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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Rigajig on June 14, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
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I started an introduction feed about my wanting to quit nicotine A few days before my quit date. Now that I am three days into my quit I would like to reintroduce myself and share my story.
I have learned this new word since being on this website and it is ninja dipping. I love it! That describes me to a tee for 32 years. All through college and Dental school I would be a closet dipper and it was tough. My wife and I dated for 2 years and she never knew I dipped. I was the best ninja dipper until she discovered a can of Copenhagen in my luggage on our honeymoon cruise. Talk about a sad and shocking day for both of us. I wasn't entirely the man she thought I was. Even though she knew I chewed I was going to continue my ninja dipping skills and let her think I only dip a few times a week or anytime I got caught. I need to quit
As I mentioned earlier, I am a Dentist and am a huge Hypocrite. I have continued to be a Ninja Dipper in the office out of shame and embarrassment. I own my own practice and have 8 employees. I have never allowed my hygienist to clean my teeth and she often asks me why. Wow!! Talk about a blow to the stomache. I have come up with several really good excuses but honestly I feel like I have hurt her feelings and I wonder what she really thinks. She has been with me since day 1 of opening up my practice. I need to quit
I have 2 children preteen age and I always told myself I will quit before my kids could ever find out. Well my oldest daughter has unintentionally found a can of chew in my car or in my bathroom drawer 1 too many times over the last year and now knows "daddy has a problem with putting that brown stuff in his mouth". Breaks my heart! I need to quit
I have been a slave to this can for far too long! I have tried quitting so many times in the past but honestly haven't even tried for the last few years. In fact my registering for this website was the last time I tried to quit. Obviously I was unsuccessful. I have never tried quitting cold turkey so that's been my plan and ITS WORKING SO FAR! I am on Day 3. I can't remember the last time I hadn't had nicotine in my body for 3 days. I'm chewing Smokey Mountain and it's really helping. I absolutely love the support and knowledge on KTC.
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I started an introduction feed about my wanting to quit nicotine A few days before my quit date. Now that I am three days into my quit I would like to reintroduce myself and share my story.
I have learned this new word since being on this website and it is ninja dipping. I love it! That describes me to a tee for 32 years. All through college and Dental school I would be a closet dipper and it was tough. My wife and I dated for 2 years and she never knew I dipped. I was the best ninja dipper until she discovered a can of Copenhagen in my luggage on our honeymoon cruise. Talk about a sad and shocking day for both of us. I wasn't entirely the man she thought I was. Even though she knew I chewed I was going to continue my ninja dipping skills and let her think I only dip a few times a week or anytime I got caught. I need to quit
As I mentioned earlier, I am a Dentist and am a huge Hypocrite. I have continued to be a Ninja Dipper in the office out of shame and embarrassment. I own my own practice and have 8 employees. I have never allowed my hygienist to clean my teeth and she often asks me why. Wow!! Talk about a blow to the stomache. I have come up with several really good excuses but honestly I feel like I have hurt her feelings and I wonder what she really thinks. She has been with me since day 1 of opening up my practice. I need to quit
I have 2 children preteen age and I always told myself I will quit before my kids could ever find out. Well my oldest daughter has unintentionally found a can of chew in my car or in my bathroom drawer 1 too many times over the last year and now knows "daddy has a problem with putting that brown stuff in his mouth". Breaks my heart! I need to quit
I have been a slave to this can for far too long! I have tried quitting so many times in the past but honestly haven't even tried for the last few years. In fact my registering for this website was the last time I tried to quit. Obviously I was unsuccessful. I have never tried quitting cold turkey so that's been my plan and ITS WORKING SO FAR! I am on Day 3. I can't remember the last time I hadn't had nicotine in my body for 3 days. I'm chewing Smokey Mountain and it's really helping. I absolutely love the support and knowledge on KTC.
Ninja living sucks. You spent so much time hiding, sneaking, lying... Dude I did it for 25 years. Quitting is only for the strong - and I think you are one of the strong. You absolutely will love your new life. My wife couldn't touch my suitcase. Or drive my car. I had every excuse in the book.
No more lies. Just freedom. Hang in there. Better is ahead. So is great
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Just curious why you joined in 2012 yet only just now quit?
Mods, please merge his intros.
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I'm only a few days ahead of you, but I can say it has gotten a little easier every day. But like Worktowin, I'm curious about a few things. Like he, I'm curious why you have been a member so long and just quit. Also, was there something you saw at work that also made you want to quit more?
Funny thing is I am always ashamed to go to the dentist. I do go for regular cleanings though. I think I have great teeth and it has always been an embarrassment to have them stained each day from dip or having it in my teeth.
But one thing is for sure. We are some quit asses now. You have several reasons to stay quit. Let me know if I can do anything to help.
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Mac and thumble- I'm not exactly sure why I didn't quit in 2012. I definitely don't recall taking it to the extreme that I am currently. I remember I tried the patches and Nicorete gum but eventually caved and never really tried anything since then. Honestly I don't think my head was in the right spot at the time. Going cold turkey this time and very determined.
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You making it Doc? I'm pulling for you. Let me know if you need anything.
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Stay strong Doc this place is filled with all kinds of knowledge and helpful brothers an sisters!
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Hey Rig, great decision to come to KTC. I have a friend who's an orthodontist that chews. No one is safe from the grips of the nic-bitch. I chewed for 17 years 1 can/day and must have tried to quit 100 times. I tried patches, gum, chantix, weening, cold turkey, you name it. I lost all faith in myself and thought I was just weak minded. I can attest that the real difference here at KTC is the promise you make to fellow addicts each and every day. Once you make that promise all you have to do is focus on getting through that one day and that's it. We don't look ahead here. When you're having a tough day, reach out to us and let us help you get through it. You can also read from this vast library of quit knowledge. After 155 days I'm still finding new content that I can relate to that really helps me stay quit. Quit with you man. Check you PM for my digits and don't be afraid to reach out.
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I love when I read hypocrisy - it's a lesser known, but just as prevalent byproduct of nicotine addiction. We have dentists, doctors, and people like myself (pharmacist) who perceived ourselves to be the best ninja dippers in the world ...and the best liars. We basically tell the public how bad tobacco is for you and "hey, here's some support materials to help you quit." Pretty freakin' pathetic, isn't it.
Coincidentally (and you'll appreciate this) I was reading up on GOLD guidelines for a COPD project (I'm no longer in the dispensing world). In these guidelines, which are the treatment guideline of choice for COPD, there is clear guidance and support for nicotine replacement as part of quit regimens. Even the medical guidelines support substituting one nicotine dosage form for another. In it's defense, the guideline is to "Stop smoking" and not for quitting...which, really is a guideline for failing.
So, here we are with all our hubbub and medical degrees and shit...one of the first things I learned here, was that I didn't know jack about quitting. I learned from some bad-ass people who make quitting their top priority every day. I'm one of them now and it started with posting roll. Posting roll, the great equalizer...all walks of life, professions, and ages are normalized into a cohesive quit unit when we all post our promise to each other. Do this every day, one day at a time, and you too will become a badass; able to look back on the day where you didn't know jack.
Lets do this.
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Damn good post Steakbomb. I'll bet there are more degrees in this forum than most. Honestly I was shocked to see people in the medical field, but I don't know why because I see nurses smoking all of the time. You can think about this from a medical standpoint or a common sense standpoint, but nicotine replacement makes no sense either way.
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Call me strange but I think it's hilarious that a dentist is on here. But I'm twisted like that. I hate the dentist in general. I avoided them for years after I left the military. Now I have some major dental issues which I contribute to both my dipping and a combat deployment where the conditions were, well let's just say they were less than ideal. I've had two teeth pulled and need two more pulled. Hell I can't afford it. Hopefully one day. But like I said. I'm a bitch when it comes to the dentist. Mine doesn't let me carry my duty weapon in her office anymore lol.
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Ah who the fuck am I trying to kid, I think its funny as hell too.
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Day 5-Today was by far the hardest day. I have never gone this long without nic in my body,. At this point I really don't give a shit about the oxymoron of dentist chewing tobacco. I know 2 respiratory therapist that smoke, actually I think 1 of them quit.
I have realized today that most of my stress is from work. I have a very busy practice and constantly going from 1 operatory to the next. I went to work yesterday on Day 4 of my quit and it was the worst experience ever. Long story short I had my office manager reschedule the entire day so I could go home for the day and "chill". Please keep in mind I am a ninja dipper so I had to come up with a very good excuse to reschedule 30+ patients.
Today was a learning experience also. Not as much drama but definitely temptations to satisfy the nic-bitch thought in my head all afternoon. Once again I had a very busy day..mainly to catch up from yesterday's rescheduling but either way, I thought about caving more in the last 6 hours than I have in the last 5 days.
fell free to pm me if you want to chat or exchange cell numbers
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Day 5-Today was by far the hardest day. I have never gone this long without nic in my body,. At this point I really don't give a shit about the oxymoron of dentist chewing tobacco. I know 2 respiratory therapist that smoke, actually I think 1 of them quit.
I have realized today that most of my stress is from work. I have a very busy practice and constantly going from 1 operatory to the next. I went to work yesterday on Day 4 of my quit and it was the worst experience ever. Long story short I had my office manager reschedule the entire day so I could go home for the day and "chill". Please keep in mind I am a ninja dipper so I had to come up with a very good excuse to reschedule 30+ patients.
Today was a learning experience also. Not as much drama but definitely temptations to satisfy the nic-bitch thought in my head all afternoon. Once again I had a very busy day..mainly to catch up from yesterday's rescheduling but either way, I thought about caving more in the last 6 hours than I have in the last 5 days.
fell free to pm me if you want to chat or exchange cell numbers
Oh I was just giving you hell. Kind of like people pretty much calling me a bitch as a Marine and Cop who couldn't quit cold turkey. You definitely got this. I'm glad you had the opportunity to take some time away from work, I didn't have that option yesterday but luckily something at work managed to take my mind off that nic-bitch.
You got this. I quit with you!
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Day 5-Today was by far the hardest day. I have never gone this long without nic in my body,. At this point I really don't give a shit about the oxymoron of dentist chewing tobacco. I know 2 respiratory therapist that smoke, actually I think 1 of them quit.
I have realized today that most of my stress is from work. I have a very busy practice and constantly going from 1 operatory to the next. I went to work yesterday on Day 4 of my quit and it was the worst experience ever. Long story short I had my office manager reschedule the entire day so I could go home for the day and "chill". Please keep in mind I am a ninja dipper so I had to come up with a very good excuse to reschedule 30+ patients.
Today was a learning experience also. Not as much drama but definitely temptations to satisfy the nic-bitch thought in my head all afternoon. Once again I had a very busy day..mainly to catch up from yesterday's rescheduling but either way, I thought about caving more in the last 6 hours than I have in the last 5 days.
fell free to pm me if you want to chat or exchange cell numbers
Oh I was just giving you hell. Kind of like people pretty much calling me a bitch as a Marine and Cop who couldn't quit cold turkey. You definitely got this. I'm glad you had the opportunity to take some time away from work, I didn't have that option yesterday but luckily something at work managed to take my mind off that nic-bitch.
You got this. I quit with you!
Hi again. Remember me? I was one of the dudes that was trying to get you to quit earlier. I placed low odds on you quitting. I underestimated you. A lot.
You have some bad asses on your team already. One of them is convinced I called him a bitch. Marines are like that sometimes I guess... Always misinterpreting!
Anyway, you are really doing great. This addiction is a bitch to manage at first. But it can be done. Stress at work... I get. I'm not a dentist but rather the numbers guy for a pretty big company. If you put 100 guys in a room and asked someone tonpountboutbthe one that didn't dip - I would be chosen. I could out ninja your dentist ass any day of the week. I've come completely clean to my wife and a few friends and dude all that I can say is... You are going to love the new you.
Right now I know that it probably seems hopeless. It isn't. Keep posting the bullshit you are experiencing here in your intro so you can look back when times are better. And they will be better. Notbudingbis a great feeling. Not hiding/lying/sneaking... Dude you have no idea. But you will.
It is an honor to quit with you, EOD, macamania, and that bitch (oops I mean bad ass) stillamarine today. You guys get it. And you are running as s team one day at a time. My number is in your inbox.
PS - will you give me a discount on a crown???
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Doc, we all have stress. I would match single days I've had over some peoples entire lives. That doesn't matter though. Your perception is the nic bitch cures stress. Does she really? It seems like she helps at the time. You can also say she goes good with fishing when the day could get no better. The bitch will find any reason she can to get back in your life.
Life is sucking ass for all of us, but it's getting better everyday. We are all in the same boat for as long as we choose to stay in it. I hope we can laugh about this shit a few months from now. I hope to read your HOF speech. We've got this shit man! 'Cheers'
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Glad to read that you are doing it. Keep posting your journey here, it will help you look back at what you never want to repeat again. You are clearly committed, rescheduling and all. Like Steaky told you, being humble and following the program and advice here is key. Good job getting numbers too- that network is key. Keep posting and communicating, the addiction made us ninjas believe we could do it all alone as long as we had our fix. Now you have a new life building- it's tricky at times but knowledge and community will make it possible to get
Through.
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Thank you for all the support guys! I am impressed with the support there is on this website. In a big way it's being held accountable to the members I have met thus far. It's an honor to quit with you guys. Let's keep it up!!
Worktowin-I will give you free gold crowns on your 2 front teeth. ;)
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On Day 8 of my quit and staying strong. I'm having hard cravings 4-5 times a day. I have been able to identify a lot of my triggers for dipping and adapting to change. Today was difficult for me. Not sure why, but I was tempted to give up and cave at 2 different occasions. However, I stayed strong!! I love the support and accountability KTC offers. I figure I will never change my life until I change my previous daily routines and until recently I thought that was going to be harder than it was.
Addiction Substitution was mentioned on a few post this week. I'm concerned and confused by this reality. I do consume alcohol but within moderation most the time. I really don't think I will have a problem with eating too much. My concern has been using other nonnicotine products to satisfy my oral fixation. Since being 8 days NIC free I have gone through about 14 cans of smoky mountain classic. In my opinion, I believe that's too much! I also feel like I might be getting bored with dipping that stuff and possibly the reason for being seriously tempted twice today to say F it.
UGH!! I am not going to give up!!! Just frustrated!! This quit has been the longest for me in 20+ years. My ultimate goal is to quit FOREVER but my short term goal is to be completely NIC free on July 4th. I will be quit for 23 days. THAT WOULD BE HUGE FOR ME!! Absolutely no NIC in my blood, organs, tissue, brain, etc and I have always known it takes 21+ days to overcome a habit.
Samurai Strong and love the support from ODNT, carlh2o, DAGLMU (N2O is a great substitute;), stillmarine, Worktowin (no faith in me "having a plan"), Macamania, and my veteran CANDOIT. You guys are seriously helping me push through this!
Anyone out there wanting to keep in touch through text, please PM me. I'm much better at text then posting on forums. ;)
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My ultimate goal is to quit FOREVER but my short term goal is to be completely NIC free on July 4th.
Congratulations on Day 8! By Monday you will have reached double digits which was a huge milestone to me. A big pat on the back for you come Monday when you reach double digits too.
What a difference a conjunction makes. Here is what I want you to say to yourself: "My ultimate goal is to quit forever AND my short term goal is to be completely NIC free on July 4th." I think you snarl yourself in your own thoughts and get overwhelmed, which will become a rationalization to throw in the towel. We quit one day at a time here. You are thinking of forever. Contemplating infinity doesn't usually help when dealing with an addiction. I don't know where you heard that it takes 21 days to break a habit. First of all you have a nicotine addictions. And second, if you are referring to your oral habit, maybe it will have subsided in 21 days and maybe not. How about you place all of your worries on hold for a while. When is the last time worrying about something ever made the outcome better? Why not re-evaluate at Day 50 on the quantity of substitute dip you are using. Chill for a while. You want it all to be perfect right away. Perfection takes longer than that.
I quit with you today. I will also quit with you on July 4th.
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I think you are right about that being a little too much Smokey Mountain, but if that is what it takes for now it is still better than the real stuff. I have probably used half of that if you need something for comparison. But I donÂ’t have to "ninja" dip either. I can hide it well enough to suit my need with where it is placed in my mouth.
We are a lot alike here. I think now my issue is more of the oral fixation. I have been researching oral fixation and it may benefit you to do some reading on it. Sigmund Freud's research seems very familiar to my own way of thinking. I know this sounds a little nuts, but I've always been certain one reason I liked smoking and dipping was that I used pacifier much longer than most kids.
This is a snippet from Wikipedia about the subject:
The infant who is neglected (insufficiently fed) or who is over-protected (over-fed) in the course of being nursed, might become an orally-fixated person. Said oral-stage fixation might have two effects: (i) the neglected child might become a psychologically dependent adult continually seeking the oral stimulation denied in infancy, thereby becoming a manipulative person in fulfilling his or her needs, rather than maturing to independence; (ii) the over-protected child might resist maturation and return to dependence upon others in fulfilling his or her needs. Theoretically, oral-stage fixations are manifested as garrulousness, smoking, continual oral stimulus (eating, chewing objects), and alcoholism. Psychologically, the symptoms include a sarcastic, oral sadistic personality, nail biting, oral sexual practices (fellatio, cunnilingus, analingus, irrumatio),
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I have always known it takes 21+ days to overcome a habit.
I'm sure you've heard this. I'm sure it may have even been beaten into your head.
But the fact of the matter is that you're still saying it.
Nicotine isn't "habit forming" it's addictive. It's the 2nd worse thing to be addicted to, behind heroin and tied with crack cocaine. Don't believe me? Read up on it HERE. (http://www.thefix.com/content/10-hardest-addictive-drugs-to-kick7055)
So make sure you have your mind right and in the game. You don't need to go easy on it by saying it's just a habit.
Nicotine is addictive and it has/will ruin your life.
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Don't "side step" a big crave. Or say "whew, glad I resisted that craving". Don't become frustrated that the cravings are bugging you. Fucking crush the cravings like the NIC bitch killing badass that you are. Become the master. Own this shit man. Own your fucking quit and be proud as fuck that you are taking back your freedom. Fuck that pointless poisonous enslaving dogshit. You never needed it and you'll never need it again. Embrace freedom.
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Don't "side step" a big crave. Or say "whew, glad I resisted that craving". Don't become frustrated that the cravings are bugging you. Fucking crush the cravings like the NIC bitch killing badass that you are. Become the master. Own this shit man. Own your fucking quit and be proud as fuck that you are taking back your freedom. Fuck that pointless poisonous enslaving dogshit. You never needed it and you'll never need it again. Embrace freedom.
Yes! Whats Claws said ^^^^^
This battle is all about perspective and attitude.
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Don't "side step" a big crave. Or say "whew, glad I resisted that craving". Don't become frustrated that the cravings are bugging you. Fucking crush the cravings like the NIC bitch killing badass that you are. Become the master. Own this shit man. Own your fucking quit and be proud as fuck that you are taking back your freedom. Fuck that pointless poisonous enslaving dogshit. You never needed it and you'll never need it again. Embrace freedom.
Yes! Whats Claws said ^^^^^
This battle is all about perspective and attitude.
^^^ Griz said it! ^^^ Own it, don't let it own you
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Yes, ODAAT 28 days in or 400 days in. Follow the program and the rest is gravy.
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Yes, ODAAT 28 days in or 400 days in. Follow the program and the rest is gravy.
Rig everyone needs to realize this is a lifetime commitment Odaat! Saying that, craves continue forever, fog who knows, I hear some say they never have withdrawals after first month are so. Everyone is different. Hang in there you're doing great! Damn proud to be quit with you!
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Congrats on 4 weeks Rigajig. I remember well when a single day without dip felt like a huge accomplishment...and it still is! Keep up that quit. It will get easier and the shitty days will continue to get fewer and farther between
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Congrats on 4 weeks Rigajig. I remember well when a single day without dip felt like a huge accomplishment...and it still is! Keep up that quit. It will get easier and the shitty days will continue to get fewer and farther between
ODAAT is a huge key.
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Congrats on 4 weeks Rigajig. I remember well when a single day without dip felt like a huge accomplishment...and it still is! Keep up that quit. It will get easier and the shitty days will continue to get fewer and farther between
ODAAT is a huge key.
WTF IS ODAAT!???
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Congrats on 4 weeks Rigajig. I remember well when a single day without dip felt like a huge accomplishment...and it still is! Keep up that quit. It will get easier and the shitty days will continue to get fewer and farther between
ODAAT is a huge key.
WTF IS ODAAT!???
Rig,
ODAAT is One Day At A Time - live it!
Quit with you!
Cj
Or was it One Dentist at a time. Ah shit , now I am confused.
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I am on Day 28 of my quit! Almost a month!!! It's been a tough 28 days with good days and bad but I really don't think I would have made it this far without KTC and the Bad Ass Samurai's I have come to know. I still get the foggy days but they seem to be fewer as the days go by. In the past I have comments about quitting forever and how insurmountable that appears. I have now realized I have to quit 1 day at a time.
Congrats on 4 weeks Rigajig. I remember well when a single day without dip felt like a huge accomplishment...and it still is! Keep up that quit. It will get easier and the shitty days will continue to get fewer and farther between
ODAAT is a huge key.
WTF IS ODAAT!???
Rig,
ODAAT is One Day At A Time - live it!
Quit with you!
Cj
Or was it One Dentist at a time. Ah shit , now I am confused.
This string was funny and inspiring. Thanks for that....I need it. I am day 7 without nic and day 9 without a lipper. Tried the patch until I joined KTC Cold Turkey it is!!! 'bang head'