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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Sap on February 10, 2014, 10:06:00 AM
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The title of my original intro post was "This sucks", so the rest of this will make sense now that you know that.
Quitting, I mean, not this website. This website is about the only thing in my life right at this moment that doesn't suck. Everything else totally sucks. Yes, it is annoying and horrible and completely idiotic. It all sucks....
Obviously, that is the nic withdrawal talking. I'm usually a very upbeat guy, but right now I'm a seething, emotional, wreck. I'm holding it together pretty well on the outside. My friends and family can't even tell I'm fully engaged in the toughest willpower battle of my life, but here, I believe I'm free to let my true feelings exist. At least I hope so anyway.
So, hi, my alias is sapper, and this sucks.
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Quitting, I mean, not this website. This website is about the only thing in my life right at this moment that doesn't suck. Everything else totally sucks. Yes, it is annoying and horrible and completely idiotic. It all sucks....
Obviously, that is the nic withdrawal talking. I'm usually a very upbeat guy, but right now I'm a seething, emotional, wreck. I'm holding it together pretty well on the outside. My friends and family can't even tell I'm fully engaged in the toughest willpower battle of my life, but here, I believe I'm free to let my true feelings exist. At least I hope so anyway.
So, hi, my alias is sapper, and this sucks.
Yup. It sure do. But... you're taking the first step in making sure the rest of your life doesn't suck. Get yourself up to the Welcome Center link at the top of the page. It tells you what, how, and why we do things here at KTC. Follow the program and freedom is yours bro. Trust me when I tell you... what you're feeling right now DOES go away and it gets better like you can't imagine. Shoot me a message if you need some help...
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Quitting, I mean, not this website. This website is about the only thing in my life right at this moment that doesn't suck. Everything else totally sucks. Yes, it is annoying and horrible and completely idiotic. It all sucks....
Obviously, that is the nic withdrawal talking. I'm usually a very upbeat guy, but right now I'm a seething, emotional, wreck. I'm holding it together pretty well on the outside. My friends and family can't even tell I'm fully engaged in the toughest willpower battle of my life, but here, I believe I'm free to let my true feelings exist. At least I hope so anyway.
So, hi, my alias is sapper, and this sucks.
Yup. It sure do. But... you're taking the first step in making sure the rest of your life doesn't suck. Get yourself up to the Welcome Center link at the top of the page. It tells you what, how, and why we do things here at KTC. Follow the program and freedom is yours bro. Trust me when I tell you... what you're feeling right now DOES go away and it gets better like you can't imagine. Shoot me a message if you need some help...
Yup, it sucks....in fact we very creatively refer to it as THE SUCK in the early days. It does get better ODAAT. Welcome to KTC. You got this!
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Yeah, I know it will go away, but it is extremely tough. I've been dipping and / or smoking (but mostly dipping) for the last 15 years. There have been times when I haven't done either, maybe 6 months to a year here and there. Times when I've done both (combat deployments) and times when I've just done one or the other. For the last 4 years, it's been dip exclusively, and at its most egregious.
For the first 10 years, my consumption was never more than half a can a day (or a pack a day). Over the last 5 years it's gone up. 8 days ago, when I quit, the last time I bought a roll (5 pack) of dip was on Firday evening (Jan 31st), and by Sunday night (FEB 2), I had dipped all 5 cans. I had made the plan to quit early in JAN but just didn't do it until after that weekend when I literally spit out $25 of my hard earned cash in two days.
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Quitting, I mean, not this website. This website is about the only thing in my life right at this moment that doesn't suck. Everything else totally sucks. Yes, it is annoying and horrible and completely idiotic. It all sucks....
Obviously, that is the nic withdrawal talking. I'm usually a very upbeat guy, but right now I'm a seething, emotional, wreck. I'm holding it together pretty well on the outside. My friends and family can't even tell I'm fully engaged in the toughest willpower battle of my life, but here, I believe I'm free to let my true feelings exist. At least I hope so anyway.
So, hi, my alias is sapper, and this sucks.
Yup. It sure do. But... you're taking the first step in making sure the rest of your life doesn't suck. Get yourself up to the Welcome Center link at the top of the page. It tells you what, how, and why we do things here at KTC. Follow the program and freedom is yours bro. Trust me when I tell you... what you're feeling right now DOES go away and it gets better like you can't imagine. Shoot me a message if you need some help...
I found the stories on this site as well as the powerful story and gruesome pics from Outdoor Texan - http://outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm (http://outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm) to help keep the focus. The other trick that works for me is thinking about the cash the M-F'ers at RJR and other tobacco executives are putting in their pocket at my expense.
I view it as a game I am playing with the Nic Bitch while still understanding that I am messing with Brain chemistry so reality is a delicate place. I think everyone here has their own coping strategy. Mine focuses around changing my triggers. I used to sit in my home office every night dipping and doing computer work/play. Now if I need to work in the evening, I take my laptop into a different room. Drinking is simply off the table (a challenge in its own right). Anytime you change anything about a trigger (location, time of day, order, etc.) it can help take the edge off the crave.
There is a lot of experience and wisdom around here. It is your life and your future - take advantage of it.
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Yeah, I know it will go away, but it is extremely tough. I've been dipping and / or smoking (but mostly dipping) for the last 15 years. There have been times when I haven't done either, maybe 6 months to a year here and there. Times when I've done both (combat deployments) and times when I've just done one or the other. For the last 4 years, it's been dip exclusively, and at its most egregious.
For the first 10 years, my consumption was never more than half a can a day (or a pack a day). Over the last 5 years it's gone up. 8 days ago, when I quit, the last time I bought a roll (5 pack) of dip was on Firday evening (Jan 31st), and by Sunday night (FEB 2), I had dipped all 5 cans. I had made the plan to quit early in JAN but just didn't do it until after that weekend when I literally spit out $25 of my hard earned cash in two days.
We get it man. We really do.
I chewed for 25 years and was just plowing through 2 to 2 1/2 cans a day the last 10 years. I dropped it cold turkey. No fake... nothing... 300 days ago. If I can do it you can do it! There are lots of resources for you to cope. Herbal dips, seeds, candies, excercise... whatever it takes to keep nicotine out of your system. In 72 hrs... that poison is gone from your body. After that you fight with your own head... that can be the toughest. You get yourself some numbers of other quitters and get involved in your group. Become a leader... make yourself accountable on an epic level. It works bro. Trust me...
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I've read through this website a good deal. I'm making it through and I'm pretty proud of myself for what I've done so far. I hit the 168 hour mark (exactly 7 days) this morning at 7:30) and am now working on Day 8. It's been at least 4 years since I've gone longer than about 12 hours without a dip. Most of the cravings are manageable now. Day 2 was the absolute worst. But at least once a day I'm hit with a craving that I don't think I can get through. I actually stopped myself at the cash register this weekend, but in the end, I haven't caved yet.
I know that the worst is behind me, now it's a matter of just pushing on. The thing that is keeping me motivated is that I simply don't want to be dependent on something that costs more for me each month than my car payment and will kill me if I don't quit.
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I've read through this website a good deal. I'm making it through and I'm pretty proud of myself for what I've done so far. I hit the 168 hour mark (exactly 7 days) this morning at 7:30) and am now working on Day 8. It's been at least 4 years since I've gone longer than about 12 hours without a dip. Most of the cravings are manageable now. Day 2 was the absolute worst. But at least once a day I'm hit with a craving that I don't think I can get through. I actually stopped myself at the cash register this weekend, but in the end, I haven't caved yet.
I know that the worst is behind me, now it's a matter of just pushing on. The thing that is keeping me motivated is that I simply don't want to be dependent on something that costs more for me each month than my car payment and will kill me if I don't quit.
Right on!
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I've read through this website a good deal. I'm making it through and I'm pretty proud of myself for what I've done so far. I hit the 168 hour mark (exactly 7 days) this morning at 7:30) and am now working on Day 8. It's been at least 4 years since I've gone longer than about 12 hours without a dip. Most of the cravings are manageable now. Day 2 was the absolute worst. But at least once a day I'm hit with a craving that I don't think I can get through. I actually stopped myself at the cash register this weekend, but in the end, I haven't caved yet.
I know that the worst is behind me, now it's a matter of just pushing on. The thing that is keeping me motivated is that I simply don't want to be dependent on something that costs more for me each month than my car payment and will kill me if I don't quit.
Right on!
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Keep pushing Sapper you're doing it! Reaching out here is going to help more, too. I like that you are already hating the poison and the poison pushers. That can carry you a long way. Each painful crave, realize the poison did that and each minute you get through is another step towards freedom.
Keep reading here- other quitters stories will show you a lot of your own quit too. Educate youself on the evil of the addiction so you can understand what a great battle we are all fighting with you. And keep building out a network of accountability and support- make friends, get numbers, of people in your quit class and at other levels.
PM me for another number if you want - I'm always glad to help another person fight the nicbitch and UST!
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My philosphy by the way is this.
I track my quit in hours... at least to myself I do. Hours build faster than days or weeks, and right now I need tangible results of my efforts. I need to see progress happening quickly or I will lose my will. Hours are also the fundamental units involved in how we measure success or excellence: a fine race car will exceed 180 miles per HOUR. A hard working man (or woman) will put in a 40 HOUR work week. Internationally renowned experts in science put in thousands upon thousands of HOURS into their field of study.
I read in a book titled "Outliers" that to become an expert at something you must put in over 10,000 hours at it. Putting in 10,000 hours at a skill, sport, technology, etc is hard, because nobody can actually work a full 24 hours per day at that task. So, 10,000 hours takes years to achieve. But with quitting tobacco, 10,000 hours accumulates quickly, because every single hour of your life builds toward that goal. I've already logged almost 172 hours toward my quitting effort. 1000 hours will be achieved before this summer. By this summer, I'll be 1/10th of the way to being an expert quitter.
In 417 days, (or 1 year, 1 month, and 3 weeks), I'll have achieved "internationally recognized expert" status at quitting tobacco.
This is what motivates me. To build hours and become a legend.
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My philosphy by the way is this.
I track my quit in hours... at least to myself I do. Hours build faster than days or weeks, and right now I need tangible results of my efforts. I need to see progress happening quickly or I will lose my will. Hours are also the fundamental units involved in how we measure success or excellence: a fine race car will exceed 180 miles per HOUR. A hard working man (or woman) will put in a 40 HOUR work week. Internationally renowned experts in science put in thousands upon thousands of HOURS into their field of study.
I read in a book titled "Outliers" that to become an expert at something you must put in over 10,000 hours at it. Putting in 10,000 hours at a skill, sport, technology, etc is hard, because nobody can actually work a full 24 hours per day at that task. So, 10,000 hours takes years to achieve. But with quitting tobacco, 10,000 hours accumulates quickly, because every single hour of your life builds toward that goal. I've already logged almost 172 hours toward my quitting effort. 1000 hours will be achieved before this summer. By this summer, I'll be 1/10th of the way to being an expert quitter.
In 417 days, (or 1 year, 1 month, and 3 weeks), I'll have achieved "internationally recognized expert" status at quitting tobacco.
This is what motivates me. To build hours and become a legend.
I'll play the devil's advocate just a bit here Sapper. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, it never works around here. I'm not saying that keeping an "hourly" tab on your fight is a bad thing early on but that having any "goal" or "finish line" in mind is a bad mindset at any stage.
Just look at Philip Seymour Hoffman just last week, he slipped back into active addiction and it killed him.
There is no finish line, there is no expert level. There is only the quit today....and the right now. We are recovering nicotine addicts, not just guys quitting dip. If you need anything, i'm only a PM away.
Quit on brother!
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No, I'm not talking about an end point, my whole philosophy is about building hours. Gaining hours in my quit effort. The end point is not on my mind, I was just equating it to a tangible accomplishment (milestone) that I can look forward to at some point in the future. I don't see the 417 day mark as the end, I see it as a point that ultimately I want to get to. And I'm making a point that you can get to the 10,000 hour mark much faster at something that you are accomplishing with each and every passing of an hour as opposed to something that you only put an 8 hour day into over time.
Oh fuck it, nevermind, it makes sense to me.
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No, I'm not talking about an end point, my whole philosophy is about building hours. Gaining hours in my quit effort. The end point is not on my mind, I was just equating it to a tangible accomplishment (milestone) that I can look forward to at some point in the future. I don't see the 417 day mark as the end, I see it as a point that ultimately I want to get to. And I'm making a point that you can get to the 10,000 hour mark much faster at something that you are accomplishing with each and every passing of an hour as opposed to something that you only put an 8 hour day into over time.
Oh fuck it, nevermind, it makes sense to me.
I get it. Cool thought. This site's method can get you there if you stay all in! Glad to quit with you.
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A friend of mine that was supposed to quit smoking at the same time I quit dipping (and she did) caved big time yesterday. It was when she sent me a text to let me know she fell off the wagon that I knew I had to join this website and actually surround myself with quitters who were serious. I like this gal as a friend and all, and I'm going to be as supportive of her as I can, but truth is, I need a support network that I can count on, and unfortunately, I have to keep moving forward even if she decides to keep falling back.
I want her to succeed, but I can't let her failure stand in the way of my success. Is that not the most selfish statement you've ever heard? I feel like it is very selfish of me to say that, but it's true. I can't let her lack of success rub off on me. That's why I joined here. I am hoping to be surrounded by more quitters than cavers.
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A friend of mine that was supposed to quit smoking at the same time I quit dipping (and she did) caved big time yesterday. It was when she sent me a text to let me know she fell off the wagon that I knew I had to join this website and actually surround myself with quitters who were serious. I like this gal as a friend and all, and I'm going to be as supportive of her as I can, but truth is, I need a support network that I can count on, and unfortunately, I have to keep moving forward even if she decides to keep falling back.
I want her to succeed, but I can't let her failure stand in the way of my success. Is that not the most selfish statement you've ever heard? I feel like it is very selfish of me to say that, but it's true. I can't let her lack of success rub off on me. That's why I joined here. I am hoping to be surrounded by more quitters than cavers.
Sapper
You have to be selfish about this. This is between you, and you. That's it. We got ourselves into this mess and only ourselves can get us out. Wish them Well, but take care of yourself first!
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No, I'm not talking about an end point, my whole philosophy is about building hours. Gaining hours in my quit effort. The end point is not on my mind, I was just equating it to a tangible accomplishment (milestone) that I can look forward to at some point in the future. I don't see the 417 day mark as the end, I see it as a point that ultimately I want to get to. And I'm making a point that you can get to the 10,000 hour mark much faster at something that you are accomplishing with each and every passing of an hour as opposed to something that you only put an 8 hour day into over time.
Oh fuck it, nevermind, it makes sense to me.
I get it. Cool thought. This site's method can get you there if you stay all in! Glad to quit with you.
I hear you bro. Whatever it takes to stay quit. It will start getting easier and then before you know it you're counting days instead of hours. One day at a time is the largest increment of time we care about. For the first week it was better to count minutes or seconds.
Just make sure you post roll every morning so you are bound for the successive 24 hours. That's the key to success. That and weaving a web of accountability. You want to have brothers that you cannot let down. We are all fighting for additional years on this earth. We are winning. Climb aboard brother!
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Sapper,
Ok I just read thru your entire intro, I see your fight, know it well, and understand where you are!
As far as the hour by our, awesome,,,, but do listen to the other quitters and forget about tomorrow or hours in the future,,,, worry about this our and this day! It's easier on your addict brain to think short term rather than long term, hell I was minute by minute many times during my quit early on.
As for your selfishness, yes that's selfishness as hell! Allow me to let you in on a secret, I am so selfish with my quit that no one will ever be allowed to f it up! Piss on even my best friend should he come between me and my quit. This is the only area of my life if am selfish with. I would like to think of myself as a giving and caring person, but someone just the other day, that I am very close to thanked me for quitting, I quickly informed them that my quit wasn't for them so a thanks wasn't necessary but I would gladly accept a congrats. This is about you, your freedom, so protect it at all cost and never feel guilty for being selfish in your quit!
Saddle up this going to suck suck suck suck, try hard to remember it in detail. I did and now I never want to goth rough that shit again, thus I post my promise to these bad asses every damn day!
Erussell day 287.
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hello Sapper.
I have read thru your intro and you sound like everyone else here. Welcome my friend and fellow quitter.
Quit on brother, you can do this.
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Thanks all.
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Keep fighting the good fight man.
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Welcome, Sapper -- you've clearly given this some thoughtful deliberation, had a bit of the fog lift from your head, and even been thrown a curveball with your friend losing her quit. Great to see you plowing forward, committed to your "selfish" new way of life, and strengthening your resolve. Lots of great guys in the May Quit group, and happy to have you alongside us.
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Sapper - you will find a lot on here, but remember take what you need and leave the rest.
and in some famous words that someone said....Don't think too much, it will only hurt the ball club.... 'crackup'
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Hay Sapper, yep it sucks. Really sucks when you start. Realizing how much money has been wasted on nic sucks. All the health issues that comes with nicotine like tooth / gum disease, heart disease, cancer, etc, all suck. Realizing that for all these years we were not the person we were designed to be yet willingly gave up our freedom to be a slave to nic. That sucks. Everything about this whole deal sucks. We want to describe what it's like going through withdrawals as suck but actually it's the best thing to ever happen to us. It's the birth pains of taking our freedom back. You can do it. You've already started the journey. Proud to be quit with you.
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Thanks GDub. Today is a much better day for me than yesterday was. I'm feeling pretty good, not really feeling anxious and no real cravings yet.
I know not to let down my guard, but for now it feels good not to be jonesing for a dip.
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Thanks GDub. Today is a much better day for me than yesterday was. I'm feeling pretty good, not really feeling anxious and no real cravings yet.
I know not to let down my guard, but for now it feels good not to be jonesing for a dip.
The cravings will come, though they only last a few minutes. Have a plan for when they arrive.
ODAAT
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Thanks GDub. Today is a much better day for me than yesterday was. I'm feeling pretty good, not really feeling anxious and no real cravings yet.
I know not to let down my guard, but for now it feels good not to be jonesing for a dip.
Use these good times to refuel, to help you get through the tougher times. It'll come and go for a while. Keep hanging in there. Keeping a record of your quit on this thread will give you something to refer back to later. The brain will tend to soften or lose the memories of the suck, so log it in to help remind yourself of what you don't want to ever go through again, at a later point in your quit.
Nice job so far, keep fighting for your freedom and life!
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I feel the fog lifting today. Not dropping my guard, but today's the best day I've had in 11 days. I know it won't stay like this, but right now, my mind is clear, my anxiety level is down and my good nature is back.
I've quit and it feels good. I will continue to quit every day. every damn day, is that the term you kids are using these days? EDD?
Anyway, today is a good day so far.
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I feel the fog lifting today. Not dropping my guard, but today's the best day I've had in 11 days. I know it won't stay like this, but right now, my mind is clear, my anxiety level is down and my good nature is back.
I've quit and it feels good. I will continue to quit every day. every damn day, is that the term you kids are using these days? EDD?
Anyway, today is a good day so far.
Sapper...yep you're getting the vocabulay down. Even us 52 year old "kids" toss around these abbreviations! In fact, let's QLFEDD!!! :-)
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Yep that's it bro. EDD. Or QLFEDD !!! Bro, I gotta tell ya, it just keeps on getting better. Getting your freedom back is the best thing you'll ever do. It's so awesome !!! Proud to be quit with you.
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I feel the fog lifting today. Not dropping my guard, but today's the best day I've had in 11 days. I know it won't stay like this, but right now, my mind is clear, my anxiety level is down and my good nature is back.
I've quit and it feels good. I will continue to quit every day. every damn day, is that the term you kids are using these days? EDD?
Anyway, today is a good day so far.
That is great Sapper. Enjoy this feeling. Feels pretty damn good to be quit. Don't feel bad about having goods times... Those brief moments are glimpses into your future and they help you recharge for when it gets rough. I like how you are keeping your guard up because the fight is not over. You have to battle EDD. It will get better with time and the daily battle won't be as intense. For now, do whatever you got to do to keep NIC out your face and focus on being quit today! I'm QLF with you!
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Sapper, I like your fire and your ability to celebrate the good times. I almost got trapped in week 3 by this same attitude. Let me explain..
I had just come out of a "classroom" from taking a very big and important "test". I passed and it was such a relief. I was ready to celebrate and guess who was there ready to start off my party. Yep, the bitch. She was not just whispering but blowing balloons, tossing confetti, and pouring the drinks. "Just one dip big boy, you can quit me anytime. Today we celebrate" she said.
Well, I just smiled at her cunning nature. I laughed because she really is that good. It surprised me how one minute she screams at you to take her and the next she's stroking your rod to get you back. She really is a Bitch.
Stay strong and don't trust her. KTC and all of us kids know the way. Stay with us and celebrate here.
Mogul
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I feel the fog lifting today. Not dropping my guard, but today's the best day I've had in 11 days. I know it won't stay like this, but right now, my mind is clear, my anxiety level is down and my good nature is back.
I've quit and it feels good. I will continue to quit every day. every damn day, is that the term you kids are using these days? EDD?
Anyway, today is a good day so far.
QLF (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6349) +Every Damned Day (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8382) QLFEDD
Kids these days, bunch of foul-mouthed whipper snappers 'crackup'
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What a great day. No craves, well a little one when I was playing in the snow, but I smacked that shit down and threw her into low and climbed the snow covered 9% grade. Truthfully, not sure what the grade was, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't mega steep, just pretty steep. Probably about the most incline I'm comfortable climbing with nearly a foot of snow on it. Sat out by my favorite summertime fishing spot and watched the snow fall on the frozen lake, listened to the mallards beg me for some bread. All with no poison in my mouth and didn't really even miss it.
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What a great day. No craves, well a little one when I was playing in the snow, but I smacked that shit down and threw her into low and climbed the snow covered 9% grade. Truthfully, not sure what the grade was, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't mega steep, just pretty steep. Probably about the most incline I'm comfortable climbing with nearly a foot of snow on it. Sat out by my favorite summertime fishing spot and watched the snow fall on the frozen lake, listened to the mallards beg me for some bread. All with no poison in my mouth and didn't really even miss it.
Isn't it amazing that previous "must dip" activities can now be enjoyed as pleasant past-times on their own merit. Nice job! Quit on my friend.
ZC
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What a great day. No craves, well a little one when I was playing in the snow, but I smacked that shit down and threw her into low and climbed the snow covered 9% grade. Truthfully, not sure what the grade was, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't mega steep, just pretty steep. Probably about the most incline I'm comfortable climbing with nearly a foot of snow on it. Sat out by my favorite summertime fishing spot and watched the snow fall on the frozen lake, listened to the mallards beg me for some bread. All with no poison in my mouth and didn't really even miss it.
Isn't it amazing that previous "must dip" activities can now be enjoyed as pleasant past-times on their own merit. Nice job! Quit on my friend.
ZC
Yes it is. It was so nice to actually enjoy the day today. I watched a movie with my wife after putting the kids to bed (I've got three of those things... kids) and I wasn't wondering when I could run off and be by myself spitting into a plastic soda bottle, most likely sitting in my jeep out in some cold parking lot so I could pretend like I was hiding my addiction from my wife.
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What a great day. No craves, well a little one when I was playing in the snow, but I smacked that shit down and threw her into low and climbed the snow covered 9% grade. Truthfully, not sure what the grade was, it wasn't posted, but it wasn't mega steep, just pretty steep. Probably about the most incline I'm comfortable climbing with nearly a foot of snow on it. Sat out by my favorite summertime fishing spot and watched the snow fall on the frozen lake, listened to the mallards beg me for some bread. All with no poison in my mouth and didn't really even miss it.
Isn't it amazing that previous "must dip" activities can now be enjoyed as pleasant past-times on their own merit. Nice job! Quit on my friend.
ZC
Yes it is. It was so nice to actually enjoy the day today. I watched a movie with my wife after putting the kids to bed (I've got three of those things... kids) and I wasn't wondering when I could run off and be by myself spitting into a plastic soda bottle, most likely sitting in my jeep out in some cold parking lot so I could pretend like I was hiding my addiction from my wife.
Don't look now, but it looks like the real Sapper is emerging from a long, nic-induced hibernation...and he sounds like he's truly enjoying the little things in life that in the past were either annoyances before being able to snuggle with the Nic Bitch, or vehicles themselves for the toxic relationship. So damn refreshing to see the transformation unfold before us. Thanks for sharing, bro. Quit with you all day, every day.
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I think I'm no longer irrationally pissed either...
Oh, and by the way, the snowflake term actually has deeper ties to Project Mayhem than maybe any of us realized.
At the beginning of Project Mayhem when Tyler Durden is standing on the porch with the megaphone yelling at the Mayhem recruits who are working in the yard, I swear there is a point where he says, "You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake."
Perhaps I'm wrong. I need to IMDB that.
EDIT: I looked it up, and yes, that is exactly what he says. Full quote is as follows: "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile."
-Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 17
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I'm liking watching your quit take shape Sapper-- keep it up! You're going to appreciate this log you're creating too, a little farther down the road. Keep it rolling man you have some momentum building that's gonna carry you!
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I think I'm no longer irrationally pissed either...
Oh, and by the way, the snowflake term actually has deeper ties to Project Mayhem than maybe any of us realized.
At the beginning of Project Mayhem when Tyler Durden is standing on the porch with the megaphone yelling at the Mayhem recruits who are working in the yard, I swear there is a point where he says, "You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake."
Perhaps I'm wrong. I need to IMDB that.
EDIT: I looked it up, and yes, that is exactly what he says. Full quote is as follows: "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile."
-Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 17
Keep it up, Tyler, keep it up!
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I'm liking watching your quit take shape Sapper-- keep it up! You're going to appreciate this log you're creating too, a little farther down the road. Keep it rolling man you have some momentum building that's gonna carry you!
agree that this snowflake is solidifying so much that people better watch out as if they get hit in the head it may knock them out...
well done and not only keep up the good work, but see it all the way through...
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Well, when I'm not a raging lunatic, I'm a pretty decent guy.
Again thanks all for the support and also for the texts. I've already had to increase my texting plan for this month. Oh well, spending an extra $10 a month on unlimited texts is not breaking the bank when I'm saving $200 a month not buying dip.
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Well, when I'm not a raging lunatic, I'm a pretty decent guy.
Again thanks all for the support and also for the texts. I've already had to increase my texting plan for this month. Oh well, spending an extra $10 a month on unlimited texts is not breaking the bank when I'm saving $200 a month not buying dip.
You're doing great. Nice avatar!!
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Well, when I'm not a raging lunatic, I'm a pretty decent guy.
Again thanks all for the support and also for the texts. I've already had to increase my texting plan for this month. Oh well, spending an extra $10 a month on unlimited texts is not breaking the bank when I'm saving $200 a month not buying dip.
Remember, there is an inverse relationship to assholedness/raging and the number of days quit. My better half is hoping I will actually drop below my original asshole base level as my quit days progress. Alas, I fear that once an asshole always an asshole, but at least I can return to the base asshole she fell in love with.....eventually. Quit with you!
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
It keeps getting better. Faster for some and others and it goes up and down, at least for me so far. Enjoy the times you feel really good....they will be more frequent and longer in duration as each day passes.
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
meh, you're probably still an asshole, deep down. 'crackup'
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
meh, you're probably still an asshole, deep down. 'crackup'
:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
meh, you're probably still an asshole, deep down. 'crackup'
:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
Going to try this and see if I can paste a link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA)
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I've always been kind of an asshole, but never a raging, seething lunatic like when I didn't have a fix. Even though I'm only 12 days into this, I feel so much more even keeled than I did 2 weeks ago, or a week ago. I like being me again.
meh, you're probably still an asshole, deep down. 'crackup'
:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
Going to try this and see if I can paste a link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA)
The link seems to work....that's a first....did not need a dip to figure it out either 'crackup'
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It would be fair to say that everyone that quits is soon going to be asking for forgiveness from the ones we love and those around us. We just aren't gonna e pleasant for a while. Just try to minimize it and ask for grace and understanding while your getting clean. It will pass soon and the real you will be emerging. It's awesome bro.
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When the time comes, I'm going to have to start the conversation with something along the following lines:
"Honey, I've been dipping for years, mostly behind your back, and when you have discovered my cans, I lied to you about how bad the problem was. I know that you know it was worse than I let on, but I now have to come totally clean and tell you that it was much worse than you even suspected. It was hundreds of dollars a month and hours of our precious time together thrown into the trash at convenience stores and parks (anywhere that you wouldn't find my disgusting spitters in our own trash). My addiction is very likely the biggest reason for most of our fights and why I have found excuses not to be with you. I don't expect you to forgive me quickly, but as of right now, I've quit. I quit every single day, but I last had a dip XX days ago. When you're done being rightfully mad at me, please sit down with me and help me plan out how to continue to stay quit."
This conversation is the part of this whole thing I'm looking forward to the least, but I'll have it, and it will be soon.
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Tell her now!!!! And ask her to read the spousal support.
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I'm ready for the shit storm this will create, but here goes.
The reason I don't tell her now is because our marriage has been pretty rocky for a long time. We work through it and keep making up, but it isn't a strong relationship. We have a newborn who spent 3 weeks in the NICU with a tumor on his pancreas (that was removed and he's totally fine now). She's not getting much sleep and my real fear is that as fragile as I still am in my quit that her reaction will be pure anger and I'll have to endure a barrage of judgement and criticism. I am not saying that I don't deserve it, I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm strong enough to take it just yet. That is a huge trigger for me. Fight in the past almost always = go have a dip. If my apology turns into a fight, I'm not sure how I'd fare.
Is it weak, yes. It is extremely weak and it's sad, but it's also reality and I must get stronger in my quit before I expose myself to that.
That being said, by day 30 I'll have that talk. I'll let you know when I do, and I'll most likely let you know before I do so that I can have a support group waiting to talk me off the ledge that I'm deathly afraid I'll be standing on after.
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glad your kid is fine.
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can. Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.
Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing. I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.
I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can. Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.
Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing. I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.
I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
I would talk with the wife ASAP. Dipping created a lot of issues in my marriage as well... I was a ninja dipper, lied about it and that was the main problem. I came clean to Mrs. Derk early it made all the difference in the world. Don't sell your wife short... her reaction may surprise you. Read thru my intro a bit if you have time. The key is admitting you are an addict, you are committed to quitting and discuss the role of KTC in your quit. Quit on bro!
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can. Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.
Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing. I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.
I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
I would talk with the wife ASAP. Dipping created a lot of issues in my marriage as well... I was a ninja dipper, lied about it and that was the main problem. I came clean to Mrs. Derk early it made all the difference in the world. Don't sell your wife short... her reaction may surprise you. Read thru my intro a bit if you have time. The key is admitting you are an addict, you are committed to quitting and discuss the role of KTC in your quit. Quit on bro!
I have to agree with these guys. My wife likes and respects me a lot better after I told her everything. She trusts me now, she didn't before. I was a ninja and came clean with her. Home life has never been better, actually. PLUS, she can be a huge part of your accountability. You need that for you.
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can. Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.
Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing. I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.
I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
I would talk with the wife ASAP. Dipping created a lot of issues in my marriage as well... I was a ninja dipper, lied about it and that was the main problem. I came clean to Mrs. Derk early it made all the difference in the world. Don't sell your wife short... her reaction may surprise you. Read thru my intro a bit if you have time. The key is admitting you are an addict, you are committed to quitting and discuss the role of KTC in your quit. Quit on bro!
I have to agree with these guys. My wife likes and respects me a lot better after I told her everything. She trusts me now, she didn't before. I was a ninja and came clean with her. Home life has never been better, actually. PLUS, she can be a huge part of your accountability. You need that for you.
Hey Sapper,
Let's imagine that you took that one step further into your quit and actually decided, committed and believed that using nicotine wasn't even an option.
Now, go talk to your wife. Even if there is an argument, Nicotine isn't an option. You can handle it. Don't let nicotine help feed your fear of the WHAT IF. It's not an option. It doesn't get a say.
Own it. You got this!
Ginet
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I fully admit that you are all right.
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I fully admit that you are all right.
Sapper,
I started dipping in 1995 as a 20-something; a late bloomer. I was ashamed of it and hid it from everyone. I was a chef at the time and worked 90+ hours a week. If I was at work I was going a mile a second and didn't have time to think about it. As soon as I got out of work I was filling my face in solitude.
Girlfriends came and went. They never knew. I made sure my house was "dip proof" whenever I left. The can was in my bag. The spitter (12 oz aluminum can) was in the back of a drawer at my desk. I never got caught.
I met my wife (a Rn in a NICU) in 1995 but we didn't date until 2001. From that first date until today we are inseparable, and yet I still dipped as a ninja and never got caught. I wouldn't spend the night at her place very often because I needed to get home to dip. If she stayed at my place I would struggle. Once she moved in I started taking multiple showers a day just for a few minutes of dip time. I would "shit" for the longest time. Irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn's diseases, and other illnesses were mentioned. Nope, I was fine, just hiding in the shitter dipping happily. I never slowed down. I managed to find time alone to ingest 1+ cans a day.
I wanted to quit when we got engaged. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when we got married. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when our first daughter was born. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when our second daughter was born. That didn't happen. I did quit when I had a cancer scare from my dentist on 10/10/2012, 493 days ago. Now, for 16 years I dipped as a ninja and damn it I was going to quit as a ninja.
The first few days were easy. I was pissed at it! Then, it started to get rough. My wife has always worked nights and weekends, so I am Mr Mom a lot. A three year old and a baby was tough. I was foggy as could be but more noticeable was the fact that I was just miserable and hating everything about myself and my life.
I had met sox2012 for lunch in the early 20s of my quit. He too was a ninja and suggested I come clean to the wife and get her support. No way! For 16 years I dipped as a ninja and damn it I was going to quit as a ninja.
A few days later, day 28 to be exact, I was pissed, angry, pushing homicidal. At dinner my older daughter looked at me and then said to my wife, "Daddy doesn't seem happy anymore. What did we do?" That was my breaking point.
That night when the girls were taking a bath I talked to my wife. She asked if I was cheating on her, if I wanted a divorce. She asked about every situation that that could make a man "unhappy" to be at home with his family. I told her I was had been using tobacco and that I had quit, and that was why I "was a little off". It was the most difficult words I have ever spoken. Did she then understand? Hell no! She was pissed! She said that I had lied to her all those years (some chick logic about lying by omission, I still donÂ’t get that). I told her about KTC. I told her about the guys. I told her about Sox2012.
The next few days were nothing special, but her hatred towards me lessened. Not once, even to this day, has she ever said "I'm proud of you for quitting. I know it's hard". She doesn't understand this addiction. She knows that I will drop what I'm doing to meet a quitter in person if that opportunity arises. She knows that I am on KTC a lot. She knows there are a slew of contacts in my phone that all start with "KTC - ". She has grown to accept these facts. I don't know if the likes it or not. That doesn't matter, but she now knows I'm quit and that she and ours girls are getting the benefits of a happier husband and father, that doesn't lie, steal time and/or money, and one that doesn't hide from them to romance a slow death sentence.
This fight is difficult. Get all the help you can and start at home. Like quitting, it will suck in the beginning, but it will keep getting better with every +1.
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.
I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.
I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
Sucks being a low down dirty rotten addict liar eh Snapper? At least you are recovering :)
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.
I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.
I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.
I'm of a different thought. I know the vets here can tell us historically what has worked in the past, they sure know an awful lot about addict v quit. My lone caveat is this: Only Sapper knows his wife and marital qualities, hell none of us even know Sapper other than by what he's revealed. Of course the final decision is Sapper's, my unsolicited advice...do what you think will be best. Generating stress right now might not be in your best interest. On the other hand, she might jump for joy and encourage you, that's one very deep level of accountability. In the end, all that the KTC community ultimately desires is for you to remain in the quit.
Sapper, I've got a couple guest rooms if you need one...
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.
Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.
There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.
I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.
I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.
I'm of a different thought. I know the vets here can tell us historically what has worked in the past, they sure know an awful lot about addict v quit. My lone caveat is this: Only Sapper knows his wife and marital qualities, hell none of us even know Sapper other than by what he's revealed. Of course the final decision is Sapper's, my unsolicited advice...do what you think will be best. Generating stress right now might not be in your best interest. On the other hand, she might jump for joy and encourage you, that's one very deep level of accountability. In the end, all that the KTC community ultimately desires is for you to remain in the quit.
Sapper, I've got a couple guest rooms if you need one...
Sapper -
I will just add, whenever you break the news, there is support for you and for her. There is the section to read for the spousal support, but there is also a Ladies Only group over on FB for the female quitters and wives of quitters.
I was never a ninja, but my wife had no experience with any type of addiction in anyone in her family. She thought it was 'weird' when I wanted to meet some of the guys in person here, and brought her along to meet them and their wives. And it helped tremendously as she got to talk to them and find out more. And she now has been one of my biggest supporters to date and actually cannot wait to meet more.
Be good, be strong, and yell if you need anything.
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Well, we went to dinner tonight and had a great time. I wasn't jonesing for a dip the whole time, nor was I short tempered and annoyed the whole time which is what I would have been two weeks ago and is also what has been driving a wedge between us. Anyway, she commented about how much fun she was having and that she was glad I was being pleasant and acting comfortable, not trying to rush things. Then she goes, "don't blow it."
I told her that I wouldn't that I was making some changes in my attitude and decisions and really striving to improve our relationship. She said that it tonight was a step in the right direction.
I couldn't bring myself to tell her about the dipping and quitting and all this. I honestly think it would have done more harm than good. We can talk about it later, right now, she needs to see tangible results and then I can tell her where they came from later.
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Well, we went to dinner tonight and had a great time. I wasn't jonesing for a dip the whole time, nor was I short tempered and annoyed the whole time which is what I would have been two weeks ago and is also what has been driving a wedge between us. Anyway, she commented about how much fun she was having and that she was glad I was being pleasant and acting comfortable, not trying to rush things. Then she goes, "don't blow it."
I told her that I wouldn't that I was making some changes in my attitude and decisions and really striving to improve our relationship. She said that it tonight was a step in the right direction.
I couldn't bring myself to tell her about the dipping and quitting and all this. I honestly think it would have done more harm than good. We can talk about it later, right now, she needs to see tangible results and then I can tell her where they came from later.
Sapper
Actions do speak louder than words. You know your wife better than us. Just stay quit. That's your job now. Everything else will follow. That's what I believe anyways. Glad you had a good night.
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Sapper,
You have received a lot of good advice here. I do want to caution you that even though you believe now that your mind is clear and you feel calm inside that the rages you experienced earlier a few days ago can still happen again. I see myself in you in the beginning.... A few months ago very early in my quit I experienced irrational rages over tiny minor things like parking on my side of the garage. Made no sense at all. It may help your wife to understand your behavior should this happen to you. I think all will understand and support you telling her when you are ready. Just keep in mind that in the beginning you may act a little wild and a little crazy.
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Sapper,
You have received a lot of good advice here. I do want to caution you that even though you believe now that your mind is clear and you feel calm inside that the rages you experienced earlier a few days ago can still happen again. I see myself in you in the beginning.... A few months ago very early in my quit I experienced irrational rages over tiny minor things like parking on my side of the garage. Made no sense at all. It may help your wife to understand your behavior should this happen to you. I think all will understand and support you telling her when you are ready. Just keep in mind that in the beginning you may act a little wild and a little crazy.
Cross is right. Ive pretty much been sailing, but yesterday on my day 75 my phone kept freezing up when i was trying to look at my company website, out of know where i grit my teeth and started twisting my old ass piece of shit iphone 4 in half until i hear it start cracking. Then i stopped, it froze again and i literally held my fist up to it and it was everything i could to to stop myself from busting this piece of shit up. I dont have anger issues normally, just pointless temper flares every now and again. This has got me laughing now as i type it. How silly :) you are winning Sapper but never get complacent.
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I'm ready for the shit storm this will create, but here goes.
The reason I don't tell her now is because our marriage has been pretty rocky for a long time. We work through it and keep making up, but it isn't a strong relationship. We have a newborn who spent 3 weeks in the NICU with a tumor on his pancreas (that was removed and he's totally fine now). She's not getting much sleep and my real fear is that as fragile as I still am in my quit that her reaction will be pure anger and I'll have to endure a barrage of judgement and criticism. I am not saying that I don't deserve it, I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm strong enough to take it just yet. That is a huge trigger for me. Fight in the past almost always = go have a dip. If my apology turns into a fight, I'm not sure how I'd fare.
Is it weak, yes. It is extremely weak and it's sad, but it's also reality and I must get stronger in my quit before I expose myself to that.
That being said, by day 30 I'll have that talk. I'll let you know when I do, and I'll most likely let you know before I do so that I can have a support group waiting to talk me off the ledge that I'm deathly afraid I'll be standing on after.
Sapper - One of the many great things about KTC is that there are so many people who can relate, in some or all respects, to what someone else is going through. It's also the paradox, since there's guys who went / are going through the same thing as you, and have vastly different experiences and, by extension, advice. For what it's worth, count me in the camp of you gotta do what you know is best for you and your family, and when you think it is best to do it. My wife I have a 3-yr old son, and I vividly remember the first few months that he was home from the hospital -- and it was a Rubix-fucking-cube of sleep deprivation, batshit crazy hormones (hers, not mine), work schedules, and trying to figure out how to be first-time parents on the fly. In a nutshell, there was plenty of stress to go around. I have no idea if any those elements apply in your home at the moment, and you're obviously the best judge of when to have "the conversation", but I get where you're coming from in pegging a day in your quit to have the talk. Hell, if you continue earning points for being an engaged husband / father and pleasant to be around, the talk could be that much smoother -- presumably you could paint a pretty compelling before-and-after picture of your quit. Regardless, hope all is well on the home-front.
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I just had the most vividly disturbing cave dream. In it, I was dipping at one of my son's Cub Scout family camp outs in front of all the boys, other scout leaders, and parents and while I've got the dip in, somebody asks to bum one and I'm spitting and saying in front of everybody, oh no I don't have any I quit two weeks ago.
And on another note, I'm tired of posting roll only to get bumped off if it like every fucking day.
Kind of grumpy this morning.
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I just had the most vividly disturbing cave dream. In it, I was dipping at one of my son's Cub Scout family camp outs in front of all the boys, other scout leaders, and parents and while I've got the dip in, somebody asks to bum one and I'm spitting and saying in front of everybody, oh no I don't have any I quit two weeks ago.
And on another note, I'm tired of posting roll only to get bumped off if it like every fucking day.
Kind of grumpy this morning.
Dip dreams don't go away. I had my second in a row today(151). Too bad we're addicts. As for the bumping it happens. Best defense is wait around a while to see if you get bumped and fix it. :ph43r:
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I just had the most vividly disturbing cave dream. In it, I was dipping at one of my son's Cub Scout family camp outs in front of all the boys, other scout leaders, and parents and while I've got the dip in, somebody asks to bum one and I'm spitting and saying in front of everybody, oh no I don't have any I quit two weeks ago.
And on another note, I'm tired of posting roll only to get bumped off if it like every fucking day.
Kind of grumpy this morning.
Dip dreams don't go away. I had my second in a row today(151). Too bad we're addicts. As for the bumping it happens. Best defense is wait around a while to see if you get bumped and fix it. :ph43r:
Man, what I wouldn't give to get bumped off roll again! The good old days. Ha!
The new quit groups have a lot of action on the page and it just happens. As time progresses people get to understand it and keep an eye out for when hey bump. So, it gets better.
Don't let this be an obstacle. Post in the am then check back later and redo it if you have to. It is part of the process.
Your kickin ass. Keep it up today.
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I just had the most vividly disturbing cave dream. In it, I was dipping at one of my son's Cub Scout family camp outs in front of all the boys, other scout leaders, and parents and while I've got the dip in, somebody asks to bum one and I'm spitting and saying in front of everybody, oh no I don't have any I quit two weeks ago.
And on another note, I'm tired of posting roll only to get bumped off if it like every fucking day.
Kind of grumpy this morning.
Dip dreams don't go away. I had my second in a row today(151). Too bad we're addicts. As for the bumping it happens. Best defense is wait around a while to see if you get bumped and fix it. :ph43r:
Agree^^^^....had one two nights ago entering Day 40....was hoping they went away, but can accept it if they do not. Chin up Sapper, in the end nothing gets better with dip; the ol' 1 problem + dip = 2 problems....anything else you might think is just the nic bitch trying to trick you. You are really working through this, keep it up. Quit with you.
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I just had the most vividly disturbing cave dream. In it, I was dipping at one of my son's Cub Scout family camp outs in front of all the boys, other scout leaders, and parents and while I've got the dip in, somebody asks to bum one and I'm spitting and saying in front of everybody, oh no I don't have any I quit two weeks ago.
And on another note, I'm tired of posting roll only to get bumped off if it like every fucking day.
Kind of grumpy this morning.
Dip dreams don't go away. I had my second in a row today(151). Too bad we're addicts. As for the bumping it happens. Best defense is wait around a while to see if you get bumped and fix it. :ph43r:
Man, what I wouldn't give to get bumped off roll again! The good old days. Ha!
The new quit groups have a lot of action on the page and it just happens. As time progresses people get to understand it and keep an eye out for when hey bump. So, it gets better.
Don't let this be an obstacle. Post in the am then check back later and redo it if you have to. It is part of the process.
Your kickin ass. Keep it up today.
d40 - You got your wish...bumped you on April 2014 this morning....fixed it too 'crackup' Ah, the good ol' days
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So, the beauty of this site has fully revealed itself to me. I woke up grumpy, was grumpy all day, still am kind of grumpy. I am about 99% certain I would have caved today if it hadn't been for this site. Let me explain.
I knew immediately that I was dealing with the 2 week weakness, which I learned about from this site.
I contacted some folks in my text group and told them that life was sucking... and even got a random unsolicited text from gdub.
I posted in the like half a dozen threads I'm now being held accountable in.
When the cravings and overall shittiness was at its peak, I just knew caving wasn't an option. I couldn't dare post on this website after all the outreach, education, and support I've gotten today to say that I had given up and caved. In the end, it's the accountability and knowledge that mattered, and both came from KTC.
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So, the beauty of this site has fully revealed itself to me. I woke up grumpy, was grumpy all day, still am kind of grumpy. I am about 99% certain I would have caved today if it hadn't been for this site. Let me explain.
I knew immediately that I was dealing with the 2 week weakness, which I learned about from this site.
I contacted some folks in my text group and told them that life was sucking... and even got a random unsolicited text from gdub.
I posted in the like half a dozen threads I'm now being held accountable in.
When the cravings and overall shittiness was at its peak, I just knew caving wasn't an option. I couldn't dare post on this website after all the outreach, education, and support I've gotten today to say that I had given up and caved. In the end, it's the accountability and knowledge that mattered, and both came from KTC.
'clap' - well done, and should feel good when you realize that you are not alone
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So, the beauty of this site has fully revealed itself to me. I woke up grumpy, was grumpy all day, still am kind of grumpy. I am about 99% certain I would have caved today if it hadn't been for this site. Let me explain.
I knew immediately that I was dealing with the 2 week weakness, which I learned about from this site.
I contacted some folks in my text group and told them that life was sucking... and even got a random unsolicited text from gdub.
I posted in the like half a dozen threads I'm now being held accountable in.
When the cravings and overall shittiness was at its peak, I just knew caving wasn't an option. I couldn't dare post on this website after all the outreach, education, and support I've gotten today to say that I had given up and caved. In the end, it's the accountability and knowledge that mattered, and both came from KTC.
'clap' - well done, and should feel good when you realize that you are not alone
You got it. If you caved it'd be an epic failure and devastating to many people. You have accountability now. You simply cannot cave. Way to get it. I quit with you today.
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
Woah, I think we have found ourselves a quitter!!!
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
Woah, I think we have found ourselves a quitter!!!
That's kick ass! Proud of you!
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
Woah, I think we have found ourselves a quitter!!!
That's kick ass! Proud of you!
Well done Sapper! You have a right to be proud. You are earning back your freedom. Stay vigilant today! QLF!!
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
Woah, I think we have found ourselves a quitter!!!
That's kick ass! Proud of you!
Well done Sapper! You have a right to be proud. You are earning back your freedom. Stay vigilant today! QLF!!
Nice job!!! Keep up the great work!!! You're WINNING
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First day of week 3:
Some thoughts. It has been five years since I've been this long without tobacco.
In about another week, it will be the longest I've been without any form of nicotine since I started using it in college (fifteen years ago).
My energy levels are pretty good, got a great night of sleep last night. Cravings are essentially a non-issue now (though I know I can never let my guard down).
My mouth feels good, sores have mostly gone away.
I'm not experiencing rage and anxiety like I was the first week and a half.
I'm already starting to make internet friends (wub you guys!) okay, yeah, now to say something manly.... ummm, beer, and football.... yeah, fishing!
My wife is already noticing a difference in my behavior and level of grumpiness has gone down. We even shared some time last night laughing hysterically at random stupid funny shit on the internent. That's good bonding time for you younger kids who don't know how to keep you wife happy to be with you.
All in all, I"m doing good. I'm proud of my success to date and I'm QLF EDD.
That Sir, Is what we call winning. You are doing a fine job Sapper ;Ironman:
Go, Sapper, Go!
Woah, I think we have found ourselves a quitter!!!
That's kick ass! Proud of you!
Well done Sapper! You have a right to be proud. You are earning back your freedom. Stay vigilant today! QLF!!
Nice job!!! Keep up the great work!!! You're WINNING
Well done sapper, keep it up.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
Because it's a mindset. I QLF EDD. I post my committment in 6 different threads (exposing my name and word to hundreds of people) EDD. I'm nothing if I'm not vain, I don't like to look bad, and I've put myself in a position that I'll look really bad if I cave.
When I set my mind to something, I do it. In the past, I've never truly set my mind to my quit effort, it was always the stupid, "oh, I can handle this and quit whenever I want." I know that's bullshit now, which is why I'm here, which is why I came here even after I had managed to quit and stay quit for the first 8 days. I knew that it was only a matter of time that "nobody will ever know" would rear its ugly head and so I desperately searched for a group to help me stay true to my word.
This time, it IS different, and those aren't just words.. Those are honest to god actions, me being on this site, me giving my number to literally a dozen random people to text and call me and for me text and call them. These are not the normal actions of Sapper, trust me. I'm making committed, purposeful changes in my behavior, so it is in fact different this time.
I'm glad I found this site when I did, because had I not, I'd have caved by now, I know it. Now, I can't cave, because well, I just can't face all these people and say, I gave up on myself even when you didn't.
But, all I can offer you Loot is my word, and that word 2 weeks ago meant shit, because that word was dripping in dip spit, but the word I offer you now, the one that I have always held as sacred, is clean, with fresh minty toothpaste and no nicotine anywhere in it, because that has not been a part of my life now for the last 15 days and by god it never will be again.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
Because it's a mindset. I QLF EDD. I post my committment in 6 different threads (exposing my name and word to hundreds of people) EDD. I'm nothing if I'm not vain, I don't like to look bad, and I've put myself in a position that I'll look really bad if I cave.
When I set my mind to something, I do it. In the past, I've never truly set my mind to my quit effort, it was always the stupid, "oh, I can handle this and quit whenever I want." I know that's bullshit now, which is why I'm here, which is why I came here even after I had managed to quit and stay quit for the first 8 days. I knew that it was only a matter of time that "nobody will ever know" would rear its ugly head and so I desperately searched for a group to help me stay true to my word.
This time, it IS different, and those aren't just words.. Those are honest to god actions, me being on this site, me giving my number to literally a dozen random people to text and call me and for me text and call them. These are not the normal actions of Sapper, trust me. I'm making committed, purposeful changes in my behavior, so it is in fact different this time.
I'm glad I found this site when I did, because had I not, I'd have caved by now, I know it. Now, I can't cave, because well, I just can't face all these people and say, I gave up on myself even when you didn't.
But, all I can offer you Loot is my word, and that word 2 weeks ago meant shit, because that word was dripping in dip spit, but the word I offer you now, the one that I have always held as sacred, is clean, with fresh minty toothpaste and no nicotine anywhere in it, because that has not been a part of my life now for the last 15 days and by god it never will be again.
You paid attention to the advice you were given. You built yourself a plan. You built the accountability. You drank the kool aid even if we drug you to the trough kicking and screaming. Now, we'll just build your quit house brick by brick, day by day, until you are a nic bitch slaying, no bullshit taking, addict speak identifying, monster of a quit beast.
No doubt you'll be fine, but your addiction is not done with you by a long damned shot. Day 30. Day 80. Day 125. Day 250. Day 400. Day 700. Those are the approximate times you will walk through the fire for a week or so. Those stints of suck will make you stronger on the other side. Adversity will harden your resolve. Forewarned is foreskinned.
One thing is missing though, and maybe you've addressed it elsewhere and ol LOOT just missed it. Are you an addict? To LOOT, that's one of the biggest hurdles anyone of us has to cross. Have you admitted it to yourself? To KTC? If so, please, humor LOOT and do it again.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
Because it's a mindset. I QLF EDD. I post my committment in 6 different threads (exposing my name and word to hundreds of people) EDD. I'm nothing if I'm not vain, I don't like to look bad, and I've put myself in a position that I'll look really bad if I cave.
When I set my mind to something, I do it. In the past, I've never truly set my mind to my quit effort, it was always the stupid, "oh, I can handle this and quit whenever I want." I know that's bullshit now, which is why I'm here, which is why I came here even after I had managed to quit and stay quit for the first 8 days. I knew that it was only a matter of time that "nobody will ever know" would rear its ugly head and so I desperately searched for a group to help me stay true to my word.
This time, it IS different, and those aren't just words.. Those are honest to god actions, me being on this site, me giving my number to literally a dozen random people to text and call me and for me text and call them. These are not the normal actions of Sapper, trust me. I'm making committed, purposeful changes in my behavior, so it is in fact different this time.
I'm glad I found this site when I did, because had I not, I'd have caved by now, I know it. Now, I can't cave, because well, I just can't face all these people and say, I gave up on myself even when you didn't.
But, all I can offer you Loot is my word, and that word 2 weeks ago meant shit, because that word was dripping in dip spit, but the word I offer you now, the one that I have always held as sacred, is clean, with fresh minty toothpaste and no nicotine anywhere in it, because that has not been a part of my life now for the last 15 days and by god it never will be again.
You paid attention to the advice you were given. You built yourself a plan. You built the accountability. You drank the kool aid even if we drug you to the trough kicking and screaming. Now, we'll just build your quit house brick by brick, day by day, until you are a nic bitch slaying, no bullshit taking, addict speak identifying, monster of a quit beast.
No doubt you'll be fine, but your addiction is not done with you by a long damned shot. Day 30. Day 80. Day 125. Day 250. Day 400. Day 700. Those are the approximate times you will walk through the fire for a week or so. Those stints of suck will make you stronger on the other side. Adversity will harden your resolve. Forewarned is foreskinned.
One thing is missing though, and maybe you've addressed it elsewhere and ol LOOT just missed it. Are you an addict? To LOOT, that's one of the biggest hurdles anyone of us has to cross. Have you admitted it to yourself? To KTC? If so, please, humor LOOT and do it again.
Yes, I'm an addict. I've no problem admitting that.
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
Because it's a mindset. I QLF EDD. I post my committment in 6 different threads (exposing my name and word to hundreds of people) EDD. I'm nothing if I'm not vain, I don't like to look bad, and I've put myself in a position that I'll look really bad if I cave.
When I set my mind to something, I do it. In the past, I've never truly set my mind to my quit effort, it was always the stupid, "oh, I can handle this and quit whenever I want." I know that's bullshit now, which is why I'm here, which is why I came here even after I had managed to quit and stay quit for the first 8 days. I knew that it was only a matter of time that "nobody will ever know" would rear its ugly head and so I desperately searched for a group to help me stay true to my word.
This time, it IS different, and those aren't just words.. Those are honest to god actions, me being on this site, me giving my number to literally a dozen random people to text and call me and for me text and call them. These are not the normal actions of Sapper, trust me. I'm making committed, purposeful changes in my behavior, so it is in fact different this time.
I'm glad I found this site when I did, because had I not, I'd have caved by now, I know it. Now, I can't cave, because well, I just can't face all these people and say, I gave up on myself even when you didn't.
But, all I can offer you Loot is my word, and that word 2 weeks ago meant shit, because that word was dripping in dip spit, but the word I offer you now, the one that I have always held as sacred, is clean, with fresh minty toothpaste and no nicotine anywhere in it, because that has not been a part of my life now for the last 15 days and by god it never will be again.
You paid attention to the advice you were given. You built yourself a plan. You built the accountability. You drank the kool aid even if we drug you to the trough kicking and screaming. Now, we'll just build your quit house brick by brick, day by day, until you are a nic bitch slaying, no bullshit taking, addict speak identifying, monster of a quit beast.
No doubt you'll be fine, but your addiction is not done with you by a long damned shot. Day 30. Day 80. Day 125. Day 250. Day 400. Day 700. Those are the approximate times you will walk through the fire for a week or so. Those stints of suck will make you stronger on the other side. Adversity will harden your resolve. Forewarned is foreskinned.
One thing is missing though, and maybe you've addressed it elsewhere and ol LOOT just missed it. Are you an addict? To LOOT, that's one of the biggest hurdles anyone of us has to cross. Have you admitted it to yourself? To KTC? If so, please, humor LOOT and do it again.
Yes, I'm an addict. I've no problem admitting that.
Sapper, my friend just do it one day at a time.
An honor to be in May with you!
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Thanks everybody.
I would ask for a little help here. I've gone and made myself all accountable to a bunch of you alls, but now I can't remember who all I've made myself accountable to. I decided to keep the links to all the places I have to update in my signature so I can click on them easily.
Please, if you've invited me to post in your quit group for my accountability, and you don't see that I've put it in my signature, first understand it ain't personal, I just don't remember, and second, give me a little reminder so I can add it into my signature.
Thanks to all.
May 11 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4289)
Yep, I remember you inviting, but I forgot you in my signature... not sure if I posted there today yet, so I'll check on that.
Thanks!
Snapper...it is good to see you work the system. Just make sure you understand what you've done. Accountability is what you seek...accountability is what you've built. You've done it with some of the titans of this site. A lot of people are investing their time and energy in YOUR quit. Please don't take that investment for granted. And don't squander the opportunity with another spelunking expedition. You do and you will be shunned Amish style. We may even send our own KTC mafia contingent to drive home our disappointment.
Never again, for any reason.
No caving for me... it isn't even an option.
And just how can you be so sure? How do you know you've closed the door?
Because it's a mindset. I QLF EDD. I post my committment in 6 different threads (exposing my name and word to hundreds of people) EDD. I'm nothing if I'm not vain, I don't like to look bad, and I've put myself in a position that I'll look really bad if I cave.
When I set my mind to something, I do it. In the past, I've never truly set my mind to my quit effort, it was always the stupid, "oh, I can handle this and quit whenever I want." I know that's bullshit now, which is why I'm here, which is why I came here even after I had managed to quit and stay quit for the first 8 days. I knew that it was only a matter of time that "nobody will ever know" would rear its ugly head and so I desperately searched for a group to help me stay true to my word.
This time, it IS different, and those aren't just words.. Those are honest to god actions, me being on this site, me giving my number to literally a dozen random people to text and call me and for me text and call them. These are not the normal actions of Sapper, trust me. I'm making committed, purposeful changes in my behavior, so it is in fact different this time.
I'm glad I found this site when I did, because had I not, I'd have caved by now, I know it. Now, I can't cave, because well, I just can't face all these people and say, I gave up on myself even when you didn't.
But, all I can offer you Loot is my word, and that word 2 weeks ago meant shit, because that word was dripping in dip spit, but the word I offer you now, the one that I have always held as sacred, is clean, with fresh minty toothpaste and no nicotine anywhere in it, because that has not been a part of my life now for the last 15 days and by god it never will be again.
You paid attention to the advice you were given. You built yourself a plan. You built the accountability. You drank the kool aid even if we drug you to the trough kicking and screaming. Now, we'll just build your quit house brick by brick, day by day, until you are a nic bitch slaying, no bullshit taking, addict speak identifying, monster of a quit beast.
No doubt you'll be fine, but your addiction is not done with you by a long damned shot. Day 30. Day 80. Day 125. Day 250. Day 400. Day 700. Those are the approximate times you will walk through the fire for a week or so. Those stints of suck will make you stronger on the other side. Adversity will harden your resolve. Forewarned is foreskinned.
One thing is missing though, and maybe you've addressed it elsewhere and ol LOOT just missed it. Are you an addict? To LOOT, that's one of the biggest hurdles anyone of us has to cross. Have you admitted it to yourself? To KTC? If so, please, humor LOOT and do it again.
Yes, I'm an addict. I've no problem admitting that.
Sapper, my friend just do it one day at a time.
An honor to be in May with you!
The quit is strong. Proud to be clean with you today Snapper.
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The quit is strong. Proud to be clean with you today Snapper.[\quote]
And I with you.
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Sapper, I had my doubts, but you are just head strong enough to kill the Nic bitch. I'm glad you are quit and can't wait to see you through to the HOF. keep going strong and please watch for the sneak attacks from that whore.
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Thanks Mogul, but you should never doubt a sapper... Essayons.
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Excuse me while I wax philosophical for a few minutes.
Growing up I was taught not to use tobacco. Neither of my parents used it. My father's parents smoked, but my parents made a point of telling my sister and me abouot the dangers of tobacco from an early age. So, the fact is that I had no excuse. I chose to take that first dip with my buddies at the old water tower overlooking the Olson's farm, then the second dip at the rope swing over Horse Creek (where I got extremely sick because I swallowed some). Even though I didn't get hooked those times, it planted a seed in my brain, and years later in college when another buddy passed me a lit cigarette, I didn't hesitate to take a puff. Shortly thereafter it became smoking and dipping through long study nights and ultimately smoking gave way to my preference of chewing tobacco.
We all know the rest of the story, but I wanted to make a point. The thing about it is that we are good people. Most of us here are the kind of people that society looks up to and holds in high regard. We're family men and women with a deep love of country and committment to our work. Most of us would die for the guy in the trenches next to us, and some of our brethren have as we're all aware. Whether it be in the trenches of warfare or the trenches of corporate America, we're the types that stand up, take charge, and lead others to victory. This isn't an exaggeration. I think that leaders like this are naturally risk takers, but that personality trait that makes us upstanding leaders in society has a downside, it means that we're risk takers with our health too.
However, there is a shimmering and brilliant silver lining to the risk taking behavior that leads us to jump into the fire and save lives, assault machine gun nests and sieze the objective, and pitch the winning presentation to the big client. This also means we're the type of people to jump onto an internet forum and start helping out total strangers overcome a deadly and horrible addiction. We rely on our strength to help others to help ourselves. This is why this site works. It motivates good people to be their best. It awakens the leaders inside us to lead others to victory and in the process we find it ourselves.
Thanks KTC, Day 16, EDD.
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I'm going to need a longer signature field....
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Excuse me while I wax philosophical for a few minutes.
Growing up I was taught not to use tobacco. Neither of my parents used it. My father's parents smoked, but my parents made a point of telling my sister and me abouot the dangers of tobacco from an early age. So, the fact is that I had no excuse. I chose to take that first dip with my buddies at the old water tower overlooking the Olson's farm, then the second dip at the rope swing over Horse Creek (where I got extremely sick because I swallowed some). Even though I didn't get hooked those times, it planted a seed in my brain, and years later in college when another buddy passed me a lit cigarette, I didn't hesitate to take a puff. Shortly thereafter it became smoking and dipping through long study nights and ultimately smoking gave way to my preference of chewing tobacco.
We all know the rest of the story, but I wanted to make a point. The thing about it is that we are good people. Most of us here are the kind of people that society looks up to and holds in high regard. We're family men and women with a deep love of country and committment to our work. Most of us would die for the guy in the trenches next to us, and some of our brethren have as we're all aware. Whether it be in the trenches of warfare or the trenches of corporate America, we're the types that stand up, take charge, and lead others to victory. This isn't an exaggeration. I think that leaders like this are naturally risk takers, but that personality trait that makes us upstanding leaders in society has a downside, it means that we're risk takers with our health too.
However, there is a shimmering and brilliant silver lining to the risk taking behavior that leads us to jump into the fire and save lives, assault machine gun nests and sieze the objective, and pitch the winning presentation to the big client. This also means we're the type of people to jump onto an internet forum and start helping out total strangers overcome a deadly and horrible addiction. We rely on our strength to help others to help ourselves. This is why this site works. It motivates good people to be their best. It awakens the leaders inside us to lead others to victory and in the process we find it ourselves.
Thanks KTC, Day 16, EDD.
Nice post Sapper. So many of us come from similar back-stories, young athletes in high school, hunting and fishing with elders, late night college studies...... it's a big part of what works here. You don't have to spend a ton of time reading here starting out to find "your" story somewhere in another quitter. Armed with that information, we can tell ourselves that if they quit for 1 day, 100 days, 1,000 or more....than maybe we can too.
Nice to see when a new quitter starts to click with the program. Keep up the good work Sapper, 16 days is awesome! If you need anything just shoot me a message, proud to quit with you today.
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Excuse me while I wax philosophical for a few minutes.
Growing up I was taught not to use tobacco. Neither of my parents used it. My father's parents smoked, but my parents made a point of telling my sister and me abouot the dangers of tobacco from an early age. So, the fact is that I had no excuse. I chose to take that first dip with my buddies at the old water tower overlooking the Olson's farm, then the second dip at the rope swing over Horse Creek (where I got extremely sick because I swallowed some). Even though I didn't get hooked those times, it planted a seed in my brain, and years later in college when another buddy passed me a lit cigarette, I didn't hesitate to take a puff. Shortly thereafter it became smoking and dipping through long study nights and ultimately smoking gave way to my preference of chewing tobacco.
We all know the rest of the story, but I wanted to make a point. The thing about it is that we are good people. Most of us here are the kind of people that society looks up to and holds in high regard. We're family men and women with a deep love of country and committment to our work. Most of us would die for the guy in the trenches next to us, and some of our brethren have as we're all aware. Whether it be in the trenches of warfare or the trenches of corporate America, we're the types that stand up, take charge, and lead others to victory. This isn't an exaggeration. I think that leaders like this are naturally risk takers, but that personality trait that makes us upstanding leaders in society has a downside, it means that we're risk takers with our health too.Â
However, there is a shimmering and brilliant silver lining to the risk taking behavior that leads us to jump into the fire and save lives, assault machine gun nests and sieze the objective, and pitch the winning presentation to the big client. This also means we're the type of people to jump onto an internet forum and start helping out total strangers overcome a deadly and horrible addiction. We rely on our strength to help others to help ourselves. This is why this site works. It motivates good people to be their best. It awakens the leaders inside us to lead others to victory and in the process we find it ourselves.
Thanks KTC, Day 16, EDD.
Nice post Sapper. So many of us come from similar back-stories, young athletes in high school, hunting and fishing with elders, late night college studies...... it's a big part of what works here. You don't have to spend a ton of time reading here starting out to find "your" story somewhere in another quitter. Armed with that information, we can tell ourselves that if they quit for 1 day, 100 days, 1,000 or more....than maybe we can too.
Nice to see when a new quitter starts to click with the program. Keep up the good work Sapper, 16 days is awesome! If you need anything just shoot me a message, proud to quit with you today.
Nice. I like how your taking this quit Sapper. Congrats on 16 days and some really good momentum. Keep building your network for accountability and support, and keep learning all you can about this nasty addiction. Proud to quit with you!
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Excuse me while I wax philosophical for a few minutes.
Growing up I was taught not to use tobacco. Neither of my parents used it. My father's parents smoked, but my parents made a point of telling my sister and me abouot the dangers of tobacco from an early age. So, the fact is that I had no excuse. I chose to take that first dip with my buddies at the old water tower overlooking the Olson's farm, then the second dip at the rope swing over Horse Creek (where I got extremely sick because I swallowed some). Even though I didn't get hooked those times, it planted a seed in my brain, and years later in college when another buddy passed me a lit cigarette, I didn't hesitate to take a puff. Shortly thereafter it became smoking and dipping through long study nights and ultimately smoking gave way to my preference of chewing tobacco.
We all know the rest of the story, but I wanted to make a point. The thing about it is that we are good people. Most of us here are the kind of people that society looks up to and holds in high regard. We're family men and women with a deep love of country and committment to our work. Most of us would die for the guy in the trenches next to us, and some of our brethren have as we're all aware. Whether it be in the trenches of warfare or the trenches of corporate America, we're the types that stand up, take charge, and lead others to victory. This isn't an exaggeration. I think that leaders like this are naturally risk takers, but that personality trait that makes us upstanding leaders in society has a downside, it means that we're risk takers with our health too.Â
However, there is a shimmering and brilliant silver lining to the risk taking behavior that leads us to jump into the fire and save lives, assault machine gun nests and sieze the objective, and pitch the winning presentation to the big client. This also means we're the type of people to jump onto an internet forum and start helping out total strangers overcome a deadly and horrible addiction. We rely on our strength to help others to help ourselves. This is why this site works. It motivates good people to be their best. It awakens the leaders inside us to lead others to victory and in the process we find it ourselves.
Thanks KTC, Day 16, EDD.
Nice post Sapper. So many of us come from similar back-stories, young athletes in high school, hunting and fishing with elders, late night college studies...... it's a big part of what works here. You don't have to spend a ton of time reading here starting out to find "your" story somewhere in another quitter. Armed with that information, we can tell ourselves that if they quit for 1 day, 100 days, 1,000 or more....than maybe we can too.
Nice to see when a new quitter starts to click with the program. Keep up the good work Sapper, 16 days is awesome! If you need anything just shoot me a message, proud to quit with you today.
Nice. I like how your taking this quit Sapper. Congrats on 16 days and some really good momentum. Keep building your network for accountability and support, and keep learning all you can about this nasty addiction. Proud to quit with you!
Sapper, you can get as philosophical as you want and I'll read your shit all day long....as long as you stay quit.
Quit right along side ya.
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Yesterday I finally wrote the words "I'm proud to be quit with you today" on another May member's introduction thread. It was the first time I could write that, I had no problem saying I quit, or I quit with so and so, but I couldn't yet bring myself to say "I'm proud to be quit". Even though I had quit, I still didn't see myself as "being quit" until yesterday.
What is the difference? To quit is a one time action. You simply quit. There is a singular point in time when that action occurs, and it can only occur once. You can't quit and then do again, because if you do again, you didn't quit.
But to "be quit" is more than just executing a one time action of quitting. To "be quit" is an ongoing active process that doesn't just happen once. It is the act of making that one time action of quitting every single day, and even every single second of each and every day. To "be quit" is to quit in perpetuity, thereby eliminating the very opportunity of ever doing again.
So, I am proud to be quit with all of you today.
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Day 27... the past week sucked. I was moody, angry, easily annoyed, grumpy, and depressed. I raged again online, which is better than at my family or coworkers, but still makes me feel like a real idiot afterwards, like I'm out of control of myself, which sucks because I try to be levelheaded, and usually am... I have to relearn how to cope with stress, but I'm working on it.
I did some self reflection and I think I know why I was so worked up, besides being an addict, I mean, it's because of the fact that this weekend is my Army Reserve duty weekend, the first one since I quit. I've never done any military duty nicotine free, until today. I was worried about it, and also had to do my health assessment and height / weight (and after quitting, I've put on a few pounds).
Anyway, health assessment went well. My blood pressure is perfect (first time that's been the case in a few years) the nurse practicioner who did my checkup was proud of me for quitting and gave me a bunch of advice for dealing with the recovery (much of which can be found at KTC) but still its nice to here it again. When I had to fill out the questionaire, it asked "do you chew tobacco" and I was just so excited when I answered "no" for the first time in my life on a military health screening form.
I also am still not too fat for the Army (but I'm gonna have to work hard, because I'm getting close...)
So, today I feel like a total fucking warrior. I'm solid. I'm quit, I'm healthy, and I'm not too fat. I'm on top of the world and I'm winning.
This is a good feeling.
Thanks KTC
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Day 27... the past week sucked. I was moody, angry, easily annoyed, grumpy, and depressed. I raged again online, which is better than at my family or coworkers, but still makes me feel like a real idiot afterwards, like I'm out of control of myself, which sucks because I try to be levelheaded, and usually am... I have to relearn how to cope with stress, but I'm working on it.
I did some self reflection and I think I know why I was so worked up, besides being an addict, I mean, it's because of the fact that this weekend is my Army Reserve duty weekend, the first one since I quit. I've never done any military duty nicotine free, until today. I was worried about it, and also had to do my health assessment and height / weight (and after quitting, I've put on a few pounds).
Anyway, health assessment went well. My blood pressure is perfect (first time that's been the case in a few years) the nurse practicioner who did my checkup was proud of me for quitting and gave me a bunch of advice for dealing with the recovery (much of which can be found at KTC) but still its nice to here it again. When I had to fill out the questionaire, it asked "do you chew tobacco" and I was just so excited when I answered "no" for the first time in my life on a military health screening form.
I also am still not too fat for the Army (but I'm gonna have to work hard, because I'm getting close...)
So, today I feel like a total fucking warrior. I'm solid. I'm quit, I'm healthy, and I'm not too fat. I'm on top of the world and I'm winning.
This is a good feeling.
Thanks KTC
Nice.
Rock on bro...
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Day 27... the past week sucked. I was moody, angry, easily annoyed, grumpy, and depressed. I raged again online, which is better than at my family or coworkers, but still makes me feel like a real idiot afterwards, like I'm out of control of myself, which sucks because I try to be levelheaded, and usually am... I have to relearn how to cope with stress, but I'm working on it.
I did some self reflection and I think I know why I was so worked up, besides being an addict, I mean, it's because of the fact that this weekend is my Army Reserve duty weekend, the first one since I quit. I've never done any military duty nicotine free, until today. I was worried about it, and also had to do my health assessment and height / weight (and after quitting, I've put on a few pounds).
Anyway, health assessment went well. My blood pressure is perfect (first time that's been the case in a few years) the nurse practicioner who did my checkup was proud of me for quitting and gave me a bunch of advice for dealing with the recovery (much of which can be found at KTC) but still its nice to here it again. When I had to fill out the questionaire, it asked "do you chew tobacco" and I was just so excited when I answered "no" for the first time in my life on a military health screening form.
I also am still not too fat for the Army (but I'm gonna have to work hard, because I'm getting close...)
So, today I feel like a total fucking warrior. I'm solid. I'm quit, I'm healthy, and I'm not too fat. I'm on top of the world and I'm winning.
This is a good feeling.
Thanks KTC
Nice.
Rock on bro...
Nice update Sapper. Enjoy your drill weekend!
You raged on here this past week... that is how you do it. You are gonna have periods where you are a bit sideways and out of control. That is normal stuff. You are reprogramming here after years of abuse to your body.
You will always have ups and downs. That is life. You have reached a point where YOU KNOW you are acting off. That is good. Things will continue to get better, but don't rush it. You will not be fixed overnight. For now, relax, stay calm and just stay quit EDD. That is the priority. All other stuff will fall into place, but you must take care of TODAY.
Quit on!
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It's a strange (but great!) feeling to do things without the dip! You've got this one.
mb289
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That is how we quit people. Sapper is one quit dude.
Hey man, you can come here anytime and call me every name in the book. It's not personal. I've done the same, where I think everybody is an idiot. Except me of course. We all know better. Read Slugs avatar, it says it all.
Rage bro, but stay quit. You're kicking ass
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About 5k days of your life you were using this highly addictive and repulsive substance that tricks your mind into thinking that it needs this substance to survive. I would say at day 27 you are just right where you need to be. You are recognizing that things are amiss yet still not quite sure how to change at this point. There is no easy way out of this. One day at a time is the best way to unfuck your mind at this point. You know what, come here and rage all you want. We can take it.
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So, in the field this weekend doing a training event in preparation of a bigger training even later this summer.
I'm sitting in the TOC, first time I've been in the field without nicotine coursing through my veins, mind you. Battalion XO walks in and pulls out his can, packs it, puts a pinch in and then begins talking to the assembled battalion staff. I'm a visitor on this mission, I'm actually assigned to the Brigade, but augmenting the battalion staff for this exercise. So the XO goes through his spiel, but I can't listen to a word he's saying. All I can do is not be nauseated by the smell of his dip. The TOC in this case is an expandable, modular, kevlar clad trailer, and while there is a heater/AC wall unit for temp control, it's basically a poorly ventilated 20' x 20' box.
My head was swimming it was so freaking overpowering, the smell of his berry blend, or apple, or whatever the fuck the flavor was. I was always a Skoal Straight guy, those fruity flavors never sat well with me even when I was using it, but now, my god, I wanted to fucking puke. I've never in my life been so overpowered with a sense of nausea simply from the smell of somebody else's dip.
After he stopped talking and I stepped outside to get some fresh air and clear my head, I thought to myself that for years, people have smelled similar scents on me, and I never realized just how pungent it was. It's amazing that I was so blinded by my addiction that the putrid smell of chewing tobacco didn't even bother me, and I had the nerve to believe that it didn't bother people I was talking to.
I've never felt more foolish than I did after sitting in the TOC with the BN XO briefing the group with a dip in and subjecting everybody to that horrid fucking nasty smell.
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Hey Sapper, another great reason to stay quit! Interesting thing is, I lost my sense of smell a year ago after sinus surgery and always wondered how bad the smell was after a day of dipping.
mb289
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So, in the field this weekend doing a training event in preparation of a bigger training even later this summer.
I'm sitting in the TOC, first time I've been in the field without nicotine coursing through my veins, mind you. Battalion XO walks in and pulls out his can, packs it, puts a pinch in and then begins talking to the assembled battalion staff. I'm a visitor on this mission, I'm actually assigned to the Brigade, but augmenting the battalion staff for this exercise. So the XO goes through his spiel, but I can't listen to a word he's saying. All I can do is not be nauseated by the smell of his dip. The TOC in this case is an expandable, modular, kevlar clad trailer, and while there is a heater/AC wall unit for temp control, it's basically a poorly ventilated 20' x 20' box.
My head was swimming it was so freaking overpowering, the smell of his berry blend, or apple, or whatever the fuck the flavor was. I was always a Skoal Straight guy, those fruity flavors never sat well with me even when I was using it, but now, my god, I wanted to fucking puke. I've never in my life been so overpowered with a sense of nausea simply from the smell of somebody else's dip.
After he stopped talking and I stepped outside to get some fresh air and clear my head, I thought to myself that for years, people have smelled similar scents on me, and I never realized just how pungent it was. It's amazing that I was so blinded by my addiction that the putrid smell of chewing tobacco didn't even bother me, and I had the nerve to believe that it didn't bother people I was talking to.
I've never felt more foolish than I did after sitting in the TOC with the BN XO briefing the group with a dip in and subjecting everybody to that horrid fucking nasty smell.
I had a guy dipping in the bar last night. I asked when he would quit and everyone (coworkers patrons) jumped on me. Saying he deserved it because he was divorced. I just told them all to pipe down and that I was just asking when. He said that he'd quit when he met a nice girl. I just let it slide.
Smelled terrible and the jerk just left it on the bar for me to clean up. What a twat.
tl;dr- Any dip smells atrocious now.
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I have this one recurring dream where I'm in this weird race on a long winding pipe that is a couple hundred feet above the city streets below and it winds around the tips of the high rise buildings. There are faceless people looking out of the windows watching the race. Sometimes they try to make it more difficult by putting obstacles on the pipes, sometimes they help out by giving you a shortcut through their apartment to the pipe on the other side which may catapult you ahead of the rest of the racers or might be a trick and send you to the very back. The race is me against an endless supply of other people who are all basically clones of me. What you do is you crawl, walk, straddle, hang on to the bottom of the pipe etc and try to get to the front. If you pass somebody you push them off the pipe, and if they are lucky they keeping holding on to the pipe and dangle there. If they are unlucky, they fall to the streets below. So as you progress along the race, the pipe becomes narrower, rickety, broken in some spots, and generally more treacherous. The dreams all go through the same cycle. I start the race and I'm cruising along with no issues, it's actually kind of fun, I'm bumping people off, they dangle, nobody gets hurt and everybody laughs. They climb back on and we all keep going. Then it starts going to a dark place, people aren't just dangling anymore, a guy ahead of me gets bumped and falls to his death. The faceless people in the windows laugh and cheer. I get bumped and dangle and almost fall but climb back on and the faceless people boo and try to knock me off with broomsticks and throw things at me. After a while the race isn't just dangerous and dark, it's pure hell. The pipes are so narrow the only way to keep going is by dangling underneath and going forward one hand in front of the orher. The pipe is do broken and rusty that your hands are a bloody mess, but you can't let go. The faceless people in the windows shout obscenities and try to knife you as you go by or sometimes just shoot at you. There are very few people in the race now, and they are the only people you can trust, all the other racers and you have agreed to no longer bump others out of the way, winning is finishing now, not coming in first.
The dream ends with me seeing the finish line and all the pain and torture of the pipe race being over right as my fingers finally give way and I start falling to the streets, no more than 10' from the end. On one occasion as I fell, a fellow racer grabbed me and saved me from death, all other times, I woke up right as I started slipping off the pipe, so I don't know if I would have been saved or not, but I wasn't as of the moment I awoke.
So, how fucked up is that one? I think it's gotta be about the worst dream there is.
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I have this one recurring dream where I'm in this weird race on a long winding pipe that is a couple hundred feet above the city streets below and it winds around the tips of the high rise buildings. There are faceless people looking out of the windows watching the race. Sometimes they try to make it more difficult by putting obstacles on the pipes, sometimes they help out by giving you a shortcut through their apartment to the pipe on the other side which may catapult you ahead of the rest of the racers or might be a trick and send you to the very back. The race is me against an endless supply of other people who are all basically clones of me. What you do is you crawl, walk, straddle, hang on to the bottom of the pipe etc and try to get to the front. If you pass somebody you push them off the pipe, and if they are lucky they keeping holding on to the pipe and dangle there. If they are unlucky, they fall to the streets below. So as you progress along the race, the pipe becomes narrower, rickety, broken in some spots, and generally more treacherous. The dreams all go through the same cycle. I start the race and I'm cruising along with no issues, it's actually kind of fun, I'm bumping people off, they dangle, nobody gets hurt and everybody laughs. They climb back on and we all keep going. Then it starts going to a dark place, people aren't just dangling anymore, a guy ahead of me gets bumped and falls to his death. The faceless people in the windows laugh and cheer. I get bumped and dangle and almost fall but climb back on and the faceless people boo and try to knock me off with broomsticks and throw things at me. After a while the race isn't just dangerous and dark, it's pure hell. The pipes are so narrow the only way to keep going is by dangling underneath and going forward one hand in front of the orher. The pipe is do broken and rusty that your hands are a bloody mess, but you can't let go. The faceless people in the windows shout obscenities and try to knife you as you go by or sometimes just shoot at you. There are very few people in the race now, and they are the only people you can trust, all the other racers and you have agreed to no longer bump others out of the way, winning is finishing now, not coming in first.
The dream ends with me seeing the finish line and all the pain and torture of the pipe race being over right as my fingers finally give way and I start falling to the streets, no more than 10' from the end. On one occasion as I fell, a fellow racer grabbed me and saved me from death, all other times, I woke up right as I started slipping off the pipe, so I don't know if I would have been saved or not, but I wasn't as of the moment I awoke.
So, how fucked up is that one? I think it's gotta be about the worst dream there is.
dude, I don't know if I would ever sleep again.
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I have this one recurring dream where I'm in this weird race on a long winding pipe that is a couple hundred feet above the city streets below and it winds around the tips of the high rise buildings. There are faceless people looking out of the windows watching the race. Sometimes they try to make it more difficult by putting obstacles on the pipes, sometimes they help out by giving you a shortcut through their apartment to the pipe on the other side which may catapult you ahead of the rest of the racers or might be a trick and send you to the very back. The race is me against an endless supply of other people who are all basically clones of me. What you do is you crawl, walk, straddle, hang on to the bottom of the pipe etc and try to get to the front. If you pass somebody you push them off the pipe, and if they are lucky they keeping holding on to the pipe and dangle there. If they are unlucky, they fall to the streets below. So as you progress along the race, the pipe becomes narrower, rickety, broken in some spots, and generally more treacherous. The dreams all go through the same cycle. I start the race and I'm cruising along with no issues, it's actually kind of fun, I'm bumping people off, they dangle, nobody gets hurt and everybody laughs. They climb back on and we all keep going. Then it starts going to a dark place, people aren't just dangling anymore, a guy ahead of me gets bumped and falls to his death. The faceless people in the windows laugh and cheer. I get bumped and dangle and almost fall but climb back on and the faceless people boo and try to knock me off with broomsticks and throw things at me. After a while the race isn't just dangerous and dark, it's pure hell. The pipes are so narrow the only way to keep going is by dangling underneath and going forward one hand in front of the orher. The pipe is do broken and rusty that your hands are a bloody mess, but you can't let go. The faceless people in the windows shout obscenities and try to knife you as you go by or sometimes just shoot at you. There are very few people in the race now, and they are the only people you can trust, all the other racers and you have agreed to no longer bump others out of the way, winning is finishing now, not coming in first.
The dream ends with me seeing the finish line and all the pain and torture of the pipe race being over right as my fingers finally give way and I start falling to the streets, no more than 10' from the end. On one occasion as I fell, a fellow racer grabbed me and saved me from death, all other times, I woke up right as I started slipping off the pipe, so I don't know if I would have been saved or not, but I wasn't as of the moment I awoke.
So, how fucked up is that one? I think it's gotta be about the worst dream there is.
dude, I don't know if I would ever sleep again.
IMO u r describing ur quit its a struggle. There are people who want to see u fall there are people who help and the one who grabbed u at the end is KTC. There are other things present but it sounds like a persons quit.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
Great news, Sap -- glad to hear it went well, even if it came up somewhat awkwardly. Sounds like a meaningful weight off the shoulders; very happy for you. See you on roll in the AM.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
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Thanks everybody, it really does feel better. I mean, I deep down knew that she knew, how many cans does she need to find in my coat pocket or in the trash can before she's just wondering what kind of lying sack of shit she's married to.
Anyway, the boost in self worth and confidence I got from her smiling at me and telling me that she was proud of me made me feel good. But it also made me feel like an ass for not trusting her in the first place.
Oh well, onward and upward, self improvement at every stage of this journey.
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Thanks everybody, it really does feel better. I mean, I deep down knew that she knew, how many cans does she need to find in my coat pocket or in the trash can before she's just wondering what kind of lying sack of shit she's married to.
Anyway, the boost in self worth and confidence I got from her smiling at me and telling me that she was proud of me made me feel good. But it also made me feel like an ass for not trusting her in the first place.
Oh well, onward and upward, self improvement at every stage of this journey.
That's awesome Sapper.
I have made it part of my quit strategy to tell everyone since I was so good at hiding the chewing. I figure the more people that know I'm quit the more accountable I am.
Proud to quit with you. Go snowflakes!
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
Awesome story, I didn't have to bring it up. I hid it as well and my fiancee said, "Your breath is different... What is different?" I chewed gum before coming home after my car ride dip home, I brushed after every dip I took and she still could smell it. Told her I had been dipping and just wasn't doing it around her, She launched in that she knew the whole time but knew I would have to quit it for myself.
Congrats on another quit milestone.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
Awesome story, I didn't have to bring it up. I hid it as well and my fiancee said, "Your breath is different... What is different?" I chewed gum before coming home after my car ride dip home, I brushed after every dip I took and she still could smell it. Told her I had been dipping and just wasn't doing it around her, She launched in that she knew the whole time but knew I would have to quit it for myself.
Congrats on another quit milestone.
Yep, we were a bunch of idiots thinking we were all sly and getting away with it. Dip stinks! I never knew how bad till I finally stopped. Now I can smell it from a mile away!
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
Awesome story, I didn't have to bring it up. I hid it as well and my fiancee said, "Your breath is different... What is different?" I chewed gum before coming home after my car ride dip home, I brushed after every dip I took and she still could smell it. Told her I had been dipping and just wasn't doing it around her, She launched in that she knew the whole time but knew I would have to quit it for myself.
Congrats on another quit milestone.
Yep, we were a bunch of idiots thinking we were all sly and getting away with it. Dip stinks! I never knew how bad till I finally stopped. Now I can smell it from a mile away!
Nice job Sapper! I bet that is a relief to know she is onboard. Often the people we love surprise us. Sounds like she will be a great support for you. Now you owe it to her to stay quit today. Layers of accountability!
ODAAT brother! Quit with you today.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
Awesome story, I didn't have to bring it up. I hid it as well and my fiancee said, "Your breath is different... What is different?" I chewed gum before coming home after my car ride dip home, I brushed after every dip I took and she still could smell it. Told her I had been dipping and just wasn't doing it around her, She launched in that she knew the whole time but knew I would have to quit it for myself.
Congrats on another quit milestone.
Yep, we were a bunch of idiots thinking we were all sly and getting away with it. Dip stinks! I never knew how bad till I finally stopped. Now I can smell it from a mile away!
Nice job Sapper! I bet that is a relief to know she is onboard. Often the people we love surprise us. Sounds like she will be a great support for you. Now you owe it to her to stay quit today. Layers of accountability!
ODAAT brother! Quit with you today.
I had to confess so many times over the years to my wife - does it count as a confession when you both know it's as obvious as a sign on your forehead? I'm excited that we are both building trust back with our wives - I'll never lie to her again(hopefully). Definitely not about dip.
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I finally had the conversation with my wife about my addiction and my quit and this website. I apologized and showed her the long list of support texts that I've gotten from KTC. I was expecting her to be disgusted and hurt. She wasn't. She was proud of me. She told me that she knew I was addicted to tobacco for years but knew I'd quit in my own time, that she couldn't force me to. I guess she knew that story from watching her dad die from lung cancer. She was really happy to know that I am taking it seriously and involved in an online accountability group.
How did this conversation final come up? I got a text at 11:30 at night from a fellow quitter and she asked who was texting me at that time. I didn't know what to say so I just told her the truth.
That's awesome Sapper. Coming clean and now having her support is going to make you an even more formidable quitter. Congrats.
The wife kick's ass. Cool post.
Excellent. Now no more lying. You are truly free. Everything will be better.
Man, that must feel like a thousand pounds has been lifted off your chest. Feels amazing, doesn't it? I told my wife on Christmas that I was 2 weeks quit and showed her the website as I posted roll that morning. She said it was the best present I could have given her. Now that you've come clean to her, brag about your quit to her. Tell her your number. Celebrate it. Don't matter if the number is 10, 50, or 100; each day is as important is the day before. Amp her up and get her on your ass about this quit so that your accountability to her is as paramount as it is to you and all of us. Awesome job Sapper, lets get today's +1.
Yep my wife is my biggest fan and I "hid" it from her for years. At least I thought I was. Thanks for sharing that and like steakbomb said, a huge weight is now lifted off. Your quit just gets better and better.
Awesome story, I didn't have to bring it up. I hid it as well and my fiancee said, "Your breath is different... What is different?" I chewed gum before coming home after my car ride dip home, I brushed after every dip I took and she still could smell it. Told her I had been dipping and just wasn't doing it around her, She launched in that she knew the whole time but knew I would have to quit it for myself.
Congrats on another quit milestone.
Yep, we were a bunch of idiots thinking we were all sly and getting away with it. Dip stinks! I never knew how bad till I finally stopped. Now I can smell it from a mile away!
Nice job Sapper! I bet that is a relief to know she is onboard. Often the people we love surprise us. Sounds like she will be a great support for you. Now you owe it to her to stay quit today. Layers of accountability!
ODAAT brother! Quit with you today.
I had to confess so many times over the years to my wife - does it count as a confession when you both know it's as obvious as a sign on your forehead? I'm excited that we are both building trust back with our wives - I'll never lie to her again(hopefully). Definitely not about dip.
I remember this weighing on you early on in your quit. Glad you got out from under it. You've added another layer of accountability to your quit! Glad for you.
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
Mine lately have been that I've forgotton to post roll.....
Cave dreams suck for me at least, these are the most vivid dreams that I have really the only ones that I can remember when I wake up....
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
Mine lately have been that I've forgotton to post roll.....
Cave dreams suck for me at least, these are the most vivid dreams that I have really the only ones that I can remember when I wake up....
Sapper,
Krusty and I both have your address now, if one of those dreams becomes a reality there's gonna be a WWE Smackdown in your hometown! 'stick'
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
Mine lately have been that I've forgotton to post roll.....
Cave dreams suck for me at least, these are the most vivid dreams that I have really the only ones that I can remember when I wake up....
Sapper,
Krusty and I both have your address now, if one of those dreams becomes a reality there's gonna be a WWE Smackdown in your hometown! 'stick'
That goes both ways there buddy. I also have a house about 45 minutes from you that I can kick the tenant out of and set up my op center to command the ass kicking operations from...
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
Mine lately have been that I've forgotton to post roll.....
Cave dreams suck for me at least, these are the most vivid dreams that I have really the only ones that I can remember when I wake up....
Sapper,
Krusty and I both have your address now, if one of those dreams becomes a reality there's gonna be a WWE Smackdown in your hometown! 'stick'
That goes both ways there buddy. I also have a house about 45 minutes from you that I can kick the tenant out of and set up my op center to command the ass kicking operations from...
Now that's true accountability!!!! Nice to see you adding up the days!!! I still get dip and smoke dreams occasionally and they are as real as when I first quit! Damn Nic Biotch!!!!
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
Mine lately have been that I've forgotton to post roll.....
Cave dreams suck for me at least, these are the most vivid dreams that I have really the only ones that I can remember when I wake up....
Sapper,
Krusty and I both have your address now, if one of those dreams becomes a reality there's gonna be a WWE Smackdown in your hometown! 'stick'
That goes both ways there buddy. I also have a house about 45 minutes from you that I can kick the tenant out of and set up my op center to command the ass kicking operations from...
Nothing like a Mexican standoff over some cave dreams... No need to get stoned to the bejeesus and watch some Stanley Kubrick movies backwards when one can just read the recap of Sap's cave dreams. (No offense to those who enjoy that sort of thing, of course.)
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I've had cave dreams the last two nights. Last nights was really weird, in it, I had a cave dream and when I woke up from my dream within a dream, I caved... and that one really worried me because I had just woken up, but it wasn't until I woke up from the main dream and realized that it was just a very complex cave dream that I felt relief.
Oh I was going through all the addict speak. I was telling myself it wasn't that big a deal, I could still post roll, nobody would ever know... but I felt like such a failure, I actually was crying in my dream, didn't want to face the reality of what I had done.
Thank god cave dreams aren't real. I'm happy to be posting 45 today.
I think you'll be ok unless your pillow is brown when you wake up... I didn't have my first until around 130 or so... Sorry 'drool'
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
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Thanks guys!
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
Outstanding Sapper! Quit on Mayhem!
mb289
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
'crackup'
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
'crackup'
'Sno'
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
'crackup'
'Sno'
;) Nice going friend.
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
'crackup'
'Sno'
;) Nice going friend.
Atta Boy!!!
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Well, well, well...look who's clipping 5-0 today... Nice milestone, Sap -- you wear it well. Keep it up.
Way to go Sapper! 50 days of quit is very, very nice!
Quit with you all day long.
Congrats, that 's fifty +1's right there!
nice fiddy sap
Way to go! Personal best every day here on out!
You Alpha Centaurians are damned good quitters! (Relatively speaking)
'crackup'
'Sno'
;) Nice going friend.
Atta Boy!!!
Nice job Sapper! Quit on with Mayhem.
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Day 56, had a dip dream last night, same old story, tried to rationalize it away, but ultimately knew I was a loser, then I woke up and felt relieved.
It's not even 10:30 in the AM and I've been craving all morning long. I don't know why today is so much harder than the last several weeks, but it is. Just have to fight through it.
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Day 56, had a dip dream last night, same old story, tried to rationalize it away, but ultimately knew I was a loser, then I woke up and felt relieved.
It's not even 10:30 in the AM and I've been craving all morning long. I don't know why today is so much harder than the last several weeks, but it is. Just have to fight through it.
Try to do something active today. Don't just sit around. A walk, quick workout, etc. getting the juices flowing might do the trick.
Quit with u day Sapper.
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Day 56, had a dip dream last night, same old story, tried to rationalize it away, but ultimately knew I was a loser, then I woke up and felt relieved.
It's not even 10:30 in the AM and I've been craving all morning long. I don't know why today is so much harder than the last several weeks, but it is. Just have to fight through it.
Try to do something active today. Don't just sit around. A walk, quick workout, etc. getting the juices flowing might do the trick.
Quit with u day Sapper.
Hey Sapper
I know exactly what you mean. It's actually pretty funny how we can go through days feeling great and then out of nowhere,BAM! All the years of abuse really fucked up our wiring I think. Laugh at the cravings. It's just the bitch slowly dying right? You got this. There is nothing good behind us and great stuff ahead. Let's keep going!
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Day 56, had a dip dream last night, same old story, tried to rationalize it away, but ultimately knew I was a loser, then I woke up and felt relieved.
It's not even 10:30 in the AM and I've been craving all morning long. I don't know why today is so much harder than the last several weeks, but it is. Just have to fight through it.
Try to do something active today. Don't just sit around. A walk, quick workout, etc. getting the juices flowing might do the trick.
Quit with u day Sapper.
Hey Sapper
I know exactly what you mean. It's actually pretty funny how we can go through days feeling great and then out of nowhere,BAM! All the years of abuse really fucked up our wiring I think. Laugh at the cravings. It's just the bitch slowly dying right? You got this. There is nothing good behind us and great stuff ahead. Let's keep going!
Sapper,
Derk's right. Physical activity might do the trick. I have 40 post holes that need to get dug out in the pasture. Come on over. I promise it will take your mind off the nic bitch! :-)
ZC
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I'd love to be outside digging some post holes. I'm making it, just a rough day with the craves, but nothing I can't handle.
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I'd love to be outside digging some post holes. I'm making it, just a rough day with the craves, but nothing I can't handle.
Hang I'm there. Yous gonna be just fine.
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I'd love to be outside digging some post holes. I'm making it, just a rough day with the craves, but nothing I can't handle.
Hang I'm there. Yous gonna be just fine.
Then go outside and dig post holes! Lippi can show you how.
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I'm up late studying for a professional licensing exam next week. This is my final all day exam of my career so help me. I've take the two engineering exams and the first surveying exam and next week is the second surveying exam. If I pass, I will hold two professional licenses, one as an engineer, and one a surveyor. This is a pretty big deal for my profession, there are not many dual licensed engineers / surveyors, so this could open doors for salary increases and promotions. It's a test worth taking seriously when it comes to preparation.
That said, this is the first time I've studied for such an exam without a quarter can of skoal in my lip. In fact, it is quite possible, though it's hard to remember back now, that my first time really dipping consistently was when I was studying for the first engineering exam during my senior year of college.
However, on a positive side, this will also be the first time while taking the exam that I won't be rushing to get the last few problems done early so I can go out and put in a dip before coming back in for the afternoon session. So, at least this time around I won't be jonesing and I have to believe that can only help me perform stronger on the exam.
Anyway, just thought I'd share since its late, I'm tired, and I am not packing a can to help get me through a few more problems.
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I'm up late studying for a professional licensing exam next week. This is my final all day exam of my career so help me. I've take the two engineering exams and the first surveying exam and next week is the second surveying exam. If I pass, I will hold two professional licenses, one as an engineer, and one a surveyor. This is a pretty big deal for my profession, there are not many dual licensed engineers / surveyors, so this could open doors for salary increases and promotions. It's a test worth taking seriously when it comes to preparation.
That said, this is the first time I've studied for such an exam without a quarter can of skoal in my lip. In fact, it is quite possible, though it's hard to remember back now, that my first time really dipping consistently was when I was studying for the first engineering exam during my senior year of college.
However, on a positive side, this will also be the first time while taking the exam that I won't be rushing to get the last few problems done early so I can go out and put in a dip before coming back in for the afternoon session. So, at least this time around I won't be jonesing and I have to believe that can only help me perform stronger on the exam.
Anyway, just thought I'd share since its late, I'm tired, and I am not packing a can to help get me through a few more problems.
I (sort of) know the feeling, as I'm still in college. The hardest part of quitting for me was being able to focus enough to do homework and study for my courses, but it is such a liberating feeling being able to overcome the fog and be able to succeed with my classes without dip.
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I'm up late studying for a professional licensing exam next week. This is my final all day exam of my career so help me. I've take the two engineering exams and the first surveying exam and next week is the second surveying exam. If I pass, I will hold two professional licenses, one as an engineer, and one a surveyor. This is a pretty big deal for my profession, there are not many dual licensed engineers / surveyors, so this could open doors for salary increases and promotions. It's a test worth taking seriously when it comes to preparation.
That said, this is the first time I've studied for such an exam without a quarter can of skoal in my lip. In fact, it is quite possible, though it's hard to remember back now, that my first time really dipping consistently was when I was studying for the first engineering exam during my senior year of college.
However, on a positive side, this will also be the first time while taking the exam that I won't be rushing to get the last few problems done early so I can go out and put in a dip before coming back in for the afternoon session. So, at least this time around I won't be jonesing and I have to believe that can only help me perform stronger on the exam.
Anyway, just thought I'd share since its late, I'm tired, and I am not packing a can to help get me through a few more problems.
I (sort of) know the feeling, as I'm still in college. The hardest part of quitting for me was being able to focus enough to do homework and study for my courses, but it is such a liberating feeling being able to overcome the fog and be able to succeed with my classes without dip.
Good luck Sapper! I did the same in college...always hurrying to get that next chew in. It's a great feeling not worrying about the next chew.
mb289
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Amazes me how the brain rewires and we rrealize that nic actually never made anything better and never enhanced our performance in anything. Amazing how we just accepted that lie for so long. Soild quit Sapper!
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I'm up late studying for a professional licensing exam next week. This is my final all day exam of my career so help me. I've take the two engineering exams and the first surveying exam and next week is the second surveying exam. If I pass, I will hold two professional licenses, one as an engineer, and one a surveyor. This is a pretty big deal for my profession, there are not many dual licensed engineers / surveyors, so this could open doors for salary increases and promotions. It's a test worth taking seriously when it comes to preparation.
That said, this is the first time I've studied for such an exam without a quarter can of skoal in my lip. In fact, it is quite possible, though it's hard to remember back now, that my first time really dipping consistently was when I was studying for the first engineering exam during my senior year of college.
However, on a positive side, this will also be the first time while taking the exam that I won't be rushing to get the last few problems done early so I can go out and put in a dip before coming back in for the afternoon session. So, at least this time around I won't be jonesing and I have to believe that can only help me perform stronger on the exam.
Anyway, just thought I'd share since its late, I'm tired, and I am not packing a can to help get me through a few more problems.
I (sort of) know the feeling, as I'm still in college. The hardest part of quitting for me was being able to focus enough to do homework and study for my courses, but it is such a liberating feeling being able to overcome the fog and be able to succeed with my classes without dip.
Good luck Sapper! I did the same in college...always hurrying to get that next chew in. It's a great feeling not worrying about the next chew.
mb289
Nice Sapper. You are a free man as you study for these exams. I bet it feels good. Best of luck on the tests! ODAAT. Quit on!
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I'm up late studying for a professional licensing exam next week. This is my final all day exam of my career so help me. I've take the two engineering exams and the first surveying exam and next week is the second surveying exam. If I pass, I will hold two professional licenses, one as an engineer, and one a surveyor. This is a pretty big deal for my profession, there are not many dual licensed engineers / surveyors, so this could open doors for salary increases and promotions. It's a test worth taking seriously when it comes to preparation.
That said, this is the first time I've studied for such an exam without a quarter can of skoal in my lip. In fact, it is quite possible, though it's hard to remember back now, that my first time really dipping consistently was when I was studying for the first engineering exam during my senior year of college.
However, on a positive side, this will also be the first time while taking the exam that I won't be rushing to get the last few problems done early so I can go out and put in a dip before coming back in for the afternoon session. So, at least this time around I won't be jonesing and I have to believe that can only help me perform stronger on the exam.
Anyway, just thought I'd share since its late, I'm tired, and I am not packing a can to help get me through a few more problems.
I (sort of) know the feeling, as I'm still in college. The hardest part of quitting for me was being able to focus enough to do homework and study for my courses, but it is such a liberating feeling being able to overcome the fog and be able to succeed with my classes without dip.
Good luck Sapper! I did the same in college...always hurrying to get that next chew in. It's a great feeling not worrying about the next chew.
mb289
Nice Sapper. You are a free man as you study for these exams. I bet it feels good. Best of luck on the tests! ODAAT. Quit on!
You can and will do this. You have been free from the slavery of the can this long, so I know for a fact that when you put your mind to stuff good things happens. Study your ass off and kick that test's ass.
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
Run the razor's edge and stay frosty. The nic bitch would love nothing more than to nail your ass to the wall in hopes of advancing her cause to enslave us again.
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
Run the razor's edge and stay frosty. The nic bitch would love nothing more than to nail your ass to the wall in hopes of advancing her cause to enslave us again.
All I can say is watch your back one day at a time! The bitch is laying in the weeds looking for an opportunity! Keep kicking ass!!!!!
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
Run the razor's edge and stay frosty. The nic bitch would love nothing more than to nail your ass to the wall in hopes of advancing her cause to enslave us again.
All I can say is watch your back one day at a time! The bitch is laying in the weeds looking for an opportunity! Keep kicking ass!!!!!
What KDip said. She is evil.
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
Run the razor's edge and stay frosty. The nic bitch would love nothing more than to nail your ass to the wall in hopes of advancing her cause to enslave us again.
All I can say is watch your back one day at a time! The bitch is laying in the weeds looking for an opportunity! Keep kicking ass!!!!!
What KDip said. She is evil.
It's all about winning each little battle. One at a time.
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Thanks everybody. I almost ran out last night to get some Smokey Mountain, which I've only used twice since quitting, but grinding through math problems was really making me crave big time. That said, I didn't go get any smokey mountain and I just kept working problems. In end, I'm still quit and I beat another trigger again.
It's all good. My quit is starting to actually build some muscle now. It was a delicate little baby at first, then a wobbly toddler, now it's a hearty young lad of a quit that goes out and plays in the woods all day long on its own, just far enough to have some independence, but still close enough to hear dad calling it in to wash up for supper. Soon my quit will be playing varsity sports.
Metaphorically speaking, you are kicking ass and taking no prisoners!
;Ironman:
Run the razor's edge and stay frosty. The nic bitch would love nothing more than to nail your ass to the wall in hopes of advancing her cause to enslave us again.
All I can say is watch your back one day at a time! The bitch is laying in the weeds looking for an opportunity! Keep kicking ass!!!!!
What KDip said. She is evil.
It's all about winning each little battle. One at a time.
Another battle won! You've got this quit down! Quit with Mayhem ODAAT.
mb289
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Thanks gents. Couldn't have done it without any of ya'll.
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
Well done Sapper! 100 days quit. You a winning this battle my friend. I am quit with you all day long!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
Well done Sapper! 100 days quit. You a winning this battle my friend. I am quit with you all day long!
Congrats, only 91 days behind you...
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
Well done Sapper! 100 days quit. You a winning this battle my friend. I am quit with you all day long!
Congrats, only 91 days behind you...
Strong work Sapper enjoy your day you earned it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
Well done Sapper! 100 days quit. You a winning this battle my friend. I am quit with you all day long!
Congrats, only 91 days behind you...
Strong work Sapper enjoy your day you earned it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to be Sapper! Nice quit- keep it up!
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In about 4 hours Sapper will be entering the HOF...unfuckingbelievable...CONGRATS, my friend!!!!
Awesome work Sapper! Congrats!
Gotta get up early, or go to bed late to beat Slug.go.
Congrats on the hundy, Sapper! Proud to quit with you!
Sapper- It's been great quitting with you, looking forward to many more milestones (40 days to HOG!). You have helped me a lot, whether as a target during our pissing matches or as an ally against the nic bitch.
Great work, Sap! Helluva ride to 1-hundy, and glad you fought through the early "rough patches" to get to this point -- your May brethren and the site are both better off with your involvement, support, and backbone. Quit on!
Well done Sapper! 100 days quit. You a winning this battle my friend. I am quit with you all day long!
Congrats, only 91 days behind you...
Strong work Sapper enjoy your day you earned it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to be Sapper! Nice quit- keep it up!
You guys are the best. It feels good to be here. Thanks for all the support. I wish I could edit my HOF post, because I knew this would happen, I'd remember more and more people who I didn't add to my thanks list and I don't want to leave anbody out... but instead of trying to add names, I'll just say, if I missed you it wasn't intentional, and everybody in some way has helped me get to day 100.
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Congrat's Sapper... You are a hell of a quitter, and I am proud to be quit with you brother!
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Congrat's Sapper... You are a hell of a quitter, and I am proud to be quit with you brother!
Hey sapper...nice work! Come on to the back of the train....we dangle each other out of the window....it's way fun!!! Congrats on HOF!!!!
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Well done brother. Well done.
Let's set us a new goal, shall we? 200 maybe?
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Well done brother. Well done.
Let's set us a new goal, shall we? 200 maybe?
Nice job, sapper. Keep it going.
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Well done brother. Well done.
Let's set us a new goal, shall we? 200 maybe?
Nice job, sapper. Keep it going.
Ginet, being dangled out the back of the train sounds kinda dangerous, I'll only do it there is a keg and a clear rubber hose (keg stand style) involved.
Loot, absolutely, 200 days is a given, just like 300, 400, 500, well you get the picture.
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Sapper, Way to be. I was a rough ride at first but you came and you conquered. Keep it up.
Mogul
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Sapper, Way to be. I was a rough ride at first but you came and you conquered. Keep it up.
Mogul
congrats
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
I will be here with you.
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
I will be here with you.
Count me in.
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
I will be here with you.
Count me in.
Proud to call you my quit brother. I will quit with you EDD.
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
I will be here with you.
Count me in.
Proud to call you my quit brother. I will quit with you EDD.
Man I was just looking over your thread. You've come a long way. +1 with you today.
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I choose maturity, I'll post roll on KTC.
I'll be posting with you every day!
I will be here with you.
Count me in.
Proud to call you my quit brother. I will quit with you EDD.
Man I was just looking over your thread. You've come a long way. +1 with you today.
Truly.
Good on ya
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
great posting my friend, will stand right beside you each and every day.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
I know the following to be true: God gave me free will; the power of choice. I choose to quit today. I choose to quit with you Brother, to quit with you Sister, to quit with KTC.
I must continue in this Brotherhood. If you move on, I will have to make new friends, find new Brothers and Sisters. Why? Because, if I donÂ’tÂ…wellÂ…you know how it ends. I have already read our story.
We are not a unique and special butterflies. We are a drug addicts.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
I know the following to be true: God gave me free will; the power of choice. I choose to quit today. I choose to quit with you Brother, to quit with you Sister, to quit with KTC.
I must continue in this Brotherhood. If you move on, I will have to make new friends, find new Brothers and Sisters. Why? Because, if I donÂ’tÂ…wellÂ…you know how it ends. I have already read our story.
We are not a unique and special butterflies. We are a drug addicts.
I like Scowick. The dude just lays it out and stays on task.
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
I know the following to be true: God gave me free will; the power of choice. I choose to quit today. I choose to quit with you Brother, to quit with you Sister, to quit with KTC.
I must continue in this Brotherhood. If you move on, I will have to make new friends, find new Brothers and Sisters. Why? Because, if I donÂ’tÂ…wellÂ…you know how it ends. I have already read our story.
We are not a unique and special butterflies. We are a drug addicts.
I like Scowick. The dude just lays it out and stays on task.
this thread made my day, well done Sapper, quit with you any day amigo!
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
I know the following to be true: God gave me free will; the power of choice. I choose to quit today. I choose to quit with you Brother, to quit with you Sister, to quit with KTC.
I must continue in this Brotherhood. If you move on, I will have to make new friends, find new Brothers and Sisters. Why? Because, if I donÂ’tÂ…wellÂ…you know how it ends. I have already read our story.
We are not a unique and special butterflies. We are a drug addicts.
I like Scowick. The dude just lays it out and stays on task.
this thread made my day, well done Sapper, quit with you any day amigo!
Yes this site is in constant flux. But I know this. I will stay here as long as there is at least one other quitter like Sapper to lean on. I tried quitting by myself, for others, hundreds of times and was never successful. I'm proud to be quit with you Sapper from out here in the 3rd or 4th Circle.
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I'm just going to come out and say what everyone is thinking - "SAPPER YOU ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU!"
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In light of all of the stuff that's been going on starting at the end of June with the whole loot departure and then the fallout between my quit group and the mods / admins, I figured I'd put another entry into my introduction thread. This may or may not help anybody, but it'll be here for me to come back to and read when I feel the need.
During the last 192 days since I quit using tobacco, one thing has been constant on this site. That constant is that nothing is really constant. Day to day things might appear to be the same, but over time you see just how different things are today than they were just a week ago, or even yesterday. For example, between me posting roll this morning and then my next visit to the site, about a dozen more people had posted roll in May '14. During that time, two long term members of May bumped other members. I fixed them both, but that is neither here nor there. In the span of less than an hour, dozens of new posts popped up today. Numbers changed by a value of plus one from all of the various numbers posted yesterday. This board is constantly changing. That's on the molecular level, but wait there is more. On a much larger scale, things are changing all the time too. Quitters join our ranks every day, quitters fall off our rolls every day. Stalwart quitters like Loot and company totally abandon ship and leave all they've known about quitting for nearly a decade, literally overnight in a great big epileptic seizure style temper tantrum. Wedge goes from posting every day with May '14 to just fucking disappearing, only come back and say, yeah, I've been gone a while, then to disappear again. Lipi and Sapper's feud goes from the verge of the third world war to the two of them being quit brothers in solidarity against half assed cavers, then sapper drops off for a while and then comes raging back against November. May as a whole goes from being the "darling" quit group of the KTC admin / mods to being the subject of severe mistrust and concern about perceived actions of impropriety such as creating fictitious user names and blaming admins of doing the same. Again, everything changes, and not just a little bit, but drastically. The ebb and sway of the tide of change within KTC are violent and turbulent. If you don't climb out and stand upon the shores for a little bit, you'll get so caught up in the rise and fall of the waves of change that you can easily get sucked under and swept out to sea.
But in all that change, in all that chaos and turbulence, there is a constant. That constant is the core group of quitters with whom you make your way through these rough waters. That group is formed early on in the quit fog, and forged through continuous daily interaction. Think about it, some of us have probably communicated more with our quit brothers in the past 6 months (for those of us in May) than our own wives or kids. Is that right? Who knows, some psychologists would probably have a field day analyzing mayhem's antics, but it is what it is, and we remain steadfast in our resolve to remain quit. It is for this reason that we don't easily accept new quitters in and amongst our tightest inner circle, which for those of us in May consists ONLY of others in May. We allows others into the second or third order circles, but the innermost is reserved for those of us who forged this ring together. The point is that the constant is the quit group. This is why when a member of that quit group caves, it's devastating to the rest of the inner circle members, because the constant has been violated. Now, nothing is stable, everything is in flux. The board continues to be a torrent of waves crashing and capsized ships. The survivors have to band together with fewer members than they had just a day prior. The shipwrecked crew is shrinking and stability must be reestablished.
Brotha. I hear what your saying. Things change. I had an entire speech written (in my mind) for when I hit one year. Now with the big shake down that's happened, some of my core quit beliefs have changed. People I stood with are gone. Trust has been shaken. It's now almost as if I stand here alone. The vets that have remained tell me that quit groups are always evolving. Changing. After a while its like we've walked far enough that we are able to stand on our own regardless of who remains with us. And I guess actually that's simply a sign of maturity. I can definitely grab a hold of that theory. Proud to be Quit with you.
I'll batten down the hatches and QLF with you Sap. Come hell or high water...we are quit.
Doc in a way illustrates my point. We truly do Quit together but along the way, those that have promised to be your quit brother will cave, fade away, disappear, or what ever. I'm not directing this at doc or anyone else personally but there is a perfect saying that should be a belt holding up every britches of Quit here. This is it : "I quit with you, but I came here for me". When things change, people are gone, etc, ultimately we came here to be Quit and nothing and nobody should be allowed to come between us and our goal.
In this fight, when it comes down to it, the only thing we allow to stand in the way of our goal is ourselves.
Pssssst.......That is why we have each other and why we are here. We were never strong enough to quit on our own, and left to our own devices that is why so many will fail when they leave.
I know the following to be true: God gave me free will; the power of choice. I choose to quit today. I choose to quit with you Brother, to quit with you Sister, to quit with KTC.
I must continue in this Brotherhood. If you move on, I will have to make new friends, find new Brothers and Sisters. Why? Because, if I donÂ’tÂ…wellÂ…you know how it ends. I have already read our story.
We are not a unique and special butterflies. We are a drug addicts.
I like Scowick. The dude just lays it out and stays on task.
this thread made my day, well done Sapper, quit with you any day amigo!
Yes this site is in constant flux. But I know this. I will stay here as long as there is at least one other quitter like Sapper to lean on. I tried quitting by myself, for others, hundreds of times and was never successful. I'm proud to be quit with you Sapper from out here in the 3rd or 4th Circle.
Thanks guys. I appreciate all of you. I don't often post "I quit with so and so" because quite frankly, there are so many people that support me and that I respect and I can't put them all in my roll posts every day, and I can't remember the list, so I should say, when I put my name on roll, it is with everybody who is quit and takes their quit seriously every day. In my HOF speech, I specifically mentioned a bunch of people, funny thing is now that list is outdated, there are new quitters like schaef who would be on it if I were writing it again and old quitters who I never previously interacted with like gmann and wastepanel who would be on it now. There are also some who made the list but I wouldn't feel guilty about removing now, like loot. But it is what it is. It's a snapshot of my quit in time.
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I'm just going to come out and say what everyone is thinking - "SAPPER YOU ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU!"
Aww shucks.
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I'm just going to come out and say what everyone is thinking - "SAPPER YOU ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU!"
Aww shucks.
Sapper is not people though, he is from Alpha Centauri. But he is like us though.
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I'm just going to come out and say what everyone is thinking - "SAPPER YOU ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU!"
Aww shucks.
Sapper is not people though, he is from Alpha Centauri. But he is like us though.
Technically, you too are near alpha centauri, relatively speaking.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate all of you. I don't often post "I quit with so and so" because quite frankly, there are so many people that support me and that I respect and I can't put them all in my roll posts every day, and I can't remember the list, so I should say, when I put my name on roll, it is with everybody who is quit and takes their quit seriously every day. In my HOF speech, I specifically mentioned a bunch of people, funny thing is now that list is outdated, there are new quitters like schaef who would be on it if I were writing it again and old quitters who I never previously interacted with like gmann and wastepanel who would be on it now. There are also some who made the list but I wouldn't feel guilty about removing now, like loot. But it is what it is. It's a snapshot of my quit in time.
I 100% agree with you on why i dont do the whole "I quit with..." Far too many to list.
My name on roll + your name on roll = I am quit with you.
Words have meaning and stuff - goo shit Sapper.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
I'm late but still want to say congrats Sapper- and glad youre in for the next milestone.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
I'm late but still want to say congrats Sapper- and glad youre in for the next milestone.
I'm late also. But definitely wanted to congratulate you buddy. Damn fine job of Quitting. Just keeps getting better from here.
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
I'm late but still want to say congrats Sapper- and glad youre in for the next milestone.
I'm late also. But definitely wanted to congratulate you buddy. Damn fine job of Quitting. Just keeps getting better from here.
Better late then never, congrats Badassius quitericus
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
I'm late but still want to say congrats Sapper- and glad youre in for the next milestone.
I'm late also. But definitely wanted to congratulate you buddy. Damn fine job of Quitting. Just keeps getting better from here.
Better late then never, congrats Badassius quitericus
200 LF
Nice job Sapper
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Congratulations on the deuce!! That is awesome. 2nd floor!!
shocker
Nice 2 hundo. Congrats.
'oh yeah' two flos enjoy your day Mr Sapper
Congrats on 2-hundo, Sapster PI...!
congrats sapper. thanks for teaching me the basics to gordonian physics.
Congrats on 200 days Sapper!
Nice 2 bills!
Hey, thanks all! I'll be sticking around till 300... at least.
I'm late but still want to say congrats Sapper- and glad youre in for the next milestone.
I'm late also. But definitely wanted to congratulate you buddy. Damn fine job of Quitting. Just keeps getting better from here.
Better late then never, congrats Badassius quitericus
200 LF
Nice job Sapper
Well done my friend, as this sets up for a great example with your family, with scouts and with all of those who come in touch with you.
great job
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
This is a great thread. From the first post, to the last... this is what this site is all about. Well done, Sapper.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
This is a great thread. From the first post, to the last... this is what this site is all about. Well done, Sapper.
Good post Sapper, way to be strong.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
This is a great thread. From the first post, to the last... this is what this site is all about. Well done, Sapper.
Good post Sapper, way to be strong.
Inspiring tale of quit, Sapper.
4 day golf/booze fest starts for me Wednesday, likely be the only one with 0% nicotine ingested throughout the trip.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
This is a great thread. From the first post, to the last... this is what this site is all about. Well done, Sapper.
Good post Sapper, way to be strong.
Inspiring tale of quit, Sapper.
4 day golf/booze fest starts for me Wednesday, likely be the only one with 0% nicotine ingested throughout the trip.
To answer rdad's question, no, I couldn't have done it 224 days ago. And, I'll say this, even if I had been on this site at the time and done this at such an early stage of my quit, I'd have been a retread without a doubt.
Which leads me to an observation. You've seen it said to avoid booze for the first 50 days or so. Yes, a million times yes. You have to. If you've got an alcohol problem, figure that out first, then come back and quit dipping, but if you aren't an alcoholic, just put down the sauce for the first couple months. You won't regret it.
Also, if you're in a situation where you find your job tied to your social drinking and that is a catalyst for nic use, it may be a good idea to have a serious talk with your boss. "Hey, boss, I can't go to the normal client kegger that we go to every year because I'm actively trying to quit using tobacco. I know that I have a higher probability of using it again if I go and get sloshy. I'm gonna sit this one out." Trust me folks, there is no HR department in the world that come up with the justifiable wording on the separation documents to allow your employer to drop you for those reasons. If your employer can't support you in that effort, fuck em, sue em if they try to fire you.
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Well, I know for a fact that my quit is strong. Not that I didn't think so before, but now it's been tested and remained intact. In fact, it's hard to say it was even tested, it was more like a really easy quiz that the teacher gives you the answers to before you take it and you studied for it anyway. It just wasn't tough, there was no desire, nothing that made me almost cave or anything of the sort. It was just as if I had never been a dipper before, and was just living my life like normal people.
On Friday, I went to play golf with folks from my company. We played 18 holes with a focus on the 19th. I was bombed, it was the drunkest I've been since college and god I can never do that again, I'm just not the kind of guy who goes out and gets shitfaced all the time. Regardless, I was surrounded by cigar smokers, cigarette smokers, and dippers all day long. I didn't crave or cave. I just drank my ass off. I remember toward the end of the night when I was really sloshed, a guy put in a pinch and I said, you should check out KTC, briefly mentioned it to him, he said he had been on it before, but then caved. I didn't get his name, I've never met him before, so I have no idea who he was, but that was my day. I'm not saying I'm cured or anything, all I'm saying is that being shit faced drunk surrounded by tobacco users didn't shake my quit one iota. It was, like I said, as if I had never dipped before, there was just simply no desire, no romanticizing the old days, nothing. It was something somebody else was doing.
Now, after how I felt on Saturday, I may need to go post in the alcohol thread, but my nic quit is solid.
nice job my friend. well done. always feels great to look at those times and be proud of yourself.
Damn Sapper, you have come a long way. Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago? Its nice when we can just go thru a day (even an extreme one) and just not fret about it because we are quit. That Promise we make everyday....ITS EVERYTHING.
Sharing these victorys helps everyone's quit be stronger- thanks Sapper!
Nice job bro ... That story is exactly what "no chance at failure" and "I've burnt my boats" is all about. There was zero chance of a cave, because you removed the chance a long time ago. Nice ...
Rdad posed the question- Can you imagine surviving that 224 days ago?
Not sure what Sapper would say, but let me chime in.
No. trying to stay quit through that environment wouldn't have even come up, based on my old "quits".
That is, I wouldn't have even thought about staying quit, because I couldn't have done it. .
Various justifications-
1. Everyone else is doing it.
2. I'm drinking, chew is so good when I'm when drinking.
3. I won't chew, I'll just smoke a cigar. My buddies are smoking a cigar.
4. Fuck it, I already smoked a cigar, might as well have a chew.
5. Fuck it, I am quitting this shit tomorrow, but today I'll enjoy myself.
Without this place, I would have been so defenseless I wouldn't have even realized how defenseless I was.
Now, teamed up with dudes like Sapper, I can confidently say that in that same situation I once again don't need to even think about quitting, because I am QUIT.
Completely above that shit.
Fucking nicotine junkies are no longer a threat to my quit, they are an object of pity or scorn. Fuck em.
Nice work Sap.
This is a great thread. From the first post, to the last... this is what this site is all about. Well done, Sapper.
Good post Sapper, way to be strong.
Inspiring tale of quit, Sapper.
4 day golf/booze fest starts for me Wednesday, likely be the only one with 0% nicotine ingested throughout the trip.
To answer rdad's question, no, I couldn't have done it 224 days ago. And, I'll say this, even if I had been on this site at the time and done this at such an early stage of my quit, I'd have been a retread without a doubt.
Which leads me to an observation. You've seen it said to avoid booze for the first 50 days or so. Yes, a million times yes. You have to. If you've got an alcohol problem, figure that out first, then come back and quit dipping, but if you aren't an alcoholic, just put down the sauce for the first couple months. You won't regret it.
Also, if you're in a situation where you find your job tied to your social drinking and that is a catalyst for nic use, it may be a good idea to have a serious talk with your boss. "Hey, boss, I can't go to the normal client kegger that we go to every year because I'm actively trying to quit using tobacco. I know that I have a higher probability of using it again if I go and get sloshy. I'm gonna sit this one out." Trust me folks, there is no HR department in the world that come up with the justifiable wording on the separation documents to allow your employer to drop you for those reasons. If your employer can't support you in that effort, fuck em, sue em if they try to fire you.
Nice job, Sap.
Love the great quit and career advice. I just told my boss to fuck off...unfortunately, I'm my own boss.
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
Well Done Sap!!!
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
Well Done Sap!!!
Nice job, brother Sap! Hold that 3rd floor door!
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
Well Done Sap!!!
Nice job, brother Sap! Hold that 3rd floor door!
Nice work Sapper!
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
Well Done Sap!!!
Nice job, brother Sap! Hold that 3rd floor door!
Nice work Sapper!
Congrats Sapster -- nice 3-hundy!!
Stop and think about that for a moment: THREE HUNDRED DAYS SANS NICOTINE.
Outstanding.
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Gratz on the 3 hundo Sapper! Enjoy the day!
Way to be, you badass Alien!
Well Done Sap!!!
Nice job, brother Sap! Hold that 3rd floor door!
Nice work Sapper!
Congrats Sapster -- nice 3-hundy!!
Stop and think about that for a moment: THREE HUNDRED DAYS SANS NICOTINE.
Outstanding.
OUTSTANDING, Major Sapper!
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Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas, Sap!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'boob' 'boob' 'Sing and Drink' 'dance' 'dance' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'shots'
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Congrats on 300 days free from that nasty plant.
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Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas, Sap!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'boob' 'boob' 'Sing and Drink' 'dance' 'dance' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'shots'
Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday Sap, hope today is not filled with the "combination" presents!
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Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas, Sap!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'boob' 'boob' 'Sing and Drink' 'dance' 'dance' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'shots'
Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday Sap, hope today is not filled with the "combination" presents!
Merry merry and Happy happy, Sap!!
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Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas, Sap!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'boob' 'boob' 'Sing and Drink' 'dance' 'dance' 'dance' 'party2' 'party2' 'shots'
Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday Sap, hope today is not filled with the "combination" presents!
Merry merry and Happy happy, Sap!!
Happy Birthday! Hope you had a great day! 'boob'