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Title: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on December 27, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
General quit discussion, questions, answers, etc.

Guests looking to quit looking for answers are welcome.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 01, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
Happy New Year quitters!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: soxfnnlansing on January 01, 2015, 10:50:00 AM
Is KTC going to create a HOF'er group room for 2014? Also, can someone drop the Pre- from December HOF 2014 group? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JoeQuit on January 01, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
This is my first post on here and I just joined today and last night I pray was my last dip. I've chewed for 22 years. I am craving one so bad right now and I have tried to quit many times and I am sick of it and I hate it. I hope to get inspiration and support on here and I appreciate and thank all of you for being here. If you can quit it gives me hope and strength. Just trying to get through today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Its_Got2Happen on January 01, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: JoeQuit
This is my first post on here and I just joined today and last night I pray was my last dip. I've chewed for 22 years. I am craving one so bad right now and I have tried to quit many times and I am sick of it and I hate it. I hope to get inspiration and support on here and I appreciate and thank all of you for being here. If you can quit it gives me hope and strength. Just trying to get through today.
Welcome to the site Joe. Here's the deal with this quitting thing....

We don't TRY and we don't HOPE. We just do it. It is hard at first but it is worth it.

You have to want it bad. You can do this Joe. Go post roll in the April 2015 quit group.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JoeQuit on January 01, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
Appreciate your words, thank you. I've been reading a lot of posts on here and not sure where to post roll...where is the April 2015 quit group link? Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Its_Got2Happen on January 01, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: JoeQuit
Appreciate your words, thank you. I've been reading a lot of posts on here and not sure where to post roll...where is the April 2015 quit group link? Thanks
topic/10847546/11/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/11/#new)

Here you go brother. Get your name on there ASAP. Also, jump in chat if you have any questions. Always people there to help you out.

P.S. my number is in your INBOX (1). Text me if you need anything.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tazmed on January 01, 2015, 10:21:00 PM
A friend of mine has decided to quit smoking. Is Whack the Pack still up and running quit groups?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 01, 2015, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: tazmed
A friend of mine has decided to quit smoking. Is Whack the Pack still up and running quit groups?
No. The quit groups portion of WTP has been shut down - we're more than happy to help him here though!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tazmed on January 01, 2015, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: tazmed
A friend of mine has decided to quit smoking. Is Whack the Pack still up and running quit groups?
No. The quit groups portion of WTP has been shut down - we're more than happy to help him here though!

chewie
Thanks Chewie...I'll see if I can steer him this way.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: paulx1 on January 02, 2015, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Its_Got2Happen
Quote from: JoeQuit
This is my first post on here and I just joined today and last night I pray was my last dip. I've chewed for 22 years. I am craving one so bad right now and I have tried to quit many times and I am sick of it and I hate it. I hope to get inspiration and support on here and I appreciate and thank all of you for being here. If you can quit it gives me hope and strength. Just trying to get through today.
Welcome to the site Joe. Here's the deal with this quitting thing....

We don't TRY and we don't HOPE. We just do it. It is hard at first but it is worth it.

You have to want it bad. You can do this Joe. Go post roll in the April 2015 quit group.
Hey Joe I dropped by April 15 but didnt see you on there. PM me if you want to know how to post. I chewed 35 years or so and just quit like you so I get it. Exercise or do what you have to to get over the hump. Come on here and vent, then when you're having a hard time come back and re-read what you wrote. Commit to quit for that day. Bad days come out of the blue. You'll think you're home free then 10 days in the craving comes back. (In my case it goes away in 30 minutes or so). People on here care about other quitters but in helping others we help ourselves as well.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: LA Kevin on January 02, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
Just found this site a couple of days ago. I am 5 days nicotine-free (cold turkey). The first couple days were pretty bad but the last day or two haven't been nearly as hard. Fewer cravings, shorter in duration. I dipped for about 25 years. I started in high school playing baseball and a bunch of my buddies did too. Over the years they all quit but I never could. I have buddies that I wouldn't see for a long time and then we'd see each other at a bar or somewhere around town and I'd say "by the way, are you still dipping?" and they'd kind of laugh and be like "no, man, I quit 6 years ago." It was such a letdown to be the one who couldnt quit. I've gotten to about 3 months in the past but that's my max. This time is going to be MY TIME though!!! Great to have a support group like this one.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: redtrain14 on January 02, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: LA
Just found this site a couple of days ago. I am 5 days nicotine-free (cold turkey). The first couple days were pretty bad but the last day or two haven't been nearly as hard. Fewer cravings, shorter in duration. I dipped for about 25 years. I started in high school playing baseball and a bunch of my buddies did too. Over the years they all quit but I never could. I have buddies that I wouldn't see for a long time and then we'd see each other at a bar or somewhere around town and I'd say "by the way, are you still dipping?" and they'd kind of laugh and be like "no, man, I quit 6 years ago." It was such a letdown to be the one who couldnt quit. I've gotten to about 3 months in the past but that's my max. This time is going to be MY TIME though!!! Great to have a support group like this one.
Welcome Kevin! Sounds like you are well on your way.

Find the April '15 quit group and post up roll call and introduce yourself. Post early and often....read everything you can. Most importantly, shout if you need anything.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Johnt965 on January 02, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Hi, I've been chewing for about 25 years, generally at least a can of Kodiak per day, often more. Over the years I've managed to quit for a few days at a time occasionally, but it never stuck.

My last chew was 2 nights ago so yesterday and today so far have been my first two days without it in a very long time. So far so good, I was craving it pretty bad last night but didn't cave.

I came across this web site and thought if it'll help me stay on course this time, then it's worth joining and seeing what it's all about.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Frazzled on January 02, 2015, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Johnt965
Hi, I've been chewing for about 25 years, generally at least a can of Kodiak per day, often more. Over the years I've managed to quit for a few days at a time occasionally, but it never stuck.

My last chew was 2 nights ago so yesterday and today so far have been my first two days without it in a very long time. So far so good, I was craving it pretty bad last night but didn't cave.

I came across this web site and thought if it'll help me stay on course this time, then it's worth joining and seeing what it's all about.
Hi John, and welcome to the best decision you can make. You can check out this page (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/) to see that you are looking at coming up in the next few days and weeks.

How we quit here is very simple. You will go to the your quit group, which is April 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546) and you will post up a Day 3 in the New Quitters section. Details on how to do this can also be found in the Welcome Center (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/). Your post, which you should do as soon as you get out of bed for the day, is your promise not to use nicotine in any form. Since you gave up your last dip on 12/31, you are on Day 3...which means you are almost through the worst of the physical symptoms. I encourage you to go post roll and quit with us, and you will get support like you've never known.

Drink lots of water, don't worry about staying away from food. Eat everything in site if it keeps you Quit.

Quit on.

~Frazz
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Johnt965 on January 02, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I'll be sure to join the quit group. Glad I found this group!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JoeQuit on January 03, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: paulx1
Quote from: Its_Got2Happen
Quote from: JoeQuit
This is my first post on here and I just joined today and last night I pray was my last dip. I've chewed for 22 years. I am craving one so bad right now and I have tried to quit many times and I am sick of it and I hate it. I hope to get inspiration and support on here and I appreciate and thank all of you for being here. If you can quit it gives me hope and strength. Just trying to get through today.
Welcome to the site Joe. Here's the deal with this quitting thing....

We don't TRY and we don't HOPE. We just do it. It is hard at first but it is worth it.

You have to want it bad. You can do this Joe. Go post roll in the April 2015 quit group.
Hey Joe I dropped by April 15 but didnt see you on there. PM me if you want to know how to post. I chewed 35 years or so and just quit like you so I get it. Exercise or do what you have to to get over the hump. Come on here and vent, then when you're having a hard time come back and re-read what you wrote. Commit to quit for that day. Bad days come out of the blue. You'll think you're home free then 10 days in the craving comes back. (In my case it goes away in 30 minutes or so). People on here care about other quitters but in helping others we help ourselves as well.
I did join the April 15 group, thanks for the support. My family has been really supportive so that helps also. I do exercise regularly which also helps out. Sugarless gum and sunflower seeds help replace the oral fixation for me. Thanks for the support and words.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BWade on January 03, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: Frazzled
Quote from: Johnt965
Hi, I've been chewing for about 25 years, generally at least a can of Kodiak per day, often more. Over the years I've managed to quit for a few days at a time occasionally, but it never stuck.

My last chew was 2 nights ago so yesterday and today so far have been my first two days without it in a very long time. So far so good, I was craving it pretty bad last night but didn't cave.

I came across this web site and thought if it'll help me stay on course this time, then it's worth joining and seeing what it's all about.
Hi John, and welcome to the best decision you can make. You can check out this page (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/) to see that you are looking at coming up in the next few days and weeks.

How we quit here is very simple. You will go to the your quit group, which is April 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546) and you will post up a Day 3 in the New Quitters section. Details on how to do this can also be found in the Welcome Center (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/). Your post, which you should do as soon as you get out of bed for the day, is your promise not to use nicotine in any form. Since you gave up your last dip on 12/31, you are on Day 3...which means you are almost through the worst of the physical symptoms. I encourage you to go post roll and quit with us, and you will get support like you've never known.

Drink lots of water, don't worry about staying away from food. Eat everything in site if it keeps you Quit.

Quit on.

~Frazz

Hey, on day 2 after dipping for 16 years. Stayed as busy as I could most of the day to keep my mind off it. Just finished a big meal an want a pinch bad but will not give in. Great time for a drink!!! I do believe this site will be the help I need to put the can down.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Roboquit on January 04, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
I dipped nearly every day since about 1992. And I quit for good about 110 days ago. It was and is a crazy battle to stay off that drug...I have a Smokey Mountain fake dip in as I type this.

My advice to anyone starting out is that there is no magic moment where you are cured. So don't expect to reach some mythical finish line where you can say you finally did it. It's not there. What is there are little things that will get you through tough times...someone you care about might do something nice for you, you might discover something new you enjoy that takes your mind off dipping...you will remember those things that helped you along the way. And they will become special to you. Because they were there when you needed them. So keep an eye out for them.

So anyone reading this who is just starting out...and I'm talking to the guy who is broken. The guy who knows that this is his last chance...that guy who knows in his heart that if he chooses to put in another dip, it's putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger. And I don't mean maybe he'll get cancer, I mean he knows he doesn't value his life anymore if he puts in that dip again...to that guy...There is no finish line waiting for you, but what is out there is hope. And if you put in the time, you will have hope again.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: deepelumraider on January 04, 2015, 08:25:00 PM
Hello all,

I have looked at this site a few times. Tomorrow is my quit day. I have dipped consistantly for about 13 years or so. I truly hate it and love it at the same time. I am having a daughter in April and I am making the decision to STOP.

I am so glad this community is here. Thanks to you all. As I read the past posts I am comforted there are others here for support.

Judson
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mcarmo44 on January 04, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: deepelumraider
Hello all,

I have looked at this site a few times. Tomorrow is my quit day. I have dipped consistantly for about 13 years or so. I truly hate it and love it at the same time. I am having a daughter in April and I am making the decision to STOP.

I am so glad this community is here. Thanks to you all. As I read the past posts I am comforted there are others here for support.

Judson
Deep
why wait man? Throw the can out now and make today day 1.

You can do this man.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 05, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: mcarmo44
Quote from: deepelumraider
Hello all,

I have looked at this site a few times. Tomorrow is my quit day. I have dipped consistantly for about 13 years or so. I truly hate it and love it at the same time. I am having a daughter in April and I am making the decision to STOP.

I am so glad this community is here. Thanks to you all. As I read the past posts I am comforted there are others here for support.

Judson
Deep
why wait man? Throw the can out now and make today day 1.

You can do this man.
Apparently things didn't work out 'tomorrow'.

If you are reading this and 'thinking' about quitting. There is NO TOMORROW! You will find some stupid ass excuse to keep dipping. I know. I made those excuses for 29 years!

Today is all you got! Just today. Join us, post roll and promise us you will Quit for today! Tomorrow? I don't know anything about tomorrow. I only Quit today.

Don't believe me? Where the Hell is deepelumraider? Stuffing his face. Right. Now.

Flush your shit, grab your sack, and let's get to it. You can do it! I'm nothing special. If I can, you can.

-Nolaq - Day 1,757
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 05, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: mcarmo44
Quote from: deepelumraider
Hello all,

I have looked at this site a few times. Tomorrow is my quit day. I have dipped consistantly for about 13 years or so. I truly hate it and love it at the same time. I am having a daughter in April and I am making the decision to STOP.

I am so glad this community is here. Thanks to you all. As I read the past posts I am comforted there are others here for support.

Judson
Deep
why wait man? Throw the can out now and make today day 1.

You can do this man.
Apparently things didn't work out 'tomorrow'.

If you are reading this and 'thinking' about quitting. There is NO TOMORROW! You will find some stupid ass excuse to keep dipping. I know. I made those excuses for 29 years!

Today is all you got! Just today. Join us, post roll and promise us you will Quit for today! Tomorrow? I don't know anything about tomorrow. I only Quit today.

Don't believe me? Where the Hell is deepelumraider? Stuffing his face. Right. Now.

Flush your shit, grab your sack, and let's get to it. You can do it! I'm nothing special. If I can, you can.

-Nolaq - Day 1,757
False... you ARE "special" :)

You're a quitter... proud to stand with you.

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: deepelumraider on January 05, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry, I am just getting back on the board. After I posted, I was out of pocket and in meetings today. I posted "tomorrow" as my quit day because I already had dipped yesterday.

Will try and do better posting more quickly. Haven't been involved in many forums like this.

I am at home this evening, have not dipped today and told the wife that I can't leave the house tonight so I don't slip out and pick any up. One day at a time, but I do want to quit and am thankful for the support.

Judson
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Smeds on January 05, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: deepelumraider
Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry, I am just getting back on the board. After I posted, I was out of pocket and in meetings today. I posted "tomorrow" as my quit day because I already had dipped yesterday.

Will try and do better posting more quickly. Haven't been involved in many forums like this.

I am at home this evening, have not dipped today and told the wife that I can't leave the house tonight so I don't slip out and pick any up. One day at a time, but I do want to quit and am thankful for the support.

Judson
You got this Judson ... power through buddy. Your word is everything, and you've posted roll giving your word. Don't go back on it, it's a promise to yourself mostly ... but to us as well. I'll quit with you today! We'll worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You made a great decision to quit ... congrats!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: redtrain14 on January 05, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: Smeds
Quote from: deepelumraider
Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry, I am just getting back on the board. After I posted, I was out of pocket and in meetings today. I posted "tomorrow" as my quit day because I already had dipped yesterday.

Will try and do better posting more quickly. Haven't been involved in many forums like this.

I am at home this evening, have not dipped today and told the wife that I can't leave the house tonight so I don't slip out and pick any up. One day at a time, but I do want to quit and am thankful for the support.

Judson
You got this Judson ... power through buddy. Your word is everything, and you've posted roll giving your word. Don't go back on it, it's a promise to yourself mostly ... but to us as well. I'll quit with you today! We'll worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You made a great decision to quit ... congrats!
If you quit yesterday...looks like a big day 2 for you today. Congrats!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 05, 2015, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: Smeds
Quote from: deepelumraider
Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry, I am just getting back on the board. After I posted, I was out of pocket and in meetings today. I posted "tomorrow" as my quit day because I already had dipped yesterday.

Will try and do better posting more quickly. Haven't been involved in many forums like this.

I am at home this evening, have not dipped today and told the wife that I can't leave the house tonight so I don't slip out and pick any up. One day at a time, but I do want to quit and am thankful for the support.

Judson
You got this Judson ... power through buddy. Your word is everything, and you've posted roll giving your word. Don't go back on it, it's a promise to yourself mostly ... but to us as well. I'll quit with you today! We'll worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You made a great decision to quit ... congrats!
If you quit yesterday...looks like a big day 2 for you today. Congrats!
Awesome job Judson!

When you post Roll, you are giving us your word you will not use nicotine for today. Keep your WORD!

You can do this. If you need help, or have questions, PM me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: paulx1 on January 05, 2015, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: Smeds
Quote from: deepelumraider
Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry, I am just getting back on the board. After I posted, I was out of pocket and in meetings today. I posted "tomorrow" as my quit day because I already had dipped yesterday.

Will try and do better posting more quickly. Haven't been involved in many forums like this.

I am at home this evening, have not dipped today and told the wife that I can't leave the house tonight so I don't slip out and pick any up. One day at a time, but I do want to quit and am thankful for the support.

Judson
You got this Judson ... power through buddy. Your word is everything, and you've posted roll giving your word. Don't go back on it, it's a promise to yourself mostly ... but to us as well. I'll quit with you today! We'll worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You made a great decision to quit ... congrats!
If you quit yesterday...looks like a big day 2 for you today. Congrats!
Awesome job Judson!

When you post Roll, you are giving us your word you will not use nicotine for today. Keep your WORD!

You can do this. If you need help, or have questions, PM me.
Good for you Judson. You'll have good days and bad - all you have to remember to do is NOT chew.

If you come on here and post each day (and refuse to go back on your word) that's been enough to get me through so far. Without giving a daily promise I would have caved for sure.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: deepelumraider on January 06, 2015, 08:37:00 AM
Day 2 begins. Gotta say last night wsan't easy after dinner and the first few hours pf sleep were restless. not sure if that was due to withdrawal or not. Doesn't matter, I guess.

Off I go to work. Will pray for strenth in the decision to say no for myself and all of you out there.

Judson
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 06, 2015, 08:43:00 AM
Day 8 V2... I say version two since this is the second time I am attempting to quit over the last 2 months. First time was Nov 17 .. I made it a couple weeks.. but I backslid, taking a pinch, of course that pinch turned back into routine use and hiding it from my family. I tossed everything again on Dec 30th determined to break this 30yr habit.

This time the foggy head and fatigue are just killing me much worse than just a few short weeks ago.

I cannot seem to concentrate at all on work, and as soon as I get to my room I am passing out... (business trip right now)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 06, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: tarosean
Day 8 V2... I say version two since this is the second time I am attempting to quit over the last 2 months. First time was Nov 17 .. I made it a couple weeks.. but I backslid, taking a pinch, of course that pinch turned back into routine use and hiding it from my family. I tossed everything again on Dec 30th determined to break this 30yr habit.

This time the foggy head and fatigue are just killing me much worse than just a few short weeks ago.

I cannot seem to concentrate at all on work, and as soon as I get to my room I am passing out... (business trip right now)
Sean, do yourself a favor and start reading. When you get back to your room, read as much as you can here. Start at the Welcome Center. Learn about posting roll, and why we are all here.

You can do this. We can help, but you have to have the right mindset.

If you have questions or need help, click the PM button under my name and shoot me a message.

This place works, but participation is required.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 06, 2015, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
This place works, but participation is required.
#truth
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 06, 2015, 12:11:00 PM
^ Thanks guys
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Raider on January 06, 2015, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: tarosean
^ Thanks guys

Read everything you can. Go into Live chat and make some new friends. We are all fighting the same enemy and together we are much stronger than doing it alone. The Welcome Center will tell you how to Post Roll. Get over to April 15 in the Quit Groups section and start posting roll, DAILY. That is your promise to yourself and us that you will refrain from using nicotine today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on January 06, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: tarosean
Day 8 V2... I say version two since this is the second time I am attempting to quit over the last 2 months. First time was Nov 17 .. I made it a couple weeks.. but I backslid, taking a pinch, of course that pinch turned back into routine use and hiding it from my family. I tossed everything again on Dec 30th determined to break this 30yr habit.

This time the foggy head and fatigue are just killing me much worse than just a few short weeks ago.

I cannot seem to concentrate at all on work, and as soon as I get to my room I am passing out... (business trip right now)
So what caused you to take that that pinch after a couple of weeks?

I'm not judging. Sincerely curious.

I'm on Day 2. Looking for pitfalls.

Edit: Day 2 is much easier than Day 1 for me . . maybe it's because Day 1 started without Nicotine? That is I threw my can away on Sunday night (early monday morning around 1 am) . .so I woke up Day 1 (Monday morning) without anything . . and it was BRUTAL. Blurred vision, stomach cramps, the craps, feverish (can't get warm) feelings followed by sweating . . restlessness.

Day 2 now is just cravings . . that come and go.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 06, 2015, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: GrievousAngel
Quote from: tarosean
Day 8 V2... I say version two since this is the second time I am attempting to quit over the last 2 months. First time was Nov 17 .. I made it a couple weeks.. but I backslid, taking a pinch, of course that pinch turned back into routine use and hiding it from my family. I tossed everything again on Dec 30th determined to break this 30yr habit.

This time the foggy head and fatigue are just killing me much worse than just a few short weeks ago.

I cannot seem to concentrate at all on work, and as soon as I get to my room I am passing out... (business trip right now)
So what caused you to take that that pinch after a couple of weeks?

I'm not judging. Sincerely curious.

I'm on Day 2. Looking for pitfalls.

Edit: Day 2 is much easier than Day 1 for me . . maybe it's because Day 1 started without Nicotine? That is I threw my can away on Sunday night (early monday morning around 1 am) . .so I woke up Day 1 (Monday morning) without anything . . and it was BRUTAL. Blurred vision, stomach cramps, the craps, feverish (can't get warm) feelings followed by sweating . . restlessness.

Day 2 now is just cravings . . that come and go.

Fingers crossed.
Luck and hope aren't words we use here. You have to want it!! Learn to hate nicotine and chew. Change your frame of mind:
1. First thing, post roll call, your promise to not use nicotine for one day
2. How are you going to invest in your quit today; drink water, exercise, get on KTC and help a fellow quitter
3. When you do get a crave how will you combat it? Gum, candy, seeds or fake chew? Text a fellow quitter? Chat on KTC?
4. If you used to chew while driving, playing video games, golfing, fishing or hunting, etc. How will you change you previous behavior?
Don't try to forget that you are an addict, fight that each day and add remember the clock is ticking:
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Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 07, 2015, 02:14:00 AM
Quote
So what caused you to take that that pinch after a couple of weeks?
wish I could give you a definitive answer... but I cannot.
Stress? Drinking? routine? I am the only person I was around who dipped so its not like I bummed one from someone, etc. I had to purposely ask for it at the counter. I know I took a dip and threw the can away for a few times after that.

Living rural TX the counter is what scares me the most since it inst exactly hard to find.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mitchke1 on January 07, 2015, 05:21:00 AM
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RLTW 2/75 on January 07, 2015, 06:28:00 AM
Quote from: Mitchke1
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Now you can't let her down and you can't let yourself down. All of my coworkers still chew too but I don't give a fuck, im tougher than them. Man up and fight through it.
I'm quit with you.

Day 60
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 07, 2015, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: RLTW
Quote from: Mitchke1
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Now you can't let her down and you can't let yourself down. All of my coworkers still chew too but I don't give a fuck, im tougher than them. Man up and fight through it.
I'm quit with you.

Day 60
This is some goo shit!

It's not that this isn't the place for this kind of post, but I would recommend starting your own Intro page here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/)

You can add this kind of thing, and keep track. It can be very helpful to go back and look at it, and update as you move along on your journey.

Either way, two big wins! Stay Strong. Stay Quit!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 07, 2015, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: RLTW
Quote from: Mitchke1
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Now you can't let her down and you can't let yourself down. All of my coworkers still chew too but I don't give a fuck, im tougher than them. Man up and fight through it.
I'm quit with you.

Day 60
This is some goo shit!

It's not that this isn't the place for this kind of post, but I would recommend starting your own Intro page here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/)

You can add this kind of thing, and keep track. It can be very helpful to go back and look at it, and update as you move along on your journey.

Either way, two big wins! Stay Strong. Stay Quit!
yep... what NOLAQ said - an intro is a great place for this.

also (and this isn't just for you) if you're a "blogger" there's always www.quit4today.com (http://www.quit4today.com) - it's open to anyone who's quit and is a blog written FOR quitters BY quitters.

If you'd like to be set up as an author you can request it here. forum/55578/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55578/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BWade on January 08, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: RLTW
Quote from: Mitchke1
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Now you can't let her down and you can't let yourself down. All of my coworkers still chew too but I don't give a fuck, im tougher than them. Man up and fight through it.
I'm quit with you.

Day 60
This is some goo shit!

It's not that this isn't the place for this kind of post, but I would recommend starting your own Intro page here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/)

You can add this kind of thing, and keep track. It can be very helpful to go back and look at it, and update as you move along on your journey.

Either way, two big wins! Stay Strong. Stay Quit!
yep... what NOLAQ said - an intro is a great place for this.

also (and this isn't just for you) if you're a "blogger" there's always www.quit4today.com (http://www.quit4today.com) - it's open to anyone who's quit and is a blog written FOR quitters BY quitters.

If you'd like to be set up as an author you can request it here. forum/55578/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55578/)


Day 7 and I damn near caved today but because of this site did not. Stopped to get a can of Grizzly fine cut natural and walked out with a can of Smokey Mountain Premium Herbal Snuff. 7 days quit is too long to go back to putting rat shit in my mouth. Thanks KTC!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Harbinger17 on January 08, 2015, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: BWade
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: RLTW
Quote from: Mitchke1
Don't know if this is the right place to post, if not please move.

Woke up this morning at 3:30am after 3rd straight night of fitful sleeping to a house full of motivational sayings and scripture verses all throughout the house at places I go to in the morning. My wife must have taken couple of hours to write,draw, and color all the taped pages. Pretty awesome of her!! More importantly much needed.

I'm starting day 4 and the struggle is getting worse. Day 1 was easiest and gave me a false sense of how the battle would be fought. I am determined to beat this addiction. Living in the Deep South a majority of my co workers are users and it makes it tough when you are around tobacco dippers and chewers all day.

A big shout out goes to Natro... Who has kept up with me by phone text during the day and night by offering encouragement and being a sounding board for me. I hope I'm not too much a burden on you for this, because I have no one else, but I really appreciate what you've done.

Off to work I go... I have the power within me to beat Nicotine!!!!
Now you can't let her down and you can't let yourself down. All of my coworkers still chew too but I don't give a fuck, im tougher than them. Man up and fight through it.
I'm quit with you.

Day 60
This is some goo shit!

It's not that this isn't the place for this kind of post, but I would recommend starting your own Intro page here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/)

You can add this kind of thing, and keep track. It can be very helpful to go back and look at it, and update as you move along on your journey.

Either way, two big wins! Stay Strong. Stay Quit!
yep... what NOLAQ said - an intro is a great place for this.

also (and this isn't just for you) if you're a "blogger" there's always www.quit4today.com (http://www.quit4today.com) - it's open to anyone who's quit and is a blog written FOR quitters BY quitters.

If you'd like to be set up as an author you can request it here. forum/55578/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55578/)


Day 7 and I damn near caved today but because of this site did not. Stopped to get a can of Grizzly fine cut natural and walked out with a can of Smokey Mountain Premium Herbal Snuff. 7 days quit is too long to go back to putting rat shit in my mouth. Thanks KTC!!!!
Whatever it takes to stay quit Bwade take it day by day. I'll pm you my number in case you find your self driving to get a tin again.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 09, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
Does the need to always have something in your mouth/oral fixation go away eventually?

Day 11 and chugging along.

Today cravings were really bad. I ate a ton of junk, hopefully I didnt gain ten pounds in one day.... lol

Least the good news is for the next couple weeks I am in a country where its not sold.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 09, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: tarosean
Does the need to always have something in your mouth/oral fixation go away eventually?

Day 11 and chugging along.

Today cravings were really bad. I ate a ton of junk, hopefully I didnt gain ten pounds in one day.... lol

Least the good news is for the next couple weeks I am in a country where its not sold.
Definitely.

I chewed the fake stuff for a good 200 days or so into my quit. Then one day, I just stopped reaching for it. At this point, I can't tell you the last time I felt I "needed" something, but it's been years.

Keep fighting - you're on the right track. Conrats on 11 days of freedom!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: sacclay on January 09, 2015, 01:31:00 PM
Ok dudes, I'm a newbite. Been to the site many many times but never posted, but I'm sitting here willing and ready. I'm done with this shit. I still have chew in my veins, just not in my lip. Where do I go to get this party started?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: wastepanel on January 09, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: tarosean
Does the need to always have something in your mouth/oral fixation go away eventually?

Day 11 and chugging along.

Today cravings were really bad. I ate a ton of junk, hopefully I didnt gain ten pounds in one day.... lol

Least the good news is for the next couple weeks I am in a country where its not sold.
Definitely.

I chewed the fake stuff for a good 200 days or so into my quit. Then one day, I just stopped reaching for it. At this point, I can't tell you the last time I felt I "needed" something, but it's been years.

Keep fighting - you're on the right track. Conrats on 11 days of freedom!

chewie
Yes. It does.

How many days did you use nicotine before quitting? 11 days is just a piddly amount to that (but is bad ass awesome quit wise though man). You are healing.

Freedom earned tastes so much better than freedom given. No one can give you it. You have to earn it. Give it some time.

Let me know if you need anything.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: wastepanel on January 09, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: sacclay
Ok dudes, I'm a newbite. Been to the site many many times but never posted, but I'm sitting here willing and ready. I'm done with this shit. I still have chew in my veins, just not in my lip. Where do I go to get this party started?
Welcome aboard man.

First of all, check out all you need to know about our program here: Welcome center (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)

It will tell you the who, what, where, when, and why's of the site. But, basically, our program is to promise to ourselves and others not to use nicotine today. We do that on roll call. You are banded together with a ton of guys and gals that are going through the same stuff that you are. Your group is the April 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/229/#new) quitting class. This represents when you will be 100 days quit. At that point, you are not cured and you never will be: You are an addict. You were an addict. You'll always be an addict.

You see, quitting is the opposite of using. It means that you actively pursue not using the stuff. We do that through roll and we lean on each other when we need to. There's a library of information here, and I look forward to continuing this quit with you man.

Come on in!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: TH17 on January 12, 2015, 03:11:00 AM
Just started my quit a day ago. Anyone know of some inexpensive alternatives other than seeds, or some sort of medication?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Harbinger17 on January 12, 2015, 03:30:00 AM
Quote from: TH17
Just started my quit a day ago. Anyone know of some inexpensive alternatives other than seeds, or some sort of medication?
Hey saw you posted up in april. Smokey Mountian is a good choice for an alternative IMO. They have a lot of flavors as well. I used Big Red gum for my first couple days and that worked pretty well. Welcome to the group.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 12, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
New Blog Post: The National Championship Of Quit! (Poll)
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/01/the- ... p-of-quit/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/01/the-national-championship-of-quit/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Jeff W. on January 12, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Day 2, and I already understand just how crucial Roll Call is. I've just had lunch on the first day of work since I quit, and the fawking craving right now is intense. But you all know that already. Thankfully, I've already given my word to all y'all that I will not give in and use nicotene today, and I will not break that promise. As a matter of fact, as I write this, it is subsiding a bit.

So the 'r' stays in place. Thanks to all of you for being here.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gbart on January 12, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
Day 1, really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: rdad on January 12, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
I love the new "Ride the Lightning" Motif! 'oh yeah'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: sdilliv on January 12, 2015, 08:09:00 PM
'fireman' Yes, Sir I'm putting this 30 plus year plus fire out I've known 3 people who have died recently between the ages of 46-49 and my buddy was diagnosed with throat cancer last year(40 yr dipper) i want to get healthy and see my 5yr old graduate high school. Day 1 starts now.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 13, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: sdilliv
'fireman' Yes, Sir I'm putting this 30 plus year plus fire out I've known 3 people who have died recently between the ages of 46-49 and my buddy was diagnosed with throat cancer last year(40 yr dipper) i want to get healthy and see my 5yr old graduate high school. Day 1 starts now.
This addiction is serious, quit is each and every day! Post roll, build a network of support and get active. This site will save your (and my) life!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: TH17 on January 14, 2015, 03:37:00 AM
Quick question, any other quitters out there have to deal with quitting but still living with someone who dips? I'm heading back to school in a week and my roommate chews but I know he's the type of guy who will punch me in the face if I think about caving. I'm gonna get him on the site when I get back because he told me he wants to quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 14, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: TH17
Quick question, any other quitters out there have to deal with quitting but still living with someone who dips? I'm heading back to school in a week and my roommate chews but I know he's the type of guy who will punch me in the face if I think about caving. I'm gonna get him on the site when I get back because he told me he wants to quit.
Sounds like he'll be cool with it, but just make sure he's fully aware that you're quit and serious about it. Getting him on board will help, but don't be "pushy". Lead by example.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 14, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
For the New Year's quitters out there (there are several) you're at two weeks today - CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Here's a potential bump in the road to watch out here... keep fighting!

2 Week Weakness
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... -weakness/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/2-week-weakness/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 14, 2015, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: TH17
Quick question, any other quitters out there have to deal with quitting but still living with someone who dips? I'm heading back to school in a week and my roommate chews but I know he's the type of guy who will punch me in the face if I think about caving. I'm gonna get him on the site when I get back because he told me he wants to quit.
Sounds like he'll be cool with it, but just make sure he's fully aware that you're quit and serious about it. Getting him on board will help, but don't be "pushy". Lead by example.

Chewie
That is tough to always be around. I would take three approaches:
1. get some fake chew, seeds or gum to have something to prevent caving when he starts chewing at the house
2. ask him to not chew around you
3. show him these pictures: http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... -pictures/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/cancer-pictures/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on January 14, 2015, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: Gbart
Day 1, really looking forward to this.
Get yourself into the April 2015 HOF quit group and post roll if you haven't already.. Introduce yourself and get to know the other quitters. They will be your lifeline. Read everything on this site and come check us out in live chat!!! Quitting is the hardest but MOST rewarding thing you will ever do!!!!!!!!!!! You can DO this one day at a time!!!! We can help!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: mikeshatt on January 15, 2015, 01:39:00 PM
Hello all.
My name is Mike, and I am a Dipper.
I took my last Dip 1/12. after 35 year of dipping.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 15, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: mikeshatt
Hello all.
My name is Mike, and I am a Dipper.
I took my last Dip 1/12. after 35 year of dipping.
Welcome Mike - congrats on a GREAT decision!!!

Head on over to April 2015 and introduce yourself and post roll.
topic/10847546/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/)

Let us know how we can help!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: btfd0227 on January 16, 2015, 12:39:00 AM
Hi all,

I decided to join this group after my family each individually talked to me about "killing the can". I am a 22 year old (nearly 23) former student athlete at a PAC-12 university and currently interning and coaching a sport part-time. I have been dipping since I was 18, in fact, my first can was on my 18th birthday and I have not stopped since.

After some thinking and self-reflecting, I figured out that I am not ready to give up the can. I really, REALLY want to be ready, but I am not. I joined this forum to help figure out how I can ready myself to quit and thus lead myself to quitting this disgusting and repulsive habit that I currently have.

I have had a girlfriend the past year and a half and I told her that I "used" to dip a long time ago, but she is in the dark about my habit- I have hid countless cans, bottles, etc., from her. I want to quit because of her. I have a 14 year old brother that has cried at night because he has seen the images of mouth, jaw, and throat cancer in his health classes and does not want to see his idol of an older brother turn out like that. I want to quit because of him. Both of my parents have expressed their concern about me and the financial weight that dipping has and how the money towards each can of tobacco can be used to pay for future expenses (rent, food, etc.), as well as their concern for my own well-being. I want to quit because of them.

But I am not ready to. I will be totally honest, I love dipping. After filling my stomach with a fantastic meal, I put one in. On my way to work, I put one in. Before and after practice, I put one in. Watching TV, going on Facebook, you name it, I put one in. I go through about a can every other day ($5 in my area). I can't get enough of it.

I know the consequences of it and I know that one day I will quit this. But I want that day to come MUCH sooner than later, and I was hoping that you all could help with that. How did you all decide, figure out, or come to peace with quitting? Because currently, I am at a loss and not near a crossroads. I know I need to quit and I want to, but not now.

Thank you and BTFD.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 16, 2015, 01:09:00 AM
Quote from: btfd0227
Hi all,

I decided to join this group after my family each individually talked to me about "killing the can". I am a 22 year old (nearly 23) former student athlete at a PAC-12 university and currently interning and coaching a sport part-time. I have been dipping since I was 18, in fact, my first can was on my 18th birthday and I have not stopped since.

After some thinking and self-reflecting, I figured out that I am not ready to give up the can. I really, REALLY want to be ready, but I am not. I joined this forum to help figure out how I can ready myself to quit and thus lead myself to quitting this disgusting and repulsive habit that I currently have.

I have had a girlfriend the past year and a half and I told her that I "used" to dip a long time ago, but she is in the dark about my habit- I have hid countless cans, bottles, etc., from her. I want to quit because of her. I have a 14 year old brother that has cried at night because he has seen the images of mouth, jaw, and throat cancer in his health classes and does not want to see his idol of an older brother turn out like that. I want to quit because of him. Both of my parents have expressed their concern about me and the financial weight that dipping has and how the money towards each can of tobacco can be used to pay for future expenses (rent, food, etc.), as well as their concern for my own well-being. I want to quit because of them.

But I am not ready to. I will be totally honest, I love dipping. After filling my stomach with a fantastic meal, I put one in. On my way to work, I put one in. Before and after practice, I put one in. Watching TV, going on Facebook, you name it, I put one in. I go through about a can every other day ($5 in my area). I can't get enough of it.

I know the consequences of it and I know that one day I will quit this. But I want that day to come MUCH sooner than later, and I was hoping that you all could help with that. How did you all decide, figure out, or come to peace with quitting? Because currently, I am at a loss and not near a crossroads. I know I need to quit and I want to, but not now.

Thank you and BTFD.
Great decision to quit and never too early. Quit for yourself each day. Post roll every day.
This will take a lot of dedication to quit. For me it is harder for me than school, playing d1 ball (WCC) and passing the cpa exam. I am an addict and my drug was nicotine, delivered by chew.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cjack88 on January 16, 2015, 01:56:00 AM
Alright i need help...i have been chewing for 8 years 1 or more cans daily. Tomorrow ( 1/16/15 ) is my official quit date. I have tried to quit in the past and failed. I want to be done and never pick this stuff up again. Anyone have any tips, tricks or helpful advice for me? It would mean a lot.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jaker on January 16, 2015, 04:26:00 AM
Quote from: cjack88
Alright i need help...i have been chewing for 8 years 1 or more cans daily. Tomorrow ( 1/16/15 ) is my official quit date. I have tried to quit in the past and failed. I want to be done and never pick this stuff up again. Anyone have any tips, tricks or helpful advice for me? It would mean a lot.
Helpful advice? Dump whatever you got left down the toilet. Throw away anything that had to do with your addiction such as spitters NOW. Don't leave anything that will make you want to use nicotine again.

Here is a tip, go to the introduction page, post your into, let us know about you, and then go post your day 1 in the April 2015 HOF quit group making your promise not to use nicotine just for today.

Finally some tricks, post roll every damn day, if you can keep your word 1 day at a time not to use nicotine the days will begin to pile up. Read everything you can on this site because the nic bitch is gonna try to trick you into having a go at her. Finally, do whatever you have to do to stay quit, seeds, fake chew, chewing gum, hell go get some bark off a damn tree, just don't put any tobacco in your mouth anymore.

Its pretty simple, if you want to never pick it up again, then do just that, do what many more before you have done on this site. Many more people who have experience with what you are about to go through. That is why this site will be your best friend.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Jiffy on January 16, 2015, 08:47:00 AM
Hey everyone, figured this would be a good place to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm on day 99 of my quit (HOF tomorrow) - and my trigger was always when I got home from work, and sat down to watch TV, play video games or do yard work. Occasionally, like most guys I'd have a beer or two to accompany the dip while doing these activities. As of late, I've noticed I'm drinking a little more....not a whole lot more, but enough to notice. An extra beer or two, and an extra day or two throughout the week. I know the seriousness of alcoholism and I've been studying the warning signs and how people drop one addiction for another. How do you guys deal with this, just halt the booze all together for a period of time? Granted....this all takes place in the evening before bed. Any information at all would be awesome.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 16, 2015, 09:49:00 AM
Quote
Here's a potential bump in the road to watch out here... keep fighting!

2 Week Weakness


She got my ass in Dec.. not happening this time around!!! 18 days and counting.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 16, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: Jiffy
Hey everyone, figured this would be a good place to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm on day 99 of my quit (HOF tomorrow) - and my trigger was always when I got home from work, and sat down to watch TV, play video games or do yard work. Occasionally, like most guys I'd have a beer or two to accompany the dip while doing these activities. As of late, I've noticed I'm drinking a little more....not a whole lot more, but enough to notice. An extra beer or two, and an extra day or two throughout the week. I know the seriousness of alcoholism and I've been studying the warning signs and how people drop one addiction for another. How do you guys deal with this, just halt the booze all together for a period of time? Granted....this all takes place in the evening before bed. Any information at all would be awesome.
Jiffy -

We (addicts) have a ton in common. One thing is our addictive personalities. As you've correctly pointed out, this tends to lead to overindulgance of one thing (alcohol / food) when putting down another thing (dip). It's become a sad running joke for me, but I'm still working on my "quit weight" 8 years after I've quit.

That said... recognizing that there's a potential issue there is the first step towards doing something about it.

We've got a couple of sub-groups here on the forums that can potentially help using the same methods that we use for dip (roll call):

Alcohol Quit Group - if you want to quit drinking all together
topic/1003099/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003099/)

Alcohol Slow Down - I don't quit "get" this one, but I think it's for folks like you who are looking to "pump the brakes" a bit when it comes to drinking
topic/1004305/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004305/)

Happy to help in any way that I can!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: trigerhapy on January 16, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Jiffy
Hey everyone, figured this would be a good place to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm on day 99 of my quit (HOF tomorrow) - and my trigger was always when I got home from work, and sat down to watch TV, play video games or do yard work. Occasionally, like most guys I'd have a beer or two to accompany the dip while doing these activities. As of late, I've noticed I'm drinking a little more....not a whole lot more, but enough to notice. An extra beer or two, and an extra day or two throughout the week. I know the seriousness of alcoholism and I've been studying the warning signs and how people drop one addiction for another. How do you guys deal with this, just halt the booze all together for a period of time? Granted....this all takes place in the evening before bed. Any information at all would be awesome.
Great point, I find my self craving booze all the more.
Day 12 here, my 2 week hump started early I think. I feel like I'm on day 4 and going backwards in time.
Can any any vets here weigh in on the booze cravings?
I imagine its a pretty touchy subject.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 16, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: trigerhapy
Quote from: Jiffy
Hey everyone, figured this would be a good place to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm on day 99 of my quit (HOF tomorrow) - and my trigger was always when I got home from work, and sat down to watch TV, play video games or do yard work. Occasionally, like most guys I'd have a beer or two to accompany the dip while doing these activities. As of late, I've noticed I'm drinking a little more....not a whole lot more, but enough to notice. An extra beer or two, and an extra day or two throughout the week. I know the seriousness of alcoholism and I've been studying the warning signs and how people drop one addiction for another. How do you guys deal with this, just halt the booze all together for a period of time? Granted....this all takes place in the evening before bed. Any information at all would be awesome.
Great point, I find my self craving booze all the more.
Day 12 here, my 2 week hump started early I think. I feel like I'm on day 4 and going backwards in time.
Can any any vets here weigh in on the booze cravings?
I imagine its a pretty touchy subject.
*bumpfix*

Jiffy -

We (addicts) have a ton in common. One thing is our addictive personalities. As you've correctly pointed out, this tends to lead to overindulgance of one thing (alcohol / food) when putting down another thing (dip). It's become a sad running joke for me, but I'm still working on my "quit weight" 8 years after I've quit.

That said... recognizing that there's a potential issue there is the first step towards doing something about it.

We've got a couple of sub-groups here on the forums that can potentially help using the same methods that we use for dip (roll call):

Alcohol Quit Group - if you want to quit drinking all together
topic/1003099/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003099/)

Alcohol Slow Down - I don't quit "get" this one, but I think it's for folks like you who are looking to "pump the brakes" a bit when it comes to drinking
topic/1004305/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004305/)

Happy to help in any way that I can!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 16, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: trigerhapy
Quote from: Jiffy
Hey everyone, figured this would be a good place to ask a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm on day 99 of my quit (HOF tomorrow) - and my trigger was always when I got home from work, and sat down to watch TV, play video games or do yard work. Occasionally, like most guys I'd have a beer or two to accompany the dip while doing these activities. As of late, I've noticed I'm drinking a little more....not a whole lot more, but enough to notice. An extra beer or two, and an extra day or two throughout the week. I know the seriousness of alcoholism and I've been studying the warning signs and how people drop one addiction for another. How do you guys deal with this, just halt the booze all together for a period of time? Granted....this all takes place in the evening before bed. Any information at all would be awesome.
Great point, I find my self craving booze all the more.
Day 12 here, my 2 week hump started early I think. I feel like I'm on day 4 and going backwards in time.
Can any any vets here weigh in on the booze cravings?
I imagine its a pretty touchy subject.
*bumpfix*

Jiffy -

We (addicts) have a ton in common. One thing is our addictive personalities. As you've correctly pointed out, this tends to lead to overindulgance of one thing (alcohol / food) when putting down another thing (dip). It's become a sad running joke for me, but I'm still working on my "quit weight" 8 years after I've quit.

That said... recognizing that there's a potential issue there is the first step towards doing something about it.

We've got a couple of sub-groups here on the forums that can potentially help using the same methods that we use for dip (roll call):

Alcohol Quit Group - if you want to quit drinking all together
topic/1003099/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003099/)

Alcohol Slow Down - I don't quit "get" this one, but I think it's for folks like you who are looking to "pump the brakes" a bit when it comes to drinking
topic/1004305/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004305/)

Happy to help in any way that I can!

chewie
I have posted on a similar string of thoughts before. Quitting nicotine and chew uncovers some more issues.
I did this and it might work for you, make yourself a couple goals:
1. no beers Monday - Thursday
2. instead of sitting on the couch, exercise and work up a sweat, the body will crave water and Gatorade instead of beer
3. when you usually drink beer, drink hot tea instead
4. on weekends don't let yourself over compensate, keep it slow, a couple beers and drink water beforehand
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 16, 2015, 12:10:00 PM
Read this dear abby article: guy loses one lung to smoking, keep smoking with one lung.... no nicotine ever....
http://news.yahoo.com/losing-lung-no-de ... 11002.html (http://news.yahoo.com/losing-lung-no-deterrent-man-addicted-smoking-050011002.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Houston on January 18, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
Hey guys. Hope everyone is charging forward into the new year. I need some help from other quitters. I dipped for a can a day for 24 years ( roughly 8760 cans of snuff) and loved every minute of it. I quit on February 15, 2014. So almost a year into it and have never went back. Please don't congratulate me, I am not here for support and feel if you need some one to tell you can do it every 5 min then you need to grow up and realize why you are quitting ( insert pic of your kids). I am a orthopedic surgeon and have exhausted every medical exam possible and still can't find an answer. I chewed Nicorette until the end of February 2014 sometime and got the classic slightly buzzed dizziness that is referred to as fog. The problem is I am still experiencing it allday everyday. It has gotten better since last year but still there, and have never fully returned to normal. Please don't suggest and medical tests, all been exhausted and all normal. I am looking long term quitters that may be experiencing the same condition. I believe these type of conditions are caused by blood sugar issues following long term nicotine stimulatin of the pancrease to small amounts of constant insulin and when taken away leads to a reactive hypoglycemia state. If interested please let me know and I would love to discuss these nicotine effects on glucose regulation. Anyone else still dealing with this please let me know, would validate nicotine withdrawl symptoms VS. Unknown mysterious medical condition.

Thanks,
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on January 19, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: mikeshatt
Hello all.
My name is Mike, and I am a Dipper.
I took my last Dip 1/12. after 35 year of dipping.
Welcome Mike - congrats on a GREAT decision!!!

Head on over to April 2015 and introduce yourself and post roll.
topic/10847546/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/)

Let us know how we can help!
Guess it wasn't his last dip since there is only 4 posts and no activity since the 15th!!! Mike, put on your bog boy pants and post up a day 1!!! the quitten is good over here!!!! You will NEVER regret quitting and you will ALWAYS regret caving!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: 30yraddict on January 19, 2015, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Houston
Hey guys. Hope everyone is charging forward into the new year. I need some help from other quitters. I dipped for a can a day for 24 years ( roughly 8760 cans of snuff) and loved every minute of it. I quit on February 15, 2014. So almost a year into it and have never went back. Please don't congratulate me, I am not here for support and feel if you need some one to tell you can do it every 5 min then you need to grow up and realize why you are quitting ( insert pic of your kids). I am a orthopedic surgeon and have exhausted every medical exam possible and still can't find an answer. I chewed Nicorette until the end of February 2014 sometime and got the classic slightly buzzed dizziness that is referred to as fog. The problem is I am still experiencing it allday everyday. It has gotten better since last year but still there, and have never fully returned to normal. Please don't suggest and medical tests, all been exhausted and all normal. I am looking long term quitters that may be experiencing the same condition. I believe these type of conditions are caused by blood sugar issues following long term nicotine stimulatin of the pancrease to small amounts of constant insulin and when taken away leads to a reactive hypoglycemia state. If interested please let me know and I would love to discuss these nicotine effects on glucose regulation. Anyone else still dealing with this please let me know, would validate nicotine withdrawl symptoms VS. Unknown mysterious medical condition.

Thanks,
Thanks for stopping by Houston.

Glad you are not currently using tobacco.

To answer your question: I've been here for 4 years, and I can't recall anyone posting anything about a "long term fog" the way you are describing.

On another note - you may not think you need help, but judging by the copious amount of addict speak in your post, you actually do. However, you have to be at the point where you are willing to have an open mind. Let me know if you would like us to point out some flaws in your thinking that might help you to be successful. There really is no shame in asking for help or support. That's what we do here.

For the record, we have a 100% success rate for the people who precisely follow the program we use. If you would like to know more about it, shoot me a pm.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 20, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
Quote from: btfd0227
Hi all,

I decided to join this group after my family each individually talked to me about "killing the can". I am a 22 year old (nearly 23) former student athlete at a PAC-12 university and currently interning and coaching a sport part-time. I have been dipping since I was 18, in fact, my first can was on my 18th birthday and I have not stopped since.

After some thinking and self-reflecting, I figured out that I am not ready to give up the can. I really, REALLY want to be ready, but I am not. I joined this forum to help figure out how I can ready myself to quit and thus lead myself to quitting this disgusting and repulsive habit that I currently have.

I have had a girlfriend the past year and a half and I told her that I "used" to dip a long time ago, but she is in the dark about my habit- I have hid countless cans, bottles, etc., from her. I want to quit because of her. I have a 14 year old brother that has cried at night because he has seen the images of mouth, jaw, and throat cancer in his health classes and does not want to see his idol of an older brother turn out like that. I want to quit because of him. Both of my parents have expressed their concern about me and the financial weight that dipping has and how the money towards each can of tobacco can be used to pay for future expenses (rent, food, etc.), as well as their concern for my own well-being. I want to quit because of them.

But I am not ready to. I will be totally honest, I love dipping. After filling my stomach with a fantastic meal, I put one in. On my way to work, I put one in. Before and after practice, I put one in. Watching TV, going on Facebook, you name it, I put one in. I go through about a can every other day ($5 in my area). I can't get enough of it.

I know the consequences of it and I know that one day I will quit this. But I want that day to come MUCH sooner than later, and I was hoping that you all could help with that. How did you all decide, figure out, or come to peace with quitting? Because currently, I am at a loss and not near a crossroads. I know I need to quit and I want to, but not now.

Thank you and BTFD.
Unfortunately, none of us can say or do anything that will truly inspire you to quit. That has to come from within you.

You have to quit for you.

Not for your parents that are worried about the health and well-being of their son. Not for your younger brother that worries and cries about his "idol" today, but could very likely follow in your footsteps and pick the shit up himself tomorrow. Not for the girlfriend that you've been lying to for your entire relationship.

You need to quit for you, because it is you alone that will make the decision not to use each day.

My advice: Go get done. Do whatever it is you have to do, but go get done. Truly done. Done as in, you hate the shit and what it's done to you and your body. Done as in, you are disgusted with yourself for letting a weed rule your life and dictate your relationships (parents, brother, girlfriend). Done as in, you want your freedom back.

One final thing that I want you to know is that you are an addict with an addiction. Dipping isn't a habit, it's an addiction. You will be a nicotine addict for the rest of your life. When and if you ever decide to face your addiction, know that this is something you will never be cured of. Sure, it does get easier, but this is a fight you will fight for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on January 20, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
Compare this:
Quote
I will be totally honest, I love dipping. After filling my stomach with a fantastic meal, I put one in. On my way to work, I put one in. Before and after practice, I put one in. Watching TV, going on Facebook, you name it, I put one in. I go through about a can every other day ($5 in my area). I can't get enough of it.
to This:
Quote
I will be totally honest, I love meth. After filling my stomach with a fantastic meal, I do meth. On my way to work, I do meth. Before and after practice, I do meth. Watching TV, going on Facebook, you name it, I do meth. I go through about a teenth every other day other day ($50 in my area). I can't get enough of it.
One may be more deadly than the other, but they're both addictions. You do not love to dip. You just can't live without it. You love that it makes the withdrawal symptoms go away temporarily.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Justin2551 on January 20, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
I've been dipping 6 years at a can a day...just flushed a full can down the toilet...read a lot on this site and it is very inspiring. I've tried quitting a few times and failed but this time will be different.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: HuskerTony on January 21, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
my name is Tony and my quit day was yesterday after 20 years of dipping. I didn't do it as much as i used to, I would go all day at work without and then have one at night. I have two young kids that would ask me why I put that stuff in my mouth and I didn't have a good answer. I figure now is as good a time as any. My fear is dealing witht he triggers i have that make me want a dip....drinking a beer, watching sports, being outside, fishing, hunting.....dear Lord give me the strength to get through this.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 21, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Justin2551
I've been dipping 6 years at a can a day...just flushed a full can down the toilet...read a lot on this site and it is very inspiring. I've tried quitting a few times and failed but this time will be different.
Welcome. Best decision you will ever make. Today should be Day 2 for you, so head on over to your April 2015 Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/475/#new) and let's get this thing going.

Remember, we don't try to quit here. We just quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 21, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: HuskerTony
my name is Tony and my quit day was yesterday after 20 years of dipping. I didn't do it as much as i used to, I would go all day at work without and then have one at night. I have two young kids that would ask me why I put that stuff in my mouth and I didn't have a good answer. I figure now is as good a time as any. My fear is dealing witht he triggers i have that make me want a dip....drinking a beer, watching sports, being outside, fishing, hunting.....dear Lord give me the strength to get through this.
Welcome to Day 2. It's gonna suck, but you can absolutely do this. The strength is already within you to be victorious one day at a time against your addiction. First thing's first: head on over to the April 2015 Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/475/#new) (this is your group), post roll, and start consuming everything you possibly can on this site.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on January 21, 2015, 12:52:00 PM
Quote
My fear is dealing witht he triggers i have that make me want a dip....drinking a beer, watching sports, being outside, fishing, hunting.....dear Lord give me the strength to get through this.
I hear ya brother. I am on day 23 of my quit. I was pretty stressed out from work and lots of bad news plastered all over the news last night. (I am a consultant in the Oil and Gas Industry) I really wanted a Dip and a Stiff Drink. Luckily I did not partake in either.

This is the longest I have gone without a can of Cope in over 30yrs and I am not going to fail now.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 21, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
Scientists Say It Only Takes 66 Days To Change Your Life
http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/01/sci ... your-life/ (http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/01/scientists-say-it-only-takes-66-days-to-change-your-life/)

The issue I've got here is the word "habit" as its used... we're not dealing with habits... we're dealing with addiction. Big difference.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 22, 2015, 09:21:00 AM
We've got 4 quitters hitting NINE YEARS today and tomorrow in May 2006!

topic/1003051/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003051/)

MAD props gentlemen... thanks for leading the way and showing us how it's done!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 22, 2015, 12:30:00 PM
For all of you that think 'vaping' is safe.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/yo ... gs-n290826 (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/you-vape-high-levels-formaldehyde-hidden-e-cigs-n290826)

Stop killing yourself. Quit. Now.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on January 22, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
Interesting take on addiction. Long but good read, imo.

Quit on...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936 (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G on January 22, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
Quote from: Diesel2112
Interesting take on addiction. Long but good read, imo.

Quit on...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936 (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936)
I just came in here to drop that link. Agree that it's an interesting read.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on January 22, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: gmann
Quote from: Diesel2112
Interesting take on addiction. Long but good read, imo.

Quit on...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936 (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936)
I just came in here to drop that link. Agree that it's an interesting read.
Not sure I agree with all of it. I was actually in a good place when my dumb ass got addicted to that shit. However being in a happy place like this helped when I wanted to QUIT that shit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: YoungBlood on January 23, 2015, 06:41:00 PM
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 23, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: YoungBlood on January 23, 2015, 07:29:00 PM
I am not sure how to work the web-site either. that scares the heck out of me..
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 23, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: YoungBlood
I am not sure how to work the web-site either. that scares the heck out of me..
You figured out how to post and you know how to use PM's. That's more than enough to get you going. Dump those tins, go over to the May 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/10/#new) quit group and post roll.

I can think of plenty of things a hell of a lot more scary than figuring out a website. Bone saws removing cancer-infested jaws comes to mind.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: canless2014 on January 24, 2015, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 24, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: canless2014
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
Youngblood, listen to these two seasoned quitters ^^^
You are making excuses; forever seems long and website seems hard to work... I used to make tons of excuses and delay quitting; after this can, next week, on this day...
I could come up with million others as could anyone, making excuses and not quitting is easy.
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Ginet on January 24, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: canless2014
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
Youngblood, listen to these two seasoned quitters ^^^
You are making excuses; forever seems long and website seems hard to work... I used to make tons of excuses and delay quitting; after this can, next week, on this day...
I could come up with million others as could anyone, making excuses and not quitting is easy.
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Hi there YB - I read that you joined over 2 weeks ago. That is 14 days you could have been free of that drug, that poison. Do you know how may times I "planned" to quit or "thought about quitting".....several birthdays, lots of new year's day, the first of a month was always a good time, so was the days when the prices of a can increased. It never worked. I kept using. 22 years of feeding my lip, poisoning my body and risking my life.

Everything you say is truly an excuse. I understand that. It is underlined in fear. Fear of being without your nicotine. Fear of failing. Fear of how it feels and hurts to go thru withdrawals. I get that. See, what we have in common is addiction. I NEVER thought I could do anything without a dip.....EVER. I was so afraid of how much it would suck. I was even more afraid to jump all in, feel totally determined and give these people my word for today only to fail. This is all what addiction has done to me. The list is long. Thinking about forever just isn't going to work. You can only deal with today. All of us just deal with today. Day counts are just reminders that this place works, and these methods work. Each day is special and precious. Each day, I guard that day and every day that came before it.

Now, how do you overcome that fear? You have to want this. You have to WANT to be quit. Not hope you can do it, not want to try really hard, but truly WANT to be quit. That will be your driving force to keep your word and battle thru all that comes with quitting.

Your addiction is controlling you. Take YOU back. Quit with us. Any single hand that is held out for you is all you need to grab. Pick one. Any single one. We will quit with you.

Do you WANT to be quit? I am going to be here quitting all day like a girl because I gave my word. Give us yours. Find freedom. Eliminate fear. Be quit!

PS - Chicks don't dig dudes with half jaws.

Ginet day 392 LF
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Southpaw32 on January 25, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: Ginet
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: canless2014
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
Youngblood, listen to these two seasoned quitters ^^^
You are making excuses; forever seems long and website seems hard to work... I used to make tons of excuses and delay quitting; after this can, next week, on this day...
I could come up with million others as could anyone, making excuses and not quitting is easy.
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Hi there YB - I read that you joined over 2 weeks ago. That is 14 days you could have been free of that drug, that poison. Do you know how may times I "planned" to quit or "thought about quitting".....several birthdays, lots of new year's day, the first of a month was always a good time, so was the days when the prices of a can increased. It never worked. I kept using. 22 years of feeding my lip, poisoning my body and risking my life.

Everything you say is truly an excuse. I understand that. It is underlined in fear. Fear of being without your nicotine. Fear of failing. Fear of how it feels and hurts to go thru withdrawals. I get that. See, what we have in common is addiction. I NEVER thought I could do anything without a dip.....EVER. I was so afraid of how much it would suck. I was even more afraid to jump all in, feel totally determined and give these people my word for today only to fail. This is all what addiction has done to me. The list is long. Thinking about forever just isn't going to work. You can only deal with today. All of us just deal with today. Day counts are just reminders that this place works, and these methods work. Each day is special and precious. Each day, I guard that day and every day that came before it.

Now, how do you overcome that fear? You have to want this. You have to WANT to be quit. Not hope you can do it, not want to try really hard, but truly WANT to be quit. That will be your driving force to keep your word and battle thru all that comes with quitting.

Your addiction is controlling you. Take YOU back. Quit with us. Any single hand that is held out for you is all you need to grab. Pick one. Any single one. We will quit with you.

Do you WANT to be quit? I am going to be here quitting all day like a girl because I gave my word. Give us yours. Find freedom. Eliminate fear. Be quit!

PS - Chicks don't dig dudes with half jaws.

Ginet day 392 LF
I am assuming youngblood is a young guy (not sure how young or what is defined as young) but I am a "young blood" as well when it comes to this site. I dipped for 10 years and quit when I was 24. I'll let you in on a little secret youngblood, thinking about forever is a good way to scare yourself out of commitment.

Thinking about being quit at 60 years old when I first started quitting was a scary thought. How am I going to avoid dip for that long? But I don't have to be worried about being quit at 60, I only have to worry about being quit today. I'm 25 now and I love waking up every morning and starting my day off with a fresh hot cup of quit. It is so much better than a poisonous cat turd (trust me I tried both and quit wins everytime).

So back to my advice for you, STOP THINKING ABOUT FOREVER!! START THINKING ABOUT TODAY!

Be quit today and tomorrow will deal with itself.

Sincerely,

SP - 212 straight days of quit
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Jeff W. on January 25, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Quote from: Ginet
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: canless2014
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
Youngblood, listen to these two seasoned quitters ^^^
You are making excuses; forever seems long and website seems hard to work... I used to make tons of excuses and delay quitting; after this can, next week, on this day...
I could come up with million others as could anyone, making excuses and not quitting is easy.
"Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty... I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Hi there YB - I read that you joined over 2 weeks ago. That is 14 days you could have been free of that drug, that poison. Do you know how may times I "planned" to quit or "thought about quitting".....several birthdays, lots of new year's day, the first of a month was always a good time, so was the days when the prices of a can increased. It never worked. I kept using. 22 years of feeding my lip, poisoning my body and risking my life.

Everything you say is truly an excuse. I understand that. It is underlined in fear. Fear of being without your nicotine. Fear of failing. Fear of how it feels and hurts to go thru withdrawals. I get that. See, what we have in common is addiction. I NEVER thought I could do anything without a dip.....EVER. I was so afraid of how much it would suck. I was even more afraid to jump all in, feel totally determined and give these people my word for today only to fail. This is all what addiction has done to me. The list is long. Thinking about forever just isn't going to work. You can only deal with today. All of us just deal with today. Day counts are just reminders that this place works, and these methods work. Each day is special and precious. Each day, I guard that day and every day that came before it.

Now, how do you overcome that fear? You have to want this. You have to WANT to be quit. Not hope you can do it, not want to try really hard, but truly WANT to be quit. That will be your driving force to keep your word and battle thru all that comes with quitting.

Your addiction is controlling you. Take YOU back. Quit with us. Any single hand that is held out for you is all you need to grab. Pick one. Any single one. We will quit with you.

Do you WANT to be quit? I am going to be here quitting all day like a girl because I gave my word. Give us yours. Find freedom. Eliminate fear. Be quit!

PS - Chicks don't dig dudes with half jaws.

Ginet day 392 LF
QFT
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: canless2014 on January 25, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
For anyone who hasn't been in May yet, you will see that YoungBlood has joined us and posted his Day 2 today. Now let's all extend those hands we promised. Quit with all of you nic-kickin' rockstars
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lee G on January 26, 2015, 11:22:00 AM
Hey ppl. I'm new here, quit smoking yesterday and to be honest I'm going out my nut.

I am not using anything to help me, don't see the point in putting nic replacements into me when trying to get it out of me.
Caught myself with tears earlier, felt like my insides were tearing me apart.

I'll give this place a go ?

Lee
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Its_Got2Happen on January 26, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
Surprise surprise, e-cigs are more carcinogenic than cigarettes.


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/838 ... =emailthis (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/838629?src=emailthis)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on January 26, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: Lee
Hey ppl. I'm new here, quit smoking yesterday and to be honest I'm going out my nut.

I am not using anything to help me, don't see the point in putting nic replacements into me when trying to get it out of me.
Caught myself with tears earlier, felt like my insides were tearing me apart.

I'll give this place a go ?

Lee
You came to the right place, buddy. This site is primarily oriented towards smokeless users, but at the end of the day, that's just another delivery system. Same goes for cigarettes. It all boils down to nicotine at the end of the day, and this is very firmly and very solidly a no-nicotine site.

You were very wise to cut out nicotine replacement "therapies" from the outset. That stuff is nothing more than the pharma companies trying to get a piece of your addiction.

Go ahead and post roll in the May 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/24/#new) quit group and let's get started.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jdingus on January 26, 2015, 03:06:00 PM
Hi all,

Stumbled across this site. I am glad I did. I have quit dipping last week on the 20th. I cheek was hurting me and I decided that enough was enough. I have dipped for 13 years. I am 28 years old now and i figured it was time to be finished with it. I went to walmart and bought some lozenges and I am going strong. Also tried the Smokey Mountain stuff as well. I figured I would say hello! My name is Jack Dingus and I am a Teacher/Football Coach in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 26, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: jdingus
Hi all,

Stumbled across this site. I am glad I did. I have quit dipping last week on the 20th. I cheek was hurting me and I decided that enough was enough. I have dipped for 13 years. I am 28 years old now and i figured it was time to be finished with it. I went to walmart and bought some lozenges and I am going strong. Also tried the Smokey Mountain stuff as well. I figured I would say hello! My name is Jack Dingus and I am a Teacher/Football Coach in Oklahoma.
Welcome Jack. I live in Maine, and coach gymnastics for a living.

You have not quit anything yet, Jack. If you are sucking on lozenges, then you are still sucking on the nic whore's teat. It is no accident that you are here. You are here to Quit. Then you must Quit. Dump every last lonzenge in the shitter and flush. Hit the Smokey Mountain hard if you like, but also get some regular (not nicotine) gum, seeds, tic tacs, what ever the Hell you need, just make sure it is 100% nicotine free.

You see Jack, this site, and all of its members are 100% nicotine free. We don't just quit dipping, and it is not a habit. This is an addiction to nicotine we are fighting every day. We do that first by posting roll. That is giving my word to my brothers that I will NOT use nicotine in ANY form for today. Just today.

Then I show up tomorrow and do it again.

You need to read a shit ton more here, and let us know when you're on board.

You will never regret Quitting. Not ever.

Nolaq - Day 1,778
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on January 26, 2015, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: jdingus
Hi all,

Stumbled across this site. I am glad I did. I have quit dipping last week on the 20th. I cheek was hurting me and I decided that enough was enough. I have dipped for 13 years. I am 28 years old now and i figured it was time to be finished with it. I went to walmart and bought some lozenges and I am going strong. Also tried the Smokey Mountain stuff as well. I figured I would say hello! My name is Jack Dingus and I am a Teacher/Football Coach in Oklahoma.
Welcome Jack. I live in Maine, and coach gymnastics for a living.

You have not quit anything yet, Jack. If you are sucking on lozenges, then you are still sucking on the nic whore's teat. It is no accident that you are here. You are here to Quit. Then you must Quit. Dump every last lonzenge in the shitter and flush. Hit the Smokey Mountain hard if you like, but also get some regular (not nicotine) gum, seeds, tic tacs, what ever the Hell you need, just make sure it is 100% nicotine free.

You see Jack, this site, and all of its members are 100% nicotine free. We don't just quit dipping, and it is not a habit. This is an addiction to nicotine we are fighting every day. We do that first by posting roll. That is giving my word to my brothers that I will NOT use nicotine in ANY form for today. Just today.

Then I show up tomorrow and do it again.

You need to read a shit ton more here, and let us know when you're on board.

You will never regret Quitting. Not ever.

Nolaq - Day 1,778
I love it when NOLAQ gets on a roll.

You've got one of the best telling you how it's done... next move is yours.

Hope to see you on roll.

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on January 26, 2015, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: jdingus
Hi all,

Stumbled across this site. I am glad I did. I have quit dipping last week on the 20th. I cheek was hurting me and I decided that enough was enough. I have dipped for 13 years. I am 28 years old now and i figured it was time to be finished with it. I went to walmart and bought some lozenges and I am going strong. Also tried the Smokey Mountain stuff as well. I figured I would say hello! My name is Jack Dingus and I am a Teacher/Football Coach in Oklahoma.
Welcome Jack. I live in Maine, and coach gymnastics for a living.

You have not quit anything yet, Jack. If you are sucking on lozenges, then you are still sucking on the nic whore's teat. It is no accident that you are here. You are here to Quit. Then you must Quit. Dump every last lonzenge in the shitter and flush. Hit the Smokey Mountain hard if you like, but also get some regular (not nicotine) gum, seeds, tic tacs, what ever the Hell you need, just make sure it is 100% nicotine free.

You see Jack, this site, and all of its members are 100% nicotine free. We don't just quit dipping, and it is not a habit. This is an addiction to nicotine we are fighting every day. We do that first by posting roll. That is giving my word to my brothers that I will NOT use nicotine in ANY form for today. Just today.

Then I show up tomorrow and do it again.

You need to read a shit ton more here, and let us know when you're on board.

You will never regret Quitting. Not ever.

Nolaq - Day 1,778
I love it when NOLAQ gets on a roll.

You've got one of the best telling you how it's done... next move is yours.

Hope to see you on roll.

chewie
Today is a great day to quit!!!! The quitting is GOOOOOOD in here!!!!

Kdip - Day 2,339
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G on January 27, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
Addiction doesn't care who you are...

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/26/ou ... same-time/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/26/our-president-can-walk-and-chew-nicotine-gum-at-the-same-time/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KCRoy on January 28, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
just want to say thank you to all the folks posting stuff. good and bad. i'm three days nic free. day two reading the posts was pretty cool when i thought i was losing my mind. is this the right forum for just regular chit chat (vs the web site comments?)

Roy
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on January 28, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: KCRoy
just want to say thank you to all the folks posting stuff. good and bad. i'm three days nic free. day two reading the posts was pretty cool when i thought i was losing my mind. is this the right forum for just regular chit chat (vs the web site comments?)

Roy
Great work with three days on your own! Now that you are a member you can post anywhere, there is also the wildcard section.
But most importantly, we post roll call each day, our daily promise to not use nicotine for 1 day. Then repeat...
Get over to May 2015 and post up!
topic/10927055/46/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/46/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 28, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: gmann
Addiction doesn't care who you are...

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/26/ou ... same-time/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/26/our-president-can-walk-and-chew-nicotine-gum-at-the-same-time/)
He's too big of a pussy to Quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: pa.redneck on January 29, 2015, 08:01:00 AM
he's too big a pussy period... I read that article - funny, my wife could smell when I had dip in the car, she could smell it from afar...

starting day 4 - jittery
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on January 29, 2015, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: pa.redneck
he's too big a pussy period... I read that article - funny, my wife could smell when I had dip in the car, she could smell it from afar...

starting day 4 - jittery
Day four is huge, redneck! Keep at it, you can do this.

My wife could smell it, too, and I was Ninja as shit. Glad I don't do that anymore.

Quit with you, bro.

Nolaq -Day 1,781
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: pa.redneck on January 29, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: pa.redneck
he's too big a pussy period... I read that article - funny, my wife could smell when I had dip in the car, she could smell it from afar...

starting day 4 - jittery
Day four is huge, redneck! Keep at it, you can do this.

My wife could smell it, too, and I was Ninja as shit. Glad I don't do that anymore.

Quit with you, bro.

Nolaq -Day 1,781
Imagine sitting in symphony hall just over a week ago, sipping on a bottle of water because you can't spit at the symphony - 'finger point' Making a last minute detour to the mens room to change out a dip so she didn't know...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Iquitforme on January 30, 2015, 12:18:00 AM
First time here, hope I'm doing this right. I think I started dipping Skoal when I was around 14. A bunch of my buddies tried it for the first time. Three of them threw up and never did it again. Three of us didn't throw up, and 36 years later I finally decided it was time to quit, so I did. I think I quit dipping around 12/27/2014, it might have been a day before or a day after. Anyway, I did the patch for two weeks, and it's been a little while since I've had any nicotine at all. I thought I was over it, then today was a rough day out of no where. I didn't dip, but found it interesting that after several "easy" days, today was full of cravings for some reason. Glad I found this site, I think it will help especially on days like today.

I'm finding that using tooth whitening trays helps with he oral fixation, and also helps clean up some self inflicted damage to the choppers ad well.

Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on January 30, 2015, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: Iquitforme
First time here, hope I'm doing this right. I think I started dipping Skoal when I was around 14. A bunch of my buddies tried it for the first time. Three of them threw up and never did it again. Three of us didn't throw up, and 36 years later I finally decided it was time to quit, so I did. I think I quit dipping around 12/27/2014, it might have been a day before or a day after. Anyway, I did the patch for two weeks, and it's been a little while since I've had any nicotine at all. I thought I was over it, then today was a rough day out of no where. I didn't dip, but found it interesting that after several "easy" days, today was full of cravings for some reason. Glad I found this site, I think it will help especially on days like today.

I'm finding that using tooth whitening trays helps with he oral fixation, and also helps clean up some self inflicted damage to the choppers ad well.

Good luck everyone.
You're come to the right place. Figure what day you stopped the patch and that will count as your day 1. Based pm 2 weeks after 12/27, you would be in the April 2015 HOF quit group. Post your roll/day count in that group and make an introduction and tell a little about yourself. We have a live chat option in a link to the upper right hand corner of your screen. You can DO this but it will take time after abusing that crap for 36 years. Also READ, READ, READ everything on this site. I would start with the Tom Kern Story. If you need anything feel free to PM me with the link in the top right hand corner of the screen. I did this crap for about as long as you did and I'm quit over 5 years now!!! NEVER want to go back!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Shawnmfdon on February 05, 2015, 11:05:00 PM
Shit I caved I will post new roll tommorrow I'm ready for the ass chewing that awaits and i deserve it .
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 06, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: Shawnmfdon
Shit I caved I will post new roll tommorrow I'm ready for the ass chewing that awaits and i deserve it .
woah woah woah....

you roll in here, drop this and leave? spill it. what the FUCK happened?

i'm not big on "the 3 questions" that are often asked around here, but this place in built on accountability... so be accountable. what happened?

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 06, 2015, 07:47:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Shawnmfdon
Shit I caved I will post new roll tommorrow I'm ready for the ass chewing that awaits and i deserve it .
woah woah woah....

you roll in here, drop this and leave? spill it. what the FUCK happened?

i'm not big on "the 3 questions" that are often asked around here, but this place in built on accountability... so be accountable. what happened?

chewie
You were 'Quit' for a total of 9 hours.

Nine. Hours.

You have two posts, one of which is 'Shit, I caved".

Are you for real? Before you type one more character on this website, you better read. And read. And read.

Half-assery is not accepted here.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Shawnmfdon on February 06, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
Last night right before I went to sleep I had a panic attack from hell I put one in and I have to admit it tasted like shit and I immediately spit it back out and posted I caved and went to sleep so here I go again Shawn posting roll day 1
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 06, 2015, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: Shawnmfdon
Last night right before I went to sleep I had a panic attack from hell I put one in and I have to admit it tasted like shit and I immediately spit it back out and posted I caved and went to sleep so here I go again Shawn posting roll day 1
No.

You didn't read anything. You don't have the first clue what this place is about.

Don't get me wrong, you're in the right place, but you need to work the program better than that.

Start with the Welcome Center. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/) It's on the main page.

Then find your group. It's May 2015. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/24/?x=90#new)

Post Roll.

Keep your WORD.

Repeat.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: YogiBear257 on February 06, 2015, 10:48:00 PM
Welp,

I have an inquiry my friends. Been struggling with this the past week and it is on my mind heavy tonight.

Let me preface by saying I am not having cravings or anything.


So as some/many/all/none know I hit my HoF, then caved, then dipped for a while, then quit for over hundred days without the site and came back. I was (and still am) excited and feeling good again.

But a problem/issue is coming up.

When I was quit without the site, dip only entered my mind for a half second crave and it was diminished. It felt like I'd go days and even weeks without thinking of it. Since I came back, every day "dip" is on my mind more than it was before by the simple fact of association. I don't have feelings of caving but I just don't like the fact that I am even having it come into my mind this much.

I have no intention of leaving but I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone else has had this issue?

Thanks guys,
Happy to be quit with you,

Yogi
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Its_Got2Happen on February 07, 2015, 06:36:00 AM
Quote from: YogiBear257
Welp,

I have an inquiry my friends. Been struggling with this the past week and it is on my mind heavy tonight.

Let me preface by saying I am not having cravings or anything.


So as some/many/all/none know I hit my HoF, then caved, then dipped for a while, then quit for over hundred days without the site and came back. I was (and still am) excited and feeling good again.

But a problem/issue is coming up.

When I was quit without the site, dip only entered my mind for a half second crave and it was diminished. It felt like I'd go days and even weeks without thinking of it. Since I came back, every day "dip" is on my mind more than it was before by the simple fact of association. I don't have feelings of caving but I just don't like the fact that I am even having it come into my mind this much.

I have no intention of leaving but I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone else has had this issue?

Thanks guys,
Happy to be quit with you,

Yogi
Can't speak for everyone yogi. But personally I want dip on my mind. Want is the wrong word...... Need. I need dip to stay on my mind. I used to feel just like you are explaining and that would frustrate me. But now I see it differently. I am an addict. I do not ever want to forget the control that I allowed nicotine to have over my life. The daily reminder is the price I pay for my freedom.

As far as thinking about it all day long...that will pass yogi. Give it time. How many years did you use?? How many days have you been quit??

Stay the course. You are quit now. Go live your life. Forget about how you feel about it. You are not a product of your thought life. You are a product if your actions and behavior.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 07, 2015, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: Its_Got2Happen
Quote from: YogiBear257
Welp,

I have an inquiry my friends. Been struggling with this the past week and it is on my mind heavy tonight.

Let me preface by saying I am not having cravings or anything.


So as some/many/all/none know I hit my HoF, then caved, then dipped for a while, then quit for over hundred days without the site and came back. I was (and still am) excited and feeling good again.

But a problem/issue is coming up.

When I was quit without the site, dip only entered my mind for a half second crave and it was diminished. It felt like I'd go days and even weeks without thinking of it. Since I came back, every day "dip" is on my mind more than it was before by the simple fact of association. I don't have feelings of caving but I just don't like the fact that I am even having it come into my mind this much.

I have no intention of leaving but I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone else has had this issue?

Thanks guys,
Happy to be quit with you,

Yogi
Can't speak for everyone yogi. But personally I want dip on my mind. Want is the wrong word...... Need. I need dip to stay on my mind. I used to feel just like you are explaining and that would frustrate me. But now I see it differently. I am an addict. I do not ever want to forget the control that I allowed nicotine to have over my life. The daily reminder is the price I pay for my freedom.

As far as thinking about it all day long...that will pass yogi. Give it time. How many years did you use?? How many days have you been quit??

Stay the course. You are quit now. Go live your life. Forget about how you feel about it. You are not a product of your thought life. You are a product if your actions and behavior.
Yep... totally valid question.

This may be helpful:
How Long Should I Stay On KTC? When To Leave?
http://www.killthecan.org/how-long-shou ... -to-leave/ (http://www.killthecan.org/how-long-should-i-stay-on-ktc-when-to-leave/)

Keep doing what you're doing bro... freedom is amazing.

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 07, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
Very interesting take on addiction. Anyone ever read this guy's book?
http://youtu.be/PxmvFRtYuYQ (http://youtu.be/PxmvFRtYuYQ)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: PCFRANK on February 07, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
Dipped over 35 yrs, mostly Cope. At worst I was opening a using 10 - 11 tins a week.

I totaly quit dipping 2 yrs ago, but that doesn't mean I quit wanting a dip. Hell, sometimes I still wanna dip so bad I seems like I've still got the poison in my gut physicaly craving it.

I stay QUIT 'cause I know I'm healthier, my mouth and throut don't hurt any more and the teeth I have left will probaly stay with me. I lost teeth due to the damn spit over the years.

Aint a fancy orotor or writer, but hope I can get my point across - quitting isn't gonna be easy, it's gonna be real unpleasant. The people you are going to affect the most by your onreness, and agrevation while you are going thru the first few days may not be real supportive. It's hard for folks who haven't walked in a long time dippers moccisons to appreciate, or even beleive that a little thing like chew can have such an effect on a grown man.

To be honest, I was embarrassed at how much of a whoose I acted the first several days of quit. I look back now and realize what a friggen hold the spit had on me that I couldn't even quit it without loosing control of my temper, and worse, I felt I lost my self respect not being in total control of myself.

Any way, I'm done rambling on, just hope you young fellas quit NOW and for good, and for you older guys, hope you quit in time before your health goes to hell in a can

Frank
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: mft1228 on February 08, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Shawnmfdon
Last night right before I went to sleep I had a panic attack from hell I put one in and I have to admit it tasted like shit and I immediately spit it back out and posted I caved and went to sleep so here I go again Shawn posting roll day 1
No.

You didn't read anything. You don't have the first clue what this place is about.

Don't get me wrong, you're in the right place, but you need to work the program better than that.

Start with the Welcome Center. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/) It's on the main page.

Then find your group. It's May 2015. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/24/?x=90#new)

Post Roll.

Keep your WORD.

Repeat.
Is it just me or does everyone else think that Nolaq actually looks like R. Lee?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on February 09, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: PCFRANK
Dipped over 35 yrs, mostly Cope. At worst I was opening a using 10 - 11 tins a week.

I totaly quit dipping 2 yrs ago, but that doesn't mean I quit wanting a dip. Hell, sometimes I still wanna dip so bad I seems like I've still got the poison in my gut physicaly craving it.

I stay QUIT 'cause I know I'm healthier, my mouth and throut don't hurt any more and the teeth I have left will probaly stay with me. I lost teeth due to the damn spit over the years.

Aint a fancy orotor or writer, but hope I can get my point across - quitting isn't gonna be easy, it's gonna be real unpleasant. The people you are going to affect the most by your onreness, and agrevation while you are going thru the first few days may not be real supportive. It's hard for folks who haven't walked in a long time dippers moccisons to appreciate, or even beleive that a little thing like chew can have such an effect on a grown man.

To be honest, I was embarrassed at how much of a whoose I acted the first several days of quit. I look back now and realize what a friggen hold the spit had on me that I couldn't even quit it without loosing control of my temper, and worse, I felt I lost my self respect not being in total control of myself.

Any way, I'm done rambling on, just hope you young fellas quit NOW and for good, and for you older guys, hope you quit in time before your health goes to hell in a can

Frank
Welcome, and congrats on being quit for two years. I'm glad you decided to join up and jump on in. Two years removed from nicotine and still having cravings is a powerful message that a lot of the newer guys need to hear. The ones that think they are "cured" after 30 days, 100 days, or even 730+ days.

It would be great if you started posting roll in whichever late-2012 or early-2013 quit group you belong to. They'd welcome another solid quitter to their ranks for sure.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 09, 2015, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: mft1228
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Shawnmfdon
Last night right before I went to sleep I had a panic attack from hell I put one in and I have to admit it tasted like shit and I immediately spit it back out and posted I caved and went to sleep so here I go again Shawn posting roll day 1
No.

You didn't read anything. You don't have the first clue what this place is about.

Don't get me wrong, you're in the right place, but you need to work the program better than that.

Start with the Welcome Center. (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/) It's on the main page.

Then find your group. It's May 2015. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/24/?x=90#new)

Post Roll.

Keep your WORD.

Repeat.
Is it just me or does everyone else think that Nolaq actually looks like R. Lee?
Nah, I'm better lookin'! 'winker'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: woodsmith on February 11, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
This is my 1st post on here. I hope I'm in the right place. The last dip I had was on January 28. I started when I was 12 and I just turned 52 early Feb. Almost 40 yrs is enough, way too much. There was only 3 choices when I started.Skoal Original Fine Cut (which is what I always dipped), Copenhagen and Happy Days. Today marks 2 weeks for me and to be perfectly honest, I don't miss it one bit. I really only had 1 craving for it around day 3. I just finally decided I had enough and was taking my life back. No more. Never again.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jeeptruck on February 11, 2015, 04:10:00 PM
I found a mouse in my desk. that is all.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jeeptruck on February 11, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: woodsmith
This is my 1st post on here. I hope I'm in the right place. The last dip I had was on January 28. I started when I was 12 and I just turned 52 early Feb. Almost 40 yrs is enough, way too much. There was only 3 choices when I started.Skoal Original Fine Cut (which is what I always dipped), Copenhagen and Happy Days. Today marks 2 weeks for me and to be perfectly honest, I don't miss it one bit. I really only had 1 craving for it around day 3. I just finally decided I had enough and was taking my life back. No more. Never again.
well hello there Woodsmith!!

Have you posted with May 2015? thatll be your quit group, or the group youll hit 100 days with. quit one day at a time with those guys and you cant lose! congras on pulling your head out of your ass and quitting. welcome to the cool kids club
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gowgow on February 11, 2015, 08:07:00 PM
Hello, first time poster. I've been chewing for the better part of 23 years. I did manage to quit before and honestly I don't remember how long I made it. I think one time was perhaps a couple years.

It seems like I've been trying to quit for a long time, but never seem to be able to succeed. What seems to happen with me is that I quit for several days and then tell myself "Hey I've managed to stop for a few days... I must not be all that addicted!" And then I buy a can to reward myself. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Before I know it, I'm back into the habit.

So far I'm 6 days without chewing, so that's a reasonably good accomplishment for me. I'm on the 2mg gum, but haven't been chewing more than 3 or 4 pieces per day.
Every single day of the week I've had moments where I've considered going to buy a can, and I let myself feel that way for awhile before popping a piece of gum. I think that for me, I want to avoid getting in the habit of routinely chewing the gum and instead use it only when I really need it. When I do pop the gum it definitely helps me get past that feeling where i need to buy a can.

I'm really really hoping that I'll be able to do this! I definitely chew when I get stressed out, so I need to be really careful to properly deal with those stress triggers. So far so good.

A bit more about my habit. I've hidden it (at least tried to) from most everyone, so I tend to only chew not all day long. Instead, I would go into the bathroom during the work day, or when I'm taking a shower at home, and I'd put in a really huge dip. Since I would only be able to keep it in for 10-15 minutes, I tended to take it out and re-use it. Did any of you do this? It's kind of gross, but it became second nature to me and I found that a single huge dip could be reused 2-3 times. I would tend to go through a can around every 2-3 days, but this was only because I did my reuse trick.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Frazzled on February 12, 2015, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: gowgow
Hello, first time poster. I've been chewing for the better part of 23 years. I did manage to quit before and honestly I don't remember how long I made it. I think one time was perhaps a couple years.

It seems like I've been trying to quit for a long time, but never seem to be able to succeed. What seems to happen with me is that I quit for several days and then tell myself "Hey I've managed to stop for a few days... I must not be all that addicted!" And then I buy a can to reward myself. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Before I know it, I'm back into the habit.

So far I'm 6 days without chewing, so that's a reasonably good accomplishment for me. I'm on the 2mg gum, but haven't been chewing more than 3 or 4 pieces per day.
Every single day of the week I've had moments where I've considered going to buy a can, and I let myself feel that way for awhile before popping a piece of gum. I think that for me, I want to avoid getting in the habit of routinely chewing the gum and instead use it only when I really need it. When I do pop the gum it definitely helps me get past that feeling where i need to buy a can.

I'm really really hoping that I'll be able to do this! I definitely chew when I get stressed out, so I need to be really careful to properly deal with those stress triggers. So far so good.

A bit more about my habit. I've hidden it (at least tried to) from most everyone, so I tend to only chew not all day long. Instead, I would go into the bathroom during the work day, or when I'm taking a shower at home, and I'd put in a really huge dip. Since I would only be able to keep it in for 10-15 minutes, I tended to take it out and re-use it. Did any of you do this? It's kind of gross, but it became second nature to me and I found that a single huge dip could be reused 2-3 times. I would tend to go through a can around every 2-3 days, but this was only because I did my reuse trick.







So gowgow, a couple of things...

This is a cold turkey quit site. BY replacing dip with the gum, you're merely substituting one method of nicotine delivery for another. In reality, when you feel "stressed out", you're really going through withdrawal from nicotine, and by using the gum, you''re not freeing yourself of your addiction.

You aren't quit. You've never been quit. You've merely stopped and/or replaced one method of ingesting poison with another.

The only way this is going to work is for you to dump your stash of gum, and get quit. I'm not going to try to fool you, because it is going to suck big time. But if you can make it past 72 hours without dip or gum, the nicotine is out of your system once and for all. Why keep feeding you addiction instead of ramming it head on and addressing it?

You're welcome to peruse the site while you're using the gum, but I would encourage you to do what others encouraged me to do 1503 days ago:

Dump the gum, get rid of all the cans you have, and post a Day 1 in May 2015.

You need any help, shoot me a PM and I will be glad to help. We are a no nicotine in any form kind of site. You aren't Quit until you make that move.

Join us.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gowgow on February 14, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Quote
This is a cold turkey quit site. BY replacing dip with the gum, you're merely substituting one method of nicotine delivery for another. In reality, when you feel "stressed out", you're really going through withdrawal from nicotine, and by using the gum, you''re not freeing yourself of your addiction.
Thanks. I've quit now... day 3.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Frazzled on February 14, 2015, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: gowgow
Quote
This is a cold turkey quit site. BY replacing dip with the gum, you're merely substituting one method of nicotine delivery for another. In reality, when you feel "stressed out", you're really going through withdrawal from nicotine, and by using the gum, you''re not freeing yourself of your addiction.
Thanks. I've quit now... day 3.
Glad to see you made it to roll...read all you can, and reach out if you need anything. Get to know your brothers in May 2015...they will become a huge part of your life, much more than just part of your support network.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: woodytx on February 16, 2015, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Frazzled
Quote from: gowgow
Quote
This is a cold turkey quit site. BY replacing dip with the gum, you're merely substituting one method of nicotine delivery for another. In reality, when you feel "stressed out", you're really going through withdrawal from nicotine, and by using the gum, you''re not freeing yourself of your addiction.
Thanks. I've quit now... day 3.
Glad to see you made it to roll...read all you can, and reach out if you need anything. Get to know your brothers in May 2015...they will become a huge part of your life, much more than just part of your support network.
Nice. Have a look at all the responses to this article from nicorette addicts: http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Smoking-Ad ... show/43418 (http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Smoking-Addiction/Nicorette-Addiction/show/43418)

It's a very real addiction.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: brianinbama on February 16, 2015, 09:17:00 PM
Just joined the site. Took my last chew of Red Man Golden Blend this afternoon. I am 41 and have chewed since I was 14.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: brianinbama on February 17, 2015, 02:27:00 AM
First night and I wake up at 1:30 sweating.... pounding headache
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Petieboy on February 17, 2015, 05:11:00 AM
How's it goin guys I am a United States Marine and I'm new to this site and I'm on quit day one. I managed to quit for a month and a half during a tour in Afghanistan however I didn't even make it 2 weeks back in America.. I am extremly motivated to quit for good this time but the struggle for me is that everyone I know/work with dips and smokes or both. we work early mornings and late nights especially training in the field and it seems dip is what keeps me goin sometimes. Is there anyone out there with experience fighting the uphill battle of quitting the Chaw when your constantly surrounded by it?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 17, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: Petieboy
How's it goin guys I am a United States Marine and I'm new to this site and I'm on quit day one. I managed to quit for a month and a half during a tour in Afghanistan however I didn't even make it 2 weeks back in America.. I am extremly motivated to quit for good this time but the struggle for me is that everyone I know/work with dips and smokes or both. we work early mornings and late nights especially training in the field and it seems dip is what keeps me goin sometimes. Is there anyone out there with experience fighting the uphill battle of quitting the Chaw when your constantly surrounded by it?
Marine.

Welcome.

To answer your question directly...we ALL have experienced what you're going through, as far as Quitting goes. Don't use your environment as an excuse to fail. We have Quitters here who are married to active users. We have Quitters who have Quit with their spouses. We are Marines, sailors, engineers, truck drivers, construction workers, bankers brokers, athletes and parents. We all have our unique situations that we once used, to tell ourselves, "I can't quit because XX or YY"

You need to learn that all that is addict speak, and it's bullshit. If you are serious about Quitting, and are ready to do it, it doesn't matter if your mother dips every day. If you want to Quit, you will Quit, in SPITE of your surroundings.

We can help. We've walked this path. Read all you can here, and when you're ready, post your promise, and I, along with hundreds of other guys will walk this path with you.

-Nolaq - Day 1,800
USMC
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: brianinbama on February 17, 2015, 10:06:00 AM
Finally made it through the night. Last chew was 19 hours ago.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on February 17, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: brianinbama
Finally made it through the night. Last chew was 19 hours ago.
Great work, I understand the withdrawal symptoms they can be tough.
First get over to the welcome center read up: forum/55560/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)
Second get over to May and post roll: topic/10927055/270/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/270/)
Third: drinks tons of water, exercise and eat, work the poison out of your body.
Stay quit
ID
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Vguy on February 18, 2015, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: canless2014
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: YoungBlood
I've been reading everything I can but I just don't know about forever. I don't want to be they that doesn't make it. Everyone seems so successful here.
I joined over 2 weeks and not sure about putting my name there
If you've been reading and lurking for the past two weeks, then you know what this place is all about. What are you waiting for? It's time. You know it and I know it.

Forget about forever. Forever doesn't exist. The reason why we are successful here is because we quit one day at a time. Simple as that.

If you'd justquit when you first came here, you'd be past the absolute worst of it by now. You will never regret quitting. You WILL regret not doing it sooner.

Post up your Day 1 and let's do this.
Tuco is right (as usual). Especially when he says, "you will never regret quitting."

Forever is a crazy thing to think about, you're right. I don't know about forever either. I'm 21. That's a lot of years. I like to think about myself in 30 years, at 51. If I don't quit now, what will I be doing then? Still dipping or smoking at 51? Still addicted? 30 years of my life wasted on finding the next fix and making sure I'm never without a can? That's what gives me the strength now.

Every time I "quit" for 20 minutes and put another dip right back in my lip, I regretted it. I can't stress this enough — there is not a SINGLE day I wake up and say "I regret quitting." So I don't focus on forever. I think about the next 24 hours. Will I regret dipping in the next 24 hours? Yes. Will I regret staying quit? No. Easy as that, amigo.

Post roll. Join us in starving our addiction to nicotine.
You want to think of yourself in the next 30 years? I stopped for 2 years when I was 26 and my first son was on his way. Celebrated his birth with a cigar....and the nic bitch grabbed me by the balls all over again.....and I managed to hold her off a bit with cigars until she whispered in my ear on the way to a camping trip that "I could handle just one can" for the trip.

I just turned 50 last June. Haven't stopped dipping since that camping trip at age 27. FOREVER COME A HELL OF A LOT FASTER THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE.
Lucky enough to see my four kids all out of the house and on their way to success. I won that lottery......and now I want to go double or nothing so I can see them start their own families and their kids can have a memory of a grandpa some day. Never know if that'll happen, but if you want to buy 10,000+ cans of dip and spend over 40k on shit that will eventually kill you and will definitely own you on a daily basis, then keep convincing yourself that you LOVE it. I did. You are going to be somewhere in 30 years...why not man up and decide that wherever it is, it won't be with nicotine in your system. Part of me wants to slap the shit out of my 20 year old self so that I will listen this time....but I don't get to do that...so I'm going to slap you upside your 20 something head and tell you to knock off your fucking excuses, stop whining about all the things I whined about, stop thinking about all the ways you can hide it, get away with it, control it, minimize it, etc. etc. etc. and just STOP. NOW.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gb321 on February 22, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Hi I'm not really sure how to use this website yet it sure if I posted this in the right place even, but I need help, I just signed up for this. I am on day 20 of my quit (I quit on 2/2/15) and its been really rough. Is there anyone that can help me get through it, I feel so alone doing this since all of my friends still pack every day. Since I quit I've had a sore throat, canker sores, occasional mild jaw aches, anxiety, depression, and headaches. It's awful I'm nervous and I don't know what to do or how to handle it. I hate dip so much and I'm never touching it again that's for sure. Help me out if you can! Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Jakerex on February 23, 2015, 01:01:00 AM
I know weight gain has been brought up before but I'm starting to think something is wrong. I have not changed my eating habits since I have quit and I've gained 16 pounds in 13 days. My fuckin belly is sticking out like a beer gut that I've never had. Has anyone seen, heard of, or experienced anything like this? Thyroid issues after quitting? I'm going to the Doc tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 23, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Hello, is this the right place to introduce yourself? Quit 2/11/15
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 23, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: Teray
Hello, is this the right place to introduce yourself? Quit 2/11/15
It is! Welcome aboard!

Congrats on your quit. How are you feeling so far?

Head on over to the May 2015 HOF Class and say hi. topic/10927055/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10927055/) This is your "home" group where the folks are within a few days of your quit date.

Let us know how we can help!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 24, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
Thanks Chewie,
New to this, I have never join a forum before, so I don't know how to get around this site yet.

I thought I would feel great after 14days, but that is not so. I still have the craving, eating lots of lemon drops, but just reading the forum has help me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 24, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Teray
Thanks Chewie,
New to this, I have never join a forum before, so I don't know how to get around this site yet.

I thought I would feel great after 14days, but that is not so. I still have the craving, eating lots of lemon drops, but just reading the forum has help me.
Believe it or not, 2 weeks is a REALLY difficult spot in quite a few people's quits

2 Week Weakness
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... -weakness/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/2-week-weakness/)

Hang in there!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kramer on February 24, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Teray
Thanks Chewie,
New to this, I have never join a forum before, so I don't know how to get around this site yet.

I thought I would feel great after 14days, but that is not so. I still have the craving, eating lots of lemon drops, but just reading the forum has help me.
Believe it or not, 2 weeks is a REALLY difficult spot in quite a few people's quits

2 Week Weakness
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... -weakness/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/2-week-weakness/)

Hang in there!
Teray, would love to see you get into the quit forum and post roll. Send me a PM if you are interested.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gregp on February 24, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
This looks like a fantastic resource. Look forward to taking advantage of all the encouragement.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 24, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: gregp
This looks like a fantastic resource. Look forward to taking advantage of all the encouragement.
Don't wait. Let's hit it hard. Head to June 15 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10990123/2/?x=90#new) and post roll, big guy.

Your support is not waiting for you, so don't wait for it!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 24, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Nope did not know that, do now. thanks for the link, can't hardly wait for this day to be over.

don't know how to post on roll call. don't know how to use the pm either. go figure. don't even know how you guys can include the post when you reply.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 24, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: Teray
Nope did not know that, do now. thanks for the link, can't hardly wait for this day to be over.
What day are you on Teray? You're either in May or June, so let's figure it out and get you on roll.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 24, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
I thought it was May, but not sure now.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 24, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
yes, May it is.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 24, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Teray
yes, May it is.
When was you last dip? You're 100% nicotine free, yes?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 24, 2015, 03:00:00 PM
2/11/15, today has been the hardest for me
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: sam bird on February 24, 2015, 04:08:00 PM
I dont no how this sight works .but i quit dippin 3 days ago after bout 30 years of dipping
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Landdon on February 24, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
Can ktc get involved with this site?

http://tobaccofreebaseball.org/content/ (http://tobaccofreebaseball.org/content/)

follow the take action link.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 24, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: landdon
Can ktc get involved with this site?

http://tobaccofreebaseball.org/content/ (http://tobaccofreebaseball.org/content/)

follow the take action link.
Funny... they used to have us listed on their partners page. Wonder what changed. I'll shoot them an email.

I'm guessing it's because they're targeting kids under the age of 18 and we're an 18 + older community.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Landdon on February 24, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
cool. We should be listed
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gregp on February 25, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Posted Day 2 to Roll Call. Not in the best of moods today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on February 25, 2015, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: gregp
Posted Day 2 to Roll Call. Not in the best of moods today!
Well done! Nicotine is off the table for the day. You've won.

Now it's time to build web of accountability and add to your virtual quit tool belt.

Read, post, read, post.

Proud to be quit with you today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gregp on February 25, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
Thanks. I will heed your advice!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on February 25, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
bad day today where I am, really craving one. dont know what the hell it is with these odd days here and there..
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BazookaJoe on February 25, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
Quote from: tarosean
bad day today where I am, really craving one. dont know what the hell it is with these odd days here and there..


Nicotine isn't going to make it better since a problem + nicotine = two problems. Keep quit and, trust me, it gets better.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on February 25, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
^ Its just odd to me having these days here and there.. After the second week this is probably the 3rd day or so where I really craved over the last 2 months. I WILL NOT CAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BazookaJoe on February 25, 2015, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: tarosean
^ Its just odd to me having these days here and there.. After the second week this is probably the 3rd day or so where I really craved over the last 2 months. I WILL NOT CAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not odd man. It's normal. Your brain is wired for nicotine and it wants its fix. It takes time to rewire and when you give it the time it needs, the cravings subside and become fewer and further between. For me it was a series of threes because after three days, three weeks, and three months, things got progressively easier. Once you build a network on here and begin quitting with other people and they start quitting with you, you'll feel the strength begin to build in your quit. You'll be a juggernaut of quit and others will begin to recognize that and you'll become even more of a bad ass quitter.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tarosean on February 25, 2015, 10:33:00 PM
Quote
Once you build a network on here and begin quitting with other people and they start quitting with you,
I hear ya.. I pretty much cannot stand to even look at a computer, smart phone, when I am away from the office, so its hard to get here routinely.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: stew5978 on February 26, 2015, 05:26:00 PM
just gonna leave this right here...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/dippers- ... nrxqqwJklX (http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/dippers-takin-over#.nrxqqwJklX)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Camran on February 27, 2015, 02:57:00 AM
never replied to this site before but this is day 70 and i have gotten to the point where dip just makes me sick at the stomach i am just proud to say that i have quit. Reading some of the post on this site helped me do it though and i could not have done it without your support i am so excited to be off it for good.


thank you all
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 27, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: Camran
never replied to this site before but this is day 70 and i have gotten to the point where dip just makes me sick at the stomach i am just proud to say that i have quit. Reading some of the post on this site helped me do it though and i could not have done it without your support i am so excited to be off it for good.


thank you all
Congrats Camran! 70 days is something to shout about!

While I admire your resolve, I would suggest that if you feel that reading what's on this site as supportive, you should try contributing to this site. Then you would KNOW what real support is all about!

Either way, stay strong, stay Quit. Congrats on 70 days. As long as you are nicotine free, you've always got a place here.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 27, 2015, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Camran
never replied to this site before but this is day 70 and i have gotten to the point where dip just makes me sick at the stomach i am just proud to say that i have quit. Reading some of the post on this site helped me do it though and i could not have done it without your support i am so excited to be off it for good.


thank you all
Congrats! you the man!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on February 27, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
LLAP Leonard Nimoy.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on February 27, 2015, 05:26:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
LLAP Leonard Nimoy.
So sad to hear about an icon leaving this world. RIP SPOCK
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Don on February 27, 2015, 09:05:00 PM
I am just finishing day 3 of my quit and was having a really tough time earlier. I came to this site and just started to read some HOF speeches - some from a while ago. I then read some posts of people who are on day 60 or day 80 of their quit and all of this INSPIRED me to keep the course. What I'm trying to say is please don't stop telling us your stories. We early quitters need to hear your encouragement. You guys saved me today. And I'm sure you're going to save me again tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: SamMan33 on March 01, 2015, 05:43:00 PM
Anybody in the Minneapolis area know where I can buy Smokey Mountain other than ordering through Amazon?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Raider on March 02, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: SamMan33
Anybody in the Minneapolis area know where I can buy Smokey Mountain other than ordering through Amazon?
SamMan, Have you tried Wal Mart? Unfortunately it's near the wall of cancer but it should be there.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Raider on March 02, 2015, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: Don
I am just finishing day 3 of my quit and was having a really tough time earlier. I came to this site and just started to read some HOF speeches - some from a while ago. I then read some posts of people who are on day 60 or day 80 of their quit and all of this INSPIRED me to keep the course. What I'm trying to say is please don't stop telling us your stories. We early quitters need to hear your encouragement. You guys saved me today. And I'm sure you're going to save me again tomorrow.
Keep reading and be sure to add to your introduction. What you write today will inspire another quitter tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Geddy on March 02, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Howdy folks 'winker'

Name's Geddy. I officially quit on January 10th of this year after 10 years of dipping -- haven't felt this good in a long time! Just came here to introduce myself. I'm not here looking for support on quitting or staying clean, but to provide any support where it could be used. My first and only attempt at quitting went extremely well so I figured that if there was a place to put this information, it's on these forums. 'archer'

If anyone is looking for advice (not that there isn't already a wealth of it here!), some support, or motivation, hit me up.

Take care!
-Geddy 'zombie'

PS: went a little overboard with the emoticons but this forum has some awesome ones shocker
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on March 03, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Geddy
Howdy folks 'winker'

Name's Geddy. I officially quit on January 10th of this year after 10 years of dipping -- haven't felt this good in a long time! Just came here to introduce myself. I'm not here looking for support on quitting or staying clean, but to provide any support where it could be used. My first and only attempt at quitting went extremely well so I figured that if there was a place to put this information, it's on these forums. 'archer'

If anyone is looking for advice (not that there isn't already a wealth of it here!), some support, or motivation, hit me up.

Take care!
-Geddy 'zombie'

PS: went a little overboard with the emoticons but this forum has some awesome ones shocker
'facepalm''
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: nick3 on March 03, 2015, 01:43:00 PM
Well, here we go. I have read the site in full, and I am fully prepared. I could not find my quit group, I found the May one, however I am quitting after 2/21/15. So, if I am in violation if your rules, please let me know and I can take it down.
I am a newbie. 20 years old been dipping roughly 2 1/2 years, copenhagen pouches. Got up to a can a day a few weeks ago, knew I could not do it anymore. I, and many of my family members have an extremely addictive personality. I knew this was the best decision.
I will be on here regularly for the next few days, if I need to move or take down my post, please let me know, I gladly will. I apologize if I made any mistakes on where to post.
Thanks,
Nick
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ColoradoProud on March 03, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: nick3
Well, here we go. I have read the site in full, and I am fully prepared. I could not find my quit group, I found the May one, however I am quitting after 2/21/15. So, if I am in violation if your rules, please let me know and I can take it down.
I am a newbie. 20 years old been dipping roughly 2 1/2 years, copenhagen pouches. Got up to a can a day a few weeks ago, knew I could not do it anymore. I, and many of my family members have an extremely addictive personality. I knew this was the best decision.
I will be on here regularly for the next few days, if I need to move or take down my post, please let me know, I gladly will. I apologize if I made any mistakes on where to post.
Thanks,
Nick
Glad to have you with us! I don't know anything about your post, but welcome aboard! Get ready for the good life, buddy!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 04, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
This short (5 minute) video explains addiction better than I ever could. It remind me once again why I fight every day for my freedom. ‪

Proud to be quit with you all today.

http://beat.drugabuse.com/addiction-in- ... animation/ (http://beat.drugabuse.com/addiction-in-its-simplest-form-short-animation/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: sully75 on March 04, 2015, 10:19:00 AM
Hello everyone my name is Ryan. I have just started my journey again. I have had a really hard time in the past quitting. I would stop for 3 or 4 months then when I would get stressed out I would go and by another can. I know I have to stop just having a very hard time doing it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on March 06, 2015, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: sully75
Hello everyone my name is Ryan. I have just started my journey again. I have had a really hard time in the past quitting. I would stop for 3 or 4 months then when I would get stressed out I would go and by another can. I know I have to stop just having a very hard time doing it.
Welcome Ryan. We are all here to help you quit.
Have you posted roll in your quit group yet? (June 2/22/15 to 3/23/15)
Post there and say Hi, they will help you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Teray on March 06, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: nick3
Well, here we go. I have read the site in full, and I am fully prepared. I could not find my quit group, I found the May one, however I am quitting after 2/21/15. So, if I am in violation if your rules, please let me know and I can take it down.
I am a newbie. 20 years old been dipping roughly 2 1/2 years, copenhagen pouches. Got up to a can a day a few weeks ago, knew I could not do it anymore. I, and many of my family members have an extremely addictive personality. I knew this was the best decision.
I will be on here regularly for the next few days, if I need to move or take down my post, please let me know, I gladly will. I apologize if I made any mistakes on where to post.
Thanks,
Nick
Hi Nick3 welcome aboard!
Your quit group would be June if your quit date is 3/2/15.
Lots of people here to help. May group would help steer you to the right group and the how to stuff.

go here to learn how to post
http://youtu.be/RmDgTPJ6HyM (http://youtu.be/RmDgTPJ6HyM)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lewis14 on March 07, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
Today is day 68, yesterday was a hard day had cravings really bad.I have been reading on this sight since day one an it helps .dipped for over 30 year hope to make it this time. :)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Drewdrew on March 07, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Lewis14
Today is day 68, yesterday was a hard day had cravings really bad.I have been reading on this sight since day one an it helps .dipped for over 30 year hope to make it this time. :)
First of all nice number man. Second of all, ain't no hope. Ain't no luck either. Is ior isn't. You know that. How many 1000 times could you have caved since early jan? You earned each and every hour since the very first crave. Hope? Hell, you are through the tough stuff. I bet you'd be in my group, sign on with us man..
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 08, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: Drewdrew
Quote from: Lewis14
Today is day 68, yesterday was a hard day had cravings really bad.I have been reading on this sight since day one an it helps .dipped for over 30 year hope to make it this time. :)
First of all nice number man. Second of all, ain't no hope. Ain't no luck either. Is ior isn't. You know that. How many 1000 times could you have caved since early jan? You earned each and every hour since the very first crave. Hope? Hell, you are through the tough stuff. I bet you'd be in my group, sign on with us man..
Drew2 is right... "hoping" to quit won't get you quit.

Actually QUITTING is what you're doing, and can continue to do.

Keep up the great work man!

Change Your Vocabulary
http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/12/chan ... ocabulary/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/12/change-your-vocabulary/)

More Vocabulary Lessons
http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/03/more ... y-lessons/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/03/more-vocabulary-lessons/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: corwinkb on March 08, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
I hate the nic bitch. I saw at the store getting some cranberry juice and chewing gum when I noticed the only aisle open is next to the tobacco kiosk. It stared me in the face for at least 10 minutes.

I walked out nic free with juice in gum in my bag. I felt like a dragon born yelling foos ro dah at a chicken
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lewis14 on March 08, 2015, 11:39:00 PM
Not to good with this stuff finding which group to be in and so on,I will just keep reading everyone's stories has helped me get this far, don't think I would fit in.Iam a over 30 year dipper that has pretty much kept it hidden from coworkers an friends all these years with a dip in 24/7, Iam a 48 year old woman. Who just got tired of skoal being in control. Going make it this time :D
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 09, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: Lewis14
Not to good with this stuff finding which group to be in and so on,I will just keep reading everyone's stories has helped me get this far, don't think I would fit in.Iam a over 30 year dipper that has pretty much kept it hidden from coworkers an friends all these years with a dip in 24/7, Iam a 48 year old woman. Who just got tired of skoal being in control. Going make it this time :D
Hi Lewis - welcome!!!

The quit groups are based on your quit date.

If I'm doing the math correctly based on your intro, you're on day 70 today. That would put you as part of the April 2015 HOF class.

topic/10847546/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10847546/)
Quit Dates: 12/23/2014-1/21/2015

Let me know if that's not right and we can point you in the right direction!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on March 10, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: corwinkb
I hate the nic bitch. I saw at the store getting some cranberry juice and chewing gum when I noticed the only aisle open is next to the tobacco kiosk. It stared me in the face for at least 10 minutes.

I walked out nic free with juice in gum in my bag. I felt like a dragon born yelling foos ro dah at a chicken
Nice!!
Your quit gets stronger every time you resist.

'clap'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on March 11, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
We hit 23,000 members today!

'oh yeah'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gb321 on March 11, 2015, 04:50:00 PM
Think I'm experiencing a major fog. Could it be the fog part 2?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 12, 2015, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: gb321
Think I'm experiencing a major fog. Could it be the fog part 2?
Definitely. What day are you on?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gmguyfixinfords on March 12, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
today was first day tobacco free after many years of copenhagen.the triumph brand fake dip with the nicotine helps but the hooch brand has better taste. bought the sampler pack of triumph full strength half and zero strength after that should b done with nicotine
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 12, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: gmguyfixinfords
today was first day tobacco free after many years of copenhagen.the triumph brand fake dip with the nicotine helps but the hooch brand has better taste. bought the sampler pack of triumph full strength half and zero strength after that should b done with nicotine
Congrats on a great decision. Welcome.

Please know that this is a nicotine free site. Feel free to post in the introduction and here in the general discussion, but know that those are the only 2 areas of the forums where any nicotine is tolerated.

I'd stronlgy urge you to dump the nic-containing version of Triumph, post a day 1 with your quit group and truly start your quit. Until your'e 100% nicotine free you A) can't be a part of a quit group and B) won't really start your recovery.

We won't ever tell you it's easy... it's not. But it's 100% worth the freedom you'll gain.

Can't wait to see a nic-free roll call post from you!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on March 14, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
Loving this site, especially since I now get it. I am understanding how to use it, when to use it. This is awesome and the reason that this quit will be THE quit. Day 7 now (part of the Goons), and feeling good. This will be the first full weekend, which will be the test. But, I have a plan for the day and part of it revolves around keeping moving and doing.

Last night was awesome: there was a bad moment with my wife last night (her fault for once), and we straightened that out. Then she said "are you doing that shit again? I saw a bottle with the crap in it in your car." I felt triumphant when I was able to go out to the car and grab the can of shredded beef jerky I have been using as the oral substitute. It wasn't an "in your face" moment, but it was a great thing to say I quit and actually mean it and feel it is true.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ChewsWisely on March 15, 2015, 02:26:00 AM
Just wanted to say hey to all you out there. This is my first post on a blog on my 42nd day completely tobacco free. I have been struggling between cigarettes and dip for about thirteen years and this is the longest I have ever lasted without either and I feel amazing. Not only the physical positive effects like my inner cheek doesn't feel like shoe leather and I can run 5 miles again with no problem. My mentality has changed as well. I am developing a "can-do" attitude now. I no longer feel like a slave to the fix. A can every two days was starting to get hard on the wallet, not to mention hard to hide it from everyone.
Funny thing was I wanted to quit for so long but never really decided to. I got very sick day after the superbowl and was bedridden for about a week. I couldn't hold down a bowl of chicken soup no less worry about dipping. So when I finally felt better I decided, hey, why not give this shit up? It was difficult picking up on my old routines without a can of cherry. Trying to take my morning shit, doing chores around the house, the drive to and from work. Forget about poker night or going out drinking! But I stuck to it. I used some old nicotine gum at first and ordered some of Jake's Mint Chew. I use them when I feel the need to, and that is becoming less and less as the days go by.
Tonight was the toughest night recently. I was surrounded by smokers and dippers at a poker game and I had about twelve beers (my favorite time to chain-lip). I had my Jake's and stuck with that and just decided to consider myself a non-user of tobacco. That's that. I succeeded and I'm really proud of myself. Drunk as I am, I still kept sight of my goal to be tobacco free.
I still feel weak though. I still feel like I'm quitting and not completely over it yet. I still have to fight the urges. But I have a frame of reference now. I know that I CAN take a long drive without it and I CAN take a shit without it and I CAN drink beers without it. It's a good feeling and I'm glad to be a part of this supportive and positive community. For my health and my wealth, for my wife and my son.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on March 16, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
Day 9. I thought I had escaped the hard core fog... sure, I had some irritability and slight headaches, but nothing terrible. Cravings, but that was to be expected. I heard others talking about sleep issues, gas, and water retention, but I thought maybe I had escaped that stuff.

Until today.

Slept like shit last night, farting like a madman, and my belts aren't cinched quite as tight as normal. And my head is splitting. So now I get it and see: go through the suck so that you only do it once... reason enough not to relapse. This too shall pass...

Work all day, home and to the gym. Water is my best friend.

Working it...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JMusto on March 16, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
Day 5: I have Oral Thrush. Did any one else develop this as a side effect? Also is there anyway to fix the focus issue? I've been sitting at my desk at work and zoning out for what feels like hours.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gonzomedic on March 17, 2015, 02:22:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Geddy
Howdy folks 'winker'

Name's Geddy. I officially quit on January 10th of this year after 10 years of dipping -- haven't felt this good in a long time! Just came here to introduce myself. I'm not here looking for support on quitting or staying clean, but to provide any support where it could be used. My first and only attempt at quitting went extremely well so I figured that if there was a place to put this information, it's on these forums. 'archer'

If anyone is looking for advice (not that there isn't already a wealth of it here!), some support, or motivation, hit me up.

Take care!
-Geddy 'zombie'

PS: went a little overboard with the emoticons but this forum has some awesome ones shocker
'facepalm''
roflmao
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: balespur on March 17, 2015, 10:57:00 PM
Hello everyone... first post, on day 3 right now. 10 years of Kodiak for me, with a few 'quit' spells worked in. Completely miserable at the moment. Physical symptoms and anxiety. So here's my question: did any of you, soon after quitting, notice bumps in the cheek/lip where you didn't notice them before? I've read articles associated with this website that mention increased prevalence of "sores" in the days/weeks after quitting. But that's not what this is... its a painless bump, not too big, and slightly movable. I also notice other areas of painless "bumpiness" on the inside of my lips, even in areas where I never dipped (upper left).

So, naturally, I think I have cancer. But I also realize that I'm paranoid and anxious due to nicotine withdrawal. I have an appt. with the ENT in April, but in the meantime, I'd feel a hell of a lot better if others who have shared this experience could reassure me that this is nothing to worry about, at least for the moment.

On a certain level I believe I deserve this anxiety, even if there's nothing to worry about. Isn't it funny how the guilt, the awareness of what we were doing to ourselves, doesn't truly hit until after quitting, which of course makes it even harder to stick with the quit? Ugh. Never again.

Anyway, thanks everyone. So glad I found this place.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: balespur on March 17, 2015, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: JMusto
Day 5: I have Oral Thrush. Did any one else develop this as a side effect? Also is there anyway to fix the focus issue? I've been sitting at my desk at work and zoning out for what feels like hours.
Well shit maybe that's what I have. Generally painless bumps in inner cheek area? Sorta/kinda white looking tongue?

Just to get through the night, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's what this is. Thanks man. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s)[/url]
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on March 18, 2015, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: balespur
Quote from: JMusto
Day 5: I have Oral Thrush. Did any one else develop this as a side effect? Also is there anyway to fix the focus issue? I've been sitting at my desk at work and zoning out for what feels like hours.
Well shit maybe that's what I have. Generally painless bumps in inner cheek area? Sorta/kinda white looking tongue?

Just to get through the night, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's what this is. Thanks man. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s)

I noticed it in my mouth as well... thought the same thing. Apparently it's "normal" for someone who shoved nasty processed materials in our mouths for upwards of 20 years before finally waking up.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kyle20100 on March 19, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: balespur
Quote from: JMusto
Day 5: I have Oral Thrush. Did any one else develop this as a side effect? Also is there anyway to fix the focus issue? I've been sitting at my desk at work and zoning out for what feels like hours.
Well shit maybe that's what I have. Generally painless bumps in inner cheek area? Sorta/kinda white looking tongue?

Just to get through the night, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's what this is. Thanks man. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s)

I noticed it in my mouth as well... thought the same thing. Apparently it's "normal" for someone who shoved nasty processed materials in our mouths for upwards of 20 years before finally waking up.
I have gotten oral thrush before but it was only after I quit dip for a period of time and went back. Which would be white bumps in your mouth and sometimes throat. I developed red dots in my mouth after 5 or 6 days of quitting. They lasted for about a week on day 23 and I no longer have them.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kyle20100 on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
At what point in your quit should you stop using fake chew to satisfy your cravings? Anytime I have a craving I throw in a fake dip also I find myself using it more in more just like I would with real dip. Is there a point in your quit you should give it up or is this something you need to decide when you feel you can continue your quit without it?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: kyle20100
At what point in your quit should you stop using fake chew to satisfy your cravings? Anytime I have a craving I throw in a fake dip also I find myself using it more in more just like I would with real dip. Is there a point in your quit you should give it up or is this something you need to decide when you feel you can continue your quit without it?
This is a personal preference. Some feel that using the fake stuff is

A) too close to the real thing and B) is keeping your habit alive.

For me personally, I say use it... use it liberally... and use it for as long as it takes. Even if that's forever. I've often said, and still believe to this day, that I'd rather chew a can/day of the fake stuff than ever have another dip of Kodiak.

That said, for me, I chewed about a can / day for a good 220+ days or so and then one day just... didn't reach for it any more.

It's a tool. Like any other tool in your quit arsenal. Use it.

My two cents.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JMusto on March 19, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: balespur
Quote from: JMusto
Day 5: I have Oral Thrush. Did any one else develop this as a side effect? Also is there anyway to fix the focus issue? I've been sitting at my desk at work and zoning out for what feels like hours.
Well shit maybe that's what I have. Generally painless bumps in inner cheek area? Sorta/kinda white looking tongue?

Just to get through the night, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's what this is. Thanks man. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/s)

No problem. Yeah the mouth sores and white tongue have been the worst part of this whole thing. Its been two weeks and I'm still waiting for it to pass.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: MikePA on March 20, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: OldDominion on March 22, 2015, 01:32:00 AM
I have been spitting for almost 10 years to the day. I have finally decided enough is enough. I have tried to stop before but old habits die hard. The triggers to pack one up are everywhere. I am here to seek support. Words of encouragement are appreciated. Thank you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 23, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 23, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: OldDominion
I have been spitting for almost 10 years to the day. I have finally decided enough is enough. I have tried to stop before but old habits die hard. The triggers to pack one up are everywhere. I am here to seek support. Words of encouragement are appreciated. Thank you.
Welcome and congrats on a TREMENDOUS decision to join us and to quit!!!

Head over to June 2015 which is your "home group", introduce yourself and post roll - topic/10990123/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10990123/)

Let us know how we can help!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on March 23, 2015, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on March 24, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either. I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on March 24, 2015, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either.  I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
I put this blog post together years ago - http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the- ... and-zyban/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the-latest-on-quit-nic-drugs-chantix-and-zyban/)

Would love for you guys to add your comments / experiences there too if possible.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BazookaJoe on March 25, 2015, 04:44:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either. I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
I put this blog post together years ago - http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the- ... and-zyban/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the-latest-on-quit-nic-drugs-chantix-and-zyban/)

Would love for you guys to add your comments / experiences there too if possible.
Two weeks PRIOR to my 8/4/14 quit date I actually weaned by taking Smokey Mountain and mixing it with Grizzly in proportions starting at 50/50 then gradually reducing the percentage of the real deal until it was down to 100% herbal snuff. I know many folks on here frown on weaning but all the other times I stopped I did strict cold turkey and failed...this time I was successful and here I am at day 234 QLFEDD. As far as the drugs go, I say no. Just wean like I did or quit cold turkey, sign up to a quit group, post roll every day, and get engaged with entire KTC website (ie, don't restrict yourself to your quit group).
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tuco on March 27, 2015, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: BazookaJoe
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either. I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
I put this blog post together years ago - http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the- ... and-zyban/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the-latest-on-quit-nic-drugs-chantix-and-zyban/)

Would love for you guys to add your comments / experiences there too if possible.
Two weeks PRIOR to my 8/4/14 quit date I actually weaned by taking Smokey Mountain and mixing it with Grizzly in proportions starting at 50/50 then gradually reducing the percentage of the real deal until it was down to 100% herbal snuff. I know many folks on here frown on weaning but all the other times I stopped I did strict cold turkey and failed...this time I was successful and here I am at day 234 QLFEDD. As far as the drugs go, I say no. Just wean like I did or quit cold turkey, sign up to a quit group, post roll every day, and get engaged with entire KTC website (ie, don't restrict yourself to your quit group).
I've never tried Chantix or Wellbutrin, but I've been generally aware of them for the past 14 years or so. As Q said, at some point you're going to have to let go regardless of what your quit plan ultimately is.

I've never understood the mindset of people that are "afraid" to quit. Even when I was using, I was never afraid to quit. Maybe that's because I had so much practice at stopping. I knew it was going to suck for a good long while, but fear was never part of the equation. I think the pharma companies drum up this sense of fear in order to drum up sales.

I also don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Bazooka's weaning plan, either. It takes the same level of self-discipline as quitting cold turkey does. The only part I would tend to question is the overall efficacy. I'm not sure if any studies have been done with dip, but I do know that smokers that switch to lighter cigarettes and try to quit via the taper method don't stand any better chance at being nic-free 6 months out. If anything, you're merely prolonging the withdrawals since you are forcing yourself to go for progressively longer intervals between fixes.

Ultimately, as long as you aren't using nicotine to fix your nicotine addiction, I say go with whatever plan inspires the most confidence to quit and stay quit. I'm up in this place all day every day, so that colors my view of what a successful plan looks like.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mjollnir on March 28, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: BazookaJoe
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either. I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
I put this blog post together years ago - http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the- ... and-zyban/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the-latest-on-quit-nic-drugs-chantix-and-zyban/)

Would love for you guys to add your comments / experiences there too if possible.
Two weeks PRIOR to my 8/4/14 quit date I actually weaned by taking Smokey Mountain and mixing it with Grizzly in proportions starting at 50/50 then gradually reducing the percentage of the real deal until it was down to 100% herbal snuff. I know many folks on here frown on weaning but all the other times I stopped I did strict cold turkey and failed...this time I was successful and here I am at day 234 QLFEDD. As far as the drugs go, I say no. Just wean like I did or quit cold turkey, sign up to a quit group, post roll every day, and get engaged with entire KTC website (ie, don't restrict yourself to your quit group).
I've never tried Chantix or Wellbutrin, but I've been generally aware of them for the past 14 years or so. As Q said, at some point you're going to have to let go regardless of what your quit plan ultimately is.

I've never understood the mindset of people that are "afraid" to quit. Even when I was using, I was never afraid to quit. Maybe that's because I had so much practice at stopping. I knew it was going to suck for a good long while, but fear was never part of the equation. I think the pharma companies drum up this sense of fear in order to drum up sales.

I also don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Bazooka's weaning plan, either. It takes the same level of self-discipline as quitting cold turkey does. The only part I would tend to question is the overall efficacy. I'm not sure if any studies have been done with dip, but I do know that smokers that switch to lighter cigarettes and try to quit via the taper method don't stand any better chance at being nic-free 6 months out. If anything, you're merely prolonging the withdrawals since you are forcing yourself to go for progressively longer intervals between fixes.

Ultimately, as long as you aren't using nicotine to fix your nicotine addiction, I say go with whatever plan inspires the most confidence to quit and stay quit. I'm up in this place all day every day, so that colors my view of what a successful plan looks like.
One of the guys in my shop tried Chantix, he almost wound up in the funnyfarm. Just a quick rhetorical question on the subject.

Why would you use a chemical to get rid of a chemical when you body has 3 excellent filters to do the job for you?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RAZD611 on March 28, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Mjollnir
Quote from: Tuco's
Quote from: BazookaJoe
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: MikePA
I haven't seen this mentioned around here. Maybe I haven't been here long enough. Anyway, I have a lot of background in medicine, both work experience and education. I've seen chantix and bupropion used for cessation.

What is the general consensus of this forum when these two drugs are used for cessation? In particular chantix. I am quite familiar with varenicline (chantix), though I have never taken it. I'm going to withhold some of my knowledge because I feel I may sway the conversation one way or another.
I can't speak from experience as I didn't use either during my quit.

I know there are several here who used Chantix with some success.

Candily, I've always sort of looked down on them based on the limited research I've done and some of the horror stories I've read. That said, I spose a good candid chat with a doctor would be in order prior to using either.

Chewie
One of the many ways I tried that didn't work. I didn't like the way I felt a few days in, so stopped the pills. Truth be told, as I have done more research, it seems the Grizzly may have been safer than the Chantix.
I was on it for the first 30 days. I hated it. I had horrible, HORRIBLE nighmares. My wife found me sleepwalking all the time.

I can't attest as to how it helped with the withdrawl symptoms, either. I think it may have actually prolonged my Fog, but I don't know.

Here's what I do know. Eventually, everyone has to let go and just Quit. I used fake dip for the first couple hundred days, but eventually, you gotta fly solo. I encourage you to get to that point best you can. Don't worry about making it happen sooner. Just make it happen the best you can.

Hope that helps.
I put this blog post together years ago - http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the- ... and-zyban/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/07/the-latest-on-quit-nic-drugs-chantix-and-zyban/)

Would love for you guys to add your comments / experiences there too if possible.
Two weeks PRIOR to my 8/4/14 quit date I actually weaned by taking Smokey Mountain and mixing it with Grizzly in proportions starting at 50/50 then gradually reducing the percentage of the real deal until it was down to 100% herbal snuff. I know many folks on here frown on weaning but all the other times I stopped I did strict cold turkey and failed...this time I was successful and here I am at day 234 QLFEDD. As far as the drugs go, I say no. Just wean like I did or quit cold turkey, sign up to a quit group, post roll every day, and get engaged with entire KTC website (ie, don't restrict yourself to your quit group).
I've never tried Chantix or Wellbutrin, but I've been generally aware of them for the past 14 years or so. As Q said, at some point you're going to have to let go regardless of what your quit plan ultimately is.

I've never understood the mindset of people that are "afraid" to quit. Even when I was using, I was never afraid to quit. Maybe that's because I had so much practice at stopping. I knew it was going to suck for a good long while, but fear was never part of the equation. I think the pharma companies drum up this sense of fear in order to drum up sales.

I also don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Bazooka's weaning plan, either. It takes the same level of self-discipline as quitting cold turkey does. The only part I would tend to question is the overall efficacy. I'm not sure if any studies have been done with dip, but I do know that smokers that switch to lighter cigarettes and try to quit via the taper method don't stand any better chance at being nic-free 6 months out. If anything, you're merely prolonging the withdrawals since you are forcing yourself to go for progressively longer intervals between fixes.

Ultimately, as long as you aren't using nicotine to fix your nicotine addiction, I say go with whatever plan inspires the most confidence to quit and stay quit. I'm up in this place all day every day, so that colors my view of what a successful plan looks like.
One of the guys in my shop tried Chantix, he almost wound up in the funnyfarm. Just a quick rhetorical question on the subject.

Why would you use a chemical to get rid of a chemical when you body has 3 excellent filters to do the job for you?
A sad ending that was very possibly brought on by using Chantix.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/20101226 ... oversy.ece (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/20101226-a-dallas-face-in-controversy.ece)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ChickDip on March 30, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on March 30, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: ChickDip
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Chick dip welcome to KTC.

There are some kickass female quitters here. I am pulling there names up as we post.

You have any questions?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ChickDip on March 30, 2015, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Chick dip welcome to KTC.

There are some kickass female quitters here. I am pulling there names up as we post.

You have any questions?
I am finding my way around. Haven't done the roll call, but I'll figure out how and where to do that soon. :-)

I am sure I'll have more questions and need help. Thx.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on March 30, 2015, 12:17:00 PM
'usflag' 'usflag'RayRayBoomBoom (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/4025471/)'usflag' 'usflag'
Is leaving on deployment today with the US Air Force, for the Middle East. He does not know where he is going, nor does his family. What he was able to tell us that it is a 90 day assignment.

He will be deployed during the boarding of the HOF Express and will miss the state side celebration. So let's take a moment and show him the support from this brothers at KTC, that we will all be here for him, and we are always a message away.

Godspeed my friend.
Candoit - 251- With you quittha
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on March 30, 2015, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Chick dip welcome to KTC.

There are some kickass female quitters here. I am pulling there names up as we post.

You have any questions?
I am finding my way around. Haven't done the roll call, but I'll figure out how and where to do that soon. :-)

I am sure I'll have more questions and need help. Thx.
No problem I pmd you a short list of some of the quitter chicks here
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on March 30, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Chick dip welcome to KTC.

There are some kickass female quitters here. I am pulling there names up as we post.

You have any questions?
I am finding my way around. Haven't done the roll call, but I'll figure out how and where to do that soon. :-)

I am sure I'll have more questions and need help. Thx.
No problem I pmd you a short list of some of the quitter chicks here
ChickDip - You post your day 1 if you threw it out today. If last dip was yesterday, today is day 2. You will be part of the July 15 group which is the month you hit 100 days. It's easier than it sounds. only worry about today. Make your vow to quit today first thing when you get up. Then keep your promise. Tomorrow is not a worry until the the sun sets and rises again.

July 2015: topic/11069030/3/?x=90#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11069030/3/?x=90#new)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ChickDip on March 30, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Done4Me
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: ChickDip
I just dumped my tin. I've tried to quit many times lately. I've only been doing it daily for about a year, been dipping for about 4 years.... but it's got a hold on me. I am a woman, started dipping while fishing with my husband.. also playing poker. I just ordered some Jake's to help, should be here tomorrow. But I know I need support and a place to come when I have my triggers. Glad I found this site. :-)
Chick dip welcome to KTC.

There are some kickass female quitters here. I am pulling there names up as we post.

You have any questions?
I am finding my way around. Haven't done the roll call, but I'll figure out how and where to do that soon. :-)

I am sure I'll have more questions and need help. Thx.
No problem I pmd you a short list of some of the quitter chicks here
ChickDip - You post your day 1 if you threw it out today. If last dip was yesterday, today is day 2. You will be part of the July 15 group which is the month you hit 100 days. It's easier than it sounds. only worry about today. Make your vow to quit today first thing when you get up. Then keep your promise. Tomorrow is not a worry until the the sun sets and rises again.

July 2015: topic/11069030/3/?x=90#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11069030/3/?x=90#new)
Gotcha, thanks!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BigKahuna on March 30, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
poof
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BigKahuna on March 30, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: candoit
'usflag' 'usflag'RayRayBoomBoom (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/4025471/)'usflag' 'usflag'
Is leaving on deployment today with the US Air Force, for the Middle East. He does not know where he is going, nor does his family. What he was able to tell us that it is a 90 day assignment.

He will be deployed during the boarding of the HOF Express and will miss the state side celebration. So let's take a moment and show him the support from this brothers at KTC, that we will all be here for him, and we are always a message away.

Godspeed my friend.
Candoit - 251- With you quittha
Good Luck RayRay! Thank you so much!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Sowilliams on March 31, 2015, 10:25:00 AM
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ChickDip on March 31, 2015, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: sowilliams
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
I totally feel ya SO... I am so glad I flushed mine, cuz I wouldn't have made it . Previously I had the mind set that "I'll keep it around , it will make it easier" .. UM  SO WRONG. FLUSHING IT WAS MY ANSWER.
IT's a long road, and it's tough right now (my Day 2) But with all the support on this KTC I know I can do it and so can you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on March 31, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: sowilliams
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
I totally feel ya SO... I am so glad I flushed mine, cuz I wouldn't have made it . Previously I had the mind set that "I'll keep it around , it will make it easier" .. UM  SO WRONG. FLUSHING IT WAS MY ANSWER.
IT's a long road, and it's tough right now (my Day 2) But with all the support on this KTC I know I can do it and so can you.
It's not easy. The first week for me was the worst: had nothing to do with the headaches or anything. It was about the nicotine mind games that I had given into before: "I made it 5 days! Let me just have one to celebrate!" Yeah, that worked really well... for 20 years.

Post roll, read, LOTS OF WATER, work out and get support from whomever you can: KTC members, family, friends, etc. It's not easy, but after only 24 days, I am feeling incredible. So nice to not have the spit cup in the car anymore!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on April 01, 2015, 08:23:00 AM
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: sowilliams
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
I totally feel ya SO... I am so glad I flushed mine, cuz I wouldn't have made it . Previously I had the mind set that "I'll keep it around , it will make it easier" .. UM  SO WRONG. FLUSHING IT WAS MY ANSWER.
IT's a long road, and it's tough right now (my Day 2) But with all the support on this KTC I know I can do it and so can you.
It's not easy. The first week for me was the worst: had nothing to do with the headaches or anything. It was about the nicotine mind games that I had given into before: "I made it 5 days! Let me just have one to celebrate!" Yeah, that worked really well... for 20 years.

Post roll, read, LOTS OF WATER, work out and get support from whomever you can: KTC members, family, friends, etc. It's not easy, but after only 24 days, I am feeling incredible. So nice to not have the spit cup in the car anymore!
Awesome job, Lax. The spit cups, the dip particles all over my dashboard, the spitters stuffed under the seat in 90° heat....I don't miss any of it.

Keep up the fight! You are winning!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: devil6dog on April 01, 2015, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Staying busy is helping me, work out a lot as suggested, try not to spend too much time alone, your mind can be an evil enemy. If you are alone a lot, come on here and talk to people. Just focus about today, nothing else.

You Can Do this!!!!
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: sowilliams
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
I totally feel ya SO... I am so glad I flushed mine, cuz I wouldn't have made it . Previously I had the mind set that "I'll keep it around , it will make it easier" .. UM  SO WRONG. FLUSHING IT WAS MY ANSWER.
IT's a long road, and it's tough right now (my Day 2) But with all the support on this KTC I know I can do it and so can you.
It's not easy. The first week for me was the worst: had nothing to do with the headaches or anything. It was about the nicotine mind games that I had given into before: "I made it 5 days! Let me just have one to celebrate!" Yeah, that worked really well... for 20 years.

Post roll, read, LOTS OF WATER, work out and get support from whomever you can: KTC members, family, friends, etc. It's not easy, but after only 24 days, I am feeling incredible. So nice to not have the spit cup in the car anymore!
Awesome job, Lax. The spit cups, the dip particles all over my dashboard, the spitters stuffed under the seat in 90° heat....I don't miss any of it.

Keep up the fight! You are winning!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on April 01, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: devil6dog
Quote from: Nolaq
Staying busy is helping me, work out a lot as suggested, try not to spend too much time alone, your mind can be an evil enemy. If you are alone a lot, come on here and talk to people. Just focus about today, nothing else.

You Can Do this!!!!
Quote from: Laxref
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: sowilliams
What do you do to get through the day? I can't hardly get any work done. All I can think about is going to get in my truck to ride around and have a dip! Luckily I don't have any and am not going to get any. I am determined to kick this habit but I just don't know what to do with myself. Had no idea I was so addicted.
I totally feel ya SO... I am so glad I flushed mine, cuz I wouldn't have made it . Previously I had the mind set that "I'll keep it around , it will make it easier" .. UM  SO WRONG. FLUSHING IT WAS MY ANSWER.
IT's a long road, and it's tough right now (my Day 2) But with all the support on this KTC I know I can do it and so can you.
It's not easy. The first week for me was the worst: had nothing to do with the headaches or anything. It was about the nicotine mind games that I had given into before: "I made it 5 days! Let me just have one to celebrate!" Yeah, that worked really well... for 20 years.

Post roll, read, LOTS OF WATER, work out and get support from whomever you can: KTC members, family, friends, etc. It's not easy, but after only 24 days, I am feeling incredible. So nice to not have the spit cup in the car anymore!
Awesome job, Lax. The spit cups, the dip particles all over my dashboard, the spitters stuffed under the seat in 90° heat....I don't miss any of it.

Keep up the fight! You are winning!
Devil, you are one foggy fugger!

roflmao roflmao roflmao
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: AtraLeo on April 12, 2015, 12:52:00 AM
Hello KTC. My quit day officially started on 04/01/15 (April Fool's Day). Everyone thought I was joking when I said I made the decision the day before to throw an almost brand-new tin in the trash while washing my truck, but I had enough of it. I had just gotten back from a trip to New Mexico with my girlfriend, we drove the entire way there and back, the longest road trip I had taken in my adult life and I had gone through 4 cans on the drive and 2 cans while I was there. My mouth hurt, I was pissed off, and I was thinking of my family and my potential family having to look at me as I stuffed another dip in my mouth during family events, or just chilling on the couch watching a movie.

I started dipping when I was 16, 'bang head' almost as an excuse to give my fellow classmates so I didn't have to participate in other drugs/consumption of alcohol. I know, weak excuse, but to this day I am proud to say I have never touched any illegal substance. Anyways, I have dipped most of my adult life (almost 25 now) and didn't want to be a quarter century old and a decade dipper. So I quit.

I found this site a long time ago, and just joined today because my cravings were so bad my girlfriend had to help me to the car because I felt like I was gonna fall over. Miserable.

Right now I am a fan of Smokey Mountain Mint Long Cut, but I was a Copenhagen dipper before and can't find anything to replace Copenhagen pouches. I am mainly looking for similar dimensions and similar "wetness" I guess you could say. If you have any recommendations please let me know.

Hopefully I will make it to my 100 Day HOF and beyond.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Wt57 on April 12, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: AtraLeo
Hello KTC. My quit day officially started on 04/01/15 (April Fool's Day). Everyone thought I was joking when I said I made the decision the day before to throw an almost brand-new tin in the trash while washing my truck, but I had enough of it. I had just gotten back from a trip to New Mexico with my girlfriend, we drove the entire way there and back, the longest road trip I had taken in my adult life and I had gone through 4 cans on the drive and 2 cans while I was there. My mouth hurt, I was pissed off, and I was thinking of my family and my potential family having to look at me as I stuffed another dip in my mouth during family events, or just chilling on the couch watching a movie.

I started dipping when I was 16, 'bang head' almost as an excuse to give my fellow classmates so I didn't have to participate in other drugs/consumption of alcohol. I know, weak excuse, but to this day I am proud to say I have never touched any illegal substance. Anyways, I have dipped most of my adult life (almost 25 now) and didn't want to be a quarter century old and a decade dipper. So I quit.

I found this site a long time ago, and just joined today because my cravings were so bad my girlfriend had to help me to the car because I felt like I was gonna fall over. Miserable.

Right now I am a fan of Smokey Mountain Mint Long Cut, but I was a Copenhagen dipper before and can't find anything to replace Copenhagen pouches. I am mainly looking for similar dimensions and similar "wetness" I guess you could say. If you have any recommendations please let me know.

Hopefully I will make it to my 100 Day HOF and beyond.
Leo, a drug is a drug, legal or illegal! All can be abused and we can be addicted and have been. Leo I turned 55 and realized I'd been a addict for over 40 years. Well like you I quit on April fools day 2012. Stay quit! Posting roll and being active on this site will help. As time of being quit passes you will see what nicotine has taken from you. Don't let it back into your life. In three years I've seen too many examples of the lasting power of this addiction, never let your guard down. Check your inbox I left you a message.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on April 12, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-s ... nger-self/ (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-schilling-letter-to-my-younger-self/)

So appropriate for us all...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 13, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
Quote from: Laxref
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-s ... nger-self/ (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-schilling-letter-to-my-younger-self/)

So appropriate for us all...
amazing read.... thanks for posting.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on April 13, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Laxref
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-s ... nger-self/ (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-schilling-letter-to-my-younger-self/)

So appropriate for us all...
amazing read.... thanks for posting.
Agreed!!! Hopefully he will get through to some young dumb 16 YO's that want to dip because its "cool"
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BROODKOWSKI on April 17, 2015, 04:23:00 PM
Hi everyone I just joined the site today, I quit for a couple months a few years ago using the coffee pouches and plan to start my quit once they come in the mail next week. For me the cravings are always associated with an activity, driving, golfing, working, after a couple drinks and the list goes on and on. Do any of you have any suggestions for easing those and have any of you had success using the coffee pouches or something similar? Thanks in advanced for the help and I'm thankful for all the information on this site keep up the good work!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zmckee13 on April 18, 2015, 04:13:00 AM
Hi everyone, Im a new member here only 6 days into my quit cold turkey. As most of you can probably imagine the cravings are pretty intense this first week and also wondered like BROODKOWSKI above me what methods anyone has used to get through them. Has anyone tried Nicorete gum, I used to see my grandfather use it in lieu of cigs but I feel in the end he just became addicted to the gum instead.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cbird65 on April 18, 2015, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: zmckee13
Hi everyone, Im a new member here only 6 days into my quit cold turkey. As most of you can probably imagine the cravings are pretty intense this first week and also wondered like BROODKOWSKI above me what methods anyone has used to get through them. Has anyone tried Nicorete gum, I used to see my grandfather use it in lieu of cigs but I feel in the end he just became addicted to the gum instead.
This site can help you kick your nicotine addiction (not a habit) to the curb. We don't use words like try or hope as they are just another excuse for our addictive brains to tell us another lie. There are no short cuts, its gonna suck until it doesn't but then you'll at least be able to look yourself in the mirror and know you are no longer a slave.
This a NO NICOTINE site. End of discussion.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: twistified on April 19, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
Hey everyone...so after 24 years of being chained to this can, I am ready to call it quits.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Chipper3000 on April 19, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: twistified
Hey everyone...so after 24 years of being chained to this can, I am ready to call it quits.
That's awesome.. Come on over to the july 15 quit group and post roll with us everyday!!!

topic/11069030/176/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11069030/176/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on April 19, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: Chipper3000
Quote from: twistified
Hey everyone...so after 24 years of being chained to this can, I am ready to call it quits.
That's awesome.. Come on over to the july 15 quit group and post roll with us everyday!!!

topic/11069030/176/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11069030/176/)
Welcome to the fun, twistified!

The Welcome Center is the place to start: forum/55560/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)

The first several days will really suck but your life is worth the fight!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 22, 2015, 10:44:00 AM
Competitive vaping.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Competitive... FUCKING... VAPING!?!?!?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep ... 1429646394 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep-breath-if-you-want-to-try-competitive-vaping-1429646394)

I hate the world we live in sometimes...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on April 22, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Competitive vaping.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Competitive... FUCKING... VAPING!?!?!?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep ... 1429646394 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep-breath-if-you-want-to-try-competitive-vaping-1429646394)

I hate the world we live in sometimes...
:blink: Idiocy has no bounds! 'facepalm''
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on April 22, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: chewie
Competitive vaping.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Competitive... FUCKING... VAPING!?!?!?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep ... 1429646394 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep-breath-if-you-want-to-try-competitive-vaping-1429646394)

I hate the world we live in sometimes...
:blink: Idiocy has no bounds! 'facepalm''
What could go wrong?

'facepalm''
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ColoradoProud on April 22, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: chewie
Competitive vaping.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Competitive... FUCKING... VAPING!?!?!?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep ... 1429646394 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep-breath-if-you-want-to-try-competitive-vaping-1429646394)

I hate the world we live in sometimes...
:blink: Idiocy has no bounds! 'facepalm''
What could go wrong?

'facepalm''
Honestly... I want to see them pass out.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Doc2quit4good on April 22, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: ColoradoProud
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: chewie
Competitive vaping.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Competitive... FUCKING... VAPING!?!?!?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep ... 1429646394 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/take-a-deep-breath-if-you-want-to-try-competitive-vaping-1429646394)

I hate the world we live in sometimes...
:blink: Idiocy has no bounds! 'facepalm''
What could go wrong?

'facepalm''
Honestly... I want to see them pass out.
I was in a restaurant not long ago, and these cats were sitting at a table doing that... taking a shitload of that crap in and fogging the joint up. They were so proud of themselves.... I thought it was just as nasty as dipping.. They had chicks with them too just watching...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on April 23, 2015, 08:15:00 AM
Presented without comment...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/a ... cco-giants (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/22/san-francisco-chewing-tobacco-giants)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 23, 2015, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Presented without comment...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/a ... cco-giants (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/22/san-francisco-chewing-tobacco-giants)
On one hand I hate any entity telling someone they can't do something.

On the other hand, I've got a hard time finding anything wrong with this particular course of action. Well done!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: LA_deskdog on April 23, 2015, 09:13:00 AM
Just found this in the LA Times - San Francisco considering a ban on smokeless tobacco from ball fields throughout the city, including at ATT Park.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smo ... story.html (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smokeless-tobacco-20150423-story.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on April 23, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: LA_deskdog
Just found this in the LA Times - San Francisco considering a ban on smokeless tobacco from ball fields throughout the city, including at ATT Park.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smo ... story.html (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smokeless-tobacco-20150423-story.html)
Ummmm....
Quote from: Nolaq
Presented without comment...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/a ... cco-giants (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/22/san-francisco-chewing-tobacco-giants)
On one hand I hate any entity telling someone they can't do something.

On the other hand, I've got a hard time finding anything wrong with this particular course of action. Well done!

:blink:
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: rdad on April 23, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: LA_deskdog
Just found this in the LA Times - San Francisco considering a ban on smokeless tobacco from ball fields throughout the city, including at ATT Park.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smo ... story.html (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-smokeless-tobacco-20150423-story.html)
Ummmm....
Quote from: Nolaq
Presented without comment...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/a ... cco-giants (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/22/san-francisco-chewing-tobacco-giants)
On one hand I hate any entity telling someone they can't do something.

On the other hand, I've got a hard time finding anything wrong with this particular course of action. Well done!

:blink:
roflmao roflmao
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Laxref on April 24, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
Saw this in the campus newspaper of my alma mater:
http://theithacan.org/sports/chewing-to ... l-culture/ (http://theithacan.org/sports/chewing-tobacco-still-prevalent-in-baseball-culture/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: FamilyFirst on April 26, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
Today is my first quit day. I quit in 2012 when a Dr told me my broken arm was not healing because nicotine suppresses blood vessels and hinders the bones. After 6 month bones fused and back to the can. Now my 12 and 9 year olds asked me to quit for good as the don't want it to hurt me so here I am. I am fearful of the side effect and if anyone has advice or encouragement it would be greatly appreciated. My family is my motivation and you folks are my inspiration.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: FamilyFirst on April 26, 2015, 01:43:00 PM
Newbie
Posts:
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Today is my first quit day. I quit in 2012 when a Dr told me my broken arm was not healing because nicotine suppresses blood vessels and hinders the bones. After 6 month bones fused and back to the can. Now my 12 and 9 year olds asked me to quit for good as the don't want it to hurt me so here I am. I am fearful of the side effect and if anyone has advice or encouragement it would be greatly appreciated. My family is my motivation and you folks are my inspiration.
I am ready to be done for good. I do remember felling so much better and the side effects surpassed with the exception of waking up multiple time a night.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on April 26, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: FamilyFirst
Today is my first quit day. I quit in 2012 when a Dr told me my broken arm was not healing because nicotine suppresses blood vessels and hinders the bones. After 6 month bones fused and back to the can. Now my 12 and 9 year olds asked me to quit for good as the don't want it to hurt me so here I am. I am fearful of the side effect and if anyone has advice or encouragement it would be greatly appreciated. My family is my motivation and you folks are my inspiration.
Just shot you a private message PM to give you next step instructions, welcome!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 27, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
CVS takes tobacco off the shelves, reports record sales. Coincidence?
https://www.2degreesnetwork.com/groups/ ... incidence/ (https://www.2degreesnetwork.com/groups/2degrees-community/resources/cvs-takes-tobacco-off-shelves-reports-record-sales-coincidence/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Moose42 on April 28, 2015, 01:09:00 AM
Hey Everyone,
Today is day number 10, as my last dip was April 18,2015 at roughly 1:00pm. I thought to myself is this something I want to be doing for the rest of my life and if I want to tell my two year old son that this is ok. I've never really been pressured to quit to be honest; both of my parents have supported my addiction of 11 years (chewing since I was 16). My numerous girlfriends, friends and employers have never had an issue with it either. So when I say that I want to be tobacco free; I mean I want to remain tobacco free. I stopped cold turkey and its been rough. The headaches, vomiting, shakes, drowsiness and the odd sleep cycles have seemed to dissipate. Is any of this going to continue? I have always stayed up late, but I've been falling asleep around 10pm and waking up at 4am (which has never happened to my recollection). I'm just looking for some advise or tips people have to remain tobacco free. Also, I cant find a quit date posting for anything in 2015, to join a group. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 28, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
Quote from: Moose42
Hey Everyone,
Today is day number 10, as my last dip was April 18,2015 at roughly 1:00pm. I thought to myself is this something I want to be doing for the rest of my life and if I want to tell my two year old son that this is ok. I've never really been pressured to quit to be honest; both of my parents have supported my addiction of 11 years (chewing since I was 16). My numerous girlfriends, friends and employers have never had an issue with it either. So when I say that I want to be tobacco free; I mean I want to remain tobacco free. I stopped cold turkey and its been rough. The headaches, vomiting, shakes, drowsiness and the odd sleep cycles have seemed to dissipate. Is any of this going to continue? I have always stayed up late, but I've been falling asleep around 10pm and waking up at 4am (which has never happened to my recollection). I'm just looking for some advise or tips people have to remain tobacco free. Also, I cant find a quit date posting for anything in 2015, to join a group. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
Welcome Moose! Based on your quit date, you're a part of the July 2015 HOF group: topic/11069030/1/?x=90 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11069030/1/?x=90)

Here's a great list of What To Expect that's been put together over the years - it's SCARY accurate
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)

Let me know how we can help. Welcome!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Joe Sugarman on April 28, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
Hey Everyone,

I have been reading these posts on and off now for the past 2 months. I just joined today because I know that talking about it will help me stay stopped. I have not packed a lip in a little over 2 months now after 8 years of using ever single day. The physical withdrawals have finally gone, but the mental symptoms are, and will be here for a long time. I crave it. I am finally enjoying the things I used to enjoy with a lip but there are sometimes (such as in my office doing work) where i get bored and usually would pack a lip. Looking for some other options in getting through those cravings. Thank you guys. All the best and stay strong.

Joe
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on April 28, 2015, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Joe
Hey Everyone,

I have been reading these posts on and off now for the past 2 months. I just joined today because I know that talking about it will help me stay stopped. I have not packed a lip in a little over 2 months now after 8 years of using ever single day. The physical withdrawals have finally gone, but the mental symptoms are, and will be here for a long time. I crave it. I am finally enjoying the things I used to enjoy with a lip but there are sometimes (such as in my office doing work) where i get bored and usually would pack a lip. Looking for some other options in getting through those cravings. Thank you guys. All the best and stay strong.

Joe
Joe - First, 2 months solo is over the top awesome.

Next, this place still has tons of value to you. You should join a quit group. Bunch of dudes banded together in their own month. Depends on when your day 1 was which is the day you chucked the can. You could either be in our May 2015 group if you're quit date was 2/21 or prior, or June if your quit date was 2/22 or later.

The expectation is for you to post roll daily early, then keep your promise. Want to know more? Take a peek around at the intros, at some of the quit groups.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on April 29, 2015, 10:23:00 AM
New Blog Post: Fake Dip – One Dentist’s Opinion
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake ... s-opinion/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake-dip-one-dentists-opinion/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: NickNeck on April 29, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Hello Everyone,

Im sitting here on this site and reading these discussions with only a few hours since my last dip. Ive been thinking about and contemplating quitting for a while now and been slowing down. But finally, today it all hit me, once my mother said something about my addiction. It was that word pierced threw me, "addiction", I didnt think that I was addicted until she said that, then i thought about it, and realized that I am controlled and a slave to Nicotine. I am beginning this journey to quit today. I am beginning now
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on April 29, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: NickNeck
Hello Everyone,

Im sitting here on this site and reading these discussions with only a few hours since my last dip. Ive been thinking about and contemplating quitting for a while now and been slowing down. But finally, today it all hit me, once my mother said something about my addiction. It was that word pierced threw me, "addiction", I didnt think that I was addicted until she said that, then i thought about it, and realized that I am controlled and a slave to Nicotine. I am beginning this journey to quit today. I am beginning now
Good for you. Bo ahead and post your day count in  August 2015. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11112756/1/?x=90) All those quitting that will hit 100 days in August are banded together as quit brothers. In the meantime, water, water, more water. And get some jerky, seeds, gum, hard candy, toothpicks for the oral fixation. Whatever you do, stay quit. Nothing is more important. Is your life worth it?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Joe Sugarman on May 01, 2015, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: Done4Me
Quote from: Joe
Hey Everyone,

I have been reading these posts on and off now for the past 2 months. I just joined today because I know that talking about it will help me stay stopped. I have not packed a lip in a little over 2 months now after 8 years of using ever single day. The physical withdrawals have finally gone, but the mental symptoms are, and will be here for a long time. I crave it. I am finally enjoying the things I used to enjoy with a lip but there are sometimes (such as in my office doing work) where i get bored and usually would pack a lip. Looking for some other options in getting through those cravings. Thank you guys. All the best and stay strong.

Joe
Joe - First, 2 months solo is over the top awesome.

Next, this place still has tons of value to you. You should join a quit group. Bunch of dudes banded together in their own month. Depends on when your day 1 was which is the day you chucked the can. You could either be in our May 2015 group if you're quit date was 2/21 or prior, or June if your quit date was 2/22 or later.

The expectation is for you to post roll daily early, then keep your promise. Want to know more? Take a peek around at the intros, at some of the quit groups.
This place is great. I feel better knowing i have this as a "safeguard" instead of just doing it on my own.

I noticed you just hit a year. Congrats man thats great. Anything in
Particular that helped you the first few months?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Moon94 on May 02, 2015, 02:02:00 AM
Hey guys,
I might be a young soul on this site at 21 years old but i have decided its time to kill the can. Ive been dipping for about 3 years now during college (nothing compared to some of you guys) and really ramped up this past summer when i roughnecked offshore (1-2 cans of cope wintergreen) where you had to dip to be one of the guys. I thought I was "cool" "a real man" etc but recently im thinking the exact opposite after one day fishing on the river. (Side note: i love fishing) It all happened when i was paddling down the river after catching a 4-5 lb bass with a big dip in, i thought I was the man until i looked on the bank to see a father and son fishing having a great time. I dont know what happened but my future flashed infront of my eyes, begging the question "is dip really worth losing days from my life that could be spent with my kids?" (Ps: i dont have kids yet). My answer to my self was "fuck no", and i chunked that dip as far as I could and dumped my can. This journey wont be fun but theres not really a choice here.

We can do this together
-Moon
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jdeal on May 02, 2015, 09:09:00 PM
Hello,

My name is Jamison and i a on my 13th day from quitting smokeless tobacco. i'll tell you what it was the worst 13 days of my life but is slowly getting better. it all started when i contracted strep throat and it upset my stomach to chew so i quit. Being sick and quitting at the same time hurt. I had really bad body aches, chest pain, headaches, Dry mouth, tight throat, anxiety, and I got the fog very badly in fact I still feel it. I had shooting pains appear randomly in my body and still do. I'm curious to know what was strep throat and what was withdrawal. I'm going strong now without the use of any type of replacement. I cold Turkeyed on the 20th of April. The only thing that truly is bothering me now is the tightness in the throat and my anxiety. I had gone to the doctor and they prescribed me with antibiotics, an anti acid, and anxiety medication to be taken as needed. It seems I only have trouble when I'm bored as that is what my mind is running and I can't seem to stop. But I know with each new day it'll get a little bit better.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 05, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
The Best Way to Quit Smoking IsnÂ’t E-Cigs
http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/ (http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on May 05, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
The Best Way to Quit Smoking IsnÂ’t E-Cigs
http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/ (http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/)
It's a matter of semantics: The best way to quit nicotine is to quit nicotine, not to substitute delivery systems.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 05, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: chewie
The Best Way to Quit Smoking IsnÂ’t E-Cigs
http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/ (http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/)
It's a matter of semantics: The best way to quit nicotine is to quit nicotine, not to substitute delivery systems.
^^^

this.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zmckee13 on May 05, 2015, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: chewie
The Best Way to Quit Smoking IsnÂ’t E-Cigs
http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/ (http://time.com/3845871/best-way-to-quit-smoking/)
It's a matter of semantics: The best way to quit nicotine is to quit nicotine, not to substitute delivery systems.
^^^

this.
I tried the E-Cig craze for a little while but that ish really messed my lungs up, who even knows the long term affects its has on someone. Obviously dip and cigs have apparent long term affects
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: yogi on May 06, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
i am quitting form tommorow.pray for my sucess .i had quitted earlier also for 6 months then it came back.now it will be full and final quit.no gums nuthing now its between me and can.lets see who wins
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 07, 2015, 12:37:00 PM
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 07, 2015, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: yogi
i am quitting form tommorow.pray for my sucess .i had quitted earlier also for 6 months then it came back.now it will be full and final quit.no gums nuthing now its between me and can.lets see who wins
Why tomorrow? What makes that a better day than today to be a quitter?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 07, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 07, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Definitely still worth it.

Advice... hang in there. It DOES get better. When you're dealing with a bad day, go back to basics - water, read, post.

Also, this may be early onset of The Funk... in which case, it's totally normal:

Explaining "The Funk" Part 1 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-1/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-1/)

Explaining "The Funk" Part 2 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-2/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-2/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 07, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
Definitely still worth it.

Advice... hang in there. It DOES get better. When you're dealing with a bad day, go back to basics - water, read, post.

Also, this may be early onset of The Funk... in which case, it's totally normal:

Explaining "The Funk" Part 1 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-1/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-1/)

Explaining "The Funk" Part 2 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-2/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-2/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 07, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
fuchews
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 07, 2015, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: yogi
i am quitting form tommorow.pray for my sucess .i had quitted earlier also for 6 months then it came back.now it will be full and final quit.no gums nuthing now its between me and can.lets see who wins
Why tomorrow? What makes that a better day than today to be a quitter?
There is a lot of power in the NOW. Right here, right NOW.

Dump your stash and flush it! Why wait for 'tomorrow'?

I've 'quit' a million times on 'tomorrow'.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on May 07, 2015, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
Definitely still worth it.

Advice... hang in there. It DOES get better. When you're dealing with a bad day, go back to basics - water, read, post.

Also, this may be early onset of The Funk... in which case, it's totally normal:

Explaining "The Funk" Part 1 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-1/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-1/)

Explaining "The Funk" Part 2 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-2/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-2/)
I agree. Do you know what else helps it? Taking your mind somewhere else. Think of anything that you want. Relive your favorite childhood moment if you want to, it doesn't matter.

If you need to just keep your mind busy, I sent you my number. Don't hesitate to reach out.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 07, 2015, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
fuchews
*hugs*
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on May 07, 2015, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: yogi
i am quitting form tommorow.pray for my sucess .i had quitted earlier also for 6 months then it came back.now it will be full and final quit.no gums nuthing now its between me and can.lets see who wins
Why tomorrow? What makes that a better day than today to be a quitter?
Quote from: yogi
now its between me and can. lets see who wins
Yogi I hope you quit today. I will look for you on roll in Aug 15. You are right that is between you and a can.

You are having a mental debate with a dead plant in a plastic can! Really how stupid does that sound? But all of us here know that conversation all too well, we just don't loose any more.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bucky on May 07, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: candoit
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: yogi
i am quitting form tommorow.pray for my sucess .i had quitted earlier also for 6 months then it came back.now it will be full and final quit.no gums nuthing now its between me and can.lets see who wins
Why tomorrow? What makes that a better day than today to be a quitter?
Quote from: yogi
now its between me and can. lets see who wins
Yogi I hope you quit today. I will look for you on roll in Aug 15. You are right that is between you and a can.

You are having a mental debate with a dead plant in a plastic can! Really how stupid does that sound? But all of us here know that conversation all too well, we just don't loose any more.
Agree with candoit ... don't argue with a dead weed. I spent over 23 years of my 26 years of dipping saying I could do this tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 07, 2015, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
Definitely still worth it.

Advice... hang in there. It DOES get better. When you're dealing with a bad day, go back to basics - water, read, post.

Also, this may be early onset of The Funk... in which case, it's totally normal:

Explaining "The Funk" Part 1 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-1/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-1/)

Explaining "The Funk" Part 2 - KillTheCan.org
http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... nk-part-2/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/explaining-the-funk-part-2/)
I agree. Do you know what else helps it? Taking your mind somewhere else. Think of anything that you want. Relive your favorite childhood moment if you want to, it doesn't matter.

If you need to just keep your mind busy, I sent you my number. Don't hesitate to reach out.

Thanks to all!! Sometimes you just have to vent, like many of you that crap has been in my lip for 25 years.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 07, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
Guess which drug is on top of this list?

The 3 deadliest drugs in America are all totally legal
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/19/5727712/th ... ally-legal (http://www.vox.com/2014/5/19/5727712/the-three-deadliest-drugs-in-america-are-all-totally-legal)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on May 07, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Guess which drug is on top of this list?

The 3 deadliest drugs in America are all totally legal
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/19/5727712/th ... ally-legal (http://www.vox.com/2014/5/19/5727712/the-three-deadliest-drugs-in-america-are-all-totally-legal)
I thought Botox would be on the list? Hmmm.

Alcohol is really a close second though; isn't it? 'facepalm''
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keddy on May 07, 2015, 06:49:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
He said he "had" rage . . . .

roflmao roflmao
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 08, 2015, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
He said he "had" rage . . . .

roflmao roflmao
'arse' #sportof
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: brobkc87 on May 08, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
I quit a month and a half ago and since I did I have felt bad I'm short of breath chest pain very emotional been to doctors who say I'm ok just wondering if you all had this.
Thanks guys
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 08, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: brobkc87
I quit a month and a half ago and since I did I have felt bad I'm short of breath chest pain very emotional been to doctors who say I'm ok just wondering if you all had this.
Thanks guys
Holy shit, yea I had that. I still sometimes feel like I can't catch my breath. Wanna hear the crazy part? I'm a fucking marathon runner. Chew has done a number on us in ways we will never understand. Give it time man, give it time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 08, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
He said he "had" rage . . . .

roflmao roflmao
'arse' #sportof
I'll tell you what's nuts...at 80 days I feel pretty much the same as I did when I was at 60. The fog isn't as thick, but my temper, holy shit...don't cut me off in traffic. Energy level for me is still up and down...sometimes changing every ten minutes. Fuckin nuts man.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 09, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
He said he "had" rage . . . .

roflmao roflmao
'arse' #sportof
I'll tell you what's nuts...at 80 days I feel pretty much the same as I did when I was at 60. The fog isn't as thick, but my temper, holy shit...don't cut me off in traffic. Energy level for me is still up and down...sometimes changing every ten minutes. Fuckin nuts man.
250 Days man. It took me about 250 days to level off. I don't say that to discourage you. Just the opposite. I tell you that to let you know THIS WILL PASS!

Everyone is different. Just stay strong and know two things - 1. This will not last forever. 2. ITS WORTH THE STRUGGLE!

I don't regret one second of the Hell I walked through to be here now. Power through. You can do this.

Shoot me a PM if you need to bro. If I can do this, you can.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 11, 2015, 08:14:00 AM
Made it through a tough weekend. The quit is strong, but man I enjoy my beer now. I've never been a big drinker, but since the quit...there is a noticeable difference. The nic bitch would cut me off after a few, now I gotta cut me off. Just another challenge, it shall be done!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on May 11, 2015, 08:42:00 AM
Nice!

http://time.com/3852742/san-francisco-b ... g-tobacco/ (http://time.com/3852742/san-francisco-bans-chewing-tobacco/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 11, 2015, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: Diesel2112
Nice!

http://time.com/3852742/san-francisco-b ... g-tobacco/ (http://time.com/3852742/san-francisco-bans-chewing-tobacco/)
LOVE IT!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Clint31 on May 12, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 12, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: basshaug on May 12, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
Clint, you got tbis shit. Nicotine has never and will never do one positive thing for you. It is good for one thing only, temporarily easing the withdrawal it, itself caused. Fill that void with quiy and you won't ever regret it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 12, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
FUHaug
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on May 12, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: basshaug
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
Clint, you got tbis shit. Nicotine has never and will never do one positive thing for you. It is good for one thing only, temporarily easing the withdrawal it, itself caused. Fill that void with quiy and you won't ever regret it.
Whoa, whoa whoa!

You better power through this Clint!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on May 12, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
Don't do it bro. It's not worth it. Remember this post you made last week...

"Cinco de mayo 2015. the day I decided to quit for my little girl."

You caved since then, don't do it again. Breaking your word for a moment of weakness will result in more regret and push you further away from being quit.

Go for a jog, do some burpees, do some push ups, get some fake, stuff 20 pieces of gum in your mouth. Whatever it takes to keep that shit out of your cake hole.

Another suggestion...start an intro and tell us more about yourself and why you want to quit. Just typing all that out can be therapeutic and get your mind off of things, not to mention the support that will come along with it.

DO SOMETHING. DON'T BITCH OUT AND CAVE. IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on May 12, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: Diesel2112
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
Don't do it bro. It's not worth it. Remember this post you made last week...

"Cinco de mayo 2015. the day I decided to quit for my little girl."

You caved since then, don't do it again. Breaking your word for a moment of weakness will result in more regret and push you further away from being quit.

Go for a jog, do some burpees, do some push ups, get some fake, stuff 20 pieces of gum in your mouth. Whatever it takes to keep that shit out of your cake hole.

Another suggestion...start an intro and tell us more about yourself and why you want to quit. Just typing all that out can be therapeutic and get your mind off of things, not to mention the support that will come along with it.

DO SOMETHING. DON'T BITCH OUT AND CAVE. IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
Clint, I caved before. Trust me, it's the worst decision that you could ever make in your life. I'm including a post that I made a while back that describes how much harder it is to come back after a cave. The post may he harsh because of the language, but simply typing it helped me a lot. I hope it helps you realize exactly why you don't want to ever subject yourself to nicotine again.
Quote from: Lumberjack
As many of you know, I'm a retread. I let the Nic Bitch take over my life... Again.

I fucking knew what freedom felt like, and then I let it slip from my fucking hands, only to land back in hell. Except this time the Devil was mad that I escaped him once, so he was going to punish me for trying to escape again. Do you know what the Devil does to those who try to escape him a second time?? Well I'll tell you what he does: HE MAKES IT 14210443989137438132129 TIMES FUCKING HARDER TO ESCAPE!!! HE MAKES THE ROAD STEEPER, CURVIER, AND HAS NO GUARD RAILS NEXT TO THE FUCKING CLIFFS!!! HE MAKES THAT ROAD SO FUCKING HARD, THAT YOU ALMOST WANT TO JUST FALL OFF THE CLIFF AND RELAX BACK IN HELL!!! SHIT!!!

So... I'm working my ass off not only for myself, but for you. I don't want you to experience this... One quit is enough... Just remember this... Don't do it because your "vocal leader" (or whatever the shit I am to you pricks) said it, do it because a guy who has one foot in Heaven and one foot in Hell is standing in front of you, begging for you to not go the same route as him.

So in my real and final conclusion, I would just like to say one thing:

[size=100]FUCK NICOTINE[/size]
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Robb Wolf on May 12, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Clint31
I am feeling weak, and trying not to cave
BAH... don't do it man. The fact that you're posting here tells me that you're not ready to give in... HANG IN THERE!!!
I don't know what step of the journey you're on, and I just posted day 25.

You can do this. Stop TRYING to not cave. TRYING implies that failing is a possibility. It is not.
Get that possibility out of your head! Push that Nic Bitch far out of your thoughts with whatever tools you have: food, TV, sex, exercise, fighting, WHATEVER, just DO NOT put that CANCER back in your mouth!

The only person who can put that dip back in your mouth is you. Don't be that guy. Don't cave today. Cave tomorrow if you have to, but don't cave today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 12, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Feeling weak and being weak are 2 different things!! Come on man, 1 more day!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: 30yraddict on May 12, 2015, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: QuitterKev
Feeling weak and being weak are 2 different things!! Come on man, 1 more day!
^ and that's all you have to do. Just get through today. Tomorrow is a new day, a new promise. My promise to you? It will get better. MUCH better. Mark my words, getting through this is worth it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: 30isEnuff on May 14, 2015, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: QuitterKev
I am 60 days in and my temper is getting shorter each day!! I have read the stories and I guess I thought it would be easier for me. (HaHa). Energy level is up and down and my focus is not what it should be. Still worth it. Any advice?
Power through brother, power through.

There was no turning back for me. I had rage, probably like yours. I wanted to crush everyone and everything.

I spent time here. That was my release. I raged here.

Physical exercise is good, too.

Bottom line is, you can do this!
He said he "had" rage . . . .

roflmao roflmao
'arse' #sportof
I'll tell you what's nuts...at 80 days I feel pretty much the same as I did when I was at 60. The fog isn't as thick, but my temper, holy shit...don't cut me off in traffic. Energy level for me is still up and down...sometimes changing every ten minutes. Fuckin nuts man.
250 Days man. It took me about 250 days to level off. I don't say that to discourage you. Just the opposite. I tell you that to let you know THIS WILL PASS!

Everyone is different. Just stay strong and know two things - 1. This will not last forever. 2. ITS WORTH THE STRUGGLE!

I don't regret one second of the Hell I walked through to be here now. Power through. You can do this.

Shoot me a PM if you need to bro. If I can do this, you can.
^^^^ Words of wisdom right there!
Never give up, never surrender.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RendFou on May 15, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Day three. I can't tell if these are mouth sores, or just from where I've eaten six packs of Mento's today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RendFou on May 16, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: RendFou
Day three. I can't tell if these are mouth sores, or just from where I've eaten six packs of Mento's today.
Swishing with a heavy mixture of baking soda to water, a few times a day, seems to help quite a bit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on May 16, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: RendFou
Quote from: RendFou
Day three. I can't tell if these are mouth sores, or just from where I've eaten six packs of Mento's today.
Swishing with a heavy mixture of baking soda to water, a few times a day, seems to help quite a bit.
We all go to that place of what if...after we quit we finally realize the possible damage we have done.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on May 16, 2015, 12:38:00 PM
Discussion! Who wins in this Warriors/Gladiator style fight?

RULES:
Yes, I just got finished watching both movies.

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Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tobaccooless90 on May 16, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
I have been viewing this site for years in hope to quit dipping but never did. I started when I was 17 because of high school baseball and I just recently got the courage to quit (may 1, 2015) at 25 (8 years) didnt use as long as other dippers I know but long enough to want to put it down. I try everything I can to keep my mind off of it like playing guitar, working out, I even vape a little bit just to keep from going crazy, it seems like now that I have quit my neck, head and shoulders hurt and ears ring everyday and my mouth has bumps like crazy without chewing sunflower seeds or having anything salty, bumps just pop up and it's usually alot of bumps, dentist and ENT says I'm fine but I've read story's of ENT's and docs over looking things, my wife says ima hypercondriac and that may be so but I'm just worried I may of waited to late to quit, Idk but I wanted to hear from other dippers that quit to see if these are symptoms of quitting or if maybe I need to go see someone else. Thanks for any replies that I may get back!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Candoit on May 16, 2015, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: tobaccooless90
I have been viewing this site for years in hope to quit dipping but never did. I started when I was 17 because of high school baseball and I just recently got the courage to quit (may 1, 2015) at 25 (8 years) didnt use as long as other dippers I know but long enough to want to put it down. I try everything I can to keep my mind off of it like playing guitar, working out, I even vape a little bit just to keep from going crazy, it seems like now that I have quit my neck, head and shoulders hurt and ears ring everyday and my mouth has bumps like crazy without chewing sunflower seeds or having anything salty, bumps just pop up and it's usually alot of bumps, dentist and ENT says I'm fine but I've read story's of ENT's and docs over looking things, my wife says ima hypercondriac and that may be so but I'm just worried I may of waited to late to quit, Idk but I wanted to hear from other dippers that quit to see if these are symptoms of quitting or if maybe I need to go see someone else. Thanks for any replies that I may get back!
We tend to freak out about what we have done to our bodies. Not quitting or going back to the can, will not help or make anything better.

Brotherhood helps to ground us, the accountability keeps us quit. Which allows us to be successful
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: wrongfoot on May 17, 2015, 01:49:00 AM
Been off the dip for about three weeks now after a good 15 or so years. Not really sure why I started but happy I stopped. Have had a sore throat from out of this world since I quit, anyone have something similar? I was quite lucky, I had the fog for a few days but no major issues other than that.

Will look forward to spending some time around here with me fellow quitters.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zam on May 18, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: wrongfoot
Been off the dip for about three weeks now after a good 15 or so years. Not really sure why I started but happy I stopped. Have had a sore throat from out of this world since I quit, anyone have something similar? I was quite lucky, I had the fog for a few days but no major issues other than that.

Will look forward to spending some time around here with me fellow quitters.
Congrats, wrongfoot. It's fairly common to get sores, etc. Check out the "what to expect when quitting" section for other things. Three weeks free is a big deal. Alone, I went 27 years and never really "quit" for more than a few days.
This place, KTC, isn't really a place where people casually drop in and out. If you haven't yet, take a look at the WELCOME CENTER information, HOF speeches, and Words of Wisdom in order to get a feel of what we are about. If you can make a promise and keep it, go to the July(?) quit group and post roll. That's where the magic of this place happens.

BTW, my first week free sucked. But the mid twenties tested me more than the first week. The first days, I sprinted out to a lead over the nicotine bitch, and she just smiled and let me gain my lead. She hadn't given up, just shifted into a marathon pace. I had to learn to run a long race. I did, and today I'd need binoculars to look back and see the nicotine bitch, but I know she's there, plodding along. Moral of the story...keep quitting. KTC is a great place to do it, every day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zam on May 18, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
Anyone know if there is a product like fake-dip for cigarette users? I guess there is ecig juice that is nic-free? Fake dip is probably not a great aid to a former smoker.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 18, 2015, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: Zam
Anyone know if there is a product like fake-dip for cigarette users? I guess there is ecig juice that is nic-free? Fake dip is probably not a great aid to a former smoker.
Yes, there are e-cigs that contain no nicotine / tobacco.

I was never a smoker so I can't really comment on what else is out there, but I've heard several people talk about how something as simple as a carrot stick will help with the fixation.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 18, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
At Day 90 I'm amazed at how my mood changes from being extremely depressed during some parts of my day to being a happy camper during other parts. Like today for example, started out in an extremely bad mood and didn't feel like myself at all...but about mid morning, over the course of an hour, it just slowly changed to feeling pretty dam good the rest of the day.

My brain doesn't seem healed yet either. I mean, it just feels "off." I can definitely tell things have gotten better...but to be honest, I feel a long ways from feeling normal again. The cravings are somewhat manageable...granted they can sometimes last for hours, but smokey mountain and exercise still seem effective there.

Fuck, shit, GOD DAMM MOTHER FUCKIN A, COCK SUCKER, FUCK, FUCK, SHIT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!! WHEN WILL IT MOTHER FUCKING END!!!!!!!

Ok, I feel better now. I'll gladly take some advice.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 19, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: lastaddiction
At Day 90 I'm amazed at how my mood changes from being extremely depressed during some parts of my day to being a happy camper during other parts. Like today for example, started out in an extremely bad mood and didn't feel like myself at all...but about mid morning, over the course of an hour, it just slowly changed to feeling pretty dam good the rest of the day.

My brain doesn't seem healed yet either. I mean, it just feels "off." I can definitely tell things have gotten better...but to be honest, I feel a long ways from feeling normal again. The cravings are somewhat manageable...granted they can sometimes last for hours, but smokey mountain and exercise still seem effective there.

Fuck, shit, GOD DAMM MOTHER FUCKIN A, COCK SUCKER, FUCK, FUCK, SHIT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!! WHEN WILL IT MOTHER FUCKING END!!!!!!!

Ok, I feel better now. I'll gladly take some advice.
First piece of advice...

You're at 90 days... you're not cured. You're well into recovery, but you're not at the "end of the line".

You won't be "cured" at 100 days.
You won't be "cured" at 500 days.
You won't be "cured" at 1,000 days.
You won't be "cured" at 2,000 days.

I think you get my point.

I'm sitting here today at 3,222 days quit and I don't consider myself "cured". I'm WAY better off than I was at 100 days, and I'm better off that I was yesterday as I'm one more day away from nicotine. But the reason we post roll DAILY here is because we take things one day at a time. You'll have good days. You'll have bad days. But here's the thing... you'll never be done. This is a daily battle where some battles are easy and some are fucking WARS.

That may sound bleak and I'm sorry if it bums you out, but it's the truth.

But here's some more truth... it gets better.

Your bad days will come further and further apart. They'll be less and less intense. And you'll one day look back and realize that it's been months, hell maybe years, since the last time you've had anythign you'd consider a crave. You'll look back and realize that you've felt "normal" for months. And you'll realize that your NEW "normal" doesn't contain nicotine in any form.

And THAT my friend... is freedom.

I promise you this... keep posting, keep adding days. And you'll get there. I can't tell you when, but I can promsie you that you'll get there.

Proud to be quit with you today.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 19, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
From the "this shocks no one" department...

E-Cigarettes DONÂ’T Help Smokers Quit In The Long-Term
http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/05/e-c ... long-term/ (http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/05/e-cigarettes-dont-help-smokers-quit-in-the-long-term/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on May 19, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
The best news you'll read today... stop by and say HEY!

single/?p=9079583t=1005481 (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9079583&t=1005481)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Southpaw32 on May 19, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Figured id put this is the big forum. Anybody ever tried something like this for a celebration? http://www.honeyroseusa.com/#!store/cx5 ... ort=normal (http://www.honeyroseusa.com/#!store/cx5r/!/Herbal-Cigars/c/12491147/offset=0&sort=normal)

If you have, how was it?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 19, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: lastaddiction
At Day 90 I'm amazed at how my mood changes from being extremely depressed during some parts of my day to being a happy camper during other parts. Like today for example, started out in an extremely bad mood and didn't feel like myself at all...but about mid morning, over the course of an hour, it just slowly changed to feeling pretty dam good the rest of the day.

My brain doesn't seem healed yet either. I mean, it just feels "off." I can definitely tell things have gotten better...but to be honest, I feel a long ways from feeling normal again. The cravings are somewhat manageable...granted they can sometimes last for hours, but smokey mountain and exercise still seem effective there.

Fuck, shit, GOD DAMM MOTHER FUCKIN A, COCK SUCKER, FUCK, FUCK, SHIT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!! WHEN WILL IT MOTHER FUCKING END!!!!!!!

Ok, I feel better now. I'll gladly take some advice.
First piece of advice...

You're at 90 days... you're not cured. You're well into recovery, but you're not at the "end of the line".

You won't be "cured" at 100 days.
You won't be "cured" at 500 days.
You won't be "cured" at 1,000 days.
You won't be "cured" at 2,000 days.

I think you get my point.

I'm sitting here today at 3,222 days quit and I don't consider myself "cured". I'm WAY better off than I was at 100 days, and I'm better off that I was yesterday as I'm one more day away from nicotine. But the reason we post roll DAILY here is because we take things one day at a time. You'll have good days. You'll have bad days. But here's the thing... you'll never be done. This is a daily battle where some battles are easy and some are fucking WARS.

That may sound bleak and I'm sorry if it bums you out, but it's the truth.

But here's some more truth... it gets better.

Your bad days will come further and further apart. They'll be less and less intense. And you'll one day look back and realize that it's been months, hell maybe years, since the last time you've had anythign you'd consider a crave. You'll look back and realize that you've felt "normal" for months. And you'll realize that your NEW "normal" doesn't contain nicotine in any form.

And THAT my friend... is freedom.

I promise you this... keep posting, keep adding days. And you'll get there. I can't tell you when, but I can promsie you that you'll get there.

Proud to be quit with you today.

Chewie
Thanks Chewie, those bits of wisdom from guys like you make a big difference. One day at a time seemed cliche at the start of this whole ordeal, now I'm living it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on May 19, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: lastaddiction
At Day 90 I'm amazed at how my mood changes from being extremely depressed during some parts of my day to being a happy camper during other parts. Like today for example, started out in an extremely bad mood and didn't feel like myself at all...but about mid morning, over the course of an hour, it just slowly changed to feeling pretty dam good the rest of the day.

My brain doesn't seem healed yet either. I mean, it just feels "off." I can definitely tell things have gotten better...but to be honest, I feel a long ways from feeling normal again. The cravings are somewhat manageable...granted they can sometimes last for hours, but smokey mountain and exercise still seem effective there.

Fuck, shit, GOD DAMM MOTHER FUCKIN A, COCK SUCKER, FUCK, FUCK, SHIT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!! WHEN WILL IT MOTHER FUCKING END!!!!!!!

Ok, I feel better now. I'll gladly take some advice.
First piece of advice...

You're at 90 days... you're not cured. You're well into recovery, but you're not at the "end of the line".

You won't be "cured" at 100 days.
You won't be "cured" at 500 days.
You won't be "cured" at 1,000 days.
You won't be "cured" at 2,000 days.

I think you get my point.

I'm sitting here today at 3,222 days quit and I don't consider myself "cured". I'm WAY better off than I was at 100 days, and I'm better off that I was yesterday as I'm one more day away from nicotine. But the reason we post roll DAILY here is because we take things one day at a time. You'll have good days. You'll have bad days. But here's the thing... you'll never be done. This is a daily battle where some battles are easy and some are fucking WARS.

That may sound bleak and I'm sorry if it bums you out, but it's the truth.

But here's some more truth... it gets better.

Your bad days will come further and further apart. They'll be less and less intense. And you'll one day look back and realize that it's been months, hell maybe years, since the last time you've had anythign you'd consider a crave. You'll look back and realize that you've felt "normal" for months. And you'll realize that your NEW "normal" doesn't contain nicotine in any form.

And THAT my friend... is freedom.

I promise you this... keep posting, keep adding days. And you'll get there. I can't tell you when, but I can promsie you that you'll get there.

Proud to be quit with you today.

Chewie
Thanks Chewie, those bits of wisdom from guys like you make a big difference. One day at a time seemed cliche at the start of this whole ordeal, now I'm living it.
Chewie is spot on, it will get better some earlier than others but it will. For some of us it unmasked some additional problems that the nicotine and was hiding.
Also, for most of us we also use it to improve ourselves in other areas, drinking, deit, exercise, family, etc.
But whatever the case, staying quit is the key!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zam on May 19, 2015, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
From the "this shocks no one" department...

E-Cigarettes DONÂ’T Help Smokers Quit In The Long-Term
http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/05/e-c ... long-term/ (http://www.whackthepack.com/2015/05/e-cigarettes-dont-help-smokers-quit-in-the-long-term/)
Amen.
On a side note: ecigs have to be the tobacco industry's wet dream ....a product that is HIGHLY addictive, can be freely marketed like Starbust candy, made to taste like Starburst candy, seems to be able to fly under legislator's radar, and (as of yet?) is not filled with known carcinogens. Did I mention that it is HIGHLY addictive? Now, when you think about stopping "smoking", you can skip the cancer fear and go go straight to feeling guilty for being a douche.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: andymancan on May 21, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
Hey guys, Im a new quitter here. I had been dipping since I was 15 and now am only 19, i kept telling myself it was only 4 years and i could quit at any time without a problem. Now, after not dipping for 5 days (the longest ive gone since i took that first pinch at 15) i feel like shit, but in a good way because i know this is my body trying to free itself. I am wondering, since i hadnt dipped for 10-15 or hell even 30 years like some of you guys, will this shitty feeling end sooner? I feel like my head is blowing up and everything is foggy/ i cant concentrate. I can tell that sores in my mouth are starting to heal up, but after the 4th day i noticed some weird swelling under my tongue...has anyone else experienced this? I checked it out and doesnt seem to be anything wrong there but the anxiety and paranoia kills me!

And thanks for welcoming me into this awesome group! Im glad to have a place where i can really relate to people who have accomplished what i am trying to do!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tylerk on May 21, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 21, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: andymancan
Hey guys, Im a new quitter here. I had been dipping since I was 15 and now am only 19, i kept telling myself it was only 4 years and i could quit at any time without a problem. Now, after not dipping for 5 days (the longest ive gone since i took that first pinch at 15) i feel like shit, but in a good way because i know this is my body trying to free itself. I am wondering, since i hadnt dipped for 10-15 or hell even 30 years like some of you guys, will this shitty feeling end sooner? I feel like my head is blowing up and everything is foggy/ i cant concentrate. I can tell that sores in my mouth are starting to heal up, but after the 4th day i noticed some weird swelling under my tongue...has anyone else experienced this? I checked it out and doesnt seem to be anything wrong there but the anxiety and paranoia kills me!

And thanks for welcoming me into this awesome group! Im glad to have a place where i can really relate to people who have accomplished what i am trying to do!
I quit when I was young like you...had only dipped for about four years. I remember that there weren't many physical effects after about a month...but the cravings were still there and a year later I started up again. Now ten years later I can't explain to you how much more difficult it is to quit.

Don't worry about the sores and swelling, give your mouth a few weeks to heal up.

I'm kicking my younger self for not staying quit ten years ago....I'm on day 93 and it's not a whole lot different than day 3 was. Get this shit outa your mouth...and outa your life. Your future self will thank you for it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 21, 2015, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Tylerk
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Smokey mountain is a fuckin' life saver. I highly recommend it...especially on long drives, fishing, sitting around watching tv. It's been a big time catalyst in helping me quit.

I think tapering off is pretty effective...I set a quit date, and tapered off starting three weeks before my quit. I think it helped immensely.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on May 22, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Tylerk
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Smokey mountain is a fuckin' life saver. I highly recommend it...especially on long drives, fishing, sitting around watching tv. It's been a big time catalyst in helping me quit.

I think tapering off is pretty effective...I set a quit date, and tapered off starting three weeks before my quit. I think it helped immensely.
^^^ Nope....

Pull that fucking band-aid and man up! It is going to suck, your body is craving nicotine and the poison in chew, it is messing with your mind.
Keep quit and in 3-7 days the SUCK will be over but tapering and your will have to do it again in a couple days.
Drink gallons of water, work out, steam room, and get the poison out of your system.
Get some fake chew, seeds and gum, anything to help your stay quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on May 22, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Tylerk
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Smokey mountain is a fuckin' life saver. I highly recommend it...especially on long drives, fishing, sitting around watching tv. It's been a big time catalyst in helping me quit.

I think tapering off is pretty effective...I set a quit date, and tapered off starting three weeks before my quit. I think it helped immensely.
^^^ Nope....

Pull that fucking band-aid and man up! It is going to suck, your body is craving nicotine and the poison in chew, it is messing with your mind.
Keep quit and in 3-7 days the SUCK will be over but tapering and your will have to do it again in a couple days.
Drink gallons of water, work out, steam room, and get the poison out of your system.
Get some fake chew, seeds and gum, anything to help your stay quit.
I'm not the world's genius when it comes to quitting so take my opinion for what it's worth....I'd say gather all the knowledge you can and read like a son' bitch. I'd also agree that ripping the band-aid off all at ounce is probably one of the best ways to tackle this mother fucker, but whatever way you get yourself quit is the right way.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: AppleJack on May 23, 2015, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Tylerk
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Smokey mountain is a fuckin' life saver. I highly recommend it...especially on long drives, fishing, sitting around watching tv. It's been a big time catalyst in helping me quit.

I think tapering off is pretty effective...I set a quit date, and tapered off starting three weeks before my quit. I think it helped immensely.
^^^ Nope....

Pull that fucking band-aid and man up! It is going to suck, your body is craving nicotine and the poison in chew, it is messing with your mind.
Keep quit and in 3-7 days the SUCK will be over but tapering and your will have to do it again in a couple days.
Drink gallons of water, work out, steam room, and get the poison out of your system.
Get some fake chew, seeds and gum, anything to help your stay quit.
I'm not the world's genius when it comes to quitting so take my opinion for what it's worth....I'd say gather all the knowledge you can and read like a son' bitch. I'd also agree that ripping the band-aid off all at ounce is probably one of the best ways to tackle this mother fucker, but whatever way you get yourself quit is the right way.
There's only one way to quit... cold turkey.
No more.
Done.
Never again.

You can use any nicotine free method you want to stay quit but... real quitting is flat-out, badass, cold turkey.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: luminalover on May 24, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
I have bee dipping grizzly wintergreen since I was 14 and I used to steal it from my older brother. I am now 25 and only realize how often I actually dip when I have to clean up the massive amount of empty cans that I hide around the house. I am an adult and live alone but for some reason I still hide them and only dip when I am alone. I think that is the hardest part of quitting for me, it is such a secret addiction that not even my closest friends know about. I also go to the dentists regularly and get compliments on my great gums, teeth, and receive compliments all the time on how white my teeth are. I know I am unusually lucky and should not be complaining but sometimes I wish I would get rotting gums or yellow teeth to force me to quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 26, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Sometimes Nic is more insidious than obvious. A private addiction can be the hardest to break. Thanks for sharing and remember to quit everyday.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on May 26, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: lastaddiction
Quote from: Tylerk
First post on here-
I have had one rub in the last two days, my one was yesturday and have went all day without one. I've become so sick it's not funny. I was rubbing 2 to 3 cans a day before this. I'm dizzy, hot and cold, my body just aches, and my body just feels weak. Not trying to act like a wuss but should I try to wean myself off or is cold turkey the way to go? Also I ordered smokey mountain any input on that?
Smokey mountain is a fuckin' life saver. I highly recommend it...especially on long drives, fishing, sitting around watching tv. It's been a big time catalyst in helping me quit.

I think tapering off is pretty effective...I set a quit date, and tapered off starting three weeks before my quit. I think it helped immensely.
^^^ Nope....

Pull that fucking band-aid and man up! It is going to suck, your body is craving nicotine and the poison in chew, it is messing with your mind.
Keep quit and in 3-7 days the SUCK will be over but tapering and your will have to do it again in a couple days.
Drink gallons of water, work out, steam room, and get the poison out of your system.
Get some fake chew, seeds and gum, anything to help your stay quit.
I'm not the world's genius when it comes to quitting so take my opinion for what it's worth....I'd say gather all the knowledge you can and read like a son' bitch. I'd also agree that ripping the band-aid off all at ounce is probably one of the best ways to tackle this mother fucker, but whatever way you get yourself quit is the right way.
Lastaddiction you offered good advice, keep the quit strong! I tappered down for years before my quit, it doesn't work. I went from Cope to pouches, then I did pouches 24/7, so that didn't help... I got Nic gum and tried to quit but I was only supplementing my chewing habit. Another good one was, I will quit after this can or after the weekend, or my birthday, or my son's birthday...
The nic bitch is sneaky, they only way to beat her is cold turkey...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Maddog2020 on May 28, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
Last chew in right now. Have tried many times to quit but life keeps coming back. Today is the day!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Okie Hunter on May 28, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: Maddog2020
Last chew in right now. Have tried many times to quit but life keeps coming back. Today is the day!
we have pretty basic rules here maddog, and one is... you cant be on this site with a chew in. kinda makes sense if you stop and think about it.

get that one down and we can work on the remainder of what this place expects of you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Maddog2020 on May 28, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Okie
Quote from: Maddog2020
Last chew in right now. Have tried many times to quit but life keeps coming back. Today is the day!
we have pretty basic rules here maddog, and one is... you cant be on this site with a chew in. kinda makes sense if you stop and think about it.

get that one down and we can work on the remainder of what this place expects of you.
I understand. Was just surfing for help and came across this and thought i would post and check it out. Sorry for breaking the rule. It's all done and gone from here on out
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: danojeno on May 28, 2015, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Maddog2020
Quote from: Okie
Quote from: Maddog2020
Last chew in right now. Have tried many times to quit but life keeps coming back. Today is the day!
we have pretty basic rules here maddog, and one is... you cant be on this site with a chew in. kinda makes sense if you stop and think about it.

get that one down and we can work on the remainder of what this place expects of you.
I understand. Was just surfing for help and came across this and thought i would post and check it out. Sorry for breaking the rule. It's all done and gone from here on out
Nice job posting roll. Now let's do this!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Oregon Rut on May 28, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
Hello all. Finishing off day 4 cold turkey. Was a 1-2 can a day Grizzley wintergreen chewer for 9 years. Was doing pretty good up until today. Seems like everything I do triggers a craving. Part of my brain keeps telling me have one pinch then throw the rest of the can away. But I love not having the death breath, my mouth hurting, and forking out 5 to 10 dollars a day. Gotta stay strong!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 29, 2015, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Oregon
Hello all. Finishing off day 4 cold turkey. Was a 1-2 can a day Grizzley wintergreen chewer for 9 years. Was doing pretty good up until today. Seems like everything I do triggers a craving. Part of my brain keeps telling me have one pinch then throw the rest of the can away. But I love not having the death breath, my mouth hurting, and forking out 5 to 10 dollars a day. Gotta stay strong!!
Oregon Rut,
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on May 29, 2015, 08:02:00 AM
Quote from: Oregon
Hello all. Finishing off day 4 cold turkey. Was a 1-2 can a day Grizzley wintergreen chewer for 9 years. Was doing pretty good up until today. Seems like everything I do triggers a craving. Part of my brain keeps telling me have one pinch then throw the rest of the can away. But I love not having the death breath, my mouth hurting, and forking out 5 to 10 dollars a day. Gotta stay strong!!
Oregon Rut, get strong my friend!!! You will be amazed at how many things dip has taken over. You can do this!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KillerBear on May 31, 2015, 08:05:00 AM
Quote from: QuitterKev
Quote from: Oregon
Hello all. Finishing off day 4 cold turkey. Was a 1-2 can a day Grizzley wintergreen chewer for 9 years. Was doing pretty good up until today. Seems like everything I do triggers a craving. Part of my brain keeps telling me have one pinch then throw the rest of the can away. But I love not having the death breath, my mouth hurting, and forking out 5 to 10 dollars a day. Gotta stay strong!!
Oregon Rut, get strong my friend!!! You will be amazed at how many things dip has taken over. You can do this!!!
You can do it bro! I'm checking in after a long time on this site. This site saved me, stay with it and stay on here everyday. This is my 1797th nicotine free day. You can do it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tyler8612 on May 31, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
Any one else get real tired after the first day with out dip?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on June 01, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: Tyler8612
Any one else get real tired after the first day with out dip?
Without a doubt! You're used to relying on it every day as an addictive crutch. When you finally but the "crutch" away, your legs begin working muscles that they're not used to working. Just drink plenty of water and work out/run if you keep feeling this way. Don't worry... It gets better... Embrace the suck!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: David15 on June 02, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Day 2 cold turkey. I chewed Grizzly Wintergreen Longcut for 12 years. I did a can a day. I am turning 30 next month and decided it was time to save myself while I still could. This is brutal! My heart is pounding, I can't focus at all. Even writing this is a daunting task it seems. But I'm confident and I know this will get better. My gums and lip feel smooth though, that's something new! I welcome all support!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on June 03, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: David15
Day 2 cold turkey. I chewed Grizzly Wintergreen Longcut for 12 years. I did a can a day. I am turning 30 next month and decided it was time to save myself while I still could. This is brutal! My heart is pounding, I can't focus at all. Even writing this is a daunting task it seems. But I'm confident and I know this will get better. My gums and lip feel smooth though, that's something new! I welcome all support!!!
You got the support man!! Swim your way through the fog, devour the wisdom in these pages, post EVERY day, and hang in there. Are you posting with your group?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on June 04, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
Quote from: QuitterKev
Quote from: David15
Day 2 cold turkey. I chewed Grizzly Wintergreen Longcut for 12 years. I did a can a day. I am turning 30 next month and decided it was time to save myself while I still could. This is brutal! My heart is pounding, I can't focus at all. Even writing this is a daunting task it seems. But I'm confident and I know this will get better. My gums and lip feel smooth though, that's something new! I welcome all support!!!
You got the support man!! Swim your way through the fog, devour the wisdom in these pages, post EVERY day, and hang in there. Are you posting with your group?
David15,
Just want to make sure you are getting in with your group, the first few days can be extreme!! Get Quit!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Justiny5 on June 05, 2015, 06:00:00 PM
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: travisc on June 05, 2015, 09:39:00 PM
June 5th first day of Roll Call. Very very foggy. Thinking my level of concentration will be thoroughly shot as the days go by. It'll get better.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: travisc on June 05, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 06, 2015, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: travisc
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
well done guys - you're in the right place!

let us know how we can help along the way. you're among friends!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Imaquiter2015 on June 08, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: travisc
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
well done guys - you're in the right place!

let us know how we can help along the way. you're among friends!

chewie
Day 7 of going cold turkey! I've dipped about a can every 2 days for the last 8 years. I'm hoping this site will help me follow through! All advice and support is appreciated!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on June 10, 2015, 07:40:00 AM
Quote from: Imaquiter2015
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: travisc
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
well done guys - you're in the right place!

let us know how we can help along the way. you're among friends!

chewie
Day 7 of going cold turkey! I've dipped about a can every 2 days for the last 8 years. I'm hoping this site will help me follow through! All advice and support is appreciated!
Keep it simple!! Quit for the day and post!!! Read about others!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Zeke Wilson on June 10, 2015, 02:23:00 PM
Hey guys,I am new to the site but not new to smokeless tobacco. I have wanted to quit for a while but every time I try I just end up buying a tin and getting pissed at myself after packing another lip and I throw it out and then do the process over again the next day. (wasting a lot of cash) I am only 20 years old as of May 31st so I have been on this shit since I was like 15. I never thought it would be as bad an addiction as it is. I was killing a can a day sometimes more for a while there. I have decided to quit tonight since I already dipped today and just found this site. I think this will be good for me in the quitting process. I'm nervous because the joint of my jaw on the right side is stiff and I keep popping them both and popping my ears. I don't know what it is so i called the dentist and I'm getting it checked out after work. I am hoping that it's nothing and from all these comments of guys doing this shit for 20 years + calms me down but im still stressing. Although I had xrays like three weeks ago at the dentist I am still freaking out, boarder line break down from wanting to quit and the weird (not painful) sensation I have been having in my jaw joint that comes and goes. I think It may have something to do with all of the stressful times myself and the family have been going through. This shit has a grip on me and I need to get off of it ASAP.  It sucks being so young and so addicted to something like this. I mean I use Grizzly wintergreen, my grandfather used Chew for most of his life and recently passed away and they believe his problems were caused by chewing all of those years. I want to live life and have a family one day. I really need help getting off this shit and I'm glad to be on this site now. Hopefully I can kick it like the rest of you hard asses
-Zeke
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on June 11, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
Quote from: Zeke
Hey guys,I am new to the site but not new to smokeless tobacco. I have wanted to quit for a while but every time I try I just end up buying a tin and getting pissed at myself after packing another lip and I throw it out and then do the process over again the next day. (wasting a lot of cash) I am only 20 years old as of May 31st so I have been on this shit since I was like 15. I never thought it would be as bad an addiction as it is. I was killing a can a day sometimes more for a while there. I have decided to quit tonight since I already dipped today and just found this site. I think this will be good for me in the quitting process. I'm nervous because the joint of my jaw on the right side is stiff and I keep popping them both and popping my ears. I don't know what it is so i called the dentist and I'm getting it checked out after work. I am hoping that it's nothing and from all these comments of guys doing this shit for 20 years + calms me down but im still stressing. Although I had xrays like three weeks ago at the dentist I am still freaking out, boarder line break down from wanting to quit and the weird (not painful) sensation I have been having in my jaw joint that comes and goes. I think It may have something to do with all of the stressful times myself and the family have been going through. This shit has a grip on me and I need to get off of it ASAP. It sucks being so young and so addicted to something like this. I mean I use Grizzly wintergreen, my grandfather used Chew for most of his life and recently passed away and they believe his problems were caused by chewing all of those years. I want to live life and have a family one day. I really need help getting off this shit and I'm glad to be on this site now. Hopefully I can kick it like the rest of you hard asses
-Zeke
Zeke, great start dude!! I have been a dip guy (mostly grizz) for longer than you have been alive, just like others on this site. There are no easy answers!! But it is worth it, I am on Day 95 and I still quit everyday!! Get with your quit group, post roll EVERYDAY and stay focused on 1 quit day at a time. Smokey Mountain has saved my quit a few times, as well as sunflower seeds. Find what works and stay QUIT!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 11, 2015, 08:47:00 AM
One in 10 Americans Now Vape but Most Also Use Regular Tobacco Products
http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-va ... addiction/ (http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-vaping-health-tobacco-addiction/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on June 11, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
One in 10 Americans Now Vape but Most Also Use Regular Tobacco Products
http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-va ... addiction/ (http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-vaping-health-tobacco-addiction/)
Always trying to find new ways to keep people addicted. Fuckers.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mjollnir on June 11, 2015, 10:22:00 PM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: chewie
One in 10 Americans Now Vape but Most Also Use Regular Tobacco Products
http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-va ... addiction/ (http://time.com/3915957/e-cigarettes-vaping-health-tobacco-addiction/)
Always trying to find new ways to keep people addicted. Fuckers.
But vaping is "healthier for you than smoking right?".

Got into this discussion with one of the people my wife works with. They just don't understand.

I've argued with vap sales reps and they have the same story lines. Thing is, it's all bullshit and we all know it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Paul F on June 12, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
Hey all - I'm on day 5 cold turkey! I've dipped 1+ can a day of GW pouches for 6 years and this is my first time trying to quit in about 4. I wanted to wait to post until I proved to myself that I could make it through the 72 hour fog -- which I did!! Days 1-2 were tough mentally (cravings, inability to concentrate, tired), but with each day I'm feeling better and better. I still have the oral fixation and get cravings, but with each day I'm chewing less of the "fake stuff" and don't think about it as much. Thanks for all the posts/information about quitting on this site - it's helped me out a lot so far. The way I see it, I've already made it past the hardest part ... I OWE it to MYSELF to keep it going!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: wastepanel on June 12, 2015, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Paul
Hey all - I'm on day 5 cold turkey! I've dipped 1+ can a day of GW pouches for 6 years and this is my first time trying to quit in about 4. I wanted to wait to post until I proved to myself that I could make it through the 72 hour fog -- which I did!! Days 1-2 were tough mentally (cravings, inability to concentrate, tired), but with each day I'm feeling better and better. I still have the oral fixation and get cravings, but with each day I'm chewing less of the "fake stuff" and don't think about it as much. Thanks for all the posts/information about quitting on this site - it's helped me out a lot so far. The way I see it, I've already made it past the hardest part ... I OWE it to MYSELF to keep it going!!
Then come and join us man.

Been where you are and know that quitting alone can be rough. We don't quit alone here. We're a team.

Check out our welcome center and post that awesome number up with your new brothers.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gremlin on June 12, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
Hey guys. I've chewed a tin a day for the last thirteen years. I am now 8 days quit but today has been an absolute bitch. Any tips for getting through it. Or do I just need to suck it up and deal.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kdip on June 12, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: Gremlin
Hey guys. I've chewed a tin a day for the last thirteen years. I am now 8 days quit but today has been an absolute bitch. Any tips for getting through it. Or do I just need to suck it up and deal.
You will get the support and resources you need here to quit but basically you DO have to suck it up and quit for yourself and no one else.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: MrAngel16 on June 13, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm new here and hope I'm posting in the right place. I've dipped Copenhagen on and off for about 5 - 6 years. I started the addiction mostly due to being around it constantly in college baseball and after from playing in a men's league. I've had several failed attempts to quit. My last one lasted about 9 months but went right back to the can after I learned I'd be going to Las Vegas for a conference (I'm a CPA). Was supposed to be a gift from the boss but I'm deathly afraid of air planes and figured if I'm going out, I'm going out happy. Boy was that a bad decision. For the next few months, up until last week, I've had about 3 or 4 dips a week (I know, not a ton), but I was so disappointed in myself for being so weak. I don't want to do this stuff anymore and I feel like I need support. My family and friends are always here to help, but after reading the posts from you all, I feel like it would be good to talk to good people who are also former dippers.

My biggest problem now is that I'm still playing baseball and EVERYONE dips. Although I can tell that I'm not addicted to nicotine anymore, I needed that oral fixation during the game that I've become so accustomed to. Through this website, I found Jake's Mint Chew. After a week or two of dipping Jake's, I've really grown to like it and even love the taste. Wintergreen and Blackberry were my first flavors and, I've got to say, they are really tasty. I even have a Blackberry Jake's in now as I'm writing this.

All that being said, I hope it isn't too late to quit and that the damage hasn't already been done. That's my greatest fear. I'm tired of being a slave to tobacco and no longer can accept doing it. I'm taking accountability for the last 5 - 6 years as being the worst decision I've ever made. But NO MORE. I will not chew tobacco ever again. I printed out the contract from the website and keep it in my wallet. I'm telling my teammates, who many are in high school, about this website and about Jake's. I'm ashamed that I've dipped in front of them for this many years. I feel like such a bad example and don't want them to see any tobacco in my mouth ever again.

Sorry if that was a little long winded, but I just wanted to introduce myself and get some stuff off my chest. It feels good to be able to admit all of this to you all and I'm really looking forward to speaking with all of you. I have a ball game tomorrow, and the only thing that I will be chewing is Jake's or chewing gum.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Ktmac on June 13, 2015, 01:39:00 PM
I chewed 1 or more cans a day of cope long cut for 13 years. Day 5 of my quit. Did anyone else get migraines and neck pain? I know that if I have one nicotine gum a day, it helps with the migraines. Any suggestions guys?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: wastepanel on June 13, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: Ktmac
I chewed 1 or more cans a day of cope long cut for 13 years. Day 5 of my quit. Did anyone else get migraines and neck pain? I know that if I have one nicotine gum a day, it helps with the migraines. Any suggestions guys?
I know that you can't quit a drug with that same drug.

Pull off the bandaid, accept the withdrawals (they're remporary), and get along in the quit.

You can do this man.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: SamMan33 on June 13, 2015, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: Imaquiter2015
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: travisc
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
well done guys - you're in the right place!

let us know how we can help along the way. you're among friends!

chewie
Day 7 of going cold turkey! I've dipped about a can every 2 days for the last 8 years. I'm hoping this site will help me follow through! All advice and support is appreciated!
Hey Imaquiter, head over to topic/11155274/145/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11155274/145/) and post roll. This will help you stay accountable as people will be there to fight the same fight you're going through.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DWEIRICK on June 14, 2015, 10:55:00 PM
Hello everyone,

Ex 15 year dipper Cope, Skoal, Red Seal you name it! Woke up 5 days ago sick and tired of feeling like I was owned and somehow I found this site! It has been hard I will not lie, but I get on here and see 30+ year dippers making it happen everyday I find that push I need to get through. Thank You!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: anniesdaddy on June 15, 2015, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: DWEIRICK
Hello everyone,

Ex 15 year dipper Cope, Skoal, Red Seal you name it! Woke up 5 days ago sick and tired of feeling like I was owned and somehow I found this site! It has been hard I will not lie, but I get on here and see 30+ year dippers making it happen everyday I find that push I need to get through. Thank You!!!
Keep up the hard work Samurai!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gremlin on June 15, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Ktmac
I chewed 1 or more cans a day of cope long cut for 13 years. Day 5 of my quit. Did anyone else get migraines and neck pain? I know that if I have one nicotine gum a day, it helps with the migraines. Any suggestions guys?
I know that you can't quit a drug with that same drug.

Pull off the bandaid, accept the withdrawals (they're remporary), and get along in the quit.

You can do this man.

Definitely, I ran into the same symptoms. I had to rely on Excedrine Migraine and Coke for a few days. But after about three days the headaches went away for me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Rigajig on June 16, 2015, 04:02:00 AM
The migraines and neck pain you are experiencing are from tension in your muscles of mastication. Honestly the pain is not alleviated with Nicotine gum. You are either clenching or grinding your teeth and that will contribute to you headaches. Check out headacheprevenrion.com
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on June 16, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
^^^ both replies are spot on, nicotine is not the cure/treatment/fix for any ailment. Hydrate, exercise, wear a mouth guard. Stay quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on June 16, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
I audit a number of pension trusts, testing eligibility, payment, income, etc.
These guys work hard their whole lives to retire, get a good pension, and enjoy retirement.
The most depressing part is testing beneficiary eligibility and having to review death certificates.
On the death certificates, they list the cause of death and then there is also a section that asks "Did tobacco use contribute to death? Y/N"

I have to look this one up today:
Cause of death: carcinoma of the tongue
"Did tobacco use contribute to death? Y/N" Yes

https://www.google.com/search?q=carcino ... 66bih=608 (https://www.google.com/search?q=carcinoma+of+the+tongue&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI46OVg-2UxgIVCDaICh3vNw_3&biw=1366&bih=608)

STAY QUIT so you can enjoy retirement
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dmvanhoose on June 16, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
Day 9 of my quit in the books. This is my third quit of the last decade. My first 2 would have put me in the HOF both times. I really feel good about this one. I'm quitting for me, not anybody else. Now a strange question,,, I get a strange sense of relief or calmness knowing that I still have cans of my chew around. Is that strange? I'm afraid that if I throw them away, I'll notice their absence even more. Seeing them laying around makes me feel more at peace with quitting this time. Anybody else do this, or am I the only weirdo out there?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kramer on June 16, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: dmvanhoose
Day 9 of my quit in the books. This is my third quit of the last decade. My first 2 would have put me in the HOF both times. I really feel good about this one. I'm quitting for me, not anybody else. Now a strange question,,, I get a strange sense of relief or calmness knowing that I still have cans of my chew around. Is that strange? I'm afraid that if I throw them away, I'll notice their absence even more. Seeing them laying around makes me feel more at peace with quitting this time. Anybody else do this, or am I the only weirdo out there?
Welcome, noticed you posted roll too. Way to get on roll, just remember the way it works here is to post your promise not to use at the beginning of the day not at the end. And look up how to post roll so that you get used to doing it right.

Now, I suggest you flush those tins ASAP or you are in for a ration of shit here because those are known as trophy cans and trophy cans do not work. I suggest that you announce it in the September forum when you are done so that we know you did it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kramer on June 16, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
poof
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Andre the Grande on June 17, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: Gremlin
Quote from: Ktmac
I chewed 1 or more cans a day of cope long cut for 13 years. Day 5 of my quit. Did anyone else get migraines and neck pain? I know that if I have one nicotine gum a day, it helps with the migraines. Any suggestions guys?
I know that you can't quit a drug with that same drug.

Pull off the bandaid, accept the withdrawals (they're remporary), and get along in the quit.

You can do this man.

Definitely, I ran into the same symptoms. I had to rely on Excedrine Migraine and Coke for a few days. But after about three days the headaches went away for me.
I had the same thing! Headaches, soreness. Use tylonol or aleve! Not nicotine, you can do it
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: zcalvert on June 17, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Today is day 5. I've quit in the past, but it's never been this hard. I'm an old wintergreen dipper (17 years). My wife stocked me up on wintergreen lifesavers, sun flower seeds, and some smokey mountain herbal snuff. The fake dip helps during times of ritual dipping (shower, after meals, etc.) I hope all you guys/gals are fighting the good fight! It's hard, but so damn worth it. I will overcome this weakness. Stay strong.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on June 18, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: zcalvert
Today is day 5. I've quit in the past, but it's never been this hard. I'm an old wintergreen dipper (17 years). My wife stocked me up on wintergreen lifesavers, sun flower seeds, and some smokey mountain herbal snuff. The fake dip helps during times of ritual dipping (shower, after meals, etc.) I hope all you guys/gals are fighting the good fight! It's hard, but so damn worth it. I will overcome this weakness. Stay strong.
Sounds like you have an awesome wife and everything set up to deal with the oral fixation. Now it's time to read HOF speeches like mad man, exercise, and beat this disgusting habit. I'll tell you right it's going to be a fight...but it's worth every second of it. Glad to be quit with you EDD, hit me up if you want my digits.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lastaddiction on June 18, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: Andre
Quote from: Gremlin
Quote from: Ktmac
I chewed 1 or more cans a day of cope long cut for 13 years. Day 5 of my quit. Did anyone else get migraines and neck pain? I know that if I have one nicotine gum a day, it helps with the migraines. Any suggestions guys?
I know that you can't quit a drug with that same drug.

Pull off the bandaid, accept the withdrawals (they're remporary), and get along in the quit.

You can do this man.

Definitely, I ran into the same symptoms. I had to rely on Excedrine Migraine and Coke for a few days. But after about three days the headaches went away for me.
I had the same thing! Headaches, soreness. Use tylonol or aleve! Not nicotine, you can do it
You're going to have to get that shit out of your system if you want to get rid of the head aches and stiffness. I had those symptoms like crazy the first week...don't worry, they go away. I used exercise to deal with them, and tylenol.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DWEIRICK on June 19, 2015, 03:59:00 AM
10 days in and I feel awesome!! Finding this site is my saving grace. I owe all the Samurai of September my life you have kept me on the path one day at a time for that I thank you!!!!!!!

Dustin
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: PhilTHIE69 on June 19, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Don't really know where to post. I am 24 and I've been chewing since age 14. Ive been contemplating quitting for about a year now. But today is the day, idk what hit me but I woke up this morning and said fuck chew. I dont what to lose that attitude so im turning to this Site because you all have or are going through the same thing. I just hope the damage is already done. I have a lot of triggers that make me chew, working golf course maintenance, video games, and stress or if it's something shitty I always just throw a digger in. If anyone can give original tips on not chewing while gaming or when working outdoors around other chewers. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cbird65 on June 20, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: PhilTHIE69
Don't really know where to post. I am 24 and I've been chewing since age 14. Ive been contemplating quitting for about a year now. But today is the day, idk what hit me but I woke up this morning and said fuck chew. I dont what to lose that attitude so im turning to this Site because you all have or are going through the same thing. I just hope the damage is already done. I have a lot of triggers that make me chew, working golf course maintenance, video games, and stress or if it's something shitty I always just throw a digger in. If anyone can give original tips on not chewing while gaming or when working outdoors around other chewers. Thanks guys!
HERE (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10552728/1/?x=90#new) is a great place to start and head over to the WELCOME CENTER (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Rgillmatthew on June 21, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
Hello, I have been chewing for the last 5 years. Usually Cope hagen natural extra long cut. I was reading on this site when I made up my mind to quit. I spoke with my doctor for help on 6/18. He suggested I use a nicotine patch for a bit to help me step down and off. Today was my last pinch of my last can and tomorrow 6/22 I will no longer use chewing tobacco. Instead I will try using a patch. I wanted to thank everybody who posted and helped me make up my mind to finally quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Crispy on June 22, 2015, 01:42:00 AM
Just found this site.

Starting chewing as a junior in college last year. Played college ball. Figured it would be a college only thing and then after a year I'd be over it and just lay it down. That it would be just a phase. That I was above addiction. Here I am over a month removed from college ball and I still found myself pulling into gas stations even when I said I wouldn't buying the nic-bitch.

I ended up two nights ago getting wasted with a buddy at a party and spent the rest of the next day hungover so I didn't buy dip. Yesterday I was still feeling like garbage and didn't buy any dip. Early this morning now I am realizing that I don't feel like crap because I'm still hungover two days later (that would be stupid), I feel like crap because I am going through withdrawal symptoms. I haven't slept at all. I've needed to nap during the day but can't, at night the last two nights I've just laid awake trying to sleep but not being able to. My stomach has felt like crap so I haven't eaten. It's only been two now three days. I've wanted to quit, I found my window to quit it, I'm going for it. It's just, I don't know how long I can live like this. Man has to sleep and eat you know!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 22, 2015, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Crispy
I've wanted to quit, I found my window to quit it, I'm going for it. It's just, I don't know how long I can live like this.
You never know when you're going to be presented with an opportunity. You've got one my friend. What you do with it is up to you.

I don't know how long "I" can live like this (quit) either... but I can tell you that I've gone 3,256 days so far. Give it a shot... I promise you'll feel better 3,000 dip free days from now.

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Swill on June 22, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
Funny thing for me is it's only day 9 but i never had the huge withdrawls or symptoms other say are bad...I really didn't have the headaches, I could sleep fine....better actually. I don't snore....I have NO IDEA why tobacco made me snore anyway. Only issue I have is i'm eating every Efn thing in sight.

I'd rather gain 10 lbs though than dip. It's easier to lose 20 lbs than it is to quit chewing. 20 years I chewed like a freak, in the shower, in the truck, in bed...it didn't matter what I was. I even got a BJ in college with a Dip in my mouth. THat was a great conversation piece, still is, but that's over with. Dip ran my life and 9 days into this i feel great. I feel like i have my life back. Even though I have the urge's and feel like something is missing, I want to live.

I actually wondered how it would be fishing or hunting wo a dip. Well i've fished 3 days now wo it. Not a big deal. I have been chewing the hell out of Sunflower seeds. THey are a great help, problem is they make me chit like a goose.

And I'm WAY more productive at work. I'm not taking 3 dip breaks a day at 20 minutes apiece....maybe more.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Crispy on June 22, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Crispy
I've wanted to quit, I found my window to quit it, I'm going for it. It's just, I don't know how long I can live like this.
You never know when you're going to be presented with an opportunity. You've got one my friend. What you do with it is up to you.

I don't know how long "I" can live like this (quit) either... but I can tell you that I've gone 3,256 days so far. Give it a shot... I promise you'll feel better 3,000 dip free days from now.

chewie
Thanks Chewie. Day 3 has been brutal. Just keep pushing on.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on June 22, 2015, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Crispy
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Crispy
I've wanted to quit, I found my window to quit it, I'm going for it. It's just, I don't know how long I can live like this.
You never know when you're going to be presented with an opportunity. You've got one my friend. What you do with it is up to you.

I don't know how long "I" can live like this (quit) either... but I can tell you that I've gone 3,256 days so far. Give it a shot... I promise you'll feel better 3,000 dip free days from now.

chewie
Thanks Chewie. Day 3 has been brutal. Just keep pushing on.
You can do this man.

I'm nothing special. If I can, you can.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Crispy on June 23, 2015, 01:08:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: Crispy
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Crispy
I've wanted to quit, I found my window to quit it, I'm going for it. It's just, I don't know how long I can live like this.
You never know when you're going to be presented with an opportunity. You've got one my friend. What you do with it is up to you.

I don't know how long "I" can live like this (quit) either... but I can tell you that I've gone 3,256 days so far. Give it a shot... I promise you'll feel better 3,000 dip free days from now.

chewie
Thanks Chewie. Day 3 has been brutal. Just keep pushing on.
You can do this man.

I'm nothing special. If I can, you can.

Thank you Nolaq for your kind words!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Rgillmatthew on June 25, 2015, 06:08:00 AM
Hey I posted a few days ago saying how I decided to quit using nicotine patches. Well I used a patch on Monday but that was it I haven't used a patch or had a dip since Tuesday. Two things I noticed. One I'm eating more. Two I'm drinking coffee like crazy. Is this normal for quitting chew?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 25, 2015, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: Rgillmatthew
Hey I posted a few days ago saying how I decided to quit using nicotine patches. Well I used a patch on Monday but that was it I haven't used a patch or had a dip since Tuesday. Two things I noticed. One I'm eating more. Two I'm drinking coffee like crazy. Is this normal for quitting chew?
Eating more is definitely a common "side effect".

Coffee is too, but be careful. Nicotine acts as a natural "blocker" for caffeine so if you're drinking the same amount or more than you were, it's going to feel like a SHIT TON more to your body.

http://www.killthecan.org/additional-re ... teraction/ (http://www.killthecan.org/additional-resources/the-caffeine-nicotine-interaction/)

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: eruggles52 on June 26, 2015, 03:46:00 AM
decided today was the day. I've had a "sore" in my mouth for a week or so. no color, no pain, it was just there. I was picking at it tonight while enjoying the new movie Ted two(a must see) of course I had a nice redseal in. after I picked at it it became irritated and swollen. scared the shit out of me. I decided it's time. boy did I pick a hell of a time too, as I have a three hour drive tomorrow morning followed by umpiring ten baseball games in two days. I'm going to go to the dentist to get this checked out when I can find a dentist. I'm hoping it's nothing more than a little ulcer or mark from biting myself that God is scaring me with. I'd like to get this right the first time as I've never actually tried to quit before, only cut back. was at a can of redseal a day for about 2 years before that I dipped regularly for about 5 years now. it's time before it gets really bad. of course, looking on here I feel like somewhat of a pussy due to what yall have gone through but I'm hoping you can help a young, freaked out, 21 year old college football player out. I mean, it's 345am. I need to leave this house to drive 180 miles in 4 hours. if that doesn't say freaked out i don't know what does.

I'm going to pick up a can of herbal snuff tomorrow along with sunflower seeds and a shit ton of gum, does that sound like a starters package?

thank you guys
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: tzwatts on June 27, 2015, 08:48:00 AM
I'm trying bacc off, helping me loads, thought i'd share http://dipstop.uk.nu (http://dipstop.uk.nu)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dkham87 on June 27, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: eruggles52
decided today was the day. I've had a "sore" in my mouth for a week or so. no color, no pain, it was just there. I was picking at it tonight while enjoying the new movie Ted two(a must see) of course I had a nice redseal in. after I picked at it it became irritated and swollen. scared the shit out of me. I decided it's time. boy did I pick a hell of a time too, as I have a three hour drive tomorrow morning followed by umpiring ten baseball games in two days. I'm going to go to the dentist to get this checked out when I can find a dentist. I'm hoping it's nothing more than a little ulcer or mark from biting myself that God is scaring me with. I'd like to get this right the first time as I've never actually tried to quit before, only cut back. was at a can of redseal a day for about 2 years before that I dipped regularly for about 5 years now. it's time before it gets really bad. of course, looking on here I feel like somewhat of a pussy due to what yall have gone through but I'm hoping you can help a young, freaked out, 21 year old college football player out. I mean, it's 345am. I need to leave this house to drive 180 miles in 4 hours. if that doesn't say freaked out i don't know what does.

I'm going to pick up a can of herbal snuff tomorrow along with sunflower seeds and a shit ton of gum, does that sound like a starters package?

thank you guys
Hey man I'm with you. I started my quit a few days ago with a 2 month old baby, a wife who just got her wisdom teeth out, and a mother-in-law whose in town for 3 weeks! Let me tell you there's never an easy time to quit but the best time is now! Join me in the October quit group and post roll now! Then do it again before you leave for your trip in the am. If your serious about quitting I'm serious about helping you out as well as everyone else here on this sight.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: spankymagee on June 28, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
I chewed about 2 tins a week from age 19 thru 29. Quit for 2 years and started back at age 31, resuming the 2 tins a week habit thru present day (age 34).

About 6 months ago, I started experiencing several symptoms. Difficulty swallowing, sore throat that waxed and waned, and significant irritation and pain on the left side of my chin and throat. The pain in the chin and throat would also wax and wane, and was sensitive to the touch.

I have seen the dentist and was clear of mouth cancer. I have gone to three ENTs who have said that I do not have cancer. I received a MRI on the neck and throat 3 months ago that was clear. The three ENTs all said I either had acid reflux, a combination of pulled muscles, or both.

Over the past 6 months, I have probably chewed once a week on average, at a half a tin a setting. After chewing, the pain does tend to get worse for a few days before subsiding.

The anxiety is killing me. It's as if I can't convince myself that even though the doctors have cleared me, that they arent missing something.

I am trying to "re quit" but obviously it is a difficult habit to unlearn, though I am committed.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 29, 2015, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: spankymagee
I chewed about 2 tins a week from age 19 thru 29. Quit for 2 years and started back at age 31, resuming the 2 tins a week habit thru present day (age 34).

About 6 months ago, I started experiencing several symptoms. Difficulty swallowing, sore throat that waxed and waned, and significant irritation and pain on the left side of my chin and throat. The pain in the chin and throat would also wax and wane, and was sensitive to the touch.

I have seen the dentist and was clear of mouth cancer. I have gone to three ENTs who have said that I do not have cancer. I received a MRI on the neck and throat 3 months ago that was clear. The three ENTs all said I either had acid reflux, a combination of pulled muscles, or both.

Over the past 6 months, I have probably chewed once a week on average, at a half a tin a setting. After chewing, the pain does tend to get worse for a few days before subsiding.

The anxiety is killing me. It's as if I can't convince myself that even though the doctors have cleared me, that they arent missing something.

I am trying to "re quit" but obviously it is a difficult habit to unlearn, though I am committed.
Believe it or not, you're on the right track.

I was in a very similar situation to you. My acid reflux actually got WAY worse after I quit... for a while. Then it went away completely.

My anxiety was also off the chart too. Took myself to the ER twice because I thought I was having a heart attack... just anxiety.

I know it's tough to hear... but hang in there. Also, I couldn't QUITE tell from your note, but it sounds like you're still chewing "every now and then"? STOP. You can't truly start to heal as long as you're reintroducing the drug into your system.

How can we help?

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: spankymagee on June 29, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
For the past 7 months or so, I've been 6 days off, 1 day on, rinse and repeat.

I had an appointment with the ENT today. He did a scope, reviewed my MRI. Everything was good. This has always been license for "okay, you are free to dip for 6 more months" in the past.

I feel my issue is unique. Maybe it isn't. I actually really LOVE dipping. I hear people say they want to quit smoking, it makes them feel gross, makes them smell bad, etc. But for me, the only reason I want to quit is heath reasons. All my associations with chew are positive.

But here I am. Contributing.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on June 29, 2015, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: spankymagee
For the past 7 months or so, I've been 6 days off, 1 day on, rinse and repeat.

I had an appointment with the ENT today. He did a scope, reviewed my MRI. Everything was good. This has always been license for "okay, you are free to dip for 6 more months" in the past.

I feel my issue is unique. Maybe it isn't. I actually really LOVE dipping. I hear people say they want to quit smoking, it makes them feel gross, makes them smell bad, etc. But for me, the only reason I want to quit is heath reasons. All my associations with chew are positive.

But here I am. Contributing.
I hate chew, the wasted time, money and energy. I wish I could get back all the sleepless nights convincing myself I have mouth or throat cancer.

Sounds like you don't want to quit and that even if you tried you are a planned cave. Maybe keep spinning the cancer revolver and see what happens. 'fuz'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on June 29, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: spankymagee
I feel my issue is unique. Maybe it isn't. I actually really LOVE dipping. I hear people say they want to quit smoking, it makes them feel gross, makes them smell bad, etc. But for me, the only reason I want to quit is heath reasons. All my associations with chew are positive.
Nope... you're not unique. Not even a little bit.

I LOVED dipping. Loved everything about it.

And then I realized that was addict speak. You will too.

Take it one day at a time and you'll get there...

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: stevesweeney1313 on June 30, 2015, 03:24:00 PM
Day 5 of the rest of my life. So like many I loved it, all 35 years worth. My son is now the age I was when it all started 13. that first can of sweet smelling hawkin. then copenhagen at some point in time. I did this, because nothing should have a hold over my mind and body like this substance.
do I miss it, hell yes i do. Do I want it, no way. Im not giving in.

did anyone else have anger issues when they started? I feel, eh aggressive, anger easy I think.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: stevesweeney1313 on June 30, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
another thing Ive noticed is nobody around you will get how difficult this battle is. for them its just another day with you in it, except maybe your bitchy. I am completely cold turkey on this. just me and a couple packs of mentos sugar free gum.
every 24 hrs is a major accomplishment and Im thankfull for it
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: slowgo on June 30, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Idaho, it is the addiction talking. I had quit once for 3 years. I thought I could handle one dip. I was wrong. I would buy a can and take a dip and throw it away. Crazy. I started dipping again. Terrible mistake. 14 years later and I am at Day 2 now and I am in the withdrawal fog. Cold Turkey. Hot flash every once in a while. Scary seeing the poison come out. This is no fun. But I am tired of being a slave to a tin. Just trying to win one day at a time! Thanks for all of the posts.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: slowgo on June 30, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
New here. What is roll call etc?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on June 30, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: slowgo
New here. What is roll call etc?
Welcome aboard!
First check out the welcome center:
forum/55560/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)
This is your quit group:
topic/11203031/1/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/1/)

We post roll every day in our quit groups, it is the corner piece of the site, our promise to ourselves and quit brothers to not use nicotine for one day.

See you on roll!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on July 01, 2015, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: stevesweeney1313
another thing Ive noticed is nobody around you will get how difficult this battle is. for them its just another day with you in it, except maybe your bitchy. I am completely cold turkey on this. just me and a couple packs of mentos sugar free gum.
every 24 hrs is a major accomplishment and Im thankfull for it
This place is so much more than a post or two. I highly encourage you to get involved in your Quit group here. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/3/?x=90#new)

Stick around. Get involved. This place works.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cjdeisel on July 01, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
today im gonna quit. ive been trying for the past six months. im quitting because i want a future i dont want to hide it from my parents, sisters, girlfriend. ive tried everything besides support. I want to wake up a year from now healthy happy worry free and be grateful for the day. Im young and every time i finish a lip i worry about getting the big C or other problems. honestly i thought i could just quit but at work and school im around it constantly so im worried. i keep relapsing. i told myself i could stop anytime i want and kept moving the day i would stop further and further away. i graduate in 2016 from college and i want to be dip free. so i packed my last lip today im throwing out my tins tomorrow morning. I pray this is the last time. any suggestions please contact me. any words of wisdom contact me. heres to a new page in my book.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on July 02, 2015, 07:02:00 AM
Quote from: cjdeisel
today im gonna quit. ive been trying for the past six months. im quitting because i want a future i dont want to hide it from my parents, sisters, girlfriend. ive tried everything besides support. I want to wake up a year from now healthy happy worry free and be grateful for the day. Im young and every time i finish a lip i worry about getting the big C or other problems. honestly i thought i could just quit but at work and school im around it constantly so im worried. i keep relapsing. i told myself i could stop anytime i want and kept moving the day i would stop further and further away. i graduate in 2016 from college and i want to be dip free. so i packed my last lip today im throwing out my tins tomorrow morning. I pray this is the last time. any suggestions please contact me. any words of wisdom contact me. heres to a new page in my book.
Welcome Deisel. I admire you for taking this on at your age. I dipped for almost 30 years, telling myself, "I'll quit when ______ ." Thirty years of that addict speak.

Do this. You won't regret it. Do it now, and live a life of freedom from addiction. You have the right markers, all you need to do is post your promise, and you will not believe the support you get from this site, and it's members.

We all have one thing in common: NONE of us were successful until we found KTC. You are not here by accident.

Go here (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11155274/53/?x=90#new). This is your group of fellow Quitters. Post your promise and let's crush this!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 02, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: Nolaq
Quote from: cjdeisel
today im gonna quit. ive been trying for the past six months. im quitting because i want a future i dont want to hide it from my parents, sisters, girlfriend. ive tried everything besides support. I want to wake up a year from now healthy happy worry free and be grateful for the day. Im young and every time i finish a lip i worry about getting the big C or other problems. honestly i thought i could just quit but at work and school im around it constantly so im worried. i keep relapsing. i told myself i could stop anytime i want and kept moving the day i would stop further and further away. i graduate in 2016 from college and i want to be dip free. so i packed my last lip today im throwing out my tins tomorrow morning. I pray this is the last time. any suggestions please contact me. any words of wisdom contact me. heres to a new page in my book.
Welcome Deisel. I admire you for taking this on at your age. I dipped for almost 30 years, telling myself, "I'll quit when ______ ." Thirty years of that addict speak.

Do this. You won't regret it. Do it now, and live a life of freedom from addiction. You have the right markers, all you need to do is post your promise, and you will not believe the support you get from this site, and it's members.

We all have one thing in common: NONE of us were successful until we found KTC. You are not here by accident.

Go here (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11155274/53/?x=90#new). This is your group of fellow Quitters. Post your promise and let's crush this!
"I've tried everything besides support."

You've stumbled across the motherload my friend. Welcome!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigcat on July 02, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
When you get the sore throat what is it like, strep or like a sharp pain?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G on July 02, 2015, 04:30:00 PM
Interesting.

http://www.thinkinghumanity.com/2015/04 ... ng-up.html (http://www.thinkinghumanity.com/2015/04/this-is-what-7-smoker-vs-non-smoker-identical-twins-look-like-after-years-of-lighting-up.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Fastball35 on July 05, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
Couldn't really find an intro page so I thought I'd just post here. I've visited KTC before maybe a couple months ago. I had never seriously looked into quitting till the past couple weeks and finally decided to make a legitimate effort last week. June 28th was my last dip and I never want to do it again.
I started dipping casually when I was a sophomore in high school but it was never a serious habit. I played baseball and still do professionally. So needless today dip is a pretty big influence in my life. I'm around it literally every day. I started dipping seriously at the beginning of college and it got its worst this past year as it was my first in professional baseball. Been dipping almost a can a day for about 10 months now
. Long bus rides, countless hours in hotels, sitting in dugouts game after game(I'm a starting pitcher so I literally only play once a week). Dipping became way to prevalent in my life be I realized that and I'm ready to quit forever.
I'm 22 and have always realized I needed to quit at some point and never planned on dipping my whole life. But it was time to actually take action on that notion. I feel like it's pretty common that after you quit you begin to think you have a bunch of problems from the dipping. I actually have great oral hygiene and always have taken care of my teeth. But of course I get a tiny bump on my tongue or something and immediately think I have cancer. It's actually bothering me a lot but I feel like it's part of the nicotine withdrawal and my head just being off balance. Paranoid anxious etc. just felt like this could be a good place to talk to others who are in the same situation. I appreciate anyone who reads and replies.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 06, 2015, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Fastball35
Couldn't really find an intro page so I thought I'd just post here. I've visited KTC before maybe a couple months ago. I had never seriously looked into quitting till the past couple weeks and finally decided to make a legitimate effort last week. June 28th was my last dip and I never want to do it again.
I started dipping casually when I was a sophomore in high school but it was never a serious habit. I played baseball and still do professionally. So needless today dip is a pretty big influence in my life. I'm around it literally every day. I started dipping seriously at the beginning of college and it got its worst this past year as it was my first in professional baseball. Been dipping almost a can a day for about 10 months now
. Long bus rides, countless hours in hotels, sitting in dugouts game after game(I'm a starting pitcher so I literally only play once a week). Dipping became way to prevalent in my life be I realized that and I'm ready to quit forever.
I'm 22 and have always realized I needed to quit at some point and never planned on dipping my whole life. But it was time to actually take action on that notion. I feel like it's pretty common that after you quit you begin to think you have a bunch of problems from the dipping. I actually have great oral hygiene and always have taken care of my teeth. But of course I get a tiny bump on my tongue or something and immediately think I have cancer. It's actually bothering me a lot but I feel like it's part of the nicotine withdrawal and my head just being off balance. Paranoid anxious etc. just felt like this could be a good place to talk to others who are in the same situation. I appreciate anyone who reads and replies.
Welcome Fastball!

Head on over to October 2015 - topic/11203031/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/) That's your "home group" so to speak where folks are at the same stage of their quits as you are. As for your symptoms... 100% normal. I'm one of the biggest hypochondriacs you'll ever meet and I had those exact same feelings. The bumps on your tongue, the fog, etc. are all a part of quitting.

Let us know how we can help!
Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ccemsenichols on July 06, 2015, 08:57:00 AM
New member, on my 3rd day with no nicotine. The first two were bad but nothing like today. And the wife doesn't understand it fully. I am losing my mind! Can I do this?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 06, 2015, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: ccemsenichols
New member, on my 3rd day with no nicotine. The first two were bad but nothing like today. And the wife doesn't understand it fully. I am losing my mind! Can I do this?
abso-fucking-lootely yes... you CAN do this.

Welcome aboard - you're among friends that DO get it!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ccemsenichols on July 06, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Thanks Chewie. I'm committed but apparently this is gonna continue for at least two more weeks. Thanks for all the support you guys show on this site.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ccemsenichols on July 06, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
OMG! I'm so fucking mad right now. For no reason at all. And so damn tired. Wtf. Makes you want a dip just once. But I know I can't. But I swear I wanna just cuss some mother fuckers out! Can't do that tho. Only in here. Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: emc4 on July 06, 2015, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: ccemsenichols
OMG! I'm so fucking mad right now. For no reason at all. And so damn tired. Wtf. Makes you want a dip just once. But I know I can't. But I swear I wanna just cuss some mother fuckers out! Can't do that tho. Only in here. Thanks
CC - First thing, get over to your quit group and post roll which is your daily promise to not use nicotine in any form today. You will find your quit brothers there who are at a similar stage as you where you can vent/rant as much as you want. October 2015 quit group - topic/11203031/61/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/61/#new)

Secondly, don't ever give in...as the days tick away of being nic free you will start feeling like a winner...you've made the best decision you could ever make and I promise as time goes on you'll only wish you made this decision much sooner. Be a f*n winner and win each day. Don't look back...

Use this forum and specifically your quit group to get involved. Not only will it help your quit but you will help others. Proud to quit with you today! emc4 - day 122
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Jesseg on July 06, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
I stopped dipping last Wednesday but I've been puffing an e CIG my mouth hurts and I'm having stomach cramps any advice?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gonzomedic on July 07, 2015, 05:16:00 AM
Quote from: Jesseg
I stopped dipping last Wednesday but I've been puffing an e CIG my mouth hurts and I'm having stomach cramps any advice?
Quit!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QuitterKev on July 07, 2015, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: emc4
Quote from: ccemsenichols
OMG! I'm so fucking mad right now. For no reason at all. And so damn tired. Wtf. Makes you want a dip just once. But I know I can't. But I swear I wanna just cuss some mother fuckers out! Can't do that tho. Only in here. Thanks
CC - First thing, get over to your quit group and post roll which is your daily promise to not use nicotine in any form today. You will find your quit brothers there who are at a similar stage as you where you can vent/rant as much as you want. October 2015 quit group - topic/11203031/61/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/61/#new)

Secondly, don't ever give in...as the days tick away of being nic free you will start feeling like a winner...you've made the best decision you could ever make and I promise as time goes on you'll only wish you made this decision much sooner. Be a f*n winner and win each day. Don't look back...

Use this forum and specifically your quit group to get involved. Not only will it help your quit but you will help others. Proud to quit with you today! emc4 - day 122
Great advice!! it is not better dipping!! You were just deceived, as was I, into thinking that Nic was the help you needed. Breath deep and quit on my friend!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 07, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
24,000 Members Marching Toward Independence
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/07/2400 ... ependence/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/07/24000-members-marching-toward-independence/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on July 07, 2015, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: gonzomedic
Quote from: Jesseg
I stopped dipping last Wednesday but I've been puffing an e CIG my mouth hurts and I'm having stomach cramps any advice?
Quit!
^^^ E-cigs and nic gum are still delivering nicotine to your system, they have been shown to cause throat, mouth and stomach problems.
You are addicted to nicotine! Quit all forms and join us in FREEDOM!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigcat on July 07, 2015, 04:45:00 PM
Hey guys looking for a little help how long did your mouth hurt after you kicked the habit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cody S on July 07, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
Just Found this website this gave me a lot of motivation to quit after 4 years of use quite for 3 months then started again now on day 15 of my second quit this one is for good. Started in the military at age 20. 25 now I have a little one I have to be around to watch grow up shes my life my 5 year old little girl and my wife that is my reasons.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on July 07, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Quote from: Cody
Just Found this website this gave me a lot of motivation to quit after 4 years of use quite for 3 months then started again now on day 15 of my second quit this one is for good. Started in the military at age 20. 25 now I have a little one I have to be around to watch grow up shes my life my 5 year old little girl and my wife that is my reasons.
Great work Cody and thank you for your service.
Post roll and read up and never go back. Also, there is also some military forums on the site, worth checking out and staying quit!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on July 07, 2015, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: Bigcat
Hey guys looking for a little help how long did your mouth hurt after you kicked the habit.
Bigcat,
Everyone is different, it takes a while for your mouth to heal and also to adjust to seeds, candy, gum and fake chew.
Try listerine or salt and water or hydrogen peroxide (water down a tad) to swish with, that helped a lot for me.
And lastly, you are in the hyper aware mode, worrying about any damage you may have caused, it took me almost a year to worry less.
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sym ... -dip-chew/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/)
The best thing you can do is, stay quit and schedule a dentist appt.
Quit on brother
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigcat on July 07, 2015, 09:51:00 PM
Thanks Spuds I am hyper aware my doc doesn't seem to think anything is going on but I am a tad paranoid.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on July 09, 2015, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: Bigcat
Thanks Spuds I am hyper aware my doc doesn't seem to think anything is going on but I am a tad paranoid.
We're all paranoid to a degree. We all know the truth - we all poisoned ourselves for however many years, and we all, deep down inside, believe that one day, they doc is going to sit us down and tell us we have the be C.

I've been Quit for over 5 years, and I am just waiting for that day. I don't let it run my life, though. Until that day comes, I'm living every minute of what I have left, nic free. I have a wife, and three daughters. I spend most of my time with them, trying to make every day, event, moment count with them. It's not depressing at all. In fact, its very rewarding.

I guess what I'm trying to tell you Cat, is focus on what is happening now. Like your Quit. Your body is going to continue to throw a temper tantrum because you a refusing to feed nicotine into it. Ignore it. The sore throat, sore jaw, blurry vision, headaches, all of it. They are just signs of recovery.

Finally, if you have been honest with your doc, and he's looking for signs of cancer and sees none. Take his word as a source of comfort. He knows what he's looking for. Cancer is a bitch, but she doesn't like to stay silent. You'd know it if you had it.

Stay strong, Cat.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: britt on July 12, 2015, 11:17:00 PM
Quit 7 days ago. Experiencing everything I've read about on here. But the one thing I haven't seen anything about is a tingling/numbness kind of feeling. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cjoy on July 13, 2015, 01:01:00 PM
Hey...... quit 7 days ago. Happy to finally do it but my brain is playing all kinds of tricks on me. Where do I find my quit group?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 13, 2015, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: cjoy
Hey...... quit 7 days ago. Happy to finally do it but my brain is playing all kinds of tricks on me. Where do I find my quit group?
Welcome aboard cjoy!

If you're on day 7, you're a part of the October 2015 HOF class - topic/11203031/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/)

Head on over and introduce yourself.

Let us know how we can help!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cjoy on July 14, 2015, 08:47:00 AM
My wife sent me this last night. I may just make a cocktail with all of them.


   Marshmallow – take the tea or capsules to help deal with nicotine cravings. For capsules, take 2 or 3 capsules three times per day with your meals. Gradually cut back on the dose. For tea, take 2 or 3 times per day as needed. Do not take it for more than two weeks at a time. Marshmallow helps flush out toxins and relieve cravings.
   St. John's wort – take 2 capsules of 450 mg each twice a day to help relieve tobacco cravings and anxiety.
   Ginseng – this herb has been proven to prevent the nicotine-induced release of dopamine in the brain. It will also help with coping with stress.
   Valerian – this herb helps the brain ease off your addiction by relieving anxiety. Do not take for longer than eight weeks at a time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: sharky2675 on July 16, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
Holy crap I must have every symptom possible and its only day 4 so far. Chills on and off, hot flashes(head and face burning up), major headache, constant dry mouth, jaw is killing me, back hurts, upset stomach all day, no appetite, no energy, sweating like crazy at night, chest congestion and coughing all day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 17, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: sharky2675
Holy crap I must have every symptom possible and its only day 4 so far. Chills on and off, hot flashes(head and face burning up), major headache, constant dry mouth, jaw is killing me, back hurts, upset stomach all day, no appetite, no energy, sweating like crazy at night, chest congestion and coughing all day.
Believe it or not, you're right on track. I was right there too. All of those symptoms will fade into glorious freedom.

Hang in there my man!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: AngryNickCage on July 22, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
This is the first day where I haven't wanted to punch anyone in the face...so far
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 22, 2015, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: AngryNickCage
This is the first day where I haven't wanted to punch anyone in the face...so far
#progress
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bryan127 on July 22, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: AngryNickCage
This is the first day where I haven't wanted to punch anyone in the face...so far
#progress
Hey has anyone experience mood swings and or depression for the earlier days in their quit? Or am I the only one ? 'bang head'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on July 22, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Bryan127
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: AngryNickCage
This is the first day where I haven't wanted to punch anyone in the face...so far
#progress
Hey has anyone experience mood swings and or depression for the earlier days in their quit? Or am I the only one ? 'bang head'
You're definitely not the only one.

I became extremely moody after I quit, which is odd for me because I'm the type of guy that doesn't show emotion in the first place.

As for the depression, that is more than likely just your addict mind feeling down because you don't have that poison anymore. You could also be experiencing the "fog", which is basically a funk you will go through from time to time during your quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dirtyjungle on July 22, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Needs some help I used this site years ago and it helped me quit. But yes I started again for some reason but now I have to quit my son (6 years old) yells at me every time he see' s me put in a dip. My biggest issue is when get mad and when I am driving what is the best ways to get passed those points in the process of stopping. I have got to stop just need to get my process down before I try this again.

I hope I posted in the right place.

Thanks and send me so ideas
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Crutchkn on July 22, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
I quit dipping yesterday...sore on my tongue scared me from doing it anymore. My kids were also motivation to quit. I only crave and want dips at night. It's been a constant thing for me for 8 years. What are some good dip alternatives out there? I have the herbal smokey mountain stuff and hate it..have some stuff called hooch coming in the mail. Dying for that oral fixation of a dip in my mouth. Just need something that feels like the real thing..
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 23, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: dirtyjungle
Needs some help I used this site years ago and it helped me quit. But yes I started again for some reason but now I have to quit my son (6 years old) yells at me every time he see' s me put in a dip. My biggest issue is when get mad and when I am driving what is the best ways to get passed those points in the process of stopping. I have got to stop just need to get my process down before I try this again.

I hope I posted in the right place.

Thanks and send me so ideas
Welcome (back) dirty.

If you're looking for an alternative there are several good ones including gum, seeds, fake dip, etc.

You're now a part of the October 2015 HOF group: topic/11203031/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/)

Head over, introduce yourself, learn from your past mistakes and make this one stick.

Let us know how we can help - you're not alone.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 23, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Crutchkn
I quit dipping yesterday...sore on my tongue scared me from doing it anymore. My kids were also motivation to quit. I only crave and want dips at night. It's been a constant thing for me for 8 years. What are some good dip alternatives out there? I have the herbal smokey mountain stuff and hate it..have some stuff called hooch coming in the mail. Dying for that oral fixation of a dip in my mouth. Just need something that feels like the real thing..
There are several great fake dips out there. Many (myself included) like SMC but many (like you) do not. It really comes down to personal preference.

We've got a slew of reviews here: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/)

Congrats on a great start!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DWEIRICK on July 24, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
So I posted this in my Group over at September, but I think I should add it here as well:

I have to tell all of you this story quick.... So I like most of you have an addictive personality not only am I addicted to nicotine, but I'm also a "functioning alcoholic" what I mean by this is I have a full time job, a part time job, a family, the fire department and my dear friend booze. I have off every other Wednesday to Friday and normally I would get lit at least one of those night's. I'm off this week so guess what I would normally be doing.... I was at the store today to get diaper's, wipes etc, but since I have completely changed my lifestyle since I joined KTC I bought a case of water instead of my normal booze run... Man this place has a huge effect on me and not just my nicotine abuse....I freaking love it here!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 24, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: DWEIRICK
So I posted this in my Group over at September, but I think I should add it here as well:

I have to tell all of you this story quick.... So I like most of you have an addictive personality not only am I addicted to nicotine, but I'm also a "functioning alcoholic" what I mean by this is I have a full time job, a part time job, a family, the fire department and my dear friend booze. I have off every other Wednesday to Friday and normally I would get lit at least one of those night's. I'm off this week so guess what I would normally be doing.... I was at the store today to get diaper's, wipes etc, but since I have completely changed my lifestyle since I joined KTC I bought a case of water instead of my normal booze run... Man this place has a huge effect on me and not just my nicotine abuse....I freaking love it here!!!!
'clap'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 24, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
is there anyone that can help me out. Im on my 2nd day quit and i guess its just my anxiety kicking in, but did any of yall have white on the cheek that you had your snuff against? been wanting to go by the Dr to re assure me but have been busy busy busy at work. hopefully will be able to go next week. just wanna little reassuring till i can get to dr.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lenny007 on July 24, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
I just joined today. After 5 years of being done with the can I started up again. About 6 months ago I have found myself seriously stressed. With all this stress I resorted back to the can. 6 months later I have "quit" every month only to start back. I so sick of doing that and I'm seriously don't know why I'm doing it other than just to do it. I need some words of wisdom from someone and I want to quit for good, forever. Please reply!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 24, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Lenny007
I just joined today. After 5 years of being done with the can I started up again. About 6 months ago I have found myself seriously stressed. With all this stress I resorted back to the can. 6 months later I have "quit" every month only to start back. I so sick of doing that and I'm seriously don't know why I'm doing it other than just to do it. I need some words of wisdom from someone and I want to quit for good, forever. Please reply!
welcome! I have done many mini quits and the anxiety combined with stress always pulled me back. Im also new to this group and starting my quit too. Lets do this together lets not let snuff or any other kind of nicotine control our lives. lets get in control of ourselves and live how we need and should.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lenny007 on July 24, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: Lenny007
I just joined today. After 5 years of being done with the can I started up again. About 6 months ago I have found myself seriously stressed. With all this stress I resorted back to the can. 6 months later I have "quit" every month only to start back. I so sick of doing that and I'm seriously don't know why I'm doing it other than just to do it. I need some words of wisdom from someone and I want to quit for good, forever. Please reply!
Yes, Let's stop. I just flushed it down the toilet and I'm committed quitting. Thank you for the support! Do it together!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 24, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: Lenny007
Quote from: Lenny007
I just joined today. After 5 years of being done with the can I started up again. About 6 months ago I have found myself seriously stressed. With all this stress I resorted back to the can. 6 months later I have "quit" every month only to start back. I so sick of doing that and I'm seriously don't know why I'm doing it other than just to do it. I need some words of wisdom from someone and I want to quit for good, forever. Please reply!
Yes, Let's stop. I just flushed it down the toilet and I'm committed quitting. Thank you for the support! Do it together!
we got this! glad you flushed that junk! I did the same! had my father in law pick me up a roll the other day when he went to Louisiana for work since its much cheaper there than here in TX. he dropped it off to me i opened it up took a dip sat on the couch and wondered to myself what in the hell am i doing at that moment i spit the one out of my mouth and threw every can away. NO REGRETS its now or never.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on July 25, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: Lenny007
Quote from: Lenny007
I just joined today. After 5 years of being done with the can I started up again. About 6 months ago I have found myself seriously stressed. With all this stress I resorted back to the can. 6 months later I have "quit" every month only to start back. I so sick of doing that and I'm seriously don't know why I'm doing it other than just to do it. I need some words of wisdom from someone and I want to quit for good, forever. Please reply!
Yes, Let's stop. I just flushed it down the toilet and I'm committed quitting. Thank you for the support! Do it together!
we got this! glad you flushed that junk! I did the same! had my father in law pick me up a roll the other day when he went to Louisiana for work since its much cheaper there than here in TX. he dropped it off to me i opened it up took a dip sat on the couch and wondered to myself what in the hell am i doing at that moment i spit the one out of my mouth and threw every can away. NO REGRETS its now or never.
Lenny - you've been a "stopper" in the past... time to be a "quitter"

http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... r-quitter/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/the-difference-between-stopper-quitter/)

You're in the right place... you CAN do this. Proud to be QUIT with you today!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chipper10 on July 25, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
is there anyone that can help me out. Im on my 2nd day quit and i guess its just my anxiety kicking in, but did any of yall have white on the cheek that you had your snuff against? been wanting to go by the Dr to re assure me but have been busy busy busy at work. hopefully will be able to go next week. just wanna little reassuring till i can get to dr.
Yea, inside of my cheek looked like white cube steak! Im on day 20 and it looks way better but not completely healed. I think they call it chemical burn.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 26, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: chipper10
Quote from: saltydawg
is there anyone that can help me out. Im on my 2nd day quit and i guess its just my anxiety kicking in, but did any of yall have white on the cheek that you had your snuff against? been wanting to go by the Dr to re assure me but have been busy busy busy at work. hopefully will be able to go next week. just wanna little reassuring till i can get to dr.
Yea, inside of my cheek looked like white cube steak! Im on day 20 and it looks way better but not completely healed. I think they call it chemical burn.
Thanks chipper I knew it was nothing to really worry about. This quitting has me worrying about more and more lol.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mancave on July 27, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
Hello fellow quitters, I am on day 4 and still in a fog. I am sitting at work hanging on for dear life, Im feeling weak but will not give in. Just needed to post this for accountability.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on July 27, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: Mancave
Hello fellow quitters, I am on day 4 and still in a fog. I am sitting at work hanging on for dear life, Im feeling weak but will not give in. Just needed to post this for accountability.
Grab a hold and buckle up sweetheart! You are WINNING, but it's a bumpy damned ride!

You can DO this!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mancave on July 27, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
Question, is it wrong to want to rip the face off of every co-worker and wear it around the office like a mask? Just kidding of course, but i have to say i am very irritable and need to scream Fuck U Nic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Day 5 and still alive . cravings coming in fairly hard at times but i just grab a jolly rancher and continue on with my day. I have definitely been a little irritable at times but i informed the wife and everyone i work with already that i am quitting so they understand for the most part. While I'm at work is when i get my worst cravings but every night i have been able to get out of the shower look myself in the mirror and say that's right nicotine i made you my bitch today and tomorrow you don't stand a chance either.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mancave on July 27, 2015, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Day 5 and still alive . cravings coming in fairly hard at times but i just grab a jolly rancher and continue on with my day. I have definitely been a little irritable at times but i informed the wife and everyone i work with already that i am quitting so they understand for the most part. While I'm at work is when i get my worst cravings but every night i have been able to get out of the shower look myself in the mirror and say that's right nicotine i made you my bitch today and tomorrow you don't stand a chance either.
Love it man! Its been 26 years since I have been able to say that and I am looking forward to doing so tonight!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 27, 2015, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: Mancave
Quote from: saltydawg
Day 5 and still alive . cravings coming in fairly hard at times but i just grab a jolly rancher and continue on with my day. I have definitely been a little irritable at times but i informed the wife and everyone i work with already that i am quitting so they understand for the most part. While I'm at work is when i get my worst cravings but every night i have been able to get out of the shower look myself in the mirror and say that's right nicotine i made you my bitch today and tomorrow you don't stand a chance either.
Love it man! Its been 26 years since I have been able to say that and I am looking forward to doing so tonight!
It really is a great feeling of achievement for that day and something to look forward to. Main thing to remember is stay busy, do it one day at a time, and never let your guard down. lets do this quit together!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lenny007 on July 27, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: Mancave
Quote from: saltydawg
Day 5 and still alive . cravings coming in fairly hard at times but i just grab a jolly rancher and continue on with my day. I have definitely been a little irritable at times but i informed the wife and everyone i work with already that i am quitting so they understand for the most part. While I'm at work is when i get my worst cravings but every night i have been able to get out of the shower look myself in the mirror and say that's right nicotine i made you my bitch today and tomorrow you don't stand a chance either.
Love it man! Its been 26 years since I have been able to say that and I am looking forward to doing so tonight!
It really is a great feeling of achievement for that day and something to look forward to. Main thing to remember is stay busy, do it one day at a time, and never let your guard down. lets do this quit together!
This morning I woke reaching for the can. It wasn't there. I remembered, I quit. Heck Yeah! Yesterday was tough. Today is better, I feel the win! Keeping it up. We can all do this! ;Ironman: http://z5.ifrm.com/9081/145/0/e39229//e39229.gif (http://z5.ifrm.com/9081/145/0/e39229//e39229.gif)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gaius Petronius on July 28, 2015, 03:34:00 AM
From a long time old quitter, if you are struggling, sitting there thinking that you can't quit. If you question yourself because you've quit so many times, maybe right here on this forum, only to cave the next day, or the day after that. If you are nervous because you've quit so many times on this forum and caved afterwards that you became the laughing stock of the forum I want you to know: you are not alone.


I was you.


it took me 5 years on these forums to finally kick the can. I joined the original quit smokeless forum ran by a guy named Matt in 2004. Got excited. Quit. Then Caved. Then Got Depressed. Then Quit Again. Then Started Jonsing. Then Caved. I've probably quit and caved over 100 times publicly on quit forums. Caved many many more times (by a factor of 10), privately. Fortunately, many of those caves got deleted when Matt shut down the old original quitsmokeless site. There are still plenty available over at Killthecan's sister site, but not many.

I've been laughed at. Told to never come back. Told that I was a coward. Told that I didn't have what it took to quit. Been told that I wasn't serious enough. Been told to go away by past members of forums. Been told that I was a detriment to a quit group. I've been urged to keep chewing by even past leaders of HOF groups when I was trying to quit. I've had tears in my eyes as my son picked up my can of chew and wanted to emulate me.

I know the void that chewing fills. It took me many more years after chewing to learn the real secret about chewing and the void: chewing (one of many) is a causation of the void.

I'm here to tell you to never give up. Don't listen to the people who tell you that you can't quit. I had a friend who told me that I'd never be able to quit chewing. He's not a friend of mine anymore. If you have a girlfriend or a wife that doesn't support you, divorce the wife that tells you to go ahead and buy that can of chew because she can't stand you without a dip in your mouth. Do whatever it takes to quit chewing. What does it take? Well the biggest one is that you can't give up on quitting. If you stumble, get back up, post Day 1 and keep going. I tore up my credit cards many times on my journey to quitting to not allow me to have the temptation within reach. I began carrying only a Starbucks card and could get coffee, but buy nothing else while out and about in my day. But I quit. Was it easy? Fuck No. I've made all the mistakes. Tried to "replace" chewing with food. Alcohol. Tried to have the "trophy" can of chew. You name it. Gained 50 pounds and then had to lose it. But I did. And you can too.


I'm reaching out to you my friend on Day 2,307 to urge you to become the man you were meant to be. Not the pussy who hides behind the can. Not man that doesn't want to stay at his girlfriend's late because he wants to make sure he gets a dip in before bed. The real man. The winner. The guy that isn't afraid to smile because he isn't worried anymore that he will embarrass himself because he has kodiak in his mouth or seriously stained teeth. You can choose freedom. I'm living breathing proof that there is a day when Nicotine no longer controls you. When it no longer has power over you.


But you've got to want it. All my failures, all my caves, all the negativity could not overcome one thing: desire. I desired to be free. Join me and become free with me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Remshot on July 28, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: Gaius
From a long time old quitter, if you are struggling, sitting there thinking that you can't quit. If you question yourself because you've quit so many times, maybe right here on this forum, only to cave the next day, or the day after that. If you are nervous because you've quit so many times on this forum and caved afterwards that you became the laughing stock of the forum I want you to know: you are not alone.


I was you.


it took me 5 years on these forums to finally kick the can. I joined the original quit smokeless forum ran by a guy named Matt in 2004. Got excited. Quit. Then Caved. Then Got Depressed. Then Quit Again. Then Started Jonsing. Then Caved. I've probably quit and caved over 100 times publicly on quit forums. Caved many many more times (by a factor of 10), privately. Fortunately, many of those caves got deleted when Matt shut down the old original quitsmokeless site. There are still plenty available over at Killthecan's sister site, but not many.

I've been laughed at. Told to never come back. Told that I was a coward. Told that I didn't have what it took to quit. Been told that I wasn't serious enough. Been told to go away by past members of forums. Been told that I was a detriment to a quit group. I've been urged to keep chewing by even past leaders of HOF groups when I was trying to quit. I've had tears in my eyes as my son picked up my can of chew and wanted to emulate me.

I know the void that chewing fills. It took me many more years after chewing to learn the real secret about chewing and the void: chewing (one of many) is a causation of the void.

I'm here to tell you to never give up. Don't listen to the people who tell you that you can't quit. I had a friend who told me that I'd never be able to quit chewing. He's not a friend of mine anymore. If you have a girlfriend or a wife that doesn't support you, divorce the wife that tells you to go ahead and buy that can of chew because she can't stand you without a dip in your mouth. Do whatever it takes to quit chewing. What does it take? Well the biggest one is that you can't give up on quitting. If you stumble, get back up, post Day 1 and keep going. I tore up my credit cards many times on my journey to quitting to not allow me to have the temptation within reach. I began carrying only a Starbucks card and could get coffee, but buy nothing else while out and about in my day. But I quit. Was it easy? Fuck No. I've made all the mistakes. Tried to "replace" chewing with food. Alcohol. Tried to have the "trophy" can of chew. You name it. Gained 50 pounds and then had to lose it. But I did. And you can too.


I'm reaching out to you my friend on Day 2,307 to urge you to become the man you were meant to be. Not the pussy who hides behind the can. Not man that doesn't want to stay at his girlfriend's late because he wants to make sure he gets a dip in before bed. The real man. The winner. The guy that isn't afraid to smile because he isn't worried anymore that he will embarrass himself because he has kodiak in his mouth or seriously stained teeth. You can choose freedom. I'm living breathing proof that there is a day when Nicotine no longer controls you. When it no longer has power over you.


But you've got to want it. All my failures, all my caves, all the negativity could not overcome one thing: desire. I desired to be free. Join me and become free with me.

Day 2,307? Really?

How did you do it? What finally flipped your switch? Did you have support? Quitters need to know.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Natetex on July 28, 2015, 05:40:00 PM
Hey all, I think this is how you post roll. I'm day two quit after 28 years of use.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Houpilot on July 28, 2015, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: Natetex
Hey all, I think this is how you post roll. I'm day two quit after 28 years of use.
Come here Nate - November Nymphos (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831/28/#new)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gaius Petronius on July 28, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: Remshot
Day 2,307? Really?

How did you do it? What finally flipped your switch? Did you have support? Quitters need to know.
For those of you who don't know: I was in Remshots HOF class. I can't remember what day I made it too. Around 30 or so seems to be what my mind comes to. But that could be wrong. Thanks for never giving up on me Rem.



Of course I had support! I was in the July 2009 HOF class over at QS Lite. Took me nearly 5 years at QS/QS Lite/KTC to get to day 100.

How did I do it?

Firstmost, I never gave up giving up. And when I did cave, I just kept nursing my desire, developing it, feeding it, helping it grow until my desire became a burning obsession to quit (sortla like sportsdad said, but a little different). An obsession that would't cave and then I did what everyone else does: I took it one day at a time; and if necessary, one hour at a time, one minute at a time, or even one second at a time. Each heartbeat was and is a victory.

Doesn't mean I haven't had my close calls, I have. But I'm still standing. How are you my friend? Where's ODT? Jase? Killerattorney?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 29, 2015, 12:51:00 PM
Crazy how everything seems to be going just fine then wham! Craving comes in like a fucking F5 tornado. well time for me to hunker down until this mother fucker passes! this is probably in the top worst ones I've had, but I know i can get past this and see the light at the end.

Well what do you know by the time i was done writing craving has come and gone. thanks to a jolly rancher and KTC to keep my mind occupied.

I will not give in to the nicotine and will not give up with all my brothers.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on July 29, 2015, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Crazy how everything seems to be going just fine then wham! Craving comes in like a fucking F5 tornado. well time for me to hunker down until this mother fucker passes! this is probably in the top worst ones I've had, but I know i can get past this and see the light at the end.

Well what do you know by the time i was done writing craving has come and gone. thanks to a jolly rancher and KTC to keep my mind occupied.

I will not give in to the nicotine and will not give up with all my brothers.
Way to crush it Dawg! That is EXACTLY how you put the bitch in a choke hold!

Well done!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Remshot on July 29, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: Gaius
Quote from: Remshot
Day 2,307? Really?

How did you do it? What finally flipped your switch? Did you have support? Quitters need to know.
For those of you who don't know: I was in Remshots HOF class. I can't remember what day I made it too. Around 30 or so seems to be what my mind comes to. But that could be wrong. Thanks for never giving up on me Rem.



Of course I had support! I was in the July 2009 HOF class over at QS Lite. Took me nearly 5 years at QS/QS Lite/KTC to get to day 100.

How did I do it?

Firstmost, I never gave up giving up. And when I did cave, I just kept nursing my desire, developing it, feeding it, helping it grow until my desire became a burning obsession to quit (sortla like sportsdad said, but a little different). An obsession that would't cave and then I did what everyone else does: I took it one day at a time; and if necessary, one hour at a time, one minute at a time, or even one second at a time. Each heartbeat was and is a victory.

Doesn't mean I haven't had my close calls, I have. But I'm still standing. How are you my friend? Where's ODT? Jase? Killerattorney?
You actually posted day 83 on 5/1/2006....

I am good..Older, hopefully wiser. ODT is still around, but not as active. He is quit as quit can be....I have seen no trace of Jase in years...Killerattorney? He's been off of this site for years and was/is (?) an admin over at lite, the last I heard...Quittin' Time drops by now and again to update his roll.

Glad to know you are quit...Keep your guard up!

Rem
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on July 30, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Last night for me was terrible. I literally thought i was dying. Throat and chest was tight. Right side of my face was numb, jaw, teeth, tongue, and neck felt weird. Knee and elbows hurt like i was sick with the flu. Now this morning white patches formed on my top lip not really on the inside of my lip but on the outside. Look like a bunch of little white dots and then a small patch. Which is really weird because i never packed my snuff on top. Always on bottom. But i believe i was having a bit of a anxiety/panic attack last night thinking about everything that was feeling weird and worrying myself too much. This morning felt a lot better except now just wondering whats on my top lip.

Best part of this whole story is honestly while all this was going on i didn't have the slightest bit of craving to put a dip in. Which i know it can sneak up on me anytime if i let my guard down but it did feel very good not even wanting one while going through that.

Thank you guys for being here for me and anyone else that needs yall!

Ty.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Natro on July 30, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: Remshot
Quote from: Gaius
Quote from: Remshot
Day 2,307? Really?

How did you do it? What finally flipped your switch? Did you have support? Quitters need to know.
For those of you who don't know: I was in Remshots HOF class. I can't remember what day I made it too. Around 30 or so seems to be what my mind comes to. But that could be wrong. Thanks for never giving up on me Rem.



Of course I had support! I was in the July 2009 HOF class over at QS Lite. Took me nearly 5 years at QS/QS Lite/KTC to get to day 100.

How did I do it?

Firstmost, I never gave up giving up. And when I did cave, I just kept nursing my desire, developing it, feeding it, helping it grow until my desire became a burning obsession to quit (sortla like sportsdad said, but a little different). An obsession that would't cave and then I did what everyone else does: I took it one day at a time; and if necessary, one hour at a time, one minute at a time, or even one second at a time. Each heartbeat was and is a victory.

Doesn't mean I haven't had my close calls, I have. But I'm still standing. How are you my friend? Where's ODT? Jase? Killerattorney?
You actually posted day 83 on 5/1/2006....

I am good..Older, hopefully wiser. ODT is still around, but not as active. He is quit as quit can be....I have seen no trace of Jase in years...Killerattorney? He's been off of this site for years and was/is (?) an admin over at lite, the last I heard...Quittin' Time drops by now and again to update his roll.

Glad to know you are quit...Keep your guard up!

Rem
Nice post GP, and good conversation.I stumble around on this site and find inspiring stories all over. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: futurebanker413 on August 01, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Last night for me was terrible. I literally thought i was dying. Throat and chest was tight. Right side of my face was numb, jaw, teeth, tongue, and neck felt weird. Knee and elbows hurt like i was sick with the flu. Now this morning white patches formed on my top lip not really on the inside of my lip but on the outside. Look like a bunch of little white dots and then a small patch. Which is really weird because i never packed my snuff on top. Always on bottom. But i believe i was having a bit of a anxiety/panic attack last night thinking about everything that was feeling weird and worrying myself too much. This morning felt a lot better except now just wondering whats on my top lip.

Best part of this whole story is honestly while all this was going on i didn't have the slightest bit of craving to put a dip in. Which i know it can sneak up on me anytime if i let my guard down but it did feel very good not even wanting one while going through that.

Thank you guys for being here for me and anyone else that needs yall!

Ty.
I'm on day one Ty. Even today i feel the weirdness of no nicotine flowing through my system. But i know that this small period of discomfort and torture is only the result of one thing and one thing only- the can. When i get through this the dip will never control me or you again. We will never have to have a numb jaw or weird feeling neck.

Are you in the pre-november HOF group?

Lets do this man! We're better than the can. I can't wait to see you post roll tomorrow, its a good feeling to connect and see others work to achieve what i hope to achieve

-futurebanker
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bill G on August 02, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
10 days ago I decided to be done. threw away half full can of Copenhagen. been chewing for 33 years. 10 can a week habit when I quit. I know I can do this. been reading posts on here for the last 10 days and it is helping me decided to join today. I had been using nicotine patch. I saw that that is not acceptable so threw them away a few minutes ago. I will do this. I know from past experience of trying to quit that I can never have even one dip or will be right back at it. there has been a few rough days but played golf today and didn't even think about it. I did have sunflower seeds and nicotine patch. Monday will be first patch free day. I know what to expect and am ready for it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on August 03, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: Bill
10 days ago I decided to be done. threw away half full can of Copenhagen. been chewing for 33 years. 10 can a week habit when I quit. I know I can do this. been reading posts on here for the last 10 days and it is helping me decided to join today. I had been using nicotine patch. I saw that that is not acceptable so threw them away a few minutes ago. I will do this. I know from past experience of trying to quit that I can never have even one dip or will be right back at it. there has been a few rough days but played golf today and didn't even think about it. I did have sunflower seeds and nicotine patch. Monday will be first patch free day. I know what to expect and am ready for it.
Great decision Bill. Come on over here: topic/11248831/73/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831/73/#new)

Post roll with us today. You will see that the accountability and brotherhood at KTC make this possible. Post your promise, and keep it. Looking forward to seeing you post up and get the battle started.

King
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: QUITthePUCK on August 03, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
Been dipping for about 8 years, started off as a lesiure activity playing college lacrosse. 4-5 hour bus trips - what else do you do. The last 5 years I have been dipping about a can a day of Grizz mint. I knew I started having a problem when I would walk into Royal Farms and the normal morning lady would reach back and grab it as I was fixing my coffee. I have "tried" to quit many times. I tried quitting when I got married, which worked because we went to Jamaica for honeymoon until I payed our butler 20 bucks to go off the resort and get it at the airport. I said I was going to quit when our son was born. Yeah right a great time to quit when you've just been up for 36 hours and you realize your life has just changed dramatically. Over the last 8 months I've "strategically" picked quit dates, which I then strategically found another reason to postpone. As a teacher and a coach, I realized that the 6 weeks from the end of my summer season to school starting was my only chance to get out of the vicious cycle or I would be back on the ride for another year. But this time I was excited to quit. For my wife and for my son, but most importantly for me. I'm 29 and I had to do this for myself and my family. I would look at my son and burst into tears because this shit could kill me and dramatically impact his life and my wife's life. For what?!? Just to put some shit in my mouth. So 2 weeks ago I manned up. First 3-4 days were hell, I hardly left the house, and if I did I made my wife go with me and drive so I didn't find a can. Days 5-13 were okay, I mean foggy but luckily enough I'm on vacation so I just spent the time working on the house and playing with my 8 month old. But last night and today days 14  15 have been the absolute worst. My body hurts, my stomach hurts, and I feel like I have been hit by an NFL linebacker. It's taken all my energy to get out of bed, and that was just to crawl to the floor. I wouldn't say I have a craving for dip, but my mind is making me wonder if a dip would just end this suffering.Also, I don't recommend trying to install crown molding during a quit, brain is not at its peak for this, ha! But I'm gonna push through and keep on trucking. This site is my motivation when I start craving. My wife can tell as I quickly pull out my phone and start reading that I am not alone in this fight and that it CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU FOR THIS SITE AND FOR THOSE OF YOU FIGHTING, I AM FIGHTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on August 03, 2015, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: QUITthePUCK
Been dipping for about 8 years, started off as a lesiure activity playing college lacrosse. 4-5 hour bus trips - what else do you do. The last 5 years I have been dipping about a can a day of Grizz mint. I knew I started having a problem when I would walk into Royal Farms and the normal morning lady would reach back and grab it as I was fixing my coffee. I have "tried" to quit many times. I tried quitting when I got married, which worked because we went to Jamaica for honeymoon until I payed our butler 20 bucks to go off the resort and get it at the airport. I said I was going to quit when our son was born. Yeah right a great time to quit when you've just been up for 36 hours and you realize your life has just changed dramatically. Over the last 8 months I've "strategically" picked quit dates, which I then strategically found another reason to postpone. As a teacher and a coach, I realized that the 6 weeks from the end of my summer season to school starting was my only chance to get out of the vicious cycle or I would be back on the ride for another year. But this time I was excited to quit. For my wife and for my son, but most importantly for me. I'm 29 and I had to do this for myself and my family. I would look at my son and burst into tears because this shit could kill me and dramatically impact his life and my wife's life. For what?!? Just to put some shit in my mouth. So 2 weeks ago I manned up. First 3-4 days were hell, I hardly left the house, and if I did I made my wife go with me and drive so I didn't find a can. Days 5-13 were okay, I mean foggy but luckily enough I'm on vacation so I just spent the time working on the house and playing with my 8 month old. But last night and today days 14  15 have been the absolute worst. My body hurts, my stomach hurts, and I feel like I have been hit by an NFL linebacker. It's taken all my energy to get out of bed, and that was just to crawl to the floor. I wouldn't say I have a craving for dip, but my mind is making me wonder if a dip would just end this suffering.Also, I don't recommend trying to install crown molding during a quit, brain is not at its peak for this, ha! But I'm gonna push through and keep on trucking. This site is my motivation when I start craving. My wife can tell as I quickly pull out my phone and start reading that I am not alone in this fight and that it CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU FOR THIS SITE AND FOR THOSE OF YOU FIGHTING, I AM FIGHTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU
QTP, glad to have you aboard man. It sounds like you've developed a general hatred for nicotine, and you should, you have been a slave to that can for far to long now.

Head over here and post roll: topic/11203031/310/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/310/#new)

That's your promise to not use nicotine in any form today. We will provide you with the accountability and brotherhood that have successfully led many quits under this roof. The first step is posting roll, the rest you will see as you go.

Let's get to quitting bro, it's time.

King
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on August 04, 2015, 05:14:00 AM
This is day 25 since my quit, and the anxiety hasn't subsided yet.

I'm naturally not an anxious person, I never had anxiety, I'm never stressed, but now I get doom thoughts, my stomach knots, and you get that feeling like you're going over the bump in a car.

It comes and goes, I've been taking magnesium and 'nerve tonic' (OTC supplement at walmart) and it seems to help.

This ALL started after I quit nicotine. I had a panic attack, then a few smaller ones, now I seem to ward them off but the feeling is still like I'm on the edge.

Has anyone else dealt with this? I don't want medications to fix it. I've cut out nearly ALL caffeine, which after quitting I'm super sensitive to the stuff. Hell, I could drink a pot of coffee a day and not miss a beat. Now if I have the tiniest bit, I FREAK.

I'm MAYBE having 30mg a day now.

I think I'm getting better, I just want to be normal again and not so strung out.

Please let me know your experiences, and when this should subside.

Granted, I only dipped for ~1.5 years in college and a little after graduation.

I wish I never touched the shit if I knew these were the results.

background: I'm very very healthy, I work out very hard 6 days a week (lifting), with cardio. The anxiety goes away when I'm in the gym, or at work.

I feel the worst when I wake up, which is when I normally grabbed a dip. Is this considered a trigger?

I literally feel like garbage mentally lol but physically my strength is higher than it's ever been. None of this is making sense to me. This shit really FKED me up.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 04, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: datsunking1
This is day 25 since my quit, and the anxiety hasn't subsided yet.

I'm naturally not an anxious person, I never had anxiety, I'm never stressed, but now I get doom thoughts, my stomach knots, and you get that feeling like you're going over the bump in a car.

It comes and goes, I've been taking magnesium and 'nerve tonic' (OTC supplement at walmart) and it seems to help.

This ALL started after I quit nicotine. I had a panic attack, then a few smaller ones, now I seem to ward them off but the feeling is still like I'm on the edge.

Has anyone else dealt with this? I don't want medications to fix it. I've cut out nearly ALL caffeine, which after quitting I'm super sensitive to the stuff. Hell, I could drink a pot of coffee a day and not miss a beat. Now if I have the tiniest bit, I FREAK.

I'm MAYBE having 30mg a day now.

I think I'm getting better, I just want to be normal again and not so strung out.

Please let me know your experiences, and when this should subside.

Granted, I only dipped for ~1.5 years in college and a little after graduation.

I wish I never touched the shit if I knew these were the results.

background: I'm very very healthy, I work out very hard 6 days a week (lifting), with cardio. The anxiety goes away when I'm in the gym, or at work.

I feel the worst when I wake up, which is when I normally grabbed a dip. Is this considered a trigger?

I literally feel like garbage mentally lol but physically my strength is higher than it's ever been. None of this is making sense to me. This shit really FKED me up.
Good news... this is all 100% normal.

Here's some reading you may find helpful:

Anxiety When You Quit Dipping – Dealing With Stress
http://www.killthecan.org/anxiety-when- ... th-stress/ (http://www.killthecan.org/anxiety-when-you-quit-dipping-dealing-with-stress/)

The Caffeine / Nicotine Interaction
http://www.killthecan.org/additional-re ... teraction/ (http://www.killthecan.org/additional-resources/the-caffeine-nicotine-interaction/)

Does It Ever Get Easier?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/05/does ... et-easier/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/05/does-it-ever-get-easier/)

Hang in there man... you may not feel like it but you're on the right track!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on August 05, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
I spoke too soon. Day 26, I'm feeling much much better, I think I think I finally overcame the anxiety and weird off feelings. Those that are struggling I highly highly recommend nerve tonic and magnesium supplements. The feelings of depression and anxiety will pass and you WILL feel better. FK you nicotine, FK YOU!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: slug on August 05, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-s ... nger-self/ (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/curt-schilling-letter-to-my-younger-self/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on August 05, 2015, 11:49:00 AM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195ex_cid=espnFB (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195&ex_cid=espnFB)

MUST WATCH
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on August 05, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Diesel2112
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195ex_cid=espnFB (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195&ex_cid=espnFB)

MUST WATCH
Thanks Diesel great listen!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 06, 2015, 10:11:00 AM
People Tried Chewing Tobacco For The First Time And ItÂ’s Just As Gross As You Imagined
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alivelez/people ... .hgolmA2qN (http://www.buzzfeed.com/alivelez/people-try-chewing-tobacco-and-regret-it-instantly#.hgolmA2qN)

some of the reactions are priceless...

#BigfootsDick
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jabr on August 06, 2015, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Diesel2112
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195ex_cid=espnFB (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13380195&ex_cid=espnFB)

MUST WATCH
Thanks Diesel great listen!
Just the words "radiation above the shoulders" made me nauseated.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: techalum on August 07, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: datsunking1
I spoke too soon. Day 26, I'm feeling much much better, I think I think I finally overcame the anxiety and weird off feelings. Those that are struggling I highly highly recommend nerve tonic and magnesium supplements. The feelings of depression and anxiety will pass and you WILL feel better. FK you nicotine, FK YOU!!
Today is day 12. Has anyone noticed their taste buds changing back to what I guess is normal?
I was drinking a coca-cola yesterday and thought that it was too sweet. It was so sweet that I wondered how I could
even drink it. Seems like the quit of snuff may help me start the quit of soft drinks. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on August 07, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: techalum
Quote from: datsunking1
I spoke too soon. Day 26, I'm feeling much much better, I think I think I finally overcame the anxiety and weird off feelings. Those that are struggling I highly highly recommend nerve tonic and magnesium supplements. The feelings of depression and anxiety will pass and you WILL feel better. FK you nicotine, FK YOU!!
Today is day 12. Has anyone noticed their taste buds changing back to what I guess is normal?
I was drinking a coca-cola yesterday and thought that it was too sweet. It was so sweet that I wondered how I could
even drink it. Seems like the quit of snuff may help me start the quit of soft drinks. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Hey Tech, there is actually a quit group on here for soda as well. Here's the link: topic/1008279/272/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1008279/272/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jakes29 on August 08, 2015, 06:52:00 PM
Craving hard today. Anytime it hits I come on hear and re-read my roll post and say "fuck u cravings".
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Moses24 on August 09, 2015, 12:34:00 AM
Today is the end of day 6 for my quit, and damn it was rough. I knew the weekend would be a lot harder since I'm not on a schedule like I am on the weekdays due to work. For me, downtime is not good when it comes to kicking this crap. Hell, I took a nap today for a couple of hours and had dreams about dipping...I mean, seriously? What the heck man...no escape even during sleep!!!

I've been reading a ton on this site, mainly when I'm craving really hard, and that's been awesome...so thanks to everyone on here who is serious about quitting, and serious about supporting.

Just so I can kill a few more minutes before I go to bed, I'm gonna overview some experiences in my first 6 days that will hopefully help someone else reading to either pass the time/gain motivation/relate, etc. My first 6 days hasn't really been riddled with much anxiety, depression or mood swings, which I'm very thankful for. Don't get me wrong, it's been really tough, and the cravings I've had have been extremely difficult to push back. Like I said, I even dreamed about dipping today...damn!

The strangest thing for me has been dealing with feeling bored. I know that sounds weird, but it's difficult to explain, but I'll try. I've been intensely addicted to the can for seven years...the "never leave home without it" type thing...you know the story. So now these past 6 days have given me almost like a clearer view into my days...a clearer view that included me realizing I dipped ALL THE TIME. An example to help explain: Went to lunch today with my wife, picked up a to go sandwich and came back home to eat since we had our dog with us and it's 900 GD degrees outside. We ate, talked, etc....it was actually really cool to be present during that time and not be thinking about grabbing the can as soon as I finish this last bite. After we were done, she was doing some things around the house, and I was just sitting there looking at my dog like, "well, what the hell am I supposed to do now?" Obviously there were a million things I could have been doing (clean, write, read a book, watch tv, mow the yard, etc.), but I just sat there and thought about the fact that I wasn't in my normal routine of shoving a fat wad in my mouth.

In contrast, a week ago I would have reluctantly gone to lunch and spent real quality time with my wife, mostly because it would have meant delaying/stopping my routine of dipping for a bit. We would have come home, eaten lunch the same way we did today, but as soon as we were done, I would have gone to the bathroom and popped a fatty in, and then done a shit ton of productive things, all because my routine was rolling.

Even at work this past week, I didn't stray from my normal work production, but I felt bored. Emailing and working in general at my desk just seemed really boring, where as when I had my trusty partner with me the week before, I would pop one in and get to work. Same output both weeks, only this past week being dip free seemed so different.

I guess the best way to describe this whole feeling is that I didn't really realize how numb my habit made me to life in general. I have felt present these past 6 days. An agitated and crave-thirsty bastard, but present. This evening my wife and I drove to Walmart and got an inflatable kitty pool, drove to our favorite market and grabbed really good sandwiches, went to her parents' house and picked up their lab puppy and dachsund and loaded them up in the Tahoe with our great dane...and then drove to our house and filled that damn kitty pool up and sat on the back porch laughing our asses off watching those dogs run around, and we enjoyed life. Now let me tell you, that probably would not have happened last weekend, not because I'm an asshole, but mainly because it would have meant me leaving my can out of the picture for a while...and I certainly would not have felt as alive and present as I did today.

Anyway, I'm rambling here, but it's helping me, so I don't care. I'm only 6 days in, and I have a LONG WAY to go...but dammit, I'm proud of these last 6 days. Ya, I spent the last 6 days from sun up to sundown with absolutely no money on my person (gave the credit and debit cards to the wife and I have no idea where they are), and no cash in site. I'm a damn sneaky bastard...so I had to take some serious measures for this first week at least. And here's the best part of this whole 6 day summary:

We're expecting our first child any day now (a baby girl), and I'm damn excited to know that I will be present and accounted for at her birth. Not that I wouldn't have been there if she'd have been born while I was still dipping, but knowing now that I would have been missing out on that "real life clarity" that I've had these past 6 days is eye opening. Really thankful for this site and the encouragement. I'll be here in the morning to post roll, right after I wake up...and even though I'm sure tomorrow will be difficult, I'm all in for quit. Good night.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Moses24 on August 09, 2015, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: techalum
Quote from: datsunking1
I spoke too soon. Day 26, I'm feeling much much better, I think I think I finally overcame the anxiety and weird off feelings. Those that are struggling I highly highly recommend nerve tonic and magnesium supplements. The feelings of depression and anxiety will pass and you WILL feel better. FK you nicotine, FK YOU!!
Today is day 12. Has anyone noticed their taste buds changing back to what I guess is normal?
I was drinking a coca-cola yesterday and thought that it was too sweet. It was so sweet that I wondered how I could
even drink it. Seems like the quit of snuff may help me start the quit of soft drinks. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Interesting...today is day 6 for me, and I ate a quick energy bar before lunch today and thought it tasted weird. It was still good, but just way different than it used to be. Maybe it has something to do with my tongue not being covered in shit? Who knows.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Willert88 on August 09, 2015, 01:03:00 AM
Day 4 for me and my stomach has been killing me since day 2. I feel like my stomach is cramping and I wanna puke, did anyone else have this and how long?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: halligan87 on August 09, 2015, 01:39:00 AM
Hubby is doing great.. I think he will get through it fine.. Me: some moments I am like i got this, then like 5 mins later my thoughts shift to " I am going to break, i can not hold back this wave any longer".. Then I have a positive thought again.. It is a damn terrible cycle I am stuck in!! Ughh, I am just scared that that one moment of weakness will hit, and i will run off for a can.. Maybe SOON this too shall pass!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigcat on August 09, 2015, 11:50:00 AM
I have posted a similar question in the past I guess I need some more input. I am quit day 60 and right after I quit I noticed a white spot on my gum and cheek where my dip sat. My tonsils swelled really bad about 1 week after my quit date, went to my gp he gave me steroids and antibiotics. Tonsil issue went away white spot remained. After meds I saw an ENT who did a full oral screening. He said the spot did not look to be cancer and prescribed oral steroid paste, he also did a CT scan of my head and neck(all clear except my sinuses are screwed up). I saw him again last week the spot in my mouth has diminished by better than half but now I am having pain in my gums, he said it was more than likely dental pain. I go to the dentist he asks about spot I tell him what ENT said and he is OK with that answer, but he can't find a reason except receeding gums for my tooth pain. Has anyone gone through anything like this should I get a 4th cancer screeninf. None of the three doctors are even inclined to do a biopsy. My wife and myself feel I am being totally manic. The report from the dentist was the same as two years ago he feels the paste prescribed for the spot is causing the pain. Again just wondering if there was any onsite from more experienced quitters. On a bright note I feel great as far as energy and lack of cravings and total health. Since I quit my blood pressure has gone down and so has my weight. The woman thinks I need some meds for the anxiety.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 10, 2015, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: Willert88
Day 4 for me and my stomach has been killing me since day 2. I feel like my stomach is cramping and I wanna puke, did anyone else have this and how long?
short answer... definitely.

Its different for everyone... for me it was a week or so. Hang in there man. Drink a ton of water - that helped me.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 10, 2015, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Bigcat
I have posted a similar question in the past I guess I need some more input. I am quit day 60 and right after I quit I noticed a white spot on my gum and cheek where my dip sat. My tonsils swelled really bad about 1 week after my quit date, went to my gp he gave me steroids and antibiotics. Tonsil issue went away white spot remained. After meds I saw an ENT who did a full oral screening. He said the spot did not look to be cancer and prescribed oral steroid paste, he also did a CT scan of my head and neck(all clear except my sinuses are screwed up). I saw him again last week the spot in my mouth has diminished by better than half but now I am having pain in my gums, he said it was more than likely dental pain. I go to the dentist he asks about spot I tell him what ENT said and he is OK with that answer, but he can't find a reason except receeding gums for my tooth pain. Has anyone gone through anything like this should I get a 4th cancer screeninf. None of the three doctors are even inclined to do a biopsy. My wife and myself feel I am being totally manic. The report from the dentist was the same as two years ago he feels the paste prescribed for the spot is causing the pain. Again just wondering if there was any onsite from more experienced quitters. On a bright note I feel great as far as energy and lack of cravings and total health. Since I quit my blood pressure has gone down and so has my weight. The woman thinks I need some meds for the anxiety.
Welcome to my world my friend... I can't even begin to tell you how many screens, scares and nights of lost sleep I've had since I quit because of my stupid brain.

I'm what you'd call a hypochondriac. But to like the 10th degree. Every single bump, bruise, pain, red spot, etc. lead to cancer in my brain.

I'll say this... you're doing the right thing. You've gotten checked out. And the folks who know what they're talking about are all telling you you're good. My suggestion, as difficult as it may be, is to relax. Keep an eye on things and if your situation changes have things re-checked but you've got "experts" telling you there's nothing to worry about... so don't.

I realize that's easier said than done, but there's no use worrying about stuff you can't control. Use that energy and focus it toward your quit. Keep on keepin on my man!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jakes29 on August 10, 2015, 10:00:00 AM
What can yall tell me about "dip dreams". Had my first one last night, woke up pissed and anxious. Dreamed I was buying some pouches of cope(which I have never used). Day 8 quit for me. Most of the physical symptoms are gone, now dealing with psychological.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on August 10, 2015, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: jakes29
What can yall tell me about "dip dreams". Had my first one last night, woke up pissed and anxious. Dreamed I was buying some pouches of cope(which I have never used). Day 8 quit for me. Most of the physical symptoms are gone, now dealing with psychological.
Dip dreams will mess with your head big time. They're so real I wake up and check my mouth to take the dip out. Always tough to go back to sleep. I see you're posting daily roll in  November 2015.  (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831/25/?x=90#new) Stay strong and keep it going one day at a time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: anthonywaynejordan on August 10, 2015, 01:12:00 PM
First post. Happy to be here.

If you follow baseball, you know that Tony Gwynn died last year of oral cancer, brought on by the use of smokeless tobacco. About three months ago I had a dream that I was at his funeral, I look down in the casket, it was his body and my face. Two weeks later on July 5 I made decision but I was never dipping again. I'm in my sixth week right now, my lip feels great, and I feel great.

The hardest thing for me now is occasionally something comes up where" supposed to be dipping". I've gotten over the big ones like driving, after meals, and at work. Yesterday, I was smoking some ribs for the first time in a few months, and hit me that I'm supposed to be dipping. It was a long day, LOL, but I didn't dip!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Andre the Grande on August 10, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
Quote from: anthonywaynejordan
First post. Happy to be here.

If you follow baseball, you know that Tony Gwynn died last year of oral cancer, brought on by the use of smokeless tobacco. About three months ago I had a dream that I was at his funeral, I look down in the casket, it was his body and my face. Two weeks later on July 5 I made decision but I was never dipping again. I'm in my sixth week right now, my lip feels great, and I feel great.

The hardest thing for me now is occasionally something comes up where" supposed to be dipping". I've gotten over the big ones like driving, after meals, and at work. Yesterday, I was smoking some ribs for the first time in a few months, and hit me that I'm supposed to be dipping. It was a long day, LOL, but I didn't dip!
I think you should be posting roll in October 2015. Good group of guys in there.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Done4Me on August 11, 2015, 08:23:00 AM
Quote from: Andre
Quote from: anthonywaynejordan
First post. Happy to be here.

If you follow baseball, you know that Tony Gwynn died last year of oral cancer, brought on by the use of smokeless tobacco. About three months ago I had a dream that I was at his funeral, I look down in the casket, it was his body and my face. Two weeks later on July 5 I made decision but I was never dipping again. I'm in my sixth week right now, my lip feels great, and I feel great.

The hardest thing for me now is occasionally something comes up where" supposed to be dipping". I've gotten over the big ones like driving, after meals, and at work. Yesterday, I was smoking some ribs for the first time in a few months, and hit me that I'm supposed to be dipping. It was a long day, LOL, but I didn't dip!
I think you should be posting roll in October 2015. Good group of guys in there.
So you made it 38 days solo before you found this place? That's some strong stuff there my man. Quitting is hard no matter when, where, or how. The difference in quitting on your own vs. here is the power of accountability and brotherhood. It takes some getting used to. It's some weird stuff posting roll with people you don't know but you'll be amazed at how much your quit bros will have your back.

Here's  where to post daily roll for you.  (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/61/?x=90#new) No reason to quit alone.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on August 11, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
single/?p=9247661t=10423364 (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9247661&t=10423364)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on August 12, 2015, 01:07:00 AM
Spoke too soon team,

I just woke up in a precusor to a panic attack, hot flashes and the like. I grabbed my phone (debated driving to the hospital lol) and walked outside with my phone to go sit on a bench at midnight. Not creepy at all. I'll probably be going to the doctor tomorrow for a check up. Tobacco is some NASTY fucking shit if this is what it does to people.

The only thing that leads me to believe it's withdrawal is that NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENED UNTIL I QUIT.

FUCK YOU TOBACCO. Day 32 clean here. I have ZERO cravings. I just want to be me again. I just want to sleep again. My mind races and I freak out.

The tobacco hotline said the symptoms are typical, but don't hesitate to get checked out by a doctor. Which I will not at this point, it's starting to drive me mad lol

Now I find myself on the forums telling you that it's still a struggle.

I'm going to med express tomorrow to get some blood work done and a general check up to ensure I'm ok.

I only dipped for 1.5 years. Maybe I was in a situation where I was more perceptible to these conditions than others. I can't imagine what 30+ year dippers are going through.

SOS.

(save our ship or still on strong) lol
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 12, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
It's BIG Savings Wednesday!

Check in here to see how many $$$ we've taken from Big Tobacco today!

topic/1003238/28/?x=90#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003238/28/?x=90#new)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G on August 12, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
It's BIG Savings Wednesday!

Check in here to see how many $$$ we've taken from Big Tobacco today!

topic/1003238/28/?x=90#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003238/28/?x=90#new)
Let's go people. Check in.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jakes29 on August 12, 2015, 06:15:00 PM
Why is ther not an app for this site? Would make navigating on a phone and iPad much easier.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Lumberjack Tim on August 13, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
I'm liking the new header today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JKEdwards on August 13, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: Lumberjack
I'm liking the new header today.
Simple, Sleek, and Straight to the point. A very calm color palette with nice crisp lettering.

Also says Community. 'winker'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigdaddy_ on August 13, 2015, 09:27:00 PM
Hey guys, I just found this site, and I've been in and out of quitting for the past three months. I haven't been dipping for long, about a can a day regular for two years. The reason I started sounds lame as shit, but I did it to drop weight, as I've been overweight pretty much my whole life. It worked pretty well too, as dip plus excersize plus eating a little better helped me drop over 30 pounds to put me at a more normal weight. But every time I quit my weight shoots back up REALLY fast without any other changes in excersize or what I eat. I gained 8 pounds in a week and a half untill I started dipping again two weeks ago. Any advice as to how I can quit but still keep weight down?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jakes29 on August 14, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bigdaddy_
Hey guys, I just found this site, and I've been in and out of quitting for the past three months. I haven't been dipping for long, about a can a day regular for two years. The reason I started sounds lame as shit, but I did it to drop weight, as I've been overweight pretty much my whole life. It worked pretty well too, as dip plus excersize plus eating a little better helped me drop over 30 pounds to put me at a more normal weight. But every time I quit my weight shoots back up REALLY fast without any other changes in excersize or what I eat. I gained 8 pounds in a week and a half untill I started dipping again two weeks ago. Any advice as to how I can quit but still keep weight down?
BigDaddy,

I am a Dietitian and personal trainer, help guys lose weight on a daily basis. I am also 12 days quit. What you need to know is that nicotine suppresses your appetite. It also dulls your tastebuds. Are you sure your food intake did not change when you quit? most of the time(not all and not everyone) appetite increases, foods taste better which causes more food intake which leads to overconsumption of calories which leads to weight gain.

The other problem with nicotine(dip or smoke) is the oral fixation. Some quitters eat to take the place of a dip or smoke being in their mouth/ part of the routine.

best thing I can recommend is to keep a food log of exactly what you are eating and drinking, that way you have something to refer to when you see these weight changes.

ALso, watch the liquids calories, they can really add up.

Best thing you can do is quit, and worry about the weight gain later...establish some other healthy habits.

hope this helps
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G3arh3ad06 on August 14, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
I think I'm on the 6th or 7th time trying to quit. I just read Tom's story with my wife and we are both in tears. I have to quit for my family. How do y'all fight through the cravings, the fits of rage? I NEED HELP!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: commldo on August 14, 2015, 10:52:00 PM
Hey y'all. Today is one full week quit cold turkey after 20 years, and I feel great. The past 8-10 years I chewed and swallowed Cope. This first week I've experienced difficulty sleeping and stomach pains. I have chewed so much gum this week my jaws and teeth hurt. I hope these stomach pains soon stop, I only get them at night. Take care fellas. Thanks for reading...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: howgoodgodis on August 14, 2015, 11:17:00 PM
Hey y'all. Today is one full week quit cold turkey after 20 years, and I feel great. The past 8-10 years I chewed and swallowed Cope. This first week I've experienced difficulty sleeping and stomach pains. I have chewed so much gum this week my jaws and teeth hurt. I hope these stomach pains soon stop, I only get them at night. Take care fellas. Thanks for reading...



Hey buddy, Just keep fighting through. I'm 29 days in and have consumed approximately 5 pounds of atomic fireballs. Lol! Doesn't hurt my mouth and teeth as much as gum. But does burn a hell of a lot which has helped me. Quit on brother!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: G3arh3ad06 on August 14, 2015, 11:27:00 PM
HowgoodHopefully this works for good now! The Mrs isn't too keen on kissing me with a mouth full of wormdirt. lol I'll try atomic fireballs! Anything sounds good to me!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 15, 2015, 02:22:00 AM
Quote from: G3arh3ad06
I think I'm on the 6th or 7th time trying to quit. I just read Tom's story with my wife and we are both in tears. I have to quit for my family. How do y'all fight through the cravings, the fits of rage? I NEED HELP!
It starts with a promise. You promise to your quit group and yourself that today, you are nicotine free. That is what you do when you post roll.

If you, like me, value the promises we make to others, it becomes an incredibly powerful foundation for your quit.

The second part is the brotherhood. You're part of a group of quitters going through the same (roughly) experience. Those who have been here longer offer their advice and guidance, but nothing takes the place of your brothers in quit. Together, you help each other keep the promise you make.

Being afraid of the cravings, or how you're going to rage are just excuses that your addict brain is feeding you so it doesn't have to own up to it's addiction. I made the same excuses. There was never a "good" time to be extra grumpy/mean/short/asshole-ish.

The best day to quit was a before you ever started. The second best day is today.

If you're ready to quit, get that crap out of your mouth, buckle up, mosey on over to November 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831) and post roll.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 15, 2015, 02:27:00 AM
Quote from: howgoodgodis
Hey y'all. Today is one full week quit cold turkey after 20 years, and I feel great. The past 8-10 years I chewed and swallowed Cope. This first week I've experienced difficulty sleeping and stomach pains. I have chewed so much gum this week my jaws and teeth hurt. I hope these stomach pains soon stop, I only get them at night. Take care fellas. Thanks for reading...



Hey buddy, Just keep fighting through. I'm 29 days in and have consumed approximately 5 pounds of atomic fireballs. Lol! Doesn't hurt my mouth and teeth as much as gum. But does burn a hell of a lot which has helped me. Quit on brother!!!!
Congrats on making it a week! That's a tough fight on your own.

When I first started my quit, I found out the hard way that the sweetener in sugar free gum tends, uh, loosen me up, if you will. I chewed so much gum I thought at first it must be a tumor giving me the jaw pain. Fortunately it was just from chewing the gum.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 15, 2015, 02:31:00 AM
Quote from: G3arh3ad06
HowgoodHopefully this works for good now! The Mrs isn't too keen on kissing me with a mouth full of wormdirt. lol I'll try atomic fireballs! Anything sounds good to me!
I mostly just chewed gum myself. I settled in on the little blister packs of Dentyne Ice. Other folks use sunflower seeds, jolly ranchers, etc. There's also an assortment of fake chews that are all nicotine free. I never tried them, but some folks in my quit group really found them useful. There more info over here (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/smokeless-alternatives/) complete with reviews.

Drink lots of water. That helps a lot.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: blplls on August 15, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
General quit discussion, questions, answers, etc.

Guests looking to quit looking for answers are welcome.
Hi everyone, Ive just quit and joined the site. Quite date 08/15/15. I need some help finding a group. Thanks BP
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 16, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: blplls
Quote from: chewie
General quit discussion, questions, answers, etc.

Guests looking to quit looking for answers are welcome.
Hi everyone, Ive just quit and joined the site. Quite date 08/15/15. I need some help finding a group. Thanks BP
Congratulations on making the best decision of your life!

Since you quit yesterday, November (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831/) is your group. Head on over there, and get your self on roll. If you quit yesterday, today is Day 2.

Grab yourself some seed or something, drink lots of water and buckle up tight. This isn't easy, but it is very necessary. I'd recommend poking around the sites. Read some intros or HOF speeches. Check out some of the other groups. Mosey over to live chat and get to know some folks.

Welcome!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on August 17, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
Day 38. The fog is gone, anxiety is gone, I feel fantastic, I'm sleeping, working out hard, I couldn't be happier. Fuck you tobacco. Keep on driving guys. There IS a brighter day :D

I dupped about a tin a day (a little less) for 1.5 years. Make sure you have a good support network!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 17, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Day 38. The fog is gone, anxiety is gone, I feel fantastic, I'm sleeping, working out hard, I couldn't be happier. Fuck you tobacco. Keep on driving guys. There IS a brighter day :D

I dupped about a tin a day (a little less) for 1.5 years. Make sure you have a good support network!
Good on you for making it this far!

Looking through your post history, it doesn't look like you're on roll with any group. If you stopped using Nicotine 38-days ago, or 7/10, you're part of October 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11203031/). Head on over that way, post roll and introduce yourself. I'm sure the funbags would be happy to have you with them.

As to the fog and anxiety, be careful. Enjoy the good day, but beware that those things can still swing by for a visit every now and again. Keep doing what you've done to get this far and you'll do great!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 18, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on August 18, 2015, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 18, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on August 18, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
^^ great team work gentlemen!!!
The best part is you are no longer doing any damage, just healing.
Also if you don't have a sonicare, get one they help a lot and if you think too expensive, think about how much you would spend on chew? a good investment for your mouth and teeth!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cjoy on August 18, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
^^ great team work gentlemen!!!
The best part is you are no longer doing any damage, just healing.
Also if you don't have a sonicare, get one they help a lot and if you think too expensive, think about how much you would spend on chew? a good investment for your mouth and teeth!
I did it early on in my quit boys (2 weeks) after chewing for 18 years. It was some scary shit but well worth it. I walked out of the office with some work to be done but with one less thing to worry about during this time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 18, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: cjoy
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
^^ great team work gentlemen!!!
The best part is you are no longer doing any damage, just healing.
Also if you don't have a sonicare, get one they help a lot and if you think too expensive, think about how much you would spend on chew? a good investment for your mouth and teeth!
I did it early on in my quit boys (2 weeks) after chewing for 18 years. It was some scary shit but well worth it. I walked out of the office with some work to be done but with one less thing to worry about during this time.
Thank you all, I'm going to keep caring for my mouth and plan a apt soon
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 19, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 19, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 19, 2015, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
THIS... IS... AWESOME!!!!

#QuitWood
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 19, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
awesome glad to hear! Im currently in the process of setting an apt!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 19, 2015, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 19, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
I haven't either. Thanks for getting me motivated to change that. It's been on my "should do" list for awhile, but excuses.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 19, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
I haven't either. Thanks for getting me motivated to change that. It's been on my "should do" list for awhile, but excuses.
You guys may find this an interesting read...

A Day At The Dentist For A Former Tobacco User
http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-da ... e-dentist/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-day-at-the-dentist/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Andre the Grande on August 19, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
I haven't either. Thanks for getting me motivated to change that. It's been on my "should do" list for awhile, but excuses.
You guys may find this an interesting read...

A Day At The Dentist For A Former Tobacco User
http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-da ... e-dentist/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-day-at-the-dentist/)
I drank from this lemonade stand and it helped heal my gums. (Please don't watch at work, I am not sure if it's friendly or not) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cH6E8ZBjc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cH6E8ZBjc)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gman101 on August 19, 2015, 11:26:00 PM
Hey everyone, I just quit dipping about 4 days ago and so far so good. What does everybody do to fight the nicotine cravings and what can I expect when quitting?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Andre the Grande on August 19, 2015, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: Gman101
Hey everyone, I just quit dipping about 4 days ago and so far so good. What does everybody do to fight the nicotine cravings and what can I expect when quitting?
Good questions. This should help with the expectation part http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/) . As for the cravings, I used fake for a few weeks, then gum and seeds. I still use the later sporadically. Also, if they are bad enough some say to put your balls in a drawer and slam it until the craving is gone. Never tried it but I bet it works
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 20, 2015, 01:58:00 AM
Quote from: Andre
Quote from: Gman101
Hey everyone, I just quit dipping about 4 days ago and so far so good. What does everybody do to fight the nicotine cravings and what can I expect when quitting?
Good questions. This should help with the expectation part http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/) . As for the cravings, I used fake for a few weeks, then gum and seeds. I still use the later sporadically. Also, if they are bad enough some say to put your balls in a drawer and slam it until the craving is gone. Never tried it but I bet it works
Congrats on four days nicotine free! That makes your quit group November 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831). Head on over that way and get yourself up on roll.

I can vouch for the gum myself. Although you gotta watch some of the sugar free gums. Some of the sweeteners can have a pretty good laxative effect. Another thing that helps fight the crave is reading and participating here. Lots of great stories around here. Some funny, some inspirational.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolaq on August 20, 2015, 08:12:00 AM
Listen up!

This is a Forum to help people QUIT NICOTINE! The major tool we use here, is to give our WORD when we Post ROLL!

If you are a lying piece of shit and are USING while POSTING, you will be shown the door. It's that simple!

If you are not man enough to give your WORD every day, and KEEP IT, there are alternative sites out there for you, where lying, and 'trying' are more accepted. Please go there and wast their time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 20, 2015, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
I haven't either. Thanks for getting me motivated to change that. It's been on my "should do" list for awhile, but excuses.
You guys may find this an interesting read...

A Day At The Dentist For A Former Tobacco User
http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-da ... e-dentist/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-day-at-the-dentist/)
Very good read thanks chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: arrigm on August 20, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
I have been using sunflower seeds at night and sugarless gum to and from work in the car. Also have some sugarless hard candies. The most satisfying was jakes mint chew I had last night. I read somewhere on here to put cayenne red pepper in there and it made the dip enjoyable. I am day 3. Keep it up.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gosioux on August 20, 2015, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: saltydawg
I've been quit from snuff for 27 days now. Been feeling a lot better jaw hurts occasionally and face tingle on side I always held at times but goes away. But when does my whole mouth go back to normal color? Both my cheeks are still white as hell. My lesions are healing well but the white hasn't subsided at all. Does anyone know when it will fade? Thanks
Salty,
It may take a while for your mouth to heal. Warm salt water swishing helps, water down hydrogen peroxide and Listerine.
I would have give your mouth a couple month plus to heal, I would schedule a dentist appt for the end of September, cleaning and check-up, good peace of mind.
That first dentist appointment is scary. To be honest, I haven't done mine yet either.

Want to commit with me to a date to get an appointment scheduled by?
Hell yea bud whats your schedule looking like whens a good date for you?
All scheduled up. September 9th is the date.

As an aside, this is why staying involved in this site is so important. I drifted in here to try to help others and the next thing I know, I'm the one getting helped. Pretty awesome!
Alrighty all scheduled for next Tuesday. kinda worried haven't been to the dentist in years!
I haven't either. Thanks for getting me motivated to change that. It's been on my "should do" list for awhile, but excuses.
You guys may find this an interesting read...

A Day At The Dentist For A Former Tobacco User
http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-da ... e-dentist/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/a-day-at-the-dentist/)
Very good read thanks chewie
I've been quit for close to two years now after chewing off and on for over 25. Here's a rundown of what quitting has done for me.

- Sore jaw - gone
- Loose teeth - teeth are tight and have had good dental checkups
- frequent ringing in the ears - gone
- sore tingling tongue - gone
- rough patches in gums - gone
- frequent heartburn - gone

this is just a sample of what quitting can do for you. Stay close to KTC and Stay quite brother.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 21, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Well I'm happy that I got my dentist apt scheduled. But yesterday after seeing the dr for a follow up he has ordered me a biopsy to be done on my top lip. I will be going to a specialist on wed of next week. Can't lie it is a little worrisome but I've made my choices in the past all I can do is keep bettering myself for the future. Sure hope everything comes up ok.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on August 21, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
It's not just baseball; NFL has a smokeless tobacco habit, too
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463 ... t-baseball (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463209/nfl-smokeless-tobacco-habit-too-not-just-baseball)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 21, 2015, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: saltydawg
Well I'm happy that I got my dentist apt scheduled. But yesterday after seeing the dr for a follow up he has ordered me a biopsy to be done on my top lip. I will be going to a specialist on wed of next week. Can't lie it is a little worrisome but I've made my choices in the past all I can do is keep bettering myself for the future. Sure hope everything comes up ok.
Let us know how it goes. Here's hoping that it's nothing more than just some extra quit motivation.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: saltydawg on August 21, 2015, 11:54:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Well I'm happy that I got my dentist apt scheduled. But yesterday after seeing the dr for a follow up he has ordered me a biopsy to be done on my top lip. I will be going to a specialist on wed of next week. Can't lie it is a little worrisome but I've made my choices in the past all I can do is keep bettering myself for the future. Sure hope everything comes up ok.
Let us know how it goes. Here's hoping that it's nothing more than just some extra quit motivation.
Will keep yall posted. Definitely a lot of worrying kicking in at the moment. Right when I was starting to think everything's going great this happens. But I'm going to keep my head in the game and have good thoughts.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 22, 2015, 05:41:00 AM
Quote from: saltydawg
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: saltydawg
Well I'm happy that I got my dentist apt scheduled. But yesterday after seeing the dr for a follow up he has ordered me a biopsy to be done on my top lip. I will be going to a specialist on wed of next week. Can't lie it is a little worrisome but I've made my choices in the past all I can do is keep bettering myself for the future. Sure hope everything comes up ok.
Let us know how it goes. Here's hoping that it's nothing more than just some extra quit motivation.
Will keep yall posted. Definitely a lot of worrying kicking in at the moment. Right when I was starting to think everything's going great this happens. But I'm going to keep my head in the game and have good thoughts.
Regardless of whatever the outcome is, quit is a much better place to face it from.

Quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on August 23, 2015, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
It's not just baseball; NFL has a smokeless tobacco habit, too
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463 ... t-baseball (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463209/nfl-smokeless-tobacco-habit-too-not-just-baseball)
They call it a "habit" 9 times in that story. "Helps 'em focus." Drives me nuts.

Guess I never thought about it but we've been watching Hard Knocks and you can see that it is prevalent.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on August 23, 2015, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Gman101
Hey everyone, I just quit dipping about 4 days ago and so far so good. What does everybody do to fight the nicotine cravings and what can I expect when quitting?
Hi GMan, welcome to KTC.

4 Days! WAY TO GO! now the nasty nicotine is out of your system, and some of the worst symptoms and cravings have already passed.

Personally, I had panic attacks, and anxiety. Make sure you have a really good support network, family, friends, and NEVER GIVE IN.

The physical cravings weren't nearly as bad as the 'If I keep dipping I won't feel like this' there were some days I felt like shit, others on top of the world. For me (and I'm speaking for me only) it was an emotional roller coaster, but it DOES get better.

It takes 6-12 weeks for your brain to rewire itself from that nasty shit, but EVERY DAY is a step forward. You will be you again. Day 44 here, and I'm still chugging along. I've noticed the shitty feel time is at a minimum, and it's totally mental, not physical. YOU control it. I literally say 'FK YOU, NO. NOT TODAY' and control it.

A lot of people use jerky, seeds, mints, or herbal chew. I used all, didn't really need it (lol ok maybe the mints...). I felt shitty and just wanted to be me. Drink lots of water, and post roll. In the case you do feel anxious or panic attacky (yes I made that word) try meditating, and deep breathing. Anxiety, depression, and panic attacks are VERY VERY COMMON, as an update, I was freaking out thinking I was going to die, and the doctor said I'm very healthy, blood pressure, blood count, everything is optimum (I workout a lot, always have, dip was a nasty crutch) but no effects other than the mental game. There IS light. You'll be fine.


I haven't been around here long, but the guys will show you how it's done.

Excellent move on quitting dude. From experience, you will NOT be sorry. Hell, I'm sorry I even picked up that can, but I'm proud of myself for putting it behind me permanently.

We're proud of you, welcome to KTC!

PS. Look up dip fog, if you feel fuzzy it's common. I did :) it also goes away.

once again, congrats!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolan on August 31, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on August 31, 2015, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on August 31, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Raider on September 01, 2015, 01:30:00 AM
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nolan on September 03, 2015, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on September 03, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: Nolan
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Maybe this time you want to take us up on our offer to post roll? Every guy that posted support for you in here has done so, and not one of us has "already failed" because we don't "really hope it works out." We quit. Period. Today I will not cave because I gave my word to the guys and gals on this site that I would not do so. At first, this seems bizarre, but I guarantee that if you get out of your own way long enough to see that the grass is so much greener on this side, you won't regret it.

Now man up and do this thing Nolan. You have everything you need right in front of your eyes, and it does not include a cancerous weed.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on September 03, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: Nolan
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Maybe this time you want to take us up on our offer to post roll? Every guy that posted support for you in here has done so, and not one of us has "already failed" because we don't "really hope it works out." We quit. Period. Today I will not cave because I gave my word to the guys and gals on this site that I would not do so. At first, this seems bizarre, but I guarantee that if you get out of your own way long enough to see that the grass is so much greener on this side, you won't regret it.

Now man up and do this thing Nolan. You have everything you need right in front of your eyes, and it does not include a cancerous weed.
What's so special about the 7th? You know its the 3rd right? You know that if you quit today you'd already be on day 5 by the time the 7th rolled around? The nicotine that's flowing through your veins would be out of your system.

This is addict talk. We know it because we used to spew the same bullshit.

You're not ready. When you are come on back. Till then you're wasting your (and our) time.

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 03, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: Nolan
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Maybe this time you want to take us up on our offer to post roll? Every guy that posted support for you in here has done so, and not one of us has "already failed" because we don't "really hope it works out." We quit. Period. Today I will not cave because I gave my word to the guys and gals on this site that I would not do so. At first, this seems bizarre, but I guarantee that if you get out of your own way long enough to see that the grass is so much greener on this side, you won't regret it.

Now man up and do this thing Nolan. You have everything you need right in front of your eyes, and it does not include a cancerous weed.
What's so special about the 7th? You know its the 3rd right? You know that if you quit today you'd already be on day 5 by the time the 7th rolled around? The nicotine that's flowing through your veins would be out of your system.

This is addict talk. We know it because we used to spew the same bullshit.

You're not ready. When you are come on back. Till then you're wasting your (and our) time.

chewie
How about instead of riding that addiction through the holiday weekend, you quit today and get to enjoy your first nic free holiday?

Make a promise. Keep a promise. It really is that simple.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Hubie337 on September 03, 2015, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: Nolan
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Maybe this time you want to take us up on our offer to post roll? Every guy that posted support for you in here has done so, and not one of us has "already failed" because we don't "really hope it works out." We quit. Period. Today I will not cave because I gave my word to the guys and gals on this site that I would not do so. At first, this seems bizarre, but I guarantee that if you get out of your own way long enough to see that the grass is so much greener on this side, you won't regret it.

Now man up and do this thing Nolan. You have everything you need right in front of your eyes, and it does not include a cancerous weed.
What's so special about the 7th? You know its the 3rd right? You know that if you quit today you'd already be on day 5 by the time the 7th rolled around? The nicotine that's flowing through your veins would be out of your system.

This is addict talk. We know it because we used to spew the same bullshit.

You're not ready. When you are come on back. Till then you're wasting your (and our) time.

chewie
How about instead of riding that addiction through the holiday weekend, you quit today and get to enjoy your first nic free holiday?

Make a promise. Keep a promise. It really is that simple.
Yeah, I am with Chewie. I always found a reason to quit tomorrow until I found this place, posted my first roll and took a look in the mirror. Its always easier to quit later because it never comes.

Hubie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 03, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: Hubie337
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: Nolan
Quote from: Raider
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Nolan
What's up everyone, quitting today after about 18 years of dipping a can a day. My biggest worry is I won't enjoy the things I like to do as much without dip. Like fishing, shooting, road trips...eat. Anyone have any wisdom on that?
Welcome! You're making the best decision of your life.

If today is your first day nicotine free, head on over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That will be your quit group. Check out the last roll post for how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and make a promise to be nicotine free today.

The fear of not enjoying things without dip is nothing but pure addict brain. It is how nicotine convinces ourselves to keep poisoning ourselves day in and day out. For me, lots of things I used to do while dipping are actually more enjoyable. For starters, I don't have to worry about making sure I have enough dip on hand. Second, I was a ninja dipper so I was always looking over my shoulder to make sure I wouldn't get caught.

Trust me, you're not going to miss those little crumbs of cat turd in your car seats, the nasty spitters that sat in the sun too long, that spit that didn't quite leave cleanly and now you're playing it off like you didn't just spit on yourself.
Get hooked up in this community Nolan. I know it probably sounds weird to you, but this place can honestly be the life ring you've been looking for. You have to do the heavy lifting, but the support and accountability around these parts have made all the difference for me. You will see after a few days how you don't need dip to enjoy your life activities. I'm telling you, the freedom that you will begin to enjoy when you put that stuff down once and for all is exhilarating. Post roll with December and the support will come rushing towards you.

Life or death, Nolan, you choose.
Here is what I say about your situation. I LOVE fishing, road trips, etc (haven't gone shooting in a long time) so much better being nicotine free. Just think, no more emergency runs to the store to pick up a can. I am able to spend more money on fishing stuff now that I am not giving big tobacco a damn cent. Join the club. The cost of admission is posting roll daily and being a man of your word. Pretty simple
Thanks a lot everybody, hate to say it but I already failed. I'm not giving up though. I'll be starting my quit on the 7th!! I really hope it works out!
Maybe this time you want to take us up on our offer to post roll? Every guy that posted support for you in here has done so, and not one of us has "already failed" because we don't "really hope it works out." We quit. Period. Today I will not cave because I gave my word to the guys and gals on this site that I would not do so. At first, this seems bizarre, but I guarantee that if you get out of your own way long enough to see that the grass is so much greener on this side, you won't regret it.

Now man up and do this thing Nolan. You have everything you need right in front of your eyes, and it does not include a cancerous weed.
What's so special about the 7th? You know its the 3rd right? You know that if you quit today you'd already be on day 5 by the time the 7th rolled around? The nicotine that's flowing through your veins would be out of your system.

This is addict talk. We know it because we used to spew the same bullshit.

You're not ready. When you are come on back. Till then you're wasting your (and our) time.

chewie
How about instead of riding that addiction through the holiday weekend, you quit today and get to enjoy your first nic free holiday?

Make a promise. Keep a promise. It really is that simple.
Yeah, I am with Chewie. I always found a reason to quit tomorrow until I found this place, posted my first roll and took a look in the mirror. Its always easier to quit later because it never comes.

Hubie
Never met a quitter that looked back and said, "You know, I really should have waited a few more days before I quit."
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JBird on September 04, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
Today is day 1 of my quit. A lot anxious. Been chewing for 22 years, about 2 - 3 cans a week. I did quit 8 years ago for about six months. Wish that would have lasted, but I succumbed to the pressure of work at the end of summer and before you knew it, i popped a dip in. Thought i could be a casual user....yah right. Ya know, only a couple of chews a day sort of as a reward. A reward for what...I have no idea. so hear I am. Been struggling for a bit in my head for a few weeks about quitting. I started cutting back. My last can lasted me 9 days. This morning I threw my can of Kodiak out. Wish me Luck...I will be in touch.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on September 04, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: JBird
Today is day 1 of my quit. A lot anxious. Been chewing for 22 years, about 2 - 3 cans a week. I did quit 8 years ago for about six months. Wish that would have lasted, but I succumbed to the pressure of work at the end of summer and before you knew it, i popped a dip in. Thought i could be a casual user....yah right. Ya know, only a couple of chews a day sort of as a reward. A reward for what...I have no idea. so hear I am. Been struggling for a bit in my head for a few weeks about quitting. I started cutting back. My last can lasted me 9 days. This morning I threw my can of Kodiak out. Wish me Luck...I will be in touch.
You don't need luck, and I don't believe you'll "be in touch." This site has helped change my life because I put as much into quitting as I used to put into dipping. We've all put off quitting til "tomorrow" too many times, and you and I know that tomorrow never comes. Without the accountability of this site, what is going to keep you from heading to the c-store after work today?

Go to the welcome center: forum/55560/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)

Read up on how/why/when/what we do here to make sure we stay quit for one day at a time. After reading that, head over to the December 2015 group and post roll. You will be amazed at the outpouring of support you get when you make that promise to them and yourself that you will not use nicotine today. It's incredibly empowering and you will see that this feat is possible. Do it now, don't check in with us later.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JBird on September 04, 2015, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: JBird
Today is day 1 of my quit. A lot anxious. Been chewing for 22 years, about 2 - 3 cans a week. I did quit 8 years ago for about six months. Wish that would have lasted, but I succumbed to the pressure of work at the end of summer and before you knew it, i popped a dip in. Thought i could be a casual user....yah right. Ya know, only a couple of chews a day sort of as a reward. A reward for what...I have no idea. so hear I am. Been struggling for a bit in my head for a few weeks about quitting. I started cutting back. My last can lasted me 9 days. This morning I threw my can of Kodiak out. Wish me Luck...I will be in touch.
OMG. The last hour has been hell. I don't remember it being this bad the last time.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 04, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: JBird
Quote from: JBird
Today is day 1 of my quit. A lot anxious. Been chewing for 22 years, about 2 - 3 cans a week. I did quit 8 years ago for about six months. Wish that would have lasted, but I succumbed to the pressure of work at the end of summer and before you knew it, i popped a dip in. Thought i could be a casual user....yah right. Ya know, only a couple of chews a day sort of as a reward. A reward for what...I have no idea. so hear I am. Been struggling for a bit in my head for a few weeks about quitting. I started cutting back. My last can lasted me 9 days. This morning I threw my can of Kodiak out. Wish me Luck...I will be in touch.
OMG. The last hour has been hell. I don't remember it being this bad the last time.
Embrace the suck, post roll and drink tons of water.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on September 04, 2015, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: JBird
Quote from: JBird
Today is day 1 of my quit. A lot anxious. Been chewing for 22 years, about 2 - 3 cans a week. I did quit 8 years ago for about six months. Wish that would have lasted, but I succumbed to the pressure of work at the end of summer and before you knew it, i popped a dip in. Thought i could be a casual user....yah right. Ya know, only a couple of chews a day sort of as a reward. A reward for what...I have no idea. so hear I am. Been struggling for a bit in my head for a few weeks about quitting. I started cutting back. My last can lasted me 9 days. This morning I threw my can of Kodiak out. Wish me Luck...I will be in touch.
OMG. The last hour has been hell. I don't remember it being this bad the last time.
Embrace the suck, post roll and drink tons of water.
It'll suck til it doesn't. It's the price you have to pay for poisoning yourself. That being said, every day you stay quit is another day of freedom, even if it sucks.

Your worst day of quitting is better than your best day dipping.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kize on September 04, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
I'm on day 22. I'm still having some crappy days but it has gotten better. And it's better than dipping the poison. Today's my daughters birthday so I'm staying focused on the blessings in my life. Hang in there.....better days to come
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JBird on September 07, 2015, 11:34:00 AM
On Day 4. The nic should be gone, but the cravings remain. This is not easy. Trying to retrain my brain. I am so used to putting a dip in during various activities, including work...which is where I'm at right now. On day 3, my cravings were aweful in the afternoon, but mostly went away at night. I finally told the kids last night what i was up to and going through. They're ecstatic. I didn't want to tell them too soon, in case I caved, couldn't quit this time and felt like a real dissapointment. This website and support group keeps me going when I feel the cravings and feel like shit. I turn to it and keep plowing forward.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Xcopeman on September 07, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
I am with you. Day 4 for me and I have certainly had the ups and downs. I have finally admitted to myself that I am an addict. I will always be a recovering dipper. I just keep believing that I cannot have another dip. Previous attempts to quit have been unsuccessful because I wasn't doing it for myself. I was always looking for a way to sneak a chew her and there. No more! Though I may crave, I will not cave. I tell myself that all day every day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bigcat on September 07, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Sometimes when it gets bad in the beginning I was quitting for 15 minutes at a time. I broke it down to time frames I knew I could win.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: LA_deskdog on September 08, 2015, 08:46:00 AM
Good news...
City of Los Angeles is taking up a plan to ban smokeless tobacco from all baseball fields. This would include parks, schools and even Dodgers Stadium.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: FamilyMan2015 on September 08, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Where is roll call for Sept 2015 located?

Thanks,

Day 1
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 08, 2015, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: FamilyMan2015
Where is roll call for Sept 2015 located?

Thanks,

Day 1
Congrats on your day 1!

You'll actually be posting roll with December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). The month is based on when you'll reach 100 days and join our hall of fame.

Mosey on over to December, get yourself on roll, and take a moment to introduce yourself. Drink lots of water and hold on tight. The first few days can be rough. But, you'll only have to do them once.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Chris1rt on September 08, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
About to finish Day #5. Cravings are there but gum has helped. I decided to quit after being sick with canker sores for 3 days. I had no desire to chew during that time. So I figured the nicotine had left my system, so why not continue. So far not too bad. I was a can and a 1/2 a week for many years. After my last quit, I turned to pouches which was way too convenient and often left in my mouth for hours. Glad I decided to stop again. This group is great! Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 08, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
Quote from: Chris1rt
About to finish Day #5. Cravings are there but gum has helped. I decided to quit after being sick with canker sores for 3 days. I had no desire to chew during that time. So I figured the nicotine had left my system, so why not continue. So far not too bad. I was a can and a 1/2 a week for many years. After my last quit, I turned to pouches which was way too convenient and often left in my mouth for hours. Glad I decided to stop again. This group is great! Good luck everyone!
Welcome aboard! Way to seize the opportunity and run with it.

I'd recommend heading over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/) and post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50). Take a look around and introduce yourself.

One thing I'd say is, you didn't stop again. Your "last quit" was just a stoppage. This time, you can be quit by being quit today. Tomorrow, you can quit then. Just make a promise not to use nicotine for that day, one day at a time, every damn day, and you are quit. No luck required. Just keeping a promise.

You can keep a promise right?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jaker on September 09, 2015, 03:08:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJrKw9GV5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJrKw9GV5s)

this is a pretty tough video to watch and it is long but it is super helpful and adds some perspective. please take some time to watch at least some of it. it has definitely fueled my quit today.

i also learned that Gruen Von Behrens the speaker in this video recently lost his battle with cancer. keep him and his family in your thoughts and prayers as we all continue to battle what has killed this man.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on September 09, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
Rest In Peace Gruen VonBehrens
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/09/rest ... onbehrens/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/09/rest-in-peace-gruen-vonbehrens/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Rusty1959 on September 09, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
Hope I'm posting this correctly and in the right spot. This is my 21st day and finally figured out how to do roll call yesterday (I think). Anyway, for the first time in nearly 40 years Skoal isn't the first thing I think about when I get up in the morning. When I want to dip I just think of my 15 month old grandson and know I don't want him to see me or smell my breath with that crap in my mouth. I know my wife is pleased as well. We just moved to Florida to be near the grandkids and to start a new business. The cost of chew in Florida is crazy high. Like $7 can!!! Another reason to quit. The cravings are not near as bad but I know I am not out of the woods yet (may never be) My question for you long time quitters: I feel like crap! I am super tired by 9:00 PM, diarrhea, head doesn't hurt but just feel's blah. I feel anxious and shaky. Is this normal nicotine withdrawal?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 09, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rusty1959
Hope I'm posting this correctly and in the right spot. This is my 21st day and finally figured out how to do roll call yesterday (I think). Anyway, for the first time in nearly 40 years Skoal isn't the first thing I think about when I get up in the morning. When I want to dip I just think of my 15 month old grandson and know I don't want him to see me or smell my breath with that crap in my mouth. I know my wife is pleased as well. We just moved to Florida to be near the grandkids and to start a new business. The cost of chew in Florida is crazy high. Like $7 can!!! Another reason to quit. The cravings are not near as bad but I know I am not out of the woods yet (may never be) My question for you long time quitters: I feel like crap! I am super tired by 9:00 PM, diarrhea, head doesn't hurt but just feel's blah. I feel anxious and shaky. Is this normal nicotine withdrawal?
Rusty, 21 days kicks ass. Your system is still adjusting to operate without nicotine. The tired , blah, anxious and occasional shaky I went through as well. It is a bit different for everyone.

You may want to post it in your quit group (more traffic, better responses).

You also might want to look around the site. The General KTC home page has some info on what to expect when quitting (not sure how to link it here).

As with anything, if it gets bad see a doctor  let them know what you are doing. (Just don't go on NRT).
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 09, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Rusty1959
Hope I'm posting this correctly and in the right spot. This is my 21st day and finally figured out how to do roll call yesterday (I think). Anyway, for the first time in nearly 40 years Skoal isn't the first thing I think about when I get up in the morning. When I want to dip I just think of my 15 month old grandson and know I don't want him to see me or smell my breath with that crap in my mouth. I know my wife is pleased as well. We just moved to Florida to be near the grandkids and to start a new business. The cost of chew in Florida is crazy high. Like $7 can!!! Another reason to quit. The cravings are not near as bad but I know I am not out of the woods yet (may never be) My question for you long time quitters: I feel like crap! I am super tired by 9:00 PM, diarrhea, head doesn't hurt but just feel's blah. I feel anxious and shaky. Is this normal nicotine withdrawal?
Rusty, 21 days kicks ass. Your system is still adjusting to operate without nicotine. The tired , blah, anxious and occasional shaky I went through as well. It is a bit different for everyone.

You may want to post it in your quit group (more traffic, better responses).

You also might want to look around the site. The General KTC home page has some info on what to expect when quitting (not sure how to link it here).

As with anything, if it gets bad see a doctor  let them know what you are doing. (Just don't go on NRT).
^^^ Well done, rusty.
I would recommend getting active on the site, read intros, hall of fame stories and BS in the wildcard section.
Invest in your quit daily and repeat!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Rusty1959 on September 09, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Thanks guys, having difficult time navigating the site, maybe because I am an old guy :) I do catch myself being able to smile at others without curling the bottom lip. I will try to spend more time on here as time allows. I am gonna do this. Don't want to waste the good start. Stressful business related day tomorrow so wish me well.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 10, 2015, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rusty1959
Thanks guys, having difficult time navigating the site, maybe because I am an old guy :) I do catch myself being able to smile at others without curling the bottom lip. I will try to spend more time on here as time allows. I am gonna do this. Don't want to waste the good start. Stressful business related day tomorrow so wish me well.
Practice makes perfect, did you post roll this AM, Stress is not an excuse to cave or not post.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: felson33 on September 10, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
Quit 4 days ago. Dipped Mint Skoal pretty much exclusivley for 20 years with the last 4 years at about 1/2-1 can per day. It's going surprisingly well and i even watched to NFL opener NE vs Pittsburgh nicotine free! Actually, tonight was the hardest night. A couple of things i have noticed physically so far from quitting. One is that i have a bad taste in my mouth and a sore throat and the other is that my blood pressure and heart rate have plummeted. I have basically lived half of my life artificially inflating those important vital signs by injesting a constant stream of a stimulant into my system. This is what i am really keying in on from a health standpoint to keep me motivated. The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math. No, for me my heart is where it's at. I workout, cardio and weight lifting, 5 days a week yet i have always had blood pressure that was slightly high, usually around 130/90. I always kind of thought the nicotine may be to blame because it's the only thing that made any sense. Sure enough, I have taken my BP that last 2 days and it was 102/69 both times. Never has it been anywhere near that low in my life. It has to be a result of quitting dip. All those years i have been putting undue strain on my entire circulatory system and making it work harder than it needed to is very frustrating but at the same time I will be using those numbers(and my better performances running) to keep my motivated. I hope.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 11, 2015, 02:19:00 AM
Quote from: felson33
Quit 4 days ago. Dipped Mint Skoal pretty much exclusivley for 20 years with the last 4 years at about 1/2-1 can per day. It's going surprisingly well and i even watched to NFL opener NE vs Pittsburgh nicotine free! Actually, tonight was the hardest night. A couple of things i have noticed physically so far from quitting. One is that i have a bad taste in my mouth and a sore throat and the other is that my blood pressure and heart rate have plummeted. I have basically lived half of my life artificially inflating those important vital signs by injesting a constant stream of a stimulant into my system. This is what i am really keying in on from a health standpoint to keep me motivated. The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math. No, for me my heart is where it's at. I workout, cardio and weight lifting, 5 days a week yet i have always had blood pressure that was slightly high, usually around 130/90. I always kind of thought the nicotine may be to blame because it's the only thing that made any sense. Sure enough, I have taken my BP that last 2 days and it was 102/69 both times. Never has it been anywhere near that low in my life. It has to be a result of quitting dip. All those years i have been putting undue strain on my entire circulatory system and making it work harder than it needed to is very frustrating but at the same time I will be using those numbers(and my better performances running) to keep my motivated. I hope.
Welcome!

It looks like you already found your quit group, December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). Take a look at how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and join us in making a promise to remain nicotine free today.

The taste stuff along with sore mouth and throat is part of the change. The chemistry and ecosystem of your mouth is going through a pretty significant change right now. I was a ninja dipper, so most the time I gut my spit. I think that contributed to my throat being a bit sore when I quit. If it doesn't go away in a bit, go see a doctor though. Or go see one now. Depsite my username, I'm not an M.D., not even a PhD.

As to the BP and pulse, despite the "calming effect" of nicotine, it actually stimulates your cardiovasular system resulting in elevated BP and pulse rate. I believe that's part of why tobacco use (and really nicotine) leads to increased incidence of heart disease.

I used to crossfit a fair bit. I went from a little dip after a good workout to seeing just how much I could have in my lip while I beat the crap out of my body. I didn't realize it at the time, but my performance went way down. I was short of breath and never seemed to have the gas.

Anyways, welcome aboard! Whatever the reason, quit for you. Make your promise and post roll every day, one day at a time. Wake up, piss and post for best results.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Keja on September 11, 2015, 02:49:00 AM
Quote from: felson33
The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math.
While the chances of getting cancer as a result of smokeless tobacco are slim, is it a stats game you're willing to play? This is one reason why I decided to quit. I didn't just want to be another stat.

All the best. Quit on.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 11, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: felson33
Quit 4 days ago. Dipped Mint Skoal pretty much exclusivley for 20 years with the last 4 years at about 1/2-1 can per day. It's going surprisingly well and i even watched to NFL opener NE vs Pittsburgh nicotine free! Actually, tonight was the hardest night. A couple of things i have noticed physically so far from quitting. One is that i have a bad taste in my mouth and a sore throat and the other is that my blood pressure and heart rate have plummeted. I have basically lived half of my life artificially inflating those important vital signs by injesting a constant stream of a stimulant into my system. This is what i am really keying in on from a health standpoint to keep me motivated. The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math. No, for me my heart is where it's at. I workout, cardio and weight lifting, 5 days a week yet i have always had blood pressure that was slightly high, usually around 130/90. I always kind of thought the nicotine may be to blame because it's the only thing that made any sense. Sure enough, I have taken my BP that last 2 days and it was 102/69 both times. Never has it been anywhere near that low in my life. It has to be a result of quitting dip. All those years i have been putting undue strain on my entire circulatory system and making it work harder than it needed to is very frustrating but at the same time I will be using those numbers(and my better performances running) to keep my motivated. I hope.
Yeah, BP is one benefit of quitting. Your cholesterol should be closer to ideal as well. (at least that worked for me).

I think the sore throat and bad taste will clear up over time (perhaps see a dentist?).

Anyway you look at it getting healthier is a better way to go than poisoning yourself with tobacco.

I urge you to head over to the December 15 quit group, say hello, and start posting roll every day and building accountability and relationships to help you stay on track. Everyone here has stopped for a week or month many times -- only to go back to the dip. Give yourself the best chance at keeping your health by teaming with like minded quitters to get each other through the rough spots which come along in the flow of life.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 11, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: Keja
Quote from: felson33
The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math.
While the chances of getting cancer as a result of smokeless tobacco are slim, is it a stats game you're willing to play? This is one reason why I decided to quit. I didn't just want to be another stat.

All the best. Quit on.
^^^ agreed, what percentage of cancer risk is acceptable to you? 1/100, 1/1,000, 1/10,000, 1/100,000 or reduce that to 0/100 being quit and staying that way?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: felson33 on September 11, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Keja
Quote from: felson33
The cancer stuff never really motivated me to stop because the odds are ridiculously low as there are only about 40,000 case of oral/esophageal in the U.S. each year with the vast majority of those cases coming from smoking/drinking/HPV virus. With over 8 million smokeless tobacco users, I did the math.
While the chances of getting cancer as a result of smokeless tobacco are slim, is it a stats game you're willing to play? This is one reason why I decided to quit. I didn't just want to be another stat.

All the best. Quit on.
^^^ agreed, what percentage of cancer risk is acceptable to you? 1/100, 1/1,000, 1/10,000, 1/100,000 or reduce that to 0/100 being quit and staying that way?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: felson33 on September 11, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
I certainly hear what you're all saying and sure, dipping certainly doesn't improve your odds of not getting cancer. I just prefer the other detrimental effects of tobacco on your health as better motivators to quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 11, 2015, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: felson33
I certainly hear what you're all saying and sure, dipping certainly doesn't improve your odds of not getting cancer. I just prefer the other detrimental effects of tobacco on your health as better motivators to quit.
Whatever motivates your quit is good motivation. Remember to quit each day, stopping for a while doesn't help with detrimental health effects of tobacco / nicotine-- quitting does.

Give yourself the best odds of keeping your quit going today, tomorrow, and onward by posting roll with the December 15 quit group. The public statement, made every morning when you wake up, that you will not use any form of nicotine that day increases your odds of continuing the path of quit you have started. It is continuing the quit that ensures the positive changes in health.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: felson33 on September 11, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: felson33
I certainly hear what you're all saying and sure, dipping certainly doesn't improve your odds of not getting cancer. I just prefer the other detrimental effects of tobacco on your health as better motivators to quit.
Whatever motivates your quit is good motivation. Remember to quit each day, stopping for a while doesn't help with detrimental health effects of tobacco / nicotine-- quitting does.

Give yourself the best odds of keeping your quit going today, tomorrow, and onward by posting roll with the December 15 quit group. The public statement, made every morning when you wake up, that you will not use any form of nicotine that day increases your odds of continuing the path of quit you have started. It is continuing the quit that ensures the positive changes in health.
Yep. I will start the roll call tomorrow. Today was not easy and i will need all the help i can get.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 11, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: felson33
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: felson33
I certainly hear what you're all saying and sure, dipping certainly doesn't improve your odds of not getting cancer. I just prefer the other detrimental effects of tobacco on your health as better motivators to quit.
Whatever motivates your quit is good motivation. Remember to quit each day, stopping for a while doesn't help with detrimental health effects of tobacco / nicotine-- quitting does.

Give yourself the best odds of keeping your quit going today, tomorrow, and onward by posting roll with the December 15 quit group. The public statement, made every morning when you wake up, that you will not use any form of nicotine that day increases your odds of continuing the path of quit you have started. It is continuing the quit that ensures the positive changes in health.
Yep. I will start the roll call tomorrow. Today was not easy and i will need all the help i can get.
It's late, but better late than never. Why not go ahead and post up now for 9/11?

You'll have all the kinks worked out for when you post first thing tomorrow on 9/12. No time like the present and all.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on September 14, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: felson33
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: felson33
I certainly hear what you're all saying and sure, dipping certainly doesn't improve your odds of not getting cancer. I just prefer the other detrimental effects of tobacco on your health as better motivators to quit.
Whatever motivates your quit is good motivation. Remember to quit each day, stopping for a while doesn't help with detrimental health effects of tobacco / nicotine-- quitting does.

Give yourself the best odds of keeping your quit going today, tomorrow, and onward by posting roll with the December 15 quit group. The public statement, made every morning when you wake up, that you will not use any form of nicotine that day increases your odds of continuing the path of quit you have started. It is continuing the quit that ensures the positive changes in health.
Yep. I will start the roll call tomorrow. Today was not easy and i will need all the help i can get.
It's late, but better late than never. Why not go ahead and post up now for 9/11?

You'll have all the kinks worked out for when you post first thing tomorrow on 9/12. No time like the present and all.
I did all the research on the cancer stuff when I was still a slave and came to the same conclusion about the "stats"--and I think it was my addict brain speaking.

I particularly liked that study from Sweden or wherever the hell it was.

Whatever the hell I could tell myself that it was OK to continue being subservient to Copenhagen.

It was hard to ignore the baseball players that had died because of it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 14, 2015, 02:28:00 PM
Hello fellas. Names Ray.

I joined this site last January of February 2014 and made it a week or so until I ended up in the hospital. I wasn't able to make roll and when I got out of the hospital I caved.

I have tried to stop dipping a couple times since then. Every time I try I start out strong. Hours in I begin wearing down. The shakes start, the cold sweats start, not long after I begin actually convulsing to the point of throwing up. Muscles begin to hurt from it and so it goes for a couple days until I can't hack it anymore and I give up. It freaking sucks majorly. I hate the fact that I must have a can of "Dak" on me 24/7 to make me feel better. I use a can every 3 days or so. If only it were as easy as when i quit smoking. I was a 3 pack per day smoker for 15 plus years.

Anyhow, enough of me boo hooing. I need to get off my ass and do something about it. I really appreciate this site posting on Facebook. Every day I look at my FB page and there is a nice post for KTC and it reminds me of how much I need to get off my ass and say "No more". I WILL slay this beast one way or the other.

Take care and I shall see you all in roll call soon...er than later. And for the record, I just changed my home page to KTC so there is no excuse for me not to be here daily.

Ray
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 14, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hello fellas. Names Ray.

I joined this site last January of February 2014 and made it a week or so until I ended up in the hospital. I wasn't able to make roll and when I got out of the hospital I caved.

I have tried to stop dipping a couple times since then. Every time I try I start out strong. Hours in I begin wearing down. The shakes start, the cold sweats start, not long after I begin actually convulsing to the point of throwing up. Muscles begin to hurt from it and so it goes for a couple days until I can't hack it anymore and I give up. It freaking sucks majorly. I hate the fact that I must have a can of "Dak" on me 24/7 to make me feel better. I use a can every 3 days or so. If only it were as easy as when i quit smoking. I was a 3 pack per day smoker for 15 plus years.

Anyhow, enough of me boo hooing. I need to get off my ass and do something about it. I really appreciate this site posting on Facebook. Every day I look at my FB page and there is a nice post for KTC and it reminds me of how much I need to get off my ass and say "No more". I WILL slay this beast one way or the other.

Take care and I shall see you all in roll call soon...er than later. And for the record, I just changed my home page to KTC so there is no excuse for me not to be here daily.

Ray
Sounds like you get a strong suck going. Also sounds like your health would be much improved by a quit that lasted past the suck.

Best bet, exchange digits right away. Then if you end up in the hospital, you can text in your roll post every day and keep the quit in your mind for when you get out. At that point you are past the worst, and fellow quitters can talk you through the craving to stay quit that day, then the next.

Hope to see you on a roll soon.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 15, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Thanks for the reply NoMore.

Yeah the suck sure does suck bad but its not anything anyone here has not been through I suppose. My issue is just giving up the the addiction and saying no more. I just need to toss the dip in the toilet and start taking my valiums I have on hand to get me through the major part of the suck. I REALLY need to quit and stay quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 15, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Thanks for the reply NoMore.

Yeah the suck sure does suck bad but its not anything anyone here has not been through I suppose. My issue is just giving up the the addiction and saying no more. I just need to toss the dip in the toilet and start taking my valiums I have on hand to get me through the major part of the suck. I REALLY need to quit and stay quit.
It sounds like you have pretty strong withdrawal symptoms. Before self medicating, can I strongly suggest that you talk to your doctor about quitting nicotine?

I'm all for holding on to the sack nice and tight and quitting cold turkey. I have my opinions on the usefulness of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT, e.g. patches, gum, etc.) and have heard both positive and negative stories about prescription cessation products like Chantix. Bottom line though, if you're to the point where you need something like valium to quit, I strongly suggest you do so under the watchful eye of a physician.

For the record, despite the handle, I am not an M.D., and I am not qualified to give medical advice. Hence, the suggestion to go talk to your doctor.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 15, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Not a bad idea to talk to doc about it. I did once and he shot me down on chantix due to me taking 3 other anti depressants. Another thing he is worried about is the weight gain. I already tip the scale at 385.

Appreciate the reply.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 15, 2015, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Thanks for the reply NoMore.

Yeah the suck sure does suck bad but its not anything anyone here has not been through I suppose. My issue is just giving up the the addiction and saying no more. I just need to toss the dip in the toilet and start taking my valiums I have on hand to get me through the major part of the suck. I REALLY need to quit and stay quit.
It sounds like you have pretty strong withdrawal symptoms. Before self medicating, can I strongly suggest that you talk to your doctor about quitting nicotine?

I'm all for holding on to the sack nice and tight and quitting cold turkey. I have my opinions on the usefulness of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT, e.g. patches, gum, etc.) and have heard both positive and negative stories about prescription cessation products like Chantix. Bottom line though, if you're to the point where you need something like valium to quit, I strongly suggest you do so under the watchful eye of a physician.

For the record, despite the handle, I am not an M.D., and I am not qualified to give medical advice. Hence, the suggestion to go talk to your doctor.
I will tell you one thing, Chew and Nicotine, won't help anything. The addition was hiding some underlying issues, stay quit and get help for the others.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 15, 2015, 07:11:00 PM
I am inclined to agree. The nic and chew will do no good. I will be calling doc in the morn and getting this ball rolling.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 15, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
I am inclined to agree. The nic and chew will do no good. I will be calling doc in the morn and getting this ball rolling.
Good on ya' man!

The weight stuff is manageable. A lot of folks swear by some sort of physical activity to help with craves and anxiety. Doing some form of motion in lieu of reaching for candy can help a bunch.

Again, not a doctor, but I can't imagine that a couple more pounds temporarily at this point isn't offset by no longer jacking your cardiovascular system up by pumping it full of nicotine all day every day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gilldawg79 on September 15, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
New to the group and 24 hours nicotine free. This is so tough. I'm gonna miss it, but I'm ready to rid myself of this habit.

What are the rules here regarding quitting aids? My work has all sorts of help available and I'd like to utilize it, if it's free and worthy. However, there's some satisfaction from going cold turkey.

I feel like I have drank 10 5 hour energy drinks. It's insane how amped up I am......

Jimmy G
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 15, 2015, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: gilldawg79
New to the group and 24 hours nicotine free. This is so tough. I'm gonna miss it, but I'm ready to rid myself of this habit.

What are the rules here regarding quitting aids? My work has all sorts of help available and I'd like to utilize it, if it's free and worthy. However, there's some satisfaction from going cold turkey.

I feel like I have drank 10 5 hour energy drinks. It's insane how amped up I am......

Jimmy G
Welcome aboard!

Believe me, you aren't going to miss a thing. There is absolutely nothing worth missing about shoving crap in your lip day after day.

As far as what your work offers, the only rule is that we are nicotine free. So no posting in quit groups while using nicotine replacement therapy (NRT, e.g. patches, gum). If your work offers coaching, etc, go for it.

The way this place works is:
1) Each day, post a promise to be nicotine free for the day.
2) Keep your promise.
Repeat one day at a time (ODAAT) every damn day (EDD). Wake-up, piss, and post (WUPP) for best results.

I'd suggest heading over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That's your quit group. Take a look at how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) and then make your promise.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 15, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: gilldawg79
New to the group and 24 hours nicotine free. This is so tough. I'm gonna miss it, but I'm ready to rid myself of this habit.

What are the rules here regarding quitting aids? My work has all sorts of help available and I'd like to utilize it, if it's free and worthy. However, there's some satisfaction from going cold turkey.

I feel like I have drank 10 5 hour energy drinks. It's insane how amped up I am......

Jimmy G
Welcome aboard!

Believe me, you aren't going to miss a thing. There is absolutely nothing worth missing about shoving crap in your lip day after day.

As far as what your work offers, the only rule is that we are nicotine free. So no posting in quit groups while using nicotine replacement therapy (NRT, e.g. patches, gum). If your work offers coaching, etc, go for it.

The way this place works is:
1) Each day, post a promise to be nicotine free for the day.
2) Keep your promise.
Repeat one day at a time (ODAAT) every damn day (EDD). Wake-up, piss, and post (WUPP) for best results.

I'd suggest heading over to December 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11293904/). That's your quit group. Take a look at how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) and then make your promise.
Chewing your finger nails is a habit. We are nicotine addicts, don't believe me, start on this journey and you will find out how strong and far nicotine's tentacles reach. But the good news, we are beating it each day!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Paul F on September 17, 2015, 12:37:00 AM
I haven't posted since 95 days ago, but holy shit, I made it through day 100. I feel bad for not consistently posting my experience on this site, as it helped me SOOO much the first week of quitting. I guess it was my way of distancing myself from dip - not wanting to think about or talk about it. But I made it and I don't plan on dipping in the future!

So thank you KillTheCan for all the support - especially during the fog. Once I fought through each trigger , it got easier and easier to quit. I rarely think about it anymore.

So I guess I'm in the HOF And damn it went by way quicker than I thought! If you're struggling out there BE A MAN and keep fighting through the urges to dip!!!!! You'll thank yourself in the long run, and loved ones will notice. Best of luck everyone :)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 17, 2015, 01:15:00 AM
Quote from: Paul
I haven't posted since 95 days ago, but holy shit, I made it through day 100. I feel bad for not consistently posting my experience on this site, as it helped me SOOO much the first week of quitting. I guess it was my way of distancing myself from dip - not wanting to think about or talk about it. But I made it and I don't plan on dipping in the future!

So thank you KillTheCan for all the support - especially during the fog. Once I fought through each trigger , it got easier and easier to quit. I rarely think about it anymore.

So I guess I'm in the HOF And damn it went by way quicker than I thought! If you're struggling out there BE A MAN and keep fighting through the urges to dip!!!!! You'll thank yourself in the long run, and loved ones will notice. Best of luck everyone :)
Congratulations on gutting this out on your own so far! Though, I'm not sure exactly what KTC did for you. It looks like you missed the invite (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9131902&t=10856466) to join in.

It's not too late to start. Check out September 2015 - The Samurai's of Quit (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11155274/). They pulled together an awesome little group. Drop in and introduce yourself.

I'd caution you that at 100 days, you are not cured. The fight is not over. At 259, I still it the occasional craving. It's never to late to build a support network.

Either way, congratulations on being quit!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 17, 2015, 03:59:00 PM
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 17, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 17, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 17, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 17, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
Congrats on your first day of freedom, it will be a long hard road, I tried to quit many times before on my own before I found this site and caved every time after a week. Stick with it. No don't know where to go to post roll. Please advise. First day as a member.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 17, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
Where do I need to go to post roll? New here, day 1. So nice to have support from fellow x-dippers.
This is an awesome site. Glad I found it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 17, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on September 17, 2015, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
Where do I need to go to post roll? New here, day 1. So nice to have support from fellow x-dippers.
This is an awesome site. Glad I found it.
November 2015 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11248831/) is your quit group. Mosey over that way, check out how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/) and get on board. Might take a moment to introduce yourself over there too.

Welcome!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: CavMan83 on September 17, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 20, 2015, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: CavMan83
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.
Hows it going Cope30? Still hanging in there bud?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 20, 2015, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: CavMan83
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.
Hows it going Cope30? Still hanging in there bud?
Yes sir, hate the mind games. Today hasn't been to bad, I still don't feel like I'm earth most of the time but after 30 years of poison I put in my body, what else should I expect. I know I still have a huge battle ahead of me as my body tries to rid itself of the toxins. Not going to cave.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on September 20, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

literally the best thing I ever did.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: skagnetti13 on September 21, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 21, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

literally the best thing I ever did.
It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do anything. The only thing I
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 21, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: skagnetti13
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 21, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal. br /br /I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)br /br /I thought about doing the same. br /br /The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...) br /br /Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again. br /br /I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car. br /br /I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D br /br /I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. br /br /Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked. br /br /If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work. br /br /Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will. br /so when I quit and my body realized no more, br /br /BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY. br /br /(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly. br /br /I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day. br /br /You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away. br /br /Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)br /br /Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it. br /br /Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting. br /br /literally the best thing I ever did. br /br /
It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do something they don't want to. The only thing I can do is be there for them when the decide to quit and get them past this part that I am going through now.
Thanks for the support!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 21, 2015, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on September 22, 2015, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

literally the best thing I ever did.
It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do anything. The only thing I
Yep... that was me. Took myself to the ER twice. Thought I was having a heart attack. It was "just" anxiety due to quitting.

Throw in a massive case of GERD / Acid Reflux that actually got worse when I quit (for a while) and I was a fucking trainwreck.

Hang in there. All of that goes away. You're on the right path!

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 22, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: skagnetti13
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Check your private message!
Quit today and man up!
Don't wait till Friday, we have all been putting off quitting for years. There is always a Friday or tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 22, 2015, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lipripper16 on September 22, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 22, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: lipripper16
Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16
Well what would you rather have? A little depression/anxiety...that will pass, or cancer? The choice for me was simple. Give the shit up and do it today!! The anxiety and depression will pass in time I am quite sure. Just remember how it feels so you never have to feel it again. There is a way to do it.

1. Join your home group and post roll every day. This is a promise to your self and your brothers and sisters that you will not use nic in any way shape or form today. Post early! This helps keep you accountable.
2. Drink water, and lots of it! Help flush this nic out of your system. it will take about 3 days.
3. Keep coming back and posting roll every day over and over again. just keep coming back.

You will need to grow some thick skin too. People here tell it how it is how it will be and how it should be. Tough love!!

So come on and give it a try. Go post roll, do an introduction, and start swapping numbers with people for support. Yeah, swap numbers with total strangers. They are here to help you, so use it!!

Good luck brother! I quit with you today!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 22, 2015, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!
Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 22, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!
Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!
about 16 years cope. Kodiak was my bitch... or should I say I was Kodiaks bitch for almost 16 years. I have not really hit the mind games yet. Im only on day 6 here but day 3 was a royal bitch!!

I have not strayed far from this site the last few days just in case. Nice strong support here. I dont do goo don my own. Kodiak would win for sure and I dont want that. Im sure over time it will get better for me. I am waiting for the fog that everyone speaks of. Now that the nic is out of me it is mind games from here on out.

I recall quitting smoking 12 years ago. The first 3 days sucked and after that it was all mind games. I won that match and am still winning it 12 years later. I can only hope for the same outcome with this quit.

Stay strong brother and I quit with you today!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 23, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!
Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!
about 16 years cope. Kodiak was my bitch... or should I say I was Kodiaks bitch for almost 16 years. I have not really hit the mind games yet. Im only on day 6 here but day 3 was a royal bitch!!

I have not strayed far from this site the last few days just in case. Nice strong support here. I dont do goo don my own. Kodiak would win for sure and I dont want that. Im sure over time it will get better for me. I am waiting for the fog that everyone speaks of. Now that the nic is out of me it is mind games from here on out.

I recall quitting smoking 12 years ago. The first 3 days sucked and after that it was all mind games. I won that match and am still winning it 12 years later. I can only hope for the same outcome with this quit.

Stay strong brother and I quit with you today!!!!!
I couldn't agree more about the support and they tell me this is all normal feelings.
Today I feel like going and getting an MRI just to see if my brain is normal. Hard to stay strong on days like today, but we can't let it win.

Stay strong!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 23, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
You know, I went to bed thinking I was gonna wake up and today would be cool. It is kinda sucking a little bit. Got me a crave going today that won't stop. Kinda sitting here drinking my coffee now and riding out the storm waiting for it to pass.

And MRI ...... Now that would be sweet lol find out what is happening in there.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: skagnetti13 on September 23, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: skagnetti13
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.
Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 23, 2015, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: skagnetti13
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: skagnetti13
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.
Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!
Hi skagnetti13

Your quit date of the 23rd looks right if you took your last dip this morn. You would be in the december quit group. You would need to jump in there and post a day 1. Remember post roll every day and post early. It helps keep you accountable to your self as well as your fellow brethren.

I quit with your brother!

Ray
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 23, 2015, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: skagnetti13
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: skagnetti13
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.
Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!
Hi skagnetti13

Your quit date of the 23rd looks right if you took your last dip this morn. You would be in the december quit group. You would need to jump in there and post a day 1. Remember post roll every day and post early. It helps keep you accountable to your self as well as your fellow brethren.

I quit with your brother!

Ray
A kick in the ass is easy to get around here, but so is support for your quit. Join DjPorkchop in the December 2015 quit group and meet some fellow bad ass quitters!

I love the sound of nicotine flushing down the pipes! I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on September 23, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Quote from: lipripper16
Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16
Yeah dude, the anxiety was fucking WILD.

Literally felt like I was dying, I had the weirdest thoughts, dreams, depression....It was NOT fun at all. I thought I was going crazy. Today was the first day since I quit that I felt great and myself the whole time. No lingering 'what if' no racing thoughts, and I even had a couple cups of coffee :) I kept coming back here asking everyone or freaking out thinking I was going crazy.

Things are looking up.

Every day you're improving, remember that.

Nicotine DESTROYS your adrenals and serotonin receptors... (the things that make you feel good) literally fucks them.

FINALLY feeling normal at day 75. It can only get better.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on September 23, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!
Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!
Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!
DO NOT GIVE IN.

I kept asking myself "Maybe if I go back I can live my life." "I can be normal again" "It won't affect my work" "I'll be able to drink/sleep/live/think/be happy" The mind games, racing thoughts, anxiety and depression were VERY VERY real. I kept wondering if I was going nuts. Today, 9.23.2015, was the first day I felt fantastic. None of the previous lingering anxiety or mind racing. 75 days clean. It will only get better Cope. DO NOT GIVE IN. The panic attacks will not kill you, don't freak out, just breathe, and take control. You're in control.

FUCK THAT.

You will suffer, to get better. We've pummeled ourselves with this trash whether it be a year or 30.

We will pay the ultimate price to be better.

I have a thorough hatred of this shit, and those that created it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gunner72 on September 24, 2015, 07:46:00 AM
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 24, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
Good morning Gunner.

What you are going through is normal as the last physical traces of nicotine wash out of your body 3-4 days into your quit. Time dilation and light headedness are what we call the fog. Nicotine has been messing with your brain for as long as you have been dipping (35 years for me). It takes a while for your brain to rewire into a less fuzzy you once the toxin is gone. As for what you can do:

1. realize you are an addict, like all of us here.

2. start to control your addiction (you have started), get support to succeed.

3. go to the December 2015 quit group, say hello and post roll today. Share phone numbers with fellow quitters. There are a bunch of people at day 1 through 30 who are going through what you are right now. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

4. drink lots of water, exercise, find seeds or fake dip to handle the oral fix without giving in to nicotine. You quit group will have plenty of ideas as well.

The point of posting roll is to promise to yourself, and everyone on this site, that you will not use nicotine in any form for 24 hours. That we can all do. There are days, especially early where getting through the next minute or hour is extremely hard. It is worth it in ways you can't imagine.

I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gunner72 on September 24, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
Good morning Gunner.

What you are going through is normal as the last physical traces of nicotine wash out of your body 3-4 days into your quit. Time dilation and light headedness are what we call the fog. Nicotine has been messing with your brain for as long as you have been dipping (35 years for me). It takes a while for your brain to rewire into a less fuzzy you once the toxin is gone. As for what you can do:

1. realize you are an addict, like all of us here.

2. start to control your addiction (you have started), get support to succeed.

3. go to the December 2015 quit group, say hello and post roll today. Share phone numbers with fellow quitters. There are a bunch of people at day 1 through 30 who are going through what you are right now. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

4. drink lots of water, exercise, find seeds or fake dip to handle the oral fix without giving in to nicotine. You quit group will have plenty of ideas as well.

The point of posting roll is to promise to yourself, and everyone on this site, that you will not use nicotine in any form for 24 hours. That we can all do. There are days, especially early where getting through the next minute or hour is extremely hard. It is worth it in ways you can't imagine.

I quit with you today.
thank you for the message

I never knew what this stuff was doing to me I loved it for 16 years but I have been reading and seeing things on your site that have really been eye openers thanks so much I know its not over but I feel a little better every day that I can say I have quit I honestly feel like I don't want it anymore and im going to make it stay that way
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on September 24, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Gunner72 on September 24, 2015, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 26, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Quote from: Gunner72
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Hi Gunner,

Hang in there it a hell of a ride. Ups and downs, twists and turns in the road ahead all I can say is buckle up hold on an STAY STRONG! DONT CAVE. I'm on day 41 and still have weird feelings, strange feelings!

We are all in this together!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on September 26, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Gunner72
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Hi Gunner,

Hang in there it a hell of a ride. Ups and downs, twists and turns in the road ahead all I can say is buckle up hold on an STAY STRONG! DONT CAVE. I'm on day 41 and still have weird feelings, strange feelings!

We are all in this together!
Yeah, mine ended around day 72. It was like a night and day change, I starated drinking coffee and didn't feel anxious or my mind racing. Stay strong, every day is an improvementioned and you really start to feel well. Make sure you're eating well, avoiding drinking has helped a lot, same with vitamins and lots of water.

Good work so far guys!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on September 26, 2015, 11:41:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Gunner72
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Hi Gunner,

Hang in there it a hell of a ride. Ups and downs, twists and turns in the road ahead all I can say is buckle up hold on an STAY STRONG! DONT CAVE. I'm on day 41 and still have weird feelings, strange feelings!

We are all in this together!
Yeah, mine ended around day 72. It was like a night and day change, I starated drinking coffee and didn't feel anxious or my mind racing. Stay strong, every day is an improvementioned and you really start to feel well. Make sure you're eating well, avoiding drinking has helped a lot, same with vitamins and lots of water.

Good work so far guys!
I'm on 56 and I had a real shitty couple of weeks that kind of took a turn this Friday for the better.

This is the place for support though. You know you are not alone.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on September 27, 2015, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Gunner72
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Hi Gunner,

Hang in there it a hell of a ride. Ups and downs, twists and turns in the road ahead all I can say is buckle up hold on an STAY STRONG! DONT CAVE. I'm on day 41 and still have weird feelings, strange feelings!

We are all in this together!
Yeah, mine ended around day 72. It was like a night and day change, I starated drinking coffee and didn't feel anxious or my mind racing. Stay strong, every day is an improvementioned and you really start to feel well. Make sure you're eating well, avoiding drinking has helped a lot, same with vitamins and lots of water.

Good work so far guys!
I'm on 56 and I had a real shitty couple of weeks that kind of took a turn this Friday for the better.

This is the place for support though. You know you are not alone.
You're not alone. Our bodies are all different, and recover at different rates. Once you have that turn around day, you start to become YOU again.

It is known that anywhere from 6-12 weeks a nicotine user (US) will have more nicotine receptors than a non user, as the brain reverts back into it's normal state.

Remember that we pummeled ourselves with nicotine and numerous other garbage chemicals, our body isn't just freaking out to no nicotine, it doesn't know how to behave without these toxins, because it's so accustomed to it.

It took me weeks to realize this, I thought when I quit everything would be fine and dandy. lol

WRONG.

It does get better, much better. Every day is a step forward. You will be yourself again. Hell, the worst part is over, and you should be on the uphill swing.

From the research I've seen online, It takes 3-12 months to really be normal again (minimal to no anxiety, depression, racing mind, etc.) Just keep thinking positive, breathe, and make sure you talk it out with people. You're not going crazy.

I literally thought I was. I thought I was going nuts.

Like I said, that shit is fucking VILE.

I am quit with you!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dswartz22 on September 28, 2015, 01:10:00 AM
Hello - I am 43 and have been chewing since I was 22 years old. Up until last year, I was successfully able to hide my chewing addiction from my wife for nearly two decades. I have quit numerous times during the last two decades, and have gone months and even a year on a few occasions without a chew. My problem isn't day 1, day 3, or day 10 - its day 199, or day 250. It's that random possessed feeling on any given day that I need to find a chew immediately or I'll explode. I tell myself - "it's just one chew" or "one can" and I'll go back to being a quitter tomorrow... Tomorrow never comes and the next thing I know, I am a sleeve deep into chew with no end game to quit. I am tired of it - the sneaking around for a chew, the health risks, and the pain and disappointment that I have caused for my wife.

Enough is enough.

Dan
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on September 28, 2015, 06:09:00 AM
Quote from: dswartz22
Hello - I am 43 and have been chewing since I was 22 years old. Up until last year, I was successfully able to hide my chewing addiction from my wife for nearly two decades. I have quit numerous times during the last two decades, and have gone months and even a year on a few occasions without a chew. My problem isn't day 1, day 3, or day 10 - its day 199, or day 250. It's that random possessed feeling on any given day that I need to find a chew immediately or I'll explode. I tell myself - "it's just one chew" or "one can" and I'll go back to being a quitter tomorrow... Tomorrow never comes and the next thing I know, I am a sleeve deep into chew with no end game to quit. I am tired of it - the sneaking around for a chew, the health risks, and the pain and disappointment that I have caused for my wife.

Enough is enough.

Dan
Dan, should be no surprise that on a site with 24,000 members your story is fairly common.

ninja dipping to hide from family
stopping for a while, but "one dip won't hurt"
that random crave out of the blue

The quitters here have a plan to deal with that part of addiction: post roll every day (a promise not to use nicotine in any form for 24 hours), repeat daily, share your phone number with fellow quitters and have support ready when that crave hits. As the header says: Brotherhood + Accountability lead to Success.

There is a group of new quitters (many have similar dip histories to you) in the January 2016 quit group. Join them, post roll, support each other past that complacency of a long time without nicotine.

I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Can_I_Kick_It? on September 28, 2015, 08:34:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: dswartz22
Hello - I am 43 and have been chewing since I was 22 years old. Up until last year, I was successfully able to hide my chewing addiction from my wife for nearly two decades. I have quit numerous times during the last two decades, and have gone months and even a year on a few occasions without a chew. My problem isn't day 1, day 3, or day 10 - its day 199, or day 250. It's that random possessed feeling on any given day that I need to find a chew immediately or I'll explode. I tell myself - "it's just one chew" or "one can" and I'll go back to being a quitter tomorrow... Tomorrow never comes and the next thing I know, I am a sleeve deep into chew with no end game to quit. I am tired of it - the sneaking around for a chew, the health risks, and the pain and disappointment that I have caused for my wife.

Enough is enough.

Dan
Dan, should be no surprise that on a site with 24,000 members your story is fairly common.

ninja dipping to hide from family
stopping for a while, but "one dip won't hurt"
that random crave out of the blue

The quitters here have a plan to deal with that part of addiction: post roll every day (a promise not to use nicotine in any form for 24 hours), repeat daily, share your phone number with fellow quitters and have support ready when that crave hits. As the header says: Brotherhood + Accountability lead to Success.

There is a group of new quitters (many have similar dip histories to you) in the January 2016 quit group. Join them, post roll, support each other past that complacency of a long time without nicotine.

I quit with you today.
Dan,

I quit with you today. Let's get thru the next 24 without Nic. He's no good anyway. After that, we'll worry bout the next 24.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Bowfish on September 28, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
My first time to post. I have the same story as most, started chew as a young man and been chewing/dipping for 30 years. With weeks of mental preparation last night was my last chew, today it's gum and the beginning of the nicotine purge (dizzy, foggy, etc...) not looking forward to the withdraws but it will be so worth it when its over. Day 1 and counting!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Can_I_Kick_It? on September 28, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: Bowfish
My first time to post. I have the same story as most, started chew as a young man and been chewing/dipping for 30 years. With weeks of mental preparation last night was my last chew, today it's gum and the beginning of the nicotine purge (dizzy, foggy, etc...) not looking forward to the withdraws but it will be so worth it when its over. Day 1 and counting!
Bowfish,

Adjust your quit date and post roll, my brother.

Today I quit with you. Let's take this walk. Don't let Nic pimp you no more.

Post roll: topic/11341759/16/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11341759/16/#new)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on September 28, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Bowfish and Dan, we need to get you in to the january 16 group. This would be your home quit group. You both need to know you are not alone. So many thousands of others here have the same exact story you have or are very close to it. We know what it is like. We have gone through or are going through the Suck as we speak. There are just a couple things you need to do to beat this nic bitch:

1. post roll today and every day. This is your promise to your self and your group that you will not use today in any way shape or form.
2. Drink plenty of water,chew seeds, or what ever you need to do to fight it.
3. Trade phone numbers with others in your group. These may be your life line one of these days.
4. Wake up tomorrow and do steps 1-3 again.

I quit with you both today!!! Take that first step and post roll. Lets grab our sacs and man up and just do it boys!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jdferguson07 on September 28, 2015, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Bowfish and Dan, we need to get you in to the january 16 group. This would be your home quit group. You both need to know you are not alone. So many thousands of others here have the same exact story you have or are very close to it. We know what it is like. We have gone through or are going through the Suck as we speak. There are just a couple things you need to do to beat this nic bitch:

1. post roll today and every day. This is your promise to your self and your group that you will not use today in any way shape or form.
2. Drink plenty of water,chew seeds, or what ever you need to do to fight it.
3. Trade phone numbers with others in your group. These may be your life line one of these days.
4. Wake up tomorrow and do steps 1-3 again.

I quit with you both today!!! Take that first step and post roll. Lets grab our sacs and man up and just do it boys!!!!
^^ This.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on September 29, 2015, 05:45:00 PM
Great new header Chewie!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on September 29, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
Great new header Chewie!!!
Thank you... but all the accolades should go to our resident header expert Sir Keddy!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on September 30, 2015, 10:20:00 AM
Please chime in!!!

New Blog Post: Seeing The Can As A Reminder
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/09/seei ... -reminder/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/09/seeing-the-can-as-a-reminder/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on September 30, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Gunner72
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Gunner72
Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it
in addition to that, if you can take a walk, get some exercise or some sun, that can help.

Truth is, when shit's bad like that it's as much about passing the time and getting through it as it is about making it better. Time will make it better. What do you do while time is passing? Whatever you can.
thanks man I try and keep busy just to keep my mind off things it comes and goes just ready to get away from work a few days I think that will help some
Hi Gunner,

Hang in there it a hell of a ride. Ups and downs, twists and turns in the road ahead all I can say is buckle up hold on an STAY STRONG! DONT CAVE. I'm on day 41 and still have weird feelings, strange feelings!

We are all in this together!
Yeah, mine ended around day 72. It was like a night and day change, I starated drinking coffee and didn't feel anxious or my mind racing. Stay strong, every day is an improvementioned and you really start to feel well. Make sure you're eating well, avoiding drinking has helped a lot, same with vitamins and lots of water.

Good work so far guys!
I'm on 56 and I had a real shitty couple of weeks that kind of took a turn this Friday for the better.

This is the place for support though. You know you are not alone.
You're not alone. Our bodies are all different, and recover at different rates. Once you have that turn around day, you start to become YOU again.

It is known that anywhere from 6-12 weeks a nicotine user (US) will have more nicotine receptors than a non user, as the brain reverts back into it's normal state.

Remember that we pummeled ourselves with nicotine and numerous other garbage chemicals, our body isn't just freaking out to no nicotine, it doesn't know how to behave without these toxins, because it's so accustomed to it.

It took me weeks to realize this, I thought when I quit everything would be fine and dandy. lol

WRONG.

It does get better, much better. Every day is a step forward. You will be yourself again. Hell, the worst part is over, and you should be on the uphill swing.

From the research I've seen online, It takes 3-12 months to really be normal again (minimal to no anxiety, depression, racing mind, etc.) Just keep thinking positive, breathe, and make sure you talk it out with people. You're not going crazy.

I literally thought I was. I thought I was going nuts.

Like I said, that shit is fucking VILE.

I am quit with you!
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on September 30, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
Regrets...we all have them.

But you will never think about yesterday and say, "Dammit! I wish I would have had a dip yesterday!"
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Spoemed on October 01, 2015, 03:22:00 AM
Hello, folks. I have been a chewer since high school. Since around 2004 I have gutted it out of necessity being in the military. Now I have all sorts of acid reflux and stomach issues. For whatever reason though I continue to do it. I have tried numerous times to quit before but I have always came up with an excuse to not. Sometime I don't even realize that I put a chew in. I'll spit one out and automatically put another back in. I have had enough but working with two other people who chew has made it difficult. Please help me!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 01, 2015, 07:03:00 AM
Quote from: Spoemed
Hello, folks. I have been a chewer since high school. Since around 2004 I have gutted it out of necessity being in the military. Now I have all sorts of acid reflux and stomach issues. For whatever reason though I continue to do it. I have tried numerous times to quit before but I have always came up with an excuse to not. Sometime I don't even realize that I put a chew in. I'll spit one out and automatically put another back in. I have had enough but working with two other people who chew has made it difficult. Please help me!
Plenty of help and support available here. You will find many military quitters (active and post) here who can directly relate to your circumstance and challenges.

Read the intro to new quitters, read the words of wisdom and hall of fame speeches. That should let you know what to expect. Understand that you are an addict, just like I am. Then Flush your dip and quit!

You will want to post roll every day with the January 2016 quit group aka DOGS (the group will reach 100 days quit in January). This is a promise to yourself and every quitter here that you will not use nicotine in any form for 24 hours.

You will want to share digits with fellow quitters, this will help counter the two nicotine addict slaves you work with.

It will suck, it will be hard, nicotine will give you no mercy for a while after you quit... but it gets better in ways you can't imagine. Take charge of your life, stop feeding the addiction, and quit today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 01, 2015, 07:27:00 AM
Quote from: Spoemed
Hello, folks. I have been a chewer since high school. Since around 2004 I have gutted it out of necessity being in the military. Now I have all sorts of acid reflux and stomach issues. For whatever reason though I continue to do it. I have tried numerous times to quit before but I have always came up with an excuse to not. Sometime I don't even realize that I put a chew in. I'll spit one out and automatically put another back in. I have had enough but working with two other people who chew has made it difficult. Please help me!
We talk about how hard it is and it is hard. But there are 1000s here on this site that have kicked the can. If you want to do it, you can. It's hard, not impossible.

Get familiar with the site and quit groups. You post roll EDD. Once you make that step and committee you will be amazed at how empowered you feel. You say no one crave at a time and you get through it.

When you are ready, KTC is too. Today is a damn good day to quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on October 01, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
Who in the October, November team has been dipping roughly 20+ years and have quit cold turkey for 40 days now and still have weird feelings. I dipped for 30 years and went cold turkey, on day 46 now.
I still feel like I am going crazy, if I didn't have the Valium's to help with the anxiety, I think I would.
Anyone else feeling like this? Anxiety, hard to focus, lost in space.
I know some of you have already answered during my introduction period, but to feel this way for this long? Going CRAZY!!!

Input also welcome from our "Support from other Bad-Ass Quitters Team"
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on October 01, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Hey Cope, im close to 30 years, give or take a few when i quit.. but i always got back ont he nic horse. I have strange feelings (day 46 now) to be honest. Nothing raging or even any cravings. I know if i dipped right now I'd probably puke. But that doesnt make my mood any better

I sometimes feel just sort of, bummed i guess.

I remember listening to Artie Lange on Howard Stern when he tried getting sober and him saying, after 6-8 weeks of sobriety.. howard was asking himhow he was doing and he said he was feeling disappointed, like 'huh, this is it? this is what i am quitting for?.. becasue it is absolutley no fun at all.."

I guess thats what I am feeling, but i am keeping my guard up. The range of emotions Ihave been feeling since day 5 or so have been all over the radar, but like many vets have said im guessing that is the old noodle trying top re-wire itself from the nic bitch way of thinking
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 01, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Guys, I was in that funk around 40-50. Everything sucked and that was the good part. Around 54 my outlook started improving. It was a shitty two weeks.

Hang on and keep moving forward.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Daniel719 on October 02, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
Gave up smokeless tobacco after 9 years, today is the fourth day, but from day one my cheek muscle feel stiff including my upper shoulder and neck.. should I be worried ?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 02, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Daniel719
Gave up smokeless tobacco after 9 years, today is the fourth day, but from day one my cheek muscle feel stiff including my upper shoulder and neck.. should I be worried ?
Well, it could be as simple as soreness from clenching your jaw in the absence of chew. And yes we can drive ourselves nuts doing internet diagnoses of doom on every feeling that is different once we quit. Likely a normal thing, but if it worries you, see a doctor (actual, not internet and I am neither).

Other things to look forward to now that you are on a healing path: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)

Best thing you can do right now is to go to the January 2016 quit group, introduce yourself and post roll. That is a group of quitters also in their early days who wake each morning, make a promise to themselves and all others that they will not use nicotine for 24 hours by posting the promise in roll.

If you ask the question to that group, you may find a wide array of bizarre but benign symptoms that come when the body heals after removing the nicotine supply. Exchange digits with those quitters to make it easier to support each other and get quicker answers to this kind of question.

Quitting is an excellent decision. I am proud to be quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on October 02, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
Dip Free Hunting Season 2015 – Submit Your Pics
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/dip- ... your-pics/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/dip-free-hunting-season-2015-submit-your-pics/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Can_I_Kick_It? on October 02, 2015, 02:36:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on October 02, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Can_I_Kick_It? on October 02, 2015, 11:57:00 PM
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on October 03, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I only take it wh n I really need it. I hate taking pills so at this point I don't feel like I need it all the time. But when I do get the anxiety attacks I usually only take half of a 5mg Valuim. Never had anxiety attacks before until I quit dipping. It's better than the alternative!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on October 03, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I only take it wh n I really need it. I hate taking pills so at this point I don't feel like I need it all the time. But when I do get the anxiety attacks I usually only take half of a 5mg Valuim. Never had anxiety attacks before until I quit dipping. It's better than the alternative!
I've been doing a lot of soul searching and meditating. I almost caved and bought gum today, the register rejected the nico rette and i went to the car and cried taking it as a sign lol my blood work came back healthy so I know this is all in my head. I have a lot of work to do.

Keep on with it guys.

I quit! Day 85 of zero nicotine! I will not cave! I have renewed motivation!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 03, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I only take it wh n I really need it. I hate taking pills so at this point I don't feel like I need it all the time. But when I do get the anxiety attacks I usually only take half of a 5mg Valuim. Never had anxiety attacks before until I quit dipping. It's better than the alternative!
I've been doing a lot of soul searching and meditating. I almost caved and bought gum today, the register rejected the nico rette and i went to the car and cried taking it as a sign lol my blood work came back healthy so I know this is all in my head. I have a lot of work to do.

Keep on with it guys.

I quit! Day 85 of zero nicotine! I will not cave! I have renewed motivation!
Datsunking, the final days before 100 are tough for a spell. There will be tough days after 100 as well. That is why we quit one day at a time: I am at 141 days-- really good days outnumber bad days now. It does get better.

Reach out to fellow quitters on bad days, support them on better days. It can be tough, nicotine waits for weakness, KTC gives us tools to get past weak spots. As you now know, you do not need the nicotine. You are healthier without it. With each small victory (even register assisted) you mind gets stronger.

I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jack_smiff1 on October 04, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
I dont really know how to use a blog but here it goes.

I'm 19 and i've been dipping for a good 5 years now, and I'm not have an intensive quit but i've hit the fog and I'm restless. I'm almost 100 hours in and the cravings are hitting me extremely hard. i know I'm young but i realized it was a terrible habit that i needed to drop. I found myself putting dip in for almost every single situation and it occurred to me it was time to quit. It's been super tough but glad to be a part of the kill the can!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 04, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: jack_smiff1
I dont really know how to use a blog but here it goes.

I'm 19 and i've been dipping for a good 5 years now, and I'm not have an intensive quit but i've hit the fog and I'm restless. I'm almost 100 hours in and the cravings are hitting me extremely hard. i know I'm young but i realized it was a terrible habit that i needed to drop. I found myself putting dip in for almost every single situation and it occurred to me it was time to quit. It's been super tough but glad to be a part of the kill the can!!
Jack, 100 hours is badass for a solo quit.

What you want to do is go th the January 2016 quit group, say hello, then post roll. They also just quit, but will help you with the roll thing. It is a promise not to use nicotine for 24 hours -- a promise to yourself and every quitter here. Lots of younger quitters here, so you fit right in.

You might want to get some seeds, or Smokey Mountain mint dip (tobacco free) to satisfy the oral fix while your brain heals from nicotine.

Plenty to read here on the site when cravings hit, plus if you share digits you can get support from your quit brothers right away.

I wish I was that smart 45 years ago, I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on October 04, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
^^^^^^^ What he said.

Seriously, there are some bad ass quitters here that are more than ready to help you out when needed. They can't quit for you, that is your job, but they can help you out when the cravings hit and things get rough.

Welcome Jack and I quit with you every dam day!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Can_I_Kick_It? on October 05, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: jack_smiff1
I dont really know how to use a blog but here it goes.

I'm 19 and i've been dipping for a good 5 years now, and I'm not have an intensive quit but i've hit the fog and I'm restless. I'm almost 100 hours in and the cravings are hitting me extremely hard. i know I'm young but i realized it was a terrible habit that i needed to drop. I found myself putting dip in for almost every single situation and it occurred to me it was time to quit. It's been super tough but glad to be a part of the kill the can!!
The DOG house got your back, brother.

Glad you're connected now. Keep kickin' Nic while he's down cause he'll get up and keep coming if you let him.

#relentless
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on October 05, 2015, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I only take it wh n I really need it. I hate taking pills so at this point I don't feel like I need it all the time. But when I do get the anxiety attacks I usually only take half of a 5mg Valuim. Never had anxiety attacks before until I quit dipping. It's better than the alternative!
I've been doing a lot of soul searching and meditating. I almost caved and bought gum today, the register rejected the nico rette and i went to the car and cried taking it as a sign lol my blood work came back healthy so I know this is all in my head. I have a lot of work to do.

Keep on with it guys.

I quit! Day 85 of zero nicotine! I will not cave! I have renewed motivation!
Datsunking, the final days before 100 are tough for a spell. There will be tough days after 100 as well. That is why we quit one day at a time: I am at 141 days-- really good days outnumber bad days now. It does get better.

Reach out to fellow quitters on bad days, support them on better days. It can be tough, nicotine waits for weakness, KTC gives us tools to get past weak spots. As you now know, you do not need the nicotine. You are healthier without it. With each small victory (even register assisted) you mind gets stronger.

I quit with you today.
Does anyone after 50 days still have days where you feel like you are not here or in space somewhere. I still feel like I'm going crazy. I have anxiety all the time anymore. I thought I would be past this by now. Anybody else have these feelings after this amoutn of days with no dip or is it just me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 05, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
Cope30, yes. At 65 days I'm still challenged with different symptoms. Just less often, less severe. Definitely better than day 30 for sure.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on October 05, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Cope30, yes. At 65 days I'm still challenged with different symptoms. Just less often, less severe. Definitely better than day 30 for sure.
Mike,

Well at least I'm not the only one still going nuts.
Thanks for your input, that's why I love this site, someone has already been there to explain the steps as we quitters go along.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 06, 2015, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Mike23mx
Cope30, yes. At 65 days I'm still challenged with different symptoms. Just less often, less severe. Definitely better than day 30 for sure.
Mike,

Well at least I'm not the only one still going nuts.
Thanks for your input, that's why I love this site, someone has already been there to explain the steps as we quitters go along.
Exactly. Yesterday was ok, but last night I hit a bought of anger and frustration. Has to isolate myself.

Is that dip? Maybe. Maybe not. We all got addicted because there was a gap in our lives. A struggle that we felt dip (or drink or drugs) helped us with. Now we have to deal with that shit standing on our own. Glad I've got my brothers and sisters at KTC to back me up and hold me accountable.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on October 06, 2015, 02:44:00 PM
Welp here we go, officially 17 hours dip-free. I'm quitting and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me. Wanted to make a post here because I know how tough it will be once I get home from work....but I will not dip today. I WILL NOT DO IT.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: 77Midget on October 06, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: GeorgeCostanza
Welp here we go, officially 17 hours dip-free. I'm quitting and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me. Wanted to make a post here because I know how tough it will be once I get home from work....but I will not dip today. I WILL NOT DO IT.
Good job George! We have a great January 2016 Quit group you should come check us out!

Im right there with you at Day 2.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on October 07, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
Day 2. Just hit the 40 hour mark. I will not dip today. I've got your back everyone and I quit with you another day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: eyehatecope on October 07, 2015, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: datsunking1
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I only take it wh n I really need it. I hate taking pills so at this point I don't feel like I need it all the time. But when I do get the anxiety attacks I usually only take half of a 5mg Valuim. Never had anxiety attacks before until I quit dipping. It's better than the alternative!
I've been doing a lot of soul searching and meditating. I almost caved and bought gum today, the register rejected the nico rette and i went to the car and cried taking it as a sign lol my blood work came back healthy so I know this is all in my head. I have a lot of work to do.

Keep on with it guys.

I quit! Day 85 of zero nicotine! I will not cave! I have renewed motivation!
Datsunking, the final days before 100 are tough for a spell. There will be tough days after 100 as well. That is why we quit one day at a time: I am at 141 days-- really good days outnumber bad days now. It does get better.

Reach out to fellow quitters on bad days, support them on better days. It can be tough, nicotine waits for weakness, KTC gives us tools to get past weak spots. As you now know, you do not need the nicotine. You are healthier without it. With each small victory (even register assisted) you mind gets stronger.

I quit with you today.
Does anyone after 50 days still have days where you feel like you are not here or in space somewhere. I still feel like I'm going crazy. I have anxiety all the time anymore. I thought I would be past this by now. Anybody else have these feelings after this amoutn of days with no dip or is it just me.
Yes, yes and yes. Amazing. In the beginning my quit was going great after the first week. I kept thinking what's the big deal? Oh boy, a few weeks ago even this week all heck broke loose. Anxiety hit. 3 trips to the doctor. This week, one of the worst throat issues I've ever felt. Again anxiety kicked in. Hang in there brother/brothers. Wanting a pinch of that stuff isn't an option now. I literally hate the thought of it. One thing I question daily, why didn't I attempt to do this 20+ years ago?????????
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: eyehatecope on October 07, 2015, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: GeorgeCostanza
Day 2. Just hit the 40 hour mark. I will not dip today. I've got your back everyone and I quit with you another day.
Awesome. I quit with you. if I can help you please let me know. Quit on!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: eyehatecope on October 07, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: Cope30
Who in the October, November team has been dipping roughly 20+ years and have quit cold turkey for 40 days now and still have weird feelings. I dipped for 30 years and went cold turkey, on day 46 now.
I still feel like I am going crazy, if I didn't have the Valium's to help with the anxiety, I think I would.
Anyone else feeling like this? Anxiety, hard to focus, lost in space.
I know some of you have already answered during my introduction period, but to feel this way for this long? Going CRAZY!!!

Input also welcome from our "Support from other Bad-Ass Quitters Team"
Right here with you Cope! Doctor 3 visits within a week. Sore throat/weird throat issue this week. None that came in the beginning. Put on meds. Wow is all I can say. I got your back brother if you need to talk let me know,

also, 20+ here
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: eyehatecope on October 07, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: DjPorkchop
Quote from: Can_I_Kick_It?
Quote from: Cope30
Well said, I am on day 45 and still feel like I am going nuts. if I didn't have Valium's, I would go crazy. It's like you said, IT IS VILE!!!!
Is there any concern about you simply replacing your addiction from nicotine to valiums?
I am on Valium as well. I only take it when times are real hard. I know me and could get addicted real easily then i would start to question which is the lesser of the 2 evils chew or pills. I have yet to ever have it feel like I was replacing one with another. When it does, I will flush the pills.
That's good. Worth keeping on the radar.
I was prescribed xanax. I take them only as needed. Filled 2 weeks ago and I've taken 4.... If you need med assistance go for it. keep an open mind my opinion when taking them or how to.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: bigB on October 07, 2015, 11:46:00 PM
20 years old and have been dipping for 6 years now. It's amazing what a 14 year old thinks is cool. I'm on day three and I feel like crap. I can't sleep and I can't focus. Someone just tell me this gets easier because I'm about to lose it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on October 08, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: bigB
20 years old and have been dipping for 6 years now. It's amazing what a 14 year old thinks is cool. I'm on day three and I feel like crap. I can't sleep and I can't focus. Someone just tell me this gets easier because I'm about to lose it.
It gets easier. You don't need me to tell you that though right? You know it gets easier, you're just afraid of how long it might take or the lengths you may have to go to stay quit. Right? We've all been there. I know you and you know me because we're both addicts. Post roll with us. Embrace the journey and I guarantee you will wish you'd done this years ago.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: asimjafri on October 08, 2015, 05:02:00 AM
Hi,

The best way to think of the days when you were not addicted to this nicotine. Just pretend that you have never started it, believe me the problem, craving will disappear immediately.

If you are fine without nicotine for 8 hours then you can be away from it rest of your life. Its your mind which plays games with you. So be strong and be tobacco free.

Life will be beautiful without it. Just keep repeating i can do it and i will do it. I will control my life not tobacco.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on October 08, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: bigB
20 years old and have been dipping for 6 years now. It's amazing what a 14 year old thinks is cool. I'm on day three and I feel like crap. I can't sleep and I can't focus. Someone just tell me this gets easier because I'm about to lose it.
It gets easier. You don't need me to tell you that though right? You know it gets easier, you're just afraid of how long it might take or the lengths you may have to go to stay quit. Right? We've all been there. I know you and you know me because we're both addicts. Post roll with us. Embrace the journey and I guarantee you will wish you'd done this years ago.
^^^^^^^ Yeah, what King said. Exactly!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: TryTryAgain on October 10, 2015, 01:24:00 PM
Dipping for almost three years on the dot...it recently got to the point where my gums would hurt by my "after lunch dip." It wasn't even fun anymore, and I when I was forced to go without dip for a full-day (such as work, etc), I would feel so damn good...but still decide to toss one in as soon as I got to my car.

Today is my first day without nicotine...(can anybody tell me how to change my quit date? I signed up, set my quit date, and relapsed like a fool. I would like to be honest and change it now that I'm actually serious about quitting).

Otherwise, I hope that we can all do this together. Life without dip seems like a fantasy world, but I want it to be a reality.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 10, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: TryTryAgain
Dipping for almost three years on the dot...it recently got to the point where my gums would hurt by my "after lunch dip." It wasn't even fun anymore, and I when I was forced to go without dip for a full-day (such as work, etc), I would feel so damn good...but still decide to toss one in as soon as I got to my car.

Today is my first day without nicotine...(can anybody tell me how to change my quit date? I signed up, set my quit date, and relapsed like a fool. I would like to be honest and change it now that I'm actually serious about quitting).

Otherwise, I hope that we can all do this together. Life without dip seems like a fantasy world, but I want it to be a reality.
Looks like you have your date set at today, which sounds correct.

Not fun anymore, sore gums... that brings back memories that I choose not to repeat. Of course I have 35 years of those memories, not 3.

Quitting is hard, but simple. Every damn day, wake up piss post. Posting roll is your promise to yourself and all here that you will not use nicotine that day. Simple promise, one day at a time, so we can handle it. Since we are all addicts, and nicotine will be whispering in your ear as soon as you get in your car after work, exchange digits with fellow quitters (via PM) so a text can get fast support.

You fit in the "Dog Pound" of the January 2016 quit group -- you will get to 100 days quit with them in January.

I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Stranger999 on October 10, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: TryTryAgain
Dipping for almost three years on the dot...it recently got to the point where my gums would hurt by my "after lunch dip." It wasn't even fun anymore, and I when I was forced to go without dip for a full-day (such as work, etc), I would feel so damn good...but still decide to toss one in as soon as I got to my car.

Today is my first day without nicotine...(can anybody tell me how to change my quit date? I signed up, set my quit date, and relapsed like a fool. I would like to be honest and change it now that I'm actually serious about quitting).

Otherwise, I hope that we can all do this together. Life without dip seems like a fantasy world, but I want it to be a reality.
Welcome.

35 year nicotine addict here and I know exactly what you mean. I'd get sick of dipping and then start smoking. Then I would get sick of smoking and go back to dip.

You have made your promise for the day. Drink lots of water and do anything you can to stay away from nicotine today. Use non-nicotine gum, seeds, fake chew, cotton balls, whatever you need to do. I find that reading posts on this website is a great way to spend the time not dipping. You will find so many folks here are just like you and we are winning every day.

Tomorrow when you wake up come back to this site and post your promise in January roll again and repeat. It really is that simple.

To update your Quit Date, go to the top right side of the forum, mouse over "Preferences" and click "Update Profile". The quit date is at the bottom of that page.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gmish on October 11, 2015, 11:04:00 AM
I am looking to quit and have been using the baccoff product. I find baccoff to be too similar to fine cut and the more I get into the process (i.e. 50-50 mix of real and baccoff), the more the consistency becomes like sand. Is there a fake dip product out there that has a consistency more like that of a grizzly long cut?

Thank you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 11, 2015, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: gmish
I am looking to quit and have been using the baccoff product. I find baccoff to be too similar to fine cut and the more I get into the process (i.e. 50-50 mix of real and baccoff), the more the consistency becomes like sand. Is there a fake dip product out there that has a consistency more like that of a grizzly long cut?

Thank you.
Reviews of fake (nicotine free) chews are here: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/)

A friendly suggestion, stop looking to quit and quit cold turkey. If you flush your remaining tobacco, post roll (your promise to yourself and all here that you will not use nicotine today) with the January 2016 quit group, and reach out to the bad ass quitters in that group you will be past the worst by next weekend.

Life gets so much better quit, why wait?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on October 11, 2015, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: gmish
I am looking to quit and have been using the baccoff product. I find baccoff to be too similar to fine cut and the more I get into the process (i.e. 50-50 mix of real and baccoff), the more the consistency becomes like sand. Is there a fake dip product out there that has a consistency more like that of a grizzly long cut?

Thank you.
Reviews of fake (nicotine free) chews are here: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/)

A friendly suggestion, stop looking to quit and quit cold turkey. If you flush your remaining tobacco, post roll (your promise to yourself and all here that you will not use nicotine today) with the January 2016 quit group, and reach out to the bad ass quitters in that group you will be past the worst by next weekend.

Life gets so much better quit, why wait?
NoMore is righht gmish. That is THE ONLY WAY to do it. Get yourself through the tough first few days with help from all the vets on this site and the JANUARY 2016 quit group (100 days from your quit date), is shaping up to be an awesome bunch of quitters.

You can do it, with help from vets like NoMore, and newbies alike. Make the daily promise not to use nicotine in any form each day and the support will come out of the woodwork, trust me.

There isnt anything you may go through or experience while going through the quit that someone here hasnt already and can help you through.

Do it, quit now!! Flush that shit. Im a 30+ year dipper. On day 56. And it it wonderful. ANy other quit i ever had cant hold a candle to this one. The accountability, brotherhood and support is overwhelming.

Join us and set yourself free from the slave owner that is Nicotine.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: datsunking1 on October 11, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Mike23mx
Cope30, yes. At 65 days I'm still challenged with different symptoms. Just less often, less severe. Definitely better than day 30 for sure.
Mike,

Well at least I'm not the only one still going nuts.
Thanks for your input, that's why I love this site, someone has already been there to explain the steps as we quitters go along.
Exactly. Yesterday was ok, but last night I hit a bought of anger and frustration. Has to isolate myself.

Is that dip? Maybe. Maybe not. We all got addicted because there was a gap in our lives. A struggle that we felt dip (or drink or drugs) helped us with. Now we have to deal with that shit standing on our own. Glad I've got my brothers and sisters at KTC to back me up and hold me accountable.
Yeah the anxiety is killer, I never had anything wrong until I quit.

It's getting better, but the way I look at it, is that I pummeled myself for a year and a half with this shit....and I'm paying the price to correct it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jbp770 on October 12, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: bigB
20 years old and have been dipping for 6 years now. It's amazing what a 14 year old thinks is cool. I'm on day three and I feel like crap. I can't sleep and I can't focus. Someone just tell me this gets easier because I'm about to lose it.
So I have learned that Nicotine is a real bitch. What it does is make you feel like you are stressing out because you want Nicotine. You get the Nicotine and it just makes you stress out later when you are done. The fact is you were never stressing in the first place. Nicotine creates the problem you are trying to solve and the only solution is to say fuck Nicotine. Chew gum, seeds, whatever just not Nic! You got this. You are more powerful than Nicotine!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: bluecow19 on October 13, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
I'm currently on my 4th day quit after 10 years of 1-1.5 cans a day. I've been using seeds and gum to help with the cravings and everything was going fine untill last night when I was laying in bed. The withdrawls hit me bad and I started to get cold sweats, stomach pain, and nausia. After about an our my stomach dropped and I ran to the bathroom. I was up all night with diahrea and vomiting. Has anyone had withdrawls this bad to where you are projectile vomiting? I havnt had to puke today but I'm still pretty dizzy and the diahrea is still there.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: mniba1 on October 13, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
I have not experienced the severity of issues you are going through. I chewed for 30+yrs, can a day and tomorrow will be 2 weeks quit cold turkey. Lots of anxiety, hunger, diet, sleep issues, dizziness, etc. I recommend a ton of exercise and sweating and drink a ton of water. Also started a separate "no chew" account at the bank that gets $40/week.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 13, 2015, 10:23:00 AM
Everybody's quit is a bit different. I encourage each of you to post roll daily with the January 2016 quit group, aka the DOGs. (you will all get to 100 days quit in January). A daily promise to yourself and all here that you will not use nicotine for one day. Plus the amount of support that group is building for each other is amazing.

bluecow, your symptoms do not sound out of bounds, though perhaps more severe than many experience. Bad ass start to your quit, stick with it, it gets much better.

mniba, two weeks alone is a bad ass start... might be a good idea to build a support group as nicotine will never give up trying to get you back.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Amr on October 13, 2015, 08:29:00 PM
Hey everyone my name is Alex been dipping and smoking for around 13 years mostly dipping the last 7 years Kodiak wintergreen 1 + tin a day just quit October 1 2015 very hard and still is found this site thought it would help
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 13, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: Amr
Hey everyone my name is Alex been dipping and smoking for around 13 years mostly dipping the last 7 years Kodiak wintergreen 1 + tin a day just quit October 1 2015 very hard and still is found this site thought it would help
Good deal Alex. You did a helluva a job on your own getting here.

Support is available. The baseline is to connect with your 100 day quit group--it's a group that will hit 100 days around the same time. This is your group.

topic/11341759/100/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11341759/100/)

Everyday you come here and commit to your quit for that day in that group.

There is chat, people exchange numbers and talk in the phone, etc. there is a HUGE experience base here to help you understand you are not alone. Read up.

Also, post in introductions.

I quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on October 13, 2015, 10:26:00 PM
This site will help Alex...as long as you are jumping in with both feet. Post in your January group. Great bunch of newbie quitters in there . Great discussions going in in there today about people who are committed and successful in their quit and others who let their guard down after they figured they were cured.....

We're ALL nicotine addicts on this site. Me, Mike, EVERYONE.

Join in and set yourself free from the chains that nicotine ties us down with.

You CAN do it. Read all over this site. Drink a ton of water. Get seeds, fake chew, whatever you need to stay quit.

Proud to be quit with you today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on October 13, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: JB65
We're ALL nicotine addicts on this site. Me, Mike, EVERYONE.
Me too man. It's a lot better being a former user addict than a current user addict. Either way you're an addict, but the former you're actually doing something about it. Jump in here Alex, it'll be worth it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JoshuaPinkFloyd on October 14, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
I quit and started the patch around August 3rd. Stopped using the patch August 16th. For the past couple days j just feel cloudy, dazed, anxious at times and extremely tired during the day. Is that normal?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 14, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: JoshuaPinkFloyd
I quit and started the patch around August 3rd. Stopped using the patch August 16th. For the past couple days j just feel cloudy, dazed, anxious at times and extremely tired during the day. Is that normal?
Glad you took the plunge to a true quit.

What you are feeling is normal in my experience. at 70+ days I still have moments where things aren't quite normal.

Check out the site and get to know what's happening here. You've come a long ways on your own, but this site can help you stick with the quit.

Looks like you signed up years ago but never posted? Never followed through? Now would be a good time to post in introductions and tell your story.

Welcome to KTC. Proud to quit with you today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JoshuaPinkFloyd on October 14, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: JoshuaPinkFloyd
I quit and started the patch around August 3rd. Stopped using the patch August 16th. For the past couple days j just feel cloudy, dazed, anxious at times and extremely tired during the day. Is that normal?
Glad you took the plunge to a true quit.

What you are feeling is normal in my experience. at 70+ days I still have moments where things aren't quite normal.

Check out the site and get to know what's happening here. You've come a long ways on your own, but this site can help you stick with the quit.

Looks like you signed up years ago but never posted? Never followed through? Now would be a good time to post in introductions and tell your story.

Welcome to KTC. Proud to quit with you today.
Thanks! Appreciate the encouragement, I just wanted to make sure that was normal. I'd love to get involved more as I've been eyeballing the site for quite a while now. Just didn't have the balls to say enough is enough until this year.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 14, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
Quote from: JoshuaPinkFloyd
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: JoshuaPinkFloyd
I quit and started the patch around August 3rd. Stopped using the patch August 16th. For the past couple days j just feel cloudy, dazed, anxious at times and extremely tired during the day. Is that normal?
Glad you took the plunge to a true quit.

What you are feeling is normal in my experience. at 70+ days I still have moments where things aren't quite normal.

Check out the site and get to know what's happening here. You've come a long ways on your own, but this site can help you stick with the quit.

Looks like you signed up years ago but never posted? Never followed through? Now would be a good time to post in introductions and tell your story.

Welcome to KTC. Proud to quit with you today.
Thanks! Appreciate the encouragement, I just wanted to make sure that was normal. I'd love to get involved more as I've been eyeballing the site for quite a while now. Just didn't have the balls to say enough is enough until this year.
Well, you've quit. You broke the ice and posted here. So run with it and join an appropriate quit group.. Dec?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on October 16, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: Mike23mx
Quote from: Amr
Hey everyone my name is Alex been dipping and smoking for around 13 years mostly dipping the last 7 years Kodiak wintergreen 1 + tin a day just quit October 1 2015 very hard and still is found this site thought it would help
Good deal Alex. You did a helluva a job on your own getting here.

Support is available. The baseline is to connect with your 100 day quit group--it's a group that will hit 100 days around the same time. This is your group.

topic/11341759/100/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11341759/100/)

Everyday you come here and commit to your quit for that day in that group.

There is chat, people exchange numbers and talk in the phone, etc. there is a HUGE experience base here to help you understand you are not alone. Read up.

Also, post in introductions.

I quit with you today.
Hang with it and don't cave, I dipped a can a day also of that poison (Cope wintergreen) so we know what you are getting ready to go through, think about this and do some research, a can of dip is equal in nicotine to 4 packs of cigarettes!
This site will help you get there day by day. You will fee like you are going crazy at times and you have problems that no one else has, but we are or have been there at some point!. IT HELPS keep you sane.
Stay strong, NIC is a bitch.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on October 21, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
Great Scott! ItÂ’s Time To Quit Dipping!
http://www.killthecan.org/great-scott-i ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/great-scott-its-time-to-quit-dipping/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomasdip on October 21, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
What's up weirdos? Been dipping for just under 19 yrs and loved every bit of it. Started on the good shit, Cope fine cut, then moved on and have been addicted to RedSeal long cut natty. Started off slow for few years then really jumped in, been 1+ can a day for last 15 years. I knew I was addicted but didn't give a shit I really loved putting that big ol' wad in my mouth. I've gave a weak ass effort to quit before but I never really wanted to because I loved it too much but we all have our own reasons to quit and I never wanted to quit before like I want to now. So I'm only into day 3 but the longest 3 days I can remember. All I do is think about how good it would feel just once more to pack that can, dig my fingers in and get that perfect oversized wad that'll fit perfectly and last half hour or longer. But no, I've decided I really want to quit and I've put too much into these last three days to even think about giving in now. I've committed myself to this and I'm going to stick to it no matter how bad the suck is. It sucks balls honestly. It feels like a part of me is missing and it just feels weird. I haven't really been angry but the craving are pretty intense and from what I've been reading on here it sucks bad for two weeks. I hate the idea of myself being addicted to something to where I can't control it. Especially a product like tobacco. I hate the idea of throwing money away on something so useless that has zero return but can kill you. Somewhere out there I've paid for a few vacations for tobacco execs, but now the fucking vacations stop. Pick another sucker to get addicted. I'm saving close to $2000 a year by quitting. That's a shit load of money that could've been invested and over all the years I probably could've retired earlier. Any who I'm just rambling because I want a dip right now but I'll wake up tomorrow and start day 4 and take it one day at a time
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Dundippin on October 22, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
Nomasdip,

Welcome to the group and to the quit. I liked your write-up. Most of us enjoyed the dip and finally just decided to quit.

I just curled up in a ball and slept and ate my first three days. Sounds like you handled it better.

Way to go with the quit.

Most of this is focus. Focus on anything but you know what.

Feel free to reach out if you need someone to rage to.

Dundippin
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 22, 2015, 11:04:00 AM
Nomasdip, bad ass way to start your quit! Welcome to the ranks of addicts kicking nicotine to the curb one day at a time.

Check out the January 2016 quit group (dundippin is there), post roll with those quitters today and every morning, make your promise to not use nicotine for 24 hours to yourself and all here. It helps. The trade digits with some of those quitters (as dundippin already offered), a support network for quick answers or someone to bide time with during the fog.

Meanwhile, drink lots of water, exercise, read everything here on KTC.

Quit hard.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: BBDC on October 26, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
On Day 4 of quitting. Day 1-3 was not as bad as I expected, but today is pure hell, craving a dip so bad and its only Monday of the work week!!!

Any tips or advice?? I have Grinds, which help a bit, but any other tips/advice are appreciated!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on October 26, 2015, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: BBDC
On Day 4 of quitting. Day 1-3 was not as bad as I expected, but today is pure hell, craving a dip so bad and its only Monday of the work week!!!

Any tips or advice?? I have Grinds, which help a bit, but any other tips/advice are appreciated!!
Welcome to quit! Good to see you on Chat, post roll next.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on October 28, 2015, 02:40:00 PM
25,000 Registered Forum Members!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/2500 ... m-members/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/25000-registered-forum-members/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on October 28, 2015, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
25,000 Registered Forum Members!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/2500 ... m-members/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/10/25000-registered-forum-members/)
That's helping a shitload of addicts. Congrats KTC!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: beenthere2 on October 30, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Well, that's it! Game over. Quit an hour ago and I'll stay plastered to this site for the next 100+ days!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on October 31, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: beenthere2
Well, that's it! Game over. Quit an hour ago and I'll stay plastered to this site for the next 100+ days!
topic/11383298/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/)

You need to go post "beenthere2 - Day 1" in Feb 16, which will be your group.

Congrats on a good decision. This isn't going to be easy. But it will be worth it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Kennedy1 on November 02, 2015, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: Imaquiter2015
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: travisc
Quote from: Justiny5
Made it to Day 24 for the first time ever. I had dipped Grizzly WG pouches for over 4 years. I'm glad I came across this site. I still get absurd cravings regularly but I have been able to suppress them so far
Keep it up! Good work.
well done guys - you're in the right place!

let us know how we can help along the way. you're among friends!

chewie
Day 7 of going cold turkey! I've dipped about a can every 2 days for the last 8 years. I'm hoping this site will help me follow through! All advice and support is appreciated!
Congrats on taking the first step of a healthier cancer free life. Do whatever you have to do to stomp the nick bitch down. She will play mind games with you. Know that and you will be fine. Get smokey mountain, seeds, gum whatever you have do to. keep yourself out of high risk situations and also know that alcohol makes you vulnerable, so be mindful when you drink. Work out as well. Good luck!!!!Stay the course, your life depends on it!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Wt57 on November 02, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Grievous
Quote from: beenthere2
Well, that's it! Game over. Quit an hour ago and I'll stay plastered to this site for the next 100+ days!
topic/11383298/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/)

You need to go post "beenthere2 - Day 1" in Feb 16, which will be your group.

Congrats on a good decision. This isn't going to be easy. But it will be worth it.
Guess he didn't think it would be that hard. Hasn't even logged on for 3 days. So much fore being plastered to the site for 100 days.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on November 03, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
How Long Were You A Dipper? [Reader Poll]
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/11/how- ... ader-poll/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/11/how-long-were-you-a-dipper-reader-poll/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: lambchopsaregood on November 04, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
Hey guys, I am on Day 12 nicotine free. I have been watching this site religiously for the entire twelve days. I was a smoker for 8 years, and "quit" with snus. I secretly snussed two cans a day until 12 days ago. Nobody knew, not even my significant other, that I constantly had a little dip in my mouth. I'm having a hard time. Not with the cravings, but with the post nicotine depression. The fog comes and goes, but the mood swings stay. How much longer will this last???
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on November 04, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: lambchopsaregood
Hey guys, I am on Day 12 nicotine free. I have been watching this site religiously for the entire twelve days. I was a smoker for 8 years, and "quit" with snus. I secretly snussed two cans a day until 12 days ago. Nobody knew, not even my significant other, that I constantly had a little dip in my mouth. I'm having a hard time. Not with the cravings, but with the post nicotine depression. The fog comes and goes, but the mood swings stay. How much longer will this last???
Welcome! And congrats on a great decision.

Here's a pretty good timeline that's been compiled over the years. It's crazy accurate for most people: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)

Head over to the February 2016 quit group and introduce yourself: topic/11383298/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/) All of the folks there are at the same stage of their quits.

Hang in there and keep on trucking. You're off to a great start!

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: WVC on November 08, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
Moved, delete.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: DjPorkchop on November 09, 2015, 02:09:00 AM
Quote from: BBDC
On Day 4 of quitting. Day 1-3 was not as bad as I expected, but today is pure hell, craving a dip so bad and its only Monday of the work week!!!

Any tips or advice?? I have Grinds, which help a bit, but any other tips/advice are appreciated!!
Welcome and good job on your decision to quit!

A quick hint of advice, find your quit group, post roll, and be active in your quit group. Then when you have questions such as you do here, your quit group will be more than happy to jump in and give you a helping hand when ever you need it.

I quit with you today brother! And a big 'Finger' to the nic bitch! Together we can do this!!! Stay strong and stay quit!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: TheCannon on November 09, 2015, 02:30:00 PM
I only recently found this site and can't tell you how happy it makes me to know that it is here. I quit using (General Brand) Snus on Aug 10 after 5 years of a can (24 pouches) a day. No one except my wife knew I used it because there is no need to spit. (Which means I dont really have anyone to talk to during this terrible withdrawal phase). I quit by using patches then nicotene gum for a month then cold turkey. Felt brutally miserable for months and now still feel a bit restless with fewer cravings.
Im almost at 100 days: it feels great not to have this monkey on my back all day every day. But every once in awhile the monkey jumps back on. I regularly chew gum to help with the oral fixation and the cravings. When do the cravings stop? When do I stop chewing gum? Is there an average amount of time?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on November 09, 2015, 09:54:00 PM
Quote from: TheCannon
I only recently found this site and can't tell you how happy it makes me to know that it is here. I quit using (General Brand) Snus on Aug 10 after 5 years of a can (24 pouches) a day. No one except my wife knew I used it because there is no need to spit. (Which means I dont really have anyone to talk to during this terrible withdrawal phase). I quit by using patches then nicotene gum for a month then cold turkey. Felt brutally miserable for months and now still feel a bit restless with fewer cravings.
Im almost at 100 days: it feels great not to have this monkey on my back all day every day. But every once in awhile the monkey jumps back on. I regularly chew gum to help with the oral fixation and the cravings. When do the cravings stop? When do I stop chewing gum? Is there an average amount of time?
Congratulations on your quit! Great decision. That is an impressive success on your own.

For reference to experiences here, the days that matter are the days since you went cold turkey for the nicotine patches and then gum. Recovery starts from when nicotine is no longer entering your system.

So with a quit date (cold turkey) of September 10, you are at 61 days.

You will find the craves come and go, but it gets easier to get past them. This is especially true as you identify and handle your triggers (like the dip after a meal) and reprogram your behavior for each. Eventually the need for gum will pass, usually by 200 days. Note everyone is a bit different.

When do the cravings stop? I'm not sure they do. Nicotine is an addiction. We are all one dip or smoke away from daily use. That is as true for people with years of quit as for months. No magic cure.

Quit for today, then wake and quit for tomorrow.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ltzchaz on November 11, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
I'm on day 2 again. I quit for about a year, caved and have been chewing for the last 2 years or so. I for got how bad this sucks! I right now have some jerky chew/red hot mix jammed in my lip and trying to get the last hour of work out of the way so I can go pretend not to be miserable at home. Why am I quitting again? I'm sick of it. My wife doesn't care, neither does my boss or my kids. Obviously my family is happy , but I'm doing this for me.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on November 11, 2015, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: ltzchaz
I'm on day 2 again. I quit for about a year, caved and have been chewing for the last 2 years or so. I for got how bad this sucks! I right now have some jerky chew/red hot mix jammed in my lip and trying to get the last hour of work out of the way so I can go pretend not to be miserable at home. Why am I quitting again? I'm sick of it. My wife doesn't care, neither does my boss or my kids. Obviously my family is happy , but I'm doing this for me.
Hey Chaz, we've all been there bud. Every single one of us.

A couple things. First, I would HIGHLY recommend you heading over to Feb 2016 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/122/#new) and post roll with those guys. You have a perfect opportunity right now as they've picked up 12 new quitters in the last 2 days. You would be in good company to getting your quit started right. You would not believe me if I tried to tell you how much support you will get once you start posting roll. Guys will be falling all over themselves to help you out when you need it. I can't stress enough how important and beneficial this step will be for you.

Second, you have to change the mindset. I know it sucks right now, but think about it like nicotine is throwing a fit as she's being ejected from your system. You're winning! You feel like crap today because you have decided not to poison yourself any longer. You're winning! Eventually you won't feel like crap and you will be bellowing from the mountaintops with how great you feel without nicotine coursing through your veins. Plus, you will be free from the slavery that you have endured for too long now.

Join the quit group, quit hard today, and start turning the tables on nicotine. We'll be right there with you.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on November 11, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Here's a link for why we post roll: topic/10391308/1/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10391308/1/#new)

and a link for how to post roll: topic/1003072/1/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/#new)

You can do it Chaz. I promise you won't regret it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Schwillty on November 12, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
Day #3 of nic free here...Man, last night I was playing drums and I almost fell over. Crazy dizzy feeling came over me. I know this is a normal withdrawal symptom, but it was wacky. I quit drinking alcohol 444 days ago and I enjoy celebrating those milestones. With that said I have three questions for the viewers:

1. Outside of the "100 day" are there other milestones that are celebrated? (Please do not respond with everyday is celebrated, that is a given)
2. What is the timeline for the physical withdrawal symptom? Research on the physical withdrawal of nicotine is all over the place. Some research says 5 days some says 100 days. Anyway I am just trying to understand the physical addiction. I know that the mental can vary dramatically from person to person.
3. Did I post roll correctly?

Thank you,
Wil
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on November 12, 2015, 04:24:00 PM
Quote from: Schwillty
Day #3 of nic free here...Man, last night I was playing drums and I almost fell over. Crazy dizzy feeling came over me. I know this is a normal withdrawal symptom, but it was wacky. I quit drinking alcohol 444 days ago and I enjoy celebrating those milestones. With that said I have three questions for the viewers:

1. Outside of the "100 day" are there other milestones that are celebrated? (Please do not respond with everyday is celebrated, that is a given)
2. What is the timeline for the physical withdrawal symptom? Research on the physical withdrawal of nicotine is all over the place. Some research says 5 days some says 100 days. Anyway I am just trying to understand the physical addiction. I know that the mental can vary dramatically from person to person.
3. Did I post roll correctly?

Thank you,
Wil
1. It sounds cheesy Wil, but quitters post "+1" for a reason. There is no finish line. If you try to bite off the whole thing at one time it's too much to handle, even for a seasoned vet. To answer your question though, typically the "milestones" are when you reach a "floor" which is every hundred days. After 100 you're on the first floor, 200 - 2nd floor, etc. The "comma" a.k.a. 1,000 days is a big deal as well. Finally, years are celebrated, as in "I quit 1 year ago today".
2. Most of the stuff I've read and that is available on KTC says nicotine is out of your system around the 72 hour mark. That means after about day 3, everything switches to the mental game.
3. You almost posted it correctly. Instead of COPYING the text in the bottom box into the top box, CUT it. That means when you go to add your name to roll in the top box, there should nothing in the bottom box. Otherwise you got it my man.

P.S. I would highly recommend posting this kind of post in your group. That way, others in your group see the responses, respond, and together you learn from each other. Also, you will get to know the other guys in your group as this information goes back and forth. I'll throw it in there this time for you. It's certainly not taboo or anything to post it here, but the forums are where most everybody goes to read.

Quit on Big Wil!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Billy 3 on November 14, 2015, 10:03:00 PM
Yeah I thought dip was cool. I like the way the can looks in my back pocket.2 days ago I stopped cold turkey and it has been awful. It's done made me sick. I am very fatigued agitated can't sleep I just feel awful. I'm an RN and my coworkers told me I shouldn't have done cold turkey. Well just bought two cans of longhorn and got a lip in now and feel much better now. So it's not cool at all. I guess I think it's a country boy thing and wanted to look country but now knowing what it does and how withdrawal feels I think it was a stupid thing to do. You can be country without tobacco. Please I welcome any advice. My next step is to go to my primary medical doctor and let him help me but I still want you guys advice. I can't do this withdrawal anymore I can't take it so that's why I went to store and bought some dip.

Billy
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on November 15, 2015, 08:26:00 AM
Billy, sounds like you got some poor advice. A couple thoughts:

Whatever path a doctor puts you on, eventually you stop using nicotine. Cold turkey is the end result. At that point you can expect it to suck until it doesn't.

http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)

http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sym ... -dip-chew/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/)

KTC has many tools to help you through the initial suck including lots to read, live chat, and most importantly the roll posts in quit groups -- people who understand what you are going through because they are going through it too.

Dump the cans, dive in, and get your quit on. You can beat the withdrawal with a little help.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: andrew33 on November 17, 2015, 03:10:00 AM
Quote from: Billy
Yeah I thought dip was cool. I like the way the can looks in my back pocket.2 days ago I stopped cold turkey and it has been awful. It's done made me sick. I am very fatigued agitated can't sleep I just feel awful. I'm an RN and my coworkers told me I shouldn't have done cold turkey. Well just bought two cans of longhorn and got a lip in now and feel much better now. So it's not cool at all. I guess I think it's a country boy thing and wanted to look country but now knowing what it does and how withdrawal feels I think it was a stupid thing to do. You can be country without tobacco. Please I welcome any advice. My next step is to go to my primary medical doctor and let him help me but I still want you guys advice. I can't do this withdrawal anymore I can't take it so that's why I went to store and bought some dip.

Billy
Dude. I'm going on my 5th day and it is hard but not nearly as hard as the first 2 days. You will get through them. I know the hardest part for me is going to work like this and I'm sure being a Rn Is 1000 Times More STRESSFUL Than What I do. Maybe if you have 2 days off coming up you can make sure to skip your afternoon dips before sleep and you'll already have a big chunk of time under your belt for the next 2 days. Maybe ask for a day off to go with your weekend. I know Rn schedules are funky though.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on November 18, 2015, 09:03:00 PM
Billy, please my man. Dump that stuff.. quit now. Before you become an old man and suffer all sorts of problems.

Sounds like you have a great career. Don't throw it all away by being a slave to nicotine. You may not feel like a slave now but before you know if you will be 50 and wanting to quit...

If I could go back bro, I sometimes wish I could just pick me up as a 25 years old dipping fool and shake the living shit of me... and say what in the hell is wrong with you!

Please do it now, quit and be bad ass like us!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Punxsylukew on November 18, 2015, 11:09:00 PM
This is my 3rd day of quitting and my first post on here. I am a severe tobacco user 3 to 4 cans a day , 2 to 4 cigars and a pack of smokes every day for the last 5 years. I have been using tobacco since I was 13 and have seen no other way of dealing with life. I made this decision for my family and I plan to hold to it. I have every symptom of with drawls times ten. I actually felt like I had a seizure my first day. I have been using some 2mg gum very lightly and plan to stop that next week. If any one else has used the amounts I have and could offer some advise I would greatly appreciate it. I do feel better now and I have tons of energy and my mind is as clear as a bell. A lot of fog but it's a lot better. I just want to know when dose it get easier. This is not fun so I'm looking for any help I can get.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on November 19, 2015, 06:22:00 AM
Punx, my that's a lot of tobacco! At 3 days the tobacco would be out of your system, except you put more in with the gum. The usual expectation is the physical withdrawal, the suck, ends about 3 days in as all the remaining nicotine exits your system. This is followed by a rough couple weeks of fog and cravings, then things get better over time.

Check here http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sym ... -dip-chew/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/)

At some point, you will stop with the gum. That is when quit starts. Find the most recent quit group and post roll -- your promise not to use nicotine in any form for 24 hours. Read this site, lots of information and inspiration. Exchange digits with fellow quitters for mutual support.

Stop the gum, post roll, and it will get better in a while. Until then, remember what you are experiencing now. Write it down. Read before you touch nicotine again.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on November 20, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
9 Years Quitting Dip For KillTheCan.org
http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/11/9-ye ... hecan-org/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/11/9-years-quitting-dip-for-killthecan-org/)


Make sure to stop by the site wide one day roll call!!! topic/11421591/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11421591/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: andrew33 on November 20, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: Punxsylukew
This is my 3rd day of quitting and my first post on here. I am a severe tobacco user 3 to 4 cans a day , 2 to 4 cigars and a pack of smokes every day for the last 5 years. I have been using tobacco since I was 13 and have seen no other way of dealing with life. I made this decision for my family and I plan to hold to it. I have every symptom of with drawls times ten. I actually felt like I had a seizure my first day. I have been using some 2mg gum very lightly and plan to stop that next week. If any one else has used the amounts I have and could offer some advise I would greatly appreciate it. I do feel better now and I have tons of energy and my mind is as clear as a bell. A lot of fog but it's a lot better. I just want to know when dose it get easier. This is not fun so I'm looking for any help I can get.
Hey, man. I've been using 2 cans sometimes but rarely 3 times a day and man has it been hard. Like you the first day I quit within 3 hours I had a bad anxiety attack and called a ambulance. I was anxious still for 2 more days but I managed it then on the 6th day i had another horrible panick attack at work. Face, legs, hands went number had trouble breathing and talking. It was awful. It been a scary week since I quit but this stuff really should be expected for the amount of nicotine you and me were taking in everyday. I'm just mad at myself because I never had any health problems before but you and me need to stay positive and try and move forward and stay nicotine free.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Mike23mx on November 21, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: Punxsylukew
This is my 3rd day of quitting and my first post on here. I am a severe tobacco user 3 to 4 cans a day , 2 to 4 cigars and a pack of smokes every day for the last 5 years. I have been using tobacco since I was 13 and have seen no other way of dealing with life. I made this decision for my family and I plan to hold to it. I have every symptom of with drawls times ten. I actually felt like I had a seizure my first day. I have been using some 2mg gum very lightly and plan to stop that next week. If any one else has used the amounts I have and could offer some advise I would greatly appreciate it. I do feel better now and I have tons of energy and my mind is as clear as a bell. A lot of fog but it's a lot better. I just want to know when dose it get easier. This is not fun so I'm looking for any help I can get.
I can't imagine how you managed to find time to use that much. Or money. Regardless, if you have not done so, you are a good candidate for medical supervised quit. This is a cold turkey site, but you are using lethal amounts.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: johnb on November 21, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
hi, heard about this place from my home care nurse kristin, she was very positive about the support here. my quit date is tomorrow 11/22/15. Or so i am planning; i've planned before and caved but this time i believe I can make it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on November 21, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: johnb
hi, heard about this place from my home care nurse kristin, she was very positive about the support here. my quit date is tomorrow 11/22/15. Or so i am planning; i've planned before and caved but this time i believe I can make it.
Welcome johnb! This place is a great place to find brotherhood and accountability in being quit. I know it made the difference in me getting this far.

If you quit today or tomorrow, your quit group is February 2016 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/). Mosey over that way and read up on How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and then get yourself on roll when you're nic free.

I would challenge you that if you're ready to quit, why not today? You say you've planned in the past and failed. The best way to break that cycle is to not give yourself room to put it off.

Plenty of excuses for why tomorrow's going to be a better day to quit. In reality, the best day to be quit is today!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: brapo on November 21, 2015, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: johnb
hi, heard about this place from my home care nurse kristin, she was very positive about the support here. my quit date is tomorrow 11/22/15. Or so i am planning; i've planned before and caved but this time i believe I can make it.
Welcome johnb! This place is a great place to find brotherhood and accountability in being quit. I know it made the difference in me getting this far.

If you quit today or tomorrow, your quit group is February 2016 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/). Mosey over that way and read up on How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and then get yourself on roll when you're nic free.

I would challenge you that if you're ready to quit, why not today? You say you've planned in the past and failed. The best way to break that cycle is to not give yourself room to put it off.

Plenty of excuses for why tomorrow's going to be a better day to quit. In reality, the best day to be quit is today!
Hey johnb!

I am in the February quit group... this is my 14th day. Post up as soon as possible and begin the journey to freedom!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: andrew33 on November 22, 2015, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: brapo
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: johnb
hi, heard about this place from my home care nurse kristin, she was very positive about the support here. my quit date is tomorrow 11/22/15. Or so i am planning; i've planned before and caved but this time i believe I can make it.
Welcome johnb! This place is a great place to find brotherhood and accountability in being quit. I know it made the difference in me getting this far.

If you quit today or tomorrow, your quit group is February 2016 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11383298/). Mosey over that way and read up on How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/) and then get yourself on roll when you're nic free.

I would challenge you that if you're ready to quit, why not today? You say you've planned in the past and failed. The best way to break that cycle is to not give yourself room to put it off.

Plenty of excuses for why tomorrow's going to be a better day to quit. In reality, the best day to be quit is today!
Hey johnb!

I am in the February quit group... this is my 14th day. Post up as soon as possible and begin the journey to freedom!
4 days ahead of me! How are you feeling?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: jforrest1980 on November 23, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Hey everyone. I quit earlier in the year. I don't post much. But I had a really weird dip dream last night. It's actually freaking me out a bit. The dream was I had a sore where I use to hold my dip, I was walking by a park, at night, and my sore kept leaking this wet, white, Sandy material. So much I had to keep spitting it out. It was so grainy I couldn't get it off my tongue. Like milk mixed with sand. Then I woke up. It was really weird. My mouth was completely full of this wet sand like material seconds after spitting it out. I don't know why, but I'm kinda spooked today. It doesn't sound that bad reading this, but it was a nightmare for sure. And almost at my one year anniversary. I think this dream solidified me making it to a year.

Anyone had a similar dream?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Schwook on November 23, 2015, 06:33:00 PM
Hey everyone,

My first day is today. The thing I miss the most is my sense of smell, sure it's not all gone, but it definitely isn't as sharp as it used to be. Fresh rain on asphalt. Ahhh. I've started to get really bad acid reflux and it's making sleeping a chore. I can't do this crap anymore. Goodbye, SKOAL. You got me through many, many days in the hot middle east desert, but you were a crutch then, and a crutch now. I won't let the fear of being without some stinky, disgusting habit take my health away. RIP SKOAL MINT ADDICT!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on November 24, 2015, 07:37:00 AM
Schwook, congrats on deciding to quit.

Go to the March 16 quit group and post roll, exchange digits with some quitters.

Also check out the topics for military / vets for support.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: ILquitter on November 26, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
Hi all. So I've passed my one year quit day. This forum helped me get through the first couple weeks, but after that I struggled to remember to post roll early everyday, and got tired of guys yelling at me. Regardless, I am proud to say It has now been 1 year and 4 days since nicotine has entered my body. Y'a want to know something funny, I didn't think about dip once on my 1 year anniversary. In fact, I didn't even realize it was my 1 year anniversary until the day after! Hopefully that fact will give hope to some of you who feel like those cravings will never go away. Don't get me wrong I still get cravings from time to time, but I didn't on that day. Anyway, This forum was extremely helpful to me during the first couple weeks of my quit, and I just wanted to say thank you to those who run it, and apologize to those who I argued with. I was in a bad spot early in my quit, and i know I was rude to some people who were only trying to help me. Hopefully everyone understands. Good luck to all quitters, I know you can do it!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Callmeaquitter on December 01, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Hey guys. I'm 26 and I've been a heavy chewer for about 8 years now. Starting in high school playing ball and haven't been able to stop. Recently, I've been doing a little more than a tin a day of Grizzly WG pouches. I've tried to quit many times, but the dizziness and anxiety are so bad that I always go back to it for comfort.

This time I'm stopping for good and accepting the symptoms. Its been 15 hours of no nicotine and my anxiety is through the roof. I dont feel like myself at all and I can barely focus at work. I also feel almost shortness of breath. This is the longest I've gone without having nicotine in as long as I can remember (when I've "quit" in the past I've done nicotine gum). The anxiety is def the worst part. Has anyone else had similar feelings? How long do they last?

Stay strong everyone.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Tjschu on December 01, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
Callme congrats on making the best decision of your life. It takes 72 hrs for the nicotine to leave your system. After that it's all mind games. You should head on over to the March 16 group and post roll. Drink tons of water exercise until you can't do anymore then exercise some more. Grab some gum seeds fake whatever it takes to keep the shit out of your mouth. Call your doctor about your anxiety issues. He/she can prescribe so anti-anxiety Meds. A lot of folks on here have used them to help them quit. Just don't let them talk you into nicotine replacement therapy! It doesn't work and it's not allowed on here. Jump into live chat too. Vets in there can help you out and point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Skidwilly on December 01, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
Hello, i have been chewing 20+ years. I am very scared to quit. My mind seems to freeze with the thought of how I will cope with being without. I dip at work all day long, I know I will need help thru this. Just wanted to reach out before I jump, and never open that door again....tony
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 02, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
Tony, you are at the right place. We quit one day at a time here... That much we can do (and it does get easier over time). The best approach is to just flush your stash and get it over with -- you would have all the quitters at the March 2016 quit group right where you are in early quit suck... and getting past it.

Don't plan... the start dates tend to get pushed off. Do.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on December 02, 2015, 08:57:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Tony, you are at the right place. We quit one day at a time here... That much we can do (and it does get easier over time). The best approach is to just flush your stash and get it over with -- you would have all the quitters at the March 2016 quit group right where you are in early quit suck... and getting past it.

Don't plan... the start dates tend to get pushed off. Do.
I'd second what nomore is saying... don't wait... quit.

Here's a little something I wrote a few years back that talks about setting a quit date and all the time you can't get back.

http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/53-d ... -get-back/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/53-days-ill-never-get-back/)

chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on December 02, 2015, 09:03:00 PM
Quote from: chewie
Quote from: Nomore1959
Tony, you are at the right place. We quit one day at a time here... That much we can do (and it does get easier over time). The best approach is to just flush your stash and get it over with -- you would have all the quitters at the March 2016 quit group right where you are in early quit suck... and getting past it.

Don't plan... the start dates tend to get pushed off. Do.
I'd second what nomore is saying... don't wait... quit.

Here's a little something I wrote a few years back that talks about setting a quit date and all the time you can't get back.

http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/53-d ... -get-back/ (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/06/53-days-ill-never-get-back/)

chewie
Hey Tony. I'm echoing Chewie and No More. Flush it now and set yourself free. How many times have you said "I' gonna quit after (enter any event, birthday, holiday, whatever... In this spot.)"

What makes you think it will be different this time? Cmon bro, join this brotherhood and see how awesome freedom can be.

You can do this! You have to get through the first few days and with the awesome support here and endless amount of stuff to read, it will fly by. You can do this!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: kdkk09 on December 03, 2015, 12:56:00 AM
Wow! I cant believe this is really happening, just finishing day 9 of my quit.(after 40 yrs of the pure joy of raw gums/jaws, nasty breath and not being able to spit out a chew unless I knew I had a back up ready to go.) Cravings have slowed down they are not constant anymore. When they do show up they are strong, you just gotta stay strong and battle. Believe it or not they do go away. Jumped a huge hurdle today. Went to gas up the truck at the local Get n Go my usual chew stop. I always bought an extra can when I filled up the truck, you know you can never have to much Cope. Standing there gassing up and I swear I could hear the tobacco rack calling my name. I pulled out my phone went to the KTC website and read the story of Jenny and Tom Kern. Hit me like a brick to the skull. I did all the same things to my wife, lies, deception, whatever it took to keep her off my back so I could get my next dip. How stupid we are!!!!! I'm gonna keep on Grinding till I kick this crap to the curb. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 03, 2015, 06:01:00 AM
Kdkk, that is a big win. As addicts we face that call of the tobacco rack every day forever. Reading KTC does help kick craves to the curb. You could also join a quit group and get active here as a way to strengthen your quit. Lots of us old folks post roll here every day -- I chewed Copenhagen for 35 years and am quit 202 days now. It will keep getting better as you stay quit.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 03, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: kdkk09
Wow! I cant believe this is really happening, just finishing day 9 of my quit.(after 40 yrs of the pure joy of raw gums/jaws, nasty breath and not being able to spit out a chew unless I knew I had a back up ready to go.) Cravings have slowed down they are not constant anymore. When they do show up they are strong, you just gotta stay strong and battle. Believe it or not they do go away. Jumped a huge hurdle today. Went to gas up the truck at the local Get n Go my usual chew stop. I always bought an extra can when I filled up the truck, you know you can never have to much Cope. Standing there gassing up and I swear I could hear the tobacco rack calling my name. I pulled out my phone went to the KTC website and read the story of Jenny and Tom Kern. Hit me like a brick to the skull. I did all the same things to my wife, lies, deception, whatever it took to keep her off my back so I could get my next dip. How stupid we are!!!!! I'm gonna keep on Grinding till I kick this crap to the curb. Thanks for the help.
^^ great story and huge victory!! I assume you are on roll?
Stay quit brother
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on December 03, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: Callmeaquitter
Hey guys. I'm 26 and I've been a heavy chewer for about 8 years now. Starting in high school playing ball and haven't been able to stop. Recently, I've been doing a little more than a tin a day of Grizzly WG pouches. I've tried to quit many times, but the dizziness and anxiety are so bad that I always go back to it for comfort.

This time I'm stopping for good and accepting the symptoms. Its been 15 hours of no nicotine and my anxiety is through the roof. I dont feel like myself at all and I can barely focus at work. I also feel almost shortness of breath. This is the longest I've gone without having nicotine in as long as I can remember (when I've "quit" in the past I've done nicotine gum). The anxiety is def the worst part. Has anyone else had similar feelings? How long do they last?

Stay strong everyone.
Hey CMAQ, I sure hope you didn't use your birthday today as a reason to go back and start humping that can. I don't see you on roll today, so I can only wonder.... Get back in here man, I promise you that being quit is SO worth the early struggles. Don't wait until it's too late.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on December 03, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: Callmeaquitter
Hey guys. I'm 26 and I've been a heavy chewer for about 8 years now. Starting in high school playing ball and haven't been able to stop. Recently, I've been doing a little more than a tin a day of Grizzly WG pouches. I've tried to quit many times, but the dizziness and anxiety are so bad that I always go back to it for comfort.

This time I'm stopping for good and accepting the symptoms. Its been 15 hours of no nicotine and my anxiety is through the roof. I dont feel like myself at all and I can barely focus at work. I also feel almost shortness of breath. This is the longest I've gone without having nicotine in as long as I can remember (when I've "quit" in the past I've done nicotine gum). The anxiety is def the worst part. Has anyone else had similar feelings? How long do they last?

Stay strong everyone.
Hey CMAQ, I sure hope you didn't use your birthday today as a reason to go back and start humping that can. I don't see you on roll today, so I can only wonder.... Get back in here man, I promise you that being quit is SO worth the early struggles. Don't wait until it's too late.
Callme, King is all over it!! Life is so much better on the "other side" of the quit fence. You are a young man. Trust me, if you don't do this now you will be 50 years old and back here trying to quit. I know because that was me.

You must suffer through the initial SUCK in order to gain freedom. If we can do it so can you. Get back in here and man up bro!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RNC on December 03, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
I'll be 5 days or 120 hours dip free at midnight EST tonight, after 1 can/day of Grizzly Wintergreen for over 8 years (currently age 39). Woke up on Sunday after a night of drinking, dipping, and even smoking for the first time in over a year and had a really strange feeling under my tongue and behind my lower jaw and decided it was finally time to quit (after several previous failed attempts). My tongue, gums and throat feel very strange at the moment, more of a tender and numb feeling than pain. I really haven't had a craving because of the strange sensations and worrying that I waited too long before quitting.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 03, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
RNC, strange mouth feelings are pretty normal. Your mouth chemistry changes, your blood flow changes, and orally something is missing. That said, don't worry, see a dentist  tell them what's up... if it is a problem they will deal with it. If not, both you and the dentist have a baseline. I went in for a cleaning around day 170... my dentist was amazed at how much healthier my mouth and gums were (I chewed a can a day of Copenhagen for 35 years, and had my own mouth weirdness going on).

Beyond that, join a quit group* with people quit the same time as you... compare notes, read what quitters of more days say, get through the worries and on to freedom and better life.

* March 2016 (maybe February 2016) will get to 100 days quit same time as you. 5 days alone is bad ass! Stay quit by joining a group and take a load off. ** note, I see you posted roll already!!! Outstanding!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RNC on December 03, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: Nomore1959
RNC, strange mouth feelings are pretty normal. Your mouth chemistry changes, your blood flow changes, and orally something is missing. That said, don't worry, see a dentist  tell them what's up... if it is a problem they will deal with it. If not, both you and the dentist have a baseline. I went in for a cleaning around day 170... my dentist was amazed at how much healthier my mouth and gums were (I chewed a can a day of Copenhagen for 35 years, and had my own mouth weirdness going on).

Beyond that, join a quit group* with people quit the same time as you... compare notes, read what quitters of more days say, get through the worries and on to freedom and better life.

* March 2016 (maybe February 2016) will get to 100 days quit same time as you. 5 days alone is bad ass! Stay quit by joining a group and take a load off. ** note, I see you posted roll already!!! Outstanding!
Thanks, I'm glad I found this site and look forward to actively participating. I've never really posted in online forums before so it will take some getting used to.

What got my attention Sunday morning were the strange/terrible oral sensations before I even quit, although I had made 1 can last 4 days prior to that in initial efforts to taper down. Maybe the smoking Saturday night was really the culprit, but the sensations scared me and that was probably a good thing.

The dip fog is certainly present, went for a walk this evening to pass some time and felt completely lost. My lower front teeth hurt and have been a bit loose for a while. The gums have definitely receded and I know won't grow back but hopefully quitting now will arrest the damage and my mouth will recover from the constant assault over the last 8+ years.

After many half-hearted quit attempts, I'm finally serious about it.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 03, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Quote from: RNC
Quote from: Nomore1959
RNC, strange mouth feelings are pretty normal. Your mouth chemistry changes, your blood flow changes, and orally something is missing. That said, don't worry, see a dentist  tell them what's up... if it is a problem they will deal with it. If not, both you and the dentist have a baseline. I went in for a cleaning around day 170... my dentist was amazed at how much healthier my mouth and gums were (I chewed a can a day of Copenhagen for 35 years, and had my own mouth weirdness going on).

Beyond that, join a quit group* with people quit the same time as you... compare notes, read what quitters of more days say, get through the worries and on to freedom and better life.

* March 2016 (maybe February 2016) will get to 100 days quit same time as you. 5 days alone is bad ass! Stay quit by joining a group and take a load off. ** note, I see you posted roll already!!! Outstanding!
Thanks, I'm glad I found this site and look forward to actively participating. I've never really posted in online forums before so it will take some getting used to.

What got my attention Sunday morning were the strange/terrible oral sensations before I even quit, although I had made 1 can last 4 days prior to that in initial efforts to taper down. Maybe the smoking Saturday night was really the culprit, but the sensations scared me and that was probably a good thing.

The dip fog is certainly present, went for a walk this evening to pass some time and felt completely lost. My lower front teeth hurt and have been a bit loose for a while. The gums have definitely receded and I know won't grow back but hopefully quitting now will arrest the damage and my mouth will recover from the constant assault over the last 8+ years.

After many half-hearted quit attempts, I'm finally serious about it.
Yeah, the sore teeth thing I remember. Gums will not grow back, but they will tighten around your teeth after a while. The one thing I'm sure of is more nicotine will not help any of that.

I hear you about joining an online thing. It is weird, but this place works!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Cope30 on December 03, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: RNC
Quote from: Nomore1959
RNC, strange mouth feelings are pretty normal. Your mouth chemistry changes, your blood flow changes, and orally something is missing. That said, don't worry, see a dentist  tell them what's up... if it is a problem they will deal with it. If not, both you and the dentist have a baseline. I went in for a cleaning around day 170... my dentist was amazed at how much healthier my mouth and gums were (I chewed a can a day of Copenhagen for 35 years, and had my own mouth weirdness going on).

Beyond that, join a quit group* with people quit the same time as you... compare notes, read what quitters of more days say, get through the worries and on to freedom and better life.

* March 2016 (maybe February 2016) will get to 100 days quit same time as you. 5 days alone is bad ass! Stay quit by joining a group and take a load off. ** note, I see you posted roll already!!! Outstanding!
Thanks, I'm glad I found this site and look forward to actively participating. I've never really posted in online forums before so it will take some getting used to.

What got my attention Sunday morning were the strange/terrible oral sensations before I even quit, although I had made 1 can last 4 days prior to that in initial efforts to taper down. Maybe the smoking Saturday night was really the culprit, but the sensations scared me and that was probably a good thing.

The dip fog is certainly present, went for a walk this evening to pass some time and felt completely lost. My lower front teeth hurt and have been a bit loose for a while. The gums have definitely receded and I know won't grow back but hopefully quitting now will arrest the damage and my mouth will recover from the constant assault over the last 8+ years.

After many half-hearted quit attempts, I'm finally serious about it.
Get serious and stay serious, this site will defiantly help you with your quit. Get involved and take it day by day, that's the only way you will be able to stay quit, these guys might be hard on you at times but its just part of the brotherhood.......welcome to the brotherhood. Post roll EDD and don't cave.
Congrats on the quit!!!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RNC on December 05, 2015, 07:25:00 AM
Quote from: Cope30
Get serious and stay serious, this site will defiantly help you with your quit. Get involved and take it day by day, that's the only way you will be able to stay quit, these guys might be hard on you at times but its just part of the brotherhood.......welcome to the brotherhood. Post roll EDD and don't cave.
Congrats on the quit!!!
Thanks, beginning day 7 and man I thought this would start getting easier after 3 days with the nic completely flushed from the body. WRONG! This will be a long, perhaps lifelong battle to avoid that crap. I had made it 3 days just once before a couple years ago but was chewing the nic gum so it doesn't really count.

Posting roll and that accountability are helping
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: cbird65 on December 05, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: RNC
Quote from: Cope30
Get serious and stay serious, this site will defiantly help you with your quit. Get involved and take it day by day, that's the only way you will be able to stay quit, these guys might be hard on you at times but its just part of the brotherhood.......welcome to the brotherhood. Post roll EDD and don't cave.
Congrats on the quit!!!
Thanks, beginning day 7 and man I thought this would start getting easier after 3 days with the nic completely flushed from the body. WRONG! This will be a long, perhaps lifelong battle to avoid that crap. I had made it 3 days just once before a couple years ago but was chewing the nic gum so it doesn't really count.

Posting roll and that accountability are helping
be determined to battle your addiction daily

I remember saying to myself early on.... I need to isolate myself from nicotine and identify those 'triggers and/or life events' from my past where I fell for the lie of "nic will take the edge off"
or " I'll enjoy this event or situation more" by stuffing my pie-hole w a product that dopes my brain, increases blood pressure and could potentially kill me.

Not picking on your choice of wording, but avoiding is a defensive posture.

Confront this battle and use this site to learn how to beat this shit one day at a time! Don't focus on forever. Fight for every minute, then every hour.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Knewsom62 on December 08, 2015, 07:28:00 AM
Hey guys and gals, today is the day i am throwing the can away. I was sitting in my recliner watching the dallas and redskins game last night and my daughter ran over and grabbed my spit bottle and drank it and become very sick. After seeing that i tossed the can. If anyone has any tips or tricks to help out id love to hear them. Its been 11 hours since my last dip and im hurting, i have so many triggers, driving to work, work in general, hunting, fishing and all my friends dip. Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 08, 2015, 08:33:00 AM
Quote from: Knewsom62
Hey guys and gals, today is the day i am throwing the can away. I was sitting in my recliner watching the dallas and redskins game last night and my daughter ran over and grabbed my spit bottle and drank it and become very sick. After seeing that i tossed the can. If anyone has any tips or tricks to help out id love to hear them. Its been 11 hours since my last dip and im hurting, i have so many triggers, driving to work, work in general, hunting, fishing and all my friends dip. Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.
Terrible wake up call.

As for suggestions:

join the March 2016 quit group, post your promise to not use nicotine for 24 hours there (aka post roll, don't worry if it is technically perfect, just make the promise and get your name and day 1 out there). You will do this every morning when you wake.

create an intro to journal your quit, track how bad the withdrawal symptoms are, track your victories. Include your reasons for quit. Include this post as a permanent reminder to yourself.

exchange phone numbers with other quitters. I helps to have people to talk to on bad days.

drink lots of water,exercise, and read the HOF speeches and words of wisdom... everything on this site to learn how to free yourself from nicotine. We remain addicts, but are not controlled by our addiction.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on December 08, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Knewsom62
Hey guys and gals, today is the day i am throwing the can away. I was sitting in my recliner watching the dallas and redskins game last night and my daughter ran over and grabbed my spit bottle and drank it and become very sick. After seeing that i tossed the can. If anyone has any tips or tricks to help out id love to hear them. Its been 11 hours since my last dip and im hurting, i have so many triggers, driving to work, work in general, hunting, fishing and all my friends dip. Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.
Terrible wake up call.

As for suggestions:

join the March 2016 quit group, post your promise to not use nicotine for 24 hours there (aka post roll, don't worry if it is technically perfect, just make the promise and get your name and day 1 out there). You will do this every morning when you wake.

create an intro to journal your quit, track how bad the withdrawal symptoms are, track your victories. Include your reasons for quit. Include this post as a permanent reminder to yourself.

exchange phone numbers with other quitters. I helps to have people to talk to on bad days.

drink lots of water,exercise, and read the HOF speeches and words of wisdom... everything on this site to learn how to free yourself from nicotine. We remain addicts, but are not controlled by our addiction.
There will be a time during your quit when you're craving. Your brain will play some crazy tricks on you and will do anything to get you to feed it dip.

Your brain will trick you into remembering the episode with your daughter as "cute" and something to laugh at.

Remember it for what it was... your daughter drinking your dip spit.

Use that memory to feed your success. You've taken the right step. And believe it or not, your daughter just gave you an early Christmas present.

Welcome aboard.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 08, 2015, 11:54:00 AM
http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sale ... cleveland/ (http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sales-to-people-under-21-banned-in-cleveland/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 08, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: Idaho
http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sale ... cleveland/ (http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sales-to-people-under-21-banned-in-cleveland/)
Nice move, Cleveland.

I'm also intrigued by the City's decision to only hire non-smoking users. I wonder if that applies to smokeless and vape users as well.

On the cynical side, how many people here started using nicotine before they were 18? I didn't, but it seems to be a pretty common theme, especially among dippers (purely anecdotal of course).
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 08, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: Idaho
http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sale ... cleveland/ (http://fox8.com/2015/12/07/tobacco-sales-to-people-under-21-banned-in-cleveland/)
Nice move, Cleveland.

I'm also intrigued by the City's decision to only hire non-smoking users. I wonder if that applies to smokeless and vape users as well.

On the cynical side, how many people here started using nicotine before they were 18? I didn't, but it seems to be a pretty common theme, especially among dippers (purely anecdotal of course).
I know a number of companies that don't allow their employees to use tobacco products, lumber companies, etc. Smart business move especially since insurance companies will give better rates to the employer and employees.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Diesel2112 on December 08, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... e-smokers/ (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/12/popcorn-lung-seen-in-e-cigarette-smokers/)
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 08, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: Diesel2112
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... e-smokers/ (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/12/popcorn-lung-seen-in-e-cigarette-smokers/)
Who'da thunk it that vaporizing a chemical mixture made for a market that's still way ahead of it's regulation could have possible negative health effects.

It's almost like when people started dying from the synthetic THC alternatives that were constantly being reformulated to avoid drug screening. They tend to run out of "safe" variants long before they run out of desire to make money.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: shawnnnnn on December 09, 2015, 02:17:00 AM
My quit lasted two weeks before I craved ughhhhhh...... Do they craving ever go away?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 09, 2015, 06:06:00 AM
Quote from: shawnnnnn
My quit lasted two weeks before I craved ughhhhhh...... Do they craving ever go away?
Shawn, the cravings last but get less intense (mostly). Our addiction to nicotine is for a lifetime.

The path is to build up a plan to deal with each trigger: like driving or after dinner.

We also join a quit group and make a promise to use no nicotine for 24 hours. Then have a group to bitch at when craves hit / support eachother to keep nicotine at bay.

Two weeks is a good start (even if you caved rather than craved -- we have all been there). Go to the March 2016 quit group -- a bunch of strangers who have quit in the past couple weeks. They are fighting addiction and getting lots of support. You can get help there too.

Also, look into fake dip (non-tobacco no nicotine like Smokey Mountain) seeds, hard candy, gum to separate the oral fixation from the nicotine addiction. Do what it takes to keep nicotine out of your system.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on December 09, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: shawnnnnn
My quit lasted two weeks before I craved ughhhhhh...... Do they craving ever go away?
Shawn, the cravings last but get less intense (mostly). Our addiction to nicotine is for a lifetime.

The path is to build up a plan to deal with each trigger: like driving or after dinner.

We also join a quit group and make a promise to use no nicotine for 24 hours. Then have a group to bitch at when craves hit / support eachother to keep nicotine at bay.

Two weeks is a good start (even if you caved rather than craved -- we have all been there). Go to the March 2016 quit group -- a bunch of strangers who have quit in the past couple weeks. They are fighting addiction and getting lots of support. You can get help there too.

Also, look into fake dip (non-tobacco no nicotine like Smokey Mountain) seeds, hard candy, gum to separate the oral fixation from the nicotine addiction. Do what it takes to keep nicotine out of your system.
Yep. They go away. But definitely not i two weeks. In fact, that two week mark can be particularly brutal.

http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures ... -weakness/ (http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/2-week-weakness/)

Take Nomore1959's advice... get involved. You'll be happy you did.

Chewie
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: shawnnnnn on December 11, 2015, 01:54:00 AM
Is half strength nicotine non tobacco a good idea for like a week or two and then zero strength or nicotine gum?
'bang head'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 11, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: shawnnnnn
Is half strength nicotine non tobacco a good idea for like a week or two and then zero strength or nicotine gum?
'bang head'
I hate to break it to you, but we quit nicotine free and advocate cold turkey. The only thing you're doing is prolonging the change you're body chemistry makes when you quit. I don't have the links handy, but basically, there's little to no improvement in quitting success rates by using nicotine replacement therapy (NRT: gum, patches, etc.).

If you're using NRT, you haven't quit. You need to actually quit using nicotine.

If you're craving, drink water. Chew sunflower seeds. Do some pushups. Go for a jog. Chew regular gum. Suck on hard candies. You can try an herbal, fake chew (e.g. Baccoff, Smokey Mountain, etc. - see the main site for reviews). I never used to chew gum (largely because it didn't go well with the constant cat turd in my mouth), but O went through Dentyne Ice like nobody's business for the first 3 months of my quit. I still make sure I keep some handy, just in case.

Just quit. Promise not to use nicotine in any form today. Keep your promise.

We'll worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JMacBigQuit on December 11, 2015, 11:18:00 AM
Getting ready for the first drive without chew, without that crap that has been in my lip for the better part of a decade. This will be one of the hardest things for me. I've already prepared with lots of gum, hard candy, sunflower seeds, but I imagine it will still suck, and it will be the first big crave that I have in this journey, because I'm already dreading it. But reading through comments and some of the literature I know that I can make it, mostly because a ton of bad ass quitters already have. So time to turn the key, set the cruise, and kick the dip!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 11, 2015, 11:29:00 AM
Have lots of water handy. Have fellow quitter numbers you can text when you stop for gas and the nic display is talking to you. Beat nicotine today.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JMacBigQuit on December 11, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
As new quitters, and long time bad ass quitters, at lease for me, I hate the dentist. I have probably avoided the dentist for 18 months, and now I have built up a crazy nervousness about it that I can't even call the damn dentist. How did you get over it and just go in. We all as dippers have felt around in our mouths over the years and pondered, freaked out, straight up lost it because of a bump, a cut, a mark or really anything that wasn't just as it was the last time we looked. How do you put this fear away, sack up, and just go to the dentist. Someone help me!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: chewie on December 11, 2015, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: JMacBigQuit
As new quitters, and long time bad ass quitters, at lease for me, I hate the dentist. I have probably avoided the dentist for 18 months, and now I have built up a crazy nervousness about it that I can't even call the damn dentist. How did you get over it and just go in. We all as dippers have felt around in our mouths over the years and pondered, freaked out, straight up lost it because of a bump, a cut, a mark or really anything that wasn't just as it was the last time we looked. How do you put this fear away, sack up, and just go to the dentist. Someone help me!
I'll simply say this...

What's scarier... the dentist or cancer?

Make the call. Go in, get some peace of mind. You'll be glad you did.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: shawnnnnn on December 11, 2015, 04:19:00 PM
Alright starting the quit today, threw away all the cans and got my herbal cans in the mail this morning, so here we go.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 11, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: shawnnnnn
Alright starting the quit today, threw away all the cans and got my herbal cans in the mail this morning, so here we go.
Best decision you will ever make. Did you post roll yet? That is your promise to yourself and your fellow quitters to not use nicotine for one day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RNC on December 11, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: JMacBigQuit
As new quitters, and long time bad ass quitters, at lease for me, I hate the dentist. I have probably avoided the dentist for 18 months, and now I have built up a crazy nervousness about it that I can't even call the damn dentist. How did you get over it and just go in. We all as dippers have felt around in our mouths over the years and pondered, freaked out, straight up lost it because of a bump, a cut, a mark or really anything that wasn't just as it was the last time we looked. How do you put this fear away, sack up, and just go to the dentist. Someone help me!
I avoided the dentist for much, much longer than 18 months. It was 7 years actually and when I finally went again in 2014 I had 22 fillings done over the course of 3 days (not fun). Many of them were along the gum line from teeth grinding damage but surely the 7 years of prior dipping did not help.

And I finally visited the dentist again earlier this week after quitting. Just do it. Be honest, they have seen everything before and will know how to deal with any issues. In my case, the dentist visit stopped my extreme anxiety (which unfortunately triggered a craving, "I'm all right after all...") but my roll post from that morning shut the craving down.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: shawnnnnn on December 12, 2015, 03:10:00 AM
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: shawnnnnn
Alright starting the quit today, threw away all the cans and got my herbal cans in the mail this morning, so here we go.
Best decision you will ever make. Did you post roll yet? That is your promise to yourself and your fellow quitters to not use nicotine for one day.
No I haven't how do I do that?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 12, 2015, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: shawnnnnn
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: shawnnnnn
Alright starting the quit today, threw away all the cans and got my herbal cans in the mail this morning, so here we go.
Best decision you will ever make. Did you post roll yet? That is your promise to yourself and your fellow quitters to not use nicotine for one day.
No I haven't how do I do that?
Go to the March Quit group, here: topic/11424456/103/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11424456/103/)

Make sure you are on the last page. Say hi. Roll is the big repeated post, it has a link with instructions... give it a try. It takes most of us a few days to get it right, so give it your best shot.

Post roll every morning when you wake up, then quit for that day.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JMacBigQuit on December 12, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: JMacBigQuit
As new quitters, and long time bad ass quitters, at lease for me, I hate the dentist. I have probably avoided the dentist for 18 months, and now I have built up a crazy nervousness about it that I can't even call the damn dentist. How did you get over it and just go in. We all as dippers have felt around in our mouths over the years and pondered, freaked out, straight up lost it because of a bump, a cut, a mark or really anything that wasn't just as it was the last time we looked. How do you put this fear away, sack up, and just go to the dentist. Someone help me!
I'll simply say this...

What's scarier... the dentist or cancer?

Make the call. Go in, get some peace of mind. You'll be glad you did.

Thanks man, making the call on Monday when they are open again.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 15, 2015, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: JMacBigQuit
Quote from: JMacBigQuit
As new quitters, and long time bad ass quitters, at lease for me, I hate the dentist. I have probably avoided the dentist for 18 months, and now I have built up a crazy nervousness about it that I can't even call the damn dentist. How did you get over it and just go in. We all as dippers have felt around in our mouths over the years and pondered, freaked out, straight up lost it because of a bump, a cut, a mark or really anything that wasn't just as it was the last time we looked. How do you put this fear away, sack up, and just go to the dentist. Someone help me!
I'll simply say this...

What's scarier... the dentist or cancer?

Make the call. Go in, get some peace of mind. You'll be glad you did.

Thanks man, making the call on Monday when they are open again.
The mind can be a lot scarier than reality. Get to the dentist, tell them you quit, tell them about KTC. They will give you a good look over and then you will be able to sleep at night.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Garrett A on December 17, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
So I don't know about any of the Tobaccoless snuses, I want to try them but how do any of you feel about the Strong mint flavored toothpics to help mitigate those cravings?
On day one and I'm real nervous about tomorrow but I threw away all my nic cans, so lets do this
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Stranger999 on December 17, 2015, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Garrett
So I don't know about any of the Tobaccoless snuses, I want to try them but how do any of you feel about the Strong mint flavored toothpics to help mitigate those cravings?
On day one and I'm real nervous about tomorrow but I threw away all my nic cans, so lets do this
I'd say anything that you use to keep that filth out of your mouth is perfect. I went with sugarless gum and sunflower seeds. I'm told dipping cotton balls can help. It's really up to each individual to figure out what works best for them. There are some fake alternatives that I never tried but there are reviews on the KTC front page. B)B
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Murmur71 on December 17, 2015, 06:49:00 PM
Quote from: Stranger999
Quote from: Garrett
So I don't know about any of the Tobaccoless snuses, I want to try them but how do any of you feel about the Strong mint flavored toothpics to help mitigate those cravings?
On day one and I'm real nervous about tomorrow but I threw away all my nic cans, so lets do this
I'd say anything that you use to keep that filth out of your mouth is perfect. I went with sugarless gum and sunflower seeds. I'm told dipping cotton balls can help. It's really up to each individual to figure out what works best for them. There are some fake alternatives that I never tried but there are reviews on the KTC front page. B)B
Hey Garrett. Stranger is right, whatever helps you through it, but I'll add my two cents anyway.

I used the fake stuff for a month or so. I still keep some in the drawer just in case. For me it was the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. Do yourself a favor and order a bunch of it on amazon or online somewhere. Don't risk going into a Wal-Mart or convenience store to ask for it. I did and about had a nervous breakdown staring at all the real stuff.

I still don't venture into gas stations anymore - and it's been 165 days for me.

Drink loads of water, stay away from alcohol, put together a list of chores - stay fucking busy. Then go to bed early. Keep this site open on a window on your computer. Read the stories, venture into other quit groups, use the chat feature. We've all been there. We know your pain. If you want to get pissed, get pissed at one of us - we can take it.

That's the equation that worked best for me, and still does.

It does get easier, I promise you. I still think about it - but man, I'm damn proud of my 165 day number and going back to 1 just isn't an option.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: whiteman on December 20, 2015, 01:48:00 PM
I have a question. Today is my day 1 and I was wondering if anybody tried the nicotine gum when they were quitting and if it was helpful?
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Nomore1959 on December 20, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: whiteman
I have a question. Today is my day 1 and I was wondering if anybody tried the nicotine gum when they were quitting and if it was helpful?
First, this site is a cold turkey site. No nicotine use at all.

As far as nicotine replacement, all a step down or replacement does is prolong the pain. At some point you will stop ingesting nicotine, that is when the suck of physical withdrawal starts. It is 72 hours or so after that before you are free from physical presence of nicotine and healing truly begins.

The most common issue is anxiety, and doctors can treat that directly without putting poison in your system.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: whiteman on December 21, 2015, 06:59:00 AM
The only reason I asked was because my doctor brought up nicotine replacement when I told him I was quitting.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: KingNothing on December 21, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: whiteman
The only reason I asked was because my doctor brought up nicotine replacement when I told him I was quitting.
You don't need nicotine to quit nicotine Whitey. Trust me and trust the close to 30,000 other people on this site. We've done it with no NRT. How stupid is that name anyway? Nicotine Replacement Therapy? First, you're not replacing nicotine, but you're still introducing it into your system, just through a different method. Second, what the hell kind of therapy is killing yourself?

You can do this man. It's not always going to be easy, but you will never regret being on this side of the fence.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: JB65 on December 22, 2015, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: whiteman
The only reason I asked was because my doctor brought up nicotine replacement when I told him I was quitting.
You don't need nicotine to quit nicotine Whitey. Trust me and trust the close to 30,000 other people on this site. We've done it with no NRT. How stupid is that name anyway? Nicotine Replacement Therapy? First, you're not replacing nicotine, but you're still introducing it into your system, just through a different method. Second, what the hell kind of therapy is killing yourself?

You can do this man. It's not always going to be easy, but you will never regret being on this side of the fence.
What King said... for sure.

Get the SUCK over with now. NRT just prolongs the inevitable. You are going to have to quit it altogether someday. Why not just do it now? If an old 30+ year dipper like me can do it, you certainly can bro. Join us and set yourself free!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 22, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: JB65
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: whiteman
The only reason I asked was because my doctor brought up nicotine replacement when I told him I was quitting.
You don't need nicotine to quit nicotine Whitey. Trust me and trust the close to 30,000 other people on this site. We've done it with no NRT. How stupid is that name anyway? Nicotine Replacement Therapy? First, you're not replacing nicotine, but you're still introducing it into your system, just through a different method. Second, what the hell kind of therapy is killing yourself?

You can do this man. It's not always going to be easy, but you will never regret being on this side of the fence.
What King said... for sure.

Get the SUCK over with now. NRT just prolongs the inevitable. You are going to have to quit it altogether someday. Why not just do it now? If an old 30+ year dipper like me can do it, you certainly can bro. Join us and set yourself free!
Doctors bring up NRT, because it's what they know. Depending on the study, NRT seems to have very little long term effect on someone's likelihood of quitting for life. But hey, it's something they can offer up because they aren't set up to provide the level of support quitting really tends to require. Fortunately, you found KTC.

FWIW, I worked with a guy who had been a pretty heavy dipper. He'd stopped dipping five years ago. You could hear him smacking nicotine gum in the office pretty much constantly.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Grievous Angel on December 23, 2015, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: JB65
Quote from: KingNothing
Quote from: whiteman
The only reason I asked was because my doctor brought up nicotine replacement when I told him I was quitting.
You don't need nicotine to quit nicotine Whitey. Trust me and trust the close to 30,000 other people on this site. We've done it with no NRT. How stupid is that name anyway? Nicotine Replacement Therapy? First, you're not replacing nicotine, but you're still introducing it into your system, just through a different method. Second, what the hell kind of therapy is killing yourself?

You can do this man. It's not always going to be easy, but you will never regret being on this side of the fence.
What King said... for sure.

Get the SUCK over with now. NRT just prolongs the inevitable. You are going to have to quit it altogether someday. Why not just do it now? If an old 30+ year dipper like me can do it, you certainly can bro. Join us and set yourself free!
Doctors bring up NRT, because it's what they know. Depending on the study, NRT seems to have very little long term effect on someone's likelihood of quitting for life. But hey, it's something they can offer up because they aren't set up to provide the level of support quitting really tends to require. Fortunately, you found KTC.

FWIW, I worked with a guy who had been a pretty heavy dipper. He'd stopped dipping five years ago. You could hear him smacking nicotine gum in the office pretty much constantly.
NRT is just another delivery platform. Even if you DO it correctly, you're simply prolonging the withdrawals.

Why would anyone want to do that? It's like ripping off a bandaid. Cold turkey is best.

I tried my own "NRT" by "cutting back." Never worked. Was just miserable all the time and wound up dipping more.

There's a guy in my office who has walked around sucking on nic gum for as long as I've known him.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: RollTideRoll on December 25, 2015, 12:11:00 AM
Im cross posting this from March 2016 group, but if any potential words help anyone...


This is a great quote, and will relate to nicotine.

"I hate losing more than I like winning. There's no doubt about that. The feeling that sticks with you when you fail or don't have success or lose, that's what drives you to keep trying to do it the right way. I don't know if it's fear of failure as much as it is the fear of the feeling of failing. You just don't want to have that feeling of what it's like to lose" - Nick Saban

Dont lose the fight. Quit EDD

And RMFT
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: gettinganswers on December 29, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
No idea if this is the right place to ask, but how long does the constipation and general intestines feeling out of whack last? I know everyone is different and the best answer is probably "it lasts as long as it lasts" but if there seems to be a consensus. Thanks
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Idaho Spuds on December 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: gettinganswers
No idea if this is the right place to ask, but how long does the constipation and general intestines feeling out of whack last? I know everyone is different and the best answer is probably "it lasts as long as it lasts" but if there seems to be a consensus. Thanks
It takes a couple weeks for sure. Coffee helps and if not get on some fiber and drink tons of water, etc.
Quitting will uncover all kinds a hidden issues like diets and lake of drinking water, etc.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dougiequits on December 30, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
This might be the dumbest question you read all day...and I'm not even sure if this is the place to ask....

Being new and not too familiar with blogs/forums....I see when multiple people reply to someones topic, the responses stagger themselves with those blue boxes....how are you guys doing that? When I quote, it just copies...or when I reply it just posts as a new topic or message.

Sorry for the dumbass question 'bang head'
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 30, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
Quote from: dougiequits
This might be the dumbest question you read all day...and I'm not even sure if this is the place to ask....

Being new and not too familiar with blogs/forums....I see when multiple people reply to someones topic, the responses stagger themselves with those blue boxes....how are you guys doing that? When I quote, it just copies...or when I reply it just posts as a new topic or message.

Sorry for the dumbass question 'bang head'
Not a dumb question. We all start somewhere.

In the lower right corner of a post is a button labeled "quote".

That will bring you to a posting screen that has two large text boxes. The top box is for you to add your comments. The bottom box contains the quoted post(s).

Note 1: For posting roll you must cut the text from the lower box and paste it into the top box. This keeps roll from vortexing.

Note 2: You can manually make a quote box by using the bbcode quote tag.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dougiequits on December 30, 2015, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: dougiequits
This might be the dumbest question you read all day...and I'm not even sure if this is the place to ask....

Being new and not too familiar with blogs/forums....I see when multiple people reply to someones topic, the responses stagger themselves with those blue boxes....how are you guys doing that? When I quote, it just copies...or when I reply it just posts as a new topic or message.

Sorry for the dumbass question 'bang head'
Not a dumb question. We all start somewhere.

In the lower right corner of a post is a button labeled "quote".

That will bring you to a posting screen that has two large text boxes. The top box is for you to add your comments. The bottom box contains the quoted post(s).

Note 1: For posting roll you must cut the text from the lower box and paste it into the top box. This keeps roll from vortexing.

Note 2: You can manually make a quote box by using the bbcode quote tag.

Hope that helps!
I think I got it, lets see...
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: dougiequits on December 30, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: dougiequits
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: dougiequits
This might be the dumbest question you read all day...and I'm not even sure if this is the place to ask....

Being new and not too familiar with blogs/forums....I see when multiple people reply to someones topic, the responses stagger themselves with those blue boxes....how are you guys doing that? When I quote, it just copies...or when I reply it just posts as a new topic or message.

Sorry for the dumbass question 'bang head'
Not a dumb question. We all start somewhere.

In the lower right corner of a post is a button labeled "quote".

That will bring you to a posting screen that has two large text boxes. The top box is for you to add your comments. The bottom box contains the quoted post(s).

Note 1: For posting roll you must cut the text from the lower box and paste it into the top box. This keeps roll from vortexing.

Note 2: You can manually make a quote box by using the bbcode quote tag.

Hope that helps!
I think I got it, lets see...
So freakin simple....


But thank you!
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Wetfeet on December 30, 2015, 11:44:00 PM
Not sure where this goes but been looking around the site for a few days and finally signed up tonight.
Brandon "wetfeet" here 40 yrs old been dipping since I was 13. I did manage to trash the can about 12 years ago only to pick it back up 5 years later. A little more then 24 hrs from now I will do the same. It has become nothing more then a habit and something that I truly wish I would have never picked up the first time. Wish me luck, tolerances and faith in my direction. Any guidance for the site would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 31, 2015, 12:42:00 AM
Quote from: Wetfeet
Not sure where this goes but been looking around the site for a few days and finally signed up tonight.
Brandon "wetfeet" here 40 yrs old been dipping since I was 13. I did manage to trash the can about 12 years ago only to pick it back up 5 years later. A little more then 24 hrs from now I will do the same. It has become nothing more then a habit and something that I truly wish I would have never picked up the first time. Wish me luck, tolerances and faith in my direction. Any guidance for the site would be greatly appreciated.
Welcome! Why wait 24 hours more?

If you're like me, I was just about to quit too many times to count. Fortunately I finally hit my culminating point and just up and quit.

Why not put the can down right now? Enjoy New Year's Eve dip free. Don't wait to start 2016 right. Finish 2015 off right!

When you're nicotine free, head over to April 2016 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11465559/). Find a post with a list of names and numbers. This is roll. It's where we make a daily promise not to use nicotine today. It'll have instructions for how to post roll.

You're headed in the right direction. Just take the final step. And you don't need luck. Quit ain't about luck. It's about making a promise and keeping that promise.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: rmorrison292 on December 31, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
Hi guys,

My name is Ryan. I'm 23 Living in Central IL. Got introduced to Camel Snuss when I was 18 and eventually moved to copenhagen/skoal over the last 5 years. It's gotten so bad that it's hard to go 2-3 hours without the stuff, and I'm really starting to hate myself for it.

I tried quitting about this time last year. I knew it was going to be hard to quit, so I bought some Jake's Mint Chew to at least have something in my mouth to help with boredom that comes with not chewing. I lasted a week before I bought another can. Pretty disappointed in myself. That being said, has anyone tried triumph chew? I saw that it has different levels of nicotine in it. I know that I'm too big of a pussy to quit cold turkey so I ordered some cans of that to give it a try. I plan on quitting as soon as those cans come in, which should be monday or tuesday next week. I'll shoot you guys an update once I quit.

Look forward to talking to you guys, didn't even know this website existed until today.

Have a great new year! -Ryan
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: drstober on December 31, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: rmorrison292
Hi guys,

My name is Ryan. I'm 23 Living in Central IL. Got introduced to Camel Snuss when I was 18 and eventually moved to copenhagen/skoal over the last 5 years. It's gotten so bad that it's hard to go 2-3 hours without the stuff, and I'm really starting to hate myself for it.

I tried quitting about this time last year. I knew it was going to be hard to quit, so I bought some Jake's Mint Chew to at least have something in my mouth to help with boredom that comes with not chewing. I lasted a week before I bought another can. Pretty disappointed in myself. That being said, has anyone tried triumph chew? I saw that it has different levels of nicotine in it. I know that I'm too big of a pussy to quit cold turkey so I ordered some cans of that to give it a try. I plan on quitting as soon as those cans come in, which should be monday or tuesday next week. I'll shoot you guys an update once I quit.

Look forward to talking to you guys, didn't even know this website existed until today.

Have a great new year! -Ryan
Ryan, some folks around here may have tried Triumph before coming here. However, we're a cold turkey group. Patches, gum, special versions of cat turds to suck on only prolong the pain. The healing doesn't start until you stop using completely.

I tried cutting back many times before I quit. I tried patches too. Each time I'd go for a little while and slowly creep back up past where I was before. At one point I was dipping with patches, "just to help until the patch kicks in." Maybe you're special, and this won't happen to you.

I'd guess what you were missing before was a lot like what I was missing: brotherhood and accountability. Fortunately we have lots of people here that'll help you work through the suck days and you'll help others out too.

Man up. Just put the shit down and be done with it. It was the best decision I ever made.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Its_Got2Happen on December 31, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: drstober
Quote from: rmorrison292
Hi guys,

My name is Ryan. I'm 23 Living in Central IL. Got introduced to Camel Snuss when I was 18 and eventually moved to copenhagen/skoal over the last 5 years. It's gotten so bad that it's hard to go 2-3 hours without the stuff, and I'm really starting to hate myself for it.

I tried quitting about this time last year. I knew it was going to be hard to quit, so I bought some Jake's Mint Chew to at least have something in my mouth to help with boredom that comes with not chewing. I lasted a week before I bought another can. Pretty disappointed in myself. That being said, has anyone tried triumph chew? I saw that it has different levels of nicotine in it. I know that I'm too big of a pussy to quit cold turkey so I ordered some cans of that to give it a try. I plan on quitting as soon as those cans come in, which should be monday or tuesday next week. I'll shoot you guys an update once I quit.

Look forward to talking to you guys, didn't even know this website existed until today.

Have a great new year! -Ryan
Ryan, some folks around here may have tried Triumph before coming here. However, we're a cold turkey group. Patches, gum, special versions of cat turds to suck on only prolong the pain. The healing doesn't start until you stop using completely.

I tried cutting back many times before I quit. I tried patches too. Each time I'd go for a little while and slowly creep back up past where I was before. At one point I was dipping with patches, "just to help until the patch kicks in." Maybe you're special, and this won't happen to you.

I'd guess what you were missing before was a lot like what I was missing: brotherhood and accountability. Fortunately we have lots of people here that'll help you work through the suck days and you'll help others out too.

Man up. Just put the shit down and be done with it. It was the best decision I ever made.
Hey Ryan. Great decision. Glad you have joined us. Go post roll and keep your promise. There are many people here willing do lend a hand. We have been there and know exactly what you are going through. I pitched the can for good 3 years ago and have made some great friends along the way.
Title: Re: General Discussion - 2015
Post by: Frazzled on December 31, 2015, 11:58:00 PM
Good night 2015, we'll see you all in the 2016 thread.