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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: CC268 on December 18, 2012, 05:30:00 PM
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Hey guys, I am a 19 year old college student studying Mechanical Engineering and I thought I would join this forum as support. I started smoking cigarettes on occasion when I was about 16 (it was kind of a social, rebellious sort of act I guess), but never owned my own pack or smoked a lot. I did this until I was about 18 when I started to buy my own packs. This was short lived however, as I have asthma and smoking just did not work for me. So...I decided to start dipping! I had dipped on occasion in the past and just wanted to "quit" cigarettes. Anyways, I have been dipping for maybe a year and a half or two years, but it became more and more of an annoyance than anything. I found I was just dipping to fulfill a crave, but it brought no real enjoyment. Anyways...I decided to just quit yesterday, I am on my second day with no real problems so far. Sure, I have the occasional craving, but I don't seem to find myself with any other major withdrawals.
I thought I would join this site for some support. I guess my only real worry about quitting is whether or not I will get as much enjoyment from certain things that I always did with dip. I figure this is just a game my mind is playing on me so I am pushing ahead. Anyways, like I said earlier I am not experiencing very many withdrawals and seem to be just as happy as ever. Oh, and I used about a can every two days, so I would say I was/am definitely addicted. Anyways, I am on day 2, just hoping to continue on this path.
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The truth is, you may find out you only enjoyed certain things because you were dipping. It's part of quitting. I completely stopped doing some of my old hobbies just because they were only fun with dip. My addict brain only enjoyed them because it associated them with nicotene. Remove the nicotene? Fun gone. That's the kind of power this drug has. In all forms. Cigarettes, chew, dip, you name it. They are all the same kind of evil.
Now that you've made the choice to rid yourself of this terrible drug, you get to decide what's enjoyable, not some fucking drug. It's freedom on a whole new level.
Check your in Inbox(1) in the right hand corner. You've got mail.
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The truth is, you may find out you only enjoyed certain things because you were dipping. It's part of quitting. I completely stopped doing some of my old hobbies just because they were only fun with dip. My addict brain only enjoyed them because it associated them with nicotene. Remove the nicotene? Fun gone. That's the kind of power this drug has. In all forms. Cigarettes, chew, dip, you name it. They are all the same kind of evil.
Now that you've made the choice to rid yourself of this terrible drug, you get to decide what's enjoyable, not some fucking drug. It's freedom on a whole new level.
Check your in Inbox(1) in the right hand corner. You've got mail.
Yea I could definitely see that, although I think almost everything I do will still be fun even without dipping it just happened to be a convenience that I could dip while doing whatever it was I was doing.
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I guess my only real worry about quitting is whether or not I will get as much enjoyment from certain things that I always did with dip.
Plenty of people do everything your thinking of dip free. If they can do it so can you.
On the flip side- if you don't stop, EVERYTHING you do will eventually be done with chew. I'd be more worried about that.
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I guess my only real worry about quitting is whether or not I will get as much enjoyment from certain things that I always did with dip.
Plenty of people do everything your thinking of dip free. If they can do it so can you.
On the flip side- if you don't stop, EVERYTHING you do will eventually be done with chew. I'd be more worried about that.
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Yea well I would say it was already on its path to that, but I am glad I am going down a different path. Now I just have to stay strong when I am around all my friends (a lot of my good friends smoke cigarettes, although none of them dip)
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Hey guys, I am a 19 year old college student studying Mechanical Engineering and I thought I would join this forum as support. I started smoking cigarettes on occasion when I was about 16 (it was kind of a social, rebellious sort of act I guess), but never owned my own pack or smoked a lot. I did this until I was about 18 when I started to buy my own packs. This was short lived however, as I have asthma and smoking just did not work for me. So...I decided to start dipping! I had dipped on occasion in the past and just wanted to "quit" cigarettes. Anyways, I have been dipping for maybe a year and a half or two years, but it became more and more of an annoyance than anything. I found I was just dipping to fulfill a crave, but it brought no real enjoyment. Anyways...I decided to just quit yesterday, I am on my second day with no real problems so far. Sure, I have the occasional craving, but I don't seem to find myself with any other major withdrawals.
I thought I would join this site for some support. I guess my only real worry about quitting is whether or not I will get as much enjoyment from certain things that I always did with dip. I figure this is just a game my mind is playing on me so I am pushing ahead. Anyways, like I said earlier I am not experiencing very many withdrawals and seem to be just as happy as ever. Oh, and I used about a can every two days, so I would say I was/am definitely addicted. Anyways, I am on day 2, just hoping to continue on this path.
When I quit, I didn't think I could LOVE MY KIDS ANYMORE without dip. How tucked up is that????????? I didn't think I could answer the phone at work. I didn't think I could drive to a sales call. I didn't think I would be "funny" anymore. I didn't think I could coach anymore. I didn't think I could golf, play poker or bowl anymore. I didn't think I could DRIVE anymore. I didn't think I could be home alone anymore. I didn't think I could eat a big meal anymore. I didn't think I could be out past midnight anymore...you get the picture?
I was 1000000% wrong on all of the above. I can do it ALL and enjoy it all the same if not more.
By quitting you are giving up NOTHING. zip, zilch, nada. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Don't let your addicted brain fool you. You can and will re-wire it.
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Hey guys, I am a 19 year old college student studying Mechanical Engineering and I thought I would join this forum as support. I started smoking cigarettes on occasion when I was about 16 (it was kind of a social, rebellious sort of act I guess), but never owned my own pack or smoked a lot. I did this until I was about 18 when I started to buy my own packs. This was short lived however, as I have asthma and smoking just did not work for me. So...I decided to start dipping! I had dipped on occasion in the past and just wanted to "quit" cigarettes. Anyways, I have been dipping for maybe a year and a half or two years, but it became more and more of an annoyance than anything. I found I was just dipping to fulfill a crave, but it brought no real enjoyment. Anyways...I decided to just quit yesterday, I am on my second day with no real problems so far. Sure, I have the occasional craving, but I don't seem to find myself with any other major withdrawals.
I thought I would join this site for some support. I guess my only real worry about quitting is whether or not I will get as much enjoyment from certain things that I always did with dip. I figure this is just a game my mind is playing on me so I am pushing ahead. Anyways, like I said earlier I am not experiencing very many withdrawals and seem to be just as happy as ever. Oh, and I used about a can every two days, so I would say I was/am definitely addicted. Anyways, I am on day 2, just hoping to continue on this path.
When I quit, I didn't think I could LOVE MY KIDS ANYMORE without dip. How tucked up is that????????? I didn't think I could answer the phone at work. I didn't think I could drive to a sales call. I didn't think I would be "funny" anymore. I didn't think I could coach anymore. I didn't think I could golf, play poker or bowl anymore. I didn't think I could DRIVE anymore. I didn't think I could be home alone anymore. I didn't think I could eat a big meal anymore. I didn't think I could be out past midnight anymore...you get the picture?
I was 1000000% wrong on all of the above. I can do it ALL and enjoy it all the same if not more.
By quitting you are giving up NOTHING. zip, zilch, nada. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Don't let your addicted brain fool you. You can and will re-wire it.
Yea that is what I figured, good to hear!
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Welp...day 3 and I seem to be doing just fine, anytime I get a craving I just say tell myself I would rather NOT have cancer and die. Weird...not sure why but I haven't had too much trouble quitting so far, I guess you could say I had sort of a fogginess (maybe a bit of a daze), but nothing that really bugged me as of yet.
Anyways, day 3 and still going strong (today should be the day the nicotine is out of my system!)
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Well done! I am on day 2 for the umpteenth time, don't do like I have in the past and think "well one dip won't hurt" cause it will. Stay on your guard and I wish you the best in your quit.
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That is true. Just cause quitting isn't that hard right now, doesn't mean that it won't get hard. All it takes is one little trigger and the nic will be right back whispering in your ear. Don't let your guard down.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
ITS NOT WHAT YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO, ITS WHAT YOU HAVE CHOOSE TO GET OUT OF. DAY 30 FOR ME AND I AM STILL IN THE FOGGY CLOUDS. IT COMES AND GOES. THERE ARE ALOT OF BAD ASS VETS ON HERE AND LOTS OF NEW BROTHERS GOING THROUGH THIS WITH YOU. HANG IN THERE YOU ARE DOING AWESOME. PM ME IF YOU NEED MY NUMBER TO TEXT OR TALK. PROUD TO BE QUIT WITH YOU TODAY.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
ITS NOT WHAT YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO, ITS WHAT YOU HAVE CHOOSE TO GET OUT OF. DAY 30 FOR ME AND I AM STILL IN THE FOGGY CLOUDS. IT COMES AND GOES. THERE ARE ALOT OF BAD ASS VETS ON HERE AND LOTS OF NEW BROTHERS GOING THROUGH THIS WITH YOU. HANG IN THERE YOU ARE DOING AWESOME. PM ME IF YOU NEED MY NUMBER TO TEXT OR TALK. PROUD TO BE QUIT WITH YOU TODAY.
hot flashes, cold sweats, loss of sleep, and foggyness are all 'normal'.
That is what nicotine does as it is leaving your body.
Think of what is must have been doing to you when you were using it every couple of hours....
And is bad as withdrawal is it is nothing compared to cancer.
Read some of the cancer stories and look at some of the pictures, those helped with my resolve during the bad times.
Remember, it starts to get better hour by hour, day by day, and week by week.
And if you do this quit right, you will never have to do it again! Every hour of withdrawal you go through is one time only.
If you do not want to go through it again, never put nicotine back into your body.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
I haven't had any hot flashes, to be quite honest my "withdrawals" haven't been all that bad, but I attribute that to the fact that I dipped for about a year and a half...I'm sure it would be much worse if I had been doing this for half of my life, which is one reason why I decided to quit now. I feel I am doing really well right now, I think a big part of it is just being confident and even after day 3 it truly feels nice to just feel free from nicotine and feel free from feeling the need to dip. The "fogginess" or dizziness isn't that bad, its quite minor, and it makes me laugh every once in a while being all weird like this.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
I haven't had any hot flashes, to be quite honest my "withdrawals" haven't been all that bad, but I attribute that to the fact that I dipped for about a year and a half...I'm sure it would be much worse if I had been doing this for half of my life, which is one reason why I decided to quit now. I feel I am doing really well right now, I think a big part of it is just being confident and even after day 3 it truly feels nice to just feel free from nicotine and feel free from feeling the need to dip. The "fogginess" or dizziness isn't that bad, its quite minor, and it makes me laugh every once in a while being all weird like this.
Hey crc268, great to hear that your quit is going so well. I would warn against complacency however. Many a person has come back to this site after being quit for long stretches because they thought they could have just one. Be very thankful that you were smart enough to give this addiction up early. Many of us are jealous.
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
I haven't had any hot flashes, to be quite honest my "withdrawals" haven't been all that bad, but I attribute that to the fact that I dipped for about a year and a half...I'm sure it would be much worse if I had been doing this for half of my life, which is one reason why I decided to quit now. I feel I am doing really well right now, I think a big part of it is just being confident and even after day 3 it truly feels nice to just feel free from nicotine and feel free from feeling the need to dip. The "fogginess" or dizziness isn't that bad, its quite minor, and it makes me laugh every once in a while being all weird like this.
Hey crc268, great to hear that your quit is going so well. I would warn against complacency however. Many a person has come back to this site after being quit for long stretches because they thought they could have just one. Be very thankful that you were smart enough to give this addiction up early. Many of us are jealous.
I'm not trying to be complacent, but I'm not going to sit here and be pessimistic about quitting either. If I constantly dwell on the thought of quitting I will never be able to quit. I try to keep my mind AWAY from tobacco and nicotine, and so far I have found that its worked for me quite well. I don't think constantly thinking about the difficulty of quitting is going to help anyone. Anyways, that's my 2 cents...
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Well I see what people mean by the "fog"...I went to go get my truck washed today and I felt as if I just drank 3 beers and had a good buzz going. It was pretty funny actually. How long does this sort of feeling last for??
For me it was about a month. Is a strange feeling. I also felt like everything around me moved in slow motion.
oh remember the fog....
the length of time varies based on the individual. I can only recommend a lot of liquids, water and cranberry juice, and exercise to speed up the removal of the nicotene from your system and then a healthy diet to replenish your system with the proper nutrition to feed your body.
keep on fighting as it will lift. And as you proceed through your quit recognize it for what it was and you will be able to laugh at it, in time....
Thanks, well I sure hope it doesn't last a whole month, thats a long time, but it is what it is I guess. Got my self into this, gotta get myself out.
I also get a little shaky sometimes out of no where...I can't help but laugh at myself and think..."dam this shit is BAD for you!!!"
I'm in the day 2 mode myself buddy and this fog or whatever it is is crazy.I feel like i'm high or drunk walkin around.I can hack that but i'm nnot sleepin hardly at all and i had a hot flash last nite where i was drippin wet and 5 minutes later i was freezin-you have any trouble with that?Makes me nervous.What did we get ourselves into is right but we'll get thru it!
I haven't had any hot flashes, to be quite honest my "withdrawals" haven't been all that bad, but I attribute that to the fact that I dipped for about a year and a half...I'm sure it would be much worse if I had been doing this for half of my life, which is one reason why I decided to quit now. I feel I am doing really well right now, I think a big part of it is just being confident and even after day 3 it truly feels nice to just feel free from nicotine and feel free from feeling the need to dip. The "fogginess" or dizziness isn't that bad, its quite minor, and it makes me laugh every once in a while being all weird like this.
Hey crc268, great to hear that your quit is going so well. I would warn against complacency however. Many a person has come back to this site after being quit for long stretches because they thought they could have just one. Be very thankful that you were smart enough to give this addiction up early. Many of us are jealous.
I'm not trying to be complacent, but I'm not going to sit here and be pessimistic about quitting either. If I constantly dwell on the thought of quitting I will never be able to quit. I try to keep my mind AWAY from tobacco and nicotine, and so far I have found that its worked for me quite well. I don't think constantly thinking about the difficulty of quitting is going to help anyone. Anyways, that's my 2 cents...
You are right brother, you shouldn't just think about it constantly. that said it is hard to think about anything else. I do recommend getting a new hobby or picking up an old hobby. do keep you mind active.
This is good conversation, one that I think you should also have in the group.
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Welp day 4...feeling good, despite the fact I have been sick with the touch of a cold...but anyways, I am headed out to the Sporting Clays range this morning! Have a good day guys
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Welp day 4...feeling good, despite the fact I have been sick with the touch of a cold...but anyways, I am headed out to the Sporting Clays range this morning! Have a good day guys
Nice job CRC, ge rid of that cold, they are no fun!
Shoot a couple of clays for me.
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Welp day 4...feeling good, despite the fact I have been sick with the touch of a cold...but anyways, I am headed out to the Sporting Clays range this morning! Have a good day guys
Nice job CRC, ge rid of that cold, they are no fun!
Shoot a couple of clays for me.
Thanks! Will do, heading out in about 30 minutes!
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Definitely had some cravings today...wanted to dip bad, but haven't...
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Definitely had some cravings today...wanted to dip bad, but haven't...
not trying to rain on your parade - but these types of posts should be in March where your brothers can see this post but also replies that might help them out in their quit .
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Definitely had some cravings today...wanted to dip bad, but haven't...
not trying to rain on your parade - but these types of posts should be in March where your brothers can see this post but also replies that might help them out in their quit .
Oh I thought that was just for roll...
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Definitely had some cravings today...wanted to dip bad, but haven't...
not trying to rain on your parade - but these types of posts should be in March where your brothers can see this post but also replies that might help them out in their quit .
Oh I thought that was just for roll...
The elders talk of days when conversations occurred in the quit groups.
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Definitely had some cravings today...wanted to dip bad, but haven't...
not trying to rain on your parade - but these types of posts should be in March where your brothers can see this post but also replies that might help them out in their quit .
Oh I thought that was just for roll...
The elders talk of days when conversations occurred in the quit groups.
If you post in both the window lickers will be sure to see it...