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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Otter on January 23, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
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I wanted to start this more as a progression of my journey from slave to free man! I have never known life as an adult without some form of nicotine in my system. The longest time period without it would be somewhere in the ballpark of several weeks, maybe a month. So this journey is scary and failure is my biggest adversary.
I am quitting because of me. You see, I am a father to two beautiful daughters with another on the way in February. My wife is an incredible lady who has put up with the lies and the hiding of my addiction from her and still has offered her help with this final quit! And this will be the end of my marriage to nicotine. I am cutting the cord and never looking back. I have prepared my mind and spirit well for this fight. This site is the nail in the coffin for me because even though I don't know anyone here, we are all in the same boat. We are all going through or have been through the pain, suffering and loss of control that nicotine addiction brings with it. So as I have done for the first 5 days of my journey as a free man, I will post roll every day, I will pledge not to touch nicotine in any way, shape, or form for that day, and I will reach out to those who have come before me and ask for help when needed. And when my journey reaches a point where control is back in my hands, I will take my experience and help those who are overcoming their addiction.
I look forward to a day when the world wakes up and puts those bastard tobacco companies out of business and treats them as the murderous no good slime that they are!
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Welcome.
Read, read and read some more.
Drink the Kool-aid. The system here works.
And most importantly, post roll, keep your promise, and repeat.
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I wanted to start this more as a progression of my journey from slave to free man! I have never known life as an adult without some form of nicotine in my system. The longest time period without it would be somewhere in the ballpark of several weeks, maybe a month. So this journey is scary and failure is my biggest adversary.
I am quitting because of me. You see, I am a father to two beautiful daughters with another on the way in February. My wife is an incredible lady who has put up with the lies and the hiding of my addiction from her and still has offered her help with this final quit! And this will be the end of my marriage to nicotine. I am cutting the cord and never looking back. I have prepared my mind and spirit well for this fight. This site is the nail in the coffin for me because even though I don't know anyone here, we are all in the same boat. We are all going through or have been through the pain, suffering and loss of control that nicotine addiction brings with it. So as I have done for the first 5 days of my journey as a free man, I will post roll every day, I will pledge not to touch nicotine in any way, shape, or form for that day, and I will reach out to those who have come before me and ask for help when needed. And when my journey reaches a point where control is back in my hands, I will take my experience and help those who are overcoming their addiction.
I look forward to a day when the world wakes up and puts those bastard tobacco companies out of business and treats them as the murderous no good slime that they are!
You told my story. I'm glad aim quit with you.
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Well done, Otter! I'm a father of 2 myself. And my wife is a saint. And I'm so fucking stupid that I lied to them for years to spend time with the fucking Nic Bitch?!!!
We can't do anything about the past, but we can sure as shit do something about our futures. Stay strong and stay quit.
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Well, today is number 6 for me and I am not having the greatest day. My mind is offline and I can't concentrate. Work is not getting done, so I am going to go home and rest and forget about this day. Really feeling frustrated and angry for no apparent reason. Feel like smashing something, so its best that I go for a ride and clear my mind. Once I get home and see my girls, I know that this feeling will go away. They always bring out the best in me. Head feels like it weighs a ton. Time to go. Tomorrow will be another day of quit for me.
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Hang in there Otter. The day isn't a total loss. You kept your word. There's some power in that bro.
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Don't let the suck make you think for one second that you aren't making progress. 6 days is phenomenal. Your well on your way to that place where you can laugh at the control this poison had on you. Stay the course, it gets way better.. I promise. Reach out if you need anything.
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So day 7 almost half way over and I am kind of in this euphoric state. I don't know how to explain it other than to say, I feel great. Last night, I was able to jog a mile without stopping and then came home and did some ab work. Unbelievable how far my body has come in one short week. So even though the craves are getting more drastic in nature, my resolve is getting that much stronger to combat them. I will never give in to nicotine again, not today, not tomorrow, never. But I am going to keep it simple and quit for one day, every day until I am no more. The chat room is also helping out so much when things get blurry. This site has been a true life saver for me.
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So day 7 almost half way over and I am kind of in this euphoric state. I don't know how to explain it other than to say, I feel great. Last night, I was able to jog a mile without stopping and then came home and did some ab work. Unbelievable how far my body has come in one short week. So even though the craves are getting more drastic in nature, my resolve is getting that much stronger to combat them. I will never give in to nicotine again, not today, not tomorrow, never. But I am going to keep it simple and quit for one day, every day until I am no more. The chat room is also helping out so much when things get blurry. This site has been a true life saver for me.
THIS is how you quit. Excellent work...drop in on the other groups and get involved in the conversations there...lead by example...
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You're the man, Otter. I quit with you.
Moon
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Day 8 and no ill effects. I still feel as though I am on the outside looking in. I guess its just been so long since I didn't have any toxic chemicals running through my bloodstream. Funny thing is, I never had any sores from the stuff in my mouth and last night out of nowhere there appeared a sore on the inside of my lip.
Well, can't say enough about how awesome this site has been in helping my quit. Doesn't really make sense to me, how it works so well, but if you follow what the veterans say to do, it works. At least it has for 8 days. Tomorrow I will be quit again and will make that same pledge each and every day thereafter. Just gotta stay strong.
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Kickin ass and taken names Otter! You are an inspiration to me and I quit with you.
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There is something that I was thinking about this weekend and on the way to work this morning. Someone once said, "I won't remember what my enemies said about me, but rather the silence of my friends." This can be so relevant to our struggles here with nicotine addiction. We come here to help one another and some practice what I would call tough love. We must understand that these who practice this type of help are doing the utmost good. They have a passion for saving your life. They have been where you are right now and know how easy it would be for you to slip once again into slavery.
Let us all wake up and realize that those who have come before us are our guides. We wouldn't be here if we didn't need their support in this struggle we are going through. So get some thick skin and come to the realization that those who come to you with harsh or fighting words are doing good for you and your quit. They are fighting for your life. It really is crazy to think that someone you have never met is fighting for you! So let them and take the meat of what every one here says to you and spit out the bones. Keep quit!
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There is something that I was thinking about this weekend and on the way to work this morning. Someone once said, "I won't remember what my enemies said about me, but rather the silence of my friends." This can be so relevant to our struggles here with nicotine addiction. We come here to help one another and some practice what I would call tough love. We must understand that these who practice this type of help are doing the utmost good. They have a passion for saving your life. They have been where you are right now and know how easy it would be for you to slip once again into slavery.
Let us all wake up and realize that those who have come before us are our guides. We wouldn't be here if we didn't need their support in this struggle we are going through. So get some thick skin and come to the realization that those who come to you with harsh or fighting words are doing good for you and your quit. They are fighting for your life. It really is crazy to think that someone you have never met is fighting for you! So let them and take the meat of what every one here says to you and spit out the bones. Keep quit!
Someone else who gets it... B)
Keep up the good work Otter.
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So here we are at day 13 and the fight continues. I started this quit (my last) due to the sudden awareness through some health problems, that this addiction had stolen years of my life from me. That makes me so mad that I would allow a substance to rob me of life. So I am here, I am vigilant, and I pledge to daily retake my life back from this addiction, so that the rest of my life is mine. No more regrets, no more lack of control.
Another thing that I have noticed in the last few days is that many here believe that this addiction will be with us for the rest of our lives. This thinking I can not go along with. Don't get me wrong, I understand what they are saying, but deep down inside, I know that my faith in God is showing me another reality. There will come a day in this battle when He will say to me, "It is done!" and I will be released from any and all power this addiction has ever had on me. It might sound silly to some, yet I have seen it played out in my life numerous times. I put my trust in God and He helps me to overcome. Then it is on to the next trouble spot in my life. Bill Hicks said it best when saying, life is just a ride, it goes up and down and round and round, there are good times and bad, but it is still a ride, so get on and enjoy it while it lasts. Stay quit my brothers and sisters, we control our destiny today.
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Gettin all evangelical of late.
I like it.
Preach at it, brother.
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On day 20 and I can honestly say that this quitting thing is tough business. Had this overwhelming feeling several days ago that I was over the hard part. It seriously felt like I had never picked the stuff up. Then this weekend it hit me, and it wasn't a 3 minute crave like they say in some literature. It was a long drawn out battle lasting all day that kept telling me to come back. Cigarette, dip, snus, whatever, just come on back to me. The pull was so strong, it almost seemed that I was going to give in several times. But then I started thinking about everyone here and all those that I have read about in their HoF speeches and that is what got me through. Baby on the way, she will be here in 2 weeks and I know that what I am doing now will be rewarded later when I can look at my daughters and my wife and know that I overcame my addictions. That I am not a liar anymore.
SWJ is the funniest man I have never met......
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Day 21:
I don't have many craves of late, just unbelievable pressure with work and the upcoming new addition to our family. I already have a heck of a time supporting two daughters and a wife and now I have to add another mouth to feed. That is some crazy pressure. I don't need the nicotine anymore, nor do I want it.
So my baby will be born on Tuesday February 21st in the morning (scheduled c-section) and I am pumped to be a father once again. The three girls part of the equation is crazy and I guess since I am such a joker, the good Lord decided to have some fun of his own. Guess one of the girls will have to be my hunting and fishing buddy. Really enjoying life right now and can't wait for the next bad situation or stressful moment in my life so that once again I can overcome my nicotine addiction.
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A bit of history why I am putting this entry in: Last night my wife smelled my fingers and accused me of dipping again. She now knows all the lies I told and the trust issue is a slow healing process on her part (totally understandable). I informed her that it was from the herbal chew I was doing to sometimes help with craves. She then asked why I couldn't quit like everyone else, which set me off because I believe that she should be my biggest supporter in my quit. Anyway, she apologized this morning and later I wrote her this email:
I know that in the past I have lied to you. As far as the nicotine goes, it was the addiction talking. It didnÂ’t matter what I had to do, as long as I had nicotine coursing through my veins, I thought I was good. I just didnÂ’t realize that what I was doing was putting myself into a never ending cycle of withdrawal from the nicotine. This is probably why I was having such crazy mood swings. The outbursts I am having now, they call rage moments and we (nicotine addicts) all go through them. I am trying very hard not to take things out on you and the girls, but sometimes it just happens and eventually they too shall pass. Please understand that I want to be normal again and that I am never putting that poison back into my body ever again. 23 days ago, I made a life decision to be a man of my word and to change my life for the better. I plan to keep my word and not lie anymore. And if I do, then I will be a man of God and will repent and let you and whoever it was that I lied to know that I did.
I love you and the girls and only want to make myself healthy so that I can provide you all with love, support, and whatever else you may need from a husband and father. Please stick with me and try to understand that whatever I may be doing right now, you might not understand, but I am doing all of it to better myself so that I can be the husband that you deserve and the father that my girls deserve. I love you.
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A bit of history why I am putting this entry in: Last night my wife smelled my fingers and accused me of dipping again. She now knows all the lies I told and the trust issue is a slow healing process on her part (totally understandable). I informed her that it was from the herbal chew I was doing to sometimes help with craves. She then asked why I couldn't quit like everyone else, which set me off because I believe that she should be my biggest supporter in my quit. Anyway, she apologized this morning and later I wrote her this email:
I know that in the past I have lied to you. As far as the nicotine goes, it was the addiction talking. It didnÂ’t matter what I had to do, as long as I had nicotine coursing through my veins, I thought I was good. I just didnÂ’t realize that what I was doing was putting myself into a never ending cycle of withdrawal from the nicotine. This is probably why I was having such crazy mood swings. The outbursts I am having now, they call rage moments and we (nicotine addicts) all go through them. I am trying very hard not to take things out on you and the girls, but sometimes it just happens and eventually they too shall pass. Please understand that I want to be normal again and that I am never putting that poison back into my body ever again. 23 days ago, I made a life decision to be a man of my word and to change my life for the better. I plan to keep my word and not lie anymore. And if I do, then I will be a man of God and will repent and let you and whoever it was that I lied to know that I did.
I love you and the girls and only want to make myself healthy so that I can provide you all with love, support, and whatever else you may need from a husband and father. Please stick with me and try to understand that whatever I may be doing right now, you might not understand, but I am doing all of it to better myself so that I can be the husband that you deserve and the father that my girls deserve. I love you.
You, my brother, are wise beyond your quit. :wub:
She then asked why I couldn't quit like everyone else, which set me off because I believe that she should be my biggest supporter in my quit.
Us quitters are the only ones who really understand quitting.
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...I made a life decision to be a man of my word and to change my life for the better. I plan to keep my word and not lie anymore.
OUTFUCKINGSTANDING. This made my fucking day. Hot dog. I'm all jacked.
Be that guy. You are strong. You can fight this. You know who you are suppose to be. This is great stuff. Happy for you bro.
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So far I have been through many phases of quitting including the suck, the fog, euphoria, invincible and many other feelings, but this weekend introduced me to something new. I felt as if I had lost something. Not something small, but as if I had lost someone or something dear to me. It actually welled-up inside of me and hurt to some extent. I really don't know how else to explain it. And once it hit me, I couldn't shake it and almost became like a zombie for several hours. Well, once that passed, I started noticing that I can't watch anymore shows or movies that have that nasty crap in them. I usually like to watch "Ax Men" on Sunday nights, but those guys are always packing a huge lip turd everytime they talk to the cameras, so no more of that for me.
Next week will be the first time in many years that I have completely stayed clean of nicotine. I am feeling better than I ever have and looking forward to the rest of my life, but I will never get away from one day at a time of staying quit, because it is working and why mess with something that works.
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So far I have been through many phases of quitting including the suck, the fog, euphoria, invincible and many other feelings, but this weekend introduced me to something new. I felt as if I had lost something. Not something small, but as if I had lost someone or something dear to me. It actually welled-up inside of me and hurt to some extent. I really don't know how else to explain it. And once it hit me, I couldn't shake it and almost became like a zombie for several hours. Well, once that passed, I started noticing that I can't watch anymore shows or movies that have that nasty crap in them. I usually like to watch "Ax Men" on Sunday nights, but those guys are always packing a huge lip turd everytime they talk to the cameras, so no more of that for me.
Next week will be the first time in many years that I have completely stayed clean of nicotine. I am feeling better than I ever have and looking forward to the rest of my life, but I will never get away from one day at a time of staying quit, because it is working and why mess with something that works.
Best.Post.Ever.
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Great to hear you doing well, Otter! Look at us in the big picture, taking our lives back, but on a micro day by day scale. Keep it up my man, I quit with you today!
Crew
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Wow, what a week! I really have not had one crave this week. Might have something to do with all my time being spent taking care of the wife and new born baby girl. Still, there is something inside of me now which knows that I can stay quit. Before it was more of a wanting to be able to quit for good. Now there is a quiet strength which won't allow doubt to come up to the surface. I realize that this feeling can and probably will go away, but for now life is good and its back to spending time with my baby girl. Stay quit.
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So here we are at Day 50 and I wanted to relate something to those who are just starting this journey. The first 20-30 days really were horrific. There are no words to describe how awful it was to quit nicotine. Then there was a calm period in which there were no craves and life seemed to go rather smoothly. I even started to think my troubles were over and there would be no more hard days concerning my addiction to nicotine. I WAS WRONG!
Craves still happen and the past few days at an alarming frequency. But, its easier to brush them aside. There were times when I first quit that I didn't think I could make it and wanted to cave so badly. Now, when those feelings come, it is much easier to put my mind somewhere else, or remember that for the past 50 days, I have given my word to my wife, my daughters and to a bunch of strangers who are fighting along side me in this battle.
So don't give up and never give in. It does really get better and I can now say this from experience. Sure, I still crave, but now it is much easier to deal with than 50 days ago!
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
Apparently breast tenderness, water retention, prolonged menstruation...AND not posting roll first thing are symptoms of estrogen toxicity. 'horsecrap'
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
Apparently breast tenderness, water retention, prolonged menstruation...AND not posting roll first thing are symptoms of estrogen toxicity. 'horsecrap'
Otter,
I saw you posted a day 1 with my November boys. You sir are a thief and a serial caver. You steal time from your wife and three daughters. You have been here before you know you can't just sneak back in. You have some explaining to do. RIGHT NOW!
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
Apparently breast tenderness, water retention, prolonged menstruation...AND not posting roll first thing are symptoms of estrogen toxicity. 'horsecrap'
Otter,
I saw you posted a day 1 with my November boys. You sir are a thief and a serial caver. You steal time from your wife and three daughters. You have been here before you know you can't just sneak back in. You have some explaining to do. RIGHT NOW!
BTW this is your fourth cave! Fuck Off.
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
Apparently breast tenderness, water retention, prolonged menstruation...AND not posting roll first thing are symptoms of estrogen toxicity. 'horsecrap'
Otter,
I saw you posted a day 1 with my November boys. You sir are a thief and a serial caver. You steal time from your wife and three daughters. You have been here before you know you can't just sneak back in. You have some explaining to do. RIGHT NOW!
BTW this is your fourth cave! Fuck Off.
Thanks for the encouragement EC's Dad. You are right though and I have posted an apology in the April 2012 HOF board. Let me know what else I can do to help you out. Really doesn't matter what I said in the past, this time is different and the only way I can prove it to anyone is by time. Thanks again for your awesome motivational speech, it did wonders for me. You should really look into traveling the country like Tony Robbins. Awesome.
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Back again! It has taken me several hours to rehash my past experience here. 68 days.. I made it without nicotine for 68 days. It has been over a year since that last day without nicotine and I can say without a doubt that it was the worst mistake I could of made. Now, the whole mess of starting over will have to be relived. The fog, the rage, the lack of sleep and all the other BS that goes along with quitting. And for what, a poison that has no doubt shortened my life once again.
Don't become complacent, never give in again to the power that nicotine wants over you. It is not worth the misery that will soon follow me down this path once more. Can't believe it, but here I am again on Day 1 for the last time. No more failure, no more giving in.....
I read your year old posts. Lined up with my quit. 20 to 30 sucked. The 60s were a mother. Read your post on quit group. Glad to be quit with you.
Are you going to make quit a priortiy this time ...... It's 9:40 AM and you haven't post roll -
FIRST THING EVERY DAMNED DAY
You gotta want this more than air!!!
Apparently breast tenderness, water retention, prolonged menstruation...AND not posting roll first thing are symptoms of estrogen toxicity. 'horsecrap'
Otter,
I saw you posted a day 1 with my November boys. You sir are a thief and a serial caver. You steal time from your wife and three daughters. You have been here before you know you can't just sneak back in. You have some explaining to do. RIGHT NOW!
BTW this is your fourth cave! Fuck Off.
Thanks for the encouragement EC's Dad. You are right though and I have posted an apology in the April 2012 HOF board. Let me know what else I can do to help you out. Really doesn't matter what I said in the past, this time is different and the only way I can prove it to anyone is by time. Thanks again for your awesome motivational speech, it did wonders for me. You should really look into traveling the country like Tony Robbins. Awesome.
Okay Otter,
Start by answering these three questions.
1.- What Happened
2- Why Did it Happen
3- What is going to be different (this fourth time around)
Don't take it lightly, don't answer them carelessly put thought and effort in. I read your post in april 12 and its not what we are looking for. Jesus will not do this for you, he did not put the nic in your mouth to start with did he. You need to learn about your addiction and understand why you have failed multiple times in the past. You said that quitting nicotine is not easy....Brilliant! If that's all you've got you are already doomed.
I am listening.
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Otter,
If you think you can waltz in on your FOURTH cave and not get some people pissed off, you seriously need to re-evaluate why you're even here. If you can't handle the accountability aspect, you won't remain quit. Well, you've probably already figured that out now, what, three times?
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Otter,
If you think you can waltz in on your FOURTH cave and not get some people pissed off, you seriously need to re-evaluate why you're even here. If you can't handle the accountability aspect, you won't remain quit. Well, you've probably already figured that out now, what, three times?
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EXACTLY
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Otter,
If you think you can waltz in on your FOURTH cave and not get some people pissed off, you seriously need to re-evaluate why you're even here. If you can't handle the accountability aspect, you won't remain quit. Well, you've probably already figured that out now, what, three times?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EXACTLY
Otter,
Get a fuckng clue! E C and the rest of us are not here to make you warm and fuzzy. Go join another site if that is what you want. Everyone is like that because they ultimately want one thing from you, accountability. That is what E C and a few other guys taught me just 10 short days ago. Post, stay quit, be a man of your word, and oh by the way, if you fuck up and cave, be prepared for what is to come. Well, that time is now my friend. Be honest and everyone will support you. But please, lose the fucking attitude you displayed here so far. That will get you nowhere with this crew.
Flannywho
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I read this entire thread. Why is it that some of the dudes who can write some very meaningful posts very early on also have a tendenacy to cave? Have others seen that trend?
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My quit didnÂ’t last because I allowed my flesh to supersede my spiritual beliefs. I relied on my own will to make it happen instead of the One who can actually do the changing. Smoking or dipping for 22 years or so and then expecting to quit cold turkey takes a huge amount of guts and determination. I have seen where many on this site have been successful and many who were not. I am a serial caver and donÂ’t even know why I came back here, except that it is the only place that I have been where I was able to quit for any length of time. Some of you here will not understand my resolve lies in my faith in Jesus Christ. Someone just said that He didnÂ’t put the nic in my mouth and that is correct. I am taking full responsibility and accountability this time for my actions, but I am not relying on my own will to do this. Jesus said that He would be a comforter and a help in times of need and I am placing my trust in Him alone to overcome this addiction.
My lack of accountability to everyone on this site who has not caved or given in makes me an untrustworthy person and I understand what comes with that. My resolve to quit was not where it needed to be in the past and I am going to utilize all the tools on this site and my support network at home, including my wife and daughters, who were not a big part in the past. Despite my past failures, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be the last explanation that I will have to make on why I didnÂ’t hold up my part of the deal.
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**KNOCK KNOCK OTTER**
I hope you realize November is going to want an explanation too. So when you're done, please bring yourself to November HOF and make your feeble attempt at accountability known. Throw yourself to the wolves and see if you can survive.
Reading through your previous posts, it makes me sick to see all the people who supported you and gave you encouragement meant nothing to you. Not to mention the false hope all those fine gentlemen were possessed with thinking they made somebody's quit stronger. Fucking pathetic. We're here to help you, but when you shit on us it's very difficult to find any words of encouragement to express.
Pull up your panties and start talking
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**KNOCK KNOCK OTTER**
I hope you realize November is going to want an explanation too. So when you're done, please bring yourself to November HOF and make your feeble attempt at accountability known. Throw yourself to the wolves and see if you can survive.
Reading through your previous posts, it makes me sick to see all the people who supported you and gave you encouragement meant nothing to you. Not to mention the false hope all those fine gentlemen were possessed with thinking they made somebody's quit stronger. Fucking pathetic. We're here to help you, but when you shit on us it's very difficult to find any words of encouragement to express.
Pull up your panties and start talking
My apologies for getting that up after you posted. If you could, please explain to the November HOF as well. Most of them haven't made it here in your intro.
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By the way, I just finished reading this whole introduction of mine and really think that I am retarded. I had it that first time around and let it all go for poisonous dirt. Unbelievably stupid man, I am.
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**KNOCK KNOCK OTTER**
I hope you realize November is going to want an explanation too. So when you're done, please bring yourself to November HOF and make your feeble attempt at accountability known. Throw yourself to the wolves and see if you can survive.
Reading through your previous posts, it makes me sick to see all the people who supported you and gave you encouragement meant nothing to you. Not to mention the false hope all those fine gentlemen were possessed with thinking they made somebody's quit stronger. Fucking pathetic. We're here to help you, but when you shit on us it's very difficult to find any words of encouragement to express.
Pull up your panties and start talking
I agree with you here. I can't believe how stupid and insensitive I was. There were some really awesome men who tried their best and I crapped on that. Not going to let that happen again.
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I had it that first time around and let it all go for poisonous dirt. Unbelievably stupid man, I am.
Remember this. There are enough resources here to keep that poisonous dirt out of your body.
Don't let there be a next time.
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My quit didnÂ’t last because I allowed my flesh to supersede my spiritual beliefs. I relied on my own will to make it happen instead of the One who can actually do the changing. Smoking or dipping for 22 years or so and then expecting to quit cold turkey takes a huge amount of guts and determination. I have seen where many on this site have been successful and many who were not. I am a serial caver and donÂ’t even know why I came back here, except that it is the only place that I have been where I was able to quit for any length of time. Some of you here will not understand my resolve lies in my faith in Jesus Christ. Someone just said that He didnÂ’t put the nic in my mouth and that is correct. I am taking full responsibility and accountability this time for my actions, but I am not relying on my own will to do this. Jesus said that He would be a comforter and a help in times of need and I am placing my trust in Him alone to overcome this addiction.
My lack of accountability to everyone on this site who has not caved or given in makes me an untrustworthy person and I understand what comes with that. My resolve to quit was not where it needed to be in the past and I am going to utilize all the tools on this site and my support network at home, including my wife and daughters, who were not a big part in the past. Despite my past failures, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be the last explanation that I will have to make on why I didnÂ’t hold up my part of the deal.
You know Otter, if it were up to me, you would be banned. You have no integrity, no honor, no self-respect and you are a whining little girl. Now you are bringing the Lord into it. God gave you everything you needed to quit. He isn't quitting for you..you do the work. If you think that He's going to magically change you, then you are dead wrong again and you have already laid the foundation for the next excuse as to why you caved.
I really don't understand how you are planning on utilizing your wife and daughters in your quit. They have absolutely nothing to do with your quit and can't do anything to help you. You had all the tools right here. You had the encouragement, the support, everything and you pissed it away, not just once, but multiple times. It's a real simple formula here, just like it is with Christianity. You give your word and you keep your word. You can't do either of those things. Go away. Go far away. You are poison to everyone here that is quit and the new quitters that are quit.
You have a mindset that you can just keep "trying." That mindset is 100% lethal. We have no room for that. You are asking everyone on here to say it's ok to cave and you'll be welcomed back. NO WAY!!!! A little leaven leavens the whole lump. That's Galatians 5:9. That's what you are. Poison to the whole group of quitters. If you actually got this, you wouldn't have come back to this site. It's completely selfish of you. You would take your shit show to some other site where they'll coddle balls with you and say things like "it's ok, you just have to keep trying." I'm not ever going to say that to you or anyone else. That isn't graceless. That is honor and truth. To say that would be to say to that addict in me, that I could go ahead an take one dip and it'll be ok because everyone might be a little mad but they'll take me back and I can try again. That mindset is death. You want to live like that, go ahead, but don't bring that in here.
In here, we are fostering life. Living life and living it with integrity, honor and respect. It starts with not being a liar. Go post somewhere else and learn integrity. Take what you've learned here and go somewhere else and help some quitters elsewhere. You won't get support from me here.
As EC says - you can fuck off. And if you don't see how that statement is helpful to you, then you really don't get it.
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**KNOCK KNOCK OTTER**
I hope you realize November is going to want an explanation too. So when you're done, please bring yourself to November HOF and make your feeble attempt at accountability known. Throw yourself to the wolves and see if you can survive.
Reading through your previous posts, it makes me sick to see all the people who supported you and gave you encouragement meant nothing to you. Not to mention the false hope all those fine gentlemen were possessed with thinking they made somebody's quit stronger. Fucking pathetic. We're here to help you, but when you shit on us it's very difficult to find any words of encouragement to express.
Pull up your panties and start talking
I agree with you here. I can't believe how stupid and insensitive I was. There were some really awesome men who tried their best and I crapped on that. Not going to let that happen again.
Otter. I want to know how your wife and kids took it when you told them that you had lied yet again and slipped back into addiction. I want to know because I made the same promise to my wife and children. I want to know so I can add it to the long list of reasons I stay close to this site.
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**KNOCK KNOCK OTTER**
I hope you realize November is going to want an explanation too. So when you're done, please bring yourself to November HOF and make your feeble attempt at accountability known. Throw yourself to the wolves and see if you can survive.
Reading through your previous posts, it makes me sick to see all the people who supported you and gave you encouragement meant nothing to you. Not to mention the false hope all those fine gentlemen were possessed with thinking they made somebody's quit stronger. Fucking pathetic. We're here to help you, but when you shit on us it's very difficult to find any words of encouragement to express.
Pull up your panties and start talking
I agree with you here. I can't believe how stupid and insensitive I was. There were some really awesome men who tried their best and I crapped on that. Not going to let that happen again.
Otter. I want to know how your wife and kids took it when you told them that you had lied yet again and slipped back into addiction. I want to know because I made the same promise to my wife and children. I want to know so I can add it to the long list of reasons I stay close to this site.
ECD - Here's Nate's Intro....he summarized it super well when he had to 'fess up to his wife and kids that he was a puss yet again. And check out the post from Chewie on this thread.
topic/1011340/1/?x=90#new (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1011340/1/?x=90#new)
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
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My quit didnÂ’t last because I allowed my flesh to supersede my spiritual beliefs. I relied on my own will to make it happen instead of the One who can actually do the changing. Smoking or dipping for 22 years or so and then expecting to quit cold turkey takes a huge amount of guts and determination. I have seen where many on this site have been successful and many who were not. I am a serial caver and donÂ’t even know why I came back here, except that it is the only place that I have been where I was able to quit for any length of time. Some of you here will not understand my resolve lies in my faith in Jesus Christ. Someone just said that He didnÂ’t put the nic in my mouth and that is correct. I am taking full responsibility and accountability this time for my actions, but I am not relying on my own will to do this. Jesus said that He would be a comforter and a help in times of need and I am placing my trust in Him alone to overcome this addiction.
My lack of accountability to everyone on this site who has not caved or given in makes me an untrustworthy person and I understand what comes with that. My resolve to quit was not where it needed to be in the past and I am going to utilize all the tools on this site and my support network at home, including my wife and daughters, who were not a big part in the past. Despite my past failures, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be the last explanation that I will have to make on why I didnÂ’t hold up my part of the deal.
You know Otter, if it were up to me, you would be banned. You have no integrity, no honor, no self-respect and you are a whining little girl. Now you are bringing the Lord into it. God gave you everything you needed to quit. He isn't quitting for you..you do the work. If you think that He's going to magically change you, then you are dead wrong again and you have already laid the foundation for the next excuse as to why you caved.
I really don't understand how you are planning on utilizing your wife and daughters in your quit. They have absolutely nothing to do with your quit and can't do anything to help you. You had all the tools right here. You had the encouragement, the support, everything and you pissed it away, not just once, but multiple times. It's a real simple formula here, just like it is with Christianity. You give your word and you keep your word. You can't do either of those things. Go away. Go far away. You are poison to everyone here that is quit and the new quitters that are quit.
You have a mindset that you can just keep "trying." That mindset is 100% lethal. We have no room for that. You are asking everyone on here to say it's ok to cave and you'll be welcomed back. NO WAY!!!! A little leaven leavens the whole lump. That's Galatians 5:9. That's what you are. Poison to the whole group of quitters. If you actually got this, you wouldn't have come back to this site. It's completely selfish of you. You would take your shit show to some other site where they'll coddle balls with you and say things like "it's ok, you just have to keep trying." I'm not ever going to say that to you or anyone else. That isn't graceless. That is honor and truth. To say that would be to say to that addict in me, that I could go ahead an take one dip and it'll be ok because everyone might be a little mad but they'll take me back and I can try again. That mindset is death. You want to live like that, go ahead, but don't bring that in here.
In here, we are fostering life. Living life and living it with integrity, honor and respect. It starts with not being a liar. Go post somewhere else and learn integrity. Take what you've learned here and go somewhere else and help some quitters elsewhere. You won't get support from me here.
As EC says - you can fuck off. And if you don't see how that statement is helpful to you, then you really don't get it.
I am bumping this up to the top. ^^^Truth Hammer^^^ BAM! Right in the ass!
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
ready nope.... ready now, nope .... how about now? tired of being a slave yet????
Dammit you should be the comma w us!
Chad the revolving door of your attempts will come to an immediate end when you draw the line in the sand .
Not the imaginary line Obama uses - the one where I say I have had enough, I am a man of my word and I will not use nicotine for any reason. My quit is 100% my decision and is not dependent on anything or anyone.
Burn all your bridges - No retreating!
post your promise
keep your word
rinse and repeat
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
ready nope.... ready now, nope .... how about now? tired of being a slave yet????
Dammit you should be the comma w us!
Chad the revolving door of your attempts will come to an immediate end when you draw the line in the sand .
Not the imaginary line Obama uses - the one where I say I have had enough, I am a man of my word and I will not use nicotine for any reason. My quit is 100% my decision and is not dependent on anything or anyone.
Burn all your bridges - No retreating!
post your promise
keep your word
rinse and repeat
:sigh
Thanks Otter. Thanks for reminding me how much it must suck to be going through withdrawal again and again and again...
You know what? I'm going to stand over here behind Vigor. Right behind this LINE that we are not crossing TODAY. Right here with Bronc and EC and Flea and jimmythin. They have my back. WE have given our word.
V 943.
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
ready nope.... ready now, nope .... how about now? tired of being a slave yet????
Dammit you should be the comma w us!
Chad the revolving door of your attempts will come to an immediate end when you draw the line in the sand .
Not the imaginary line Obama uses - the one where I say I have had enough, I am a man of my word and I will not use nicotine for any reason. My quit is 100% my decision and is not dependent on anything or anyone.
Burn all your bridges - No retreating!
post your promise
keep your word
rinse and repeat
:sigh
Thanks Otter. Thanks for reminding me how much it must suck to be going through withdrawal again and again and again...
You know what? I'm going to stand over here behind Vigor. Right behind this LINE that we are not crossing TODAY. Right here with Bronc and EC and Flea and jimmythin. They have my back. WE have given our word.
V 943.
You should change your name to Flounder
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Here's the thing. Everyone on this site says that quitting is hard. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Quitting wasn't hard for me. Did I go thru withdrawals, yes. Did they suck, yes. But guess what, when I closed that door, I fucking slammed it, taped it, nailed it, welded it shut. Quit is quit, when you shut the door, there is no more opening it. There's no more one pinch, one taste, one smell. Maybe you're the type of guy who needs some hard truth. Saw you mentioned your wife in an earlier post. Why don't you go read the Tom and Jenny Kern story. See what his wife is doing now. Wise up man, keep that shit outta your lip. You wanna be that guy, not there to see his fucking kids grow up. Nobody on this site, in this world, or in this universe is going to change your mind. Jesus isn't going to help you stop dipping. He only helps those who help themselves. Burn your damn boat man before it's too late.
You're playing Russian Roulette with cancer causing bullets. I wish you luck.
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Here's the thing. Everyone on this site says that quitting is hard. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Quitting wasn't hard for me. Did I go thru withdrawals, yes. Did they suck, yes. But guess what, when I closed that door, I fucking slammed it, taped it, nailed it, welded it shut. Quit is quit, when you shut the door, there is no more opening it. There's no more one pinch, one taste, one smell. Maybe you're the type of guy who needs some hard truth. Saw you mentioned your wife in an earlier post. Why don't you go read the Tom and Jenny Kern story. See what his wife is doing now. Wise up man, keep that shit outta your lip. You wanna be that guy, not there to see his fucking kids grow up. Nobody on this site, in this world, or in this universe is going to change your mind. Jesus isn't going to help you stop dipping. He only helps those who help themselves. Burn your damn boat man before it's too late.
You're playing Russian Roulette with cancer causing bullets. I wish you luck.
Damn...everyone should read this.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
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My quit didnÂ’t last because I allowed my flesh to supersede my spiritual beliefs. I relied on my own will to make it happen instead of the One who can actually do the changing. Smoking or dipping for 22 years or so and then expecting to quit cold turkey takes a huge amount of guts and determination. I have seen where many on this site have been successful and many who were not. I am a serial caver and donÂ’t even know why I came back here, except that it is the only place that I have been where I was able to quit for any length of time. Some of you here will not understand my resolve lies in my faith in Jesus Christ. Someone just said that He didnÂ’t put the nic in my mouth and that is correct. I am taking full responsibility and accountability this time for my actions, but I am not relying on my own will to do this. Jesus said that He would be a comforter and a help in times of need and I am placing my trust in Him alone to overcome this addiction.
My lack of accountability to everyone on this site who has not caved or given in makes me an untrustworthy person and I understand what comes with that. My resolve to quit was not where it needed to be in the past and I am going to utilize all the tools on this site and my support network at home, including my wife and daughters, who were not a big part in the past. Despite my past failures, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be the last explanation that I will have to make on why I didnÂ’t hold up my part of the deal.
You know Otter, if it were up to me, you would be banned. You have no integrity, no honor, no self-respect and you are a whining little girl. Now you are bringing the Lord into it. God gave you everything you needed to quit. He isn't quitting for you..you do the work. If you think that He's going to magically change you, then you are dead wrong again and you have already laid the foundation for the next excuse as to why you caved.
I really don't understand how you are planning on utilizing your wife and daughters in your quit. They have absolutely nothing to do with your quit and can't do anything to help you. You had all the tools right here. You had the encouragement, the support, everything and you pissed it away, not just once, but multiple times. It's a real simple formula here, just like it is with Christianity. You give your word and you keep your word. You can't do either of those things. Go away. Go far away. You are poison to everyone here that is quit and the new quitters that are quit.
You have a mindset that you can just keep "trying." That mindset is 100% lethal. We have no room for that. You are asking everyone on here to say it's ok to cave and you'll be welcomed back. NO WAY!!!! A little leaven leavens the whole lump. That's Galatians 5:9. That's what you are. Poison to the whole group of quitters. If you actually got this, you wouldn't have come back to this site. It's completely selfish of you. You would take your shit show to some other site where they'll coddle balls with you and say things like "it's ok, you just have to keep trying." I'm not ever going to say that to you or anyone else. That isn't graceless. That is honor and truth. To say that would be to say to that addict in me, that I could go ahead an take one dip and it'll be ok because everyone might be a little mad but they'll take me back and I can try again. That mindset is death. You want to live like that, go ahead, but don't bring that in here.
In here, we are fostering life. Living life and living it with integrity, honor and respect. It starts with not being a liar. Go post somewhere else and learn integrity. Take what you've learned here and go somewhere else and help some quitters elsewhere. You won't get support from me here.
As EC says - you can fuck off. And if you don't see how that statement is helpful to you, then you really don't get it.
I am bumping this up to the top. ^^^Truth Hammer^^^ BAM! Right in the ass!
Hey Otter,
I'm quoting off my brothers posts. You see, I call them brothers, because to me, they are. I fought to 100 days with them...side by side. We shared ups and downs and were there for one another. Who did you reach out to? Anybody? Obviously not. I've been watching your posts throughout the day from work. Now I get the chance to respond to you...
You are a fucking weak ass. You blame and disrespect Jesus and God for your cave? Here's where I'm coming from pal. I'm non religious.. but I'd be the first in line to support "insert religious group here" cause. You know why? Because, much like I'm judged for not being religious, I'd expect people to respect me for being a damn nice person. So to see you, hiding behind religion, it pisses me off. You remind me of a stone cold killer who finds Jesus while on death row. No bro, you can't play that card... you know why? Because you caved, or if you killed somebody...you killed somebody. You're covering your ass..... your TRYING to make people feel sorry for you. I don't feel sorry for you. You caved out of your own FREE WILL (credit to EC Dad for that line). Jesus didn't intervene and move your mouth to buy a tin. YOU DID. You come to KTC and declare rock bottom...because no half ass would join this site.... and you do this shit? Damn... your road to redemption starts now.... and it's not going to be a pleasant walk... I can promise you that. I'd offer you luck, but luck has nothing to do with it.... time to grab your nuts and own up... and QUIT for once in your life. PS, don't ever post anything again that will disrespect my June brothers and their religion.... I have no fucking time for that.
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My quit didnÂ’t last because I allowed my flesh to supersede my spiritual beliefs. I relied on my own will to make it happen instead of the One who can actually do the changing. Smoking or dipping for 22 years or so and then expecting to quit cold turkey takes a huge amount of guts and determination. I have seen where many on this site have been successful and many who were not. I am a serial caver and donÂ’t even know why I came back here, except that it is the only place that I have been where I was able to quit for any length of time. Some of you here will not understand my resolve lies in my faith in Jesus Christ. Someone just said that He didnÂ’t put the nic in my mouth and that is correct. I am taking full responsibility and accountability this time for my actions, but I am not relying on my own will to do this. Jesus said that He would be a comforter and a help in times of need and I am placing my trust in Him alone to overcome this addiction.
My lack of accountability to everyone on this site who has not caved or given in makes me an untrustworthy person and I understand what comes with that. My resolve to quit was not where it needed to be in the past and I am going to utilize all the tools on this site and my support network at home, including my wife and daughters, who were not a big part in the past. Despite my past failures, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be the last explanation that I will have to make on why I didnÂ’t hold up my part of the deal.
You know Otter, if it were up to me, you would be banned. You have no integrity, no honor, no self-respect and you are a whining little girl. Now you are bringing the Lord into it. God gave you everything you needed to quit. He isn't quitting for you..you do the work. If you think that He's going to magically change you, then you are dead wrong again and you have already laid the foundation for the next excuse as to why you caved.
I really don't understand how you are planning on utilizing your wife and daughters in your quit. They have absolutely nothing to do with your quit and can't do anything to help you. You had all the tools right here. You had the encouragement, the support, everything and you pissed it away, not just once, but multiple times. It's a real simple formula here, just like it is with Christianity. You give your word and you keep your word. You can't do either of those things. Go away. Go far away. You are poison to everyone here that is quit and the new quitters that are quit.
You have a mindset that you can just keep "trying." That mindset is 100% lethal. We have no room for that. You are asking everyone on here to say it's ok to cave and you'll be welcomed back. NO WAY!!!! A little leaven leavens the whole lump. That's Galatians 5:9. That's what you are. Poison to the whole group of quitters. If you actually got this, you wouldn't have come back to this site. It's completely selfish of you. You would take your shit show to some other site where they'll coddle balls with you and say things like "it's ok, you just have to keep trying." I'm not ever going to say that to you or anyone else. That isn't graceless. That is honor and truth. To say that would be to say to that addict in me, that I could go ahead an take one dip and it'll be ok because everyone might be a little mad but they'll take me back and I can try again. That mindset is death. You want to live like that, go ahead, but don't bring that in here.
In here, we are fostering life. Living life and living it with integrity, honor and respect. It starts with not being a liar. Go post somewhere else and learn integrity. Take what you've learned here and go somewhere else and help some quitters elsewhere. You won't get support from me here.
As EC says - you can fuck off. And if you don't see how that statement is helpful to you, then you really don't get it.
I am bumping this up to the top. ^^^Truth Hammer^^^ BAM! Right in the ass!
Hey Otter,
I'm quoting off my brothers posts. You see, I call them brothers, because to me, they are. I fought to 100 days with them...side by side. We shared ups and downs and were there for one another. Who did you reach out to? Anybody? Obviously not. I've been watching your posts throughout the day from work. Now I get the chance to respond to you...
You are a fucking weak ass. You blame and disrespect Jesus and God for your cave? Here's where I'm coming from pal. I'm non religious.. but I'd be the first in line to support "insert religious group here" cause. You know why? Because, much like I'm judged for not being religious, I'd expect people to respect me for being a damn nice person. So to see you, hiding behind religion, it pisses me off. You remind me of a stone cold killer who finds Jesus while on death row. No bro, you can't play that card... you know why? Because you caved, or if you killed somebody...you killed somebody. You're covering your ass..... your TRYING to make people feel sorry for you. I don't feel sorry for you. You caved out of your own FREE WILL (credit to EC Dad for that line). Jesus didn't intervene and move your mouth to buy a tin. YOU DID. You come to KTC and declare rock bottom...because no half ass would join this site.... and you do this shit? Damn... your road to redemption starts now.... and it's not going to be a pleasant walk... I can promise you that. I'd offer you luck, but luck has nothing to do with it.... time to grab your nuts and own up... and QUIT for once in your life. PS, don't ever post anything again that will disrespect my June brothers and their religion.... I have no fucking time for that.
You see Otter, you've got about 30 bad assed quitters who have gone through some $hit to quit and are willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with you. YOU have to make that move to ensure us that you are worthy of our time. You see there are plenty of new quitters that REALLY want to quit and are deserving of our (collective) time. You have my digits but I didn't get yours on the last PM exchange. You may not be ready to quit which is unfortunate for your family.
I have to move on brother. I wish you well. The door is closing fast for the support I really think you need. These guys are awesome quitters! They have helped me quit yet another day. Ball is now in your court.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Get through today.
Hell, get through right now.
It's all we got man, and it's all we ask you. Have faith in God, but have faith in yourself as well. I am doing it so I know that you can. Be proactive in this quit and plan to be quit. You will find yourself quit.
What's your plan for today?
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Here's the thing. Everyone on this site says that quitting is hard. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Quitting wasn't hard for me. Did I go thru withdrawals, yes. Did they suck, yes. But guess what, when I closed that door, I fucking slammed it, taped it, nailed it, welded it shut. Quit is quit, when you shut the door, there is no more opening it. There's no more one pinch, one taste, one smell. Maybe you're the type of guy who needs some hard truth. Saw you mentioned your wife in an earlier post. Why don't you go read the Tom and Jenny Kern story. See what his wife is doing now. Wise up man, keep that shit outta your lip. You wanna be that guy, not there to see his fucking kids grow up. Nobody on this site, in this world, or in this universe is going to change your mind. Jesus isn't going to help you stop dipping. He only helps those who help themselves. Burn your damn boat man before it's too late.
You're playing Russian Roulette with cancer causing bullets. I wish you luck.
Damn...everyone should read this.
Agreed^^^. Nice post, matty.
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
ready nope.... ready now, nope .... how about now? tired of being a slave yet????
Dammit you should be the comma w us!
Chad the revolving door of your attempts will come to an immediate end when you draw the line in the sand .
Not the imaginary line Obama uses - the one where I say I have had enough, I am a man of my word and I will not use nicotine for any reason. My quit is 100% my decision and is not dependent on anything or anyone.
Burn all your bridges - No retreating!
post your promise
keep your word
rinse and repeat
:sigh
Thanks Otter. Thanks for reminding me how much it must suck to be going through withdrawal again and again and again...
You know what? I'm going to stand over here behind Vigor. Right behind this LINE that we are not crossing TODAY. Right here with Bronc and EC and Flea and jimmythin. They have my back. WE have given our word.
V 943.
You should change your name to Flounder
Now, see, that right there ^^^^ is funny.
Your new KTC name is flounder.
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My wife was not happy at all and made it clear that my love for her and the girls was not being shown by trying to get cancer and kill myself.
Come on, Otter. That can't feel good knowing that. You can't, and I mean C-A-N-N-O-T let nicotine control your life anymore. Hearing your wife say something of that nature should be a knife in the gut. Maybe it's the reality check you need. Quit for your family, quit for KTC, but most importantly quit for YOURSELF! You know you can do it. Why put yourself through the misery of experiencing withdrawals all over again? And why put yourself through the misery of getting put on the chopping block for all KTC to see?
When you get those cravings, and decide you want to buy a can for just "one dip" remember how your wife and family felt. Remember all the support you've left behind on KTC. And don't forget.... CANCER or maybe even DEATH!
The shit is for real man. One of these days you won't have the chance to "try again."
It's time to man up Otter. Stop pussy-footin around. Get your quit on.
How long has this guy ^^^ been quit. Awesome post! Otter you would be approaching approximately 1,000 days with your original quit group. You have the ability to be a bad ass quitter. Now you have to prove it to everyone here. There are some serious bad assed quitters here posting on your intro. THAT means something. These folks care or they wouldn't be posting on your intro! Check your PM!
ready nope.... ready now, nope .... how about now? tired of being a slave yet????
Dammit you should be the comma w us!
Chad the revolving door of your attempts will come to an immediate end when you draw the line in the sand .
Not the imaginary line Obama uses - the one where I say I have had enough, I am a man of my word and I will not use nicotine for any reason. My quit is 100% my decision and is not dependent on anything or anyone.
Burn all your bridges - No retreating!
post your promise
keep your word
rinse and repeat
:sigh
Thanks Otter. Thanks for reminding me how much it must suck to be going through withdrawal again and again and again...
You know what? I'm going to stand over here behind Vigor. Right behind this LINE that we are not crossing TODAY. Right here with Bronc and EC and Flea and jimmythin. They have my back. WE have given our word.
V 943.
You should change your name to Flounder
Now, see, that right there ^^^^ is funny.
Your new KTC name is flounder.
If the shoe fits, wear it! I AM FLOUNDER.
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I am practicing Catholic, but God or Jesus didn't drive me to Sams Club and buy 40 cans at a time. I thank God daily for the strength and willpower to be finally quit, but my quit is for me, and anyone else including God that benefits from it is just a bonus.
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Emergency Plan:
1. Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready.
2. Call my wife and talk through it with her until the urge or crave goes away.
3. Use this site and the people on it to keep me from caving. It is not an option to use nicotine anymore.
4. If the above does not work, I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers.
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I am practicing Catholic, but God or Jesus didn't drive me to Sams Club and buy 40 cans at a time. I thank God daily for the strength and willpower to be finally quit, but my quit is for me, and anyone else including God that benefits from it is just a bonus.
There was only one set of tire tracks.
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It is not an option to use nicotine anymore.
This is the most important statement you could ever make on this site.
Shut the door, burn the boat, don't look back.
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Emergency Plan:
1. Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready.
2. Call my wife and talk through it with her until the urge or crave goes away.
3. Use this site and the people on it to keep me from caving. It is not an option to use nicotine anymore.
4. If the above does not work, I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers.
Your plan is flawed. Hear me out on this. I have revised your plan below.
1-It is not an option to use nicotine anymore, I will read until I can't read anymore and use KTC as it was intended
2-Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready
3-I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers (Because they understand addiction and have been through what I am going through now. They are the only ones who will understand)
4-IF AND ONLY IF NONE OF MY QUIT BROTHERS ANSWER THEIR PHONES I WILL CALL MY WIFE WHO WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IN THE SLIGHTEST WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH AND HOPEFULLY SHE DOESN'T TELL ME ITS NOT A GOOD TIME TO QUIT!
Your wife is not going to help you on this journey... she cannot possibly understand unless she has quit nicotine in her life.
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Emergency Plan:
1. Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready.
2. Call my wife and talk through it with her until the urge or crave goes away.
3. Use this site and the people on it to keep me from caving. It is not an option to use nicotine anymore.
4. If the above does not work, I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers.
Your plan is flawed. Hear me out on this. I have revised your plan below.
1-It is not an option to use nicotine anymore, I will read until I can't read anymore and use KTC as it was intended
2-Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready
3-I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers (Because they understand addiction and have been through what I am going through now. They are the only ones who will understand)
4-IF AND ONLY IF NONE OF MY QUIT BROTHERS ANSWER THEIR PHONES I WILL CALL MY WIFE WHO WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IN THE SLIGHTEST WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH AND HOPEFULLY SHE DOESN'T TELL ME ITS NOT A GOOD TIME TO QUIT!
Your wife is not going to help you on this journey... she cannot possibly understand unless she has quit nicotine in her life.
Dude. You need to seriously drop your wife from your quit plan. In your mind you are thinking it's loving and good etc. But that statement, "are you sure it's a good time" is not something you want to be saying "bless her heart" to. It's a statement of absolutely no faith in you. That's as powerful a statement as there is about what you have done and what you are doing. The only thing your wife wants to hear from you regarding this stuff is that you have not used nicotine in any form today and you didn't haul that idol with you to church or your prayer time. That's it.
You need to focus on quitting and quitting the way we do it here. Brotherhood + Acccountability = Success. Keep your shitshow on the sidelines until you start to understand and get perspective of where you are. You are trying to post topics like you are fricking Soloman and all you are doing is showing how much you don't get it.
I said this yesterday and I'll say it again today. I have no faith in your quit and keep your family out of it. This is on you. If you want to quit, you quit. That's it.
1 Cor 16:13 Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. That's the New American Standard Version
I like the American Standard Version better because it uses the word quit: Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
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I am practicing Catholic, but God or Jesus didn't drive me to Sams Club and buy 40 cans at a time. I thank God daily for the strength and willpower to be finally quit, but my quit is for me, and anyone else including God that benefits from it is just a bonus.
X2
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Emergency Plan:
1. Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready.
2. Call my wife and talk through it with her until the urge or crave goes away.
3. Use this site and the people on it to keep me from caving. It is not an option to use nicotine anymore.
4. If the above does not work, I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers.
Your plan is flawed. Hear me out on this. I have revised your plan below.
1-It is not an option to use nicotine anymore, I will read until I can't read anymore and use KTC as it was intended
2-Have a whole arsenal of gum, candy, stir straws and water at the ready
3-I will call one of the numbers given to me by my quit brothers (Because they understand addiction and have been through what I am going through now. They are the only ones who will understand)
4-IF AND ONLY IF NONE OF MY QUIT BROTHERS ANSWER THEIR PHONES I WILL CALL MY WIFE WHO WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IN THE SLIGHTEST WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH AND HOPEFULLY SHE DOESN'T TELL ME ITS NOT A GOOD TIME TO QUIT!
Your wife is not going to help you on this journey... she cannot possibly understand unless she has quit nicotine in her life.
You are right EC. I will go with your revisions.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
I was going to add to the "wives and quit" comments, but SFGE's post made me decide that my time may be better spent elsewhere. Prove me wrong.
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
I have gone so far as to fucking call you this morning. You did not answer, I left you a message. You better have a really good explanation when you get back.
Brothers anyone who has a minute Call Otter his number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. He says he can't get texts so you have got to call
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
I have gone so far as to fucking call you this morning. You did not answer, I left you a message. You better have a really good explanation when you get back.
Brothers anyone who has a minute Call Otter his number is XXX-XXX-XXXX. He says he can't get texts so you have got to call
It's pretty sad. This what what drives me to stay quit. The nonsense that we pull as addicts. We have all been this guy and controlled by the can. Selling his wife some nonsense begging God for help. Well bro God is looking at you and saying help yourself. If your the Christian you say you are you understand free will. He paid for our sins long ago. But when you decide to use you are choosing to put those shackles on your hands... For another day. You gotta make up your mind to break the cycle and walk past the shackles and not put them on.
Sack up and post roll or let these guys know you caved like a homer. Cause you are screwing with BAQ's quit and that just isn't cool. We rely on each other every day. So man get wit it, or get to gone!
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
I have gone so far as to fucking call you this morning. You did not answer, I left you a message. You better have a really good explanation when you get back.
Brothers anyone who has a minute Call Otter his number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. He says he can't get texts so you have got to call
It's pretty sad. This what what drives me to stay quit. The nonsense that we pull as addicts. We have all been this guy and controlled by the can. Selling his wife some nonsense begging God for help. Well bro God is looking at you and saying help yourself. If your the Christian you say you are you understand free will. He paid for our sins long ago. But when you decide to use you are choosing to put those shackles on your hands... For another day. You gotta make up your mind to break the cycle and walk past the shackles and not put them on.
Sack up and post roll or let these guys know you caved like a homer. Cause you are screwing with BAQ's quit and that just isn't cool. We rely on each other every day. So man get wit it, or get to gone!
Yeah what Vadge said!
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After reading all this a couple of things struck me.
1. Are people really quitting this stuff because the don't want to get cancer? Its a serious question. I have 4 kids and that justification never even crossed my mind.
2. Do kids and spouses really help you quit? I quit before and only told my father who had just quit smoking after 50 years. Honest question.
To be honest the reason I am quitting is I hate the fact that I let some dirt bag tobacco company get me addicted to a product that does NOTHING for me. The only reason I was buying it the last 5 years was to prevent withdrawal.
I finally had enough of throwing away money on a product I HATED and am wiling to go thru hell so eventually I can waive my middle finger at US Tobacco Inc. Being a slave to nicotine finally just pissed me off.
Hubie-
The fear of cancer can be a powerful motivator but it's not enough to stay quit.
The fear of disappointing your kids or spouse is a powerful motivator but it's not enough.
Hating nicotine is a powerful quit method but it's not enough.
The expense of dip leads some to stop but it's not enough.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are a lot of powerful motivating factors that can lead someone to 'stop' using nicotine. I use the word 'stop' because on KTC that means a temporary time away from abusing nicotine.
Thoughts of cancer or disappointing a spouse or kids can help someone get through a crave but there is only one thing that will ultimately lead you to QUIT:
Realizing it's a choice. Choose or choose not. Do or do not.
As mattyf118 points out in his post it was easy for him. Why was it easy? Because he realized it's a choice and he chose not.
Everyday when you wake up choose not to use nicotine that day. Make that promise to yourself, to your group and then follow through on that choice.
There's nothing wrong with having some motivation to help you make the right choice, like hating big tobacco or fear of cancer, but in the end it's just a choice.
Otter can't seem to understand that Jesus, his wife, his kids, fear of cancer, hate of big tobacco etc. isn't going to keep him QUIT. He's the only one that can do that because it's his choice.
Powerful stuff there and you are right. In the past it was always about doing it for someone else, my wife, my daughter, etc. This time around, I know I have put a great deal of emphasis on God. The truth is, I do get it now, it is my choice, my responsibility and I am the only one who can make this happen or screw up and fail. I cannot and will not fail, in fact, it is funny that in all my other attempts or stops, I would get angry or mad, but it was at the fact that I couldn't have the nicotine. This time around, is different because on the way home from work I found myself yelling that I hated the stuff and it wasn't going to have control over me anymore. I told my wife last night that I had decided to quit for good and bless her heart, she said, "are you sure this is the right time?" I said, yes it is the right time. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO NEVER PUT THAT POISON IN MY BODY AGAIN! I think she is starting to believe me this time around.
It has only been one day and I am craving like nobodies business, but I will not and cannot give in. There is no going back there ever again. Nicotine has controlled me for 22 years and I have had enough. Thank you to everyone for your posts. I couldn't do it without all of you here. Tried that, didn't work, back to KTC again for good.
Are you kidding me bro? It's F***ING 12:48 PM on the East Coast and you have not been on the site since 3:00 PM yesterday afternoon. You have been involved with this site several times and know the drill. Roll out of bed, piss, give your promise and post roll and repeat the next day! That's the minimum. I can't be accountable for you.
You said "This time around, is different..." I don't see it... Post the F*** up!
'Popcorn'
I have gone so far as to fucking call you this morning. You did not answer, I left you a message. You better have a really good explanation when you get back.
Brothers anyone who has a minute Call Otter his number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. He says he can't get texts so you have got to call
It's pretty sad. This what what drives me to stay quit. The nonsense that we pull as addicts. We have all been this guy and controlled by the can. Selling his wife some nonsense begging God for help. Well bro God is looking at you and saying help yourself. If your the Christian you say you are you understand free will. He paid for our sins long ago. But when you decide to use you are choosing to put those shackles on your hands... For another day. You gotta make up your mind to break the cycle and walk past the shackles and not put them on.
Sack up and post roll or let these guys know you caved like a homer. Cause you are screwing with BAQ's quit and that just isn't cool. We rely on each other every day. So man get wit it, or get to gone!
Yeah what Vadge said!
:deadhorse: Outta here!
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And here I am again, checking up on Otter. Noticed he hasn't posted roll today. Starting to feel like a waste of my time trying to pry you from the clutches of the nic bitch. It is starting to seem like you embrace her touch. Not good Otter, not good.
What's the excuse going to be this time Otter?
Remember when you came back to us after you caved? Remember how I mentioned you let your brothers down? Remember how I mentioned all the support they poured into your quit meant nothing? Remember how difficult it was going to be for you to gain support again?
You are not helping yourself here. And you're making it difficult for KTC members to continue to support you.
You promised change. Not seeing it Otter.
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Reading this introduction from beginning to end has been a real eye opener for a newbie like myself in only day 2 of the battle. Although it looks like he may already be on his fourth official cave, I have to say this particular introduction will help those of us, just starting a journey, to really prepare for what's to come in the future. We are never free of this shit. Only free to make that choice every damn day to not fuck up and not only disappoint ourselves, but the people who love us and the 1,000 brothers and sisters trying to help us.
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We are never free of this shit. Only free to make that choice every damn day to not fuck up and not only disappoint ourselves, but the people who love us and the 1,000 brothers and sisters trying to help us.
Damn bro. That right there ^^^
That's the biggest challenge. We are never free from the nic.
The freedom we have is to choose quit. Each and every day, one day at a time.
Quit on brother!
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We are never free of this shit. Only free to make that choice every damn day to not fuck up and not only disappoint ourselves, but the people who love us and the 1,000 brothers and sisters trying to help us.
Damn bro. That right there ^^^
That's the biggest challenge. We are never free from the nic.
The freedom we have is to choose quit. Each and every day, one day at a time.
Quit on brother!
The best news Heisenberg? Your intro never has to look like this one. Quit is a decision, Cave is a decision. Otter has chosen failure. He has chosen defeat. He has chosen to sacrifice his integrity on the altar of the nic bitch. Again.
Otter, I got nothing for you except this: If this is another "try" that you are "hoping" that it will stick this time, please go fail somewhere else. We quit here - no excuses tendered nor accepted. You have been here enough time(s) to know that.
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Great post - the one about it is a choice and you hold the power to choose
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Everyone, everyone. Attention please. Lets all applaud Smotter in his latest try. He came back for his record fifth attempt at a quit. He even managed to post roll on consecutive days this time. This truly is a feat that shant go unnoticed. His wife would like us to know that she wanted to be here tonight, but can't show her face in public due to shame. It is possible that otter remains quit, and just couldn't make it to a computer or phone today ( you all know how hard they are to come by these days), but likely he is finger banging and face fucking a can right now. His time here was full of accomplishment, there was even one day where he made multiple posts. Sadly for him, there will come a time when Plotter shall break his chains of nicotine dependency, for you see, in the end everyone quits.
Seriously. Otter if you ever read this, don't respond, don't make an excuse, don't give a justification, don't get mad, don't be upset, just log off and find another site that will coddle whatever it is you have under that skirt of yours. It is obvious that by either our fault, or yours (venture a guess here) this relationship is no longer amicable. So I say to you good luck Squatter. As for us, we don't need luck, we've got KTC.
Go fuck yourself. Have a nice life
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Mr. Otter, I sent u my contact info but only wish I could of for yours in return. I've been where your at to cave and then come back and getting pounded by BAQ's; there here to give U the reality Tough love u won't get from your lovely wife and kids,because they'll never know what your going through as KTC brother will. We're fighting for our lives evry second of evry day united as one because we know each other better then our own blood in this fight for survival. Don't for a second think you can do it alone; don't for a second think this KTC formula doesn't work for you. We as men all have some degree of pride in being a man, husband, father and work ethic etc..so if we could do it by our selves with the rest of society who has no idea of what we're going through, we'd all be doing it or done it. It's not about pride it's simply common sense, ex: we all watch the news and see the horrific things man and women do evry day murder,rape, etc... But we make a CHOICE to not do or be that person. So why not make a CHOICE to be the man god, wife and kids know and love evry second of evry day; grab your quit own it, breathe it, live it evry second.
Otter, don't let your past be your undoing, but let your past be the strength and courage to get on KTC POST roll, reach out and stay involved. God knows your still breathing for a reason and one of the many reasons is to redeem yourself and get your life of freedom back. I'm only a few days ahead of you in your quit but we are equal, let's not let tomorrow come and be a would of should of kind of guy, let's own our quit and be quit today, so if and when tomorrow comes we already proven we can post roll and own our quit. KTC IS all the tools we need now let's put me to work day by day but most importantly just today just this second.
Iam QAF with u today!!
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This whole thread is a great testimony as to why once you start your quit, you don't ever cave....ever. All the tools are in place to keep you quit, but it's up to you to use them. This guy never did. If you go into this quit with the mindset like he had, you are toast from the beginning. This is someone without honor, without pride, without any sense of dignity. This is not the place for a guy like this. This method requires that you have come to your senses enough to know that you were a liar and now you are not going to be one anymore. You give your promise each day and each day you keep that promise. You build friendships with your brothers and help them stay quit and reach out to them to help you stay quit.
This guy pissed me off right from the beginning because his word didn't mean a thing. His please for "one more chance" didn't mean a thing. And the thing that really got me, was he decided to try and be the "great evangelist" and bring Christ/God into it. And now he's a slave to the nic bitch again and it's somehow God's fault now because God didn't even come through for him.
The only thing God did was to give him all the tools, all the brotherhood and support a guy could need to beat this beast. If he didn't take it, it's not on God. I hope you get the help you need Otter. This place isn't for you.
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This whole thread is a great testimony as to why once you start your quit, you don't ever cave....ever. All the tools are in place to keep you quit, but it's up to you to use them. This guy never did. If you go into this quit with the mindset like he had, you are toast from the beginning. This is someone without honor, without pride, without any sense of dignity. This is not the place for a guy like this. This method requires that you have come to your senses enough to know that you were a liar and now you are not going to be one anymore. You give your promise each day and each day you keep that promise. You build friendships with your brothers and help them stay quit and reach out to them to help you stay quit.
This guy pissed me off right from the beginning because his word didn't mean a thing. His please for "one more chance" didn't mean a thing. And the thing that really got me, was he decided to try and be the "great evangelist" and bring Christ/God into it. And now he's a slave to the nic bitch again and it's somehow God's fault now because God didn't even come through for him.
The only thing God did was to give him all the tools, all the brotherhood and support a guy could need to beat this beast. If he didn't take it, it's not on God. I hope you get the help you need Otter. This place isn't for you.
This is one of the most pathetic intros on ktc.
The Fucking guy said a lot of the right things, brought his wife, kids, and even Jesus Christ into his attempts... but he still failed multiple times.
It's a damn shame.