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Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: chewie on September 17, 2018, 08:34:54 AM
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Questions, comments, concerns about your quit, this forum, etc.
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I again wanted to thank everyone on this site. I started dipping Copenhagen when I was 9 years old. Sad, but true. I tried the gum. Disgusting. Started the patch. Didn't work. But I became addicted to the step 2 patch because of the dreams. I found myself wearing the patch, and still going through a can plus each day. Two things happened. My middle son found an empty can under the seat in my car. He read the label, "causes cancer." I went to my doctor. He prescribed Chantix. My insurance wouldn't cover it. I went to pick it up at the pharmacy. $85. bucks. I make a good living. Own my house. And my paycheck goes to my wife. She gives me a gas and beer allowance. It's worked for 20 years. All excited to quit, that day, I didn't have $85 in my account. I found this website that day. Signed up. Had a sponsor from my hometown in Oklahoma, as I moved to Boston 25 years ago when I got out of the Corps. I quit that day. My wife tolerated the mood swings, outbursts, and anger. I quit cold turkey. Didn't use anything to assist but peppermint life savers, calls from my sponsor, and this website. My entire life has gotten better. I'm 50 this year. Besides the teeth punched out of my face when I was young, I have no gum disease, and all of my teeth, thankfully. I still wake up every once in a while and think I cheated, because I'll put a dip in, in my dream. But I've never gone back. It's now been 4 years clean. And at $7.00 plus a can. I've easily saved over $10,000. thanks to all the support you guys have provided. THANKS!
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Thanks for the post!! 4 years is huge...I too had my 1st dip in 3rd grade...it was skoal, just skoal back then..same cardboard can as cope. Which I alternated back and forth for 37 years. I’d switch Nicotine delivery systems until last year when I found this site...you all explained to me how to quit. You quit!! No patches, no gums, no vapes...no nicotine... I would read and listen to others here. It’s been 370 days quit!! I recently thought I could have a dip and start the clock over, then had a serious dip dream that reminded me that nicotine is powerful and is waiting for me to let my guard down...this brought me back here to KTC where I need the support and accountability to stay quit!!!
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Hello all,
Day 37 for me. I quit chew after 18 years back in May but I got addicted to alternative crap for a couple months, that’s why my actual quit date is Aug 12th.
I can honestly say 20-30 was easy but 31 to today has sucked bad! I don’t want to chew ever again I honestly don’t miss that. My issues have been the fog and mild depression. The last 6 days I guess I just feel off. Oh and heartburn made a comeback this week!! Uh I can’t wait till my danm Brain levels out! I read it takes 60-90 days before you are level again.
I know my issues are chew related because I feel the worst when I would of typically chewed. It’s like my mind is sad I’m not feeding it crap and wants to piss on my day!
Anyway I’ll get through this. Still not as bad as that first week..
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Hello all,
Day 37 for me. I quit chew after 18 years back in May but I got addicted to alternative crap for a couple months, that’s why my actual quit date is Aug 12th.
I can honestly say 20-30 was easy but 31 to today has sucked bad! I don’t want to chew ever again I honestly don’t miss that. My issues have been the fog and mild depression. The last 6 days I guess I just feel off. Oh and heartburn made a comeback this week!! Uh I can’t wait till my danm Brain levels out! I read it takes 60-90 days before you are level again.
I know my issues are chew related because I feel the worst when I would of typically chewed. It’s like my mind is sad I’m not feeding it crap and wants to piss on my day!
Anyway I’ll get through this. Still not as bad as that first week..
YES! You absolutely WILL get through this. Keep fighting and keep posting. You're not alone!
Chewie
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Hello all,
Day 37 for me. I quit chew after 18 years back in May but I got addicted to alternative crap for a couple months, that’s why my actual quit date is Aug 12th.
I can honestly say 20-30 was easy but 31 to today has sucked bad! I don’t want to chew ever again I honestly don’t miss that. My issues have been the fog and mild depression. The last 6 days I guess I just feel off. Oh and heartburn made a comeback this week!! Uh I can’t wait till my danm Brain levels out! I read it takes 60-90 days before you are level again.
I know my issues are chew related because I feel the worst when I would of typically chewed. It’s like my mind is sad I’m not feeding it crap and wants to piss on my day!
Anyway I’ll get through this. Still not as bad as that first week..
YES! You absolutely WILL get through this. Keep fighting and keep posting. You're not alone!
Chewie
Keep it up! Just remember, each day you don't dip is a battle won in the ongoing war. Each day you learn how to better overcome the fog. Each day brings you new tools to overcome the fog, keep doing what you're doing because its working and you are quit today. Remember that daily promise. I wish I could tell you it will go away after xxx days, but I can't, what I can do, is tell you, it does get better! Keep on keeping quit brother, reach out if you need anything!
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Hello all,
Day 37 for me. I quit chew after 18 years back in May but I got addicted to alternative crap for a couple months, that’s why my actual quit date is Aug 12th.
I can honestly say 20-30 was easy but 31 to today has sucked bad! I don’t want to chew ever again I honestly don’t miss that. My issues have been the fog and mild depression. The last 6 days I guess I just feel off. Oh and heartburn made a comeback this week!! Uh I can’t wait till my danm Brain levels out! I read it takes 60-90 days before you are level again.
I know my issues are chew related because I feel the worst when I would of typically chewed. It’s like my mind is sad I’m not feeding it crap and wants to piss on my day!
Anyway I’ll get through this. Still not as bad as that first week..
YES! You absolutely WILL get through this. Keep fighting and keep posting. You're not alone!
Chewie
Keep it up! Just remember, each day you don't dip is a battle won in the ongoing war. Each day you learn how to better overcome the fog. Each day brings you new tools to overcome the fog, keep doing what you're doing because its working and you are quit today. Remember that daily promise. I wish I could tell you it will go away after xxx days, but I can't, what I can do, is tell you, it does get better! Keep on keeping quit brother, reach out if you need anything!
This. Right here. This is gold. Take these words to heart. Evillen nails it here. This isn't a sprint but sometimes it feels like it. It's a marathon of epic proportions. That being said, even the longest race of your life starts with a single step. Take it one single day and one single victory at a time. Before you know it, you'll have a shit pile of days quit behind you. It might not feel like it now, but you're winning.
Keep it up.
Proud to be quit with you all today ~ Chewie
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Happy Monday quitters! Here's to the start of a new week of quit!
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Hi My Name is Todd and I am planning on quitting in the morning. I've quit successfully once for 3 years and then a couple of times since, which lasted only a few days to even possibly a few hours. This time is for real.... I will use this group to help me but, to be honest, navigating it so far has been difficult. I'm not even sure if I am posting this to the right area. If I am not, please be patient with me and tell me so I can be successful next time.
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Hi My Name is Todd and I am planning on quitting in the morning. I've quit successfully once for 3 years and then a couple of times since, which lasted only a few days to even possibly a few hours. This time is for real.... I will use this group to help me but, to be honest, navigating it so far has been difficult. I'm not even sure if I am posting this to the right area. If I am not, please be patient with me and tell me so I can be successful next time.
Hey Todd! Welcome!
Your quit group will be January '19 - you can find them here : http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=584.0
I'd urge you to not wait until tomorrow. I was going to wuittimorrow about a million times before I found KTC. Quit now, and quit for today - toss what you have, post roll and promise to not use nicotine for today. Then get up tomorrow morning and do it again.
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Hi My Name is Todd and I am planning on quitting in the morning. I've quit successfully once for 3 years and then a couple of times since, which lasted only a few days to even possibly a few hours. This time is for real.... I will use this group to help me but, to be honest, navigating it so far has been difficult. I'm not even sure if I am posting this to the right area. If I am not, please be patient with me and tell me so I can be successful next time.
Hey Todd! Welcome!
Your quit group will be January '19 - you can find them here : http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=584.0
I'd urge you to not wait until tomorrow. I was going to wuittimorrow about a million times before I found KTC. Quit now, and quit for today - toss what you have, post roll and promise to not use nicotine for today. Then get up tomorrow morning and do it again.
Welcome Todd! Samrs pointed you in the right direction... now it's up to you to make that DAILY decision to quit. Don't worry about 'forever'. Quit today and repeat tomorrow. Before yo know it, you'll have a pile of days quit behind you.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Chewie ~ 4,447 days in a row
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Happy Tuesday quitters!
“Quitting is not a spectator sport. Participation is required.” ~ NOLAQ
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Some pretty outstanding milestones today!
- JPAnthony - 3 years
- 78craft - 1,000 days
- Raynorris3 - 1,000 days
- Cantoo - 1,000 days
- harvestgirl - 2 years
- Snoopy - 1 year
For a full list, make sure to check out http://calendar.killthecan.org/
Congrats folks!
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HOF speeches? How far back can be recovered? Are the old ones gone forever? Just wondering. Thanks!
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HOF speeches? How far back can be recovered? Are the old ones gone forever? Just wondering. Thanks!
They are ALL available.
The old forum (on TapaTalk) is located at http://archive.killthecan.org/ - this will be maintained in read-only format - feel free to bring your speech (or intro) over.
Also, nearly all of them (I think) are also available on the main site: https://www.killthecan.org/category/hall-of-fame-speeches/
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Look at today's milestones!
- kratebike - 9 years
- seth - 3,000 days
- ReWire - 1,000 days
For a full list, make sure to check out http://calendar.killthecan.org/
Congrats folks!
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It's Saturday boy and girls - and it's a tremendous day to be a quitter!
There is quite literally no reason to NOT quit today. I don't care if you've got a big project you're working on, have to cut the grass, have to sit through a recital or three soccer games with your kids.
You can do ALL of those things dip free (I know... I've already done two soccer games and a basketball practice with my kids this morning).
You CAN be a quitter. What the hell are you waiting for?
Proud to be quit with you today!
Chewie
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Good Morning everyone!
This is my first post. Name is Mags, and I've been doing a tin of Cope every other day for the last past 30 years (I am 55). I finally drew a line in the sand, and on September 24 (Monday), I went cold Turkey. No more! So, here we are on Day 7, and I am doing pretty darn well. Except:
I have figured out if this is coincidental - if it is, it is an awefully mean joke on me - but since Monday I have noticed negative changes in my throat/jaw area. Symptoms that I did not have while chewing. A sore throat on one side of it that has been going on for 5 days or so. Jaw pain - sinus pain. Everything is on the right side of my face - even though I "held" my dip on the left side of my mouth.
Headed to the GP on Tuesday and we will see where it goes from there. Hopefully these symptoms are due to withdrawals in some way. But I am very scared - haven't slept much this week. Of course, this fear has made quitting so far very easy.
I just hope I wasn't too late. Obviously, I am going to stay quit - but jeesh, I guess I should be in a happier place right now, and I am scared for my life.
Sorry to be such a downer - hopefully someone has some (any) feedback on the symptoms I am having??
Thanks in Advance!
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Good Morning everyone!
This is my first post. Name is Mags, and I've been doing a tin of Cope every other day for the last past 30 years (I am 55). I finally drew a line in the sand, and on September 24 (Monday), I went cold Turkey. No more! So, here we are on Day 7, and I am doing pretty darn well. Except:
I have figured out if this is coincidental - if it is, it is an awefully mean joke on me - but since Monday I have noticed negative changes in my throat/jaw area. Symptoms that I did not have while chewing. A sore throat on one side of it that has been going on for 5 days or so. Jaw pain - sinus pain. Everything is on the right side of my face - even though I "held" my dip on the left side of my mouth.
Headed to the GP on Tuesday and we will see where it goes from there. Hopefully these symptoms are due to withdrawals in some way. But I am very scared - haven't slept much this week. Of course, this fear has made quitting so far very easy.
I just hope I wasn't too late. Obviously, I am going to stay quit - but jeesh, I guess I should be in a happier place right now, and I am scared for my life.
Sorry to be such a downer - hopefully someone has some (any) feedback on the symptoms I am having??
Thanks in Advance!
Welcome Magnum! Believe it or not, you're right on track.
https://www.killthecan.org/does-it-ever-get-easier/
My jaw / throat went CRAZY the first few days of my quit and I thought for sure I was a goner. I wasn't.
Here's my first post (from August 2006)
Greetings –
I’m on day 15 of my quit and I’m certain that I will never go back. I’ve posted a couple of times in the general boards, but thought it was finally time to get on board with my “class”. I do have a couple of specific questions if you could help me out.
I have acid reflux which I’m currently treating with Nexium on a daily basis. It seems since I’ve quit dipping that my acid reflux has gotten worse. Does anyone have any experiece with this?
I’ve also been “dizzy” off an on since my quit. Dizzy is too strong of a word – it almost feels like I’ve had a couple of drinks… just not quite right.
Additionally, I’ve had sinus issues (which I think are due to the quit, but thought I’d ask).
I do have an extreme amount of stress in my life right now between the quit, a 9 week old son and a 12 week old job.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
iuchewie
Bottom line... you're healing. Keep quitting. This shit is, believe it or not, normal.
Check these out as well... they'll provide you some insight into what you're going through.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/
Find your group and keep posting - proud to be quit with you!
Chewie ~ day 4,452
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Hi All,
Today is day 50, I’m not much a group guy but I think I’m going to get more involved in that starting today.
Day 49 guys was the hardest day of my quit, I’m sad to say I ended up in the ER with a massive panic attack. I was pretty mad at myself for not being able to control myself.
I guess the Depression has showed up in my quit. I think I get get moody/sad.
I feel like after 50 days I should be over this crap!!!!!!
So here are my issues and I would really love to hear I’m not alone in feeling this way this far into my quit.
Sour stomach
Mild depression
Anxiety
The good news is I have ZERO desire to want to chew! I won’t be doing this shit show again.
Thanks for the read guys
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Hi All,
Today is day 50, I’m not much a group guy but I think I’m going to get more involved in that starting today.
Day 49 guys was the hardest day of my quit, I’m sad to say I ended up in the ER with a massive panic attack. I was pretty mad at myself for not being able to control myself.
I guess the Depression has showed up in my quit. I think I get get moody/sad.
I feel like after 50 days I should be over this crap!!!!!!
So here are my issues and I would really love to hear I’m not alone in feeling this way this far into my quit.
Sour stomach
Mild depression
Anxiety
The good news is I have ZERO desire to want to chew! I won’t be doing this shit show again.
Thanks for the read guys
I'm on day 81, so I am not an expert, but...I have had massive anxiety and depression since my quit day. Nicotine had an unbelievably strong hold on my brain. It was especially bad in the 45 to 55 day range, just like yours. I have always struggled with anxiety and depression, self-medicating led me to addiction to begin with. But quitting caused a whole new level. THE GOOD NEWS IS: It is getting better, and asking my doctor to up my anti-depressant worked wonders.
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Welcome Magnum! Believe it or not, you're right on track.
https://www.killthecan.org/does-it-ever-get-easier/
My jaw / throat went CRAZY the first few days of my quit and I thought for sure I was a goner. I wasn't.
Here's my first post (from August 2006)
Greetings –
I’m on day 15 of my quit and I’m certain that I will never go back. I’ve posted a couple of times in the general boards, but thought it was finally time to get on board with my “class”. I do have a couple of specific questions if you could help me out.
I have acid reflux which I’m currently treating with Nexium on a daily basis. It seems since I’ve quit dipping that my acid reflux has gotten worse. Does anyone have any experiece with this?
I’ve also been “dizzy” off an on since my quit. Dizzy is too strong of a word – it almost feels like I’ve had a couple of drinks… just not quite right.
Additionally, I’ve had sinus issues (which I think are due to the quit, but thought I’d ask).
I do have an extreme amount of stress in my life right now between the quit, a 9 week old son and a 12 week old job.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
iuchewie
Bottom line... you're healing. Keep quitting. This shit is, believe it or not, normal.
Check these out as well... they'll provide you some insight into what you're going through.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/
Find your group and keep posting - proud to be quit with you!
Chewie ~ day 4,452
Thanks for the support Chewie. I am now on day 8 of the quit. No real problems so far - actually still pretty easy. Biggest issue is sore throat and sore glands in the upper neck. Not as bad as it was, but still noticeable. Just seems to be hanging on longer than it should.
It would just be so damn unfair to get these bad symptoms and have them amount to something bad AFTER I had just gotten the courage to quit -and had quit a few days already!
Still not giving in to Copenhagen - and I have absolutely zero want to do so - but just want my neck/jaw muscle/throat to start feeling normal again. Given that it has been 8 days, I can't believe these issues I'm having are associated with the quit....
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Welcome Magnum! Believe it or not, you're right on track.
https://www.killthecan.org/does-it-ever-get-easier/
My jaw / throat went CRAZY the first few days of my quit and I thought for sure I was a goner. I wasn't.
Here's my first post (from August 2006)
Greetings –
I’m on day 15 of my quit and I’m certain that I will never go back. I’ve posted a couple of times in the general boards, but thought it was finally time to get on board with my “class”. I do have a couple of specific questions if you could help me out.
I have acid reflux which I’m currently treating with Nexium on a daily basis. It seems since I’ve quit dipping that my acid reflux has gotten worse. Does anyone have any experiece with this?
I’ve also been “dizzy” off an on since my quit. Dizzy is too strong of a word – it almost feels like I’ve had a couple of drinks… just not quite right.
Additionally, I’ve had sinus issues (which I think are due to the quit, but thought I’d ask).
I do have an extreme amount of stress in my life right now between the quit, a 9 week old son and a 12 week old job.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
iuchewie
Bottom line... you're healing. Keep quitting. This shit is, believe it or not, normal.
Check these out as well... they'll provide you some insight into what you're going through.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/
Find your group and keep posting - proud to be quit with you!
Chewie ~ day 4,452
Thanks for the support Chewie. I am now on day 8 of the quit. No real problems so far - actually still pretty easy. Biggest issue is sore throat and sore glands in the upper neck. Not as bad as it was, but still noticeable. Just seems to be hanging on longer than it should.
It would just be so damn unfair to get these bad symptoms and have them amount to something bad AFTER I had just gotten the courage to quit -and had quit a few days already!
Still not giving in to Copenhagen - and I have absolutely zero want to do so - but just want my neck/jaw muscle/throat to start feeling normal again. Given that it has been 8 days, I can't believe these issues I'm having are associated with the quit....
Good rule of thumb... just about ANYTHING that is happening to you in the first month or so of your quit, you can attribute to your quit.
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Welcome Magnum! Believe it or not, you're right on track.
https://www.killthecan.org/does-it-ever-get-easier/
My jaw / throat went CRAZY the first few days of my quit and I thought for sure I was a goner. I wasn't.
Here's my first post (from August 2006)
Greetings –
I’m on day 15 of my quit and I’m certain that I will never go back. I’ve posted a couple of times in the general boards, but thought it was finally time to get on board with my “class”. I do have a couple of specific questions if you could help me out.
I have acid reflux which I’m currently treating with Nexium on a daily basis. It seems since I’ve quit dipping that my acid reflux has gotten worse. Does anyone have any experiece with this?
I’ve also been “dizzy” off an on since my quit. Dizzy is too strong of a word – it almost feels like I’ve had a couple of drinks… just not quite right.
Additionally, I’ve had sinus issues (which I think are due to the quit, but thought I’d ask).
I do have an extreme amount of stress in my life right now between the quit, a 9 week old son and a 12 week old job.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
iuchewie
Bottom line... you're healing. Keep quitting. This shit is, believe it or not, normal.
Check these out as well... they'll provide you some insight into what you're going through.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/
Find your group and keep posting - proud to be quit with you!
Chewie ~ day 4,452
Thanks for the support Chewie. I am now on day 8 of the quit. No real problems so far - actually still pretty easy. Biggest issue is sore throat and sore glands in the upper neck. Not as bad as it was, but still noticeable. Just seems to be hanging on longer than it should.
It would just be so damn unfair to get these bad symptoms and have them amount to something bad AFTER I had just gotten the courage to quit -and had quit a few days already!
Still not giving in to Copenhagen - and I have absolutely zero want to do so - but just want my neck/jaw muscle/throat to start feeling normal again. Given that it has been 8 days, I can't believe these issues I'm having are associated with the quit....
Good rule of thumb... just about ANYTHING that is happening to you in the first month or so of your quit, you can attribute to your quit.
Chewie:
Thanks again for the support, it means so much. Just got back from the doctor - I saw my normal family doctor. Spent a lot of time discussing all the symptoms I'm having. He knows about my lengthy chewing history. He was so happy to hear that I quit. I did mention this website to him - told him how I have found it very helpful - and that he should recommend it to any others he knows that are thinking of quitting....
So, a couple of things of feedback (one personal, the other general):
His opinion is that I have a virus AND with the effects of quitting tobacco - this is what is giving me the issues. That is his opinion - he said let's wait a couple of weeks and see how things are then. He didn't seem overly concerned (he did do a simple examination). But he knows me - I don't want to wait 2 weeks if I do have an issue - so he put in orders for a CAT scan and a visit to the ENT doc - which will occur over the next 7 days. So, while I still feel like crap, mentally I feel a lot better than before I saw him - as I realize that he very well may be correct in his diagnosis!
The other thing I wanted to point out - on the list of withdrawal systems that people will have. Well, I was (in my own mind) questioning some of them - like, is this just an excuse. But my doc strongly said that there IS medical evidence on the headaches, jaw pain, sore throat, etc. So to those of who are taking this same journey with me during this time period (and I love you for it sisters and brothers) - if you do have some of these withdrawal systems - don't worry as much (like I have been)!
Thanks for the support! I love this board!
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Sea...you are absolutely not alone. The 50s were some of my hardest days and, yes, anxiety played a big, big part of it. I clearly remember being scared that this was my "new normal" because, like you, I thought by my 50s I should be over all of this crap. I was afraid I would feel like this forever. I didn't. Give it some time and just know that this is perfectly normal. Your body is still healing. Have patience, be good to yourself, and if it gets too bad, please don't hesitate to talk to your doctor. S/he may be able to prescribe some meds that can help you through the tough patches.
Hi All,
Today is day 50, I’m not much a group guy but I think I’m going to get more involved in that starting today.
Day 49 guys was the hardest day of my quit, I’m sad to say I ended up in the ER with a massive panic attack. I was pretty mad at myself for not being able to control myself.
I guess the Depression has showed up in my quit. I think I get get moody/sad.
I feel like after 50 days I should be over this crap!!!!!!
So here are my issues and I would really love to hear I’m not alone in feeling this way this far into my quit.
Sour stomach
Mild depression
Anxiety
The good news is I have ZERO desire to want to chew! I won’t be doing this shit show again.
Thanks for the read guys
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Sea, time to dig your heels in. What’s going on with you at 50 happened to me around 70. Yes it sucks but it will get better, I promise. I’m now at 1,689 and loving the new normal. Stay involved in your group and in chat. It helped me tremendously.
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Almost to day 60 and I have balanced out a bit. It was rough to feel that way, my doctor wanted to put me on some anti depressants. I have never been depressed so I knew it was the dip making a last ditch effort to suck me back in!
I still have some brief moments of feelings low but I’m starting to feel normal again. Reading that I was not alone helped a ton. When I make it to 100 I’m going to share everything I went through as to hopefully help the next person in my position to not feel alone or different.
I honestly don’t fear going back to chew, I quit for myself and I will not fail. I do fear not feeling completely normal for what that is worth. However it’s possible I don’t know what normal really is and how much better I might be.
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I honestly don’t fear going back to chew, I quit for myself and I will not fail. I do fear not feeling completely normal for what that is worth. However it’s possible I don’t know what normal really is and how much better I might be.
1021 days and I had a fucking cave dream so bad this morning I jumped out of bed with cold sweats with tears in my eyes. 1021 days and the fucking nic bitch is still hard at work. Just when you think you got it's ass whipped, the ol' bitch will lure you back in. And the worst part was I vividly remember saying to myself, FUCK !!!!!! Now I gotta go answer 3 questions and get burned at the stake at KTC. That was the worst part. I let down my KTC quit brothers and sisters. It was only a dream but still it really sucked major ass.
16 years almost 17 years smoke free. I had a dream not a week ago I bummed a cigarette off of a buddy at a party and said ahh fuck it and started smoking again. Once again, KTC came into the dream as well.
Good old self will got us right to where we are today, addicted! There is an old term out there anybody who is a friend of Bill will understand when I say, "Self will run riot".
Grab a hold of your quit and embrace it good. Embrace your brothers and sisters of quit even more! Each of us needs each other worse than what we think we do. Just when you think the bitch is gone...... The story always goes well I was at a party having a few drink when suddenly .......
1021 days and still proud as fuck to be quit with each and every one of you every damn day!
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I'm into my quit with 69 days. I happened to quit drinking not long after. Some days I don't if I'm craving booze or chew. My afternoons have been close to experiencing a mental fog. I say have been as they've been getting better.
I was late posting today (November) as the fog started earlier than usual. Now my commitment is to post first thing, i.e., first priority, well maybe second after hitting the john. I look forward to feeling normal. As somebody wrote earlier - I'm not sure what that is right now, but sure am looking forward to it!
Right now I hang onto the thought that at this stage of the game -- "It's way easier to stay quit than to quit again."
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I'm into my quit with 69 days. I happened to quit drinking not long after. Some days I don't if I'm craving booze or chew. My afternoons have been close to experiencing a mental fog. I say have been as they've been getting better.
I was late posting today (November) as the fog started earlier than usual. Now my commitment is to post first thing, i.e., first priority, well maybe second after hitting the john. I look forward to feeling normal. As somebody wrote earlier - I'm not sure what that is right now, but sure am looking forward to it!
Right now I hang onto the thought that at this stage of the game -- "It's way easier to stay quit than to quit again."
You've got the right mindset... keep it up man!
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I honestly don’t fear going back to chew, I quit for myself and I will not fail. I do fear not feeling completely normal for what that is worth. However it’s possible I don’t know what normal really is and how much better I might be.
1021 days and I had a fucking cave dream so bad this morning I jumped out of bed with cold sweats with tears in my eyes. 1021 days and the fucking nic bitch is still hard at work. Just when you think you got it's ass whipped, the ol' bitch will lure you back in. And the worst part was I vividly remember saying to myself, FUCK !!!!!! Now I gotta go answer 3 questions and get burned at the stake at KTC. That was the worst part. I let down my KTC quit brothers and sisters. It was only a dream but still it really sucked major ass.
16 years almost 17 years smoke free. I had a dream not a week ago I bummed a cigarette off of a buddy at a party and said ahh fuck it and started smoking again. Once again, KTC came into the dream as well.
Good old self will got us right to where we are today, addicted! There is an old term out there anybody who is a friend of Bill will understand when I say, "Self will run riot".
Grab a hold of your quit and embrace it good. Embrace your brothers and sisters of quit even more! Each of us needs each other worse than what we think we do. Just when you think the bitch is gone...... The story always goes well I was at a party having a few drink when suddenly .......
1021 days and still proud as fuck to be quit with each and every one of you every damn day!
Good God... cave dreams are the fucking worst. The ONLY good thing about them is that when you wake up clean you've got a renewed sense of purpose.
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I'm just going to leave this here. Enjoy Friday folks.
E-cig co. put Viagra, Cialis in vape liquids - the FDA is throbbing mad
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/fda-issues-stiff-warning-to-e-cig-seller-who-put-viagra-in-vape-liquid/
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This is a real relieve to read...
Ive chewed for about 4 years... max was maybe half a can a day... a bunch of times..
Ive slowed way down this summer... like maybe 7 or 8 tins since June.. but they have been consumed quickly... take 3 or 4 weeks off then crush a can in 2 1/2 days...
Feeling better about slowing down... but time to quit... I went guiding fishing... was in the bush for 3 weeks, I poured my last half can out before I got on the boat...
Got back... damn it, stopped at gas station.. bought a can... got thru half of it by the next morning... will took over and I flushed the rest...
It's been about 8 days.. this time it's for good... for the last 4 days there's been a soreness in my left jaw, no lumps... no sores in my mouth... difficulty swallowing is maybe a 2/10...
... but I am terrified. Google doesn't help... bit of a cyberchondriac. I found this website and it's been calming.. I can appreciate what you've said about fearing bad things after you've decided to quit...
Will continue to read more.. but need to get this off my chest...
Already very anxious in general... prone to worry... interviewed for a job.. well dang it if the guy sitting across the table from me... has a section of his jaw missing... mental health has had a rough week..
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..... did not know much about the mental fog portion of quitting... but as i have slowed down this summer... i do recall thinking to myself about lapses in mental ability... makes a bit more sense, and adds some context to quitting story now...
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..... did not know much about the mental fog portion of quitting... but as i have slowed down this summer... i do recall thinking to myself about lapses in mental ability... makes a bit more sense, and adds some context to quitting story now...
good lord yes... the fog is SO real it's not even funny. the ONLY good thing about it is that it passes.
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This is a real relieve to read...
Ive chewed for about 4 years... max was maybe half a can a day... a bunch of times..
Ive slowed way down this summer... like maybe 7 or 8 tins since June.. but they have been consumed quickly... take 3 or 4 weeks off then crush a can in 2 1/2 days...
Feeling better about slowing down... but time to quit... I went guiding fishing... was in the bush for 3 weeks, I poured my last half can out before I got on the boat...
Got back... damn it, stopped at gas station.. bought a can... got thru half of it by the next morning... will took over and I flushed the rest...
It's been about 8 days.. this time it's for good... for the last 4 days there's been a soreness in my left jaw, no lumps... no sores in my mouth... difficulty swallowing is maybe a 2/10...
... but I am terrified. Google doesn't help... bit of a cyberchondriac. I found this website and it's been calming.. I can appreciate what you've said about fearing bad things after you've decided to quit...
Will continue to read more.. but need to get this off my chest...
Already very anxious in general... prone to worry... interviewed for a job.. well dang it if the guy sitting across the table from me... has a section of his jaw missing... mental health has had a rough week..
I feel you, bro. Had a place on my gum that was crazy sore and ached for 2 weeks. Finally told my wife about it (30 yr RN/BSN) and she scared the $&/! out of me! Google didn’t help! This was all last Wednesday night - went to Dentist yesterday and all appears good. Either way, I’ve learned enough and worried enough to know I’m done. 18 years of a can a day makes it the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m committed. Hang in there!
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So I’m on Day 5 of this journey and, suffice it to say I’m not a very nice person right now. Was so tired last night I thought I might just get some sleep...no luck. Sitting on the couch watching ESPN about 0200 and got pissed off at the couch! I literally said out loud, “I hate this damn couch! I’ve always hated this damn couch! Can’t believe we bought this damn thing!” Why was I pissed at the couch? I guess it was just the closest thing to me at the time. I think it’s time to embrace the suck and get over myself.
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21 years can a day. Day 3 cold turkey...
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"You're playing a game of chicken with a dead plant in a plastic can. If you cave you lost to a dead plant." -- Candoit
Thank you for this!
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21 years can a day. Day 3 cold turkey...
Congrats on Day 3. If you need anything send me a PM. Best decision to quit! ODAAT
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"You're playing a game of chicken with a dead plant in a plastic can. If you cave you lost to a dead plant." -- Candoit
Thank you for this!
This. Is. Brilliant.
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Day 3. Super depressed and fatigued. I’ve been dipping a can a day for around 11-12 years. I’m pretty sure that’s around $30,000 plus dollars a year spent on dip. I could have bought something I need like a new car or put a down payment on a house. I want these mood swings to leave so I can get back to my old self. I know it will take time but today when my mind said (literally), “A dip will fix that,” I was able to process a rebuttal that it only puts me back into the same place I’ve been before and doesn’t fix anything. Progress of the day was that revelation as I fought temptation. Happy to have this site here.
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Risen,
First off you are not alone! My first week was beyond awful. I cried for the first time in front of my wife. I had nights of pure terror and despair. Nic withdraw is brutal.
Secondly, it will get better. I promise you it will. I’m 67 days in myself and it’s night and day from my first week. You are quitting one of the hardest drugs to quit however you can quit.
Finally a thing that helped me was cold showers. When I got to low I would literally throw myself into an ice cold shower. There is science showing cold therapy releases endorphins in the brain which promote happiness!
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Risen,
First off you are not alone! My first week was beyond awful. I cried for the first time in front of my wife. I had nights of pure terror and despair. Nic withdraw is brutal.
Secondly, it will get better. I promise you it will. I’m 67 days in myself and it’s night and day from my first week. You are quitting one of the hardest drugs to quit however you can quit.
Finally a thing that helped me was cold showers. When I got to low I would literally throw myself into an ice cold shower. There is science showing cold therapy releases endorphins in the brain which promote happiness!
I will try it out for sure. I’ve quit for 3 months before so it’s possible. Just seems like the nicotine in these cans get stronger and more gripping than when we started chewing years ago lol.
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12 days... jaw pain still lingers... but getting better slowly... Interesting that mind are body are so divided on this one... in my mind I have no interest in chewing, none whatsoever... I am in around old triggers everyday.. driving.. fishing, working in garage... but there is no desire to chew.... but the jaw and throat soreness is saying otherwise... weird that the mind doesn't want it but the body still shows symptoms...
Its building a great mental base for staying clean forever, once these physical symptoms go away.. and I can be more confident that I am actually in the clear... I feel like i will born again, with a new lease on life...
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12 days... jaw pain still lingers... but getting better slowly... Interesting that mind are body are so divided on this one... in my mind I have no interest in chewing, none whatsoever... I am in around old triggers everyday.. driving.. fishing, working in garage... but there is no desire to chew.... but the jaw and throat soreness is saying otherwise... weird that the mind doesn't want it but the body still shows symptoms...
Its building a great mental base for staying clean forever, once these physical symptoms go away.. and I can be more confident that I am actually in the clear... I feel like i will born again, with a new lease on life...
Another thing I've done that i find helps.. i have an appointment reminder set in my phone, 8am, every 3 days, that says "you saved 30 bucks" ....
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12 days... jaw pain still lingers... but getting better slowly... Interesting that mind are body are so divided on this one... in my mind I have no interest in chewing, none whatsoever... I am in around old triggers everyday.. driving.. fishing, working in garage... but there is no desire to chew.... but the jaw and throat soreness is saying otherwise... weird that the mind doesn't want it but the body still shows symptoms...
Its building a great mental base for staying clean forever, once these physical symptoms go away.. and I can be more confident that I am actually in the clear... I feel like i will born again, with a new lease on life...
Another thing I've done that i find helps.. i have an appointment reminder set in my phone, 8am, every 3 days, that says "you saved 30 bucks" ....
Can't sleep... but not bc of cravings... more about overthinking symptoms, never were this (noticeable?) In past quits...
Could my mind actually be mind-f#(¥!ng my body into over reacting because it kniws this ones for good?
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12 days... jaw pain still lingers... but getting better slowly... Interesting that mind are body are so divided on this one... in my mind I have no interest in chewing, none whatsoever... I am in around old triggers everyday.. driving.. fishing, working in garage... but there is no desire to chew.... but the jaw and throat soreness is saying otherwise... weird that the mind doesn't want it but the body still shows symptoms...
Its building a great mental base for staying clean forever, once these physical symptoms go away.. and I can be more confident that I am actually in the clear... I feel like i will born again, with a new lease on life...
Another thing I've done that i find helps.. i have an appointment reminder set in my phone, 8am, every 3 days, that says "you saved 30 bucks" ....
Can't sleep... but not bc of cravings... more about overthinking symptoms, never were this (noticeable?) In past quits...
Could my mind actually be mind-f#(¥!ng my body into over reacting because it kniws this ones for good?
I'm probably the biggest hypochondriac you'll ever meet.
Can you mind me mindfucking your body into symptoms? ABSOLUTELY. It has happened to me MANY times over the years.
Stay the course. I will offer this. Going to see your doctor / dentist and having a good frank conversation about your usage and now your quit will do you a WORLD of a good from a peace of mind standpoint.
Chewie
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Can't sleep... but not bc of cravings... more about overthinking symptoms, never were this (noticeable?) In past quits
I think when we make that choice of quitting for the last time our mind knows this. The symptoms become more severe because this is for real.
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PM me your digits or give me a call if you want to talk. Here for you brother.
Can't sleep... but not bc of cravings... more about overthinking symptoms, never were this (noticeable?) In past quits
I think when we make that choice of quitting for the last time our mind knows this. The symptoms become more severe because this is for real.
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If you are here and you are quit, you are a badass! IQWYT!
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25 days in and thinking of getting a tattoo. I have 2 pieces in mind. Has anyone gotten a tattoo that they would suggest?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BllX1S_AvCh/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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25 days in and thinking of getting a tattoo. I have 2 pieces in mind. Has anyone gotten a tattoo that they would suggest?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BllX1S_AvCh/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
I thought about getting the KTC logo and then below start putting all of my milestone dates, i.e. HOF, 2nd Floor, 3rd Floor, 1 year, etc.
The only bad thing would be if I fucking caved, I'd have to have all those dates changed (NOT GONNA HAPPEN TODAY, because I made my promise).
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Had a dip dream last night. Quit 6+ years and it still snuck in out of nowhere.
Mike
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PM me your digits or give me a call if you want to talk. Here for you brother.
Can't sleep... but not bc of cravings... more about overthinking symptoms, never were this (noticeable?) In past quits
I think when we make that choice of quitting for the last time our mind knows this. The symptoms become more severe because this is for real.
I totally believe this. When I stopped for a month, it was easy. I look back and think, "Why can't my real quit be that easy???" I think the brain knows when it's for good or not.
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Good Afternoon,
I caved. I'm sorry to announce this to my November HOF group. I'm dealing with 2 addictions (the other is alcohol). I need to focus on just one. Quitting 2 was too much to handle. I've been alcohol free for almost as long as i had been without chew - 80+ days - which is no small task given how much i used to consume. For those who ask, did I reach out? No. I did reach out with regard to alcohol. I do know that community is where it's at with staying off any addictive drug. I just need to be clear of one before I get back going on the other. I got a sobriety group here that suits me.
For those of you hitting your 90 -- keep going!
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Good Afternoon,
I caved. I'm sorry to announce this to my November HOF group. I'm dealing with 2 addictions (the other is alcohol). I need to focus on just one. Quitting 2 was too much to handle. I've been alcohol free for almost as long as i had been without chew - 80+ days - which is no small task given how much i used to consume. For those who ask, did I reach out? No. I did reach out with regard to alcohol. I do know that community is where it's at with staying off any addictive drug. I just need to be clear of one before I get back going on the other. I got a sobriety group here that suits me.
For those of you hitting your 90 -- keep going!
....my chew quit makes me want to quit alcohol, feeds off it...
Anyone else out there feel that too?
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Good Afternoon,
I caved. I'm sorry to announce this to my November HOF group. I'm dealing with 2 addictions (the other is alcohol). I need to focus on just one. Quitting 2 was too much to handle. I've been alcohol free for almost as long as i had been without chew - 80+ days - which is no small task given how much i used to consume. For those who ask, did I reach out? No. I did reach out with regard to alcohol. I do know that community is where it's at with staying off any addictive drug. I just need to be clear of one before I get back going on the other. I got a sobriety group here that suits me.
For those of you hitting your 90 -- keep going!
....my chew quit makes me want to quit alcohol, feeds off it...
Anyone else out there feel that too?
I drink substantially less than I did before I quit dipping. It wasn't a conscious decision, it just kind of happened.
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Good Afternoon,
I caved. I'm sorry to announce this to my November HOF group. I'm dealing with 2 addictions (the other is alcohol). I need to focus on just one. Quitting 2 was too much to handle. I've been alcohol free for almost as long as i had been without chew - 80+ days - which is no small task given how much i used to consume. For those who ask, did I reach out? No. I did reach out with regard to alcohol. I do know that community is where it's at with staying off any addictive drug. I just need to be clear of one before I get back going on the other. I got a sobriety group here that suits me.
For those of you hitting your 90 -- keep going!
....my chew quit makes me want to quit alcohol, feeds off it...
Anyone else out there feel that too?
I drink substantially less than I did before I quit dipping. It wasn't a conscious decision, it just kind of happened.
I drink way less, both frequency and amount. Drinking was always a huge trigger for me to chew...as I'm sure it is for most. I didn't touch alcohol for the first 30 days of my quit. And heading near 70 days, I've maybe drank 2 times and it's been one beer each time. I like having a couple coldies with the boys, and plan on continuing to do so, but I will not mess up this quit because I want to drink. I will make damn sure I can handle it if/when I do drink more.
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Friday's are my "trigger" days since my school where I teach gets out at noon. That means I have about three hours every afternoon to myself (before the wife gets home). Today is my first Friday that I've quit. Fortunately, I do have a dental cleaning today so that should keep me busy. I'm looking for suggestions on how you guys have successfully handled these "trigger" times. Any help is much appreciated for this new quitter.
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Friday's are my "trigger" days since my school where I teach gets out at noon. That means I have about three hours every afternoon to myself (before the wife gets home). Today is my first Friday that I've quit. Fortunately, I do have a dental cleaning today so that should keep me busy. I'm looking for suggestions on how you guys have successfully handled these "trigger" times. Any help is much appreciated for this new quitter.
Smiller - I'm right there with you fighting the triggers on Day 5. The key for me has been doing everything I can to remove myself from my traditional triggers...driving in the car this morning I made sure I had a nice cup off coffee to take the place of my regular chew. Last night after dinner, I felt like throwing one in and took the dog for a run instead....The key for me will be doing everything I can to change things up.
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You guys are spot on. I try changing up habits and using gum before the normal dip action would occur. DO something physical like pushups or a walk instead of the dip. Before long you have a new normal. I also try hard not to think about what I am giving up - dip, but what am I getting- gums feel better, breath, etc. for me it is important to identify the positives I am gaining.
Friday's are my "trigger" days since my school where I teach gets out at noon. That means I have about three hours every afternoon to myself (before the wife gets home). Today is my first Friday that I've quit. Fortunately, I do have a dental cleaning today so that should keep me busy. I'm looking for suggestions on how you guys have successfully handled these "trigger" times. Any help is much appreciated for this new quitter.
Smiller - I'm right there with you fighting the triggers on Day 5. The key for me has been doing everything I can to remove myself from my traditional triggers...driving in the car this morning I made sure I had a nice cup off coffee to take the place of my regular chew. Last night after dinner, I felt like throwing one in and took the dog for a run instead....The key for me will be doing everything I can to change things up.
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You guys are spot on. I try changing up habits and using gum before the normal dip action would occur. DO something physical like pushups or a walk instead of the dip. Before long you have a new normal. I also try hard not to think about what I am giving up - dip, but what am I getting- gums feel better, breath, etc. for me it is important to identify the positives I am gaining.
Friday's are my "trigger" days since my school where I teach gets out at noon. That means I have about three hours every afternoon to myself (before the wife gets home). Today is my first Friday that I've quit. Fortunately, I do have a dental cleaning today so that should keep me busy. I'm looking for suggestions on how you guys have successfully handled these "trigger" times. Any help is much appreciated for this new quitter.
Smiller - I'm right there with you fighting the triggers on Day 5. The key for me has been doing everything I can to remove myself from my traditional triggers...driving in the car this morning I made sure I had a nice cup off coffee to take the place of my regular chew. Last night after dinner, I felt like throwing one in and took the dog for a run instead....The key for me will be doing everything I can to change things up.
You could pick up a new hobby. That's 3 hours a week just about guaranteed every week. Take up ju jitsu, learn to dunk, take up gardening, start writing a book, get into art- what ever gets you excited. I've been trying to take advantage of newly gained time with positive replacements. It's one thing to use gum, seeds, jerky, etc. but if you get yourself active you won't even be thinking about it as much an you'll be happier about whatever you've started
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Hey guys-
My name is Aaron and I am new to the forums. Just wanted to get some of my feelings out there.
To start, tonight at 11pm will mark 1 week since I had my last dip. This is by far the longest I have gone without one in 7 or 8 years. I am only 25 years old, but been doing a can a day or more since I was 18. I think the most difficult thing for me is that I play a lot of xbox with my buddies, and they all chew when we're playing (and so did I until a week ago).
My body has been trying so hard to tell me things like "You've made it almost a week, you can easily stop, so having one dip tonight isnt gonna hurt". But I am REFUSING to give in. I am done letting this poison control me and this is my first attempt at stopping where I actually want to quit. This has made it easier, but my habits like xbox certainly haven't. I have been exercising more the last week and trying to eat healthier, and it all helps to some extent.
Another big problem I am having is that I am prescribed adderall, and when I take it to do schoolwork it gives me TERRIBLE anxiety sometimes. Dipping always helped with this, but I have resorted to chewing sunflower seeds.
I realize I am just rambling, but I find comfort and strength in knowing that other people out there are going through the same struggles as me. Remember, it is far too late to ever prevent yourself from starting to dip, but the absolutely best time to never dip again is RIGHT NOW. I never want to have to tell my children that I am gonna die because I let dip control my life. I took control back a week ago tonight and its mine from here on out.
Thank you all for providing me such a great, supportive community.
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Hey guys-
My name is Aaron and I am new to the forums. Just wanted to get some of my feelings out there.
To start, tonight at 11pm will mark 1 week since I had my last dip. This is by far the longest I have gone without one in 7 or 8 years. I am only 25 years old, but been doing a can a day or more since I was 18. I think the most difficult thing for me is that I play a lot of xbox with my buddies, and they all chew when we're playing (and so did I until a week ago).
My body has been trying so hard to tell me things like "You've made it almost a week, you can easily stop, so having one dip tonight isnt gonna hurt". But I am REFUSING to give in. I am done letting this poison control me and this is my first attempt at stopping where I actually want to quit. This has made it easier, but my habits like xbox certainly haven't. I have been exercising more the last week and trying to eat healthier, and it all helps to some extent.
Another big problem I am having is that I am prescribed adderall, and when I take it to do schoolwork it gives me TERRIBLE anxiety sometimes. Dipping always helped with this, but I have resorted to chewing sunflower seeds.
I realize I am just rambling, but I find comfort and strength in knowing that other people out there are going through the same struggles as me. Remember, it is far too late to ever prevent yourself from starting to dip, but the absolutely best time to never dip again is RIGHT NOW. I never want to have to tell my children that I am gonna die because I let dip control my life. I took control back a week ago tonight and its mine from here on out.
Thank you all for providing me such a great, supportive community.
Hey Aaron,
Nice job posting roll. You almost got it in the right spot. But, hey, as long as you are on there, that's what's important. I sent you a PM with my digits.
Quitting for a week on your own is bad ass. Now you have the brotherhood and accountability behind you so that will make it all that much more strong.
Just a thought, you should move your post here over into the Intros section.
Proud to quit with you bro.
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Just wanted to give a shout out to all the guys who have been texting me and calling me over the past 12 days. Quitting this time feels different because of this site and my determination to stop dipping after 34 years. I don't who created this site but I believe it is saving my life and countless others. The stories and the posts on this site (the good and the bad) give me strength and determination to maintain my quit everyday. I'm still very early in the process but I know I will maintain my quit this time. I start off everyday reading the "Contract" and I promise I am never going to have to sign that damn thing! I want to help all the new (and old!) quitters out there so if any body wants my digits, just pm and I'll be happy to provide them and whoever needs to talk or text just has to dial them at any time. Everybody have a great weekend and today, I quit with all of you.
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Just wanted to give a shout out to all the guys who have been texting me and calling me over the past 12 days. Quitting this time feels different because of this site and my determination to stop dipping after 34 years. I don't who created this site but I believe it is saving my life and countless others. The stories and the posts on this site (the good and the bad) give me strength and determination to maintain my quit everyday. I'm still very early in the process but I know I will maintain my quit this time. I start off everyday reading the "Contract" and I promise I am never going to have to sign that damn thing! I want to help all the new (and old!) quitters out there so if any body wants my digits, just pm and I'll be happy to provide them and whoever needs to talk or text just has to dial them at any time. Everybody have a great weekend and today, I quit with all of you.
Congrats on an outstanding start to your quit brother! Keep up the great work!
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Hey, you three guests reading the General Discussion Board.
Are you ready to quit??
Dump that shit out, sign up and post roll with us. It will be the best decision of your life.
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My first post. I have been chewing for 44 years. The first thing I did in the morning was put in a chew of Copenhagen, the last thing I did every day was take a chew out. The only time I didn't have a chew in was when I was eating. So basically all day I had a chew in.
I am on day 4 of the quit. Been chewing gum and using smoky mountain fake chew to get me by. Also taking Bupropion to take the edge off. All seems to be pretty good, though I have a had a few moments. I got pretty dizzy on day 2, but it passed after about a half hour. I few recalls so strong I could literally taste Copenhagen. I try to get busy with something to preoccupy me whenever I start to get cravings.
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My first post. I have been chewing for 44 years. The first thing I did in the morning was put in a chew of Copenhagen, the last thing I did every day was take a chew out. The only time I didn't have a chew in was when I was eating. So basically all day I had a chew in.
I am on day 4 of the quit. Been chewing gum and using smoky mountain fake chew to get me by. Also taking Bupropion to take the edge off. All seems to be pretty good, though I have a had a few moments. I got pretty dizzy on day 2, but it passed after about a half hour. I few recalls so strong I could literally taste Copenhagen. I try to get busy with something to preoccupy me whenever I start to get cravings.
You know what makes for an excellent distraction? Posting roll and getting involved in a quit group here.
Based on your quit date, you would be in the February '19 (https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=697.0) quit group. I strongly suggest you get on over there, post roll, and connect with a bunch of other quitters going through the same thing you are right now.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
you thanks, I'm not really sure if there's anyone in my group, or I'm the only one deal with withdrawals, cause I haven't seen another person post about what there going through.
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My bad, moved to Intros.
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Having this jaw, arm numbness for the last couple of days, cold flashes, I also have no had an appetite in the evenings. I feel like the anxiety is not as intense. But is still very noticeable and sometimes last with me the whole day still. I was chewing a can of more a day for 11yrs. So hell I don't know.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
you thanks, I'm not really sure if there's anyone in my group, or I'm the only one deal with withdrawals, cause I haven't seen another person post about what there going through.
NEVER hesitate to post in your home group just because you're not seeing someone else talk about something. Could be they are feeling exactly like you but don't want to post about it for the exact same reason. Post away... if you don't get any response, do exactly what you did and find some other group to post in. ASK AWAY!
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
thank you so much. You have been very helpful in this challenging process.
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
thank you so much. You have been very helpful in this challenging process.
Oh buddy you are not alone!
Week 1 was beyond hell, I was at the doctors several times because of anxiety.
Days 50-75, I had anxiety and depression and it was rough.
I still have mild depression but instead of lasting a day or couple days, I typically snap out of it in an hour. I can literally notice it come when I would typically want a chew. So my brain has gone from craves to actually making me sad!
Look quitting nicotine is rough, most of us used it for stress management. I dipped for 18 years and I’m 101 days free. It does get better, I promise it does. We all sound like a broken record because we all experienced the same crap you did (various degrees).
For me I didn’t get pills, made it worse for me. I use CBD to help calm my butt down.
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12 Years of Freedom From Tobacco For KTC
https://www.killthecan.org/12-years-of-freedom-from-tobacco-for-ktc/
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Ok finally I think I've found the place for questions and answers. I'm hoping
What questions are you looking to get answered? Happy to point you in the right direction.
withdrawl symptoms, if others have had the same thing going in. I've had anxiety since last night tjought I had it under control. Went to be and it woke me up in the night had to take a pill from my Dr to get some relief. But then woke up and I had that pressure, heart fluttering in my chest all day. Just can't seem to break it.
Knowing what to expect is found here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and here (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp).
Matt - I know I've struggled with mild depression and anxiety throughout my quit. It's pretty normal actually. Most of us used nicotine as a crutch to "even ourselves out" when we faced that before. Now that we've quit, we have to struggle through that process of rewiring our brains to take nicotine out of the equation. It's going to take time. The good news is that it WILL get better over time. The bad news is that it WILL take time to get over.
Don't hesitate to reach out to a health care professional if this becomes something that affects your day to day life. NRT (nic replacement therapy) is obviously not tolerated at KTC, but there's absolutely NO SHAME in using one of the drugs that's been shown to reduce the anxiety associated with quitting (Chantrix, Wellbutrin, etc).
Reach out to others in your group. Post your struggles in your quit group. You're NOT alone, and by getting that conversation going you'll help yourself as well as others around you that are struggling with it as well.
thank you so much. You have been very helpful in this challenging process.
Oh buddy you are not alone!
Week 1 was beyond hell, I was at the doctors several times because of anxiety.
Days 50-75, I had anxiety and depression and it was rough.
I still have mild depression but instead of lasting a day or couple days, I typically snap out of it in an hour. I can literally notice it come when I would typically want a chew. So my brain has gone from craves to actually making me sad!
Look quitting nicotine is rough, most of us used it for stress management. I dipped for 18 years and I’m 101 days free. It does get better, I promise it does. We all sound like a broken record because we all experienced the same crap you did (various degrees).
For me I didn’t get pills, made it worse for me. I use CBD to help calm my butt down.
thanks everyone for the encouraging comments. I've just learned to embrace this feeling. And go one about my day. It has definitely gotten easier. I'm not as on edge. And trying to give my mind a break.
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I AM ON DAY 20. SO FAR SO GOOD. I USE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT HERE YEARS AGO WHEN I QUIT. THIS GO AROUND IT HAS BEEN 20 DAYS.
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I was a firefighter in a previous life. This is a video that changed my Christmas tree philosophy:
Christmas tree fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_eHBqVYa8A)
Spark to room totally involved in less than 30 seconds.
Check your smoke detector batteries.
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I AM ON DAY 20. SO FAR SO GOOD. I USE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT HERE YEARS AGO WHEN I QUIT. THIS GO AROUND IT HAS BEEN 20 DAYS.
Awesome - were you spazmechanic previously?
When was your last stoppage on KTC?
Day 20 would put you in the February Pre-HoF Group
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=697.2415
we keep folks hitting the first milestone together... It helps because you are all going through the same shit at almost the same time...
Head in there, put your name under quitter along with your day count - and your promise to stay nicotine free today
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Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, and found everything on here very inspiring. I started chewing when I was 18, and recently turned 24. I'd go through a can every 2-3 days. Recently I've decided to quit for good. I quit two weeks ago and failed after 5 days. Not this time. I'm 18 hours tobacco free so far and I feel a mixture of things. This is probably the hardest it's ever been in the multiple attempts I had. I believe its because my brain is aware this is the final time. I'm not going to accept failure!
I can definitely tell I'm anxious. Staying busy helps, but it's difficult. Chewing on straws is very helpful. I get an occasional irritation in my gums and jaw, but I imagine it's my bodies way of telling me it wants nicotine. Teeth ache a bit. Face feels hot, and I laugh for no reason. The idea of being free from an addiction is far more appealing to me than my perceived need. I know it's all a mind game, and I'm feeling very positive. Heading to the dentist tomorrow too, and for the first time in forever I'm not dreading the feeling of being ashamed.
If you're reading this I appreciate it. I just wanted an outlet to vent my feelings. I know my habit was mild compared to many of you (chewing a can a day just seems crazy to me) but it's difficult all the same. Anyways cheers guys.
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Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, and found everything on here very inspiring. I started chewing when I was 18, and recently turned 24. I'd go through a can every 2-3 days. Recently I've decided to quit for good. I quit two weeks ago and failed after 5 days. Not this time. I'm 18 hours tobacco free so far and I feel a mixture of things. This is probably the hardest it's ever been in the multiple attempts I had. I believe its because my brain is aware this is the final time. I'm not going to accept failure!
I can definitely tell I'm anxious. Staying busy helps, but it's difficult. Chewing on straws is very helpful. I get an occasional irritation in my gums and jaw, but I imagine it's my bodies way of telling me it wants nicotine. Teeth ache a bit. Face feels hot, and I laugh for no reason. The idea of being free from an addiction is far more appealing to me than my perceived need. I know it's all a mind game, and I'm feeling very positive. Heading to the dentist tomorrow too, and for the first time in forever I'm not dreading the feeling of being ashamed.
If you're reading this I appreciate it. I just wanted an outlet to vent my feelings. I know my habit was mild compared to many of you (chewing a can a day just seems crazy to me) but it's difficult all the same. Anyways cheers guys.
I agree with you. Your mind knows when you're serious and it just feels different. The best way to be sure you are quit today is to get yourself on roll. You will be in the March 2019 group. Read how to post roll from the main page and then go post roll. Nothing like the first time getting your name on roll knowing this is it, I quit! We quit one day at a time. No matter how bad it gets, tobacco is not an option. We are quit. Welcome and be sure to drink the kool aid. This place will keep you quit if you let it.
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Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, and found everything on here very inspiring. I started chewing when I was 18, and recently turned 24. I'd go through a can every 2-3 days. Recently I've decided to quit for good. I quit two weeks ago and failed after 5 days. Not this time. I'm 18 hours tobacco free so far and I feel a mixture of things. This is probably the hardest it's ever been in the multiple attempts I had. I believe its because my brain is aware this is the final time. I'm not going to accept failure!
I can definitely tell I'm anxious. Staying busy helps, but it's difficult. Chewing on straws is very helpful. I get an occasional irritation in my gums and jaw, but I imagine it's my bodies way of telling me it wants nicotine. Teeth ache a bit. Face feels hot, and I laugh for no reason. The idea of being free from an addiction is far more appealing to me than my perceived need. I know it's all a mind game, and I'm feeling very positive. Heading to the dentist tomorrow too, and for the first time in forever I'm not dreading the feeling of being ashamed.
If you're reading this I appreciate it. I just wanted an outlet to vent my feelings. I know my habit was mild compared to many of you (chewing a can a day just seems crazy to me) but it's difficult all the same. Anyways cheers guys.
I agree with you. Your mind knows when you're serious and it just feels different. The best way to be sure you are quit today is to get yourself on roll. You will be in the March 2019 group. Read how to post roll from the main page and then go post roll. Nothing like the first time getting your name on roll knowing this is it, I quit! We quit one day at a time. No matter how bad it gets, tobacco is not an option. We are quit. Welcome and be sure to drink the kool aid. This place will keep you quit if you let it.
just wanted to welcome you, yes it can be a though road, trust me I've struggled there many days so far in my quit. But I'm starting to feel all those feeling starting to fade slightly. If ya need anything at all send me a message.
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Just curious, has any one tried melatonin to help with sleepiness. And the anxiety? Was reading that it helps with both.
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Just curious, has any one tried melatonin to help with sleepiness. And the anxiety? Was reading that it helps with both.
Not personally but there have been a slew of folks over the years that have used melatonin to help with sleep issues.
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FDA approves groundbreaking cancer drug
https://fox8.com/2018/11/27/fda-approves-groundbreaking-cancer-drug/
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Have you joined a quit group? The support you will receive is awesome. here is the link to the March group. https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=793.0 WUPP - wake up, piss, and make you promise to fellow quitters to stay Nic free. Send me a message if I can help.
Keith
January 2018 group
Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, and found everything on here very inspiring. I started chewing when I was 18, and recently turned 24. I'd go through a can every 2-3 days. Recently I've decided to quit for good. I quit two weeks ago and failed after 5 days. Not this time. I'm 18 hours tobacco free so far and I feel a mixture of things. This is probably the hardest it's ever been in the multiple attempts I had. I believe its because my brain is aware this is the final time. I'm not going to accept failure!
I can definitely tell I'm anxious. Staying busy helps, but it's difficult. Chewing on straws is very helpful. I get an occasional irritation in my gums and jaw, but I imagine it's my bodies way of telling me it wants nicotine. Teeth ache a bit. Face feels hot, and I laugh for no reason. The idea of being free from an addiction is far more appealing to me than my perceived need. I know it's all a mind game, and I'm feeling very positive. Heading to the dentist tomorrow too, and for the first time in forever I'm not dreading the feeling of being ashamed.
If you're reading this I appreciate it. I just wanted an outlet to vent my feelings. I know my habit was mild compared to many of you (chewing a can a day just seems crazy to me) but it's difficult all the same. Anyways cheers guys.
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Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, and found everything on here very inspiring. I started chewing when I was 18, and recently turned 24. I'd go through a can every 2-3 days. Recently I've decided to quit for good. I quit two weeks ago and failed after 5 days. Not this time. I'm 18 hours tobacco free so far and I feel a mixture of things. This is probably the hardest it's ever been in the multiple attempts I had. I believe its because my brain is aware this is the final time. I'm not going to accept failure!
I can definitely tell I'm anxious. Staying busy helps, but it's difficult. Chewing on straws is very helpful. I get an occasional irritation in my gums and jaw, but I imagine it's my bodies way of telling me it wants nicotine. Teeth ache a bit. Face feels hot, and I laugh for no reason. The idea of being free from an addiction is far more appealing to me than my perceived need. I know it's all a mind game, and I'm feeling very positive. Heading to the dentist tomorrow too, and for the first time in forever I'm not dreading the feeling of being ashamed.
If you're reading this I appreciate it. I just wanted an outlet to vent my feelings. I know my habit was mild compared to many of you (chewing a can a day just seems crazy to me) but it's difficult all the same. Anyways cheers guys.
Welcome to the group Kicken! Coming here will end up being the best and most important decision of your life. From the first time I posted I felt a sense of responsibility to everyone on this site. Then when you get to texting other quitters each morning, the accountability goes up even further. It's helps so much and is such a blessing.
I'm at day 96 after 25+ years of chewing easily a can a day. I stopped about 5 years ago for a month and it was so easy. Didn't have a single withdraw. Clearly my mind knew I'd be back. But this quit has hurt pretty much every single cell in my body, and I'm glad it has. I need to remember how I felt the first couple of weeks to keep me going. And each person is different, but for me, I can never become complacent. I can never get cocky. I'm 96 days in and there are times it feels like I'm 96 minutes in. Things obviously have gotten so much better, but the urge will be with us for the rest of our lives. We need to be deliberate with our thoughts, our actions. This nic bitch will try to get at us in every single way it knows how. Lean on your brothers and sisters for help when needed!
If you need anything, don't hesitate to contact me!
Desert Dweller - Darrell
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Here is another reason to stop dipping (as if saving your life is not enough):
I started having problems with my teeth in my late 20's. I had been dipping about 10 years by then. What did I do? Kept right on dipping for another 24 years. Kept having teeth issues (when you dip or smoke, brushing, flossing, and mouthwash will not help. They are no match for the nicotine and other crap in tobacco). Fast forward to this morning (Nov. 30, 2018). I had to have one root canal, one tooth extraction, and a brand new bridge built. The worst part? $3800.00 and that was just my part. I'm not rich. Just a high school teacher. That $3800.00 right here at Christmas hurts. Thank God we had it but that is money we could have spent on a trip or fixing up the house or hell, even giving it to charity to help others. Nope. Not anymore. Because of my stupidity, that money is now just gone. A needless expense. I'm on day 33 today thanks to the stories on this website (most of which are far worse than mine) and thanks to the support I've gotten. If you are on this site and looking around thinking about quitting. Do it. Now. No more excuses. Do it before you begin to lose your teeth and have to spend serious money getting them fixed. Do it before you have to be told you have cancer. Do it. Now.
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Hi my name is Bobby and today I have finally decided it is time to quit for good. I'm looking for some people to honestly help me and in return help them. I am 34, been dipping since I was 20 and am sick and tired of dip controlling my life. I want to share my number and get a text support group if possible. Let me know if anyone wants to start a team with me or I can join theirs.
LOVE to all,
Bobby
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Hi my name is Bobby and today I have finally decided it is time to quit for good. I'm looking for some people to honestly help me and in return help them. I am 34, been dipping since I was 20 and am sick and tired of dip controlling my life. I want to share my number and get a text support group if possible. Let me know if anyone wants to start a team with me or I can join theirs.
LOVE to all,
Bobby
Welcome Bobby!! Glad to have you here!!
Not sure what your quit date is, but I will assume it was recent.... Head over to March 2019 quit group and post your promise not to use nicotine today.
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=793.msg136076#new
Then, spend the rest of the day keeping that promise, wake up tomorrow and do it again!
We try and group new quitters together, so you are all going through the same stuff at about the same time
Quit with you today
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Samrs, Fishflorida, Miker0351 got together at Ten Penny in Pittsburgh, Pa.
https://www.killthecan.org/samrs-fishflorida-miker0351-at-ten-penny/
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Here is another reason to stop dipping (as if saving your life is not enough):
I started having problems with my teeth in my late 20's. I had been dipping about 10 years by then. What did I do? Kept right on dipping for another 24 years. Kept having teeth issues (when you dip or smoke, brushing, flossing, and mouthwash will not help. They are no match for the nicotine and other crap in tobacco). Fast forward to this morning (Nov. 30, 2018). I had to have one root canal, one tooth extraction, and a brand new bridge built. The worst part? $3800.00 and that was just my part. I'm not rich. Just a high school teacher. That $3800.00 right here at Christmas hurts. Thank God we had it but that is money we could have spent on a trip or fixing up the house or hell, even giving it to charity to help others. Nope. Not anymore. Because of my stupidity, that money is now just gone. A needless expense. I'm on day 33 today thanks to the stories on this website (most of which are far worse than mine) and thanks to the support I've gotten. If you are on this site and looking around thinking about quitting. Do it. Now. No more excuses. Do it before you begin to lose your teeth and have to spend serious money getting them fixed. Do it before you have to be told you have cancer. Do it. Now.
Those kinds of sudden, unexpected bills hurt. But now you can look forward to all the money you are saving by not buying a can of chew every day. (3 for me). That will add up faster than you know it. The other silver lining is the dentist did not tell you you have cancer, right?
Still wins brother. ;D
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Minnesota Quit - MNSeeds, PMILS, Johninslp, Bags
https://www.killthecan.org/minnesota-quit-mnseeds-pmils-johninslp-bags/
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Hey all,
Just wanted to post a few things on my quit journey so far. I've been told by some much wiser(but definitely not better looking lol) individuals to get on the forum and post and not just in the GroupMe. Anyways, I'm on day 11 and things feel different this quit. My wife even tells me it seems different. To be honest, things are different, I have a group of guys and girls in my corner that have been there and it helps A LOT!
Day 1 sucked major ass. Day 2 I got hit with a head cold (sore throat, stuffy nose, itchy eyes, mucus, light cough) and that lasted for about 8 days. I'm not sure if this was a withdrawal symptom or just shitty luck, either way we got out unscathed. The small anxiety tightness in my chest was completely gone away by day 3, the fog lifted after day 3. Sleep is still messed up, some days I'll get 5-6 hours and then some days I'll get 9-10 hours. Still embracing the suck.
Chatting with fellow quitters and posting roll has really kept me on track. Another big thing I've been telling myself is that I don't have to be focused for a year or 2 or 3, I just need to stay focused for 1 day, every day. Anybody can stay focused for 1 day.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
-Menardo
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Hey all,
Just wanted to post a few things on my quit journey so far. I've been told by some much wiser(but definitely not better looking lol) individuals to get on the forum and post and not just in the GroupMe. Anyways, I'm on day 11 and things feel different this quit. My wife even tells me it seems different. To be honest, things are different, I have a group of guys and girls in my corner that have been there and it helps A LOT!
Day 1 sucked major ass. Day 2 I got hit with a head cold (sore throat, stuffy nose, itchy eyes, mucus, light cough) and that lasted for about 8 days. I'm not sure if this was a withdrawal symptom or just shitty luck, either way we got out unscathed. The small anxiety tightness in my chest was completely gone away by day 3, the fog lifted after day 3. Sleep is still messed up, some days I'll get 5-6 hours and then some days I'll get 9-10 hours. Still embracing the suck.
Chatting with fellow quitters and posting roll has really kept me on track. Another big thing I've been telling myself is that I don't have to be focused for a year or 2 or 3, I just need to stay focused for 1 day, every day. Anybody can stay focused for 1 day.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
-Menardo
Rant away brother... that's why we're here. And you're 100% right about one thing. Don't worry about 'forever'... it's too big. Take it one day at a time. Those +1's will add up before you know it.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Chewie
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69Franx On Day 500 - congrats brother!
https://www.killthecan.org/69franx-on-day-500/
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Just wanted to ask a few questions and see if anyone could offer some help. I'm 22 years old, I dipped off and on at 17 and then a can a day when I turned 18 and from 19-21 I dipped two cans a day or sometimes more. Working nights at a bar and being in college and getting shitfaced and throwing in an eagle claw never did me any favors. Regardless I've been dip free since 9/2/18, its been a little over 100 days and i was wondering if you guys had any experience with like a little bump on your gum that you can kind of push around. Its like there is a sesame seed under my gum below my k-9 that i can push around, I have a dentist appointment soon so i am going to get it looked at, but just wondering if anyone had experienced this before. I can also say that the dip dreams are still real, hot flashes, and the fog is still there occasionally. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Just wanted to ask a few questions and see if anyone could offer some help. I'm 22 years old, I dipped off and on at 17 and then a can a day when I turned 18 and from 19-21 I dipped two cans a day or sometimes more. Working nights at a bar and being in college and getting shitfaced and throwing in an eagle claw never did me any favors. Regardless I've been dip free since 9/2/18, its been a little over 100 days and i was wondering if you guys had any experience with like a little bump on your gum that you can kind of push around. Its like there is a sesame seed under my gum below my k-9 that i can push around, I have a dentist appointment soon so i am going to get it looked at, but just wondering if anyone had experienced this before. I can also say that the dip dreams are still real, hot flashes, and the fog is still there occasionally. Thanks in advance for any help.
First - congrats on quitting!! That's bad-ass!!
Unfortunately, we aren't really equipped to handle medical advice.... Seeing your Doctor or Dentist is what is best.
Feel free to post roll in the December group. A bunch of those folks are hitting 100 days as well
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=52.0
You made it this far on your own, which is awesome.... maybe the next few milestones, some outside help would make it easier?
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BrianG, Rocketman, Jpfabel1073 and Cbird in Dallas
https://www.killthecan.org/briang-rocketman-jpfabel1073-and-cbird-in-dallas/
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It Sucks man. You need to get all the Nicotine patches and gum in the world, then yeah I can do it. That is expensive.
But yeah I was planning and wanted to stop by...I think it's demorphism of America or something a big waddd in...it doesn't look Intelligent lol.
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KTC. I've been trying to quit on my own but can't stick with it. I need help. I quit with KTC years ago but I drifted away and lost it. Proof that you have to post forever. I want to start over and honour the community but I don't even know how to reach out. Regardless, I'm 24 hours in and pushing for 100 days 1 day at a time.
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KTC. I've been trying to quit on my own but can't stick with it. I need help. I quit with KTC years ago but I drifted away and lost it. Proof that you have to post forever. I want to start over and honour the community but I don't even know how to reach out. Regardless, I'm 24 hours in and pushing for 100 days 1 day at a time.
Zach - welcome back. First thing to do is to find the March 19 quit group and post your promise to stay quit for the day.
Next, we're going to need to to work with us and identify your previous account. I'll send you a PM to get that ball rolling. For purposes of accountability, we will want you to use your original screen name from the old site.
Finally - people are going
To be asking you to answer some questions, both in your old quit group and in March 19. What happened? Why did it happen? What are you going to so differently this time?
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Hi All - This is my first time logging into the site. I made the decision this morning that I am done with nicotine. Where is the best place for me to start on the site? Thanks in advance for all of the support that I know I will need!
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Hi All - This is my first time logging into the site. I made the decision this morning that I am done with nicotine. Where is the best place for me to start on the site? Thanks in advance for all of the support that I know I will need!
Congrats on making a great decision!! you'll be in the March 19 group!
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=793.0
head over there and post your promise to be nicotine free for the rest of the day. Then keep your word
repeat again tomorrow!!
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Hi All - This is my first time logging into the site. I made the decision this morning that I am done with nicotine. Where is the best place for me to start on the site? Thanks in advance for all of the support that I know I will need!
Congrats on making a great decision!! you'll be in the March 19 group!
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=793.0
head over there and post your promise to be nicotine free for the rest of the day. Then keep your word
repeat again tomorrow!!
^^^ Good advice.
Welcome!
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Quitting Around The Holidays
https://www.killthecan.org/quitting-around-the-holidays/
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Hello quit brothers,
I just wanted to ask the quit community here for a little help. This community has helped me so much in achieving daily freedom from Nicotine and dip I hope you will share the link in this post for me. My family and I have had a tough year and just need a helping hand to get us through to better things coming on the horizon. I decided to start a Go Fund Me campaign to reach out to the internet, I just need more shares so we can reach our goal. So please if you read this share or donate a few bucks if you feel inclined but sharing alone would be huge. I know my profile says I''m a newbie with these new forums, but I quit 07-16-2013 and thank god every day for this site.
Thank you all and Merry Christmas!
https://www.gofundme.com/kfrnz-helping-hand-for-the-holidays&rcid=r01-154556822733-120abcb97fe94737&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_w
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It Sucks man. You need to get all the Nicotine patches and gum in the world, then yeah I can do it. That is expensive.
But yeah I was planning and wanted to stop by...I think it's demorphism of America or something a big waddd in...it doesn't look Intelligent lol.
Nah. Fuck that. Just post roll and keep your word. Easy.
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Hello quit brothers,
I just wanted to ask the quit community here for a little help. This community has helped me so much in achieving daily freedom from Nicotine and dip I hope you will share the link in this post for me. My family and I have had a tough year and just need a helping hand to get us through to better things coming on the horizon. I decided to start a Go Fund Me campaign to reach out to the internet, I just need more shares so we can reach our goal. So please if you read this share or donate a few bucks if you feel inclined but sharing alone would be huge. I know my profile says I''m a newbie with these new forums, but I quit 07-16-2013 and thank god every day for this site.
Thank you all and Merry Christmas!
https://www.gofundme.com/kfrnz-helping-hand-for-the-holidays&rcid=r01-154556822733-120abcb97fe94737&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_w
Care to put your tin cup away and join us in quitting?
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Day 5 of the quit. I've quit cold turkey before without too much fanfare. This time kinda sucks my small ones. The cravings are stronger and more frequent and the head is in a fog half the day. I have anxiety anyway controlled by meds but it for sure is creeping up a tick or two. Hopefully this is just a couple of weeks of bullshit, but things certainly seem more difficult this time around.
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What did you Do? to the Griz man...Psychoed the Fuck out of it. I got a hold of one of those and was all fucked up on the couch laughing and wanting to kill everyone and Hallucinating badddd lol. You sick Fucker lol
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Day 5 of the quit. I've quit cold turkey before without too much fanfare. This time kinda sucks my small ones. The cravings are stronger and more frequent and the head is in a fog half the day. I have anxiety anyway controlled by meds but it for sure is creeping up a tick or two. Hopefully this is just a couple of weeks of bullshit, but things certainly seem more difficult this time around.
It's going to suck until it doesn't... wish I had a better answer. But, stick with it. Quit today, Quit for this hour, Quit for this minute... whatever you need to do. It does get better!! Soooo much better!!!
Drink copious amounts of water, that will help...
Jump into the March Quit group, these folks are about the same distance in their quit, or just past it
https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=793.0
Make your promise and keep your word... If I can quit, anybody can
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Just quit...thinking trying to again...you know it's awful stuff. Our we the Psycho's and nicotine schitzoid's of society? I think it's awful dope head like...actually good dope like, sorta. Why I'm not really sure what to say or think.
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I hit 103 days today. Too bad this forum is unusable and I have no idea where to post it.
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I hit 103 days today. Too bad this forum is unusable and I have no idea where to post it.
Welcome Dipster!
I sent you a pm as well with the info, but you are a part of December 18' quit group. This link will take you there https://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=52.0 Making it to 100 on your own is awesome! Head over and post roll with them, they are a great group.
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Hello quit brothers,
I just wanted to ask the quit community here for a little help. This community has helped me so much in achieving daily freedom from Nicotine and dip I hope you will share the link in this post for me. My family and I have had a tough year and just need a helping hand to get us through to better things coming on the horizon. I decided to start a Go Fund Me campaign to reach out to the internet, I just need more shares so we can reach our goal. So please if you read this share or donate a few bucks if you feel inclined but sharing alone would be huge. I know my profile says I''m a newbie with these new forums, but I quit 07-16-2013 and thank god every day for this site.
Thank you all and Merry Christmas!
https://www.gofundme.com/kfrnz-helping-hand-for-the-holidays&rcid=r01-154556822733-120abcb97fe94737&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_w
Care to put your tin cup away and join us in quitting?
Wow you're a special kind of asshole huh.... been quit for a long while thanks to others on this site.
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Just quit...thinking trying to again...you know it's awful stuff. Our we the Psycho's and nicotine schitzoid's of society? I think it's awful dope head like...actually good dope like, sorta. Why I'm not really sure what to say or think.
You gonna keep posting weird garbage, or join a group and quit?
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It's horrible and painful....I hate it anymore...about a couple days in and the Initial withdrawal still....really feel like shit and sickkkk....
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It's horrible and painful....I hate it anymore...about a couple days in and the Initial withdrawal still....really feel like shit and sickkkk....
Then join a group (April '18) and post your day count.
Edit: April 19
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Hello quit brothers,
I just wanted to ask the quit community here for a little help. This community has helped me so much in achieving daily freedom from Nicotine and dip I hope you will share the link in this post for me. My family and I have had a tough year and just need a helping hand to get us through to better things coming on the horizon. I decided to start a Go Fund Me campaign to reach out to the internet, I just need more shares so we can reach our goal. So please if you read this share or donate a few bucks if you feel inclined but sharing alone would be huge. I know my profile says I''m a newbie with these new forums, but I quit 07-16-2013 and thank god every day for this site.
Thank you all and Merry Christmas!
https://www.gofundme.com/kfrnz-helping-hand-for-the-holidays&rcid=r01-154556822733-120abcb97fe94737&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_w
Care to put your tin cup away and join us in quitting?
Wow you're a special kind of asshole huh.... been quit for a long while thanks to others on this site.
He was banned from his group haha
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I don't know what group to join. Put me in a group lol. It's only been a couple days...But I'm seriously thinking none at all man...Done everything for years and just time I think I had enough.
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I don't know what group to join. Put me in a group lol. It's only been a couple days...But I'm seriously thinking none at all man...Done everything for years and just time I think I had enough.
Go to "pre-HOF quit groups," go to "April '19," and introduce yourself
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You're fineeeee fucker...just quit. Not gonna loose your jaw tongue or any of that shit...stupid wives tell's stories....kid 15 years...I'm fineeeeeeeeeee lol. Just brush man.
That Dick beater though liked the doper Griz though and blamed skoal...that fucker I know you remember it in the magazines. It is the truth..that fucker or it was all concocted....I never seen it fucker I swear. There's old timers still got their shit pulled their still putting a wadd in man....
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This is where it all begins...
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Happy New Year quitters!!!
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Let's roll! Time to get your Quit on. Read all you can and get involved...and then post your promise and keep your word.
You can do this.
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No More. (https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media/vc/c6d47cb1-f97b-4206-9e99-6e2ebc10747b.jpg)
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I quit 24 hours ago. I feel really antsy and like I'm in a mental fog... I know it's going to get better but as of right now "fuuuuu this".
I'm going to beat this addiction! Can someone just hold me and tell me it's going to get better?
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I quit 24 hours ago. I feel really antsy and like I'm in a mental fog... I know it's going to get better but as of right now "fuuuuu this".
I'm going to beat this addiction! Can someone just hold me and tell me it's going to get better?
It gets better sir. I promise.
*Chewie Hug* (https://media1.tenor.com/images/926878aa7de6e97287f8f015269d0d82/tenor.gif?itemid=5174172)
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I quit 24 hours ago. I feel really antsy and like I'm in a mental fog... I know it's going to get better but as of right now "fuuuuu this".
I'm going to beat this addiction! Can someone just hold me and tell me it's going to get better?
It gets better sir. I promise.
*Chewie Hug* (https://media1.tenor.com/images/926878aa7de6e97287f8f015269d0d82/tenor.gif?itemid=5174172)
Welcome Tiz! If the hug from Chewie wasn't enough, consider posting up with these guys: topic/30424041/85/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/85/#new). Post a promise there not to use nicotine for one day. Keep that promise. Repeat.
They might hug you, or put a boot up your ass depending on what the situation calls for, but if you hold up your end of the bargain, they will help keep you quit through anything that comes up.
And yes, it will get better!
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I quit almost 8 years ago. I am experiencing something strange lately. Cravings worse than when I first quit. Talking with my wife she agrees that I never got over the physical effects of quitting. I am angrier, more stressed, easier to set off, etc, and over the last 2 months it is becoming exponentially worse. I feel like a powder keg just waiting to explode.
There is a possibility of it being linked to ADHD-C. I am hanging on by a thread but I actually have a can sitting in my kitchen. Not sure I am wanting to stay quit as I know that flood of nicotine will do what it did for 25 years. Soothe the beast. At least until I can get to a doctor and get diagnosed and start treatment.
Has anyone that quit long term dealt with anything like this? I have started binge eating along with all these other problems. Fake dip, seeds, nothing works to settle me down. Any ADHD sufferers out that have experienced anything like this? Considering trying vaping, e cigs, or gum/patches to get a hit without the poison that is in tobacco, but I am feeling like I am losing control.
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I quit almost 8 years ago. I am experiencing something strange lately. Cravings worse than when I first quit. Talking with my wife she agrees that I never got over the physical effects of quitting. I am angrier, more stressed, easier to set off, etc, and over the last 2 months it is becoming exponentially worse. I feel like a powder keg just waiting to explode.
There is a possibility of it being linked to ADHD-C. I am hanging on by a thread but I actually have a can sitting in my kitchen. Not sure I am wanting to stay quit as I know that flood of nicotine will do what it did for 25 years. Soothe the beast. At least until I can get to a doctor and get diagnosed and start treatment.
Has anyone that quit long term dealt with anything like this? I have started binge eating along with all these other problems. Fake dip, seeds, nothing works to settle me down. Any ADHD sufferers out that have experienced anything like this? Considering trying vaping, e cigs, or gum/patches to get a hit without the poison that is in tobacco, but I am feeling like I am losing control.
Flush that can down the toilet! Immediately.
I canÂ’t speak to your symptoms, I havenÂ’t been Quit that long and it sounds unusual that withdrawal and cravings would still affect you. Have you been using some other form of nicotine or other drug?
You might want to speak with a specialist or even a psychologist to explore what might be triggering your response.
I do know that the can on that table doesnÂ’t contain the answers and it wonÂ’t make your life any better. If after 8 years Quit you are short tempered and irritable, hell maybe youÂ’re just an irritable guy with a short temper! All opening that can will do, is make you a short tempered guy who just threw away 8 years of quit.
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I quit almost 8 years ago. I am experiencing something strange lately. Cravings worse than when I first quit. Talking with my wife she agrees that I never got over the physical effects of quitting. I am angrier, more stressed, easier to set off, etc, and over the last 2 months it is becoming exponentially worse. I feel like a powder keg just waiting to explode.
There is a possibility of it being linked to ADHD-C. I am hanging on by a thread but I actually have a can sitting in my kitchen. Not sure I am wanting to stay quit as I know that flood of nicotine will do what it did for 25 years. Soothe the beast. At least until I can get to a doctor and get diagnosed and start treatment.
Has anyone that quit long term dealt with anything like this? I have started binge eating along with all these other problems. Fake dip, seeds, nothing works to settle me down. Any ADHD sufferers out that have experienced anything like this? Considering trying vaping, e cigs, or gum/patches to get a hit without the poison that is in tobacco, but I am feeling like I am losing control.
Flush that can down the toilet! Immediately.
I canÂ’t speak to your symptoms, I havenÂ’t been Quit that long and it sounds unusual that withdrawal and cravings would still affect you. Have you been using some other form of nicotine or other drug?
You might want to speak with a specialist or even a psychologist to explore what might be triggering your response.
I do know that the can on that table doesnÂ’t contain the answers and it wonÂ’t make your life any better. If after 8 years Quit you are short tempered and irritable, hell maybe youÂ’re just an irritable guy with a short temper! All opening that can will do, is make you a short tempered guy who just threw away 8 years of quit.
Its amazing the tricky nic bitch still playing mind games after 8 years quit. Dont fall for it, its a trick. Flush that shit is right. 8 years and you bought a can? Cmon bro.
How about try walking, working out, doing push ups, cleaning the garage, painting the bathroom, ANYTHING other than adding another problem to your life by opening that can, e-cigging, patch, etc.... DONT DO IT
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I quit almost 8 years ago. I am experiencing something strange lately. Cravings worse than when I first quit. Talking with my wife she agrees that I never got over the physical effects of quitting. I am angrier, more stressed, easier to set off, etc, and over the last 2 months it is becoming exponentially worse. I feel like a powder keg just waiting to explode.
There is a possibility of it being linked to ADHD-C. I am hanging on by a thread but I actually have a can sitting in my kitchen. Not sure I am wanting to stay quit as I know that flood of nicotine will do what it did for 25 years. Soothe the beast. At least until I can get to a doctor and get diagnosed and start treatment.
Has anyone that quit long term dealt with anything like this? I have started binge eating along with all these other problems. Fake dip, seeds, nothing works to settle me down. Any ADHD sufferers out that have experienced anything like this? Considering trying vaping, e cigs, or gum/patches to get a hit without the poison that is in tobacco, but I am feeling like I am losing control.
Flush that can down the toilet! Immediately.
I canÂ’t speak to your symptoms, I havenÂ’t been Quit that long and it sounds unusual that withdrawal and cravings would still affect you. Have you been using some other form of nicotine or other drug?
You might want to speak with a specialist or even a psychologist to explore what might be triggering your response.
I do know that the can on that table doesnÂ’t contain the answers and it wonÂ’t make your life any better. If after 8 years Quit you are short tempered and irritable, hell maybe youÂ’re just an irritable guy with a short temper! All opening that can will do, is make you a short tempered guy who just threw away 8 years of quit.
Its amazing the tricky nic bitch still playing mind games after 8 years quit. Dont fall for it, its a trick. Flush that shit is right. 8 years and you bought a can? Cmon bro.
How about try walking, working out, doing push ups, cleaning the garage, painting the bathroom, ANYTHING other than adding another problem to your life by opening that can, e-cigging, patch, etc.... DONT DO IT
Give this a read Shagaroo. It may give you some perspective
Throwing Away a Long Term Quit
https://www.killthecan.org/facts-figure ... term-quit/ (https://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/throwing-away-a-long-term-quit/)
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A couple 5 hour energies and some Smokey Mtn Herbal got me through the night. Should keep me chugging till I get to a doc. :D Anyone else experiencing this know that 5 hour energies are a safe stim to clear your noggin in a bad situation! Anxiety is a bitch and ADHD is a real bitch.
Thanks for the kick in the britches!
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A couple 5 hour energies and some Smokey Mtn Herbal got me through the night. Should keep me chugging till I get to a doc. :D Anyone else experiencing this know that 5 hour energies are a safe stim to clear your noggin in a bad situation! Anxiety is a bitch and ADHD is a real bitch.
Thanks for the kick in the britches!
Glad you didn’t cave - but did you trash that can? You basically just played Russian roulette and heard ‘click.’ I want to make sure you don’t still have a round in the cylinder.
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Any NCAA Football fans out there? Who do you think is gonna win the title tonight?
https://www.killthecan.org/the-2018-nat ... p-of-quit/ (https://www.killthecan.org/the-2018-national-championship-of-quit/)
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A couple 5 hour energies and some Smokey Mtn Herbal got me through the night. Should keep me chugging till I get to a doc. :D Anyone else experiencing this know that 5 hour energies are a safe stim to clear your noggin in a bad situation! Anxiety is a bitch and ADHD is a real bitch.
Thanks for the kick in the britches!
Glad you didn’t cave - but did you trash that can? You basically just played Russian roulette and heard ‘click.’ I want to make sure you don’t still have a round in the cylinder.
Down the garbage disposal...
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IÂ’ve been dipping for 13 years and I decided to quit on Jan 6, 2018. Day #5 and I woke up this morning with a sore throat, runny nose and a headache that wouldnÂ’t stop. My jaw has been slightly hurting along with body aches. I purchased a nicotine patch and slapped it on today and it actually seemed to help me. I am also using Smokey mountain herbal snuff (straight) and that helps at night while at work.
I honestly am proud of myself for making it 5 days. I think I scared myself into thinking I had cancer or would get cancer. My mind has been racing these past 5 days. ItÂ’s crazy to think something as simple as a can of dip can take hold of you like this.
I recently found out my wife is pregnant. I want to quit for her and the baby. Those two are my driving force behind all this mess. This mess...I put myself in this mess because 13 years ago I thought IÂ’d be cool and start using smokeless tobacco. Everyone was doing it and it was the thing to do. Growing up hunting, fishing and playing sports. I played college football and it seemed everyone used smokeless Tobacco. I know everyday is going to be a grind but IÂ’ll push through and make. IÂ’m thankful I found this site.
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IÂ’ve been dipping for 13 years and I decided to quit on Jan 6, 2018. Day #5 and I woke up this morning with a sore throat, runny nose and a headache that wouldnÂ’t stop. My jaw has been slightly hurting along with body aches. I purchased a nicotine patch and slapped it on today and it actually seemed to help me. I am also using Smokey mountain herbal snuff (straight) and that helps at night while at work.
I honestly am proud of myself for making it 5 days. I think I scared myself into thinking I had cancer or would get cancer. My mind has been racing these past 5 days. ItÂ’s crazy to think something as simple as a can of dip can take hold of you like this.
I recently found out my wife is pregnant. I want to quit for her and the baby. Those two are my driving force behind all this mess. This mess...I put myself in this mess because 13 years ago I thought IÂ’d be cool and start using smokeless tobacco. Everyone was doing it and it was the thing to do. Growing up hunting, fishing and playing sports. I played college football and it seemed everyone used smokeless Tobacco. I know everyday is going to be a grind but IÂ’ll push through and make. IÂ’m thankful I found this site.
The patch is simply replacing the chemical you are withdrawing from... Cold Turkey is the way to go.
5 days is bad ass... 6 would have been better.... Lets do this together!!
Throw out everything that contains nicotine!! And post a day 1 in the April group!!
This link will bring you to the April 2018 Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/183/#new)
If I can quit, so can you!!!
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IÂ’ve been dipping for 13 years and I decided to quit on Jan 6, 2018. Day #5 and I woke up this morning with a sore throat, runny nose and a headache that wouldnÂ’t stop. My jaw has been slightly hurting along with body aches. I purchased a nicotine patch and slapped it on today and it actually seemed to help me. I am also using Smokey mountain herbal snuff (straight) and that helps at night while at work.
I honestly am proud of myself for making it 5 days. I think I scared myself into thinking I had cancer or would get cancer. My mind has been racing these past 5 days. ItÂ’s crazy to think something as simple as a can of dip can take hold of you like this.
I recently found out my wife is pregnant. I want to quit for her and the baby. Those two are my driving force behind all this mess. This mess...I put myself in this mess because 13 years ago I thought IÂ’d be cool and start using smokeless tobacco. Everyone was doing it and it was the thing to do. Growing up hunting, fishing and playing sports. I played college football and it seemed everyone used smokeless Tobacco. I know everyday is going to be a grind but IÂ’ll push through and make. IÂ’m thankful I found this site.
Yep, hate to break it to you, but the nicotine devil just whispered in your ear and you listened bro.... no patches. No cigarettes. No Cigars. No snus, dip, chew, anything. This is a NO NICOTINE website. Cold turkey, pull up your big boy pants and walk the road that is paved before you here.
Congrats on your upcoming child. Give him or her a clean dad to look up to.
The key is posting roll, your promise. Follow the link Batdad provided above and join your April group.
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IÂ’m hoping some can share thoughts on symptoms IÂ’m having today. Dipped for 26 years and IÂ’m on day 7 and posted roll this morning. Still on course! Ive been able to suppress the irratibilty and cravings pretty well, but IÂ’m dealing with some strange physical symptoms today. Anyone here had muscle twitching in the calves and tingling in a foot? Also had a moment today weÂ’re i felt extremely light headed and almost hyperglycemic. IÂ’ve read a lot on the internet about various symptoms and some people suggest these are possible symptoms of withdrawal.
Any thoughts/knowledge would be much appreciated.
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IÂ’m hoping some can share thoughts on symptoms IÂ’m having today. Dipped for 26 years and IÂ’m on day 7 and posted roll this morning. Still on course! Ive been able to suppress the irratibilty and cravings pretty well, but IÂ’m dealing with some strange physical symptoms today. Anyone here had muscle twitching in the calves and tingling in a foot? Also had a moment today weÂ’re i felt extremely light headed and almost hyperglycemic. IÂ’ve read a lot on the internet about various symptoms and some people suggest these are possible symptoms of withdrawal.
Any thoughts/knowledge would be much appreciated.
Are you drinking a bunch of water? When I would drink like 1.5 L of water a day then it seemed like everything was easier. When my body got dehydrated, quitting was harder than it needed to be.
Also, I have read that nicotine acts as sugars and your body is trying to react to not getting a sugar fix. I also sucked on Lemon drops, root beer barrels and tootsie pops in the early stages of my quit. Might be for you, whatever it takes to not put Nicodeath in your mouth.
Good luck and keep quitting hard brother!
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So I am planning to quit. I have tried several times to quit cold turkey, only to return with a vengeance. Finally began looking into alternatives, because Ive found what I miss most is that oral fixation. I have tried BacOff in the past but didn't even make it through one can as I am used to long cut and this was more like fine cut.
Can anyone suggest a good alternative? Preferably one that won't float. I am a cope, wintergreen, long cut man. I really want to quit but can't seem to kick it.
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So I am planning to quit. I have tried several times to quit cold turkey, only to return with a vengeance. Finally began looking into alternatives, because Ive found what I miss most is that oral fixation. I have tried BacOff in the past but didn't even make it through one can as I am used to long cut and this was more like fine cut.
Can anyone suggest a good alternative? Preferably one that won't float. I am a cope, wintergreen, long cut man. I really want to quit but can't seem to kick it.
Gum and patches won't work. They just drag out the process of getting nicotine out of your system, and you are basically craving all the time.
I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy, and for me, Smokey Mountain Wintergreen worked really well. It took care of the fix I needed without having any nicotine in it. You can generally get these at Wal-Mart or online.
And planning to Quit is not how you'll succeed. Just do it. Flush your shit and let's get you on roll in the April 2018 Pre-HOF Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/). You'll get the support you need, and will develop Brotherhood with a bunch of guys who are going through the same stuff as you are.
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So I am planning to quit. I have tried several times to quit cold turkey, only to return with a vengeance. Finally began looking into alternatives, because Ive found what I miss most is that oral fixation. I have tried BacOff in the past but didn't even make it through one can as I am used to long cut and this was more like fine cut.
Can anyone suggest a good alternative? Preferably one that won't float. I am a cope, wintergreen, long cut man. I really want to quit but can't seem to kick it.
Gum and patches won't work. They just drag out the process of getting nicotine out of your system, and you are basically craving all the time.
I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy, and for me, Smokey Mountain Wintergreen worked really well. It took care of the fix I needed without having any nicotine in it. You can generally get these at Wal-Mart or online.
And planning to Quit is not how you'll succeed. Just do it. Flush your shit and let's get you on roll in the April 2018 Pre-HOF Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/). You'll get the support you need, and will develop Brotherhood with a bunch of guys who are going through the same stuff as you are.
That's the key, getting in tight with people going through the same things you are at the same time. I used Smokey Wintergreen for a while, but eventually that faded as did the 'hand to mouth' obsession we all have.
Whats great about this place is that no matter how comfortable or cocky you may feel about your quit (im at 880+ now), there is ALWAYS someone further along than you. If i slip up, if I get lazy, people are watching. I hadn't posted one day a week ago or so it was late in the day..., driving home and got a text from a vet saying 'hey JB its never to late to post!"
Cmon man, how great is that? He was right. I always seem to wreck the roll with my mobile but i was content on waiting until i got home. Nope, I was called out, by another vet. Loved it. I pulled over, and posted, wrecked the roll but i did it.
When you get to be a vet the best thing is mentoring newbies, watching and helping them through the beginning. And my favorite is when a newbie I have been texting or talking with makes the HOF, it feels like ME making the HOF all over again. Satisfaction on steroids.
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Hope this is where I am suppose to post my promise-
For 18 years I have dipped, since I was 16! I remember being told to not start a habit that I could not quit. Most days I feel that this is true. However 63 hours ago I decided that if I was going to die of something tobacco was not going to be the cause.
I now wonder what it will feel like being tobacco free since I have spent more years dipping then I have spent not dipping.
Writing this and going through withdrawals I even notice that I am annoyed at the small things, why is my spit not brown!
Honestly I do not think I would make it to the end of day 3 if I had not found this website, therefore my promise is to make it to bedtime every night without tobacco. My promise is to win everyday.
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Hope this is where I am suppose to post my promise-
For 18 years I have dipped, since I was 16! I remember being told to not start a habit that I could not quit. Most days I feel that this is true. However 63 hours ago I decided that if I was going to die of something tobacco was not going to be the cause.
I now wonder what it will feel like being tobacco free since I have spent more years dipping then I have spent not dipping.
Writing this and going through withdrawals I even notice that I am annoyed at the small things, why is my spit not brown!
Honestly I do not think I would make it to the end of day 3 if I had not found this website, therefore my promise is to make it to bedtime every night without tobacco. My promise is to win everyday.
Pr0123, great work! You quit group is here topic/30424041/1/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/1/)
That is where you post your daily promise.
I was the exact same chewed for basically 18 years, I am over 3 years quit now. There are going to be a lot of first without a chew in the first year, picking up dog poop, mowing the lawn, fishing, hunting, driving, etc.
Make it one day, post and repeat, you nailed it.
ID SPuds
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I have chewed cope for the past 30 years 1 can every other day. I quit last night so I have gone 24 hours. Weird, I really didn't have a terrible day. Definitely some cravings but so far it wasn't unbearable. my wife is moving out on Feb 1st and I said it can't get any worse than this. IF I come out of this at least I will be nicotine free.
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I have chewed cope for the past 30 years 1 can every other day. I quit last night so I have gone 24 hours. Weird, I really didn't have a terrible day. Definitely some cravings but so far it wasn't unbearable. my wife is moving out on Feb 1st and I said it can't get any worse than this. IF I come out of this at least I will be nicotine free.
Welcome!
Glad you've decided to quit with us!
Here is a link to your group: April 2018 Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30424041/344/#new)!
Oh and Bear, I see you down there, same goes for you - and nice job on 17 days on your own! That's badass.
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Hello quitters — 13 year Kodiak dipper, just a lip or two or three a day but enough to get hooked. This is my second time and final time quitting this stuff, fighting to get a normal life and routine. Don’t want to be a dad that dips.
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Has the chat been disabled? I can't seem to join it.
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Hello quitters — 13 year Kodiak dipper, just a lip or two or three a day but enough to get hooked. This is my second time and final time quitting this stuff, fighting to get a normal life and routine. Don’t want to be a dad that dips.
Here is a link to your group: April 2018 Quit Group!
You post roll each morning. Great to quit with you brother!
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Has the chat been disabled? I can't seem to join it.
It has not. There are several ways to get there. http://chat.killthecan.org/ (http://chat.killthecan.org/)
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Has the chat been disabled? I can't seem to join it.
It has not. There are several ways to get there. http://chat.killthecan.org/ (http://chat.killthecan.org/)
Thank you.
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One thing more than anything that this site has helped with so far is that little man in my head (Mr. Quitlater) that keeps justifying why I need to go to the store for a can of cope. During my first couple of weeks I would find myself having mental conversations where I was trying to justify why I should go grab a can. Now anytime Mr. Quitlater shows up, I just jump on and read through various posts and it shuts him up. I find it intriguing how the human mind works when it comes to addiction and it's great that I can see that I'm not alone in what I've faced through my quit thus far. I've actually read posts that were so similar to me and my relations to the nicotine demon that I've had to scroll up to make sure I didn't post it.
So to those out there fighting these same issues, know that you are not unique or alone in this and it does get better. Find a way to silence Mr. Quitlater because no matter how logical he seems in his reasoning, he's not a good guy and he's not your friend.
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
A lot...like 15+ pounds
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I posted a new topic in the suggestion board the other day and it said it first needed to be reviewed. Do I hear back on my suggestion at some point either way?
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AAAARRRGGGG!!!!
F'ing sunflower seed was moldy on the inside. That was nasty. Oooo, that looks like a good seed.
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
I have been eating a lot more too. I gained like 3 pounds in the first 4 days. I have started choosing healthier options to have available for snacking instead of the 3 lb bag of peanut MM's.
Going to the Gym actually helps to suppress hunger and keeps your mind focused on something other than what your mouth and gums want.
Keep up the good fight and PTBQWYT (Proud to be Quit with You Today)
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I'm glad I found this site. I'm done with this crap. I've been dipping for 36 years... What a waste! I've quit before several times ranging from 5 days to a year, but have caved usually because I think I could control it or just wussed out. No more! Just took my first Zyban today. I've used before with good success in stopping the cravings. Quit date set for next Wed 1/31... maybe sooner if Zyban kicks in really good this weekend.
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Woo Hoo!!!
I just won a free tin of Chattahoochee herbal snuff (No Nicotine/No Tobacco) on FaceBook. New Whiskey flavor.
I'll let y'all know how it tastes when I get it.
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Woo Hoo!!!
I just won a free tin of Chattahoochee herbal snuff (No Nicotine/No Tobacco) on FaceBook. New Whiskey flavor.
I'll let y'all know how it tastes when I get it.
I just ordered a can along with the classic to help with the oral fixation. Here's hoping it has a good flavor 'cause it sure does take the mind off of the real thing.
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Good morning you bunch of quitters!!!! Oh your just here to lurk and thinking about it? Quit thinking and do it! I'll quit with you EDD!!!!! Come on in and have a taste of the Kool-aid. Today's flavor is QLAMF!!!!
'oh yeah'
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I'm glad I found this site. I'm done with this crap. I've been dipping for 36 years... What a waste! I've quit before several times ranging from 5 days to a year, but have caved usually because I think I could control it or just wussed out. No more! Just took my first Zyban today. I've used before with good success in stopping the cravings. Quit date set for next Wed 1/31... maybe sooner if Zyban kicks in really good this weekend.
Welcome and congratulations on your decision to quit. A couple housekeeping items:
1. This is your first and last quit, all the others were little breaks.
2. don't wait, quit today cold turkey you will have 7 days by the 31st, all the nicotine will be out of your system and the worst will be over
3. this is your quit group: topic/30471996/38/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30471996/38/) post your promise each day
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Glad to be quit with you today!
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
So much, sooo much fatness. Last time I quit I put on nearly every pound I lost for my wedding (roughly 80 lbs)
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
So much, sooo much fatness. Last time I quit I put on nearly every pound I lost for my wedding (roughly 80 lbs)
Your getting your taste buds back man! I'm a skinny dude and gained 20 pounds. After about 200 days or so i figured it out, the hand to mouth obsession ceased for me, so did the klondike bars and chocolate cookies with every meal, even breakfast.. it came off
Dont sweat it now. Keep nailing water and try exercising as much as you can. You cant take on too many things a once, quitting tobacco is friggin hard. You can worry about the wait when you become more stable
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What's up KTC. this site has been amazing to me and inspired me to pitch in with helping others to quit. I feel like I have decent skills in front of a camera and the ability to motivate and inspire.
I've started a Facebook group called OgQuitters of Tobacco. And I'm releasing motivational content for family and friends who use tobacco or are trying to quit. I've made a few videos and also been shouting out KTC in them as this site has done so much for me. I want people to know about KTC, and inspire people to quit, while providing my own commentary on what it's like to quit.
If anyone wants to add me on Facebook to see my content, you can find me as Spencer McDuffy.
Add me as a friend, join my group if you want, and let's keep this quit train rolling.
- Quest Aka Spencer McDuffy
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Quick question and be honest here, how much weight did people gain in the first months of their quit? Im eating everything!
So much, sooo much fatness. Last time I quit I put on nearly every pound I lost for my wedding (roughly 80 lbs)
Your getting your taste buds back man! I'm a skinny dude and gained 20 pounds. After about 200 days or so i figured it out, the hand to mouth obsession ceased for me, so did the klondike bars and chocolate cookies with every meal, even breakfast.. it came off
Dont sweat it now. Keep nailing water and try exercising as much as you can. You cant take on too many things a once, quitting tobacco is friggin hard. You can worry about the wait when you become more stable
Maybe 10 lbs. I didn't snack as much as rely on fake dip and a lot of seeds. I agree though, nail this first and then circle back on the weight. No one died for being 10-15 lbs. heavier.
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new here, 1st post, dont know if this is the right spot for my question.
I quit 60+ days ago. things actually went pretty good in the beginning. i have had a headache for 3 weeks plus now. I have other aches and pains and heartburn. heartburn to an extreme level all day. I am not in danger of starting up again but I felt soooo much better when I chewed. my attitude has hit an all-time low and I even broke up with my girlfriend. Any feedback would be great. has anyone else had this happen after everything went so well to start. I will add that I have been around nicotine my entire life. 50+ years old.
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new here, 1st post, dont know if this is the right spot for my question.
I quit 60+ days ago. things actually went pretty good in the beginning. i have had a headache for 3 weeks plus now. I have other aches and pains and heartburn. heartburn to an extreme level all day. I am not in danger of starting up again but I felt soooo much better when I chewed. my attitude has hit an all-time low and I even broke up with my girlfriend. Any feedback would be great. has anyone else had this happen after everything went so well to start. I will add that I have been around nicotine my entire life. 50+ years old.
I was a heartburn guy too.... I felt like complete dogshit when I quit. I know it won't help much right now but trust me when I say, it gets better.
Give this a read... may give you some insight into what you're dealing with, or at least let you know you're not alone in what you're experiencing: https://www.killthecan.org/heartburn-when-quitting-dip/ (https://www.killthecan.org/heartburn-when-quitting-dip/)
Chewie
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Hey guys,
I won 2 cans of Chatahoochie herbal snuff (fake dip...no nicotine, no tobacco) They are whiskey flavored pouches. I really have no need for them so thought if anyone wanted one or both cans, you could PM your address to me and I would mail them to you. I opened one can to smell but have not touched the product. The other can is unopened.
Quit with you all Today,
Chris
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new here, 1st post, dont know if this is the right spot for my question.
I quit 60+ days ago. things actually went pretty good in the beginning. i have had a headache for 3 weeks plus now. I have other aches and pains and heartburn. heartburn to an extreme level all day. I am not in danger of starting up again but I felt soooo much better when I chewed. my attitude has hit an all-time low and I even broke up with my girlfriend. Any feedback would be great. has anyone else had this happen after everything went so well to start. I will add that I have been around nicotine my entire life. 50+ years old.
I was a heartburn guy too.... I felt like complete dogshit when I quit. I know it won't help much right now but trust me when I say, it gets better.
Give this a read... may give you some insight into what you're dealing with, or at least let you know you're not alone in what you're experiencing: https://www.killthecan.org/heartburn-when-quitting-dip/ (https://www.killthecan.org/heartburn-when-quitting-dip/)
Chewie
60+ days may seem like a lot. It may seem that you should magically feel much better. I used nicotine most of my life and didn't quit until I was 49 years old. 35 plus years of nicotine use. I'm almost to 900 days now and I still feel like nicotine has its fangs in me. Stay on the path and it does get better, one day at a time.
My advice is to find your quit group and start posting roll every damn day. Quitting with a team gives you a better shot at beating nicotine for good than quitting by yourself.
I quit with you today. Stranger999 day 882
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Had to get outside. She's driving me crazy. With the nicotine, any excuse will do and I've allowed her to be that excuse so many times in the past. Not today. Something inherently masculine about splitting wood with a wedge and a sledge. I could feel the blood of my Spartan ancestors coursing through my veins. No way the Spartan warrior was a slave to lusts of the flesh. The core of their ethos was mastery of self. Normally, I would have had a great big fatty in there while I went about the task. Went for a stick of cinnamon instead. Took the edge off of things for a bit. Been pondering the addiction thing lately. It's a lot bigger than I realized. I now know why previous quits have failed. In the past, it was just a can that I put down for a bit and took back up again; something I viewed rather myopically. The broader view and broader implications have become starkly clear since I joined KTC. It was always just a bad habit, like biting your nails or picking you nose; not an addiction. I've had to get honest and admit that - I'm a nicotine addict. Read somewhere on here that it doesn't define me (wise words) but does affect my decisions and behaviors. I'm liking the roll call and the commitment every morning, first thing. Liking the veterans who have stuck around and reach out periodically and open to requests for help. Hope to be there for another brother some day. Kind of therapeutic to sit down and write all this out. Hope you all don't mind the rambling. Was feeling a trigger earlier and posted, got some support and feedback and I'm still quit. Glad to be here.
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
Great job on the quitting Athan. Great post.
Your right, this quitting thing is not easy. I still have dip dreams. So real it seems i need to get up and star at day 1 again. That was a yuuuuge point for me, admitting i was an addict, will be forever and accepting it.
I do, as I'm sure many vets do, a whole lot of thinking on the 'addiction' thing. In the early days, when I would see dip or smell it, i would want one. Even seeing a stogie, which i used to enjoy occasionally, i wanted one.
Now, no way. The stench of chew is maddening. Disgusting. I will have to admit tho, i do crave a stogie every now and again, - golfing, sitting around the firepit... but as you said " I'm an addict".
I'm an addict and cant have 'nice things'. Like a cigar for example. My addictive personality would take over, and lead to other things. In this case, past performance IS indicative of future results. Ive seen me ruin a quit before, Ive seen me cave.... and its imply not going to happen.
Since I joined this place 906 days ago, I've built a wall of quit brick by brick, day by day, digits by digits i have in my phone, its getting higher every day. The bricks are my days quit, the mortar is my KTC family. These are useless alone, but put them together and its solid.
Look forward to hearing more about your quit, PM me anytime, if you need digits I'd be happy to share. Giving back it the friggin KEY to this place man. JB
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I quit yesterday after 20 years. My will-power is on board, but every few minutes my mind reminds me it is time to put in a dip. I say no, not this time.
The resources on this page https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wh ... t-dipping/ (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/) are amazing and dead on. Knowing others know what I'm going through and what to expect, I think, this time, I'm going to be able to killthecan.
Thank you
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I just started quitting earlier today and I already want to get a buzz on. It making have an "itch" and I don't like it. What should I get? Chewing gum? I was thinking sunflower seeds since its kinda of simulates it. 'bang head'
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I just started quitting earlier today and I already want to get a buzz on. It making have an "itch" and I don't like it. What should I get? Chewing gum? I was thinking sunflower seeds since its kinda of simulates it. 'bang head'
I've been using cinnamon sticks. An old guy that I worked with years ago said that's how he quit smoking so I tried it. It helps with the oral fixation. The KTC community is where it's at though.
Post roll every day, first thing and just do that. You can always call a brother and talk (would highly recommend this for the first week). You just gotta make it through today, that's it.
Matt 6:34
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I just started quitting earlier today and I already want to get a buzz on. It making have an "itch" and I don't like it. What should I get? Chewing gum? I was thinking sunflower seeds since its kinda of simulates it. 'bang head'
I've been using cinnamon sticks. An old guy that I worked with years ago said that's how he quit smoking so I tried it. It helps with the oral fixation. The KTC community is where it's at though.
Post roll every day, first thing and just do that. You can always call a brother and talk (would highly recommend this for the first week). You just gotta make it through today, that's it.
Matt 6:34
There's a ton of great fake dips out there that have no nicotine and no tobacco if you're looking for something to "scratch that itch".
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sm ... ernatives/ (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/smokeless-alternatives/)
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
Dude,
I had the same dream two nights ago. I woke up thinking, "WTF have I done. I broke my promise." Then I realized it was a dream but I still felt like shit.
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Hi guys itÂ’s been 31 days since my last dip, I quit cold turkey (this is hard) I gone to 2 dentist appointments they all say tissue and gums look great and gone to 3 doctor appointments they say im good, but i keep thinking I have cancer of the mouth, every night I look in the mirror with a flash light and see something new or feel something new, IÂ’m going crazy, and to make things worst I keep reading things online that are negative, like you will get oral cancer because you dipped. Is this common or am I just crazy? I use to be so energetic and now im just off. I have 2 young kids and wife that I love and I feel like an asshole for dipping this long (10 years). I donÂ’t know what to do and im only 33 years old. This is hard but I wont go back
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Hi guys itÂ’s been 31 days since my last dip, I quit cold turkey (this is hard) I gone to 2 dentist appointments they all say tissue and gums look great and gone to 3 doctor appointments they say im good, but i keep thinking I have cancer of the mouth, every night I look in the mirror with a flash light and see something new or feel something new, IÂ’m going crazy, and to make things worst I keep reading things online that are negative, like you will get oral cancer because you dipped. Is this common or am I just crazy? I use to be so energetic and now im just off. I have 2 young kids and wife that I love and I feel like an asshole for dipping this long (10 years). I donÂ’t know what to do and im only 33 years old. This is hard but I wont go back
Hey brother, good you're posting here but I don't recall seeing you in one of the quit groups. You can roll solo if you want but it sure is better with a wingman (or two, or 12, or 49). You commit to the group, they commit to you. As iron sharpens iron so the saying goes...
I'm with you on the cancer concerns. It IS an uneasy feeling and steals your peace. Quitting is in your favor though; you certainly can't help the situation with another chew.
Aside from the quit groups (by far the most valuable resource) there's a lot of information on the site and I encourage you to poke around and make yourself familiar with it.
Join a group and start posting roll - TODAY
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Hi guys itÂ’s been 31 days since my last dip, I quit cold turkey (this is hard) I gone to 2 dentist appointments they all say tissue and gums look great and gone to 3 doctor appointments they say im good, but i keep thinking I have cancer of the mouth, every night I look in the mirror with a flash light and see something new or feel something new, IÂ’m going crazy, and to make things worst I keep reading things online that are negative, like you will get oral cancer because you dipped. Is this common or am I just crazy? I use to be so energetic and now im just off. I have 2 young kids and wife that I love and I feel like an asshole for dipping this long (10 years). I donÂ’t know what to do and im only 33 years old. This is hard but I wont go back
Hey brother, good you're posting here but I don't recall seeing you in one of the quit groups. You can roll solo if you want but it sure is better with a wingman (or two, or 12, or 49). You commit to the group, they commit to you. As iron sharpens iron so the saying goes...
I'm with you on the cancer concerns. It IS an uneasy feeling and steals your peace. Quitting is in your favor though; you certainly can't help the situation with another chew.
Aside from the quit groups (by far the most valuable resource) there's a lot of information on the site and I encourage you to poke around and make yourself familiar with it.
Join a group and start posting roll - TODAY
Hello EOEO, I just wanted to say that you are not alone. I dipped for 40 straight years and happy to say 24 day without. I have, and now feel everything your talking about. And it is this site that is getting me through it. Just knowing your not alone. We all seem to have the same stories. You have to talk to someone that is in your shoes. No one else could possible understand what your dealing with. I had a really bad day on #21 for me . The wife wanted me to describe how I was feeling and when I finished she didn't get it. Although she wanted to she has no addictions. She can't understand what it is like. Stick to the site, MAKE ROLL every morning that really helps. And stand strong. Just remember you are not alone.
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Some say TGIF. But Fridays are the some of the hardest for me. The routine was a case of beer on the way home and two cans (I deluded myself that I only chewed two cans a week - I would buy at least one more before the next Friday)
Then there's Tuesdays, the relief of making it through another Monday calls out for a dip.
Thursdays usually saw me grab a case of beer if I had one of those rare Fridays off as the weekend started early, or maybe I was just out of beer. And hey, while I'm there, I might as well grab a can or two to go; wouldn't want to be inefficient with gas at $2+/gallon
Wednesdays weren't too bad but nothing like a fatty to settle in after dinner at church (course I had to hide it there, gotta gut it cause you can't spit and I'm sure no one noticed the bulge in my lip)
Saturdays and Sundays were always balls out weekend chew like there's no tomorrow and I usually went through both of Friday's cans. My lip was so raw and painful the love hate relationship was renewed in full every Sunday evening as I put that last painful wad in place even though I didn't enjoy it.
So Monday found me hating the weed and usually making it several hours before I succumbed to it's sweet lies, "hey this'll make you feel better".
Of course, all of that's by the wayside now. History, water under the bridge, yesterdays news, flushed away, etc.
Now I'm quit, quit with all of you!
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Hi guys itÂ’s been 31 days since my last dip, I quit cold turkey (this is hard) I gone to 2 dentist appointments they all say tissue and gums look great and gone to 3 doctor appointments they say im good, but i keep thinking I have cancer of the mouth, every night I look in the mirror with a flash light and see something new or feel something new, IÂ’m going crazy, and to make things worst I keep reading things online that are negative, like you will get oral cancer because you dipped. Is this common or am I just crazy? I use to be so energetic and now im just off. I have 2 young kids and wife that I love and I feel like an asshole for dipping this long (10 years). I donÂ’t know what to do and im only 33 years old. This is hard but I wont go back
Stay strong there for you ain't alone. I think you are just worried. If 3 doctors already checked you out, then there's nothing to worry. If you are still unsure, try to get a 4th opinion.
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Just above the kitchen sink, on your left as you look up is one of those little shelves for knick-knacks. On it sits this little wooden box containing recipes with a picture of my little Rachel when she was in the 4th grade. Just behind the box, out of plain view was where it sat. The can. I needed a convenient, readily accessible spot and thatÂ’s where I put it. It wasnÂ’t hidden by any stretch of the imagination; my wife and my three girls all knew it was there. I couldnÂ’t have it just sitting out on a coffee table or my desk. Leaving it in the truck was too inconvenient. No, I needed it close by but not obvious. I suppose out of respect or love for me the children didnÂ’t ask about it or mention it. I would go outside or into the laundry room to put one in; shame forbade being blatant and open about it. I never spit so there was no spitter to be ashamed of but there was no hiding the big fat bulge in my lip; the addiction prohibited acknowledging something so obvious as that. Oh it was hidden in plain view as they say.
As I was cooking up the sausage this morning (right after posting roll), my glance fell on that empty spot behind that little box on the shelf over the sink. It gave me a quiet pleasure that it was empty; a solemn pride in spite of a small craving to have beaten it. Today. I hope thereÂ’s little reminders such as that from time to time to let me know that life without it is so much more valuable than life with it.
Think about that for a bit. Where was your can parked? Look at that empty spot and commend yourself - you donÂ’t have to lie about an empty spot or pretend itÂ’s not there; it can and should be acknowledged.
I quit with you today!
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Just above the kitchen sink, on your left as you look up is one of those little shelves for knick-knacks. On it sits this little wooden box containing recipes with a picture of my little Rachel when she was in the 4th grade. Just behind the box, out of plain view was where it sat. The can. I needed a convenient, readily accessible spot and thatÂ’s where I put it. It wasnÂ’t hidden by any stretch of the imagination; my wife and my three girls all knew it was there. I couldnÂ’t have it just sitting out on a coffee table or my desk. Leaving it in the truck was too inconvenient. No, I needed it close by but not obvious. I suppose out of respect or love for me the children didnÂ’t ask about it or mention it. I would go outside or into the laundry room to put one in; shame forbade being blatant and open about it. I never spit so there was no spitter to be ashamed of but there was no hiding the big fat bulge in my lip; the addiction prohibited acknowledging something so obvious as that. Oh it was hidden in plain view as they say.
As I was cooking up the sausage this morning (right after posting roll), my glance fell on that empty spot behind that little box on the shelf over the sink. It gave me a quiet pleasure that it was empty; a solemn pride in spite of a small craving to have beaten it. Today. I hope thereÂ’s little reminders such as that from time to time to let me know that life without it is so much more valuable than life with it.
Think about that for a bit. Where was your can parked? Look at that empty spot and commend yourself - you donÂ’t have to lie about an empty spot or pretend itÂ’s not there; it can and should be acknowledged.
I quit with you today!
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It is amazing what becomes normal and everyday. But looking back on it now it just seems crazy and selfish. I would have my good friend buy all of my chew in his state just so I wouldn't pay the prices in mine. Then mail it to me. And he is a none tobacco user. This amazes me now that I would ask him to do that. What you wrote is spot on. If I put the same amount of effort into my businesses that I did in chewing I would have retired years ago. Thanks for what you wrote today it really made me think.
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Just above the kitchen sink, on your left as you look up is one of those little shelves for knick-knacks. On it sits this little wooden box containing recipes with a picture of my little Rachel when she was in the 4th grade. Just behind the box, out of plain view was where it sat. The can. I needed a convenient, readily accessible spot and thatÂ’s where I put it. It wasnÂ’t hidden by any stretch of the imagination; my wife and my three girls all knew it was there. I couldnÂ’t have it just sitting out on a coffee table or my desk. Leaving it in the truck was too inconvenient. No, I needed it close by but not obvious. I suppose out of respect or love for me the children didnÂ’t ask about it or mention it. I would go outside or into the laundry room to put one in; shame forbade being blatant and open about it. I never spit so there was no spitter to be ashamed of but there was no hiding the big fat bulge in my lip; the addiction prohibited acknowledging something so obvious as that. Oh it was hidden in plain view as they say.
As I was cooking up the sausage this morning (right after posting roll), my glance fell on that empty spot behind that little box on the shelf over the sink. It gave me a quiet pleasure that it was empty; a solemn pride in spite of a small craving to have beaten it. Today. I hope thereÂ’s little reminders such as that from time to time to let me know that life without it is so much more valuable than life with it.
Think about that for a bit. Where was your can parked? Look at that empty spot and commend yourself - you donÂ’t have to lie about an empty spot or pretend itÂ’s not there; it can and should be acknowledged.
I quit with you today!
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It is amazing what becomes normal and everyday. But looking back on it now it just seems crazy and selfish. I would have my good friend buy all of my chew in his state just so I wouldn't pay the prices in mine. Then mail it to me. And he is a none tobacco user. This amazes me now that I would ask him to do that. What you wrote is spot on. If I put the same amount of effort into my businesses that I did in chewing I would have retired years ago. Thanks for what you wrote today it really made me think.
Winning!!
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Just above the kitchen sink, on your left as you look up is one of those little shelves for knick-knacks. On it sits this little wooden box containing recipes with a picture of my little Rachel when she was in the 4th grade. Just behind the box, out of plain view was where it sat. The can. I needed a convenient, readily accessible spot and thatÂ’s where I put it. It wasnÂ’t hidden by any stretch of the imagination; my wife and my three girls all knew it was there. I couldnÂ’t have it just sitting out on a coffee table or my desk. Leaving it in the truck was too inconvenient. No, I needed it close by but not obvious. I suppose out of respect or love for me the children didnÂ’t ask about it or mention it. I would go outside or into the laundry room to put one in; shame forbade being blatant and open about it. I never spit so there was no spitter to be ashamed of but there was no hiding the big fat bulge in my lip; the addiction prohibited acknowledging something so obvious as that. Oh it was hidden in plain view as they say.
As I was cooking up the sausage this morning (right after posting roll), my glance fell on that empty spot behind that little box on the shelf over the sink. It gave me a quiet pleasure that it was empty; a solemn pride in spite of a small craving to have beaten it. Today. I hope thereÂ’s little reminders such as that from time to time to let me know that life without it is so much more valuable than life with it.
Think about that for a bit. Where was your can parked? Look at that empty spot and commend yourself - you donÂ’t have to lie about an empty spot or pretend itÂ’s not there; it can and should be acknowledged.
I quit with you today!
http://b3.ifrm.com/static/emo/7.png (http://b3.ifrm.com/static/emo/7.png)
It is amazing what becomes normal and everyday. But looking back on it now it just seems crazy and selfish. I would have my good friend buy all of my chew in his state just so I wouldn't pay the prices in mine. Then mail it to me. And he is a none tobacco user. This amazes me now that I would ask him to do that. What you wrote is spot on. If I put the same amount of effort into my businesses that I did in chewing I would have retired years ago. Thanks for what you wrote today it really made me think.
Winning!!
God I was always loud and proud with mine. One always in my back pocket. Hey it was cool in HS to have a skoal ring in your jeans so why not keep that up. So my spot is always evident to me. I still feel weird when I sit down and dont feel it. Almost like I'm lopsided now. But the other spot, freezer door. Its kind of nice to have that space open, used to have a minimum of 2 sometimes up to 6 logs in there. There was no shame in my household. Well..not then at least, now there is when I think about all the times my wife had to clean up all my spitters. How many times my niece went and grabbed me a can from the freezer...How I would have my employees literally run to the Liquor store and grab me a can because I didn't realize I was down to one dip left in the one in my pocket
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....then there was the time we pulled into Halifax Nova Scotia. I was prolly 2 days into quit #4,173 when I chose to cave. Problem was, I was in the boonies in Canada. Wouldn'tcha know those good people of the U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Co saw to it that a hole in the wall convenience store way up yonder would have the cure to what ailed me for the low low price of just $11.95. And that was back in '93. And I was happy to pay it. Thought myself a fortunate son.
What I wouldn't give to have all the $$$$ back. I'd have me a huge 4x4 with double whip antenae....
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
So you four days into it now yes? OUTSTANDING! You are now part of a group bent on self determination, who have recognized they have choices in their lives with consequences far beyond self.
Like the butterfly effect, what you do today really does echo in eternity.
Proud to be quit with you today!
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
So you four days into it now yes? OUTSTANDING! You are now part of a group bent on self determination, who have recognized they have choices in their lives with consequences far beyond self.
Like the butterfly effect, what you do today really does echo in eternity.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Thanks! Starting off strong today with Day 5!!!
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
So you four days into it now yes? OUTSTANDING! You are now part of a group bent on self determination, who have recognized they have choices in their lives with consequences far beyond self.
Like the butterfly effect, what you do today really does echo in eternity.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Thanks! Starting off strong today with Day 5!!!
Good deal FF! Welcome. Make sure you flush out and flush all those emergency cans. 5 days is awesome. I will be thinking about you today. we are here for you - 29,000 strong
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
So you four days into it now yes? OUTSTANDING! You are now part of a group bent on self determination, who have recognized they have choices in their lives with consequences far beyond self.
Like the butterfly effect, what you do today really does echo in eternity.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Thanks! Starting off strong today with Day 5!!!
Good deal FF! Welcome. Make sure you flush out and flush all those emergency cans. 5 days is awesome. I will be thinking about you today. we are here for you - 29,000 strong
I fergot to axe you, are you posting roll in a group yet? I cannot overstate how important that is to success, statistically and your own.
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New to the website. Where do we post roll at? First day quitting and itÂ’s absolute hell
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For me, I always had a can in my back left pocket not that it was hidden there by any stretch of the imagination but it was almost turning into a “security blanket” for me and now feels so odd without it. However for “emergencies” I always kept a can in my bottom left desk drawer at home, and at work I kept a spare in my locker semi hidden from plain sight if I happened to leave it open by accident.
So you four days into it now yes? OUTSTANDING! You are now part of a group bent on self determination, who have recognized they have choices in their lives with consequences far beyond self.
Like the butterfly effect, what you do today really does echo in eternity.
Proud to be quit with you today!
Thanks! Starting off strong today with Day 5!!!
Good deal FF! Welcome. Make sure you flush out and flush all those emergency cans. 5 days is awesome. I will be thinking about you today. we are here for you - 29,000 strong
I fergot to axe you, are you posting roll in a group yet? I cannot overstate how important that is to success, statistically and your own.
Yup, May 2018 group
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New to the website. Where do we post roll at? First day quitting and itÂ’s absolute hell
Welcome! If you just Quit, your group can be found here: topic/30471996/233/#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30471996/233/#new)
Instructions on how to post can be found near the top of that page. It might be confusing, but don't worry about screwing it up - just get your name and promise up there and your group will help get the format straightened out.
That's also a great place to introduce yourself and start digging in to the community. Everyone in that group will be in a similar range of quit dates, so will know exactly what you're going through. Welcome again and I wish you success!
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New to the website. Where do we post roll at? First day quitting and itÂ’s absolute hell
been lookin for ya in May 18.
You can stand out in the cold bro but it's much warmer by the fire where all the quitters stand and post roll together.
Either way, I hope your decision is to quit, all the way, no turning back.
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Why quit (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html)
This is a good read for anyone thinking about quitting but have not yet committed to it.
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Why quit (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html)
This is a good read for anyone thinking about quitting but have not yet committed to it.
It is a very good read!
As IÂ’ve said before, I wish that I could go back 12 years and slap the piss out of the younger me for even trying dip!
What confuses me is “why?”
Why do we put something that we know is bad for us in our system?
I remember by first dip, got the spins and threw up... why did I try it again when obviously my body is telling me itÂ’s bad?
Why did I keep justifying paying more and more money for it?
Why did it take me so long to quit?
Obviously IÂ’m not looking for answers to these questions, mostly just the ramblings of a tired and kinda hungry me lol
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I've thought it so many times, why oh why did I ever put that second dip in?
Can't change it now. I can change TODAY.
TODAY, I don't chew.
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Why quit (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html)
This is a good read for anyone thinking about quitting but have not yet committed to it.
I know I always get, and will probably always get that terror every time anything seems amiss in my mouth. "Has that bump always been there?" "Why is there a sore in my cheek?" "Is this the one that'll disfigure me for the rest of my life?" Every trip to the dentist I get that 20$ screening. Nothing more terrifying while they are doing it, shouldn't have to worry about screening for cancer at 27. But once they are done and tell me I'm clear that relief is like nothing else.
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Statistically speaking, the odds are in your favor when playing Russian roulette (statistical analyses assumes a revolver is used)
Statistics don't count for squat if it's you that craps out, gets cancer and screws your whole famdamly.
Yeah, that's right, you're shooting more than just yourself; everyone in your circle of influence is adversely affected.
It's not just cancer either, there are a whole host of other negative health effects from nicotine.
go ahead, pull the trigger.
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poof
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...in the mouth of the northern pike...
damn that's funny!
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(from the wikipedia) "U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Company (formerly United States Tobacco Company) manufactures smokeless tobacco products,...
Copenhagen and Skoal are the company's leading brands, and each represents more than $1 billion per year in retail sales."
Well they've gotten their last dollar from me.
How bout you?
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(from the wikipedia) "U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Company (formerly United States Tobacco Company) manufactures smokeless tobacco products,...
Copenhagen and Skoal are the company's leading brands, and each represents more than $1 billion per year in retail sales."
Well they've gotten their last dollar from me.
How bout you?
hell yes! no more from me either... and THAT's a good place to be.
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Say, Didja hear the one about the guy who put his quit off until it was too late?
He died of esophageal cancer. But not before he put his family through hell, depleted his finances on medical bills, and left them destitute.
Yeah, it's a real knee slapper.
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Say, Didja hear the one about the guy who put his quit off until it was too late?
He died of esophageal cancer. But not before he put his family through hell, depleted his finances on medical bills, and left them destitute.
Yeah, it's a real knee slapper.
ahh yes... the dreaded tomorrow quitter. sometimes, tomorrow doesn't come.
https://www.killthecan.org/facts-figure ... for-ricky/ (https://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/i-will-quit-tomorrow-epilog-for-ricky/)
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man im on day 4 which seems like the worst should be over but im definitely strugglin.....did you guys ever feel sick like cold sick when you first quit? i got a sore throat and shit
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man im on day 4 which seems like the worst should be over but im definitely strugglin.....did you guys ever feel sick like cold sick when you first quit? i got a sore throat and shit
100% normal. Believe it or not, you're right on track.
Here's a remarkably accurate timeline for your first 100 days. https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wh ... t-dipping/ (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)
Stick with it man!
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man im on day 4 which seems like the worst should be over but im definitely strugglin.....did you guys ever feel sick like cold sick when you first quit? i got a sore throat and shit
Glad you're here brother, proud to be quit with you.
I thought I had the flu the first week!
The great news is you don't have to do it alone. Me and a couple hunert bad ass totally committed quitters are standing strong with you.
Have you joined a group and started posting roll yet?
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thanks guys.....yeah ive been post rolling. Right now just sucks but hopefully it'll get better soon.
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thanks guys.....yeah ive been post rolling. Right now just sucks but hopefully it'll get better soon.
Welcome to the suck. Embrace it because itÂ’s the last time youÂ’ll ever go through it again!!! IÂ’m quit with you every damn day! What group are you in?
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I'm working the concession stand at the high school basketball playoff. Cranking out french fries like a jedi master with a buddy. He happens to be an x-ray tech. I'm tellin' him about KTC and what it did (does) for me.
He starts telling me about a guy that he shot images for who was getting his face carved up because the nic bitch loved him so.
So I says to him I says, "how long ago was this?" "oh about six months ago" he replies. and he's still chew'n (my buddy, not the dude what got his face carved up)
So I'm looking at him incredulously, like, really, are you serious? You haven't quit yet? Walk out back with me and that 2x4?
And then he starts going on about the respiratory therapists who smoke!, you won't believe the shit they deal with, cleaning out trach tubes and whatnot.
So here's live testimony of the incredible power of the nic bitch and the horror and carnage it inflicts and you're still on the fence about whether or not you want to quit? Or maybe you're contemplating the John Wayne I'll do this on my own...
Well, when your testicles drop and you're ready, you just come on in and we'll do it together; together we are so much stronger than the bitch.
I'm waiting....
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What day is today?
Is today the day you put it down?
Is today the day you feel obligated, nay compelled, to break the chains of your subservience and stand defiantly against it?
Is today your independence day?
I hope so, so does your family and those that truly love you.
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I'm working the concession stand at the high school basketball playoff. Cranking out french fries like a jedi master with a buddy. He happens to be an x-ray tech. I'm tellin' him about KTC and what it did (does) for me.
He starts telling me about a guy that he shot images for who was getting his face carved up because the nic bitch loved him so.
So I says to him I says, "how long ago was this?" "oh about six months ago" he replies. and he's still chew'n (my buddy, not the dude what got his face carved up)
So I'm looking at him incredulously, like, really, are you serious? You haven't quit yet? Walk out back with me and that 2x4?
And then he starts going on about the respiratory therapists who smoke!, you won't believe the shit they deal with, cleaning out trach tubes and whatnot.
So here's live testimony of the incredible power of the nic bitch and the horror and carnage it inflicts and you're still on the fence about whether or not you want to quit? Or maybe you're contemplating the John Wayne I'll do this on my own...
Well, when your testicles drop and you're ready, you just come on in and we'll do it together; together we are so much stronger than the bitch.
I'm waiting....
Great post - thanks for sharing
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She lies to you, ya know. Just put another dip in and it'll all be fine. But the truth is, she is insatiable. You can NEVER fill that hole, no matter how much minced weed you pack into your face you'll always crave one more.
Unless you kill it. It has to be starved to death, not appeased. Only in it's death is there victory.
I used cinnamon sticks for the first couple of weeks to overcome the oral fixation. I rolled into work this morning and man, I forgot to replace my stack of sticks. But that's OK. I don't have to have them.
But you, you know where that can is right now. Not only that but you know how much is left in it. Prolly got a spare out in the truck or the drawer of your desk.
Not me. I'm free. 50 days free today.
Funny thing is, it could be you celebrating 50 days. Ain't nothing like freedom!
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I'm working the concession stand at the high school basketball playoff. Cranking out french fries like a jedi master with a buddy. He happens to be an x-ray tech. I'm tellin' him about KTC and what it did (does) for me.
He starts telling me about a guy that he shot images for who was getting his face carved up because the nic bitch loved him so.
So I says to him I says, "how long ago was this?" "oh about six months ago" he replies. and he's still chew'n (my buddy, not the dude what got his face carved up)
So I'm looking at him incredulously, like, really, are you serious? You haven't quit yet? Walk out back with me and that 2x4?
And then he starts going on about the respiratory therapists who smoke!, you won't believe the shit they deal with, cleaning out trach tubes and whatnot.
So here's live testimony of the incredible power of the nic bitch and the horror and carnage it inflicts and you're still on the fence about whether or not you want to quit? Or maybe you're contemplating the John Wayne I'll do this on my own...
Well, when your testicles drop and you're ready, you just come on in and we'll do it together; together we are so much stronger than the bitch.
I'm waiting....
Great post - thanks for sharing
Been following you ace in your group. You are an inspiration my man.
PTBQWYT (Proud To Be Quit With You Today)
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She lies to you, ya know. Just put another dip in and it'll all be fine. But the truth is, she is insatiable. You can NEVER fill that hole, no matter how much minced weed you pack into your face you'll always crave one more.
Unless you kill it. It has to be starved to death, not appeased. Only in it's death is there victory.
I used cinnamon sticks for the first couple of weeks to overcome the oral fixation. I rolled into work this morning and man, I forgot to replace my stack of sticks. But that's OK. I don't have to have them.
But you, you know where that can is right now. Not only that but you know how much is left in it. Prolly got a spare out in the truck or the drawer of your desk.
Not me. I'm free. 50 days free today.
Funny thing is, it could be you celebrating 50 days. Ain't nothing like freedom!
Bravo sir! 5-0 days is a HUGE accomplishment - keep it up!
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She lies to you, ya know. Just put another dip in and it'll all be fine. But the truth is, she is insatiable. You can NEVER fill that hole, no matter how much minced weed you pack into your face you'll always crave one more.
Unless you kill it. It has to be starved to death, not appeased. Only in it's death is there victory.
I used cinnamon sticks for the first couple of weeks to overcome the oral fixation. I rolled into work this morning and man, I forgot to replace my stack of sticks. But that's OK. I don't have to have them.
But you, you know where that can is right now. Not only that but you know how much is left in it. Prolly got a spare out in the truck or the drawer of your desk.
Not me. I'm free. 50 days free today.
Funny thing is, it could be you celebrating 50 days. Ain't nothing like freedom!
Bravo sir! 5-0 days is a HUGE accomplishment - keep it up!
Congrads. on your 50 Days. That is huge. Can't wait to get there my self. Proud to quit with you today.
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She lies to you, ya know. Just put another dip in and it'll all be fine. But the truth is, she is insatiable. You can NEVER fill that hole, no matter how much minced weed you pack into your face you'll always crave one more.
Unless you kill it. It has to be starved to death, not appeased. Only in it's death is there victory.
I used cinnamon sticks for the first couple of weeks to overcome the oral fixation. I rolled into work this morning and man, I forgot to replace my stack of sticks. But that's OK. I don't have to have them.
But you, you know where that can is right now. Not only that but you know how much is left in it. Prolly got a spare out in the truck or the drawer of your desk.
Not me. I'm free. 50 days free today.
Funny thing is, it could be you celebrating 50 days. Ain't nothing like freedom!
HUGE CONGRATULATIONS ON DAY 50 Bro.
I am forever proud to be quit with you today
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What is it about the quit that you find so elusive?
YouÂ’ve tried many times before; are you permitting fears and doubts built on past failures to dictate your future? Are you so crippled that you are no longer a man, capable of making conscious choices about your health and your life?
Or is it that you find the can so beguiling? The nausea of that first pinch has long since past and along with it the rush of the second pinch that you took so many years ago. Still you persist in chasing them. Why? To what end?
Do you hide cans? Do you grab a dip in secret? Do you make plans simply to avoid running out? Have you ever spurned an amorous advance from your spouse because you just put a fatty in and wanted to savor it? Do you have a nagging fear of cancer but have rationalized that the odds are in your favor; youÂ’ll quit before that happens? Will you? Do these behaviors disgust you?
I hope IÂ’ve struck a nerve. Because there are a couple of hundred MEN behind these doors who have embraced the suck of withdrawal victoriously and are waiting to stand strong with you should you commit to join their ranks. Husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons who loved their families more than nicotine are waiting to show you the way.
You only live once and time is not on your side.
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What is it about the quit that you find so elusive?
YouÂ’ve tried many times before; are you permitting fears and doubts built on past failures to dictate your future? Are you so crippled that you are no longer a man, capable of making conscious choices about your health and your life?
Or is it that you find the can so beguiling? The nausea of that first pinch has long since past and along with it the rush of the second pinch that you took so many years ago. Still you persist in chasing them. Why? To what end?
Do you hide cans? Do you grab a dip in secret? Do you make plans simply to avoid running out? Have you ever spurned an amorous advance from your spouse because you just put a fatty in and wanted to savor it? Do you have a nagging fear of cancer but have rationalized that the odds are in your favor; youÂ’ll quit before that happens? Will you? Do these behaviors disgust you?
I hope IÂ’ve struck a nerve. Because there are a couple of hundred MEN behind these doors who have embraced the suck of withdrawal victoriously and are waiting to stand strong with you should you commit to join their ranks. Husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons who loved their families more than nicotine are waiting to show you the way.
You only live once and time is not on your side.
We got ladies too!
I love your posts man, you're doing this the right way and paying it forward. Congrats on your 50 days and keep it up!
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I quit almost 8 years ago. I am experiencing something strange lately. Cravings worse than when I first quit. Talking with my wife she agrees that I never got over the physical effects of quitting. I am angrier, more stressed, easier to set off, etc, and over the last 2 months it is becoming exponentially worse. I feel like a powder keg just waiting to explode.
There is a possibility of it being linked to ADHD-C. I am hanging on by a thread but I actually have a can sitting in my kitchen. Not sure I am wanting to stay quit as I know that flood of nicotine will do what it did for 25 years. Soothe the beast. At least until I can get to a doctor and get diagnosed and start treatment.
Has anyone that quit long term dealt with anything like this? I have started binge eating along with all these other problems. Fake dip, seeds, nothing works to settle me down. Any ADHD sufferers out that have experienced anything like this? Considering trying vaping, e cigs, or gum/patches to get a hit without the poison that is in tobacco, but I am feeling like I am losing control.
Flush that can down the toilet! Immediately.
I canÂ’t speak to your symptoms, I havenÂ’t been Quit that long and it sounds unusual that withdrawal and cravings would still affect you. Have you been using some other form of nicotine or other drug?
You might want to speak with a specialist or even a psychologist to explore what might be triggering your response.
I do know that the can on that table doesnÂ’t contain the answers and it wonÂ’t make your life any better. If after 8 years Quit you are short tempered and irritable, hell maybe youÂ’re just an irritable guy with a short temper! All opening that can will do, is make you a short tempered guy who just threw away 8 years of quit.
Its amazing the tricky nic bitch still playing mind games after 8 years quit. Dont fall for it, its a trick. Flush that shit is right. 8 years and you bought a can? Cmon bro.
How about try walking, working out, doing push ups, cleaning the garage, painting the bathroom, ANYTHING other than adding another problem to your life by opening that can, e-cigging, patch, etc.... DONT DO IT
I quit for 10 years and at times had similar things happen. I did the big pharma thing first and that sucked, then I started going to the gym at 4am for awhile and it corrected it. physical activity does wonders dont replace one bad habit with another. I eventually went back to the can but have now stopped again and im 56 days in craving as much as ever.
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What is it about the quit that you find so elusive?
YouÂ’ve tried many times before; are you permitting fears and doubts built on past failures to dictate your future? Are you so crippled that you are no longer a man, capable of making conscious choices about your health and your life?
Or is it that you find the can so beguiling? The nausea of that first pinch has long since past and along with it the rush of the second pinch that you took so many years ago. Still you persist in chasing them. Why? To what end?
Do you hide cans? Do you grab a dip in secret? Do you make plans simply to avoid running out? Have you ever spurned an amorous advance from your spouse because you just put a fatty in and wanted to savor it? Do you have a nagging fear of cancer but have rationalized that the odds are in your favor; youÂ’ll quit before that happens? Will you? Do these behaviors disgust you?
I hope IÂ’ve struck a nerve. Because there are a couple of hundred MEN behind these doors who have embraced the suck of withdrawal victoriously and are waiting to stand strong with you should you commit to join their ranks. Husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons who loved their families more than nicotine are waiting to show you the way.
You only live once and time is not on your side.
We got ladies too!
I love your posts man, you're doing this the right way and paying it forward. Congrats on your 50 days and keep it up!
Yes we do! (have ladies). Oh for shame and one in my own hall as well (a thousand apologies Patti)
You speak truth brother. Like Satan, the nic bitch hates us all equally and undiminished, without regard to the variables of the human condition.
If only our love for each other could be so pure....
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Why can't the rest of the country be like this forum, This forum feels like an old group of friends.
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Why can't the rest of the country be like this forum, This forum feels like an old group of friends.
dude, I just happen to have a white F250 (1999, you know, with the F150 body style)
So today is your first day? I congratulate you on a wise decision. Embrace the suck but do it with your team.
Join your group and start posting roll TODAY. I'll be checking on you. PM me or Chewie if you need help
Wow, really glad you're here. Love to see a man choose life; makes my day.
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Why can't the rest of the country be like this forum, This forum feels like an old group of friends.
dude, I just happen to have a white F250 (1999, you know, with the F150 body style)
So today is your first day? I congratulate you on a wise decision. Embrace the suck but do it with your team.
Join your group and start posting roll TODAY. I'll be checking on you. PM me or Chewie if you need help
Wow, really glad you're here. Love to see a man choose life; makes my day.
Mines an 08, thanks I'm happy to Be able to say that I quit. Thanks for the support, I posted roll as soon as I got here, really helped to cement the idea that I'm done.
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Why can't the rest of the country be like this forum, This forum feels like an old group of friends.
dude, I just happen to have a white F250 (1999, you know, with the F150 body style)
So today is your first day? I congratulate you on a wise decision. Embrace the suck but do it with your team.
Join your group and start posting roll TODAY. I'll be checking on you. PM me or Chewie if you need help
Wow, really glad you're here. Love to see a man choose life; makes my day.
Mines an 08, thanks I'm happy to Be able to say that I quit. Thanks for the support, I posted roll as soon as I got here, really helped to cement the idea that I'm done.
Welcome F250,
Proud to be quit with you today. You have made a life changing decision that you will make everyday for the rest of your life. We quit daily here because how much easier is it to say, "I will not use nicotine today" than it is to say, "I will Never use nicotine again"?
I have a 2015 F350 Diesel but don't tell Athan or he will get jealous.
PM me if you want my digits, I would be happy to help with your accountability.
Chris
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damn i didn't see these posts, but yeah everything said definitely sounds familiar. My main problem now is laying off of the non tobacco fake chew lol. I literally go through 2 tins a day of the stuff, but hey it seems like its working!
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damn i didn't see these posts, but yeah everything said definitely sounds familiar. My main problem now is laying off of the non tobacco fake chew lol. I literally go through 2 tins a day of the stuff, but hey it seems like its working!
Whatever works brother. That too shall pass in time. PROUD TO BE QUIT WITH YOU TODAY
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Ignorance and stupidity are very different things but commonly confused and used interchangeably in todays lexicon.
One who is ignorant is merely lacking knowledge. You were ignorant of KTC; you now have knowledge of it and its availability to help you quit.
Stupid is where a person acquires knowledge but is not capable of applying it.
Well, You're here. You're at least reading this thread. We can reasonable assume you are aware of the hazards of continued nicotine use.
What shall we say then of your present circumstance?
Why don't you message me and we'll talk about it.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
oh yeah im sure, 4:10 gears in that thing with the 5.4 motor will kill your mileage.
mine does pretty well for its size, 4x4, towing package, 6.4 diesel, with a few adjustments and I average about 19-21
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
I love it. It tows my toy hauler like it's not even there (14,000 lbs loaded)
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They are peppy as well, I wouldnt mind having the 6.7, if I could find one that was completely deleted def and all
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Like a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
Don't be a fool my brother, choose life, choose to quit!
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Like a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
Don't be a fool my brother, choose life, choose to quit!
The Nicotine Bitch:
She is very cunning and very powerful and she is a murderer. She has many ways of entering our lives. Those that are smart never let her in to begin with. Those that have had the misfortune of letting her in either succumb to her advances whole heartedly and spend the rest of their lives in her servitude or they finally come out of the darkness and into the light and see her for what she really is.
The latter is what all of us are. We have seen the light of freedom from her grasp. Everyday we promise not to give into her constant barrage of advances to try to get us back. She is, as I said, very cunning. She will bide her time, waiting for just the right moment to pounce.
She has ALL the time in world. WE DON'T!!
That is why we have to remain vigilante in our quit to keep her at bay so we can enjoy what little remaining time we do have left on this earth.
One day, I will enjoy meeting some of you, my brothers and sisters, joined in our common fight against that murderous, conniving whore. Until then, I salute, admire, and respect you all for keeping up the good fight.
I Quit with You All Today
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
Proud of you for staying quit
PISSED AT YOU FOR GOING IT ALONE!
Just sent you my digits
BTW - in addition to cancer, nicotine (from whatever delivery system) is also linked to diabetes. Not enough press on diabetes - it's a HORRIBLE disease to have.
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
Proud of you for staying quit
PISSED AT YOU FOR GOING IT ALONE!
Just sent you my digits
BTW - in addition to cancer, nicotine (from whatever delivery system) is also linked to diabetes. Not enough press on diabetes - it's a HORRIBLE disease to have.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME GREAT WHITE??????
YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER!!!
I'm ecstatic that you did not cave. I would be more ecstatic if you would have reached out brother.
Don't make me come all the way down from the North to put a whoop ass beatin on you.
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As quoted by razd611:
To what lengths are you willing to go to stay quit?
What will you do that you normally wouldnÂ’t?
The amount of effort you put into staying quit is directly proportional to the end result.
I bet you would have done what ever you had to in the past to make sure you had the nic bitch with you on your vacations. You have to have the same drive to keep her away.
You must truly understand what it means to fail to completely overcome the grasps of your addiction.
If you care enough and want to find a way to make being on roll a priority, you will find a way. You are the only one that has to look you in the mirror each morning.
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
Proud of you for staying quit
PISSED AT YOU FOR GOING IT ALONE!
Just sent you my digits
BTW - in addition to cancer, nicotine (from whatever delivery system) is also linked to diabetes. Not enough press on diabetes - it's a HORRIBLE disease to have.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME GREAT WHITE??????
YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER!!!
I'm ecstatic that you did not cave. I would be more ecstatic if you would have reached out brother.
Don't make me come all the way down from the North to put a whoop ass beatin on you.
IQWYT is commonly included when folks post. It means "I quit with you today"
I have never seen anyone post IQAOMOTAIDNYB (I quit all on my own today and I don't need you basterds!)
Thanks for the digits!
IQWYT!
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
Proud of you for staying quit
PISSED AT YOU FOR GOING IT ALONE!
Just sent you my digits
BTW - in addition to cancer, nicotine (from whatever delivery system) is also linked to diabetes. Not enough press on diabetes - it's a HORRIBLE disease to have.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME GREAT WHITE??????
YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER!!!
I'm ecstatic that you did not cave. I would be more ecstatic if you would have reached out brother.
Don't make me come all the way down from the North to put a whoop ass beatin on you.
Sorry Brother,
split second reaction was to get dip, whole second reaction, punch filing cabinet. 3 seconds later forgot about dip to ice my hand.
its a hard deal to lean on others for me, i was raised on the mantra " if you want it done right then do it yourself"
Im working on it brothers...
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
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It almost happened today.
I almost caved to the temptation to put that worm dirt in my lip.
It would have happened if it weren't for you guys and the idea that I would let my HOF team and everyone on this site down.
But it didnt happen, so thats a step in the right direction, i do however have a busted knuckle from my file cabinet. Its better than mouth cancer but is slightly uncomfortable.
Proud of you for staying quit
PISSED AT YOU FOR GOING IT ALONE!
Just sent you my digits
BTW - in addition to cancer, nicotine (from whatever delivery system) is also linked to diabetes. Not enough press on diabetes - it's a HORRIBLE disease to have.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME GREAT WHITE??????
YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER!!!
I'm ecstatic that you did not cave. I would be more ecstatic if you would have reached out brother.
Don't make me come all the way down from the North to put a whoop ass beatin on you.
Sorry Brother,
split second reaction was to get dip, whole second reaction, punch filing cabinet. 3 seconds later forgot about dip to ice my hand.
its a hard deal to lean on others for me, i was raised on the mantra " if you want it done right then do it yourself"
Im working on it brothers...
DonÂ’t let it happen again. Geez, gotta lead all the newbies by the short and curlies to get them to open up and trust in the program.
We are all here for you. Use and abuse us. (Athan likes the abuse part) but donÂ’t you dare get another can. I will come down there and kick your ass.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
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Excuses.
What are some of the ones that you use?
After this can, just dropped $5 on it and I'm not gonna throw that out (um, that was 500 cans ago)
After this weekend (um, that was 100 weekends ago and counting)
She's driving me crazy (um, that's what they do)
I work with idiots! (um, don't we all? and that can will magically make the world smarter? Really?)
I broke my leg (sorry about the leg, um, and the can has bone healing medicinal properties?)
I have so much extra cash I don't know what else to do with it (um, please call me I can help you out)
Chicks dig it! (no, not really and can we talk about that mullet while we're on the subject?)
What's it to you, I'm only hurting myself (not while we're on a quasi socialized medical system but that's another class)
The tobacco companies are counting on me (just copenhagen alone is over a BILLION dollars a year)
Statistics are in my favor that I won't get cancer/diabetes/stomach ulcers/extremity circulatory damage/etc. (statistics are meaningless to the ones that do, and their families)
I do it in secret, she doesn't know (and lying to your spouse has always been a good foundation for a marriage/relationship?)
The fact is, there are as many excuses as there are cans of tobacco. I'm sure you can add to the list ad nauseum.
Winners have results. Losers have excuses. Your choice. Your life.
Choose life.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
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...all we are saying, is give quit a chance
...what if they gave a can and no one chewed.
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Athan - 57 IQWYT
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
Just do the cryo dude. if it was cost effective enough to do every day I could kick my caffeine addiction too
-
Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
Just do the cryo dude. if it was cost effective enough to do every day I could kick my caffeine addiction too
Totally gonna do it once I'm outta credit card debt lol. my wife would kill me if I spent 55$ for 2 minutes. I am gonna do an ice bath though.
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
Just do the cryo dude. if it was cost effective enough to do every day I could kick my caffeine addiction too
Totally gonna do it once I'm outta credit card debt lol. my wife would kill me if I spent 55$ for 2 minutes. I am gonna do an ice bath though.
What do you boys do about shrinkage?
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
Just do the cryo dude. if it was cost effective enough to do every day I could kick my caffeine addiction too
Totally gonna do it once I'm outta credit card debt lol. my wife would kill me if I spent 55$ for 2 minutes. I am gonna do an ice bath though.
What do you boys do about shrinkage?
Cry a little bit. lol. Deffinitely tough to wank it during a cold shower...but very possible...it just might no be the most impressive. Ice bath its been awhile I think you just become an inny for a little while. cryo I'm just hoping it doesn't go away completely. Suddenly I'm changing my name to catelyn and the rest of the world is in love with me because of my internal strength. Then I'll get named woman of the year and win a nobel peace prize...
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Athan, isnt your f250 like fords version of a tundra?
geared low, stiffer suspension, no added hp. Just an f150 purpose built to tow?
Atleast thats the ones I have seen, there arent too many down here.
Chris,
How do you like that 6.7?
Mines the crew cab with the suicide doors. 4x4 with a fifth wheel towing package. The only thing I don't like about it is the gas mileage - about 12-13mpg.
LOL my dad has the same exact truck, except his is that gold beige that was really popular with ford in the late 90's early 2000's.
The turning radius and the mpg's are rough. The suspension is friggin destructive. We used to have 6 miles of washboards we had to drive through to get to the old hunting club and that thing would throw us fucking everywhere. Drove my new dodge over them and it handles them sooo much better.
I have never had good luck with turning radius with ford in general though, my 1500 can make turns with ease my old ranger struggled to do in a 3 point.
That truck is purpose built to tow so yeah the suspension is like a lumber wagon
Didnt fuck up my quit of tobacco today so far, but did fuck up my keto diet with a cherry coke. wifes gonna be pissed lol
How's the keto working out for you? I did Paleo and IF and it worked out great wasn't sure if I wanted to do keto or just bring back paleo. Problem is taking away fruits and veggies from me would be almost worse than dropping nic. Like I'm a fruit addict. I gotta grow my own shit or buy from someone I knew grows it personally instead of getting it from Mexico...but still that'd be soo tough to cut out.
keto is just cutting out all the sugar or anything that turns into sugar in your body. I like it because I like meat, dont get me wrong I love fruit but its not that hrd to cut out. and I miss bread. I did paleo for a year, lost a little bit of weight. Keto is a lot better for you than paleo IMO.
Okay, I need help in this area. I love bread, I like meat, I not too fond of fruits and veggies. IÂ’ll eat them but begrudgingly. I put on like 20 pounds since I quit and I already needed to loose 100 pounds.
nights a week and it is not helping.
Any suggestions?
Yeah, I heard you like meat!
Maybe you should grow taller mountain man (didn't work for me)
meat and fat sir, eat leafy greens a little every day , no fruit,no bread, no carbs, no sugars
It might be hard to get rid of bread, the paleo diet mixed with Intermittent fasting helped me lose about 110 lbs before my wedding in 8 months...and then I quit chewing after my wedding and put on weight, and then I caved and then I kept putting on weight because I'd already gotten used to eating badly and drinking again...and so far during this quit I've put on about 10 more. I wanna try the keto diet this time around personally but I don't think I'm strong enough to give up fruits and veggies. Maybe if I only got mine from safeway or something but home grown fruits and veggies are the most delicious thing in the world.
On keto you have to eat veggies, just no fruits. Also believe it or not but the frozen veggies from the store are better for you than fresh from the store. The caveat to that is if you can grow your own veggies they are the best for you.
Side note, if you haven't tried cryotherapy you need to, it makes you feel awesome
I've been hearing about that. I wanna do it soon, I know my cold showers make me feel great so I could only imagine how that feels. I think I'm gonna go to my local cryotherapy place when I eventually get a free day lol
-220 f for 2 minutes makes everything feel better
I could just cut a hole in the ice and jump in the lake. Same thing, right?
Yeah same thing , try it and let us know how it goes! i'll watch the news sites for the headline "Cheap alaskan jumps in freezing water, dies"
It is already a thing here. It's called the "Polar Plunge" People do it all the time. Me?, Hell to the Fuckin No Way.
Just do the cryo dude. if it was cost effective enough to do every day I could kick my caffeine addiction too
Totally gonna do it once I'm outta credit card debt lol. my wife would kill me if I spent 55$ for 2 minutes. I am gonna do an ice bath though.
What do you boys do about shrinkage?
Cry a little bit. lol. Deffinitely tough to wank it during a cold shower...but very possible...it just might no be the most impressive. Ice bath its been awhile I think you just become an inny for a little while. cryo I'm just hoping it doesn't go away completely. Suddenly I'm changing my name to catelyn and the rest of the world is in love with me because of my internal strength. Then I'll get named woman of the year and win a nobel peace prize...
I noticed immediately after I could cross my legs in a chair a little bit better lol
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Know what makes my day?
When a young father comes along. He's got a little girl he wants to be there for. He's got a little boy he wants to watch become a man. And he's made a decision that they are more important than the can.
I've heard it said that urgent things are seldom important while important things are seldom urgent.
Well that craving you feel for that next pinch is an urgent thing.
Watching your children grow up, well, I think you'll agree with me that that's important.
Yeah, if you came on in outa the cold and posted by the fire where all the quitters stand round and support each other, that'd make my day.
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There was a slight chill in the air so I grabbed a light jacket on the way out. When I got there a buddy starts busting my balls about needing a coat.
"Yes it's true, a real man can endure the elements." I said. Then I added, "But only an idiot does it needlessly."
So it is with the quit. A real man can bear that burden alone.
But only an idiot would do it needlessly.
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There was a slight chill in the air so I grabbed a light jacket on the way out. When I got there a buddy starts busting my balls about needing a coat.
"Yes it's true, a real man can endure the elements." I said. Then I added, "But only an idiot does it needlessly."
So it is with the quit. A real man can bear that burden alone.
But only an idiot would do it needlessly.
This is brilliant... well said sir. Keep on quittin my man!
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This is my first full day quitting after chewing for 11 years. I drive truck for a living so IÂ’m really struggling with this quit. I chewed merely out of boredom and the help with the stress of driving.
Does anyone have any tips or suggestions on how to deal with the extreme “mood swing”? One minute I’m fine and then the next minute I’m freaking out and really angry. I hate this crap and it’s been the biggest block as to why I haven’t made honest efforts into quitting but I want to be around for my wife (1 month married as of today!) and my future children so I’m giving it my best effort but it’s difficult.
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This is my first full day quitting after chewing for 11 years. I drive truck for a living so IÂ’m really struggling with this quit. I chewed merely out of boredom and the help with the stress of driving.
Does anyone have any tips or suggestions on how to deal with the extreme “mood swing”? One minute I’m fine and then the next minute I’m freaking out and really angry. I hate this crap and it’s been the biggest block as to why I haven’t made honest efforts into quitting but I want to be around for my wife (1 month married as of today!) and my future children so I’m giving it my best effort but it’s difficult.
Just wait until you cry like a 14 yo girl... thats fun.
Hey, you truckers got it tough - can't just stop driving to go for a walk, which is what I tell most people. Maybe just crank up some of your favorite tunes (as loud as you can) and scream along. After 3 minutes, the crave will be gone.
Quit for yourself, hate that weed. Your wife and future children will be better off in the future
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This is my first full day quitting after chewing for 11 years. I drive truck for a living so IÂ’m really struggling with this quit. I chewed merely out of boredom and the help with the stress of driving.
Does anyone have any tips or suggestions on how to deal with the extreme “mood swing”? One minute I’m fine and then the next minute I’m freaking out and really angry. I hate this crap and it’s been the biggest block as to why I haven’t made honest efforts into quitting but I want to be around for my wife (1 month married as of today!) and my future children so I’m giving it my best effort but it’s difficult.
Just wait until you cry like a 14 yo girl... thats fun.
Hey, you truckers got it tough - can't just stop driving to go for a walk, which is what I tell most people. Maybe just crank up some of your favorite tunes (as loud as you can) and scream along. After 3 minutes, the crave will be gone.
Quit for yourself, hate that weed. Your wife and future children will be better off in the future
^^^ MN provides some solid advice
Hydrant and arm yourself. I would a variety of candy, gum, toothpicks, fake chew, anything to keep mixing it up.
Also, get a hand grip strengthener, use it while you drive and get pissed.
At all cost stay quit!
ID
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This is my first full day quitting after chewing for 11 years. I drive truck for a living so IÂ’m really struggling with this quit. I chewed merely out of boredom and the help with the stress of driving.
Does anyone have any tips or suggestions on how to deal with the extreme “mood swing”? One minute I’m fine and then the next minute I’m freaking out and really angry. I hate this crap and it’s been the biggest block as to why I haven’t made honest efforts into quitting but I want to be around for my wife (1 month married as of today!) and my future children so I’m giving it my best effort but it’s difficult.
Just wait until you cry like a 14 yo girl... thats fun.
Hey, you truckers got it tough - can't just stop driving to go for a walk, which is what I tell most people. Maybe just crank up some of your favorite tunes (as loud as you can) and scream along. After 3 minutes, the crave will be gone.
Quit for yourself, hate that weed. Your wife and future children will be better off in the future
^^^ MN provides some solid advice
Hydrant and arm yourself. I would a variety of candy, gum, toothpicks, fake chew, anything to keep mixing it up.
Also, get a hand grip strengthener, use it while you drive and get pissed.
At all cost stay quit!
ID
Holy shit, those are some violent tits..
Two stoppages ago I was a driver, gum ends up hurting your jaw your hammering on it so frequently, you'll get fat as fuck from snacking (which I did). the Only thing that helped me was grinds and snacking, though I suggest the grinds coffee. Keeps you awake and gives you that mouth feel. I did not cave because I was driving,I caved because I had "beat it" and all of a sudden smoked a stogey on my birthday about 8 months in, spiraled down from there. You got this, because I had it, if I'd have been on this site then I'd have truly beat it. Join a group, make some allies in the war against nicotine, and promise your friends you wont use today.
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Go ahead and put that chew in. Go ahead, I want you to have a little context while we discuss what it is that you just did.
Polonium-210 (Po-210) is a radioactive material that occurs naturally in the earthÂ’s crust.
Similar to bananaÂ’s and their affinity for potassium-40, tobacco has an affinity for Polonium. That means that the plant will naturally absorb the nuclide whereas other plants wonÂ’t.
Now here is the interesting part, Po-210 emits alpha particles. Of all the radioactive particles, the alpha particle is the largest, has the highest charge, and does the most biological damage.
Because of its large mass and high charge, it is stopped by the clothes that you wear or even your skin. So itÂ’s a radiation hazard only if it is taken into the body through breathing or eating.
Polonium has a half-life of 138 days. That means that after 138 days, you will still have half of what you just ingested.
Much of Po-210 is passed through feces, although the remaining amounts that enter the bloodstream can concentrate in organs such as the spleen, kidneys, and liver.
And you thought oral cancer was the only risk; think again. You canÂ’t pull your spleen out and look at it to see if youÂ’ve been chewing too much the way you can look at your lip or gums in the mirror.
Ready to spit that dip out and quit for real now?
Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/polonium-210.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/polonium-210.htm)
https://www3.epa.gov/radtown/tobacco.html (https://www3.epa.gov/radtown/tobacco.html)
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You ready to be all in?
Because there's no point entering unless you are.
There's no such thing as half-quit.
I mean, you don't get half-syphilis.
The doctor isn't going to tell you, "I'm sorry, but you've got half cancer"
Your objective, should you choose to commit, is to quit every day.
You'll post roll with others promising to do just that, every day.
You'll notice some that post late, some that miss days.
They're not all in. They don't make it. They're on their way to getting half-herpes or half-diabetes.
What about you?
You ready to be all in?
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You ready to be all in?
Because there's no point entering unless you are.
There's no such thing as half-quit.
I mean, you don't get half-syphilis.
The doctor isn't going to tell you, "I'm sorry, but you've got half cancer"
Your objective, should you choose to commit, is to quit every day.
You'll post roll with others promising to do just that, every day.
You'll notice some that post late, some that miss days.
They're not all in. They don't make it. They're on their way to getting half-herpes or half-diabetes.
What about you?
You ready to be all in?
This.
Is.
BRILLIANT.
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You ready to be all in?
Because there's no point entering unless you are.
There's no such thing as half-quit.
I mean, you don't get half-syphilis.
The doctor isn't going to tell you, "I'm sorry, but you've got half cancer"
Your objective, should you choose to commit, is to quit every day.
You'll post roll with others promising to do just that, every day.
You'll notice some that post late, some that miss days.
They're not all in. They don't make it. They're on their way to getting half-herpes or half-diabetes.
What about you?
You ready to be all in?
This.
Is.
BRILLIANT.
Athan is killing it..
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I am guessing there will be a bump in KTC traffic when folks read the Jim Kelly Story:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2261 ... 83369786=1 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22614594/former-buffalo-bills-qb-jim-kelly-undergo-treatment-oral-cancer-returns?sf183369786=1)
They will probably google did Jim Kelly chew? And then they will start googling chewing, quitting and cancer.
I have done all those things and the only difference between a random chewer and me is I quit and joined KTC, and I have posted 1+ for 1292 days.
QLF
Idaho Spuds
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I am guessing there will be a bump in KTC traffic when folks read the Jim Kelly Story:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2261 ... 83369786=1 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22614594/former-buffalo-bills-qb-jim-kelly-undergo-treatment-oral-cancer-returns?sf183369786=1)
They will probably google did Jim Kelly chew? And then they will start googling chewing, quitting and cancer.
I have done all those things and the only difference between a random chewer and me is I quit and joined KTC, and I have posted 1+ for 1292 days.
QLF
Idaho Spuds
Agree.
Sadly, it will also lead to an influx of folks telling us how safe tobacco is, how they've got a 90 year old grandfather who's smoked and chewed his whole life and is totally healthy, how many benefits nicotine actually has, blah, blah, blah.
There's a lot of stupid fucking people out there.
I know what I know. Tobacco had me hooked. It damn near killed me to quit. I'm NEVER going back.
Prayers to Jim Kelly...
Proud to be quit with you all today.
Chewie
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Take that can out and look at it. Really, go ahead. Take it out and look at it. ItÂ’s not made of gold or anything.
What if I told you that you paid $50,000 for it.
What, you didnÂ’t know it was an installment plan?
DidnÂ’t know with the first can you were signing up for LIFE?
You werenÂ’t planning on that were you?
If a slick salesman were sitting before your son with a legal contract and was pushing your kid to sign the dotted line that would obligate him for $5 a day for the REST OF HIS LIFE and you had a baseball bat, how would that all pan out?
What person in their right mind commits themselves to a financial contract in perpetuity that could cost them their life?
I wouldnÂ’t even do that for a cool pickup truck.
And for a can? Really?
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Hard.
It's a word used by the weak to describe that which requires effort.
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Hard.
It's a word used by the weak to describe that which requires effort.
Hey now. It's also a word people use to describe me...especially my wife. Shit the wind blowing just right will do the trick.
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I’m at the dentist office today. For the first time in over 30 years I got to circle “NO” next to the “Do you use tobacco” question.
This my first visit in a long time. Wish me luck.
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I’m at the dentist office today. For the first time in over 30 years I got to circle “NO” next to the “Do you use tobacco” question.
This my first visit in a long time. Wish me luck.
good luck brother - looking forward to hearing your awesome report!
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I’m at the dentist office today. For the first time in over 30 years I got to circle “NO” next to the “Do you use tobacco” question.
This my first visit in a long time. Wish me luck.
good luck brother - looking forward to hearing your awesome report!
Good luck man! Remember that cancer screening! I got mine and it made me feel like a million bucks after it was finished to know that I was clean. You don't notice how much weight worrying about cancer puts on your shoulders until its suddenly gone.
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I’m at the dentist office today. For the first time in over 30 years I got to circle “NO” next to the “Do you use tobacco” question.
This my first visit in a long time. Wish me luck.
good luck brother - looking forward to hearing your awesome report!
Good luck man! Remember that cancer screening! I got mine and it made me feel like a million bucks after it was finished to know that I was clean. You don't notice how much weight worrying about cancer puts on your shoulders until its suddenly gone.
Cancer Free?
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I’m at the dentist office today. For the first time in over 30 years I got to circle “NO” next to the “Do you use tobacco” question.
This my first visit in a long time. Wish me luck.
good luck brother - looking forward to hearing your awesome report!
Good luck man! Remember that cancer screening! I got mine and it made me feel like a million bucks after it was finished to know that I was clean. You don't notice how much weight worrying about cancer puts on your shoulders until its suddenly gone.
Cancer Free?
Best. Two. Words. EVER!
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So we had a guy cave yesterday. Said he was “half-assing” his quit.
CanÂ’t begin to convey the sense of loss I felt.
Here was someone who made a conscious decision to stop using a dangerous substance but in the end was unable to resist the sirens call.
6 days into it.
I wonÂ’t sugar coat it; itÂ’s a trial. The cravings are real. But so is freedom.
IÂ’m 63 days free today because I didnÂ’t cave yesterday.
I and most of the guys in our group communicate and actively lean on each other.
The guy that caved didnÂ’t. He neither sought out nor offered help.
He tried alone and he died alone.
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As quoted by UncleRico:
"Everybody will wake up if they are granted another day on earth.
What you do first after you wake up is a decision that you make."
As quoted by bgbdbrd:
"Wake up, piss, post
Freedom is what I crave most"
Regarding when to post roll (the promise to your group to remain nicotine free for the day). Statements that eloquent have to be shared, even celebrated!
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!)
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew
You've lied about using
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out
You've fallen asleep with a chew in
You've recycled a chew because you were running low
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch?
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!)
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew
You've lied about using
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out
You've fallen asleep with a chew in
You've recycled a chew because you were running low
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch?
You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine Probably
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!) Numerous times!
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew [/b]Not only that but looking for that round sillhouette because they are probably someone I would get along with in general.
You've lied about using YES
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach YES
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out YES
You've fallen asleep with a chew in All the time
You've recycled a chew because you were running low Yes absolutely. Gross.
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded Ive experienced the pain and just kept dipping. Especially with job and being up at night half the time my lip never had time to heal. After some busy shifts I would wake up in the morning and half the skin on the inside of my mouth would seem to molt off.
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed no
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it Yes, eating a drinking came easy, I never spit at all.
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch? I am no longer nicotines bitch. Everyday I will vow make it her my bitch for that day. I originally filled this out just because, but then thought I should post my answers. Largely because most of it embarrasses me, but I feel that right now is when I need to admit everything about the addiction and its hold on me. Nobody would understand those questions like you guys. Today is day 6 for me! Feeling the fog lighten up a little bit thankfully. I will stay strong today though! Thank you all.
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!)
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew
You've lied about using
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out
You've fallen asleep with a chew in
You've recycled a chew because you were running low
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch?
You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine Probably
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!) Numerous times!
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew [/b]Not only that but looking for that round sillhouette because they are probably someone I would get along with in general.
You've lied about using YES
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach YES
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out YES
You've fallen asleep with a chew in All the time
You've recycled a chew because you were running low Yes absolutely. Gross.
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded Ive experienced the pain and just kept dipping. Especially with job and being up at night half the time my lip never had time to heal. After some busy shifts I would wake up in the morning and half the skin on the inside of my mouth would seem to molt off.
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed no
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it Yes, eating a drinking came easy, I never spit at all.
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch? I am no longer nicotines bitch. Everyday I will vow make it her my bitch for that day. I originally filled this out just because, but then thought I should post my answers. Largely because most of it embarrasses me, but I feel that right now is when I need to admit everything about the addiction and its hold on me. Nobody would understand those questions like you guys. Today is day 6 for me! Feeling the fog lighten up a little bit thankfully. I will stay strong today though! Thank you all.
damn proud to be quit with you today!
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine. So frequently...or turned down because of dip breath.
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!) any time I didn't have money..which was all the time lol.
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew. I have never checked out more dude ass than when I left my can in the truck at a giants game.
You've lied about using. Only to my grandparents, I was a loud and proud type of dumbass.
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach. Yep, and found that bitch a year later during a desperate time and thrown one dry nasty thing in anyway.
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out. I was actually pretty good at keeping stocked up...my lazy would constantly fight with my addiction. Plus I drive by like 6 gas stations from my work to my house and another 2-3 quickee marts.
You've fallen asleep with a chew in. Ugh hated that shit, wake up realize you'd swollowed like half of that shit.
You've recycled a chew because you were running low. Hell if it wasn't in for more than 10 minutes it didn't count. 'puking'
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded. Thats what the top lip was for.
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed. No. I mean...I don't have kids. but I still feel like I wouldn't.
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it. Horrible at it. could barely drink with one in, but eating was out of the question. I couldn't gut dip to save my life.
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch? I'll make that shit my bitch every day. Finally I'm just my wifes bitch. nobody.nothing elses...unless she loans me to a friend to help with the painting or something....then I'm that persons bitch for the day...
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You stare at the floor. You are alone in a crowded waiting room. You’re finding it hard to breathe; as if a weight were actually on your chest compressing it. Though it’s 65 degrees in there you are bathed in a cold sweat. Cancer. The word itself instills fear in just about everyone. “What is that stuff Daddy? That stuff you put in your mouth?” You remember his little words, spoken so long ago like they were yesterday. Your little man. Little nothing. He’s a strapping young man now. You’ve never been more proud of anything or anyone in your whole life. You were there at his graduation from boot camp. The pride on his face was nothing to what you held in your heart. One of your greatest joys is introducing him to acquaintances, “This is my son…”
“Sir?”, the doctors words shake you from your reverie. “Sir, your son is going to be fine. We had to take some 60% of his jaw and 30% of his tongue. But we think we got it all.”
True. He might have learned to chew from someone else.
But he didnÂ’t.
He learned from you.
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!)
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew
You've lied about using
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out
You've fallen asleep with a chew in
You've recycled a chew because you were running low
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch?
All of these, plus:
- Waking up thinking about my first dip, instead of sex.
- Taking a shower so I could have a dip and my wife would not know.
- Facing my kids with dip in, after lecturing them for years about the horrors of nicotine....new low there.
- Having my sister nickname me "chawlipsuckermouth".
Facing the realities of this bullshit habit really helps, along with the growing sense of brotherhood here. Thanks to all.
8 days clean....
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I took the wife shopping yesterday so she could get some things for are vacation coming right up. I'm just standing there like a idiot holding up the clothing racks staring into space when my phone starts to buzz. I look at it, and it is a message from Athan saying Congrags on day 50. And then it hit me. There are few times in a mans life when he feels real pride. And I mean that pride that is yours and yours alone, I felt this yesterday after that phone call, in that crappy store. It hit me like a ton of bricks. 50 days with no Nic. on my back. No one new but I walked a little taller and prouder in that store. It was a great me moment that I shared with only myself and my wife, now I share with all of you. Thank you for that cal, and thanks to KTC. I would have never gotten this far without you. Let the journey and fight continue.
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You might be its bitch if:
You've deferred sex for nicotine - NEVER
You've been broke and paid for it with a credit card (you friggin financed your addiction you idiot, you actually paid interest on it!) NOPE, ALWAYS PAID CASH SO THE WIFE WOULDN'T ASK ABOUT THE CC BILL
You've looked for the round silhouette on strangers in a crowd so you could bum a chew NOPE, AND I NEVER TOOK CANDY FROM STRANGERS EITHER
You've lied about using REPEATEDLY
You've stashed cans to ensure your next fix was never out of reach ABSOLUTELY. PEOPLE WILL BE FINDING OLD CANS OF MY CHEW LONG AFTER I AM DEAD AND GONE. WE ONCE BOOKED THE SAME CONDO IN BRECKENRIDGE THAT WE HAD BOOKED TWO YEARS EARLIER. I FOUND A GREAT PLACE IN THE BATHROOM UP ON A VERY HIGH BUILT IN SHELF TO HIDE A CAN OF GRIZZLY FOR MY BATHROOM FIX WHILE ON VACATION. I CLIMBED UP THERE TO PLACE MY CAN BEHIND A FAKE PLANT AND LO AND BEHOLD THERE WAS ALREADY A CAN OF GRIZZLY UP THERE. IT WAS ALL DRIED UP BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS. THAT WAS A GREAT HIDING PLACE!
You've driven cross town because your normal stop was out ABSOLUTELY
You've fallen asleep with a chew in OFTEN
You've recycled a chew because you were running low NO, BUT I OFTEN TOOK OUT A CHEW AND SET IT ON TOP OF MY CAN IN THE TRUCK WHILE I RAN IN SOMEWHERE FOR WORK. I ONLY DID THIS IF I KNEW I WAS ONLY GOING TO BE A FEW MINUTES.
You've put a chew in and experienced pain because your lip is shredded THAT PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBED THE LAST 35 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
You've stolen from your kids piggy bank to finance your dirty deed HELL NO!
You've not only eaten with a chew in, you've actually gotten proficient at it I DID THIS A LOT. ESPECIALLY ON ROAD TRIPS WITH MY WIFE WHEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH A DRIVE THRU. I WAS USUALLY NINJA DIPPING WITH A PIECE OF GUM AND WOULD SPIT THE GUM OUT TO EAT BUT LEAVE THE CHEW IN THERE.
Aren't you tired of being it's bitch? I GREW TIRED OF IT YEARS AGO BUT WAS TOO PATHETIC TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.
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Hi. I am new to this site. Ive spent the last 30minutes looking all over the site trying to figure out where to post my DAY 1 roll call or where Im supposed to announce it is my DAY 1. Someone here please direct me. Ill give a quick run down of me. Been on the can for 20 years. Nicotine for 25 years. Tried quitting probably 100 times already. Used NRT many times before and that only seems to give me pause between tobacco use. So COLD TURKEY it is now. And Im joining this site to be held accountable. Today is DAY 1 and by this weekend, all of the nicotine should be out of my body and the mental gymnastics will begin. So here goes.
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Hi. I am new to this site. Ive spent the last 30minutes looking all over the site trying to figure out where to post my DAY 1 roll call or where Im supposed to announce it is my DAY 1. Someone here please direct me. Ill give a quick run down of me. Been on the can for 20 years. Nicotine for 25 years. Tried quitting probably 100 times already. Used NRT many times before and that only seems to give me pause between tobacco use. So COLD TURKEY it is now. And Im joining this site to be held accountable. Today is DAY 1 and by this weekend, all of the nicotine should be out of my body and the mental gymnastics will begin. So here goes.
I thin you are looking for June Pre HOF. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30505359/102/)
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In 1953, Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay climbed Mount Everest. Took them 7 weeks.
Know how they did it?
One step at a time.
WhatÂ’s your Everest?
Give me 7 weeks.
Together, weÂ’ll mount that summit.
One day at a time.
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
If today is your day 1, then June 18 would be your quit group. Go to 2018 quit groups, and post roll. Its a little difficult to post but there is a video under the getting started topic that shows how to do it. If not just go to June 18 quit group and ask for help. There are lots of quitters in there that can get you squared away. Post roll everyday, post it early, get some phone numbers from members and EMBRACE the suck for the next few days. You want a good memory of it so you dont have to repeat it
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
If today is your day 1, then June 18 would be your quit group. Go to 2018 quit groups, and post roll. Its a little difficult to post but there is a video under the getting started topic that shows how to do it. If not just go to June 18 quit group and ask for help. There are lots of quitters in there that can get you squared away. Post roll everyday, post it early, get some phone numbers from members and EMBRACE the suck for the next few days. You want a good memory of it so you dont have to repeat it
Thanks Neil!
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
If today is your day 1, then June 18 would be your quit group. Go to 2018 quit groups, and post roll. Its a little difficult to post but there is a video under the getting started topic that shows how to do it. If not just go to June 18 quit group and ask for help. There are lots of quitters in there that can get you squared away. Post roll everyday, post it early, get some phone numbers from members and EMBRACE the suck for the next few days. You want a good memory of it so you dont have to repeat it
Thanks Neil!
You should also tell your wife bro. We will help hold you accountable but your wife should know what you are going through too. Don't go at it thinking she's gonna nag you to death. Just be like "Hey, I failed...I can't do this on my own" tell her about the site but go all in let her know every truth, huge weight off your shoulders, feels great. yeah it might lead to an argument but its an addiction to one of the most addictive substances on the planet, its not like you fucked her sister, she'll get over it. And it'll come out anyway, if she does the math on your "It's been a hundred days! yay!" moment, and she realizes she thinks its been 125. Plus your wife's gonna wonder why you're gonna be a complete douche for the next two weeks after having just gone through that
Go all in. I'm all in, and its the only way to stay quit. My wife, my parents, my close friends they all know to beat my ass if they even hear me mention dip. We're just some people online, you need to make us part of your quit, part of your friends group otherwise this sites useless. If you post and ghost then you will have a MUCH higher likelyhood of caving. You bullshit with your group get everybodies numbers, give them yours. It will mean a whole lot more when you can say "Man...if I cave I'm gonna have to explain it to Joe, Mike, Chris, Bryce, Athan, etc etc etc" vs "Man...if I quit...I'll have to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet that mean nothing to me" Shit I probably text bryce and athan more than I text my wife at this point.
Digits are in your inbox
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
If today is your day 1, then June 18 would be your quit group. Go to 2018 quit groups, and post roll. Its a little difficult to post but there is a video under the getting started topic that shows how to do it. If not just go to June 18 quit group and ask for help. There are lots of quitters in there that can get you squared away. Post roll everyday, post it early, get some phone numbers from members and EMBRACE the suck for the next few days. You want a good memory of it so you dont have to repeat it
Thanks Neil!
You should also tell your wife bro. We will help hold you accountable but your wife should know what you are going through too. Don't go at it thinking she's gonna nag you to death. Just be like "Hey, I failed...I can't do this on my own" tell her about the site but go all in let her know every truth, huge weight off your shoulders, feels great. yeah it might lead to an argument but its an addiction to one of the most addictive substances on the planet, its not like you fucked her sister, she'll get over it. And it'll come out anyway, if she does the math on your "It's been a hundred days! yay!" moment, and she realizes she thinks its been 125. Plus your wife's gonna wonder why you're gonna be a complete douche for the next two weeks after having just gone through that
Go all in. I'm all in, and its the only way to stay quit. My wife, my parents, my close friends they all know to beat my ass if they even hear me mention dip. We're just some people online, you need to make us part of your quit, part of your friends group otherwise this sites useless. If you post and ghost then you will have a MUCH higher likelyhood of caving. You bullshit with your group get everybodies numbers, give them yours. It will mean a whole lot more when you can say "Man...if I cave I'm gonna have to explain it to Joe, Mike, Chris, Bryce, Athan, etc etc etc" vs "Man...if I quit...I'll have to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet that mean nothing to me" Shit I probably text bryce and athan more than I text my wife at this point.
Digits are in your inbox
Saw your PM. IÂ’ll shoot you a text in a minute here. You hit the nail on the head with every word there. IÂ’ll be reading that to my wife tonight when I have the conversation with her.
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Sour check your inbox. upper right hand corner and shoot me a message if I can help
Neil, thank you for sending me a PM and welcoming me to the group. Been getting the hang of using the site on my iPhone and reading through the past couple of days of the thread.
Little bit about me and my situation:
On February 12, 2018, I quit. I had purchased life insurance for myself and my wife and set up an exam for February 17 - this was my reason for quitting. I knew that if I could make it 3-4 days nicotine free, I would save myself $20/mo for YEARS to come. Needless to say, this was not the right reason to have for quitting. I made it to February 17th tobacco/nic free, I passed my exam with flying colors, also nic free. After this, I made it to Day 13. And then, I caved. I havenÂ’t been using nearly as heavily as I was prior to those 13 days, but I know now that it is officially time to quit. For good. Forever. Starting over is going to fucking suck, since I already made it through the beginning one time, a few weeks ago. And now I get to do it again.
The WORST part of all of this, is that my wife still thinks IÂ’m quit. I canÂ’t bring myself to share my disappointment and failure again. And the fight it would bring on.
Can someone post the link to my roll group. And someone help me hold myself accountable.
YouÂ’re all awesome
-Sour
If today is your day 1, then June 18 would be your quit group. Go to 2018 quit groups, and post roll. Its a little difficult to post but there is a video under the getting started topic that shows how to do it. If not just go to June 18 quit group and ask for help. There are lots of quitters in there that can get you squared away. Post roll everyday, post it early, get some phone numbers from members and EMBRACE the suck for the next few days. You want a good memory of it so you dont have to repeat it
Thanks Neil!
You should also tell your wife bro. We will help hold you accountable but your wife should know what you are going through too. Don't go at it thinking she's gonna nag you to death. Just be like "Hey, I failed...I can't do this on my own" tell her about the site but go all in let her know every truth, huge weight off your shoulders, feels great. yeah it might lead to an argument but its an addiction to one of the most addictive substances on the planet, its not like you fucked her sister, she'll get over it. And it'll come out anyway, if she does the math on your "It's been a hundred days! yay!" moment, and she realizes she thinks its been 125. Plus your wife's gonna wonder why you're gonna be a complete douche for the next two weeks after having just gone through that
Go all in. I'm all in, and its the only way to stay quit. My wife, my parents, my close friends they all know to beat my ass if they even hear me mention dip. We're just some people online, you need to make us part of your quit, part of your friends group otherwise this sites useless. If you post and ghost then you will have a MUCH higher likelyhood of caving. You bullshit with your group get everybodies numbers, give them yours. It will mean a whole lot more when you can say "Man...if I cave I'm gonna have to explain it to Joe, Mike, Chris, Bryce, Athan, etc etc etc" vs "Man...if I quit...I'll have to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet that mean nothing to me" Shit I probably text bryce and athan more than I text my wife at this point.
Digits are in your inbox
Man, every time you write it touches me. Gotta little bromance going on. I wept openly.
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow I had the same thing happen last night. One minute I'm eating dinner the next I,m in a deep depression. It frig gen sucked. Just felt alone. Very hard to explain to the wife. I just kept telling myself it's in my head. It's all good. 3 hours later it past and here I am. Like you with out this site, no question I would be eating worm dirt. Glad to here you worked your way threw it. I will not be beaten by a can of chew. I will win.
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No you wonÂ’t! You better not!
Athan, tell me you didnÂ’t do it.
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No you wonÂ’t! You better not!
Athan, tell me you didnÂ’t do it.
I'm good, my quit is sold. Just frustrated. Very. Had to blog it out for quit safety's sake. IQWYT
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No you wonÂ’t! You better not!
Athan, tell me you didnÂ’t do it.
I'm good, my quit is sold. Just frustrated. Very. Had to blog it out for quit safety's sake. IQWYT
I apologize for the outburst yesterday. Going to reduce the coffee today.
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I'm sitting in a cube reading the code of federal regulations cause I need to learn this section of it in detail for a work related assignment and I can't focus long enough to finish a frigging paragraph. The frustration level is bordering on an anxiety attack. Had I not joined this site and posted roll this morning I would be on my way to get a can right this very second.
I sat in a doctors office in December getting an endoscopy done because I was having difficulty swallowing. The fear I had of putting off the quit one day too long and getting esophageal cancer was palpable. I AM NEVER RELIVING THAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT USE TODAY. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No you wonÂ’t! You better not!
Athan, tell me you didnÂ’t do it.
I'm good, my quit is sold. Just frustrated. Very. Had to blog it out for quit safety's sake. IQWYT
I apologize for the outburst yesterday. Going to reduce the coffee today.
Athan my father said to never apologize it is a sine of weakness. We all deserve an outburst or two, for what we are trying to do. Stay Strong, Your morning words keep me inspired.
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Had a guy give up on his quit today. WasnÂ’t surprised really; he was late when and if he posted. He didnÂ’t offer support.
So I had some issues yesterday with my little outburst in this forum. Within the hour I was contacted by no less than four people. They are as invested in my quit as I am in theirs. We support each other. I wasnÂ’t on my way to the store and I shouldnÂ’t even have intimated that; but these brothers of mine werenÂ’t taking any chances. We donÂ’t get to where weÂ’re standing on the precipice of using again because we take action before that happens.
Noah built the ark BEFORE the flood; he didn't wait for it to start raining.
IÂ’ve got my ark.
What are YOU going to do when it starts raining?
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Wake up calls.
You ever put one in at a hotel?
Maybe with your spouse or roommate?
Not sure if youÂ’d get up on time for whatever reason and needed the extra kick in the pants to wake up.
Ran across a brother who needs gum grafts.
ThatÂ’s gotta be some kinda wake up call.
For me it was waiting for the results of a biopsy after an endoscopy; that was one intense wake up call.
What about you? Can you wake up on your own?
Or are you waiting for the wake up call?
TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE
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Hello Time Traveler!
How would you like to go back just 5 years from now and start your quit. Imagine that. Looking back 5 years and having the satisfaction of having beaten it, of having successfully putting it down and doing some serious and advantageous changes for your health. Think of all the money you would have saved. WeÂ’ve covered all the stupid things you do in recent posts, well you could look back on the previous 5 years with a solemn pride that you are a free man. WouldnÂ’t that be amazing?! Cause I can do that for you. Really.
Flash forward with me 5 years and look back on yourself today, right now, reading this, and decide to quit.
BOOM.
There ya go. Just gave your future self 5 years of freedom to look back on!
Nice traveling with you, please check the seat back pocket in front of you and watch yer head as you exit.
As always, thanks for travelling with KTC!
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Hello Time Traveler!
How would you like to go back just 5 years from now and start your quit. Imagine that. Looking back 5 years and having the satisfaction of having beaten it, of having successfully putting it down and doing some serious and advantageous changes for your health. Think of all the money you would have saved. WeÂ’ve covered all the stupid things you do in recent posts, well you could look back on the previous 5 years with a solemn pride that you are a free man. WouldnÂ’t that be amazing?! Cause I can do that for you. Really.
Flash forward with me 5 years and look back on yourself today, right now, reading this, and decide to quit.
BOOM.
There ya go. Just gave your future self 5 years of freedom to look back on!
Nice traveling with you, please check the seat back pocket in front of you and watch yer head as you exit.
As always, thanks for travelling with KTC!
I'm in, book me that seat. Just one little change. Lets go back 20 years invest in Google for that extra money. Now that we are living longer.
Better than that take me back 40 years so I can knock that tin out of my hand then punch myself right in the face.
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The addict mind.
It can and will rationalize ANYTHING.
ANY reason to justify the next fix is valid to the addict mind.
The addict mind runs on auto pilot UNTIL is is refused that fix.
You need to make a decision.
Do you want to quit for a couple of days.....or would you rather nicotine no longer played a role in your life?
Your life.
Your call.
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Hello Time Traveler!
How would you like to go back just 5 years from now and start your quit. Imagine that. Looking back 5 years and having the satisfaction of having beaten it, of having successfully putting it down and doing some serious and advantageous changes for your health. Think of all the money you would have saved. WeÂ’ve covered all the stupid things you do in recent posts, well you could look back on the previous 5 years with a solemn pride that you are a free man. WouldnÂ’t that be amazing?! Cause I can do that for you. Really.
Flash forward with me 5 years and look back on yourself today, right now, reading this, and decide to quit.
BOOM.
There ya go. Just gave your future self 5 years of freedom to look back on!
Nice traveling with you, please check the seat back pocket in front of you and watch yer head as you exit.
As always, thanks for travelling with KTC!
I'm in, book me that seat. Just one little change. Lets go back 20 years invest in Google for that extra money. Now that we are living longer.
Better than that take me back 40 years so I can knock that tin out of my hand then punch myself right in the face.
While we're at it, I've always been kinda partial to the Carribbean. Whaddaya say?
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http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
I think a lot of people fail because they don't understand what, exactly, they are dealing with.
I know I didn't. I hope you take time to read this. It explains just how sinister the addiction is.
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That was a great read from the link you put out there Athan thank you. My wife and I both read through it last night (after the WD and TD was over).
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That was a great read from the link you put out there Athan thank you. My wife and I both read through it last night (after the WD and TD was over).
Love that you've got your wife involved. Hear men complain about their wives sometimes and it's a downer. I'm guilty of it myself at times. Refreshing to hear a man lift up his bride for a change.
Great that she is involved in your quit!
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This is powerful in and of itself. Even more so as I come to understand the addiction on an intellectual level...
From a man who has purged nicotine from his life for over 1200 days:
100 days. 100 Words.
Prayer
Conscience
Blind
Mislead
Lies
Chains
Spit Cups
Bad Breath
Expensive
Selfish
Stink
Stained
Withdrawals
Shakes
Excuses
Stopping
Failing
Self medicating
Pre Cancer
Decay
Guilty
Procrastination
Exaggeration
Running
Avoiding
Sores
Scared
Tired
Lost
Mirror
Truth
Decision
Flush
Cold Turkey
Scared
Fog
Confused
72 hours
Mental
Anxiety
Out-of-body
Suck
Unfocused
Frustrated
Tears
KTC
Morning Roll
Promise
My Word
Integrity
Bumped Roll
Education
Answers
Addicts
Common Ground
PM's
Strangers
Friends
Quit Groups
FFF
Experience
Wisdom
Venting
Understanding
Confession
Support
Water
Sweat
Knowledge
Nic Bitch
Pissed off
Dreams
Mods
100%
Success
EDD
Relationships
Craves
Triggers
Digits
Chat
Accountability
Introductions
Newbies
Supporting
Healthy
Clear
Prepared
Brotherhood
Respect
Paying it Forward
Smiles
Trust
New identity
Thankful
Humbled
Blessed
Quit
ODAAT
Free
Answered Prayer
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http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
I think a lot of people fail because they don't understand what, exactly, they are dealing with.
I know I didn't. I hope you take time to read this. It explains just how sinister the addiction is.
Athan, that's some good stuff. Here are some more links for your arsenal:
Advice for Newbies (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9731191&t=11594875)
The Road Called Recovery (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9760421&t=11541810)
PAWs - The Two Year Phase of Withdrawal (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9771916&t=11541810)
The Law of Addiction (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9740764&t=11541810)
If you find them useful, great. My early quit was a period of discovery. I think it is for you too. Keep up the good work here!
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http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
I think a lot of people fail because they don't understand what, exactly, they are dealing with.
I know I didn't. I hope you take time to read this. It explains just how sinister the addiction is.
Athan, that's some good stuff. Here are some more links for your arsenal:
Advice for Newbies (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9731191&t=11594875)
The Road Called Recovery (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9760421&t=11541810)
PAWs - The Two Year Phase of Withdrawal (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9771916&t=11541810)
The Law of Addiction (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9740764&t=11541810)
If you find them useful, great. My early quit was a period of discovery. I think it is for you too. Keep up the good work here!
Thanks! Just found out about the notepad for storing just those things!
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The smell of Quit is strong.... In here!
Well done Athan... Sir.
Rawls 1212
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Comedian Ron White summed up a lot of us when he quipped, “…I had the right to remain silent, but I didn’t have the ability”
ItÂ’s funny because most if not all of us can relate to that directly or indirectly.
It generally conjures up a scene of someone not satisfied with just one foot in their mouth, theyÂ’re going for both legs up to the knee.
The gist of it though is the inability of someone who, although they recognize they are on a bad course, is either unwilling or unable to change direction. And thatÂ’s not funny. ThereÂ’s nothing funny about nicotine addiction.
IÂ’ve included some links in my signature from a friend on the site for your reading.
Prepare to have your eyes opened.
I hope you have the ability.
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Just an extra reason why to hate that nic bitch
The thing that still gets me is the negative effect of dip on my marriage.
How many times I've chosen dip over fucking my wife.
How many times I wasn't able to kiss my wife more intimately than a peck on the lips because of having a dip in
How, and this is a long one, my wife must have felt when I caved. I think on how I would feel if a brother here caves that I have only known for 2 months. Shit lets make it more intense lets say a brother here that I talk to frequently, daily, hourly...How betrayed I would feel, how pissed off I'd be. Over people I've never met face to face. Fuckin how pissed we all were at Danny for Lying about caving on roll for two days. Now putting myself in my wife's shoes. Thinking how she must have felt when I told her I'd quit, how I wasn't going to use anymore! and then a few months down the line my breath starts to stink a little bit like ass covered with toothpaste. and then seeing a couple of little flakes on my shirt, noticing my fingers are a little stained. Ask me about it "Oh no babe, I swear I'm still not dipping" Blatantly lying! watching me not even hide the cigarettes at the bars anymore, and one day coming home early to me with a dip in. And then hearing "It was just one! I swear i had a long day at work, here I'll throw out the can!" Another blatant lie and maybe she calls me on it so we have an argument that ends up with me yelling that she's taking this shit to seriously calm the fuck down it was just one!!! Then she finds a spitter in my truck cause I forgot we had to go to the grocery store after work and at this point I'm already to a dip on the drive home. Then another argument filled with lie after lie. And then I don't care anymore, truth comes out, she finds out I've been dipping behind her back and its a relief for me because now I don't have to hide it! But I don't pay attention to her face because all I care about is putting in a fatty. That runs through my head a lot lately. How many times I've done that to her. And how I would feel if skol caved. How I would feel if I found out Athan lied about caving by his admission. How I would feel if I could see them lying to me but couldn't call them on it. And I've known them for time measuring in days that haven't even hit triple digits yet.
How she must have hated my fucking guts.
Maybe its just me, but how much of a negative effect has my addiction had on the person I'm supposed to care the most about. How little have I cared about that until I've been put in her shoes. I dunno maybe you guys have a different relationship with your wives and have never put them through what I have put my wife through. Good for you guys. I dunno just wanted to re-post this here because it weighs on me. And I think that many of you guys that have done this to your wives should probably have this weigh on you as well. Also I'm probably hoping that some of you come clean and admit that they've put their wife through the same, because honestly I feel like a real cunt after typing that out.
I will never cave again. This site and my brothers will help me but after being on the other side of it in a minor way, can't even imagine the anger and betrayal I would feel if someone close to me caved. I will never do that to her again.
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Just an extra reason why to hate that nic bitch
The thing that still gets me is the negative effect of dip on my marriage.
How many times I've chosen dip over fucking my wife.
How many times I wasn't able to kiss my wife more intimately than a peck on the lips because of having a dip in
How, and this is a long one, my wife must have felt when I caved. I think on how I would feel if a brother here caves that I have only known for 2 months. Shit lets make it more intense lets say a brother here that I talk to frequently, daily, hourly...How betrayed I would feel, how pissed off I'd be. Over people I've never met face to face. Fuckin how pissed we all were at Danny for Lying about caving on roll for two days. Now putting myself in my wife's shoes. Thinking how she must have felt when I told her I'd quit, how I wasn't going to use anymore! and then a few months down the line my breath starts to stink a little bit like ass covered with toothpaste. and then seeing a couple of little flakes on my shirt, noticing my fingers are a little stained. Ask me about it "Oh no babe, I swear I'm still not dipping" Blatantly lying! watching me not even hide the cigarettes at the bars anymore, and one day coming home early to me with a dip in. And then hearing "It was just one! I swear i had a long day at work, here I'll throw out the can!" Another blatant lie and maybe she calls me on it so we have an argument that ends up with me yelling that she's taking this shit to seriously calm the fuck down it was just one!!! Then she finds a spitter in my truck cause I forgot we had to go to the grocery store after work and at this point I'm already to a dip on the drive home. Then another argument filled with lie after lie. And then I don't care anymore, truth comes out, she finds out I've been dipping behind her back and its a relief for me because now I don't have to hide it! But I don't pay attention to her face because all I care about is putting in a fatty. That runs through my head a lot lately. How many times I've done that to her. And how I would feel if skol caved. How I would feel if I found out Athan lied about caving by his admission. How I would feel if I could see them lying to me but couldn't call them on it. And I've known them for time measuring in days that haven't even hit triple digits yet.
How she must have hated my fucking guts.
Maybe its just me, but how much of a negative effect has my addiction had on the person I'm supposed to care the most about. How little have I cared about that until I've been put in her shoes. I dunno maybe you guys have a different relationship with your wives and have never put them through what I have put my wife through. Good for you guys. I dunno just wanted to re-post this here because it weighs on me. And I think that many of you guys that have done this to your wives should probably have this weigh on you as well. Also I'm probably hoping that some of you come clean and admit that they've put their wife through the same, because honestly I feel like a real cunt after typing that out.
I will never cave again. This site and my brothers will help me but after being on the other side of it in a minor way, can't even imagine the anger and betrayal I would feel if someone close to me caved. I will never do that to her again.
And the "truth comes out".....
Like looking in a mirror.
It's not just about the people we care about.
If my wife enjoyed.... that I dipped,
And she brought home a log of Copenhagen with a smile.
I'm Flushing it.
Truth is...... Tobacco will kill you.
Let the truth set you Free.
You don't NEED any OTHER guilty thoughts.
Stay quit.
Help others stay quit ODAAT.
I quit with you today JGrome.
Rawls 1212
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Just an extra reason why to hate that nic bitch
The thing that still gets me is the negative effect of dip on my marriage.
How many times I've chosen dip over fucking my wife.
How many times I wasn't able to kiss my wife more intimately than a peck on the lips because of having a dip in
How, and this is a long one, my wife must have felt when I caved. I think on how I would feel if a brother here caves that I have only known for 2 months. Shit lets make it more intense lets say a brother here that I talk to frequently, daily, hourly...How betrayed I would feel, how pissed off I'd be. Over people I've never met face to face. Fuckin how pissed we all were at Danny for Lying about caving on roll for two days. Now putting myself in my wife's shoes. Thinking how she must have felt when I told her I'd quit, how I wasn't going to use anymore! and then a few months down the line my breath starts to stink a little bit like ass covered with toothpaste. and then seeing a couple of little flakes on my shirt, noticing my fingers are a little stained. Ask me about it "Oh no babe, I swear I'm still not dipping" Blatantly lying! watching me not even hide the cigarettes at the bars anymore, and one day coming home early to me with a dip in. And then hearing "It was just one! I swear i had a long day at work, here I'll throw out the can!" Another blatant lie and maybe she calls me on it so we have an argument that ends up with me yelling that she's taking this shit to seriously calm the fuck down it was just one!!! Then she finds a spitter in my truck cause I forgot we had to go to the grocery store after work and at this point I'm already to a dip on the drive home. Then another argument filled with lie after lie. And then I don't care anymore, truth comes out, she finds out I've been dipping behind her back and its a relief for me because now I don't have to hide it! But I don't pay attention to her face because all I care about is putting in a fatty. That runs through my head a lot lately. How many times I've done that to her. And how I would feel if skol caved. How I would feel if I found out Athan lied about caving by his admission. How I would feel if I could see them lying to me but couldn't call them on it. And I've known them for time measuring in days that haven't even hit triple digits yet.
How she must have hated my fucking guts.
Maybe its just me, but how much of a negative effect has my addiction had on the person I'm supposed to care the most about. How little have I cared about that until I've been put in her shoes. I dunno maybe you guys have a different relationship with your wives and have never put them through what I have put my wife through. Good for you guys. I dunno just wanted to re-post this here because it weighs on me. And I think that many of you guys that have done this to your wives should probably have this weigh on you as well. Also I'm probably hoping that some of you come clean and admit that they've put their wife through the same, because honestly I feel like a real cunt after typing that out.
I will never cave again. This site and my brothers will help me but after being on the other side of it in a minor way, can't even imagine the anger and betrayal I would feel if someone close to me caved. I will never do that to her again.
And the "truth comes out".....
Like looking in a mirror.
It's not just about the people we care about.
If my wife enjoyed.... that I dipped,
And she brought home a log of Copenhagen with a smile.
I'm Flushing it.
Truth is...... Tobacco will kill you.
Let the truth set you Free.
You don't NEED any OTHER guilty thoughts.
Stay quit.
Help others stay quit ODAAT.
I quit with you today JGrome.
Rawls 1212
My problem is I've used that before "If I dip again I'll die" I caved. I need as many reasons to stay quit as I can come up with. Brothers here, the way my wife must have felt when I betrayed her, that I promised people I wouldn't today, that I'd probably get a severe ass beating if I did, etc etc etc.
The problem with only quitting cause it'll kill you, is you already knew that every time you buy the can. You knew its gonna kill you, you did it anyway. And one cave was Because it would eventually kill me that I bought the can. Nobody goes into dipping because they think its healthy.
Some people that might be enough, but I'm not one. I need backup reasons, if one reason fails me I've always got another. I'll take as many gut punches as I can handle to hate that shit more and more.
I quit with you today brother.
JGromo day 58
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"....The problem with only quitting cause it'll kill you, is you already knew that every time you buy the can..."
That's the insanity of addiction. Too true brother. I'm so with you. You're quit is my quit.
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Quit 10 days ago. Have no idea how to use this site. It's so frustrating. This is literally the only place I can find to type. bs
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I'm concerned how my wife feels at my funeral.
I have buried a friend and my father in law has had his tongue replaced with a muscle in his forearm. Eats three times a day though a tube in his stomach..... Marine tough. Will die soon.
I tried using "if I dip again. .. I'll die... Also!
Kept doing it.
Then I was in hospital for nine days with major lung issues and realized I could die.
Dieing Will wake you up.
Thinking of dieing may not.
Guess every person has different motivations to quit.
Mine were coming face to face with understanding the truth of life and death.
Appreciate your words.
May you find a 1000 reasons to quit!
You helped my quit today.
I quit with you.
Rawls out... 1213
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May you find a 1000 reasons to quit!
That's my new greeting.
Good morning, may you find a thousand reasons to quit today!
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Good morning, may you find a thousand reasons to quit today!
Is your lip shredded, does it hurt?
Mine doesnÂ’t
Does it stick out like the big lipped dogs of the Serengeti?
Mine doesnÂ’t
You still chasing the empty promise of the can?
IÂ’m not
You planning when the next fix will be?
IÂ’m not
You want to be free from dependency?
I AM.
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I am on day 12 and I have no intention of turning back now. It has been a long road and made my first mistake at just 16 years old. Now I am a 25 year old man who has had enough manipulation by nicotine. I grew up in a farming community where it is already a natural trend and lifestyle to begin with. Right after graduation I joined the Army and was in the Infantry for 4 years. Dipping honestly really did help in combat, we did not have many smokers because Taliban snipers were trained to aim for the cherry of the cigarette, so dip was the choice of us all for the most part. Sometimes when we were out of dip we would even rip cigarettes in half and put the dry tobacco buds in our mouth, we simply did this to stay awake. I am sure there are many other vets on here so we all know that story. I have been out since 2015 and have been in college ever since, now I am a junior and have even played D2 football for the past 3 years. Things were going great with trying to give up dipping until I walked on the football team, I guess the younger guys just made me feel "cool" again. It is coming up on almost a decade of me being manipulated by the tobacco industry and I have always had self motivation for myself. I think this time mentally I could honestly use a push. Instead of running 96 hours of recon missions at night I now find myself pushing out 10-15 page papers and a dip always helped me or was it? To top this all off cancer runs in my family and my mom is a medical professional in the oncology field. I look forward to hearing from you all.
Blessings, cheers to a addiction free life - Hendo
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I am on day 12 and I have no intention of turning back now. It has been a long road and made my first mistake at just 16 years old. Now I am a 25 year old man who has had enough manipulation by nicotine. I grew up in a farming community where it is already a natural trend and lifestyle to begin with. Right after graduation I joined the Army and was in the Infantry for 4 years. Dipping honestly really did help in combat, we did not have many smokers because Taliban snipers were trained to aim for the cherry of the cigarette, so dip was the choice of us all for the most part. Sometimes when we were out of dip we would even rip cigarettes in half and put the dry tobacco buds in our mouth, we simply did this to stay awake. I am sure there are many other vets on here so we all know that story. I have been out since 2015 and have been in college ever since, now I am a junior and have even played D2 football for the past 3 years. Things were going great with trying to give up dipping until I walked on the football team, I guess the younger guys just made me feel "cool" again. It is coming up on almost a decade of me being manipulated by the tobacco industry and I have always had self motivation for myself. I think this time mentally I could honestly use a push. Instead of running 96 hours of recon missions at night I now find myself pushing out 10-15 page papers and a dip always helped me or was it? To top this all off cancer runs in my family and my mom is a medical professional in the oncology field. I look forward to hearing from you all.
Blessings, cheers to a addiction free life - Hendo
Good morning! I hope you find a thousand reasons to quit today.
Welcome aboard. Attack submarines 8 years, 10 mos, 26 days. The novelty wore off so I got out (in '96).
I've got some links in my signature. They're useful. As a combat veteran I expect you to know the value of knowing your enemy.
Knowledge is power, ignorance is terribly expensive.
Just sent you my digits.
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The FDA just moved to limit the amount of nicotine in cigarettes
http://ti.me/2pcHvMe (http://ti.me/2pcHvMe)
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Are you enjoying good health today? Think about that for a second.
In a way, youÂ’re like a fish thatÂ’s not cognizant that itÂ’s wet. ThatÂ’s all itÂ’s ever known.
So it is for us who are born healthy; we tend to take it for granted.
To go on using with full knowledge of the risks involved is to squander the good health youÂ’ve been blessed with.
I tell you the truth, right now this very day, there is someone in your community who would trade places with you in a second simply to have your health.
IÂ’m willing to bet they wouldnÂ’t squander it on tobacco.
I hope you find a thousand reasons to quit today.
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WeÂ’ve discussed a few times the excuses for not quitting.
Today IÂ’d like us to explore this from the angle of WHY you put one in.
Note that itÂ’s singular, not plural like excuses.
I know, you’re saying, “geez Athan, there’s a million good reasons. Like how the steak is retroactively better if I throw a chew in after it. Or how I am really in the zone putting in that last 100 feet of fence or splitting that last cord of wood, etc. etc.”
I hear you. I was there not long ago.
What you are experiencing is the addict mind and its association with the many facets of your life that nicotine has attached itself to.
The only reason you put one in is because youÂ’re an addict.
IÂ’m here to tell you that it doesnÂ’t have to be that way.
You werenÂ’t born with a chew in; you enjoyed life before it.
You can enjoy life without it again.
All it takes is a decision.
I hope you find a thousand reasons to quit today!
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“…And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again…”
Get a piece of paper and a pencil. Really, go ahead and get it, IÂ’ll wait.
ThereÂ’s something profound in the tangible written word. LetÂ’s play a little fill in the blankÂ….
I have been dipping for ______________ years
Post that where you can see it DAILY.
If you join us, youÂ’ll post your quit and how many days youÂ’re quit DAILY.
ThereÂ’s something profound in the tangible written wordÂ….
I hope you find a thousand reasons to quit today!
P.S. Time is not on your side
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Freedom.
ItÂ’s NOT fumbling with anxiety because your running low or out.
ItÂ’s a lip and gumline NOT shredded
ItÂ’s NOT dodging my wife or children to savor a fatty
ItÂ’s NOT waiting in line at the convenience store to get a can
ItÂ’s NOT driving across town to get a chew
ItÂ’s NOT making excuses to go out so I can stock up
ItÂ’s NOT sneaking a dip at work
Freedom IS peace
I hope you find a thousand reasons to quit today
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
bravo sir - congrats!
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
bravo sir - congrats!
Thanks. Day 3 has been horrid.
I thought I’d need to be institutionalized earlier — thought I was going insane. I am so out of it, mentally. It’s been a truly hard day. On the brink of just losing my shit.
WhatÂ’s odd is I get clarity when i start to write, like right now. It reminds me that I am still sane. IÂ’ll grab onto that with all I got.
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
bravo sir - congrats!
Thanks. Day 3 has been horrid.
I thought I’d need to be institutionalized earlier — thought I was going insane. I am so out of it, mentally. It’s been a truly hard day. On the brink of just losing my shit.
WhatÂ’s odd is I get clarity when i start to write, like right now. It reminds me that I am still sane. IÂ’ll grab onto that with all I got.
IÂ’m feeling the same as you! Almost to the end of day 3! I feel like a crazy person. I told my wife earlier that I felt crazy and it made me feel so much better saying it out loud. IÂ’m not sure IÂ’m posting this correctly... IÂ’m sure this will get better soon.
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
bravo sir - congrats!
Thanks. Day 3 has been horrid.
I thought I’d need to be institutionalized earlier — thought I was going insane. I am so out of it, mentally. It’s been a truly hard day. On the brink of just losing my shit.
WhatÂ’s odd is I get clarity when i start to write, like right now. It reminds me that I am still sane. IÂ’ll grab onto that with all I got.
IÂ’m feeling the same as you! Almost to the end of day 3! I feel like a crazy person. I told my wife earlier that I felt crazy and it made me feel so much better saying it out loud. IÂ’m not sure IÂ’m posting this correctly... IÂ’m sure this will get better soon.
That's great. What your feeling is normal. You've been poisoning yourself on a regular basis. Your body is adjusting as it should.
I want you to copy and paste what you wrote in your intro. Part of embracing the suck is chronicling it for yourself and others to refer back to.
Writing it out as you are pays big dividends to your sanity. Post it here, your intro, in your group or all three and keep doing it; it's VERY therapeutic and healthy for your mental and emotional state while you go through withdrawal.
check your inbox for my digits.
I quit with you today! (IQWYT)
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Day 2 is about to come to a close for me. I am so ready for day 3.
Nicotine free!!!
bravo sir - congrats!
Thanks. Day 3 has been horrid.
I thought I’d need to be institutionalized earlier — thought I was going insane. I am so out of it, mentally. It’s been a truly hard day. On the brink of just losing my shit.
WhatÂ’s odd is I get clarity when i start to write, like right now. It reminds me that I am still sane. IÂ’ll grab onto that with all I got.
IÂ’m feeling the same as you! Almost to the end of day 3! I feel like a crazy person. I told my wife earlier that I felt crazy and it made me feel so much better saying it out loud. IÂ’m not sure IÂ’m posting this correctly... IÂ’m sure this will get better soon.
I found Days 3 and 4 were the hardest for me to get through. I really thought I was going to snap on Day 4, but I held firm. I walked/jogged 6 miles on Day 4. That helped me tremendously. I highly recommend exercise if you aren't already doing it. I also cut open a K-Cup on Day 4 and shoved all of the coffee grounds in my lip. I am not proud of that. I did it in a moment of weakness. The coffee grounds did not help at all and it damn near made me sick from the caffeine rush. I do not recommend doing that, but it did momentarily take my mind off of having a dip.
And then a funny thing happened. I woke up on Day 5 and felt much better. The nicotine was completely out of my system. I still had the occasional headache for another week or so, and my sleep patterns were off for a few more nights. But, Day 4 really was the last day that completely sucked for me. I am now at Day 75 and I feel fantastic. I still think about chew every day, but I don't miss it right now. I might miss it tomorrow but I will worry about that when tomorrow comes.
I still feel a bit crazy at Day 75, but in a good way. I talk to myself way more now than I ever did before I stopped using tobacco. But that is okay because I enjoy the company. roflmao
Hang tight! You guys got this! IQWYT!
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When told the volley of Persian arrows was so great that it blocked out the sun, Dienekes replied, “good, we can have our fight in the shade!”
Men can utter such things in the face of such incomprehensible odds because they know that they are part of something greater than themselves.
So it is with the quit.
You can chew a whole sleeve tomorrow if it pleases you, but not today.
For today you gave me your word that you would not.
You are now bound to me and to your brothers in quit by your word.
In case no one told you, thatÂ’s a very big deal.
What is a man if he has no integrity? Do you not know that your words and deeds live longer than you do? Are you unaware that your successes and failures reverberate into the spheres of those around you?
Take heart then my brothers, for you stand shoulder to shoulder with champions.
Come, join us, let us quit in the shade!
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Hey everyone, 28 hours into my quit. Im a young guy, so far nothing too bad. Ive been dipping a tin or more a day for the past two years. Really pissed I let myself get that bad. I figure its only gonna get harder to quit the longer I wait. Ive started to notice small brown spots, my gums feel weird, and Ive been getting cavities. Did anyone else experience awful oral hygeine decline from just their first two years? Its all scaring the shit out of me, I know Im probably just paranoid but still I feel like I have done so much damage already.
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Hey everyone, 28 hours into my quit. Im a young guy, so far nothing too bad. Ive been dipping a tin or more a day for the past two years. Really pissed I let myself get that bad. I figure its only gonna get harder to quit the longer I wait. Ive started to notice small brown spots, my gums feel weird, and Ive been getting cavities. Did anyone else experience awful oral hygeine decline from just their first two years? Its all scaring the shit out of me, I know Im probably just paranoid but still I feel like I have done so much damage already.
The state of your oral hygiene is a function of many variables, none of which is aided by the use of tobacco. You are rightly concerned about your health as nicotine is just one of many toxins you've been ingesting.
Have you posted roll yet? It's really simple: you sign in every morning and promise not to use for today. Tomorrow can take care of itself.
We can talk about the dentist later, focus on your quit for the next 24 hours.
My info is in your inbox.
Proud to be quit with you today!
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In retrospect, I think I hate the addict behavior more than I hate the adverse health effects of nicotine.
I think it more worthy of contempt than the use itself.
It is with profound sadness and pity that I now look upon you who use.
It is as if your eyes are cloaked with scales and you cannot grasp that freedom is so close, so very close; only a decision away. You need only reach out and claim it.
I leave you with the words of a man 10 years free. I scarce have seen so much wisdom packed into so few words:
“Ready - Day 3,704
I've been quit on this site for over ten years. I've had the privilege and honor of being asked to serve as both a mod and an admin. I'm still baffled by how well this place works if you are ready to quit. This place works.
Be advised, there is no magic pill and there is no cure.
But there is freedom to be had here. If your word of honor means something, you too can quit.
Post roll giving your word for today that you will not use nicotine in any way, shape or form. Keep your word. Whatever it takes.
You will find the help here you need. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people that understand exactly what you are going through. Most of them will drop whatever they are doing to help you stay quit. All of this and it's free too!
The knowledge and insight on this site can not be equaled anywhere.
If you are reading this, you may be contemplating quitting. Just know that you are not alone. We know! We can help. But you must do the heavy lifting. We can't quit for you. We will quit with you.
I don't think you can imagine right now how great your quality of life can be. You probably do not realize how much nicotine has taken from you. You may not want to hear this, but you are a slave. And you as well as friends and loved ones are suffering for your addiction.
You can quit!
You will not regret it!
It will be one of the hardest things you have ever done. It will also be one of the most rewarding things you have ever done.
It's going to suck for awhile (you will pay the price) but your freedom is worth it!”
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In retrospect, I think I hate the addict behavior more than I hate the adverse health effects of nicotine.
I think it more worthy of contempt than the use itself.
It is with profound sadness and pity that I now look upon you who use.
It is as if your eyes are cloaked with scales and you cannot grasp that freedom is so close, so very close; only a decision away. You need only reach out and claim it.
I leave you with the words of a man 10 years free. I scarce have seen so much wisdom packed into so few words:
“Ready - Day 3,704
I've been quit on this site for over ten years. I've had the privilege and honor of being asked to serve as both a mod and an admin. I'm still baffled by how well this place works if you are ready to quit. This place works.
Be advised, there is no magic pill and there is no cure.
But there is freedom to be had here. If your word of honor means something, you too can quit.
Post roll giving your word for today that you will not use nicotine in any way, shape or form. Keep your word. Whatever it takes.
You will find the help here you need. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people that understand exactly what you are going through. Most of them will drop whatever they are doing to help you stay quit. All of this and it's free too!
The knowledge and insight on this site can not be equaled anywhere.
If you are reading this, you may be contemplating quitting. Just know that you are not alone. We know! We can help. But you must do the heavy lifting. We can't quit for you. We will quit with you.
I don't think you can imagine right now how great your quality of life can be. You probably do not realize how much nicotine has taken from you. You may not want to hear this, but you are a slave. And you as well as friends and loved ones are suffering for your addiction.
You can quit!
You will not regret it!
It will be one of the hardest things you have ever done. It will also be one of the most rewarding things you have ever done.
It's going to suck for awhile (you will pay the price) but your freedom is worth it!”
Amen !
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From JGromo. April '18, page 1044, post #15648.
*** THE MOST EPIC OF QUITS ***
"This has meaning to me, I thought I would share it here with my brothers to remind some of you that you need more than to post your name on some forum every morning. This isn't about promising a bunch of strangers that you wont do something. This is about building a brotherhood of people that know what you are going through and know how serious a light statement in a text can be.
This is my new day one.
I've failed April, my friends and myself.
I have to answer the three questions and quit again.
I've broken my promise.
That could be how this post would go if I didn't use the tools this site has given me for my quit last night. I honestly dont know if I'd have caved last night without Bryce's call. I do know I'd have started a count down to the above post. I do know that I'd be lying every time I posted roll to my brothers if I hadn't reached out and if I hadn't had a brother that would reach back and pull me from the cliffs edge.
Yesterday was an amazing day, I woke up at 4am with so much drive and willpower I felt fucking amazing. I put in 3 hours cleaning the house before I even went to work. At work I kicked ass I put away the load I set up a couple good sized accounts and I handled my shit well. When I got home I still had that drive and fire to get shit done so I started going through boxes in the attic, I've been putting this off for years and it felt fucking amazing working on them finally. Plus going through boxes of my grandfathers stuff brought up some awesome memories of the time I'd spent with him, hunting trips when I found his weird collection of spent shells, Football and baseball games when I found his box of plaques and trophies for all the records he held and all the important games he'd won, That picture of him with my varsity cheerleaders from my senior year game against his old high school. Great fucking memories. A cuban cigar! Oh I remembered how he loved the cuban's, smoking cigars, I could take it out and it was still pristine! It smelt just like I remember him in my youth. Man it was still fresh, this little tube did wonders at holding up its condition. What a great tribute when should I smoke this? Oh my god, me and dad could smoke this on Fathers day at the cemetery! I'll surprise him with it when we get there and we can stand in the family crypt and fill it with the smells of my grandfather and get one more strong bonding memory with him. A last gift, if you will, from beyond the grave.
The grave...
God those last years were rough on him, he had more good days than bad for the first few years. That scare when I was 10 and he almost died in the grand ol opry...But then he hung on to see me through high school. And he had a lot of good days, maybe not as many as the bad, but when he wasn't in the hospital he was pretty good still...not himself anymore, never really himself besides a handful of glimpses...but he wasn't begging for death...Until he was. Those last few years. My grandmother clinging him to life, afraid of being alone. All the scares, how many times did I stand over him in the hospital thinking that this was it? Dozens? Watching him somehow pull through again and again. Get worse and worse with each trip to the hospital. He died years before his body gave up. Ghost of the man he was in my youth and teens. Hearing him scream at the poor nurses and caregivers to "Fucking kill me already!" and then when it stopped being screaming and shouting. when I heard it switch from that fire and anger and that strength that stubborn man always had to begging it was crushing. No more yelling just a quiet whimper to "please...please kill me?" And then he passed...finally...he wasn't hurting anymore.
And there I am standing with this awesome tribute to him, his murderer in my hand. Already planning the smoke I'm going to have with it with my father, his youngest son. How I'm just going to give in and fail my quit, to give him "tribute" by letting myself become another victim to the devil that killed him, not killed him, killing him would be merciful compared to what nicotine did to him, he was fucking tortured. 15 years of fucking torture before his body finally broke and let him die.
I wish I could say I had those thoughts on my own, I wish I could say that I was strong enough to rip that fucking thing apart by myself...but those thoughts didn't come. I spent minutes romanticizing and imagining smoking the cigar, I didn't even think of the site, I didn't think of my quit I didn't think of my wife, my future kids, my brothers on here! I grabbed my phone excitedly about to text mom and tell her what I'd found that I had the best surprise for dad ever for fathers day!
My eyes fell on the group chat I've got going with mike, bryce and athan. It wasn't a strong pull. But I felt a slight tug at my conscience I'd made a promise to these guys. I'd told them I wouldn't. Well its not like I'm smoking it right now. I stare at the group chat and the tug gets slightly stronger. Its almost like I'm asking myself what the fuck am I doing? But in a quiet voice. Deffinitely 95% still happy go lucky holy shit I'm gonna smoke this cigar this will be awesome. But just a little 5%...just enough to send out an SOS...I honestly didn't mean to tell them, it wasn't a "Oh god what am I DOING!?" scream for help. Most of me was completely back to addict mindstate. But...that 5% was growing, not that I was going to destroy the cigar mind you. But I'm pretty sure I could have tricked myself into thinking that I could just give the cigar to my dad on my own, I mean he should at least get it.
Then that fathers day would have come and my dad would have handed me the cigar and I'd have toked on it regardless of what I had promised myself back in March. Because how could I refuse that when it was staring me in the face, I could barely refuse it when its still months out.
Again, thoughts I wish I'd have had the strength to have on my own. But I did have the strength to shoot out one quiet lonely plea for help. to a group of guys I was 90% sure were asleep. I didn't call...I just texted...I might have called if dad had offered me the cigar...I might have had the strength to refuse...but...We all know I wouldn't have. I'm weak...I am an addict. I didn't want to not smoke the cigar, I wanted to trick that 5% into shutting up, trick myself into thinking I had everything under control.
This wasn't a "HELP I'M GOING TO CAVE!" text...all I said was "I just found a cuban cigar in my grandfathers possessions in pristine condition..." For those of you that know me, you know cigars have and always will be my weakness, I don't want to not smoke cigars. I never viewed them on the same playing field as dip and cigarettes until coming to this site, and if we are being completely honest there is still a large portion of my brain that doesn't. So this, not just cigar...this Cuban... My weakest of weakest points...A portion of my addiction I already romanticize its importance to me. Add on to that one last strong memory of my grandfather. Probably the last I would ever have of such clarity. Add on top of that the bonding moment with my father to smoke his fathers last cigar ever...That 5% resistance had become 10% just long enough to shoot out that text is now gone with that thought.
Bryce is calling....
Ignore it...I can almost feel a fog coming over me. I can feel that resistance start to re-surge after seeing that someone cares about my quit enough to wake themselves up and call me in the middle of their night to make sure I'm quit, one of the few people on the planet that knows me well enough and knows the struggle well enough to know my mindset is gone there's no strength left in my quit its been bulldozed. Luckily that quiet call for help is answered, and as I bend my knees to leap from the cliff an arm shoots out to drag me away from failure.
Ignore the call you know what it will be...
Do I jump and rip myself from the help that is being offered or do I accept the support?
If I ignore this call I seal it...I'm gonna cave...I'm gonna cave?
I answer.
My brothers support is the only thing that kept me from diving off that cliff back into the waiting loving arms of my grandfathers murderer. Letting myself take one step closer to my own future grandsons having to watch that fucking Nicotine Bitch torture me until my body can't handle it anymore and I die slowly in front of them. Ruining their memory of me.
Skol talked me back from that cliff. Five minutes of mostly fog. The internal struggle with him in my corner. Until I fought through it. We fought through it. Finally it was 95% resistance and 5% desire to smoke. We got off the phone and before I could lose that will power I shredded it and flushed it down the toilet.
Once it was flushed the realization hit. Hard...How close I came to caving...had I? It felt like I had, I'd decided to. isn't that the same thing? It really showed me that I was weak. I couldn't do it on my own. I opened the tube, I smelt it and felt it and envisioned smoking it. I didn't immediately ask for help, I didn't even want help. I didn't even know I needed help for the first minutes.
If I can refuse this cigar...I can refuse any cigar, there will never be a more tempting cigar I can envision. Unless my father with his dying moments hand rolls a cigar out of tobacco he grew and asked me to smoke it in his memory...I can not picture any stronger temptation.
I need to remember that I nearly put an expiration date on my quit. I would have if that cigar wasn't in the sewer right now. I would have if a brother hadn't given me a call without hesitation. "
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This is from the April Â’18 quit group. These are the ones who tried and failed.
Check out the names. Some of them tell a story. ItÂ’s not just chatroom monikers.
Behind each name is a man devoured by an addiction; A human being tortured and afflicted but not willing or able to turn away.
Check out Gumzbleed. This one haunts me. HereÂ’s a man unable to master himself or the addiction in spite of tremendous physical pain and visible precancerous symptoms.
How about Notreadytodie. He wasnÂ’t able to quit either.
I watched some of these men cross the threshold to KTC. Welcomed them with digits and open arms.
Still they deserted. They loved the can more than their families.
This list is more deeply stirring to my blood than posting daily with my brothers.
This isnÂ’t some kind of game. It really is a matter of life or death.
Do your gums bleed? Are you not ready to die?
What is it going to take? Really, what is it going to take?
April ‘18
12.7x99
MNcold
Notreadytodie
Kobeertx
Mhill22
Gumzbleed
GoJo914
Walkerm
Gunnernick
Mike T
Rheck4096
Jackn04
Brandon785
Keith B
BPM
73D
CDH0059
Pureblood
Hugh Jass
Randi
Bphillips013
ryanp41
Shawnatony
EOEO
pr0123
Angryamerican
Tider
Lmr2096
Marcabby
Tbrown
OX
Dcquitter
Hammer Hands
Thefaceless13
Rheleaf
Sox_Fan
StateGuy
Reegs
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".....in simplest terms, the primary difference between a habit and an addiction....
Is that a person is ultimately in control of a habit.While an addiction is in control of the person...."
I didn't pen that, wish I did.
A clarification if I may, for the slow, tobacco use isn't a habit.
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We are addicts.
WeÂ’re in the business of quitting here ladies and gentlemen.
We donÂ’t do excuses.
Why?
Because with the addict any excuse will do.
Who will be the arbiter of excuses if we go down that road? You? Me? The man who fell?
No. That door would never close.
We donÂ’t do excuses.
WeÂ’re in the business of quitting here.
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Ive been quit for 60 days today, still having multiple side effects, TMJ.... is this normal???
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Ive been quit for 60 days today, still having multiple side effects, TMJ.... is this normal???
yep. 100% normal.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sy ... -dip-chew/ (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/)
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Ive been quit for 60 days today, still having multiple side effects, TMJ.... is this normal???
yep. 100% normal.
https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sy ... -dip-chew/ (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/symptoms-of-quitting-dip-chew/)
congrats on 60 days quit. That is awesome. Why not come quit with us and post roll. This shit is hard, no need to do it alone. I think 60 days ago would put you in the May 2018 Pre HOF month. Hope to see you there. 440 days quit today for me...
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Funny how two people can witness the same thing yet perceive different realities.
You see a habit youÂ’re in control of
I see an addict controlled by a substance
You see a can
I see yet another iteration in an endless line
You see $5
I see thousands of dollars
You see tobacco
I see over 30 chemicals, some of them radioactive, among which is nicotine, guaranteed to keep you coming back
You see pleasure
I see pain
You see the individual experience
I see a father imparting death upon his son
You see reasons
I see excuses
The fact is you canÂ’t see because youÂ’re blinded by addiction.
You have to give up the can to see clearly.
You have to kill the can.
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Accountability.
It can be painful in the short term.
Lack of it will destroy a man in the long haul.
You will exercise it here, that and your honor and your integrity.
You will forge them in the fire of your quit and you will emerge a better man for it.
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Back again :( This shit is so hard and I just let my guard down for one....
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Back again :( This shit is so hard and I just let my guard down for one.... 5 years down the drain
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Back again :( This shit is so hard and I just let my guard down for one.... 5 years down the drain
Um... what? Not something to smile about.
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First post introducing myself and hoping to get some tips/advice to help me quit nicotine for good. I am 34 yrs old and have dipped on and off since I was about 15. Also smoked cigarettes for several years during this time period but recently quit that for good several months back and plan on always being smoke free the rest of my life. I know that I am an addict and know that it is a problem I have to face head on and quit forever. I own my own business so can basically dip whenever I choose and my wife is somewhat accepting of it at home so there is no real pressures to quit besides me having to do this for myself. It has affected my work, my health, my confidence, and is just a terrible drug that I continue to keep using day in and day out with no quitting goal in sight which is scary to me. I have primarily used dip to help me focus and concentrate when working but any benefits I might get from that are very little compared to all of the negative ways it impacts other areas of my life so I got to man up and stop forever. My wife and I are pregnant with our first child and I am not going to be a nicotine addict when I become a father.
I have gum, sugar free candies, access to nictotine free mint leaf pouches, etc if any of that might help me. I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end. Not ready to post on any roll calls lists yet or join any quit groups on here right away as I would just like to get a few responses from members on here with any advice/tips that might assist me along the quitting process before I set a quit date. What worked for me with the cigarettes quitting was making a promise to my wife I would never smoke again and it was easy as that. But I have actually promised her I would quit dipping and could not even follow through with that is one big reason I know I have a problem here and need to address it asap. Thanks in advance for any help.
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I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end.
It's mind over matter when breaking a bad habit like biting your nails.
We're dealing with addiction here. You will be battling your own mind, your own thoughts and desires.
There are some helpful links in my signature. Educate yourself, be a student of your quit. Knowledge is power.
Ignorance is terribly expensive.
Any fool can quit on his own.....for a time. It's staying quit that counts.
I strongly encourage you to jump into a month (July would be yours) and start posting roll. A lot to the site. Take what you need, leave the rest.
Sent you my digits.
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If I had to distill it down to one descriptive word, it would be distortion.
The addiction distorts the userÂ’s perception of reality; twists it into dependency.
The distortion is that nicotine enhances life experiences.
By effecting the release of dopamine in the brain, it becomes the central experience; the lens through which life is viewed, the context upon which other experiences are weighed.
And because this occurs in the brain; it is intrinsic to the mind. It is for this reason I tell you that what you are dealing with is NOT mind over matter but LIFE over ADDICTION.
This is why accountability groups are so successful; an objective third party to counterbalance the addicts own brain when struggling with desire for the next fix.
Yes, it's true, a real man can quit on his own, but only a fool does it needlessly.
More often than not, the fool fails.
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First post introducing myself and hoping to get some tips/advice to help me quit nicotine for good. I am 34 yrs old and have dipped on and off since I was about 15. Also smoked cigarettes for several years during this time period but recently quit that for good several months back and plan on always being smoke free the rest of my life. I know that I am an addict and know that it is a problem I have to face head on and quit forever. I own my own business so can basically dip whenever I choose and my wife is somewhat accepting of it at home so there is no real pressures to quit besides me having to do this for myself. It has affected my work, my health, my confidence, and is just a terrible drug that I continue to keep using day in and day out with no quitting goal in sight which is scary to me. I have primarily used dip to help me focus and concentrate when working but any benefits I might get from that are very little compared to all of the negative ways it impacts other areas of my life so I got to man up and stop forever. My wife and I are pregnant with our first child and I am not going to be a nicotine addict when I become a father.
I have gum, sugar free candies, access to nictotine free mint leaf pouches, etc if any of that might help me. I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end. Not ready to post on any roll calls lists yet or join any quit groups on here right away as I would just like to get a few responses from members on here with any advice/tips that might assist me along the quitting process before I set a quit date. What worked for me with the cigarettes quitting was making a promise to my wife I would never smoke again and it was easy as that. But I have actually promised her I would quit dipping and could not even follow through with that is one big reason I know I have a problem here and need to address it asap. Thanks in advance for any help.
The special sauce at KTC is accountability. It is making a promise to a band of brothers and sisters and keeping it...one day at a time. Then renewing the process the next day. And the next. When someone says they aren't ready to put their name on roll - they are telling me that they are still looking for an escape hatch. Get serious, slayer. This is not a game - this is your life.
Put your name and day count and promise on roll NOW - and let's get this quit going. You will never regret taking back your freedom. Never.
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First post introducing myself and hoping to get some tips/advice to help me quit nicotine for good. I am 34 yrs old and have dipped on and off since I was about 15. Also smoked cigarettes for several years during this time period but recently quit that for good several months back and plan on always being smoke free the rest of my life. I know that I am an addict and know that it is a problem I have to face head on and quit forever. I own my own business so can basically dip whenever I choose and my wife is somewhat accepting of it at home so there is no real pressures to quit besides me having to do this for myself. It has affected my work, my health, my confidence, and is just a terrible drug that I continue to keep using day in and day out with no quitting goal in sight which is scary to me. I have primarily used dip to help me focus and concentrate when working but any benefits I might get from that are very little compared to all of the negative ways it impacts other areas of my life so I got to man up and stop forever. My wife and I are pregnant with our first child and I am not going to be a nicotine addict when I become a father.
I have gum, sugar free candies, access to nictotine free mint leaf pouches, etc if any of that might help me. I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end. Not ready to post on any roll calls lists yet or join any quit groups on here right away as I would just like to get a few responses from members on here with any advice/tips that might assist me along the quitting process before I set a quit date. What worked for me with the cigarettes quitting was making a promise to my wife I would never smoke again and it was easy as that. But I have actually promised her I would quit dipping and could not even follow through with that is one big reason I know I have a problem here and need to address it asap. Thanks in advance for any help.
The special sauce at KTC is accountability. It is making a promise to a band of brothers and sisters and keeping it...one day at a time. Then renewing the process the next day. And the next. When someone says they aren't ready to put their name on roll - they are telling me that they are still looking for an escape hatch. Get serious, slayer. This is not a game - this is your life.
Put your name and day count and promise on roll NOW - and let's get this quit going. You will never regret taking back your freedom. Never.
Slayer I am 9 days quit. Post roll with the July Group. I had all the concerns you had plus some. Post roll and we can talk some more!
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
Had the same dream last night. I enjoyed it so much and then all of a sudden I realized that I broke my roll promise. I was pissed until I realized that it was only a nightmare. Not going to happen.
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
Had the same dream last night. I enjoyed it so much and then all of a sudden I realized that I broke my roll promise. I was pissed until I realized that it was only a nightmare. Not going to happen.
Yeah, I don't know why they call them "dreams"... they really are more like nightmares!
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I actually dreamed about the shit last night. Dreamed I put a pinch in and savored it. Even there in my sleep I felt the shame. I can't believe it invades my sleep!
Had the same dream last night. I enjoyed it so much and then all of a sudden I realized that I broke my roll promise. I was pissed until I realized that it was only a nightmare. Not going to happen.
Wait until Kate Upton sidles up to you. She's pulling that lotion bottle out of the side of her bikini like a colt from a holster. And drips it onto her toned body. She swings her head and her locks of hair fall over her right shoulder and she flashes you those eyes.
She leans in to give you a big fat kiss and then you see it, she's sportin a fatty of Copenhagen long cut.....
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First post introducing myself and hoping to get some tips/advice to help me quit nicotine for good. I am 34 yrs old and have dipped on and off since I was about 15. Also smoked cigarettes for several years during this time period but recently quit that for good several months back and plan on always being smoke free the rest of my life. I know that I am an addict and know that it is a problem I have to face head on and quit forever. I own my own business so can basically dip whenever I choose and my wife is somewhat accepting of it at home so there is no real pressures to quit besides me having to do this for myself. It has affected my work, my health, my confidence, and is just a terrible drug that I continue to keep using day in and day out with no quitting goal in sight which is scary to me. I have primarily used dip to help me focus and concentrate when working but any benefits I might get from that are very little compared to all of the negative ways it impacts other areas of my life so I got to man up and stop forever. My wife and I are pregnant with our first child and I am not going to be a nicotine addict when I become a father.
I have gum, sugar free candies, access to nictotine free mint leaf pouches, etc if any of that might help me. I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end. Not ready to post on any roll calls lists yet or join any quit groups on here right away as I would just like to get a few responses from members on here with any advice/tips that might assist me along the quitting process before I set a quit date. What worked for me with the cigarettes quitting was making a promise to my wife I would never smoke again and it was easy as that. But I have actually promised her I would quit dipping and could not even follow through with that is one big reason I know I have a problem here and need to address it asap. Thanks in advance for any help.
The special sauce at KTC is accountability. It is making a promise to a band of brothers and sisters and keeping it...one day at a time. Then renewing the process the next day. And the next. When someone says they aren't ready to put their name on roll - they are telling me that they are still looking for an escape hatch. Get serious, slayer. This is not a game - this is your life.
Put your name and day count and promise on roll NOW - and let's get this quit going. You will never regret taking back your freedom. Never.
Slayer I am 9 days quit. Post roll with the July Group. I had all the concerns you had plus some. Post roll and we can talk some more!
Slayer I couldn't have said it any better than FLLIP did for you. Every single person posting roll here thought "I can do it on my own" in the past. The real difference is the accountability here. In my first couple months here, I would have caved except for the people in my group and some veterans that talked me off the ledge. Yesterday I posted day 1000.
It sounds hokey and I don't blame you for being skeptical, but this place works. I tried to quit 100 times on my own and even made it a couple months before. In the end, I wasn't strong enough to stay quit by myself. Not for my wife, not for my kids and not for me. I needed some like-minded addicts to hold me accountable before it really stuck.
You won't regret it. Post roll. Get some accountability and get some quit. It's worth it, I promise.
King
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I am on day 12 and I have no intention of turning back now. It has been a long road and made my first mistake at just 16 years old. Now I am a 25 year old man who has had enough manipulation by nicotine. I grew up in a farming community where it is already a natural trend and lifestyle to begin with. Right after graduation I joined the Army and was in the Infantry for 4 years. Dipping honestly really did help in combat, we did not have many smokers because Taliban snipers were trained to aim for the cherry of the cigarette, so dip was the choice of us all for the most part. Sometimes when we were out of dip we would even rip cigarettes in half and put the dry tobacco buds in our mouth, we simply did this to stay awake. I am sure there are many other vets on here so we all know that story. I have been out since 2015 and have been in college ever since, now I am a junior and have even played D2 football for the past 3 years. Things were going great with trying to give up dipping until I walked on the football team, I guess the younger guys just made me feel "cool" again. It is coming up on almost a decade of me being manipulated by the tobacco industry and I have always had self motivation for myself. I think this time mentally I could honestly use a push. Instead of running 96 hours of recon missions at night I now find myself pushing out 10-15 page papers and a dip always helped me or was it? To top this all off cancer runs in my family and my mom is a medical professional in the oncology field. I look forward to hearing from you all.
Blessings, cheers to a addiction free life - Hendo
This guy never came back. He came right up to the gate, assessed the situation, but in the end the can was stronger.
Are you in the same situation? Is the addiction nagging at you? Are you torn between your desire for the nicotine and the desire to be free?
You can't have both.
....Freedom is better. A lot better.
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"Hoot": When I go home people'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a xxx word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.
Until you invest in your brothers quit, until you ask him to invest in yours, you haven't scratched the surface of what happens here. If you can't do that, you're short changing yourself.
Nothing strengthens my quit like helping my brother out.
Nothing.
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First post introducing myself and hoping to get some tips/advice to help me quit nicotine for good. I am 34 yrs old and have dipped on and off since I was about 15. Also smoked cigarettes for several years during this time period but recently quit that for good several months back and plan on always being smoke free the rest of my life. I know that I am an addict and know that it is a problem I have to face head on and quit forever. I own my own business so can basically dip whenever I choose and my wife is somewhat accepting of it at home so there is no real pressures to quit besides me having to do this for myself. It has affected my work, my health, my confidence, and is just a terrible drug that I continue to keep using day in and day out with no quitting goal in sight which is scary to me. I have primarily used dip to help me focus and concentrate when working but any benefits I might get from that are very little compared to all of the negative ways it impacts other areas of my life so I got to man up and stop forever. My wife and I are pregnant with our first child and I am not going to be a nicotine addict when I become a father.
I have gum, sugar free candies, access to nictotine free mint leaf pouches, etc if any of that might help me. I know it is just mind over matter though and my will to quit for good is the only thing that will make a difference in the end. Not ready to post on any roll calls lists yet or join any quit groups on here right away as I would just like to get a few responses from members on here with any advice/tips that might assist me along the quitting process before I set a quit date. What worked for me with the cigarettes quitting was making a promise to my wife I would never smoke again and it was easy as that. But I have actually promised her I would quit dipping and could not even follow through with that is one big reason I know I have a problem here and need to address it asap. Thanks in advance for any help.
The special sauce at KTC is accountability. It is making a promise to a band of brothers and sisters and keeping it...one day at a time. Then renewing the process the next day. And the next. When someone says they aren't ready to put their name on roll - they are telling me that they are still looking for an escape hatch. Get serious, slayer. This is not a game - this is your life.
Put your name and day count and promise on roll NOW - and let's get this quit going. You will never regret taking back your freedom. Never.
Slayer I am 9 days quit. Post roll with the July Group. I had all the concerns you had plus some. Post roll and we can talk some more!
Slayer I couldn't have said it any better than FLLIP did for you. Every single person posting roll here thought "I can do it on my own" in the past. The real difference is the accountability here. In my first couple months here, I would have caved except for the people in my group and some veterans that talked me off the ledge. Yesterday I posted day 1000.
It sounds hokey and I don't blame you for being skeptical, but this place works. I tried to quit 100 times on my own and even made it a couple months before. In the end, I wasn't strong enough to stay quit by myself. Not for my wife, not for my kids and not for me. I needed some like-minded addicts to hold me accountable before it really stuck.
You won't regret it. Post roll. Get some accountability and get some quit. It's worth it, I promise.
King
Hey Slayer,
All of the advice and info these guys have given you is spot on. The one thing I will add is this, you kept saying you want to quit “forever”. Well my friend, forever is a very long time and it in the eyes of an addict, it is next to impossible. That is why here, we only quit for one day at a time. We log on in the morning first thing and post our promise to not use nicotine for today. Then tomorrow, we come back and repeat the process all over again.
You see, anyone can quit for a day, right? So now I ask you, are you ready to quit? If you answered yes and you still have that cancer causing cat turd in your lip, then you need to dig deeper and flush that shit down the toilet, the rest of the can too and any other cans you have stashed. Find them all and dump them in the toilet. Once you do that, get back in here and post your day one. When that happens, me and every other member here will be proud to quit with you for that day.
Send me a PM after you post and we can exchange digits so we can keep each other accountable and build on our brotherhood.
Make the right choice.
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No idea how to post anything on here. Here is my question or thought. If I think about chew is that a craving? Or am I just having obsessive thoughts? Please chime in. I am on day 36 and I am having a good day. I am happy. Try to keep myself busy. But just constantly thinking about chew or quitting or not wanting to feel bad or depressed again. Am I craving? Or am I obsessing?
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No idea how to post anything on here. Here is my question or thought. If I think about chew is that a craving? Or am I just having obsessive thoughts? Please chime in. I am on day 36 and I am having a good day. I am happy. Try to keep myself busy. But just constantly thinking about chew or quitting or not wanting to feel bad or depressed again. Am I craving? Or am I obsessing?
To me a crave is a physical feeling that you go through. You think about it and for me I get a little anxiety feeling. Early on they could be intense. later they kind of hit you and it is easier to think of something else. To me the trick to controlling a cave was t get your mind on something else right away. The more you dwell on the crave, the more intense they can become. Congrats on 36 days!! As good as your day is now, it will get better. I was told that early on and wasnt always sure. At this point, I understand that they were so right. Better days ahead...
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No idea how to post anything on here. Here is my question or thought. If I think about chew is that a craving? Or am I just having obsessive thoughts? Please chime in. I am on day 36 and I am having a good day. I am happy. Try to keep myself busy. But just constantly thinking about chew or quitting or not wanting to feel bad or depressed again. Am I craving? Or am I obsessing?
I just wrote something about this same thing the other day in my intro journal. I am on Day 97 today and I still think about chew a few times a day.
Here is what I wrote on Day 93:
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Day 93
Monday.....
Is it a blessing or a curse that I still find myself thinking about chew every day? I definitely can't say that I am having cravings, but somehow chew finds it's way into my thoughts several times a day. I find it to be extremely annoying, but I also think it helps strengthen my resolve a little bit. I feel like my inability to control my addiction is really what drove me to go cold turkey in the first place. So, as long as my brain keeps thinking about chew every day it is constantly reminding me that I can't have just one without totally losing control again. It really is an interesting dichotomy. I don't want to think about chew, but I am afraid that I will get complacent if I don't think about chew.
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I would definitely not call the thoughts that I am having "cravings." To me, a craving is what I had that first week when my salivary glands were firing on all cylinders and my heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest every time I experienced a trigger. Those cravings were tough to battle through. The thoughts I have today are nothing compared to those cravings.
I am not that much ahead of you on the number of days. But, I can promise you that it will get noticeably better soon for you. I hit a funk around Day 60 that lasted for about a week. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either. Since then, everything has been good for me. Most people hit the same funk around day 70. I highly recommend that you pay attention to the groups that are one and two months ahead of you. That way you can kind of get an idea of what to expect in your near future. Someone suggested that to me early on and I found it to be very helpful. Also, a lot of members post a sort of journal on their intro pages. You can also get some helpful insight there as well.
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No idea how to post anything on here. Here is my question or thought. If I think about chew is that a craving? Or am I just having obsessive thoughts? Please chime in. I am on day 36 and I am having a good day. I am happy. Try to keep myself busy. But just constantly thinking about chew or quitting or not wanting to feel bad or depressed again. Am I craving? Or am I obsessing?
I just wrote something about this same thing the other day in my intro journal. I am on Day 97 today and I still think about chew a few times a day.
Here is what I wrote on Day 93:
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Day 93
Monday.....
Is it a blessing or a curse that I still find myself thinking about chew every day? I definitely can't say that I am having cravings, but somehow chew finds it's way into my thoughts several times a day. I find it to be extremely annoying, but I also think it helps strengthen my resolve a little bit. I feel like my inability to control my addiction is really what drove me to go cold turkey in the first place. So, as long as my brain keeps thinking about chew every day it is constantly reminding me that I can't have just one without totally losing control again. It really is an interesting dichotomy. I don't want to think about chew, but I am afraid that I will get complacent if I don't think about chew.
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I would definitely not call the thoughts that I am having "cravings." To me, a craving is what I had that first week when my salivary glands were firing on all cylinders and my heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest every time I experienced a trigger. Those cravings were tough to battle through. The thoughts I have today are nothing compared to those cravings.
I am not that much ahead of you on the number of days. But, I can promise you that it will get noticeably better soon for you. I hit a funk around Day 60 that lasted for about a week. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either. Since then, everything has been good for me. Most people hit the same funk around day 70. I highly recommend that you pay attention to the groups that are one and two months ahead of you. That way you can kind of get an idea of what to expect in your near future. Someone suggested that to me early on and I found it to be very helpful. Also, a lot of members post a sort of journal on their intro pages. You can also get some helpful insight there as well.
Good idea Kybo about looking ahead to groups.
Bubba (and Kybo) first, great job on your quits !! These are not easy times for you guys but they get better. Good days below 100 area really good days! Bad days are really bad days, whether it be craves, obsessing, or just plain treating those close to yo like shit.
My hardest MENTAL days were 150-200. Sort of post HOF letdown. No doubt days in beginning were more of a physical hand-to-mouth obsession for me that I needed to get over. For me and most of us here I assume, its all MENTAL man. Recognize your triggers, and conquer them.
There are many paths to a successful quit here, Bubba it sounds like you are taking the same path I'm on. I went from day 1 quit to obsessing about it, to craving it, eventually to getting embarrassed I ever let it control me, and finally to being PISSED at Nicotine.
I am currently pissed and nicotine, and always will be. For what it did to me, everyone here and everyone in the world.
The single most important event for me happened around the 200 day mark, I admitted I was an addict, always would be, got my ass over to INTROS, and choose a newbie. Help them, text them, encourage them, kick ass if needed. It has helped build my quit tenfold.
Funny that up until 200 day mark or so I still thought I could take one and control it, maybe 'in a few months I'll have a dip, and just quit when i needed" Total oblivion. The tricky nic bitch is most deadly when your guard is down!
I am so addicted to this poison, always will be. If I had one now, I'd be right back on the dip train- even after 976 days, no doubt. Hell, my quit group HOF conductor just fucking caved after 1000+ days!! Are you kidding me?
He must have lost his way, lost touch of what it was that made him stay quit, strayed to far from KTC.
Caving can happen to anyone, anytime, day counts don't matter. My advice, GET PISSED!
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You waffling? You on the fence about quitting?
Or maybe you think it can't be done. You think other guys are stronger or you just don't have the will power.
Below is from a guy just like you who was a slave to the can.
NOT ANYMORE! Read on.....
I joined on day 16 of my quit. Here are 16 reasons I should have joined sooner!
1-I am able to post what I am feeling.
2-I am able to connect and build relationships with rad dudes!
3-I have backup digits if I ever hit a huge crave and need someone to talk to.
4-I get questions answered if I post. Or at least someone shows they care.
5-I am not driving my wife crazy talking about it to her!
6-Other people on KTC know exactly how IÂ’m feeling.
7-I am able to help other people.
8-Doctors have no idea about nicotine withdrawal. This site is spot on.
9-knowing that I am not alone with my addiction. Other people are struggling with me.
10-knowing what to expect. Timeframes are about spot on.
11-posting roll is actually fun. I look forward and try to say different things daily.
12-this website is frustrating to navigate for a reason! They want to waste your time! So you donÂ’t cave!
13-people actually read your shit. It may be 1 person or 3,000.
14-you make a promise to your boys that you will stay quit!
15-Any time of day people are here for you.
16-These dudes on here are bad ass quitters that I will strive to be like!
Day 37 and I feel way better. Today, I did get gloomy. Everything passes with time. I am feeling better now then I did the first few weeks. Everyday gets better.
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Hey guys, so I've been dipping for almost three years probably more than that now. I have attempted to quit several times, even stopped for about four months and had a few shorter "quits" since that. This forum was a very helpful tool when I first attempted to quit dip. I am not going to sit here and give excuses. I caved. I've dipped far less the past year than the previous two years, and while that does feel somewhat good, knowing that I have done it a lot less than before, I am still caught in a viscious cycle. I HATE IT when I cave. I hate waking up with regret knowing I should have quit dip. I HATE feeling great when I'm "quit" and then feeling horrible when I cave. I'm done. I'm freaking done. I cant do it anymore. I have to quit.
This is my comeback post, and I will not miss roll this time. Mark my words.
I've also decided to stop smoking cannabis.
My main reasons for quitting is health of course. But more specifically the fact that I am a singer, and dip and smoke DO NOT help your vocal cords. they DAMAGE THEM. I can intellectually know this but still dip and smoke. It's a downright shame. I know there are going to be some big speed bumps along the way, but I know I can succeed with this. It's all or nothing this time around.
Once I get into the habit of not dipping and not smoking I can improve my singing abilities because of better health.
I hope to speak with many of you later on. I'm going to get into the roll call.
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Hey guys, so I've been dipping for almost three years probably more than that now. I have attempted to quit several times, even stopped for about four months and had a few shorter "quits" since that. This forum was a very helpful tool when I first attempted to quit dip. I am not going to sit here and give excuses. I caved. I've dipped far less the past year than the previous two years, and while that does feel somewhat good, knowing that I have done it a lot less than before, I am still caught in a viscious cycle. I HATE IT when I cave. I hate waking up with regret knowing I should have quit dip. I HATE feeling great when I'm "quit" and then feeling horrible when I cave. I'm done. I'm freaking done. I cant do it anymore. I have to quit.
This is my comeback post, and I will not miss roll this time. Mark my words.
I've also decided to stop smoking cannabis.
My main reasons for quitting is health of course. But more specifically the fact that I am a singer, and dip and smoke DO NOT help your vocal cords. they DAMAGE THEM. I can intellectually know this but still dip and smoke. It's a downright shame. I know there are going to be some big speed bumps along the way, but I know I can succeed with this. It's all or nothing this time around.
Once I get into the habit of not dipping and not smoking I can improve my singing abilities because of better health.
I hope to speak with many of you later on. I'm going to get into the roll call.
You are going to have to prove to your brethren here you are worthy of your words, by your actions starting NOW
be a leader
exchange digits, actually talk to people, send texts, check in
are you going to answer the questions three??
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Hey guys, so I've been dipping for almost three years probably more than that now. I have attempted to quit several times, even stopped for about four months and had a few shorter "quits" since that. This forum was a very helpful tool when I first attempted to quit dip. I am not going to sit here and give excuses. I caved. I've dipped far less the past year than the previous two years, and while that does feel somewhat good, knowing that I have done it a lot less than before, I am still caught in a viscious cycle. I HATE IT when I cave. I hate waking up with regret knowing I should have quit dip. I HATE feeling great when I'm "quit" and then feeling horrible when I cave. I'm done. I'm freaking done. I cant do it anymore. I have to quit.
This is my comeback post, and I will not miss roll this time. Mark my words.
I've also decided to stop smoking cannabis.
My main reasons for quitting is health of course. But more specifically the fact that I am a singer, and dip and smoke DO NOT help your vocal cords. they DAMAGE THEM. I can intellectually know this but still dip and smoke. It's a downright shame. I know there are going to be some big speed bumps along the way, but I know I can succeed with this. It's all or nothing this time around.
Once I get into the habit of not dipping and not smoking I can improve my singing abilities because of better health.
I hope to speak with many of you later on. I'm going to get into the roll call.
You are going to have to prove to your brethren here you are worthy of your words, by your actions starting NOW
be a leader
exchange digits, actually talk to people, send texts, check in
are you going to answer the questions three??
Youve said everything except IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE.
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Youve said everything except IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE.
It's THE foundational statement. Everything else rests upon it.
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Struggling. Used Snus every day for years. Just quit yesterday.
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Struggling. Used Snus every day for years. Just quit yesterday.
Welcome Wrangler. Congratulations on your quit. Check out this link.......... forum/55560/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/)
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Youve said everything except IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE.
It's THE foundational statement. Everything else rests upon it.
True dat.
A can of cope a day for me, now 47 days clean with the JHOJ, no more killer withdrawal symptoms, some days I don't even think about dip once.
Then yesterday, tired, irritated at the wife.....total return of the cravings, would have been easy to cave were it not for KTC...Not gonna happen, the missing of roll, the wondering how to respond to bros who for no reason other than good will text me daily.
Yesterday reminded me for sure that IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE. But I aint gonna dip no more. Rinse and repeat, daily.
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Hey guys, so I've been dipping for almost three years probably more than that now. I have attempted to quit several times, even stopped for about four months and had a few shorter "quits" since that. This forum was a very helpful tool when I first attempted to quit dip. I am not going to sit here and give excuses. I caved. I've dipped far less the past year than the previous two years, and while that does feel somewhat good, knowing that I have done it a lot less than before, I am still caught in a viscious cycle. I HATE IT when I cave. I hate waking up with regret knowing I should have quit dip. I HATE feeling great when I'm "quit" and then feeling horrible when I cave. I'm done. I'm freaking done. I cant do it anymore. I have to quit.
This is my comeback post, and I will not miss roll this time. Mark my words.
I've also decided to stop smoking cannabis.
My main reasons for quitting is health of course. But more specifically the fact that I am a singer, and dip and smoke DO NOT help your vocal cords. they DAMAGE THEM. I can intellectually know this but still dip and smoke. It's a downright shame. I know there are going to be some big speed bumps along the way, but I know I can succeed with this. It's all or nothing this time around.
Once I get into the habit of not dipping and not smoking I can improve my singing abilities because of better health.
I hope to speak with many of you later on. I'm going to get into the roll call.
You are going to have to prove to your brethren here you are worthy of your words, by your actions starting NOW
be a leader
exchange digits, actually talk to people, send texts, check in
are you going to answer the questions three??
Youve said everything except IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE.
What three questions?
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This sort of legislation seems to be picking up steam. Thoughts? It's not clear from the article if it includes smokeless but it clearly states "tobacco" as well as vaping accessories so I'm "assuming" smokeless is in play as well.
Akron City Council votes to raise the legal age to buy tobacco to 21
http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ss ... to_ra.html (http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2018/04/akron_city_council_votes_to_ra.html)
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This sort of legislation seems to be picking up steam. Thoughts? It's not clear from the article if it includes smokeless but it clearly states "tobacco" as well as vaping accessories so I'm "assuming" smokeless is in play as well.
Akron City Council votes to raise the legal age to buy tobacco to 21
http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ss ... to_ra.html (http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2018/04/akron_city_council_votes_to_ra.html)
I like it. I'm not sure how it's written obviously so I don't know what all it covers (it doesn't sound like possession is illegal, just buying within city limits) or how significant the actual impact will be.
I've never been much for the "if you're old enough to serve in the military/vote/get married then you should be able to XYZ" argument that gets thrown out there. It's tough to make that argument with alcohol (which generally needs something else to happen in order to kill you), so why would you try to make it using tobacco (which is known to outright kill you eventually if you use it as intended) as an example?
What I really DO like about this is that it undercuts, at least to some extent, the dollars that big tobacco can lobby with on the big stage. Fighting one (albeit very large) fire in a central location is relatively simple. Fighting hundreds and hundreds of smaller fires across the country would be significantly more difficult and costly for them...
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Hey guys, so I've been dipping for almost three years probably more than that now. I have attempted to quit several times, even stopped for about four months and had a few shorter "quits" since that. This forum was a very helpful tool when I first attempted to quit dip. I am not going to sit here and give excuses. I caved. I've dipped far less the past year than the previous two years, and while that does feel somewhat good, knowing that I have done it a lot less than before, I am still caught in a viscious cycle. I HATE IT when I cave. I hate waking up with regret knowing I should have quit dip. I HATE feeling great when I'm "quit" and then feeling horrible when I cave. I'm done. I'm freaking done. I cant do it anymore. I have to quit.
This is my comeback post, and I will not miss roll this time. Mark my words.
I've also decided to stop smoking cannabis.
My main reasons for quitting is health of course. But more specifically the fact that I am a singer, and dip and smoke DO NOT help your vocal cords. they DAMAGE THEM. I can intellectually know this but still dip and smoke. It's a downright shame. I know there are going to be some big speed bumps along the way, but I know I can succeed with this. It's all or nothing this time around.
Once I get into the habit of not dipping and not smoking I can improve my singing abilities because of better health.
I hope to speak with many of you later on. I'm going to get into the roll call.
You are going to have to prove to your brethren here you are worthy of your words, by your actions starting NOW
be a leader
exchange digits, actually talk to people, send texts, check in
are you going to answer the questions three??
Youve said everything except IM AN ADDICT, ALWAYS WILL BE.
What three questions?
Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
You can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
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Hi All, I am a new quitter (5 days) and really want to get more involved with KTC. I'm big on accountability and I think getting more involved will hold me even more accountable than posting roll does. (Not that posting roll doesn't). Although, I feel that because I am so new in my quit its kinda hypocritical for me to reply and interact especially when it comes to people asking for advice and looking for help, I could be wrong, its just my perspective on it. Any suggestions for a newbie on how I can get more involved?
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Hi All, I am a new quitter (5 days) and really want to get more involved with KTC. I'm big on accountability and I think getting more involved will hold me even more accountable than posting roll does. (Not that posting roll doesn't). Although, I feel that because I am so new in my quit its kinda hypocritical for me to reply and interact especially when it comes to people asking for advice and looking for help, I could be wrong, its just my perspective on it. Any suggestions for a newbie on how I can get more involved?
Welcome!
Posting roll is your promise to yourself and your brothers/sisters that you will be quit for the day. As long as you keep your word, it works!
You're right though. There's quite a bit more to it than simply posting roll. I text a bunch of people every morning, people that I have actually connected with a little more than just an "SRains918 - 201 and IQWYT" text. These are people that I know I can count on when I'm struggling. People that I know I can call (or will call me) when I need it. In many cases they're people I have actually MET, which makes my promise to them that much stronger...
1) Definitely find your quit group (if you haven't already) and post roll as soon as you wake up every morning (WUPPEDD)...
2) Don't be afraid to ask questions in your group on the forums. Take your rage and funk and fog and everything else there too. We've ALL been through it. We get it.
3) Reach out to others in your group (five days quit puts you into July '18) through the PM system (upper right hand corner of the window) and share your number (digits)...
4) Reach out to quitters that have been around a while (vets) and do the same thing...
5) Actually USE those digits. Don't just text - call and actually get to know people...
6) MEET as many other quitters as you can. It's a little odd at first, but it will make your quit that much stronger!
If I can do this, so can YOU!
Proud to be quit with you today!
Steve
EDIT - I sent you a PM with my contact info (if you scroll all the way up, your inbox is top right)
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Hi All, I am a new quitter (5 days) and really want to get more involved with KTC. I'm big on accountability and I think getting more involved will hold me even more accountable than posting roll does. (Not that posting roll doesn't). Although, I feel that because I am so new in my quit its kinda hypocritical for me to reply and interact especially when it comes to people asking for advice and looking for help, I could be wrong, its just my perspective on it. Any suggestions for a newbie on how I can get more involved?
Welcome!
Posting roll is your promise to yourself and your brothers/sisters that you will be quit for the day. As long as you keep your word, it works!
You're right though. There's quite a bit more to it than simply posting roll. I text a bunch of people every morning, people that I have actually connected with a little more than just an "SRains918 - 201 and IQWYT" text. These are people that I know I can count on when I'm struggling. People that I know I can call (or will call me) when I need it. In many cases they're people I have actually MET, which makes my promise to them that much stronger...
1) Definitely find your quit group (if you haven't already) and post roll as soon as you wake up every morning (WUPPEDD)...
2) Don't be afraid to ask questions in your group on the forums. Take your rage and funk and fog and everything else there too. We've ALL been through it. We get it.
3) Reach out to others in your group (five days quit puts you into July '18) through the PM system (upper right hand corner of the window) and share your number (digits)...
4) Reach out to quitters that have been around a while (vets) and do the same thing...
5) Actually USE those digits. Don't just text - call and actually get to know people...
6) MEET as many other quitters as you can. It's a little odd at first, but it will make your quit that much stronger!
If I can do this, so can YOU!
Proud to be quit with you today!
Steve
EDIT - I sent you a PM with my contact info (if you scroll all the way up, your inbox is top right)
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the info. I've been posting roll every day for the last 5 days and I don't intend to stop doing that found my quit group and am just trying to become more active with them. Thanks for sharing your contact info. I appreciate it!
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Hi All, I am a new quitter (5 days) and really want to get more involved with KTC. I'm big on accountability and I think getting more involved will hold me even more accountable than posting roll does. (Not that posting roll doesn't). Although, I feel that because I am so new in my quit its kinda hypocritical for me to reply and interact especially when it comes to people asking for advice and looking for help, I could be wrong, its just my perspective on it. Any suggestions for a newbie on how I can get more involved?
Welcome!
Posting roll is your promise to yourself and your brothers/sisters that you will be quit for the day. As long as you keep your word, it works!
You're right though. There's quite a bit more to it than simply posting roll. I text a bunch of people every morning, people that I have actually connected with a little more than just an "SRains918 - 201 and IQWYT" text. These are people that I know I can count on when I'm struggling. People that I know I can call (or will call me) when I need it. In many cases they're people I have actually MET, which makes my promise to them that much stronger...
1) Definitely find your quit group (if you haven't already) and post roll as soon as you wake up every morning (WUPPEDD)...
2) Don't be afraid to ask questions in your group on the forums. Take your rage and funk and fog and everything else there too. We've ALL been through it. We get it.
3) Reach out to others in your group (five days quit puts you into July '18) through the PM system (upper right hand corner of the window) and share your number (digits)...
4) Reach out to quitters that have been around a while (vets) and do the same thing...
5) Actually USE those digits. Don't just text - call and actually get to know people...
6) MEET as many other quitters as you can. It's a little odd at first, but it will make your quit that much stronger!
If I can do this, so can YOU!
Proud to be quit with you today!
Steve
EDIT - I sent you a PM with my contact info (if you scroll all the way up, your inbox is top right)
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the info. I've been posting roll every day for the last 5 days and I don't intend to stop doing that found my quit group and am just trying to become more active with them. Thanks for sharing your contact info. I appreciate it!
The best thing you can do, IMO, is to help out on your SSOA, track down your fellow quitters during the day, post missing quitters, things like that. Take a leadership role in your month and it will be a really rewarding experience. All months need their leaders. Be that guy.
Proud to be quit with you today.
Day 635.
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Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
I can't recall the details at this point but I took a dip.2. Why did it happen?
I really wanted a dip3. What are you going to do differently?
Not take a dip. Not miss roll. Not be so quick to give up. Drink more water, exercise. Don't drink alcohol. Chew gum when I want to. Use soda if I have to. Be ready for triggers and learn to ride them out. Think about my reasons for quitting hard when I want to cave. Talk to fellow members in order to create more accountability for myself and other people4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
Of course I am serious. Piss post... what makes you say that that's interestingYou can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
Are you saying to post them in those threads?
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(time=1523934752)]Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
I can't recall the details at this point but I took a dip.2. Why did it happen?
I really wanted a dip3. What are you going to do differently?
Not take a dip. Not miss roll. Not be so quick to give up. Drink more water, exercise. Don't drink alcohol. Chew gum when I want to. Use soda if I have to. Be ready for triggers and learn to ride them out. Think about my reasons for quitting hard when I want to cave. Talk to fellow members in order to create more accountability for myself and other people4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
Of course I am serious. Piss post... what makes you say that that's interestingYou can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
Are you saying to post them in those threads?
That's the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. I can't remember and I'm not going to even think about it, but I wanted a dip, so I took a dip. What the fuck? You weren't involved last time. Whose number did you have? Who did you call? Why did you cave other than because you're a fucking pussy? Think about your answers and try again.
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(time=1523934752)]Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
I can't recall the details at this point but I took a dip.2. Why did it happen?
I really wanted a dip3. What are you going to do differently?
Not take a dip. Not miss roll. Not be so quick to give up. Drink more water, exercise. Don't drink alcohol. Chew gum when I want to. Use soda if I have to. Be ready for triggers and learn to ride them out. Think about my reasons for quitting hard when I want to cave. Talk to fellow members in order to create more accountability for myself and other people4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
Of course I am serious. Piss post... what makes you say that that's interestingYou can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
Are you saying to post them in those threads?
That's the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. I can't remember and I'm not going to even think about it, but I wanted a dip, so I took a dip. What the fuck? You weren't involved last time. Whose number did you have? Who did you call? Why did you cave other than because you're a fucking pussy? Think about your answers and try again.
you "Can't recall the details" why you caved? Was that the one you were clean for 4 months? because I remember every reason I caved in the past and my memory is pretty shit. You "really wanted a dip", so you mean your pansy ass will cave at the slightest crave? Bro those are shit answers and nobody is gonna invest time on someone who wont invest effort on themselves. We are here to help you win but you gotta fucking take this shit seriously. With those answers I automatically don't trust you to have my back. Those questions are to help you, if you can't take some introspection seriously how are you going to learn from your mistakes? How are you going to avoid failing like last time? Or are you just gonna be a pansy ass little bitch and cave when that monkey on your back starts hammering? Cause I can assure you that monkey is one big fat fucking cunt of a gorilla, and if you are gonna cave because you "wanted dip" then you're not gonna be able to cut it when a friend dies, you have to put your dog down, or when you and your wife have a huge argument and you get kicked out of the house and are staying on a friends couch thinking your life and your marriage are over.
So, once more
What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
Why did it happen?
What is your ass gonna do to not be a fucking loser pansy ass caving bitch this time?
Put some real thought into these questions, I am totally willing to be in your corner if you can just man up and decide you wanna win. But you gotta put some effort in because you've already proven your word means shit, so tell me why I should believe you this time when you post a day 1 or a day 30 or day 190.
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(time=1523934752)]Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
I can't recall the details at this point but I took a dip.2. Why did it happen?
I really wanted a dip3. What are you going to do differently?
Not take a dip. Not miss roll. Not be so quick to give up. Drink more water, exercise. Don't drink alcohol. Chew gum when I want to. Use soda if I have to. Be ready for triggers and learn to ride them out. Think about my reasons for quitting hard when I want to cave. Talk to fellow members in order to create more accountability for myself and other people4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
Of course I am serious. Piss post... what makes you say that that's interestingYou can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
Are you saying to post them in those threads?
That's the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. I can't remember and I'm not going to even think about it, but I wanted a dip, so I took a dip. What the fuck? You weren't involved last time. Whose number did you have? Who did you call? Why did you cave other than because you're a fucking pussy? Think about your answers and try again.
you "Can't recall the details" why you caved? Was that the one you were clean for 4 months? because I remember every reason I caved in the past and my memory is pretty shit. You "really wanted a dip", so you mean your pansy ass will cave at the slightest crave? Bro those are shit answers and nobody is gonna invest time on someone who wont invest effort on themselves. We are here to help you win but you gotta fucking take this shit seriously. With those answers I automatically don't trust you to have my back. Those questions are to help you, if you can't take some introspection seriously how are you going to learn from your mistakes? How are you going to avoid failing like last time? Or are you just gonna be a pansy ass little bitch and cave when that monkey on your back starts hammering? Cause I can assure you that monkey is one big fat fucking cunt of a gorilla, and if you are gonna cave because you "wanted dip" then you're not gonna be able to cut it when a friend dies, you have to put your dog down, or when you and your wife have a huge argument and you get kicked out of the house and are staying on a friends couch thinking your life and your marriage are over.
So, once more
What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
Why did it happen?
What is your ass gonna do to not be a fucking loser pansy ass caving bitch this time?
Put some real thought into these questions, I am totally willing to be in your corner if you can just man up and decide you wanna win. But you gotta put some effort in because you've already proven your word means shit, so tell me why I should believe you this time when you post a day 1 or a day 30 or day 190.
WOW. Just Wow. I don't usually chime in on the answers to these questions but I've never seen any quite this bad.
I would not give a bit of support to this guy until he can come up with something a little better than "I really wanted a dip"
Which of us here at some point didn't really want a dip?
Don't worry, unless he puts a little effort into this, he wont be here long
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I cannot remember exactly what happened to cause me to want to take a dip in those times. I can remember some times in the past however. A lot of times it has to do with a customer's negative attitude/aura at the store I work at. Someone comes in with an entitled attitude. Or someone comes in that I do not quite trust and I can tell they are not sneaky in the sense of trying to get over on you. The type of people who will try to pull the wool over your eyes to get you to trust them. The type of people that steal from stores while the whole time laughing and smiling in your face to get you trust them. Those situations really get to me. It is so frustrating the idea of people stealing and lying, and not having remorse for it. It is one thing to steal and then feel great remorse for it. It is another thing completely different to not feel remorse, guilt, or shame over it. It bothers me so bad that there are people out there like it. I'm 23 years old and I've just now come to understanding the sheer amount of dishonesty that exists in the world. I've been working retail for four years now. At first it was a big experience and shock getting to see the amount of people that will just completely lie to your face with no guilt and no shame. It is the type of thing that really drives me up a wall. At times I can even take it personally. Like I feel I have some sort of specific personal obligation to try to stop them from stealing from the store I work at. I mean, of course I do from the perspective of being a worker there (all the responsibilities that come with working at a place) but I venture into it so deeply that I take it personal.
It's crazy how I can be in such a great mood and then have that great mood completely ruined just by witnessing someone who doesn't have integrity/scruples. I can sense it off of them from the way they look and act. They'll laugh in your face and the whole time they'll be trying to get over on you as well. And then feel no shame over it. It is downright maddening.
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I cannot remember exactly what happened to cause me to want to take a dip in those times. I can remember some times in the past however. A lot of times it has to do with a customer's negative attitude/aura at the store I work at. Someone comes in with an entitled attitude. Or someone comes in that I do not quite trust and I can tell they are not sneaky in the sense of trying to get over on you. The type of people who will try to pull the wool over your eyes to get you to trust them. The type of people that steal from stores while the whole time laughing and smiling in your face to get you trust them. Those situations really get to me. It is so frustrating the idea of people stealing and lying, and not having remorse for it. It is one thing to steal and then feel great remorse for it. It is another thing completely different to not feel remorse, guilt, or shame over it. It bothers me so bad that there are people out there like it. I'm 23 years old and I've just now come to understanding the sheer amount of dishonesty that exists in the world. I've been working retail for four years now. At first it was a big experience and shock getting to see the amount of people that will just completely lie to your face with no guilt and no shame. It is the type of thing that really drives me up a wall. At times I can even take it personally. Like I feel I have some sort of specific personal obligation to try to stop them from stealing from the store I work at. I mean, of course I do from the perspective of being a worker there (all the responsibilities that come with working at a place) but I venture into it so deeply that I take it personal.
It's crazy how I can be in such a great mood and then have that great mood completely ruined just by witnessing someone who doesn't have integrity/scruples. I can sense it off of them from the way they look and act. They'll laugh in your face and the whole time they'll be trying to get over on you as well. And then feel no shame over it. It is downright maddening.
Why is this going on here, and not in your group?
Pull your head out,
get over to your new group,
get involved,
and just quit.
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I need help guys. I feel like such a piece of shit. I’ve tried to quit, I’ve bought fake dip, I told myself I wouldn’t dip after my son turned two. Guess what, I dipped the very next day. I’ve even gone so far as to hide my dip in Smokey mountain tins from my wife. What kind of man does that? My son turned to me the other day and said “bye dadda bye” and the only thing I could think of is him saying that with me in the hospital. I need help guys. My number is (XXX) XXX-XXXX please contact me if you feel it will help.
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I need help guys. I feel like such a piece of shit. I’ve tried to quit, I’ve bought fake dip, I told myself I wouldn’t dip after my son turned two. Guess what, I dipped the very next day. I’ve even gone so far as to hide my dip in Smokey mountain tins from my wife. What kind of man does that? My son turned to me the other day and said “bye dadda bye” and the only thing I could think of is him saying that with me in the hospital. I need help guys. My number is xxx-xxx-xxxx please contact me if you feel it will help.
Your help is here, with accountability from others. You need to want to quit and make that the biggest part of your life. Bigger than your son, wife, etc. Take 100 days of your life and go on this journey. This is for you.
Join a group, August 2018 Pre-HOF (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30577754/1/?x=90) ---click it!
And we share numbers via PM here, dont put yours out on the interwebs for creepers to get.
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I need help guys. I feel like such a piece of shit. I’ve tried to quit, I’ve bought fake dip, I told myself I wouldn’t dip after my son turned two. Guess what, I dipped the very next day. I’ve even gone so far as to hide my dip in Smokey mountain tins from my wife. What kind of man does that? My son turned to me the other day and said “bye dadda bye” and the only thing I could think of is him saying that with me in the hospital. I need help guys. My number is (XXX) XXX-XXXX please contact me if you feel it will help.
Archer - I edited your post to remove your number. Share digits her via PM (private message - the "Inbox" link in the upper right hand corner of the page), please - we don't want your phone number showing up in random web searches for any troll to find.
That said - get over to the August quit group, post roll and get connected with your fellow quitters. You don't need to do this alone.
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Does anyone have any tips on waking up without a dip to look forward to?
I am usually a professional getter-upper, but when My brain knows it wonÂ’t be getting its morning dose of nicotine it falls back to sleep without a second thought!
Convinced myself into buying dip today because of this, but itÂ’s only prolonging the pain 'Kiss'
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Does anyone have any tips on waking up without a dip to look forward to?
I am usually a professional getter-upper, but when My brain knows it wonÂ’t be getting its morning dose of nicotine it falls back to sleep without a second thought!
Convinced myself into buying dip today because of this, but itÂ’s only prolonging the pain 'Kiss'
Hi Kevin,
Join a group, post up and try to get involved. It helps. I use coffee and fat burners to replace the nicotine buzz, it helps too. Toss the dip and jump in. If I can be of any help, please feel free to PM me, good luck dude.
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Does anyone have any tips on waking up without a dip to look forward to?
I am usually a professional getter-upper, but when My brain knows it wonÂ’t be getting its morning dose of nicotine it falls back to sleep without a second thought!
Convinced myself into buying dip today because of this, but itÂ’s only prolonging the pain 'Kiss'
I've been crunching on cinnamon sticks. I get 'em in bulk at sams or costco. It works for me. There's some fake stuff out there that some of the guys use. Try some, see what works for you.
Surely you're not saying you can't quit, even for one day?
Even three pack a day smokers can quit for a single day.
Got a guy fix'n to post 100 days and he did 3 cans of grizz a day.
Edmund Hilary and Tenzig Norgay climbed Mount Everest.
They did it one step at a time.
That's how we quit here - one day at a time.
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Yeah IÂ’ve taken breaks for a good while but when I give in I give in hard. ItÂ’s time to stop the nonsense though once and for all.
I made some “pouches” today with molasses and cheap black tea. Tomorrow’s the big day...
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Mind over matter you think?
ThereÂ’s a BILLION DOLLAR industry that wants you to think just that.
TheyÂ’re hoping, no praying, that you donÂ’t figure out that youÂ’re dealing with addiction; that you wonÂ’t figure out the cravings you have are because they have physiologically rewired your brain to do just that.
TheyÂ’re banking on you wallowing in ignorance and succumbing to the can.
Their business plan hinges on you NOT calling someone when the next wave hits.
Hey, whaddaya say, how bout we blow up their business plan!
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So I'm at the Tractor Supply and the guy in front of me has to tilt his head back to speak to this cute little checkout girl so as to avoid dumping a mouthful of chew slobber all over her counter.
Her expression was priceless. I know I projected something along the lines of "hey dumbass, you might have gotten her number were you not gurgling beetlejuice!"
It is absolutely staggering to view the insanity of this addiction from the outside.
Ain't nothing like FREEDOM!
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Does anyone have any tips on waking up without a dip to look forward to?
I am usually a professional getter-upper, but when My brain knows it wonÂ’t be getting its morning dose of nicotine it falls back to sleep without a second thought!
Convinced myself into buying dip today because of this, but itÂ’s only prolonging the pain 'Kiss'
I know how you're feeling man. My trick to help with the morning craves was to replace my morning nicotine dose with a caffeine dose. While a cup of coffee in the morning doesn't start out being nearly as satisfying as a morning chew, it definitely starts to grow on you. I'm only 15 days into my quit and I can tell you right now that the caffiene in the morning has 100% helped with my cravings. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work for you.
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Does anyone have any tips on waking up without a dip to look forward to?
I am usually a professional getter-upper, but when My brain knows it wonÂ’t be getting its morning dose of nicotine it falls back to sleep without a second thought!
Convinced myself into buying dip today because of this, but itÂ’s only prolonging the pain 'Kiss'
I know how you're feeling man. My trick to help with the morning craves was to replace my morning nicotine dose with a caffeine dose. While a cup of coffee in the morning doesn't start out being nearly as satisfying as a morning chew, it definitely starts to grow on you. I'm only 15 days into my quit and I can tell you right now that the caffiene in the morning has 100% helped with my cravings. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work for you.
There is a time, when we romanticise chewing and think an activity might be better with a chew in. Eventually, you will do these activities and realize that you can enjoy and do these without a chew.
Then you will begin to break free of worrying about when you will buy the next can, if you have enough with you and if you leave it around the house will the wife find it.
Then you will replace it with something positive, your blood pressure will improve, your gums and teeth will heal, your risk of cancer will begin to decrease and you will save money.
Then you will realize that you hate chew and nicotine, that you were a slave to it, you wasted time, money and your health.
Then the romantic thoughts were just a trick to keep you suckling at the teet of big tobacco.
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HELP!!! Biggest problem I'm having with my quit so far is not having something in my mouth. I have tried gum, toothpicks, seeds, etc. none of that cures the itch. I just recently found out they make tobacco and nicotine free dip but all of the ones I've tried have been super dry. The biggest thing for me is finding something that will produce enough saliva to spit like I used to. I prefer the pouches but am not opposed to "long cut" suggestions. THANK YOU!!!
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HELP!!! Biggest problem I'm having with my quit so far is not having something in my mouth. I have tried gum, toothpicks, seeds, etc. none of that cures the itch. I just recently found out they make tobacco and nicotine free dip but all of the ones I've tried have been super dry. The biggest thing for me is finding something that will produce enough saliva to spit like I used to. I prefer the pouches but am not opposed to "long cut" suggestions. THANK YOU!!!
There's an entire page on the main site about smokeless alternatives (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/smokeless-alternatives/) - including reviews ordering information.
I tried Ryan Express at one point. Very different - very juicy, too, but I found myself sucking on it like candy instead of spitting, since it's made from muscadine grape skins.
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HELP!!! Biggest problem I'm having with my quit so far is not having something in my mouth. I have tried gum, toothpicks, seeds, etc. none of that cures the itch. I just recently found out they make tobacco and nicotine free dip but all of the ones I've tried have been super dry. The biggest thing for me is finding something that will produce enough saliva to spit like I used to. I prefer the pouches but am not opposed to "long cut" suggestions. THANK YOU!!!
There's an entire page on the main site about smokeless alternatives (https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/smokeless-alternatives/) - including reviews ordering information.
I tried Ryan Express at one point. Very different - very juicy, too, but I found myself sucking on it like candy instead of spitting, since it's made from muscadine grape skins.
I found I was able to get a good spit going with beef jerky stuffed in there - or even the "guts" of a beef stick.
What day are you on? What fake brands have you tried?
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HELP!!! Biggest problem I'm having with my quit so far is not having something in my mouth. I have tried gum, toothpicks, seeds, etc. none of that cures the itch. I just recently found out they make tobacco and nicotine free dip but all of the ones I've tried have been super dry. The biggest thing for me is finding something that will produce enough saliva to spit like I used to. I prefer the pouches but am not opposed to "long cut" suggestions. THANK YOU!!!
Smokey Mountain works for me. Wintergreen and straight. Also, I just ordered Hooch spitfire. I have heard that itÂ’s gooood.
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Does anybody have any suggestions for the concentration thing. IÂ’m really struggling at work.
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Does anybody have any suggestions for the concentration thing. IÂ’m really struggling at work.
Make a to do list. Start at top. Cross off when you get stuff done. DonÂ’t leave till your list is done. ThatÂ’s what I do at school.
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Does anybody have any suggestions for the concentration thing. IÂ’m really struggling at work.
Why don't you join us and post-roll every day, and you won't have to do it by yourself
flavored toothpicks, coffee, and exercise (drink a lot of water)
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HELP!!! Biggest problem I'm having with my quit so far is not having something in my mouth. I have tried gum, toothpicks, seeds, etc. none of that cures the itch. I just recently found out they make tobacco and nicotine free dip but all of the ones I've tried have been super dry. The biggest thing for me is finding something that will produce enough saliva to spit like I used to. I prefer the pouches but am not opposed to "long cut" suggestions. THANK YOU!!!
Smokey Mountain works for me. Wintergreen and straight. Also, I just ordered Hooch spitfire. I have heard that itÂ’s gooood.
I like the grinds personally, has a benefit, actually helps you not gain weight because it handles the mouth feel and also cuts calories from not needing to drink coffee. plus if you liked pouches they come in pouch style. And they taste bomb as shit in the caramel.
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Riddle????
Who is black....is out at night....and has excellent hearing?
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
I didn't have trouble sleeping but are you exercising?
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
That was me for... oh, probably the first month. I was going to bed a lot earlier than usual (not staying up later to get that last chew in), waking up periodically through the night, and waking up earlier than usual.
Roll with it. It will pass as your body adjusts. I didn't use any sleep aids, but some people have used melatonin with good results.
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
I didn't have trouble sleeping but are you exercising?
Yeah, since my quit my exercise has sky rocketed... I started working out about 10 months ago, dropped 60 lbs with basically the same workout - running or using the eliptical for 30 min. After 30 minutes I was pretty cashed out, legs sore, body dripping with sweat. My 2nd day quit I doubled my run (ran 60 min straight no stops). Felt godlike and after I wasn't even sore. Tired after the long day, but still waking up. Just don't know how to keep my body down, hah.
Also my dreams have been really fucking weird.
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
That was me for... oh, probably the first month. I was going to bed a lot earlier than usual (not staying up later to get that last chew in), waking up periodically through the night, and waking up earlier than usual.
Roll with it. It will pass as your body adjusts. I didn't use any sleep aids, but some people have used melatonin with good results.
I haven't been going to bed any earlier, I have found it easier to drift off to sleep however.
I've never been one to take sleep aids, never thought they would help. I think I'll just wait to see if it passes after a couple weeks.
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
That was me for... oh, probably the first month. I was going to bed a lot earlier than usual (not staying up later to get that last chew in), waking up periodically through the night, and waking up earlier than usual.
Roll with it. It will pass as your body adjusts. I didn't use any sleep aids, but some people have used melatonin with good results.
I haven't been going to bed any earlier, I have found it easier to drift off to sleep however.
I've never been one to take sleep aids, never thought they would help. I think I'll just wait to see if it passes after a couple weeks.
I've gone with benedryl for a while and it worked for me. Hope you are able to get some good sleep.
sleep deprivation is a killer...
My wife and I also have a winding down routine that involves tea, decaf, like celestial seasonings sleepy time. It helps somewhat.
Hope I don't lose my man card for saying that!
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
That was me for... oh, probably the first month. I was going to bed a lot earlier than usual (not staying up later to get that last chew in), waking up periodically through the night, and waking up earlier than usual.
Roll with it. It will pass as your body adjusts. I didn't use any sleep aids, but some people have used melatonin with good results.
I haven't been going to bed any earlier, I have found it easier to drift off to sleep however.
I've never been one to take sleep aids, never thought they would help. I think I'll just wait to see if it passes after a couple weeks.
I've gone with benedryl for a while and it worked for me. Hope you are able to get some good sleep.
sleep deprivation is a killer...
My wife and I also have a winding down routine that involves tea, decaf, like celestial seasonings sleepy time. It helps somewhat.
Hope I don't lose my man card for saying that!
Insomnia and otherwise irregular sleep patterns are extremely common side effects of the quit. Funny thing is, they don't really understand why. Good advice above. Just ride it out and know that it will right itself soon.
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General Question here:
I am on quit day 6 (honestly the best quit for me so far) Chewed for 9 years and I'm not having urges like all other quits, mainly because I am not even thinking about it. However what is affecting me the most right now are the difficult nights. I just randomly wake up periodically throughout the night.
I work out everyday since I quit and it isn't that I'm wide awake or have "the thoughts" (for those who smoke pot) when I go to sleep. I just wake up around 2 -4 hours after I fall asleep drink a glass of water and head back to bed.
Anybody else relate that has a solid solution for this? Maybe it's just because I quit so recent, should go away in a months time or so?
Thanks!
That was me for... oh, probably the first month. I was going to bed a lot earlier than usual (not staying up later to get that last chew in), waking up periodically through the night, and waking up earlier than usual.
Roll with it. It will pass as your body adjusts. I didn't use any sleep aids, but some people have used melatonin with good results.
I haven't been going to bed any earlier, I have found it easier to drift off to sleep however.
I've never been one to take sleep aids, never thought they would help. I think I'll just wait to see if it passes after a couple weeks.
I've gone with benedryl for a while and it worked for me. Hope you are able to get some good sleep.
sleep deprivation is a killer...
My wife and I also have a winding down routine that involves tea, decaf, like celestial seasonings sleepy time. It helps somewhat.
Hope I don't lose my man card for saying that!
Insomnia and otherwise irregular sleep patterns are extremely common side effects of the quit. Funny thing is, they don't really understand why. Good advice above. Just ride it out and know that it will right itself soon.
you folks may find this interesting:
A discussion from the KillTheCan.org Facebook page about sleep (or lack thereof) during the initial stages of your quit.
https://www.killthecan.org/sleep-issues ... tting-dip/ (https://www.killthecan.org/sleep-issues-when-quitting-dip/)
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I dipped Skoal Fine Cut Wintergreen for 35 years. It was nothing to go through a can a day for me. Today I posted 477 days quit. First I just want to say
everyone should quit right now. Cold turkey, never again for any reason. If everyone would quit, that would be great. Saying that, I am writing this so that the
older guys will read it. The guy who has been dipping for 20+ years. The guy who really doesnt enjoy it as much, but still does it because quitting is tough. I
am sure you are like I was when I would buy a can(s) of dip. I need to quit this stuff, I am tired of it. What a waste of money. Maybe after these cans are
gone, then I will quit. You know that as soon as those can(s) were gone, you were back at the store buying more and making those same promises to yourself.
I am here to tell you that it is time. Time to do what we all know is the right thing. If you have dipped this long, then I know you have had that scare multiple
times, you know the one. The one where your heart skips a beat because you think you just discovered you have mouth cancer. A new bump in your lip, white
patches on your tongue. Some tickle in your throat that seems to not be getting better. These things used to worry me sick. Am I the only one that would
grab the flashlight and head to the bathroom mirror and start looking for cancer? Since I have been quit, I dont think that way anymore. Will my 35 years of
abusing myself with tobacco cause me issues in the future? I pray not, but I know that I did the right thing in quitting now. No regrets. If you had the power to
see the future and you knew the next dip was the one that would cause the cancer to start growing, would you take that dip? I think most of us would fight like
hell and do whatever it took to keep tobacco out of our mouths. Of course we do not have that power, but we do know that at some point, enough is
enough. Us 20+ year guys cant be dancing with the devil and not expcet something bad to happen. You can read stories of guys with less time than that
developing mouth cancer. When I was dipping, no way could I look at pictures of mouth cancer or even read about it. Since quitting, I have allowed myself to
view some of these pictures and read about people going through the treatments. Let me tell you, I ain't going out that way...Hell NO. It is just gruesome to
read about. You think it will be easier to quit while you are going through chemo treatments? This is real. You are on a site that helps people quit using
nicotine and reading this, so you must agree that you have had enough. Now you are trying to figure out how to do it. First thing is to know that you do not
have to do it alone. Knowing that there were guys and gals here going through the exact same thing I was made this doable. I tried on my own and failed. I
came here and went all in. I wanted to quit bad. You have to get yourself to that point and then do what it takes. If a vet tells you to post roll everyday, then
you post roll everyday with no questions asked. If a vet says you post early in the morning, then you post early in the morning. This site has worked for many
people. It will also let you down if you are not committed to being quit. No magic pills here. You have to quit for you and you have to determine that failing is
not an option. When you get to that point and you leave the ego at the door, you too can quit this addiction. You can learn what it feels like to truly be free
from nicotine. I have had 477 days of my adult life nicotine free and I wish I was smart enough to quit a long time ago. The freedom is so worth it. Read
everything you can on this site. Get your game plan together. Determine that no matter how bad I feel while quitting, tobacco will never be an option again. I
can promise you 2 things if you decide to quit. Promise 1, this will be hard. There will be times that you will question yourself. I say this to you, nobody has
ever died from quitting tobacco. You can do it! Promise 2, You will not regret quitting. It took me about 225 days or so to really feel good and not think of
tobacco. It may be shorter for you or maybe longer, but when you do reach that point, you will never look back with regret. Hopefully you will reach out like I
am doing here and try to help the next guy who is trying to figure out how to quit. Let today be day 1 of your quit...
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25 years. Last 10 years 2 cans a day. Internet math says thats the equivalent of 160 cigs a day in Nocotine math. Was on Skoal Extra Mint long cut for the last years before I went out. 10 days down and the "fog" i've read about persists. Concentration is hard. Road rage is up 200%. This site is a godsend but makes me feel like an idiot figuring out how to navigate and participate properly. It's all worth the effort though. The addiction makes me feel like a moron. The money spent has reached nearly 90k. No other company or service could have conned me so willingly. The anger makes the quit easier.
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Alright, I am looking for some support and or some answers. I need to know what the difference is between a crave, a thought, and a trigger. I have tried getting answers from people and it seems that maybe I don't understand.
Crave - to me when my body or mind is telling me that I want dip. (Like I really want a dip type feeling)
Thought - when I waiver between should I keep doing this or not? (Don't be dicks about this just answer my question. We all waiver about this, we all second guess things.)
Trigger - For instance this morning I was kinda freaking out because the guy in front of me at the C store was buying a can.
I would like to hear from anyone, new quitters or vets. Vets do not be dicks about this and just say that I have to hate Tobacco, Don't be a dick and say if your second guessing yourself you don't really want to be quit. Because I battle everyday. I am doing my dam best. I am just looking for answers and or support. If I get answers then I am educating myself and I know how to fight things off.
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Alright, I am looking for some support and or some answers. I need to know what the difference is between a crave, a thought, and a trigger. I have tried getting answers from people and it seems that maybe I don't understand.
Crave - to me when my body or mind is telling me that I want dip. (Like I really want a dip type feeling)
Thought - when I waiver between should I keep doing this or not? (Don't be dicks about this just answer my question. We all waiver about this, we all second guess things.)
Trigger - For instance this morning I was kinda freaking out because the guy in front of me at the C store was buying a can.
I would like to hear from anyone, new quitters or vets. Vets do not be dicks about this and just say that I have to hate Tobacco, Don't be a dick and say if your second guessing yourself you don't really want to be quit. Because I battle everyday. I am doing my dam best. I am just looking for answers and or support. If I get answers then I am educating myself and I know how to fight things off.
I think you've got a handle on it.
A crave is that actual physical feeling of wanting a dip. Kind of like a hunger pang. There's a physical component.
A trigger is something that can cause a crave. If there's any activity you used to ALWAYS have a dip in for, then that can be a trigger. Mowing the grass... working on the car... driving alone... whatever it is, it throws your mind straight into "WHERE'S MY DIP?!?" mode. You might be able to predict a trigger in advance, or they might catch you by surprise and only be visible in hindsight.
The thoughts...
Once you're past the first couple of weeks, and the nicotine is out of your system and your body is starting to adjust, then it's ALL mental. You don't need nicotine, but you may will want it. At that point quitting is all about learning to say "no" to those thoughts, over and over and over.
So yeah. Those thoughts do come. Will come. "Why am I doing this?" "Why bother?" "Maybe just one?"
Those thoughts SUCK. I still have them at over a year. I know other guys who are further along than I who have them as well. They go on for a long while. Because we're addicts.
It does get easier to deal with them. Posting roll everyday is a big part of that. It helps remind you that you're actively quitting, that you've made that choice for today, and mentally prepares you to say "no" when those thoughts come into your head. Because your quit gets to the point where it's 100% mental.
We need that daily reminder that we don't use that crap anymore, because evidence is that if we don't, we forget... and then those thoughts start to sound reasonable.
Plus, sticking around and talking to other quitters helps, because when you start having those thoughts - they'll understand. Because they do, too.
That's why you'll hear people telling you that you need to develop a hatred for nicotine... not because they're being internet tough guys, but because that's how they defend themselves against those thoughts. They're doing their best to build a wall between themselves and those thoughts to keep them safe.
So, if you're fighting those thoughts every day... good. Because whatever you're going through, you're still fighting.
That's what we're here for. To help each other fight - and win. One day at a time.
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Hey All,
Day 9 for me today. The cravings have increased the last couple days. Just the urge to have something in my lips and spit. I'm thinking about getting some smokey mountain but I have a few questions before I purchase.
Last time I tried a substitute (grinds), I lasted a few weeks and then went back to chewing hard core because the immitation just wasn't the same. Would it be wise to try a subsitute again? I just fear I'm going to lose this streak with temptation.
I also prefered Grizz WG pouches because of how much they juiced, is there something similar to this? Has anybody had the smokey mountain WG pouches? How do they stack up?
Thanks friends.
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"Just the urge to have something in my lips and spit."
Read this 1 hour later. Lmfao dying.
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Hey All,
Day 9 for me today. The cravings have increased the last couple days. Just the urge to have something in my lips and spit. I'm thinking about getting some smokey mountain but I have a few questions before I purchase.
Last time I tried a substitute (grinds), I lasted a few weeks and then went back to chewing hard core because the immitation just wasn't the same. Would it be wise to try a subsitute again? I just fear I'm going to lose this streak with temptation.
I also prefered Grizz WG pouches because of how much they juiced, is there something similar to this? Has anybody had the smokey mountain WG pouches? How do they stack up?
Thanks friends.
Smokey mountain is alright, I usually save it just for emergencies. (long drives, giants games, niner games, fasting days) It's up to personal preference but I chose the get fatter option over the load up on fake dip option. No matter what you choose its better than nicotine and whatever works is whatever works.
The main thing to do is keep posting roll, build your brotherhood, get a bunch of digits. You can't cave today if you promised your brothers you wouldn't, and who cares about tomorrow that's another problem for another day. Just quit right here and right now thats all you can do. Shit if you want you can text me an hourly promise. Just a constant reminder "I can't cave...I promised not to, its off the table." I mean all we ask is that you be a man of your word, and you promise to be quit for 24 hours today.
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INVICTUS (William Earnest Henley)
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
For the user it ends:
Nicotine is the master of my fate:
Copenhagen is the captain of my soul.
Just because youÂ’re an addict doesnÂ’t mean you have to use. It doesn't have to define you.
You can be the master of your fate, you can be the captain of you soul.
PM me. WeÂ’ll talk about it.
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I decided last night after taking out my last pinch of Skoal Apple thathat I was done. I've been having tightness under my chin a little bit after eating and it feels sore or almost tired. A little bit of hoarseness or clearing my throat the past week. I Google stuff and read all the bad things and told myself I was done. I have 2 children and a wife that need me. I'm tired of the acid reflux/heartburn and that may be a reason for some of my symptoms lately. I'm not a can of day guy. I only crave a dip at night when I'm winding down around 8 or so. I had about 3 dips a night between 8 and 11. I've been on and off for about 10 years and I just said enough is enough. I can feel it controlling me and I'll get anxious once ive used a little bit of my can and feel I need to buy another the next day so I'm sure not to run out of it. I don't know if it's the oral fixation late at night or the nicotine that has the hold of me. I'm sure it's a combination of both. What are some good alternatives that are just like the horrible one I've been on for years? I'm even on with pouches. I'm just ready to kick this and need something to tide me over and help me get through this initial rough patch.
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Alright, I am looking for some support and or some answers. I need to know what the difference is between a crave, a thought, and a trigger. I have tried getting answers from people and it seems that maybe I don't understand.
Crave - to me when my body or mind is telling me that I want dip. (Like I really want a dip type feeling)
Thought - when I waiver between should I keep doing this or not? (Don't be dicks about this just answer my question. We all waiver about this, we all second guess things.)
Trigger - For instance this morning I was kinda freaking out because the guy in front of me at the C store was buying a can.
I would like to hear from anyone, new quitters or vets. Vets do not be dicks about this and just say that I have to hate Tobacco, Don't be a dick and say if your second guessing yourself you don't really want to be quit. Because I battle everyday. I am doing my dam best. I am just looking for answers and or support. If I get answers then I am educating myself and I know how to fight things off.
I think you've got a handle on it.
A crave is that actual physical feeling of wanting a dip. Kind of like a hunger pang. There's a physical component.
A trigger is something that can cause a crave. If there's any activity you used to ALWAYS have a dip in for, then that can be a trigger. Mowing the grass... working on the car... driving alone... whatever it is, it throws your mind straight into "WHERE'S MY DIP?!?" mode. You might be able to predict a trigger in advance, or they might catch you by surprise and only be visible in hindsight.
The thoughts...
Once you're past the first couple of weeks, and the nicotine is out of your system and your body is starting to adjust, then it's ALL mental. You don't need nicotine, but you may will want it. At that point quitting is all about learning to say "no" to those thoughts, over and over and over.
So yeah. Those thoughts do come. Will come. "Why am I doing this?" "Why bother?" "Maybe just one?"
Those thoughts SUCK. I still have them at over a year. I know other guys who are further along than I who have them as well. They go on for a long while. Because we're addicts.
It does get easier to deal with them. Posting roll everyday is a big part of that. It helps remind you that you're actively quitting, that you've made that choice for today, and mentally prepares you to say "no" when those thoughts come into your head. Because your quit gets to the point where it's 100% mental.
We need that daily reminder that we don't use that crap anymore, because evidence is that if we don't, we forget... and then those thoughts start to sound reasonable.
Plus, sticking around and talking to other quitters helps, because when you start having those thoughts - they'll understand. Because they do, too.
That's why you'll hear people telling you that you need to develop a hatred for nicotine... not because they're being internet tough guys, but because that's how they defend themselves against those thoughts. They're doing their best to build a wall between themselves and those thoughts to keep them safe.
So, if you're fighting those thoughts every day... good. Because whatever you're going through, you're still fighting.
That's what we're here for. To help each other fight - and win. One day at a time.
This.
This is brilliant.
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I decided last night after taking out my last pinch of Skoal Apple thathat I was done. I've been having tightness under my chin a little bit after eating and it feels sore or almost tired. A little bit of hoarseness or clearing my throat the past week. I Google stuff and read all the bad things and told myself I was done. I have 2 children and a wife that need me. I'm tired of the acid reflux/heartburn and that may be a reason for some of my symptoms lately. I'm not a can of day guy. I only crave a dip at night when I'm winding down around 8 or so. I had about 3 dips a night between 8 and 11. I've been on and off for about 10 years and I just said enough is enough. I can feel it controlling me and I'll get anxious once ive used a little bit of my can and feel I need to buy another the next day so I'm sure not to run out of it. I don't know if it's the oral fixation late at night or the nicotine that has the hold of me. I'm sure it's a combination of both. What are some good alternatives that are just like the horrible one I've been on for years? I'm even on with pouches. I'm just ready to kick this and need something to tide me over and help me get through this initial rough patch.
Check out some nicotine free chew. I use Smokey Mountain. I also use Hooch. Try some different ones out. DonÂ’t feel bad about using them. I dipped about the same as you. I sit on the couch at night with a smokey to relax. Eventually that will go to because there is no nic.
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one more reason to say FUCK Phillip Morris.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/this-ph ... habit.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/this-philip-morris-device-knows-a-lot-about-your-smoking-habit.html)
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one more reason to say FUCK Phillip Morris.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/this-ph ... habit.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/this-philip-morris-device-knows-a-lot-about-your-smoking-habit.html)
Evil will enter this world but woe to him through whom it comes. Better a millstone were tied around his neck and he be thrown into the sea...
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Odd things I got back after quitting...
Passengers no longer have to hold their drinks. I have an open cup holder
No longer stealing straws so I can discretely spit into cups and cans
No longer swinging through a fast food place to order a drink i don't need so I can have a cup at my desk at work
Don't need to sit in the same spot on the couch so my spit cup is on the table near by
Not driving out of the way because the first gas station i went to was out of my dip. (Skoal mint extra)
No longer visiting gas stations for reasons other than to get gas
Spit stains on the side of the tub I had to clean but not really yet because Hootch stains too...
Feelings of anxiety when the can supply got lower than the expected time before I could drop in for a refill
Time in the morning I needed to wake up and let the Dip soak in before getting ready for the day
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Odd things I got back after quitting...
Passengers no longer have to hold their drinks. I have an open cup holder
No longer stealing straws so I can discretely spit into cups and cans
No longer swinging through a fast food place to order a drink i don't need so I can have a cup at my desk at work
Don't need to sit in the same spot on the couch so my spit cup is on the table near by
Not driving out of the way because the first gas station i went to was out of my dip. (Skoal mint extra)
No longer visiting gas stations for reasons other than to get gas
Spit stains on the side of the tub I had to clean but not really yet because Hootch stains too...
Feelings of anxiety when the can supply got lower than the expected time before I could drop in for a refill
Time in the morning I needed to wake up and let the Dip soak in before getting ready for the day
Keep it up Mike. This list will get about 10 times longer if you stick with it.
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Odd things I got back after quitting...
Passengers no longer have to hold their drinks. I have an open cup holder
No longer stealing straws so I can discretely spit into cups and cans
No longer swinging through a fast food place to order a drink i don't need so I can have a cup at my desk at work
Don't need to sit in the same spot on the couch so my spit cup is on the table near by
Not driving out of the way because the first gas station i went to was out of my dip. (Skoal mint extra)
No longer visiting gas stations for reasons other than to get gas
Spit stains on the side of the tub I had to clean but not really yet because Hootch stains too...
Feelings of anxiety when the can supply got lower than the expected time before I could drop in for a refill
Time in the morning I needed to wake up and let the Dip soak in before getting ready for the day
Ya feelin that Mike?
Feels like .......... FREEDOM!
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Odd things I got back after quitting...
Passengers no longer have to hold their drinks. I have an open cup holder
No longer stealing straws so I can discretely spit into cups and cans
No longer swinging through a fast food place to order a drink i don't need so I can have a cup at my desk at work
Don't need to sit in the same spot on the couch so my spit cup is on the table near by
Not driving out of the way because the first gas station i went to was out of my dip. (Skoal mint extra)
No longer visiting gas stations for reasons other than to get gas
Spit stains on the side of the tub I had to clean but not really yet because Hootch stains too...
Feelings of anxiety when the can supply got lower than the expected time before I could drop in for a refill
Time in the morning I needed to wake up and let the Dip soak in before getting ready for the day
Ya feelin that Mike?
Feels like .......... FREEDOM!
Freeeeedom! (https://media.giphy.com/media/6901DbEbbm4o0/giphy.gif)
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(time=1523934752)]Basically the three questions that provoke introspection on why you told Sept '17 to fuck off and broke your word to us. I just posted a 312 and here you are back at Day 1. That's gotta suck and I hope it does.
1. What happened that you broke your promise to us and decided to pick up a can?
I can't recall the details at this point but I took a dip.2. Why did it happen?
I really wanted a dip3. What are you going to do differently?
Not take a dip. Not miss roll. Not be so quick to give up. Drink more water, exercise. Don't drink alcohol. Chew gum when I want to. Use soda if I have to. Be ready for triggers and learn to ride them out. Think about my reasons for quitting hard when I want to cave. Talk to fellow members in order to create more accountability for myself and other people4. Do you REALLY want to quit? It's 10:00 CST now and you're not on roll yet. Wake up, piss post...it doesn't look like you're serious.
Of course I am serious. Piss post... what makes you say that that's interestingYou can come back from this but you have to want it. July '18 AND Sept '17 will need your answers to these questions posted.
Broc
Are you saying to post them in those threads?
what the fuck you lousy ass shit. you never posted this in eether of the threds did you? or evin feb 18.. you no the groop you posted like 6 times in?
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I spent all day today at the company wellness expo manning a table for nicotine cessation - a big KTC banner on the front of it. More than a few boys took home a trifold KTC brochure. A lot of information.
Would love to see some of them here this evening. Would absolutely make my day....
Brian 22 years current poison Marlboro menthols
Shake 6 years longhorn straight
Mug 14 years Marlboro menthol lite
Stank 20 years, now on the vape, not ready to quit
Flex 22 years Copenhagen
Corey 21 years Stokers mint
Colby Jack 9 years Grizzly
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
ThatÂ’s great! I will give those a try!
Appreciate the tip!
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
ThatÂ’s great! I will give those a try!
Appreciate the tip!
I do smokey and hooch, they both seem to tear me up a bit but I believe itÂ’s because our mouths are not getting tore up by fiber glass anymore. Our mouth are probly more sensitive now that we actually have skin growing back.
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
ThatÂ’s great! I will give those a try!
Appreciate the tip!
I do smokey and hooch, they both seem to tear me up a bit but I believe itÂ’s because our mouths are not getting tore up by fiber glass anymore. Our mouth are probly more sensitive now that we actually have skin growing back.
Lol I literally just ordered Jake's cinnamon pouches. I really liked the regular cinnamon mint chew (non-pouches) except for how messy it was. So, I just ordered the pouches hoping that they would be a non-messy alternative, as well as one that I can discreetly use at work. Hopefully it doesn't tear my mouth up.
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Hello there farpatch
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
ThatÂ’s great! I will give those a try!
Appreciate the tip!
I do smokey and hooch, they both seem to tear me up a bit but I believe itÂ’s because our mouths are not getting tore up by fiber glass anymore. Our mouth are probly more sensitive now that we actually have skin growing back.
Lol I literally just ordered Jake's cinnamon pouches. I really liked the regular cinnamon mint chew (non-pouches) except for how messy it was. So, I just ordered the pouches hoping that they would be a non-messy alternative, as well as one that I can discreetly use at work. Hopefully it doesn't tear my mouth up.
They give a good sting at the beginning for about 2-3 minutes but then that wears off and they are enjoyable!
I have been using the pouches for 2 weeks now and they don't tear me up like they did those first few days.
Enjoy them! The cinnamon bite is the closest thing I have found to the bite of "normal" chew and I like that.
I use them at work too - very discrete!
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anyone had jake's mint chew cinnamon pouches before?
gave them a try for the first time this week and my gums are so damn tore up - my gums are killing me- it hurts when I chew food, it hurts to touch my jaw. they are all bruised in the two spots I had the pouches.
my mouth/gums never hurt this bad when I was chewing the real stuff
anyone else experience this?
I tried a variety of Jakes early in my quit. All of it RIPPED MY MOUTH to shreds....eventually found Smokey Mountain....better flavors....didn't shred my mouth at all like Jakes...
ThatÂ’s great! I will give those a try!
Appreciate the tip!
I do smokey and hooch, they both seem to tear me up a bit but I believe itÂ’s because our mouths are not getting tore up by fiber glass anymore. Our mouth are probly more sensitive now that we actually have skin growing back.
Lol I literally just ordered Jake's cinnamon pouches. I really liked the regular cinnamon mint chew (non-pouches) except for how messy it was. So, I just ordered the pouches hoping that they would be a non-messy alternative, as well as one that I can discreetly use at work. Hopefully it doesn't tear my mouth up.
They give a good sting at the beginning for about 2-3 minutes but then that wears off and they are enjoyable!
I have been using the pouches for 2 weeks now and they don't tear me up like they did those first few days.
Enjoy them! The cinnamon bite is the closest thing I have found to the bite of "normal" chew and I like that.
I use them at work too - very discrete!
@Blugold, Nice! That sounds exactly like what I'm looking for.
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After quitting recently, I have been hyper sensitive to my gums and jaw
A few days ago, I noticed a weird indent or receding gum line on the right side of my mouth - basically under my teeth/jaw line. It looks like my gums are sinking in.
The thing is, that isn't even the side i help my dips on - I used the other side of my mouth, so I have no idea why this is happening, or if this is just normal.
Pic of my mouth (https://imgur.com/YeBFDFo)
I know I should talk to my dentist, and I have my appointment scheduled, but wanted to get opinions to hold me over until I go in to see her.
In the pic - on the left side of the pic, you can see the area under my teeth is sunken in compared to the right side of the pic - but again, that isn't the side where I held my chew - so I don't know why it would be impacted by the tobacco
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
Hey Bubba,
Good looking out the "alts". I tried Smokey Mountain literally one time on my second day quit and then I looked at it and said if I'm quitting, I'm quitting. I don't need something that acts like dip but isn't just to satisfy my physical need for something in my mouth. At that point I threw it away and bought some sunflower seeds. I go through one bag of seeds in maybe two or three weeks and its only on my drive home from work to help keep me awake.
It is a complete mental game. If you can tell yourself you don't need it, then you wont need it.
Shoot me a PM if you want my digits.
chris2alaska 138 and proud to quit with you.
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
Hey Bubba,
Good looking out the "alts". I tried Smokey Mountain literally one time on my second day quit and then I looked at it and said if I'm quitting, I'm quitting. I don't need something that acts like dip but isn't just to satisfy my physical need for something in my mouth. At that point I threw it away and bought some sunflower seeds. I go through one bag of seeds in maybe two or three weeks and its only on my drive home from work to help keep me awake.
It is a complete mental game. If you can tell yourself you don't need it, then you wont need it.
Shoot me a PM if you want my digits.
chris2alaska 138 and proud to quit with you.
Chris I have found that it takes me forever to get through a can of fake dip. I havenÂ’t even had one yet today. I bought some different brands just for fun. I put it up in my cupboard and I literally forget I have like 3 cans of fake. When I work outside I usually put in a fake. I have been pounding seeds lately.
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
I did.
I chewed more than a can / day of the fake stuff for a good 220+ days or so into my quit. Now I rarely touch the stuff unless I'm sampling for reviews.
That said, I've always been a big proponent of fake. I see them as quitting aids in your toolbelt. USE THEM if they make your quit easier.
Chewie
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For anyone looking for a good fake dip, I have done Kodiak and grizzly long cut wintergreen for the last 35 years up until 5 days ago. I have tried several different fake canÂ’s. This dip called Smokey Mountain premium wintergreen seems to be the best to me
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
I did.
I chewed more than a can / day of the fake stuff for a good 220+ days or so into my quit. Now I rarely touch the stuff unless I'm sampling for reviews.
That said, I've always been a big proponent of fake. I see them as quitting aids in your toolbelt. USE THEM if they make your quit easier.
Chewie
I have never used the fake, used sunflower seeds or anything in the like. However, I have been told and have heard many people say that GRINDS is a great alternative. I love my coffee so I feel that this could totally help.
https://www.getgrinds.com/ (https://www.getgrinds.com/)
take a look and see what you think, as long as it helps you quit!
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Why do we put Nicotine products on our alternative page here? I was buying some different alternatives and there are a few that have nicotine. These should be taken down so people do not get confused and buy them.
We only review the products that are 100% nicotine free. This is clearly called out in every review we do.
In a perfect world all of these alts would be nic free, but the reality is some of these companies (that offer various levels of nic products) have some outstanding nic free options. I'd hate to not let folks know about these options.
No problem...I was just looking at a few and was getting super confused last night. Probly because I am polish Chewie. And I was hesitant to buy some of those just Incase. I went for Beaver chew, bac off, and herd sports chew.
Chewie, did you use any fake? Do you still? How long did you use fake?
I did.
I chewed more than a can / day of the fake stuff for a good 220+ days or so into my quit. Now I rarely touch the stuff unless I'm sampling for reviews.
That said, I've always been a big proponent of fake. I see them as quitting aids in your toolbelt. USE THEM if they make your quit easier.
Chewie
I have never used the fake, used sunflower seeds or anything in the like. However, I have been told and have heard many people say that GRINDS is a great alternative. I love my coffee so I feel that this could totally help.
https://www.getgrinds.com/ (https://www.getgrinds.com/)
take a look and see what you think, as long as it helps you quit!
Those Grinds are legit. They have a store locator on their site so you maybe don't have to order online. They seem to prefer 7/11 stores.
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Anybody close to Williamsburg Virginia? I am going to the teacher institute July 15. Could meet up for supper or something.
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Hello KTC Members,
I made a post in this forum section a few months back in April and wanted to thank anyone that replied to it offering advice, support, and tips of ways to help me beat this addiction. I have used nicotine every day since that post and feel like now is the time for me to man up and kick this terrible addiction for good. Before I made this post tonight I tried to do as much research as I could on the proper way to officially get started with the quit process on this site but I am little confused and hoping some fellow members could explain it a little better for me so I can follow the same steps others have used on this site.
I have only made one post so far and I can click on my account profile in the top left corner of this site and see an open box with a grey update status button next to it but no other areas for me to log my quit date or post roll and start being accountable each day during this quit process.
If it is okay as soon as I figure out how to post roll, on my daily postings I am going to add in the words, I am committed to living healthy, clean, and sober...as this is kind of a reminder to me and motivating factor behind my quit so hopefully this is okay to do and not breaking any rules.
Thanks in advance for replies to this post explaining to me in further detail exactly what steps I need to do here on this site to get the quit process started.
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Hello KTC Members,
I made a post in this forum section a few months back in April and wanted to thank anyone that replied to it offering advice, support, and tips of ways to help me beat this addiction. I have used nicotine every day since that post and feel like now is the time for me to man up and kick this terrible addiction for good. Before I made this post tonight I tried to do as much research as I could on the proper way to officially get started with the quit process on this site but I am little confused and hoping some fellow members could explain it a little better for me so I can follow the same steps others have used on this site.
I have only made one post so far and I can click on my account profile in the top left corner of this site and see an open box with a grey update status button next to it but no other areas for me to log my quit date or post roll and start being accountable each day during this quit process.
If it is okay as soon as I figure out how to post roll, on my daily postings I am going to add in the words, I am committed to living healthy, clean, and sober...as this is kind of a reminder to me and motivating factor behind my quit so hopefully this is okay to do and not breaking any rules.
Thanks in advance for replies to this post explaining to me in further detail exactly what steps I need to do here on this site to get the quit process started.
Glad you have decided to kick that nic bitch habit for good my friend. I am on my ninth day. If you go to the Tab "Quit Groups" you would be in the Quit Group with Quit Dates from June 24-July 24.
Once you quit, post roll on your first day in this group, and do so every day from here on out.
I'm sure some guys can explain it better since I am still fairly new, but I can't tell you how much it helps to have these guys' support in your path to a clean mouth!
I'll PM you my digits.
Get quit and Stay quit!!
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Not sure how to start a thread or do anything on here yet lol. About 36 hrs in nicotine free. can a day for the past 10 yrs. this is even harder than I anticipated haha
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Not sure how to start a thread or do anything on here yet lol. About 36 hrs in nicotine free. can a day for the past 10 yrs. this is even harder than I anticipated haha
Hey Grizznomore...if you are on day 3, go on over to your quit group October 2018 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30631963/49/#new) and post your name, your quit day count (3) and promise to keep nicotine out of your body for the day. Also, go on over to Introductions (http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/) and start a thread to introduce yourself!
Congratulations on your decision to quit!!!
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Hey appreciate it, has not been easy. Im trying to figure out how to start my own thread on the introductions but i cant focus whatsoever at the momemnt
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For all you addicts who want to quit but aren't sure you can do it, President Thomas J. Whitmore has a message for you:
Mankind -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for your freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!
A speech from Independence Day that I think works here. Let's celebrate our independence from that horrid bitch! What better day than today to quit? Get your asses in here and quit. That can of chew never did anything positive for you or me. For roughly 25 years I helped pay the mortgages for assholes who were trying to kill me. Assholes who would poison my kids with that shit. Helped pay for their vacations and their kids private schools. No more! They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind. Rise up as the whirlwind and quit with us.
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Still a slave...but I'm here...with questions.
I'm 50yrs old and a retired US Marine. I've been dipping since I was 12: 20+ yrs Cope snuff; switched to Skoal Mint in Iraq (all they had was plastic lid "Formaldahagen"); been dipping Skoal pouches the last yr or two. I even dipped in boot camp; a buddy would send me Pringles with a few "missing". At my worst, it's been 1.5-2 cans/day; about 1 can/2days currently. I've been rolling the dice with my health for too long, especially since I've been gutting it since high school. I need to quit. I want to quit.
I can't quit on my own. I've tried several times in the past; I've made many of the same mistakes I've read about on here: cigars, cigarettes. Every time I've failed and I'm back in chains. I used vaping 2yrs ago and even backed the nic down to 0% over a few weeks...but again, I failed to respect, and prepare for, the craving of a big, fat lipper.
Been thinking about it for a few weeks now: why I failed; what do I need to do to make the next time the last time. For me, I think I've got 3 areas that I need to address: 1) nicotine (duh), 2) oral fixation (if I dont have worm dirt in my mouth, I'm eating. I still fall asleep at least once a week with a dip in), and 3) accountability / help. My research has led me here, and I have some questions:
1) Nicotine. I know y'all promote cold-turkey, but why? What about the nic patches, where you back off over a few weeks? Honest questions...this scares the shit out of me and my track record aint exactly stellar. I have an appt with my doc next week. I was going to ask her about the patches, til I started reading your posts.
2) Oral fixation: My nemesis!! I NEED to prepare for this...I will either fail, or gain 20 lbs a week, until I fail (been there, done it both ways). Tried an alternative once, 10-15yrs ago...it tasted like crap, was thick and heavy, and it cut up my lip worse than the Cope. Been reading your reviews. Seems like TeaZa is a favorite, but it's been awhile since any new reviews. I just ordered a sample of their Cool Mint. Any new thoughts on replacement mint pouches?
3) Accountability / Help: I like what I'm seeing. I've never been accountable for any of my numerous quits. I've never hid my dipping from anybody, except my Drill Instructors, and I gut, so its even less noticable. Even my wife knew on our 2nd date that I was a dipper. I need people that are gonna hold my feet to the fire. I need people who are gonna understand the cravings and withdrawals and all the other crap that comes with breaking these chains.
If I drink a 6pack of beer a month, that's a lot; I don't drink soda; I don't play video games; I only watch porn with the wife; I still work in the yard, walk on the treadmill, and hit my Bowflex a few times a week. But I have absolutely ZERO willpower against the worm dirt...and that scares the hell out of me (in terms of quitting AND not quitting).
If I'm going to finally kick this shit, I need a plan in place. How am I doing? What have I forgotten?
Thank y'all for your time and advice.
Sully
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Still a slave...but I'm here...with questions.
I'm 50yrs old and a retired US Marine. I've been dipping since I was 12: 20+ yrs Cope snuff; switched to Skoal Mint in Iraq (all they had was plastic lid "Formaldahagen"); been dipping Skoal pouches the last yr or two. I even dipped in boot camp; a buddy would send me Pringles with a few "missing". At my worst, it's been 1.5-2 cans/day; about 1 can/2days currently. I've been rolling the dice with my health for too long, especially since I've been gutting it since high school. I need to quit. I want to quit.
I can't quit on my own. I've tried several times in the past; I've made many of the same mistakes I've read about on here: cigars, cigarettes. Every time I've failed and I'm back in chains. I used vaping 2yrs ago and even backed the nic down to 0% over a few weeks...but again, I failed to respect, and prepare for, the craving of a big, fat lipper.
Been thinking about it for a few weeks now: why I failed; what do I need to do to make the next time the last time. For me, I think I've got 3 areas that I need to address: 1) nicotine (duh), 2) oral fixation (if I dont have worm dirt in my mouth, I'm eating. I still fall asleep at least once a week with a dip in), and 3) accountability / help. My research has led me here, and I have some questions:
1) Nicotine. I know y'all promote cold-turkey, but why? What about the nic patches, where you back off over a few weeks? Honest questions...this scares the shit out of me and my track record aint exactly stellar. I have an appt with my doc next week. I was going to ask her about the patches, til I started reading your posts.
2) Oral fixation: My nemesis!! I NEED to prepare for this...I will either fail, or gain 20 lbs a week, until I fail (been there, done it both ways). Tried an alternative once, 10-15yrs ago...it tasted like crap, was thick and heavy, and it cut up my lip worse than the Cope. Been reading your reviews. Seems like TeaZa is a favorite, but it's been awhile since any new reviews. I just ordered a sample of their Cool Mint. Any new thoughts on replacement mint pouches?
3) Accountability / Help: I like what I'm seeing. I've never been accountable for any of my numerous quits. I've never hid my dipping from anybody, except my Drill Instructors, and I gut, so its even less noticable. Even my wife knew on our 2nd date that I was a dipper. I need people that are gonna hold my feet to the fire. I need people who are gonna understand the cravings and withdrawals and all the other crap that comes with breaking these chains.
If I drink a 6pack of beer a month, that's a lot; I don't drink soda; I don't play video games; I only watch porn with the wife; I still work in the yard, walk on the treadmill, and hit my Bowflex a few times a week. But I have absolutely ZERO willpower against the worm dirt...and that scares the hell out of me (in terms of quitting AND not quitting).
If I'm going to finally kick this shit, I need a plan in place. How am I doing? What have I forgotten?
Thank y'all for your time and advice.
Sully
Sully,
I can only tell you what I know. I have been 100% nicotine free for 7 full days - almost 8 as I write this. I dipped for 20 years. It started for me in the Army. I thought I'd be a more respected platoon leader if I dipped (which, looking back on it, probably didn't matter whatsoever). Why did I quit? Because I don't want to get cancer and die - it's that simple.
You have to take the first step.
Throw out all your dip and anything else with nicotine in it right now. It sucks but it's the only way. Keeping nicotine with you just perpetuates your addiction. We are addicts. We are addicted to nicotine. It's a drug and we're addicts. Period. It has to go. All of it.
Then join this community and post roll call every day without exceptions and get people's cell numbers.
As an addict, you will always find a reason not to quit today...to rationalize...to circumvent what you know must happen. You have to throw all of that out and QUIT RIGHT NOW. Take the plunge. Do not put it off. The right time to QUIT is right now. It's always right now. Here at KTC, we quit every day when we wake up in the morning. There's no pretense here and no bullshit. It's very raw. But as addicts we need that.
As addicts you cannot quit on your own. Impossible. You need a group. Just like the Marines or the Army. A group makes you stronger.
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Sean Fiske,
Thank you for the reply. Thats the type of accountability and motivation I know I'll need.
I also applaud you, and every other member who can "do it NOW".
I myself did that once. I threw away half a log, and made it longer than 3 weeks. But as I stated in my first post, I failed to acknowledge, respect, and prepare for the oral fixation, or Empty Lip Syndrome (ELS). I tried everything from gum, to lollipops, to beef jerky, sunflower seeds, coffee grinds, tea bags, potato chips, candy bars, and any other crap I could shove in my face. I could never find anything to satisfy my ELS, and I caved.
That reason is why I havent quit...yet. Dont misunderstand me..I WILL quit. I am very determined to quit. However, the old adages "know yourself" and "to thine own self, be true" apply here.
The ELS affects me deeply. I KNOW this about myself. Thats why I'm doing research now, BEFORE I quit. So I can have something ready to help me with that aspect. Thats why I was asking for recommendations for alternatives. I dip Skoal Pouches...Mint, Spearamint, and Wintergreen. Yesterday, I ordered some TeaZa and BaccOff pouches.
I did more research yesterday about the nicotine aspect of quitting. Tom S replied to me and confirmed what I was finding online: the nicotine is only in your system for a few days. So, I have decided that I am not going to do the patches or any other weaning regimen. Why prolong it.
My doc wanted to prescribe me Wellbutrin. But I have never dipped FOR any particular reason. Not for stress or depression or anything else. I simply have a dip in all day and sometimes all night too. And the side-effects are scary, so I'm not going to do that either.
I have announced my upcoming quit to my wife, my kids, and my coworkers; I have made them read about what I'm going to do, and what they'll have to put up with. They are all on board and have agreed to help with my accountability. I have joined this site where I know I'll have co-quitters to answer to.
Again, I appaud you Sean Fiske for being able to just "do it now". I do not have your level of willpower. But over my numerous failures, I have learned about my addiction and my weaknesses. I have done a bunch of research, and have asked for help.
I didn't put the lift-kit on my truck until I made sure I had all the tools I needed to do the job right. I'm trying to do that here, with my quit. What tools have I forgotten? What have I over-looked?
I am not about to jeapordize my quit by going into it half-assed. Not this time...
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Sean Fiske,
Thank you for the reply. Thats the type of accountability and motivation I know I'll need.
I also applaud you, and every other member who can "do it NOW".
I myself did that once. I threw away half a log, and made it longer than 3 weeks. But as I stated in my first post, I failed to acknowledge, respect, and prepare for the oral fixation, or Empty Lip Syndrome (ELS). I tried everything from gum, to lollipops, to beef jerky, sunflower seeds, coffee grinds, tea bags, potato chips, candy bars, and any other crap I could shove in my face. I could never find anything to satisfy my ELS, and I caved.
That reason is why I havent quit...yet. Dont misunderstand me..I WILL quit. I am very determined to quit. However, the old adages "know yourself" and "to thine own self, be true" apply here.
The ELS affects me deeply. I KNOW this about myself. Thats why I'm doing research now, BEFORE I quit. So I can have something ready to help me with that aspect. Thats why I was asking for recommendations for alternatives. I dip Skoal Pouches...Mint, Spearamint, and Wintergreen. Yesterday, I ordered some TeaZa and BaccOff pouches.
I did more research yesterday about the nicotine aspect of quitting. Tom S replied to me and confirmed what I was finding online: the nicotine is only in your system for a few days. So, I have decided that I am not going to do the patches or any other weaning regimen. Why prolong it.
My doc wanted to prescribe me Wellbutrin. But I have never dipped FOR any particular reason. Not for stress or depression or anything else. I simply have a dip in all day and sometimes all night too. And the side-effects are scary, so I'm not going to do that either.
I have announced my upcoming quit to my wife, my kids, and my coworkers; I have made them read about what I'm going to do, and what they'll have to put up with. They are all on board and have agreed to help with my accountability. I have joined this site where I know I'll have co-quitters to answer to.
Again, I appaud you Sean Fiske for being able to just "do it now". I do not have your level of willpower. But over my numerous failures, I have learned about my addiction and my weaknesses. I have done a bunch of research, and have asked for help.
I didn't put the lift-kit on my truck until I made sure I had all the tools I needed to do the job right. I'm trying to do that here, with my quit. What tools have I forgotten? What have I over-looked?
I am not about to jeapordize my quit by going into it half-assed. Not this time...
Sully,
The only thing I guess I can suggest for the ELS is the fake stuff - the non-nicotine non-tobacco alternatives. There's some info on this website about it. I don't know anything about it but it really might make all the difference in your case. Some guys use it extensively. Others don't. Check into it. Try it out.
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Sean Fiske,
Thank you for the reply. Thats the type of accountability and motivation I know I'll need.
I also applaud you, and every other member who can "do it NOW".
I myself did that once. I threw away half a log, and made it longer than 3 weeks. But as I stated in my first post, I failed to acknowledge, respect, and prepare for the oral fixation, or Empty Lip Syndrome (ELS). I tried everything from gum, to lollipops, to beef jerky, sunflower seeds, coffee grinds, tea bags, potato chips, candy bars, and any other crap I could shove in my face. I could never find anything to satisfy my ELS, and I caved.
That reason is why I havent quit...yet. Dont misunderstand me..I WILL quit. I am very determined to quit. However, the old adages "know yourself" and "to thine own self, be true" apply here.
The ELS affects me deeply. I KNOW this about myself. Thats why I'm doing research now, BEFORE I quit. So I can have something ready to help me with that aspect. Thats why I was asking for recommendations for alternatives. I dip Skoal Pouches...Mint, Spearamint, and Wintergreen. Yesterday, I ordered some TeaZa and BaccOff pouches.
I did more research yesterday about the nicotine aspect of quitting. Tom S replied to me and confirmed what I was finding online: the nicotine is only in your system for a few days. So, I have decided that I am not going to do the patches or any other weaning regimen. Why prolong it.
My doc wanted to prescribe me Wellbutrin. But I have never dipped FOR any particular reason. Not for stress or depression or anything else. I simply have a dip in all day and sometimes all night too. And the side-effects are scary, so I'm not going to do that either.
I have announced my upcoming quit to my wife, my kids, and my coworkers; I have made them read about what I'm going to do, and what they'll have to put up with. They are all on board and have agreed to help with my accountability. I have joined this site where I know I'll have co-quitters to answer to.
Again, I appaud you Sean Fiske for being able to just "do it now". I do not have your level of willpower. But over my numerous failures, I have learned about my addiction and my weaknesses. I have done a bunch of research, and have asked for help.
I didn't put the lift-kit on my truck until I made sure I had all the tools I needed to do the job right. I'm trying to do that here, with my quit. What tools have I forgotten? What have I over-looked?
I am not about to jeapordize my quit by going into it half-assed. Not this time...
Sully,
The only thing I guess I can suggest for the ELS is the fake stuff - the non-nicotine non-tobacco alternatives. There's some info on this website about it. I don't know anything about it but it really might make all the difference in your case. Some guys use it extensively. Others don't. Check into it. Try it out.
I always recommend that everyone read Allen Carr's "Easy Way to Stop Smoking." It is not a long read, but it helped me tremendously in my quit. Just mentally swap out smoking for dipping, it doesn't change a thing - nicotine is nicotine regardless as to the delivery system.
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Still a slave...but I'm here...with questions.
I'm 50yrs old and a retired US Marine. I've been dipping since I was 12: 20+ yrs Cope snuff; switched to Skoal Mint in Iraq (all they had was plastic lid "Formaldahagen"); been dipping Skoal pouches the last yr or two. I even dipped in boot camp; a buddy would send me Pringles with a few "missing". At my worst, it's been 1.5-2 cans/day; about 1 can/2days currently. I've been rolling the dice with my health for too long, especially since I've been gutting it since high school. I need to quit. I want to quit.
I can't quit on my own. I've tried several times in the past; I've made many of the same mistakes I've read about on here: cigars, cigarettes. Every time I've failed and I'm back in chains. I used vaping 2yrs ago and even backed the nic down to 0% over a few weeks...but again, I failed to respect, and prepare for, the craving of a big, fat lipper.
Been thinking about it for a few weeks now: why I failed; what do I need to do to make the next time the last time. For me, I think I've got 3 areas that I need to address: 1) nicotine (duh), 2) oral fixation (if I dont have worm dirt in my mouth, I'm eating. I still fall asleep at least once a week with a dip in), and 3) accountability / help. My research has led me here, and I have some questions:
1) Nicotine. I know y'all promote cold-turkey, but why? What about the nic patches, where you back off over a few weeks? Honest questions...this scares the shit out of me and my track record aint exactly stellar. I have an appt with my doc next week. I was going to ask her about the patches, til I started reading your posts.
2) Oral fixation: My nemesis!! I NEED to prepare for this...I will either fail, or gain 20 lbs a week, until I fail (been there, done it both ways). Tried an alternative once, 10-15yrs ago...it tasted like crap, was thick and heavy, and it cut up my lip worse than the Cope. Been reading your reviews. Seems like TeaZa is a favorite, but it's been awhile since any new reviews. I just ordered a sample of their Cool Mint. Any new thoughts on replacement mint pouches?
3) Accountability / Help: I like what I'm seeing. I've never been accountable for any of my numerous quits. I've never hid my dipping from anybody, except my Drill Instructors, and I gut, so its even less noticable. Even my wife knew on our 2nd date that I was a dipper. I need people that are gonna hold my feet to the fire. I need people who are gonna understand the cravings and withdrawals and all the other crap that comes with breaking these chains.
If I drink a 6pack of beer a month, that's a lot; I don't drink soda; I don't play video games; I only watch porn with the wife; I still work in the yard, walk on the treadmill, and hit my Bowflex a few times a week. But I have absolutely ZERO willpower against the worm dirt...and that scares the hell out of me (in terms of quitting AND not quitting).
If I'm going to finally kick this shit, I need a plan in place. How am I doing? What have I forgotten?
Thank y'all for your time and advice.
Sully
I chewed for roughly 25 years, Skoal OFC, longcut, Cope, etc. I mixed it up quite a bit and stayed pretty steady at 1 can every 3 days which is a lot less than many. I tried to quit on my own and made it three years at the longest. Ruined it because I thought I had beaten the bitch so I bought a pouch of Redman to go fishing because I didn't really consider that "chew" and I could quit after that fishing expedition. Three years down the toilet. I suspect that's a pretty common story, and why this website works. Accountability to someone beside yourself. Being a Marine, you know about brotherhood and the importance of your word which is why you'll be fine here.
It's going to suck, there's no way around that.
You're going to gain weight, no way around that (that I've found).
Headaches, stomach aches, constipation, insomnia, anger, temporary insanity, etc. That's just the stuff you're going to have to accept for a while. It does get easier and it's a lot cheaper than dental surgery and funerals.
For me, after about two weeks my mouth felt a lot better and I actually had minty fresh breath after brushing instead of minty fresh Skoal Wintergreen breath. Not having nasty spit cups in the truck. Not worried about my boys seeing me chew and think it's "cool" cause dad does it.
Like I said, there's a lot of suck ahead but we did this to ourselves. The freedom far outweighs the suck you will go through. As for the ELS, I use Smoky Mountain, Baccoff rough cut, Cinnamon Roll Grinds, gum and sunflower seeds. Backing off the seeds for a while to try and help with the weight gain (15 pounds in 50 days).
So anyway, no better time than now. Jump on in and quit being a slave to some bullshit plant.
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I saw this quote online and thought it applied to all of us on KTC:
"Next year, you'll wish you started today."
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I saw this quote online and thought it applied to all of us on KTC:
"Next year, you'll wish you started today."
Also a fan of my signature quote:
“If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'.” -- A
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So after talking with my wife last night, I basically told her I don't think I could ever do the "alternative" dips. Now, let me explain..
To me, even putting a pinch of jerky chew in my lip will associate with dip. I'm not sure how others feel, but to me it's gotta be cold turkey and that is it because any little deviation or "look-alike" is just gonna keep my cravings rolling in and my mind thinking, "We're so close to doing the real thing, let's just get a can already!".
I've tried beaverchew, sunflower seeds (which I never recommend doing in excess because of massive weight gain I've seen in friends), and other mint leaf chews but nothing satisfies enough and I always ended up coming back to real Copenhagen.
So, am I the only one who can't tempt myself with the alternatives?
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So after talking with my wife last night, I basically told her I don't think I could ever do the "alternative" dips. Now, let me explain..
To me, even putting a pinch of jerky chew in my lip will associate with dip. I'm not sure how others feel, but to me it's gotta be cold turkey and that is it because any little deviation or "look-alike" is just gonna keep my cravings rolling in and my mind thinking, "We're so close to doing the real thing, let's just get a can already!".
I've tried beaverchew, sunflower seeds (which I never recommend doing in excess because of massive weight gain I've seen in friends), and other mint leaf chews but nothing satisfies enough and I always ended up coming back to real Copenhagen.
So, am I the only one who can't tempt myself with the alternatives?
No. There are a lot of quitters on here that don't like the close association with real thing. If it doesn't work for you, find something else that does. Gum (non nicotine variety), hard candy, coffee grounds, toothpicks, straws, etc. Whatever it takes to keep the real thing out of your mouth. Also, try not to get too down on yourself this early. The deck is already stacked against you when you start out and if you start dogging yourself too, it's a recipe for disaster. The KTC method is tried and true. Whether you use alternatives or not, post roll, be a man of your word and help others do the same. Do what works for your Fitz so long as nicotine is not involved.
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So after talking with my wife last night, I basically told her I don't think I could ever do the "alternative" dips. Now, let me explain..
To me, even putting a pinch of jerky chew in my lip will associate with dip. I'm not sure how others feel, but to me it's gotta be cold turkey and that is it because any little deviation or "look-alike" is just gonna keep my cravings rolling in and my mind thinking, "We're so close to doing the real thing, let's just get a can already!".
I've tried beaverchew, sunflower seeds (which I never recommend doing in excess because of massive weight gain I've seen in friends), and other mint leaf chews but nothing satisfies enough and I always ended up coming back to real Copenhagen.
So, am I the only one who can't tempt myself with the alternatives?
No. There are a lot of quitters on here that don't like the close association with real thing. If it doesn't work for you, find something else that does. Gum (non nicotine variety), hard candy, coffee grounds, toothpicks, straws, etc. Whatever it takes to keep the real thing out of your mouth. Also, try not to get too down on yourself this early. The deck is already stacked against you when you start out and if you start dogging yourself too, it's a recipe for disaster. The KTC method is tried and true. Whether you use alternatives or not, post roll, be a man of your word and help others do the same. Do what works for your Fitz so long as nicotine is not involved.
I dipped for 30 years, and like you, I slowed down (you don't partially quit) way too many times. When we started this place, we had a common bond and a single ambition - quit for ourselves, stay quit, and help others find the same freedom. Now through multiple health issues, having to get a full mouth of implants due to the damage I caused to myself, and a 1000 other reasons that could have been a shithead excuse for caving, I am still quit.
Marine, there is no easy way to do this. Over thinking it, preparing in advance to cave, and all the other things you are doing are just more days you are cutting from your life. Man the fuck up, dump all the shit, lock yourself in a closet or slam your nuts in a drawer, whatever.................. but do it now my friend.
We are all here to support and try to hold you accountable to your commitment. Let's get started.
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So after talking with my wife last night, I basically told her I don't think I could ever do the "alternative" dips. Now, let me explain..
To me, even putting a pinch of jerky chew in my lip will associate with dip. I'm not sure how others feel, but to me it's gotta be cold turkey and that is it because any little deviation or "look-alike" is just gonna keep my cravings rolling in and my mind thinking, "We're so close to doing the real thing, let's just get a can already!".
I've tried beaverchew, sunflower seeds (which I never recommend doing in excess because of massive weight gain I've seen in friends), and other mint leaf chews but nothing satisfies enough and I always ended up coming back to real Copenhagen.
So, am I the only one who can't tempt myself with the alternatives?
No. There are a lot of quitters on here that don't like the close association with real thing. If it doesn't work for you, find something else that does. Gum (non nicotine variety), hard candy, coffee grounds, toothpicks, straws, etc. Whatever it takes to keep the real thing out of your mouth. Also, try not to get too down on yourself this early. The deck is already stacked against you when you start out and if you start dogging yourself too, it's a recipe for disaster. The KTC method is tried and true. Whether you use alternatives or not, post roll, be a man of your word and help others do the same. Do what works for your Fitz so long as nicotine is not involved.
I dipped for 30 years, and like you, I slowed down (you don't partially quit) way too many times. When we started this place, we had a common bond and a single ambition - quit for ourselves, stay quit, and help others find the same freedom. Now through multiple health issues, having to get a full mouth of implants due to the damage I caused to myself, and a 1000 other reasons that could have been a shithead excuse for caving, I am still quit.
Marine, there is no easy way to do this. Over thinking it, preparing in advance to cave, and all the other things you are doing are just more days you are cutting from your life. Man the fuck up, dump all the shit, lock yourself in a closet or slam your nuts in a drawer, whatever.................. but do it now my friend.
We are all here to support and try to hold you accountable to your commitment. Let's get started.
I had a stroke on Valentines day 2018. I had to quit chewing after 25 years of Copenhagen snuff.
In the old days this fake mint chew tasted horrible but hooch herbal snuff taste good. I can still enjoy a nice dip in my lip while I watch a ball game
and not get the cancer that would kill me.
Hooch for is a great product, Im just sorry it took having a stroke and almost losing my life for me to find your product.
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Whenever you are faced with a problem most of the time the thing that is impeding is not something external, it is you. You can be your own worst enemy. It is how we justify our own laziness, our own choice of inaction. And surely when it is all said and done you will be the real reason you do or do not reach your goals. Why are their dishes in the sink? Because you CHOSE NOT to do them, you did not bother. The blame is placed on no one else. Why do I have no energy today? Because I didn't wake up early enough to really cook some good food and eat a good meal. You must take responsibility for every action or inaction in your life. Better yet, you can view it as a daily thing. In the exact same manner that roll is on this community here. One day a a time, (which by the way I am at this point completely convinced that it is the best most tried and true way of achieving any goal) is a great axiom which lets you achieve what you thought not possible. But this is all dependent and what you DO and DON'T DO. Do pushups get stronger, feel better, have energy etc. Don't do them and your body degrades and weakens.
I do not wish to ramble on or off the intended course. Every thing that you tell yourself, in regards to trying to achieve any sort of goal directly affects if you do indeed achieve it. Your mind may begin to look for reasons to justify not doing anything. All of these are known as excuses. Anything other than action is an excuse as far as I'm concerned. Same is true for the inverse. After all, for every action there is a reaction see what I am saying. It is a snowball effect.
After all guys, really, I have been thinking maybe I should hire a maid?
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I've reached Day 20 in my quit. I've dipped for 20 years. 20 days clean after 20 years of dipping. People might say it can't be done. Oh yes it can. One day at a time you make a decision and a pledge not to use nicotine. Very simple concept. Every 24 hours you renew your commitment for the next 24 hours. There's no mystery here.
Your addict mind will, however, play tricks on you... Yup. All the time. It will over-analyze things. It will try to rationalize. It will try to scare you into caving. You must stay the course when this happens and reach out to your brothers in arms. This is a war. You have to look at it like a war. After all, dip is trying to kill you. You have to kill it before it kills you.
So, you must re-wire your brain. And that means you must brain-wash yourself and become a hardened fanatic - for this one area of your life (usually being a fanatic is not a good idea, but this would be an exception). You must be a fanatic against dipping. It must be destroyed. It is the enemy and has zero regard for you or your family. Therefore it must be destroyed. No mercy.
If you're thinking about quitting just enlist yourself in the war and go to the front lines where we quit one day at a time. That is where the fight is. That's where the bravery and courage is displayed, day after day. People on the fence are cowards. I was a coward for many years. I finally said enough was enough on June 28, 2018. I went to the front lines. It's been a real fight but it has been worth it. Quit today. Right now. Not tomorrow. Right now. We need men at the front for the fight.
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So after talking with my wife last night, I basically told her I don't think I could ever do the "alternative" dips. Now, let me explain..
To me, even putting a pinch of jerky chew in my lip will associate with dip. I'm not sure how others feel, but to me it's gotta be cold turkey and that is it because any little deviation or "look-alike" is just gonna keep my cravings rolling in and my mind thinking, "We're so close to doing the real thing, let's just get a can already!".
I've tried beaverchew, sunflower seeds (which I never recommend doing in excess because of massive weight gain I've seen in friends), and other mint leaf chews but nothing satisfies enough and I always ended up coming back to real Copenhagen.
So, am I the only one who can't tempt myself with the alternatives?
No. There are a lot of quitters on here that don't like the close association with real thing. If it doesn't work for you, find something else that does. Gum (non nicotine variety), hard candy, coffee grounds, toothpicks, straws, etc. Whatever it takes to keep the real thing out of your mouth. Also, try not to get too down on yourself this early. The deck is already stacked against you when you start out and if you start dogging yourself too, it's a recipe for disaster. The KTC method is tried and true. Whether you use alternatives or not, post roll, be a man of your word and help others do the same. Do what works for your Fitz so long as nicotine is not involved.
I dipped for 30 years, and like you, I slowed down (you don't partially quit) way too many times. When we started this place, we had a common bond and a single ambition - quit for ourselves, stay quit, and help others find the same freedom. Now through multiple health issues, having to get a full mouth of implants due to the damage I caused to myself, and a 1000 other reasons that could have been a shithead excuse for caving, I am still quit.
Marine, there is no easy way to do this. Over thinking it, preparing in advance to cave, and all the other things you are doing are just more days you are cutting from your life. Man the fuck up, dump all the shit, lock yourself in a closet or slam your nuts in a drawer, whatever.................. but do it now my friend.
We are all here to support and try to hold you accountable to your commitment. Let's get started.
slam your nuts in a drawer, LOL! Funny cause I wish there was someone that could have punched me straight in the mouth tonight as I was craving some Copenhagen.
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After quitting recently, I have been hyper sensitive to my gums and jaw
A few days ago, I noticed a weird indent or receding gum line on the right side of my mouth - basically under my teeth/jaw line. It looks like my gums are sinking in.
The thing is, that isn't even the side i help my dips on - I used the other side of my mouth, so I have no idea why this is happening, or if this is just normal.
Pic of my mouth (https://imgur.com/YeBFDFo)
I know I should talk to my dentist, and I have my appointment scheduled, but wanted to get opinions to hold me over until I go in to see her.
In the pic - on the left side of the pic, you can see the area under my teeth is sunken in compared to the right side of the pic - but again, that isn't the side where I held my chew - so I don't know why it would be impacted by the tobacco
Did you go to the dentist?
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Hey all, Im new here and not computer savvy, but anyhow, just wanted to say thanks for this site and those that share their experience of quitting.
Im 60 days cold turkey after over 35 years of copenhagen.
I thought quitting was going to be the death of me. This foggy mushy headache anxiety depression is serious shit
Im never going back, especially to avoid what I have been through the last 2 months.
It is very helpful just to read posts of others misery, ( sorry) to know Im not alone, and not totally insane.
Thank you all again,
we got this
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Hey all, Im new here and not computer savvy, but anyhow, just wanted to say thanks for this site and those that share their experience of quitting.
Im 60 days cold turkey after over 35 years of copenhagen.
I thought quitting was going to be the death of me. This foggy mushy headache anxiety depression is serious shit
Im never going back, especially to avoid what I have been through the last 2 months.
It is very helpful just to read posts of others misery, ( sorry) to know Im not alone, and not totally insane.
Thank you all again,
we got this
Hey Greggy...that's great - 60 days solo is really amazing. But why quit alone? Depending on your actual quit date, you should go on over to either AUGUST 2018 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30577754/532/#new) (if you quit 04/24 to 05/24) or SEPTEMBER 2018 (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30602339/303/#new) (if you quit 05/25 to 06/23) and POST ROLL. It is absolutely not too late. The special sauce of KTC is the brother/sisterhood and the accountability. Take advantage of both and go post roll NOW!
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Will see how well I can navigate the website to do that.
Im not concerned about caving , but would be more than happy to support others through this nasty battle
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Will see how well I can navigate the website to do that.
Im not concerned about caving , but would be more than happy to support others through this nasty battle
This link HERE (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1003072/1/#new) should help, Greggy. Again, since 60 days is borderline - you'll need to determine which group you are in by the quit date ranges I supplied above. Then you can just click on the right month in my prior post (since I made them both hyperlinks) and post!
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Did you know that on a death certificate there is a box that asks the coroner; "Did tobacco contribute to death?" With boxes for Yes, No, Probably or Unknown.
When I review pension files for work and I see a death certificate in the file, the first thing I look at is the cause of death and second I look at the tobacco box. I wonder if that person chewed...
Will that box be checked on yours?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI1Xutc_Ws (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI1Xutc_Ws)
Therapist wanted me to watch this after I described to him how I tear up or get emotional.
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Hi guys. Thanks for the site! Can be tough finding people going through the same thing. Comforting that others are going through the same stuff I am as well.
A little about me: I starting dipping here and there in high school only on the weekends. Whatever we could get our hands on to be "cool". My regular dipping habit started as a freshman in college. Since then (12 years ago), I have been a regular dipper ranging from 1/2 tin per day to 1 tin per day. Almost exclusively Grizzly Wintergreen Pouches. I never thought much about it because "its only pouches" and "I can quite when I want". I never even considered quitting until about 3 years ago when I first started to notice basic side effects: teeth starting to yellow, sore gums, occasional bleeding from the dip and over brushing to compensate, etc. Then I met the girl of my dreams, got engaged, and quitting become a serious priority.
Little did I know, quitting is freaking hard! I first "quit" last year around Sept. 1. Made it about 100 days. Went through the "fog" and got through it. Things were going fine until the holidays rolled around. Friend offered me a pouch while drinking, accepted, then bam right back it.
Now I am 38 days into my current quit. The initial phase, "fog", etc. was much easier. I went through it not that long ago, so I knew what was coming. This time, though, my anxiety is through the roof, especially about the dreaded c-word. I seem to look at every little spec of anything in my mouth countless times throughout the day. Just can't get my mind off of it. Then you search on the internet and you see the worst pictures imaginable. Anybody else go through this?
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Hi guys. Thanks for the site! Can be tough finding people going through the same thing. Comforting that others are going through the same stuff I am as well.
A little about me: I starting dipping here and there in high school only on the weekends. Whatever we could get our hands on to be "cool". My regular dipping habit started as a freshman in college. Since then (12 years ago), I have been a regular dipper ranging from 1/2 tin per day to 1 tin per day. Almost exclusively Grizzly Wintergreen Pouches. I never thought much about it because "its only pouches" and "I can quite when I want". I never even considered quitting until about 3 years ago when I first started to notice basic side effects: teeth starting to yellow, sore gums, occasional bleeding from the dip and over brushing to compensate, etc. Then I met the girl of my dreams, got engaged, and quitting become a serious priority.
Little did I know, quitting is freaking hard! I first "quit" last year around Sept. 1. Made it about 100 days. Went through the "fog" and got through it. Things were going fine until the holidays rolled around. Friend offered me a pouch while drinking, accepted, then bam right back it.
Now I am 38 days into my current quit. The initial phase, "fog", etc. was much easier. I went through it not that long ago, so I knew what was coming. This time, though, my anxiety is through the roof, especially about the dreaded c-word. I seem to look at every little spec of anything in my mouth countless times throughout the day. Just can't get my mind off of it. Then you search on the internet and you see the worst pictures imaginable. Anybody else go through this?
Im going through it right now bother and have been for the past 3 or more weeks(day 46 for me). Its on my mind every day, all day. Any new bump i feel i think about it, and small pain i feel, i think about it. Some days are better than others but it does get better.
Found my breaking point to, Broke down and started to cry 2 weeks ago in front of my mother I was so scared and petrified of going out the way my granfather did (mouth cancer) scary stuff to watch but getting through it all.
Keep your quit going.
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Hi guys. Thanks for the site! Can be tough finding people going through the same thing. Comforting that others are going through the same stuff I am as well.
A little about me: I starting dipping here and there in high school only on the weekends. Whatever we could get our hands on to be "cool". My regular dipping habit started as a freshman in college. Since then (12 years ago), I have been a regular dipper ranging from 1/2 tin per day to 1 tin per day. Almost exclusively Grizzly Wintergreen Pouches. I never thought much about it because "its only pouches" and "I can quite when I want". I never even considered quitting until about 3 years ago when I first started to notice basic side effects: teeth starting to yellow, sore gums, occasional bleeding from the dip and over brushing to compensate, etc. Then I met the girl of my dreams, got engaged, and quitting become a serious priority.
Little did I know, quitting is freaking hard! I first "quit" last year around Sept. 1. Made it about 100 days. Went through the "fog" and got through it. Things were going fine until the holidays rolled around. Friend offered me a pouch while drinking, accepted, then bam right back it.
Now I am 38 days into my current quit. The initial phase, "fog", etc. was much easier. I went through it not that long ago, so I knew what was coming. This time, though, my anxiety is through the roof, especially about the dreaded c-word. I seem to look at every little spec of anything in my mouth countless times throughout the day. Just can't get my mind off of it. Then you search on the internet and you see the worst pictures imaginable. Anybody else go through this?
Im going through it right now bother and have been for the past 3 or more weeks(day 46 for me). Its on my mind every day, all day. Any new bump i feel i think about it, and small pain i feel, i think about it. Some days are better than others but it does get better.
Found my breaking point to, Broke down and started to cry 2 weeks ago in front of my mother I was so scared and petrified of going out the way my granfather did (mouth cancer) scary stuff to watch but getting through it all.
Keep your quit going.
Jack, I think every one of us has worried at one time or another about a speck, spot or sore in our mouths. That is just another price we have to pay for our addiction.
The best piece of advice that I can give you is to go see a dentist. You are going to have to see one eventually. Why not go see one now? Chances are that everything will be fine. I have now been tobacco free for over 200 days and I have had both a dentist and a dermatologist check out my mouth since I quit. And I feel much better knowing they both gave me a thumbs up.
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Hi guys. Thanks for the site! Can be tough finding people going through the same thing. Comforting that others are going through the same stuff I am as well.
A little about me: I starting dipping here and there in high school only on the weekends. Whatever we could get our hands on to be "cool". My regular dipping habit started as a freshman in college. Since then (12 years ago), I have been a regular dipper ranging from 1/2 tin per day to 1 tin per day. Almost exclusively Grizzly Wintergreen Pouches. I never thought much about it because "its only pouches" and "I can quite when I want". I never even considered quitting until about 3 years ago when I first started to notice basic side effects: teeth starting to yellow, sore gums, occasional bleeding from the dip and over brushing to compensate, etc. Then I met the girl of my dreams, got engaged, and quitting become a serious priority.
Little did I know, quitting is freaking hard! I first "quit" last year around Sept. 1. Made it about 100 days. Went through the "fog" and got through it. Things were going fine until the holidays rolled around. Friend offered me a pouch while drinking, accepted, then bam right back it.
Now I am 38 days into my current quit. The initial phase, "fog", etc. was much easier. I went through it not that long ago, so I knew what was coming. This time, though, my anxiety is through the roof, especially about the dreaded c-word. I seem to look at every little spec of anything in my mouth countless times throughout the day. Just can't get my mind off of it. Then you search on the internet and you see the worst pictures imaginable. Anybody else go through this?
Im going through it right now bother and have been for the past 3 or more weeks(day 46 for me). Its on my mind every day, all day. Any new bump i feel i think about it, and small pain i feel, i think about it. Some days are better than others but it does get better.
Found my breaking point to, Broke down and started to cry 2 weeks ago in front of my mother I was so scared and petrified of going out the way my granfather did (mouth cancer) scary stuff to watch but getting through it all.
Keep your quit going.
Jack, I think every one of us has worried at one time or another about a speck, spot or sore in our mouths. That is just another price we have to pay for our addiction.
The best piece of advice that I can give you is to go see a dentist. You are going to have to see one eventually. Why not go see one now? Chances are that everything will be fine. I have now been tobacco free for over 200 days and I have had both a dentist and a dermatologist check out my mouth since I quit. And I feel much better knowing they both gave me a thumbs up.
^^^ go see the dentist, it helps with your quit. I make them write it in my chart every time I go to my dentist, 1458 update that SOB!
Anxiety after quitting is rough, PM if you need help, I struggled with it hard as many did on the site. There are tons of resources and help on KTC, read up and arm yourself.
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Vaping is bad... and who owns these companies?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45170756 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45170756)
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#Bubba4Mod2018
Making KTC Great Again!
Not that its not great! Just my slogan for election year!
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#Bubba4Mod2018
KTCÂ’s best Choice! (2nd Campaign slogan!) :Winner:
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Whats going on fellas
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Whats going on fellas
how is the quit
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Had a dream last night that I chewed cope. Haven't touched cope for 15 years. Was on pouches the day I quit (am on day 22). So realistic -- even felt the chewed up insides of my mouth. Bad feeling waking up thinking I have to start over. What a relief to realize it was a dream.
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Hi guys. Thanks for the site! Can be tough finding people going through the same thing. Comforting that others are going through the same stuff I am as well.
A little about me: I starting dipping here and there in high school only on the weekends. Whatever we could get our hands on to be "cool". My regular dipping habit started as a freshman in college. Since then (12 years ago), I have been a regular dipper ranging from 1/2 tin per day to 1 tin per day. Almost exclusively Grizzly Wintergreen Pouches. I never thought much about it because "its only pouches" and "I can quite when I want". I never even considered quitting until about 3 years ago when I first started to notice basic side effects: teeth starting to yellow, sore gums, occasional bleeding from the dip and over brushing to compensate, etc. Then I met the girl of my dreams, got engaged, and quitting become a serious priority.
Little did I know, quitting is freaking hard! I first "quit" last year around Sept. 1. Made it about 100 days. Went through the "fog" and got through it. Things were going fine until the holidays rolled around. Friend offered me a pouch while drinking, accepted, then bam right back it.
Now I am 38 days into my current quit. The initial phase, "fog", etc. was much easier. I went through it not that long ago, so I knew what was coming. This time, though, my anxiety is through the roof, especially about the dreaded c-word. I seem to look at every little spec of anything in my mouth countless times throughout the day. Just can't get my mind off of it. Then you search on the internet and you see the worst pictures imaginable. Anybody else go through this?
Im going through it right now bother and have been for the past 3 or more weeks(day 46 for me). Its on my mind every day, all day. Any new bump i feel i think about it, and small pain i feel, i think about it. Some days are better than others but it does get better.
Found my breaking point to, Broke down and started to cry 2 weeks ago in front of my mother I was so scared and petrified of going out the way my granfather did (mouth cancer) scary stuff to watch but getting through it all.
Keep your quit going.
Jack, I think every one of us has worried at one time or another about a speck, spot or sore in our mouths. That is just another price we have to pay for our addiction.
The best piece of advice that I can give you is to go see a dentist. You are going to have to see one eventually. Why not go see one now? Chances are that everything will be fine. I have now been tobacco free for over 200 days and I have had both a dentist and a dermatologist check out my mouth since I quit. And I feel much better knowing they both gave me a thumbs up.
^^^ go see the dentist, it helps with your quit. I make them write it in my chart every time I go to my dentist, 1458 update that SOB!
Anxiety after quitting is rough, PM if you need help, I struggled with it hard as many did on the site. There are tons of resources and help on KTC, read up and arm yourself.
I've had the worst anxiety about disease ever. A couple of weeks ago I got pneumonia - at the time I was terrified. I thought that the chest x-rays and chest CT scans would find something - that there's gotta be something wrong with me. Bumps/pimples on my face that don't go away quickly... Sore throat near my Adam's apple... Those things spiked my blood pressure through the roof.
My most recent dental appointment: no problems - no discoloration.
Follow-up appointment with my doc: no problems - just need a slight increase in BP medicine.
The pimple things? Going away. The "sore throat"? Doctor wasn't alarmed at all - and it's gone.
I guess my body is healing itself. Slowly. Little by little. My task is to pray to the LORD for health and eat healthy and exercise and treat my body with respect after years of treating it like shit.
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Day 15 of no nic. I made the mistake of using those losengers and basically prolonged my quit 3 months. Yes you can get addicted to to those bastards and my doctor basically told me I might as well chew. So I toss those out too. 15 days, shit it feels good.
However I still get withdraw symptoms. The fog is super annoying and anxiety blows but I picked up running and starting to drop some weight!
I canÂ’t wait for the withdraw symptoms to go away but IÂ’m more excited for the first time in my adult life to not rely on a can. IÂ’m excited to not have plan my danm day around if I got enough dip for the night. IÂ’m existed to not spill dip cans and spitters. IÂ’m fucking excited for no more bleeding gums!
My tip to help curb cravings or anxiety, cold shower! Works like a charm.
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Day 15 of no nic. I made the mistake of using those losengers and basically prolonged my quit 3 months. Yes you can get addicted to to those bastards and my doctor basically told me I might as well chew. So I toss those out too. 15 days, shit it feels good.
However I still get withdraw symptoms. The fog is super annoying and anxiety blows but I picked up running and starting to drop some weight!
I canÂ’t wait for the withdraw symptoms to go away but IÂ’m more excited for the first time in my adult life to not rely on a can. IÂ’m excited to not have plan my danm day around if I got enough dip for the night. IÂ’m existed to not spill dip cans and spitters. IÂ’m fucking excited for no more bleeding gums!
My tip to help curb cravings or anxiety, cold shower! Works like a charm.
Hey Seadotsea,
You're doing great in your quit. Just wanted you to know that what you are experiencing is probably not withdrawal symptoms as the nicotine had left your body after about 3-4 days. Now, you are just experiencing cravings. This is because the receptors in your mind are all hyper-sensitive because you are depriving them of the nicotine they want so bad. KEEP DEPRIVING THEM.
Keep up the exercise, it helps a lot and drink some juice when those cravings hit, the sugar in the juice will help quell them. Keep your phone numbers handy, just in case it becomes more than you can handle on your own (mine is in your inbox).
PTQWYT
chris2alaska 223 days quit
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Day 15 of no nic. I made the mistake of using those losengers and basically prolonged my quit 3 months. Yes you can get addicted to to those bastards and my doctor basically told me I might as well chew. So I toss those out too. 15 days, shit it feels good.
However I still get withdraw symptoms. The fog is super annoying and anxiety blows but I picked up running and starting to drop some weight!
I canÂ’t wait for the withdraw symptoms to go away but IÂ’m more excited for the first time in my adult life to not rely on a can. IÂ’m excited to not have plan my danm day around if I got enough dip for the night. IÂ’m existed to not spill dip cans and spitters. IÂ’m fucking excited for no more bleeding gums!
My tip to help curb cravings or anxiety, cold shower! Works like a charm.
Hey Seadotsea,
You're doing great in your quit. Just wanted you to know that what you are experiencing is probably not withdrawal symptoms as the nicotine had left your body after about 3-4 days. Now, you are just experiencing cravings. This is because the receptors in your mind are all hyper-sensitive because you are depriving them of the nicotine they want so bad. KEEP DEPRIVING THEM.
Keep up the exercise, it helps a lot and drink some juice when those cravings hit, the sugar in the juice will help quell them. Keep your phone numbers handy, just in case it becomes more than you can handle on your own (mine is in your inbox).
PTQWYT
chris2alaska 223 days quit
Seadotsea - congrats on Day 15. I am on day 50 and it get's better, not easier but better. I still feel off some days, but nothing like the first 1 - 2 weeks. I am a recovering addict and will quit with you everyday!
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Day 15 of no nic. I made the mistake of using those losengers and basically prolonged my quit 3 months. Yes you can get addicted to to those bastards and my doctor basically told me I might as well chew. So I toss those out too. 15 days, shit it feels good.
However I still get withdraw symptoms. The fog is super annoying and anxiety blows but I picked up running and starting to drop some weight!
I canÂ’t wait for the withdraw symptoms to go away but IÂ’m more excited for the first time in my adult life to not rely on a can. IÂ’m excited to not have plan my danm day around if I got enough dip for the night. IÂ’m existed to not spill dip cans and spitters. IÂ’m fucking excited for no more bleeding gums!
My tip to help curb cravings or anxiety, cold shower! Works like a charm.
Hey Seadotsea,
You're doing great in your quit. Just wanted you to know that what you are experiencing is probably not withdrawal symptoms as the nicotine had left your body after about 3-4 days. Now, you are just experiencing cravings. This is because the receptors in your mind are all hyper-sensitive because you are depriving them of the nicotine they want so bad. KEEP DEPRIVING THEM.
Keep up the exercise, it helps a lot and drink some juice when those cravings hit, the sugar in the juice will help quell them. Keep your phone numbers handy, just in case it becomes more than you can handle on your own (mine is in your inbox).
PTQWYT
chris2alaska 223 days quit
Seadotsea - congrats on Day 15. I am on day 50 and it get's better, not easier but better. I still feel off some days, but nothing like the first 1 - 2 weeks. I am a recovering addict and will quit with you everyday!
Thanks!
Still going strong. Day 17 I think ?. The fog is real but reading others posting about it makes me feel better. I think my biggest issue is nausea and my stomach. I seem to get the fog and nausea at the same time which drives me nuts. Besides the fog and random mood swings I feel good. I had awful anxiety the first week but thatÂ’s gone already.
ItÂ’s crazy to see people going through the same crap! It really makes the quit easier. I had panic attacks and could swore I was going to die! Those passed. Then the fog kicked in and god that is annoying. I just remind my self that for my entire Adult life I relied on chew. ItÂ’s been 17 years of only having chew to regulate my happiness. Now itÂ’s time to discover who I really am. IÂ’m not much into herbal chew but I might try it again to see if it handles my oral fixation. IÂ’m kinda burned out on dill pickle sunflower seeds lol.
Anyway thank you for the kind words! It helps.
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Give this is read... read till the end.
https://www.killthecan.org/oral-surgeon-visit-today/ (https://www.killthecan.org/oral-surgeon-visit-today/)
NAFAR.
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Day 26 of my quit! The last week was pretty good, couple times I had strong cravings but for the most part IÂ’m starting to think about chew less and less.
This morning was brutal though. Had random anxiety, fog and heartburn all at once. The only thing I can think is my mind is playing tricks on me.
Nights are the worse for me, I associate so much with chewing at night. The other night I was outta seeds so I grabbed coffee grounds and shoved them in my mouth!
I wonÂ’t cave though. I just donÂ’t want to chew ever again. However I could do without the side effects or whatever this is!
I think this is one of those bad quit days! I kinda felt due for one anyway!
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PLEASE NOTE:
There are some changes coming to the forums shortly... see below for details
https://www.killthecan.org/forum-changes-coming-soon/ (https://www.killthecan.org/forum-changes-coming-soon/)
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oops wrong place have to figure out what the heck I'm doing
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ok, i'm just gonna say it. this new forum is a cluster fuck. 90% of you won't give a damn.Â
I post in ~40 groups every day. I often read through the posts of the prior day. if I can't be returned to where I left off, the well I guess fuck anybody posting something useful because i'm going to the last page.Â
quoting is a fucking pain in the ass. if I ain't doin it right then tell me what i'm doing wrong.
and oh by the way I can't tell if someone is already posting so fucking bumpapalooza!
message: can't use certain bb tags. {img} well that's fucking great because I can't even see the damn tags in the first place
and lets not even get into the fuckin issue of the server going down.
my fucking plan was to be here until at least when I hit the 60th floor at age 60. in 60 days I hit 10 years. that may be it.
and don't even get me started on the fucking ads.
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ok, i'm just gonna say it. this new forum is a cluster fuck. 90% of you won't give a damn.Â
I post in ~40 groups every day. I often read through the posts of the prior day. if I can't be returned to where I left off, the well I guess fuck anybody posting something useful because i'm going to the last page.Â
quoting is a fucking pain in the ass. if I ain't doin it right then tell me what i'm doing wrong.
and oh by the way I can't tell if someone is already posting so fucking bumpapalooza!
message: can't use certain bb tags. {img} well that's fucking great because I can't even see the damn tags in the first place
and lets not even get into the fuckin issue of the server going down.
my fucking plan was to be here until at least when I hit the 60th floor at age 60. in 60 days I hit 10 years. that may be it.
and don't even get me started on the fucking ads.
This was not our choice nor our planning. Zeta was bought out by Tapatalk and this was forced on us. You are welcome to a full refund.
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are the ads here to stay?
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are the ads here to stay?
Not if we can help it...
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously. Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously.  Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
Having a hell of a time with the server dropping out. Not sure if I'm bumping anyone. Definitely takes way too long to post around in a bunch of groups. I know I should give it some time to get used to the new sight but I'm really not liking it. I don't know about you guys but I might not stick around.
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously.  Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
Having a hell of a time with the server dropping out. Not sure if I'm bumping anyone. Definitely takes way too long to post around in a bunch of groups. I know I should give it some time to get used to the new sight but I'm really not liking it. I don't know about you guys but I might not stick around.
I’ll be limiting my posts to my home group for now I think ... but we’ll see how things progress. DEFINITELY not digging the ads popping up. Quitting ain’t for sale. I feel bad for the newbies, it’s enough of a struggle without your lifeline changing. I honestly knew nothing about this coming down the pipe, until the site was down this AM. Saw a post on Facecrack summing up the “migrationâ€, kinda. Fuck the app ... tapatalk has ALWAYS sucked.
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The ads are being worked on.
I think the app works great but I’ve been using it for awhile.
Sent from my iPhone with a touch of anarchy
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously.  Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
Having a hell of a time with the server dropping out. Not sure if I'm bumping anyone. Definitely takes way too long to post around in a bunch of groups. I know I should give it some time to get used to the new sight but I'm really not liking it. I don't know about you guys but I might not stick around.
I’ll be limiting my posts to my home group for now I think ... but we’ll see how things progress.  DEFINITELY not digging the ads popping up.  Quitting ain’t for sale.  I feel bad for the newbies, it’s enough of a struggle without your lifeline changing.  I honestly knew nothing about this coming down the pipe, until the site was down this AM.  Saw a post on Facecrack summing up the “migrationâ€, kinda.  Fuck the app ... tapatalk has ALWAYS sucked.
On the site through PC browser and it's cumbersome for me. Agreed, feel bad for all the noobs and pre hof. I suppose I'll stick to the home group as well and see if I can get used to it.
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously.  Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
Having a hell of a time with the server dropping out. Not sure if I'm bumping anyone. Definitely takes way too long to post around in a bunch of groups. I know I should give it some time to get used to the new sight but I'm really not liking it. I don't know about you guys but I might not stick around.
I’ll be limiting my posts to my home group for now I think ... but we’ll see how things progress.  DEFINITELY not digging the ads popping up.  Quitting ain’t for sale.  I feel bad for the newbies, it’s enough of a struggle without your lifeline changing.  I honestly knew nothing about this coming down the pipe, until the site was down this AM.  Saw a post on Facecrack summing up the “migrationâ€, kinda.  Fuck the app ... tapatalk has ALWAYS sucked.
On the site through PC browser and it's cumbersome for me. Agreed, feel bad for all the noobs and pre hof. I suppose I'll stick to the home group as well and see if I can get used to it.
I think this will be resolved. When a 10 year quitter tells me they’re working on the ads, I trust him. Let’s just give it some time. Don’t start planning your cave due to the site changing.
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if your tellin me its eezyer to post from a phone then a pc then they just threw the baby out just to have clean bath water.
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https://www.killthecan.org/forum-migrat ... -hear-you/ (https://www.killthecan.org/forum-migration-update-we-hear-you/)
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Blowing off steam. Â Just about the time I am figuring out how to communicate on the KTC site,.....they change it. Â If there is a support group to help those few who are not technically gifted or a thread, I wish I could find it. Â My opinion, one problem is that most (99%) of folks on the site have been involved in forums before, know how to use and navigate them and assume that we all know how. Â While the retarded few (1%) have no clue. Â Frustrating. Â
Can't post the all important "Role Call" if you don't know how. Â The helpful few can not bring them selves to a level low enough to be able to help.
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At least I'm not the only one. Â Misery loves company.
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Just take a class on HTML and get a mouse for your phone. What's so hard about that? /sarcasm
I've been in IT for 20 years and have a lot of experience with inexperience, if you will. I've always felt the roll call posting process here was a lot to ask of casual users.
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It’s ok to be frustrated... it’s ok be upset....
It’s also ok to give it a couple days, I promise there are a bunch of people working on these issues.
No matter how much of a pain in the ass posting roll is, it’s still easier than posting Day 1
If you’re looking for a reason to leave, it’s pretty easy to find one... it’s always been easy to find a reason to leave.
If you need help, reach out... My phone number is always available. I’ll do my best to help.
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Rest assured, the majority of frustration lies with mods and admins who are working virtually around the clock to correct issues and get familiar with the new platform. We didn't choose to switch, it was a forced change. I still haven't ventured to the app yet. Desktop is where I'll be for a bit. My digits are available as well. The good news is that the new platform works like a Ponzi scheme. For every 3 people you recruit, you get 10K posts.added to you avatar....
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What the hell has happened to our Quit Site ???
Someone didn’t see the horseshit coming, obviously.  Or they didn’t care, chalking it up to, “its out of our handsâ€.
Having a hell of a time with the server dropping out. Not sure if I'm bumping anyone. Definitely takes way too long to post around in a bunch of groups. I know I should give it some time to get used to the new sight but I'm really not liking it. I don't know about you guys but I might not stick around.
I’ll be limiting my posts to my home group for now I think ... but we’ll see how things progress.  DEFINITELY not digging the ads popping up.  Quitting ain’t for sale.  I feel bad for the newbies, it’s enough of a struggle without your lifeline changing.  I honestly knew nothing about this coming down the pipe, until the site was down this AM.  Saw a post on Facecrack summing up the “migrationâ€, kinda.  Fuck the app ... tapatalk has ALWAYS sucked.
On the site through PC browser and it's cumbersome for me. Agreed, feel bad for all the noobs and pre hof. I suppose I'll stick to the home group as well and see if I can get used to it.
I think this will be resolved. When a 10 year quitter tells me they’re working on the ads, I trust him. Let’s just give it some time. Don’t start planning your cave due to the site changing.
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Nice, if I'm not here I'm a caver. That's it! 3... 2... 1... CAVING!