I have two tins of their pouches that are pretty good as well.
Hooch - good stuff, love Spitfire and mixing and matching it with Classic, others. New flavor Whiskey is not bad.
Mint Snuff - hated this stuff. Hard to pack, weird, still have a tin that's over 75% full.
Jakes Mint Chew - Not bad, but hard on the gums and I didn't like the texture.
Golden Eagle - Not a fan. Really bad gritty texture, not feeling the flavors, either.
Nip the Grip - didn't really like at first, but I ordered another roll and it's actually not bad. It's weird to dip sponge, but I will keep this in the rotation.
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Hey guys:
Day 1 quitter, first roll posted this AM, just curious as to the herbal snuffers dips of choice. I have tried almost all of them, but my quick thoughts below:
Smokey Mountain - great taste, messy, not much of a "burn" that I enjoy from Hooch. Kind of pricey. I have two tins of their pouches that are pretty good as well.
Hooch - good stuff, love Spitfire and mixing and matching it with Classic, others. New flavor Whiskey is not bad.
Mint Snuff - hated this stuff. Hard to pack, weird, still have a tin that's over 75% full.
Jakes Mint Chew - Not bad, but hard on the gums and I didn't like the texture.
Golden Eagle - Not a fan. Really bad gritty texture, not feeling the flavors, either.
Nip the Grip - didn't really like at first, but I ordered another roll and it's actually not bad. It's weird to dip sponge, but I will keep this in the rotation.
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I've toyed with fake subs throughout the years and BaccOff is my herbal of choice. I was a Skoal slave, the texture and taste of BaccOff mint and wintergreen are pretty solid. Not too messy, easy to pack, I keep my extras in my basement freezer and they stay fresh that way forever. Just ordered some Hooch, not bad, flavors are a little synthetic, texture is good, packs good in your lip. My $0.02. Glad to be quit w you in the Sept 2011 group.
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Guys,
I need some advice. I am on day 45 of my quit (no nicotine for the entire time). My doctore is involved in my quit and gave me a couple things (none nicotine stuff) that helps. I had a bad morning, this morning--craves, anxiety and slight depression. Should I try to fight through these craves without using what the doctor gave me to take the edge off. What the doc gave me is the equivolent of a glass of wine/beer but it helps me get through! Should I feel guilty because of this? Am I avoiding the craves by lessening them?
Please some advice!
LL
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I do not think that I am the best person to address this but it sounds like you are in a bit of a hurry for some advice....I have heard a number of people advocate the use of NON NICOTENE products to help with the withdrawl from nicotene. I believe you will find different arguments here but the bottom line is DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO TO KEEP NICOTENE OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM (PEROID).
MOA
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Guys,
I need some advice. I am on day 45 of my quit (no nicotine for the entire time). My doctore is involved in my quit and gave me a couple things (none nicotine stuff) that helps. I had a bad morning, this morning--craves, anxiety and slight depression. Should I try to fight through these craves without using what the doctor gave me to take the edge off. What the doc gave me is the equivolent of a glass of wine/beer but it helps me get through! Should I feel guilty because of this? Am I avoiding the craves by lessening them?
Please some advice!
LL
As long as it has ZERO amount of Nicotene in it than it will be fine. What did he give you??? It may help others to tell....
I always sound like an advocate for NyQuil but i used it for like 3 weeks straight during my initial days of Quit...it allowed me to get the rest i needed for those sleepless nights and then let me sleep through some major late night craves... MOA is correct...use whatever it takes to stay Quit!!! No Nicotene is key though!!! Push through this...there is no excuse to cave!!!
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Thanks for the advice.
Don't worry I won't cave! I am not going through this shit again! My quit is totally nicotine free.
About three weeks into my quit, the doc gave me welburtin (small daily dose) and valium (small dose taken as needed). I wish I had it on day one. This has helped me out greatly. I agree, as long as I don't dip, it is working, one day at a time.
Thanks
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Today June 12th, 2011 will be my first day with no chew!
But question, will it be ok to set a cut back to begin? Such as instead of having one everyday perhaps u have one every other day the every two days and so on.
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Today June 12th, 2011 will be my first day with no chew!
But question, will it be ok to set a cut back to begin? Such as instead of having one everyday perhaps u have one every other day the every two days and so on.
You will just be prolonging the suck... Right now is the best time to Quit Cold Turkey...3 days and it will be out of your system!!! No cutting back and NO NRT's of any sorts!!! No patches, Nic Gum, losenges...etc...just COLD TURKEY!!!
You CAN do this..just focus on right now. Post roll daily with September/2011 and keep your word!!! PM me if you need anything!!!
EMBRACE THE SUCK...NEVER GO BACK!!! Welcome :)
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Today June 12th, 2011 will be my first day with no chew!
But question, will it be ok to set a cut back to begin? Such as instead of having one everyday perhaps u have one every other day the every two days and so on.
You will just be prolonging the suck... Right now is the best time to Quit Cold Turkey...3 days and it will be out of your system!!! No cutting back and NO NRT's of any sorts!!! No patches, Nic Gum, losenges...etc...just COLD TURKEY!!!
You CAN do this..just focus on right now. Post roll daily with September/2011 and keep your word!!! PM me if you need anything!!!
EMBRACE THE SUCK...NEVER GO BACK!!! Welcome :)
I concur with SamCat. So many times I tried to ease into my quit by cutting back, in no time my usage shot up to more than I normally used. Cold turkey is the only way to go. Time to face this head on and get this done. It is time. You got this.
Glad to be quit with you,
30
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.
What complete BS...
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
This is exactly how I ended up dipping. Quit smoking with the NRT gum and eventually just got used to getting my fix that way. BTW...the instructions tell you to chew gum for a few seconds and then "Park" the gum in your lip, wait until tingle stops then repeat. It's like training wheels for dip. I eventually crossed over to dip...which was cheaper than the $50 boxes of gum.
...And here I am...34 days nic free, finally eyes wide open about my addiction. Thank you KTC!
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I guess this is my quit group, June 13, 2011. I KNOW I can do this, and I KNOW I am gonna need help too.
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I guess this is my quit group, June 13, 2011. I KNOW I can do this, and I KNOW I am gonna need help too.
Welcome Fox,
Your quit group is september 2011: index.php?showtopic=4751 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4751)
Click on WELCOME CENTER at the top of this page and read all of the links, it will get you started.
A quick overview of the program:
1. Post roll first thing in your day- this is your promise not to use nicotine for just today.
2. Keep your word
3. Wake up tomorrow and repeat.
Just one day at a time.
Glad to be quit with you,
30
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
I have to agree with you on this one NOLAQ.
Right now American tobacco is trying to play the snus card. Which will not work for them because their so called "snus" is just a dried out version of dip with a lot of sugar added. They are tiny little pouches that people will start to use but once their nicotine tolerance builds they will turn to dip and cigarettes. The perfect plan for creating more smokers and dippers. Except for the fact that the stuff is appalling and being a former snus user I have seen some of the numbers and it doesn't look good for big tobacco.
So what happens when the whole snus thing implodes on them... only two things will work.
1. Start making snus the way Swedes do or team up with them and import their products
2. "NRT" that mimics candy to draw in new users
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
I have to agree with you on this one NOLAQ.
Right now American tobacco is trying to play the snus card. Which will not work for them because their so called "snus" is just a dried out version of dip with a lot of sugar added. They are tiny little pouches that people will start to use but once their nicotine tolerance builds they will turn to dip and cigarettes. The perfect plan for creating more smokers and dippers. Except for the fact that the stuff is appalling and being a former snus user I have seen some of the numbers and it doesn't look good for big tobacco.
So what happens when the whole snus thing implodes on them... only two things will work.
1. Start making snus the way Swedes do or team up with them and import their products
2. "NRT" that mimics candy to draw in new users
Or American Big Tobacco will buy them out like Phillip Morris buying UST
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
I have to agree with you on this one NOLAQ.
Right now American tobacco is trying to play the snus card. Which will not work for them because their so called "snus" is just a dried out version of dip with a lot of sugar added. They are tiny little pouches that people will start to use but once their nicotine tolerance builds they will turn to dip and cigarettes. The perfect plan for creating more smokers and dippers. Except for the fact that the stuff is appalling and being a former snus user I have seen some of the numbers and it doesn't look good for big tobacco.
So what happens when the whole snus thing implodes on them... only two things will work.
1. Start making snus the way Swedes do or team up with them and import their products
2. "NRT" that mimics candy to draw in new users
Or American Big Tobacco will buy them out like Phillip Morris buying UST
NRT that mimics candy...like cherry, apple and those other flavors of Skoal that attract children and women-folk.
Tobacco companies are evil, pure and simple. Up to the same old tricks.
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
I have to agree with you on this one NOLAQ.
Right now American tobacco is trying to play the snus card. Which will not work for them because their so called "snus" is just a dried out version of dip with a lot of sugar added. They are tiny little pouches that people will start to use but once their nicotine tolerance builds they will turn to dip and cigarettes. The perfect plan for creating more smokers and dippers. Except for the fact that the stuff is appalling and being a former snus user I have seen some of the numbers and it doesn't look good for big tobacco.
So what happens when the whole snus thing implodes on them... only two things will work.
1. Start making snus the way Swedes do or team up with them and import their products
2. "NRT" that mimics candy to draw in new users
Or American Big Tobacco will buy them out like Phillip Morris buying UST
NRT that mimics candy...like cherry, apple and those other flavors of Skoal that attract children and women-folk.
Tobacco companies are evil, pure and simple. Up to the same old tricks.
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
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I met someone at a friends house yesterday who had quit smoking 6 years ago and yet he still uses nic gum every day. I didn't ask any specifics on the amount of his use, it really doesn't matter, just the fact that he traded one form of the drug for another is what struck me as completely hosed up. I used nic gum for the 2 weeks before my quit and I recall reading in the info packet that came with it that they recommended using it for 12 weeks before completely tapering off.
12 weeks? That's plenty of time to form a new habit. This company is just as dependent on the nicotine addiction as tobacco companies and yet they completely avoid any negative publicity b/c they are there to "help" smokers/dippers quit.Â
What complete BS...
Excellent post Leahy.
I'm with you on this one, as are most of the guys here. That's why we're a 100% No NRT's.
I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if you found people like the big tobacco companies investing strong in NRT's and other nicotine supplements.
But you are dead on...12 weeks before you quit...is BS.
I have to agree with you on this one NOLAQ.
Right now American tobacco is trying to play the snus card. Which will not work for them because their so called "snus" is just a dried out version of dip with a lot of sugar added. They are tiny little pouches that people will start to use but once their nicotine tolerance builds they will turn to dip and cigarettes. The perfect plan for creating more smokers and dippers. Except for the fact that the stuff is appalling and being a former snus user I have seen some of the numbers and it doesn't look good for big tobacco.
So what happens when the whole snus thing implodes on them... only two things will work.
1. Start making snus the way Swedes do or team up with them and import their products
2. "NRT" that mimics candy to draw in new users
Or American Big Tobacco will buy them out like Phillip Morris buying UST
NRT that mimics candy...like cherry, apple and those other flavors of Skoal that attract children and women-folk.
Tobacco companies are evil, pure and simple. Up to the same old tricks.
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
Leahy,
I agree with you on that completely. I think the government has most of the say in this. I don't know if any of you followed the recently passed PACT act that went through congress but it was whole heartedly the most self serving act passed by government in years. It got rid of almost all tax loopholes used by people purchasing tobacco. They passed it claiming that it would stop sending money to terrorists and stop kids from using tobacco because they could not order it online. Big whoop, now they just spend more and have a friend buy it.
The PACT act was all about government getting its tax money.
Kdip, US tobacco won't buy out Swedish companies. If anything it would be the other way around as the Swedes (Swedish Match) already own a lot of American companies. Timberwolf, longhorn, redman, and a few others are all Swedish Match owned.
I won't discuss this on this site any longer but I would be very relieved to see Swedish Match buy out American tobacco. The only thing I will say is that Swedish match has spent millions trying to make their products safer. Where as American tobacco spends Multi Millions trying to get more people addicted.
I will always argue for peoples rights to use whatever product in life they choose to. But I also feel it is corporate social responsibility to act ethically. American tobacco is the epitome of unethical behavior.
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Is the Hall of the Fallen still a thing here? Where can I find it?
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Is the Hall of the Fallen still a thing here? Where can I find it?
It's no longer publicly available.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
Welcome to the freak show.
Best decision you EVER made!
You can do this.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
Welcome to the freak show.
Best decision you EVER made!
You can do this.
smile. :) Congrats. Lets make this quit successful ... 1 day at a time. Let me or another help you if you need it. Just halla.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
Welcome to the freak show.
Best decision you EVER made!
You can do this.
smile. :) Congrats. Lets make this quit successful ... 1 day at a time. Let me or another help you if you need it. Just halla.
Welcome Fuckchew!!!! Get your big boy pants on hang on for the ride of your life!!! With this site you can FucK chew for good!!!! I chewed or smoked for as long as you did and I am over 1,000 days quit - One day at a time!!! Quitting will probably be the hardest thing you will ever do BUt is damn well WORTH It to get that shit out of your life!!!!!!!! Congrats on a great decision! If you need anything or someone to rant at PM me
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dipped 14 years quit for five. dipped two years just quit today. i hope i havent already screwed my health for my kids sake
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dipped 14 years quit for five. dipped two years just quit today. i hope i havent already screwed my health for my kids sake
Welcome (back) to the quit tim! Head over to September and introduce yourself! index.php?showtopic=4751 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4751)
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whats the general consensus of the fake dip/chew products? good idea or bad idea?
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whats the general consensus of the fake dip/chew products? good idea or bad idea?
If it works for you, that's fine. Leverage all the tools at your disposal, as long as there is no nicotine involved.
For me, seeds and gum have done the trick. But the fake stuff is fine. If you stick a tablespoon of dirt in your mouth nobody would consider it a failure (it would be nasty, but not a failure). Do what it takes. Just don't let the nic bitch in.
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I've read about quitters experiencing "dip dreams" but until recently have yet to experience one nor understand what this meant. But last night I had a "cig dream".
In the dream, I was outside of a club, and an attractive girl was also outside of it smoking a cigarette. I used to smoke socially and I figured I'd bum a smoke off of her and strike up a conversation.
But then, in my dream, I remembered my quit and thought how I would let everyone down with my cave.
I then woke up, relieved it was just a dream and I didn't cave.
I sent SamCat a PM telling her about this just to share a laugh about it, and she had a very good response that we figured would be worth sharing with everyone, since some may also experience similar nicotine withdrawal type of dreams.
Here's her paraphrased response below:
"I felt the satisfaction of inhaling my old best friend. Which is a dangerous side to the dreams....I had to battle Romanticising my Addiction. Thats how she lures you back...remembering how you thought it made you feel good or just the satisfication of filling that imaginary void in your life....
However, I got past those feelings and was able to just enjoy the dream for what it was but then wake up clean and Nic free...so I would post roll and laugh at her lil' games!!!"
Just like SamCat states, in my dream, I did recall feelings of comfort and "fun" in association with nicotine.
This would've been waaaay to easy to carry with me after I awoke, which would lead me to hitting the store for a tin to get back to old habits.
But since I sign roll every morning and give my word to not use nicotine for today, I am bound by my word and honor to not use. So instead of making tracks to the C-store, I made tracks to my computer and signed today's roll.
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At day 75 I had my first "chew dream" . I was in church for some reason and was under massive stress about something, so i reached in my pocket and there was my pack of mail pouch and as soon as i got a plug in and started chewing i realized i screwed up.
I was more concerned that I let myself down and all my fellow Tornadoes than whatever was stressing me and the rest of the people gathered in that church.
I woke up and first thing I did was get my ass over to July and post roll.
It felt so good to realize that I was still quit :)
Oh and congrats again to elkhills for hitting his 100!!
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whats the general consensus of the fake dip/chew products? good idea or bad idea?
If it works for you, that's fine. Leverage all the tools at your disposal, as long as there is no nicotine involved.
For me, seeds and gum have done the trick. But the fake stuff is fine. If you stick a tablespoon of dirt in your mouth nobody would consider it a failure (it would be nasty, but not a failure). Do what it takes. Just don't let the nic bitch in.
I agree, as long as it works for you, do it. It has helped me, but the longer I go, the less appealing it seems. Helped for the first few days though.
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whats the general consensus of the fake dip/chew products? good idea or bad idea?
If it works for you, that's fine. Leverage all the tools at your disposal, as long as there is no nicotine involved.
For me, seeds and gum have done the trick. But the fake stuff is fine. If you stick a tablespoon of dirt in your mouth nobody would consider it a failure (it would be nasty, but not a failure). Do what it takes. Just don't let the nic bitch in.
I agree, as long as it works for you, do it. It has helped me, but the longer I go, the less appealing it seems. Helped for the first few days though.
A post from the KTC blog from long ago that gives you my answer: http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/05/fake ... t-to-chew/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/05/fake-dip-to-chew-or-not-to-chew/)
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whats the general consensus of the fake dip/chew products? good idea or bad idea?
If it works for you, that's fine. Leverage all the tools at your disposal, as long as there is no nicotine involved.
For me, seeds and gum have done the trick. But the fake stuff is fine. If you stick a tablespoon of dirt in your mouth nobody would consider it a failure (it would be nasty, but not a failure). Do what it takes. Just don't let the nic bitch in.
I agree, as long as it works for you, do it. It has helped me, but the longer I go, the less appealing it seems. Helped for the first few days though.
A post from the KTC blog from long ago that gives you my answer: http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/05/fake ... t-to-chew/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/05/fake-dip-to-chew-or-not-to-chew/)
This was one of the first articles I read a few months ago when I altavista'd "herbal snuff" and found out about KTC and QSX.
A month or two of lurking and then I became a man when I put down the can.
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
Welcome to the freak show.
Best decision you EVER made!
You can do this.
smile. :) Congrats. Lets make this quit successful ... 1 day at a time. Let me or another help you if you need it. Just halla.
Welcome Fuckchew!!!! Get your big boy pants on hang on for the ride of your life!!! With this site you can FucK chew for good!!!! I chewed or smoked for as long as you did and I am over 1,000 days quit - One day at a time!!! Quitting will probably be the hardest thing you will ever do BUt is damn well WORTH It to get that shit out of your life!!!!!!!! Congrats on a great decision! If you need anything or someone to rant at PM me
on day 12 now-haven't touched a can since. but, i do have a question. when the hell does the dry mouth go away? my tongue feels like sandpaper and i don't seem to have the saliva i used to. many of the foods taste a bit metallic as well. wtf?
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First Post-I quit last night. today really sux, but i'm doing this after 36 years of chewing-what the hell.
Go to the Welcome Center.
Read #4. Read #4. Read #4 again.
Then Read #3.
Then get your ass over to September 2011 Quit Group and post Roll Call.
Welcome to the site.
Welcome to the freak show.
Best decision you EVER made!
You can do this.
smile. :) Congrats. Lets make this quit successful ... 1 day at a time. Let me or another help you if you need it. Just halla.
Welcome Fuckchew!!!! Get your big boy pants on hang on for the ride of your life!!! With this site you can FucK chew for good!!!! I chewed or smoked for as long as you did and I am over 1,000 days quit - One day at a time!!! Quitting will probably be the hardest thing you will ever do BUt is damn well WORTH It to get that shit out of your life!!!!!!!! Congrats on a great decision! If you need anything or someone to rant at PM me
on day 12 now-haven't touched a can since. but, i do have a question. when the hell does the dry mouth go away? my tongue feels like sandpaper and i don't seem to have the saliva i used to. many of the foods taste a bit metallic as well. wtf?
This (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) is a pretty good guideline of what's going to happen to your body.
Remember, everyone is different. I didn't have dry mouth per se, but it's pretty common. I would take this opportunity to drink more water. Taste buds are off. You've been destroying the inside of your mouth for 36 years. It's going to take some time for your body and brain to get back to 'normal' - which, by the way, you can't even remember what 'normal' is after 36 years.
Here (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp) are some more things to look forward to.
Just remember, you ARE doing this! Each day is another brick in your quit foundation. Make it strong. BE strong.
Let me know if I can help you out. Good quittin with you bro.
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on day 12 now-haven't touched a can since. but, i do have a question. when the hell does the dry mouth go away? my tongue feels like sandpaper and i don't seem to have the saliva i used to. many of the foods taste a bit metallic as well. wtf?
This (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) is a pretty good guideline of what's going to happen to your body.
Remember, everyone is different. I didn't have dry mouth per se, but it's pretty common. I would take this opportunity to drink more water. Taste buds are off. You've been destroying the inside of your mouth for 36 years. It's going to take some time for your body and brain to get back to 'normal' - which, by the way, you can't even remember what 'normal' is after 36 years.
Here (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp) are some more things to look forward to.
Just remember, you ARE doing this! Each day is another brick in your quit foundation. Make it strong. BE strong.
Let me know if I can help you out. Good quittin with you bro.
i read those pages last week. was just curious if there was something a bit more detailed.
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i read those pages last week. was just curious if there was something a bit more detailed.
It's different for everyone.
For me, I had a good 60-90 days of jaw/mouth issues on a "regular" basis. Then once I hit the hall I'd have an "episode" every month or so for a good year-ish. I'm defining an episode as something "abnormal" in my mouth/throat. Call it a sore throat, fat tongue, dry throat, etc.
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
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New blog post: Looking For Urgent Help From Chantix Users
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/look ... tix-users/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/looking-for-urgent-help-from-chantix-users/)
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
Hey now, the native American Indian population successfully thrived on tobacco, even to this dayÂ…err, oh never mind. :unsure:
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
Hey now, the native American Indian population successfully thrived on tobacco, even to this dayÂ…err, oh never mind. :unsure:
Now isn't this convenient that the rules for reporting were changed in the recent past? This illustrates the "partnership" between big tobacco and the govt that I discussed a couple weeks ago (below) with a nice little added twist. Relaxing reporting requirements for a "regulated" product is remarkably helpful when the company wants to launch a new product (errr, campaign to addict new customers) that includes more of the addictive substance. That's just great...
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
Hey now, the native American Indian population successfully thrived on tobacco, even to this dayÂ…err, oh never mind. :unsure:
Now isn't this convenient that the rules for reporting were changed in the recent past? This illustrates the "partnership" between big tobacco and the govt that I discussed a couple weeks ago (below) with a nice little added twist. Relaxing reporting requirements for a "regulated" product is remarkably helpful when the company wants to launch a new product (errr, campaign to addict new customers) that includes more of the addictive substance. That's just great...
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
I agree with you on this one Leahy.
Guys here rail on Big Tobacco for being evil, and campaigning straight to kids, etc. Is it a business I could be in? No.
BUT...
I don't fault those guys for being in it. I DO think that our politicians are even MORE liable than Big Tobacco. Everyone knows this shit kills. It just kills really, really slowly.
Up here in Maine, they just raised the tax ANOTHER $1 PER PACK on cigs. Two things that I say to myself: 1. Who does that REALLY hurt? (A: The poor fuckers that are addicted, and will probably buys smokes over milk) and 2. Where does that money go? (A: To the dirty fucking politician sitting in DC...so HE (or she) can ride around on my dime fucking up my country with stupid laws.)
No the problem is, once you get in the Prohibition business...well, we've seen where that goes.
My solution? Get Gov't out of it. Of course, that's pretty much my solution to everything...so....there it is.
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
Hey now, the native American Indian population successfully thrived on tobacco, even to this dayÂ…err, oh never mind. :unsure:
Now isn't this convenient that the rules for reporting were changed in the recent past? This illustrates the "partnership" between big tobacco and the govt that I discussed a couple weeks ago (below) with a nice little added twist. Relaxing reporting requirements for a "regulated" product is remarkably helpful when the company wants to launch a new product (errr, campaign to addict new customers) that includes more of the addictive substance. That's just great...
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
I agree with you on this one Leahy.
Guys here rail on Big Tobacco for being evil, and campaigning straight to kids, etc. Is it a business I could be in? No.
BUT...
I don't fault those guys for being in it. I DO think that our politicians are even MORE liable than Big Tobacco. Everyone knows this shit kills. It just kills really, really slowly.
Up here in Maine, they just raised the tax ANOTHER $1 PER PACK on cigs. Two things that I say to myself: 1. Who does that REALLY hurt? (A: The poor fuckers that are addicted, and will probably buys smokes over milk) and 2. Where does that money go? (A: To the dirty fucking politician sitting in DC...so HE (or she) can ride around on my dime fucking up my country with stupid laws.)
No the problem is, once you get in the Prohibition business...well, we've seen where that goes.
My solution? Get Gov't out of it. Of course, that's pretty much my solution to everything...so....there it is.
I'm with you...get govt out of it completely.
We hear about corruption all the time with regard to illegal activity but isn't this simply "legal" corruption? At the very least there's a vested interest to keep people addicted to this killer.
You're right that many of those paying the confiscatory tax on tobacco cannot really afford it.
The whole damn thing is pretty sad...
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New blog post: A Letter To The CDC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/06/a-letter-to-the-cdc/)
Fuel for my anger at and utter contempt for the pushers........ :angry:
Amazing that they can get away with this shit isn't it?
'bang head'
Amazing they can still sell that shit. Everyone knows the consequences. WTF..
Hey now, the native American Indian population successfully thrived on tobacco, even to this dayÂ…err, oh never mind. :unsure:
Now isn't this convenient that the rules for reporting were changed in the recent past? This illustrates the "partnership" between big tobacco and the govt that I discussed a couple weeks ago (below) with a nice little added twist. Relaxing reporting requirements for a "regulated" product is remarkably helpful when the company wants to launch a new product (errr, campaign to addict new customers) that includes more of the addictive substance. That's just great...
Tobacco companies evil??? Maybe. They certainly operate within an interesting environment. I fault the Federal Govt at least as much. Big tobacco is motivated by profit for it's shareholders, a fundamentally sound motivator, whereas the Govt is profiting from this product and yet forcing the companies to warn consumers not to use it....huh??? WTF? The govt talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Doesn't the govt actually profit more, per pack of cigarettes in the form of tax, than the tobacco companies make? Wow! That's quite a business arrangement. The Fed has NO exposure to liability for a product that kills millions of its citizens, a product that same govt profits from. Oh, and let's not forget the govt (granted it was the states) also were successful in suing big tobacco for billions of their profits for medical costs. ERRRR, isn't that money just coming from the opposite side of the balance sheet.
Isn't the Fed just a business partner of Big tobacco???
Here's a question for you...At what point does this business become the responsibility of the govt? The tax on the product continues to increase...isn't there a point at which the govt essentially owns it.
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, and tastes like shit, then....it's probably shit!!!
I agree with you on this one Leahy.
Guys here rail on Big Tobacco for being evil, and campaigning straight to kids, etc. Is it a business I could be in? No.
BUT...
I don't fault those guys for being in it. I DO think that our politicians are even MORE liable than Big Tobacco. Everyone knows this shit kills. It just kills really, really slowly.
Up here in Maine, they just raised the tax ANOTHER $1 PER PACK on cigs. Two things that I say to myself: 1. Who does that REALLY hurt? (A: The poor fuckers that are addicted, and will probably buys smokes over milk) and 2. Where does that money go? (A: To the dirty fucking politician sitting in DC...so HE (or she) can ride around on my dime fucking up my country with stupid laws.)
No the problem is, once you get in the Prohibition business...well, we've seen where that goes.
My solution? Get Gov't out of it. Of course, that's pretty much my solution to everything...so....there it is.
I'm with you...get govt out of it completely.
We hear about corruption all the time with regard to illegal activity but isn't this simply "legal" corruption? At the very least there's a vested interest to keep people addicted to this killer.
You're right that many of those paying the confiscatory tax on tobacco cannot really afford it.
The whole damn thing is pretty sad...
While profit is a "fundamentally sound motivator," not all profits are made in a fundamentally ethical way. Profits as well as taxes can be illegitimate or unethical.
The fact that the Big Tobacco companies are in business for profit does not release them from the responsibilities and liabilities they incur by marketing a dangerous and addictive substance.
Big Government, on the other hand, is simply legalizing theft and then calling it a tax. The taxes on tobacco products do not aid the addict or even really penalize the tobacco companies. They simply fill the coffers of a self-feeding, self-sustaining bureaucracy.
The bottom line, however, is that each individual is responsible for his or her own actions. Most people, but not all, who start using tobacco know it is an addictive and a life-threatening substance. There are very few who start using the stuff while being unaware of those facts.
We do not need Big Tobacco. Nor do we need Big Government. Both are equally destructive in their own dominions. Unfortunately, it's not too difficult to discover that those dominions overlap considerably.
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For those of you who've been looking to try NiP Energy Dip, they have extended a KTC only coupon for an additional month:
FREE CAN with any purchase plus FREE SHIPPING. Use promo code "KTC"
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/nip- ... ip-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/05/nip-the-grip-energy-dip-review/)
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The Admin/Moderator team of KillTheCan.org is pleased to announce the creation of a sister site, WhackThePack.com (http://WhackThePack.com). WTP will be geared toward smoking cessation. It will function in much the same manner as KTC. Roll Call will be the foundation WTP will be built on. Quit Groups and the HOF will be core concepts.
This isn't to say that smokers aren't welcome here at KTC - that's certainly not the case. WTP is going to FOCUS on smokers similarly to the way KTC focuses no chewing. No longer will smokers have to try and modify the support/information that they receive from dippers... it'll be coming directly from fellow smokers.
We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.
We are excited about the opportunity to collectively bend the Big Tobacco machine over the proverbial barrel yet again, one quitter at a time!
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The Admin/Moderator team of KillTheCan.org is pleased to announce the creation of a sister site, WhackThePack.com (http://WhackThePack.com). WTP will be geared toward smoking cessation. It will function in much the same manner as KTC. Roll Call will be the foundation WTP will be built on. Quit Groups and the HOF will be core concepts.
This isn't to say that smokers aren't welcome here at KTC - that's certainly not the case. WTP is going to FOCUS on smokers similarly to the way KTC focuses no chewing. No longer will smokers have to try and modify the support/information that they receive from dippers... it'll be coming directly from fellow smokers.
We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.
We are excited about the opportunity to collectively bend the Big Tobacco machine over the proverbial barrel yet again, one quitter at a time!
Outstanding.
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The Admin/Moderator team of KillTheCan.org is pleased to announce the creation of a sister site, WhackThePack.com (http://WhackThePack.com). WTP will be geared toward smoking cessation. It will function in much the same manner as KTC. Roll Call will be the foundation WTP will be built on. Quit Groups and the HOF will be core concepts.
This isn't to say that smokers aren't welcome here at KTC - that's certainly not the case. WTP is going to FOCUS on smokers similarly to the way KTC focuses no chewing. No longer will smokers have to try and modify the support/information that they receive from dippers... it'll be coming directly from fellow smokers.
We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.
We are excited about the opportunity to collectively bend the Big Tobacco machine over the proverbial barrel yet again, one quitter at a time!
Sweet! :D
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New blog post: KillTheCan.org Interviewed By AllTreatment.com
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/07/kill ... tment-com/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/07/killthecan-org-interviewed-by-alltreatment-com/)
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The Admin/Moderator team of KillTheCan.org is pleased to announce the creation of a sister site, WhackThePack.com (http://WhackThePack.com). WTP will be geared toward smoking cessation. It will function in much the same manner as KTC. Roll Call will be the foundation WTP will be built on. Quit Groups and the HOF will be core concepts.
This isn't to say that smokers aren't welcome here at KTC - that's certainly not the case. WTP is going to FOCUS on smokers similarly to the way KTC focuses no chewing. No longer will smokers have to try and modify the support/information that they receive from dippers... it'll be coming directly from fellow smokers.
We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.Â
We are excited about the opportunity to collectively bend the Big Tobacco machine over the proverbial barrel yet again, one quitter at a time!
Sweet! :D
You are doing big things Sir. Love to be a part of a great community.
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Hi. I am new here and need some help please. I quit about a week ago but today has been rough. I used some fake mint snuff but I don't think it's working.
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Hi. I am new here and need some help please. I quit about a week ago but today has been rough. I used some fake mint snuff but I don't think it's working.
Well, you're not wrong, it's NOT working. You're addicted to nicotine and the Oregon Mint Snuff does NOT contain nicotine. The no tobacco/no nicotine products help with the oral fixation facet of our addiction, but not the nicotine addiction. The most important thing you can do right now is:
1. Recognize that you're an addict (this is not simply a bad habit);
2. Make a decision that you will not use nicotine in any form, which is what the addiction is trying to convince you to do;
3. Get involved in this site and start posting roll in October 2011 and making yourself accountable. Go to the WELCOME CENTER link in pink above to read about why we post roll and how to post roll.
Any questions?
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Hi. I am new here and need some help please. I quit about a week ago but today has been rough. I used some fake mint snuff but I don't think it's working.
I dip that stuff as well, combined with posting roll and being accountable. That works for me.
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Hi. I am new here and need some help please. I quit about a week ago but today has been rough. I used some fake mint snuff but I don't think it's working.
Haas - I'm not sure what to say except that gmann hit it 110%. Go to the introductions and post an intro, you will have all the support in one thread of your own. You will be amazed how many strangers care about you. Read the welcome center. Most important, post roll in October. Now.
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We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.
Chewie, that's awesome. Good job to you and the whole admin team for reaching out again. I'm proud to be a part of this community...for 36 days now. Are you saying that if we feel led, to join as members over there also? I'd be glad to see if I can help because ultimately it's MY quit that would be helped. Thanks for the time and good work this entire community does.
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We are asking for your help to build this community during its infancy. Your support during the initial stages will be critical to the siteÂ’s formation. Help us create a safe haven for smokers much like the one youÂ’ve found here.Â
Chewie, that's awesome. Good job to you and the whole admin team for reaching out again. I'm proud to be a part of this community...for 36 days now. Are you saying that if we feel led, to join as members over there also? I'd be glad to see if I can help because ultimately it's MY quit that would be helped. Thanks for the time and good work this entire community does.
Not speaking for chews but yes. Join. Post rolll as support.
Add WTP to your social media pages. The more times the name is put out there, the faster it will move up On search engines. That will be key to growing the place.
Thanks in advance for the help.
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You know when you're an addict when:
I was playing so badly in golf yesterday and it actually crossed my mind that it was because I wasn't dipping. Pathetic. I always believed I was an addict, but this was the first time it actually hit home for real.... too bad I won anyway. I played like shit, but had fun, and didn't dip. F you nic bitch. And thank you killthecan
Dan
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There's nothing more depressing than starting a new quit group (with all of the anticipation of watching and helping some new quitters kill the can) only to find cavers starting all over again!!
I'm all for helping our weaker brothers find success and victory.
I'm just sayin' it sure can be depressing sometimes . . . . .
:angry: :angry: :angry:
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There's nothing more depressing than starting a new quit group (with all of the anticipation of watching and helping some new quitters kill the can) only to find cavers starting all over again!!
I'm all for helping our weaker brothers find success and victory.
I'm just sayin' it sure can be depressing sometimes . . . . .
:angry: :angry: :angry:
It can be depressing for sure... but NEVER let someone else's failure affect your quit. I always use someone else's cave as a way to make my quit STRONGER. Remember... you're never going back. Look at their failure as further proof that the fight isn't over, regardless of how many days you've got under your belt.
chewie
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New blog post: Absolut Snus Review
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/07/absolut-snus-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/07/absolut-snus-review/)
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I am going to be in insanely good shape with all the working out I have to do to combat the cravings/irritability. So far its helping a lot but I still want to walk to the store and buy a can
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I am going to be in insanely good shape with all the working out I have to do to combat the cravings/irritability. So far its helping a lot but I still want to walk to the store and buy a can
You DON'T want to go the store and do any such thing. Your ADDICTION wants you to go to the store to get another fix. Take pleasure in telling your addiction to EFF OFF because you posted roll today.
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i'm right there with you copefree... i quit on friday. starting two a days at the gym today to fight off the urge to chew. did anyone else out there have to try quitting a couple of times? i tried meds the first time and they didn't work. i think it was because i wasn't quitting for me... my wife was trying to force it. for some reason i decided to quit again and found this site. hopefully it will help.
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i'm right there with you copefree... i quit on friday. starting two a days at the gym today to fight off the urge to chew. did anyone else out there have to try quitting a couple of times? i tried meds the first time and they didn't work. i think it was because i wasn't quitting for me... my wife was trying to force it. for some reason i decided to quit again and found this site. hopefully it will help.
Quit for you. Once you decide, there's nothing left to argue. There's no hope, wish, prayer, maybe, or thinking that'll do it for you. Make the decision, commit to it, and move past your old life with nic.
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i'm right there with you copefree... i quit on friday. starting two a days at the gym today to fight off the urge to chew. did anyone else out there have to try quitting a couple of times? i tried meds the first time and they didn't work. i think it was because i wasn't quitting for me... my wife was trying to force it. for some reason i decided to quit again and found this site. hopefully it will help.
Quit for you. Once you decide, there's nothing left to argue. There's no hope, wish, prayer, maybe, or thinking that'll do it for you. Make the decision, commit to it, and move past your old life with nic.
Yep, and it's SO worth the fight.
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What's with the domain change? Any new features?
From: index (http://forum.killthecan.org/index)
To: http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index).
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i'm right there with you copefree... i quit on friday. starting two a days at the gym today to fight off the urge to chew. did anyone else out there have to try quitting a couple of times? i tried meds the first time and they didn't work. i think it was because i wasn't quitting for me... my wife was trying to force it. for some reason i decided to quit again and found this site. hopefully it will help.
Quit for you. Once you decide, there's nothing left to argue. There's no hope, wish, prayer, maybe, or thinking that'll do it for you. Make the decision, commit to it, and move past your old life with nic.
Im going to start running tomorrow to help fight off this shit
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What's with the domain change? Any new features?
From: index (http://forum.killthecan.org/index)
To: http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index).
That's not a change... there's always been two.
the forum.killthecan.org is just an alias.
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Howdy folks -
Just curious, couple of questions. I stumbled across another similar website called quitsmokeless.org or something like that (referenced by someone on this site)...it looked similar in that it talked about 100-day HOF and such...is it affiliated with this one? Like I said, just curious. Second, so who created this site and the idea? Again, just curious - whoever it is I think they are pretty damn smart. I'm 8 days quit today and in large part because of the support on this site. Thanks and have a great day!
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Howdy folks -
Just curious, couple of questions. I stumbled across another similar website called quitsmokeless.org or something like that (referenced by someone on this site)...it looked similar in that it talked about 100-day HOF and such...is it affiliated with this one? Like I said, just curious. Second, so who created this site and the idea? Again, just curious - whoever it is I think they are pretty damn smart. I'm 8 days quit today and in large part because of the support on this site. Thanks and have a great day!
I thank whoever came up with the idea of this site. It is a hell of a tool when quitting. Im 3 days in now.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
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Howdy folks -
Just curious, couple of questions. I stumbled across another similar website called quitsmokeless.org or something like that (referenced by someone on this site)...it looked similar in that it talked about 100-day HOF and such...is it affiliated with this one? Like I said, just curious. Second, so who created this site and the idea? Again, just curious - whoever it is I think they are pretty damn smart. I'm 8 days quit today and in large part because of the support on this site. Thanks and have a great day!
Here's a little of the history that I'm aware of but certainly not complete. I'm sure many others can add more details...
A guy named Matt (I forget his last name) started a site called QuitSmokeless.org about 10 years ago to be a community of people who wanted to quit using dip. It was pretty much a free-for-all in terms of language, methodology, etc and was pretty hardcore about going cold turkey as I remember it.
Sometime in 2006 Matt decided he could not operate the site any longer and it was essentially taken over by one of the frequent posters, a guy who goes by the name Flavious Victor.
At this point QuitSmokeless began to change, there was an effort by some to clean up the language and make it more "politically correct". There was also 2 schools of thought regarding quitting and the purpose of the site...dip-free or nicotine-free.
Here is where others might be more helpful but it appears to me that Chewie and others started KTC because of that difference in philosophy. Today KTC kicks ass and the "new-age" QuitSmokeless site is withering on the vine. Go look at how many members are in each new quit group and this is a pretty good indication of the health of the site.
By my recollection Matt did a very good job with the original QuitSmokeless site and it was very much like KTC is today. I applaud Chewie and others who make this site possible. It's obviously going strong and I think that's a function of their leadership.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
I went for a run today and it felt awesome. I dont feel as tense today and not a foggy
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
I used valerian tea early in my quit with some success. I'd drink two bags before bed. You should be able to find it at vitamin/herbal whatever shops. Oh yeah, and it smells like feet.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
I used valerian tea early in my quit with some success. I'd drink two bags before bed. You should be able to find it at vitamin/herbal whatever shops. Oh yeah, and it smells like feet.
So taking a couple of teabags helped you huh?
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
I used valerian tea early in my quit with some success. I'd drink two bags before bed. You should be able to find it at vitamin/herbal whatever shops. Oh yeah, and it smells like feet.
So taking a couple of teabags helped you huh?
Sure did!
Not as much as putting two testicles in my mouth, however.
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Anybody know a good way to deal with the insomnia? I was up for most of the night just laying in bed unable to go to sleep and now I am exhausted. How long does the insomnia last?
Get some exercise.
On second thought, get a lot of exercise.
I have been getting a lot of exercise in to help combat the craves and irritability. That makes the insomnia even more frustrating.
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot else I can recommend. Your body will take some time getting back to normal without all that nicotine running through your blood.
When I was waking up at 4am I would just get up and start my day. Another option is read or watch late-night tv until you fall asleep. I'd avoid alcohol but you might try some herbal tea.
It should pass in the next week or two
I used valerian tea early in my quit with some success. I'd drink two bags before bed. You should be able to find it at vitamin/herbal whatever shops. Oh yeah, and it smells like feet.
So taking a couple of teabags helped you huh?
Sure did!
Not as much as putting two testicles in my mouth, however.
TIFFS 8.429
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Has anyone ever tried that jakes mint all natural chew I ve been seeing all over the place..
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Has anyone ever tried that jakes mint all natural chew I ve been seeing all over the place..
This section does not get quite that much traffic from the people who will respond to your questions. You will have better responses if you post in your group.
Here...
http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/i ... topic=5023 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/QS_Xtreme/index.php?showtopic=5023)
I saw your intro. Have you posted roll yet?
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Its a good thing im the only one in the house tonight, I just absolutely lost it after laying in bed not sleeping for the second night in a row. Im completely exhausted and my mind just wont shut off. I'm committed to quitting but this not sleeping thing is going to kill me faster than the chew was going to. I need to go buy a punching bag or something or else my wall is going to be full of fist holes. Ive been laying around for four hours now and i dont feel even remotely close to falling asleep. So fucking pissed off now its unreal
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Its a good thing im the only one in the house tonight, I just absolutely lost it after laying in bed not sleeping for the second night in a row. Im completely exhausted and my mind just wont shut off. I'm committed to quitting but this not sleeping thing is going to kill me faster than the chew was going to. I need to go buy a punching bag or something or else my wall is going to be full of fist holes. Ive been laying around for four hours now and i dont feel even remotely close to falling asleep. So fucking pissed off now its unreal
Tylenol PM bro.
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Its a good thing im the only one in the house tonight, I just absolutely lost it after laying in bed not sleeping for the second night in a row. Im completely exhausted and my mind just wont shut off. I'm committed to quitting but this not sleeping thing is going to kill me faster than the chew was going to. I need to go buy a punching bag or something or else my wall is going to be full of fist holes. Ive been laying around for four hours now and i dont feel even remotely close to falling asleep. So fucking pissed off now its unreal
Tylenol PM bro.
Whatever you do, don't give up your quit! Your body needs to adjust to being nic-free and it takes time. I suffered from insomnia during the first part of my quit - and I mean suffered!! Getting lots of exercise helped me the most.
I'm sleeping well now; you'll get through this. Ride out the storm, brother!!!
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Has anyone ever tried that jakes mint all natural chew I ve been seeing all over the place..
Yes, I bought a few tins but wasn't happy with the texture. Super gritty, will do a number on your gumline. I prefer Hooch, Oregon Mint Snuff, and Young's.
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Has anyone ever tried that jakes mint all natural chew I ve been seeing all over the place..
Yes, I bought a few tins but wasn't happy with the texture. Super gritty, will do a number on your gumline. I prefer Hooch, Oregon Mint Snuff, and Young's.
Yessir: http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/10/jake ... ew-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/10/jakes-mint-chew-review/)
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
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New blog post: Sleep Issues When Quitting Dip
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/slee ... tting-dip/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/sleep-issues-when-quitting-dip/)
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New blog post: Sleep Issues When Quitting Dip
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/slee ... tting-dip/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/sleep-issues-when-quitting-dip/)
Glad you posted that - I've been wondering why the hell I'm having such a problem with insomnia. Being that I'm 12 days quit it appears I'm in line with a lot of these folks. I literally was just told by my secretary that I look tired as hell - happens when waking up at 2:00 a.m. and wide awake.
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New blog post:Â Sleep Issues When Quitting Dip
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/slee ... tting-dip/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/sleep-issues-when-quitting-dip/)
Glad you posted that - I've been wondering why the hell I'm having such a problem with insomnia. Being that I'm 12 days quit it appears I'm in line with a lot of these folks. I literally was just told by my secretary that I look tired as hell - happens when waking up at 2:00 a.m. and wide awake.
Glad to have helped a bit!
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
It was really strange," Bochy said. "There are so many triggers that you have that make you want to put a dip in. The following day, I did have an urge, not a real strong one. I said, Â’OK, IÂ’ve had my day off, now itÂ’s time to put one in.Â’"
But he didnÂ’t do it.
"The next game I did have an urge. The next two to three days I still had an urge, but it just wasnÂ’t as strong as other times IÂ’ve tried to quit," he said. "When I got past the fourth or fifth day, I was over it. I didnÂ’t crave it. I didnÂ’t want it. I was fine.
He probably had a cigar on day 4.
Now where have I heard that the physical urges are the worst in the first 3 days?
He's ninja dipping.
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
It was really strange," Bochy said. "There are so many triggers that you have that make you want to put a dip in. The following day, I did have an urge, not a real strong one. I said, Â’OK, IÂ’ve had my day off, now itÂ’s time to put one in.Â’"
But he didnÂ’t do it.
"The next game I did have an urge. The next two to three days I still had an urge, but it just wasnÂ’t as strong as other times IÂ’ve tried to quit," he said. "When I got past the fourth or fifth day, I was over it. I didnÂ’t crave it. I didnÂ’t want it. I was fine.
He probably had a cigar on day 4.
Now where have I heard that the physical urges are the worst in the first 3 days?
He's ninja dipping.
No one refers to it as an addiction. FAIL.
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
It was really strange," Bochy said. "There are so many triggers that you have that make you want to put a dip in. The following day, I did have an urge, not a real strong one. I said, Â’OK, IÂ’ve had my day off, now itÂ’s time to put one in.Â’"
But he didnÂ’t do it.
"The next game I did have an urge. The next two to three days I still had an urge, but it just wasnÂ’t as strong as other times IÂ’ve tried to quit," he said. "When I got past the fourth or fifth day, I was over it. I didnÂ’t crave it. I didnÂ’t want it. I was fine.
He probably had a cigar on day 4.
Now where have I heard that the physical urges are the worst in the first 3 days?
He's ninja dipping.
No one refers to it as an addiction. FAIL.
I agree. And what I think Bochy has gone through would be called...Cold Turkey.
In addition to the aforementioned "nobody calls it an addiction" fail, there's also the whole "Nobody is being held accountable for their quit" aspect as well.
Bochy is basically just relying on some quack and putting all his "faith" into the idea that he was hypnotized to not want to dip, but what is stopping him from being like, "OK, I know I was hypnotized, now I will unhypnotize myself and crack a tin".
Nothing about a support network or even how to battle through craves.
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
It was really strange," Bochy said. "There are so many triggers that you have that make you want to put a dip in. The following day, I did have an urge, not a real strong one. I said, Â’OK, IÂ’ve had my day off, now itÂ’s time to put one in.Â’"
But he didnÂ’t do it.
"The next game I did have an urge. The next two to three days I still had an urge, but it just wasnÂ’t as strong as other times IÂ’ve tried to quit," he said. "When I got past the fourth or fifth day, I was over it. I didnÂ’t crave it. I didnÂ’t want it. I was fine.
He probably had a cigar on day 4.
Now where have I heard that the physical urges are the worst in the first 3 days?
He's ninja dipping.
No one refers to it as an addiction. FAIL.
I agree. And what I think Bochy has gone through would be called...Cold Turkey.
In addition to the aforementioned "nobody calls it an addiction" fail, there's also the whole "Nobody is being held accountable for their quit" aspect as well.
Bochy is basically just relying on some quack and putting all his "faith" into the idea that he was hypnotized to not want to dip, but what is stopping him from being like, "OK, I know I was hypnotized, now I will unhypnotize myself and crack a tin".
Nothing about a support network or even how to battle through craves.
One of my "breaks" from dip actually began with a hypnosis session. It was the weirdest thing. I dipped all the way to the appointment, left the can of dip in the console of the truck, went in, got hypnotized, went back to the truck, looked at the can of dip, and wondered why it was there. My brain was telling me that I didn't dip anymore. Took me a few seconds to remember that I actually dipped all the way to the appointment. The problem is that quit did not have staying power, and the power of suggestion wore off in a few days.
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Stumbled across this article on SF Giants manager Bruce Bochy undergoing hypnosis to quit dipping:
Hypnotist helps Bochy and staff quit dipping (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?&articleid=1357265&format=&page=1&listingType=mlb#articleFull)
IMHO, I'm calling BS, but hey, if it works for him, that's great. What's worked for me, though...posting roll daily and keeping my word.
i almost missed this in the article:
"Not that the rest of the Giants are necessarily convinced. They razz Hayes because he has been seen smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, or using the imitation snuff since seeing Paxson."
It was really strange," Bochy said. "There are so many triggers that you have that make you want to put a dip in. The following day, I did have an urge, not a real strong one. I said, Â’OK, IÂ’ve had my day off, now itÂ’s time to put one in.Â’"
But he didnÂ’t do it.
"The next game I did have an urge. The next two to three days I still had an urge, but it just wasnÂ’t as strong as other times IÂ’ve tried to quit," he said. "When I got past the fourth or fifth day, I was over it. I didnÂ’t crave it. I didnÂ’t want it. I was fine.
He probably had a cigar on day 4.
Now where have I heard that the physical urges are the worst in the first 3 days?
He's ninja dipping.
No one refers to it as an addiction. FAIL.
I agree. And what I think Bochy has gone through would be called...Cold Turkey.
In addition to the aforementioned "nobody calls it an addiction" fail, there's also the whole "Nobody is being held accountable for their quit" aspect as well.
Bochy is basically just relying on some quack and putting all his "faith" into the idea that he was hypnotized to not want to dip, but what is stopping him from being like, "OK, I know I was hypnotized, now I will unhypnotize myself and crack a tin".
Nothing about a support network or even how to battle through craves.
One of my "breaks" from dip actually began with a hypnosis session. It was the weirdest thing. I dipped all the way to the appointment, left the can of dip in the console of the truck, went in, got hypnotized, went back to the truck, looked at the can of dip, and wondered why it was there. My brain was telling me that I didn't dip anymore. Took me a few seconds to remember that I actually dipped all the way to the appointment. The problem is that quit did not have staying power, and the power of suggestion wore off in a few days.
Until these ass clowns discover and commit themselves to daily Roll Call...they will remain active addicts. Someone should send them a friendly e-mail.
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
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Oh that's great news! I figure in my particular group it will be easy since we have a spreadsheet. I assume that has been the case for a while now?
I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't know who maintains our spreadsheet. I think it may be per034.
And 5000+? Wow. You deserve a nobel prize or something.
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That's just a whole lot of quit.
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
PM sent, but I can get you anything for may 11.
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
PM sent, but I can get you anything for may 11.
I have kept a small eye on things and to me it appears that there is no where near a 70% success rate. In fact it looks more like 15% - 25%. Of course that includes all the people that post roll one time and don't show up again. I could be wrong though, just what the numbers look like to me.
Though a 15-25% success rate is huge compared to other methods of quitting.
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I agree. If you are looking at total number of "sworn quitters" that post a day 1 all the way throught the HOF...then 70% success rate seems a little high to me too........I think Chewie knows that too....he must have misunderstood the question.
MOA
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I agree. If you are looking at total number of "sworn quitters" that post a day 1 all the way throught the HOF...then 70% success rate seems a little high to me too........I think Chewie knows that too....he must have misunderstood the question.
MOA
You're right... if you're looking at everyone's that's ever posted a day 1, that's prolly way high. I was referring to people that posted with "regularity" - however that's defined.
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I agree. If you are looking at total number of "sworn quitters" that post a day 1 all the way throught the HOF...then 70% success rate seems a little high to me too........I think Chewie knows that too....he must have misunderstood the question.
MOA
You're right... if you're looking at everyone's that's ever posted a day 1, that's prolly way high. I was referring to people that posted with "regularity" - however that's defined.
Since the 1st 4 days is so crucial then a good datapoint may be to see what % of people that post role for 1 week make it to the HOF.
I don't know. Just think out loud.
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
PM sent, but I can get you anything for may 11.
August 11 is an open book. Happy to crunch whatever numbers we have... Data is incomplete though (we haven't all hit the hall yet), but here's some to chew on (no pun intended)
95 total quitters - 56 cavers = 39 total quitters. Success rate is 41.05% (so far.. subject to change).
29 of 39 quitters have posted roll at least 90% of the time. (74.36%)
16 of 39 quitters have never missed roll (41.025%)
27 of the 39 quitheads remaining started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. (69.23%)
Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
PM sent, but I can get you anything for may 11.
August 11 is an open book. Happy to crunch whatever numbers we have... Data is incomplete though (we haven't all hit the hall yet), but here's some to chew on (no pun intended)
95 total quitters - 56 cavers = 39 total quitters. Success rate is 41.05% (so far.. subject to change).
29 of 39 quitters have posted roll at least 90% of the time. (74.36%)
16 of 39 quitters have never missed roll (41.025%)
27 of the 39 quitheads remaining started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. (69.23%)
Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
Look at how close the number is for 100% posters and successful quitters.
This study would produce some major weaponry, to pierce the armor of those who come here to fight against the plan.
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
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If I don't post roll in the AM, I get jittery, nervous, anxious...hmmm, much like when I wouldn't pack a dip before lunch!
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Question.
As my August quit brother are rounding the corner on step 1 HOF status I got to wondering about quit group data. I'm sure it exists around here somewhere, but here is specifically what I was wondering:
What was the largest 1 month quit group?
What is the average size quit group?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website?
Just curious. I like to talk about this place and think some data would help me to be convincing to others that I try to make aware of the existence of killthecan.org.
Funny you should ask... we've never really compiled all of this data... until now.
I'm about to embark on a task I'm referring to in my mind as "Quantifying KTC". I'm going to be collecting this data on each quit group so that it's very easy to answer these questions.
Any volunteers? I'll need one person for each group who's willing to take up the task.
To answer your questions (off the top of my head):
What was the largest 1 month quit group? - April 06?
What is the average size quit group? - 30-50?
How many people on average that have posted role fail to get their 100 days in? - 30%?
How many total people have reached 100 days quit HOF status on this website? - 5,000?
PM sent, but I can get you anything for may 11.
August 11 is an open book. Happy to crunch whatever numbers we have... Data is incomplete though (we haven't all hit the hall yet), but here's some to chew on (no pun intended)
95 total quitters - 56 cavers = 39 total quitters. Success rate is 41.05% (so far.. subject to change).
29 of 39 quitters have posted roll at least 90% of the time. (74.36%)
16 of 39 quitters have never missed roll (41.025%)
27 of the 39 quitheads remaining started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. (69.23%)
Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
Look at how close the number is for 100% posters and successful quitters.
This study would produce some major weaponry, to pierce the armor of those who come here to fight against the plan.
I've actually thought about this topic quite a bit. With each quit group gathering data there's got to be a lot of great info that could be squeezed out of it. I'll bet that with such a diverse membership there's a statistician here somewhere that could come up with some great insights. I love the idea.
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
That's probably more accurate... though I also think this illustrates that if you start posting roll from day 1, and post consecutively through day 10, you are more likely to continue with the program.
Of course, I'm not a statistician or actuary - and I know that the active quitters (39) are not included in this statistic. So it's probably actually higher than 91%. But again - the sample size isn't large enough. With so many spreadsheets out there, I'll bet someone will be industrious enough to get this math working. Happy to do my part for who ever wants to take the lead (I can't - just not smart enough :) )
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
That's probably more accurate... though I also think this illustrates that if you start posting roll from day 1, and post consecutively through day 10, you are more likely to continue with the program.
Of course, I'm not a statistician or actuary - and I know that the active quitters (39) are not included in this statistic. So it's probably actually higher than 91%. But again - the sample size isn't large enough. With so many spreadsheets out there, I'll bet someone will be industrious enough to get this math working. Happy to do my part for who ever wants to take the lead (I can't - just not smart enough :) )
The unknown is whether or not folks who stop posting pre-HOF have, in fact, caved.
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
That's probably more accurate... though I also think this illustrates that if you start posting roll from day 1, and post consecutively through day 10, you are more likely to continue with the program.
Of course, I'm not a statistician or actuary - and I know that the active quitters (39) are not included in this statistic. So it's probably actually higher than 91%. But again - the sample size isn't large enough. With so many spreadsheets out there, I'll bet someone will be industrious enough to get this math working. Happy to do my part for who ever wants to take the lead (I can't - just not smart enough :) )
The unknown is whether or not folks who stop posting pre-HOF have, in fact, caved.
Yep... and therein lies the crux of the issue that I (we) have with quantifying our success rates. Just because someone doesn't post roll that doesn't mean they're back on the can.
Which goes back to what I've often said about long term success here (hence the reason I still post daily 5+ years in): "If your name is on the line, I'm 100% sure that you're quit. If your name's NOT on the line, I have no idea."
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
That's probably more accurate... though I also think this illustrates that if you start posting roll from day 1, and post consecutively through day 10, you are more likely to continue with the program.
Of course, I'm not a statistician or actuary - and I know that the active quitters (39) are not included in this statistic. So it's probably actually higher than 91%. But again - the sample size isn't large enough. With so many spreadsheets out there, I'll bet someone will be industrious enough to get this math working. Happy to do my part for who ever wants to take the lead (I can't - just not smart enough :) )
The unknown is whether or not folks who stop posting pre-HOF have, in fact, caved.
Yep... and therein lies the crux of the issue that I (we) have with quantifying our success rates. Just because someone doesn't post roll that doesn't mean they're back on the can.
Which goes back to what I've often said about long term success here (hence the reason I still post daily 5+ years in): "If your name is on the line, I'm 100% sure that you're quit. If your name's NOT on the line, I have no idea."
Some folks can do it on their own, but I'd tend to think that if you thought you needed an Internet site to stay quit, you probably needed an Internet site to stay quit. I'd say at least 85-90% of those who stop posting pre HOF have caved, but that's just my SWAG and hardly scientific. Maybe we need a politician to interpret the numbers for us. I doubt they'd let a little unknown screw up their desired message.
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Conversely, 5 of the 56 cavers started their quit with at least 10 consecutive days of posting roll. Which means that 51 cavers couldn't make it to double digits. Maybe there's your magic number. There's a 91.07% chance of caving if you don't make it to day 10 (according to August 2011 data; recognizing that the sample size is not representative.... )
If you do not make it to day 10, by definition you would have caved (100%).
What I think this is actually showing is that if you were to cave, there is a 91% chance that you would do it in the first ten days (based on your sample)
That's probably more accurate... though I also think this illustrates that if you start posting roll from day 1, and post consecutively through day 10, you are more likely to continue with the program.
Of course, I'm not a statistician or actuary - and I know that the active quitters (39) are not included in this statistic. So it's probably actually higher than 91%. But again - the sample size isn't large enough. With so many spreadsheets out there, I'll bet someone will be industrious enough to get this math working. Happy to do my part for who ever wants to take the lead (I can't - just not smart enough :) )
The unknown is whether or not folks who stop posting pre-HOF have, in fact, caved.
Yep... and therein lies the crux of the issue that I (we) have with quantifying our success rates. Just because someone doesn't post roll that doesn't mean they're back on the can.
Which goes back to what I've often said about long term success here (hence the reason I still post daily 5+ years in): "If your name is on the line, I'm 100% sure that you're quit. If your name's NOT on the line, I have no idea."
Chewie,
I agree that there is an issue with counting this kind of data; however, there is one type of data that absolutely does mean something that has not been mentioned.
Success rate after quitters get through the 14-21 day mark.
Lets face it, most fail in the first few days. Most who will leave the site leave within the first few weeks. After the 14-21 day mark (when your brain has rewired itself) we are all in a much clearer state and have a sense of whether we want to remain here or not.
Now you would have to use the HoF 100 day mark as one mark and maybe the 30 day mark as your other. The percentages should be based off of these two numbers.
Keep these simple stats and your going to be happy.
1. Percentage of quitters who reach 30 days
2. Percentage of quitters who reach 30 days and reach HoF 100 days.
Those two percentages mean more than anything if you ask me. They at least give an indicator to go by. I would be the success rate for those who make 100 days after reaching 30 days is well over 50%... that is a good number.
The other nice thing is that since I have arrived here it looks like groups have got the whole spreadsheet thing going in a great direction. Hopefully it gets passed along to every group and numbers will start being really easy to keep track of so we can get a good estimate for what this site really does.
I have to be honest in saying this... to attract people you often need numbers. If this site does have a 15-25% success rate I do believe that would be one of the highest success rates ever in the history of tobacco cessation programs. Obviously that is a wild ass guess.
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New blog post: Marching Toward 10K
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/marching-toward-10k/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/marching-toward-10k/)
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The new KillTheCan.org store is now officially open for business:
http://store.killthecan.org/ (http://store.killthecan.org/)
We've created this to offer a more robust (and hopefully easier) shopping experience.
Some features of the new store (in case you're interested):- Coupons Specials: we now have the ability to offer our fans and members coupons and special pricing. VERY EXCITING!
- Account creation: for those of you that make repeat purchases (THANK YOU!) you now can create an account. This will store your shipping/billing info (we're not storing credit card info) to make checkout easier in the future. Don't worry... we also offer GUEST CHECKOUT if you prefer.
- Order history (if you create an account)
- Wish list: see something you like but you're not ready to pull the trigger? Add it to your wish list for later.
- Product comparisons: check out the differences between products
- Newsletter signup: we're going to be developing a newsletter in the future... you can sign up here!
Speaking of specials...
Now through the end of September, all Milestone Chips are on special!
http://store.killthecan.org/milestone-chips (http://store.killthecan.org/milestone-chips)
We've just rolled this out so there may be a bug here and there... thanks for your patience and feedback is always welcome!
chewie
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
Just a reminder... this is tomorrow~!
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
Just a reminder... this is tomorrow~!
Thats AWESOME chewie!
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
Just a reminder... this is tomorrow~!
Thats AWESOME chewie!
You attending, Moe? Or are you Curly? I can't remember.
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
Just a reminder... this is tomorrow~!
Thats AWESOME chewie!
You attending, Moe? Or are you Curly? I can't remember.
Well, I ain't loot in drag...that much is fo sho... Unfortunately I won't be attending as I will be excising my right of nonviolent resistance (picketing)
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
Just a reminder... this is tomorrow~!
Thats AWESOME chewie!
You attending, Moe? Or are you Curly? I can't remember.
Well, I ain't loot in drag...that much is fo sho... Unfortunately I won't be attending as I will be excising my right of nonviolent resistance (picketing)
HAWK is live in chat right now!!!
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New blog post: A Big Night In Chat
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/a-big-night-in-chat/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/a-big-night-in-chat/)
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New blog post: A Big Night In Chat
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/a-big-night-in-chat/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/a-big-night-in-chat/)
Good stuff last night. Appreciation all around for those who made it possible.
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As you may know, we recently had Lee (Hawk from American Gladiators) in the KTC chat. He'll be coming back on the 30th if you missed him.
We're also potentially lining up a dentist to come into chat and field questions... something you guys would be interested in?
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Having a dentist is a great idea!
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tranny hookers?
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tranny hookers?
you're already in there every night, tarp.
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tranny hookers?
you're already in there every night, tarp.
Pictures or GTFO.
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As you may know, we recently had Lee (Hawk from American Gladiators) in the KTC chat. He'll be coming back on the 30th if you missed him.
We're also potentially lining up a dentist to come into chat and field questions... something you guys would be interested in?
Great Idea. For those of us that probably will not be able to make it. Will there be a chat transcript or anything that we can look at to see the QA's provided?
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As you may know, we recently had Lee (Hawk from American Gladiators) in the KTC chat. He'll be coming back on the 30th if you missed him.
We're also potentially lining up a dentist to come into chat and field questions... something you guys would be interested in?
Great Idea. For those of us that probably will not be able to make it. Will there be a chat transcript or anything that we can look at to see the QA's provided?
Hmm... yeah, that's probably something I can pull together. May take me a while to format it so it's readable, but I'll get it done.
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New blog post: Holt Tobaccoless Chew Review
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/holt ... ew-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/holt-tobaccoless-chew-review/)
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As you may know, we recently had Lee (Hawk from American Gladiators) in the KTC chat. He'll be coming back on the 30th if you missed him.
We're also potentially lining up a dentist to come into chat and field questions... something you guys would be interested in?
Great Idea. For those of us that probably will not be able to make it. Will there be a chat transcript or anything that we can look at to see the QA's provided?
Hmm... yeah, that's probably something I can pull together. May take me a while to format it so it's readable, but I'll get it done.
My wife works in a dentist's office. Would you like me to approach her boss?
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New blog post: American Gladiator “Hawk” Is Coming To KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/amer ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/american-gladiator-hawk-is-coming-to-killthecan-org/)
If you missed it last time you've got another chance TONIGHT at 9:00 EST!
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New blog post: The Re-Branding Of KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the- ... ng-of-ktc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the-re-branding-of-ktc/)
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New blog post: The Re-Branding Of KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the- ... ng-of-ktc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the-re-branding-of-ktc/)
LOOT digs the new logo chews2002
goo work
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New blog post:Â The Re-Branding Of KTC
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the- ... ng-of-ktc/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/08/the-re-branding-of-ktc/)
LOOT digs the new logo chews2002
goo work
Awesome change chewie. I guess I need to get my hat now with it.
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If there ever was a time for a newbie to stumble into chat... NOW's the time!
http://chat.killthecan.org (http://chat.killthecan.org)
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Day 3..Decided it was time to quit and man up. Reasoning? Well the risk, but also the amounts of money spent and wasted. Decided I could hit a baseball and accomplish the tasks without having a dip in my mouth. I hope to get this done and move on in my life. COLD TURKEY!!!
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Day 3..Decided it was time to quit and man up. Reasoning? Well the risk, but also the amounts of money spent and wasted. Decided I could hit a baseball and accomplish the tasks without having a dip in my mouth. I hope to get this done and move on in my life. COLD TURKEY!!!
Have you gotten hooked up and started posting roll call yet?
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Day 3..Decided it was time to quit and man up. Reasoning? Well the risk, but also the amounts of money spent and wasted. Decided I could hit a baseball and accomplish the tasks without having a dip in my mouth. I hope to get this done and move on in my life. COLD TURKEY!!!
BBP
Glad you joined the forums. You are in the December quit group. Check out the welcome center link on the top of the screen. That will tell you more about the site and how to post roll call.
If you have any questions, shoot me a personal message (pm). First week sucks.
Embrace the suck!
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
gmann was hoping for; light salmon, regular salmon dark salmon
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
gmann was hoping for; light salmon, regular salmon dark salmon
I agree. Nothing is better than the salmon trifecta.
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
gmann was hoping for; light salmon, regular salmon dark salmon
I agree. Nothing is better than the salmon trifecta.
I was thinking red and black were the traditional labor day colors.
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
gmann was hoping for; light salmon, regular salmon dark salmon
I agree. Nothing is better than the salmon trifecta.
I was thinking red and black were the traditional labor day colors.
look up... how's that?
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I like it
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I like it
Looks good!
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I like it
Looks good!
Looks awesome. I really like the new branding! I'll use my winnings from the Pick 'Em to buy some stuff. Shhaaawweeeeet.
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Hey chews, can we get a labor day color change in the header?
Sure thing... what'd ya have in mind? Red/white blue?
gmann was hoping for; light salmon, regular salmon dark salmon
I agree. Nothing is better than the salmon trifecta.
I was thinking red and black were the traditional labor day colors.
look up... how's that?
Looks good. Thanks, Chewie.
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New blog post: 10K In 5Â… Can We Make It?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/10k- ... e-make-it/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/10k-in-5-can-we-make-it/)
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
Will the site asshole be in attendance? :D
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
Will the site asshole be in attendance? :D
No, lOOT is skeerd of dentists.
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
Will the site asshole be in attendance? :D
No, lOOT is skeerd of dentists.
Loot should know a dentist in a chat room us painless.
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
Will the site asshole be in attendance? :D
No, lOOT is skeerd of dentists.
Loot should know a dentist in a chat room us painless.
How about an oral surgeon who specializes in dentures for our toothless friends in Alabama, Mississippi and the like?
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Following up on the success of having a a guest in chat, KTC is ready for another guest. On Monday, September 12, 9-10 pm EST we will be joined in chat by a dentist. For all of you afraid to go to the dentist or wonder what to ask about when you get there, this will be a great opportunity. This dentist works in a somewhat rural area and sees a ton of dippers, young and old.
Mark you calendars, reminders will be put up but you will want to be there for this chat session.
Will the site asshole be in attendance? :D
No, lOOT is skeerd of dentists.
Loot should know a dentist in a chat room us painless.
How about an oral surgeon who specializes in dentures for our toothless friends in Alabama, Mississippi and the like?
Easy Mr Steers and Queers. How about a proctologist to fix the asses of those from Debbie does ghey lawyers TX?
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You want flip flops? We got flip flops...
http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/mi ... Flip-Flops (http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/misc-clothing/KTC-Logo-Flip-Flops)
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You want flip flops? We got flip flops...
http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/mi ... Flip-Flops (http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/misc-clothing/KTC-Logo-Flip-Flops)
Only if you get some KTC logo'd capris for NOLAQ, yourself LooT.
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Nice header, Chews.
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Nice header, Chews.
I agree 100%.
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Nice header, Chews.
I agree 100%.
Thanks gentlemen.
I was living in Washington DC 10 years ago. Could see the smoke from my office window. Communication in the entire city was down so I wasn't able to speak with my wife for hours to know that she was OK (she was working near the Pentagon).
10 years... wow. God bless the USA.
Let's roll...
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New blog post: Guest Chatter – Dr. Jack DDS
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/gues ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/guest-chatter-dr-jack-dds/)
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Awesome header Chew. Thanks for doing that
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Awesome header Chew. Thanks for doing that
Second
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You want flip flops? We got flip flops...
http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/mi ... Flip-Flops (http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/misc-clothing/KTC-Logo-Flip-Flops)
No F'ING WAY!!!!!!!!
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Nice header, Chews.
I agree 100%.
Thanks gentlemen.
I was living in Washington DC 10 years ago. Could see the smoke from my office window. Communication in the entire city was down so I wasn't able to speak with my wife for hours to know that she was OK (she was working near the Pentagon).
10 years... wow. God bless the USA.
Let's roll...
Bin Laden Cocktail
3 quick shots
1 splash of water
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You want flip flops? We got flip flops...
http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/mi ... Flip-Flops (http://store.killthecan.org/clothing/misc-clothing/KTC-Logo-Flip-Flops)
Only if you get some KTC logo'd capris for NOLAQ, yourself LooT.
I saw a pair of man-capri's yesterday. Of all the fashion trends, I will NEVER understand the man-Capri. And they're gaining traction (well, out here in California at least). What is this world coming to?
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Hey guys I am new to the community and I have currently been dip/tobacco/nicotin e free going on my 11th day now! I truly need a lifeline of support other then my girlfriend and family at times and that is why I joined the community!
A little about my self I just turned 23 on Sept 10, I started smoking/dipping I'd say 8 years ago but truly got heavy into it about 5 years ago!! I am truly ready to quit!! :D
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Hey guys I am new to the community and I have currently been dip/tobacco/nicotin e free going on my 11th day now! I truly need a lifeline of support other then my girlfriend and family at times and that is why I joined the community!
A little about my self I just turned 23 on Sept 10, I started smoking/dipping I'd say 8 years ago but truly got heavy into it about 5 years ago!! I am truly ready to quit!! :D
Welcome aboard!
Head over to December 2011 index.php?showtopic=5162 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5162) (which will be your HOF group) and introduce yourself and get started! Glad to have you!
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Join us LIVE in chat right now to talk with Dr. Jack DDS! http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/gues ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/guest-chatter-dr-jack-dds/)
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Join us LIVE in chat right now to talk with Dr. Jack DDS! http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/gues ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/guest-chatter-dr-jack-dds/)
Chewie/Klark - thanks for setting that up. Dr. jack posted some pretty eye opening stuff about what that crap does to our mouths.
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Join us LIVE in chat right now to talk with Dr. Jack DDS! http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/gues ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/guest-chatter-dr-jack-dds/)
Chewie/Klark - thanks for setting that up. Dr. jack posted some pretty eye opening stuff about what that crap does to our mouths.
Happy we were able to make it happen... I'm going to get a partial chat transcript posted shortly.
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Join us LIVE in chat right now to talk with Dr. Jack DDS! http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/gues ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/guest-chatter-dr-jack-dds/)
Chewie/Klark - thanks for setting that up. Dr. jack posted some pretty eye opening stuff about what that crap does to our mouths.
Glad it helped people, seems like the guest chatter's are helping out.
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We hit 1,000 fans on Facebook today! Are you a fan yet?
http://facebook.com/killthecan.org/ (http://facebook.com/killthecan.org/)
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I'm not sure where to post this. Who do I contact about site related problems? I can't join the chat room. Gives me a username/password to not match error.
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I'm not sure where to post this. Who do I contact about site related problems? I can't join the chat room. Gives me a username/password to not match error.
Not sure if this is your problem but, chat and forum are two different sites and you need to sign up for each one. Hence your username and password from this site, the forums, will not work for the chat untill you sign up.
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Not sure if this is your problem but, chat and forum are two different sites and you need to sign up for each one. Hence your username and password from this site, the forums, will not work for the chat untill you sign up.
Thank you that was it. I am able to join chat now.
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New blog post: Root 100 Product Review
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/root ... ct-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/root100-product-review/)
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New blog post: JakeÂ’s Mint Chew Announces New Cherry Flavor
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/jake ... ry-flavor/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/jakes-mint-chew-announces-new-cherry-flavor/)
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Hello everyone. My name is Cody and I have been dipping for 7 years. I have quit from time to time but always seem to go back to it. I am sick of spending all my money on it and the health related problems are even worse. I know many people who have got cancer from dip and I don't want to end up like them. My main problem is I do not know how to start quitting. Do I pick a quit date and start cutting back on dip to help with the withdrawal or whats the best way. Please comment back any suggestions.
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Hello everyone. My name is Cody and I have been dipping for 7 years. I have quit from time to time but always seem to go back to it. I am sick of spending all my money on it and the health related problems are even worse. I know many people who have got cancer from dip and I don't want to end up like them. My main problem is I do not know how to start quitting. Do I pick a quit date and start cutting back on dip to help with the withdrawal or whats the best way. Please comment back any suggestions.
csvbaseball, you should quit right now. Throw it out, flush it, whatever. You will have to join a quit group, ie: December 2011 and post roll everyday with no excuses...that is your commitment to you and the group. If you f up, admit it, take the the heat, man up, and quit again. Don't be a caver... it can be done with help from this site and its great members. you can do it, and you are taking the first step. Look thru the forums, read, and read, and read then believe....kick some nic bitch ass.
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Hello everyone. My name is Cody and I have been dipping for 7 years. I have quit from time to time but always seem to go back to it. I am sick of spending all my money on it and the health related problems are even worse. I know many people who have got cancer from dip and I don't want to end up like them. My main problem is I do not know how to start quitting. Do I pick a quit date and start cutting back on dip to help with the withdrawal or whats the best way. Please comment back any suggestions.
csvbaseball, you should quit right now. Throw it out, flush it, whatever. You will have to join a quit group, ie: December 2011 and post roll everyday with no excuses...that is your commitment to you and the group. If you f up, admit it, take the the heat, man up, and quit again. Don't be a caver... it can be done with help from this site and its great members. you can do it, and you are taking the first step. Look thru the forums, read, and read, and read then believe....kick some nic bitch ass.
+1 dforbes. Go post this question as your intro thread. You will get more support than you know what to do with. See the "WELCOME CENTER" link upper left? Read that front to back. As soon A's you flush your stash, go post day 1 in January. You can be quit today. Doesn't that excite and scare you? It did me.
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Hello everyone. My name is Cody and I have been dipping for 7 years. I have quit from time to time but always seem to go back to it. I am sick of spending all my money on it and the health related problems are even worse. I know many people who have got cancer from dip and I don't want to end up like them. My main problem is I do not know how to start quitting. Do I pick a quit date and start cutting back on dip to help with the withdrawal or whats the best way. Please comment back any suggestions.
csvbaseball, you should quit right now. Throw it out, flush it, whatever. You will have to join a quit group, ie: December 2011 and post roll everyday with no excuses...that is your commitment to you and the group. If you f up, admit it, take the the heat, man up, and quit again. Don't be a caver... it can be done with help from this site and its great members. you can do it, and you are taking the first step. Look thru the forums, read, and read, and read then believe....kick some nic bitch ass.
+1 dforbes. Go post this question as your intro thread. You will get more support than you know what to do with. See the "WELCOME CENTER" link upper left? Read that front to back. As soon A's you flush your stash, go post day 1 in January. You can be quit today. Doesn't that excite and scare you? It did me.
Cody, I replied to you then took a nap. Been a long day. Just woke up to flies buzzing around my head. I hate flies but our dog ripped the screen door. she can't see right on account of the patch. Anyway, I came to see if you posted the intro thread and nothing. Trust me, you take that little step and we will help you through. I promise. Start with an intro thread.
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Yeah. Have her come on over to Whack the Pack. I need some smokers over there to quit with me. :P
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Yeah. Have her come on over to Whack the Pack. I need some smokers over there to quit with me. :P
I sent her an email. Really hope to see her on here and WTP (KTC's sister site for smokers).
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Hey man, that's AWESOME! And yes, we know the drill all to well. Since you posted her work email and asked us to, I'll shoot her an email right now. That's fantastic!
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Hey man, that's AWESOME! And yes, we know the drill all to well. Since you posted her work email and asked us to, I'll shoot her an email right now. That's fantastic!
Email sent. Rose please stay quit. It's our revenge on Big Tobacco!
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Hey man, that's AWESOME! And yes, we know the drill all to well. Since you posted her work email and asked us to, I'll shoot her an email right now. That's fantastic!
Email sent. Rose please stay quit. It's our revenge on Big Tobacco!
Email sent as well. That's awesome Ed.
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Hey man, that's AWESOME! And yes, we know the drill all to well. Since you posted her work email and asked us to, I'll shoot her an email right now. That's fantastic!
Email sent. Rose please stay quit. It's our revenge on Big Tobacco!
Email sent as well. That's awesome Ed.
You can count on me.
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
Hey man, that's AWESOME! And yes, we know the drill all to well. Since you posted her work email and asked us to, I'll shoot her an email right now. That's fantastic!
Email sent. Rose please stay quit. It's our revenge on Big Tobacco!
Email sent as well. That's awesome Ed.
You can count on me.
While you'r at it get her to join our compnaion site - Whack the Pack.com
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
email sent
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
email sent
Email Sent as well!!! I will be looking forward to seeing her post up at WhackThePack.com!!! Quitters Rock!!!
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Last day for special pricing on Milestone Chips! http://store.killthecan.org/milestone-chips (http://store.killthecan.org/milestone-chips)
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New blog post: Recap – Chat With Dr. Jack DDS
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/reca ... -jack-dds/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/recap-chat-with-dr-jack-dds/)
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Really getting hit hard, 2nd day without dip and no nicotine at all. Need some serious support right now.
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Really getting hit hard, 2nd day without dip and no nicotine at all. Need some serious support right now.
You're in the right place...
Head over to your home group: Jan 2012L index.php?showtopic=5270 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5270)
Or on Facebook: http://facebook.com/killthecan.org (http://facebook.com/killthecan.org)
Or live chat: http://chat.killthecan.org/ (http://chat.killthecan.org/)
Of if you prefer send me a PM and I'll give you a call....
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Really getting hit hard, 2nd day without dip and no nicotine at all. Need some serious support right now.
You're in the right place...
Head over to your home group: Jan 2012L index.php?showtopic=5270 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5270)
Or on Facebook: http://facebook.com/killthecan.org (http://facebook.com/killthecan.org)
Or live chat: http://chat.killthecan.org/ (http://chat.killthecan.org/)
Of if you prefer send me a PM and I'll give you a call....
Break it into smaller increments. Go the next 20 minutes and then the next 20 and so on. You CAN do this. Yes it will suck for a bit but it will be so f'ing worth it. You made your promise. I suspect you are a man of your word. Check your inbox (1).
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Really getting hit hard, 2nd day without dip and no nicotine at all. Need some serious support right now.
This is why it is called the "suck". Drink lots of water and do whatever it takes not to chew. Eat seeds, jerky, hard candy, straws, tooth picks, fake chew.
The good news is that you only have to go through the suck once, unless you cave. Remember how you feel right now so in 30 days when your quit seems much easier, you will know the pain and suffering you will have to go through if you cave.
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Really getting hit hard, 2nd day without dip and no nicotine at all. Need some serious support right now.
Hang in there bro. It's worth every bit of the suffering right now.
Drink as much water and other fluids as you possibly can.
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Hell Yeah the first few days SUCK...
Like Trig said, drink as much water as you can and chew on something other than nicotine.
These craves will get less frequent over time. Don't give in now brother.
PM me if you need a phone number dude. Do you have any numbers?
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Fight like hell, because the pasture really is greener on this side!!!
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Hell Yeah the first few days SUCK...
Like Trig said, drink as much water as you can and chew on something other than nicotine.
These craves will get less frequent over time. Don't give in now brother.
PM me if you need a phone number dude. Do you have any numbers?
Nope I don't have any numbers, I went to the gym and have been drinking tons, I'm going strong I can get by this.
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Hell Yeah the first few days SUCK...
Like Trig said, drink as much water as you can and chew on something other than nicotine.
These craves will get less frequent over time. Don't give in now brother.
PM me if you need a phone number dude. Do you have any numbers?
Nope I don't have any numbers, I went to the gym and have been drinking tons, I'm going strong I can get by this.
goo shit!! Goo Shit!
Man I just love the way this site works!
Hang tough Dipo!
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Hell Yeah the first few days SUCK...
Like Trig said, drink as much water as you can and chew on something other than nicotine.
These craves will get less frequent over time. Don't give in now brother.
PM me if you need a phone number dude. Do you have any numbers?
Nope I don't have any numbers, I went to the gym and have been drinking tons, I'm going strong I can get by this.
Get yourself some numbers. I'm at day 106 and a phone call yesterday from one of my September brothers made my quit much stronger.
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Thanks for everything folks... I appreciate it more than you know!
http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/10/thou ... 9th-floor/ (http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/10/thoughts-from-the-19th-floor/)
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New blog post: KTC Members In The Aurora, Colorado Area - Can You Help?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/ktc- ... -you-help/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/ktc-members-in-the-aurora-colorado-area-can-you-help/)
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New blog post: Jake's Mint Chew - Cherry
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/jake ... ew-cherry/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/jakes-mint-chew-cherry/)
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New blog post: Going… Going… Gone…
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/going-going-gone/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/going-going-gone/)
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C'mon in and get your QUIT on!
Plenty of quitters here to help you through those tough days.
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C'mon in and get your QUIT on!
Plenty of quitters here to help you through those tough days.
Ain't that the truth!
Where else can you find 9,000 + people who know EXACTLY what you're dealing with?
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Just a quick observation. If you've been around here for more than 5 minutes, you should have noticed by now as you poke around that the majority of us believe in the power of a positive, can't fail, won't fail attitude. Simply stated, there is no TRY, we DO.
With that said, why do so many quitters here choose a self-defeating user name? I'm just curious. "Hi, my handle is CopeLover....". Or KodiakAddict4Life.
Damn. If you're gonna pick a name that relates to your addiction, why not pick something like "GrizzKiller". Or "SkoalSucks". 90% of the quit is mental. Why not keep everything about it positive?
Just something I've noticed.
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Just a quick observation. If you've been around here for more than 5 minutes, you should have noticed by now as you poke around that the majority of us believe in the power of a positive, can't fail, won't fail attitude. Simply stated, there is no TRY, we DO.
With that said, why do so many quitters here choose a self-defeating user name? I'm just curious. "Hi, my handle is CopeLover....". Or KodiakAddict4Life.
Damn. If you're gonna pick a name that relates to your addiction, why not pick something like "GrizzKiller". Or "SkoalSucks". 90% of the quit is mental. Why not keep everything about it positive?
Just something I've noticed.
it's definitely an interesting thing that i've noticed too.
the only thing i can think of is that we, as addicts, associated ourselves with dip for so long that it became a part of who we were at the very core of our being... so it would be unusual for someone coming here to "think of a name to go by" that didn't have something to do with dip in it (especially in a room full of anonymous fellow dippers for the ninjas like me).
i think it'd be hard to see that username over and over again every day for years, but it might work as a painful reminder of who they WERE that allows them to never forget their quit.
dchogs (or maybe i should now be GoToFuckingHellGrizz)
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Just a quick observation. If you've been around here for more than 5 minutes, you should have noticed by now as you poke around that the majority of us believe in the power of a positive, can't fail, won't fail attitude. Simply stated, there is no TRY, we DO.
With that said, why do so many quitters here choose a self-defeating user name? I'm just curious. "Hi, my handle is CopeLover....". Or KodiakAddict4Life.Â
Damn. If you're gonna pick a name that relates to your addiction, why not pick something like "GrizzKiller". Or "SkoalSucks". 90% of the quit is mental. Why not keep everything about it positive?
Just something I've noticed.
it's definitely an interesting thing that i've noticed too.
the only thing i can think of is that we, as addicts, associated ourselves with dip for so long that it became a part of who we were at the very core of our being... so it would be unusual for someone coming here to "think of a name to go by" that didn't have something to do with dip in it (especially in a room full of anonymous fellow dippers for the ninjas like me).
i think it'd be hard to see that username over and over again every day for years, but it might work as a painful reminder of who they WERE that allows them to never forget their quit.
dchogs (or maybe i should now be GoToFuckingHellGrizz)
It's a fascinating topic, and honestly one that I've never thought of before.
IU - Indiana University
chewie - dude that dips, Star Wars lover, etc...
As Dchogs points out, for many quitters (myself included) dipping was not only a part of our daily life, but also defined WHO we were. Not a good thing, but a fact nonetheless. As I've said before, I have people who I went to school with that quite literally don't know my real name. Certainly nothing to be proud of... just an observation.
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New blog post: Hooch Snuff Review (Chattahoochee Herbal Snuff)
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/)
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Just a quick observation. If you've been around here for more than 5 minutes, you should have noticed by now as you poke around that the majority of us believe in the power of a positive, can't fail, won't fail attitude. Simply stated, there is no TRY, we DO.
With that said, why do so many quitters here choose a self-defeating user name? I'm just curious. "Hi, my handle is CopeLover....". Or KodiakAddict4Life.Â
Damn. If you're gonna pick a name that relates to your addiction, why not pick something like "GrizzKiller". Or "SkoalSucks". 90% of the quit is mental. Why not keep everything about it positive?
Just something I've noticed.
it's definitely an interesting thing that i've noticed too.
the only thing i can think of is that we, as addicts, associated ourselves with dip for so long that it became a part of who we were at the very core of our being... so it would be unusual for someone coming here to "think of a name to go by" that didn't have something to do with dip in it (especially in a room full of anonymous fellow dippers for the ninjas like me).
i think it'd be hard to see that username over and over again every day for years, but it might work as a painful reminder of who they WERE that allows them to never forget their quit.
dchogs (or maybe i should now be GoToFuckingHellGrizz)
It's a fascinating topic, and honestly one that I've never thought of before.
IU - Indiana University
chewie - dude that dips, Star Wars lover, etc...
As Dchogs points out, for many quitters (myself included) dipping was not only a part of our daily life, but also defined WHO we were. Not a good thing, but a fact nonetheless. As I've said before, I have people who I went to school with that quite literally don't know my real name. Certainly nothing to be proud of... just an observation.
Good points, gentlemen. I could really care less....but a cave by someone recently with such a handle got me wondering if it was part of a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
It matters none.....quit is quit!
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1 (http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-10-28/Program-urges-smokers-switch-to-smokeless-tobacco/50979410/1)
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Not sure where to jump in on this forum.. new guy here, ready.
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Just a quick observation. If you've been around here for more than 5 minutes, you should have noticed by now as you poke around that the majority of us believe in the power of a positive, can't fail, won't fail attitude. Simply stated, there is no TRY, we DO.
With that said, why do so many quitters here choose a self-defeating user name? I'm just curious. "Hi, my handle is CopeLover....". Or KodiakAddict4Life.Â
Damn. If you're gonna pick a name that relates to your addiction, why not pick something like "GrizzKiller". Or "SkoalSucks". 90% of the quit is mental. Why not keep everything about it positive?
Just something I've noticed.
it's definitely an interesting thing that i've noticed too.
the only thing i can think of is that we, as addicts, associated ourselves with dip for so long that it became a part of who we were at the very core of our being... so it would be unusual for someone coming here to "think of a name to go by" that didn't have something to do with dip in it (especially in a room full of anonymous fellow dippers for the ninjas like me).
i think it'd be hard to see that username over and over again every day for years, but it might work as a painful reminder of who they WERE that allows them to never forget their quit.
dchogs (or maybe i should now be GoToFuckingHellGrizz)
It's a fascinating topic, and honestly one that I've never thought of before.
IU - Indiana University
chewie - dude that dips, Star Wars lover, etc...
As Dchogs points out, for many quitters (myself included) dipping was not only a part of our daily life, but also defined WHO we were. Not a good thing, but a fact nonetheless. As I've said before, I have people who I went to school with that quite literally don't know my real name. Certainly nothing to be proud of... just an observation.
Good points, gentlemen. I could really care less....but a cave by someone recently with such a handle got me wondering if it was part of a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
It matters none.....quit is quit!
Dude ... I always got the " Hairy Star Wars Geek " part of Chewie ...
never new you used to dip ...... 'crackup'
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Not sure where to jump in on this forum.. new guy here, ready.
River - couple of things...
1) Click the "Welcome Center" link at the top left - it will lead you down the right path as far as posting roll.
2) Click on the Introduction thread and introduce yourself and give us some background on yourself.
If you have any questions, jump into Live Chat or feel free to send me a private message.
Good luck and welcome.
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1 (http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-10-28/Program-urges-smokers-switch-to-smokeless-tobacco/50979410/1)
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???
A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1 (http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-10-28/Program-urges-smokers-switch-to-smokeless-tobacco/50979410/1)
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???
A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".
Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.
Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!
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For other uses, see Redman (disambiguation).
Red Man
Type Private
Industry Chewing Tobacco
Founded 1904
Headquarters Owensboro, Kentucky, USA
Website Redman.com
Red Man is a leading brand of chewing tobacco in the United States, produced since 1904.[1] Red Man has traditionally come as leaf tobacco, in contrast to twist chewing tobacco or the ground tobacco used in snuff, and became a leader in that form of oral/dental/mouth tobacco. It is made by the Pinkerton Tobacco company of Owensboro, Kentucky. In 1985, Pinkerton was acquired by a Swedish corporation, and after further corporate reshuffling, the Red Man brand now falls under the umbrella of the Swedish Match company, which in turn is owned primarily by institutional investors. The proportion owned by non-Swedish investors is approximately 80%.[2]
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Whos funding this research? Telling people to switch to Smokless?!?!?!
REDMAN!!!!!
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In the midst of all of the BS, there is one nugget of truth: the article says this about smokeless:
"If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."
Now that I can agree with.
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1 (http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-10-28/Program-urges-smokers-switch-to-smokeless-tobacco/50979410/1)
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???
A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".
Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.
Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!
The end of the article says this:
"They are probably safer than conventional cigarettes, if for no other reason than you're not burning anything, you're not smoking anything, you're not inhaling any smoke," he said.
"If you compare it to conventional cigarettes, they're probably a little bit better. If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."
Unfortunately the issue comes down to the lesser of two evils for a very MISINFORMED public. How is "our" system to be disseminated? "Cold turkey" to most is an unrealistic method of quitting. No doubt, KTC and its methods WORK - but for ME utilizing the tools here, there is no way I could have quit cold turkey. So, for people who have not been introduced to our hardcore and extreme method will view their only option as going to a "lesser of two evils". I am willing to bet that a poll taken of all KTC members would almost unanimously state that "cold turkey" was unrealistic prior to finding this place.
This place is phenomenal and works SUPERBLY for me and everyone else here but for some, it may not. Some either lack the fortitude or just could not live among the extreme methods (lots of cursing, gay jokes, etc.). This is unfortunate because hands down, THIS way works. Certainly the ONLY way that I have reached 94 days. I think it takes a certain type of individual to succeed here. To some, the approach here may seem offensive...cliche but true, they can't see the forest for the trees. For example, on the KTC Facebook page there was a church minister or something other and he commented how he was offended by some comment that someone made and would not visit KTC - so he'll just continue to dip because he didn't like how someone said "God damn".
I truly wish there was a way to disseminate this method to more people - to save more lives - to inform folks that there is a BETTER method than just selecting the lesser of two evils.
Anyway, I think I started going off on a tangent there but you get the point.
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1 (http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-10-28/Program-urges-smokers-switch-to-smokeless-tobacco/50979410/1)
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???
A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".
Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.
Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!
The end of the article says this:
"They are probably safer than conventional cigarettes, if for no other reason than you're not burning anything, you're not smoking anything, you're not inhaling any smoke," he said.
"If you compare it to conventional cigarettes, they're probably a little bit better. If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."
Unfortunately the issue comes down to the lesser of two evils for a very MISINFORMED public. How is "our" system to be disseminated? "Cold turkey" to most is an unrealistic method of quitting. No doubt, KTC and its methods WORK - but for ME utilizing the tools here, there is no way I could have quit cold turkey. So, for people who have not been introduced to our hardcore and extreme method will view their only option as going to a "lesser of two evils". I am willing to bet that a poll taken of all KTC members would almost unanimously state that "cold turkey" was unrealistic prior to finding this place.
This place is phenomenal and works SUPERBLY for me and everyone else here but for some, it may not. Some either lack the fortitude or just could not live among the extreme methods (lots of cursing, gay jokes, etc.). This is unfortunate because hands down, THIS way works. Certainly the ONLY way that I have reached 94 days. I think it takes a certain type of individual to succeed here. To some, the approach here may seem offensive...cliche but true, they can't see the forest for the trees. For example, on the KTC Facebook page there was a church minister or something other and he commented how he was offended by some comment that someone made and would not visit KTC - so he'll just continue to dip because he didn't like how someone said "God damn".
I truly wish there was a way to disseminate this method to more people - to save more lives - to inform folks that there is a BETTER method than just selecting the lesser of two evils.
Anyway, I think I started going off on a tangent there but you get the point.
Anyone who spends enough time reading on this site will come to understand that all of the excuses we gave ourselves to continue using were nothing but addict lies. That's truth number 1.
The second truth we learn is that nicotine is only good at keeping us from feeling the effects of not using nicotine. Nicotine never helped us do _______ better. It simply made us not go through nicotine withdrawals while we were doing _________. This has been said by many others and much more eloquently, but it's the truth.
The third truth we learn here is that cold turkey is the best and only proven way to actually quit today. Anything less is a future quit and doesn't mean jack sh*. It's easy to talk a big game with nicotine flowing through your body.
The fourth truth is that every single addict has it within himself/herself to quit cold turkey. It's possible. It's hard, but it's possible. It's also very necessary if you want to stop damaging your body and at least begin reducing your chances from cancers caused by tobacco use.
After the first day I spent reading on this site, I knew all of these things to be true. I still didn't quit that day, but I was convicted and knew what I needed to do even if I was too scared to make the leap. I was an idiot for putting off quitting for one more second.
If you're still using nicotine and you're here reading this, I challenge you to invest time in reading as much as you can on this site. We know more than any doctor or any "study." We've been to hell and back and are here to present the good word that you can quit cold turkey and you can come out on the other side knowing that the initial pain and discomfort was well worth the price of admission for a nicotine free existence.
Make the decision today. There is absolutely no reason to ever ingest nicotine again.
By the way, OUTSTANDING work on the header today, Chews. You da man.
'clap'
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New blog post: Celebrate 5 Years Of KillTheCan.org
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/cele ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/celebrate-5-years-of-killthecan-org/)
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New blog post: Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/violent-content-on-killthecan-org/)
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New blog post: Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/violent-content-on-killthecan-org/)
I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man
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New blog post:Â Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/violent-content-on-killthecan-org/)
I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man
I agree 30. Chewie marries both a passion to help quitters avoid death and cancer and an almost a stoic objectivity in making decisions on the use of this site as well as this particular advertisement policy as an example.
You have great judgement Chewie. I know when we all get pissed at a particular quitter, like say DO5, you seem to be the calming force with great judgment. Proud to quit with you. Thanks for the site.
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New blog post:Â Â Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/violent-content-on-killthecan-org/)
I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man
I agree 30. Chewie marries both a passion to help quitters avoid death and cancer and an almost a stoic objectivity in making decisions on the use of this site as well as this particular advertisement policy as an example.
You have great judgement Chewie. I know when we all get pissed at a particular quitter, like say DO5, you seem to be the calming force with great judgment. Proud to quit with you. Thanks for the site.
Thanks for the kind words gentlemen. Very much appreciated.
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New Quit4Today post: Ready To Roll – Packed Heavy
http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/11/read ... ked-heavy/ (http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/11/ready-to-roll-packed-heavy/)
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We would be HONORED to have any and all (quit) veterans of U.S. Armed Forces post above the line with us in May 2011 today (link in the signature, but you know we are post whores and always at/near the top anyway).
Thank you for your service, dedication, and sacrifices.
'usflag' 'army' 'usflag'
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New blog post: Poconos 2011 - The Morning After
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/poco ... ing-after/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/poconos-2011-the-morning-after/)
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A good ruling from a Judge in New York: Judge Upholds Ban on Flavored Dip (http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArticleNY.jsp?id=1202532829501&Judge_Turns_Aside_Challenge_to_City_Ban_on_Flavored_Tobacco&slreturn=1)
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A good ruling from a Judge in New York: Judge Upholds Ban on Flavored Dip (http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArticleNY.jsp?id=1202532829501&Judge_Turns_Aside_Challenge_to_City_Ban_on_Flavored_Tobacco&slreturn=1)
I love seeing UST get kicked in the nuts every once in a while. Fuck them and the cart they rode in on.
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A good ruling from a Judge in New York:Â Judge Upholds Ban on Flavored Dip (http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArticleNY.jsp?id=1202532829501&Judge_Turns_Aside_Challenge_to_City_Ban_on_Flavored_Tobacco&slreturn=1)
I love seeing UST get kicked in the nuts every once in a while. Fuck them and the cart they rode in on.
Can't wait till they ban tobacco-flavored tobacco.
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MLB players cant keep tins in their unis (http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=7272845)
this is a good thing... not a pity.
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MLB players cant keep tins in their unis (http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=7272845)
this is a good thing... not a pity.
Three cheers for Tony Batista!!!!
'clap' 'clap' 'clap'
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9,960 Members as of today.
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
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9,960 Members as of today.
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
Thanks for the props my man, but I'm just one of many that makes this place run...
Onward to 10,000!!!
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New blog post: So Much To Be Thankful For
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/so-m ... nkful-for/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/so-much-to-be-thankful-for/)
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Thinking about quitting the Grizz tonight. I've chewed since I was in the 7th grade and I'm 39 yrs old now. I chew about a can every 4-5 days. I justify my chewing by only chewing at night after kids go to bed but last few years I've been falling asleep with a chew in almost nightly. I think it's ok to chew because I only do it at night. How do I get over this hump?
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Thinking about quitting the Grizz tonight. I've chewed since I was in the 7th grade and I'm 39 yrs old now. I chew about a can every 4-5 days. I justify my chewing by only chewing at night after kids go to bed but last few years I've been falling asleep with a chew in almost nightly. I think it's ok to chew because I only do it at night. How do I get over this hump?
Stop thinking... start quitting. There will NEVER be a "good" time to quit.
You've taken the first step... you're here and you're posting. Start reading. Here are some my personal favorites:
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/jennykern.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/jennykern.asp)
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/chewie01.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/chewie01.asp)
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/thefog.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/thefog.asp)
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/100benefits.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/100benefits.asp)
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/potential.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/potential.asp)
You CAN do this. You're among nearly 10,000 people that actually understand what you're about to go through cause we've all been there.
However, I'll warn you. We don't "try" to quit here... we quit. We don't "hope"... we know.
WHEN you're ready you'll have more support and help than you'll know what to do with.
Decision time.
chewie
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Last day for BIG anniversary month savings!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/cele ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/celebrate-5-years-of-killthecan-org/)
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9,960 Members as of today.Â
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
Thanks for the props my man, but I'm just one of many that makes this place run...
Onward to 10,000!!!
9,992...
'clap'
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Last day for BIG anniversary month savings!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/cele ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/celebrate-5-years-of-killthecan-org/)
thanks for the remememberer!
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9,960 Members as of today.Â
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
Thanks for the props my man, but I'm just one of many that makes this place run...
Onward to 10,000!!!
9,992...
'clap'
While this is a great achievement to reach, I have always questioned numbers that show how many people are members.
The real number would be how many of the 10K are really posting and interacting every day. ;)
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9,960 Members as of today.Â
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
Thanks for the props my man, but I'm just one of many that makes this place run...
Onward to 10,000!!!
9,992...
'clap'
While this is a great achievement to reach, I have always questioned numbers that show how many people are members.
The real number would be how many of the 10K are really posting and interacting every day. ;)
10.006!!!! 'oh yeah'
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9,960 Members as of today.Â
We're getting so close to 10,000!
Thank you Chewie!
Thanks for the props my man, but I'm just one of many that makes this place run...
Onward to 10,000!!!
9,992...
'clap'
While this is a great achievement to reach, I have always questioned numbers that show how many people are members.
The real number would be how many of the 10K are really posting and interacting every day. ;)
10.006!!!! 'oh yeah'
Since we've hit that milestone, how many active members do we have?
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Since we've hit that milestone, how many active members do we have?
Believe it or not it's actually difficult to answer that question...
Unfortunately I can't do any sort of queries around how often folks are "active" here on the site.
The best I can say is that in 2011 we've averaged 7,217 "unique" visitors to the forums per month. I can't make the jump and say there are 7,200 "active" users per month cause quite frankly I think that'd be high but that's why my analytics tell me.
The other problem is how we define "active". Is that the number of people that post roll every single day? Once a week? Once a month?
If someone put a gun to my head and asked for a number, I'd say the number of active users is somewhere between 5,000 and that 7,200 number. Best (educated) guess.
Even at that number, that still puts our "active" user group larger the the TOTAL user group of other sites out there!
KTC Represent
chewie
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New blog post: KTC Goes 10,000 Strong!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/ktc- ... 00-strong/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/ktc-goes-10000-strong/)
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Since we've hit that milestone, how many active members do we have?
Believe it or not it's actually difficult to answer that question...
Unfortunately I can't do any sort of queries around how often folks are "active" here on the site.
The best I can say is that in 2011 we've averaged 7,217 "unique" visitors to the forums per month. I can't make the jump and say there are 7,200 "active" users per month cause quite frankly I think that'd be high but that's why my analytics tell me.
The other problem is how we define "active". Is that the number of people that post roll every single day? Once a week? Once a month?
If someone put a gun to my head and asked for a number, I'd say the number of active users is somewhere between 5,000 and that 7,200 number. Best (educated) guess.
Even at that number, that still puts our "active" user group larger the the TOTAL user group of other sites out there!
KTC Represent
chewie
Out-Fucking-Standing!
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Since we've hit that milestone, how many active members do we have?
Believe it or not it's actually difficult to answer that question...
Unfortunately I can't do any sort of queries around how often folks are "active" here on the site.
The best I can say is that in 2011 we've averaged 7,217 "unique" visitors to the forums per month. I can't make the jump and say there are 7,200 "active" users per month cause quite frankly I think that'd be high but that's why my analytics tell me.
The other problem is how we define "active". Is that the number of people that post roll every single day? Once a week? Once a month?
If someone put a gun to my head and asked for a number, I'd say the number of active users is somewhere between 5,000 and that 7,200 number. Best (educated) guess.
Even at that number, that still puts our "active" user group larger the the TOTAL user group of other sites out there!
KTC Represent
chewie
Out-Fucking-Standing!
That is outstanding and exactly what I was looking to see. That tells me and others who know, this site works.
Let's all understand the number of members is one thing but those who keep coming here day after day, posting role and staying quit it what it is all about!!!
:D
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Since we've hit that milestone, how many active members do we have?
Believe it or not it's actually difficult to answer that question...
Unfortunately I can't do any sort of queries around how often folks are "active" here on the site.
The best I can say is that in 2011 we've averaged 7,217 "unique" visitors to the forums per month. I can't make the jump and say there are 7,200 "active" users per month cause quite frankly I think that'd be high but that's why my analytics tell me.
The other problem is how we define "active". Is that the number of people that post roll every single day? Once a week? Once a month?
If someone put a gun to my head and asked for a number, I'd say the number of active users is somewhere between 5,000 and that 7,200 number. Best (educated) guess.
Even at that number, that still puts our "active" user group larger the the TOTAL user group of other sites out there!
KTC Represent
chewie
Out-Fucking-Standing!
That is outstanding and exactly what I was looking to see. That tells me and others who know, this site works.
Let's all understand the number of members is one thing but those who keep coming here day after day, posting role and staying quit it what it is all about!!!
:D
So, another dumb question from a computer neget.
If we have 10,000 registered members, why are member numbers over 12,000?
'Popcorn'
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Had my last dip last night. I recycyled that chew 3 times, as it was the last grizz I had. So from 6 - 11 pm or so last night I had put and pulled that dip out of my mouth several times. I threw it away before bed last night.
I have been tempted to go to the store today to grab a can. The thoughts of "oh I should quit next week" are already entering my mind. I am going to try to work out and go on extra long walks with the dog to stay active and away from it.
It will be strange to go on a long drive without it. after lunch today was hard. I can only imagine what it will be like by softball next spring. Things you do with a dip in. Thats only a few!
Anyway I may pick up a can of the fake stuff....any buddy try that? Hear its like tar, otherwise I will go with beef jerky cans.
Wish me luck!
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Had my last dip last night. I recycyled that chew 3 times, as it was the last grizz I had. So from 6 - 11 pm or so last night I had put and pulled that dip out of my mouth several times. I threw it away before bed last night.
I have been tempted to go to the store today to grab a can. The thoughts of "oh I should quit next week" are already entering my mind. I am going to try to work out and go on extra long walks with the dog to stay active and away from it.Â
It will be strange to go on a long drive without it. after lunch today was hard. I can only imagine what it will be like by softball next spring. Things you do with a dip in. Thats only a few!
Anyway I may pick up a can of the fake stuff....any buddy try that? Hear its like tar, otherwise I will go with beef jerky cans.
Wish me luck!
nope fake is not like tar- I chewed grizzly green -Hooch wintergreen was more than acceptable to me...I chewed it for 250 days. Other folks like Smokey Mountain, which can be had at WalMart.
As far as luck- your quit has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with balls and brotherhood. Do you have the balls to decide to quit? If so hop on board this crazy train of quit, and never look back....To get started read all of the WELCOME CENTER on your top left. Then stop on over and post roll in March 2012 found here (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5516&st=0)
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/diss ... o-14583752 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/dissolvable-tobacco-tested-colorado-14583752)
Evil bastards! making new ways to kill people...That bastard had a smirk on his face when he was asked if RJ was going to remove the product...:angry:
A whole new way to hook the next generation! 'bang head'
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Had my last dip last night.� I recycyled that chew 3 times, as it was the last grizz I had.� So from 6 - 11 pm or so last night I had put and pulled that dip out of my mouth several times.� I threw it away before bed last night.
I have been tempted to go to the store today to grab a can.� The thoughts of "oh I should quit next week" are already entering my mind.� I am going to try to work out and go on extra long walks with the dog to stay active and away from it.�
It will be strange to go on a long drive without it.� after lunch today was hard.� I can only imagine what it will be like by softball next spring.� Things you do with a dip in.� Thats only a few!
Anyway I may pick up a can of the fake stuff....any buddy try that?� Hear its like tar, otherwise I will go with beef jerky cans.
Wish me luck!
nope fake is not like tar- I chewed grizzly green -Hooch wintergreen was more than acceptable to me...I chewed it for 250 days. Other folks like Smokey Mountain, which can be had at WalMart.
As far as luck- your quit has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with balls and brotherhood. Do you have the balls to decide to quit? If so hop on board this crazy train of quit, and never look back....To get started read all of the WELCOME CENTER on your top left. Then stop on over and post roll in March 2012 found here (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5516&st=0)
Nope... definitely not like tar. In fact, some of them are quite outstanding: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp)
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Guys, will you please help my wife? I am SO proud of her... today will be her day 3 of no smoking after 25 years and she's scared to death! She's been crying, not sleeping well... you know
I want to send her as much support as possible from people who know what she's going through. let's suprise her and blow up her work email today with some encouragement. Will you help me with this?
Her name is Rose #PM ED FOR EMAIL#
thanks!
ok ed i'm callin you out. we saw rose lurkin but not postin roll since you two went to mexico. and she doesnt respond to texts from some a the folks at whack neether. most a us can put 2 adn 2 togerther. man the whack folks can only support so much but your rite fuckin there.
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New blog post: Grinds Coffee Pouches Review
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/grin ... es-review/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/grinds-coffee-pouches-review/)
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I just joined killthecan.org and went my first day without dip yesterday. This is my second day and it absolutely sucks. I couldn't get out of bed this morning and am so pissed because I have to work, i would be looking forward to it if i had a can in my pocket!!! But I don't and want to kick this 5 year habit, i am done with it. Here we go day 2!
P.S-- I now know what the "fog" is. My head hurts and feel so clouded. What is the best alternative?? And has anybody heard of "Blue Whale?" :blink:
mploft
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I just joined killthecan.org and went my first day without dip yesterday. This is my second day and it absolutely sucks. I couldn't get out of bed this morning and am so pissed because I have to work, i would be looking forward to it if i had a can in my pocket!!! But I don't and want to kick this 5 year habit, i am done with it. Here we go day 2!
P.S-- I now know what the "fog" is. My head hurts and feel so clouded. What is the best alternative?? And has anybody heard of "Blue Whale?" :blink:
mploft
Stay FAR away from "Blue Whale" - it contains nicotine.
There's a whole SLEW of good alternatives out there.
Coupons can be found here: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp)
Reviews here: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp)
Welcome aboard!
chewie
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Hey Everyone,
I'm a little lost on the site. I'm a 40 year old female who has dipped for the better part of 25 years. I have wanted to get rid of it for years, but have always just felt way to weak and out of control. I am seeking a female dipper or ex dipper for support. Could someone please lead me in the right direction. Thank you very much.
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Hey Everyone,
I'm a little lost on the site. I'm a 40 year old female who has dipped for the better part of 25 years. I have wanted to get rid of it for years, but have always just felt way to weak and out of control. I am seeking a female dipper or ex dipper for support. Could someone please lead me in the right direction. Thank you very much.
Hello Erica!!! I am SamCat...Cathy!!! I am also a 40yr old female Nicotene Addict. I say that cuz I have Quit Smoking using this Site and have a wealth of information that could possibly help you!!! I'd love to talk to you if you want my help or Support!!! I am here to tell you that you are NOT too weak to do this and you will NOT be alone on this Journey!!! I am sending you my phone number through PM...please feel free to call me!!! Today is the PERFECT day to take your Life back!!!
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I am looking for a post I read called something like "My cave story" his mother had died I wanted my mom to read it but cant find it now
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I am looking for a post I read called something like "My cave story" his mother had died I wanted my mom to read it but cant find it now
It's been moved into "The Cave" index.php?showtopic=132 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=132)
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
Welcome sir,
check your inbox(1)
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
Welcome. Great decision to quit. Check out the WELCOME CENTER link above. It will tell you about posting roll and why we do it. I hope you will read about the site and then join the March 2011 group and begin posting with other quitters who are in the fog with you at this very moment.
Yell if you need anything. Good to be quit with you.
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
Welcome. Great decision to quit. Check out the WELCOME CENTER link above. It will tell you about posting roll and why we do it. I hope you will read about the site and then join the March 2011 group and begin posting with other quitters who are in the fog with you at this very moment.
Yell if you need anything. Good to be quit with you.
March 2012, not 2011... _
Sheesh...new Mods...
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
Welcome. Great decision to quit. Check out the WELCOME CENTER link above. It will tell you about posting roll and why we do it. I hope you will read about the site and then join the March 2011 group and begin posting with other quitters who are in the fog with you at this very moment.
Yell if you need anything. Good to be quit with you.
March 2012, not 2011... _
Sheesh...new Mods...
'crackup'
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After 20 years of packing my lip every day, I'm in the fog on day 8.
Welcome. Great decision to quit. Check out the WELCOME CENTER link above. It will tell you about posting roll and why we do it. I hope you will read about the site and then join the March 2011 group and begin posting with other quitters who are in the fog with you at this very moment.
Yell if you need anything. Good to be quit with you.
March 2012, not 2011... _
Sheesh...new Mods...
'crackup'
I'm just happy I didn't link him to March 2011.
By the way, apparently this was not during the 2.6 hours 30 is not logged onto KTC per day. You will note that 30 got it all squared away and Mr. Ranman made it to March 12 and posted yesterday.
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I am a 46 year old guy who has dipped on and off for 25 years -- started when I played ball and wrestled and then continued while in the Army. I used to be able to go long (weeks or even months) periods without dipping and them dip every day when in the field or deployed without a problem. My real problem happened after my last overseas deployment in the stan .... when I came home I could not quit. Really, I did not want to especially after leaving the Army. The dip seems like my connection to my former life that seems so distant and different than the reality of the real world. I have justified my dipping to be my connection to my past, to my brothers who are still in the fight etc. etc. Reading the stories on your site makes me realize the truth ... I am an addict to this stuff and I must stop. So, I am planning my break -- I would like to try some non tobacco alternative and perhaps mix it with my drug of choice (skoal cherry) ... I tried Smokey Mountain several years back and it did not do it for me. I have always wished that somebody could just make something with the same taste and feel .... that would sure be nice. A friend has suggested nicorete .... I would really like to hear advice from people who have succeeded in this challenge. Thanks very much. 'help'
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I am a 46 year old guy who has dipped on and off for 25 years -- started when I played ball and wrestled and then continued while in the Army. I used to be able to go long (weeks or even months) periods without dipping and them dip every day when in the field or deployed without a problem. My real problem happened after my last overseas deployment in the stan .... when I came home I could not quit. Really, I did not want to especially after leaving the Army. The dip seems like my connection to my former life that seems so distant and different than the reality of the real world. I have justified my dipping to be my connection to my past, to my brothers who are still in the fight etc. etc. Reading the stories on your site makes me realize the truth ... I am an addict to this stuff and I must stop. So, I am planning my break -- I would like to try some non tobacco alternative and perhaps mix it with my drug of choice (skoal cherry) ... I tried Smokey Mountain several years back and it did not do it for me. I have always wished that somebody could just make something with the same taste and feel .... that would sure be nice. A friend has suggested nicorete .... I would really like to hear advice from people who have succeeded in this challenge. Thanks very much. 'help'
MattW,
44 years old- dipped for 33 years...The bad news: there is no way around going through nicotine withdrawal: You can certainly delay it...or prolong it...but sooner or later you have to go through it to quit...That is why we are a cold turkey site. I threw all my dip in the garbage back on Feb 13...ordered in some hooch herbal snuff (the cherry does taste like cherry skoal to me) Posted roll here and quit one day at a time.
Check your inbox (1)
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I am a 46 year old guy who has dipped on and off for 25 years -- started when I played ball and wrestled and then continued while in the Army. I used to be able to go long (weeks or even months) periods without dipping and them dip every day when in the field or deployed without a problem. My real problem happened after my last overseas deployment in the stan .... when I came home I could not quit. Really, I did not want to especially after leaving the Army. The dip seems like my connection to my former life that seems so distant and different than the reality of the real world. I have justified my dipping to be my connection to my past, to my brothers who are still in the fight etc. etc. Reading the stories on your site makes me realize the truth ... I am an addict to this stuff and I must stop. So, I am planning my break -- I would like to try some non tobacco alternative and perhaps mix it with my drug of choice (skoal cherry) ... I tried Smokey Mountain several years back and it did not do it for me. I have always wished that somebody could just make something with the same taste and feel .... that would sure be nice. A friend has suggested nicorete .... I would really like to hear advice from people who have succeeded in this challenge. Thanks very much. 'help'
MattW,
44 years old- dipped for 33 years...The bad news: there is no way around going through nicotine withdrawal: You can certainly delay it...or prolong it...but sooner or later you have to go through it to quit...That is why we are a cold turkey site. I threw all my dip in the garbage back on Feb 13...ordered in some hooch herbal snuff (the cherry does taste like cherry skoal to me) Posted roll here and quit one day at a time.
Check your inbox (1)
Gotta quit using nicotine, not just dipping. Sucking on a heroine lollipop ain't going to help you quit heroine, and chewing nic gum ain't going to help you quit nic. The step down method makes a lot of sense... To addicts that are still using. Quitting is scary, and nic gum, patches, or cutting your dip with sawdust is a safety blanket.
I liked smokey mountain. Maybe it is because it took me a couple weeks to find it and ANYTHING remotely similar to dip was a welcome relief, I don't know. I gave some to a friend that dips to see if I could give him that nudge, and he hated it.
That's neither here nor there until you're quit. Flush your tin, and your secret tin, and your emergency tin, and your secret emergency tin. Post roll (our promise not to use nic for the day), and keep your word. Click on the pink "welcome center" above for instructions and the rational behind this place.
I quit 210 days ago almost to the second. I couldnt have done it without this site or the fine collection of assholes (and some ass pirates) that call KTC home.
Time to man up, Matt. What's it going to be: slavery or freedom.
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After 7 years of that beautiful black sunshine in a can im on day 3 and im having a ruff start I feel like im wired im on night shift of work im mad as hell but im glad I cant make it to the gas station to get my fix guess ill just have to make ol smokey mountain do. And when morning comes I just hope im strong enough.
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After 7 years of that beautiful black sunshine in a can im on day 3 and im having a ruff start I feel like im wired im on night shift of work im mad as hell but im glad I cant make it to the gas station to get my fix guess ill just have to make ol smokey mountain do. And when morning comes I just hope im strong enough.
beautiful black sunshine? You mean that crap that is killing you one day at a time? The stuff that is destroying your mouth? Or the stuff that gives you acid reflux....and hypertension...the stuff that you stained your shirts with....that made your breath smell like a gorillas ass? That black sunshine?
Take the blinders off my friend. See that stuff for what it really is. The only reason you "love" it is you are a nicotine addict. The good news is, you can beat this one day at a time and it gets a lot easier...if you let it. But if you are going to think about it as "black sunshine" you will fail. Time for a reality check.
That having been said: Welcome...Check your inbox (1)
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I just noticed something weird, I smoked for four years but I haven't craved one cigarette. Just thought that was kind of weird, I was thinking the Nic bitch would be firing on all cylinders.
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I just noticed something weird, I smoked for four years but I haven't craved one cigarette. Just thought that was kind of weird, I was thinking the Nic bitch would be firing on all cylinders.
The timing of the nic bitch varies for everyone...Early in my quit I went for a couple of weeks without a crave...then had a terrible 3 days....Enjoy the times that you are coasting...but stay vigilant
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No, I'm craving like crazy, but for a pinch not a cigarette. In fact the first I ever thought of a cigarette was when I noticed never craved one.
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No, I'm craving like crazy, but for a pinch not a cigarette. In fact the first I ever thought of a cigarette was when I noticed never craved one.
The nic bitch will hit you from somewhere. Quite often when you least expect it. Never, never let down your guard!!!
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New blog post: Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
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New blog post:Â Â Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
And it really is that simple Yota.
Time tested, and true.
...so grateful for this site and all of you in it.
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
And it really is that simple Yota.
Time tested, and true.
...so grateful for this site and all of you in it.
problem is there's no money in this tried and true method.
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
And it really is that simple Yota.
Time tested, and true.
...so grateful for this site and all of you in it.
On the nicotine gum, my mother died of emphysema in '96. When they came to take the body, they took 8 pieces of that shit out of her mouth. She had stopped smoking for 7 years and used gum instead. A week before she died, she said she wanted a pack of cigs. because she was gonna go anyway. The addiction continued to torture her while she died over a long period of time because she kept feeding it. (Years)
As for nicotine not effecting your physical condition, (other than smoke) I had a very difficult time getting off it and my body was not happy with me for a while after. (Anybody else have this problem?) It took a little time, (month(s)) but I eventually began to feel healthier and some problems with my CV system cleared up. Nicotine won't hurt you? Bullshit.
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
And it really is that simple Yota.
Time tested, and true.
...so grateful for this site and all of you in it.
On the nicotine gum, my mother died of emphysema in '96. When they came to take the body, they took 8 pieces of that shit out of her mouth. She had stopped smoking for 7 years and used gum instead. A week before she died, she said she wanted a pack of cigs. because she was gonna go anyway. The addiction continued to torture her while she died over a long period of time because she kept feeding it. (Years)
As for nicotine not effecting your physical condition, (other than smoke) I had a very difficult time getting off it and my body was not happy with me for a while after. (Anybody else have this problem?) It took a little time, (month(s)) but I eventually began to feel healthier and some problems with my CV system cleared up. Nicotine won't hurt you? Bullshit.
My blood pressure was through the roof for years while dipping. I got on meds and it helped, but my BP did not go to 120/80 until a longtime after I quit!
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New blog post:  Amazing Logic
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/amazing-logic/)
You may also want to check out the "Success Stories" section of the Switch Quit website. The FIRST story says, "I have been chewing nicotine gum for SIXTEEN years..."
Can someone tell me how this is a "success"?
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/success-stories/)
No comments just . . . . 'bang head'
Follow that with this piece of their website:
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/smoke-free-products/)
And it's just...well...wtf?
At the bottom of the page was "James Graham Brown Cancer Center"
'bang head'
http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about ... questions/ (http://switchandquitowensboro.org/about-the-campaign/frequently-asked-questions/)
FAQ #5- Who funded the research behind Switch and Quit Owensboro?
From 1999 to 2004, the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company (USSTC) of Greenwich, Connecticut
Its sad because there are so many people that are clueless about quitting and could use this as a source to quit smoking.
The quacks who researched this should be sued out of existance
It really is sad. In fact, it's exactly what someone thinking about quitting needs to justify to himself that dipping is just fine. Funny there's no mention ofthe bloody gums, shriveled lips, or jaws that have been removed. Sure UST gives them a grant with "no strings", but his job as a researcher depends on it. Give me a break. The more I read that site (and his "blog") the more pissed I get. Two things: 1) I will not die early from self induces cancer, and 2) I WILL NOT live my life as nicotine's bitch. I call my own shots, not some chemical in my bloodstream.
10. Why havenÂ’t more health groups and organizations endorsed this strategy?
"The problem is that (total nicotine) abstinence is unachievable for millions of smokers."
Except that it is achievable by 100% of the people who follow our simple 3 step program.
1. Promise not to use today by posting roll.
2. Keep your promise.
3. Repeat tomorrow.
And it really is that simple Yota.
Time tested, and true.
...so grateful for this site and all of you in it.
On the nicotine gum, my mother died of emphysema in '96. When they came to take the body, they took 8 pieces of that shit out of her mouth. She had stopped smoking for 7 years and used gum instead. A week before she died, she said she wanted a pack of cigs. because she was gonna go anyway. The addiction continued to torture her while she died over a long period of time because she kept feeding it. (Years)
As for nicotine not effecting your physical condition, (other than smoke) I had a very difficult time getting off it and my body was not happy with me for a while after. (Anybody else have this problem?) It took a little time, (month(s)) but I eventually began to feel healthier and some problems with my CV system cleared up. Nicotine won't hurt you? Bullshit.
My blood pressure was through the roof for years while dipping. I got on meds and it helped, but my BP did not go to 120/80 until a longtime after I quit!
Mine didn't drop until around day 170...but so thankful now....not bad considering how long I dipped.
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New blog post: How’s Your Quit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/hows-your-quit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/hows-your-quit/)
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New blog post: How’s Your Quit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/hows-your-quit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/hows-your-quit/)
Good stuff, Chewie. Thanks!
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chewless jim 1604 I hope everyone is well... happy holidays
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I won't get to everyone this weekend, but I wanted to wish the entire KTC community a very safe, happy, and healthy Christmas!
Thank you to the guys that started this place, and thanks to everyone that keeps it going.
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I won't get to everyone this weekend, but I wanted to wish the entire KTC community a very safe, happy, and healthy Christmas!
Thank you to the guys that started this place, and thanks to everyone that keeps it going.
Indeed !! Enjoy your Christmas !! Be safe...
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I won't get to everyone this weekend, but I wanted to wish the entire KTC community a very safe, happy, and healthy Christmas!Â
Thank you to the guys that started this place, and thanks to everyone that keeps it going.
Indeed !! Enjoy your Christmas !! Be safe...
Enjoy a dip-free Christmas Everyone!!!
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I won't get to everyone this weekend, but I wanted to wish the entire KTC community a very safe, happy, and healthy Christmas!Â
Thank you to the guys that started this place, and thanks to everyone that keeps it going.
Indeed !! Enjoy your Christmas !! Be safe...
Enjoy a dip-free Christmas Everyone!!!
and a Happy Festivus for the Rest of Us! Dip-free of course....
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I won't get to everyone this weekend, but I wanted to wish the entire KTC community a very safe, happy, and healthy Christmas!Â
Thank you to the guys that started this place, and thanks to everyone that keeps it going.
Indeed !! Enjoy your Christmas !! Be safe...
Enjoy a dip-free Christmas Everyone!!!
and a Happy Festivus for the Rest of Us! Dip-free of course....
Merry Christmas everyone!
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Fine header, Chewie. Merry Christmas quitters.
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Fine header, Chewie. Merry Christmas quitters.
I came in here to say the same but gmann beat me. To it. Nice header, love it.
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Fine header, Chewie. Merry Christmas quitters.
I came in here to say the same but gmann beat me. To it. Nice header, love it.
x3 Thanks for all you do Chewie, Thanks to You and all the others on the site, this is my first dip free Christmas in 33 years.
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Fine header, Chewie. Merry Christmas quitters.
I came in here to say the same but gmann beat me. To it. Nice header, love it.
x3 Thanks for all you do Chewie, Thanks to You and all the others on the site, this is my first dip free Christmas in 33 years.
Being quit's pretty cool isn't it?
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Fine header, Chewie. Merry Christmas quitters.
I came in here to say the same but gmann beat me. To it. Nice header, love it.
x3 Thanks for all you do Chewie, Thanks to You and all the others on the site, this is my first dip free Christmas in 33 years.
Being quit's pretty cool isn't it?
Pretty Cool, Indeed!
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
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Kept $360 from going into big tobacco's pockets this year.
Unfortunately prior to quitting in November I put about $2300 in their pockets. Here's to putting $0 in their pockets next year!
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
gmann - $1,256
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
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I hope the fleas from 1000 camels infest your pubic area big tobacco
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
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tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Damn. Were you eating it? Just, damn.
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
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tgafish-Â $3135 since May 26 this year
Damn. Were you eating it? Just, damn.
3 cans of Kodiak per day at $4.75/can. In honesty it's probably more than that because there were more 4 can days than 2 can days and a number of times it was more than 4.75/can. But I needed to pick and this seemed like the closest numbers to the truth as I could get. My pirate brother DennyX says I dipped gold flakes
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Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
I hope they find the pussy, hit raw, and wake up HIV, the clap, herpes, syphillis, and a sore ass.
Oh, and I hope their wallets get snatched and they become victims of identity theft.
'Finger' ust
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
Seth - $2316.32
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
Seth - $2316.32
Keddy - $1400 - FU UST!!
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
Seth - $2316.32
Keddy - $1400 - FU UST!!
TortillaJesus - $3654
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
Seth - $2316.32
Keddy - $1400 - FU UST!!
TortillaJesus - $3654
Mjollnir $2778
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
akwooly - $450, money in my pocket not UST.
dforbes $1244.25 paid for Christmas this year. First year our bank account is in the black after Christmas. Fuck you big tobacco....
chewie $9,935.00 ~ woo hoo!!!
Parputt - $1588.50!! Rolex fund is getting bigger :)
Greg5280 - $3370.25 - FUCK YOU UST !!
Seth - $2316.32
Keddy - $1400 - FU UST!!
TortillaJesus - $3654
Mjollnir $2778
Justquitit $202 To the UST Your number 'Finger'
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With this being the last day of this thread, I thought it would be awesome to post up how much each of us has taken back from big tobacco in 2011. Lets give one last. FU to big tobacco in 2011!
Happy New Year Quitters!
30yrAddict $805 FU American Snuff Company!
Husker-$1740...FU Big Tobacco
tex0322- $360
Steve1357- $360
J2B - $1110
Scowick - $404. I hope business sucks in 2012. Wishing you the worst, hate...sco.
gmann - $1,256
tgafish- $3135 since May 26 this year
Davec. - $600+. FUBT
Frazz - $2178 since January 3. I hope when chasing pussy, the execs of UST find themselves in a rainstorm of dicks.
dchogs- $575.00 since May 16, 2011. FU UST.
DennyX not much, round $300. But I'm NOBODY'S bitch. FU tobacco, I took my life back.
Rocky72 - 140.00 since Nov 29,2011 |Happy New Year To All :):)
I'm only quit for 28 hours and have been an addict for 24 years but I refuse to be tobacco's bitch anymore. I refuse to pinch the bear anymore. So, bring on this high feeling and fog. I will not waiver, I will not fail!!!!!!!! You will not break me.