General Discussion - 2016

[dwayne]

Hi guys, onto the second day. Trying to get into the roll call and the april quit group but having issues. I will hopefully get things set up today and start doing the roll call every morning. Wow can't believe how tough this is as its been 10 years since I last tried to quit. I do believe this site is awesome and makes us stick to our guns.

[SeanK]

FYI on those thinking about Nicotine Replacement Therapy...Does it Work? Is it Tolerated here? QA


...and we do not tolerate Nicotine Replacement Therapy."

No Sir, we do NOT! Coming from someone who tried Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT), I am here to tell you that it works very well...at making you keep using nicotine. If you want to continue dipping, please, by all means, go for some NRT. You'll be back on the dip quicker than the Browns losing a football game (that one was for you, Jamie). In my opinion, which is shared by quite a few others on this site, the tobacco companies want you to try to quit using NRT. Hell, they even sponsor those commercials for Nicoderm CQ, Nicorette, and the like. Why? Simple. It's because they know you'll eventually say "To Hell with this" and return back to your old habit of choice (i.e. smoking, dipping). It's a win/win for them. As a guy who went to Business School, I'd say it's a great plan! If I was the CEO of Phillip Morris (they own many cigarette brands, including Marlboro), I'd invest money in a company making NRTs. It's simple: you temporarily transfer a segment of your customers to another subsidiary company and grab some more cash from them before they return to your primary enterprise, so you get 'em coming AND going!

For all of you quantitative folks like me, let's talk numbers. A quick Google search will yield the cold, hard truth on NRTs: they don't work. At least not for most people. http://www.tobaccofree.org/quitlinks.htm If you check out that link, you'll see the results of a study done on NRTs. 23% of participants initially were successful in quitting using NRTs, but only 15% were still quitters at the one-year mark. Sounds pretty solid to me. Think of what a 15% success rate means. 85 out of 100 people were not successful in permanently quitting using NRTs. Imagine if birth control was only 15% effective? Now, I didn't do my due diligence and verify the validity of this study, but here's another one done by Harvard: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press- ... therapies/ . We also don't know what they considered a success. Was not returning to tobacco and simply remaining dependent on nicotine through NRTs a success? You get the gist.

For those who don't like numbers, how about a personal story for you? I tried the patch, the gum, and the lozenges. Each time, I either still dipped or came right back to it, full force. It didn't work for me, and it very likely won't work for you (see last paragraph). It wasn't until I found this site that I was successful in quitting. You don't need NRTs. You need a support network, accountability, and most importantly, the will to quit. If you have those, you stand a good chance at making it.


SeanK-Day 114

[Nomore1959]

Hey guys, thought i would post to let the others that are quitting know they have another person to look to.
I havent been dipping for as long as many of you, but it has been at a fast rate, all copenhagen. On to day 4!

Welcome Quenton! 4 days is a great start!

You too should head to the April 2016 quit group and join a fine group of quitters, post roll, and get to know those guys.

[Stranger999]

"Stopped" chewing for 5 days last September after getting back on this site and reading all of the great motivation and major kicks in the asses. Like an absolute stupid f**k, started again. Dumped my can on 1/2 at 2:35pm. Please tell me what an idiot I have been and bring it on because it helps shame me into realizing what a stupid f'ing selfish prick I have now been for over 30 years. I am married with a 7 and 9 year old. I obviously need help, but this is the final time I am going to quit. I also realize this isn't a site for people who want to try to quit, but it is for people who actually quit. Feel like I have let you guys down and most of all my self.

Thanks in advance for putting me in my place!! Congrats to all the quitters on this site, I admire you guys so much! Feels great to be off the garbage for almost 2 days now and I try to keep focusing on that great feeling as opposed to the withdrawl symptoms. Fortunately I really only dipped 4-5 times a day and would only keep my dips in for an hour or less at a time so I am guessing that is why the withdrawl symptoms so far haven't been nearly as bad as what I have read that some of you guys have been through.

F you Kodiak!

skagnetti13 you are an idiot - you were in my quit group and you only posted a Day 1. Where were you for days 2 through 5 of your "stop"? Posting roll is an every day thing here for a reason - keeping a promise for 24 hours is a lot easier than keeping a promise for a week. Had you been with us every day you might be over a hundred days quit like I am right now.

Get yourself into the April 2016 quit group and post every day, first thing in the morning. Get some digits from your April brothers. Tell them your cave story. April 2016 is looking like a bad ass group of quitters right now. All of the help that you need is here for you but you need to be willing to be helped and do your part by showing up every day.

I quit with you today.

[QuentonC]

Hey guys, thought i would post to let the others that are quitting know they have another person to look to.
I havent been dipping for as long as many of you, but it has been at a fast rate, all copenhagen. On to day 4!

[Nomore1959]

Dwayne and Skagnetti, welcome!

You will be posting roll in the April 2016 Quit Group: topic/11465559/89/

Drink lots of water, exercise, read this site.

[dwayne]

Hello I am looking for the area to post my first day of quitting, can anyone steer me in the right direction. I have been dipping for 32 years and it is time to quit, soar mouth and all the other stuff. Looks like not so much for a bit. I threw out a new can a hour ago (not cheap, I live in Canada).

Thanks

[skagnetti13]

"Stopped" chewing for 5 days last September after getting back on this site and reading all of the great motivation and major kicks in the asses. Like an absolute stupid f**k, started again. Dumped my can on 1/2 at 2:35pm. Please tell me what an idiot I have been and bring it on because it helps shame me into realizing what a stupid f'ing selfish prick I have now been for over 30 years. I am married with a 7 and 9 year old. I obviously need help, but this is the final time I am going to quit. I also realize this isn't a site for people who want to try to quit, but it is for people who actually quit. Feel like I have let you guys down and most of all my self.

Thanks in advance for putting me in my place!! Congrats to all the quitters on this site, I admire you guys so much! Feels great to be off the garbage for almost 2 days now and I try to keep focusing on that great feeling as opposed to the withdrawl symptoms. Fortunately I really only dipped 4-5 times a day and would only keep my dips in for an hour or less at a time so I am guessing that is why the withdrawl symptoms so far haven't been nearly as bad as what I have read that some of you guys have been through.

F you Kodiak!

[Nomore1959]

Hello,
My name is Derek, I'm a Corporal in the United States Marine Corps, have been dipping for nearly 3 years now, and with the boredom of my job and just the military life style I have been tearing through a can a day, maybe more on occasions, and decided it was time. I am tired of waking up with shredded cheeks and lips, and the awful morning breath, and noticing my gum line dropping, I handed my can of Copenhagen wintergreen to a fellow marine and told him to trash it for me, I'm nervous for this, not sure what to expect, but reading the threads have helped me understand more, prayers please.

Derek, good decision! Quitting is simple, but very difficult. Go to the April 2016 quit group say hello and post roll, your promise not to use nicotine for 24 hours. We post roll every day. That is the simple part.

The difficult part is nicotine is a very strong addiction. You will want to get to know your fellow quitters, trade phone numbers, and build a net of support. Post an intro, let the other Marines on the site know you are here -- they can relate to service specific issues you face.

Drink lots of water, exercise as much as possible, read as much as possible here.

Power through the first days of withdrawal, you can do this!

[DerekCBell]

Hello,
My name is Derek, I'm a Corporal in the United States Marine Corps, have been dipping for nearly 3 years now, and with the boredom of my job and just the military life style I have been tearing through a can a day, maybe more on occasions, and decided it was time. I am tired of waking up with shredded cheeks and lips, and the awful morning breath, and noticing my gum line dropping, I handed my can of Copenhagen wintergreen to a fellow marine and told him to trash it for me, I'm nervous for this, not sure what to expect, but reading the threads have helped me understand more, prayers please.

[chewie]

Just questions, I'm trying to figure out what to expect, I've been dipping since I was 10 or 12, so over 30 years, just ran across this site today after the tingling episode. I want to make sure I go about it the right way, I've never even considered quitting before, i just don't really like it anymore. But from what I'm reading here it's not gonna be as easy as I thought , I hadn't thought about the other things that go along with it like dealing with problems and such without having a dip. I was so young when I started that I didn't have to deal with problems.

Cold turkey is the way to go. It will be hell, but if you do that, it'll be the fastest way to success.

It takes nicotine 72 hours to get out of your system. Just rip off the bandaid, dump the dip and be a quitter.

Here's a couple of articles that may help:

What To Expect When You Quit Dipping
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/

Symptoms Of Quitting Dip  Chew
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/sym ... -dip-chew/

You're in the right place. We "get it". When you're ready dive right in!

Chewie

[chewie]

so this guestion goes out to the vets. was wondering what the average is when you start feeling better. i know everybodys different but i figured with all the replys you've read there might be a pattern that has shown up. just curious. thanks

Here's a timeline that we've put together over the years that will give you a great idea of what to expect in your first 100 days
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/

That being said, to answer your question I'd say you're probably start to "feel better" (IE, not wanting to eat your table legs) around day 20 or so.

Chewie

[medic401]

Just questions, I'm trying to figure out what to expect, I've been dipping since I was 10 or 12, so over 30 years, just ran across this site today after the tingling episode. I want to make sure I go about it the right way, I've never even considered quitting before, i just don't really like it anymore. But from what I'm reading here it's not gonna be as easy as I thought , I hadn't thought about the other things that go along with it like dealing with problems and such without having a dip. I was so young when I started that I didn't have to deal with problems.

[Diesel2112]

Getting ready to quit, I went 14 hours today without, until I started feeling like my face was separated from my body, tingling, numb just a very strange feeling, it was like I was high or something. I currently chew about 5 cans a day very large dips 2 dips per can. From what I read that's a lot of nicotine equal to about 2 1/2 cartons of cigarettes per day. So should I quit cold turkey or wean a little?

I "weened" for like a year before. Didn't work.

If you're here, it's cold turkey. There is no gray area. Either your quit or you're not.

If you really want to quit...grab your sack, man up, throw all your dip down the toilet and be quit.

If you are going to talk tough about quitting only to cave when the cravings get to you and then ask about "weening" then maybe you need to play with dolls some place else.

Time to man up, bub.

[medic401]

Getting ready to quit, I went 14 hours today without, until I started feeling like my face was separated from my body, tingling, numb just a very strange feeling, it was like I was high or something. I currently chew about 5 cans a day very large dips 2 dips per can. From what I read that's a lot of nicotine equal to about 2 1/2 cartons of cigarettes per day. So should I quit cold turkey or wean a little?