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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: chaddy08 on October 01, 2018, 09:57:09 AM
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Well, Here goes again (for the second time). I was here before, years ago. (May 13, 2013 I was on the old forums, made it to Sept. of 2013). had to go and look, but yeah I was here before. I do know I received a coin in the mail and was pretty proud of that. And then I don't know what happened......what has always happened, a relapse turns into full blown dipping a can every few days. I have made it to the 90 day point at least 3 times over the last 27 years that I've been dipping full time (since I was 18). I'll be 45 in a few weeks (on the 15th of October) and I have just decided to give it a go once again. It is different now, I am older, I have a 4 1/2 year old daughter who I want to be around for, I still want to dip, and want to dip quite a bit, but a lot less than I used to, mainly just at night before I go to bed, when I'm away by myself on travel, when I'm on a road trip by myself in my car, those are my triggers, for sure. Kodiak long cut wintergreen is my choice. I've been hooked since I was about 15 or 16, full time since I could buy it when I was 18. I know without a doubt it rules my life, and I want to be free of that. I've said that before......and yet keep coming back to it, but in all my attempts to quit this resource here has been the greatest help, by far, since we ALL are going through the same struggles, some keep with it, some quit quitting (like me) and I suppose some of us come back here again to try once more. Like I have heard before, never, ever stop trying to quit. Sometime it will work, you just have to want it enough.
To add a bit more to my introduction, here is a message I sent to Capital70, who in some regards is much like me, (much like a lot of us, married - to a wife who no doubt doesn't like that we dip at all, with kids, been doing it for years and years), in our 30's or 40's, half of our life left to live (hopefully), and wanting it to be different, so here is the add on to my introduction:
(Oct. 2nd, 2018)
"Thanks Man! I really, really appreciate it! It helps so much to have someone here, a lot of guys actually I can really relate to. I'm about to be 45 (in two weeks, on the 15th), I've been married to my very loving, forgiving, wonderful wife for 19 years, I have 2 daughters (Ella - deceased) and (Emma - 4 1/2). I first tried chew when I was 15 or 16. A kid down the street, who my friend and I used to play basketball with, he was a bit older, 17 or 18 and he let us try some of his Beechnut long cut wintergreen chew - long leaf stuff. My friend and I walked around the block with a big ol' dip in, and I was hooked. My friend threw up but I just got a massive buzz and that night even, I snuck out of my house, went down to his car and stole that shit. He knew I did, and he was ok with it. It's been pretty much full time for me since I was about 18. I was in the Navy for 21 years, retiring in 2016, and all but a few short 3 month periods (on deployment - Submarines!) where I had earlier decided to quit it's been every damn day that I've dipped. I was on here sometime around 2008- 2010 and I did make it to 110-120 days, but that's the longest I have ever gone. I can't explain to anyone why I went back to it, but this time I want it, need it to be different, for myself, for my family, for my health and sanity. It has in every literal sense ruled my world, literally. It may be a different drug than say Heroin or Meth, but I feel fully that the addiction is that strong, absolutely. Thank You again for reaching out!."
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Welcome back.
Go to you Quit Group, which can be found here: http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=584.0 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=584.0)
Post roll. Be prepared to answer some questions. The questions are designed to get you thinking about your quit, and take it seriously. You have to get past the "sometime it will work" mentality, and make this your Quit.
Never Again For Any Reason!
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Welcome back, but just to be sure, it wont work if you are here to try.
Don't try to quit.
Don't think of it as something you have to do.
Stop thinking about it and just QUIT.
Wake up early, post your promise not to use.
Keep your word and do not put any nicotine into your body.
Wake up and do it again the next day.
You can keep your word for 24 hours, can't you?
That's all it takes.
Trying is for fakebook.
We quit here
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Welcome Back only on day 84, but congrats on quitting again. What will make it different this time? After re-reading your post, it stuck me that you might be setting yourself up for a crave. Are you truly quit? If you don't know, then ponder that. I know I had to ponder it and still do every stinking day.
Message me if you want someone's digits to keep you accountable. I can be an encouragement and a real pain in the ass too.
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I'm glad you've decided to come back and try again. Nobody is perfect. Don't let anybody tell you that because you broke that you're somehow not good enough or you're less of a quitter or something. We all fail in life and the important thing is that you're not giving up and you want to make a change. I hope you find your group and get involved with them and lean on them. Good luck and quit on!
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What do I think will make this time different? I have thought about it a lot since I decided to quit (before I decided to quit - since Oct. 1st was the day I decided on to quit) and I think most of all it is that I have a daughter who is now old enough to know what is going on. (4 1/2, almost 5). I've lied to my wife so many times about being done with it and I think what helps a lot this time too, is that rather than just logging in and posting every day, this time I have phone numbers of others, to check in with each day, they are quitting too, and it's much more close and immediate.
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Chaddy,
I've already harassed you in Jan '19 and sent you my digits as well.
KTC is remarkably simple and effective even though this is incredibly difficult to do:
1) Wake up
2) Piss
3) Post
4) Keep your word for 24 hours!
5) Repeat
If you do that, you will be Quit ODAAT. Don't worry about quitting forever, just the 24 hours (and sometimes even less than that) at a time.
As a retread you need to answer the three (four really) questions. I know you gave it a go this morning, but I'd like you to read my reply in Jan '19 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?topic=584.msg31207#msg31207) and give it some more thought.
You CAN do this.
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:rolleyes: Hello All, I am a new quitter here, I am in the Navy and attended a Tobacco Cessation Class offered by the Navy on 9 May 2013. I had been dipping Kodiak Longcut Wintergreen for a little over 21 years, starting daily from the time I was 18 to present (39). I first had a friend introduce me to straight Beech-Nut long leaf chew when I was either 15 or 16. I remember it like it was yesterday, a friend of mine and me played basketball with this older kid, he had the chew and asked if we wanted to try it. We both did and took a walk around our neighborhood, my friend ended up throwing up and I didn't......I was hooked. I couldn't sleep that night and actually went down the street and took it out of his car that night (it was summer and he left his car window cracked). The longest I have gone yet on any of my quit attempts has been exactly 3 months to the day....on deployment on a submarine (the half way point of the deployment), I started up the day I got home.
So far it has been since the morning of 9 May 2013 when I last dipped, during that class. Now I have been using some nicorette gum that I bought myself, the Navy issues horrible off brand nicorette gum and the Nicoderm CQ patch. I don't want to try the patch and the actual nicorette gum is really pretty good. I also have ordered some Hooch brand non-tobacco, non-nicotine chew, looking forward to trying that out. Main thing is, I don't want to be on the Nicotine gum for any longer than I feel I really need to.
The biggest difference this time is I want to quit, finally, I have told everyone I can think of that I am wanting to quit.....especially my wife, who I have kept it a secret from for a long time, back and forth between telling her I am still dipping and I quit a long time ago, and such.
I will post roll call in my Quit group today, August 2013.....ironically, or not so, my wife's birthday will be 8 August, nearly my 100 day point, when I make it there!
Thanks,
- Chad
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Go to the welcome center section and read up on how and why we do things the way we do here. No nicotine, patches or gum are used if you want to post roll. Everyone who posts is cold stoned turkey. You can do it too.
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Hello Chad and welcome you can do this it will suck not going to lie but if you want to quit and keep quit this is the place. One thing you cant post roll until you are quit. No NICOTINE of any kind. You are just changing the delivery of nicotine You want to quit throw it all away do whatever you have to keep yourself from using it. You like me are an addict get it away from you. Read Read READ go to the top of the page and read the welcome center there is also a section for spouses to read. Having her on board will help you with your quit. If you have any questions or need something PM me. you can do this toss the nicotine crap out dont be a slave anymore to the NIC Bitch
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Hey brother! Welcome to the best, and healthiest, decision you ever made. I can't stress enough what TRAUMA and GR8WHITE already mentioned... Nic be gone! From this point forward you are Quit and done with that poison! Whatever it takes to keep it out of your body... Do it! Seeds, gum, candy, herbal dip substitutes, fruit-n-veg, excercise... S'all good. Just NO nic. Cold turkey bro... I did it 29 days ago and every day since. I'll join you today too!
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Chad.
You and I are a lot alike. Close age same tenure dipping, I did the cope, but very similar. Hey spit the nic gum out, to hell with any form of nicotine. To post roll you are not promising to not use dip, your promise is to not use nicotine in any form! These guys ripped me a new ass when I joined. I was on the patch. I took it off that day. I have been off nicotine completely now for 16days. And I feel free, yea there are still moments but damn it I am free. Dude quit with us. We will support you and pull you along with us. We want you in our quit group. I will quit with you brother!
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Chad.
You and I are a lot alike. Close age same tenure dipping, I did the cope, but very similar. Hey spit the nic gum out, to hell with any form of nicotine. To post roll you are not promising to not use dip, your promise is to not use nicotine in any form! These guys ripped me a new ass when I joined. I was on the patch. I took it off that day. I have been off nicotine completely now for 16days. And I feel free, yea there are still moments but damn it I am free. Dude quit with us. We will support you and pull you along with us. We want you in our quit group. I will quit with you brother!
I'll take this a step further -
This a NO NICOTINE SITE, period, no discussion.
Have the decency to respect those of us who quit any and all forms of nicotine and don't post here until you do.
Why this Site Works (http://www.killthecan.org/about/why.asp)
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Update to the below post......I was corrected yesterday afternoon. I am not in fact at day 6, starting over at day 1. This morning May 16th at 0930 has been 24 hours since I have used ANY form of nicotine, no chew, no nicotine gum, no patch....I have not dipped since May 9th, but no nicotine at all for the last 24 hours.
Hello All, I am a new quitter here, I am in the Navy and attended a Tobacco Cessation Class offered by the Navy on 9 May 2013. I had been dipping Kodiak Longcut Wintergreen for a little over 21 years, starting daily from the time I was 18 to present (39). I first had a friend introduce me to straight Beech-Nut long leaf chew when I was either 15 or 16. I remember it like it was yesterday, a friend of mine and me played basketball with this older kid, he had the chew and asked if we wanted to try it. We both did and took a walk around our neighborhood, my friend ended up throwing up and I didn't......I was hooked. I couldn't sleep that night and actually went down the street and took it out of his car that night (it was summer and he left his car window cracked). The longest I have gone yet on any of my quit attempts has been exactly 3 months to the day....on deployment on a submarine (the half way point of the deployment), I started up the day I got home.
So far it has been since the morning of 9 May 2013 when I last dipped, during that class. Now I have been using some nicorette gum that I bought myself, the Navy issues horrible off brand nicorette gum and the Nicoderm CQ patch. I don't want to try the patch and the actual nicorette gum is really pretty good. I also have ordered some Hooch brand non-tobacco, non-nicotine chew, looking forward to trying that out. Main thing is, I don't want to be on the Nicotine gum for any longer than I feel I really need to.
The biggest difference this time is I want to quit, finally, I have told everyone I can think of that I am wanting to quit.....especially my wife, who I have kept it a secret from for a long time, back and forth between telling her I am still dipping and I quit a long time ago, and such.
I will post roll call in my Quit group today, August 2013.....ironically, or not so, my wife's birthday will be 8 August, nearly my 100 day point, when I make it there!
Thanks,
- Chad
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Now that you are Nic free, welcome! I quit with you today!
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Update to the below post......I was corrected yesterday afternoon. I am not in fact at day 6, starting over at day 1. This morning May 16th at 0930 has been 24 hours since I have used ANY form of nicotine, no chew, no nicotine gum, no patch....I have not dipped since May 9th, but no nicotine at all for the last 24 hours.
Hello All, I am a new quitter here, I am in the Navy and attended a Tobacco Cessation Class offered by the Navy on 9 May 2013. I had been dipping Kodiak Longcut Wintergreen for a little over 21 years, starting daily from the time I was 18 to present (39). I first had a friend introduce me to straight Beech-Nut long leaf chew when I was either 15 or 16. I remember it like it was yesterday, a friend of mine and me played basketball with this older kid, he had the chew and asked if we wanted to try it. We both did and took a walk around our neighborhood, my friend ended up throwing up and I didn't......I was hooked. I couldn't sleep that night and actually went down the street and took it out of his car that night (it was summer and he left his car window cracked). The longest I have gone yet on any of my quit attempts has been exactly 3 months to the day....on deployment on a submarine (the half way point of the deployment), I started up the day I got home.
So far it has been since the morning of 9 May 2013 when I last dipped, during that class. Now I have been using some nicorette gum that I bought myself, the Navy issues horrible off brand nicorette gum and the Nicoderm CQ patch. I don't want to try the patch and the actual nicorette gum is really pretty good. I also have ordered some Hooch brand non-tobacco, non-nicotine chew, looking forward to trying that out. Main thing is, I don't want to be on the Nicotine gum for any longer than I feel I really need to.
The biggest difference this time is I want to quit, finally, I have told everyone I can think of that I am wanting to quit.....especially my wife, who I have kept it a secret from for a long time, back and forth between telling her I am still dipping and I quit a long time ago, and such.
I will post roll call in my Quit group today, August 2013.....ironically, or not so, my wife's birthday will be 8 August, nearly my 100 day point, when I make it there!
Thanks,
- Chad
Welcome man, and congratulations.
I went ahead and I merged this new intro with your old one. I did this because (1) we like to have 1 intro per person, and (2) it's really interested to see our past in line with where we are now. Quitting is a learning process, and you are fresh to it. Everybody can misstep, and many do. It doesn't make it right, but it is something we need to learn from.
You see, there are 2 aspects to this quit: your physical dependency and mental habit. You break the dependence on nicotine in 3-7 days (a looooong 3-7 days), but there will still be underlying issues in your brain as it rewires itself. You will be alright, but nicotine replacement draws these symptoms out forever. For some reason, non-addicts think that tearing the band-aid off slowly helps. In all reality, it lets the smut peddlers charge more for their product to come in a different vehicle.
Secondly, your mental habit is that "empty lip" feeling. It's the urge to mow the lawn, watch a game, etc. with one in. It's that sitting around and spitting and packing it and all those lovely habits. These are easily broken, or easily satisfied with herbal, seeds, etc.
24 hours is freaking awesome, and you can do this. Drink tons of water (think marathon training. Think going to the bathroom all the time.), exercise (push-ups kill craves quickly), and limit your caffeine for now. Read everything you can here, and ask questions. Make your promise, and make some friends. We're only here to help you.
You can do this.
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Great job. Way to step up and bring it. Check out this link. http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) It will tell you what to expect. The first 3 days are the hardest, embrace the suck. Keep posting roll each day and keep your word.
Welcome to KTC.
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Way to man up Chad. No nic today. One day at a time is all we ask and expect. If a full 24 is too tough, break it down and quit for the hour if need be, then repeat. All the supprt you could ever imagine is here, use it. Listen to these guys. Be open minded. Drink the kool-aid. And most important, when you feel weak REACH OUT!
Send a PM to someone, ANYONE (look to see who's online)
Send a text (start gathering digits)
Post in the URGENT - Need Help NOW (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=267) forum and someone will find you
Give your word to remain nic free early and keep your word for the day. It's quite simple. We have been at day 1 and know how shitty it is. Never forget the feeling. Never forget you're an addict and can't handle "just one".
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The first 3 or 4 days i broke the quit down by the hour really. I was pretty much a dip every hour and half kind of guy so i had to quell a crave almost hourly at first. One thing that helped me a ton, was getting up early and doing something different. I ran a couple of mornings, i went to the driving range, i got a morning quickie from the wife...all of those things helped change my daily routine. I'm only on day 9 but those things got me through the "suck" part of it all. Congrats....i'm a quitter with you today.
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Good job Chad! If nicotine is something that you truly want to be free of, then enjoy these next few shitty-ass days. They are not fun or easy, but they are a reminder of our addiction just how much nicotine controls our lives. If these first days teach us anything, it's that we do not wanna go through them again, EVER! Cravings come cravings go, but knowing our "why" for quitting should make things go a bit easier. I'm glad to be quit with you today
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welcome. Happy to quit with you. It's gonna be hell at first, but it's worth it!
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Update to the below post......I was corrected yesterday afternoon. I am not in fact at day 6, starting over at day 1. This morning May 16th at 0930 has been 24 hours since I have used ANY form of nicotine, no chew, no nicotine gum, no patch....I have not dipped since May 9th, but no nicotine at all for the last 24 hours.
Hello All, I am a new quitter here, I am in the Navy and attended a Tobacco Cessation Class offered by the Navy on 9 May 2013. I had been dipping Kodiak Longcut Wintergreen for a little over 21 years, starting daily from the time I was 18 to present (39). I first had a friend introduce me to straight Beech-Nut long leaf chew when I was either 15 or 16. I remember it like it was yesterday, a friend of mine and me played basketball with this older kid, he had the chew and asked if we wanted to try it. We both did and took a walk around our neighborhood, my friend ended up throwing up and I didn't......I was hooked. I couldn't sleep that night and actually went down the street and took it out of his car that night (it was summer and he left his car window cracked). The longest I have gone yet on any of my quit attempts has been exactly 3 months to the day....on deployment on a submarine (the half way point of the deployment), I started up the day I got home.
So far it has been since the morning of 9 May 2013 when I last dipped, during that class. Now I have been using some nicorette gum that I bought myself, the Navy issues horrible off brand nicorette gum and the Nicoderm CQ patch. I don't want to try the patch and the actual nicorette gum is really pretty good. I also have ordered some Hooch brand non-tobacco, non-nicotine chew, looking forward to trying that out. Main thing is, I don't want to be on the Nicotine gum for any longer than I feel I really need to.
The biggest difference this time is I want to quit, finally, I have told everyone I can think of that I am wanting to quit.....especially my wife, who I have kept it a secret from for a long time, back and forth between telling her I am still dipping and I quit a long time ago, and such.
I will post roll call in my Quit group today, August 2013.....ironically, or not so, my wife's birthday will be 8 August, nearly my 100 day point, when I make it there!
Thanks,
- Chad
WTG ! man. Keep the quit, lose the can.
glad to see your here. Aug 2013 should be a great group.
HDsnake Quits with you bro
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Update to the below post......I was corrected yesterday afternoon. I am not in fact at day 6, starting over at day 1. This morning May 16th at 0930 has been 24 hours since I have used ANY form of nicotine, no chew, no nicotine gum, no patch....I have not dipped since May 9th, but no nicotine at all for the last 24 hours.
Hey Chad if you get time go read my thread. I got the exact same lesson my friend! It is goignt to a rough few days if you need me I sent you my number you give me a call man. I will help you anyway I can!
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Hi all, I have been here before. This is my 3rd time here. I’ve been back to full on dipping every day now for the past several years (since 2018 or so - I think?). Today it just hit me again, I just turned 48, I’ve been doing this pretty much non stop for about 32 years. I have to give it up sometime and the time is now I guess. My health is declining, I feel more and more out of control and this is something I fully have control over. Take my life back one day at a time.
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For whatever reason, when I combined your previous two introductions, it put them out of order.
Regardless, I hope you go back and read through it all. What is it going to take to make this your QUIT and not just another stoppage??
"I have to give it up sometime and the time is now I guess." - This phrase tells me right now you will likely not be successful this time either. You don't have to give it up. Lots of people are slaves until they die from this addiction. Those at KTC are the people that choose freedom over slavery and fight for that freedom over their addiction each and every day. You have to want this; you need to have passion in your quit and not a haphazard attitude toward quitting.
Let's start by having you answer the 3 questions @chaddy08 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1341):
1.) What happened?
2.) Why did it happen?
3.) What are you going to do differently this time??
These are for your introspection. Dig deep and be honest with yourself. Stop repeating history and let's make this time your first and only QUIT. Let's go.
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... the time is now I guess...
You guess?
what's the point? Why are you here? Really, why are you here? If you can answer that, it won't be a guessing game. Otherwise, might as well court the bitch all the way to the grave.
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... the time is now I guess...
You guess?
what's the point? Why are you here? Really, why are you here? If you can answer that, it won't be a guessing game. Otherwise, might as well court the bitch all the way to the grave.
And he gone quicker than a fart in a fan factory.
I guess the time will be later...
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... the time is now I guess...
You guess?
what's the point? Why are you here? Really, why are you here? If you can answer that, it won't be a guessing game. Otherwise, might as well court the bitch all the way to the grave.
And he gone quicker than a fart in a fan factory.
I guess the time will be later...
later when he's in poor health from his addiction...
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... the time is now I guess...
You guess?
what's the point? Why are you here? Really, why are you here? If you can answer that, it won't be a guessing game. Otherwise, might as well court the bitch all the way to the grave.
And he gone quicker than a fart in a fan factory.
I guess the time will be later...
later when he's in poor health from his addiction...
@chaddy08 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1341) are you waiting to have cancer to quit? Take control of your life. You will never regret quitting.
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Hi all, I have been here before. This is my 3rd time here. I’ve been back to full on dipping every day now for the past several years (since 2018 or so - I think?). Today it just hit me again, I just turned 48, I’ve been doing this pretty much non stop for about 32 years. I have to give it up sometime and the time is now I guess. My health is declining, I feel more and more out of control and this is something I fully have control over. Take my life back one day at a time.
Did you quit?
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Hi all, I have been here before. This is my 3rd time here. I’ve been back to full on dipping every day now for the past several years (since 2018 or so - I think?). Today it just hit me again, I just turned 48, I’ve been doing this pretty much non stop for about 32 years. I have to give it up sometime and the time is now I guess. My health is declining, I feel more and more out of control and this is something I fully have control over. Take my life back one day at a time.
*Narrator*: The time in fact wasn't now
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Hi all, I have been here before. This is my 3rd time here. I’ve been back to full on dipping every day now for the past several years (since 2018 or so - I think?). Today it just hit me again, I just turned 48, I’ve been doing this pretty much non stop for about 32 years. I have to give it up sometime and the time is now I guess. My health is declining, I feel more and more out of control and this is something I fully have control over. Take my life back one day at a time.
*Narrator*: The time in fact wasn't now
Yup, he guessed wrong!