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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: mvvette97 on May 24, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
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Hey all, I'm a newbe here. I came across this site and thought it may be good for me just knowing I'm not alone. I'm almost 35 years old and started smoking when I was 17. I finally quit smoking about 4 years ago and would never go back to it. I started chewing to be able to quit smoking and now I'm hooked. I only have 1/2 a can left so I plan on not buying anymore. People tell me to just throw it away but just like with smoking I couldn't do that, I had to finish it off and just not buy after that. I did order some of this Oregon Mint chew with no tobacco or nicotine so I'm gunna give that a try. I'm just tired of brushing my teeth and spitting blood. Anyway that's my story :P Hope to chat with you all sometime..
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Hey all, I'm a newbe here. I came across this site and thought it may be good for me just knowing I'm not alone. I'm almost 35 years old and started smoking when I was 17. I finally quit smoking about 4 years ago and would never go back to it. I started chewing to be able to quit smoking and now I'm hooked. I only have 1/2 a can left so I plan on not buying anymore. People tell me to just throw it away but just like with smoking I couldn't do that, I had to finish it off and just not buy after that. I did order some of this Oregon Mint chew with no tobacco or nicotine so I'm gunna give that a try. I'm just tired of brushing my teeth and spitting blood. Anyway that's my story :P Hope to chat with you all sometime..
Welcome - I hope you make the decision to toss that shit like yesterday. The cost of a half a tin is not worth you getting cancer and dying.
If you need we can take up a collection to reimburse you - should be about a copper penny from each registered member! :D
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yea I think I can do this. I know for sure that a person has to be ready to quit. Just like when I quit smoking I had tried many times but failed. Finally the last time I was able to quit and it didn't even bother me. I had thought about the patched but I didn't ever have any luck with them when I smoked so I don't know if it would be any better with chew. I'm just gunna not buy any more skoal and just try to chew this non tobacco stuff.
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Hey all, I'm a newbe here. I came across this site and thought it may be good for me just knowing I'm not alone. Um... that's cool... I think.
I'm almost 35 years old and started smoking when I was 17. I finally quit smoking about 4 years ago and would never go back to it. I started chewing to be able to quit smoking and now I'm hooked. You get zero bonus points for quitting smoking by starting on dip. You just continued a full-on nicotine addiction by switching forms of nicotine delivery... and you didn't "become hooked", you stayed hooked.
I only have 1/2 a can left so I plan on not buying anymore. Just not buying more is bullshit; you will always run out at an inopportune time and then plan to quit after the next can runs out. Also, what about the dips you bum from buddies? Quitting will never be an accident - you have to make it happen.
People tell me to just throw it away but just like with smoking I couldn't do that, I had to finish it off and just not buy after that. You should listen to those People.
I did order some of this Oregon Mint chew with no tobacco or nicotine so I'm gunna give that a try. You can't just give quitting a try. You have to actually do it.
I'm just tired of brushing my teeth and spitting blood. Is that really the only reason you're quitting? I don't know if that will be enough to make it stick.
Anyway that's my story :P Hope to chat with you all sometime.. That's cool, see you around i guess?
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yea I think I can do this. I'm not feeling it.
I know for sure that a person has to be ready to quit. OK, I'll buy that, are you ready?
Just like when I quit smoking I had tried many times but failed. Finally the last time I was able to quit and it didn't even bother me. Oh... see the part about zero bonus points above...
I had thought about the patched but I didn't ever have any luck with them when I smoked so I don't know if it would be any better with chew. Nothing about quitting involves luck. YOU must take responsibility for quitting, and YOU must decide to quit. No nicotine replacement therapy, no cutting back or quitting later, just quit.
I'm just gunna not buy any more skoal and just try to chew this non tobacco stuff. Nope... can't just try and hope it goes away. You have to make a rock-solid decision to quit. Right now as you read this. No other time will work. You've been putting this off for 18± years, START RIGHT NOW.
You are dealing with a serious addiction here. You can not fuck around with quitting and expect to succeed. You must decide without any reservations that right now is the time to quit, and that you will, without a doubt, stay quit. Nothing short of that level of commitment will work.
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One last thing... if you can bring yourself to make the decision to quit, I can tell you that the rewards of being quit are well worth the pain and struggle of quitting. This site has hundreds of members who have successfully quit, and they will all tell you the same thing: it is worth it.
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so what is it. the first month or so the hardest? I honestly feel it's more mental than anything. I know when I quit smoking for a while I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day. Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine addiction.
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so what is it. the first month or so the hardest? I honestly feel it's more mental than anything. I know when I quit smoking for a while I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day. Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine addiction.
It's different for everyone. Generally the majority of the physical withdrawals happen in the first three or four days, and the worst of the fog and mind games last about two weeks. The "about two weeks" can vary wildly from person to person.
Habit is a HUGE part of it, but the habit is not what controls your life and kills you. The tobacco does that. You need to quit the tobacco.
The reason I picked your post apart is that I heard the ambiguity that leads to a cave in nearly every single sentence. You have to really want this and really mean it. Just think about it: this is an addiction that has people smoking cigarettes through holes in their trachea after surgeons have cut out their cancerous throats. You have to take this seriously and face the problem you've created for yourself.
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so what is it. the first month or so the hardest? I honestly feel it's more mental than anything. I know when I quit smoking for a while I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day. Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine addiction.
Did you quit yet? No nicotene for a day?
The best thing to do is to simply quit. Don't think about it, don't worry about it, don't over-analyze it. Just do it. Do it right now if you haven't quit yet.
Don't worry about the first month, or day or hour. Just quit right now for the next 60 seconds. Worry about the next minute after that when it gets here.
You are an addict. You are addicted to nicotene. You have to break that addiction cuz it's damn sure gonna break you.
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so what is it. the first month or so the hardest? I honestly feel it's more mental than anything. I know when I quit smoking for a while I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day. Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine addiction.
so what is it. the first month or so the hardest?
Doesn't matter what was the hardest month, day, year, etc...what matters is that you're quit and that you're committed to it!I still felt like I was craving a smoke but yet I was getting the nicotine from the chew. That proves right there that it's not so much craving nicotine but rather the habit of doing the same thing every day.
Don't bullshit yourself...that craving is caused by your addiction to nicotine not by doing the same thing everyday. The nicotine is what you're craving whether you want to believe it or not...sugar coating it by saying it's habit is pure b.s.Oh and I am happy with myself about quitting smoking even though I started chewing to replace it because that proves that I can break a habit that I had done for many years. Not sayin a nicotine addiction but the habit. I feel the habit of doing something at certain times every day is just as bad or worse than the nicotine
You should be very happy about quitting, it's something not everyone can do or handle. However, don't replace one bad habit with another. Chewing is actually more addicting because it's in your bloodstream almost instantly. I don't think that having a daily habit is necessarily bad, it just depends on the habit. Putting the love stick to the ol' bird on a daily basis isn't a bad habit, plus it doesn't cause cancer like nicotine does. I don't feel that would be something bad or worse than nicotine if done every day.
I get your point, however replacing a bad habit with another one doesn't justify beating the nicotine addiciton. You quit smoking but replaced it with dipping. Now quit dipping and replace it with something positive, like staying quit and posting roll in your quit group everyday! You can do this, we can help you but only if you choose to quit can we help. I don't think you'd be here if you didn't want to quit. This site is for quitters, not wanna be's.
Bottom line: Quitting isn't easy, there will be days when you're frustrated, angry, pissed off, etc... You can get through those days, we've all been there and still have them to this day. We want to be quit and we want you to be quit too! You are the one to decide if quitting is truely what you want!
I'm quit and hope you will be too!
MF
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You should be very happy about quitting, it's something not everyone can do or handle.
Everyone CAN quit!!
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I'm not bullshitting myself, I know for a damn fact that I was in no way craving nicotine when i had a chew in my mouth. All I can say is that even while chewing I still wanted to smoke. It was a habit that I had made part of my life. Sure if I didn't have a chew I would crave but I would want to smoke even while chewing. That is the habit part coming in effect. Anyway my skoal has ran out and I have no more. I have been chewing that herbal crap and so far I'm doing good. They claim this crap is not bad for ya in any way but I don't know. I do know it has no tobacco or nicotine. Doesn't taste worth a damn either. 'libs2'
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trust me...there is no "cure" without will. I am only three days in, but I had tried everything before. Tried Chantix...worked till I quit taking the medicine. tried patches and what not....
THERE IS NO EASY WAY OUT.
grow a pair....
p.s. day 3 sucks
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I'm not bullshitting myself, I know for a damn fact that I was in no way craving nicotine when i had a chew in my mouth. All I can say is that even while chewing I still wanted to smoke. It was a habit that I had made part of my life. Sure if I didn't have a chew I would crave but I would want to smoke even while chewing. That is the habit part coming in effect. Anyway my skoal has ran out and I have no more. I have been chewing that herbal crap and so far I'm doing good. They claim this crap is not bad for ya in any way but I don't know. I do know it has no tobacco or nicotine. Doesn't taste worth a damn either. 'libs2'
Since the habit of smoking or having something in your mouth plays such a large roll in your habit, I would recommend staying with the herbal for a while longer. Let your body unfuck itself from the nicotine withdrawals, then deal with the oral fixation.
I'll be here if you need a replacement....
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well it's been months since I have been on here and failed several time trying to quit but finally I have done it. It's been almost two months now and my gums are all healed up. :D Had to chew alot of gum and still am but finally kicked the habit. I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again. So glad I quit.
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well it's been months since I have been on here and failed several time trying to quit but finally I have done it. It's been almost two months now and my gums are all healed up. :D Had to chew alot of gum and still am but finally kicked the habit. I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again. So glad I quit.
Wow. Um.....GREAT.
How about you start posting roll everyday with us? Certainly some added accountability can't hurt.
While you are at it, chuck that can. That my friend, is a cave waiting to happen.
EDIT - and congrats on 2 months but by no means have you "finally DONE it". Fighting this addiction is a daily battle that we all will have to fight (to some degree) for the rest of our lives.
....just sayin'
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well it's been months since I have been on here and failed several time trying to quit but finally I have done it. It's been almost two months now and my gums are all healed up. :D Had to chew alot of gum and still am but finally kicked the habit. I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again. So glad I quit.
Wow. Um.....GREAT.
How about you start posting roll everyday with us? Certainly some added accountability can't hurt.
While you are at it, chuck that can. That my friend, is a cave waiting to happen.
EDIT - and congrats on 2 months but by no means have you "finally DONE it". Fighting this addiction is a daily battle that we all will have to fight (to some degree) for the rest of our lives.
....just sayin'
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Shit I am on 251 days, and I haven't kicked the habit yet.
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
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with me it's more of a habit than an addiction. I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental. With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going. This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different. When I say I will never chew again I mean it. I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit. I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it. When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really. I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.
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with me it's more of a habit than an addiction. I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental. With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going. This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different. When I say I will never chew again I mean it. I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit. I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it. When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really. I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.
Honestly I don't think this really requires a response but you caught me in a pissy mood so I'll play along.
With me it's more of a habit than an addiction." - that's like saying to your wife that you got a blow job but didn't fuck the other chick so you didn't cheat. Don't fool yourself. You're an addict.
"I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again." - Yeah... except for the fact that you started chewing. Hey honey... you'll be so proud of me! I quit drinking Jack Daniels. Hey... can you fill up my Wild Turkey?
"Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental." - Honestly... I think you're fucked in the head.
"With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going." - So you replaced smoking with chewing... what did you replace chewing with? Please don't say Snus. My head may explode.
"I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it." - You've found this when? In all of your past successful quits? Other than the context, this is the first correct thing you've said.
"When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really." - Nic bitch is a tricky little thing.
"I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again." - Oh... OK. What will happen after you've quit for a couple of months again and you're no longer worried about your health? Guess it'll be OK to go back cause you're no longer worried right?
"easy as pie if you want to." - 'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
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with me it's more of a habit than an addiction. I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental. With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going. This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different. When I say I will never chew again I mean it. I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit. I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it. When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really. I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.
Honestly I don't think this really requires a response but you caught me in a pissy mood so I'll play along.
With me it's more of a habit than an addiction." - that's like saying to your wife that you got a blow job but didn't fuck the other chick so you didn't cheat. Don't fool yourself. You're an addict.
"I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again." - Yeah... except for the fact that you started chewing. Hey honey... you'll be so proud of me! I quit drinking Jack Daniels. Hey... can you fill up my Wild Turkey?
"Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental." - Honestly... I think you're fucked in the head.
"With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going." - So you replaced smoking with chewing... what did you replace chewing with? Please don't say Snus. My head may explode.
"I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it." - You've found this when? In all of your past successful quits? Other than the context, this is the first correct thing you've said.
"When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really." - Nic bitch is a tricky little thing.
"I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything. I said hell with it and started chewing again." - Oh... OK. What will happen after you've quit for a couple of months again and you're no longer worried about your health? Guess it'll be OK to go back cause you're no longer worried right?
"easy as pie if you want to." - 'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
I once knew this guy Jerry, he used to work here. Older guy. Told me one day he threw away his pack of cigarettes and that was it. Never had one again. Was i don't know, 10 years quit at the time he told me that story.
True story.
I'm not going to piss on your theory. It can happen. But the statistics are against you. I used to be like that, anything I put my mind to i could do. And then I would get so pissed when I couldn't use that to quit dippin. Too hard.
Anyway, good luck. But I do believe you are playing with fire.
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So this is the point where I just HAVE to ask....
If this is so easy and you are doing so fan-fucking-tastic, why are you here? Why post again today? Something must have spurred you in to action this morning.
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
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'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
You quit for two months so you think your quit? Stop it your making my sides hurt, I havent laughed that hard in months. I don't know where to start with you so I'm not even going to bother. However, one little gem you might want to think about is. The first person you need to stop lying to is probably yourself. Then you can deal with your"habit" from a realistic perspective. Until then :rolleyes: your just ridiculous.
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Chief. Donate your brain to science like that amnesiac guy. We need to slice it into a million pieces and examine it in detail. The man who could not see his can of chew.
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with me it's more of a habit than an addiction.
---I tried to convince myself this was the case for the first few weeks I dipped/smoked. When I found myself thinking about buying a can, its an addiction. If you think about it constantly, its an addiction. If you physically go out of your way to get it, its an addiction. If you feel the need to use it, its a.....what? That's right, an addiction!
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I was the same way when I smoked. It was almost impossible to quit but after I made my mind up it was nothing. After my mind was made up I never wanted another smoke again. The chewing is going the same way. Never had a nicotine craving after quitting from either one. I honestly think it's all mental.
---Are you seriously going on a quitting help board and telling addicts, like all of us, that its not that hard? It is certainly NOT all mental. Nicotine is an extremely addictive substance. My friend who still smokes and has done every drug in the book (he's from LA :P) says quitting is harder than Heroin and Cocaine!
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With both things I had to find something to replace it and after that it was smooth going.
---I went through this stage as do many people. "I'll only smoke from now on. Oh wait, this is not the same as dip. I think I'll chew again but only a can." And so on. It doesn't work that way. Replacement isn't quitting and its just as dangerous. They mean it when they say "there is no safe cigarette". What helped me understand the dangers was the process of curing and spraying and all. Plus knowing what they put in Tobacco. I never had a class on dipping in school during our drug program. Cigarettes really were not covered well either. This was during a big Heroin epidemic of the early 90s so that, along with Marijuana, Cocaine, inhalants and PCP were what was covered. All I knew was that there was tar in cigarettes and that they make you cough.
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This is just me though, I'm sure everybody is different.
---Granted some people find it easier to quit than others and motivation and health play a big part. I have tumors all over my lip, along my jawline, floor of mouth, and on my tongue. I've only been quit for 9 days now but I honestly have no desire to ever do either again. I'm not trying to sound high and mighty or anything, I'm still an addict. I still feel the physical effects from a craving and I think about dip and cigarettes during the day. I still have the need but not the want. If that makes sense.
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When I say I will never chew again I mean it.
---That's great and I hope it works for you.
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I said the same thing about smoking two weeks after I quit.
---Just my opinion, but I would argue that you never had quit by switching.
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I have found that ya have to want to quit and honestly want to or there will be no way to do it.
---You really do need to want it but my "attempts" before always resulted in the Nicotine winning. Or rather, myself failing to control the physical desire.
When I first posted here last spring I thought I wanted to quit but I didn't really.
---I signed up last spring too and realized after a while that it wasn't going to work because I enjoyed it too much. If it was something I didn't physically enjoy, it would be easier.
I wanted to quit but not enough that I was worring aboutv my health or anything.
---You really should. I'm only 23 and I have lesions all over my jaw line, lip, tongue and base of my mouth. They are painful and sometimes bleed and they have been growing over the past couple months and spreading. I couldn't afford a doctor since my old job I got layed off and my new job's benefits don't kick in until this summer.
Fortunately, a friend of mine is in medicine and recognized this as possible carcinoma when I told him something didn't feel right. Not even two years of tobacco and its ruined much of my life (if you want some examples I have posted a thread in motivation forum). I finally can afford some basic tests now that I am receiving paychecks again. If that doesn't scare you straight, I had an irregular heart beat, tightness in my chest and felt lightheaded a couple weeks ago. I had to go to the E.R. and stayed overnight. Doctor said my blood pressure was extremely high and asked if I was on drugs. I told him dip, a little bit of beer once in a while and an occasional smoke. He said that even though I'm not in bad shape, this stuff can skyrocket your blood pressure. That was the first I had ever heard of that.
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I said hell with it and started chewing again. Then one morning I woke up and said no more and I haven't had a chew since. easy as pie if you want to.
---There is nothing as easy as pie about this. I'm glad you haven't relapsed for so long but addiction can be lifelong mentally if not physically. My grandfather hasn't smoked since the 1940's but he still gets a craving for a cigarette in the morning or after a meal. It isn't super intense like it is for someone who just quit, but it's always there I imagine.
Sorry that was so long, but it helps to talk about this kind of stuff. When I saw your post, I was immediately disgusted at you saying how easy it is to quit in front of us but I tried to just give you my perspective rather than ripping you.
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'horsecrap' quit any way you can....just do it...... post roll everyday......everyday
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What the fuck is wrong with you people? If you are having all this trouble then I would say you aren't ready to quit. If your not ready to quit then chew like hell because you are wasting your damn time. For you smartass people that act like retards on here let me make this simple you you may be able to understand. Chewing= bitch to quit if not ready to quit. Now read very slow! Sick of chewing because of gums bleeding and fear of oral cancer=quit chewing. It's not hard when you fear your life. Now you haters can blow me because I have quit and feel no need to chew again. My life is way more important than that shit in a can. Maybe you need to figure out what is more important. Hate all you want but when you get a scare like I did you will understand how easy it is to quit. Till then just shut up and keep chewing.
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I was reading some more of your crap and yes it is easy to quit IF you fear for your health. I had all kinds of crazy shit in my mouth that hurt like hell and would bleed. Doctor told me to quit and told me to come back in two weeks because he said it possibly could be cancer. That scared the shit out of me so bad that I just quit and to my surprise I have not even wanted a chew since. Now yes when I tried to quit the 10 times before it was horrible. I felt like I was going crazy and always just gave in to the chew. So no it's not easy to quit unless you think you have cancer then you will be surprised how easy it is.
For the user below that said he was like 23 and has sores and bleeding well I was the same way and still chewed. You say you can't afford to go to the doctor well find a way to afford it. I'm sure cancer has crossed your mind because we all know the ricks of chewing. All it took was for a doctor to say possible start of cancer and the wake up call started. You were talking about smoking well I tried to quit that many times and failed also but once again a fear for my health is what it took to quit. It wasn't the fear of cancer but the horrible problem with my breathing. O2 levels were in the upper 80s and had to suck on a damn albuteral all day long to breath. Fear can be your friend with some things.
You guys with the attitude problem why don't you change your tampon and put forth your hatred to the chew, it's the enemy not me 'Crazy'
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess some people would but somebody with brains wouldn't.
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess there are some dumb people around.
Listen dufus, the answer to your question above is yes a million times yes. I have watched more people than I care to count cave after they have been quit and healed MUCH MUCH longer than you. Your running good right now cuz your coming off a scare, but your so over confident about it you WILL get complacent, Recently a guy caved after 500 plus days, a month back another one fell after 800 days. Wanna know why? In my opinion they forgot they were addicts. Wanna know sumptin else? so are you. I applaud your quit, but your over confident. Im no pussy weakling quitter either. I dipped 2 cans a day and could smoke a pack on top of that if the mood hit me. I was a full fledged nic addict. This shit is waaaaaay harder than you realize, and the fact that you don't know that yet means your not even close to understanding the depths of your own addiction. Just settle down a bit and stop announcing how awesome you are. Post roll til the Hof and then I'll tell you your awesome. In the mean time throw that fucking trophy can away, or at least piss in it.
and by the way a health scare won't be enough to keep you quit, I dipped on the way in and out of my biopsy. And before you call me stupid I am logging off to read Aristotle in latin because the German translation to english dilutes the meaning of the text. Were addicts not idiots.
Skoal Monster
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess there are some dumb people around.
Listen dufus, the answer to your question above is yes a million times yes. I have watched more people than I care to count cave after they have been quit and healed MUCH MUCH longer than you. Your running good right now cuz your coming off a scare, but your so over confident about it you WILL get complacent, Recently a guy caved after 500 plus days, a month back another one fell after 800 days. Wanna know why? In my opinion they forgot they were addicts. Wanna know sumptin else? so are you. I applaud your quit, but your over confident. Im no pussy weakling quitter either. I dipped 2 cans a day and could smoke a pack on top of that if the mood hit me. I was a full fledged nic addict. This shit is waaaaaay harder than you realize, and the fact that you don't know that yet means your not even close to understanding the depths of your own addiction. Just settle down a bit and stop announcing how awesome you are. Post roll til the Hof and then I'll tell you your awesome. In the mean time throw that fucking trophy can away, or at least piss in it.
and by the way a health scare won't be enough to keep you quit, I dipped on the way in and out of my biopsy. And before you call me stupid I am logging off to read Aristotle in latin because the German translation to english dilutes the meaning of the text. Were addicts not idiots.
Skoal Monster
I feel if you keep in your mind that your an addict then you keep chewing in your mind. i feel the best thing to do is get chew out of your life even forgetting your an addict. Besides after seeing my ex boss smoke 5 packs every day and just quit the next makes me realize that it IS possible to just drop the habit. He has been about 10 years without smokes so it can be done. You people that say NO WAY IT CAN'T BE DONE don't know fucking shit! Just because you yourself have trouble and may not be able to do it doesn't mean everybody else is the same way. I guess I'm sorry that you are having trouble but I'm fuckin happy I'm not. Maybe it's possible that I never really was addicted to it. I only chewed a can a week if that and sometimes just one dip a day. I can see how a heavy chewer would have a major addiction. I don't give a shit what you think or your opinion since your a guy with an attitude or a cob up your ass or something. I kinda find your hatred amusing
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking
dude i've fucking died before, don't talk to me about scared
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
open heart surgery
implanted defibrilators
evaluated for a heart transplant
all before i was 25...now i am 40, hell i figured my heart would give out before i could develop cancer so why stop. if you read the hof speeches on the site and actively participated then you'd know what "had enough means"
i am glad you're quit but you don't come in our house and tell us how fucking easy it was for your fucking sixth post
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess there are some dumb people around.
Listen dufus, the answer to your question above is yes a million times yes. I have watched more people than I care to count cave after they have been quit and healed MUCH MUCH longer than you. Your running good right now cuz your coming off a scare, but your so over confident about it you WILL get complacent, Recently a guy caved after 500 plus days, a month back another one fell after 800 days. Wanna know why? In my opinion they forgot they were addicts. Wanna know sumptin else? so are you. I applaud your quit, but your over confident. Im no pussy weakling quitter either. I dipped 2 cans a day and could smoke a pack on top of that if the mood hit me. I was a full fledged nic addict. This shit is waaaaaay harder than you realize, and the fact that you don't know that yet means your not even close to understanding the depths of your own addiction. Just settle down a bit and stop announcing how awesome you are. Post roll til the Hof and then I'll tell you your awesome. In the mean time throw that fucking trophy can away, or at least piss in it.
and by the way a health scare won't be enough to keep you quit, I dipped on the way in and out of my biopsy. And before you call me stupid I am logging off to read Aristotle in latin because the German translation to english dilutes the meaning of the text. Were addicts not idiots.
Skoal Monster
I feel if you keep in your mind that your an addict then you keep chewing in your mind. i feel the best thing to do is get chew out of your life even forgetting your an addict. Besides after seeing my ex boss smoke 5 packs every day and just quit the next makes me realize that it IS possible to just drop the habit. He has been about 10 years without smokes so it can be done. You people that say NO WAY IT CAN'T BE DONE don't know fucking shit! Just because you yourself have trouble and may not be able to do it doesn't mean everybody else is the same way. I guess I'm sorry that you are having trouble but I'm fuckin happy I'm not. Maybe it's possible that I never really was addicted to it. I only chewed a can a week if that and sometimes just one dip a day. I can see how a heavy chewer would have a major addiction. I don't give a shit what you think or your opinion since your a guy with an attitude or a cob up your ass or something. I kinda find your hatred amusing
no hatred, just a disagreement. I think remembering your an addict keeps you quit.
My question to you twinkle toes is this. Are you currently cold turkey from nicotine?
In all forms?
Chewie asked you that and you didn't reply.
If you are then good for you, keep it up. I'm not saying its impossible to quit, or even that you can't do it YOUR way. I am saying I've seen more people fail doing it "your" way than not.
SM
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking
dude i've fucking died before, don't talk to me about scared
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
open heart surgery
implanted defibrilators
evaluated for a heart transplant
all before i was 25...now i am 40, hell i figured my heart would give out before i could develop cancer so why stop. if you read the hof speeches on the site and actively participated then you'd know what "had enough means"
i am glad you're quit but you don't come in our house and tell us how fucking easy it was for your fucking sixth post
well if death won't make you quit then you sir are fucked up. So cry me a fuckin river. If your so damn sick with all these problem then maybe you should get your head out of your ass and figure out what to do to make your life better. If you don't care about your life then I'm sure nobody else does either. Rather than tryin to get everybody to feel sorry for ya with all your problems maybe you should take that energy and put it in to fixing your problem. Bitching about it gets you nowhere. Oh and I've been through hell myself from the age of 9 up to 16 years of age so shut your hole and deal with it. I had to and I don't start listing all the problems hoping to get people to feel sorry for me.
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I even have a can of chew by my computer and don't even want to take a dip. I found that I had to buy a new can just to have. It seemed to make me feel better just knowing I had it there. I can say that I will never chew again.
Congratulations... you just caved.
Perhaps not today, perhaps not next week but it will happen. Fucking get rid of that can or you WILL fail. Period end of fucking story.
You know why it makes you feel better to have it there? Cause you see it as a way out. You're seeing it as something that "eventually... you'll be able to enjoy occasionally". Bullshit. You're an addict my friend. You can't have one ever. Seeing it there ever day will eventually lead you back to it... especially when you're going it alone.
You can say that you'll never chew again all you want. Until that can is gone I'll say that you're a cave waiting to happen.
Sorry to shit on your parade. 2 months is a great achievement and you should be damn proud of it but you're no where near being out of the woods and you certainly shouldn't temp fate by having a safety can at your disposal.
Hell... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the nearly 5,000 people and 3+ years here hasn't shown me anything. I hope you're the first person in my time here at KTC that is stronger than our addiction. That would be cool.
chewie
Oh the can I bought was the day after I quit. the second day was the worst. Oh and why in the fuck would I start back up after I have healed? It's not rocket science to figure out that the chew was the cause of all the bloody sores. I mean would you stick your head in a ball of fire again if you tried it once and burned the shit out of ya? Well I guess there are some dumb people around.
Listen dufus, the answer to your question above is yes a million times yes. I have watched more people than I care to count cave after they have been quit and healed MUCH MUCH longer than you. Your running good right now cuz your coming off a scare, but your so over confident about it you WILL get complacent, Recently a guy caved after 500 plus days, a month back another one fell after 800 days. Wanna know why? In my opinion they forgot they were addicts. Wanna know sumptin else? so are you. I applaud your quit, but your over confident. Im no pussy weakling quitter either. I dipped 2 cans a day and could smoke a pack on top of that if the mood hit me. I was a full fledged nic addict. This shit is waaaaaay harder than you realize, and the fact that you don't know that yet means your not even close to understanding the depths of your own addiction. Just settle down a bit and stop announcing how awesome you are. Post roll til the Hof and then I'll tell you your awesome. In the mean time throw that fucking trophy can away, or at least piss in it.
and by the way a health scare won't be enough to keep you quit, I dipped on the way in and out of my biopsy. And before you call me stupid I am logging off to read Aristotle in latin because the German translation to english dilutes the meaning of the text. Were addicts not idiots.
Skoal Monster
I feel if you keep in your mind that your an addict then you keep chewing in your mind. i feel the best thing to do is get chew out of your life even forgetting your an addict. Besides after seeing my ex boss smoke 5 packs every day and just quit the next makes me realize that it IS possible to just drop the habit. He has been about 10 years without smokes so it can be done. You people that say NO WAY IT CAN'T BE DONE don't know fucking shit! Just because you yourself have trouble and may not be able to do it doesn't mean everybody else is the same way. I guess I'm sorry that you are having trouble but I'm fuckin happy I'm not. Maybe it's possible that I never really was addicted to it. I only chewed a can a week if that and sometimes just one dip a day. I can see how a heavy chewer would have a major addiction. I don't give a shit what you think or your opinion since your a guy with an attitude or a cob up your ass or something. I kinda find your hatred amusing
no hatred, just a disagreement. I think remembering your an addict keeps you quit.
My question to you twinkle toes is this. Are you currently cold turkey from nicotine?
In all forms?
Chewie asked you that and you didn't reply.
If you are then good for you, keep it up. I'm not saying its impossible to quit, or even that you can't do it YOUR way. I am saying I've seen more people fail doing it "your" way than not.
SM
Yes sir I am. I just chew on Eclipse spearmint gum since the worse habit for me was not having something to taste and chew on. It has worked great for me. I hate sounding like a dick but some of you guys started it. No need to act like you hate the world. I can't tell you all why it wasn't that hard for me but it really way. I wish you all could quit just as easy. I'
m sure some of you have. Like I said I didn't chew very much so possibly I really wasn't addicted to the nicotine but more the habit, who knows.
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This is one strange thread. On the one hand, you have some of the most respected, experienced quitters on this site coming in to offer hard earned experience and advice. On the other, you have the man with the better mousetrap.
vette: I think everyone is sincerly glad that you are quit and hope that you stay that way. What doesn't make sense is why you came back to tell us about it and explain how the tried and true ktc method is really just weakness and lack of willpower. What is the point?
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking
dude i've fucking died before, don't talk to me about scared
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
open heart surgery
implanted defibrilators
evaluated for a heart transplant
all before i was 25...now i am 40, hell i figured my heart would give out before i could develop cancer so why stop. if you read the hof speeches on the site and actively participated then you'd know what "had enough means"
i am glad you're quit but you don't come in our house and tell us how fucking easy it was for your fucking sixth post
well if death won't make you quit then you sir are fucked up. So cry me a fuckin river. If your so damn sick with all these problem then maybe you should get your head out of your ass and figure out what to do to make your life better. If you don't care about your life then I'm sure nobody else does either. Rather than tryin to get everybody to feel sorry for ya with all your problems maybe you should take that energy and put it in to fixing your problem. Bitching about it gets you nowhere. Oh and I've been through hell myself from the age of 9 up to 16 years of age so shut your hole and deal with it. I had to and I don't start listing all the problems hoping to get people to feel sorry for me.
you my friend are an absolute and total asshole...just keep doing what you are doing and stay quit....write a fucking book about your incredible mind over matter quitting technique and when it reaches the best seller list write back...everyone here has health stories and they somehow didn't quit or needed help to quit, you apparently didn't, good for you now get the fuck out of our house...
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bull-fucking-shit
you are either stupid or you are not a user, yes we all decided enough was enough but that is all you said that makes any sense to this addict
you mean you are so special that the quit was easy as pie?!? now you have a trophy can?!? you are giving yourself every excuse in the book to start using again if you ever used...141 days in and i am not cured, i am not special, i fight the sneaky little bitch everyday, i WANT to fucking use but i can't so don't post this shit in front of addicts...like chewie says u quit jack but give me the turkey...
I'm not special in any way but every person deals with things different. Did you just quit because you thought it would be best or for other reasons? No need to be a fuck stick about this. I am just happy with myself that I was able to quit as easy as I did because the times before were not so easy, that's why I failed. I think the longest I went was like one week and I was horrible every day. All I can tell you is that when a doctor says the word cancer it makes you freak the fuck out and tends to change your way of thinking
dude i've fucking died before, don't talk to me about scared
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
open heart surgery
implanted defibrilators
evaluated for a heart transplant
all before i was 25...now i am 40, hell i figured my heart would give out before i could develop cancer so why stop. if you read the hof speeches on the site and actively participated then you'd know what "had enough means"
i am glad you're quit but you don't come in our house and tell us how fucking easy it was for your fucking sixth post
well if death won't make you quit then you sir are fucked up. So cry me a fuckin river. If your so damn sick with all these problem then maybe you should get your head out of your ass and figure out what to do to make your life better. If you don't care about your life then I'm sure nobody else does either. Rather than tryin to get everybody to feel sorry for ya with all your problems maybe you should take that energy and put it in to fixing your problem. Bitching about it gets you nowhere. Oh and I've been through hell myself from the age of 9 up to 16 years of age so shut your hole and deal with it. I had to and I don't start listing all the problems hoping to get people to feel sorry for me.
you my friend are an absolute and total asshole...just keep doing what you are doing and stay quit....write a fucking book about your incredible mind over matter quitting technique and when it reaches the best seller list write back...everyone here has health stories and they somehow didn't quit or needed help to quit, you apparently didn't, good for you now get the fuck out of our house...
mvvette, If you have it all figured out then maybe it is best for you to move on from this site.
I have a lot of respect for this site, what it stands for, but mostly for the people on it. The people that you are insulting are people I credit for helping me save my own life. These people have been here long enough to see guys with your same attitude come and go, but mostly go in failure or just fade away in shame.
99.9% of the people that come to this site need help quitting. If you do not, great but do not act like you have it all figured out because you do not.
I dipped for 13 years and quit cold turkey because I was getting painful sores in my mouth and that scared the shit out of me. I was over 7 years (that is 2555+ days) quit and I decided that I had been quit for so long that I could not possibly be addicted anymore. I could handle just one, right? Well, that was 3 1/2 years ago. I have been nic free for 97 days now and all I KNOW is I will not take nic into my body in any form TODAY.
Quitting can be easier for some people than others, but for you to act like you "know" you are done with nic for the rest of your life is just arrogant and ignorant. You are an addict today, tomorrow and for the rest of your life. There will come a time when you will forget how bad it was and how hard all of this can be. If your mind is not right you will fail.
I do not know you and I hope the best for you but I have to be honest with you. You sound like I did when I was a teenager, when I had it all figured out and my way, and my way only was the right way. People who had been here done that in life tried to tell me the way the world works but since I know it all I did not listen to them. Well I should have and so should you. These people know more than you do. We all take this issue very seriously and very personal and we are trying to help you, so shut the fuck up and listen it may save your life.
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Word.
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It's great that you can quit like that. But before you think you really have it all figured out and it is so easy why don't you send JW (Jason Williams) a PM and ask him what that lackadasical fucking attitude gets you. Then again, if it was really that easy you woulda stayed quit the first fucking time.
I gotta run my BULLSHIT DETECTOR is ringing off the wall! :angry: .
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This is one strange thread. On the one hand, you have some of the most respected, experienced quitters on this site coming in to offer hard earned experience and advice. On the other, you have the man with the better mousetrap.
vette: I think everyone is sincerly glad that you are quit and hope that you stay that way. What doesn't make sense is why you came back to tell us about it and explain how the tried and true ktc method is really just weakness and lack of willpower. What is the point?
'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 'clap'
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Unreal, you people just blow my mind. :lol: If you think I'm the one with the attitude then maybe you should start reading back and see who was the first person that had the attitude. Sure the hell wasn't me. I came on here just to share my info how I quit and what made me make up my mind to quit when some insecure prick had to get all pissed I'm guessing just because he was having a major craving. I became a dick when some of you did. Like I said before I really think for SOME people it is just mental but for others it is probably an addiction. Not everybody is the same. If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
I came back on here just to let people know that it can be done and can possibly be pretty easy IF the time is right. Now I would never recommend waiting till you bleed on your pillow at night like I did but that is what it took for me. I didn't want to start some damn fight but it seems that a few members on here seem to have a problem with other people that have quit the habit that they can't. I mean come on guys, you all know you have to get chew out of your life or you are fighting a losing battle. Hell I seen a member on here that even has his user name Skoal something. Kinda hard to get chew out of your life when your user name is your favorite chew. 'Crazy' I wish the best of luck to everybody on quitting and quitting with ease, even the ass that first started being a peckerwood to me on here for quitting. 'no'
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Unreal, you people just blow my mind. :lol: If you think I'm the one with the attitude then maybe you should start reading back and see who was the first person that had the attitude. Sure the hell wasn't me. I came on here just to share my info how I quit and what made me make up my mind to quit when some insecure prick had to get all pissed I'm guessing just because he was having a major craving. I became a dick when some of you did. Like I said before I really think for SOME people it is just mental but for others it is probably an addiction. Not everybody is the same. If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
I came back on here just to let people know that it can be done and can possibly be pretty easy IF the time is right. Now I would never recommend waiting till you bleed on your pillow at night like I did but that is what it took for me. I didn't want to start some damn fight but it seems that a few members on here seem to have a problem with other people that have quit the habit that they can't. I mean come on guys, you all know you have to get chew out of your life or you are fighting a losing battle. Hell I seen a member on here that even has his user name Skoal something. Kinda hard to get chew out of your life when your user name is your favorite chew. 'Crazy' I wish the best of luck to everybody on quitting and quitting with ease, even the ass that first started being a peckerwood to me on here for quitting. 'no'
Not really.
Your a dick because you walked into basically an AA meeting and told everyone they were weak pussies and the 12 step stuff is bullshit. This includes some of the primary stackholders of the site and the creators of the program. So even if you are successfull with your quit, you now have managed to insult the entire supporting organization, who is going to back down now?
Are you really confused why everyone is disappointed in you?
Maybe you could use someone on a public forum board being mean to you as a excuse to cave or reason to derail their progress?
Real humantiarian you turned out to be.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
mvette:
To be honest...I'm not quite sure why I'm adding to this thread. Sorta like stumbling into a group session in that movie, "One Flew Over the CooCoo's Nest". Perhaps Martini will try to ante up with a half-cigarette any moment now. But I digress.
Full disclosure: I'm on record here as declaring that a "safety can" is a guarantee of failure. I'm also on record as assuming that those who think this is easy are doomed. Also on record as suggesting that the first year of quit is sorta like spring training. You're nowhere near ready for the big leagues yet.
I won't call you an idiot, straight-up. But I do wonder...and I hope you'll humor me by answering a few simple questions...
How old are you?
How long have you been a user?
Do you consider yourself an addict?
(I'm doing some statistical research about quitting dip, and you certainly qualify as an outlier).
...theo
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
mvette:
To be honest...I'm not quite sure why I'm adding to this thread. Sorta like stumbling into a group session in that movie, "One Flew Over the CooCoo's Nest". Perhaps Martini will try to ante up with a half-cigarette any moment now. But I digress.
Full disclosure: I'm on record here as declaring that a "safety can" is a guarantee of failure. I'm also on record as assuming that those who think this is easy are doomed. Also on record as suggesting that the first year of quit is sorta like spring training. You're nowhere near ready for the big leagues yet.
I won't call you an idiot, straight-up. But I do wonder...and I hope you'll humor me by answering a few simple questions...
How old are you?
How long have you been a user?
Do you consider yourself an addict?
(I'm doing some statistical research about quitting dip, and you certainly qualify as an outlier).
...theo
35 years old
maybe chewed 4 years maybe 1 can a week
not sure if I would of called myself an addict or not. I guess I've always called it more of a habit rather than an addiction. I'm sure there is an addiction to the nicotine but maybe it depends on how much the person chews. Even when I chewed I would sometimes go a day with not chewing at all. Even then I seemed to have to chew on something. Sounds crazy but pop bottle rings. I did end up tossing the can of skoal in the wood furnace a few days ago. For me it's been long enough that I don't need it here anymore. So in the end I'm not calling any of you failures at all. I got pissed because of a few of you guys acting like total assholes to me just because I said I thought it was easy to quit. Now it wasn't easy for me in past times but for some unexplained reason this time it was. So it doesn't matter to me if any of you think it won't last because I know it will. When my 12 year old daughter begs me to quit because she doesn't want to lose me like she did her little brother then that's all it takes for me. My family is a hell of alot more important than shit in a can
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
It's fantastic that you are so firm in your quit.
But what happens when the intensity of the cancer scare subsides? What tools will you have at your disposal to keep your quit strong?
It is dangerous to feel overconfident in your quit. If you have never been able to quit until now, then you are indeed an addict. Otherwise you would have been able to quit at the first personal desire to quit. I'm not trying to make you feel crappy, I'm just trying to open your eyes to a differenct perspective...one that can hopefully prevent a future cave (one that may or may not be in the making) The fact that you hit rock bottom and are riding that intensity right now is great for your quit. But it's not so great for your quit 3 years down the road. Even 200 days down the road. Because that intensity will most definitely fade.
We all felt invincible when we were younger, that's why we started this habit in the first place. The feeling that we are the one exception to the rule has kept us playing caner roulette all these years. So it's in our wiring to feel like we are the unique one where the rules don't apply. But they apply here. We ALL have the same story....to a scary degree, we are ALL the same. If I were you, I would seek out and identify the similarities, rather than point out your differences to the people here. It might just make your quit that much stronger.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
It's fantastic that you are so firm in your quit.
But what happens when the intensity of the cancer scare subsides? What tools will you have at your disposal to keep your quit strong?
It is dangerous to feel overconfident in your quit. If you have never been able to quit until now, then you are indeed an addict. Otherwise you would have been able to quit at the first personal desire to quit. I'm not trying to make you feel crappy, I'm just trying to open your eyes to a differenct perspective...one that can hopefully prevent a future cave (one that may or may not be in the making) The fact that you hit rock bottom and are riding that intensity right now is great for your quit. But it's not so great for your quit 3 years down the road. Even 200 days down the road. Because that intensity will most definitely fade.
We all felt invincible when we were younger, that's why we started this habit in the first place. The feeling that we are the one exception to the rule has kept us playing caner roulette all these years. So it's in our wiring to feel like we are the unique one where the rules don't apply. But they apply here. We ALL have the same story....to a scary degree, we are ALL the same. If I were you, I would seek out and identify the similarities, rather than point out your differences to the people here. It might just make your quit that much stronger.
Vette, You were spitting blood when you were brushing your teeth and waking up with blood on the pillow. But you continued to dip. That doesn't sound like a habit that sounds like an addiction. Just because I am a nicotine addict doesn't mean I NEED IT to function normally. In fact it is the last thing I need. I am past the physical and mental dependance on dip or smokes. However, I still get the urge to dip. It pops up all the time. Celebration dip, bummed out dip, life sucks dip, great meal dip, long drive, short drive, wake up , shower, shave, tv, and on it goes. 23 years is a long time to undo. I failed 100 times before because I thought I could control it. I thought I could have just one. Maybe one can, maybe dip for a weekend, then BAM right back to 2 cans a day like I never stopped. I can NEVER have another dip or smoke, or cigar, or snus, or nicotine gum, or any other nicotine product. If I do I'll be back to my old tricks faster than you can say UST. Got news for ya buddy, your closer to me than you think. I know that you smoked for a long time. I know you couldn't kick it easily. I know you then chewed to quit the smokes and that you tried and failed at least once to quit that. What does that tell you? Your answer is that you weren't ready to quit right? Man, I wish it were that easy. I can remember being 15 and literally praying to God to help me stop, I can remember giving up and accepting the fact that chew would eventually kill me because I couldnt stop. I can remember telling myself it was more of a habit than an addiction. I never wanted to stop something more in my life. I was ready, I just didn't know how.
When I did quit, it was alot like you, I just stopped one day. I had dipped a log in 4 days . I set the last can down and never had another. Like you it was easy at first, but I had moments later when this place saved my ass. I'm glad your kicking its ass, but don't speculate about the nature of others addictions. You mentioned that I would be better putting it out of my life. What you don't get is that I can't do that. As soon as I forget what it took to get me to a point where I could try to quit and then what it has cost to stay quit for 315 days I will start again. You wonder why I called myself Skoal Monster? Its not because I am glamorizing my favorite chew. It's because thats what I am/was. I was a monster, I was no different than a heroin addict except my drug of choice was skoal. I would have stole from my 3 year olds piggy bank to buy a dip. I'd lie cheat or steal to satisfy my habit. I'd stay up late to dip, I'd dip at work, Id avoid dinners, or any social occasion where I couldn't dip, Dip fucked up my marriage because I put it before my wife. I'm sure it jacked up other relationships as well. I didn't care. God forbid I ran out, I could out mean just about anything on the planet when I was in withdrawl. Ealry quit attempts my wife actually begged me to start chewing again. Go figure. Thing was , ultimately I was always in withdrawl. Even 2 cans a day I was never satisfied. I would be chewing and have a craving. The dip quit working. I couldn't physically chew any more and switching to cope , kodiak, didnt help either. I was fucking miserable ALL the time because of chew. and yet I kept dipping. That was my blood on the pillow. At some point I realized that if I felt shitty and craved all the time I might as well be quit. I literally never felt different before and after physical withdrawls. Yes I had nic rage ( BAD) and I had a couple of panic attacks, one I drove to the hospital because I actually thought I was having a heart attack.
I had a hard time, but it was worth it.
Long story I know, but the point is, I see alot of my past self in your arguments about habit vs addiction, about not really considering myself an addict, about getting the substance out of my life and then being in good shape. Your walking on a razor blade and you don't even know it. I'm glad your in a posistion of strength right now, but there WILL come a time when you are sorely tempted. When will power in and of itself wont save you from yourself. I wonder what you will do. I know what I will do .
sM
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
It's fantastic that you are so firm in your quit.
But what happens when the intensity of the cancer scare subsides? What tools will you have at your disposal to keep your quit strong?
It is dangerous to feel overconfident in your quit. If you have never been able to quit until now, then you are indeed an addict. Otherwise you would have been able to quit at the first personal desire to quit. I'm not trying to make you feel crappy, I'm just trying to open your eyes to a differenct perspective...one that can hopefully prevent a future cave (one that may or may not be in the making) The fact that you hit rock bottom and are riding that intensity right now is great for your quit. But it's not so great for your quit 3 years down the road. Even 200 days down the road. Because that intensity will most definitely fade.
We all felt invincible when we were younger, that's why we started this habit in the first place. The feeling that we are the one exception to the rule has kept us playing caner roulette all these years. So it's in our wiring to feel like we are the unique one where the rules don't apply. But they apply here. We ALL have the same story....to a scary degree, we are ALL the same. If I were you, I would seek out and identify the similarities, rather than point out your differences to the people here. It might just make your quit that much stronger.
what tools will I use to stay quit you ask? An honest to god promise I made to my daughter and dead son. I have developed a hatred for tobacco products that you all would never believe. Lose a child over that fuckin shit and see what you think of it. You guys made some smart comments about me having some super powers and bullshit like that well in a funny way maybe I do. If you guys have ever lost a child because of tobacco then you would understand. You know people maybe it's the guilt of my son's death that has gave me the mid set to never ever have anything to do with tobacco ever again. Because of this I will never chew or smoke again and that is a fact. Even if I do have an addiction it will never over power the anger. I don't know what else to say other than I will never have any tobacco in my life again. I don't even know why I am even tryin to convince you guys because it doesn't matter really. My friends and family have faith in me and that's all that matters. I just don't understand something, this is supposed to be a support forum but mostly all I have seen are insults and negative support. If people keep telling other people that they will fail then in fact they most likely will. I feel an important part of quitting is feeling proud of yourself for what you have currently done. Then there comes people that just try to beat you down. And just because some guy says "well I was just like you and I failed" does not mean another person will.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
It's fantastic that you are so firm in your quit.
But what happens when the intensity of the cancer scare subsides? What tools will you have at your disposal to keep your quit strong?
It is dangerous to feel overconfident in your quit. If you have never been able to quit until now, then you are indeed an addict. Otherwise you would have been able to quit at the first personal desire to quit. I'm not trying to make you feel crappy, I'm just trying to open your eyes to a differenct perspective...one that can hopefully prevent a future cave (one that may or may not be in the making) The fact that you hit rock bottom and are riding that intensity right now is great for your quit. But it's not so great for your quit 3 years down the road. Even 200 days down the road. Because that intensity will most definitely fade.
We all felt invincible when we were younger, that's why we started this habit in the first place. The feeling that we are the one exception to the rule has kept us playing caner roulette all these years. So it's in our wiring to feel like we are the unique one where the rules don't apply. But they apply here. We ALL have the same story....to a scary degree, we are ALL the same. If I were you, I would seek out and identify the similarities, rather than point out your differences to the people here. It might just make your quit that much stronger.
what tools will I use to stay quit you ask? An honest to god promise I made to my daughter and dead son. I have developed a hatred for tobacco products that you all would never believe. Lose a child over that fuckin shit and see what you think of it. You guys made some smart comments about me having some super powers and bullshit like that well in a funny way maybe I do. If you guys have ever lost a child because of tobacco then you would understand. You know people maybe it's the guilt of my son's death that has gave me the mid set to never ever have anything to do with tobacco ever again. Because of this I will never chew or smoke again and that is a fact. Even if I do have an addiction it will never over power the anger. I don't know what else to say other than I will never have any tobacco in my life again. I don't even know why I am even tryin to convince you guys because it doesn't matter really. My friends and family have faith in me and that's all that matters. I just don't understand something, this is supposed to be a support forum but mostly all I have seen are insults and negative support. If people keep telling other people that they will fail then in fact they most likely will. I feel an important part of quitting is feeling proud of yourself for what you have currently done. Then there comes people that just try to beat you down. And just because some guy says "well I was just like you and I failed" does not mean another person will.
Look, mvette...congrats on your quit. Sounds like you got the nic bitch by the ass hairs. I just have one question....Why do you come to a "support" site to quit nicotine when you imply you don't need any support? You're not an internet troll, are you?? I'm not trying to be an asshole here...just wondering.
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If some of you are so damn smart then expplain to me why when I tried to quit several times before I failed but after I was scared for my life of cancer then I was about to not chew and have had no withdrawls? Please explain!! I can't explain it but all I know after several failures I was able to quit with no cravings all because I thought I had mouth cancer.
To answer your question, no one said that your quit has to be hard. I agree that stopping nicotine is a hell of a lot easier when you have your mind is right. What people are saying is that you are an addict. None of us, as addicts can ever really say we are done for good. We can only say we stopped using right now. You and I are just as addicted to nicotine right now as we were when we dipped full time, regardless of withdrawal symptoms or ease of nicotine cessation.
What people are trying to make you understand is that this is a commitment we make daily for a lifetime, not one that you make once and move on from. The reason the daily commitment is so important is because your life will change, your attitude will change, and the memory of your "blood on the pillow" will fade. But your addiction to this drug will ALWAYS stay. If you do not accept that you are an addict and always will be, there will come a point that you will think you have it all figured out and you can handle it. Just like I (and about a million others) did.
The reason people are angry is that you not only do not realize this, but you have an attitude that addiction is weakness and not just being able to quit at will is a weakness. You are like a rookie pro athlete talking about how great their career will be. You can only live and quit today everything else is speculation.
Long story short. Just because the act of stopping nicotine was easy for you does not mean shit, the end game here is not quitting it is staying quit. How you will do at that remains to be seen.
I'm going to be honest, I honestly think alot of it is mind set depending on how much you chew. I feel some people can be an addict and some may not. I think it affects everybody different. I guess I am thinking different about being an addict. For me no I don't and will never accept that I may be an addict because then that would always be in my mind that reminding me that my body may need nicotine to function right. To me that would make it harder to quit I would think. I just put it out of my life accepting nothing other than the fact that I don't need that stuff. Yea being scared and my daughter made it easy for me to quit, not sure why but it did. I think I just realized what my future was going to be if I would keep chewing. For a while I would just think of all the good things that would result in quitting and think of all the bad if I kept chewing. I wish there was a way to prove to you people that I will still be chew free years down the road but there isn't. It doesn't matter though because I'm doing this for my daughter as well as myself. I'm calmer now and gums are healed and just feel so much better since I quit. Made a promise to my daughter and late son that I'll never ever touch that shit again. My daughter is all I have left so there is no way I will let her down.
It's fantastic that you are so firm in your quit.
But what happens when the intensity of the cancer scare subsides? What tools will you have at your disposal to keep your quit strong?
It is dangerous to feel overconfident in your quit. If you have never been able to quit until now, then you are indeed an addict. Otherwise you would have been able to quit at the first personal desire to quit. I'm not trying to make you feel crappy, I'm just trying to open your eyes to a differenct perspective...one that can hopefully prevent a future cave (one that may or may not be in the making) The fact that you hit rock bottom and are riding that intensity right now is great for your quit. But it's not so great for your quit 3 years down the road. Even 200 days down the road. Because that intensity will most definitely fade.
We all felt invincible when we were younger, that's why we started this habit in the first place. The feeling that we are the one exception to the rule has kept us playing caner roulette all these years. So it's in our wiring to feel like we are the unique one where the rules don't apply. But they apply here. We ALL have the same story....to a scary degree, we are ALL the same. If I were you, I would seek out and identify the similarities, rather than point out your differences to the people here. It might just make your quit that much stronger.
what tools will I use to stay quit you ask? An honest to god promise I made to my daughter and dead son. I have developed a hatred for tobacco products that you all would never believe. Lose a child over that fuckin shit and see what you think of it. You guys made some smart comments about me having some super powers and bullshit like that well in a funny way maybe I do. If you guys have ever lost a child because of tobacco then you would understand. You know people maybe it's the guilt of my son's death that has gave me the mid set to never ever have anything to do with tobacco ever again. Because of this I will never chew or smoke again and that is a fact. Even if I do have an addiction it will never over power the anger. I don't know what else to say other than I will never have any tobacco in my life again. I don't even know why I am even tryin to convince you guys because it doesn't matter really. My friends and family have faith in me and that's all that matters. I just don't understand something, this is supposed to be a support forum but mostly all I have seen are insults and negative support. If people keep telling other people that they will fail then in fact they most likely will. I feel an important part of quitting is feeling proud of yourself for what you have currently done. Then there comes people that just try to beat you down. And just because some guy says "well I was just like you and I failed" does not mean another person will.
Look, mvette...congrats on your quit. Sounds like you got the nic bitch by the ass hairs. I just have one question....Why do you come to a "support" site to quit nicotine when you imply you don't need any support? You're not an internet troll, are you?? I'm not trying to be an asshole here...just wondering.
yeah really, what was the point?
Also, be aware, my quit was super easy too the first 75 days or so. Some people have an easier time at the beginning. I was one of them. Granted, it got much worse, many, many times, the next 175 days, and you can be sure that trophy case would have been tapped into.
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so.....is it the cancer scare or what happened to your child?
and i am the one that's messed up?
keep the quit
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First off, sorry to hear about your son.
You're right, maybe if one of us lost a child to tobacco, we would understand.
So.........we are all ears.
Secondly, I would be curious to know how much you actually understand about how this place works. I read through this little gem of a thread and I can certainly see why you've ruffled some feathers. Have you poked around here enough to see why that may be happening? The answer is there, you should take a look.
Or might it be that we are just a site full of assholes that don't quite think you are telling us the whole story?
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This is ridiculous so its the last Im gonna post in here then this thread can sink below the line where it belongs. Mvette, my condolences on your loss. No one is being a dick to you and believe me we understand what it is to hate tobacco. ALL anybody here is trying to do is warn you that your far from quit. Get on line and look at the failure rates for this shit. Its horrible. People here with thousands of days quit have warned you. People with 100's of days quit have warned you. If you wanna be a dumbass ostrich and stick your head in the sand and believe your quit is invincible then great. I can't "help" somebody that doesn't want to be helped. Your a fucking addict like the rest of us. You don't beleive that now, but you will, and I am afraid that you may learn it the hard way.
II hope your special I really do, but you would be the first. Stay quit
SM
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Vette, You were spitting blood when you were brushing your teeth and waking up with blood on the pillow. But you continued to dip. That doesn't sound like a habit that sounds like an addiction. Just because I am a nicotine addict doesn't mean I NEED IT to function normally. In fact it is the last thing I need. I am past the physical and mental dependance on dip or smokes. However, I still get the urge to dip. It pops up all the time. Celebration dip, bummed out dip, life sucks dip, great meal dip, long drive, short drive, wake up , shower, shave, tv, and on it goes. 23 years is a long time to undo. I failed 100 times before because I thought I could control it. I thought I could have just one. Maybe one can, maybe dip for a weekend, then BAM right back to 2 cans a day like I never stopped. I can NEVER have another dip or smoke, or cigar, or snus, or nicotine gum, or any other nicotine product. If I do I'll be back to my old tricks faster than you can say UST. Got news for ya buddy, your closer to me than you think. I know that you smoked for a long time. I know you couldn't kick it easily. I know you then chewed to quit the smokes and that you tried and failed at least once to quit that. What does that tell you? Your answer is that you weren't ready to quit right? Man, I wish it were that easy. I can remember being 15 and literally praying to God to help me stop, I can remember giving up and accepting the fact that chew would eventually kill me because I couldnt stop. I can remember telling myself it was more of a habit than an addiction. I never wanted to stop something more in my life. I was ready, I just didn't know how.
When I did quit, it was alot like you, I just stopped one day. I had dipped a log in 4 days . I set the last can down and never had another. Like you it was easy at first, but I had moments later when this place saved my ass. I'm glad your kicking its ass, but don't speculate about the nature of others addictions. You mentioned that I would be better putting it out of my life. What you don't get is that I can't do that. As soon as I forget what it took to get me to a point where I could try to quit and then what it has cost to stay quit for 315 days I will start again. You wonder why I called myself Skoal Monster? Its not because I am glamorizing my favorite chew. It's because thats what I am/was. I was a monster, I was no different than a heroin addict except my drug of choice was skoal. I would have stole from my 3 year olds piggy bank to buy a dip. I'd lie cheat or steal to satisfy my habit. I'd stay up late to dip, I'd dip at work, Id avoid dinners, or any social occasion where I couldn't dip, Dip fucked up my marriage because I put it before my wife. I'm sure it jacked up other relationships as well. I didn't care. God forbid I ran out, I could out mean just about anything on the planet when I was in withdrawl. Ealry quit attempts my wife actually begged me to start chewing again. Go figure. Thing was , ultimately I was always in withdrawl. Even 2 cans a day I was never satisfied. I would be chewing and have a craving. The dip quit working. I couldn't physically chew any more and switching to cope , kodiak, didnt help either. I was fucking miserable ALL the time because of chew. and yet I kept dipping. That was my blood on the pillow. At some point I realized that if I felt shitty and craved all the time I might as well be quit. I literally never felt different before and after physical withdrawls. Yes I had nic rage ( BAD) and I had a couple of panic attacks, one I drove to the hospital because I actually thought I was having a heart attack.
I had a hard time, but it was worth it.
Long story I know, but the point is, I see alot of my past self in your arguments about habit vs addiction, about not really considering myself an addict, about getting the substance out of my life and then being in good shape. Your walking on a razor blade and you don't even know it. I'm glad your in a posistion of strength right now, but there WILL come a time when you are sorely tempted. When will power in and of itself wont save you from yourself. I wonder what you will do. I know what I will do .
sM
I can't do all the fancy cut out quotes, so I will try it like this. I am very sorry to hear your loss and that is the utmost reason to stay quit. I don't believe anyone here intentionally tries to be an ass. You just have a collection of individuals that have accomplished what less than 10% of the addicted population can do. They must know something and have firm belief in thier conviction. Vette I hope you are listening to SM on this one.
You see SM's story is me to a tee, except for the fact I never even tried to stop untill now. His story and his conviction is what this place is about and hopefully you can take something from all of this and see what works for others ( all times will not be good and there will be that time in the middle of the night where you think just one will help whatever the situation is ). It might just help in a moment of need. No one here wants that to happen to them or you. If someone being a full blown ass and it keeps you or anyone else for starting again, then let them be an ass. It is nothing personal.
You see I quit 85 days ago. I set it down and walked away, but I know I must watch my back every day. I don't know how many years I never even felt a withdrawl - why you ask- because I never went long enough without a dip in to experience a withdrawl. Maybe that is why I haven't had a good nights sleep in the last 20+ years. I did my withdrawls at night. Anyway after only 85 days I had forgotten some of the reasons why I quit and reading SM's last two posts reminded me of what I left behind and why I can never go back. Please take it for what is worth.
And to SM : thank you for reminding me who I was and who I cannot and will not ever be again.
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I first signed up on here thinking it would help to hear from people that had the same habit as me. Well when I first joined I didn't last long before I cheated so I pretty much said fuck it and left the forum. Then some things changed in my life and I thought i would give it another throw. Yes I thought I had cancer but even worse was the thing about my child. So since I have quit I am happy for myself so I thought I would share and then a few of the negative haters had to start their shit. so really no I don't think I'm an addict because if I were I would think I would be having some kind of withdrawls but I'm not. I didn't chew very much so maybe that's what is helping me, I don't know..
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fine, all i think any of these asses are saying is to watch your back the nic bitch can get you at anytime/anywhere. the crave'll come and you may find yourself planning on how to get some, fight it for all it's worth. i hope you get rid of that trophy can, i think you said you did. do me a favor, make it tough to get some, make sure you avoid places where you'd buy unless a quitting support is there (my kids loved being my support to stop daddy). also, don't be afraid to post up right in here if you're in trouble, we might seem like asses but we are really only asses about protecting peoples quits. your post struck many as this isn't so hard, why can't you guys do it. if i could have i would have quit 26 years ago, i couldn't, i tried and i failed over and over again, my health, my wife, my kids, nothing could make me stop, until my 11 yo telling me i was a bad influence on him, don't why that moment it hit and stuck, not the first time but by god it was going to be the last. on july 17 i ended my usage but not my addiction, i still crave, i still want...maybe a trauma does different things to a quit but the rawness of the trauma does end and will dip/smokes re-enter your life? this is what this ass is thinking and i see some heavy quitters coming in here trying to help you see that addiction is one tricky bitch, she'll tell you it's a habit, you can stop whenever see you did that for two weeks there....now celebrate with me tonight at the club...and then you fall and the habit just starts again. i hope we addicts that had to do it day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, second by second, meet more like you to show us the mind over matter technique because we learned all about neurotransmitters being out of whack because of nicotine suppression and how our brain has to rewire itself from a nicotine brain, figure this out and you will be the bestseller of self help books of all time good luck and stay quit
where ever you go in life never burn the bridges, they may be the only way to truly get home
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I first signed up on here thinking it would help to hear from people that had the same habit as me. Well when I first joined I didn't last long before I cheated so I pretty much said fuck it and left the forum. Then some things changed in my life and I thought i would give it another throw. Yes I thought I had cancer but even worse was the thing about my child. So since I have quit I am happy for myself so I thought I would share and then a few of the negative haters had to start their shit. so really no I don't think I'm an addict because if I were I would think I would be having some kind of withdrawls but I'm not. I didn't chew very much so maybe that's what is helping me, I don't know..
mvvette97...
Bro, I'm a newbie too, so take this for what it's worth ---
There is a huge difference between "haters" and those who hold themselves accountable; and by accountable I mean both to themselves and others.
That's responsibility (response-ability)
Five days ago I had to pick a screen name for this site. "ChoosingIntegrity" came out of the fact that I've learned that integrity at its most basic level means doing what you say you're going to do when you say you're going to do it. And... it's all about keeping your word. Integrity doesn't promise anything. It sure as hell won't promise that I don't get cancer, but it might open the opportunity for newness and positive potential. Now, every day that I tap into roll call I remind myself that I'm here with a purpose of choosing integrity and I glimpse a tidbit of my history as I type in my password. Once I get into this site, my history is urged to transform by a bunch of folks who've walked the firewalk, have learned from experience, and are seemingly commited to sharing, well-being, evolution, and liberation.
Man... I'm glad you're not craving. Everybody's glad you're not craving. It seems to me that what GROUP is evidencing for INDIVIDUAL is that NOT CRAVING is NOT SYNONYMOUS with NOT CAVING.
There are different levels of responsibility. Operating at the level of "I" keeps you responsible for yourself. Operating at the level of "Group" keeps you responsible for yourself and your group and makes you accountable for more than just "I".
There's no hatred in that Bro... not the way I see it anyway.
I'm glad you're here. I'm glad this whole conversation has been part of the game. It's opening my mind.
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I never did say it was easy for everybody. It was hard the first several times and I failed. With me I didn't have my mind set on quitting, that was with me. Now the last time it was easy for what reason I don't know but I'm glad because it is easier on me and my family. Oh I did toss that can about a week ago in the wood furnace so it's gone. I felt I didn't need it setting around anymore. When I say I will never chew again I mean it. Just like I said I'll never smoke again. It's been years and I'm around smokers all day and never even thought about having one. With me it's more of a habit no matter what some of you say. Like I said I was never much of a chewer at all and I really didn't enjoy it very much. I would have to say for me that quitting smoking was more of a challenge. I will say again that not every person is the same and it affects everybody in a different way. I think alot of it is how much you smoke or chew and how bad you really want to quit depending on the person. It sounds like to me that alot of people struggle during the quit and I feel bed for you guys. I had the same problem with smoking. As I said though maybe it has to do with that I never really did like chewing very much. I never did but as you know by now i started it so I could have a new habit to take the place of smoking. I don't know but I feel confident I can quit this forever.
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vette- as an example check the thread here in intro called Cancer? Probably. its just a couple above this one.
This guys scared to death that he has mouth cancer, I pm'd him a few times and actually took the time to talk to my dentist about his situation. I was able to line up a free look see for him, but he evaporated. Did he learn that he didn't have cancer? Maybe. Did he start dipping again after two weeks? Maybe. We'll have to see (if he even reappears) . Hurt fades, fear fades, addiction is forever.
Keep strong
sM