If anyone out there is worried about trading addictions, and getting hooked on fake dip, seeds, knitting, cheeseburgers, butt plugs...whatever it is that you need to keep your promise and make another first thing the next morning...I got good news! After you have been quit a while, you can go to other sites like Killthefakedip.com, and stoppingknittingbeforeitkillsyou.com to help you with your new addiction. Oh wait...there are no sites like that...because there are no people with those issues. Sites like that don't exist because guys like me (day 1900 or so) don't have problems quitting seeds and fake dip. Hell, I didn't use fake until I hit a crave superhighway around day 20. From then on I used fake like a madman for...I have no idea how long. I also have no idea when I stopped using it. <---think about that last sentence. Can you imagine yourself a few months ago suddenly waking up and realizing that hadn't had a dip or used nicotine in months...and you hadn't even been trying to quit? Of course not. But this was my experience with fake dip (and ground ginger). Seriously, this is just not possible with nicotine. Because nicotine and seeds aren't the same. Nicotine and fake dip aren't the same. They ain't even in the same ballpark. (https://youtu.be/KCO-SBPTF5E) No matter how much you use them.
Still worried about getting "addicted" to seeds or fake or whatever? Ask any 1,989 day vet if they have developed a problem with fake, or toothpicks, etc. Hell, the beer's on me if you can even find a comma+ vet that has even HEARD of anyone with "fake dip problem." Chances are, you'll be lucky to find a old vet that can even remember the last time they used fake dip. Would I leave my family on Chistmas Eve and drive through a snowstorm looking for my fresh can of mint leaves if I was out? Oh hell no. Would I have made that drive 1900 days ago for a fresh can of Copenhagan?.....you know the answer.
Don't confuse the issue. Nicotine is the issue.
Just had something pop up as a "memory" on Facebook. Three years ago, to this day, my house caught on fire.
The fact I'd hit HOF on the day our house burned down never clicked.
Nobody was home at the time, and it was a beautiful day so even all the animals were outside. My wife called to tell me that a neighbor had called her on her cell phone to tell us our house was on fire. I messaged my boss at work, jumped in the car and headed home...
... and then stopped. To buy a can. Because I was almost out.
When I look back on my life, that's one of the most shameful, lowest points. In a way, though, it was a blessing, because that event - that one stop - is really when I started thinking that I didn't just have a habit. It really gnawed at me that I was that dependent on chew. That I would literally let everything else burn in order to get my dip.
I came back to that often in the past 100 days, especially when I was feeling crappy and distracted.
Romans 8:28 says "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
I've got a new house now. Losing that place was an unbelievable blessing, in so, so many ways... and whenever I come home, now, I have a tangible reminder of that day when I hit bottom, and why I never want to go back to being that guy.
Quote from: Bullridingaddict559Bullridingaddict559- day 15 starting to put it out of my mindWhat's the hurry? I still think about my addiction every day and I'm damn glad I do. I consciously make an effort every single day to confront my addiction head-on and overwhelm that addiction with brute force.
WORD OF WARNING: You do not "beat" your addiction by putting it out of your mind. You cannot "forget" that you were addicted and somehow go about your "normal" life pretending that it was never a part of you. If you are trying to forget your addiction, you are on the path to failure. You will soon forget how bad day 1 was, how enslaved you were to the worm dirt, how you traded family time for dipping time, how you willingly tried to slowly kill yourself. Don't forget those things. Those are the core of your motivation to quit one day at a time.
Each of you is a nicotine addict. Your addict brain will never "forget" that it was addicted to nicotine. It will lie in wait and on your ninth beer at a wedding reception five years from now, you will allow yourself to think "I'm not addicted any more. Just one dip won't hurt." Do NOT let yourself slip into this mindset.
Quote from: GeraltI'm not sure where the logic of 100 days being considered as Hall of Fame in this awesome site, but I was assuming something about it and I may be partly right?? I sometimes watch the reality TV show Intervention and I think the minimum time they treat an addict is 3 months. I also just googled how long treatments can be for addictions and research shows that treatment can take a minimum of 90 days.I find it interesting that research seems to indicate that it takes two months or more (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-clear/forming-new-habits_b_5104807.html) to develop a new habit.
Therefore I conclude that once we reach 100 days we earn the title of Hall of Famer because we not only stayed sober or quit for that many days but because we surpassed the minimum # of recovery days recommended for addicts a.k.a substance abusers.
In the past three months, I have not killed my nicotine addiction. I never will. However, I have done my best to develop the habit of quitting.
WUPP, EDD. Habit.
Texting brothers and sisters every day. Habit.
Checking to make sure everyone I support in other groups has posted. Habit.
Sharing my struggles in texts and on the forums. Habit.
Jumping on the forum every 2.6 seconds. Habit. (Though I should probably back off on this one a bit...)
So I think there's actually two components here. One is logging a minimum number of recovery days. The other is logging the minimum number of days needed to develop the habits that will help keep you quit.
Note - both are minimums, and working on developing good "KTC habits" over your first 100 days will end up ensuring that you stick around and get a whole lot more than the minimum number of recovery days.
| The Mall Walking Thread from April's GroupMe | |
| Samrs | Walking at the frickin' mall like some AARP wannabe |
| Nick | @Samrs do you have bright white shoes on? |
| Samrs | Black and gold trail runners, @Nick |
| Harvest | @Samrs please tell me you're wearing a track suit and fanny pack. |
| Samrs | @Harvest I lack the sense of style to even pull that off |
| Samrs | It's weird. I'm getting these confrontational looks from the septuagenarian contingent. |
| Harvest | Turf wars. |
| Harvest | You're mall walking but obviously not taking it seriously because you're on your phone like a "one of those kids". ? |
| Samrs | "Yo bitch! This be Mall Walker turf. Respect the grey or we gonna hafts cut you!" |
| Harvest | Make it a game @Samrs. F |
| Harvest | Flirt with the old ladies |
| Harvest | Or see how many you can out pace |
| Samrs | I've been using voice recognition... you should see some of the looks. "We DO NOT TALK!" |
| Nick | @Samrs , first stop at Foot Locker and pick up yourself a nice bright white pair of New Balance shoes. Second, tell them bitches to back the fuck off or your going to cut them with your plastic butter knife you stole from the food court |
| Harvest | Use a different accent each time you pass a group |
| Harvest | Or at least stop at buy a visor |
| Batdad | Walk in front of them. Then slow down. Then pass them again. Like they do on the interstate |
| Samrs | I'm just thankful I haven't seen anybody I know. When you go mall walking and recognize people, then you know you're old. |
| Harvest | Merge and take out the front quarter panel.....of their walker? |
| Batdad | For the love of god! Don't use your turn signal ?? |
| Harvest | Then glare at them like it's their fault |
| Samrs | @Batdad I'm not messing with any of them. A couple of them are walking with white strap all over their body. We could probably snap me like a twig without breaking a sweat |
| Harvest | Or just keep it on continuously and slow down at every exit....store entrance? |
| Samrs | Not white, weights... that's what I get for whispering so I don't attract their attention! |
| Batdad | I feel like @Harvest and I have some anger issues towards elderly drivers |
| Batdad | I was wondering what the white stripe was. Maybe a gang thing? |
| Harvest | "Middle aged mall walker gets mobbed today at local mall by group of elderly walking enthusiasts. Witnesses say that the victim was attempted to be strangled by a white sweatband and beaten with 2lb ankle weights. Responding emergency services stated that upon arrival the victim was screaming into his phone "I DIE FREE FROM THE NIC BITCH! YOU CAN'T TAKE THST AWAY FROM ME!" Full coverage and updates at 6pm. |
| Batdad | Epic!! |
| Samrs | Thank you guys for making this bearable. The little old ladies jump and scowl when you burst out laughing, btw |
| Harvest | They're like little terriers |
| Harvest | All nervous and full of bark |
| Harvest | Skittish |
| Harvest | So this whole thing reminds me of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uND9Fuj3Vw) |
| Samrs | I am laughing so hard... they are going to call the mall cop on me, I know it |
I see his point
I was going to leave too
Right after my June 2016 group finished boarding the train.
Then there were a few guys in July
that I wanted to stick around and celebrate with.
I had to conduct August onto the train.
Oh, September has a few bad ass quitters.
I had to celebrate with them.
I am leaving though
Right after the celebrations are over.
Been thinking a lot about this whole "it gets better" voodoo that we all parrot over and over. I know I didn't really believe it when I was just past the hall and trudging through the motions trying like hell to stay clean and watching my group lose quitters. Always lead me to think - if it is OK for them, why not me?
I remember another thing I did in these types of situations. Go find some "active", crusty old vet - I'd suggest a guy like Hydro because he is quit friggen YODA - shoot him a pm. Ask him questions about what it is like now. Find these 6, 7, 8 year quitters who are still here every day - though not overly active - and ask them. Don't take my word for it. Ask them what it is like. Ask them if it was all worth it. There HAS to be a reason guys like Hydro and others still post roll like it is their job. We are all pretty busy guys with professional lives and work responsibilities, with families and probably have FAR better things to do than troll internet forums for nic addicts. Yet here we all are - in the same boat.
I bet you'll hear the same story over and over. Take it on faith that shit gets so much fucking better you can't possibly imagine. I sure as shit didn't until one day, I realized it had. I challenge you all to keep the focus on TODAY - every day and everything will get worked out in time. Get rid of the thoughts of "by now, I should feel ______" because I can promise you those expectations will lead to let down. Instead, try "Today I will not use nicotine" and go live your life without thinking about where you think you ought to be at this point. You are exactly where you all should be. There is a reason I hate the hall...sure it is a bad ass benchmark but after that, it is just another +1. My worst days were AFTER the hall. My best days were ahead of me - I just didn't believe it.
Keep the faith brothers. You are all killing it - and winning - it just doesn't feel like it most days. I promise that changes.
'usflag' 'usflag' The Declaration of Nicotine Independence by TGAfish 'usflag' 'usflag'
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands which have connected them with addiction, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, websites are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of addiction becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new freedoms, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that relationships long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off that bitch, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these KTC'ers; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former self abuses. The history of the present Nic Bitch is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these Brothers. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
She has refused us freedom, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
She has forbidden us to enjoy times with our families
She has refused to pass us the ability to not look like a loser with a cat turd in our mouth
She has called together legions of marketing companies to tell how how hot she is
She has dissolved our self esteem
She has refused for a long time our cries to get her fucking claws out of us
She has endeavoured to prevent blessed freedom
She has obstructed our visits to doctors and dentists
She has made our brotherhood dependent onher Willl alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
She has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
She has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
She has affected to render the Military dependant on her of and superior to the Civil power.
She has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving Her Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed marketers among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off pieces of our friends wrecked with cancer:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of not spilling a disgusting spit cup:
For transporting us beyond Seas fully packed with her poison for fear of not finding her on other shores
For abolishing the free System of driving anywhere without having to stop at a c store
For taking away our dignity, abolishing our most valuable relationships, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Freedom:
For suspending our own integrity, and declaring herself invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
She has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of her Protection and waging War against us.
She has plundered our bodies, ravaged our health, burnt our pride, and destroyed the lives of our people.
She is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized organization.
She has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their brothers, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
She has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless marketers, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Woman whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our addicted brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by the bitch to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our decision to be done with slavery. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of those who choose freedom from the use of nicotine, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of KTC, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Brothers are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent ; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Nic whore, and that all financial and mental connection between them and the fucking whore, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent Brothers, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent Brotherhood may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
If I've learned anything from this website, we quit for ourselves but our strength to continue comes from helping each other.
There is no way to make right what you did but you can only grow from here. Don't ever be that person again. Be strong and be true. That's all we ask. We don't need to be an avatar of ourselves. We just have to be us. In the end, that's all that's keeping us quit. Make it right man.
We're always here.
And fuck you for lying to me.
Saddle up sugarbritches. You can do this.
We all walk this same path today. Some of us have just walked it before.
Fading gets a lot of people man. Quitting isn't a sprint to quit the bestest out of the gate. It's a day in, day out marathon. Ain't one of us "quit forever" until we're 6 feet under the ground.
Quote from: RubyredI hate tobacco and nic. In a fog and depressed. I've been sad but depressed is new for me.I hit something very similar about a month back... let's see.. yep, here it is. (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11894048&t=30106725)
That was close to the end of a week where I was just generally down. I think I was fighting something off, physically as well. Just a head cold or something, but the two together (being down, feeling blick) was a one-two punch. I didn't want to get up, didn't want to go to work, didn't want to go for my daily walks, didn't want to eat.
I didn't want to make the bed in the morning. That sounds stupid, maybe, but I always make the bed. I joke that even if I get nothing else done every day, I know that I at least got one thing done. My wife just thought I was just a bit down, until I left the bed unmade a couple of mornings. THAT got her attention... that's when I realized I wasn't just feeling poorly, there was something wonky in my brain.
It all came to a head in the crave I described in that post. It seemed out of nowhere at the time, but looking back, it's easy to see that it was building. No way I was going to feed my addiction, but it was a rough week or so until I worked my way out of it.
And when I say I worked my way out of it... I mean that. I intentionally blocked out time during the day for my walks. I got my wife and girls on board to badger me about sitting down and working on some projects in the evening, for at least an hour. Even though I really, really, really didn't want to, I made myself go to church early and stay around afterwards, so I would have to interact with people. I made myself do little things that I could look at and think, "Yeah, I made some progress today."
Give that a try, see if it helps. Find a few small tasks you can bang out each day, and set some times to do them. Get moving a bit, even if it's just taking a walk. Get around some people that you know an like, and spend a little time with them. If that doesn't help and this seems to persist, or get worse, see a doctor - clinical depression is nothing to fool around with. I'm pretty confident that a week or so from now, though, you'll be feeling a heck of a lot better than you are today.
Some thoughts on building relationships:
I think I've been here long enough and been involved enough to see some trends here. Everybody stresses the importance of getting phone numbers but never really tells you what to do with those numbers. I text 37 quitters my promise every day. Of those, I get into other conversations with maybe 20 of them from time to time. Of those, I get into deeper conversations with 10-12 of them at least weekly. Of those, there are 6 that I would feel comfortable calling at any hour of the day/night, and 2 that I have done that with. Those relationships keep me quit. It's easy to make a promise to a bunch of nameless, faceless strangers that are a little difficult to imagine as actually existing in real life. When you text your promise to somebody that you've shared life challenges with, somebody that you've seen pics of and pics of their family, and know what they go through on a regular basis, you're telling a friend that you won't dip that day. We aren't trading numbers just to enhance our rolodex. We should be building relationships with these people so when you need them, you won't be apprehensive about calling them.
I was on my second week of quit, around day 12. I had been out to dinner with a lady friend and was driving home. I stopped at a gas station for a Dr.Pepper, and when I went to the counter, I also bought a can. It was muscle memory. I opened the can and smelled it. It was absolutely divine, but I had given my promise and I had relationships made. I felt I needed to announce my intentions so I could keep my word as a man. I texted Casus Belli. What made me pick him, I have no idea. He wasn't even in my group. He was August, but he reached out to me early in my quit and he was one of my few numbers. I was on the verge. I had bought a can, opened a can, and smelled that shit. There were only two more steps to take, and I'd be a caver AGAIN, posting a new day 1. What Casus did after I texted him saved my quit. He didn't text back. He freaking CALLED me. And he talked to me for probably 15 minutes about the chemicals in dip, his story, hell I can't remember what all he talked to me about. But in that time, I decided to walk to the toilet and dump this brand new can of cancer that I had just paid $5 for not 30 minutes earlier. His actions were a result of our relationship, and that saved my quit.
Fast forward to day 77. At this point in my quit, I felt like I had things whipped pretty good. One day, I went to the gas station on my lunch break at work to grab a drink and a burger from the fry cook. As soon as I pulled in the lot, I felt a deep crave out of nowhere. I was right on the verge of going in and buying a can. Once again, I had made my promise early and I had relationships. I texted a brother, then I realized text is too slow, probably exactly what Casus realized that day 2 months earlier. I decided to call Phuctup. He answered, and I kept him on the phone the whole time I was in the store. If I had him on the line, I couldn't very well order a can of dip without him coming to Texas and kicking me in the nuts. Relationships...
Develop these relationships guys. I just posted a 145 day promise, and I could easily have a crave so solid that I need to make a call. I have multiple people that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the phone and do that with. I have people that I really want to meet and I would drive hours to do so. I have made friends here. If anybody here needs digits, mine are a PM away, but I'll want yours too, and a daily text promise at a minimum. The people that don't have those relationships are much more likely to cave on the site. This is no joke and it's life and death. Don't you think you should do everything you can to stay quit?
There are two types of quitters on KTC. Those who post every damn day no matter what. They could survive a plane crash 50 miles from Nome Alaska and would kill a polar bear with a pocket knife, write their days quit on ice with its blood, snap a pic with there cell phone and text it to Drome. Then there are those who always have an excuse not to post or to post late.
No running water or electricity in case some of ya have to know... Take care and good luck on your QUIT.I am constantly surprised at the number of people who come here, sign up for accountability, and then... get pissed off when people try to hold them accountable.
Mines going better than expected and I will not fail,
You just keep being you, man.
This place needs those who can encourage and forgive.
It needs hard-asses.
It needs people who are dead serious.
It needs a whole passel of clowns.
It needs saints and sinners and everything in between.
(And sometimes, the same guy will be all that and more in the space of an hour...)
Be who you are; but keep in mind that a lot of people here are - for the first time ever - finding out who they really are.
I am going to take this message, have it cast it bronze, framed, and lit up 24/7.Quote from: TyrsmanHey guys. Yeah surgery went well. I'm in an incredible amount of pain. I've got a blood drain in my back that regularly fills a blood bag. Can't roll over onto one side over another. Miss my boy like crazy, but my folks are watching him. Amy's the best thing about this procedure so far. Tough as nails. She keeps my ass moving down the hallway. And before you know it, I'll be back to work. Thanks for your thoughts, prayers, and support.Quote from: GregorIt’s a good thing you can’t post pictures on here.Quote from: gottadoitMike,I sure could use some of those pain meds in order to improve my KTC posting.
See you lurking down there. What in tarnation are you doing back online so soon after your surgery? Figured you'd still be all loopy on pain meds. 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy'
Wait....that might be an improvement...let's see some 'under the influence' posting from you!!
That's the accountability, man.Quote from: DTJDI am so very frustrated with some of our group. I would hope everyone can look in the mirror and figure out what they are wanting from their quit. I will not call anyone out. We should post our promise in the morning when we wake up. I am not interested in a status update telling me you are still Quit. You can do that elsewhere. I truly want everyone of you here. I am proud to quit with each of you. Here is the problem. I see some cruising in here when ever the hell they feel like it. Wake the fuck up and post. I am sorry to be such an ass but it is unacceptable. We have people missing 2 days in a row a rolling in giving the rest of us a freaking number by their name. Where the hell have you been. Why are you better than the rest of us that you can't take 1 flipping minute to post roll or send a damn text to one of us that you know will get your promise on the board. Commit to this group or get out I am quit with quitters, not status updates.Only thing I want is not too dip. Already made my mind up there it won't happen end of my story. Oh yeah I'm better cause I fucking said so. Sorry but I don't commit to groups I hate everything online social, I have enjoyed being a part is this group and to knowing that we all quit together. I spread word and tell people about it. But just saying I do nothing by anyone else's standard so if that's a requirement I'm out. If me being quit and getting in here when I can isn't good enough then I guess that just makes me not good enough and I don't need to be a part of this Superior Group
It takes a lot of quit for your brain to get its shit together. This study (https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/89/8/572/2526887) surveyed people who had quit smoking, and reinterviewed them a year or two later to see how they were doing. For people who had been quit less than 3 months at the time of the first interview, only ~18% were still quit (without having caved in the meantime). Once they looked at people who had been quit for 3-6 months (note that 3 months is pretty damn close to 100 days, i.e., HOF here), the chances of them not having caved went up to 50%. It's not until you get to the people that had already been quit for 3+ years that the chances of staying nic-free until the next interview passed 90%. So if you think you don't need this place anymore after 20 days, or 100 days, or 365 days, well... the science disagrees.
I read that same study (along with a few others) about a month ago. The whole brain chemistry part of the addiction is really fascinating to me. One of the other studies I read had similar results to this one but took it a few steps further when it came to tracking the participants. That study indicated that the long term success rate increased dramatically for smokers that had managed to quit for at least 4 months. There wasn't much of a statistical difference between 4 months and 6 months and then there was a small increase in long term success rates for those that made it to a year. That study also indicated that 3 years was a magical number. The one thing I took out of all of those studies that I read is that the long term success rate for beating the nicotine addiction is pretty low, especially on your first attempt.
... and another note, for you all, on account of Dejvis.
Some of you may be looking at this, and thinking, "Wow. These guys are being waaay hard on the poor guy! He just slipped up!"
No. He didn't "slip up".
He made a promise, and then he broke his promise.
He lied.
That's a hell of a lot worse than a "slip up".
Have you ever had someone lie to you, repeatedly? Tell you something untrue, over and over again?
If you think you haven't... go look in a mirror.
"After this can, I am done."
"I'll quit tomorrow!"
"... next week."
"... next month."
"... next anniversary."
"... when the baby is born."
Does any of that sound familiar?
THAT is why we are hard on cavers.
THAT is why we hold their feet to the fire.
Because if we pat them on the back, and say, "That's OK..."
... we are telling ourselves that if we use, there aren't any consequences.
That it's OK to break that promise.
That it's OK to go back to lying - to our family, to our brothers, to ourselves.
THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
There is NO excuse for going back on that promise.
There is NO excuse for lying.
If you allow any excuse - any at all - you are saying that it is OK to go back to being the person that you were, the liar that deceived everyone - including yourself - about your addiction.
And once you open the door to lying again, you open the door to using again.
Don't let yourself fall into that trap.
Make your promise. Honor your word. Support your brothers.
That last means, "Don't let them get away with lying to themselves."
Look down below this, at the first line in my signature. Read it and understand.Quote from: drstoberWe have so much experience here in lying to ourselves and others, that it takes a strong voice to snap ourselves out of it... Be thankful that all these people are willing to be invested in you saving your life.
Quote from: jedi1991Hi. Did anyone else notice their desire for booze increasing at a disturbing rate after quitting dip? If so, pm me. I think I may need some support.Yes. Addictions can be substituted quite easily. When I was quitting dip, I would frequently have insane cravings that weren't real cravings for nicotine. When I stopped for a moment I could recognize that I was actually just hungry, or thirsty, or tired, etc.
In my experience, all of us addicts, whether alcoholics, or nicotine addicts, or sex addicts, or gambling addicts are all chasing a fix of dopamine. We want to light up the reward centers in our brain via shortcut....shortcuts are generally not going to provide the contentment that we are really after.
Sooooo, what are some things to do to combat this? One thing, which you're doing (well done!), is ask for help and establish a support system. Having a therapist or counselor can be hugely helpful. A couple of other things that really helped me included:
-admitting I had an unhealthy relationship with dopamine inducing activities. That does not mean you are weak or are lacking in will power. You are just wired differently. That is OK! Seriously.
-hitting the gym, it is never too late to add some muscle and cut some fat. I'm stronger and more fit now at 40 than I was as a college football player. I highly recommend the "starting strength" app to start slow and track your progress. Spoiler alert: it works.
-Check your nutrition. Are you eating a lot of sugar and/or processed foods? Are you staying hydrated? Eating simple carbs can cause insulin spikes with resultant sugar highs and crashes that do NOT help one trying to abstain from a substance. Eat more leafy greens and cruciferous veggies. Most of us are also chronically dehydrated. Keep your brain nice and moist, it functions better.
-Many folks seeking easy hits of dopamine are lacking appropriate levels of serotonin. Serotonin makes us feel content instead of the happy euphoria of dopamine. Contentment feels better. Try grabbing a couple of supplements that might help with boosting serotonin including magnesium and 5-HTP. (As always, consult your doctor before starting any supplements.)
-Meditation is awesome. It may sound new-agey or make your eyes roll thinking about it, but being mindful and quieting your mind feels incredible. Like any new habit you hope to establish, start slow. Even 1 minute a day will help. I recommend the "insight timer" app. It is free and has thousands of excellent guided meditations.
-Sleep! Make sure you're getting adequate sleep. Not getting enough sleep is terrible for your health, both physical and mental. 7-8 hrs a night is the sweet spot.
-If you're a reader, I found the Russell Brand book "Recovery" to be very helpful and insightful with the added bonus of being funny and relatable. Also, if meetings aren't your thing, check out the "stop drinking" group on reddit. It's like having a support group in your pocket. You are NOT alone.
Overall, be kind to yourself. Be gentle. Change is not easy but it doesn't have to be hard either. Show yourself that you are worth it and deserve to be treated well. Just take everything ONE DAY AT A TIME. You've got this.
If you have any other questions or want to chat, hit me up with a PM!
Quote from: CandoitI think a big part of it also is that your relationship with your brothers on KTC is formed first and foremost around quitting. You know your family and friends are all probably still going to love you if you cave, because your relationship with them was formed around something else. I think that gives your addict brain a little bit of extra wiggle room to convince itself that it'll be okay if you break your promise, because you know they'll forgive you, even if they get mad at first. But on here? You've got 20+ dudes who are all gonna jump your ass if you fuck up, and you know that your relationship with them is going to suffer serious (if not irreparable) damage, because it all comes from the bond of making that promise and going through this thing together.Quote from: scottschnitkerI had an interesting thought today scrolling through these pages of roll and accountability posts. I don’t understand how I could so easily lie to my wife and parents and friends and family about dipping and so easily break promises to quit when those were people I should have been able to turn to. Then I get on here and I can’t lie to you all here and I’m more scared to break a promise to people I only know via text and internet messages than my own family. Whatever the reason I’m glad it is the way it is because it’s working. Anytime I think about a dip I log on here if I can or even just think about my fellow rawktober quitters and the desire to cave goes away. So to you all I say THANK YOU!!!I know it’s because we allow ourselves to become vested in each other. You have come to grips with your addiction and realize that only other addicts can see through the bullshit to hold you accountable.
Or we are way cooler than Facebook
Hmmmm. When I first heard from BubbaM about the 'cave' I was thinking Bsarno was gone. Then as details trickled in and a different picture emerged, I reasoned that the intentionality of the act weighed in it's evaluation. CLEalt echoed my thoughts and made a well reasoned argument; were this a question of guilt. But this isn't a court of law and Bsarno isn't being charged with a crime. He's being extended the privilege of posting roll on a nicotine cessation site, as are we all. The conditions for posting being nicotine free. Because we are addicts and we are dealing with addicts, grey area, no matter how slight, cannot be allowed as it will be used by the addict to justify using. It is for this reason, not to be harsh or cruel, but to protect the integrity of the process by which we have all achieved freedom, and to preserve it for quitter posterity. I think how Bsarno was rallied to is laudable and a great reflection on the success of June as a group and the character of the men in its hall. It is equally commendable by Bsarno to deescalate the situation and concede to post a day 1 in November. No doubt all of June will descend upon it in support as well. I'm glad Bsarno brought this to light because it further strengthened my own quit and I thought it complete after forging it in the fire of withdrawal. This was good. I will sleep well tonight.
People it's pretty fucking simple use the tools at your disposal. If you feel a crave do all of the following first before choosing to bitch out and put crap in you lip:
1. Call a brother
2. Text a brother
3. Make a post
4. Go back and read some of the shit you went through
5. Workout for 5 minutes
6. Eat something
7. Use a substitute like seeds or fake stuff
8. Don't be a little bitch
9. Say I choose to put cancer in my face out loud before hand
10. Repeat just don't cave
It also takes A LOT to get banned here at KTC. If you review the guidelines -- http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004627/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004627/) -- the moderators don't want to ban anyone, and then try not moderate. (You can also review http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1006018/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1006018/) which gives some insight to the moderators ).
JoeSchmoe - day 17. I promise to not use nicotine today.Once you get some quit under your belt, it's acceptable to put your name and your day count, ex:
JoeSchmoe - 117TBD: Dealing with a promise that doesn't make it to roll? (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11667440&t=30053935)
You've heard it said that the only way to really screw up roll is to not be on it.....while that is true, it also is true that if folks spent just a bit of time to go back and review their posts, a whole bunch of the bump fixes could be remedied....maybe not all, but a goodly number of them! Quit on!!
Can, JGlav - thank you so much. Damnit, I'm crying. I want so much to be a different person, and this is a big part of it. Thank you for your words of encouragement.You won't believe us if we told you how different you will be once you get a grip on this thing. I used to hide from my wife and kids at various times of the day, drive to the store for nothing, go into work to put in some unnecessary overtime, etc. All in the name of feeding my addiction. For the last 551 days, I have put that selfish moron in the past. Each day is one day further from that embarrassing person I had become. Like TW said, it takes guts. You can do this though. It won't always be easy, but it will always be worth it. I choose to no longer poison myself and jeopardize my family's future to bang a can of worm dirt. That is a different person than I was before I started. It's possible, just commit to the process.
I've been going back through the intros from my April group, and noticed that quite a few folks posted periodic updates. I hadn't thought to do that, but wanted to at least drop something in here to let anyone who comes across my into know how I'm doing.Hell yeah Sam! Damn proud to quit with you today!
I'll be honest, I was really, really afraid that I wouldn't like Nic-Free Sam.
Turns out, he's actually a pretty cool guy. A whole hell of a lot more fun to hang around with than that idiot Addict Sam.
Day 43, and loving being quit ODAAT.
Outstanding!!Quote from: SamrsI've been going back through the intros from my April group, and noticed that quite a few folks posted periodic updates. I hadn't thought to do that, but wanted to at least drop something in here to let anyone who comes across my into know how I'm doing.Hell yeah Sam! Damn proud to quit with you today!
I'll be honest, I was really, really afraid that I wouldn't like Nic-Free Sam.
Turns out, he's actually a pretty cool guy. A whole hell of a lot more fun to hang around with than that idiot Addict Sam.
Day 43, and loving being quit ODAAT.
If anyone out there is worried about trading addictions, and getting hooked on fake dip, seeds, knitting, cheeseburgers, butt plugs...whatever it is that you need to keep your promise and make another first thing the next morning...I got good news! After you have been quit a while, you can go to other sites like Killthefakedip.com, and stoppingknittingbeforeitkillsyou.com to help you with your new addiction. Oh wait...there are no sites like that...because there are no people with those issues. Sites like that don't exist because guys like me (day 1900 or so) don't have problems quitting seeds and fake dip. Hell, I didn't use fake until I hit a crave superhighway around day 20. From then on I used fake like a madman for...I have no idea how long. I also have no idea when I stopped using it. ---think about that last sentence. Can you imagine yourself a few months ago suddenly waking up and realizing that hadn't had a dip or used nicotine in months...and you hadn't even been trying to quit? Of course not. But this was my experience with fake dip (and ground ginger). Seriously, this is just not possible with nicotine. Because nicotine and seeds aren't the same. Nicotine and fake dip aren't the same. They ain't even in the same ballpark. (https://youtu.be/KCO-SBPTF5E) No matter how much you use them.
Still worried about getting "addicted" to seeds or fake or whatever? Ask any 1,989 day vet if they have developed a problem with fake, or toothpicks, etc. Hell, the beer's on me if you can even find a comma+ vet that has even HEARD of anyone with "fake dip problem." Chances are, you'll be lucky to find a old vet that can even remember the last time they used fake dip. Would I leave my family on Chistmas Eve and drive through a snowstorm looking for my fresh can of mint leaves if I was out? Oh hell no. Would I have made that drive 1900 days ago for a fresh can of Copenhagan?.....you know the answer.
Don't confuse the issue. Nicotine is the issue.
Just wanted to drop in on you and tell you that you're a bad ass mf'ing quitter, Samrs.HA! roflmao Thank you, HG! I try :) You all bring out the best in me.
Proud to be quit with you today and every day.
You pretty much just rock as a human. (http://i.imgur.com/r9HwlvE.jpg)
Dames congrats on your HOF day.Congrats my man on HOF
Great intro. Great quit.
It's great to be free
Stay strong. Stay connected. Quit hard daily!
Congratulations on the hof! Be damn proud!100 days? That is an awesome start. But just a start. Keep going brother! :)
Keep up the bad ass quitting, well past your 100 day mark. Congrats brother!!!Quote from: pab1964Congratulations on the hof! Be damn proud!100 days? That is an awesome start. But just a start. Keep going brother! :)
Quote from: Bullridingaddict559Bullridingaddict559- day 15 starting to put it out of my mindWhat's the hurry? I still think about my addiction every day and I'm damn glad I do. I consciously make an effort every single day to confront my addiction head-on and overwhelm that addiction with brute force.
WORD OF WARNING: You do not "beat" your addiction by putting it out of your mind. You cannot "forget" that you were addicted and somehow go about your "normal" life pretending that it was never a part of you. If you are trying to forget your addiction, you are on the path to failure. You will soon forget how bad day 1 was, how enslaved you were to the worm dirt, how you traded family time for dipping time, how you willingly tried to slowly kill yourself. Don't forget those things. Those are the core of your motivation to quit one day at a time.
Each of you is a nicotine addict. Your addict brain will never "forget" that it was addicted to nicotine. It will lie in wait and on your ninth beer at a wedding reception five years from now, you will allow yourself to think "I'm not addicted any more. Just one dip won't hurt." Do NOT let yourself slip into this mindset.
Quote from: GeraltI'm not sure where the logic of 100 days being considered as Hall of Fame in this awesome site, but I was assuming something about it and I may be partly right?? I sometimes watch the reality TV show Intervention and I think the minimum time they treat an addict is 3 months. I also just googled how long treatments can be for addictions and research shows that treatment can take a minimum of 90 days.I find it interesting that research seems to indicate that it takes two months or more (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-clear/forming-new-habits_b_5104807.html) to develop a new habit.
Therefore I conclude that once we reach 100 days we earn the title of Hall of Famer because we not only stayed sober or quit for that many days but because we surpassed the minimum # of recovery days recommended for addicts a.k.a substance abusers.
In the past three months, I have not killed my nicotine addiction. I never will. However, I have done my best to develop the habit of quitting.
WUPP, EDD. Habit.
Texting brothers and sisters every day. Habit.
Checking to make sure everyone I support in other groups has posted. Habit.
Sharing my struggles in texts and on the forums. Habit.
Jumping on the forum every 2.6 seconds. Habit. (Though I should probably back off on this one a bit...)
So I think there's actually two components here. One is logging a minimum number of recovery days. The other is logging the minimum number of days needed to develop the habits that will help keep you quit.
Note - both are minimums, and working on developing good "KTC habits" over your first 100 days will end up ensuring that you stick around and get a whole lot more than the minimum number of recovery days.
| The Mall Walking Thread from April's GroupMe | |
| Samrs | Walking at the frickin' mall like some AARP wannabe |
| Nick | @Samrs do you have bright white shoes on? |
| Samrs | Black and gold trail runners, @Nick |
| Harvest | @Samrs please tell me you're wearing a track suit and fanny pack. |
| Samrs | @Harvest I lack the sense of style to even pull that off |
| Samrs | It's weird. I'm getting these confrontational looks from the septuagenarian contingent. |
| Harvest | Turf wars. |
| Harvest | You're mall walking but obviously not taking it seriously because you're on your phone like a "one of those kids". ? |
| Samrs | "Yo bitch! This be Mall Walker turf. Respect the grey or we gonna hafts cut you!" |
| Harvest | Make it a game @Samrs. F |
| Harvest | Flirt with the old ladies |
| Harvest | Or see how many you can out pace |
| Samrs | I've been using voice recognition... you should see some of the looks. "We DO NOT TALK!" |
| Nick | @Samrs , first stop at Foot Locker and pick up yourself a nice bright white pair of New Balance shoes. Second, tell them bitches to back the fuck off or your going to cut them with your plastic butter knife you stole from the food court |
| Harvest | Use a different accent each time you pass a group |
| Harvest | Or at least stop at buy a visor |
| Batdad | Walk in front of them. Then slow down. Then pass them again. Like they do on the interstate |
| Samrs | I'm just thankful I haven't seen anybody I know. When you go mall walking and recognize people, then you know you're old. |
| Harvest | Merge and take out the front quarter panel.....of their walker? |
| Batdad | For the love of god! Don't use your turn signal ?? |
| Harvest | Then glare at them like it's their fault |
| Samrs | @Batdad I'm not messing with any of them. A couple of them are walking with white strap all over their body. We could probably snap me like a twig without breaking a sweat |
| Harvest | Or just keep it on continuously and slow down at every exit....store entrance? |
| Samrs | Not white, weights... that's what I get for whispering so I don't attract their attention! |
| Batdad | I feel like @Harvest and I have some anger issues towards elderly drivers |
| Batdad | I was wondering what the white stripe was. Maybe a gang thing? |
| Harvest | "Middle aged mall walker gets mobbed today at local mall by group of elderly walking enthusiasts. Witnesses say that the victim was attempted to be strangled by a white sweatband and beaten with 2lb ankle weights. Responding emergency services stated that upon arrival the victim was screaming into his phone "I DIE FREE FROM THE NIC BITCH! YOU CAN'T TAKE THST AWAY FROM ME!" Full coverage and updates at 6pm. |
| Batdad | Epic!! |
| Samrs | Thank you guys for making this bearable. The little old ladies jump and scowl when you burst out laughing, btw |
| Harvest | They're like little terriers |
| Harvest | All nervous and full of bark |
| Harvest | Skittish |
| Harvest | So this whole thing reminds me of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uND9Fuj3Vw) |
| Samrs | I am laughing so hard... they are going to call the mall cop on me, I know it |
I see his point
I was going to leave too
Right after my June 2016 group finished boarding the train.
Then there were a few guys in July
that I wanted to stick around and celebrate with.
I had to conduct August onto the train.
Oh, September has a few bad ass quitters.
I had to celebrate with them.
I am leaving though
Right after the celebrations are over.
OMG!!! that so hit the spot..thank you for putting that up
The Mall Walking Thread from April's GroupMe Samrs Walking at the frickin' mall like some AARP wannabe Nick @Samrs do you have bright white shoes on? Samrs Black and gold trail runners, @Nick Harvest @Samrs please tell me you're wearing a track suit and fanny pack. Samrs @Harvest I lack the sense of style to even pull that off Samrs It's weird. I'm getting these confrontational looks from the septuagenarian contingent. Harvest Turf wars. Harvest You're mall walking but obviously not taking it seriously because you're on your phone like a "one of those kids". ? Samrs "Yo bitch! This be Mall Walker turf. Respect the grey or we gonna hafts cut you!" Harvest Make it a game @Samrs. F Harvest Flirt with the old ladies Harvest Or see how many you can out pace Samrs I've been using voice recognition... you should see some of the looks. "We DO NOT TALK!" Nick @Samrs , first stop at Foot Locker and pick up yourself a nice bright white pair of New Balance shoes. Second, tell them bitches to back the fuck off or your going to cut them with your plastic butter knife you stole from the food court Harvest Use a different accent each time you pass a group Harvest Or at least stop at buy a visor Batdad Walk in front of them. Then slow down. Then pass them again. Like they do on the interstate Samrs I'm just thankful I haven't seen anybody I know. When you go mall walking and recognize people, then you know you're old. Harvest Merge and take out the front quarter panel.....of their walker? Batdad For the love of god! Don't use your turn signal ?? Harvest Then glare at them like it's their fault Samrs @Batdad I'm not messing with any of them. A couple of them are walking with white strap all over their body. We could probably snap me like a twig without breaking a sweat Harvest Or just keep it on continuously and slow down at every exit....store entrance? Samrs Not white, weights... that's what I get for whispering so I don't attract their attention! Batdad I feel like @Harvest and I have some anger issues towards elderly drivers Batdad I was wondering what the white stripe was. Maybe a gang thing? Harvest "Middle aged mall walker gets mobbed today at local mall by group of elderly walking enthusiasts.
Witnesses say that the victim was attempted to be strangled by a white sweatband and beaten with 2lb ankle weights.
Responding emergency services stated that upon arrival the victim was screaming into his phone
"I DIE FREE FROM THE NIC BITCH! YOU CAN'T TAKE THST AWAY FROM ME!"
Full coverage and updates at 6pm.Batdad Epic!! Samrs Thank you guys for making this bearable. The little old ladies jump and scowl when you burst out laughing, btw Harvest They're like little terriers Harvest All nervous and full of bark Harvest Skittish Harvest So this whole thing reminds me of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uND9Fuj3Vw) Samrs I am laughing so hard... they are going to call the mall cop on me, I know it
Been thinking a lot about this whole "it gets better" voodoo that we all parrot over and over. I know I didn't really believe it when I was just past the hall and trudging through the motions trying like hell to stay clean and watching my group lose quitters. Always lead me to think - if it is OK for them, why not me?
I remember another thing I did in these types of situations. Go find some "active", crusty old vet - I'd suggest a guy like Hydro because he is quit friggen YODA - shoot him a pm. Ask him questions about what it is like now. Find these 6, 7, 8 year quitters who are still here every day - though not overly active - and ask them. Don't take my word for it. Ask them what it is like. Ask them if it was all worth it. There HAS to be a reason guys like Hydro and others still post roll like it is their job. We are all pretty busy guys with professional lives and work responsibilities, with families and probably have FAR better things to do than troll internet forums for nic addicts. Yet here we all are - in the same boat.
I bet you'll hear the same story over and over. Take it on faith that shit gets so much fucking better you can't possibly imagine. I sure as shit didn't until one day, I realized it had. I challenge you all to keep the focus on TODAY - every day and everything will get worked out in time. Get rid of the thoughts of "by now, I should feel ______" because I can promise you those expectations will lead to let down. Instead, try "Today I will not use nicotine" and go live your life without thinking about where you think you ought to be at this point. You are exactly where you all should be. There is a reason I hate the hall...sure it is a bad ass benchmark but after that, it is just another +1. My worst days were AFTER the hall. My best days were ahead of me - I just didn't believe it.
Keep the faith brothers. You are all killing it - and winning - it just doesn't feel like it most days. I promise that changes.
People it's pretty fucking simple use the tools at your disposal. If you feel a crave do all of the following first before choosing to bitch out and put crap in you lip:
1. Call a brother
2. Text a brother
3. Make a post
4. Go back and read some of the shit you went through
5. Workout for 5 minutes
6. Eat something
7. Use a substitute like seeds or fake stuff
8. Don't be a little bitch
9. Say I choose to put cancer in my face out loud before hand
10. Repeat just don't cave
It also takes A LOT to get banned here at KTC. If you review the guidelines -- topic/1004627/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1004627/) -- the moderators don't want to ban anyone, and then try not moderate. (You can also review topic/1006018/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1006018/) which gives some insight to the moderators ).
JoeSchmoe - day 17. I promise to not use nicotine today.Once you get some quit under your belt, it's acceptable to put your name and your day count, ex:
JoeSchmoe - 117TBD: Dealing with a promise that doesn't make it to roll? (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11667440&t=30053935)
You've heard it said that the only way to really screw up roll is to not be on it.....while that is true, it also is true that if folks spent just a bit of time to go back and review their posts, a whole bunch of the bump fixes could be remedied....maybe not all, but a goodly number of them! Quit on!!Frazzled talks about why posting your day count is so important (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11710852&t=30081110).
200!!!Aw, man! Thank you for making me smile :)
'party' NICE JOB, SECOND FLOOR!!! 'party' SAMRS GUD BOI QUITTER! 'party'
And great job paying it forward EDD!
Once you get past the "suck" not caving is pretty simple: You just have to want to quit more than you want to cave.
I can't believe I didn't catch this the other day!! 2nd floor congrats, brotha!Quote from: FLLipOut200!!!Aw, man! Thank you for making me smile :)
'party' NICE JOB, SECOND FLOOR!!! 'party' SAMRS GUD BOI QUITTER! 'party'
And great job paying it forward EDD!
I missed it to...thanks FLLIP for leading off.Quote from: SamrsI can't believe I didn't catch this the other day!! 2nd floor congrats, brotha!Quote from: FLLipOut200!!!Aw, man! Thank you for making me smile :)
'party' NICE JOB, SECOND FLOOR!!! 'party' SAMRS GUD BOI QUITTER! 'party'
And great job paying it forward EDD!
'usflag' 'usflag' The Declaration of Nicotine Independence by TGAfish 'usflag' 'usflag'When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands which have connected them with addiction, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, websites are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of addiction becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new freedoms, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that relationships long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off that bitch, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these KTC'ers; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former self abuses. The history of the present Nic Bitch is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these Brothers. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
She has refused us freedom, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
She has forbidden us to enjoy times with our families
She has refused to pass us the ability to not look like a loser with a cat turd in our mouth
She has called together legions of marketing companies to tell how how hot she is
She has dissolved our self esteem
She has refused for a long time our cries to get her fucking claws out of us
She has endeavoured to prevent blessed freedom
She has obstructed our visits to doctors and dentists
She has made our brotherhood dependent onher Willl alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
She has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
She has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
She has affected to render the Military dependant on her of and superior to the Civil power.
She has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving Her Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed marketers among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off pieces of our friends wrecked with cancer:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of not spilling a disgusting spit cup:
For transporting us beyond Seas fully packed with her poison for fear of not finding her on other shores
For abolishing the free System of driving anywhere without having to stop at a c store
For taking away our dignity, abolishing our most valuable relationships, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Freedom:
For suspending our own integrity, and declaring herself invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
She has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of her Protection and waging War against us.
She has plundered our bodies, ravaged our health, burnt our pride, and destroyed the lives of our people.
She is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized organization.
She has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their brothers, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
She has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless marketers, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Woman whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our addicted brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by the bitch to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our decision to be done with slavery. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of those who choose freedom from the use of nicotine, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of KTC, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Brothers are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent ; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Nic whore, and that all financial and mental connection between them and the fucking whore, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent Brothers, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent Brotherhood may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
If I've learned anything from this website, we quit for ourselves but our strength to continue comes from helping each other.
There is no way to make right what you did but you can only grow from here. Don't ever be that person again. Be strong and be true. That's all we ask. We don't need to be an avatar of ourselves. We just have to be us. In the end, that's all that's keeping us quit. Make it right man.Quote the Second (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11902134&t=30350913) :
We're always here.
And fuck you for lying to me.
Saddle up sugarbritches. You can do this.
We all walk this same path today. Some of us have just walked it before.Quote the Third (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11902151&t=30350913) :
Fading gets a lot of people man. Quitting isn't a sprint to quit the bestest out of the gate. It's a day in, day out marathon. Ain't one of us "quit forever" until we're 6 feet under the ground.
I need to remember to go to your intro when I'm having an off day and caving seems like an option. You have a lot of good info to help stay quit. Thanks for posting itThat's what it's here for! If you like this stuff, I really recommend checking out wildirish317's intro (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11541810/) as well. Lots of good stuff in there. His first post in his intro thread has an index, even! :)
Quote from: RubyredI hate tobacco and nic. In a fog and depressed. I've been sad but depressed is new for me.I hit something very similar about a month back... let's see.. yep, here it is. (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=11894048&t=30106725)
That was close to the end of a week where I was just generally down. I think I was fighting something off, physically as well. Just a head cold or something, but the two together (being down, feeling blick) was a one-two punch. I didn't want to get up, didn't want to go to work, didn't want to go for my daily walks, didn't want to eat.
I didn't want to make the bed in the morning. That sounds stupid, maybe, but I always make the bed. I joke that even if I get nothing else done every day, I know that I at least got one thing done. My wife just thought I was just a bit down, until I left the bed unmade a couple of mornings. THAT got her attention... that's when I realized I wasn't just feeling poorly, there was something wonky in my brain.
It all came to a head in the crave I described in that post. It seemed out of nowhere at the time, but looking back, it's easy to see that it was building. No way I was going to feed my addiction, but it was a rough week or so until I worked my way out of it.
And when I say I worked my way out of it... I mean that. I intentionally blocked out time during the day for my walks. I got my wife and girls on board to badger me about sitting down and working on some projects in the evening, for at least an hour. Even though I really, really, really didn't want to, I made myself go to church early and stay around afterwards, so I would have to interact with people. I made myself do little things that I could look at and think, "Yeah, I made some progress today."
Give that a try, see if it helps. Find a few small tasks you can bang out each day, and set some times to do them. Get moving a bit, even if it's just taking a walk. Get around some people that you know an like, and spend a little time with them. If that doesn't help and this seems to persist, or get worse, see a doctor - clinical depression is nothing to fool around with. I'm pretty confident that a week or so from now, though, you'll be feeling a heck of a lot better than you are today.
Some thoughts on building relationships:
I think I've been here long enough and been involved enough to see some trends here. Everybody stresses the importance of getting phone numbers but never really tells you what to do with those numbers. I text 37 quitters my promise every day. Of those, I get into other conversations with maybe 20 of them from time to time. Of those, I get into deeper conversations with 10-12 of them at least weekly. Of those, there are 6 that I would feel comfortable calling at any hour of the day/night, and 2 that I have done that with. Those relationships keep me quit. It's easy to make a promise to a bunch of nameless, faceless strangers that are a little difficult to imagine as actually existing in real life. When you text your promise to somebody that you've shared life challenges with, somebody that you've seen pics of and pics of their family, and know what they go through on a regular basis, you're telling a friend that you won't dip that day. We aren't trading numbers just to enhance our rolodex. We should be building relationships with these people so when you need them, you won't be apprehensive about calling them.
I was on my second week of quit, around day 12. I had been out to dinner with a lady friend and was driving home. I stopped at a gas station for a Dr.Pepper, and when I went to the counter, I also bought a can. It was muscle memory. I opened the can and smelled it. It was absolutely divine, but I had given my promise and I had relationships made. I felt I needed to announce my intentions so I could keep my word as a man. I texted Casus Belli. What made me pick him, I have no idea. He wasn't even in my group. He was August, but he reached out to me early in my quit and he was one of my few numbers. I was on the verge. I had bought a can, opened a can, and smelled that shit. There were only two more steps to take, and I'd be a caver AGAIN, posting a new day 1. What Casus did after I texted him saved my quit. He didn't text back. He freaking CALLED me. And he talked to me for probably 15 minutes about the chemicals in dip, his story, hell I can't remember what all he talked to me about. But in that time, I decided to walk to the toilet and dump this brand new can of cancer that I had just paid $5 for not 30 minutes earlier. His actions were a result of our relationship, and that saved my quit.
Fast forward to day 77. At this point in my quit, I felt like I had things whipped pretty good. One day, I went to the gas station on my lunch break at work to grab a drink and a burger from the fry cook. As soon as I pulled in the lot, I felt a deep crave out of nowhere. I was right on the verge of going in and buying a can. Once again, I had made my promise early and I had relationships. I texted a brother, then I realized text is too slow, probably exactly what Casus realized that day 2 months earlier. I decided to call Phuctup. He answered, and I kept him on the phone the whole time I was in the store. If I had him on the line, I couldn't very well order a can of dip without him coming to Texas and kicking me in the nuts. Relationships...
Develop these relationships guys. I just posted a 145 day promise, and I could easily have a crave so solid that I need to make a call. I have multiple people that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the phone and do that with. I have people that I really want to meet and I would drive hours to do so. I have made friends here. If anybody here needs digits, mine are a PM away, but I'll want yours too, and a daily text promise at a minimum. The people that don't have those relationships are much more likely to cave on the site. This is no joke and it's life and death. Don't you think you should do everything you can to stay quit?
Thanks yeah I have checked his intro out while back. I have read most of the intros going back to april.Quote from: jMcKayI need to remember to go to your intro when I'm having an off day and caving seems like an option. You have a lot of good info to help stay quit. Thanks for posting itThat's what it's here for! If you like this stuff, I really recommend checking out wildirish317's intro (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11541810/) as well. Lots of good stuff in there. His first post in his intro thread has an index, even! :)
300!!!Congrats on the 300 Sam!
Congratulations on reaching the third floor, Samrs!!!
'party2' 'party2' 'party2'
Congrats on 300 Sam!!Quote from: FLLipOut300!!!Congrats on the 300 Sam!
Congratulations on reaching the third floor, Samrs!!!
'party2' 'party2' 'party2'
There are two types of quitters on KTC. Those who post every damn day no matter what. They could survive a plane crash 50 miles from Nome Alaska and would kill a polar bear with a pocket knife, write their days quit on ice with its blood, snap a pic with there cell phone and text it to Drome. Then there are those who always have an excuse not to post or to post late.
No running water or electricity in case some of ya have to know... Take care and good luck on your QUIT.I am constantly surprised at the number of people who come here, sign up for accountability, and then... get pissed off when people try to hold them accountable.
Mines going better than expected and I will not fail,
365!!!Congrats on 1 year quit Sam!!!
WOOOOOOT!!!! 'party' Congratulations on 365 beautiful quit days under your belt, Sam!!!! 'party' And thank you for all you do here at KTC - this place would NOT be the same without you!
'party2' 'party2' 'party2'
You just keep being you, man.
This place needs those who can encourage and forgive.
It needs hard-asses.
It needs people who are dead serious.
It needs a whole passel of clowns.
It needs saints and sinners and everything in between.
(And sometimes, the same guy will be all that and more in the space of an hour...)
Be who you are; but keep in mind that a lot of people here are - for the first time ever - finding out who they really are.
This belong here.Love ^^^ this.Quote from: SamrsYou just keep being you, man.
This place needs those who can encourage and forgive.
It needs hard-asses.
It needs people who are dead serious.
It needs a whole passel of clowns.
It needs saints and sinners and everything in between.
(And sometimes, the same guy will be all that and more in the space of an hour...)
Be who you are; but keep in mind that a lot of people here are - for the first time ever - finding out who they really are.
Aw, geez - thanks, guys.Quote from: CandoitThis belong here.Love ^^^ this.Quote from: SamrsYou just keep being you, man.
This place needs those who can encourage and forgive.
It needs hard-asses.
It needs people who are dead serious.
It needs a whole passel of clowns.
It needs saints and sinners and everything in between.
(And sometimes, the same guy will be all that and more in the space of an hour...)
Be who you are; but keep in mind that a lot of people here are - for the first time ever - finding out who they really are.
I hate that I even had to write this, but... SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS HERE. (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12147618&t=30424041)Holy cow, outstanding!!!
'clap'Quote from: SamrsI hate that I even had to write this, but... SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS HERE. (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12147618&t=30424041)Holy cow, outstanding!!!
'clap'
400!!!Legit quit brother!
Another great milestone for one of the truly great quitters on KTC!!! Congratulations and thanks for all you do here, Sam!
'worship' 'party2'
Nice 400 dude!Quote from: FLLipOut400!!!Legit quit brother!
Another great milestone for one of the truly great quitters on KTC!!! Congratulations and thanks for all you do here, Sam!
'worship' 'party2'
Vibrates on 400 samrs!
It's all the buzz
Congrats on 400 Samrs!Quote from: ChickDipNice 400 dude!Quote from: FLLipOut400!!!Legit quit brother!
Another great milestone for one of the truly great quitters on KTC!!! Congratulations and thanks for all you do here, Sam!
'worship' 'party2'
Vibrates on 400 samrs!
It's all the buzz
I am going to take this message, have it cast it bronze, framed, and lit up 24/7.Quote from: TyrsmanHey guys. Yeah surgery went well. I'm in an incredible amount of pain. I've got a blood drain in my back that regularly fills a blood bag. Can't roll over onto one side over another. Miss my boy like crazy, but my folks are watching him. Amy's the best thing about this procedure so far. Tough as nails. She keeps my ass moving down the hallway. And before you know it, I'll be back to work. Thanks for your thoughts, prayers, and support.Quote from: GregorItÂ’s a good thing you canÂ’t post pictures on here.Quote from: gottadoitMike,I sure could use some of those pain meds in order to improve my KTC posting.
See you lurking down there. What in tarnation are you doing back online so soon after your surgery? Figured you'd still be all loopy on pain meds. 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy'
Wait....that might be an improvement...let's see some 'under the influence' posting from you!!
It takes a lot of quit for your brain to get its shit together. This study (https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/89/8/572/2526887) surveyed people who had quit smoking, and reinterviewed them a year or two later to see how they were doing. For people who had been quit less than 3 months at the time of the first interview, only ~18% were still quit (without having caved in the meantime). Once they looked at people who had been quit for 3-6 months (note that 3 months is pretty damn close to 100 days, i.e., HOF here), the chances of them not having caved went up to 50%. It's not until you get to the people that had already been quit for 3+ years that the chances of staying nic-free until the next interview passed 90%. So if you think you don't need this place anymore after 20 days, or 100 days, or 365 days, well... the science disagrees.
Koba dug up a study on smoking cessation and relapse (caving) rates, and posted about it in the context of a new quitter leaving after 20 days. (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/30577754/39/?x=90#post12540166)I read that same study (along with a few others) about a month ago. The whole brain chemistry part of the addiction is really fascinating to me. One of the other studies I read had similar results to this one but took it a few steps further when it came to tracking the participants. That study indicated that the long term success rate increased dramatically for smokers that had managed to quit for at least 4 months. There wasn't much of a statistical difference between 4 months and 6 months and then there was a small increase in long term success rates for those that made it to a year. That study also indicated that 3 years was a magical number. The one thing I took out of all of those studies that I read is that the long term success rate for beating the nicotine addiction is pretty low, especially on your first attempt.
I'll quote his comment here...Quote from: KobaIt takes a lot of quit for your brain to get its shit together. This study (https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/89/8/572/2526887) surveyed people who had quit smoking, and reinterviewed them a year or two later to see how they were doing. For people who had been quit less than 3 months at the time of the first interview, only ~18% were still quit (without having caved in the meantime). Once they looked at people who had been quit for 3-6 months (note that 3 months is pretty damn close to 100 days, i.e., HOF here), the chances of them not having caved went up to 50%. It's not until you get to the people that had already been quit for 3+ years that the chances of staying nic-free until the next interview passed 90%. So if you think you don't need this place anymore after 20 days, or 100 days, or 365 days, well... the science disagrees.
Congrats on 500 Sam!! Thanks for all that you do. You make this place better. Very much appreciated!!Congratulations on 500! You inspire me (and so many around here)! Proud to quit with you!
Congrats on 5th Floor Sam!!! Keep doing what you do!!! Thanks for being a big part of my quit!Quote from: BrianGCongrats on 500 Sam!! Thanks for all that you do. You make this place better. Very much appreciated!!Congratulations on 500! You inspire me (and so many around here)! Proud to quit with you!
'party' Woot! 'party' So proud of you, Sam! Half Dangle!!! Thank you for everything you do here - and for helping to fortify my own quit through your leadership and wisdom and humor and kindness!Quote from: 4thewinCongrats on 5th Floor Sam!!! Keep doing what you do!!! Thanks for being a big part of my quit!Quote from: BrianGCongrats on 500 Sam!! Thanks for all that you do. You make this place better. Very much appreciated!!Congratulations on 500! You inspire me (and so many around here)! Proud to quit with you!
Vibrates on your 1/2 dangle Sam!!Quote from: srains918'party' Woot! 'party' So proud of you, Sam! Half Dangle!!! Thank you for everything you do here - and for helping to fortify my own quit through your leadership and wisdom and humor and kindness!Quote from: 4thewinCongrats on 5th Floor Sam!!! Keep doing what you do!!! Thanks for being a big part of my quit!Quote from: BrianGCongrats on 500 Sam!! Thanks for all that you do. You make this place better. Very much appreciated!!Congratulations on 500! You inspire me (and so many around here)! Proud to quit with you!
Congrats on that half dangle man!Quote from: FLLipOutVibrates on your 1/2 dangle Sam!!Quote from: srains918'party' Woot! 'party' So proud of you, Sam! Half Dangle!!! Thank you for everything you do here - and for helping to fortify my own quit through your leadership and wisdom and humor and kindness!Quote from: 4thewinCongrats on 5th Floor Sam!!! Keep doing what you do!!! Thanks for being a big part of my quit!Quote from: BrianGCongrats on 500 Sam!! Thanks for all that you do. You make this place better. Very much appreciated!!Congratulations on 500! You inspire me (and so many around here)! Proud to quit with you!
Some thoughts on why we are so hard on cavers. (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12641170&t=30631963)Good stuff, Sam.
Quote from: jedi1991Hi. Did anyone else notice their desire for booze increasing at a disturbing rate after quitting dip? If so, pm me. I think I may need some support.Yes. Addictions can be substituted quite easily. When I was quitting dip, I would frequently have insane cravings that weren't real cravings for nicotine. When I stopped for a moment I could recognize that I was actually just hungry, or thirsty, or tired, etc.
In my experience, all of us addicts, whether alcoholics, or nicotine addicts, or sex addicts, or gambling addicts are all chasing a fix of dopamine. We want to light up the reward centers in our brain via shortcut....shortcuts are generally not going to provide the contentment that we are really after.
Sooooo, what are some things to do to combat this? One thing, which you're doing (well done!), is ask for help and establish a support system. Having a therapist or counselor can be hugely helpful. A couple of other things that really helped me included:
-admitting I had an unhealthy relationship with dopamine inducing activities. That does not mean you are weak or are lacking in will power. You are just wired differently. That is OK! Seriously.
-hitting the gym, it is never too late to add some muscle and cut some fat. I'm stronger and more fit now at 40 than I was as a college football player. I highly recommend the "starting strength" app to start slow and track your progress. Spoiler alert: it works.
-Check your nutrition. Are you eating a lot of sugar and/or processed foods? Are you staying hydrated? Eating simple carbs can cause insulin spikes with resultant sugar highs and crashes that do NOT help one trying to abstain from a substance. Eat more leafy greens and cruciferous veggies. Most of us are also chronically dehydrated. Keep your brain nice and moist, it functions better.
-Many folks seeking easy hits of dopamine are lacking appropriate levels of serotonin. Serotonin makes us feel content instead of the happy euphoria of dopamine. Contentment feels better. Try grabbing a couple of supplements that might help with boosting serotonin including magnesium and 5-HTP. (As always, consult your doctor before starting any supplements.)
-Meditation is awesome. It may sound new-agey or make your eyes roll thinking about it, but being mindful and quieting your mind feels incredible. Like any new habit you hope to establish, start slow. Even 1 minute a day will help. I recommend the "insight timer" app. It is free and has thousands of excellent guided meditations.
-Sleep! Make sure you're getting adequate sleep. Not getting enough sleep is terrible for your health, both physical and mental. 7-8 hrs a night is the sweet spot.
-If you're a reader, I found the Russell Brand book "Recovery" to be very helpful and insightful with the added bonus of being funny and relatable. Also, if meetings aren't your thing, check out the "stop drinking" group on reddit. It's like having a support group in your pocket. You are NOT alone.
Overall, be kind to yourself. Be gentle. Change is not easy but it doesn't have to be hard either. Show yourself that you are worth it and deserve to be treated well. Just take everything ONE DAY AT A TIME. You've got this.
If you have any other questions or want to chat, hit me up with a PM!
Quote from: CandoitI think a big part of it also is that your relationship with your brothers on KTC is formed first and foremost around quitting. You know your family and friends are all probably still going to love you if you cave, because your relationship with them was formed around something else. I think that gives your addict brain a little bit of extra wiggle room to convince itself that it'll be okay if you break your promise, because you know they'll forgive you, even if they get mad at first. But on here? You've got 20+ dudes who are all gonna jump your ass if you fuck up, and you know that your relationship with them is going to suffer serious (if not irreparable) damage, because it all comes from the bond of making that promise and going through this thing together.Quote from: scottschnitkerI had an interesting thought today scrolling through these pages of roll and accountability posts. I donÂ’t understand how I could so easily lie to my wife and parents and friends and family about dipping and so easily break promises to quit when those were people I should have been able to turn to. Then I get on here and I canÂ’t lie to you all here and IÂ’m more scared to break a promise to people I only know via text and internet messages than my own family. Whatever the reason IÂ’m glad it is the way it is because itÂ’s working. Anytime I think about a dip I log on here if I can or even just think about my fellow rawktober quitters and the desire to cave goes away. So to you all I say THANK YOU!!!I know itÂ’s because we allow ourselves to become vested in each other. You have come to grips with your addiction and realize that only other addicts can see through the bullshit to hold you accountable.
Or we are way cooler than Facebook
I think koba really hits the nail on the head here, about why KTC works (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12717840&t=30631963)...There isn't a like button here but this is good stuff! Way cooler than Facebook too!Quote from: kobaQuote from: CandoitI think a big part of it also is that your relationship with your brothers on KTC is formed first and foremost around quitting. You know your family and friends are all probably still going to love you if you cave, because your relationship with them was formed around something else. I think that gives your addict brain a little bit of extra wiggle room to convince itself that it'll be okay if you break your promise, because you know they'll forgive you, even if they get mad at first. But on here? You've got 20+ dudes who are all gonna jump your ass if you fuck up, and you know that your relationship with them is going to suffer serious (if not irreparable) damage, because it all comes from the bond of making that promise and going through this thing together.Quote from: scottschnitkerI had an interesting thought today scrolling through these pages of roll and accountability posts. I donÂ’t understand how I could so easily lie to my wife and parents and friends and family about dipping and so easily break promises to quit when those were people I should have been able to turn to. Then I get on here and I canÂ’t lie to you all here and IÂ’m more scared to break a promise to people I only know via text and internet messages than my own family. Whatever the reason IÂ’m glad it is the way it is because itÂ’s working. Anytime I think about a dip I log on here if I can or even just think about my fellow rawktober quitters and the desire to cave goes away. So to you all I say THANK YOU!!!I know itÂ’s because we allow ourselves to become vested in each other. You have come to grips with your addiction and realize that only other addicts can see through the bullshit to hold you accountable.
Or we are way cooler than Facebook
Hmmmm. When I first heard from BubbaM about the 'cave' I was thinking Bsarno was gone. Then as details trickled in and a different picture emerged, I reasoned that the intentionality of the act weighed in it's evaluation. CLEalt echoed my thoughts and made a well reasoned argument; were this a question of guilt. But this isn't a court of law and Bsarno isn't being charged with a crime. He's being extended the privilege of posting roll on a nicotine cessation site, as are we all. The conditions for posting being nicotine free. Because we are addicts and we are dealing with addicts, grey area, no matter how slight, cannot be allowed as it will be used by the addict to justify using. It is for this reason, not to be harsh or cruel, but to protect the integrity of the process by which we have all achieved freedom, and to preserve it for quitter posterity. I think how Bsarno was rallied to is laudable and a great reflection on the success of June as a group and the character of the men in its hall. It is equally commendable by Bsarno to deescalate the situation and concede to post a day 1 in November. No doubt all of June will descend upon it in support as well. I'm glad Bsarno brought this to light because it further strengthened my own quit and I thought it complete after forging it in the fire of withdrawal. This was good. I will sleep well tonight.
1,000 days today.It is impossible to imagine KTC without you, Sam. Almost everyone here owes at least a piece of their quit success to you. Keep rocking it my friend!!!
It seems unreal. I can remember the day I quit. I can remember the days from then on, and even knowing how it all went, how it all worked out, I am still amazed.
Love you all. Thank you for being here when I needed you.
Good luck today Samrs!!!!Good luck tonight Sam!!!
Have fun
So, like, have you considered a running mate yet? I'm like, free on Thursday evenings for the foreseeable future if it's a part time gig. I've heard there's a great dental plan...
WHILE. I. AM. RUNNING. FOR. PRESIDENT.
@Athan (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=258), I couldn't ask for a finer partner! I just don't think the US - let alone the world - is ready for two decent, sensible guys. We'd make heads 'asplode.So, like, have you considered a running mate yet? I'm like, free on Thursday evenings for the foreseeable future if it's a part time gig. I've heard there's a great dental plan...
WHILE. I. AM. RUNNING. FOR. PRESIDENT.
Congratulations on 3 years quit Sam! This is where we were trying to get to when the fog was heavy. Thanks for all the help in my quit and thanks for being a good friend.Long live SAMRS!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wXEEQBHeQ)
Keep doing what you do....
Congratulations on 3 years quit Sam! This is where we were trying to get to when the fog was heavy. Thanks for all the help in my quit and thanks for being a good friend.
Keep doing what you do....
Long live SAMRS!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wXEEQBHeQ)We need POM POMS!!! 'party' 'party' 'party' 'party' 'party' 'party' Great job, Sam!