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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2020, 03:52:48 PM »
How many quitters did you take to the HOF in your quit group?
July 2015 Jackals, we took 44 into HOF
31 remained after HOF
21 up to 500
12 at 1500+
Going into 5 years soon we have 4 solid every day posters (many more still quit).
I wish it was more seeing a lot of several year quitters come back at a day 1.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2020, 03:26:00 PM »
How many quitters did you take to the HOF in your quit group?
July 2015 Jackals, we took 44 into HOF
31 remained after HOF
21 up to 500
12 at 1500+
Going into 5 years soon we have 4 solid every day posters (many more still quit).
I wish it was more seeing a lot of several year quitters come back at a day 1.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2020, 02:35:34 PM »
How many quitters did you take to the HOF in your quit group?
July 2015 Jackals, we took 44 into HOF
31 remained after HOF
21 up to 500
12 at 1500+
Going into 5 years soon we have 4 solid every day posters (many more still quit).
I wish it was more seeing a lot of several year quitters come back at a day 1.
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2020, 07:19:53 PM »
Hey everyone,

Day 2 for me is almost finished.  This isn't the first time I've tried to quit but I'm confident it will be my last. 

A little backstory, last weekend the woman I've been dating for the last 5 years decided we should break up for the time being so we can focus on ourselves - something we have not taken the time to do in years.  Long story short, I was (and still am) completely devastated and spent the first week after we broke up in my bed dipping almost 2 cans a day and drinking a bottle of whiskey (beer in the morning).  On Sunday I looked back at my week of utter sadness and realized I no longer liked or respected the person I've become and I knew I do need to do something for myself.  It was at this point I put down a list of goals - running after work, eating healthy, etc... Then I realized I needed to kill the can.  It was a sad realization at first but I know I need to do it - for myself. In a couple months this woman and I could be back together (I hope we can work it out), or not - But at least I wont be held at gunpoint by this addiction anymore.

I'm going to take this one day at a time but I know that I can succeed.  My 100th day would be June 16th 2020 - 6 days before my birthday - what a birthday present to myself.

Thanks for the support... I know I am going to need it.

Good luck, Tommy! Your KTC brothers and sisters are here to help you each step of the way. You're making great choices in looking after you for the future - the rest will follow, you can be sure of that! ;)
Good luck and stay strong, Your main focus is to stay quit one day at a time,  Trust me it does get easier

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2020, 04:17:01 PM »
How many quitters did you take to the HOF in your quit group?

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2020, 11:48:10 AM »
Now, more than ever, community will be important...

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2020, 01:21:58 PM »
Hey everyone,

Day 2 for me is almost finished.  This isn't the first time I've tried to quit but I'm confident it will be my last. 

A little backstory, last weekend the woman I've been dating for the last 5 years decided we should break up for the time being so we can focus on ourselves - something we have not taken the time to do in years.  Long story short, I was (and still am) completely devastated and spent the first week after we broke up in my bed dipping almost 2 cans a day and drinking a bottle of whiskey (beer in the morning).  On Sunday I looked back at my week of utter sadness and realized I no longer liked or respected the person I've become and I knew I do need to do something for myself.  It was at this point I put down a list of goals - running after work, eating healthy, etc... Then I realized I needed to kill the can.  It was a sad realization at first but I know I need to do it - for myself. In a couple months this woman and I could be back together (I hope we can work it out), or not - But at least I wont be held at gunpoint by this addiction anymore.

I'm going to take this one day at a time but I know that I can succeed.  My 100th day would be June 16th 2020 - 6 days before my birthday - what a birthday present to myself.

Thanks for the support... I know I am going to need it.

Good luck, Tommy! Your KTC brothers and sisters are here to help you each step of the way. You're making great choices in looking after you for the future - the rest will follow, you can be sure of that! ;)

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #75 on: March 10, 2020, 08:20:31 PM »
Hey everyone,

Day 2 for me is almost finished.  This isn't the first time I've tried to quit but I'm confident it will be my last. 

A little backstory, last weekend the woman I've been dating for the last 5 years decided we should break up for the time being so we can focus on ourselves - something we have not taken the time to do in years.  Long story short, I was (and still am) completely devastated and spent the first week after we broke up in my bed dipping almost 2 cans a day and drinking a bottle of whiskey (beer in the morning).  On Sunday I looked back at my week of utter sadness and realized I no longer liked or respected the person I've become and I knew I do need to do something for myself.  It was at this point I put down a list of goals - running after work, eating healthy, etc... Then I realized I needed to kill the can.  It was a sad realization at first but I know I need to do it - for myself. In a couple months this woman and I could be back together (I hope we can work it out), or not - But at least I wont be held at gunpoint by this addiction anymore.

I'm going to take this one day at a time but I know that I can succeed.  My 100th day would be June 16th 2020 - 6 days before my birthday - what a birthday present to myself.

Thanks for the support... I know I am going to need it.

Welcome to the Quit, Tommy1. First thing, though, are you posting roll using a different name, or did I just just overlook your post on today's Roll Call? Brother, if you haven't posted roll, hit that shit hard and early each day. Make your promise early, and stick to it.

It sounds as though you've been through a shitstorm. Killing the can is a good step toward rising from the ashes. ODAAT, dude. One day at a time, and remember, you're not in this alone. One thing I've been super impressed with regarding this site and this group is the outstanding way quitters support one another. I've been contacted by no fewer than seven newbie and veteran quitters in the last 12 days. It's an awesome support system if you allow it to be, and more importantly, if you WANT it to be. You say in your post that you know you "need" to quit. Knowing you "need" to quit isn't enough; hell, we all know we need to do a bunch of shit, I'm sure. You've got to WANT to quit. I'm not stupid. I knew I needed to quit; I never wanted to quit before 13 days ago, though. That's the key, brother. You've got to WANT that shit!

I'll be hitting you up in a private message to send you my digits. I'm only 12 days in, but I'm fucking 12 DAYS IN. That's 12 days I never thought I'd accomplish. You can do this.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #74 on: March 10, 2020, 06:34:03 PM »
Hey everyone,

Day 2 for me is almost finished.  This isn't the first time I've tried to quit but I'm confident it will be my last. 

A little backstory, last weekend the woman I've been dating for the last 5 years decided we should break up for the time being so we can focus on ourselves - something we have not taken the time to do in years.  Long story short, I was (and still am) completely devastated and spent the first week after we broke up in my bed dipping almost 2 cans a day and drinking a bottle of whiskey (beer in the morning).  On Sunday I looked back at my week of utter sadness and realized I no longer liked or respected the person I've become and I knew I do need to do something for myself.  It was at this point I put down a list of goals - running after work, eating healthy, etc... Then I realized I needed to kill the can.  It was a sad realization at first but I know I need to do it - for myself. In a couple months this woman and I could be back together (I hope we can work it out), or not - But at least I wont be held at gunpoint by this addiction anymore.

I'm going to take this one day at a time but I know that I can succeed.  My 100th day would be June 16th 2020 - 6 days before my birthday - what a birthday present to myself.

Thanks for the support... I know I am going to need it.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2020, 10:03:29 AM »
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2020, 12:30:59 PM »
Hey guys - 20 year dipper, 67 day quitter here. I'll be honest, this quit has gone better than I expected.  Not without it's moment, I've had enough "oh shit" moments with various symptoms to drive me to the loony bin. But I've been to the dentist and I've been to my doctor,  everything checks out thank god. But keep nic out has thankfully been easier than I expected.
That said, I've been pretty reliant on the fake stuff.  Teaza, smokey Mountain pouches,  grinds, you name it. Frankly, I'm realizing I'm still addicted to having some sort of pouch in my mouth.
So, my ask for the experts: when is the best time to tackle that part of the addiction,  and what tools have worked for others?
@Nyles33 You are addicted to nicotine. I am addicted to nicotine. Every one here is an addict to nicotine. That is why were are here to fight this battle ODAAT.

I would argue you aren't 'addicted' to having a pouch in your mouth. The oral fixation aspect that accompanied your nicotine addiction is still strong though. That's ok. Keep using the fake pouches or products just make absolutely sure they don't have nicotine in them. Some products out there advertise no tobacco but still contain nicotine. If you stick with Teaza, Smokey Mountain, Grinds, Jakes or Baccoff - all those are completely fine and the most popular.

I was a avid fake dip user well beyond 100 days. For me (and I've heard the same from others), you will one day just realize you don't need or even want something in your mouth taking up space and your fake use will slow way down. I'm 1,412 days in and I still occasionally use it as a tool during times like hunting, mowing the lawn or playing softball.

Bottom line - don't stress too much about stopping your use of the fake products. Focus on your quit right now and in due time, you will find you don't need to rely so hard on the fake stuff.
Yep I used SmokeyMtn until around day 220, then just didnt do it anymore.... I still pop in a stick of gum if my jaw is feeling frisky every once in awhile but 67 days,.... shit man I was using fake alot then yet.  Trust the process.  See what happens in a couple months from now.
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2020, 10:28:20 AM »
Hey guys - 20 year dipper, 67 day quitter here. I'll be honest, this quit has gone better than I expected.  Not without it's moment, I've had enough "oh shit" moments with various symptoms to drive me to the loony bin. But I've been to the dentist and I've been to my doctor,  everything checks out thank god. But keep nic out has thankfully been easier than I expected.
That said, I've been pretty reliant on the fake stuff.  Teaza, smokey Mountain pouches,  grinds, you name it. Frankly, I'm realizing I'm still addicted to having some sort of pouch in my mouth.
So, my ask for the experts: when is the best time to tackle that part of the addiction,  and what tools have worked for others?
@Nyles33 You are addicted to nicotine. I am addicted to nicotine. Every one here is an addict to nicotine. That is why were are here to fight this battle ODAAT.

I would argue you aren't 'addicted' to having a pouch in your mouth. The oral fixation aspect that accompanied your nicotine addiction is still strong though. That's ok. Keep using the fake pouches or products just make absolutely sure they don't have nicotine in them. Some products out there advertise no tobacco but still contain nicotine. If you stick with Teaza, Smokey Mountain, Grinds, Jakes or Baccoff - all those are completely fine and the most popular.

I was a avid fake dip user well beyond 100 days. For me (and I've heard the same from others), you will one day just realize you don't need or even want something in your mouth taking up space and your fake use will slow way down. I'm 1,412 days in and I still occasionally use it as a tool during times like hunting, mowing the lawn or playing softball.

Bottom line - don't stress too much about stopping your use of the fake products. Focus on your quit right now and in due time, you will find you don't need to rely so hard on the fake stuff.
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8th FL: 07.03.18 | 9th FL: 10.11.18 | Comma: 01.19.19 | 11th FL: 04.29.19 | 12th FL: 08.07.19 | 13th FL: 11.15.19 | 14th FL: 02.23.20 |
15th FL: 06.02.20 | 16th FL: 09.10.20 | 17th FL: 12.19.20 | 18th FL: 03.29.21 | 19th FL: 07.07.21 | Comma 2x: 10.15.21 | 21st FL: 01.23.22 |
22nd FL: 05.03.22 | 23rd FL: 08.11.22 | 24th FL: 11.19.22 | 25th FL: 02.27.23 | 26th FL: 06.07.23 | 27th FL: 09.15.23 | 28th FL: 12.24.23 |

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2020, 07:35:07 AM »
Hey guys - 20 year dipper, 67 day quitter here. I'll be honest, this quit has gone better than I expected.  Not without it's moment, I've had enough "oh shit" moments with various symptoms to drive me to the loony bin. But I've been to the dentist and I've been to my doctor,  everything checks out thank god. But keep nic out has thankfully been easier than I expected.
That said, I've been pretty reliant on the fake stuff.  Teaza, smokey Mountain pouches,  grinds, you name it. Frankly, I'm realizing I'm still addicted to having some sort of pouch in my mouth.
So, my ask for the experts: when is the best time to tackle that part of the addiction,  and what tools have worked for others?

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Calling All Pineapple Buttholes
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2020, 09:49:28 AM »
Good morning, fellow PBs!

It's cool that we have a name now! We're more than just the June 2020 Quit Group; we're the Pineapple Buttholes!

I gotta ask; what the hell is a pineapple butthole (besides us)? It's all good, though. I've been called a LOT worse, and I'm proud to be called a Quitter.

I'm proud to be Quit with each of you. I've already connected with a few people in our group; it's an awesome way to support one another through this process. If you'd like to connect, you can reach me at (xxx)-xxx-xxxx. (Please only share digits via the PM tool!) My name is Matthew, and today is my 7 day quit milestone. It's not the greatest day, though. I'm having one of those "can't seem to concentrate on a damn thing" kind of mornings, which was preceded by one of those "can't sleep for shit" nights. I know, however, that this, too, shall pass.

I know this because I believe in myself. I believe my Want to Quit is stronger than my want to dip. I know this because I know I'm not alone in this. I know God's got me, and so do y'all. So, time to cowboy the hell up and kick nicotine's ass one more day.

Pineapple Buttholes, it's time to kick the tires and light the fires! Not today, Demon Nicotine! Not today!

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Re: My Mind's Playin' Tricks on Me
« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2020, 12:07:22 PM »
If what everyone says is accurate, here at Day 5 the nicotine should be out of my system, so physically the worst of the withdrawal symptoms should be over, right?

Well, I'm having some weird thoughts. One thing I keep thinking about is Kodiak Wintergreen. Here's why that's fucked up. I HATED Kodiak Wintergreen dip, any wintergreen dip as a matter of fact. Kodiak, especially, though, because I gave me a headache any time I tried it.

Now, though, it's like I'm damn near fantasizing about it. WTF?

Oh, well. I'm gonna ride this train all the way, so weird thoughts or not, I'm in it to win it. Here's to Day 5 - a new record for me!

Matthew, aka GS9502

You are correct the nicotine is now out of your system.  But I would caution you to not put any expectations on when things like physical withdrawals will get "easier" to deal with.  From what I understand it is different for everyone.  Just keep holding the line and quitting ODAAT.  Putting expectations on when certain symptoms should be over will just set you up for disappointment.  It will get better down the line if that helps keep you motivated.
Tackle each day of quitting just as you would any aspect of life.  When you walk out the door each morning, you have no idea what will happen - car accident, find a 20 dollar bill, see 2 squirrels fucking outside your office window.  who knows.. you get the idea.

Each day will have either cravings (physical challenge), mind fucks (mental challenge), feeling of happiness as if you got this licked.... but you can get through it all without nicotine.  How do you know what will happen tomorow?  You don't.  ODAAT, and soon it will be where you want to go.  But only in small steps to start.

Quit on brother, 1,129 quit with you today
Couldn't have said it better myself. Wise words right there^
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8th FL: 07.03.18 | 9th FL: 10.11.18 | Comma: 01.19.19 | 11th FL: 04.29.19 | 12th FL: 08.07.19 | 13th FL: 11.15.19 | 14th FL: 02.23.20 |
15th FL: 06.02.20 | 16th FL: 09.10.20 | 17th FL: 12.19.20 | 18th FL: 03.29.21 | 19th FL: 07.07.21 | Comma 2x: 10.15.21 | 21st FL: 01.23.22 |
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