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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: J4893 on July 26, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
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I need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
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itaryI need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
welcome j - you've come to the right place for help. I don't have military training, but i got some coaching training in this old shell of mine. You have a tough situation with people around you using, but bottom line, you gotta be bigger than that. I'm only quit day 37 after 34 years. YOU have to want to do it. Your game plan looks solid. Best advice from old ES is to go cold turkey. I just posted my intro tonight in the Sept Sultan Gang. Have a gander at it and I'll quit with you. It will be the best decision we both make. old ES
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itaryI need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
welcome j - you've come to the right place for help. I don't have military training, but i got some coaching training in this old shell of mine. You have a tough situation with people around you using, but bottom line, you gotta be bigger than that. I'm only quit day 37 after 34 years. YOU have to want to do it. Your game plan looks solid. Best advice from old ES is to go cold turkey. I just posted my intro tonight in the Sept Sultan Gang. Have a gander at it and I'll quit with you. It will be the best decision we both make. old ES
We all have reasons to quit; we all have excuses not to do it now. Forget the plan, I had a plan similar to yours over two years ago and if I'd tried dragging it out, I'd still be dipping. Just man up and quit today and repeat tomorrow. It's gonna suck, it did for me and everyone else but we did it and still are everyday. Thank you for your service and I will be more than happy to serve you by helping you through the next few weeks of suck by offering my support and encouragement, just pm me for my number. As a 4+ decade addict I understand the pain that our addiction can cause and how easy rationalization is. If your serious you'll flush "all" your stash now and promise to stay clean the rest of today.
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itaryI need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
welcome j - you've come to the right place for help. I don't have military training, but i got some coaching training in this old shell of mine. You have a tough situation with people around you using, but bottom line, you gotta be bigger than that. I'm only quit day 37 after 34 years. YOU have to want to do it. Your game plan looks solid. Best advice from old ES is to go cold turkey. I just posted my intro tonight in the Sept Sultan Gang. Have a gander at it and I'll quit with you. It will be the best decision we both make. old ES
We all have reasons to quit; we all have excuses not to do it now. Forget the plan, I had a plan similar to yours over two years ago and if I'd tried dragging it out, I'd still be dipping. Just man up and quit today and repeat tomorrow. It's gonna suck, it did for me and everyone else but we did it and still are everyday. Thank you for your service and I will be more than happy to serve you by helping you through the next few weeks of suck by offering my support and encouragement, just pm me for my number. As a 4+ decade addict I understand the pain that our addiction can cause and how easy rationalization is. If your serious you'll flush "all" your stash now and promise to stay clean the rest of today.
I am in the Air force J4893. I started my quit 56 days ago and havent looked back. I work in ISR support for the guys on the ground (you i would assume by your intro). Honestly, the day i chose to throw it away, I read this story about Tom and Jenny Kern (http://caringbridgeclassic.org/mn/tomkern/history.htm) and substitute the members with my wife and kids and I. Its not a tough one past that... I dont want to leave my wife with that burden and I never want my daughter to have to bury her dad because he put poison in his lip every day.
As far as other dippers around me... doesn't make a difference. My needs surpass the visual hints that my brain wants to give. Fuck my brain. I live with my heart these days...
Quit like fuck dude and never turn back.
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Drop it completely, you'll be glad you did, actually best to do it while deployed. That way you can be a complete dick and still stay married. Cause you're GONNA be an asshole for a week. No pressure from the store you always go to or times in everyday that you dip. I remember being deployed and actually packing half my pack with tins, I wasn't running out and those who did beware of the price!! get numbers for those rough times and try to get them on the kakao app, sounds crazy but the more crazy ass conversations you have the less you think about it.
MAN UP AND DUMP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN FLUSH IT, DONT BE A DUMPSTER DIVER.
Let us know how it's going, and someone will be here to walk you through, FYI we don't hold hands, it may not be pretty but here's lesson #1 QLF=quit like fuck!!
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Quit being a pussy.
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itaryI need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
welcome j - you've come to the right place for help. I don't have military training, but i got some coaching training in this old shell of mine. You have a tough situation with people around you using, but bottom line, you gotta be bigger than that. I'm only quit day 37 after 34 years. YOU have to want to do it. Your game plan looks solid. Best advice from old ES is to go cold turkey. I just posted my intro tonight in the Sept Sultan Gang. Have a gander at it and I'll quit with you. It will be the best decision we both make. old ES
We all have reasons to quit; we all have excuses not to do it now. Forget the plan, I had a plan similar to yours over two years ago and if I'd tried dragging it out, I'd still be dipping. Just man up and quit today and repeat tomorrow. It's gonna suck, it did for me and everyone else but we did it and still are everyday. Thank you for your service and I will be more than happy to serve you by helping you through the next few weeks of suck by offering my support and encouragement, just pm me for my number. As a 4+ decade addict I understand the pain that our addiction can cause and how easy rationalization is. If your serious you'll flush "all" your stash now and promise to stay clean the rest of today.
I am in the Air force J4893. I started my quit 56 days ago and havent looked back. I work in ISR support for the guys on the ground (you i would assume by your intro). Honestly, the day i chose to throw it away, I read this story about Tom and Jenny Kern (http://caringbridgeclassic.org/mn/tomkern/history.htm) and substitute the members with my wife and kids and I. Its not a tough one past that... I dont want to leave my wife with that burden and I never want my daughter to have to bury her dad because he put poison in his lip every day.
As far as other dippers around me... doesn't make a difference. My needs surpass the visual hints that my brain wants to give. Fuck my brain. I live with my heart these days...
Quit like fuck dude and never turn back.
Thank you for your service. What you do for a living takes more courage than I can imagine, but you are afraid of quitting use of a poison weed that will kill you? Fuck the weaning nonsense, it only prolongs the physical withdrawal symptoms. Flush your poison and quit cold turkey. You have never quit before, only took a break or had a stoppage. You are an addict just like me and everyone else on KTC! The only difference is you are still a slave to the poison. Read the welcome center here and start educating yourself about nicotine addiction. Don't be afraid. You do not and never have needed the poison to live and function. Yes the first part of a quit is hell, but it can be done, and you can do it! Freedom is worth fighting for, and I would think you believe that or you wouldn't be in the service. Isn't your own freedom worth fighting for? PM me if you need anything.
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itaryI need to quit and more importantly, I want to quit. I am a husband and hopefully a soon to be father. That by itself is enough to quit.
I have a lot of obstacles in the way however. I am in the military and about half of my Soldiers dip. It is common practice and I cannot walk through my company area without seeing atleast one person dipping. I dip in the field, late nights, after PT wake up dip, boring office work dip, etc... On top of all these, I am deploying soon and know that it will be extremely tough to quit while I am downrange.
I have quit before (3 years ago) and I basically weaned myself to 3 lips a day for a week, then 2, then 1. Then about a month after I started back up. I would like to have the discipline to completely stop all together but I am also a realist. My goal is to get myself down to 2 lips a day while deployed. Cut out any morning dip, save it for the stressful afternoons and my relaxing time at night. Eventually get rid of my afternoon dip and 'treat' myself at night for the discipline to last throughout the day. Then cut out my night time dip.
I would like to come back from downrange dip free. That is my endstate.
I am looking for advice from anyone who has beat this beast. Any current or former military will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for time, advice, and for helping me stop this suicide by tobacco.
welcome j - you've come to the right place for help. I don't have military training, but i got some coaching training in this old shell of mine. You have a tough situation with people around you using, but bottom line, you gotta be bigger than that. I'm only quit day 37 after 34 years. YOU have to want to do it. Your game plan looks solid. Best advice from old ES is to go cold turkey. I just posted my intro tonight in the Sept Sultan Gang. Have a gander at it and I'll quit with you. It will be the best decision we both make. old ES
We all have reasons to quit; we all have excuses not to do it now. Forget the plan, I had a plan similar to yours over two years ago and if I'd tried dragging it out, I'd still be dipping. Just man up and quit today and repeat tomorrow. It's gonna suck, it did for me and everyone else but we did it and still are everyday. Thank you for your service and I will be more than happy to serve you by helping you through the next few weeks of suck by offering my support and encouragement, just pm me for my number. As a 4+ decade addict I understand the pain that our addiction can cause and how easy rationalization is. If your serious you'll flush "all" your stash now and promise to stay clean the rest of today.
I am in the Air force J4893. I started my quit 56 days ago and havent looked back. I work in ISR support for the guys on the ground (you i would assume by your intro). Honestly, the day i chose to throw it away, I read this story about Tom and Jenny Kern (http://caringbridgeclassic.org/mn/tomkern/history.htm) and substitute the members with my wife and kids and I. Its not a tough one past that... I dont want to leave my wife with that burden and I never want my daughter to have to bury her dad because he put poison in his lip every day.
As far as other dippers around me... doesn't make a difference. My needs surpass the visual hints that my brain wants to give. Fuck my brain. I live with my heart these days...
Quit like fuck dude and never turn back.
Thank you for your service. What you do for a living takes more courage than I can imagine, but you are afraid of quitting use of a poison weed that will kill you? Fuck the weaning nonsense, it only prolongs the physical withdrawal symptoms. Flush your poison and quit cold turkey. You have never quit before, only took a break or had a stoppage. You are an addict just like me and everyone else on KTC! The only difference is you are still a slave to the poison. Read the welcome center here and start educating yourself about nicotine addiction. Don't be afraid. You do not and never have needed the poison to live and function. Yes the first part of a quit is hell, but it can be done, and you can do it! Freedom is worth fighting for, and I would think you believe that or you wouldn't be in the service. Isn't your own freedom worth fighting for? PM me if you need anything.
Listen to the above. He knows what he's talking about. There is no playing footsies with the poison. It is an unfair apponent that uses your own brain against you. It's manipulative and cunning. It only does one thing very well. It takes intil there is nothing left to take. There is no weaning, planning, wishing, hoping and wanting. There is only quitting today. That is the only way that works for sure. Post the hell up and let's just quit. Thats what I've done for 526 days. Not one reason you can't do the same. Your move.
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It's not easy. I know when I was in college I had a lot of dudes around me that dipped, and I couldn't stay quit either. All I can say to you is commit to posting roll every morning first thing, then get some phone numbers of some buds in your quit qroup and if you find yourself in a situation where you are going to cave, call them. Also, on your phone make your background a picture of someone with mouth cancer. Look at that every day. Read stories on here of people who said it could never happen to them.
Ask your wife if she finds that wad of crap in your mouth sexy? Get her involved in your quit. Let her know that date. Show her the site, and let her see the countdown and monitor how much money your saving.
Know this. When you quit, I and everyone else here will be quitting with you every single day. EVERY DAY. We will all quit together.
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Are you still chewing that nasty death weed? Grab your sack, spit it out, and post up. Let's get this quit on.
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There is not much I can add that hasn't already been said. I'll stress though that quitting cold turkey is the right way. I too am around dippers all day. It was a pain in the ass the first couple of days. I'm only quit day +10 now, but I noticed that around day 5 I started to look at the dippers a little differently. It almost looked disgusting. I am starting to learn to hate it. You will too.
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Why 05NOV? I find out if I am having a boy or a girl . My wife is pregnant with our first child. I want my child to have a dad that is still living and still has a jaw. I currently have a high stress job and the enemy in the can helps with that. Well not anymore. Bring on the headaches and the shakes and the nausea because I am done with this shit. Like to hear from any current or former military for their tips and advice but any help is welcome.
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Either you never quit or you caved. I'm guessing it's the former, since your newest intro shows a "planned" quit for tomorrow just like this one is a lot of blathering about weaning and treating yourself to night time cat turds.
For someone that is active duty military, you sure are a massive pussy when it comes to fighting your addiction. That's coming from a civilian, by the way.
Just think: if you had sacked up and got this thing done back when you first joined, you would have over 100 days quit under your belt by now.
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Why 05NOV? I find out if I am having a boy or a girl . My wife is pregnant with our first child. I want my child to have a dad that is still living and still has a jaw. I currently have a high stress job and the enemy in the can helps with that. Well not anymore. Bring on the headaches and the shakes and the nausea because I am done with this shit. Like to hear from any current or former military for their tips and advice but any help is welcome.
Make it 04NOV.
Why put off until tomorrow what you can do today?
Honestly, wanna know the reason I quit? 3 years ago, I was driving my little tee baller around after a game (6). He hit a double, so I promised him beef jerky (his favorite). I went to 3 gas stations and none of them had any. It was really distressing to us both. I finally found some at a drive through....but it was only the shredded stuff in a can. I got that, and heard him him-haw around in the back seat. He asked if I was sure that beef jerky, and I assured him it was. We got home, he walked in to see mom, and promptly packed that fucking can right in front of her.
I've never felt so low in my life. I quit shortly thereafter.
What I found after I quit was that I couldn't quit for him, my wife, or my youngest. I had to quit for me. All they could do is inspire me to stay quit. Being a prospective father is awesome, and I'm very happy for you, but I just want you to know that you quit for you.
You can do this. Post roll. Make friends here. Read everything you can. Drink lots of water initially, and exercise. You want to push that poison out of your system. Limit your alcohol and caffeine (stupid choices, more potent) and strap on in. Quitting sucks at first, but it is the most rewarding thing you can do in this life.
We've got today, man.
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Why 05NOV? I find out if I am having a boy or a girl . My wife is pregnant with our first child. I want my child to have a dad that is still living and still has a jaw. I currently have a high stress job and the enemy in the can helps with that. Well not anymore. Bring on the headaches and the shakes and the nausea because I am done with this shit. Like to hear from any current or former military for their tips and advice but any help is welcome.
Make it 04NOV.
Why put off until tomorrow what you can do today?
Honestly, wanna know the reason I quit? 3 years ago, I was driving my little tee baller around after a game (6). He hit a double, so I promised him beef jerky (his favorite). I went to 3 gas stations and none of them had any. It was really distressing to us both. I finally found some at a drive through....but it was only the shredded stuff in a can. I got that, and heard him him-haw around in the back seat. He asked if I was sure that beef jerky, and I assured him it was. We got home, he walked in to see mom, and promptly packed that fucking can right in front of her.
I've never felt so low in my life. I quit shortly thereafter.
What I found after I quit was that I couldn't quit for him, my wife, or my youngest. I had to quit for me. All they could do is inspire me to stay quit. Being a prospective father is awesome, and I'm very happy for you, but I just want you to know that you quit for you.
You can do this. Post roll. Make friends here. Read everything you can. Drink lots of water initially, and exercise. You want to push that poison out of your system. Limit your alcohol and caffeine (stupid choices, more potent) and strap on in. Quitting sucks at first, but it is the most rewarding thing you can do in this life.
We've got today, man.
What this guy said.^^^
Stop hanging your success or failure on externals. YOU have to quit, not your future son or daughter. Not your wife. Not your CO. YOU.
Quits are not successful because of birthdays, births, weddings, anniversaries, New Year's, Christmas or Labor Day. Quits are successful when a man says, "I will not dip TODAY." Then he keeps his word for TODAY.
Fuck tomorrow. Quit now. NOW is a very powerful thing.
Do it.
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Why 05NOV? I find out if I am having a boy or a girl . My wife is pregnant with our first child. I want my child to have a dad that is still living and still has a jaw. I currently have a high stress job and the enemy in the can helps with that. Well not anymore. Bring on the headaches and the shakes and the nausea because I am done with this shit. Like to hear from any current or former military for their tips and advice but any help is welcome.
Make it 04NOV.
Why put off until tomorrow what you can do today?
Honestly, wanna know the reason I quit? 3 years ago, I was driving my little tee baller around after a game (6). He hit a double, so I promised him beef jerky (his favorite). I went to 3 gas stations and none of them had any. It was really distressing to us both. I finally found some at a drive through....but it was only the shredded stuff in a can. I got that, and heard him him-haw around in the back seat. He asked if I was sure that beef jerky, and I assured him it was. We got home, he walked in to see mom, and promptly packed that fucking can right in front of her.
I've never felt so low in my life. I quit shortly thereafter.
What I found after I quit was that I couldn't quit for him, my wife, or my youngest. I had to quit for me. All they could do is inspire me to stay quit. Being a prospective father is awesome, and I'm very happy for you, but I just want you to know that you quit for you.
You can do this. Post roll. Make friends here. Read everything you can. Drink lots of water initially, and exercise. You want to push that poison out of your system. Limit your alcohol and caffeine (stupid choices, more potent) and strap on in. Quitting sucks at first, but it is the most rewarding thing you can do in this life.
We've got today, man.
What this guy said.^^^
Stop hanging your success or failure on externals. YOU have to quit, not your future son or daughter. Not your wife. Not your CO. YOU.
Quits are not successful because of birthdays, births, weddings, anniversaries, New Year's, Christmas or Labor Day. Quits are successful when a man says, "I will not dip TODAY." Then he keeps his word for TODAY.
Fuck tomorrow. Quit now. NOW is a very powerful thing.
Do it.
Quit now.
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Lots of military on here. When it comes to being quit, what does that matter? An addict is an addict. Nobody has a worse or easier addiction. Once addicted, always addicted. The key is to agree with these facts and work your way to flushing the poison, posting a day 1 and keeping your promise. Wake up, do it again. It sucks for awhile but it gets better.
Stop being a pussy. Husband, father. Before you toss that last lipper tonight, look in the mirror and tell me...pride or disgust??
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Alright, buddy. Today's the day you set. It's time. You know it and I know it. Quitting isn't going to get any easier, and around here we quit one way only: cold turkey.
Post up your Day 1 roll in the February quit group and then let's get to this.
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Yo, where yo quit at?
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Alright, on day 2 of my quit. Day 1 wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. Strong urge after dinner, nothing some toothpicks and gum couldn't take care of. This morning I would have given my right nut for a nice fat lip of skoal. Toothpicks are becoming my new best friend, keeps me busy, no spit, no cancer. Have some serious fog going on though; it was definitely hard to concentrate this morning. Thank God for Red Bull.
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.
As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
A few more things:
1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.
As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
A few more things:
1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.
When do the cravings end? Well frankly today I am on day 480 and I still have cravings and triggers. I too have been surrounded by dipping idiots my whole life and still am. I could very easily walk 5' and bum a dip, but I don't because I quit like fuck and nothing will change that. Our stories are very similar however, I wish I had the balls to quit when I was younger. When I get a craving I think about all the years that my wife had to kiss me while my breath stank of cat turds, or the years my kids had to step around my spit puddles.
Then as the craving sets in now I exercise, take a walk, do burpees or push-ups until they go away or anything. The cravings will linger, so your resolve to stay quit has to be ever so present. I always have cinnamon candies and a can of fake on me at all times just in case. Remember the 6Ps and you will be fine (Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) as will your quit.
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.
As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
A few more things:
1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.
When do the cravings end? Well frankly today I am on day 480 and I still have cravings and triggers. I too have been surrounded by dipping idiots my whole life and still am. I could very easily walk 5' and bum a dip, but I don't because I quit like fuck and nothing will change that. Our stories are very similar however, I wish I had the balls to quit when I was younger. When I get a craving I think about all the years that my wife had to kiss me while my breath stank of cat turds, or the years my kids had to step around my spit puddles.
Then as the craving sets in now I exercise, take a walk, do burpees or push-ups until they go away or anything. The cravings will linger, so your resolve to stay quit has to be ever so present. I always have cinnamon candies and a can of fake on me at all times just in case. Remember the 6Ps and you will be fine (Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) as will your quit.
Addiction, Self-Identity and 1 Day at a Time.
Breaking the physical addiction to nic is simple. It is unpleasant, but simple, and only lasts 72 hours.
The psychological component to quitting is the real journey. Begin the journey by inventing a new self-identity. The Quitter.
Say, “I AM QUIT”.
You are not “quitting”. You are not “trying” to quit. You ARE quit. It is a state of being. The psychological term is “Identity Development”. There is no try, there is. It is now part of your identity. “Quit” is who you are.
72 hours of physical withdrawal is nothing to the user because the user has been managing physical withdrawal symptoms the entire duration of the addiction. What is scary? Can the addict fundamentally change his/her Self-Identity? Can the addict quit for the rest of his/her life? Quit for the rest of your life? How is that possible? These notions can scare a potential quitter into choosing addiction over freedom.
There is good news. You do not have to quit for the rest of your life. Simply choose to quit today. Do not worry about baseball next March. Do not worry about next monthÂ’s exams. Do not worry about TuesdayÂ’s deadline. Quit today. The body will adjust. The psyche will adjust. You will gradually and often unnoticeably reinvent what it is to be you. You shall be restored one day at a time.
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Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.
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Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.
It's temporary, man.
The pain is temporary.
Being quit is epic.
Do you think those we read about in the history books made it directly there? Nope. They fucking walked the walk one step at a time. We'd like to think that we just find ourselves quit one day, but it's a lot of trending towards quit before we feel quit. It's being badass like you and saying "fuck off" to the offered pinch. It's getting through breakfast and praying that lunch comes to prove to ourselves that time is not standing still in this.
Eventually, you will get to have rational thoughts again. Your first thought won't be about the stuff, and it won't be on your mind all day. In fact, that day is approaching rapidly. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Keep being badass. Watch with optimism and caution as you approach the tunnel's exit. Most importantly....keep on deciding to be quit.
It's fucking epic.
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Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.
It's temporary, man.
The pain is temporary.
Being quit is epic.
Do you think those we read about in the history books made it directly there? Nope. They fucking walked the walk one step at a time. We'd like to think that we just find ourselves quit one day, but it's a lot of trending towards quit before we feel quit. It's being badass like you and saying "fuck off" to the offered pinch. It's getting through breakfast and praying that lunch comes to prove to ourselves that time is not standing still in this.
Eventually, you will get to have rational thoughts again. Your first thought won't be about the stuff, and it won't be on your mind all day. In fact, that day is approaching rapidly. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Keep being badass. Watch with optimism and caution as you approach the tunnel's exit. Most importantly....keep on deciding to be quit.
It's fucking epic.
Waste wrote you a solid quit poem. Stash that one away in your memory banks, and quit on.
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Day 5 is almost done. Mornings aren't that bad, the evenings though... all I do after chow is sit in my room, miss my wife, and wait for sleep which usually takes its sweet ass time. I know the nicotine is out of my system but I would kill for a nice fat lip right about now. I wonder how bad the fake dip is for you, because I have been packing bombs with Hooch mint. Obviously it's still better than real dip.
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Day 5 is almost done. Mornings aren't that bad, the evenings though... all I do after chow is sit in my room, miss my wife, and wait for sleep which usually takes its sweet ass time. I know the nicotine is out of my system but I would kill for a nice fat lip right about now. I wonder how bad the fake dip is for you, because I have been packing bombs with Hooch mint. Obviously it's still better than real dip.
The fake dip is nowhere near as bad for you as the nicotine. Best I can figure, the biggest issue with the fake is just pressure on your gums. There is nothing in those cans that are really bad for you, you are just going to continue pressuring your gums. I used fake for probably 75 days or so of my quit. Bottom line, keep using it if that is what is helping you. I can't relate the circumstances of my quit to yours, because I am not down range, but do whatever you have to do to stay quit and keep your mind off. I noticed you said alcohol isn't an issue there, and that is a great thing. Alcohol has killed so many quits so early on. It just isn't worth it.
The nicotine is out of your system, but your brain is still wired to having that feeling in your lip. At this point, it is just a mindset, but it is powerful to say the least. This is where the Hooch is clutch. It helped me so much, and then I just eventually stopped.
Also, thank you for your service!
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You're coming up on 30 days quit. Prior to that you wanted to rationalize, to strategize, to slowly wean yourself off, but didn't really address the simple act of being quit.
Now look at you. You are quit. One day at a time.
As it turns out, the best plan to get over the obstacle was to stop using the obstacle.
How does it feel to be executing the plan for nearly a month now?