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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Pyrovalin on May 29, 2009, 04:36:00 PM
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Just wanted to say "Hi" to everyone. I'm 50 days chew free now. I'd like to say I feel good but I'm so scared now for some reason about getting cancer. Why didn't I feel this way before now? I guess I finally realize how great life is. I finally came clean with my wife and that was a huge load off. Around the time I quit I had a big panic/anxiety attack which I thought was an overdose of nicotine after dipping all night. Since then I haven't had a single urge to dip because it scared the living crap out of me. Anyways, I'm hoping to meet some great friends here who know what it's like to be addicted.
Facts about me:
34 years old
Dipped Cope/Kodiak for 16 years
50 days free and counting
Times I've quit: Can't even count
Have 3 great reasons to quit: wife, 7 year old, 4 year old
Contact anytime to talk or for support.
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Just wanted to say "Hi" to everyone. I'm 50 days chew free now. I'd like to say I feel good but I'm so scared now for some reason about getting cancer. Why didn't I feel this way before now? I guess I finally realize how great life is. I finally came clean with my wife and that was a huge load off. Around the time I quit I had a big panic/anxiety attack which I thought was an overdose of nicotine after dipping all night. Since then I haven't had a single urge to dip because it scared the living crap out of me. Anyways, I'm hoping to meet some great friends here who know what it's like to be addicted.
Facts about me:
34 years old
Dipped Cope/Kodiak for 16 years
50 days free and counting
Times I've quit: Can't even count
Have 3 great reasons to quit: wife, 7 year old, 4 year old
Contact anytime to talk or for support.
Right on man. Welcome to the site. HUGE congrats on your 50 days quit! That is no small feat. It's great that you found this place now. I'm over a year quit and I can tell you that although it gets easier, it never gets easy.
Swing by the Quit Groups section and post up in July 2009 (if you haven't done so already).
If you're ever struggling with anything, speak up. I can guarantee that at least one other person here will be able to relate and provide you with that little extra strength that will get you through. One day at a time.
And YOU are another great reason to quit.
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Thanks bro! One other thing I want to add for anyone reading this:
I dipped a lot while playing games. PC games, XBOX, mostly while playing World of Warcraft. Although I never dipped on a regular basis (daily, consistently), I would do what I like to call a lot of "binge-dipping" - sitting when I could away from my loved ones I was lying to and dip for as long as I had time, one plug after the other. What a dirty habit. Now I get to live for the next 10 years hoping I don't develop cancer. I fucking hate dip, and I can say I never want to see it or touch it again.
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
I'm not a doctor, so I can't give you medical advice; the following is just my opinion.
The physical withdrawals from nicotine don't really last that long, provided that you completely abstain from it. The worst of it is generally over in a few days. I don't think what you are describing is nicotine withdrawals.
I would consider ditching all of the drugs (including the diet pills), taking very good care of yourself (lots of sleep, try to relax, good food, minimize stress, etc.) and see where it seems to be heading after a few weeks. It sounds like you're on sort of a pharmaceutical roller-coaster. If you've developed dependencies on the meds you mentioned, you'll probably feel like shit until you adjust, but it sounds like you feel like shit anyway...
It sounds like you should find a more worthwhile doctor and have a serious conversation about what medications, if any, you should really be on.
I had a panic attack experience similar to yours a while back. It was a time of extreme mental stress, heavy physical exertion, and exhaustion. I got through it by dipping a LOT and drinking tons of coffee. I think I just reached a point where I didn't have any reserves left and 'crashed'. I was in the middle of a supermarket, and I suddenly felt like the world started spinning, my arms and legs got really heavy, and I was on the edge of losing consciousness for several minutes. I felt like I was going to die. It took a few days of serious recovery time before I felt like myself again. My wife had a similar experience when she was smoking (quit now); it ended up being diagnosed as a panic attack.
Again, I'm not a doctor, so take my opinions for what they are: just the possibly worthless advice of another anonymous fucker on the internet...
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I might be able to help you some here. I have anxiety problems as well. I had many panic attacks before I was even trying to quit chewing. Tobacco, caffeine, lack of sleep, and stress can all contribute to causing panic attacks.
I am currently on Buspar for my anxiety and also have Ativan I can use if I feel a panic attack coming on. I rarely need Ativan anymore.
If these attacks are happening to you during your quit, I would suggest taking a small amount of Ativan just to calm your nerves. Also, your anti-depressent can really mess with your brain chemicals for up to two weeks while adjusting to the new medicine.
Hope this helps!
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I've been on the new meds now for about 5 weeks Dutch. I saw the doc again and he suggested up-ing the dose to 10mg just because it's proper protocol and I turned it down. Maybe I'm not getting enough medicine? I'll see where I'm at in a month and if it doesn't change I may just go to 10mg. Thanks.
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This is a little off-topic but can an admin answer this.
What software did you use to record/screen capture the roll call video? I'm a teacher and I'm looking for a rocking piece of software to screen capture my digital photoshop lessons for both my college students and high school kids. Thanks.
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This is a little off-topic but can an admin answer this.
What software did you use to record/screen capture the roll call video? I'm a teacher and I'm looking for a rocking piece of software to screen capture my digital photoshop lessons for both my college students and high school kids. Thanks.
You should check out the wildcard section CLICK HERE (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=11). There's probably a technical forum just along those lines.
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What is your blood pressure? Cholesterol levels? Are they normal?
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
Good old western medicine. Always tries to isolate problems and fix it with a pill without taking a look at the bigger picture. Have you thought of seeing a doctor who practices both eastern and western medicine?
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
I am not a doctor. I was a nurse. I've had similar symptoms, but not gone to the doctor about them, yet. I have brought them on by binge dipping, also. They have also been brought on by pushing my workouts too hard. I don't think I've had the symptoms since my quit. They haven't been as severe as yours. Actually, I am hoping that they won't. My mother and brother also have had similar symptoms. Ultimatley, they both were diagonosed with an abscure heart disease. My brother quit this year. My mother never picked up tobacco at all.
The obscure heart disease? I don't remember the name. It was found primarily with tilt and stress tests. If you are in the possition to do so, I'd recommend requesting a consult to a cardiologist.
Now, with that being said, I'm not saying that's what you've got. The symptoms ARE the same as anxiety. You may be having anxiety attacts. I know I have had those, and agreed with the diagnosis. The feelings are similar. I never took no drugs for them, unless you count st. john's whort. I did/do practice meditation.
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What is your blood pressure? Cholesterol levels? Are they normal?
My blood pressure was normal and my triglycerides were somewhat elevated. All they said was eat less fatty foods and exercise. I guessed that though since I don't eat the best food all the time and I would go through periods of being idle (lazy). But I've been exercising regularly lately and losing weight. Makes me feel better. Now I'm nearing 210. My goal is 200 even.
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
I am not a doctor. I was a nurse. I've had similar symptoms, but not gone to the doctor about them, yet. I have brought them on by binge dipping, also. They have also been brought on by pushing my workouts too hard. I don't think I've had the symptoms since my quit. They haven't been as severe as yours. Actually, I am hoping that they won't. My mother and brother also have had similar symptoms. Ultimatley, they both were diagonosed with an abscure heart disease. My brother quit this year. My mother never picked up tobacco at all.
The obscure heart disease? I don't remember the name. It was found primarily with tilt and stress tests. If you are in the possition to do so, I'd recommend requesting a consult to a cardiologist.
Now, with that being said, I'm not saying that's what you've got. The symptoms ARE the same as anxiety. You may be having anxiety attacts. I know I have had those, and agreed with the diagnosis. The feelings are similar. I never took no drugs for them, unless you count st. john's whort. I did/do practice meditation.
Thanks O.D. I had a really good day yesterday. I told myself not to worry about so much shit and for once in a long time I felt normal again. Thanks to DeantheCoot for his words of encouragement who suffers from anxiety too.
By the way O.D., if I worked out really hard (like jumping rope between sets while lifting) I would feel more PVCs, which I read could be brought on by a lot of stimulus especially hard cardiovascular stimulus. Problem is with me my "little" physical feelings are generating huge mental worries like the feeling that I will die. That's the anxiety.
Thanks to those who responded thus far.
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What catches my eye is the pills...
Sure your not just geeking on speed...
Fukukodiak!!!
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Maybe someone here can relate. The last 2 months has been hell. If you have the time, please read this.
Here's a quick story about last year: A year ago I was rushed to the hospital one afternoon after having several PVCs (Premature Ventricular Contractions or when your heart skips a beat) and feeling like I was going to pass out; just feeling like complete shit. I had been dipping that day a lot. Basically I thought I was having a heart attack and was going to die. By the way I'm only 34 years old. I told the paramedics I had been dipping that day and all they did was say they did too and that I was fine. The doctors took my vitals, blood, ECG, etc. and sent me home telling me I had had an anxiety/panic attack and prescribed me Ativen and told me to lay off the diet pills I was taking. Everything was fine after that day until this past April.
I'm a high school teacher and stay athletic. I mountain bike, hike, jog almost daily, and eat fairly well. This past April was our school's spring break. The first Saturday I had off I visited a friend and stayed up until 3 am the next morning. I had been dipping heavily all night. I went home and got in bed only to find it took until 5:30 am to finally get to sleep. I felt like my heart was racing and felt like shit and I attributed it to an all night binge of dipping. I almost felt like I did a year ago. A few days later I went to another friends house to visit and stayed until 3 am again and had been dipping heavily all night only this time I felt like I did the year before and it wouldn't go away. I tried everything to calm down. My heart was beating fast, etc. This lasted all the way until 3 am the next morning. I freaked my wife out and myself. I finally went to the ER only to find out, you guessed it, diagnosed anxiety/panic. Again was given Ativen. Thus began my first quit day. I figured the dip wasn't helping things and I was sick and tired of feeling shitty all the time anyways. I had a full physical scheduled the following Friday. All they did was the typical "turn your head and cough" crap, took blood, and sent me on my way. Blood tests were normal etc. They then referred me to a Psychiatric doc who put me on 5mg doses of Lexapro daily.
For the first weeks following my last binge dipping night I couldn't sleep at all. For the past 50 days I've had weird symptoms of all sorts. Flushed feeling in my heart and chest, light chest pain, nausea, the feeling like something's taking my breath away, PVCs, fatigue, sleepiness, lack of sleep some nights. All of which don't happen consistently but come and go and it's driving me mad. I wish I could enjoy the fact I've been 50 days dip free but all I can think is I'm dying and it's because of chew. FOr me the quitting has been easy because all I can think about is getting through the next day of these crazy-assed symptoms.
Does anyone else feel this way?? I don't know if it's the Lexapro or withdrawl symptoms. The doctors are oblivious and it pisses me off. I'll bring up chew and they don't care. What is happening to me!
I am not a doctor. I was a nurse. I've had similar symptoms, but not gone to the doctor about them, yet. I have brought them on by binge dipping, also. They have also been brought on by pushing my workouts too hard. I don't think I've had the symptoms since my quit. They haven't been as severe as yours. Actually, I am hoping that they won't. My mother and brother also have had similar symptoms. Ultimatley, they both were diagonosed with an abscure heart disease. My brother quit this year. My mother never picked up tobacco at all.
The obscure heart disease? I don't remember the name. It was found primarily with tilt and stress tests. If you are in the possition to do so, I'd recommend requesting a consult to a cardiologist.
Now, with that being said, I'm not saying that's what you've got. The symptoms ARE the same as anxiety. You may be having anxiety attacts. I know I have had those, and agreed with the diagnosis. The feelings are similar. I never took no drugs for them, unless you count st. john's whort. I did/do practice meditation.
Thanks O.D. I had a really good day yesterday. I told myself not to worry about so much shit and for once in a long time I felt normal again. Thanks to DeantheCoot for his words of encouragement who suffers from anxiety too.
By the way O.D., if I worked out really hard (like jumping rope between sets while lifting) I would feel more PVCs, which I read could be brought on by a lot of stimulus especially hard cardiovascular stimulus. Problem is with me my "little" physical feelings are generating huge mental worries like the feeling that I will die. That's the anxiety.
Thanks to those who responded thus far.
Man, I have very similar symptoms that you have. I have been to a cardiologist (stress test, echocardogram, cardiac calcium score, blood work for cardiac enzymes) and everything cardiac is normal. I finally figured out my PVC's were being caused from I am very sensitive to caffeine. One cup of coffee, one can of coke, even a chocolate bar and I have PVC's.
Caffeine also increased my anxiety, along with the PVC's making me feel like I was going to die......
Anyway, I was just wondering if this was possibly causing your symptoms?
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Larry. I laid off the caffeine big time. I was only drinking a cup of coffee a day but I heard that shit can build up in your system.
By the way I feel fucking great. 5 days in a row. Thank you God!
...and FUCK YOU KODIAK!!!
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Lot of dippers dip Kodiak. What's in that shit? Well I did notice it packed a way meaner buzz than cope or Skoal. Kind of scary if you think about it.
Post here if you quit while dipping the bear. Just curious.
I'm glad I'm quit. ^_^
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its key ingrediant is bear cum w a pinch of turkey shit
FUCKYOUKODIAK!!!!!
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Kodiak was the closest thing to running my lip over a bench grinder - so I went with that.
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actually its al i ever had except a couple of cherry skoals in hs....
cherry skoal how fucking gay is that!!!!!
'Finger' kodiak
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actually its al i ever had except a couple of cherry skoals in hs....
cherry skoal how fucking gay is that!!!!!
'Finger' kodiak
I go with bear cum and turkey shit.
Everything else, was candy.
Watermelon skoal, please.
You know how many "emergency" tins of Grizzly or....wtf was the other Kodiak ripoff....I threw out after one dip.
It was Kodiak or nothing else.
Now it's just pussy I chew.
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You know what is fucked up? I was a die hard Cope man and I had a cave dream about cherry fucking skoal. Never tried it before. Go figure! 'na na'
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Larry. I laid off the caffeine big time. I was only drinking a cup of coffee a day but I heard that shit can build up in your system.
By the way I feel fucking great. 5 days in a row. Thank you God!
...and FUCK YOU KODIAK!!!
Great !! Caffeine can be a killer just like Nicotine......Not sure how long it stays in your system though.
Glad you are feeling better.
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I will apologize ahead of time to anyone who's already started a thread about this.
I was in a meeting with my therapist several weeks ago and she told me about a quit aid called Chantix. It's supposed to be very effective. Now I know the site says it's for smokers but dippers can use it too and it's nic free. In the past I've tried all forms of patches, etc., and they never worked for me. I haven't tried this but it sounds promising and the patients my therapist sees couldn't say enough about how effective it is.
In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge...
Please go here if you're having a hard time staying quit.
http://www.chantix.com (http://www.chantix.com)
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I will apologize ahead of time to anyone who's already started a thread about this.
I was in a meeting with my therapist several weeks ago and she told me about a quit aid called Chantix. It's supposed to be very effective. Now I know the site says it's for smokers but dippers can use it too and it's nic free. In the past I've tried all forms of patches, etc., and they never worked for me. I haven't tried this but it sounds promising and the patients my therapist sees couldn't say enough about how effective it is.
In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge...
Please go here if you're having a hard time staying quit.
http://www.chantix.com (http://www.chantix.com)
why use it if you are already quit? That shit will give u nightmares too. Sales for Pfizer have been disappointing.
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The general consensus around here is this stuff isn't worth the trouble.
There are definitely some success stories out there (and here as well) but please don't paint the picture that this is the "magic pill" when it comes to quit success....
it's not.
chewie
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I'm going to pile on here with my 2 cents too so take it for what it's worth. Go back and read what you wrote. "In the past I've tried..." "I haven't tried this but it sounds promising..." This is EXACTLY what Chewie is talking about. try this, try that. The reason that there were 56% and 88% failure rates respectively is because folks were just trying it out. I was a victim of my own mentality that way for a long time. Even at the beginning of this quit I was "giving it another shot". I was very lucky that I found a site that taught me up front that I have to draw a line in the sand and stick to it.
No matter if someone is going to use NRT, Chantix, the little red pill from the Matrix, or goes cold turkey. It all comes down to want and desire. Kind of like when you started dipping and had to fight through that feeling of holding down lunch. Unless you are prepared to do what is necessary, nothing will make a quit just happen.
Also, there have been some that have said that Chantix causes severe depression in some. So if anyone taking this starts to have bad feelings or dumbass thoughts about taking care of things, get your ass to your doctor.
Like Chewie mentioned, there are some that have had success by using Chantix and their quit is no less than anyone else's. I've said before and I'll say it again, whatever it takes to keep your body rid of nicotine.
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In the past I've tried all forms of patches, etc., and they never worked for me.
Have you tried being a man, pulling yourself up by your boot straps and quitting?
Usually that works 99.9% of the time if you want to quit.
The other .01% are people that meet the above criteria, but want it, .01% less. But still stay quit anyway.
So based on my calculations, and I'm not a mathmatecian, that's means, 100% of the people that truly want to quit. Will. They just have to have the WILL part first.
You can do this without the support of aids... people here do it all the time.
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I will apologize ahead of time to anyone who's already started a thread about this.
I was in a meeting with my therapist several weeks ago and she told me about a quit aid called Chantix. It's supposed to be very effective. Now I know the site says it's for smokers but dippers can use it too and it's nic free. In the past I've tried all forms of patches, etc., and they never worked for me. I haven't tried this but it sounds promising and the patients my therapist sees couldn't say enough about how effective it is.
In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge...
Please go here if you're having a hard time staying quit.
http://www.chantix.com (http://www.chantix.com)
Doesn't the FDA require disclaimers when you push your drugs?
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I will apologize ahead of time to anyone who's already started a thread about this.
I was in a meeting with my therapist several weeks ago and she told me about a quit aid called Chantix. It's supposed to be very effective. Now I know the site says it's for smokers but dippers can use it too and it's nic free. In the past I've tried all forms of patches, etc., and they never worked for me. I haven't tried this but it sounds promising and the patients my therapist sees couldn't say enough about how effective it is.
In studies, 44% of CHANTIX users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment (compared to 18% on sugar pill). CHANTIX also helped reduce the urge...
Please go here if you're having a hard time staying quit.
http://www.chantix.com (http://www.chantix.com)
Doesn't the FDA require disclaimers when you push your drugs?
Thought so.... especially when they are now suspected of inducing multiple suicides.
Suicide Warning Issued For Chantix Zyban (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/health/02drug.html?ref=health)
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Like tony montana in scarface said...
"...all I have in this world is my word and my balls..."
That's how to quit...
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Like tony montana in scarface said...
"...all I have in this world is my word and my balls..."
That's how to quit...
And I don't break them for anyone!
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First of all I will be the first to say we are one of the world's most medicated nations and that's sad. I don't believe drugs should be the only/first alternative to quitting. I didn't mean to snub anyone on this topic. Here's my thought on it. I feel like I would be doing a disservice to everyone on this site without at least sharing different methods of helping people quit. From there, each person has to decide. Sure quitting cold turkey is the best way; but for some it doesn't shake the cravings. I always encourage complete abstinence from dip and nicotine. Also, I don't remember saying that it works 100% of the time or that you should take it; only to check it out because it's 100% nicotine free. I've never believed in the patch bullshit by fighting nicotine with nicotine.
One other thing about the suicide disclaimer - with these types of drugs, the suicide risk usually only affects teenagers through people in their early twenties and it's not a 100% risk either. As a matter of fact it's a very low risk. But because America is one of the most paranoid, we've-got-to-blame-someone nations, when someone does take their own life, and they happened to be taking medication, almost everyone concludes the drugs did it.
Lastly here's a great resource for quitters that is completely, 100%, medication free, and risk free - bibliotherapy. Get a copy of "Feeling Good" by Dr. David Burns or "The Feeling Good Handbook" by Dr. David Burns. That shouldn't get anyone's panties in a bunch. Now fellas, enjoy some boob shakin' fun 'boob'
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I feel like I would be doing a disservice to everyone on this site without at least sharing different methods of helping people quit. From there, each person has to decide. Sure quitting cold turkey is the best way; but for some it doesn't shake the cravings. I always encourage complete abstinence from dip and nicotine.
Goddamn it, the more you open your mouth, the more you sound like a fucking salesman!!!
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I feel like I would be doing a disservice to everyone on this site without at least sharing different methods of helping people quit. From there, each person has to decide. Sure quitting cold turkey is the best way; but for some it doesn't shake the cravings. I always encourage complete abstinence from dip and nicotine.
Goddamn it, the more you open your mouth, the more you sound like a fucking salesman!!!
sounds like something else....
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First of all I will be the first to say we are one of the world's most medicated nations and that's sad. I don't believe drugs should be the only/first alternative to quitting. I didn't mean to snub anyone on this topic. Here's my thought on it. I feel like I would be doing a disservice to everyone on this site without at least sharing different methods of helping people quit. From there, each person has to decide. Sure quitting cold turkey is the best way; but for some it doesn't shake the cravings. I always encourage complete abstinence from dip and nicotine. Also, I don't remember saying that it works 100% of the time or that you should take it; only to check it out because it's 100% nicotine free. I've never believed in the patch bullshit by fighting nicotine with nicotine.
One other thing about the suicide disclaimer - with these types of drugs, the suicide risk usually only affects teenagers through people in their early twenties and it's not a 100% risk either. As a matter of fact it's a very low risk. But because America is one of the most paranoid, we've-got-to-blame-someone nations, when someone does take their own life, and they happened to be taking medication, almost everyone concludes the drugs did it.
Lastly here's a great resource for quitters that is completely, 100%, medication free, and risk free - bibliotherapy. Get a copy of "Feeling Good" by Dr. David Burns or "The Feeling Good Handbook" by Dr. David Burns. That shouldn't get anyone's panties in a bunch. Now fellas, enjoy some boob shakin' fun 'boob'
Pyrovalin, There is no easy pill to this thing called nicotine addiction. I would not endorse exchanging one drug for another, you have one addiction licked, and begin a new one. Maybe cold turkey is not for everyone, but why wait. If you really want to quit, you will do it. Fuck, how much does that shit cost!! How 'bout those cute little nicorrettes you can get at wally's for $45.00+. What a waste of money for something that's still pumping that Nic-bitch into your blood stream. Where is your competiveness???? Fuck , this is for anyone considering an easy fix to a bitch of a problem as this chewing addiction. When you really decide to quit chewing, You will get your ass on this site, read it, and read it again , everything. Quit . One hour at a time. One day at a time. One week at time. and so on. Challenge yourself. You are a hell of lot tougher than you think you are. If your worried about the extra weight you will put on the next 2 months , so what , and who gives a shit!! You will lose it again about the 3 month mark, just get to the 3 month mark. What about sleepless night's the first 2 week's, soooo fucking what, it is only temporary. In closing , I am damn proud of my hardcore, badassin quit, made possible by my own determination, and support from my badass, hardcore quit buddies from this site. I would feel like a real pussy if I had to take an easy pill for any adversity. booya.