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Title: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: ROBDANJOE on July 30, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
Yesterday was the last dip of my life. It has to be. I know that no one on this site uses patches, gums, etc - neither am I. I am just introducing myself so that you all know who I am when I post angry, I can't do this anymore messages.

My name is Dan. Today I decided to quit dipping. I don't want to die. I don't want to be a slave anymore. I am scared to death that I am going to fail.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: klark on July 30, 2012, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Yesterday was the last dip of my life. It has to be. I know that no one on this site uses patches, gums, etc - neither am I. I am just introducing myself so that you all know who I am when I post angry, I can't do this anymore messages.

My name is Dan. Today I decided to quit dipping. I don't want to die. I don't want to be a slave anymore. I am scared to death that I am going to fail.
Quit today, all anyone asks. No one will ever ask you for anything more than that.

You made the decision to quit now honor it, do it again when you wake up tomorrow.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Notdeadyet on July 30, 2012, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Yesterday was the last dip of my life. It has to be. I know that no one on this site uses patches, gums, etc - neither am I. I am just introducing myself so that you all know who I am when I post angry, I can't do this anymore messages.

My name is Dan. Today I decided to quit dipping. I don't want to die. I don't want to be a slave anymore. I am scared to death that I am going to fail.
Post roll call. Keep your promise. Repeat. Garranteed 100% quit success if you do this - you can NOT fail if you CHOOSE to quit. Ban the shit. Burn the bridge. Slam the door. Make quitting your number one priority in your life.

From your words I know you are a winner.

Welcome to the club of free men and women!
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Wedge on July 30, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: klark
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Yesterday was the last dip of my life.  It has to be.  I know that no one on this site uses patches, gums, etc - neither am I.  I am just introducing myself so that you all know who I am when I post angry, I can't do this anymore messages.

My name is Dan.  Today I decided to quit dipping.  I don't want to die.  I don't want to be a slave anymore.  I am scared to death that I am going to fail.
Quit today, all anyone asks. No one will ever ask you for anything more than that.

You made the decision to quit now honor it, do it again when you wake up tomorrow.
Klark said it Dan. You have now made the commitment to quit, and it's up to you to make it stick. You have all the tools and support you could ever need here on this website. Quitting takes guts and determination, along with some support along the way. We will do our part if you hold up your end of the deal.

Let me know if you need anything. I congratulate you on your decision to save your life. Stick with us, you are in good hands.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: dippshit on July 30, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Yesterday was the last dip of my life.  It has to be.  I know that no one on this site uses patches, gums, etc - neither am I.  I am just introducing myself so that you all know who I am when I post angry, I can't do this anymore messages.

My name is Dan.  Today I decided to quit dipping.  I don't want to die.  I don't want to be a slave anymore.  I am scared to death that I am going to fail.
Your scared this wont stick?

I have a secret plan that if followed, you cant fail.

Here it is.

Check out the Welcome Center (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13), read #3  #4, they show you why and how we post roll. Posting roll is a promise to yourself and your quit brothers to not use nicotine that day, once you make that promise you have given your word, if your a man of your word, you'll keep it.

This is a video showing you How to Post Roll. (http://www.killthecan.org/roll/)

This is your group. November 2012 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6793). Because you hit 100 days in November.

Go make your promise.

Keep your word.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: ROBDANJOE on July 30, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
So I think I figured out the Roll Call and did that correctly. It is a great idea. But from 8:00am to 8:00am after posting roll call, where can I go to verbally punch a wall because every water bottle, paper cup, trash can is staring at me like it is a spitter that wants to be used?
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Deleted User (sccrockett) on July 30, 2012, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
So I think I figured out the Roll Call and did that correctly. It is a great idea. But from 8:00am to 8:00am after posting roll call, where can I go to verbally punch a wall because every water bottle, paper cup, trash can is staring at me like it is a spitter that wants to be used?
Quit group is a great fucking place for that. Or intro thread. Or wherever the fuck else you want.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: jaginvest on July 30, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
So I think I figured out the Roll Call and did that correctly. It is a great idea. But from 8:00am to 8:00am after posting roll call, where can I go to verbally punch a wall because every water bottle, paper cup, trash can is staring at me like it is a spitter that wants to be used?
Right fucking here Brother. You can say whatever you want, don't mean we all have to agree with you on everything you say, but you can BY GOD say it here.

Other options, PM some quitters in your group or any other group and swap phone numbers. Text RAGE all fucking day, no one will get mad at you or tired of it. We are all together. This WILL get easier, just promise us today, we will give you everything we have!

JUST STAY FUCKING QUIT AT ALL COST! With you BRO! Post, stay quit, repeat....easy as that!
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: wastepanel on July 30, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Or, for a more imediate response, go to live chat (http://chat.killthecan.org/). There's almost always somebody there, and the conversations can be quite...interesting.

I would also suggest trading cell numbers with some of your brothers and some vets. Throw out a text when a craving hits. Throw out a text just to say hi.

Don't punch the wall because of the water bottles' behavior. Everybody knows that those guys are pretentious dooshes and they'll get what's coming to them one day (i.e. You want to get them back? Drink their fucking contents empty and piss all up in them, shake it up, and laugh. Maybe give the wall a high-five or something. I guaran-fucking-tee they won't make eye contact with you again today.)
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: 30isEnuff on July 30, 2012, 03:56:00 PM
hi ROBDANJOE,
Scared? stayed scared Dan. Let the fear scare the addiction right out of you! I am day 67 and still scared shitless that I'll cave tonight! I win the battle one day at a time. I can't worry about tomorrow, cause it isn't here yet. Dan, I dipped 30 years, 24/7, 2 cans a day. Always had a dip in and planning my next all the time, except when I was sleeping or screwing. I never dreamed that I could really quit. I always told myself that when I win the lottery I could quit work and pay to have myself admitted into one of those dryout houses for 30 days and then I could stay quit. Well, I found out that I don't need the lottery to quit dipping! This is my 1st and last quit. I have not stopped nor am I taking a break from dipping. This is my quit, I own it! I post roll everyday and cannot believe that 67 days have passed! It is a fantastic feeling that you get by quitting one day at a time.
Get in here dan and quit and stay quit. 'zombie'
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: ROBDANJOE on August 04, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Keddy on August 04, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else for the struggles of quitting, especially your loved ones.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Ready on August 04, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
I will have positive thoughts for your son, you and yours.

Never again, for any reson.

You can do this.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: 30yraddict on August 04, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Scowick65 on August 04, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Fantastic. Rob, you can do this. Quit for yourself. You were meant to be here. Not only will you be there for your beautiful child. You sure going to change someone's life here. PM if you need any assistance. :)
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: luby on August 04, 2012, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Fantastic. Rob, you can do this. Quit for yourself. You were meant to be here. Not only will you be there for your beautiful child. You sure going to change someone's life here. PM if you need any assistance. :)
Fantastic job facing the most stressful week imaginable while quitting nicotine. You sir are a bad ass quitter. I will quit with you today. PM me if you want any help.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: dr_jones_25 on August 04, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: Luby
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Fantastic. Rob, you can do this. Quit for yourself. You were meant to be here. Not only will you be there for your beautiful child. You sure going to change someone's life here. PM if you need any assistance. :)
Fantastic job facing the most stressful week imaginable while quitting nicotine. You sir are a bad ass quitter. I will quit with you today. PM me if you want any help.
NO SHIT!! This is motivation if anyone needs it!! Hopefully after reading this story we don't hear any "I just got a little drunk and then....." cave stories. I quit with you!!!
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Roamcountry on August 04, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: dr_jones_25
Quote from: Luby
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Fantastic. Rob, you can do this. Quit for yourself. You were meant to be here. Not only will you be there for your beautiful child. You sure going to change someone's life here. PM if you need any assistance. :)
Fantastic job facing the most stressful week imaginable while quitting nicotine. You sir are a bad ass quitter. I will quit with you today. PM me if you want any help.
NO SHIT!! This is motivation if anyone needs it!! Hopefully after reading this story we don't hear any "I just got a little drunk and then....." cave stories. I quit with you!!!
Very humbling to read this post. Prayers lifted for you and your family. Proud to be quit with you!
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Wt57 on August 04, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: Roamcountry
Quote from: dr_jones_25
Quote from: Luby
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
Thanks to everyone for their support and prayers for my son. For those that don't know, my 1 yr old was diagnosed with an egg sized brain tumor on Monday, about 10 hrs after posting my first roll call. His surgery was this past Thursday and it went very well. All initial indicators show that the tumor is benign but final pathology on Tuesday will tell us for certain. I truly appreciate the outreach I received from people that have known me for 10 seconds. What a great group of brothers at KTC. My boys recovery will be long and difficult but it looks like the scariest part is over. Today I am quit six days. I have all the motivation I will need to stay quit. Before this, I couldn't quit for my son even though I tried several times. Call me selfish but each day I quit will be for me - for a chance to spend more time with the people I love.
Wow, ROBDANJOE, that's good news and we'll keep praying for your son.

You've got it right. Quit for yourself. You don't want to blame anyone else, especially your loved ones for the struggles of quitting.

I'm proud of you, brother. If you can quit through this, you can quit through anything.
Very powerful post, Robdanjoe. Thank you, and prayers are sent your way. 6 days of freedom, claimed despite extreme hardship is admirable indeed.

Proud to be quit with you,

Dale
Fantastic. Rob, you can do this. Quit for yourself. You were meant to be here. Not only will you be there for your beautiful child. You sure going to change someone's life here. PM if you need any assistance. :)
Fantastic job facing the most stressful week imaginable while quitting nicotine. You sir are a bad ass quitter. I will quit with you today. PM me if you want any help.
NO SHIT!! This is motivation if anyone needs it!! Hopefully after reading this story we don't hear any "I just got a little drunk and then....." cave stories. I quit with you!!!
Very humbling to read this post. Prayers lifted for you and your family. Proud to be quit with you!
I admire your strength! My prayers continue for you, your family and your son! God bless you!
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: ROBDANJOE on April 25, 2014, 01:29:00 AM
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: mrwest on April 25, 2014, 01:36:00 AM
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Wasn't in your group, but I wish the best for your son and your family. Hang in there and stay quit.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: sixercountry on April 25, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: mrwest
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Wasn't in your group, but I wish the best for your son and your family. Hang in there and stay quit.
do not know what to even say to this.......Your son sounds like a fighter. He fought before and he will now.....Your family is in my prayers. stay quit brother.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: Steelers on April 25, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: sixercountry
Quote from: mrwest
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Wasn't in your group, but I wish the best for your son and your family. Hang in there and stay quit.
do not know what to even say to this.......Your son sounds like a fighter. He fought before and he will now.....Your family is in my prayers. stay quit brother.
My prayers are with you and your family. May god bless you all and heal your son.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: SirDerek on April 25, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Steelers
Quote from: sixercountry
Quote from: mrwest
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Wasn't in your group, but I wish the best for your son and your family. Hang in there and stay quit.
do not know what to even say to this.......Your son sounds like a fighter. He fought before and he will now.....Your family is in my prayers. stay quit brother.
My prayers are with you and your family. May god bless you all and heal your son.
Well my friend, you are still quit so you are still a part of that great class of Nov 2012.

Never forget your family here and thanks for getting back in here. All of our prayers from my family at home and from the Oct12 madmen to you and yours.
Title: Re: looking down the long, dark road;
Post by: beenthere on April 25, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: SirDerek
Quote from: Steelers
Quote from: sixercountry
Quote from: mrwest
Quote from: ROBDANJOE
I was part of the great class of Nov 2012. Still quit today. I remember my first post - it was the day my 21 month old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The first month of my posts were from the hospital. He had his first surgery on August 3,2012. He's three now. Today we learned that his tumor is back. He needs another surgery. Prayers would be appreciated. Remember why you quit - for you. Remember who is relying on you to stay that way. Life is too short as it is. Stay strong brothers.
Wasn't in your group, but I wish the best for your son and your family. Hang in there and stay quit.
do not know what to even say to this.......Your son sounds like a fighter. He fought before and he will now.....Your family is in my prayers. stay quit brother.
My prayers are with you and your family. May god bless you all and heal your son.
Well my friend, you are still quit so you are still a part of that great class of Nov 2012.

Never forget your family here and thanks for getting back in here. All of our prayers from my family at home and from the Oct12 madmen to you and yours.
My prayers are with you and your family. PM if you need a number from a member of NOV 2012, come post with us as well. Pretty quite in the room now.