Thanks guys. Much appreciatedSo...when you gonna post roll?
I already have...Pardon my confusion I was looking for your name with a two next to it. Did you quit yesterday or today?
20 years old. At least can a day for a good part of 6 years. Have been watching friend after friend seemingly effortlessly quit. I try about every other month but always find myself taking the embarrassing uncontrollable trip to the gas station the next day, and on top of that have to hear about it from friends and family. Pretty optimistic about the whole thing after reading through the site and forums. Never looked at it as a day by day process like you all do. That's a lot smarter than "ok that's my last dip forever." Just have to wake up each morning planning to go to bed at night having gone dip free for the day. Anyways, I look forward to becoming a part of this group. And go browns!Welcome to KTC! First off, use that group of friends that have already quit as a support group. I'm 21 and all of my friends that chew haven't quit. Having friends your age that have already quit is a greater blessing than you know. Use them, use us, post roll, and things will be much easier than trying to quit alone. I quit with you today brother.
20 years old. At least can a day for a good part of 6 years. Have been watching friend after friend seemingly effortlessly quit. I try about every other month but always find myself taking the embarrassing uncontrollable trip to the gas station the next day, and on top of that have to hear about it from friends and family. Pretty optimistic about the whole thing after reading through the site and forums. Never looked at it as a day by day process like you all do. That's a lot smarter than "ok that's my last dip forever." Just have to wake up each morning planning to go to bed at night having gone dip free for the day. Anyways, I look forward to becoming a part of this group. And go browns!Glad to have you as a member of my Quit Group Grizz. I am 25 myself and i know exactly what you are talking about with friends trying, trying for yourself and coming up short. I am too very grateful I found this site and I will promise to you and everyone else in our group everyday to stay quit that day. Lets do this.
How are you? Having some raging Nicotine fits? It's good for you, it's like taking a nice bubble bath after being buried in dog shit for years.Still going strong here, keep it up bro.
BTW, Where the hell's my Fantasy Basketball Invite and when's the draft?
Hey guys. Day 1 here. Unfortunately not my first day 1. Used to be part of February '14, and failed. I don't know that I was ready to quit yet, so I caved after not too long and continued to chew until, we'll, today. This time I'm quitting strictly for myself and really going to look at things on a day to day basis. Gonna wake up tomorrow and just look ahead to going to bed that night chew free.What makes you think you're ready now????. What the fuck happened last time? What are u going to do different?
I'm in this for the long run. No doubt
GQG
Good to hear. Go buckeyesQuote from: grizzlyquittergreenHey guys. Day 1 here. Unfortunately not my first day 1. Used to be part of February '14, and failed. I don't know that I was ready to quit yet, so I caved after not too long and continued to chew until, we'll, today. This time I'm quitting strictly for myself and really going to look at things on a day to day basis. Gonna wake up tomorrow and just look ahead to going to bed that night chew free.What makes you think you're ready now????. What the fuck happened last time? What are u going to do different?
I'm in this for the long run. No doubt
GQG
Looks like you got some solid support last time you "tried" yet you shit all over everybody who attempted to help you.
No apology, no anger, no plan, no nothing except for some empty promise. Why the fuck should anyone reinvest in you?
You're in it for the long haul. No doubt?
Personally, I have some serious ass doubt.
Gotta be honest, you sound like a fucking pussy.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it...
Your last post in November:He didn't get it then and I doubt he gets it now.
" Spoken like a true dude that thinks 20 yr olds are morons. I can confidentally say cigars do nothing for me in the way chew does. Came here to quit chew, not occassional cigars, not change who I am or how I socialize. Im not quitting cigars. Plain and simple. Which means continuing to post roll would be useless. Because, again, I was posting to promise not to chew. And around thanksgiving cigars will be smoked reuniting with friends and family"
I won't invest my time into this guy until he proves he's serious. I hope he is serious and that he understands how the KTC program works.Quote from: KnockoutYour last post in November:He didn't get it then and I doubt he gets it now.
" Spoken like a true dude that thinks 20 yr olds are morons. I can confidentally say cigars do nothing for me in the way chew does. Came here to quit chew, not occassional cigars, not change who I am or how I socialize. Im not quitting cigars. Plain and simple. Which means continuing to post roll would be useless. Because, again, I was posting to promise not to chew. And around thanksgiving cigars will be smoked reuniting with friends and family"
He thinks it's a big fucking joke.
A lot of people can go around saying they are going to give up an addiction but very few can pull it off.
I believe the seperation comes when shit gets real. When one realizes, "fuck this sucks, this is really much harder than I thought.". It's at that point where people who truly want it find a way to push through and those who don't surrender and give up.
Doesn't sound to me like he has what it takes to push through.
He sounds like one of those "smartest guys in the room" types who likes to talk but not listen. Very immature and very weak.
Deep down he knows it. Wouldn't be surprised if he fades away, yet again.
I hope he does too. I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy.Quote from: Diesel2112I won't invest my time into this guy until he proves he's serious. I hope he is serious and that he understands how the KTC program works.Quote from: KnockoutYour last post in November:He didn't get it then and I doubt he gets it now.
" Spoken like a true dude that thinks 20 yr olds are morons. I can confidentally say cigars do nothing for me in the way chew does. Came here to quit chew, not occassional cigars, not change who I am or how I socialize. Im not quitting cigars. Plain and simple. Which means continuing to post roll would be useless. Because, again, I was posting to promise not to chew. And around thanksgiving cigars will be smoked reuniting with friends and family"
He thinks it's a big fucking joke.
A lot of people can go around saying they are going to give up an addiction but very few can pull it off.
I believe the seperation comes when shit gets real. When one realizes, "fuck this sucks, this is really much harder than I thought.". It's at that point where people who truly want it find a way to push through and those who don't surrender and give up.
Doesn't sound to me like he has what it takes to push through.
He sounds like one of those "smartest guys in the room" types who likes to talk but not listen. Very immature and very weak.
Deep down he knows it. Wouldn't be surprised if he fades away, yet again.
24 hours. Wake up, Give your word by posting roll and keep your word for 24 hours.Quote from: grizzlyhasclawsI hope he does too. I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy.br /br /All the help he needs is right here, the playbook has been written.br /br /The ball's in his court. Up to him if he wants to use it. br /br /I'll be here the entire time...Quote from: Diesel2112I won't invest my time into this guy until he proves he's serious. I hope he is serious and that he understands how the KTC program works.Quote from: KnockoutYour last post in November:br /br /" Spoken like a true dude that thinks 20 yr olds are morons. I can confidentally say cigars do nothing for me in the way chew does. Came here to quit chew, not occassional cigars, not change who I am or how I socialize. Im not quitting cigars. Plain and simple. Which means continuing to post roll would be useless. Because, again, I was posting to promise not to chew. And around thanksgiving cigars will be smoked reuniting with friends and family"He didn't get it then and I doubt he gets it now. br /br /He thinks it's a big fucking joke. br /br /A lot of people can go around saying they are going to give up an addiction but very few can pull it off.br /br /I believe the seperation comes when shit gets real. When one realizes, "fuck this sucks, this is really much harder than I thought.". It's at that point where people who truly want it find a way to push through and those who don't surrender and give up.br /br /Doesn't sound to me like he has what it takes to push through.br /br /He sounds like one of those "smartest guys in the room" types who likes to talk but not listen. Very immature and very weak. br /br /Deep down he knows it. Wouldn't be surprised if he fades away, yet again.
Diesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
True. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
He's at least posting role. He needs to answer the 3 questions and give his reasons why he's in it to win it this time.Quote from: MenaceTrue. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
Diesel, I agree with you, his group should hold him accountable and I have admittedly helped push the issue on the roll list. He was in my group last so I figure that gives me some juice as well to see what we can get. Well from his post which I have pasted below, it doesn't seem like much. His answers are contrite and totally self centered, like this place is a joke to him and now that is starting to piss me off. I would fight with anyone here to stay quit, even a caver. Shit we all make mistakes but I am not sure GQG gets it and if he doesn't he is a liability in my mind. Here is his reply to his group that was asking for the answers to the 3 questions:Quote from: jeeptruckHe's at least posting role. He needs to answer the 3 questions and give his reasons why he's in it to win it this time.Quote from: MenaceTrue. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
Should be up to his quit group to get this out of him.
Quit on...
It's a start at least.Quote from: Diesel2112Diesel, I agree with you, his group should hold him accountable and I have admittedly helped push the issue on the roll list. He was in my group last so I figure that gives me some juice as well to see what we can get. Well from his post which I have pasted below, it doesn't seem like much. His answers are contrite and totally self centered, like this place is a joke to him and now that is starting to piss me off. I would fight with anyone here to stay quit, even a caver. Shit we all make mistakes but I am not sure GQG gets it and if he doesn't he is a liability in my mind. Here is his reply to his group that was asking for the answers to the 3 questions:Quote from: jeeptruckHe's at least posting role. He needs to answer the 3 questions and give his reasons why he's in it to win it this time.Quote from: MenaceTrue. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
Should be up to his quit group to get this out of him.
Quit on...
Y'all are goddamn ridiculous. Shits 8 months old.
1. What happened
- I probably wasn't ready to quit chewing yet. Fell away from site. Continued to chew the past few months.
2. Why
- wasn't ready
- fell away from group
3. What to do differently
-Have already picked up Smokey mountain, stay more active in group when possible, take things one day at a time and if I find that too long I'll do one hour at a time.
Disregard the cigar thing. If this explanation isn't good enough for you don't bother replying or trying to get more out of me because I really don't give a damn. Leave me be to just keep posting roll and being honest with myself.
GQG
First levelheaded thing said towards me. Appreciated. The "when possible" refers to work. On days I work both jobs I'm not going to have any time at all to be online except to post roll in morning and maybe for a minute late at nightQuote from: MenaceIt's a start at least.Quote from: Diesel2112Diesel, I agree with you, his group should hold him accountable and I have admittedly helped push the issue on the roll list. He was in my group last so I figure that gives me some juice as well to see what we can get. Well from his post which I have pasted below, it doesn't seem like much. His answers are contrite and totally self centered, like this place is a joke to him and now that is starting to piss me off. I would fight with anyone here to stay quit, even a caver. Shit we all make mistakes but I am not sure GQG gets it and if he doesn't he is a liability in my mind. Here is his reply to his group that was asking for the answers to the 3 questions:Quote from: jeeptruckHe's at least posting role. He needs to answer the 3 questions and give his reasons why he's in it to win it this time.Quote from: MenaceTrue. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
Should be up to his quit group to get this out of him.
Quit on...
Y'all are goddamn ridiculous. Shits 8 months old.
1. What happened
- I probably wasn't ready to quit chewing yet. Fell away from site. Continued to chew the past few months.
2. Why
- wasn't ready
- fell away from group
3. What to do differently
-Have already picked up Smokey mountain, stay more active in group when possible, take things one day at a time and if I find that too long I'll do one hour at a time.
Disregard the cigar thing. If this explanation isn't good enough for you don't bother replying or trying to get more out of me because I really don't give a damn. Leave me be to just keep posting roll and being honest with myself.
GQG
I will say that whoever drug that post out about smoking an occasional cigarette or cigar is being a little unfair as he said that nearly a year ago, yet it is being made to look like he just said it. He has since changed his stance on that, and it probably should be let go.
He's posting roll and at least recognized he lost touch with hos group and the site, which lead to his cave. Seems to be leaving himself an out by saying he will stay more active in the group..."When possible".
Hopefully his group stays on his ass.
Quit on...
Good job posting roll. Keep it going.Quote from: Diesel2112First levelheaded thing said towards me. Appreciated. The "when possible" refers to work. On days I work both jobs I'm not going to have any time at all to be online except to post roll in morning and maybe for a minute late at nightQuote from: MenaceIt's a start at least.Quote from: Diesel2112Diesel, I agree with you, his group should hold him accountable and I have admittedly helped push the issue on the roll list. He was in my group last so I figure that gives me some juice as well to see what we can get. Well from his post which I have pasted below, it doesn't seem like much. His answers are contrite and totally self centered, like this place is a joke to him and now that is starting to piss me off. I would fight with anyone here to stay quit, even a caver. Shit we all make mistakes but I am not sure GQG gets it and if he doesn't he is a liability in my mind. Here is his reply to his group that was asking for the answers to the 3 questions:Quote from: jeeptruckHe's at least posting role. He needs to answer the 3 questions and give his reasons why he's in it to win it this time.Quote from: MenaceTrue. im still picking the poop from my hairQuote from: Diesel2112Agreed, man up and every fighter in this place will back you!Quote from: MenaceDiesel, You probably hurt his feelings already, he might need his Mommy reassuring him that he is great, that he is really super. Maybe we can all chip in and get him a participation trophy for his last stoppage........ This guy didn't get it the first time and still doesn't get it now. F%king clueless! He still thinks this is a habit that he controls...........Pointless to waste valuable time on someone who does not have the desire to actually understand his addiction nor the guts put forth the effort to QUIT. Come back when you are serious about quitting!He's hurt MY feelings by coming in here weak as fuck and shitting on everybody who tried to help him previously.
How about manning the fuck up and show some fight? Nah, instead he's just going to sit back and take it all. If me being "mean" to him chases him away, then like I said previously he really doesn't want it.
Answer the 3 questions, say your sorry, post role and make a true commitment and I will fight side by side with him.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
Should be up to his quit group to get this out of him.
Quit on...
Y'all are goddamn ridiculous. Shits 8 months old.
1. What happened
- I probably wasn't ready to quit chewing yet. Fell away from site. Continued to chew the past few months.
2. Why
- wasn't ready
- fell away from group
3. What to do differently
-Have already picked up Smokey mountain, stay more active in group when possible, take things one day at a time and if I find that too long I'll do one hour at a time.
Disregard the cigar thing. If this explanation isn't good enough for you don't bother replying or trying to get more out of me because I really don't give a damn. Leave me be to just keep posting roll and being honest with myself.
GQG
I will say that whoever drug that post out about smoking an occasional cigarette or cigar is being a little unfair as he said that nearly a year ago, yet it is being made to look like he just said it. He has since changed his stance on that, and it probably should be let go.
He's posting roll and at least recognized he lost touch with hos group and the site, which lead to his cave. Seems to be leaving himself an out by saying he will stay more active in the group..."When possible".
Hopefully his group stays on his ass.
Quit on...
GQG,Not convinced at all. It is going to take a lot more than a post a day based on his track record and attitude previously.... I would have been doing back flips and giving people hundreds of reasons why they should support me me after I shit all over them. What do I know though? Obviously he has this thing all figured out.
I have zero issues if the only thing you do is post roll each day and do what you can. I do the same during the week a lot of times because of time constraint's. Nor do I hold you to your post a year ago about cigars. My consternation is the flippant way you responded to the group asking you to answer the 3 questions. You have been around enough to know that this is the way it is done and the the tone of your answers were "I'm the victim here" not like someone actually owning up to their mistakes/failures in the past.........just my read on it.....
Hey I’m Pat. Unfortunately this isn’t my first time on KTC. I gave it a go about 7 years ago, and well that didn’t quite work out. Was much younger and much much dumber. I hope I’m doing this right with a new introduction. Couldn’t find any info on how to go about coming back and no one was online in chat. Anyways, I’ve quit today. The time was coming soon and after an eye opening trip to dentist, I’m back ready to stay quit with one less tooth than the last go around. Never really felt any previous quit attempts were for myself, but this ones for me and my body.
I know this sites got some good detectives and my previous posts will be brought up so I’ll address them now. I get it, no cigars in my future either. (Again was much younger and much dumber)
Looking forward to this,
Grizzlyquittergreen
I merged your new intro with your original one. Each member only gets one intro.
It appears you had a pretty rocky history here. Has your mindset changed? Do you realize you are an addict and have accepted that fact?
KTC is a ZERO nicotine site. Using nicotine in any form while here will result in an immediate ban.
Make your promise early every damn day and keep your word. Only you can quit for you. Be ready to be held accountable and hold others accountable.
What happened?
Hard to really remember what happened it was so long ago. I’m sure I just got tired of the shit feeling and caved. It was definitely the easy way out.
Why did it happen?
I don’t think I thought I was done dipping yet at the time. I knew I shouldn’t, I knew other people thought I shouldn’t. And I think I convinced myself that I really wanted to quit, but inside I was fine with dipping for the rest of my life at the time.
What are you going to do differently this time?
This time I’m gonna take it more seriously. Definitely best to avoid some triggers for awhile, ie fishing and drinking. I’m gonna give it at least a month before I crack open a beer. Also just straight up avoid going into gas station for awhile, pay at the pump.
@grizzlyquittergreen (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4994) I am with stranger on this one. Dude, you just don’t seem like your ready to quit and those are excuses I gave for 30 plus years. You need to make this decision and stick to it ONE DAY AT A TIME!!! I am at day 519 today and I finally am getting to where I am feeling darn good. I still have issues to tend to and praying that it is the big cause of all my issues. Crappy feeling everyday since quitting is normal until things are fixed. Go read my intro dude and you will see what I have dealt with. Some people will support you and some won’t, get used to it. You will have daily triggers that will test you and that is what you will fight with the most. Others have dealt with more and have lost their life because of tobacco. I am an addict just like you and if I can save one person then how many more can be saved. Quit with you today my friend and my digits are a pm away.What happened?
Hard to really remember what happened it was so long ago. I’m sure I just got tired of the shit feeling and caved. It was definitely the easy way out.
Why did it happen?
I don’t think I thought I was done dipping yet at the time. I knew I shouldn’t, I knew other people thought I shouldn’t. And I think I convinced myself that I really wanted to quit, but inside I was fine with dipping for the rest of my life at the time.
What are you going to do differently this time?
This time I’m gonna take it more seriously. Definitely best to avoid some triggers for awhile, ie fishing and drinking. I’m gonna give it at least a month before I crack open a beer. Also just straight up avoid going into gas station for awhile, pay at the pump.
Your response to question 1 tells me that you didn't take the last quit seriously at all. Why would you know what happened when caving was so easy and forgettable. You lacked the effort to quit.
Your response to question 2 is standard retread talk. You were ready to post roll for a few days but not ready to quit. Now 6 years have gone by.
Your response to question 3 makes me question your commitment. Do you think you will be cured in a month by passing on fishing, beer, and convenience stores?
The path to quit is to take it one day at a time and quit every damn day.
Fighting through a kidney stone right now. Maybe a blessing and a curse. Curse because I’ve got these shit withdrawal feelings compounded with the feeling that my kidney is trying to claw its way out of me. A blessing because sometimes it’s so painful I’m almost distracted from everything else. Also seems that the pain relievers might be killing to birds at once.
Kidney stone + nicotine = 2 problems