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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: sand sex on March 14, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
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i am a tobacco addict trying once more, after a life time of addiction, to call it quits. i was probably an addict at conception since my parents and everyone they knew smoked or chewed back in the fifties. i began 'officially' smoking at age 10 or 11. gave up smoking for snuff at the age of 25 (tho i have puffed off and on since then). after several botched attempts to purge the nicotine from my system, i am giving it another shot now, at age 63.
so far, it has been cold turkey for 18 days, 3 hours, and about fifteen minutes. along with the usual ups and down that you all are aware of, including some strain in my most recent marriage, my teeth are giving me fits and hurt (guess it is the lack of nicotine, since they had not bothered me much for decades).
odd, but my new wife has not been all that supportive. my sex drive has been in the tank for the last 18 days, i have been much more impulsive and neurotic, and not much fun, i suppose. she actually thinks i should go back to tobacco on the premise that 'anything is better than what we are going through.' at times, like right now, i wonder if it is worth it. i know i am winning and have the will to overcome this time, but worry about the debris field behind me. any love out there is welcomed.
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If you want to quit then you need to start reading. You also need to post roll
You group is: index.php?showtopic=4420 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4420)
Go to the bottom of this reply and you will see instructions on how to post roll.
Post everyday and keep your word. Welcome aboard.
Here are some links you may find helpful...
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A how to get started by Remy:
index.php?showtopic=1360 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1360)
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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS
index.php?showtopic=88 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=88)
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Roll call, why we do it your word by LOOT.
index.php?showtopic=120 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
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What to Expect when you quit.
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew
http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
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Contract to give up...
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp)
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Smokeless alternatives
http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp (http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp)
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Words of Wisdom, Read them all
index.php?showforum=41 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41)
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May 2008 TTFers
index.php?showtopic=1179 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1179)
Read this group from the very first post to the very last post.
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How to post roll.
index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
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How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last (MOST RECENT) Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, check to see that the last few people to post are still on your roll call. Keep your word.
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i am a tobacco addict trying once more, after a life time of addiction, to call it quits. i was probably an addict at conception since my parents and everyone they knew smoked or chewed back in the fifties. i began 'officially' smoking at age 10 or 11. gave up smoking for snuff at the age of 25 (tho i have puffed off and on since then). after several botched attempts to purge the nicotine from my system, i am giving it another shot now, at age 63.Â
so far, it has been cold turkey for 18 days, 3 hours, and about fifteen minutes. along with the usual ups and down that you all are aware of, including some strain in my most recent marriage, my teeth are giving me fits and hurt (guess it is the lack of nicotine, since they had not bothered me much for decades).
odd, but my new wife has not been all that supportive. my sex drive has been in the tank for the last 18 days, i have been much more impulsive and neurotic, and not much fun, i suppose. she actually thinks i should go back to tobacco on the premise that 'anything is better than what we are going through.' at times, like right now, i wonder if it is worth it. i know i am winning and have the will to overcome this time, but worry about the debris field behind me. any love out there is welcomed.
I'm glad you found the site sandy.
Quitting cold-turkey by yourself can be a lonely experience. It's much less so, when you're with a crowd that wants the same thing.
The blues will pass, and eventually your wife will thank you for quitting. I'm confident of that.
In the meantime, follow Scowick's advice and use this forum for all it's worth. Most important is, to go to the June 2011 quit class:
index.php?showtopic=4420 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4420)
Post roll with us every morning. That's your promise not to go back to dip today. Keep your word. Do the same thing tomorrow.
You'll be surprised, I think, how sharing the load can brighten up your outlook.
I'm glad you're here. Stay quit.
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much thanks to both you guys.
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I will add...
Make sure you read everything you can here. What you are going through is normal, knowing that helped me tremendously.
I will send you some additional information to get you stared. Welcome to best decision you ever made. Check your inbox ( 1 )
Greg
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thanx, greg....i really appreciate the help!
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Do not go back to tobacco as a means to "solve" problems with your marriage or wife. That is a ridiculous premise. How would your wife feel about your sex drive or whatever when you are in a hospital bed with cancer in a couple years?
If your on day 18 things should look up for you soon. After about day 14 I felt worlds better than the previous two weeks. Yours will come soon.
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sandy,
dip doesn't have anything to do with your sex drive- infact nicotine constricts the blood vessels so dipping will ultimately lead to you trying to shoot pool with a rope.
A few weeks of a cranky husband oughtta be worth a life time of wood for the wife don't ya think?
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ha....magnum and skoal, all this is good, and funny too. problem with my sex life is that i am absorbed with my own mania, i.e., withdrawal nerves and jitters, and not concerned with such 'luxuries' as skrewing. i actually felt better and calmer in my first week than i do now in my third week (18 1/2 days and counting). honestly, to me sex is no big deal and i can mostly take it or leave it. not so my new wife. whatever...knowing you all are going through/have gone through this is comforting. misery does truly love company.
someone who has passed the magic "One Hundred Day" mark please tell me it gets better and that i won't feel this rotten for the rest of my life, i.e., always thinking about a 'dip in the lip.'
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ha....magnum and skoal, all this is good, and funny too. problem with my sex life is that i am absorbed with my own mania, i.e., withdrawal nerves and jitters, and not concerned with such 'luxuries' as skrewing. i actually felt better and calmer in my first week than i do now in my third week (18 1/2 days and counting). honestly, to me sex is no big deal and i can mostly take it or leave it. not so my new wife. whatever...knowing you all are going through/have gone through this is comforting. misery does truly love company.
someone who has passed the magic "One Hundred Day" mark please tell me it gets better and that i won't feel this rotten for the rest of my life, i.e., always thinking about a 'dip in the lip.'
There is nothing magic about the 100 day mark. I think that is what fucks a lot of guys post HOF. They expect dancing bears and birds singing on their shoulder in an enchanted forest. There is no magic moment where all our dip problems are solved.
100 is a milestone. An evaluation point. A damn fine accomplishment. Something to aim for when you are sitting at 18 days in a big ass suck. Something to take real pride in achieving. But getting to 100 does not mean the fight is over.
With all that being said, I promise you that at 100 days you won't feel as bad as you do now. Not even close to it. It gets better every day. When I was told that in my first few months I don't know if I ever really believed it. I do now. At 356 days I feel better than I ever recall in my entire adult life. You will get here too. One day at a time.
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ha....magnum and skoal, all this is good, and funny too. problem with my sex life is that i am absorbed with my own mania, i.e., withdrawal nerves and jitters, and not concerned with such 'luxuries' as skrewing. i actually felt better and calmer in my first week than i do now in my third week (18 1/2 days and counting). honestly, to me sex is no big deal and i can mostly take it or leave it. not so my new wife. whatever...knowing you all are going through/have gone through this is comforting. misery does truly love company.
someone who has passed the magic "One Hundred Day" mark please tell me it gets better and that i won't feel this rotten for the rest of my life, i.e., always thinking about a 'dip in the lip.'
SS,
I can promise even from day 27 that you will not feel the way you do for the rest of your life. I am not joking when I say that day 14 was the worst day I have ever experienced in my life. It was terrible. The day after was much better, but at about day 16-18 give or take I had an epiphany and realized that I now feel better than I ever did when I was banging the Nic bitch.
I like to try and help guys at your stage because I am only a week or so ahead of you. It is always nice to hear from someone who just recently went through it (at least it was for me). The vets are awesome for whipping your ass in to shape when you get out of hand the first couple of weeks and also for providing the knowledge they have compiled.
But you must remember that each day we are all new quitters. I have felt that simple statement gives me more motivation than any other. Each day I wake up and post roll as a promise to everyone. Skoal Monster and every other vet does the same. Therefore, we are all starting a new day of quit together (where we hold hands and sing Kumbaya). As many vets have said, the cravings get few and far between but that day they don't post roll might be the day a massive one hits. Not posting is no excuse but that extra layer of accountability sure as hell helps.
Magnum
p.s.
Get your head out of your ass and give you wife some lovin'!
PM me any time you need something.
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easier said than done....try sex when you feel like you are bouncing on a pogo stick upside down......right now, biking is about the only time when my mind is not on the shit. and BTW--what in the hell are they putting into Cope nowadays? it must be meth or coke. i quit cigs and booze, even drugs when i was younger, and none was as addictive as Cope....NONE!
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easier said than done....try sex when you feel like you are bouncing on a pogo stick upside down......right now, biking is about the only time when my mind is not on the shit. and BTW--what in the hell are they putting into Cope nowadays? it must be meth or coke. i quit cigs and booze, even drugs when i was younger, and none was as addictive as Cope....NONE!
A lot of nicotine that creates and addiction that takes over your life. Perfect MO for tobacco companies.
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SS,
Maybe this will help some.
Nicotine is Highly Addictive
The nicotine in tobacco moves into the bloodstream and up to the users brain within 7 to 10 seconds. Once there, nicotine triggers a number of chemical reactions that create temporary feelings of pleasure for the user, but these sensations are short-lived, subsiding within minutes. As the nicotine level drops in the blood, users feel edgy and agitated -- the start of nicotine withdrawal. So, in order to relieve the discomforts, addicts feed there addictions...and then again..and again. And so it goes -- the vicious cycle of nicotine addiction. One cigarette, one dip, one chew is never enough, a fact that every addict knows all too well.
In order to quit successfully for the long term, it helps to understand the nature of nicotine addiction and what it takes to break free of it. In fact, users are often surprised to learn that they are addicted to a substance in the first place. Many of us believed that smoking, dipping, chewing was just a bad habit; something we could stop easily when we decided it was time. Sound Familiar ?
Let's take a look at how nicotine affects brain chemistry and begin the educational process that will help us battle this addiction to the ground, once and for all.
Nicotine and Adrenaline
When a person receives nicotine, the nicotine is rapidly absorbed into the blood and starts affecting the brain within 10 seconds. Nicotine is a natural herbicide, your body knows it should not be there and the result is the release of adrenaline, the "fight or flight" hormone. Physically, adrenaline increases a person's heart rate, blood pressure and restricts blood flow to the heart muscle. When this occurs, the user experiences rapid, shallow breathing and the feeling of a racing heartbeat. Adrenaline also instructs the body to dump excess glucose into the bloodstream.
Nicotine and Insulin
Nicotine also inhibits the release of insulin from the pancreas, a hormone that is responsible for removing excess sugar from a person's blood. This leaves the user in a slightly hyperglycemic condition, meaning he/she has more sugar in their blood than is normal. High blood sugar acts as an appetite suppressant, which may be why users think their habits reduce hunger.
Nicotine and Dopamine
Nicotine activates the same reward pathways in the brain that other drugs of abuse such as cocaine or amphetamines do, although to a lesser degree. Research has shown that nicotine increases the level of dopamine in the brain, a neurotransmitter that is responsible for feelings of pleasure and well-being. The acute effects of nicotine wear off within minutes, so people must continue dosing themselves frequently throughout the day to maintain the pleasurable effects of nicotine and to prevent withdrawal symptoms.
Recovery from nicotine addiction is a process of gradual release over time.
It doesn't happen overnight, but with perseverance, freedom from nicotine addiction is doable, and will pay you back with benefits that go well beyond what you can probably imagine. Don't offer up another day of your precious life to tobacco - stop today.
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greg and magnum, thanks so much for the info......i would almost bet my life that there is more in a can of skoal or cope than just tobacco....something much more addictive than a twist of tobacco....my guess is a chemical compound similar to meth.
anyway...tuff stuff...feels tonight like it is only 20 1/2 minutes since i quit rather than 20 1/2 days, and counting...i could easily enjoy a jolt to the brain that a pinch would bring, but i won't.
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What, am I the only one around that routinely turned down sex over the years to sit by myself late at night with the before bed dip? Seriously, I turned down sex to make love to my dip!?!
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yes, and for decades now, all my photos have been with my trap nailed shut. pretty disgusting habit we chose.
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This is Snuff Junkie's wife. Here's an example of the "trickle-down effect" of quitting: I went horseback riding today (my own horse), lovely ride here in sunny Florida, and came home in a VERY good and happy mood. Let me also say that I am an avid egg eater and I have eggs every day (shame on me, right?). I am also thin and in good physical shape, always have been. Well, I was preparing my eggs and snuff junkie started a huge fight with me over the possible prospect of these eggs, which, btw, I get from a friend who has chickens on her farm, running free and being chickens, possibly causing me health problems if perhaps the chickens are eating contaminated food, telling me that I should "vary my diet more." Puhleeze!!! I tried to reason with him and told him to let it go, but NOOOOO, he kept at it and at it and finally told me "fuck you, just go kill yourself, blah blah blah," and threw his $600 wedding band, which I just picked up yesterday after having it re-sized and buffed ($42.00), across the room where it hit the wall and the gold cracked (weakened, I'm sure, from the recent re-sizing to make it bigger). So, put that in your proverbial snuff can and dip it!!
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what the hell is the point of you posting this?
would you rather your husband lose half his face to cancer? not justifying his behavior, but how about you be supportive to him through this process as well.
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Go blow him.
He'll forgive you.
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It's going to take a while to repair the damage done by nicotine.
The Rage doesn't last forever, but things will not be as they should be for a long while. To stay quit, he must be patient.
He needs to believe that it gets better. In the future, you'll have long and pleasant talks about free-range chickens and organic eggs.
You need to believe that, too, and learn patience from it.
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If you have not already, please check out this link Spouse Support (http://www.killthecan.org/community/spouse.asp)
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The nic bitch had me so bad I was having sex with a dip in. I was stupid.
Sand you need anything let me know.
Luke
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yes, and for decades now, all my photos have been with my trap nailed shut. pretty disgusting habit we chose.
you need to quit thinking about dip as a habbit. you are addicited to nicotine. don't ever forget that.
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yes, and for decades now, all my photos have been with my trap nailed shut. pretty disgusting habit we chose.
Every picture of me ever taken past the age of 15 I had a dip in my face. I can see it. Every time I see one I want to punch myself in the junk.
STAY QUIT
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thanx all you young dudes for the comments....i once had an uncle who 'seasoned' his shit with Old Granddad, 'to keep it moist.' he also had the revolting habit of carrying around a cup to spit in. now THAT was about as disgusting as a human can get...carrying around your own spit...imagine?
i never did spit...just enjoyed it and swallowed it.
a first: tonight i went up and bought a big bottle of wine. normally i would enjoy the wine with either a cigar or just the usual, my snuff. not tonight. clean 24 days and counting.
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42 days, or 1,020 hours, or 61,200 minutes. . . . and counting. good to go.
best of luck to all who are just quiting. hang tuff. count the minutes, if necessary. it gets better after 48 hours.