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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: habit456 on August 10, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
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Hi everyone, my name is Josh and I'm 19 years old. I've been dipping for 5 years which is a lot less than most of you older dippers. The first time I did it I was 14 years old and put a big wad of grizzly mint in my mouth. My older brother bought me a tin and we were driving home. By the time I got to my house, I was all lightheaded and felt like throwing up. The room was spinning and my heart was racing and I thought to myself "Why do people even do this crap?" After that I was putting much smaller lips in and dipping in the school bathroom with all my friends. I did it because all my friends were doing it. And I wanted to enjoy it. They seemed to like it so much and all I felt was light headed. I was so stupid. I just should've stopped right there. But instead I became dedicated to trying to enjoy this crap. And it didn't take too long where it really started taking the edge off. Now it's 5 years later and I've been dipping every day ever since. I never thought anything of it really. I didn't look up what health problems it caused. And the night before, like every night, I fell asleep with a lip in. What made this one different is I woke up and my heart was racing at about 200bpm. I thought I was having a fucking heart attack or something. I went to the doctor and they hooked me up with this machine that measured my heart rate for 24 hours. I've been a nervous wreck ever since. I've hardly dipped and I tried to dip again and my heart just wigs out. My body can't take it anymore. My chest always hurts and I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid that it's caused permanent damage to my heart. I was dipping about a tin a day and now I can't even put a lip in without my heart going crazy. I feel such bad anxiety and when I think about how hard it's gonna be to quit I nearly have a panic attack. My girlfriend is worried sick about me and I keep telling her that everything is gonna be alright. But I really don't know what's going to happen. My family has a history of heart disease and I've done more drugs than most people think exist. I know I'm young but I've been through a lot. And right now I'm under suboxone treatment which is for heroin withdrawals. I never would've guessed that it'd be the dip that would be the first to cause such a serious problem. I'm 19 years old and I just want to live my life like so many of the other people my age. I'm so sick of being such a fucking addict. I had to drop out of college to go to rehab but drug rehab still allows the use of nicotine. I guess they don't see nicotine is a serious problem. I feel like all of my use of tobacco and other drugs have finally taken their toll on my body. Has anyone got any advice? Or has anyone experienced such a ridiculous increase in heart rate? Whoever has the time to read this whole messy post, I thank you for your time. I'm going to try my best to quit. I'm forced to quit if I want a life without heart disease or the risk of cancer. But I figure if people can quit after 30 years of dipping, then it's most definitely possible for me.
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Habit,
Welcome to the site you have come to the right place. I want to address something you said in your post
" I'm going to try my best to quit."
There is no TRY you either commit to quit and be quit today taking your life back, or you let the nic bitch continue to hold her grasp on you, possibly leading to some serious side effects.
I've only been around for 3 days now, but this site has been a tremendous help. If you haven't already get over the the Quit Groups and commit yourself to your Pre-HOF November 2012, Quit Date between 7/25/2012 - 8/23/2012 group and post roll.
Posting roll is your promise on a daily basis to yourself and every one of your quit group brothers that you will not use tobacco today.
Take it one day at a time, Post roll daily, get some numbers off of some of the vets, and promise them that you will call/text them for permission to cave (it will work wonders).
Trying to do this on your own is a losing battle. Utilize the site, the vets, and your quit brothers every day. It's the only way you will beat this and get your life back.
Just a word of warning, you will have to have some thick skin around here. We won't put up with any bullshit (which I found out the first day by wording a question on the message board the wrong way), If you don't post roll, your quit brothers will be blowing you up to see where you are. They want you to succeed as much as you want to succeed yourself.
I hope you take this advice, and I hope you stick around and I see you post roll every day.
One day at a time.
Quit with you.
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Josh,
First I need to correct you. There is no TRYING to quit on this website. You either quit, or you don't. There's no in between, no grey area, no fence to ride.
Your decision to quit is commendable, and you hit the nail on the head in your first couple of sentences talking about quitting early on in your habit. You will hear many stories of guys who wish they could have quit at 39, much less 19. However, we are all about to see how serious and how badly you want to quit.
The gameplan is simple. Not easy, but simple. There is a very large and distinct difference between the two. Let me equip you with what you need, and then the rest if up to you:
1) Read the Welcome Center. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13) This tells you how and why this site works. We do it cold turkey, no patches or gum.
2) Posting roll is the backbone of this site and we take it as seriously as we take cancer. We don't play with it. Roll is your daily promise to both yourself and us that you will stay nicotine free. Do it early everyday. Let me break down those two words. "Early" so that you make your promise and take going back to the can off the table. You do what you need to do to keep your word. "Everyday" means just what it says. EVERYDAY. By missing a day, you open yourself up to not having a promise to keep and also the threat of missing more days. This site is based on accountability.
3) Posting roll has a trick to it. Click here (http://www.killthecan.org/roll) for a short video that shows you how to do it 100% correctly.
4) Where to post roll: As you should have read in the Welcome Center, 100 days quit is when you hit the Hall of Fame. 100 days from today will put us in the month of November '12. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6793) This section is used for both posting roll and overall chatter.
Hints, tips, tricks, and other thoughts:
Drink as much water as possible. Pure cranberry juice, too. This helps flush your system of the nicotine still left in your body. This will take 72 hours to clear out. Here's what you can expect (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) on a daily timeline while quitting. Exercise helps too.
Get to know your November quit group. Start to form personal relationships. This sounds odd right now, but after 3 days, I can promise you that this will start to make sense.
Going back to the can after realizing that you are an addict and coming to this website for help is only called one thing: Failure. You have a choice whether or not you are going to fail. Addiction is never cured, only beaten back on a daily basis. This is a war that will never end, for you or me. But I have fought nicotine 123 times on a daily basis, and won each time. I chose not to fail and to trust in my brothers and sisters in quit. If you really and truly want to be quit, then you will do the same.
My name is Mark and I'm glad to be quit with you today. Check your Inbox (1).
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Habit,
Welcome to the site you have come to the right place. I want to address something you said in your post
" I'm going to try my best to quit."
There is no TRY you either commit to quit and be quit today taking your life back, or you let the nic bitch continue to hold her grasp on you, possibly leading to some serious side effects.
I've only been around for 3 days now, but this site has been a tremendous help. If you haven't already get over the the Quit Groups and commit yourself to your Pre-HOF November 2012, Quit Date between 7/25/2012 - 8/23/2012 group and post roll.
Posting roll is your promise on a daily basis to yourself and every one of your quit group brothers that you will not use tobacco today.
Take it one day at a time, Post roll daily, get some numbers off of some of the vets, and promise them that you will call/text them for permission to cave (it will work wonders).
Trying to do this on your own is a losing battle. Utilize the site, the vets, and your quit brothers every day. It's the only way you will beat this and get your life back.
Just a word of warning, you will have to have some thick skin around here. We won't put up with any bullshit (which I found out the first day by wording a question on the message board the wrong way), If you don't post roll, your quit brothers will be blowing you up to see where you are. They want you to succeed as much as you want to succeed yourself.
I hope you take this advice, and I hope you stick around and I see you post roll every day.
One day at a time.
Quit with you.
Note the part in bold above.
JJ hit on a couple of points I should have mentioned. We quit one day at a time. We don't worry about forever, 20 years from now, next month, or tomorrow. We post roll, we worry about today, we sleep, then we do it again tomorrow. Take that mantra and reshape your mind to think it 24 hour periods when it comes to your quit. Don't worry about how you will feel tomorrow, only worry about the day in front of you.
Also, in your inbox, you will find my cell number. You feel free to text me anytime you need to. You'll get this offer from other people on the site as well. I offer my support as often and as much as you need it, but mine comes with a stipulation, just like JJ said. I will be there for you, but you need to call me (not text, but actually dial and CALL) and tell me you are buying a can. I won't scream, I won't yell, I just want you to call and say "Mark, this is Habit from KTC. I decided that I can't end my slavery and i'm going to buy a can." I will tell say ok. Again, I won't scream, I won't yell. I just want you to call me.
It's all I ask in return for my support.
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Hey bro its going to be a hard road to quit myself also is new to this but with the support of me and others I know we will be okay, pm if you ever need anything!
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nicotine works on the same neuro pathways and in the same manner as heroin. Ounce for ounce it is more toxic than cobra venom. Nic is bad mojo little buddy. You'll find alot of parallels between your addiction rationale for using heroin and using nicotine. Same game, different substances. Consequence of either is eventually the same.
And yes, " do or do not, there is no try"
sM
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nicotine works on the same neuro pathways and in the same manner as heroin. Ounce for ounce it is more toxic than cobra venom. Nic is bad mojo little buddy. You'll find alot of parallels between your addiction rationale for using heroin and using nicotine. Same game, different substances. Consequence of either is eventually the same.
And yes, " do or do not, there is no try"
sM
Good to see SM laying justice around here. That man help put me on the path.