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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Old Dog New Tricks on May 29, 2015, 12:06:00 AM
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Hi everyone. I'm an addict. That was harder to say than I thought it would be.
Started dipping while playing lacrosse in Boston high schoolsin the early 70s. Couple of times chewing with the team introduced me to it at the age of 15. A lot of drugs in post-60s schools back then (lots of kids I knew were on acid, which I wanted no part of), so I had the bright idea of chewing tobacco instead of doing drugs at parties. Frickin' social genius right?
38 years later and I'm just now quitting. What surprises me the most is just how "stupid" Dip made me. I've had my share of success in business and family life, so I think of myself as a fairly decent and smart guy, but when it comes to DIP, I am a COMPLETE IDIOT, and I've been this way for decades. My brain says every day, "Keep chewing carcinogens. You love to spit. It tastes good. It's your favorite thing to do. Ignore the science and statistics. Ignore the big calloused pouch on your gums where your dip sits. You're different. You won't die. Ignore the cough. Keep lying to your children and wife that you quit years ago. And then make them feel like crap when they question your integrity. Keep setting a terrible example for your kids by lying and having no will power. Of course you'll be there for your daughter's wedding and when she has kids...You won't be dead. Just keep doing what makes you happy."
The fact that it took 38 years for me to figure out that I was hurting myself and those I care about most is astounding. I'm sure I've done some damage. But I am thankful that I'm in my 50s and not dead yet so that I can fix this. It's going to be a damned battle for the next couple months....and probably years, but I'm going to do it. I'm happy to be a part of the September 2015 Nicotine Assassins Quit Group and KTC.
I have to say, spending my first day in the KTC chat room with some HOFers and Admins, and other newbies like me, has totally given me the confidence that I can do this. I've read all the blogs and the advance material on what symptoms to expect. I didn't expect to find such support so willingly given. Thank you. Hopefully I'll never need to speak to any of you again...LOL. But if I do, it's very reassuring that you are all there.
I'm damned impressed at the contribution each of you makes to help one another.
Thanks for listening. One day at a time,
Old Dog New Tricks
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
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Rawls! Kindred spirit and generation! Thanks man. I quit with you today. Thanks for the support. ODNT
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I like the way you write, sir. And I'm sure you're just as proficient a reader, so you already know this stuff, but let me tell you again so I can get in the practice.
We post our promise first thing in the morning here. Some lollygaggers think it's ok to go about their day and grace us all with a status update before bed. Well what good does a promise to abstain from tobacco do you for the last couple hours of the day?
The thing I struggled with on day one was embracing becoming a man of integrity and a man of my word. I'd lied to my family and to myself for so long that I twisted it around so as to be a point of pride! How amazing and fun it was to fool everyone! I must be so clever! Only after a week or two into my quit did I appreciate what a burden the lying and sneaking had been! And life is so much more simple now. My marriage has never been stronger now that it's rid of this cancer (pun intended).
So it's simple around here:
1) Post your promise
2) Keep your promise
3) Repeat.
I'm really excited for you! The next few days especially are going to be a trial, but it only gets better after that. I'm only at day 41 and I can truly say that quitting tobacco has enriched my life immensely.
PM me as well if you need anything at all, or just want to chat.
I quit with you today, just today, one day at a time.
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You can do anything for a day my friend. Anything. Focus only on today. And when your mind starts telling you that you can't do this and thing won't get better and all other kinds of bullshit - click on ANY HOF speech. Keep looking until you find one that isn't positive about it getting better.
One more thing... Mindset is a big part of this process. I've done ok in life too, but every damn day for 25 years I lost at something. Something big. It was a tangled web of lies and horrible daily choices that were woven into an otherwise happy and successful life. How fucked is it that we work so damn hard to win at so many things, but choose to lose at something so important - something that determines our future health and compromises our integrity?
Today, from a craves/withdrawal standpoint isn't going to be a cakewalk. But today you are working to win at everything you do, and not choosing to lose. This little mindset change can help a lot...
Welcome aboard!
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I did it for a long time too. You've found your rescue friend! I see you've found September and have posted roll!! That's awesome to see. Remember to get a couple phone numbers of dudes in your group. They will be part of your cave plan. I don't want to tell you what a cave plan is, I want you to ask around. I quit with you today friend.
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congrats man! i am right here with you. on day 4. we roll together.
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I quit with you today!
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Old Dog, I quit with you. No more of this crap
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I like the way you write, sir. And I'm sure you're just as proficient a reader, so you already know this stuff, but let me tell you again so I can get in the practice.
We post our promise first thing in the morning here. Some lollygaggers think it's ok to go about their day and grace us all with a status update before bed. Well what good does a promise to abstain from tobacco do you for the last couple hours of the day?
The thing I struggled with on day one was embracing becoming a man of integrity and a man of my word. I'd lied to my family and to myself for so long that I twisted it around so as to be a point of pride! How amazing and fun it was to fool everyone! I must be so clever! Only after a week or two into my quit did I appreciate what a burden the lying and sneaking had been! And life is so much more simple now. My marriage has never been stronger now that it's rid of this cancer (pun intended).
So it's simple around here:
1) Post your promise
2) Keep your promise
3) Repeat.
I'm really excited for you! The next few days especially are going to be a trial, but it only gets better after that. I'm only at day 41 and I can truly say that quitting tobacco has enriched my life immensely.
PM me as well if you need anything at all, or just want to chat.
I quit with you today, just today, one day at a time.
"...what a burden the lying and sneaking had been!" Thanks for sharing that Robb. That was exactly why I decided to quit. My daughter caught me dipping late one night when I thought everyone had gone to bed. I hid it as quickly as I could and then proceeded to lie to her face repeatedly when she questioned why I smelled like Wintergreen. I'm embarrassed to even admit it. Here was my wonderful child that I had devoted a large part of my life to ensure she got off to a great start...someone that I trust implicitly and would never lie to...and here I was undermining the relationship I had built over years and lying to her face.
For what?!? So she wouldn't see me chewing tobacco? So that I could keep killing myself without her knowing? WTF was this stuff doing to me? I realized if I kept it up, I wouldn't be around to see her grow up anyway.
And what message was I sending to my daughter? "It's okay to lie. It's okay to chew. It's okay to do something stupid as long as it makes you feel good today." When I think about the book my daughter will write in the future about "Papa's Favorite Sayings", those are not the lessons I want to be remembered for.
Ya, that was the breaking point. It makes you STUPID, plain and simple. I quit with you bro. Thank you.
PS: One of my own requirements before I joined KTC was that I had to come clean with my family first. No more lying. That was tough. I have no credibility with them now. I have to earn it back. But before I can do that, I need to stop chewing. The great news is that after all the lying, they are still behind me and encourage me to post every day. I can do this.
I posted my promise this morning. Day 2
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Old Dog, I quit with you. No more of this crap
MWBest, you me and the rest of the September Assassins. I quit with all you Samurais! Not one more chew. Never again.
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I quit with you today!
GADAWG. Thanks! You wanna know how strong my commitment is on Day 2... with all the f*cking cravings, headaches and fog?... Well, I'll tell you. My wife comes from a very old Georgia family tree. They even named the Georgia Alberta Peach after one of her relatives. The last 2 generations are all GA TECH fans. But I quit with you GA DAWG. Forget those dang yellow jackets. You and me man. Bulldogs all the way to day 100. LOL
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Congratulations Old Dog! Best decision of your life. There is no going back, embrace the battle, it's the only way. Time to regain integrity. Use this website and the community - it wouldn't have worked for me without KTC
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You can do anything for a day my friend. Anything. Focus only on today. And when your mind starts telling you that you can't do this and thing won't get better and all other kinds of bullshit - click on ANY HOF speech. Keep looking until you find one that isn't positive about it getting better.
One more thing... Mindset is a big part of this process. I've done ok in life too, but every damn day for 25 years I lost at something. Something big. It was a tangled web of lies and horrible daily choices that were woven into an otherwise happy and successful life. How fucked is it that we work so damn hard to win at so many things, but choose to lose at something so important - something that determines our future health and compromises our integrity?
Today, from a craves/withdrawal standpoint isn't going to be a cakewalk. But today you are working to win at everything you do, and not choosing to lose. This little mindset change can help a lot...
Welcome aboard!
"...How fucked is it that we work so damn hard to win at so many things, but choose to lose at something so important - something that determines our future health and compromises our integrity?"
Hey Worktowin, you captured it. I know I'm being repetitive (but saying it over and over helps me quit), this damn dip makes you STUPID. 53 years on the path of life, conscientiously trying to make more right decisions instead of wrong ones, EXCEPT when it comes to dip. I'm still totally befuddled that I could be so blind and stupid for all these years. Even writing this now is helping me underscore the epiphany that I was a total dumb-ass when it came to my long-term health.
IMPORTANT PS: I was just suffering with cravings a few minutes ago as Day 2 progresses, but then I read your post, straightened up my spine at the computer and said out loud "I'm Quitting with you" and pointed my finger at the screen defiantly. Remember the old Uncle Sam wants you picture? Well that was me pointing at my screen and yelling it. LOL, it was quite a scene and pretty melodramatic but it worked! I even laughed afterward and the cravings disappeared. They'll be back, but I'm ready for them.
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Congratulations Old Dog! Best decision of your life. There is no going back, embrace the battle, it's the only way. Time to regain integrity. Use this website and the community - it wouldn't have worked for me without KTC
Thanks. I can see already that KTC is going to make the difference. Just being able to post or chat with someone else about this, and knowing the support is there, is huge. I'm going to be a better person thanks to my commitment and this community.
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I quit with you today!
GADAWG. Thanks! You wanna know how strong my commitment is on Day 2... with all the f*cking cravings, headaches and fog?... Well, I'll tell you. My wife comes from a very old Georgia family tree. They even named the Georgia Alberta Peach after one of her relatives. The last 2 generations are all GA TECH fans. But I quit with you GA DAWG. Forget those dang yellow jackets. You and me man. Bulldogs all the way to day 100. LOL
Haha. Converting from a pesky yellow jacket to a damn good dawg could very well be the 2nd most important thing you do on this site lol. Quit on and go dawgs!!
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You can do anything for a day my friend. Anything. Focus only on today. And when your mind starts telling you that you can't do this and thing won't get better and all other kinds of bullshit - click on ANY HOF speech. Keep looking until you find one that isn't positive about it getting better.
One more thing... Mindset is a big part of this process. I've done ok in life too, but every damn day for 25 years I lost at something. Something big. It was a tangled web of lies and horrible daily choices that were woven into an otherwise happy and successful life. How fucked is it that we work so damn hard to win at so many things, but choose to lose at something so important - something that determines our future health and compromises our integrity?
Today, from a craves/withdrawal standpoint isn't going to be a cakewalk. But today you are working to win at everything you do, and not choosing to lose. This little mindset change can help a lot...
Welcome aboard!
"...How fucked is it that we work so damn hard to win at so many things, but choose to lose at something so important - something that determines our future health and compromises our integrity?"
Hey Worktowin, you captured it. I know I'm being repetitive (but saying it over and over helps me quit), this damn dip makes you STUPID. 53 years on the path of life, conscientiously trying to make more right decisions instead of wrong ones, EXCEPT when it comes to dip. I'm still totally befuddled that I could be so blind and stupid for all these years. Even writing this now is helping me underscore the epiphany that I was a total dumb-ass when it came to my long-term health.
IMPORTANT PS: I was just suffering with cravings a few minutes ago as Day 2 progresses, but then I read your post, straightened up my spine at the computer and said out loud "I'm Quitting with you" and pointed my finger at the screen defiantly. Remember the old Uncle Sam wants you picture? Well that was me pointing at my screen and yelling it. LOL, it was quite a scene and pretty melodramatic but it worked! I even laughed afterward and the cravings disappeared. They'll be back, but I'm ready for them.
And I am quitting with you, sir.
887 days ago I was in your shoes. I remember every moment of those first few days. I wanted them to be seared into my memory, so that I wouldn't fall into the trap of failure. Failure is not an option. I post here every day, and I spend time on the intros every day, so that I can remember what those shoes feel like. Because the ones I am wearing today feel pretty damn fine.
You'll be wearing these shoes soon.
Check your inbox. My number is there.
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Wow old dog, the out pouring of support is overwhelming. I also dipped 38 years. But I am 153 days of freedom that I've never experienced in my adult life! Think about that my friend, you are gonna experience pure delight when you realize, wow this is amazing, I don't have to have you anymore whore! It's hard but you being one of the old dogs , I know you know what it means to be a man of your word. I'm here with you, side by side my friend and I too am thankful that ktc, my brothers and sisters and the good Lord have given me some added year's on my life! Damn proud to be quit with you today my brother! Pm me for number if you want
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Wow old dog, the out pouring of support is overwhelming. I also dipped 38 years. But I am 153 days of freedom that I've never experienced in my adult life! Think about that my friend, you are gonna experience pure delight when you realize, wow this is amazing, I don't have to have you anymore whore! It's hard but you being one of the old dogs , I know you know what it means to be a man of your word. I'm here with you, side by side my friend and I too am thankful that ktc, my brothers and sisters and the good Lord have given me some added year's on my life! Damn proud to be quit with you today my brother! Pm me for number if you want
Old dogs rock. Wow, I didn't think I'd see another 30+ year dipper on the Quit Road and now I've had at least 4 that have my back. I'm gonna do this. It's going to be harder than I think, so I appreciate your offer of help and living by example. 153 days....keep it up man.
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Diary Entry Day 2:
Symptoms: Bad headaches off and on all day. Minor fog, but mostly due to trying to overcome the cravings.
What worked:
1) Yelling "I QUIT WITH YOU" in the mirror to drowned out the internal voice telling me to go to the gas station and buy more dip.
2) Keeping busy.
3) Spent most of Day 2 on KTC. Didn't get a lot of work done, but all of my new friends (seriously, what an amazingly great bunch of people on this site offering help to strangers) helped me thru the day and to a point of no pain by 4pm. Actually had moments of feeling pretty damn good today to offset the tough periods.
4) Coffee didn't help but water and cranberry juice did. Tylenol was my friend today.
5) Heading for a workout to sweat out some toxins.
To all of you who helped me or listened to me today, thank you! I've made it 48 hours because of my commitment to quit and your commitment to me. Couldn't do it without you.
I will post tomorrow morning.
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Diary Entry Day 2:
Symptoms: Bad headaches off and on all day. Minor fog, but mostly due to trying to overcome the cravings.
What worked:
1) Yelling "I QUIT WITH YOU" in the mirror to drowned out the internal voice telling me to go to the gas station and buy more dip.
2) Keeping busy.
3) Spent most of Day 2 on KTC. Didn't get a lot of work done, but all of my new friends (seriously, what an amazingly great bunch of people on this site offering help to strangers) helped me thru the day and to a point of no pain by 4pm. Actually had moments of feeling pretty damn good today to offset the tough periods.
4) Coffee didn't help but water and cranberry juice did. Tylenol was my friend today.
5) Heading for a workout to sweat out some toxins.
To all of you who helped me or listened to me today, thank you! I've made it 48 hours because of my commitment to quit and your commitment to me. Couldn't do it without you.
I will post tomorrow morning.
Good stuff ODNT.
Keep up the hard work and drink that water. Flush your system.
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Great read!
You seem on track. Stay that way.
My only advice that I'd like to add: have a heart to heart with your wife. Tell her what a liar you were. Come clean. Tell her what you're going through now. I think she will be your biggest supporter. You seem like a good man aside from the 38 years of sneaking and lying about tobacco/nicotine.
No more. Congrats.
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Great read!
You seem on track. Stay that way.
My only advice that I'd like to add: have a heart to heart with your wife. Tell her what a liar you were. Come clean. Tell her what you're going through now. I think she will be your biggest supporter. You seem like a good man aside from the 38 years of sneaking and lying about tobacco/nicotine.
No more. Congrats.
^^^^ Agreed. I don't know the dynamics of your marriage, but from my experience your wife can be a huge support system. Just remember to be nice to her. In the early days it can be easy to want to take out withdrawal frustration out on a spouse. Use us instead if needed. Its healthier for marriages. We wont take half of your assets.
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Great read!
You seem on track. Stay that way.
My only advice that I'd like to add: have a heart to heart with your wife. Tell her what a liar you were. Come clean. Tell her what you're going through now. I think she will be your biggest supporter. You seem like a good man aside from the 38 years of sneaking and lying about tobacco/nicotine.
No more. Congrats.
^^^^ Agreed. I don't know the dynamics of your marriage, but from my experience your wife can be a huge support system. Just remember to be nice to her. In the early days it can be easy to want to take out withdrawal frustration out on a spouse. Use us instead if needed. Its healthier for marriages. We wont take half of your assets.
Grizzlyhasclaws and I'm Done With Chew. Morning guys. Thanks for the thoughtful advice. You both were dead-on accurate and I'd like to believe that great minds think alike.
One of my own prerequisites to quitting was that I first do exactly as you both suggested, but not only with my wife but also with both my children (both in their teens). Couple of things I learned during my first (and hopefully last) heart to heart with people you've hurt:
1. The people you care about will be your greatest and most ardent supporters, but don't expect any forgiveness or support until you initially prove you're serious about quitting.
2. When you've been lying to someone for a long time, and then all of a sudden say "I'm sorry, that was my last lie", you can't expect that you'll have any credibility whatsoever until you earn it back.
3. Talking honestly and openly about drugs, addiction and your own weaknesses and lack of will power is not only cathartic but instructive. You are teaching your kids to live by example with both humility and determination.
4. You're heart-to-heart is much more meaningful if they see you doing something about it. Watching me embrace KTC and my new life without nicotine, makes them happy.
5. You might think these types of discussions are about you coming clean. Wrong. This is about you taking the punishment you so rightfully deserve (but avoided for years because you were lying) by letting your victims vent. As much as you need to heal by apologizing, they need to heal their wounds by letting you know how you have hurt them and how angry they are with you, and how you better change or else. If you don't have a 2-way discussion where the people you hurt can hurt you back (verbally of course), then it wasn't a successful discussion. And it's your responsibility to keep the discussion cool headed and suck it up by not letting it escalate. YOU caused this. No one else. So take your medicine, earn their trust back and get busy getting quit.
6. Lastly, I promise you, that in a few days (it took 1.5 days for me and my family), after the dust has settled and the cold-shoulders and cooling-off periods have run their course, the people who care about you will be your strongest supporters. And to top it all off, you will have the stress-free feeling that comes with honesty.
Bottom line, you guys both couldn't have given better advice. Re-establishing my integrity with my family is one of my biggest drivers to Quitting success.
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Great read!
You seem on track. Stay that way.
My only advice that I'd like to add: have a heart to heart with your wife. Tell her what a liar you were. Come clean. Tell her what you're going through now. I think she will be your biggest supporter. You seem like a good man aside from the 38 years of sneaking and lying about tobacco/nicotine.
No more. Congrats.
^^^^ Agreed. I don't know the dynamics of your marriage, but from my experience your wife can be a huge support system. Just remember to be nice to her. In the early days it can be easy to want to take out withdrawal frustration out on a spouse. Use us instead if needed. Its healthier for marriages. We wont take half of your assets.
Grizzlyhasclaws and I'm Done With Chew. Morning guys. Thanks for the thoughtful advice. You both were dead-on accurate and I'd like to believe that great minds think alike.
One of my own prerequisites to quitting was that I first do exactly as you both suggested, but not only with my wife but also with both my children (both in their teens). Couple of things I learned during my first (and hopefully last) heart to heart with people you've hurt:
1. The people you care about will be your greatest and most ardent supporters, but don't expect any forgiveness or support until you initially prove you're serious about quitting.
2. When you've been lying to someone for a long time, and then all of a sudden say "I'm sorry, that was my last lie", you can't expect that you'll have any credibility whatsoever until you earn it back.
3. Talking honestly and openly about drugs, addiction and your own weaknesses and lack of will power is not only cathartic but instructive. You are teaching your kids to live by example with both humility and determination.
4. You're heart-to-heart is much more meaningful if they see you doing something about it. Watching me embrace KTC and my new life without nicotine, makes them happy.
5. You might think these types of discussions are about you coming clean. Wrong. This is about you taking the punishment you so rightfully deserve (but avoided for years because you were lying) by letting your victims vent. As much as you need to heal by apologizing, they need to heal their wounds by letting you know how you have hurt them and how angry they are with you, and how you better change or else. If you don't have a 2-way discussion where the people you hurt can hurt you back (verbally of course), then it wasn't a successful discussion. And it's your responsibility to keep the discussion cool headed and suck it up by not letting it escalate. YOU caused this. No one else. So take your medicine, earn their trust back and get busy getting quit.
6. Lastly, I promise you, that in a few days (it took 1.5 days for me and my family), after the dust has settled and the cold-shoulders and cooling-off periods have run their course, the people who care about you will be your strongest supporters. And to top it all off, you will have the stress-free feeling that comes with honesty.
Bottom line, you guys both couldn't have given better advice. Re-establishing my integrity with my family is one of my biggest drivers to Quitting success.
Great job olé buddy! Remember you're gonna be an asshole! I promise you! You have my number, call me I'll put you on speaker phone and listen while you vent. Seriously, come on here or in your group and rage,scream,hollar,whatever you need to do but avoid confrontations with the family. Man up, walk off and get on here we can and will help! Great start, pay it forward, Damn proud to be quit with you today my friend! We will always be addicts but I don't care as long as I'm dip free!
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Thanks pab1964. It sucked, but it was the right thing to do. And appreciate the offer. I will definitely text or call you if I nose dive or start turning into a total jackass. LOL, I don't know any other friends of mine (other than on KTC) who affirmatively want me to call them when I'm being an asshole. :) This IS a great community.
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You have some great quitters lining up behind you to beat this addiction Old Dog. I'm a 34 year old user who in another 20 days is going to be nic free for 1 friggin year. I never thought it was possible, and without this site, I would've been just another caver. Good old Worktowin in his above statement says it best...stay focused! It took until my 3 year old grandson kept asking "what's in your mouth Gramps" to make me realize how foolish I was. I keep a picture of him in my wallet and anytime I get a crave, out it comes and reminds me again as to why I needed to quit using. There will be many days where you will question your quit, but with that proper mindset, you will beat the bitch. I got your back and quit with you Old Dog. PM away if needed.
Old ES
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Enough Snuff. Dude I am so proud of you. 1 year! And you're right I am seriously overwhelmed and incredibly impressed with the level of support, not only from my Quit Group teammates, but from long time Hall of Famers. The fact that the people on this thread took the time to visit me and offer their help and digits makes my quit all that more strong! I've embraced KTC way more than I thought I would, and I'm glad I did.
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Day 3. Starting off pretty well. Last night's cravings had me worried I would fold and go buy a can but I made it through and had a good sleep. Woke up this morning and could smell tobacco on me. All the toxins are coming out in my sweat. Nasty. Today is going to be a good (but tough) day.
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Day 3. Starting off pretty well. Last night's cravings had me worried I would fold and go buy a can but I made it through and had a good sleep. Woke up this morning and could smell tobacco on me. All the toxins are coming out in my sweat. Nasty. Today is going to be a good (but tough) day.
You got this champ - don't even think about it.
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46 years old and a 17 years user brother, if I can do this, so can you! Be strong in these early days, because you'll be stunned how good you will feel in a couple of days! PM me for a number if you'd like. I quit with you today!
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Keep up the good work ODNT! You can do this and we are behind you.
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OD,
Like you and my brother Rawls, I'm older than the average quitter..... was a Copenhagen abuser longer than most of these folks been alive. I'm glad to see you're in September of 15 (the Samurais!). Like Old Enough Snuff and me (September Sultans, '14), we believe the young guns need some adult supervision to keep them on the straight and narrow. From what I've seen so far, you are just that person to provide that guidance. Old dudes rock! Proud to be quit with you today!!
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Good on ya man! Your story is inspiring and I wish you success in your journey towards a nicotine life.
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Diary - Day 3:
BAS Randall and ChickDip group texted with me, barefootAdam and Mgav for our first weekend of suck. For any new quitters out there, I can't tell you how great it was to help and be helped thru the weekend via text. Sometimes we just shot the shit (Randall had me in stitches with this whittles...you'll have to ask him yourself about that) and Adam was a BAMFQ this weekend with more passionate texts than a Viking warlord.
Symptoms:
1. More cravings (about 8) but less than the day before (12) - worked thru them by using Adam's technique: Stop, say "Time out, I'm having a craving but I will not crave.", then hold out your hands straight and slowly count backwards from 10 while breathing fully and slowly. Felt like a meditating buddha, but it works wonders.
2. Kept busy all day...that was the key to keep my mind off quitting. Cleaned the garage, worked out, went to a ball game... All in all a fantastic day without nicotine.
3. Sleeping was okay but not great. Woke up 5 times at night, dehydrated and cotton-mouthed. But no other issues, so the actual sleeping in between was good.
4. BEST PART OF THE DAY - I had one of those moments where I realized I was really quitting and would never ever chew again or buy another can. That was an epiphany worth documenting!
Feeling great on the morning of Day 4.
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Shout out to all you Old Dogs and other HOFers who have graced my Intro page. You guys are seriously impressive human beings. I know how busy you all are... family, kids, work, life, etc, etc, and you still find time to reach out and support a fellow quitter. And not just a "Good luck" post, but intensely thoughtful and provocative posts that require some thinking and time.
All of your effort and commitment to me makes my Quit as rock solid and permanent! I'm not blowing smoke up your kilts, I'm dead serious. I'm really impressed at your humanity. Kudos to each and everyone of you, not only for your Quit (which is Bad Ass in itself) but also for your continued support of others. You all deserve a medal.
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Day 4. Feeling really good today. Have more energy than I normally would when dipping all day.
PS: My wife is getting jealous that I spend so much time with my KTC friends! LOL
PPS: But she's damn happy I'm not chewing.
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Day 4. Feeling really good today. Have more energy than I normally would when dipping all day.
PS: My wife is getting jealous that I spend so much time with my KTC friends! LOL
PPS: But she's damn happy I'm not chewing.
Damn I wish KTC had a "like" button. This is awesome!
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Day 5: I live in the Arizona desert. Everyone on KTC must be from the other 49 states because I don't think they appreciate that it's 105 degrees here when they say:
"Dude, fight cravings by going for a jog and sweating out those toxins"; "Hey, do 10 pushups on the sidewalk every time you have a craving." Guys! It's f*cking 105 degrees here. I'm not going for a damn jog. LOL
Actually, I did work outside in the garden all day and cleansed my body as much as any of those wacko, steam-hut, back-to-nature cults do. LOL
All-in-all, I had a really good day and was proud of myself for being clean.
However, I'm really nervous about tomorrow's work day. 90% of my habit was typically dipping while working at my computer. I work at home most days so no one here to watch me or offend. I promise all of my Samurai that I will stay strong (and will call you if I'm challenged), but I can already feel the mental battle beginning and it isn't even tomorrow yet.
I guess, if things get rough, I will indeed take everyone's advice and go for a jog in 105 degree weather. That should beat the shit out of my craving, right?
Cheers and good vibes out to all my KTC teammates.
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I quit with you today, and you don't have to * out the u in fuck. Maybe the k, I hate the fucking k.
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I quit with you today, and you don't have to * out the u in fuck. Maybe the k, I hate the fucking k.
LOL. O*, you got it. No more fuc*ing *s. I QUIT WITH YOU BAMFQ!
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Day 5: Surprisingly, this has been the worst of the first 5 days. Headache, and really tough cravings.
"Luke, I am your father. Come to the dark side."
"Nooooooo..."
"Close your eyes Luke, let the Force guide you."
"Obewan, help me dude."
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Okay, temporary moment of 1980s insanity there. Phew. That was a bad craving. Back on track.
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KDIP just helped me through my last craving. Used his patented crave-killer involving pain resulting from slamming a body part in a desk drawer. Unconventional. Very Successful. High degree of permanent crave-killing memory.
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KDIP just helped me through my last craving. Used his patented crave-killer involving pain resulting from slamming a body part in a desk drawer. Unconventional. Very Successful. High degree of permanent crave-killing memory.
From one old dog to the other, we will make our promise everyday therefore giving our word and our word is everything we will not dip! You're doing great and dammit my friend you have support out the wahzoo! Quit on! Damn proud to be quit with you my brother!
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KDIP just helped me through my last craving. Used his patented crave-killer involving pain resulting from slamming a body part in a desk drawer. Unconventional. Very Successful. High degree of permanent crave-killing memory.
From one old dog to the other, we will make our promise everyday therefore giving our word and our word is everything we will not dip! You're doing great and dammit my friend you have support out the wahzoo! Quit on! Damn proud to be quit with you my brother!
This young pup quits with both of you old dogs today.
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Holy crap! That was really close! After 5 very manageable days, I get off the airplane and in a rental rental car and the nic bitch is giving me a total mind fuck. "Just one dip, no one will know. There. A gas station! Wouldn't it be awesome to have a dip for the long drive? Or how about one more at the hotel?"
"Yes, that would be....wait....No! Fuck you, FUck you, FUCk you, FUCK YOU."
I can't even believe it. I came so so so close to caving tonight. If I didn't have to be accountable to my family and the Samurai, I might have caved. Damn, she is a tricky bitch isn't she.
Phew. Okay. I'm still clean but that was too close. I feel like such a weakling even tho I didn't give in.
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Holy crap! That was really close! After 5 very manageable days, I get off the airplane and in a rental rental car and the nic bitch is giving me a total mind fuck. "Just one dip, no one will know. There. A gas station! Wouldn't it be awesome to have a dip for the long drive? Or how about one more at the hotel?"
"Yes, that would be....wait....No! Fuck you, FUck you, FUCk you, FUCK YOU."
I can't even believe it. I came so so so close to caving tonight. If I didn't have to be accountable to my family and the Samurai, I might have caved. Damn, she is a tricky bitch isn't she.
Phew. Okay. I'm still clean but that was too close. I feel like such a weakling even tho I didn't give in.
Hey bro. Every whisper of that bitch that you ignore makes you stronger. You get the power of accountability to your family here. Well done!
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Thanks rdad. I have to say I was really disappointed in myself. There is absolutely no logic whatsoever to want to chew. No benefit at all and I know the risks, so why the hell would I even consider dipping again? I think I know the answer but I don't like it.
It's because I'm an addict right? I hate being an addict. I don't like the word and I don't like the hit to my self esteem when I say it. But as LJT says, I am an addict and I can never forget it. So accept it and take pride in being a recovering addict.
Okay, but this is a concept that's going to take time getting my arms around.
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Thanks rdad. I have to say I was really disappointed in myself. There is absolutely no logic whatsoever to want to chew. No benefit at all and I know the risks, so why the hell would I even consider dipping again? I think I know the answer but I don't like it.
It's because I'm an addict right? I hate being an addict. I don't like the word and I don't like the hit to my self esteem when I say it. But as LJT says, I am an addict and I can never forget it. So accept it and take pride in being a recovering addict.
Okay, but this is a concept that's going to take time getting my arms around.
You are quitting the right way. The accountability here works. You are s leader in your group and on the intros. A lot of junior quitters, and veterans, have their eyes on your quit. People who immerse themselves in accountability know that they can't let themselves, much less all of those that support them or look to them for help, down.
You poisoned and mindfucked your brain for a long time. It takes time for an injury to heal. I promise renting cars gets easier.
Nice win by the way.
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Day 7. Boy it feels good to wake up and be able to report that I am 100% nic free today, especially after last night's flirtation with caving. I quit with you today. To quote CavMan, NHNNNIML
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Last night I came very close to caving. I need to record here one of the reasons I didn't, so that I can look back on it months or years from now. My daughter hid the following message in my travel case which I found right before I had the craving:
dear dad, I know it is going to be a difficult time, but I know you can do it!! You taught me to be a strong motivated woman. The only way you could teach me that is if you had the same qualities. Good luck on your trip. I love you.
Add that support to the accountability i have to my fellow BAQs on KTC, and you know why I was strong enough to win last night.
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Last night I came very close to caving. I need to record here one of the reasons I didn't, so that I can look back on it months or years from now. My daughter hid the following message in my travel case which I found right before I had the craving:
dear dad, I know it is going to be a difficult time, but I know you can do it!! You taught me to be a strong motivated woman. The only way you could teach me that is if you had the same qualities. Good luck on your trip. I love you.
Add that support to the accountability i have to my fellow BAQs on KTC, and you know why I was strong enough to win last night.
That's the way to do it! Keep building that accountability and adding to the list of reasons why you should and CAN quit. I'm 84 days into this and I'm still adding reasons why I should remain quit to a file I made in Notepad. Believe me sir, over time, this does get better. Cravings become less intense and less frequent. I'm only 84 days in, and I've gone hours without thinking about it, even a whole day without thinking about it at all.
But then the game changes. At that point, you have to keep your tools to quit nearby so you don't find yourself blindsided and forget how to deal with craves. The point is, I was and still am inspired by your decision to quit dipping! 38 years is longer than I've been alive, but there you are, kicking nicotine's ass with the best of 'em. Keep it up!
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Last night I came very close to caving. I need to record here one of the reasons I didn't, so that I can look back on it months or years from now. My daughter hid the following message in my travel case which I found right before I had the craving:
dear dad, I know it is going to be a difficult time, but I know you can do it!! You taught me to be a strong motivated woman. The only way you could teach me that is if you had the same qualities. Good luck on your trip. I love you.
Add that support to the accountability i have to my fellow BAQs on KTC, and you know why I was strong enough to win last night.
That's the way to do it! Keep building that accountability and adding to the list of reasons why you should and CAN quit. I'm 84 days into this and I'm still adding reasons why I should remain quit to a file I made in Notepad. Believe me sir, over time, this does get better. Cravings become less intense and less frequent. I'm only 84 days in, and I've gone hours without thinking about it, even a whole day without thinking about it at all.
But then the game changes. At that point, you have to keep your tools to quit nearby so you don't find yourself blindsided and forget how to deal with craves. The point is, I was and still am inspired by your decision to quit dipping! 38 years is longer than I've been alive, but there you are, kicking nicotine's ass with the best of 'em. Keep it up!
OD,
You've already figured it out. Compared to the mental withdrawal, the physical crap was easy. You will be amazed at how, over the next weeks and months, your addict brain will continue to call out to you. There's a very good article on addiction, here (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html). I look at it this way.... for 38 years you put enough of a nicotine drip into your system to kill a small rodent on a daily basis. Over that time, your brain built up a ton of dopamine receptors to feed off all that nicotine. Now the drip is shut off, and those receptors have to be rewired. They have to die. I think of them as little crazed nicotine demon bastards that are dying and in the process, generally wreaking havoc inside your head. That is the mental process you will have to overcome over the course of the next few months.
I'm not worried about your caving, though. In addition to the wonderful support you're getting from your family (at least from the daughter), you've got this accountability thing figured out. Build that web; wrap it as tight as necessary to keep you strong and safe.
Quit with you today.
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Last night I came very close to caving. I need to record here one of the reasons I didn't, so that I can look back on it months or years from now. My daughter hid the following message in my travel case which I found right before I had the craving:
dear dad, I know it is going to be a difficult time, but I know you can do it!! You taught me to be a strong motivated woman. The only way you could teach me that is if you had the same qualities. Good luck on your trip. I love you.
Add that support to the accountability i have to my fellow BAQs on KTC, and you know why I was strong enough to win last night.
That's the way to do it! Keep building that accountability and adding to the list of reasons why you should and CAN quit. I'm 84 days into this and I'm still adding reasons why I should remain quit to a file I made in Notepad. Believe me sir, over time, this does get better. Cravings become less intense and less frequent. I'm only 84 days in, and I've gone hours without thinking about it, even a whole day without thinking about it at all.
But then the game changes. At that point, you have to keep your tools to quit nearby so you don't find yourself blindsided and forget how to deal with craves. The point is, I was and still am inspired by your decision to quit dipping! 38 years is longer than I've been alive, but there you are, kicking nicotine's ass with the best of 'em. Keep it up!
OD,
You've already figured it out. Compared to the mental withdrawal, the physical crap was easy. You will be amazed at how, over the next weeks and months, your addict brain will continue to call out to you. There's a very good article on addiction, here (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html). I look at it this way.... for 38 years you put enough of a nicotine drip into your system to kill a small rodent on a daily basis. Over that time, your brain built up a ton of dopamine receptors to feed off all that nicotine. Now the drip is shut off, and those receptors have to be rewired. They have to die. I think of them as little crazed nicotine demon bastards that are dying and in the process, generally wreaking havoc inside your head. That is the mental process you will have to overcome over the course of the next few months.
I'm not worried about your caving, though. In addition to the wonderful support you're getting from your family (at least from the daughter), you've got this accountability thing figured out. Build that web; wrap it as tight as necessary to keep you strong and safe.
Quit with you today.
Read that article CavMan linked for you. It helped me and many others tons. You need to hate tobacco/nicotine. Hate it like nothing you've ever hated before. I hate the shit out of it. It helps. Fuck that shit.
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CavMan, thanks for the article. Good stuff. Awesome article! Just read it. Both fascinating and disturbing at th same time. Definitely a must read for all. And I liked ur analogy about killing a rodent every day.
CavMan, Grizzly and Invader. You guys and my other BASs make my Quit rock hard. I still contend that HOFers like you that go out of their way to support newbies like me deserve a medal. However, in the absence of a medal, you all have my sincerest gratitude.
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CavMan, thanks for the article. Good stuff. Awesome article! Just read it. Both fascinating and disturbing at th same time. Definitely a must read for all. And I liked ur analogy about killing a rodent every day.
CavMan, Grizzly and Invader. You guys and my other BASs make my Quit rock hard. I still contend that HOFers like you that go out of their way to support newbies like me deserve a medal. However, in the absence of a medal, you all have my sincerest gratitude.
Remember my friend you're never alone but you must reach out let us all help! We've all been there. You got this shit! Live it! Own it! It's yours! Mind over matter! Do this alot of people counting on you! We got this! I'm side by side with you today! Damn proud to be quit with you!
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Day 8. I am going to take invaders advice , and start building a list of the reasons I want to stay quit.
1. Health
2. Parenting by example
3. When I retire with my wife , I would rather be traveling with her than having her take care of me in a cancer ward.
4. I don't want my sweat to smell like tobacco.
5. I hate the word addict and I don't want it to define me.
6. Life and time are precious. I don't want to waste it. When I was dipping, I would waste time dipping by myself. As a quitter, I have wasted an entire seven days of time , pain and effort just in the first week. I don't want to ever go back to either of those scenarios.
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Notes for when I am at 1 year. I was just reading through the posts of the September 2014 group. It was very interesting. Many of them have decided to dedicate a substantial amount of time helping the new guys and gals in our class. At the same time, for some of them, that commitment has come at a cost. Now that they are one year into their quit , they typically do not have daily thoughts or urges for tobacco, but helping us brings it back to the forefront of their mind.
I know that their selfless commitment has helped each and every one of us in our class , and I've said it before, I think they all deserve medals. But if we are putting their quit in jeopardy, then I am really torn about what I would do in their situation if I was them.
At the end of the day, since we are all genetically different, I think each of our quit is going to take different amounts of time and have different impacts on us mentally. So, when I am at year one , I will definitely attempt to help the new guys , but if my Quit or the quit of any of my class is jeopardized, then I think we need to preserve those quits as a priority bc they are an example to all noobs and would be more damaging if they turned into caves.
Having said that, I know that my quit has been substantially stronger and long-lasting because of my involvement with my class and my effort to help others . So, for the class of 2014 , helping us probably makes their quit stronger while at the same time making it tougher to deal with.
Bottom line, like most everything else in life, it has to be a balance that works for each individual.
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Don't over think it. Just quit like fuck every damn day. If you can help some people in the process then great.
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Don't over think it. Just quit like fuck every damn day. If you can help some people in the process then great.
Right there. That is succinct and complete all in one phrase. Love it. See, that's why we need you old dogs around!
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Don't over think it. Just quit like fuck every damn day. If you can help some people in the process then great.
Right there. That is succinct and complete all in one phrase. Love it. See, that's why we need you old dogs around!
Agree with GClaws.
Here is some food for thought also, one day when you are even older than you are now but still looking for some new tricks.
I come here every day to give my word to myself and all of you that today I will not use nicotine. At this point, I think there is a 99.99999% chance that I would honor that commitment without giving my word. But with posting... there is a 100% chance that I will honor my word. Why people leave KTC is insanity defined... when you have a guaranteed insurance policy that costs nothing - you don't throw it away. Beyond that, helping newbies in the challenge helps me remember the complete and total bullshit that nicotine was in my life. It helps me remember my low oxygen levels, my high blood pressure, and my deceitfulness to those that I love. It makes me remember how hard it was to rent a car and drive in a city on a business trip without nicotine. It helps me remember those times that I sat in my room at the Waldorf, or the Plaza, or the Bellagio.... by myself getting a fix instead of enjoying the great city that I was visiting. It helps me remember the $45,000 that I selfishly spit out over my years of lying...
After beating myself up with these memories for just a few instances each day, it helps me remember that I am winning at something that I lost at every damn day for 25 years. I am winning. And so are you.
Each day, this will make more and more sense. The invisible hand theory... helping others helps yourself. But in the meantime, just enjoy winning. It is such a good feeling.
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Don't over think it. Just quit like fuck every damn day. If you can help some people in the process then great.
Right there. That is succinct and complete all in one phrase. Love it. See, that's why we need you old dogs around!
Agree with GClaws.
Here is some food for thought also, one day when you are even older than you are now but still looking for some new tricks.
I come here every day to give my word to myself and all of you that today I will not use nicotine. At this point, I think there is a 99.99999% chance that I would honor that commitment without giving my word. But with posting... there is a 100% chance that I will honor my word. Why people leave KTC is insanity defined... when you have a guaranteed insurance policy that costs nothing - you don't throw it away. Beyond that, helping newbies in the challenge helps me remember the complete and total bullshit that nicotine was in my life. It helps me remember my low oxygen levels, my high blood pressure, and my deceitfulness to those that I love. It makes me remember how hard it was to rent a car and drive in a city on a business trip without nicotine. It helps me remember those times that I sat in my room at the Waldorf, or the Plaza, or the Bellagio.... by myself getting a fix instead of enjoying the great city that I was visiting. It helps me remember the $45,000 that I selfishly spit out over my years of lying...
After beating myself up with these memories for just a few instances each day, it helps me remember that I am winning at something that I lost at every damn day for 25 years. I am winning. And so are you.
Each day, this will make more and more sense. The invisible hand theory... helping others helps yourself. But in the meantime, just enjoy winning. It is such a good feeling.
^^^^^ This Brotha right here knows what he's talking about. He has walked with me since August of 2013. That's how fast time passes when your Quitting with your buddies one day at a time. This place is what I needed. I place where I could finally find freedom. We earn it together. One day at a time.
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9 days clean after over 13,500 days dirty. Need I say more?
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9 days clean after over 13,500 days dirty. Need I say more?
Keep it up brother! I'm a tiny bit older dog who wised up a little sooner than you and I've gotta tell you, FREEDOM IS AWESOME! No matter what happens in my life now, my quit is a constant source of pride.
Quitting a 30+ year addiction is rough. Just know that you can do it, and that things will get better.
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Don't over think it. Just quit like fuck every damn day. If you can help some people in the process then great.
Right there. That is succinct and complete all in one phrase. Love it. See, that's why we need you old dogs around!
Agree with GClaws.
Here is some food for thought also, one day when you are even older than you are now but still looking for some new tricks.
I come here every day to give my word to myself and all of you that today I will not use nicotine. At this point, I think there is a 99.99999% chance that I would honor that commitment without giving my word. But with posting... there is a 100% chance that I will honor my word. Why people leave KTC is insanity defined... when you have a guaranteed insurance policy that costs nothing - you don't throw it away. Beyond that, helping newbies in the challenge helps me remember the complete and total bullshit that nicotine was in my life. It helps me remember my low oxygen levels, my high blood pressure, and my deceitfulness to those that I love. It makes me remember how hard it was to rent a car and drive in a city on a business trip without nicotine. It helps me remember those times that I sat in my room at the Waldorf, or the Plaza, or the Bellagio.... by myself getting a fix instead of enjoying the great city that I was visiting. It helps me remember the $45,000 that I selfishly spit out over my years of lying...
After beating myself up with these memories for just a few instances each day, it helps me remember that I am winning at something that I lost at every damn day for 25 years. I am winning. And so are you.
Each day, this will make more and more sense. The invisible hand theory... helping others helps yourself. But in the meantime, just enjoy winning. It is such a good feeling.
^^^^^ This Brotha right here knows what he's talking about. He has walked with me since August of 2013. That's how fast time passes when your Quitting with your buddies one day at a time. This place is what I needed. I place where I could finally find freedom. We earn it together. One day at a time.
Right here Old Dog. ..."it helps me remember that I am winning at something that I lost at every damn day for 25 years. I am winning. And so are you".
Worktowin walked with me as well from September 14 to present and his insight into the mind off a newbie is amazing. One day at a time is all it takes and all we ask brother.
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All the advice from the old dogs is keeping me going. Day 11 found me driving across Massachusetts. It was one of those drives that I normally would consume 1 or 2 cans. Guys, I was so happy.... Not 1 craving the entire day!!!
11 days clean after over 13500 dirty. Awesome!
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Coming up on 2 weeks and the mental aspect is now pretty well under control, except when I put myself in harms way, like having that extra drink at a party. I rarely drink, but when I do, it is typically socially and 2 drinks is enough to diminish my capacity to fight off the nic cravings. Haven't had any issues yet, but the risk is there, so starting today I'm going to limit my social drinking to 1 drink for each event I attend. That's my commitment to myself, documented here forever.
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The quit is strong with this one.
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The quit is strong with this one.
Quit wood!
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Coming up on 2 weeks and the mental aspect is now pretty well under control, except when I put myself in harms way, like having that extra drink at a party. I rarely drink, but when I do, it is typically socially and 2 drinks is enough to diminish my capacity to fight off the nic cravings. Haven't had any issues yet, but the risk is there, so starting today I'm going to limit my social drinking to 1 drink for each event I attend. That's my commitment to myself, documented here forever.
That is a strong quit. I need to do a better job of that
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Just read through your intro-quit-porn, and I just gotta say I'm proud of you old grey balls likes Trix. I too was a dumb-fuck, and waited until the 50's to quit. You're killing it so far, keep it up. It's a pretty fucking simple formula ... wake up, piss, post roll ... keep shit out of your mouth. Repeat. Soon you'll feel the hatred for those 38 years of pissed away days "when my balls had color to their hairs". Reach out if you need digits bro.
The beginning of your quit was 05/28/15 ... the end of your quit will be engraved on your tombstone. - Slug.go ... May 2014
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The beginning of your quit was 05/28/15 ... the end of your quit will be engraved on your tombstone.
That right there brings it all home to roost. "Your quit will be engraved on your tombstone." I love it! JQLFEDD
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Day 13 - Couldn't possibly think about caving today... didn't have time to cave... because I was rolling on the ground laughing all day. Note to self: CBird65, ChickDip, Medic, CavMan83, AshleyLynn and some of the other comedians in Live Chat today were just too damn funny. roflmao
If I didn't know this place was all about quitting' dip, I would have thought it was a comedy club breeding ground. Thanks for all the belly laughs today. Damn, my sides still hurt from from laughing. Not a craving thought all day.
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2 WEEKS STRONG
Before KTC, I used to hide in my home office, dip by myself and not see my wife often.
14 days into my Quit, with no dip, I'm still in my home office and still don't see my wife often because I spend so much time on KTC with my new Quit brothers/sisters!
Is there a quit website that I can join to deal with my KTC addiction?
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2 WEEKS STRONG
Before KTC, I used to hide in my home office, dip by myself and not see my wife often.
14 days into my Quit, with no dip, I'm still in my home office and still don't see my wife often because I spend so much time on KTC with my new Quit brothers/sisters!
Is there a quit website that I can join to deal with my KTC addiction?
^^^tell your wife exactly this. Let her know that you want her to understand fully what you are going through and that you are in the process of saving your own life. Tobacco takes 15-20 years off of users' lives. If you happen to live through those last 15-20 years they aren't enjoyable at all for tobacco users. Make sure she knows you are going through the gauntlet right now. You need her full support.
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Prior to joining this, I didn't think many people had the addiction as bad as I. We are all in the same boat here. I have seen several things that has rang so true. #1 is I rarely bought more that one can at a time because I planned to quit after that can. That has be around 20 years now. I've told people I didn't dip, because I did not have a dip in my mouth at the time, and at that time didn't plan on ever putting in another. Funny how this shit works!
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A little bit about the avatar...
Chose this one for obvious reasons. John Belushi on Saturday Night Live played a Samurai in different skits. My favorite episode: Belushi is the owner of "Samurai Bakery" and his first female customer makes the mistake of complimenting him as a "Master Baker", which Belushi acknowledges by seductively pulling his sword in and out of his hilt! Damn that guy was funny. Loved him in "Animal House" as Bluto. The avatar also reminds me to be Samurai strong in my quit so that I don't end up like Belushi, who died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin, all alone in his hotel room.
Unfortunately, I can't find Samurai Bakery on Youtube, so if anyone finds a link to it, please post.
Samurai Delicatessen
https://screen.yahoo.com/video-search/s ... 00556.html (https://screen.yahoo.com/video-search/samurai-delicatessen-000000556.html)
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Funny what this shit will do to you. 30 yrs dipping 11 days quit and sitting in my garage on the KTC forum for support. You guys are the best. I will never cave into this bitch. Fuck her. F
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Funny what this shit will do to you. 30 yrs dipping 11 days quit and sitting in my garage on the KTC forum for support. You guys are the best. I will never cave into this bitch. Fuck her. F
Dude, I am right there with you. I laugh all the time about how I've given up my dip addiction for my KTC addiction. but that's why this place is so awesome. I might hang out on the forum, visit other HOFer pages and read their stories or Live Chat....but the entire time I am NOT thinking about dip and instead I'm thinking about the reasons I don't want it anymore.
So keep on surfing. It's therapeutic.
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Funny what this shit will do to you. 30 yrs dipping 11 days quit and sitting in my garage on the KTC forum for support. You guys are the best. I will never cave into this bitch. Fuck her. F
Dude, I am right there with you. I laugh all the time about how I've given up my dip addiction for my KTC addiction. but that's why this place is so awesome. I might hang out on the forum, visit other HOFer pages and read their stories or Live Chat....but the entire time I am NOT thinking about dip and instead I'm thinking about the reasons I don't want it anymore.
So keep on surfing. It's therapeutic.
I'm with you old dog. Samurai rule bro. See ya at post roll. Late
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If you guys think this site kicks ass so much, wait until you run across one with naked pictures. 'boob'
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If you guys think this site kicks ass so much, wait until you run across one with naked pictures. 'boob'
Who needs naked when you can have all this, right here....
'leftpole' 'BanDog' 'lick me' 'poledancer' 'do it' '40' 'rightpole'
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Copied from the annals of KTC (posted by Skoal Monster):
We do understand. This habit will control you, take away your freedom, and make you lie to everyone including yourself. I never thought I could quit, but this KillTheCan site helped me tremendously. The thing is you have to use it correctly. After 219 days quit this is what I know.
1. READ everything on this site- Start with words of wisdom and the Hof speeches, and I MEAN ALL OF THEM!!! then the CANCER and QUITTER Stories. Yes every single one. This will take you a week but start reading each day until you find something you can latch onto for that day. Just like the Tom and Jenny Kern story tore you up, find something each day like it. In the beginning this is hugely helpful.
2. GET PHONE NUMBERS AND USE THEM- if I or someone else offers you their phone number I fully expect you to call me if you are struggling. Even if you just need to BS to keep your mind of dipping. It's ok!! thats why I offered it to you. I can help you stay quit if you call.
3. GIVE YOU NUMBER TO YOUR FELLOW QUITTERS- they will keep you accountable when you slack. They can text, call or E-mail your craving ass when you think your going to disappear and start dipping again. This is the first step in becoming accountable to your group and your quit. If I have your number and you haven't posted I WILL CALL OR TEXT YOU for an explanation.
4. POST POST POST!!!!! Chances are whatever crazy fucked up thing your going thru, somebody here has already been thru it. Getting fat? losing your mind? can't sleep? sleep too much? weird things going on with your yap? sunflower seeds make you feel super sexy? POST THAT SHIT UP. I can't help you or tell you its normal if you don't share. This includes when your kicking ass, beating down cravings, or totally freaking out. When you post and open yourself up to the group, you will be surprised at the strength of their support.
5. HELP who you can, when you can, how you can. Helping another is a sure way to strengthen your own quit. If you know that I am counting on you to help me stay quit, can you cave?
6. CHAT- use the chat room, I was in there every day for the first 100 days. When your having a hard time ASK FOR HELP!!!!!!!! There is a lot of pointless conversation and chit chat going on in there, but if you break in and tell people that you need help, YOU WILL GET IT. It might be a kick in the ass or a helpful push but you will get help. If you don't reach out you will get nothing in return. You are not weak for reaching out so don't be embarrassed. This is a support site use the support stupid.
7. HAVE A VOICE- the most active quitters are generally the most successful. Talk about what is working or not working for you, ask questions.
8. REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE REASON TO CAVE. Not a single one, not ever. I don't care what happens to you in the next 100 days. There is not a single scenario that will improve because you started chewing again. Chew doesn't help anything except keeping you addicted to nicotine.
9. YOU will feel like shit for the first few days and maybe even weeks. So what? That is your body expelling all the poison out of it. The pain of the initial withdrawal is referred to here as the suck. Embrace the suck, don't ever forget how shitty it is. You will only have to do it once if you can remember forever how hard it was. The SUCK is the price you pay to win your freedom from nicotine.
10. IT DOES GET BETTER EVERYDAY. You will not wake up on day 22 and be all better, you won't be all better on day 4 or 44 or 104. Each day your body heals a little bit. Your circulation comes back a little bit, your anxiety starts to ease up. Your more even tempered (that one took some time for me) Etc Etc. But here is the catch, it's like watching a plant grow. You can't see it and its slow, at some point you will realize there has been a change in how you feel, physically or emotionally but you will not be able to recognize when it happened. The best part is after a awhile controlling your addiction gets easier and the changes become larger. Quitting this poison will not only save your life, it will change your life.
This is hard so you better get tough. The tools above will make it easier to win your freedom, but only if you use them. Good luck
Skoal Monster
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Day 16. Getting easier to overrule the cravings, but I still get them all day long. It's almost a schizophrenic thing. There is definitely another voice in my head that keeps saying shit like "You have a little cotton mouth after that morning coffee. It's just a quick drive to the dip station." The good thing is that the voice was blaring like a bullhorn during Days 6-10, and now it's just a quiet Morse code tapping in the background, but still damn annoying. Probably going to be there the rest of my life. All the old timers say the same thing.....Gets easier, with greater gaps between cravings, but never ever goes away. Small price to pay to be a recovering addict and get my life back. So, I guess I'm good, and that feels great to be able to say.
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Day 16. Getting easier to overrule the cravings, but I still get them all day long. It's almost a schizophrenic thing. There is definitely another voice in my head that keeps saying shit like "You have a little cotton mouth after that morning coffee. It's just a quick drive to the dip station." The good thing is that the voice was blaring like a bullhorn during Days 6-10, and now it's just a quiet Morse code tapping in the background, but still damn annoying. Probably going to be there the rest of my life. All the old timers say the same thing.....Gets easier, with greater gaps between cravings, but never ever goes away. Small price to pay to be a recovering addict and get my life back. So, I guess I'm good, and that feels great to be able to say.
It does get easier, ODNT. Keep yourself active on here....I know you have been. Being heavily involved will help you through the cravings. Are you using anything for the oral fixation? Toothpicks, sunflower seeds, hard candy, etc.....can sure help out with the "habit" of having something in your mouth. I know you probably know that...just a reminder.
Hollar at me if you ever need anything....you're doing great.
Scott
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You've got this shit kicked Dog. If not, I'm fucked! I quit once while I was in the Air Force. I had half of a can and just put it in a drawer. I remember thinking if I couldn't quit with it close, I couldn't quit at all. The can stayed in the drawer for around a year. For some reason I pulled it out, almost completely dry, and packed the lip full. I've quit or stopped very little since then. We've got this shit DOG! 'Cheers' WE ARE DONE! 'jedisith'
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- Courage
- Benevolence or Mercy
- Politeness
- Honesty and Sincerity
- Honor
- Loyalty
- Character and Self-Control
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September Samurai Welcome Message to New Quitters
Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! Glad you joined KTC....it's the best decision I and thousands of other quitters have made, and we're hoping it will be the same for you.
I am one of your Quit brothers. Your Quit Group is determined by the month that you will achieve 100 days nicotine freedom. Together, we are going to achieve 100 days and then make our Quit last way beyond that date too.
Your Quit Group page will be your primary home in KTC. You will find all the info you need on this page to post roll and join our group. topic/11155274/#new/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11155274/#new/) Go to the instructions and read what to do. There is also a video on posting that I recommend. https://youtu.be/rBoCAiiDNyg (https://youtu.be/rBoCAiiDNyg)
Your job is to WUP EDD. Wake Up, Post roll, Every Damn Day. Honor your quit one day at a time. Just get thru today my friend...And then tomorrow morning, post roll again and repeat that every damn day. "Posting Roll" means logging into your Quit Group page and posting your name and your # of days quit every day. "Posting Roll" is our public commitment to each other that we will not have nicotine in our body for the next 24 hours. It is no different than standing up in the middle of the room, looking into the eyes of all your Quit Group brothers and sisters, and swearing on your honor, that you will be nicotine free today, and that you will neither disrespect them or yourself by violating that promise. You can do one day at a time right? That's how all of us do it here.
KTC has lots of information and resources. I strongly encourage you to explore all the vast resources of this site. Check out this link from a veteran quitter to learn how you can make this site work best for you. single/?p=9129963t=11165590 (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9129963&t=11165590)
As you know, the first few days suck, but by Day 10+, things start to get a lot easier. Drink lots of water and/or cranberry juice. Exercise and sweat out the toxins. Stay away from alcohol for the next couple weeks so it doesn't weaken your resolve. It'll take 3 days for the nicotine to physically get out of your system, and then the real mental battle starts fighting the cravings your brain's nicotine receptors so badly want. You can do this. Many of us old dogs are 30+ year dippers and are now proud to be free.
And if you need to rage, you came to the right place. We are the only friends you have that WANT you to text or call us when you're raging and pissed off during your withdrawal. LOL.
Also, people here share their cell numbers, especially during the first few weeks because I promise you that you are going to want to text or call someone when you start having a craving. It really helps to have someone in your corner at that moment. You should get lots of numbers from other Samurai and KTC members for support.
LET'S GET STARTED. Click on the following sections to expand them and learn what you need to do to achieve nicotine freedom!
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- Visit the [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55560/]Welcome Center[/url] for what you need to know.
- Be sure to introduce yourself to our community by creating your personal page in our [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/forum/55574/]Introductions[/url] forum. This can also be your public diary page.
- [url=http://www.killthecan.org/facts-figures/contract-to-give-up/]Print this contract to give up[/url]. Commit to it. Sign it. Carry It. Live it.
- Every quitter must [url=http://www.caringbridge.org/mn/tomkern/history.htm]read about Tom and Jenny Kern[/url]. Fair warning, it's emotionally tough.
- Then, dig deep and [url=http://whyquit.com/FFN/chapters/FFN_02_Law.pdf]see your addiction for what it is[/url].
- Here are some [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/10204518/1/?x=90#new]Suggested Site Settings[/url] for KTC.
- New here? Read this from a [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9129963&t=11165590]Bad-Ass Quitter[/url]!
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- This is a 100% nicotine-free forum
- COLD TURKEY is the only method here
- We do not tolerate Nicotine Replacement Therapy
- Quitters are expected to post roll every day when they wake up
- [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41]Words of Wisdom[/url], [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=9]Hall of Fame Speeches[/url], and the [url=http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=65]Hall of Legends[/url]
[/size][url=javascript:void%280%29;] - HOW TO POST ROLL - Click here to expand[/url]1. Quote the LATEST roll post.
2. Left click the bottom box
3. Ctrl + A
4. Ctrl + X
5. Left click in the top box
6. Ctrl + V
7. Add your name and number of days to the BOTTOM of the "Bad-Ass Quitters" section.
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Samurai Are Expected to Post Roll Daily @ Wake-up
PROUD TO QUIT WITH YOU TODAY.
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HALL OF FAME
dude, huge congratulations on the first big milestone! You've fought hard to get here, and today you can celebrate this huge achievement!
You have been a very instrumental leader on this site and in your group. As good as today feels - there is a lot more upside as you progress forward. One day at a time, you are really gonna like the new you!
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HALL OF FAME
dude, huge congratulations on the first big milestone! You've fought hard to get here, and today you can celebrate this huge achievement!
You have been a very instrumental leader on this site and in your group. As good as today feels - there is a lot more upside as you progress forward. One day at a time, you are really gonna like the new you!
He's right bro ... congrats on this, the first milestone of many. Pause, and take a look back at how far you've come. Enjoy the day. Then turn the fuck around and keep on quitting, because 101 is pretty damn cool too!!
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ODNT,
So much to say here, but first huge congrats on that 100!! I want to thank you for stepping up early on and becoming a huge key to this Dojo. I looked up to you from the first day I came into the Dojo and I continue to do so!!!
I have become a better person just by being quit with you and the rest of the Dojo!! I look forward to hitting the hall with you and I can't wait to make that journey to 200 with you and the rest of the Dojo!
Thanks again for everything you truly are one of the baddest quitters on this site!!!!
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I like the way you write, sir. And I'm sure you're just as proficient a reader, so you already know this stuff, but let me tell you again so I can get in the practice.
We post our promise first thing in the morning here. Some lollygaggers think it's ok to go about their day and grace us all with a status update before bed. Well what good does a promise to abstain from tobacco do you for the last couple hours of the day?
The thing I struggled with on day one was embracing becoming a man of integrity and a man of my word. I'd lied to my family and to myself for so long that I twisted it around so as to be a point of pride! How amazing and fun it was to fool everyone! I must be so clever! Only after a week or two into my quit did I appreciate what a burden the lying and sneaking had been! And life is so much more simple now. My marriage has never been stronger now that it's rid of this cancer (pun intended).
So it's simple around here:
1) Post your promise
2) Keep your promise
3) Repeat.
I'm really excited for you! The next few days especially are going to be a trial, but it only gets better after that. I'm only at day 41 and I can truly say that quitting tobacco has enriched my life immensely.
PM me as well if you need anything at all, or just want to chat.
I quit with you today, just today, one day at a time.
"...what a burden the lying and sneaking had been!" Thanks for sharing that Robb. That was exactly why I decided to quit. My daughter caught me dipping late one night when I thought everyone had gone to bed. I hid it as quickly as I could and then proceeded to lie to her face repeatedly when she questioned why I smelled like Wintergreen. I'm embarrassed to even admit it. Here was my wonderful child that I had devoted a large part of my life to ensure she got off to a great start...someone that I trust implicitly and would never lie to...and here I was undermining the relationship I had built over years and lying to her face.
For what?!? So she wouldn't see me chewing tobacco? So that I could keep killing myself without her knowing? WTF was this stuff doing to me? I realized if I kept it up, I wouldn't be around to see her grow up anyway.
And what message was I sending to my daughter? "It's okay to lie. It's okay to chew. It's okay to do something stupid as long as it makes you feel good today." When I think about the book my daughter will write in the future about "Papa's Favorite Sayings", those are not the lessons I want to be remembered for.
Ya, that was the breaking point. It makes you STUPID, plain and simple. I quit with you bro. Thank you.
PS: One of my own requirements before I joined KTC was that I had to come clean with my family first. No more lying. That was tough. I have no credibility with them now. I have to earn it back. But before I can do that, I need to stop chewing. The great news is that after all the lying, they are still behind me and encourage me to post every day. I can do this.
I posted my promise this morning. Day 2
A big thanks to the two of you for bringing up this topic. I have been hiding it for many years and this made me think of how much effort it is for me to keep my dirty little secret.
Quit Strong
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Proud of you Old Dog. Sorry I missed that 100 day event with you, but belated congrats. It's tough to keep up with all that goes on this quit house, but rest assured, I'm quit with you and the Samurai EDD. Post up with the Sultans sometime.
Old Es day 465
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
You will be missed.
Praying for you and yours.
You are a true Samurai.
A huge asset to KTC
I quit with you.
Rawls 322
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
You will be missed.
Praying for you and yours.
You are a true Samurai.
A huge asset to KTC
I quit with you.
Rawls 322
Agree. We are always here for you.
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
You will be missed.
Praying for you and yours.
You are a true Samurai.
A huge asset to KTC
I quit with you.
Rawls 322
Agree. We are always here for you.
I hate to see a good man go, but we have unforeseen things come up we must give full attention to. God bless ,I will miss you and your support! Quit on old dog!
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
You will be missed.
Praying for you and yours.
You are a true Samurai.
A huge asset to KTC
I quit with you.
Rawls 322
Agree. We are always here for you.
I hate to see a good man go, but we have unforeseen things come up we must give full attention to. God bless ,I will miss you and your support! Quit on old dog!
This is sad for me. ODNT you were the first 'newbie' in September that had more quit than me that I chased. You were the first member that I read every post that you posted. I emulated your style because I saw the respect you garnered in not only September, but also with vets that came in to support the Samurai. I wish you all the best and hope to "see" you again soon. You're the man, and keep AZ cool.
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Rock on!
Us old dogs still got some tricks.
It's called integrity and wisdom!
Time to use the wisdom on yourself. Saddle up.... let's get this done.
Retrain your brain on the Truth of the poison...
There are lies..... There is truth.
Feed on the Truth more than the lies.
The Truth will set you free.
I'm free after 38 years.
Welcome aboard the crazy train of success.
Congrats on your decision and well done posting roll.
You have any questions send me a PM.
I quit with you today.
Rawls 192
You will be missed.
Praying for you and yours.
You are a true Samurai.
A huge asset to KTC
I quit with you.
Rawls 322
Agree. We are always here for you.
I hate to see a good man go, but we have unforeseen things come up we must give full attention to. God bless ,I will miss you and your support! Quit on old dog!
This is sad for me. ODNT you were the first 'newbie' in September that had more quit than me that I chased. You were the first member that I read every post that you posted. I emulated your style because I saw the respect you garnered in not only September, but also with vets that came in to support the Samurai. I wish you all the best and hope to "see" you again soon. You're the man, and keep AZ cool.
Always heard a lot of good things about this quitter! Worst thing in this situation though is to think you've got this quit now and walk away... After as many days as I have been in here every damn day I still find myself "missing" something. Your life isn't worth the chance of going back! I can't do it ever again, but the fight is not over for me either...