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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Funktronic42 on September 21, 2013, 11:54:00 PM
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Hello! My name is pat. I've chewed for about four years now and it has made noticeable impact on my health I must say. I recently got married (two months ago) and made my most successful quit to date starting the week before my wedding. It was a seemingly ludicrous time to start but, using the nicotine patch and a mountain of chewing gum made it two months. Then I fell off the wagon. I'm not totally sure how or why. I just did it cause I wanted to I guess. now i am here to try and find the support to do it. Before I was on my own. My wife held my hand through it but since she wasn't an addict I had a hard time taking her condolences as sincere (though they were from the bottom of here heart).
I work in a world where chewing and smoking are common place and outside of work they are not so the two lives find conflict especially since I am a chewer. chewing has changed my voice so when I sing (which I love) it is harder. It is harder to stay focused when playing music now, which kills me because I love music so. And going to rehearsal for a play is a terrible endeavor when all I want is a dip but you can't act with things in your mouth and a spitty as a permanent prop.
Going to college and partying let me know that I really liked drugs. And getting hooked on pot let me know that I had a problem and tobacco let me know that I was an addict. Some people can use drugs responsibly. I am not one of those people. I want to be free from addiction.
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Welcome Pat, I'm sure the more senior people will be around shortly to give you a better intro to the site than I can. So far it sounds like you're on the right path, knowing you're an addict, having definite reasons for why you want to quit. So I wish you all the best. PM if you need anything. Lots of guys are walking in your shoes now, posting daily roll on here is the best way for you to help yourself get the support of others too.
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Pat, you are an addict and you have never quit before; rather, you took a break... God bless you that you are wise enough after a few years of slavery to want to break free! You need to read alot of the info that KTC has to offer. The WELCOME CENTER tab at the top left of your screen is the best place to start. We are a nicotine free group here so dump your tins and pitch your patches, gum, lozenges, e-pipes, etc. and quit using nicotine right now! I want you to educate yourself before you end up being a slave for a couple of decades... PM me if you need anything.
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Pat, you are an addict and you have never quit before; rather, you took a break... God bless you that you are wise enough after a few years of slavery to want to break free! You need to read alot of the info that KTC has to offer. The WELCOME CENTER tab at the top left of your screen is the best place to start. We are a nicotine free group here so dump your tins and pitch your patches, gum, lozenges, e-pipes, etc. and quit using nicotine right now! I want you to educate yourself before you end up being a slave for a couple of decades... PM me if you need anything.
Pat like B-loMatt said you never quit before. I had dozens of pauses over 4 decades, even one that lasted 3 years. Recognizing that you are an addict is the most important thing for you to recognize. Not only that but you always will be a addict. You can never have just one and you can never let your guard down. Read all you can and stay close the site getting to know your quit brothers and sisters. The brotherhood will save your life.
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Pat, you are an addict and you have never quit before; rather, you took a break... God bless you that you are wise enough after a few years of slavery to want to break free! You need to read alot of the info that KTC has to offer. The WELCOME CENTER tab at the top left of your screen is the best place to start. We are a nicotine free group here so dump your tins and pitch your patches, gum, lozenges, e-pipes, etc. and quit using nicotine right now! I want you to educate yourself before you end up being a slave for a couple of decades... PM me if you need anything.
Pat like B-loMatt said you never quit before. I had dozens of pauses over 4 decades, even one that lasted 3 years. Recognizing that you are an addict is the most important thing for you to recognize. Not only that but you always will be a addict. You can never have just one and you can never let your guard down. Read all you can and stay close the site getting to know your quit brothers and sisters. The brotherhood will save your life.
That is the thing that i have come to realize about myself in the last couple weeks. I am an addict. Pure and simple despite the intricacies. It's in my personality and my brain make up. My brother has been falling hard and fast down the meth road and combining that with all the Russel Brand interviews that I have been watching I see that i just want to be addicted to something. For me it is bigger than just nicotine, though that is the most prevalent of my fixes. I used to smoke weed daily. I go back and forth between using energy drinks daily. I go through phases where I can't take enough vitamin supplements to save my life and end up feeling like shit. I even flirt with prescription pills from time to time. Never getting helplessly hooked on any of them but wanting to. Thus becoming helpless. I am trying to come to terms with what seems to be the fact: once you are an addict you are never not an addict, you just stop using.
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
What your feeling is one of the important parts of quitting Funk. Remember how shitty you feel, embrace the suckage, then point your anger and frustration right back where it belongs.....at that poison in the can. Your feeling like this because you are a slave to cancer causing, highly addictive substance that is slowly taking your money, your time and your health.
However you are here, posting roll and getting your quit legs under you one day at a time. Hang in there, we've all been through it and I promise it gets better. You will never, ever regret a day spent quit and you never have to go through the suck again if keep going.
Proud to quit with you today!
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
What your feeling is one of the important parts of quitting Funk. Remember how shitty you feel, embrace the suckage, then point your anger and frustration right back where it belongs.....at that poison in the can. Your feeling like this because you are a slave to cancer causing, highly addictive substance that is slowly taking your money, your time and your health.
However you are here, posting roll and getting your quit legs under you one day at a time. Hang in there, we've all been through it and I promise it gets better. You will never, ever regret a day spent quit and you never have to go through the suck again if keep going.
Proud to quit with you today!
Thanks man. Proud to be quite here today. And look forward to tomorrow. Made it through the fair with three little girls that my wife and had to chase around all day with out any nicotine. Dip triggers all over the place and I did not succumb. I feel like patting myself on the back. Now I'm going to eat some chocolate.
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
Quit worrying so damn much about being an "addict" and feeling sorry for yourself for starting in the first place.
I'm a nic addict. Big fucking deal. I'm about 10,000 other things too. I don't sign my name then throw a #addict after it.
All that shit doesn't matter right now. The past is the past. You can't do shit to change it so stop focusing on it. Focus on TODAY. FUCK tomorrow and FUCK yesterday.
Post roll. Promise to quit for the day, then wake up the next day and do it again. Sounds easy, but of course its not, but it does GET easier. I promise you that. You just gotta plant your feet in the ground, decide you really want this, and get the ball rolling.
Time to take a stand. Grow some balls and get your freedom back.
You want a place to scream at people? Come at me right here bro. I gotta tell ya, I'm kind of getting this pussy ass, "woe is me, this is too hard, I was just born and addict" vibe coming from you.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Hang in there.
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Hang in there.
Lift that head up. Smile,,,, your doing it bro. One day at a time and you can have back a lot of what the poison has stolen.
I would encourage you to read what diesel wrote again. Fine words from a smart quitter. Your a lot smarter now than you were 4 days ago. A dumb ass user can be a smart ass quitter. Glad to be quit with you today.
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
Quit worrying so damn much about being an "addict" and feeling sorry for yourself for starting in the first place.
I'm a nic addict. Big fucking deal. I'm about 10,000 other things too. I don't sign my name then throw a #addict after it.
All that shit doesn't matter right now. The past is the past. You can't do shit to change it so stop focusing on it. Focus on TODAY. FUCK tomorrow and FUCK yesterday.
Post roll. Promise to quit for the day, then wake up the next day and do it again. Sounds easy, but of course its not, but it does GET easier. I promise you that. You just gotta plant your feet in the ground, decide you really want this, and get the ball rolling.
Time to take a stand. Grow some balls and get your freedom back.
You want a place to scream at people? Come at me right here bro. I gotta tell ya, I'm kind of getting this pussy ass, "woe is me, this is too hard, I was just born and addict" vibe coming from you.
Hope I'm wrong.
Diesel,
I have little bitch tendencies, you're right. The admitting of the full scale of my problem is new for me so I am just trying to work through it. Sobriety is an old concept I am re-discovering. I'm an academic, we talk about shit to an irritating degree. I know because I started to cut down trees and build fences for a living and wanted to punch myself in the face for over thinking it.
In the end I will climb mountains and cross deserts to stay quit. Don't mistake my emotional ramblings to be a sign of my immanent failure. I will wrap a noose around this nic-bitches neck and string it up for all to see and watch the crows pull out its eyes and tongue as it pleads for me to use over and over again. The part of me that bitched the most was the part that wouldn't quit and stay quit. Fuck that bulshit.
It's a pleasure to be quit with you today. Thanks for the slap.
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
Quit worrying so damn much about being an "addict" and feeling sorry for yourself for starting in the first place.
I'm a nic addict. Big fucking deal. I'm about 10,000 other things too. I don't sign my name then throw a #addict after it.
All that shit doesn't matter right now. The past is the past. You can't do shit to change it so stop focusing on it. Focus on TODAY. FUCK tomorrow and FUCK yesterday.
Post roll. Promise to quit for the day, then wake up the next day and do it again. Sounds easy, but of course its not, but it does GET easier. I promise you that. You just gotta plant your feet in the ground, decide you really want this, and get the ball rolling.
Time to take a stand. Grow some balls and get your freedom back.
You want a place to scream at people? Come at me right here bro. I gotta tell ya, I'm kind of getting this pussy ass, "woe is me, this is too hard, I was just born and addict" vibe coming from you.
Hope I'm wrong.
Diesel,
I have little bitch tendencies, you're right. The admitting of the full scale of my problem is new for me so I am just trying to work through it. Sobriety is an old concept I am re-discovering. I'm an academic, we talk about shit to an irritating degree. I know because I started to cut down trees and build fences for a living and wanted to punch myself in the face for over thinking it.
In the end I will climb mountains and cross deserts to stay quit. Don't mistake my emotional ramblings to be a sign of my immanent failure. I will wrap a noose around this nic-bitches neck and string it up for all to see and watch the crows pull out its eyes and tongue as it pleads for me to use over and over again. The part of me that bitched the most was the part that wouldn't quit and stay quit. Fuck that bulshit.
It's a pleasure to be quit with you today. Thanks for the slap.
Sounds good. Now post roll and walk the walk.
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I want to be free from addiction.
Welcome Pat! This place will help save your life if you will let it.
First, the bad news. You will always be an addict. That means you will not be able to be a casual user of nicotine. Ever. I assume that is what you want, to be quit forever right? The good news is you don't have to be a slave to your addict thoughts and behaviors. You can be quit if you follow the way it is done here and put in the effort. It does take effort, there is no magic pill to defeating your addiction. Read everything you can in the Welcome Center. PM me if I can help.
You can do this!
That is what I want. I feel most ashamed about having ever started this bullshit because now I know I have live with it forever. It kills me inside. and now that day two is in full effect I want to pull the very teeth I am trying to save out and throw them at people who don't understand. I have a splitting head ache and know that it won't go away for a long time. I'm starting to let it out on you guys here. Is there a specific place for screaming at people on this forum?
Quit worrying so damn much about being an "addict" and feeling sorry for yourself for starting in the first place.
I'm a nic addict. Big fucking deal. I'm about 10,000 other things too. I don't sign my name then throw a #addict after it.
All that shit doesn't matter right now. The past is the past. You can't do shit to change it so stop focusing on it. Focus on TODAY. FUCK tomorrow and FUCK yesterday.
Post roll. Promise to quit for the day, then wake up the next day and do it again. Sounds easy, but of course its not, but it does GET easier. I promise you that. You just gotta plant your feet in the ground, decide you really want this, and get the ball rolling.
Time to take a stand. Grow some balls and get your freedom back.
You want a place to scream at people? Come at me right here bro. I gotta tell ya, I'm kind of getting this pussy ass, "woe is me, this is too hard, I was just born and addict" vibe coming from you.
Hope I'm wrong.
Diesel,
I have little bitch tendencies, you're right. The admitting of the full scale of my problem is new for me so I am just trying to work through it. Sobriety is an old concept I am re-discovering. I'm an academic, we talk about shit to an irritating degree. I know because I started to cut down trees and build fences for a living and wanted to punch myself in the face for over thinking it.
In the end I will climb mountains and cross deserts to stay quit. Don't mistake my emotional ramblings to be a sign of my immanent failure. I will wrap a noose around this nic-bitches neck and string it up for all to see and watch the crows pull out its eyes and tongue as it pleads for me to use over and over again. The part of me that bitched the most was the part that wouldn't quit and stay quit. Fuck that bulshit.
It's a pleasure to be quit with you today. Thanks for the slap.
Sounds good. Now post roll and walk the walk.
Read and re-read what Diesel said and point your head in the direction of that way of thinking. Post roll every morning, no nic for any reason, repeat.
"Then I fell off the wagon. I'm not totally sure how or why. I just did it cause I wanted to I guess."
Breaking free of addiction is all about exerting free will. Choosing to not cave in to your addiction is hardly different than choosing not to drink a cup of antifreeze, except that your addicted brain loves nicotine and will do its f'n damndest to try and rationalize "just one chew". Be on the lookout for the head games, and make the choice to win.
PS Eat all the damn chocolate you want and definitely pat yourself on the back. This shit is simple, but it sure isn't easy.
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Read and re-read what Diesel said and point your head in the direction of that way of thinking. Post roll every morning, no nic for any reason, repeat.
"Then I fell off the wagon. I'm not totally sure how or why. I just did it cause I wanted to I guess."
Breaking free of addiction is all about exerting free will. Choosing to not cave in to your addiction is hardly different than choosing not to drink a cup of antifreeze, except that your addicted brain loves nicotine and will do its f'n damndest to try and rationalize "just one chew". Be on the lookout for the head games, and make the choice to win.
PS Eat all the damn chocolate you want and definitely pat yourself on the back. This shit is simple, but it sure isn't easy. [/QUOTE]
The energy I felt from the verbal bitch slap diesel gave was invigorating. A reminder that anything short of fanatic devotion to the quit will keep you quit. I'm looking on the forum today and seeing a lot of what I was doing (bemoaning my predicament) being met with less than a bitch slap. Then someone slapped. IT was great. That's what we all need from time to time.
Yesterday no matter where I looked in town I was not able to find the fake stuff. Any kind whatsoever. I knew they sold it in the smoke shop but wanted to avoid going there. Finally with diesels words ringing in my ears went into the poison factory and left with nothing but mint leaves in a can. I felt powerful. It was a risky move, borderline stupid. Maybe just stupid. but I took it and was rewarded not with fake chew but with the knowledge of knowing how much will power I have and how to control this bad boy. Once again. Thanks diesel.
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The way I see it your on day 4. There is some quitting going on here.
Here is what you need to do. Buy you a ticket and jump on the next plain out to the Himalayas. There is a mountain there called Mount Everest. You've heard of this right?
Climb that mountain brother. All the way to to the top!! You might need a couple oxygen tanks, the air is quite thin up there I hear. I've personally never made this journey, but this is not about me. When you get to the top breathe in that freedom friend. Take a good look at the world without nicotine running through your blood, desensitizing your feelings and blurring your vision. You are now nicotine free. Freedom,, feel it, taste it and smell it.
Now,,, I understand that Mount Everest may be a little out of the question. If you can't make the trip just walk outside your front door,, it will do. The point is start noticing life without the poison. We weren't meant to be lead around by a can of dirt. Never again for any reason. I'm quit with you today.
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Read and re-read what Diesel said and point your head in the direction of that way of thinking. Post roll every morning, no nic for any reason, repeat.
"Then I fell off the wagon. I'm not totally sure how or why. I just did it cause I wanted to I guess."
Breaking free of addiction is all about exerting free will. Choosing to not cave in to your addiction is hardly different than choosing not to drink a cup of antifreeze, except that your addicted brain loves nicotine and will do its f'n damndest to try and rationalize "just one chew". Be on the lookout for the head games, and make the choice to win.
PS Eat all the damn chocolate you want and definitely pat yourself on the back. This shit is simple, but it sure isn't easy.
The energy I felt from the verbal bitch slap diesel gave was invigorating. A reminder that anything short of fanatic devotion to the quit will keep you quit. I'm looking on the forum today and seeing a lot of what I was doing (bemoaning my predicament) being met with less than a bitch slap. Then someone slapped. IT was great. That's what we all need from time to time.
Yesterday no matter where I looked in town I was not able to find the fake stuff. Any kind whatsoever. I knew they sold it in the smoke shop but wanted to avoid going there. Finally with diesels words ringing in my ears went into the poison factory and left with nothing but mint leaves in a can. I felt powerful. It was a risky move, borderline stupid. Maybe just stupid. but I took it and was rewarded not with fake chew but with the knowledge of knowing how much will power I have and how to control this bad boy. Once again. Thanks diesel. [/QUOTE]
Strong move walking in to a tobacco shop and coming out with no tobacco.
Just proof that you have the balls and "want" to do this.
Keep vigilant and keep struttin.
You feel a little wobbly and your strut feels off...come here and reach out. We will help you. Won't always be a bitch slap either.
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Read and re-read what Diesel said and point your head in the direction of that way of thinking. Post roll every morning, no nic for any reason, repeat.
"Then I fell off the wagon. I'm not totally sure how or why. I just did it cause I wanted to I guess."
Breaking free of addiction is all about exerting free will. Choosing to not cave in to your addiction is hardly different than choosing not to drink a cup of antifreeze, except that your addicted brain loves nicotine and will do its f'n damndest to try and rationalize "just one chew". Be on the lookout for the head games, and make the choice to win.
PS Eat all the damn chocolate you want and definitely pat yourself on the back. This shit is simple, but it sure isn't easy.
The energy I felt from the verbal bitch slap diesel gave was invigorating. A reminder that anything short of fanatic devotion to the quit will keep you quit. I'm looking on the forum today and seeing a lot of what I was doing (bemoaning my predicament) being met with less than a bitch slap. Then someone slapped. IT was great. That's what we all need from time to time.
Yesterday no matter where I looked in town I was not able to find the fake stuff. Any kind whatsoever. I knew they sold it in the smoke shop but wanted to avoid going there. Finally with diesels words ringing in my ears went into the poison factory and left with nothing but mint leaves in a can. I felt powerful. It was a risky move, borderline stupid. Maybe just stupid. but I took it and was rewarded not with fake chew but with the knowledge of knowing how much will power I have and how to control this bad boy. Once again. Thanks diesel.
Strong move walking in to a tobacco shop and coming out with no tobacco.
Just proof that you have the balls and "want" to do this.
Keep vigilant and keep struttin.
You feel a little wobbly and your strut feels off...come here and reach out. We will help you. Won't always be a bitch slap either. [/QUOTE]
The slap is only necessary when I truly seem to be acting like a punk. There are parts that are genuinely hard and genuine support is needed. It's just matter learning to know the difference in each other and in ourselves. It felt good to leave there and not buy anything but mint leaves in a can. And it made me mad that the smoke shop even sold it there.
I have seen it in other places since then but it is always next to the chew and it pisses me off. The temptation is strong sometimes and it makes me wonder how many people it has claimed. Makes me want to start a tobacco free chew store. and find a way make it profitable... Damn addiction... making people money. Assholes.
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The way I see it your on day 4. There is some quitting going on here.
Here is what you need to do. Buy you a ticket and jump on the next plain out to the Himalayas. There is a mountain there called Mount Everest. You've heard of this right?
Climb that mountain brother. All the way to to the top!! You might need a couple oxygen tanks, the air is quite thin up there I hear. I've personally never made this journey, but this is not about me. When you get to the top breathe in that freedom friend. Take a good look at the world without nicotine running through your blood, desensitizing your feelings and blurring your vision. You are now nicotine free. Freedom,, feel it, taste it and smell it.
Now,,, I understand that Mount Everest may be a little out of the question. If you can't make the trip just walk outside your front door,, it will do. The point is start noticing life without the poison. We weren't meant to be lead around by a can of dirt. Never again for any reason. I'm quit with you today.
I did that this evening. While at my girls soccer practice, the wind was blowing and there was a rain storm dancing around the valley and it just smelled better. Even through the fog the world seemed a little clearer.
It could have been all the caffeine I had... But I like to think that it was good old fashioned clarity peeking through the fog.
Everest may be a stretch but I do have Mt Rainier an hour and a half drive away. Three days of hiking can have me at the summit and back too. You may have an idea going there srans. Cheers to you.
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I too have started to notice little moments when I can cut through the anxiety stress illness notice that everything is just a little brighter, a little sweeter. I believe these guys when they say this only gets better! Congrats in walking into the smoke shop to buy the fake stuff. Thats where I know I can get it here too, nothing like starting out your quit walking straight into the smoke shop, looking at everything, asking for the fake stuff. That's the level of your decision control you have over this. Quit with you today.
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I too have started to notice little moments when I can cut through the anxiety stress illness notice that everything is just a little brighter, a little sweeter. I believe these guys when they say this only gets better! Congrats in walking into the smoke shop to buy the fake stuff. Thats where I know I can get it here too, nothing like starting out your quit walking straight into the smoke shop, looking at everything, asking for the fake stuff. That's the level of your decision control you have over this. Quit with you today.
Of course it gets better, you jagaloons.
I was the biggest skeptic on this topic. In my early days when someone would assure me it would get better I would think to myself, "fuck you. It sure as hell better get better or I will hunt you down and reighn blows upon your face".
They were right. And I am too.
Keep up the good work. There's some beautiful shit coming up. I promise.
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Thanks Diesel, I'm gonna hold you to that promise because I believe it! Not just for being nic free, but I'm a big proponent of when you try to improve your life in one area it has great unintended consequences in more areas than just that one.
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Thanks Diesel, I'm gonna hold you to that promise because I believe it! Not just for being nic free, but I'm a big proponent of when you try to improve your life in one area it has great unintended consequences in more areas than just that one.
Yeah,
That is true. Already I have been experiencing butterfly effects waving out across the universe.
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Good to hear it! I'm starting to see the butterfly effects I think too.
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Hey Pat!
Very normal man, the initial fog can last a month or so, yes it's your brain adjusting to all the new oxygen it's receiving!!
Your doing great, coming up on 2 weeks of freedom. Every victory makes your quit stronger. Stay the course, post early and keep your word. Trust everyone when they tell you it keeps getting better!
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Hey Pat!
Very normal man, the initial fog can last a month or so, yes it's your brain adjusting to all the new oxygen it's receiving!!
Your doing great, coming up on 2 weeks of freedom. Every victory makes your quit stronger. Stay the course, post early and keep your word. Trust everyone when they tell you it keeps getting better!
Depression, funks, dark days . . . they're par for the course in the early days. I spent days 20-29 looking like someone stole my ice cream and my dog. Unusual fits of melancholy popped up from time to time again after that, but never as bad as the 20's, for me at least. It took time, but those re-wiring induced funks slowly become less intense, last a shorter time, and come less frequently. Remember that your brain has been used to nicotine binding to a certain set of neurotransmitters (the ones that bind to acetylcholine) for a long time. That has caused some physical and functional changes that take time to undo, but your brain is adjusting (back to normal) right now. Just hang in there.
I'm no doctor though. If you're having really dark thoughts, or depression that lasts a long time, consider seeing an MD. But what you're describing sounds like normal quitter funk. If that's what it is, I assure you that it gets better.
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Hey Pat!
Very normal man, the initial fog can last a month or so, yes it's your brain adjusting to all the new oxygen it's receiving!!
Your doing great, coming up on 2 weeks of freedom. Every victory makes your quit stronger. Stay the course, post early and keep your word. Trust everyone when they tell you it keeps getting better!
Depression, funks, dark days . . . they're par for the course in the early days. I spent days 20-29 looking like someone stole my ice cream and my dog. Unusual fits of melancholy popped up from time to time again after that, but never as bad as the 20's, for me at least. It took time, but those re-wiring induced funks slowly become less intense, last a shorter time, and come less frequently. Remember that your brain has been used to nicotine binding to a certain set of neurotransmitters (the ones that bind to acetylcholine) for a long time. That has caused some physical and functional changes that take time to undo, but your brain is adjusting (back to normal) right now. Just hang in there.
I'm no doctor though. If you're having really dark thoughts, or depression that lasts a long time, consider seeing an MD. But what you're describing sounds like normal quitter funk. If that's what it is, I assure you that it gets better.
Yes. Very normal and unfortunately very shitty.
Grind, get small. Day by day, hour by hour, even minute by minute if you have to. Things will get better.
Hang tough, bro.
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Yes, depression, and worse for me was anxiety, are both normal. But like OIB said, if it gets to be too much, get off to a doc see what he says. I have meds now, which should be fairly temporary, have wound up more at the doc dentist over the last weeks than I have in the last decade. Don't be afraid to go use those guys to help put your mind at ease, because the mental game now is the toughest!
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Ok,,, We have yoda who's screen name is FUNKtronic talking about the dark phase. Am I the only one seeying all this,, LOL..
Your doing great my friend. These were the worst part of the quit for me. I'm not one to get depressed, but yet I got really depressed, felt like the world was going to end as I Knew it.
These funks last a few days. Exercise and eating helps. I had a hard time exercising, but no problem eating. I good milk shake does wonders right after a medium well steak. Get yourself busy doing something. Sitting around is the worst thing you can do. Keep your mind busy doing something, anything. Glad to be quit with you.
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Hey Pat!
Very normal man, the initial fog can last a month or so, yes it's your brain adjusting to all the new oxygen it's receiving!!
Your doing great, coming up on 2 weeks of freedom. Every victory makes your quit stronger. Stay the course, post early and keep your word. Trust everyone when they tell you it keeps getting better!
Depression, funks, dark days . . . they're par for the course in the early days. I spent days 20-29 looking like someone stole my ice cream and my dog. Unusual fits of melancholy popped up from time to time again after that, but never as bad as the 20's, for me at least. It took time, but those re-wiring induced funks slowly become less intense, last a shorter time, and come less frequently. Remember that your brain has been used to nicotine binding to a certain set of neurotransmitters (the ones that bind to acetylcholine) for a long time. That has caused some physical and functional changes that take time to undo, but your brain is adjusting (back to normal) right now. Just hang in there.
I'm no doctor though. If you're having really dark thoughts, or depression that lasts a long time, consider seeing an MD. But what you're describing sounds like normal quitter funk. If that's what it is, I assure you that it gets better.
Yes. Very normal and unfortunately very shitty.
Grind, get small. Day by day, hour by hour, even minute by minute if you have to. Things will get better.
Hang tough, bro.
That is good to hear. It has not been permanent the whole time but I have been prone to depression before. I might want to see a doc. Nothing super dark, though. I have not had any desires to hurt myself or anybody else. I will see how it goes for a couple days and think about seeing a doctor.
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I am however now in this bit of a dark phase. I think that I may be just generally unhealthy anyway but there is this current cloud of depression hanging on me lately. Is this just another symptom of brain re-wiring?
Ok,,, We have yoda who's screen name is FUNKtronic talking about the dark phase. Am I the only one seeying all this,, LOL..
Your doing great my friend. These were the worst part of the quit for me. I'm not one to get depressed, but yet I got really depressed, felt like the world was going to end as I Knew it.
These funks last a few days. Exercise and eating helps. I had a hard time exercising, but no problem eating. I good milk shake does wonders right after a medium well steak. Get yourself busy doing something. Sitting around is the worst thing you can do. Keep your mind busy doing something, anything. Glad to be quit with you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! 'crackup'
I didn't see that. Well played sir. The force is strong in you.
I have managed to exorcise more than normal actually. Quitting is what got me started on an exorcise plan at all. Swimming is the way to go. And eating has not been a problem for me either. that's also why I have hit the pool. I'm just glad to know it is part of the package. I mean, it was a logical conclusion. I understand enough about brain chemistry and addiction to realize that that is probably the case. But to have it affirmed, is assuring.
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I had an interesting moment today in which I began getting angry at tobacco use and the industry that spawned.
It started with some severe cravings that stuck to me in the morning and held on for god knows what reason. I just started to become manic with the desire to have a high from nicotine. I went over to my daughters soccer coach who has been quitting and asked him if he had some of the NIP the GRIP substitute that he had let me try a few days earlier. I wanted to connect with a fellow quitter and get something that was close but not chew. at this point he told me that he was out and that told me that he was chewing again. he offered me some chew and I said, "No way man. I'm 15 days quit and I am not throwing that away." As I look back there may have been shame in his eyes but I also want there to be shame in his eyes.
I strolled off to the bathroom where I sat on the john thinking about how badly I wanted to dip when I shot a text off to sportsfan112 and told him about the gas station 100 yrds away and how strong my cravings were. I was close to walking over to the gas station for some chew. He reminded me of how great it would be to meet my grand children and stay healthy enough to watch them grow and how I wouldn't have that if I didn't stay quit. He talked me down and for that I am eternally grateful.
Then at half time I noticed that coach was dipping in front of the team. and I got mad. I didn't say anything then, because I didn't want to make a giant emotional scene in front of the team and all the parents so I went and told his wife to hound him and get him on this site.
but for the first time I was mad at another person for chewing. I have been telling everyone I know that chews about KTC but this time I wanted to hound this man. Chase him down and give him the business. I intend to go to the next practice and talk to him about it in a more civilized manner. When I am not ready to yell.
Then I read the story about SGT112's dad and super sad and needed to drop this all out. I feel burnt out. worn to the ground but confident in victory for not falling to the the nicifiend. Stay strong my brothers and much love to SGT and sports fan. They are true troopers.
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I had an interesting moment today in which I began getting angry at tobacco use and the industry that spawned.
It started with some severe cravings that stuck to me in the morning and held on for god knows what reason. I just started to become manic with the desire to have a high from nicotine. I went over to my daughters soccer coach who has been quitting and asked him if he had some of the NIP the GRIP substitute that he had let me try a few days earlier. I wanted to connect with a fellow quitter and get something that was close but not chew. at this point he told me that he was out and that told me that he was chewing again. he offered me some chew and I said, "No way man. I'm 15 days quit and I am not throwing that away." As I look back there may have been shame in his eyes but I also want there to be shame in his eyes.
I strolled off to the bathroom where I sat on the john thinking about how badly I wanted to dip when I shot a text off to sportsfan112 and told him about the gas station 100 yrds away and how strong my cravings were. I was close to walking over to the gas station for some chew. He reminded me of how great it would be to meet my grand children and stay healthy enough to watch them grow and how I wouldn't have that if I didn't stay quit. He talked me down and for that I am eternally grateful.
Then at half time I noticed that coach was dipping in front of the team. and I got mad. I didn't say anything then, because I didn't want to make a giant emotional scene in front of the team and all the parents so I went and told his wife to hound him and get him on this site.
but for the first time I was mad at another person for chewing. I have been telling everyone I know that chews about KTC but this time I wanted to hound this man. Chase him down and give him the business. I intend to go to the next practice and talk to him about it in a more civilized manner. When I am not ready to yell.
Then I read the story about SGT112's dad and super sad and needed to drop this all out. I feel burnt out. worn to the ground but confident in victory for not falling to the the nicifiend. Stay strong my brothers and much love to SGT and sports fan. They are true troopers.
hope you have a better day today count yesterday as victory.
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I had an interesting moment today in which I began getting angry at tobacco use and the industry that spawned.
It started with some severe cravings that stuck to me in the morning and held on for god knows what reason. I just started to become manic with the desire to have a high from nicotine. I went over to my daughters soccer coach who has been quitting and asked him if he had some of the NIP the GRIP substitute that he had let me try a few days earlier. I wanted to connect with a fellow quitter and get something that was close but not chew. at this point he told me that he was out and that told me that he was chewing again. he offered me some chew and I said, "No way man. I'm 15 days quit and I am not throwing that away." As I look back there may have been shame in his eyes but I also want there to be shame in his eyes.
I strolled off to the bathroom where I sat on the john thinking about how badly I wanted to dip when I shot a text off to sportsfan112 and told him about the gas station 100 yrds away and how strong my cravings were. I was close to walking over to the gas station for some chew. He reminded me of how great it would be to meet my grand children and stay healthy enough to watch them grow and how I wouldn't have that if I didn't stay quit. He talked me down and for that I am eternally grateful.
Then at half time I noticed that coach was dipping in front of the team. and I got mad. I didn't say anything then, because I didn't want to make a giant emotional scene in front of the team and all the parents so I went and told his wife to hound him and get him on this site.
but for the first time I was mad at another person for chewing. I have been telling everyone I know that chews about KTC but this time I wanted to hound this man. Chase him down and give him the business. I intend to go to the next practice and talk to him about it in a more civilized manner. When I am not ready to yell.
Then I read the story about SGT112's dad and super sad and needed to drop this all out. I feel burnt out. worn to the ground but confident in victory for not falling to the the nicifiend. Stay strong my brothers and much love to SGT and sports fan. They are true troopers.
So he fell off the wagon, tempted you but you stayed on hung on, awesome work yesterday bro! Proud to be quit with you today. Who knows? Maybe your daughter's soccer coach will be looking up to your example wondering just how the heck you stayed quit you'll have a great story to share that he can take some inspiration from. You got this, you're doing it. The more emotionally involved you become here with the guys friends such it's harder, if not impossible to cave. Just post roll everyday. Proud to be quit with you today.
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I just read through your Intro and Im proud to be quit with you.
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Today was the first day back into the full swing of work with a new crew. The best part about it is... None of them use tobacco. AWESOME!!!!! I almost hired them tat way. it got to the point where I was feeling a little silly with some oregon mint snuff in my mouth because why on earth did I need anything today. I didn't get rid of it because I am sure that will change tomorrow. or some day down the line. But it was a good day on the chew front.
I am tired as hell though. No amount of sleep is enough. No matter what.
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Today was the first day back into the full swing of work with a new crew. The best part about it is... None of them use tobacco. AWESOME!!!!! I almost hired them tat way. it got to the point where I was feeling a little silly with some oregon mint snuff in my mouth because why on earth did I need anything today. I didn't get rid of it because I am sure that will change tomorrow. or some day down the line. But it was a good day on the chew front.
I am tired as hell though. No amount of sleep is enough. No matter what.
Congrats brother and continue to keep those little "bug out" bags full of dip alternatives near you. I have certainly utilized mine and odd times.
Stay focused on your quit and it is great to hear that you have a dip free crew to work with now.
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Today was the first day back into the full swing of work with a new crew. The best part about it is... None of them use tobacco. AWESOME!!!!! I almost hired them tat way. it got to the point where I was feeling a little silly with some oregon mint snuff in my mouth because why on earth did I need anything today. I didn't get rid of it because I am sure that will change tomorrow.  or some day down the line. But it was a good day on the chew front.Â
I am tired as hell though. No amount of sleep is enough. No matter what.
Congrats brother and continue to keep those little "bug out" bags full of dip alternatives near you. I have certainly utilized mine and odd times.
Stay focused on your quit and it is great to hear that you have a dip free crew to work with now.
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I kind of want to try some different stuff. There are just so many fake products out there to choose from. Hard to say what is better. Some sound really delicious.
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC. He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC. He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
Congrats Pat, proud of you for using all your influence learning here to help out others, that's just awesome!
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.Â
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC. He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
Congrats Pat, proud of you for using all your influence learning here to help out others, that's just awesome!
I feel like I am almost pushing the boundary line with how persistent I am. But then I remember that I am saving lives. And I don't care. Fuck big tobacco.
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.Â
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC.  He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
Congrats Pat, proud of you for using all your influence learning here to help out others, that's just awesome!
I feel like I am almost pushing the boundary line with how persistent I am. But then I remember that I am saving lives. And I don't care. Fuck big tobacco.
Dig the passion but you may want chill a bit and worry about YOU. If someone doesn't want to quit, you cannot make them.
In the meat of my addiction, if someone came at me strong, telling to quit..."fuck you" would have been the first two words out of my mouth.
Again, it's great you are trying to edumacate these young fellas but your quits still wet and fresh. You need to focus on YOU. If you can get some guys to come along on your journey, that's great, but don't put too much energy into it. Use it for your own quit and let US mentor YOU.
Quit on...
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.Â
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC.  He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
Congrats Pat, proud of you for using all your influence learning here to help out others, that's just awesome!
I feel like I am almost pushing the boundary line with how persistent I am. But then I remember that I am saving lives. And I don't care. Fuck big tobacco.
Dig the passion but you may want chill a bit and worry about YOU. If someone doesn't want to quit, you cannot make them.
In the meat of my addiction, if someone came at me strong, telling to quit..."fuck you" would have been the first two words out of my mouth.
Again, it's great you are trying to edumacate these young fellas but your quits still wet and fresh. You need to focus on YOU. If you can get some guys to come along on your journey, that's great, but don't put too much energy into it. Use it for your own quit and let US mentor YOU.
Quit on...
I can definitely see where deisel is coming from funktronic. Your very early in your quit brother and to be honest with you it will be a little while before your head is on straight. I didn't really begin getting control of my emotions until after hof. I know you believe your helping and that is great, but you need to do you for a while. Help if you can, but don't push to hard. Quit with you brother.
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So today I spent about an hour total of my time at work, which is also the sate governments time since they are paying me, laying into tobacco and persuading the corpsmembers in my program to stop chewing and join the forum.Â
One fellow both smokes and chews. He is under the impression that he should work on quitting one addiction at a time. As though they were two totally different addictions. As though doing one at a time will help get clean from anything. For three days now I have been giving him a hard time and he I think that gears are starting to turn. I will convince him to quit soon enough.
The other young man has been on my crew before and looks up to me as a mentor. Today I saw him with a dip in his mouth and I said, "spit that crap out and try this." I threw him my can of the oregon mint chew and he looked at, shrugged threw out his copenhagen, put some mint in his mouth and said, "Mmmm. That's pretty good! Where do you get this?" I directed him to the local store and told him to join up with KTC.  He replied: "I'll look into that tonight."
I am in a position to influence young adult minds and mentor a group of five people every year. I have been taking this groups message to masses of outdoor field work. Time to help make some change.
Congrats Pat, proud of you for using all your influence learning here to help out others, that's just awesome!
I feel like I am almost pushing the boundary line with how persistent I am. But then I remember that I am saving lives. And I don't care. Fuck big tobacco.
Dig the passion but you may want chill a bit and worry about YOU. If someone doesn't want to quit, you cannot make them.
In the meat of my addiction, if someone came at me strong, telling to quit..."fuck you" would have been the first two words out of my mouth.
Again, it's great you are trying to edumacate these young fellas but your quits still wet and fresh. You need to focus on YOU. If you can get some guys to come along on your journey, that's great, but don't put too much energy into it. Use it for your own quit and let US mentor YOU.
Quit on...
I can definitely see where deisel is coming from funktronic. Your very early in your quit brother and to be honest with you it will be a little while before your head is on straight. I didn't really begin getting control of my emotions until after hof. I know you believe your helping and that is great, but you need to do you for a while. Help if you can, but don't push to hard. Quit with you brother.
I hear ya. Today at work I backed off already. this kid has expressed for a long time that he wants to quit and needs to quit so for a couple of days I pushed really hard. But you are right. This program won't work for someone that doesn't decide for themselves to join. It comes from within.
I put the tools in front of him and just need to let him choose them for himself.
I guess the amount of success that I have had here has made me feel like I am invincible. I have never felt this good when I have tried to quit. I mean the suck is always knocking on my brain in one fashion or another, but when I look at the whole thing I feel like a whole new person. Capable of more than I ever imagined. I am losing some humility I guess.
If someone wants to quit, offer tools. Don't force them. And 20 days isn't many when I share words with men that have 400+ under their belt.
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Copenhagen NEVER had anything to do with you skillfully running a chainsaw.
You just THINK it did. You brainwashed yourself into thinking it did. Hell everyone on this site thought chew was responsible for our ability to do or enjoy certain things.
That's bullshit.
The only reason we think/thought that way is because we were addicted to nicotine and we needed to fill the supposed void and relieve the withdrawal pangs that our addiction created.
Nicotine fills NO voids, it creates them. Try to remember that.
Ability does not come in a can. Concentration does not come in a can. Relaxation does not come from a can. Courage does not come in a can. That all comes from within. How else do you explain how non users function and live happy productive lives?
I know its hard but try and wrap your brain around the FACT that chew NEVER made any aspect of your life better and did nothing to help you concentrate or calm your nerves. In fact it was methodically destroying them. One of the great things about freeing yourself from this slavery will be the the return of your confidence and self assurance. I think you felt a little of that today. That is AWESOME. The better news is that as time goes on you will realize it more and more.
Keep it up!
Stay quit...
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Copenhagen NEVER had anything to do with you skillfully running a chainsaw.
You just THINK it did. You brainwashed yourself into thinking it did. Hell everyone on this site thought chew was responsible for our ability to do or enjoy certain things.
That's bullshit.
The only reason we think/thought that way is because we were addicted to nicotine and we needed to fill the supposed void and relieve the withdrawal pangs that our addiction created.
Nicotine fills NO voids, it creates them. Try to remember that.
Ability does not come in a can. Concentration does not come in a can. Relaxation does not come from a can. Courage does not come in a can. That all comes from within. How else do you explain how non users function and live happy productive lives?
I know its hard but try and wrap your brain around the FACT that chew NEVER made any aspect of your life better and did nothing to help you concentrate or calm your nerves. In fact it was methodically destroying them. One of the great things about freeing yourself from this slavery will be the the return of your confidence and self assurance. I think you felt a little of that today. That is AWESOME. The better news is that as time goes on you will realize it more and more.
Keep it up!
Stay quit...
What you say is true. My wife and I were talking about my stress levels since I have been quit. She has noticed that I have been better at coping with the stresses of everyday life since I quit. I have had fewer anxiety problems. All around I have been mentally healthier since quitting.
Chew made me less awesome everything.
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
It's just the culture around it. When running a saw you are expected to dip. everyone does it. It's the whole lemur and cliff scenario all over again. I wanted to be cool to all the people that ran saws so I jumped off a bridge with them. It was actually easier physically because I wasn't so damn thirsty all the time.
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Screw Cool. i bet they wont think its cool when your still cutting down trees with the saw and they are laid up in the hospital bed with half their face missing. You keep up the good fight and dont cave to peer pressure tell peer pressure to F... off and die aint nobody got time for that. I commend you on your fight and if i can help in any way let me know.
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Screw Cool. i bet they wont think its cool when your still cutting down trees with the saw and they are laid up in the hospital bed with half their face missing. You keep up the good fight and dont cave to peer pressure tell peer pressure to F... off and die aint nobody got time for that. I commend you on your fight and if i can help in any way let me know.
Keep your quit and soon enough you will be their hero (paraphrasing srans). No nic addict with a brain is actually proud of it. I'm thrilled to see you kicking ass Funk!
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
It's just the culture around it. When running a saw you are expected to dip. everyone does it. It's the whole lemur and cliff scenario all over again. I wanted to be cool to all the people that ran saws so I jumped off a bridge with them. It was actually easier physically because I wasn't so damn thirsty all the time.
I'm amazed at how many different 'groups' there are that self identify with dipping as a cultural thing. Chainsaw operators is a new one on me, but I'll believe it. Oilfield workers of all stripes? That was me. But there's lawyers, businessmen, firefighters, cops, military, ag, I mean the list just goes on of groups that identify dipping as a cultural thing to them. In the end though it's an individual choice to use and an individual choice to be quit. Proud to quit with you today Pat.
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
It's just the culture around it. When running a saw you are expected to dip. everyone does it. It's the whole lemur and cliff scenario all over again. I wanted to be cool to all the people that ran saws so I jumped off a bridge with them. It was actually easier physically because I wasn't so damn thirsty all the time.
I'm amazed at how many different 'groups' there are that self identify with dipping as a cultural thing. Chainsaw operators is a new one on me, but I'll believe it. Oilfield workers of all stripes? That was me. But there's lawyers, businessmen, firefighters, cops, military, ag, I mean the list just goes on of groups that identify dipping as a cultural thing to them. In the end though it's an individual choice to use and an individual choice to be quit. Proud to quit with you today Pat.
and I with you mike. It just goes to show the prevalence of the addiction. When gone unchecked by the people it become part of the group. Just alcohol in Ireland and opium in ancient China. America has tobacco and fast food... among other things I guess.
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
It's just the culture around it. When running a saw you are expected to dip. everyone does it. It's the whole lemur and cliff scenario all over again. I wanted to be cool to all the people that ran saws so I jumped off a bridge with them. It was actually easier physically because I wasn't so damn thirsty all the time.
I'm amazed at how many different 'groups' there are that self identify with dipping as a cultural thing. Chainsaw operators is a new one on me, but I'll believe it. Oilfield workers of all stripes? That was me. But there's lawyers, businessmen, firefighters, cops, military, ag, I mean the list just goes on of groups that identify dipping as a cultural thing to them. In the end though it's an individual choice to use and an individual choice to be quit. Proud to quit with you today Pat.
and I with you mike. It just goes to show the prevalence of the addiction. When gone unchecked by the people it become part of the group. Just alcohol in Ireland and opium in ancient China. America has tobacco and fast food... among other things I guess.
Hmm you make a real interesting point about the power of the group to accept be prevalent with an addiction. Kinda like KTC, the group can be very powerful indeed! Either sanctioning or vilifying a behavior. Here hopefully we're all using the power for good to help each other along in our quits!
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Another great victory for me today. I ran a chainsaw for most of the day was not compelled too heavily to want tobacco in my mouth. I sawed fast, smart and skillfully and Coppenahgen had nothing to do with it. I was worried about how bad it would affect me to not have chew but the fact that I had some smokey mt in there took my mind right off of it and focusing on sawing. Super cool.
Right on! Amazing how power equipment of all things doesn't seem to function unless it's operator has a lip full. Amazing the stuff you have to relearn, like cutting the grass. Or using a chainsaw. Enjoy today's victory!
It's just the culture around it. When running a saw you are expected to dip. everyone does it. It's the whole lemur and cliff scenario all over again. I wanted to be cool to all the people that ran saws so I jumped off a bridge with them. It was actually easier physically because I wasn't so damn thirsty all the time.
I'm amazed at how many different 'groups' there are that self identify with dipping as a cultural thing. Chainsaw operators is a new one on me, but I'll believe it. Oilfield workers of all stripes? That was me. But there's lawyers, businessmen, firefighters, cops, military, ag, I mean the list just goes on of groups that identify dipping as a cultural thing to them. In the end though it's an individual choice to use and an individual choice to be quit. Proud to quit with you today Pat.
and I with you mike. It just goes to show the prevalence of the addiction. When gone unchecked by the people it become part of the group. Just alcohol in Ireland and opium in ancient China. America has tobacco and fast food... among other things I guess.
Hmm you make a real interesting point about the power of the group to accept be prevalent with an addiction. Kinda like KTC, the group can be very powerful indeed! Either sanctioning or vilifying a behavior. Here hopefully we're all using the power for good to help each other along in our quits!
I think that we are. I have benefited greatly and even people that may be upset with us but stick with us are still quit. That's a big deal. unfortunately, the beauty of the American system is also a downfall in the system. Our market is free for all of us to choose as we see fit. We have the freedom to get addicted. I am glad to be able to choose but wish I never had the choice.
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Never Again For Any Reason... HOWEVER, I like to think of it as Not Any For Any Reason. "Never Again" kind of flies in the face of ODAAT. Badass Quitter Derk likes NTFAR Not Today For Any Reason.
Keep going, man, your'e doing great. Not Today For Any Reason, and you will be free. I'll see you tomorrow on roll.
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Yes. My therapist said I was anxious about anxiety. It is very hard however, NOT to think about.
Hang in there, bro. Don't try and be Mr. Macho. If it get real bad, go see someone. No shame in it.
Quit on...
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Yes. My therapist said I was anxious about anxiety. It is very hard however, NOT to think about.
Hang in there, bro. Don't try and be Mr. Macho. If it get real bad, go see someone. No shame in it.
Quit on...
Well, I think that seeing someone in the near future is for me. I had a major anxiety attack last night spurred on by the fact that we had a sick kid at home and neither of us could afford to miss work and no one was able to baby sit. I slowly went crazy and couldn't handle anything. So I going to look into the whole thing today.
-
So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Yes. My therapist said I was anxious about anxiety. It is very hard however, NOT to think about.
Hang in there, bro. Don't try and be Mr. Macho. If it get real bad, go see someone. No shame in it.
Quit on...
Well, I think that seeing someone in the near future is for me. I had a major anxiety attack last night spurred on by the fact that we had a sick kid at home and neither of us could afford to miss work and no one was able to baby sit. I slowly went crazy and couldn't handle anything. So I going to look into the whole thing today.
Great job on your quit friend. Realize your very early in your quit. It is really rough for the first 3 or 4 weeks. If you need to get checked out do it. Like we always say,, do whatever you need to do to keep the poison out.
I experienced anxiety quite a bit during the early days of my quit. Your head is going through a lot of changed right now. It is receiving the proper amount of oxygen, which it hadn't seen in years. You screwed your brain for years and now it is finally able to do something it hasn't been able to in years. HEAL!! It is actually thanking you.
You have been dealing with all of life's problems and daily activities with nicotine dulling your feelings and desensitizing your emotions. Welcome to real life. Welcome to freedom. Welcome to a life without the poison.
After time you will be surprised at how much better you handle situations and life's problems. I have found that things that use to stress me out no longer have that affect. I found that nicotine caused a lot of my stress. I have been in some pretty stressful situations and I can't believe how much different I feel and handle things. Life without the poison is so much better.
Read everything you can on nicotine and addiction. Learn your enemy. It will help you. Settle in, take some breaths and take it one minute at a time. You will do this. In time you will look back at all this and thank yourself for hanging in there.
Quitting comes from deep. Dig deep,,, you got this!!!
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So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Yes. My therapist said I was anxious about anxiety. It is very hard however, NOT to think about.
Hang in there, bro. Don't try and be Mr. Macho. If it get real bad, go see someone. No shame in it.
Quit on...
Well, I think that seeing someone in the near future is for me. I had a major anxiety attack last night spurred on by the fact that we had a sick kid at home and neither of us could afford to miss work and no one was able to baby sit. I slowly went crazy and couldn't handle anything. So I going to look into the whole thing today.
Do what you gotta do.
Ill say this...going back to the can won't help, it will make matters worse.
Before I joined the site I had a panic attack that landed me in the hospital because I had a sore on my lip that I was convinced was the big C.
Luckily it wasn't but I decided to quit.
In the time between that hospital visit and finding this site I had major anxiety and said "fuck it" and bought a tin, loaded up my lip and just kind of waited to feel "normal" again.
It didn't happen. Dip don't have that kind of power.
That's when I knew I was in for some serious shit. I was in no mans land. Damned if I quit and damned if I didnt.
I didn't know if I was coming or going when I first quit. All I knew was that I REALLY wanted to quit and would do ANYTHING to do it.
Therapy and meds were two of the many tools I used, and Im not ashamed of it.
-
So I have been doing a lot of research on anti-anxiety medications and non-medicated treatment techniques for people with anxiety. I am quite certain that I have an anxiety problem of some degree. That was one of my excuses for dipping all the time.Â
In the end I have found that I am much better at handling stress and anxiety when I am not dipping. But after a couple of small anxiety attacks(which I have had on and off for a long period in my life) and the revelation that many of my family members have anxiety or depression disorders I have been wondering if I need help from a professional.Â
I have seen that some people have gone on drugs temporarily until their brains mellow out. Since my brain re-wiring is going well in that regard I was intending to let it go for a while and see how it ends up. For those that are checking in on my introduction from time to time: What are your thoughts.
I'm on day 506 and still take anti anxiety meds. Never had a lick of anxiety until I quit. Didn't even know what it was.
When I quit my body literally went haywire. I was scared shitless. I left the site and went and saw a counselor and a shrink.
Later it was determined I was depressed and was suffering from extreme anxiety, both because of my quit.
I was put in a daily dose of anti depression meds and took anti anxiety meds as needed.
They worked wonders for me. I came off and and am still off the anti depression meds, but ill be damned if I can shake this anxiety. I'm not having any kind of attacks, just lingering dull ANNOYING anxiety.
I meet with a counselor to discuss why, and at this point she concluded its no longer due to missing nicotine, but more so a problem of living life.
I never really learned deal with the added stressers in my life that came along while I dipped, my plate was pretty empty when I started. Add a wife, a mortgage, a "real" job, one kid, two kid, and everything that goes along with it, you need to adjust your stress coping skills.
I leaned on chewing, but I didn't have to. That was bullshit. I want proof of that, I look at my wife. Her plate was empty too, but when life started getting "real" she didn't need nicotine to cope. Her body adjusted the way it was intended to. Same with my brother who had kids around the same time and millions of others who go through life non dependant on nicotine.
As I sit today I think "506 days quit...why the fuck do you still have anxiety????". It pissed me off and is annoying as hell.
Its not nearly as bad as it once was, but its still there and its annoying. I've continued to meet with a counselor and have tried all the techniques for eliminating it, but I can't.
I meet with my shrink next Tuesday to go over my medications. What I have now is more for emergencies to stop the onset of a panic or anxiety attack, a quick fix if you will.
We are going to talk about something long term, almost like an antibiotic that I might just take daily.
It sucks, and I hate being on meds, but if thats what it takes then that's what I will do. I cheated on my "life exam" and am still paying for it. I don't mind as its better than paying the ultimate price...death. Ill pop a pill once a day if I have to. Its better than stuffing 2 tins of Kodiak in it each day.
My advice to YOU is to take it one day at a time. If you think you can handle it and non medicated techniques are working for you, then keep it going. If not, and you start to feel overwhelmed, then don't try to "tough it out", go see a professional. You'd be surprised how much simply talking to a professional helps, and if you need an assist for awhile in the form of a pill...so what. Their are worse things in the world.
This is MY take on it. I know others feel different and have beaten the anxiety thing without meds, but I'm just giving you MY open and honest experience.
Sorry this is so long and I did not mean to hijack your intro but this is a very important subject to me, and I will always feel obligated to share MY experiences because it is something I REALLY struggled with and still am to a lesser degree. It's my sincere hope that SOME part of what I shared can help you.
Quit on...
hey Funk, Follow Diesels' solid experience and thoughts. The truth is in him!
NAFAR and ODAAT with or without meds. :-)
That's kind of what I have been thinking. I also wonder if I am not making it worse by thinking too much about it. Getting myself worked up.
What is NAFAR? I haven't seen that one before.
Yes. My therapist said I was anxious about anxiety. It is very hard however, NOT to think about.
Hang in there, bro. Don't try and be Mr. Macho. If it get real bad, go see someone. No shame in it.
Quit on...
Well, I think that seeing someone in the near future is for me. I had a major anxiety attack last night spurred on by the fact that we had a sick kid at home and neither of us could afford to miss work and no one was able to baby sit. I slowly went crazy and couldn't handle anything. So I going to look into the whole thing today.
Do what you gotta do.
Ill say this...going back to the can won't help, it will make matters worse.
Before I joined the site I had a panic attack that landed me in the hospital because I had a sore on my lip that I was convinced was the big C.
Luckily it wasn't but I decided to quit.
In the time between that hospital visit and finding this site I had major anxiety and said "fuck it" and bought a tin, loaded up my lip and just kind of waited to feel "normal" again.
It didn't happen. Dip don't have that kind of power.
That's when I knew I was in for some serious shit. I was in no mans land. Damned if I quit and damned if I didnt.
I didn't know if I was coming or going when I first quit. All I knew was that I REALLY wanted to quit and would do ANYTHING to do it.
Therapy and meds were two of the many tools I used, and Im not ashamed of it.
With success such as yours, how can you be ashamed.
My resolve remains unshaken. I drove a co-workers truck for a bit today and he had two almost full cans of dip sitting in the cup holder and I could smell it. It wasn't even intoxicating to me. I just didn't want it. Couldn't bear the thought of it being in my lip or even the taste of it.
I will not cave.
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I have been doing a lot of research into herbal remedies for stress and anxiety and have happened upon gensing and kava kava among some other things. pretty good stuff. Kava, apparently behaves very much like the Benzodiazepine class of ant-anxiety meds. good stuff.
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The last couple of weeks I have been experiencing random moments of complete and utter sadness. A massive depression that I haven't felt since I was a teenager flailing through life as a ball of hormonal shifts. Having your brain re-wire itself after addiction is a lot like being a teenager again. Everyone is judging me and I can't talk to girls and my parents just don't understand.
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The last couple of weeks I have been experiencing random moments of complete and utter sadness. A massive depression that I haven't felt since I was a teenager flailing through life as a ball of hormonal shifts. Having your brain re-wire itself after addiction is a lot like being a teenager again. Everyone is judging me and I can't talk to girls and my parents just don't understand.
Go talk to a professional, my man. It can't hurt anything and I hate to see you feeling this way, because I was there myself. I know the misery.
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Hey Funk definitely go talk to a professional. I have helped alot of my friends that have gone down the depression road and it was not pretty. The main thing i can tell you is that do not go down this road alone. Have a person you trust to talk to that you can confide in and talk to them. that is one of the main keys to recovering from depression is talking to someone. IF i can help let me know. This fight is the best thing you have done in your life and dont let depression be the reason you cave. Your stronger than this and you can make it. I know cause i made it off that road before.
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Hey Funk definitely go talk to a professional. I have helped alot of my friends that have gone down the depression road and it was not pretty. The main thing i can tell you is that do not go down this road alone. Have a person you trust to talk to that you can confide in and talk to them. that is one of the main keys to recovering from depression is talking to someone. IF i can help let me know. This fight is the best thing you have done in your life and dont let depression be the reason you cave. Your stronger than this and you can make it. I know cause i made it off that road before.
The strangest part is that it is only every once in a while. There will be this overwhelming wave of sadness that will crash into me and then after a few minutes it will pass and nothing will feel any different. Sometimes it lasts for 30 seconds, sometimes it lasts for 15 minutes. But that getting coupled on top of the added anxiety that has been growing over the last few weeks has been crazy in my brain. Is this a common experience amongst quitters?
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Hey Funk definitely go talk to a professional. I have helped alot of my friends that have gone down the depression road and it was not pretty. The main thing i can tell you is that do not go down this road alone. Have a person you trust to talk to that you can confide in and talk to them. that is one of the main keys to recovering from depression is talking to someone. IF i can help let me know. This fight is the best thing you have done in your life and dont let depression be the reason you cave. Your stronger than this and you can make it. I know cause i made it off that road before.
The strangest part is that it is only every once in a while. There will be this overwhelming wave of sadness that will crash into me and then after a few minutes it will pass and nothing will feel any different. Sometimes it lasts for 30 seconds, sometimes it lasts for 15 minutes. But that getting coupled on top of the added anxiety that has been growing over the last few weeks has been crazy in my brain. Is this a common experience amongst quitters?
It's not uncommon.
Some people quit and never have to deal with any anxiety. Others, like myself, get blind sided by it.
It sucks, no doubt about it.
Not to beat a dead horse, but if it continues, at the least go to your regular doctor and tell him what's going on.
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I am in the same boat with you Funk. I have been getting the random waves of sadness (one minute fine, next i feel sad for some unknown reason). Started/Peaked for me about two weeks ago (around day 50) when i believe i was going through round #2 (50-70 funk), doc gave me some Xanax to get me by and also put me on Wellbutrin (lowest dose they have). Not sure if i needed the Wellbutrin or not, but I took them anyway in case what i was feeling was gonna last longer than a few days.
I am on day 12 of the Wellbutrin but I am not sure if they have kicked in or not. I was told they take about two weeks or more to kick in but i started to feel better after the first couple of days (could have been a placebo effect). I may have gotten through a rough patch on my own (plus a couple days of Xanax). Not gonna risk it, going to ride out the wellbutrin at least for a couple months.
I was totally surprised at the way i was feeling because life is good for me right now and had no reason to be sad. Mentally i felt fine, but physically i felt sad. Just wanted to curl up in the fetal position in bed and go to sleep, and had no reason too!
Couple that with a little paranoia; am I dieing? this can't be part of the quit? is this "random issue/symptom" part of it? is something else wrong?
I know everybody keeps saying "that this too shall pass" but it is hard to convince yourself that and your mind wanders and you think yourself into trouble. But it will!!!!!
Day 64 and still quit, regardless of any crap the bitch tries to pull!
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I am in the same boat with you Funk. I have been getting the random waves of sadness (one minute fine, next i feel sad for some unknown reason). Started/Peaked for me about two weeks ago (around day 50) when i believe i was going through round #2 (50-70 funk), doc gave me some Xanax to get me by and also put me on Wellbutrin (lowest dose they have). Not sure if i needed the Wellbutrin or not, but I took them anyway in case what i was feeling was gonna last longer than a few days.
I am on day 12 of the Wellbutrin but I am not sure if they have kicked in or not. I was told they take about two weeks or more to kick in but i started to feel better after the first couple of days (could have been a placebo effect). I may have gotten through a rough patch on my own (plus a couple days of Xanax). Not gonna risk it, going to ride out the wellbutrin at least for a couple months.
I was totally surprised at the way i was feeling because life is good for me right now and had no reason to be sad. Mentally i felt fine, but physically i felt sad. Just wanted to curl up in the fetal position in bed and go to sleep, and had no reason too!
Couple that with a little paranoia; am I dieing? this can't be part of the quit? is this "random issue/symptom" part of it? is something else wrong?
I know everybody keeps saying "that this too shall pass" but it is hard to convince yourself that and your mind wanders and you think yourself into trouble. But it will!!!!!
Day 64 and still quit, regardless of any crap the bitch tries to pull!
Sometimes you need an assist to get you through. If it comes in pill form, so be it.
I think I had anxiety issues but used to use Kodiak to cope with it.
Take away the Kodiak and WHAMO, I was feeling shit I didn't even know was possible.
I thought I was going nuts, literally. I honestly was very scared, terrified in fact.
But with the assists from the meds, talking to a professional, the support of my wife, TIME, and of course the peeps on this site, I was able to feel "normal" again.
I still do have some anxiety, but so do millions of other "normal" Americans.
I feel great, I'm just still learning to cope with the anxiety of every day life without my Kodiak crutch.
Maybd that's the pennance I have to pay for 15 years of abuse, or maybe its just a normal part of life. Either way its much better than it was and something I know I will beat.
Quit on....
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I am in the same boat with you Funk. I have been getting the random waves of sadness (one minute fine, next i feel sad for some unknown reason). Started/Peaked for me about two weeks ago (around day 50) when i believe i was going through round #2 (50-70 funk), doc gave me some Xanax to get me by and also put me on Wellbutrin (lowest dose they have). Not sure if i needed the Wellbutrin or not, but I took them anyway in case what i was feeling was gonna last longer than a few days.
I am on day 12 of the Wellbutrin but I am not sure if they have kicked in or not. I was told they take about two weeks or more to kick in but i started to feel better after the first couple of days (could have been a placebo effect). I may have gotten through a rough patch on my own (plus a couple days of Xanax). Not gonna risk it, going to ride out the wellbutrin at least for a couple months.
I was totally surprised at the way i was feeling because life is good for me right now and had no reason to be sad. Mentally i felt fine, but physically i felt sad. Just wanted to curl up in the fetal position in bed and go to sleep, and had no reason too!
Couple that with a little paranoia; am I dieing? this can't be part of the quit? is this "random issue/symptom" part of it? is something else wrong?
I know everybody keeps saying "that this too shall pass" but it is hard to convince yourself that and your mind wanders and you think yourself into trouble. But it will!!!!!
Day 64 and still quit, regardless of any crap the bitch tries to pull!
Sometimes you need an assist to get you through. If it comes in pill form, so be it.
I think I had anxiety issues but used to use Kodiak to cope with it.
Take away the Kodiak and WHAMO, I was feeling shit I didn't even know was possible.
I thought I was going nuts, literally. I honestly was very scared, terrified in fact.
But with the assists from the meds, talking to a professional, the support of my wife, TIME, and of course the peeps on this site, I was able to feel "normal" again.
I still do have some anxiety, but so do millions of other "normal" Americans.
I feel great, I'm just still learning to cope with the anxiety of every day life without my Kodiak crutch.
Maybd that's the pennance I have to pay for 15 years of abuse, or maybe its just a normal part of life. Either way its much better than it was and something I know I will beat.
Quit on....
I think that I will make an appointment with my doctor for this friday. I did find an interesting thing last night while cruising NETFLIX. Ever heard of TED talks?
Here are some Life Hacks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZluriQUzE&list=PLNoq47wYQZMAkB1H0bjhhUiXLgVRwg1__)
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Now lets sing a song, sing it strong
climb up to the mountain top and ring out the gong
from kaiju bay all the way to hong kong
let it climb out your throat so you can sing along
I won't quit, I won't quit
I won't quit being a quitter
Every single day, let it reign
let the whole world see how we've shed all the pain
break the slavery break away all the chains
let our smiles glisten out wash away the stains, we say
I won't quit, I won't quit
I won't quit being a quitter
...(add your verse)
I started this song poem/song I was working on in the jackwagins facebook page and thought I would throw it out here to anyone that wants to add on.
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Awesome perspectives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZluriQUzE&list=PLNoq47wYQZMAkB1H0bjhhUiXLgVRwg1__)
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Been away awhile.
There is a little bit of shame attached to missing days of role. I was amongst the few that had had 100% role call and making that title go away is a bit sad. From there it has snowballed. I keep missing days. Part of that is frankly due to the fact that I have not had internet access for a few days so I forgot all about it for a while and would have missed more days were it not for Ron Cross checking in on me and post role on my behalf.
My hat tips to you sir.
I have lost the title and some of the identity that goes along with being a 100%er but have not lost the strength of being a KTC quitter. My brothers have checked in on me and I am thankful for that. I am still strong as a result.
Half way to HOF!!!!!!!!!
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So I broke the promise of daily check ins to all my quit brothers. I am sorry for not keeping my end of the bargain. There is a great deal of thanks to go to Ron cross again. A true champion of the quitting world and my boy Jonas. The two of you have kept me honest in times of weakness.
Why was I gone?
No real good reason, to be honest. i have been doing great with my quit and feel well in control of it most days and there came a time when the priorities of my real life took greater precedence in my mind than posting roll daily. I could have made the time easily enough or set alarms to help me remember but I just didn't do it. For that I am sorry.
Regularly you were all on my mind and I still refer those who want to quit to your aid and wisdom.
I will not likely continue to post roll for the two hundred days will certainly check in to the site when time and memory permit. Thanks to you all and it has been a pleasure quitting with you.
10 more days till the big 100
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So I broke the promise of daily check ins to all my quit brothers. I am sorry for not keeping my end of the bargain. There is a great deal of thanks to go to Ron cross again. A true champion of the quitting world and my boy Jonas. The two of you have kept me honest in times of weakness.
Why was I gone?
No real good reason, to be honest. i have been doing great with my quit and feel well in control of it most days and there came a time when the priorities of my real life took greater precedence in my mind than posting roll daily. I could have made the time easily enough or set alarms to help me remember but I just didn't do it. For that I am sorry.
Regularly you were all on my mind and I still refer those who want to quit to your aid and wisdom.
I will not likely continue to post roll for the two hundred days will certainly check in to the site when time and memory permit. Thanks to you all and it has been a pleasure quitting with you.
10 more days till the big 100
Glad to see you post that you are still quit. Why would you not want to post roll daily with us? Or at least post with us the majority of time? If you need, you can always text me, Ron, Doc, Gdub, Mattyf, Gosioux, or any other quit brother and get them to post roll for you for that day.
Personally, I hope you reconsider and start back posting roll. There are so many fascinating and interesting people here at KTC.
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First off bro, thanks for up dating and letting us know how your doing. Second, PM me your digits so we can stay in touch. Third, thanks for just putting the truth out there. And since we are being truthful, I'd like to respond. Statistically, you chances of failure far out weigh your chances of success if you stop posting. Sorry. That's just the way it is. You know the deal here at KTC, it's because we care when we say, your deceiving your self. Your first intro post you admitted coming here because you were not able to quit on your own. You also said that you loved to sing and chewing had already affected that. What if you lost your tongue to chewing. Or another part of your face had to e surgically removed to rid your body of cancer. Or your end up with one of those pretty neck holes. That will draw an audience. I've never actually seen anyone sing through one of those holes. Listen. I'm not trying to be mean. But bro, from the outside looking in, just looks like your really not serious. I encourage you to reevaluate your quit. Being back on day one would really suck. And you don't want to go back to day one just so you can join a new quit group and have another opportunity to post role 100%. The important thing here is to be quit 100%. Nut up and keep posting role just like your buddies are doing.
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Beginning of the end right here. Damn, why walk away from something that works.
Go read wastepanels's thread page 1 to present. Stop what you are doing and read it now.
I strongly urge you to reconsider your position. If you want to discuss this further, send me a PM, and I will shoot you my number.
Ryan
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You need to postroll everyday.there is know way at day 90 you have nic beat.the way I see this is we all started together and we are all going to beat the nic bitch together.just postroll and keep the fight going.bouncing in and out won't work and starting over would suck.......
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First, Congrats on your continued fight to remain nicotine free. Please remember that you are not cured of nicotine addiction. The tools, methods, accountability and brotherhood are always here for you at KTC.
Second, I want to echo the comments of the fine quitters below. Making a public promise each day to remain nicotine free and being active, fighting the battle along side your brothers goes a long way towards staying quit. I hope you stick around and make some more friends.
It's great seeing you post roll today!
-Ron
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You all are quite right. Excuses and finding reasons to no do things is one of my greatest character flaws. I should go for 200. Why not? it will only make me stronger and who knows I might make someone else stronger too. I'll stick around. The nic bitch is a wiley one and some day it will be too strong for me to fight alone, just like before.
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You are so right. To continue to post is a must. Glad to read ur sticking around. I know for me there is no way I could have made it this far or will continue to make it past my 100
Days without he help of my KTC bros.
thanks for the honesty and am glad ur keeping ur post up.
As always just keep posting and staying strong and quit.
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You all are quite right. Excuses and finding reasons to no do things is one of my greatest character flaws. I should go for 200. Why not? it will only make me stronger and who knows I might make someone else stronger too. I'll stick around. The nic bitch is a wiley one and some day it will be too strong for me to fight alone, just like before.
I would keep going... I look at like this, It's worked everyday that I've posted so I have no reason to believe that it wont work everyday that I post. I haven't missed roll call in my 203 days and I haven't used nicotine in my 203 days. I think its more than mere coincidence. I think it has to do with making a promise to myself, my wife, and my quit brothers and sisters. I think it has something to do with their promise to me too. If I am not here to hold them accountable then who is here to hold me accountable.
This shit really works. Fuckin' A Amazing.
There is no finish line.
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glad to see postrolled again today.stay strong and if you have to vent just start yelling at Ron Cross he likes that kinda stuff.......haha 'Popcorn'
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glad to see postrolled again today.stay strong and if you have to vent just start yelling at Ron Cross he likes that kinda stuff.......haha 'Popcorn'
HAHAHAHA!!!1
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You all are quite right. Excuses and finding reasons to no do things is one of my greatest character flaws. I should go for 200. Why not? it will only make me stronger and who knows I might make someone else stronger too. I'll stick around. The nic bitch is a wiley one and some day it will be too strong for me to fight alone, just like before.
I would keep going... I look at like this, It's worked everyday that I've posted so I have no reason to believe that it wont work everyday that I post. I haven't missed roll call in my 203 days and I haven't used nicotine in my 203 days. I think its more than mere coincidence. I think it has to do with making a promise to myself, my wife, and my quit brothers and sisters. I think it has something to do with their promise to me too. If I am not here to hold them accountable then who is here to hold me accountable.
This shit really works. Fuckin' A Amazing.
There is no finish line.
I give a lot of credit to my brothers here too. They have always been around when I needed to call out and say I was having a hard time with it. I forget sometimes. It is about promises and loyalty and comradery. I forget that in my own selfishness at times. This group has helped me become a more honest man.
I wrote a song yesterday about this process (trying to get it posted) in which I use the line:
It's easy to say what you wanna be
to fill the earth with empty words
and whispers on the breeze
Inspired by this group here.
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Having read the conditions for the hall of fame speeches, I choose not to post an HOF in the HOF section. Given that I have dropped off the face of the to KTC page and come back and left and returned I would consider my devotion short of the sacred thing that is the HOF title.
But in honor to the true beauty of KTC and what it has done for me I will give thanks to those that have aided me over the last 100 days.
Ron Cross- you have consistently checked in on me even when I forgot and your devotion to saving lives has been instrumental to me but countless others. I thank you.
Diesel2112- whenever I felt full of self pitty and loathing and wanted to have a woe-is-me-athon, you were there to tell me that I was acting like a kid that never got his way home. You kept this process real for me and made the ODAAT motto something to live by. I thank you.
My man JayDubya- over text and message you were always around to help me out in my moments of weakness and were it not for your regular contact I would have caved many a time. I owe you my life and I thank you.
Billygoat- We started on the same day and continue our journey day to day. I am glad we have regularly checked up on eachother and your voice was a godsend in my first few weeks as we shoulder to shoulder pushed through the suck and the fog.
GDubya- you were another consistent voice through the fog maintaining a guideline to a successful quit. I thank you.
All the Jackwaggins- You saw my quit and found that I was of your ilk and asked me to be amongst you in your pursuit of freedom. I have failed in my own attempts to maintain amongst your number and for that I ask forgiveness. But know this: Your recognition of my own strength to quit only gave me more strength. I thank you.
Sgt12-I saw you fell. My heart aches for your loss but yearns for your triumphant return. Central washington is a large and lonely desert and I quit with you anyday.
Anyone that I forgot I still love and am grateful for what you have done for me. I may have forgotten you in my mind but never my heart.
As for my celebration of 100 days quit: I hugged my wife, told her how much I loved her. I hugged my children, told them how much I loved them. And as I sipped my hot cup of ear grey tea I contemplated the next 100 days to come for a quitters work is never done.