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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: GlennFtheKodiak on March 29, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
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Guess I am supposed to introduce myself? Hope this is the right place.
15-year Kodiak user.
Quit for 6 months in 1998 'cause I was seriously ill.
Never even close to that time period since then.
Had a gum graft 2 weeks ago. Decided THAT was finally the time to do it.
Must say, the pain, and fact I couldn't do it even if I wanted to, helped immensly this time. But feeling much, much better about it. Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump.
Stumbled onto this site. Looks like a good bunch of dudes (and ladies).
I go back to the perio mid-April and a month or so after that have the other side done.
Feel good though. Thanks for reading.
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Guess I am supposed to introduce myself? Hope this is the right place.
15-year Kodiak user.
Quit for 6 months in 1998 'cause I was seriously ill.
Never even close to that time period since then.
Had a gum graft 2 weeks ago. Decided THAT was finally the time to do it.
Must say, the pain, and fact I couldn't do it even if I wanted to, helped immensly this time. But feeling much, much better about it. Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump.
Stumbled onto this site. Looks like a good bunch of dudes (and ladies).
I go back to the perio mid-April and a month or so after that have the other side done.
Feel good though. Thanks for reading.
You made a great stumble onto this site bro!! Welcome. Snoop around, you'll find good shit!! :ph43r:
Wildcat99
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Guess I am supposed to introduce myself? Hope this is the right place.
15-year Kodiak user.
Quit for 6 months in 1998 'cause I was seriously ill.
Never even close to that time period since then.
Had a gum graft 2 weeks ago. Decided THAT was finally the time to do it.
Must say, the pain, and fact I couldn't do it even if I wanted to, helped immensly this time. But feeling much, much better about it. Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump.
Stumbled onto this site. Looks like a good bunch of dudes (and ladies).
I go back to the perio mid-April and a month or so after that have the other side done.
Feel good though. Thanks for reading.
Welcome! Congrats on the 2 weeks!
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... Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump...
This may be a dumb question, but are you talking about nicotine gum? If you're going the NRT route, have a clearly defined strategy to break the nicotine addiction and don't deviate from it one bit.
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... Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump...
This may be a dumb question, but are you talking about nicotine gum? If you're going the NRT route, have a clearly defined strategy to break the nicotine addiction and don't deviate from it one bit.
NRT=nicotine replacement therapy, I am guessing?
Is that frowned upon?
I'm not really doing the program like I used to, 9 pieces a day and dreamin all day about Kodiak. Just take a piece when it got really bad.
I dunno, things are different this time. I've heard from other quitters whether it's cigarettes or dip that when the time came, they just put it down. Obviously that hasn't been the case for me and so many others, but my mindset is right this time.
I'm just not going crazy with the withdrawls, not supplementing it with 3 bags of sunflower seeds, chewing gum, dreaming about it. I'm sorta almost past it already.
Like I said I think the pain from the surgery and knowing I couldn't do it, and knowing this was about the end of the line for my mouth, that this was it.
I know I am not over the hump yet, which is why I am here. I will dig around the site to see if there are some things I should be doing.
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... Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump...
This may be a dumb question, but are you talking about nicotine gum? If you're going the NRT route, have a clearly defined strategy to break the nicotine addiction and don't deviate from it one bit.
NRT=nicotine replacement therapy, I am guessing?
Is that frowned upon?
I'm not really doing the program like I used to, 9 pieces a day and dreamin all day about Kodiak. Just take a piece when it got really bad.
I dunno, things are different this time. I've heard from other quitters whether it's cigarettes or dip that when the time came, they just put it down. Obviously that hasn't been the case for me and so many others, but my mindset is right this time.
I'm just not going crazy with the withdrawls, not supplementing it with 3 bags of sunflower seeds, chewing gum, dreaming about it. I'm sorta almost past it already.
Like I said I think the pain from the surgery and knowing I couldn't do it, and knowing this was about the end of the line for my mouth, that this was it.
I know I am not over the hump yet, which is why I am here. I will dig around the site to see if there are some things I should be doing.
Many people on the site frown on Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT), but posting roll call is allowed provided that you are following a prescribed plan to the letter. You must be on a plan that leads steadily to cessation of nicotine and not stray from it one bit, otherwise you have never addressed the root of the whole problem: nicotine addiction. Each time you use the gum to get a nic-fix and kill a craving it puts you back at day-1 in terms of your physical addiction.
I started out my quit with 12 days on the patch. That was 12 days of hell; the much lower level of nicotine kept me in a constant state of withdrawal. I dropped the NRT after 12 days and posted up a day-1 on this site, and was past the withdrawals in four days. Things have been getting better ever since. The NRT was a great device to shake up my pattern and get started, but that's about it.
All it really takes is a few horrible days and you're past the bulk of the physical addiction. I'd recommend that you start right now, the instant you read this, and just get it over with.
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... Down to a few pieces of gum a day and feel I am almost over the dreaded 2 week hump...
This may be a dumb question, but are you talking about nicotine gum? If you're going the NRT route, have a clearly defined strategy to break the nicotine addiction and don't deviate from it one bit.
NRT=nicotine replacement therapy, I am guessing?
Is that frowned upon?
I'm not really doing the program like I used to, 9 pieces a day and dreamin all day about Kodiak. Just take a piece when it got really bad.
I dunno, things are different this time. I've heard from other quitters whether it's cigarettes or dip that when the time came, they just put it down. Obviously that hasn't been the case for me and so many others, but my mindset is right this time.
I'm just not going crazy with the withdrawls, not supplementing it with 3 bags of sunflower seeds, chewing gum, dreaming about it. I'm sorta almost past it already.
Like I said I think the pain from the surgery and knowing I couldn't do it, and knowing this was about the end of the line for my mouth, that this was it.
I know I am not over the hump yet, which is why I am here. I will dig around the site to see if there are some things I should be doing.
Many people on the site frown on Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT), but posting roll call is allowed provided that you are following a prescribed plan to the letter. You must be on a plan that leads steadily to cessation of nicotine and not stray from it one bit, otherwise you have never addressed the root of the whole problem: nicotine addiction. Each time you use the gum to get a nic-fix and kill a craving it puts you back at day-1 in terms of your physical addiction.
I started out my quit with 12 days on the patch. That was 12 days of hell; the much lower level of nicotine kept me in a constant state of withdrawal. I dropped the NRT after 12 days and posted up a day-1 on this site, and was past the withdrawals in four days. Things have been getting better ever since. The NRT was a great device to shake up my pattern and get started, but that's about it.
All it really takes is a few horrible days and you're past the bulk of the physical addiction. I'd recommend that you start right now, the instant you read this, and just get it over with.
yes sir, I've just been doing some reading before I got your post and realize why it's not acceptable, and it makes sense. Alot of sense.
Listen, i am borderline ADD, my mind races a million miles a minute, I have very bad concentration so for me, it's just like, OK I am quitting, I am not going to read the NRT program but I'll chew a few pieces of gum, I'll join this website, but not really pay attention to it, etc. etc. probably why I was never successful.
I am trying to slow down. And realize that I need to do this the right way.
So I will gladly go back to day 1, starting today.
This is why I came here to be put in my place. THANKS.
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So I will gladly go back to day 1, starting today.
Perfect. Welcome aboard!
Send me a PM if there's anything I can do to help.
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So I will gladly go back to day 1, starting today.
Perfect. Welcome aboard!
Send me a PM if there's anything I can do to help.
LOL, you bastard, I thought you were going to say, never mind. Fine, day fucking 1.
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In case anyone is interested...this is day 2 of ZERO nicotine. 15 days without the Bear, but only second without the gum.
Things got a little hairy yesterday, guess a bunch of guys thought I had bailed on my recovery/withdrawl and wasn't taking this seriously. To the contrary, I am so serious, that when I realized that NRT was so frowned upon I was ready, without a fight, to go back to day 1. I hope everybody realizes that now.
And man, the influx of PM's flooding my Inbox? How great is that? Real good bunch of guys on here.
I feel really good this time. I have tried so many times before, some half heartedly, some more serious, but have always failed.
I think the dentist and subsequent gum graft really sealed the deal for me. Sure, 10 years ago I had a sore in my mouth that when biopsied came back as some nicotine related pre-cancer and that didn't stop me. But I am tired of feeling like a jerkoff and going to the dentist. I am tired of my kids looking like me like I am a loser. I am tired of being the only coach on the field sneaking in a dip at practice. I am tired of buying coffee (which I dont drink) and spilling it out because I forgot a cup. Or shuffeling around the box in my car and winding up spitting in an advil bottle because that was the only thing I could find.
You guys know all the fucking stories. The medical scares. The sneaks. The lies.
Anyway glad to be here.
Glenn
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In case anyone is interested...this is day 2 of ZERO nicotine. 15 days without the Bear, but only second without the gum.
Things got a little hairy yesterday, guess a bunch of guys thought I had bailed on my recovery/withdrawl and wasn't taking this seriously. To the contrary, I am so serious, that when I realized that NRT was so frowned upon I was ready, without a fight, to go back to day 1. I hope everybody realizes that now.
And man, the influx of PM's flooding my Inbox? How great is that? Real good bunch of guys on here.
I feel really good this time. I have tried so many times before, some half heartedly, some more serious, but have always failed.
I think the dentist and subsequent gum graft really sealed the deal for me. Sure, 10 years ago I had a sore in my mouth that when biopsied came back as some nicotine related pre-cancer and that didn't stop me. But I am tired of feeling like a jerkoff and going to the dentist. I am tired of my kids looking like me like I am a loser. I am tired of being the only coach on the field sneaking in a dip at practice. I am tired of buying coffee (which I dont drink) and spilling it out because I forgot a cup. Or shuffeling around the box in my car and winding up spitting in an advil bottle because that was the only thing I could find.
You guys know all the fucking stories. The medical scares. The sneaks. The lies.
Anyway glad to be here.
Glenn
'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 'clap'
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In case anyone is interested...this is day 2 of ZERO nicotine. 15 days without the Bear, but only second without the gum.
Things got a little hairy yesterday, guess a bunch of guys thought I had bailed on my recovery/withdrawl and wasn't taking this seriously. To the contrary, I am so serious, that when I realized that NRT was so frowned upon I was ready, without a fight, to go back to day 1. I hope everybody realizes that now.
And man, the influx of PM's flooding my Inbox? How great is that? Real good bunch of guys on here.
I feel really good this time. I have tried so many times before, some half heartedly, some more serious, but have always failed.
I think the dentist and subsequent gum graft really sealed the deal for me. Sure, 10 years ago I had a sore in my mouth that when biopsied came back as some nicotine related pre-cancer and that didn't stop me. But I am tired of feeling like a jerkoff and going to the dentist. I am tired of my kids looking like me like I am a loser. I am tired of being the only coach on the field sneaking in a dip at practice. I am tired of buying coffee (which I dont drink) and spilling it out because I forgot a cup. Or shuffeling around the box in my car and winding up spitting in an advil bottle because that was the only thing I could find.
You guys know all the fucking stories. The medical scares. The sneaks. The lies.
Anyway glad to be here.
Glenn
Well then, Welcome to Day 2!
We'll all be there for you on day 3. Day 3 sucked like a ten dollar crack whore for me.
Keep us posted. And please feel free to rant. We've all had a least one or two. :D
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In case anyone is interested...this is day 2 of ZERO nicotine. 15 days without the Bear, but only second without the gum.
Things got a little hairy yesterday, guess a bunch of guys thought I had bailed on my recovery/withdrawl and wasn't taking this seriously. To the contrary, I am so serious, that when I realized that NRT was so frowned upon I was ready, without a fight, to go back to day 1. I hope everybody realizes that now.
And man, the influx of PM's flooding my Inbox? How great is that? Real good bunch of guys on here.
I feel really good this time. I have tried so many times before, some half heartedly, some more serious, but have always failed.
I think the dentist and subsequent gum graft really sealed the deal for me. Sure, 10 years ago I had a sore in my mouth that when biopsied came back as some nicotine related pre-cancer and that didn't stop me. But I am tired of feeling like a jerkoff and going to the dentist. I am tired of my kids looking like me like I am a loser. I am tired of being the only coach on the field sneaking in a dip at practice. I am tired of buying coffee (which I dont drink) and spilling it out because I forgot a cup. Or shuffeling around the box in my car and winding up spitting in an advil bottle because that was the only thing I could find.
You guys know all the fucking stories. The medical scares. The sneaks. The lies.
Anyway glad to be here.
Glenn
I'm damn glad you are here as well. I read this in an old roll thread and loved the hell out of it. Thought it might be slightly applicable to what you just posted:
The old saying goes "you can not bullshit a bullshitter". We are experts. We've heard them all and perpetrated most. Dip has made us liars, cheats, and thieves. So know, that we are no better than you...we just want you clean!
Again, I didn't write it but it sure hit the nail on the head for me. I was amazed at how much these folks cared about my quit - far more than I did early on. This is a good place you have found.
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Yep and you and a couple of the other fellas have been great so far. Appreciate it. Heh, it's like I wouldn't even want to let you guys down now.
Staying strong...feeling good.
Glenn
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Heh, it's like I wouldn't even want to let you guys down now.
and the light comes on...
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Heh, it's like I wouldn't even want to let you guys down now.
and the light comes on...
The only way you can let me down is if you give up on yourself.
Excellent quittin' Glenn! We are with you.
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Heh, it's like I wouldn't even want to let you guys down now.
and the light comes on...
BINGO!
Sorry to jump in on your guys' thread, but gotta say it sure is cool to see someone point out how simple it is at the core of it all.
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Holy fuck fellas. I just got finished yelling at my girlfriend/fiance, and she's like, "what's wrong with you today". Now by nature, and especially the last few months cause business is really shitty so far this year, I'm a pretty stressful guy....but then I'm like, "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 'cause I haven't used the gum in 2 days......"
And it started hitting me. I have been all fucked today.
So anyway, I thought I was soooooooo smart. All this "feel pretty good" stuff and "I'm in a good space", well I guess the gum, although only a piece here and there must have been helping the last 10 days or so. LOL
Anyway, just wanted to share. I feel as SHITTY now as the rest of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't worry, I ain't caving!!!!!!!!!!
Day 3 tomorrow................
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Holy fuck fellas. I just got finished yelling at my girlfriend/fiance, and she's like, "what's wrong with you today". Now by nature, and especially the last few months cause business is really shitty so far this year, I'm a pretty stressful guy....but then I'm like, "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 'cause I haven't used the gum in 2 days......"
And it started hitting me. I have been all fucked today.
So anyway, I thought I was soooooooo smart. All this "feel pretty good" stuff and "I'm in a good space", well I guess the gum, although only a piece here and there must have been helping the last 10 days or so. LOL
Anyway, just wanted to share. I feel as SHITTY now as the rest of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't worry, I ain't caving!!!!!!!!!!
Day 3 tomorrow................
You know you owe your girlfriend now right... Big time. :D
Come here and yell at these guys. They love it!
Stay strong. Day 3 will probably suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. But you'll make it. When it gets bad, come back here.
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Holy fuck fellas. I just got finished yelling at my girlfriend/fiance, and she's like, "what's wrong with you today". Now by nature, and especially the last few months cause business is really shitty so far this year, I'm a pretty stressful guy....but then I'm like, "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 'cause I haven't used the gum in 2 days......"
And it started hitting me. I have been all fucked today.
So anyway, I thought I was soooooooo smart. All this "feel pretty good" stuff and "I'm in a good space", well I guess the gum, although only a piece here and there must have been helping the last 10 days or so. LOL
Anyway, just wanted to share. I feel as SHITTY now as the rest of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't worry, I ain't caving!!!!!!!!!!
Day 3 tomorrow................
You know you owe your girlfriend now right... Big time. :D
Come here and yell at these guys. They love it!
Stay strong. Day 3 will probably suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. But you'll make it. When it gets bad, come back here.
Thanks, brother. Made me laugh.
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Holy fuck fellas. I just got finished yelling at my girlfriend/fiance, and she's like, "what's wrong with you today". Now by nature, and especially the last few months cause business is really shitty so far this year, I'm a pretty stressful guy....but then I'm like, "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 'cause I haven't used the gum in 2 days......"
And it started hitting me. I have been all fucked today.
So anyway, I thought I was soooooooo smart. All this "feel pretty good" stuff and "I'm in a good space", well I guess the gum, although only a piece here and there must have been helping the last 10 days or so. LOL
Anyway, just wanted to share. I feel as SHITTY now as the rest of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't worry, I ain't caving!!!!!!!!!!
Day 3 tomorrow................
Yup... that's about what I'd expect from day 2. You're about half-way through the toughest part, just stick it out and you won't have to go through it again.
I'd recommend doing a few things:
1) Go apologize to your girlfriend/fiance. Explain to her that your addiction is not her fault, and that this is one of the toughest things you've ever done.
2) If you feel like it, come back here and yell at ME for being a condescending ass.
3) Find inanimate objects to take out your frustrations on. One of my favorites was kicking a 100-lb heavy bag wearing my heavy work boots. Another good one is beating a trash can with an axe handle. Use what you have available and be creative, but don't take it out on the people around you.
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Thanks for the advice! I know....not good.
It actually wasn't that bad. We've been "bickering" all week. Fucking wedding shit!!!!!
Looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue.
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Thanks for the advice! I know....not good.
It actually wasn't that bad. We've been "bickering" all week. Fucking wedding shit!!!!!
Looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue.
Glenn...your doing great...just keep that accountable post every day.
movie quote...Airplane...funny/ridiculous movie. I loved it.
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Thanks for the advice! I know....not good.
It actually wasn't that bad. We've been "bickering" all week. Fucking wedding shit!!!!!
Looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue.
Yeah...this is just some general advice. When it come to the the wedding stuff, let her be right. I've even heard of taking the approach of offering an opinion/disagreeing with every 5th wedding related decision...shows involvement, but keeps you out of the bride's way. I didn't do that, but I kind of like the plan.
I don't know that I would necessarily follow my advice here, but the important thing to remember is she has been thinking about wedding stuff since she was a child...like planning shit in her head!! While it it a momumental day to both of you...it is a HUGE MOMENT TO HER. Just my two cents...pick your battles in life - the color of the flowers or what kind of cake just really aren't going to matter to you in the big scheme of things.
As far as the snapping and yelling...I would play real nice make up. It will be very helpful to you to have her as an ally, not an adversary. I think the other guys are right on that. I know you said it wasn't that serious, but do get her backing you on this...it helps.
Next time you're Jones'n hard, watch this and remember you are better off than this dumb-ass,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU)
Stop calling me Shirley
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU)
I just sprayed my computer screen watching this video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU)
I just sprayed my computer screen watching this video
HA HA HA. You guys are a riot. That freakin' clip was hilarious.
I just keep telling my gf (can u tell I hate saying fiance?) about the advice you guys are giving about being nice to her and she's loving this site. She said she is very supportive but wanted to remind me that she quit smoking in one day (that was a fuck you) but then did admit to sneaking cigarrettes for about a year.
It's all good. She's far from a bridezilla. I'll reveal more about our situation as I am on here, don't want to bore you with my life. But we're faggidly in love. Us against the world, that kinda shit. Just didn't expect wedding fever to hit her like this. It's actually kinda cute, you would never expect it from her, so you guys are right, I guess every chick dreams of this shit no matter what they say.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU)
I just sprayed my computer screen watching this video
HA HA HA. You guys are a riot. That freakin' clip was hilarious.
I just keep telling my gf (can u tell I hate saying fiance?) about the advice you guys are giving about being nice to her and she's loving this site. She said she is very supportive but wanted to remind me that she quit smoking in one day (that was a fuck you) but then did admit to sneaking cigarrettes for about a year.
It's all good. She's far from a bridezilla. I'll reveal more about our situation as I am on here, don't want to bore you with my life. But we're faggidly in love. Us against the world, that kinda shit. Just didn't expect wedding fever to hit her like this. It's actually kinda cute, you would never expect it from her, so you guys are right, I guess every chick dreams of this shit no matter what they say.
All women suffer from "wedding fever". ALL.
Just wait till she gets "baby fever". 'Crazy'
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All women suffer from "wedding fever". ALL.
Just wait till she gets "baby fever". 'Crazy'
Amen, Brother
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I love the cop/brownie escapade because you know that guy has totally hassled and busted people for smoking dope.
I'm still in a funny video kind of mood. Watch this one first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_1YgYdGzXA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_1YgYdGzXA)
Then this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-JfYYaBpA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-JfYYaBpA)
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Tired of this shit.
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I hear ya, one day I dont even think about it, the next Im sick of the fact that it even crosses my mind. Hang tough
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Tired of this shit.
Hang in there bro'. You're kicking ass. Nobody said this would be easy. There will be a day in the future where the thought of tobacco doesn't exist. It takes time. I'm in the same spot as you.
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You have been here longer than me, and given me encouragement. So know this motherfucker, you miss roll call one day, you wont see me make roll call the next. Hang tough. Failure is not an option....its a fucking domino effect.
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Hang tough I had a bad weekend also but it aint going to win.
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Hey guys you are just going through a normal phase that will pass!!!! This was taken from 7iron's HOF speech, it really helped me when I was in my second month. Hope it helps you also!!!!!!!
To those of you currently in your second month:
Congratulations on a month free of tobacco. You should be proud of yourself for you have fought hard and succeeded at doing something few have attempted and even fewer have accomplished. Do not lose focus and do not let your guard down. You cannot coast, but you can draw strength from the success of the first month and allow that confidence to propel you into the second.
I should also warn you that many have experienced a boredom phase during the second month. I hit the bored stretch right at 50 days. Something changed in the life of my quit where I just got tired of everything. Tired of reading, tired of posting, tired of thinking, tired of quitting ... I just ran out of steam. I started to really struggle and had a “is this really worth it?” attitude. "Perhaps a short hiatus from this quit - get my mind and my life settled a bit, then I'll start again." Part of me just wanted to give in and go back to the can. Lots of lies were being told within the confines of my mind, but I recognized them as lies. The truth remained that I was better off without tobacco. I KNEW I was - I really did, but my mind kept trying to play tricks on me.
You see, during the first 30 days, each day is tough for its own reasons, but it's like we have a real enemy to wage war against. There is "fuel" to keep us fighting and staying motivated is relatively easy.
Where are you in your quit? 30, 40, 50 days? This has been hard ... THE hardest thing you've ever done, right? Certainly you are tired, exhausted. You have every right to be. This is hard, demanding work. You get no breaks - you must continue to fight ... every day, morning, noon and night through every trigger, every stress and all the boredom. Everything you used to do, your entire life, involved tobacco. It made boring tasks bearable. It helped perk you up when you were groggy. It helped calm you down when you were stressed. It made the good times more enjoyable.
Lies, lies, lies ... and you believed them ... all of them.
Now you know better, but you have been conditioned for so long ... 10, 20, 30 years or more. It is going to take time brothers. The last 30, 40 or 50 days seem like a lifetime. I know. I went through it too.
In order to get through this boredom phase you need to keep your quit alive. Remember why you quit. Remember what tobacco has taken from you. Your health, your money, time away from your friends and family, your self respect, peace of mind ... the list goes on. Doesn't that piss you off? It should!!!!
Use that to keep your quit alive. It is important that you remember the difficulties of quitting. You need to make sure that the pain and heartache you are currently experiencing are never forgotten. Our minds, over time, have a way of softening the hard edges. There is nothing soft or easy about quitting smokeless tobacco. Commit to memory the agony of these first few weeks.
That being said, the first month probably felt like three. I remember constantly looking at my watch wondering how time could possibly be going so slow. It is important that you also recognize this principle ... "every step away from tobacco is one step closer to freedom." You need to simply put some distance between yourself and your past associations with snuff. Build dip free memories and by so doing, you will be breaking the strings that tie you to your tobacco past.
This is an important one too ... "the only thing tobacco is good for, is keeping you addicted to tobacco!" You need to realize that you simply do not need tobacco. It will not make you a better athlete, business person, sibling or parent. It may seem like it helps you, but all it really will do is elevate your blood pressure, raise your heart rate, make you more prone to anxiety and increase your risk of cancer.
Also, there are lots of new quitters joining every day. Remember your first week? They could use some help, an encouraging word, someone to let them know that their experiences are normal and understandable. Lending a hand to a brother or sister in need will help keep your quit at front and center.
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Hey guys you are just going through a normal phase that will pass!!!! This was taken from 7iron's HOF speech, it really helped me when I was in my second month. Hope it helps you also!!!!!!!
To those of you currently in your second month:
Congratulations on a month free of tobacco. You should be proud of yourself for you have fought hard and succeeded at doing something few have attempted and even fewer have accomplished. Do not lose focus and do not let your guard down. You cannot coast, but you can draw strength from the success of the first month and allow that confidence to propel you into the second.
I should also warn you that many have experienced a boredom phase during the second month. I hit the bored stretch right at 50 days. Something changed in the life of my quit where I just got tired of everything. Tired of reading, tired of posting, tired of thinking, tired of quitting ... I just ran out of steam. I started to really struggle and had a “is this really worth it?” attitude. "Perhaps a short hiatus from this quit - get my mind and my life settled a bit, then I'll start again." Part of me just wanted to give in and go back to the can. Lots of lies were being told within the confines of my mind, but I recognized them as lies. The truth remained that I was better off without tobacco. I KNEW I was - I really did, but my mind kept trying to play tricks on me.
You see, during the first 30 days, each day is tough for its own reasons, but it's like we have a real enemy to wage war against. There is "fuel" to keep us fighting and staying motivated is relatively easy.
Where are you in your quit? 30, 40, 50 days? This has been hard ... THE hardest thing you've ever done, right? Certainly you are tired, exhausted. You have every right to be. This is hard, demanding work. You get no breaks - you must continue to fight ... every day, morning, noon and night through every trigger, every stress and all the boredom. Everything you used to do, your entire life, involved tobacco. It made boring tasks bearable. It helped perk you up when you were groggy. It helped calm you down when you were stressed. It made the good times more enjoyable.
Lies, lies, lies ... and you believed them ... all of them.
Now you know better, but you have been conditioned for so long ... 10, 20, 30 years or more. It is going to take time brothers. The last 30, 40 or 50 days seem like a lifetime. I know. I went through it too.
In order to get through this boredom phase you need to keep your quit alive. Remember why you quit. Remember what tobacco has taken from you. Your health, your money, time away from your friends and family, your self respect, peace of mind ... the list goes on. Doesn't that piss you off? It should!!!!
Use that to keep your quit alive. It is important that you remember the difficulties of quitting. You need to make sure that the pain and heartache you are currently experiencing are never forgotten. Our minds, over time, have a way of softening the hard edges. There is nothing soft or easy about quitting smokeless tobacco. Commit to memory the agony of these first few weeks.
That being said, the first month probably felt like three. I remember constantly looking at my watch wondering how time could possibly be going so slow. It is important that you also recognize this principle ... "every step away from tobacco is one step closer to freedom." You need to simply put some distance between yourself and your past associations with snuff. Build dip free memories and by so doing, you will be breaking the strings that tie you to your tobacco past.
This is an important one too ... "the only thing tobacco is good for, is keeping you addicted to tobacco!" You need to realize that you simply do not need tobacco. It will not make you a better athlete, business person, sibling or parent. It may seem like it helps you, but all it really will do is elevate your blood pressure, raise your heart rate, make you more prone to anxiety and increase your risk of cancer.
Also, there are lots of new quitters joining every day. Remember your first week? They could use some help, an encouraging word, someone to let them know that their experiences are normal and understandable. Lending a hand to a brother or sister in need will help keep your quit at front and center.
Scooter, lol, that post sorta sums it all up for me. But it's coupled with a bunch of other personal challenges right now. I'm just sorta of blah right now.
I realize the shit in my life would probably lead me back to dippin if not for this site, that's why I felt like posting a little call for help today.
In reality, actually not dippin tobacco is the best thing goin' on in my life right now. I feel really good about it.
On the other hand, I've kinda felt like throwin' in the towel and just saying fuck it, life sucks, might as well dip.
I'm OK. Dip is for losers.
Thanks to everyone else too.
I'm here for you all too. But I just think I may need to step it back a little for at least a a little while.
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Glenn...I am with you. I am tired of just about every goddamn thing I can see, hear or think about. And also like you, I have some personal issues weighing me down.
You know what's worst about it? I picture myself dipping, and I don't like the idea of it. I feel like I wouldn't LIKE dipping. I feel like it wouldn't help my overall situation. In turn, I feel helpless. i.e., If dip won't help, WTF will? I feel - in a word - fucked.
I have to leave town this afternoon. The only things I am not tired of - my wife and little guy - will be left behind. It makes this quit even more difficult. Like, I'll dip today, so I can be happy until I can get home and be TRULY happy.
Know what else? The last time I quit, for any length of time, was three years ago. I left town, on a business trip. I was quit four, maybe five weeks. I caved.
Granted, things were a bit different three years ago. I didn't really want to quit then. I do now. However, how much stress can my brain take before I take control of the only thing I CAN control (dipping)? How long until I snap and eat four tins in an afternoon.
I am saying that I am afraid of that stress. I have never dealt with mega-stress without tobacco. Ever.
But I am not going to dip. That would be very, very stupid, and it wouldn't help one iota.
All of you guys can suck my dick.
Could you?
Please?
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It gets better guys.
I think it was about a month into my quit when I wrote the following journal entry: "I feel like I'm running out of the extra energy it takes to be artificially nice to people when I really just want to break things." I ran out of the new-quitter enthusiasm before my system was really stabilized; it sounds like you are going through the same thing. Keep in mind that it WILL GET BETTER. Even though it may seem like forever, it is worth it.
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Glenn...I am with you. I am tired of just about every goddamn thing I can see, hear or think about. And also like you, I have some personal issues weighing me down.
You know what's worst about it? I picture myself dipping, and I don't like the idea of it. I feel like I wouldn't LIKE dipping. I feel like it wouldn't help my overall situation. In turn, I feel helpless. i.e., If dip won't help, WTF will? I feel - in a word - fucked.
I have to leave town this afternoon. The only things I am not tired of - my wife and little guy - will be left behind. It makes this quit even more difficult. Like, I'll dip today, so I can be happy until I can get home and be TRULY happy.
Know what else? The last time I quit, for any length of time, was three years ago. I left town, on a business trip. I was quit four, maybe five weeks. I caved.
Granted, things were a bit different three years ago. I didn't really want to quit then. I do now. However, how much stress can my brain take before I take control of the only thing I CAN control (dipping)? How long until I snap and eat four tins in an afternoon.
I am saying that I am afraid of that stress. I have never dealt with mega-stress without tobacco. Ever.
But I am not going to dip. That would be very, very stupid, and it wouldn't help one iota.
All of you guys can suck my dick.
Could you?
Please?
I haven't done the over night business trip yet since my quit.
Wow, that would be tough.
Since I met my fiance, I gave up Spankervision on the road, many years ago, so I guess I could give up dip.
Dean, just go for the 1 of 2. I know you can't live without Spankervision.
But yeah, I've been picturing myself dipping lately. Not that I am close, I'm not, but I'm just in the "fuck it" kind of mood.
I'm not caving, I would let alot of people down including myself, most of all.
i guess that's the power of this site. Dummies like us can get on here and rage and actually be understood.
Have a good trip. I'll be at your house watching your wife for you.
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I can unequivocally tell you that IT DOES GET BETTER! I can't tell you exactly when, but I can tell you that it does.
If you're like I was, you're at the point where you KNOW you're done, but you're just sick of dealing with it.... You're sick of quitting, you're sick of the site, sick of posting roll, sick of fake dip, sick of seeds, sick of quitting, etc. Not that you're thinking of caving, but you're just SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of dealing with dip. I've got good news and bad news. I was exactly right there. That's it... it's both the good news and the bad.
It's good cause if you're like me and you're experiencing all of those things, then you'll ALSO be like me and get away from all of those feelings. For me it wasn't a single defining moment where I stopped thinking of dip in the "I'm quitting" terms and moved over to a "I've already quit" mindframe. That's not to say that I don't struggle and have a bad day now and again cause I absolutely do, but my bad days now are pretty few and far between and are getting less and less intense and i get further into my quit.
It's bad cause again, if you're like me, dip will always be a part of your life. Not an active part, but it's there - in the back of your mind. The nic bitch is always there and will continue to be there. I've been thinking about just this point quite a bit lately. I've been trying to reconcile the fact that I'll always be an addict. If you look at it in those terms, it can be pretty overwhelming... so I don't.
Here's how I deal with craves, bad days, bad thoughts, etc. these days when it pertains to dip.
1. I tell myself that if the WORST i'm dealing with is a crave every couple of weeks for a couple of days -- that's a hell of a lot better than dealing with cancer.
2. I tell myself that if dealing with bit of nic rage every now and again is better than leaving my wife and son alone without dad and hubby.
3. I tell myself that I AM IN CONTROL of my own destiny at this point -- we've beaten our addiction. We CHOOSE whether or not to have a dip. We CHOOSE whether or not to go back to the can, and we CHOOSE the way we deal with our ongoing battles. In my eyes that incredible power
If you're looking for advice here's the best I can do... continue to do what you've been doing.
* Use the site.
* Talk to your brothers.
* Remember why you're here in the first place.
* Don't feel that just cause someone else is doing well you can't post about a struggle.
* Remember how far you've come.
Check out my HOF Creed - http://cohesive.killthecan.org/creed/ (http://cohesive.killthecan.org/creed/) - and give it a once over. if my words don't help, come up with your own... but don't EVER underestimate how far you've come.
No matter how bad you feel right now, I can almost guarantee that you feel better NOW than you did during your first or second week. And here's a GREAT thing about that fact... you're never going back my friends. You've made it over that hurdle.
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/cravesforever.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/cravesforever.asp)
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dude stick it out,,, im day67............and shit is getting smooth..... though im no dumby, i know not to fuck with any dip at all...... but the nice part is i dont want to dip...
fukukodiak
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Glenn...I am with you. I am tired of just about every goddamn thing I can see, hear or think about. And also like you, I have some personal issues weighing me down.
You know what's worst about it? I picture myself dipping, and I don't like the idea of it. I feel like I wouldn't LIKE dipping. I feel like it wouldn't help my overall situation. In turn, I feel helpless. i.e., If dip won't help, WTF will? I feel - in a word - fucked.
I have to leave town this afternoon. The only things I am not tired of - my wife and little guy - will be left behind. It makes this quit even more difficult. Like, I'll dip today, so I can be happy until I can get home and be TRULY happy.
Know what else? The last time I quit, for any length of time, was three years ago. I left town, on a business trip. I was quit four, maybe five weeks. I caved.
Granted, things were a bit different three years ago. I didn't really want to quit then. I do now. However, how much stress can my brain take before I take control of the only thing I CAN control (dipping)? How long until I snap and eat four tins in an afternoon.
I am saying that I am afraid of that stress. I have never dealt with mega-stress without tobacco. Ever.
But I am not going to dip. That would be very, very stupid, and it wouldn't help one iota.
All of you guys can suck my dick.
Could you?
Please?
dean u motherfucker,,,,,,,,,,,,
u dont dip asshole!!!!!!!!!
fukukodiak.
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Tired of this shit.
We all are. Very tired.
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Have a good trip. I'll be at your house watching your wife for you. [/QUOTE]
Dude...that's fucking great. Thanks for the laugh.
I ain't caving, you ain't caving...no motherfucker here is caving. We are just raging and freaking.
You can have my wife for fifteen dollars.
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Bear: I AM a motherfucker. But I am not caving.
Chewie: Sage advice, as always. Many thanks.
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So approaching the HOF I went back and read this thread and some older posts and realized how far we have come and how many battles we have fought.
Last Friday, took my kid to a football camp at Rutgers. There I am sitting in the stadium with a few other parents scattered about. No work, sun shining. No one around me, the whole stadium practically to myself. That would have in the past been such a glorious time to dip. Me and the can, the whole day. Watchin a little football, no one bothering me. Of course, my breath would have stunk, my fingers stained, my gums white, and I would have been a loser. I didn't cave that day, but in the past I would have been so pissed to sit there like that with no dip.
Couple of days before that, sat in a meeting with HS football coach going over his playbook. That mother fucker musta had 3-4 garbage cans scattered about to spit in. I wasn't jealous. I was sickened. That used to be me!
Saw the cleaning crew here one night not too long ago at the office. Nice older couple. You know, like old time biker people, but nice as shit. Guy's like, wtf (well I dont think he cursed) your garbage cans are so clean now. What a fucking disgusting pig I was.
Disgusting. All u guys just starting out, don't cave. Life is sooooooooo good without that shit.
alright that's it for now, fuck you all.
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Hell yeh glenn....
I took the cunts advice, and held of on reading my intro posts... I've been flipping through them, and jesusfuckingchrist, was a a fuckin wakadoo mental case????
Like I've always said... Fuckyoukodiak
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Unlike alot of guys on here, I haven't had to face dip head on in the last 100 or so days. I'm not an outdoorsman, I don't hang out too much with other dudes anymore whether it's for poker, fishing, softball, or drinking, so that part has been easier than alot.
There have been a few times lately that I have come face to face with dip.
First was last week at football camp. Seeing one of them NFL dudes, spit in front of those kids, made me realize how stupid I was for all those years. How weak do you have to be to not be able to stop in front of children?
Tonight, we had a coaches meeting at the Elks for the upcoming season. Right before the meeting, one dude walked by me and I could smell the dip. Could never forget that smell. Later on, out at the bar, walked up to a bunch of Flag coaches just talking and drinking. There's that dude, spitting into a little Poland Spring bottle.
Told him about my history of dip and how I was quit 106 days. He said he's almost ready to quit. I say that's cool, I ain't gonna preach to you but gave him the web address.
The bottom line. He looked really stupid standing there hiding his little Poland Spring bottle spitting into it. I think that's good. Spitting and dipping is starting to look really faggy to me.
Gave him this address. Dude if u are reading this, the time to quit is now.
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Unlike alot of guys on here, I haven't had to face dip head on in the last 100 or so days. I'm not an outdoorsman, I don't hang out too much with other dudes anymore whether it's for poker, fishing, softball, or drinking, so that part has been easier than alot.
There have been a few times lately that I have come face to face with dip.
First was last week at football camp. Seeing one of them NFL dudes, spit in front of those kids, made me realize how stupid I was for all those years. How weak do you have to be to not be able to stop in front of children?
Tonight, we had a coaches meeting at the Elks for the upcoming season. Right before the meeting, one dude walked by me and I could smell the dip. Could never forget that smell. Later on, out at the bar, walked up to a bunch of Flag coaches just talking and drinking. There's that dude, spitting into a little Poland Spring bottle.
Told him about my history of dip and how I was quit 106 days. He said he's almost ready to quit. I say that's cool, I ain't gonna preach to you but gave him the web address.
The bottom line. He looked really stupid standing there hiding his little Poland Spring bottle spitting into it. I think that's good. Spitting and dipping is starting to look really faggy to me.
Gave him this address. Dude if u are reading this, the time to quit is now.
feels cool to turn the corner a little doesn't it?.....
I remember one of my major aha moments around 120 or so days into my quit at the ACC Baseball tourney in Jax in 08. It was the first time i saw my addiction for the ugly and socially nasty habit it is.
I was there with my son.....and realized wow....i always put my addiction ahead of social properness...hell, i dipped when i coached, cooked, worked, went to movies, played sports, hunted, fished....in front of kids, customers, women, strangers....
anywhere and all the time.
I remember feeling embarassed for the first time for all the times i shoulda been embarassed...
fuck you cope you nasty assed harlot. 'Finger'
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sometimes it's just the little things...
how fucking great is it not to have to worry about applying for life insurance anymore? nurse is coming to the office next week and I don't even have to have anyone standing by in the bathroom to give me urine.
life is good.
watch, though, they'll find out i'm dying from some disease. just my luck...
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Went up to this guy i sorta know - owns a restaurant in town - a while ago i had complimented him on the fact that he quit smoking. i was so envious and jealous at the time, cause i was still dipping back then like crazy.
so i told him i finally quit dipping - 6 months in fact.
He's like, yeah "almost 3 years for me." I'm like "wow that long already huh?"
So he tells me that he still has craves and ALWAYS carries around his nicotine gum. Uses it everyday.
THREE fucking years of nicotine gum?
and THAT'S why WE are all hardcore quitters...
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So he tells me that he still has craves and ALWAYS carries around his nicotine gum. Uses it everyday.
THREE fucking years of nicotine gum?
and THAT'S why WE are all hardcore quitters...
The reason he craves is cause he caves... every time he chews a piece.
Bad asses up in here!
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Went up to this guy i sorta know - owns a restaurant in town - a while ago i had complimented him on the fact that he quit smoking. i was so envious and jealous at the time, cause i was still dipping back then like crazy.
so i told him i finally quit dipping - 6 months in fact.
He's like, yeah "almost 3 years for me." I'm like "wow that long already huh?"
So he tells me that he still has craves and ALWAYS carries around his nicotine gum. Uses it everyday.
THREE fucking years of nicotine gum?
and THAT'S why WE are all hardcore quitters...
Yeah, I remember mixing Grizzly with the herbal. 50/50 meant I could chew twice as much and pat myself on the back for taking an important step in the quitting process.
Addicts are fucking morons. At least I can recognize it now....
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I don't know.
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I'm as confused as a queer in a vagina store...
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There's a vagina store?
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Its like the Twilight Zone...
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Congress looking into use of smokeless tobacco in big leagues
April 14, 2010
CBSSports.com wire reports
WASHINGTON -- The Major League Baseball Players Association is telling Congress that it discourages members from using smokeless tobacco, but players should be allowed to use substances that are legal and available to the general public.
MLBPA chief labor counsel David Prouty is among the witnesses who submitted written testimony ahead of Wednesday's hearing before a House subcommittee about the use of smokeless tobacco by baseball players.
Subcommittee chairman Frank Pallone, a New Jersey Democrat, says he wants to know why smokeless tobacco is banned in the minors but allowed in the majors.
A Harvard professor says research shows about one-third of major leaguers report they use smokeless tobacco, and he says that contributes to use by youth in America.
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