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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: gettinbreezy on June 10, 2013, 01:23:00 PM
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My name is Erick and I am a dip-o-holic. 20 years I've been putting that shit in my mouth. A can a day for the last 10 years. This crap has CONTROLLED me for as long as I can remember. Everytime I would leave the house I would have to check all four of my pockets: Front left pocket=keys, front right pocket=cell phone, back right pocket =wallet and back left pocket =chew. If I forgot the keys, phone or wallet I could get over it. If I forgot my wintergreen fine-cut...whoa boy, day is ruined, stop at the nearest store because I just cant have fun without my chew.
Chewing made everything more enjoyable: horse shoes, camp fires, yard work, driving..you name it....well then I grew up and realized that it is actually aggravating that this is such a big part of my life. It doesnt make anything more enjoyable, it actually hinders it. Playin with the kids, talking with my wife, going into the store......make sure you have somewhere to spit!!! How annoying and childish is that?
The time is now. It is that simple. I have never been so determined to do something in my life and by the looks of this brotherhood, I am in good company.
It's time for the chew to get gone....for good.
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Congratulations GB, You just made the best decision of your life (no exaggeration). Now read everything you can read here on the site. Know your enemy. Listen to the vets on this site. They've seen it all and been through most of it themselves. They are omniscient and omnipotent (exaggeration). This site, to me, is about community and forming a network of quit that can't be broken. It is very unique and for some reason it actually fucking works. PM me for my digits. Grind out the next few days and I promise there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Hey Erick, welcome to the site. I can definitely relate to all that - its strange how similar all dippers' stories are...
Have you quit yet? if not - dump all your cans into the toilet and flush. Dont throw non-empty cans in the garbage or you might be tempted to dig them out while suffering thru a craving.
My advice for the first several days/weeks is to load up on gum, seeds, jolly ranchers, and fake chew. Keeping your mouth constantly occupied will help you thru the oral fixation part of the addiction.
Learn how to "post roll" in the September 2013 group. Try to get to know some folks in your group and around the site, via this introduction thread, and also the Live Chat - its a great way to get to meet quitters, get phone numbers, and get advice from veterans. Its also a great distraction during tough moments.
The program is simple - you post roll in your group every single morning and promise not to use nicotine of any form for that whole day. no matter what.
Then you do the same thing the next day.
Quitting forever is tough - we dont do that here. We quit One Day At A Time, and thats plenty enough to deal with.
Again welcome, congrats on the decision to quit, and shoot me a private message (PM) if i can help in any way.
Rick
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Thanks guys. I had my last dip last night at 11:53. All the cans and spitters are out of the house, the garage, the vehicle and any where else I may have had one stashed. I appreciate the support and am looking forward to taking this journey with ya'll.
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Welcome
Its rough and sucks at times but take it minute by minute day by day. It has ups and downs. Read then read some more. Its a process that takes time, just be patient and things will get better. Feel free to read my intro, im a total basket case at times, but remain QUIT for Today. You will have your moments too, and they are all worth it. Now get to QUITn and get to know more guys in our group.
pm any time
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Your intro sounds like you have your head in the right place. We have to be committed 100% to make this work. You have reached to point that I did. There was no enjoyment at all in dipping. It completely ruined every situation.
Fight through the suck, and remember how bad it is. That will help keep you quit. Reach out if you need anything.
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Congrats on a great choice, GB!!! Great intro...I cringed reading the comment about finding a place to spit while shopping. Did the same thing. Well, forget it now. That's the past. What's done is done. The only thing to focus on is living nic free today.
Click on the Welcome Center link above and start reading. The Tom Jenny Kern Story was particularly motivating for me. Post roll and stay quit. PM me if you need a number or anything.
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I see you posted roll Erick - good job! I quit with you today brother! Let me know if you need anything at all. Day 1 can be a rough ride but you CAN do this.
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You know the best part so far...coming home from work and being able the give my wife a kiss for the first time in...well..ever, because I did not have a lump of shit in my mouth when I walked through the door. Just finished dinner and shockingly I am not bashing my face against a wall wanting the ex-bitch that I kicked out last night at 11:58 pm.
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You know the best part so far...coming home from work and being able the give my wife a kiss for the first time in...well..ever, because I did not have a lump of shit in my mouth when I walked through the door. Just finished dinner and shockingly I am not bashing my face against a wall wanting the ex-bitch that I kicked out last night at 11:58 pm.
Good stuff, only worry about getting to sleep tonight without any chew. Tomorrow is too far away. Right now, all your heart, soul and energy is into turning away from the call. You broke it off and the nic bitch will catch you. Just be ready.
If you wake up tomorrow, post roll and make that your most important activity when you start your day. Just like showering and brushing teeth, posting roll is just as important. Make the promise early and fight through the day.
Post roll, Post roll post roll.
It will get tough. Time to start getting support numbers from your group. PM people you think will strengthen your quit.
Fight through the day and only the day you are on. Don't try to pace your energy. You will always have enough energy to stay quit so never think about your next match or next day, focus only on today's bout.
You can do this without a loss. I challenge you to go undefeated in your daily matches. To do that, win today's match and worry about tomorrow's match when it gets here.
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Welcome to the show GB -
Be ready with some #'s cause she'll come for you - the head games are what used to get me .... but with KTC I am quit and accountable it has made all the difference
Post roll with the sept sluts
I quit with you today
I will PM you digits / keep on hand
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Awesome that you have began taking your life back. Keep up the good work. Let me know if you need anything. I am quit with you!
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Wow. I cannot explain the hell I went through last night. Probably got about 2 total hours of sleep. Scared shitless too! Felt like my throat was closing up, felt like someone was sitting on my chest and kept waking up short of breath. Felt like I was having a heart attack. When I got up out of bed it was fine. Layed back down it would start up again. Very nerve racking. Now I have a fear of the night. Didnt even consider letting the bitch back in the door though so I am good on that end of things.
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Wow. I cannot explain the hell I went through last night. Probably got about 2 total hours of sleep. Scared shitless too! Felt like my throat was closing up, felt like someone was sitting on my chest and kept waking up short of breath. Felt like I was having a heart attack. When I got up out of bed it was fine. Layed back down it would start up again. Very nerve racking. Now I have a fear of the night. Didnt even consider letting the bitch back in the door though so I am good on that end of things.
Your, body and brain will do weird things to you, while un-fucking your head. Remember this, so you never have to do it again.
Still QLF with you!
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yeah you'll go through some pretty awful shit the first few days...i slept fine (i boozed it up a bit during those first three days) but during the day i felt like spiders were crawling under my skin...kinda nuts...but you will get through it. Drink lots of water! I also like to mix cranberry juice and orange juice and drink a shit load of that...(with a silver rum is nice too!) Don't fear the night...embrace it....you'll get through it fine.
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Get support breezy and get into chat to kill idle time takes your mind off the other things.
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I must say that this site has already helped tremendously. I usually had a date with the bitch every lunch break I have ever had but the last todays I have spent on this site just reading, trying to find someone that has experienced exactly what I am feeling and how it is that they coped (no pun intended) with it. I have "quit" hundreds of times before but this time around is different. I want it this time. In the past I felt I had to do it and I can even recall saying "I dont want to but I have to." This time around I want to. Thanks KTC and thank you all for quitting with me today. Ya'll definitely make it alot easier. The physical withdrawal symptoms are freaking me the fuck out but I hope to God that they will come to pass...chest pains, shortness of breath and the fact that I feel like my throat is closing up which makes me immediately think of throat C".
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2 full days in the books. The fog is lifting. Still a TREMENDOUS problem with sleep last night. Don't know if if is anxiety or if is actual physical withdrawal but hot damn. Some real scary shit, but I trudge forward, looking forward to the day that sleep isn't so hard and I welcome the night time again. Cause right now I dread it.
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2 full days in the books. The fog is lifting. Still a TREMENDOUS problem with sleep last night. Don't know if if is anxiety or if is actual physical withdrawal but hot damn. Some real scary shit, but I trudge forward, looking forward to the day that sleep isn't so hard and I welcome the night time again. Cause right now I dread it.
It gets better.
Trust me.
Just give it time, and don't rush this. 2 days is freaking awesome, but it takes 3-7 days for that poison to work its way out of your system. I felt ok after 1, but day 2 left me punchdrunk.
But don't worry, because it does get better.
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2 full days in the books. The fog is lifting. Still a TREMENDOUS problem with sleep last night. Don't know if if is anxiety or if is actual physical withdrawal but hot damn. Some real scary shit, but I trudge forward, looking forward to the day that sleep isn't so hard and I welcome the night time again. Cause right now I dread it.
I feel you bro! Sleep was a long time coming. For me it wasn't any particular ONE thing... It was everything. Anxiety, withdrawal, life change, physical/mental rewiring... Damn! Lot of stuff going on for you now. It may not feel like it but it's all good. Sleep has been my last big hurdle to feeling like I'm finally distancing myself from nic. I hope you turn around quicker there... Everyone is different! Until then... Don't be afraid to get some temporary help from something OTC or your doc. Lack of sleep will prolong your fog and seriously funk you out! Hang in there brother... You got this. Rock on...
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Glad to have you aboard bro. Apple and waste are speaking the truth. You been screwing your brain for quite sometime. It's going to be a minute.
The poison doesn't want to lose a valued customer. It likes getting paid everyday. It likes stealing days off your life. It likes controlling you. It hates the fact that you are taking back control. It will fight because it would absolutely love for you to come back.
It gets easier brother. One day you will kick yourself square in the but for being a total idiot for umpteen years. I quit with you today.
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So is my body playing tricks on me? Now that I have kicked her to the curb, I have physical (mental?) symptoms that unfortunately are taking away from the enjoyment of my quit:
-a soreness in my throat, not always there but makes itself known ocasionally.
- a numbness in my cheeks, again not always there
- an occassional sharp pain in my shoulder
- an occasssional sharp pain in my elbow
- upperchest pain when I take deep breathes.
I am a hpochondriac to begin with but is this normal for your body and mind to adjust like this? I have been chewing for 20 of my 34 years on this Earth.....
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So is my body playing tricks on me? Now that I have kicked her to the curb, I have physical (mental?) symptoms that unfortunately are taking away from the enjoyment of my quit:
-a soreness in my throat, not always there but makes itself known ocasionally.
- a numbness in my cheeks, again not always there
- an occassional sharp pain in my shoulder
- an occasssional sharp pain in my elbow
- upperchest pain when I take deep breathes.
I am a hpochondriac to begin with but is this normal for your body and mind to adjust like this? I have been chewing for 20 of my 34 years on this Earth.....
Your body is going to do all kinds of crazy shit...if you are that worried about it go see your doctor...let him/her know what is going on and see
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So is my body playing tricks on me? Now that I have kicked her to the curb, I have physical (mental?) symptoms that unfortunately are taking away from the enjoyment of my quit:
-a soreness in my throat, not always there but makes itself known ocasionally.
- a numbness in my cheeks, again not always there
- an occassional sharp pain in my shoulder
- an occasssional sharp pain in my elbow
- upperchest pain when I take deep breathes.
I am a hpochondriac to begin with but is this normal for your body and mind to adjust like this? I have been chewing for 20 of my 34 years on this Earth.....
Your body is going to do all kinds of crazy shit...if you are that worried about it go see your doctor...let him/her know what is going on and see
Sounds like advanced AIDS. Get a will together. But seriously, don't worry about it. The human mind is extremely powerful and sudden changes (like quitting nicotine) can cause imbalances which can manifest themselves as real, physical pains/annoyances. I remember about five years back I went to the doctor cuz I felt like my throat was closing up. Anxiety. A mental condition causing physical symptoms to occur. My throat WAS closing up at times! Got it taken care of and all is cool in FuFu Town these days, but there ya go. I chewed for 20 of my 35 years and nowadays I have so many random pains I don;t have time to worry about them all. And they all pass eventually. Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the occasional elbow/chest/shoulder pain. Course, I'm no doctor, so if it worries you get it checked out. Just don't go see Doctor Spaceman ("speh-cheh-mihn").
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Breezy,
I've been having some similar symptoms, especially the pain in the throat one. Terrible. I've also had some chest pains and numbness in my cheeks. I don't think they're serious though, I think it's largely just the adjustment my body's going through.
PS FuFu I love the Dr. Spaceman reference!! He actually had one where they showed him in the 1950s encouraging pregnant women to smoke with the catchy hook:
Chattertons taste so cool and mild, a treat for you and your unborn child
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Breezy,
I've been having some similar symptoms, especially the pain in the throat one. Terrible. I've also had some chest pains and numbness in my cheeks. I don't think they're serious though, I think it's largely just the adjustment my body's going through.
PS FuFu I love the Dr. Spaceman reference!! He actually had one where they showed him in the 1950s encouraging pregnant women to smoke with the catchy hook:
Chattertons taste so cool and mild, a treat for you and your unborn child
"Couldn't you just inject something right into his heart?"
"I'd love to, but we have no way of knowing where the heart is. See, every human is different."
Ok, no more hijacky.
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So is my body playing tricks on me? Now that I have kicked her to the curb, I have physical (mental?) symptoms that unfortunately are taking away from the enjoyment of my quit:
-a soreness in my throat, not always there but makes itself known ocasionally.
- a numbness in my cheeks, again not always there
- an occassional sharp pain in my shoulder
- an occasssional sharp pain in my elbow
- upperchest pain when I take deep breathes.
I am a hpochondriac to begin with but is this normal for your body and mind to adjust like this? I have been chewing for 20 of my 34 years on this Earth.....
Welcome to the sight breezy. You didn't really think you was just going to walk away from the love of your life without a little get back do you? You don't just leave one of the most addictive drugs known to man without going through some discomfort. You've been screwing your brain, and body for umpteen years. The poison of your choice for all these years has been nicotine. ONe of the most addictive drugs known to man. Drop for drop more poisonous than arsenic, cobra venom and the list goes on.
Having a little discomfort in your throat, chest, head, legs,, whatever. Give it time brother. It takes time for the poison to leave. Then it takes time for the brain and body to heal. As it heals you will discover that life without the poison is so much better. It's amazing what we can do to ourselves and recover. I don't know that we ever recover 100 percent, but I choose freedom over slavery anyday. I quit with you today.
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FuFu
Nothing wrong with a hijack as long as its funny
JR
Misery loves company so i hate to say it but it makes me feel better that you are having these issues too
Srans
As usual, thanks for the reinforcement brother.
I am 2 hours away from the 3 day mark and I feel great in regards to having the itch for the bitch. A couple of minor craves but nothing drastic. The fog has lifted and was actually able to coach my kids baseball game tonight with complete focus. Fearing the night again due to the fact that the last two nights were literaly hell on earth but it has to change eventually right? Why not tonight? Heres to a full night sleep without waking up like I am suffocating or having a heart attack!
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FuFu
Nothing wrong with a hijack as long as its funny
JR
Misery loves company so i hate to say it but it makes me feel better that you are having these issues too
Srans
As usual, thanks for the reinforcement brother.
I am 2 hours away from the 3 day mark and I feel great in regards to having the itch for the bitch. A couple of minor craves but nothing drastic. The fog has lifted and was actually able to coach my kids baseball game tonight with complete focus. Fearing the night again due to the fact that the last two nights were literaly hell on earth but it has to change eventually right? Why not tonight? Heres to a full night sleep without waking up like I am suffocating or having a heart attack!
Good job. Keep bringing the quit 1 day at a time.
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First full night of sleep since I kicked the bitch out. Feeling good this morning. The morning drive to work is no longer consumed with her thought and quite frankely it feels good to enjoy a cup of coffee on the way to work instead!
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So my Smokey mountain arrived and I am feeling guilty about even cracking the seal on it. I feel like I would be cheating for some reason. Going on 4 days with nothing but seeds and sugar free gum (I am so sick of seeds right now) I truly feel like the biggest downfall would be to have a dip of the fake.....WTF...I have been waiting for this stuff to come in for the last 3 days and now that it is here I feel guilty. Kinda funny actually...
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So my Smokey mountain arrived and I am feeling guilty about even cracking the seal on it. I feel like I would be cheating for some reason. Going on 4 days with nothing but seeds and sugar free gum (I am so sick of seeds right now) I truly feel like the biggest downfall would be to have a dip of the fake.....WTF...I have been waiting for this stuff to come in for the last 3 days and now that it is here I feel guilty. Kinda funny actually...
You could always set it aside.. however, in the war against nicotine, I am a believer in deploying any weapon necessary. It has no nicotine, therefore it is not cheating. I used fake for quite a while... you will lose interest after a while, if you are like most folks.
Keep up the good work.
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So my Smokey mountain arrived and I am feeling guilty about even cracking the seal on it. I feel like I would be cheating for some reason. Going on 4 days with nothing but seeds and sugar free gum (I am so sick of seeds right now) I truly feel like the biggest downfall would be to have a dip of the fake.....WTF...I have been waiting for this stuff to come in for the last 3 days and now that it is here I feel guilty. Kinda funny actually...
You could always set it aside.. however, in the war against nicotine, I am a believer in deploying any weapon necessary. It has no nicotine, therefore it is not cheating. I used fake for quite a while... you will lose interest after a while, if you are like most folks.
Keep up the good work.
Either way don't beat yourself up about it bro. I used until 40s. Easily kicked it when i felt it was time. Important thing keep the real out. Quit with you brother.
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So my Smokey mountain arrived and I am feeling guilty about even cracking the seal on it. I feel like I would be cheating for some reason. Going on 4 days with nothing but seeds and sugar free gum (I am so sick of seeds right now) I truly feel like the biggest downfall would be to have a dip of the fake.....WTF...I have been waiting for this stuff to come in for the last 3 days and now that it is here I feel guilty. Kinda funny actually...
You could always set it aside.. however, in the war against nicotine, I am a believer in deploying any weapon necessary. It has no nicotine, therefore it is not cheating. I used fake for quite a while... you will lose interest after a while, if you are like most folks.
Keep up the good work.
Don't take this wrong because everything 30yr said is 100% true and acceptable. Do what you need to do to keep yourself nic free. Period.
Now, for me, there is a flip side to the issue. I felt, and still feel, like you do. Part of my fight is the oral comfort/fixation of having that dip in. Fake is to close to the fire for me. My thought was that I needed to kill that as well. For me it was just too damn close to dipping and I needed to distance myself from the whole damn issue. I went totally cold turkey when I quit. No fake... Nothing in my lip period. My quit has been, perhaps, a little rougher because of that. I dunno. Right now... I'm loving that decision because even the thought of putting something in my lip seems asinine right now! Anyway... Just consider it man. Try totally cold turkey, see how it goes... It is NO failure to use the fake to put the craves in the trash! Whatever way you go... Know that you're rockin it bro. Proud of you!
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Don't take this wrong because everything 30yr said is 100% true and acceptable. Do what you need to do to keep yourself nic free. Period.
Now, for me, there is a flip side to the issue. I felt, and still feel, like you do. Part of my fight is the oral comfort/fixation of having that dip in. Fake is to close to the fire for me. My thought was that I needed to kill that as well. For me it was just too damn close to dipping and I needed to distance myself from the whole damn issue. I went totally cold turkey when I quit. No fake... Nothing in my lip period. My quit has been, perhaps, a little rougher because of that. I dunno. Right now... I'm loving that decision because even the thought of putting something in my lip seems asinine right now! Anyway... Just consider it man. Try totally cold turkey, see how it goes... It is NO failure to use the fake to put the craves in the trash! Whatever way you go... Know that you're rockin it bro. Proud of you!
I think that is my issue AJ, the fake is too close to the real. But I did open it up and have one. Didnt really enjoy it for a couple of reasons:
1. Kept feeling like I was throwing 3 days of nothing in the lip out the door
2. My lip and gums are starting (hopefully) to heal and the smokey mountain would just hinder that.
3. It felt too real and t0o close to what I am trying to stop.
That being said I will definitely keep it on hand for the moments that my friends and brother are over (5 of my close friends all chew and so does my brother) and we start putting a couple back. It wil be wise to have that crutch if needed.
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Yes it would Breezy. Smart man!! I personally haven't had an issue with the oral thing (that's what she said:)) as long as I have gum; the nicotine issue has been what has bothered me. Every quit is a little different. The bottom line is that a successful quit is one where no nic is taken. For some that could include the fake dip. For others that means nothing in the mouth at all (that's what she said:)) I'm proud to be quit with you today, brother, your heart is in the right place
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To weigh in on the fake dip issue: For me personally, I use it every now and again. At first I used it 2-3 time a day. But as it was sitting in my lip all I could think was, "what is the point of this again?". Like, there's no nicotine, so I'm (thankfully) not getting that... So then, why do I want a chopped up plant (herb, mint, whatever) in my lip? It was comforting at first to be able to get out a cup and spit guilt free, but at a certain point it was just like, I don't HAVE TO do this (like I did with the real shit), so why would I? Now I only use it when I get an acute unbearable crave (usually after 32 silver bullets). But even then, I spit it out within five minutes because the whole act just doesn't compute with me any more. I'll always have some on hand (you NEVER know), but my guess is that over the next year I'll go through maybe 2 cans total. So, I personally don't think it's anything to worry about. But, if you know yourself, and you feel it it's just going to serve as a dick tease, steer clear. The only wrong answer is the one involving nicotine ingestion.
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Not too shabby today. A little urge after lunch but went away rather quickly. Trouble sleeping again last night...same shit...woke up and couldnt breath. Not sure if it is REAL bad anxiety or something more. It is REAL bad when I lay down to sleep so I am leaning towards anxiety. I will give it a little mnore time before I hit the panic button (consciously atleast).
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Breezy, cut your regular caffiene intake by 50%.
Nicotine counteracts caffeine.
http://www.killthecan.org/robs/cafnic.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/robs/cafnic.asp)
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Breezy, cut your regular caffiene intake by 50%.
Nicotine counteracts caffeine.
http://www.killthecan.org/robs/cafnic.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/robs/cafnic.asp)
Thanks pal. I will give it a shot. I am actually drinking more coffee (Tim Hortons is just as addicting as skoal) since I kicked the bitch out. I will give that a shot.
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Passed the day 5, Friday night, Bud light test. Pretty interesting too as I didnt really know that beer had a taste.Just thought it tasted like the Skoal. Made it through a few beers with having some of the smokey mountain so it looks as if the fake is going to be a huge factor when I am putting a few back. Each day is gettin easier boys. Alright I am going to powerwash my grill and then coach a baseball game.
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Passed the day 5, Friday night, Bud light test. Pretty interesting too as I didnt really know that beer had a taste.Just thought it tasted like the Skoal. Made it through a few beers with having some of the smokey mountain so it looks as if the fake is going to be a huge factor when I am putting a few back. Each day is gettin easier boys. Alright I am going to powerwash my grill and then coach a baseball game.
Get 'er done Breezy!! Man it's such an honor to be able to quit with guys (and girls) like you. Authentic men and women who put the crap to bed and go out getting stuff done. Like coaching baseball. And feeding cattle. And parenting children. Seriously I don't think economists have factored in the amount of accomplishment members from this site can get done in their dire forecasts.
So today I choose to quit with you
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Not too shabby today. A little urge after lunch but went away rather quickly. Trouble sleeping again last night...same shit...woke up and couldnt breath. Not sure if it is REAL bad anxiety or something more. It is REAL bad when I lay down to sleep so I am leaning towards anxiety. I will give it a little mnore time before I hit the panic button (consciously atleast).
Hey bro - I went through the same thing. In fact, I am 31 days quit and I still wake up (all of the sudden and for no reason) at 2 am and 4 am - every fucking night!
It's weird!!!!! That is what a lot of these guys refer to when they talk about the fog. At least it was for me - walking around dizzy and not really able to focus - not feeling "present" in the moment.
This my friend, is the SUCK.
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So with a week in the books there are a few things I have concluded:
1.) The folks on this site KNOW what they are talking about so take heed to what they are telling you.
2.) It is called the suck for a reason. It sucks.
3.) Just when you think you are out of the woods because "I made it past day 3", that crave will sucker punch you from behind. Keep your guard up. In the past I have made it through day 3 and though I was in the clear. Then that crave came on day 5 and I would give in becasue "I've made it this far before I can do it again after this dip"... GET THAT SHIT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!!
4.) It is called the suck for a reason. It's sucks.
5.)You can overcome ANY trigger that is thrown at you. My brother and I began chewing around the same time ~20 years ago. There is never a time that we are together at a family thing that we dont wander off, have a dip and shoot the shit with a couple of beers after the big meal. Yesterday we did the same thing we always do minus me having that after meal dip with him. Guess what...the conversation was the same and the beer tasted a little better.
6.) Chewing takes a toll on most of your senses. Kind of amazed what I can smell and taste after a week off the poison
7.) Did I mention that it is called the suck for a reason..................
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So with a week in the books there are a few things I have concluded:
1.) The folks on this site KNOW what they are talking about so take heed to what they are telling you.
2.) It is called the suck for a reason. It sucks.
3.) Just when you think you are out of the woods because "I made it past day 3", that crave will sucker punch you from behind. Keep your guard up. In the past I have made it through day 3 and though I was in the clear. Then that crave came on day 5 and I would give in becasue "I've made it this far before I can do it again after this dip"... GET THAT SHIT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!!
4.) It is called the suck for a reason. It's sucks.
5.)You can overcome ANY trigger that is thrown at you. My brother and I began chewing around the same time ~20 years ago. There is never a time that we are together at a family thing that we dont wander off, have a dip and shoot the shit with a couple of beers after the big meal. Yesterday we did the same thing we always do minus me having that after meal dip with him. Guess what...the conversation was the same and the beer tasted a little better.
6.) Chewing takes a toll on most of your senses. Kind of amazed what I can smell and taste after a week off the poison
7.) Did I mention that it is called the suck for a reason..................
You are correct breez, everything is better. You are beginning to uncover all the lies of the poison. The poison has hijacked your senses, emotions, health and integrity. You are now taking all that back. As the days pass you will uncover the truths one by one. After time you will kick yourself dead in the but for being an idiot for umpteen years.
Stay vigilant brother. Keep your quit closer than a brother. The poison is far from finished with you. It does not like the fact that you are not giving it money everyday. It likes controlling you and it wants you back. One day at a time brother, it gets better my friend. I quit with you today.
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One of the best feelings that I have had so far with this quit is:
My 7 year old son was on the phone with my oldest 13 year old son (who lives out of state with his mom) and the first words out of his mouth when he took the phone were "Dad quit the yucky stuff" and as he said it he looked at me and winked. I am not the crying kind but that hit me hard.
When I got on the phone with my eldest son he said "Iam proud of you Dad. you have been saying it for as long as I can remember and you finally did it." Again, hit me pretty hard.
After those two things my lovely wife looked at me out of no where and said "I am very proud of you....just so you know that"
You see I was never a ninja dipper. I was always straight forward with my wife and kids. As a matter of fact when I first started dating my wife I said:
"I have three things that I need you to except and if you cant we should just stop this right now.
1. I watch football on Sundays. No family get togethers unless there is a tv. (her whole family is the same way so it worked out okay)
2. I drink beer with my friends on Fridays.
3. I chew tobacco and dont ever asked me to quit."
She never did ask me to quit but I wish she had. There were a few times ,years back, when we were having money issues and she never asked my to quit. It was actually in the budget. Shameful.
I am married to a saint and it rips me apart when I look back and all of the SHIT that this addiction has done.
Just wanted to post that since it was on my mind. Thanks for reading. Stay quit brothers.
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One of the best feelings that I have had so far with this quit is:
My 7 year old son was on the phone with my oldest 13 year old son (who lives out of state with his mom) and the first words out of his mouth when he took the phone were "Dad quit the yucky stuff" and as he said it he looked at me and winked. I am not the crying kind but that hit me hard.
When I got on the phone with my eldest son he said "Iam proud of you Dad. you have been saying it for as long as I can remember and you finally did it." Again, hit me pretty hard.
After those two things my lovely wife looked at me out of no where and said "I am very proud of you....just so you know that"
You see I was never a ninja dipper. I was always straight forward with my wife and kids. As a matter of fact when I first started dating my wife I said:
"I have three things that I need you to except and if you cant we should just stop this right now.
1. I watch football on Sundays. No family get togethers unless there is a tv. (her whole family is the same way so it worked out okay)
2. I drink beer with my friends on Fridays.
3. I chew tobacco and dont ever asked me to quit."
She never did ask me to quit but I wish she had. There were a few times ,years back, when we were having money issues and she never asked my to quit. It was actually in the budget. Shameful.
I am married to a saint and it rips me apart when I look back and all of the SHIT that this addiction has done.
Just wanted to post that since it was on my mind. Thanks for reading. Stay quit brothers.
This quit will allow you to evolve as so many of us have. We all have things we regret, time lost, etc. This is not minimizing, it is making you aware of all you have in front of you to go out and accomplish, rectify, atone for, and strive to be. The best part of the quit, and I believe I speak for everyone here, is that you grow so much as a person. You live every day to its fullest, you have a new perspective and cannot wait to show those you love how much their support still means to you.
Now is the time to embrace and give back my friend, do it passionately!
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One of the best feelings that I have had so far with this quit is:
My 7 year old son was on the phone with my oldest 13 year old son (who lives out of state with his mom) and the first words out of his mouth when he took the phone were "Dad quit the yucky stuff" and as he said it he looked at me and winked. I am not the crying kind but that hit me hard.
When I got on the phone with my eldest son he said "Iam proud of you Dad. you have been saying it for as long as I can remember and you finally did it." Again, hit me pretty hard.
After those two things my lovely wife looked at me out of no where and said "I am very proud of you....just so you know that"
You see I was never a ninja dipper. I was always straight forward with my wife and kids. As a matter of fact when I first started dating my wife I said:
"I have three things that I need you to except and if you cant we should just stop this right now.
1. I watch football on Sundays. No family get togethers unless there is a tv. (her whole family is the same way so it worked out okay)
2. I drink beer with my friends on Fridays.
3. I chew tobacco and dont ever asked me to quit."
She never did ask me to quit but I wish she had. There were a few times ,years back, when we were having money issues and she never asked my to quit. It was actually in the budget. Shameful.
I am married to a saint and it rips me apart when I look back and all of the SHIT that this addiction has done.
Just wanted to post that since it was on my mind. Thanks for reading. Stay quit brothers.
This quit will allow you to evolve as so many of us have. We all have things we regret, time lost, etc. This is not minimizing, it is making you aware of all you have in front of you to go out and accomplish, rectify, atone for, and strive to be. The best part of the quit, and I believe I speak for everyone here, is that you grow so much as a person. You live every day to its fullest, you have a new perspective and cannot wait to show those you love how much their support still means to you.
Now is the time to embrace and give back my friend, do it passionately!
Eric hit the nail on the head with his post. Quitting one of the most addictive drugs known to man is an eye opener. Suddenly a lot of things open up for you.
Also, you quitting is giving your sons such a better chance of not taking up such an awful addiction later on. Now when you tell them of this addiction they will respect your words of wisdom a lot more. You are not just telling them the facts, you are demonstrating that you believe what you are saying. Give yourself a pat on the back,, you have just improved their chances.
I don't know about you, but I was born into a life of nicotine. My parents, smoked, and didn't mind when i got older that i dipped. This is so sad to me now. I've got one word of advice for any parent. STOP THE CYCLE! Promoting this addiction to your children is WRONG AT THE HIGHEST DEGREE!!! I'm getting myself riled up, I have to calm down, i'm on vacation this week. Bottom line, good job, DAD!! I quit with you today.
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One of the best feelings that I have had so far with this quit is:
My 7 year old son was on the phone with my oldest 13 year old son (who lives out of state with his mom) and the first words out of his mouth when he took the phone were "Dad quit the yucky stuff" and as he said it he looked at me and winked. I am not the crying kind but that hit me hard.
When I got on the phone with my eldest son he said "Iam proud of you Dad. you have been saying it for as long as I can remember and you finally did it." Again, hit me pretty hard.
After those two things my lovely wife looked at me out of no where and said "I am very proud of you....just so you know that"
You see I was never a ninja dipper. I was always straight forward with my wife and kids. As a matter of fact when I first started dating my wife I said:
"I have three things that I need you to except and if you cant we should just stop this right now.
1. I watch football on Sundays. No family get togethers unless there is a tv. (her whole family is the same way so it worked out okay)
2. I drink beer with my friends on Fridays.
3. I chew tobacco and dont ever asked me to quit."
She never did ask me to quit but I wish she had. There were a few times ,years back, when we were having money issues and she never asked my to quit. It was actually in the budget. Shameful.
I am married to a saint and it rips me apart when I look back and all of the SHIT that this addiction has done.
Just wanted to post that since it was on my mind. Thanks for reading. Stay quit brothers.
This quit will allow you to evolve as so many of us have. We all have things we regret, time lost, etc. This is not minimizing, it is making you aware of all you have in front of you to go out and accomplish, rectify, atone for, and strive to be. The best part of the quit, and I believe I speak for everyone here, is that you grow so much as a person. You live every day to its fullest, you have a new perspective and cannot wait to show those you love how much their support still means to you.
Now is the time to embrace and give back my friend, do it passionately!
Eric hit the nail on the head with his post. Quitting one of the most addictive drugs known to man is an eye opener. Suddenly a lot of things open up for you.
Also, you quitting is giving your sons such a better chance of not taking up such an awful addiction later on. Now when you tell them of this addiction they will respect your words of wisdom a lot more. You are not just telling them the facts, you are demonstrating that you believe what you are saying. Give yourself a pat on the back,, you have just improved their chances.
I don't know about you, but I was born into a life of nicotine. My parents, smoked, and didn't mind when i got older that i dipped. This is so sad to me now. I've got one word of advice for any parent. STOP THE CYCLE! Promoting this addiction to your children is WRONG AT THE HIGHEST DEGREE!!! I'm getting myself riled up, I have to calm down, i'm on vacation this week. Bottom line, good job, DAD!! I quit with you today.
The best stuff gettinbreezy.
What it is all about brother.
Getting your life, wife and kids back.
Welcome to the 'real' world quitter.
Keep kickin' nic in the teeth every a.m. and your days will stack up quicker than you ever thought possible.
Quit on Sir!! 'bang head'
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So I am noticing that the craves are getting further apart but they are getting ALOT stronger. Nothing I cant handle but has anyone else experienced this as the quit went on? The sleeping is much better, I only wake up maybe once a night now instead of non-stop. there is my update for the day.
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So I am noticing that the craves are getting further apart but they are getting ALOT stronger. Nothing I cant handle but has anyone else experienced this as the quit went on? The sleeping is much better, I only wake up maybe once a night now instead of non-stop. there is my update for the day.
yes! You are a normal quitter...how bout that!? Craves come in all shapes and sizes, some worse than others...at day 43 my craves have almost completely subsided except for some form of a trigger that i haven't met face to face yet while quit...like last week was awful...fighting with the wife (we never fight) and i was about ready to pull my face off...but got through it...quit on son
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So I am noticing that the craves are getting further apart but they are getting ALOT stronger. Nothing I cant handle but has anyone else experienced this as the quit went on? The sleeping is much better, I only wake up maybe once a night now instead of non-stop. there is my update for the day.
yes! You are a normal quitter...how bout that!? Craves come in all shapes and sizes, some worse than others...at day 43 my craves have almost completely subsided except for some form of a trigger that i haven't met face to face yet while quit...like last week was awful...fighting with the wife (we never fight) and i was about ready to pull my face off...but got through it...quit on son
The only thing new with that is it was wrote on june 19, at 0659 hours. I don't think anything was wrote like that today. Quit on my friend.
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Had my first softball game since my quit, which is a huge trigger for me as EVERYONE on the team chews. I had a dip of my smokey mountain and was good to go.
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Had my first softball game since my quit, which is a huge trigger for me as EVERYONE on the team chews. I had a dip of my smokey mountain and was good to go.
You're a bad-ass mofo quitter Breezy. Proud to be in your quit group.
Also, I can relate to this post:
"So I am noticing that the craves are getting further apart but they are getting ALOT stronger. Nothing I cant handle but has anyone else experienced this as the quit went on? The sleeping is much better, I only wake up maybe once a night."
Let's keep talking it out with each other. That will strengthen our quits, and knowing what other folks are going through can help us realize that we're not alone. I quit with you today
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Great moment yesterday at my sons baseball game...To pre-emept the story ,my assistant coach chews. So we are losing 15-1 in the second inning and it just isnt looking good. We rally a bit and we end up being down 20-12 in the bottom of the sixth. Our last chance. We get it to 20-16, two outs bases loaded. We rally to tie it up, just an insane 15 minutes of 7 year old baseball. During all the commotion my assistant coach looks at me and says "You picked a terrible time to quit chewing" (as he was running back from his truck after grabbing his tin). I looked him right in the eye and said, "There has never been a better time to quit chewin. I am actually enjoying this instead of worrying about gettin another pinch from my tin that is in my truck....." His response....."Well played"
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Great moment yesterday at my sons baseball game...To pre-emept the story ,my assistant coach chews. So we are losing 15-1 in the second inning and it just isnt looking good. We rally a bit and we end up being down 20-12 in the bottom of the sixth. Our last chance. We get it to 20-16, two outs bases loaded. We rally to tie it up, just an insane 15 minutes of 7 year old baseball. During all the commotion my assistant coach looks at me and says "You picked a terrible time to quit chewing" (as he was running back from his truck after grabbing his tin). I looked him right in the eye and said, "There has never been a better time to quit chewin. I am actually enjoying this instead of worrying about gettin another pinch from my tin that is in my truck....." His response....."Well played"
Wow! That is awesome! Well played indeed, couldn't come up with a better response than that in a million years.
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Great moment yesterday at my sons baseball game...To pre-emept the story ,my assistant coach chews. So we are losing 15-1 in the second inning and it just isnt looking good. We rally a bit and we end up being down 20-12 in the bottom of the sixth. Our last chance. We get it to 20-16, two outs bases loaded. We rally to tie it up, just an insane 15 minutes of 7 year old baseball. During all the commotion my assistant coach looks at me and says "You picked a terrible time to quit chewing" (as he was running back from his truck after grabbing his tin). I looked him right in the eye and said, "There has never been a better time to quit chewin. I am actually enjoying this instead of worrying about gettin another pinch from my tin that is in my truck....." His response....."Well played"
Nice I echo "well played" you are getting it its fun to be nicotine free, not being a slave to the tin anymore missing the action to pack your lip... Just one thing why is the assistant coach dipping around 7yr olds. He wouldnt be allowed to smoke around them. Maybe the head coach should address that with his assisitant coach.
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Great moment yesterday at my sons baseball game...To pre-emept the story ,my assistant coach chews. So we are losing 15-1 in the second inning and it just isnt looking good. We rally a bit and we end up being down 20-12 in the bottom of the sixth. Our last chance. We get it to 20-16, two outs bases loaded. We rally to tie it up, just an insane 15 minutes of 7 year old baseball. During all the commotion my assistant coach looks at me and says "You picked a terrible time to quit chewing" (as he was running back from his truck after grabbing his tin). I looked him right in the eye and said, "There has never been a better time to quit chewin. I am actually enjoying this instead of worrying about gettin another pinch from my tin that is in my truck....." His response....."Well played"
Nice I echo "well played" you are getting it its fun to be nicotine free, not being a slave to the tin anymore missing the action to pack your lip... Just one thing why is the assistant coach dipping around 7yr olds. He wouldnt be allowed to smoke around them. Maybe the head coach should address that with his assisitant coach.
He never chews during the games. This was one of those games though! I would have packed a fatty if I was still a slave!! But I aint.....
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Day 14 is almost in the books. For some reason this as been the worst day so far. I havent had craves that are over bearing or anything like that but everytime I go to do something I think about having a dip and it immediately depresses me. This is the first that I have had this during my quit. I havent "enjoyed" anything today and I cannot motivate myself to do anything for the mere fact that I know I am going to want a dip with whatever I do. Again, it isnt an overbearing urge but its jus tsomething in my mind that keeps reminding me that "you used to loved having a dip when you did this" WHAT THE FUCK!!!! It's like someone is just playing mind games with me and the thing that pisses me off is that it is me, my conscience, that is playing the mind games.
On top of the mind games, if that isnt enough, I all of the sudden have a pain in my neck. I immediately think cancer. If I would have had this pain a year ago I would have chalked it up to a stiff neck and moved on.
Today put the "suck" in "The Suck"......
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Day 14 is almost in the books. For some reason this as been the worst day so far. I havent had craves that are over bearing or anything like that but everytime I go to do something I think about having a dip and it immediately depresses me. This is the first that I have had this during my quit. I havent "enjoyed" anything today and I cannot motivate myself to do anything for the mere fact that I know I am going to want a dip with whatever I do. Again, it isnt an overbearing urge but its jus tsomething in my mind that keeps reminding me that "you used to loved having a dip when you did this" WHAT THE FUCK!!!! It's like someone is just playing mind games with me and the thing that pisses me off is that it is me, my conscience, that is playing the mind games.
On top of the mind games, if that isnt enough, I all of the sudden have a pain in my neck. I immediately think cancer. If I would have had this pain a year ago I would have chalked it up to a stiff neck and moved on.
Today put the "suck" in "The Suck"......
Ahhhhhhh, the mental rollercoaster. Your in it now brother. To me the first 2, 3, 4 were the easiest. It's the mental part that can wear you slap out.
You are now making your way to a door that you must get through. This door will not be easy to Get to and open. You must push through. You will like what's on the other side my friend. Keep moving, don't give in.
This is where the poison is leaving the mind. Quitting comes from deep brother. Dig deep. It gets better. Make it to the door. I'm quit with you.
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Ahhhhhhh, the mental rollercoaster. Your in it now brother. To me the first 2, 3, 4 were the easiest. It's the mental part that can wear you slap out.
You are now making your way to a door that you must get through. This door will not be easy to Get to and open. You must push through. You will like what's on the other side my friend. Keep moving, don't give in.
This is where the poison is leaving the mind. Quitting comes from deep brother. Dig deep. It gets better. Make it to the door. I'm quit with you. [/QUOTE]
That is the type of advice that makes this forum worth sticking with. That type of support is exactly what has helped me make it though these two weeks. Thanks Srans
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GB, srans had those same words for me about 2 weeks ago, and I pushed through to a better place. Use your anger when the nic bitch wispers. I have found that getting pissed helps smack the nic bitch down faster than a strong pimp hand!
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That first month is a mother...and not in a good way. Hang in there. Read HOF speeches everynight and hit chat. You can do this. Srans know what he is talking about. The nic bitch is trying her seductive thing ...be smart. Remember to text friends...they are not there for emergencies but to support along the way. Remember...it does get better. You are fighting for your life right now and YOU are worth it. (Srans reminded me of that this week.)
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Yesterday was much better than Sunday. I pushed through and got did what needed to be got done and whenever she was whispering sweet nothings in my ear I just ignored her like I do my wife when I want nothing to do with what she is yappin about 'Crazy' . It never ceases to amaze me what the power of this forum can do for ones psyche...kudos to KTC!
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Yesterday was much better than Sunday. I pushed through and got did what needed to be got done and whenever she was whispering sweet nothings in my ear I just ignored her like I do my wife when I want nothing to do with what she is yappin about 'Crazy' . It never ceases to amaze me what the power of this forum can do for ones psyche...kudos to KTC!
GB. I wanted to throw some more advice your way. If you haven't yet, it really helps to read all you can on nicotine and the affects it has on you. I usually say it like this. Learn your enemy. Learning your enemy is half the battle. I found it really helped me mentally when I knew what and why it was happening.
Your doing great man, stay the course. Everything gets much better. You just have to believe. I can't tell you when but I can promise it does. I quit with you brother.
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Thanks again Srans. I will definitely do some research. Art of War type shit.
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Yesterday was much better than Sunday. I pushed through and got did what needed to be got done and whenever she was whispering sweet nothings in my ear I just ignored her like I do my wife when I want nothing to do with what she is yappin about 'Crazy' . It never ceases to amaze me what the power of this forum can do for ones psyche...kudos to KTC!
GB. I wanted to throw some more advice your way. If you haven't yet, it really helps to read all you can on nicotine and the affects it has on you. I usually say it like this. Learn your enemy. Learning your enemy is half the battle. I found it really helped me mentally when I knew what and why it was happening.
Your doing great man, stay the course. Everything gets much better. You just have to believe. I can't tell you when but I can promise it does. I quit with you brother.
I am going to piggy back on what Srans said...keep putting tools in your tool bag about your aggressor the more you know about your enemy the better off you will be. In the beginning you wont be able to fight her by yourself easily but you will develop enough power and knowledge to be able to pull the trigger when you cant hold her off alone, thats when you call us and we yes we will come running. Yep instead of reaching for slow death revolver your tin you reach for your phone and start dialing numbers that you should have by now. You dial like your life depended on it because it does...
Read Loots post in OCT group yesterday there was some good shit there brother.
PM if you need another number
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Made it through my first round of golf yesterday Nic free. Needed one pinch of the hooch to get me by. A round of golf used to be "I better have atleast two cans of chew on me" (fucking pathetic) even turned down a cigar which is usually a staple when golfing. Felt pretty fucking good about myself after all was said and done...my score blew donkey dick but I stayed nic free!!
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Made it through my first round of golf yesterday Nic free. Needed one pinch of the hooch to get me by. A round of golf used to be "I better have atleast two cans of chew on me" (fucking pathetic) even turned down a cigar which is usually a staple when golfing. Felt pretty fucking good about myself after all was said and done...my score blew donkey dick but I stayed nic free!!
What I've found is that my score blows donkey dick regardless of whether I chew during golf or not. And when I don't chew it means I get to hit on the beer cart girl without having a bunch of chew in my teeth. Think about all the activities that we thought required chew to be enjoyable. It was all BS. In a lot of cases chew actually became a distraction from the activity. And it required so much logistical planning (do I have a tin, do I have a spitter, can I get away to dip if need be?). All for a product that was absolutely, 100% killing us. And when you think about it being $5/can, well that's just adding insult to injury.
Glad to have you in the Sep quit group.
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Made it through my first round of golf yesterday Nic free. Needed one pinch of the hooch to get me by. A round of golf used to be "I better have atleast two cans of chew on me" (fucking pathetic) even turned down a cigar which is usually a staple when golfing. Felt pretty fucking good about myself after all was said and done...my score blew donkey dick but I stayed nic free!!
Darn right breezy. Go play gulf, what ever you want to do. You will find with time that you don't need the poison to have a good time.
I remember my first time fishing, which wasn't long ago. I love fishing. I was worried my first time fishing without my poison. I thought fishing and dipping were one in the same. Probably the same for you and gulf I bet.
We are idiots my friend. One has nothing to do with the other. Quit with you all day.
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Made it through my first round of golf yesterday Nic free. Needed one pinch of the hooch to get me by. A round of golf used to be "I better have atleast two cans of chew on me" (fucking pathetic) even turned down a cigar which is usually a staple when golfing. Felt pretty fucking good about myself after all was said and done...my score blew donkey dick but I stayed nic free!!
Darn right breezy. Go play gulf, what ever you want to do. You will find with time that you don't need the poison to have a good time.
I remember my first time fishing, which wasn't long ago. I love fishing. I was worried my first time fishing without my poison. I thought fishing and dipping were one in the same. Probably the same for you and gulf I bet.
We are idiots my friend. One has nothing to do with the other. Quit with you all day.
I have avoided fishing thus far. That is going to be the toughest of all the triggers. Going to climb that mountain this weekend though and I will survive it. I am too far into this quit to look back now. Actually looking forward to beating the fishing trigger becasue as I said, that is THE trigger that I have been most worried about since day one. Thanks for the support gents.