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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Sajax on September 23, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
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Greetings Community!
My name is John and I have been a struggling nicotine addict for ten years or so. From lifeguarding to military, I have always had an occupation that involved a lot of sitting around. Dip was my answer. It relieved stress, let me think. It gave me space to consider what I was being told and come up with the right answer. I used it as a digestive aid and a concentration enhancement device. It was with me through all the books I've read and movies I've watched. Every road-trip I've taken this past decade has had dip as my navigator and co-pilot. Dip kept me awake in class and helped me relax before bed. All these things and more.
Today I quit. I'm breaking this relationship. It is poison and lies. A one-way street that is killing me. I wouldn't suffer a fool as long as I've suffered dip. I am committing, in a public way, my decision to stop.
I look forward to the help. I'm going to need it. I feel the fog and the anxiety already. I want to get up and run. With shaking legs and sweaty arms I begin.
-John
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Greetings Community!
My name is John and I have been a struggling nicotine addict for ten years or so. From lifeguarding to military, I have always had an occupation that involved a lot of sitting around. Dip was my answer. It relieved stress, let me think. It gave me space to consider what I was being told and come up with the right answer. I used it as a digestive aid and a concentration enhancement device. It was with me through all the books I've read and movies I've watched. Every road-trip I've taken this past decade has had dip as my navigator and co-pilot. Dip kept me awake in class and helped me relax before bed. All these things and more.
Today I quit. I'm breaking this relationship. It is poison and lies. A one-way street that is killing me. I wouldn't suffer a fool as long as I've suffered dip. I am committing, in a public way, my decision to stop.
I look forward to the help. I'm going to need it. I feel the fog and the anxiety already. I want to get up and run. With shaking legs and sweaty arms I begin.
-John
Read the information on this site. Read the intros. Read the rants and crazy shit in the rolls.
Post roll every damn day. Get to know your quit brothers and veterans. Get phone numbers and give yours. Use this site as intended...accountability and brotherhood.
Welcome aboard.
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sajax,
Congratulations on your decision and you have found the right place.
Post roll, read everything on this site and build your network!
PM me for digits or support,
ODAAT
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Greetings Community!
My name is John and I have been a struggling nicotine addict for ten years or so. From lifeguarding to military, I have always had an occupation that involved a lot of sitting around. Dip was my answer. It relieved stress, let me think. It gave me space to consider what I was being told and come up with the right answer. I used it as a digestive aid and a concentration enhancement device. It was with me through all the books I've read and movies I've watched. Every road-trip I've taken this past decade has had dip as my navigator and co-pilot. Dip kept me awake in class and helped me relax before bed. All these things and more.
Today I quit. I'm breaking this relationship. It is poison and lies. A one-way street that is killing me. I wouldn't suffer a fool as long as I've suffered dip. I am committing, in a public way, my decision to stop.
I look forward to the help. I'm going to need it. I feel the fog and the anxiety already. I want to get up and run. With shaking legs and sweaty arms I begin.
-John
Read the information on this site. Read the intros. Read the rants and crazy shit in the rolls.
Post roll every damn day. Get to know your quit brothers and veterans. Get phone numbers and give yours. Use this site as intended...accountability and brotherhood.
Welcome aboard.
First of all, thanks for not bumping me in Dec today. Further though, all of the things you thought you were using dip for was bullshit. All of those things can be accomplished without dip. You only relieved your stress when you put another dip in... You thought without it in your mouth(about the next time you would be slamming another one in)... Digestive aid my ass..... I take shits everyday without this shit!!!.... and concentration enhancement.... hmmm. Anyway I am glad you are here and that you see the lie now and that you realize that every single dip in your mouth was nothing but you feeding an addiction to nicotine. Quit on man! You deserve it!!! I'll look for you tomorrow!
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Day 1: Posted roll an intro. I'd say you're off to a solid start here at KTC.
Now that you've got some forward momentum, use it to help push you through the first few hours, days, and weeks. Post roll FIRST THING every day. Read as much as you can. Start swapping digits with your December quit brothers and vets alike (I'd be more than happy to give you mine). Embrace the suck, because you only want to do this once.
KTC will be here to help you with the rest.
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Water, lots of it. Helps flush the system. The first few days I had to stay small, hour by hour. If you hit bad craves, drop and do 20 pushups. Get you some gum, seeds, candy, jerky, toothpicks. Find what works for you. Exercise helps calm the angst.
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Welcome aboard! Follow the plan/path. It works.
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Welcome Sajax. You described dip as a kind of co-pilot, always there. Many of us come here with "fond" memories of dipping while doing this or that. Never forget that dip was indeed an always present co-pilot, a terrorist one. One trained to kill you. It's crazy how our addict minds will find room for known terrorists. Quit like F and kick that sucka out of the cockpit. I quit with you today!
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You mention a lot of things that dip helped with but the truth is that the only thing dip did was hold your withdrawal at bay. Once you quit withdrawals and work on living life without your addiction you will begin to see the truth about your afair with nicotine
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Welcome to the party! Last of the Dec group.. Get to know your peeps. You will want/need their support.
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Hey John,
Welcome to the insanity that is 20,000+ quitter locked in the same room. Explore you will find a lot of inspiration amongst the new and strolling the archives and tomes of quit.
One thing you said stood out " this past decade has had dip as my navigator and co-pilot. " I could not agree more. Nic controlled my life, even more so becuase I was a ninja dipper. I figured out how to hide the habit up until I quit.
It was the damn cruise director meets flight of the navigator.
I am glad your here you have some great quitters in your group reach out to them, and pm me or anyone that you want to ask questions or strengthen your quit.
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John
It is 1:20. I have sent you my digits. Text me if you want - but it is getting late. Hang tough brother. You have made the commitment to quit. Now you have to show some toughness to get through the first couple of days the Nic bitch digging her claws into you.
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all gone =(
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Howdy Forum,
Few things I wanted to post about while I'm thinking about it. The summary in my intro post is the little ways I lied to myself about dip. How I treated it, not the truth of it. I understand the lies and see how I was lying to myself and hiding behind addiction. You guys are right on the money about that.
Also day one was a roller coaster....this morning went well, met some very kind folks who helped me out through my initial craves. Tonight all hell broke loose in my head and body. I reached out to the forum and MUPig kept me grounded. I appreciate that. I didn't cave! Day 2, inbound...
-John
John-
Embrace the withdrawal- it's your body breaking free from the long abuse of nicotine. Write about what you are going through here in your intro. Write about the fog, the shakes, the headaches, the stomach issues- it's all coming. Power through it- you didn't get this way by putting one pinch of poison in your lip. You didn't get into this situation because you only death dipped once or twice- you made the decision to put that shit in your mouth every day.
Now it's time to QUIT every damn day. Wake up and post roll. Make that decision every damn day that you aren't going to poison yourself. Your addiction wasn't built overnight and your quit won't be either. Work on your quit everyday.
No matter what you go through in the next few days- it's nothing compared to having your tongue or jaw cut out.
Quit with you.
PM me if you need some digits and quit like fuck every day.
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Fellow Quitters
John (aka Sajax) is having a very hard time plowing through the first couple of weeks. Any support you can give will be appreciated. I have pulled him from the ledge a couple of times this week. The nic bitch has some super grip on him right now and he could use all the help and support he can get.
MUPig
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Fellow Quitters
John (aka Sajax) is having a very hard time plowing through the first couple of weeks. Any support you can give will be appreciated. I have pulled him from the ledge a couple of times this week. The nic bitch has some super grip on him right now and he could use all the help and support he can get.
MUPig
John, you have a 1st class quitter in MUPig helping you. Bear down, and I promise it will get better. Caving now is not an option - the worst is over.
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Fellow Quitters
John (aka Sajax) is having a very hard time plowing through the first couple of weeks. Any support you can give will be appreciated. I have pulled him from the ledge a couple of times this week. The nic bitch has some super grip on him right now and he could use all the help and support he can get.
MUPig
John, you have a 1st class quitter in MUPig helping you. Bear down, and I promise it will get better. Caving now is not an option - the worst is over.
Sent you a PM with my digits. You CAN and WILL do this. The unrelenting continuity of suck will be ending very soon, and the business of quitting becomes much more manageable. Leverage the deep roster of badasses available to you for support and keep that quit. One day at a time.
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Friends!
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Your body is healing from years of drug abuse. Day 10 is bad ass!
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John,
A little late welcoming you here....I can hardly believe they're already working on a JANUARY class....wow.
I know your struggles all too well. With the exception of a 14 month stoppage back in the early-mid 90's, Copenhagen ruled my life for nearly four decades. Even AFTER the physical withdrawals are over, your brain is having to rewire itself to shut down all the nicotine receptors it built up over all those years of dipping. They are the little monsters inside your brain housing group that make you feel like you're losing it. If you don't remember anything else, remember this....NO ONE ever DIED from nicotine withdrawal. It may feel like it at times but that's just another lie nicotine uses to try and pull you back in.
Keep at it....as many have said here; it'll suck until it doesn't. My experience is that some days (some hours) suck more than others but over time the ratio of sucky to okay improves. Glad you're here and doing the hard work and heavy lifting that is being quit. One day at a time. Or, as I "stole" from a Terminix commercial...."Not Here, Not Now, Not in My Lip". NHNNNIML!
R,
JDW
Honor....Integrity....Accountability
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this one gives high fives!
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I feel like I am coming off of something a lot harder than nicotine.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs and one of hardest to recover from. Let your signature along with the help from this group continue to aid you.
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John/sajax,
One Day At A Time....Anything and everything to get past craves. They will lessen in volume and intensity but it will suck before it get better. You will get through. Get numbers, get posting and get into chat. Always vent to us, because we feel it too. Quit with ya brother
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
Rock on bro, you're killing it!
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
Rock on bro, you're killing it!
Very nice. Keep it up and the rewards will start rolling in. I guarantee it.
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
Rock on bro, you're killing it!
Very nice. Keep it up and the rewards will start rolling in. I guarantee it.
Keep up the great work!! 'oh yeah'
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Ajax,
You've come a long way in a short time, but you are just getting started. You are learning how to live and be without the whore. Keep doing what you are doing and you will succeed.
PM me if you need some more digits.
QLF EDD with you!
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
Rock on bro, you're killing it!
Very nice. Keep it up and the rewards will start rolling in. I guarantee it.
Keep up the great work!! 'oh yeah'
Love the way your quit and mindset are evolving, Pajax -- no need to get worked up on what happens next week, year, etc. Keep focusing on today, keep reading learning from others' experiences, and keep building your lines of defense. You got this. Quit on.
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I am learning a lot on here and through this quit. Hanging back and watching conversations develop has been most insightful. I've learned how subtle my own demons can be. I've learned that it is better to open you mouth when something doesn't seem right than try to work it out alone and through the fog. I have learned that 17 days can feel like a year. I've learned some folks don't use the blue smileys. I've learned it is proper to post roll on a board before you speak on it.
I look through my quit groups support list every day. Seeing the ones with my name next to it gives me a little kick of adrenaline and reminds me that everyday someone who I have never met in person has enough "give a shit" to post about me. That means more than any piss-poor sentence I put together could say. Thank you. Days are ticking by. 100% every day. I quit with you all again and again and again.
Rock on bro, you're killing it!
Very nice. Keep it up and the rewards will start rolling in. I guarantee it.
Keep up the great work!! 'oh yeah'
Love the way your quit and mindset are evolving, Pajax -- no need to get worked up on what happens next week, year, etc. Keep focusing on today, keep reading learning from others' experiences, and keep building your lines of defense. You got this. Quit on.
Sajax, it is great to see your young quit evolve. Embrace the suck. It means you are healing.
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Man this was a great story, too bad it's gone =(.
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this one was quoted, but the ass-hat...oops I mean super good quitter below me didn't get it.
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Tone: humor
Captain's Log - October - 2014
Argument spotted in May 2014 over the banning of a site cancer-causer. One member noted to be in opposition of the majority voice. Argument was analyzed and found to be incomplete. I attempted to Discuss with said member the argument in question.
Poorly chosen metaphor and discovery of initial argument analysis judged fatal. Reputation harmed. Many have reported headaches, vomiting, irritation and genital warts. The last not explicitly, but it can be deduced from the others.
Initiating emergency plan "Stop Treating Forum Uselessly."
My training in the quit academy always told me if i just STFU things will return to normal. Although the warts may be permanent, only time will tell.
Genital warts? LOL. Not my problem.
Post roll, keep your word. If you survive and wake again...Post roll because its today.
Please, take the drama and figure out your addiction.
This site is about quitting. Once you have quitting down...ask me about recovery. Until then. Your job is to quit. You can vent, rage, call out and bitch about this site being unfair. We all get it, but this is learning how to quit. There is more to being quit than quitting.
I want you to recover. You need to repair and protect your life of sobriety.
You are not ready yet. You need to get to the point where this is easy. I am still here at 954 days. Why? Because this site works if you do what is required. Once you do that, you will hunger and want more. When you are there...PM me.
Quitting is great! Recovery is greater. Don't get your panties in a wad. Just quit every day and be a sponge...
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
Where you going?
BTW.....I've seen this many times.....I know where it leads.
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
Where you going?
BTW.....I've seen this many times.....I know where it leads.
Where are you going? For real?
You are not alone. You are not unique. You are not special. Neither am I. You and I are one in the same, actually. We're addicts, and we need each other.
Stick around. What's the issue at hand right now? I gaurntee there is a solution.
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
Where you going?
BTW.....I've seen this many times.....I know where it leads.
Where are you going? For real?
You are not alone. You are not unique. You are not special. Neither am I. You and I are one in the same, actually. We're addicts, and we need each other.
Stick around. What's the issue at hand right now? I gaurntee there is a solution.
Ahhhh....the old 30 day funk-a-dunk.
I bet everyone on this website is pissing you off right now. They get you, you don't get them. "I'll just leave....screw those guys."
Man...if somebody could invite a keyboard that could relay tone, inflection and sarcasm. Damn....I'd be a billionare. I'm I getting close?
Let's talk.
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I hate to see this. you are not special, come back and lets figure this out, I gurantee one of us has felt exactly like you have.
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
From October 3....SAJAX "Without this site, this group, these members I would cave".
Brother,
Just sent you a text. Strongly urging you to reconsider the ramifications of your actions here. You may be thinking you've got this thing licked right now, but you need to trust me as one who stopped for MONTHs only to make the fatal "just one" mistake that cost me another two decades.
Your own words indicate that without being here, without the accountability, you're setting yourself up for a cave. I'm typing this begging you to stop and think long and hard about that, and come to the logical conclusion that you need to come back. You can't be out....being out will damn near GUARANTEE a cave....may not seem like it now, but the odds are definitely stacked against you as a lone wolf....stick with the herd. Yes, sometimes the herd can be a bit dickish....but overlook the stupidity and take what you need. There is strength in numbers, my friend.
R,
JDW
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
What the fuck does this mean, Sajax? I was just getting a slight quit chub from your other posts and then you throw this bucket of ice water on me. WTF?
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
What the fuck does this mean, Sajax? I was just getting a slight quit chub from your other posts and then you throw this bucket of ice water on me. WTF?
IÂ’ll second the WTF?
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
Where you going?
BTW.....I've seen this many times.....I know where it leads.
Where are you going? For real?
You are not alone. You are not unique. You are not special. Neither am I. You and I are one in the same, actually. We're addicts, and we need each other.
Stick around. What's the issue at hand right now? I gaurntee there is a solution.
Ahhhh....the old 30 day funk-a-dunk.
I bet everyone on this website is pissing you off right now. They get you, you don't get them. "I'll just leave....screw those guys."
Man...if somebody could invite a keyboard that could relay tone, inflection and sarcasm. Damn....I'd be a billionare. I'm I getting close?
Let's talk.
I was definitely that guy. Thanks Rick.
Pat Sajax, get your ass back here right now.
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dry fire
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Always be quittin'. -Vanna White
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dry fire
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dry fire
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Spoke with Sajax. His post was a poorly worded attempt to explain that he will be posting his promise not to use nicotine via text to me and/or others for time being, and I will make sure he is on the roll every day.
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Spoke with Sajax. His post was a poorly worded attempt to explain that he will be posting his promise not to use nicotine via text to me and/or others for time being, and I will make sure he is on the roll every day.
Kinda funny.
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I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
Seen it countless times at about the 30 day mark,
1. people are done with the site and think they can handle it on their own
2. They have their panties in a bunch over something that happened here
or
3. a planned cave which can disguise itself as #1 or #2... That nic bitch is sneaky like that.
Sajax- don't become a casualty- keep doing what has worked for the last 30 days. Take what you need and leave the rest.
back to basics-
1. Post roll
2. honor your promise
3. repeat.
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I get the whole 30 day funk and "take what you need".
But...posting roll via text is for vacation, internet connectivity issues or some other reason that a quitter can't do it themselves in the short term. I have seen no such reason given here.
Sajax - If you have the capability to post roll, you need need to do it yourself.
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I get the whole 30 day funk and "take what you need".
But...posting roll via text is for vacation, internet connectivity issues or some other reason that a quitter can't do it themselves in the short term. I have seen no such reason given here.
Sajax - If you have the capability to post roll, you need need to do it yourself.
Agreed. It costs you nothing more to post tomorrow than it did today or any day before that.
Take a little break if you want. Do the post 'n ghost to your heart's content, but you still need to post roll.
Burn your boats, not your bridges.
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I get the whole 30 day funk and "take what you need".
But...posting roll via text is for vacation, internet connectivity issues or some other reason that a quitter can't do it themselves in the short term. I have seen no such reason given here.
Sajax - If you have the capability to post roll, you need need to do it yourself.
Agreed. It costs you nothing more to post tomorrow than it did today or any day before that.
Take a little break if you want. Do the post 'n ghost to your heart's content, but you still need to post roll.
Burn your boats, not your bridges.
Pajax, come on back. You've shown so much potential in your month here, I don't want you to throw it away. Come hang out with people. I know it can be frustrating reading some of the things that get posted, but there is so much good material here too. Stay here, and I can promise you will win. Don't go down the path alone.
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push through whatever it is you are going through. Post and ghost til you're ready to re-engage. Quit on!
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Burn your boats, not your bridges.
That ^^^ is Quit Brilliance!
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Burn your boats, not your bridges.
That ^^^ is Quit Brilliance!
I like that shit right there^^^^^^^ sajax, We've all been there and thought that the site wasn't doing any good and we knew better than the rest here. just stick around long enough to see what we are talking about. the light WILL come though the tunnel, trust me.
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Sajax,
You bring a lot to December, so at least come back to KTC December (and stay out of the other groups.)
We got this!
CJ
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Just FYI- I am not here to make excuses for him, but I know his situation. He is not off the site because he is butthurt, or because someone was too mean, or anything to do with us. He does not think he is cured, and he doesn't think he is better than this place. He wants to be here, and I'll make sure he gets back in here soon.
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I'm out. No cave. Just out.
Where you going?
BTW.....I've seen this many times.....I know where it leads.
Where are you going? For real?
You are not alone. You are not unique. You are not special. Neither am I. You and I are one in the same, actually. We're addicts, and we need each other.
Stick around. What's the issue at hand right now? I gaurntee there is a solution.
Ahhhh....the old 30 day funk-a-dunk.
I bet everyone on this website is pissing you off right now. They get you, you don't get them. "I'll just leave....screw those guys."
Man...if somebody could invite a keyboard that could relay tone, inflection and sarcasm. Damn....I'd be a billionare. I'm I getting close?
Let's talk.
I was definitely that guy. Thanks Rick.
Pat Sajax, get your ass back here right now.
time to summon THE LIPI.
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Never mind.
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Sajax,
You bring a lot to December, so at least come back to KTC December (and stay out of the other groups.)
We got this!
CJ
Sajax..just found out. Come on man...you are a benefit to December. Please join us friend!
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Drama 101
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Drama 102
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Welcome back. You were missed, but now you're back...kind of like the prodigal son!! Quit on, Sajax....quit on!!
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Welcome back. You were missed, but now you're back...kind of like the prodigal son!! Quit on, Sajax....quit on!!
OK, now I understand a bit more. Please know that you’re ‘I’m out’ post worried a lot of us.
Glad youÂ’re back, take what you need and leave the rest.
Stay quit, amigo!
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I thought this post was great advice.
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And the post IMMEDIATELY above this one (didn't quote it as it stands on its own merit!!) is why I'm proud to be a supporter. Tell me exactly at what point the student becomes the teacher???
Quit on Sajaximus Maximus! You are nailing this. I remain solidly in your corner.
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Turn that frowny face upside down.......
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Turn that frowny face upside down.......
Or just gaze lovingly at the Super Kitten that's rocking your avatar. Makes me feel all full of cupcakes...
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Happy Birthday, Sajax!!! 'Have a beer' 'Have a beer' 'Kiss' 'Finger' 'Sing and Drink' 'boob' 'boob' 'lick me' 'band' 'party' 'party' 'party' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'party2'
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Happy Birthday, Sajax!!! 'Have a beer' 'Have a beer' 'Kiss' 'Finger' 'Sing and Drink' 'boob' 'boob' 'lick me' 'band' 'party' 'party' 'party' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'party2'
Happy Birthday, Pat! Here's some boobies! 'boob'
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Can people quit using nicotine without KTC? Yes. Every day someone walks away from cigarettes or tobacco. So why do I get so angry and (real talk: afraid) when someone who has been posting roll beside me for nearly 90 days decides to walk away? Do I feel like they are walking out on me? Not especially. A guy today in RANT who never did anything but post and ghost pulled this stunt today. I was talking to my wife about it. I told her I think he posted his excuse because he didn't want us to be mad at him. That some part of the KTC brotherhood had rubbed off on him enough to tell his conscience that was he was doing wasn't a good thing.
Will he stay quit? I don't think so. Here is why. The answer to my previous question I think deserves some introspection. Why do I get angry about someone being "cured" as we like to say around here? For me personally I think it might have something to do with what I call "veterans syndrome." I saw it from guys in the navy first. They had been in for 16 or 18 years, close to retirement and hating every minute of it. When someone with only 6 or 8 years comes along and starts getting close to getting out they circle like sharks.
"The job market is bad."
"You won't be able to live like you do now."
"You already have a lot of time in, just stick it out."
On and on. There were as many reasons as there are sailors. I learned they weren't talking to the guy in front of them. In a round about way they were trying to convince themselves that the decision they made (committing to the military for 20 years) was the right one. That getting out was dangerous and full of peril. While not a perfect analogy for why I act the way I do here, I think this idea suggests some of the thoughts I have when I see people walk away from KTC. Can I walk away from KTC? People stay quit with it right? Will there ever be a day where I don't need it to stay quit?
I can't speak for forever but a post from Lipi answers this nicely. I am an addict. As an addict I need accountability to stay sober. No form of accountability in my life has ever worked before reaching KTC. KTC is the only form of accountability that has kept me sober. Without KTC -- I --- can't stay sober. That is why I think we will see gas man again. I think that all the people who get weeks or months deep into KTC and walk away are making a huge mistake.
They can't see that this form of accountability (although one you wouldn't have guessed) works. And without it they are an addict unleashed. That is why I need KTC. That is why I hate to see guys walk away. That is why I defensive when people insult the flavor of this kool-aid. For most of us, we need it, this kool-aid saves our life, and without it we are done.
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Can people quit using nicotine without KTC? Yes. Every day someone walks away from cigarettes or tobacco. So why do I get so angry and (real talk: afraid) when someone who has been posting roll beside me for nearly 90 days decides to walk away? Do I feel like they are walking out on me? Not especially. A guy today in RANT who never did anything but post and ghost pulled this stunt today. I was talking to my wife about it. I told her I think he posted his excuse because he didn't want us to be mad at him. That some part of the KTC brotherhood had rubbed off on him enough to tell his conscience that was he was doing wasn't a good thing.
Will he stay quit? I don't think so. Here is why. The answer to my previous question I think deserves some introspection. Why do I get angry about someone being "cured" as we like to say around here? For me personally I think it might have something to do with what I call "veterans syndrome." I saw it from guys in the navy first. They had been in for 16 or 18 years, close to retirement and hating every minute of it. When someone with only 6 or 8 years comes along and starts getting close to getting out they circle like sharks.
"The job market is bad."
"You won't be able to live like you do now."
"You already have a lot of time in, just stick it out."
On and on. There were as many reasons as there are sailors. I learned they weren't talking to the guy in front of them. In a round about way they were trying to convince themselves that the decision they made (committing to the military for 20 years) was the right one. That getting out was dangerous and full of peril. While not a perfect analogy for why I act the way I do here, I think this idea suggests some of the thoughts I have when I see people walk away from KTC. Can I walk away from KTC? People stay quit with it right? Will there ever be a day where I don't need it to stay quit?
I can't speak for forever but a post from Lipi answers this nicely. I am an addict. As an addict I need accountability to stay sober. No form of accountability in my life has ever worked before reaching KTC. KTC is the only form of accountability that has kept me sober. Without KTC -- I --- can't stay sober. That is why I think we will see gas man again. I think that all the people who get weeks or months deep into KTC and walk away are making a huge mistake.
They can't see that this form of accountability (although one you wouldn't have guessed) works. And without it they are an addict unleashed. That is why I need KTC. That is why I hate to see guys walk away. That is why I defensive when people insult the flavor of this kool-aid. For most of us, we need it, this kool-aid saves our life, and without it we are done.
In 1992 I had to decide whether to get out of the Army or stay in. I was going to re-inlist, but the Army said I couldn't change my job, so I decided to get out. Like you, the sergeants would tell me that the economy was bad (end of Bush's term) and I would not be able to find a job.
I think that the Army knew they found a good soldier in myself, and maybe I was a bright spot in that part of their career; a chance to mold this guy into a soldier. I was 100% into the military. I went to the promotion board as an E-4 before PLDC. I soaked in everything that was the US ARMY.
Anyways, I decided it was in my best interest to leave the military and did so.
It would appear that after 100 days that soxfnn would be 100% into KTC and December. I buy into the koolade and try and steer people the right way with their quit the best I can. If someone like myself, you, or one of the dozens of people in December like us were to 'go it alone', that would be how those sergeants felt about a crack soldier leaving their ranks.
It's important who is in the foxhole with me. I want someone that will be there if I need them. Just knowing how passionate you and the other RANTERS are helps my quit. We are at war with Nicotine. There is no cure. There is no end. This is black and white. The only way to win is to follow the KTC plan or be stranded on a deserted island where there is no nicotine.
The quitter that can't get out of bed to post roll or do 40 pushups the sergeants cared less for, and so should we.
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100?!!? Outstanding!!! Do it again!! 'oh yeah'
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100?!!? Outstanding!!! Do it again!! 'oh yeah'
Congrats Sajax, solid all the way. Keep the momentum.
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Pat Sajax, you are the man.
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Nice work on the first 100. Excellent job. Enjoy this milestone! They only get better!
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Nice work on the first 100. Excellent job. Enjoy this milestone! They only get better!
Happy HOF New Year!!! Congrats!
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Sajax- congrats on hitting the HOF.
I am both proud of you and thankful that you are here because you make my quit stronger.
Happy New Year bro!
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Sajax- congrats on hitting the HOF.
I am both proud of you and thankful that you are here because you make my quit stronger.
Happy New Year bro!
Sorry I'm late to the party.
Congrats Sajax!!! Day 101 is just as awesome as 100.
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Sajax- congrats on hitting the HOF.
I am both proud of you and thankful that you are here because you make my quit stronger.
Happy New Year bro!
Sorry I'm late to the party.
Congrats Sajax!!! Day 101 is just as awesome as 100.
Congrats (plus a day) Pajax!! Helluva way to ring in the new year.
Thanks for all you bring to the site, and let's sign up for another hundy!
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Sajax- congrats on hitting the HOF.
I am both proud of you and thankful that you are here because you make my quit stronger.
Happy New Year bro!
Sorry I'm late to the party.
Congrats Sajax!!! Day 101 is just as awesome as 100.
Congrats (plus a day) Pajax!! Helluva way to ring in the new year.
Thanks for all you bring to the site, and let's sign up for another hundy!
Congrats on 101 sajax!
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That HOF speech was really inspiring. That speech should be a must read for newbies. It's so easy to be put off by this place as a newbie. I remember thinking it's ghey to give out phone numbers, post support in groups, etc. Follow the path well worn. It's that simple.
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A good long conversation can be helpful to a healthy understanding of a situation.
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I am not sure where to begin. My time on this site previously taught me two things. The process here works; I was able to quit and stay quit. The second was that I am an asshole. No two ways about it.
My first journey ended with time in the mental hospital (issues unrelated to dip). I am much better now (and stable) but about a year or two ago I picked back up dip. I don't remember exactly when because some of my treatments cause memory issues, but I think I've been dipping again for about two years.
I don't want to dip any more. I want to quit.
I don't know what the etiquette prescribes for a person in my situation but I'm all ears and hoping I can join back in on the rolls and keep my big dumb mouth shut this time around (unless it is to share a kindness or encouragement).
-Sajax
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I am not sure where to begin. My time on this site previously taught me two things. The process here works; I was able to quit and stay quit. The second was that I am an asshole. No two ways about it.
My first journey ended with time in the mental hospital (issues unrelated to dip). I am much better now (and stable) but about a year or two ago I picked back up dip. I don't remember exactly when because some of my treatments cause memory issues, but I think I've been dipping again for about two years.
I don't want to dip any more. I want to quit.
I don't know what the etiquette prescribes for a person in my situation but I'm all ears and hoping I can join back in on the rolls and keep my big dumb mouth shut this time around (unless it is to share a kindness or encouragement).
-Sajax
@Sajax (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10756) here is the link to take your freedom back https://ktcforum.org/index.php?topic=16776.0. You sure did throw a great down the shitter. Be prepared to answer the 3 questions in your new group and post them in your old group as well.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently this time to prevent caving?
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I've been slowly working my way into some topics or posts that go beyond posting roll every day. I believe that being connected firms up the commitment to the process. I really really appreciate seeing some of my original peers posting support of me. It doesn't take much to type but that little "with sajax" makes more difference than I could've guessed.
Thank you: @Sir Nopenhagen (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366) @Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793) @ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901) You guys rock.
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I've been slowly working my way into some topics or posts that go beyond posting roll every day. I believe that being connected firms up the commitment to the process. I really really appreciate seeing some of my original peers posting support of me. It doesn't take much to type but that little "with sajax" makes more difference than I could've guessed.
Thank you: @Sir Nopenhagen (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366) @Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793) @ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901) You guys rock.
This wasn't a good idea. I'm not good at interacting with others on the internet.
Edit: I, like many other here (I would assume) have a bit of an all or nothing personality. It sucks that a little off-topic nonsense completely unrelated to my goals or hope for posting roll with like minded quitters is making me want to pack in trying to be here at KTC.
"Keep the quit forget the rest." Yeah, I know. Sigh. Post roll and ghost? That fucking sucks too. What do compatriots? What do?
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I've been slowly working my way into some topics or posts that go beyond posting roll every day. I believe that being connected firms up the commitment to the process. I really really appreciate seeing some of my original peers posting support of me. It doesn't take much to type but that little "with sajax" makes more difference than I could've guessed.
Thank you: @Sir Nopenhagen (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366) @Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793) @ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901) You guys rock.
This wasn't a good idea. I'm not good at interacting with others on the internet.
Edit: I, like many other here (I would assume) have a bit of an all or nothing personality. It sucks that a little off-topic nonsense completely unrelated to my goals or hope for posting roll with like minded quitters is making me want to pack in trying to be here at KTC.
"Keep the quit forget the rest." Yeah, I know. Sigh. Post roll and ghost? That fucking sucks too. What do compatriots? What do?
This article had a lot of good ideas, worth a read if you find yourself in a situation like mine feeling frustrated, angry and confused.
https://www.onewithnow.com/misunderstood-how-to-let-go-of-the-need-to-explain-yourself/
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I've been slowly working my way into some topics or posts that go beyond posting roll every day. I believe that being connected firms up the commitment to the process. I really really appreciate seeing some of my original peers posting support of me. It doesn't take much to type but that little "with sajax" makes more difference than I could've guessed.
Thank you: @Sir Nopenhagen (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366) @Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793) @ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901) You guys rock.
This wasn't a good idea. I'm not good at interacting with others on the internet.
Edit: I, like many other here (I would assume) have a bit of an all or nothing personality. It sucks that a little off-topic nonsense completely unrelated to my goals or hope for posting roll with like minded quitters is making me want to pack in trying to be here at KTC.
"Keep the quit forget the rest." Yeah, I know. Sigh. Post roll and ghost? That fucking sucks too. What do compatriots? What do?
This article had a lot of good ideas, worth a read if you find yourself in a situation like mine feeling frustrated, angry and confused.
https://www.onewithnow.com/misunderstood-how-to-let-go-of-the-need-to-explain-yourself/
We are addicts man. Often we trade one addiction for another. For me, I have to actively keep myself in check in various aspects of my life simultaneously.
I used to get down in the weeds way more around here. Eventually, you have to either cut out all the non-quit related stuff altogether or practice self control which can be a learned process that takes time.
I don't know you personally so I don't know what will ultimately work best for you. But I will say this. KTC is a site to quit nicotine. If you find yourself getting sucked into other threads that are distracting you from your quit, that's typically when you need to pull back and focus on why you are here. There is a lot of extra noise around here and it's great to maybe distract from the occasional crave. But never let the side topics consume you or become a detriment to your quit.
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... But never let the side topics consume you or become a detriment to your quit.
What a great statement. Glad you've thrown of the shackles of addiction Sajax. Always nice to see a man striving to be that which he was created to be. This great big quilt of quit is woven with the threads of each quitter. We all add our own flavor to the context. Some like the post and ghost still add to the fabric. Others add more variety and color. To be here is to contribute. I'm glad that you're here.
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Reading through this whole thing again. I don't remember any of it :( but I do want to recognize the folks who took time out of their day to help a lost, drama-queen, no good addict enough that when I got my life back to an even keel I knew KTC was the place to go for support.
I spend my time here fussing with people. I went through the thread of a fellow quitter who passed away and saw all the people who that quitter had impacted in a positive way. (Rest in Peace @traumagnet (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904) )
Have I helped anyone's quit? I don't think so. Not in any significant way. I think I would do best by looking for ways to help others like I said I wanted to at the start. Maybe I need to sign another promise every morning to put others first.
I got a lot of help my first time through here, and paid it back by caving. I want to personally apologize to the following quitters:
@Tuco (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885)
@Doc2quit4good (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=221)
@Grizzlyhasclaws (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951)
@Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793)
@CavMan83 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10224)
@redtrain14 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=283)
@Nolaq (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048)
@Doc Chewfree (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4090)
@slug.go (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1050)
@ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901)
@deerman (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1286)
and yes @RAZD611 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537)
Everyone of you took time to find a lost addict and make sure he came home. I give my promise to stay nic-free and to also look for ways to help. That way your efforts weren't wasted and every person's life I help change for the better is because you all helped me.
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Reading through this whole thing again. I don't remember any of it :( but I do want to recognize the folks who took time out of their day to help a lost, drama-queen, no good addict enough that when I got my life back to an even keel I knew KTC was the place to go for support.
I spend my time here fussing with people. I went through the thread of a fellow quitter who passed away and saw all the people who that quitter had impacted in a positive way. (Rest in Peace @traumagnet (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904) )
Have I helped anyone's quit? I don't think so. Not in any significant way. I think I would do best by looking for ways to help others like I said I wanted to at the start. Maybe I need to sign another promise every morning to put others first.
I got a lot of help my first time through here, and paid it back by caving. I want to personally apologize to the following quitters:
@Tuco (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885)
@Doc2quit4good (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=221)
@Grizzlyhasclaws (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951)
@Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793)
@CavMan83 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10224)
@redtrain14 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=283)
@Nolaq (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048)
@Doc Chewfree (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4090)
@slug.go (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1050)
@ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901)
@deerman (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1286)
and yes @RAZD611 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537)
Everyone of you took time to find a lost addict and make sure he came home. I give my promise to stay nic-free and to also look for ways to help. That way your efforts weren't wasted and every person's life I help change for the better is because you all helped me.
The only thing you own me is your word everyday. (handjobs are nice too 8).
I am the way I am for a reason. I hope you see that now. Addicts have never had anyone sit them down and tell them the way it is, Addict are always coddled, asked nicely, patted on the ass with an atta boy, its ok, you'll get em next time. Thats great if failure is an option. It is not an option here. I will always be here for anyone that needs accountbility and makes an attempt at being quit.
Keep your ass on that horse even if you have to tie your hands to the horn and glue your ass to the saddle.
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Yeah, same here. I’m here to quit with people that understand. Even if I don’t know them personally, they understand what it takes, like nobody else. Not your wife, not tour friends not your parents. And that’s the power here. It’s simple. All else is superfluous. The drama, the grandstanding, the rage.it isn’t about you or me, how we feel, what we don’t feel how we fail or succeed. It is just about being nic free for today. It all falls away if you just come here one day at a time. There is no magic. Just willpower and determination.
So, in that sense, @Sajax (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10756), welcome back. Will you make it this time?
See you tomorrow
Deerman.
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Reading through this whole thing again. I don't remember any of it :( but I do want to recognize the folks who took time out of their day to help a lost, drama-queen, no good addict enough that when I got my life back to an even keel I knew KTC was the place to go for support.
I spend my time here fussing with people. I went through the thread of a fellow quitter who passed away and saw all the people who that quitter had impacted in a positive way. (Rest in Peace @traumagnet (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904) )
Have I helped anyone's quit? I don't think so. Not in any significant way. I think I would do best by looking for ways to help others like I said I wanted to at the start. Maybe I need to sign another promise every morning to put others first.
I got a lot of help my first time through here, and paid it back by caving. I want to personally apologize to the following quitters:
@Tuco (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885)
@Doc2quit4good (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=221)
@Grizzlyhasclaws (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951)
@Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793)
@CavMan83 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10224)
@redtrain14 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=283)
@Nolaq (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048)
@Doc Chewfree (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4090)
@slug.go (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1050)
@ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901)
@deerman (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1286)
and yes @RAZD611 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537)
Everyone of you took time to find a lost addict and make sure he came home. I give my promise to stay nic-free and to also look for ways to help. That way your efforts weren't wasted and every person's life I help change for the better is because you all helped me.
Quit. Stay quit. That’s all WE care about here. The rest is your personal challenge. We will quit with you every day, your other obstacles will also require your full attention, too.
Glad you’re well.
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Reading through this whole thing again. I don't remember any of it :( but I do want to recognize the folks who took time out of their day to help a lost, drama-queen, no good addict enough that when I got my life back to an even keel I knew KTC was the place to go for support.
I spend my time here fussing with people. I went through the thread of a fellow quitter who passed away and saw all the people who that quitter had impacted in a positive way. (Rest in Peace @traumagnet (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904) )
Have I helped anyone's quit? I don't think so. Not in any significant way. I think I would do best by looking for ways to help others like I said I wanted to at the start. Maybe I need to sign another promise every morning to put others first.
I got a lot of help my first time through here, and paid it back by caving. I want to personally apologize to the following quitters:
@Tuco (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885)
@Doc2quit4good (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=221)
@Grizzlyhasclaws (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951)
@Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793)
@CavMan83 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10224)
@redtrain14 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=283)
@Nolaq (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048)
@Doc Chewfree (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4090)
@slug.go (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1050)
@ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901)
@deerman (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1286)
and yes @RAZD611 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537)
Everyone of you took time to find a lost addict and make sure he came home. I give my promise to stay nic-free and to also look for ways to help. That way your efforts weren't wasted and every person's life I help change for the better is because you all helped me.
Quit. Stay quit. That’s all WE care about here. The rest is your personal challenge. We will quit with you every day, your other obstacles will also require your full attention, too.
Glad you’re well.
Keep quitting with us one day at a time. We can’t change the past and no need to worry about the future. Ignore the noise and enjoy being nicotine free today.
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Reading through this whole thing again. I don't remember any of it :( but I do want to recognize the folks who took time out of their day to help a lost, drama-queen, no good addict enough that when I got my life back to an even keel I knew KTC was the place to go for support.
I spend my time here fussing with people. I went through the thread of a fellow quitter who passed away and saw all the people who that quitter had impacted in a positive way. (Rest in Peace @traumagnet (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=904) )
Have I helped anyone's quit? I don't think so. Not in any significant way. I think I would do best by looking for ways to help others like I said I wanted to at the start. Maybe I need to sign another promise every morning to put others first.
I got a lot of help my first time through here, and paid it back by caving. I want to personally apologize to the following quitters:
@Tuco (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885)
@Doc2quit4good (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=221)
@Grizzlyhasclaws (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951)
@Mupig (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793)
@CavMan83 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10224)
@redtrain14 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=283)
@Nolaq (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048)
@Doc Chewfree (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4090)
@slug.go (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1050)
@ChristopherJ (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901)
@deerman (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1286)
and yes @RAZD611 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537)
Everyone of you took time to find a lost addict and make sure he came home. I give my promise to stay nic-free and to also look for ways to help. That way your efforts weren't wasted and every person's life I help change for the better is because you all helped me.
Quit. Stay quit. That’s all WE care about here. The rest is your personal challenge. We will quit with you every day, your other obstacles will also require your full attention, too.
Glad you’re well.
Keep quitting with us one day at a time. We can’t change the past and no need to worry about the future. Ignore the noise and enjoy being nicotine free today.
Just stay quit this time Sajax. After going through what we went through in late 2014, you’d have to be as crazy as a shithouse rat to put yourself through all that crap again. But here you are. You’re better off here though. It’s a lot gentler and kind. You’ll do well in your current group with all you know about stopping. Best of luck and remember to burn your boat this time.
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I've reached out to my support group and haven't heard back yet, but I could use someone to talk to. I'm in the live chat if anyone is around.
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I've reached out to my support group and haven't heard back yet, but I could use someone to talk to. I'm in the live chat if anyone is around.
This has been sorted. I want to give a hearty thanks to group that reached out. You guys and gals are rock-stars!