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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Quitforsoj on February 19, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
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I am new to this site and have committed to quitting.
I have dipped for a very long time..... First from 16 to 32 and then again from 42 to now .. I am. 48.... Not sure why I started again but I did. First skoal pouches and also Kodiack when I could spit ---/ over the last few months I have been 100 percent kodiak except when I am sleeping. Probably using 3 to. 4 cans a weeks.... I am done with it - I am thur with nicotine controlling my life!
When I quit the first time it sucked until it did not suck anymore. There is not a lot of resources I could find to help quit except for this site.
It will be hard but has to be done .. My hope is that I then can be a resource to those wanting to quit.
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I am new to this site and have committed to quitting.
Welcome aboard. Make your commitment in the May 2014 pre HOF group by posting your day one there an repeat it every day. Freedom is so very worth it!
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Thanks - can I post roll call via an iPhone or only
A computer
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Iphone works great- that's all I use here, I have never used the traditional site. Welcome, this is a great resource- post roll everyday and keep on keeping on!
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Thanks - can I post roll call via an iPhone or only
A computer
Instructions for posting roll on your iPhone (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) I post on iPhone 100% of the time. Don't worry if you screw it up at first someone will fix it.
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Thanks - can I post roll call via an iPhone or only
A computer
Instructions for posting roll on your iPhone (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) I post on iPhone 100% of the time. Don't worry if you screw it up at first someone will fix it.
Welcome aboard, QFS -- and impressively flawless posting to roll. Project Mayhem needs a Mensa guy like you...
If you haven't already done so, go to the orange "Welcome Center" tab on upper left hand side of your screen and read everything there. You've figured out posting roll, which is a stringent requirement and the only thing we ask you to "pay" each morning. Post roll EVERY DAY without fail. If you can't do it for some reason, reach out to one of us in the May '14 quit group ("Project Mayhem") so we can get your back and keep you focused. Read HOF speeches, early entries from grizzled veterans, and hop into the chat room when you have a few minutes. Get to know people, and exchange phone numbers -- these will be your lifelines.
Let's get your quit rolling. Congrats again. If you have questions, PM me.
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Quitforsoj;
Welcome to May 2014 group. Post everyday and read as much as you can on this site. I'm on Day 21 and it's been a struggle but I'm holding hope that it'll continue to improve. Get lots of gum and sunflower seeds. Get ready to not poop that much. PM me if you want to exchange numbers to stay accountable to each other. Great to have you in our group. I'm 40.5 and really tried to quit when I was 40. I'm using you as motivation to not relapse this time in my 40s. We are to old (therefore wise!) to put that crap in our mouths. Hate Nicoteen more that the pain of withdraw.
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Threw away all of my chew this morning ....
12 hours into it ...: I have a headache and not sure if it is related....
Each min - each hour / my body is getting rid of this crap that
Is in my system....
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Threw away all of my chew this morning ....
12 hours into it ...: I have a headache and not sure if it is related....
Each min - each hour / my body is getting rid of this crap that
Is in my system....
It's probably related. Your body is going to spend the next few days flushing out a toxin that you conditioned it too. Your body will regulate! But it will be uncomfortable for a few days. Recognize it for what it is. A purification process. It will get better. That much I can promise.
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Threw away all of my chew this morning ....
12 hours into it ...: I have a headache and not sure if it is related....
Each min - each hour / my body is getting rid of this crap that
Is in my system....
Drink all the water you can and get some exercise!
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I am on day 8 of NO NIC and day 11 with NO CHEW because I was a pansy and used nic gum for a few days.
I am 46 and can relate. Next few days will be hard but they get better..much better.
Chew gum..
I did 10 pushups every time I had an urge.
I slept like shit for a few nights but that has greatly improved.
We are in the same quit group so if you need anything PM me.
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Found some pouches in my computer bag and them away.....
The past few hours have been difficult to concentrate fully - I am sure it is going to
Get worse over the next few days before it gets better. Actually feeling a bit warm and not sure of that is also related..
Thank you everyone for your comments.....
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Read the intro, read the HOF, collect numbers and friends.Come to site or call or text if get into trouble
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Start of Day 2...... we will win!
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Start of Day 2...... we will win!
It can be done bro, We all are Killing The Can ODAAT. ;Ironman:
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Start of Day 2...... we will win!
one day at a time. Congrats on taking your freedom back.
PB
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That's a good attitude brother. We will win, big tobacco can suck it
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By my estimation if I was still dipping.. I would have most likely bought a can or two of Kodiak... ( yes.... over the past year or so, whenever I would buy it would be more than one can... just in case I ran out.. -- what I dumb AZZ i was ) ... and probably bought a can of Skoak extra pouches.... just in case i needed to dip and was not able to spit... // however I have noticed over the last six months that I was buying less pouches and alot more kod.....
Today has not been easy ..... back in my home office where in the past I would dip almost all day long.... ... very difficult but i am pressing on.
No headache today but am "foggy" and moody...
I told my wife this mornign that I have quit and she is very happy ..... and of course.. cited all the bad things that can happen from chewing ... whcih we all know already... I know the stuff is bad....
Pressing on.....
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crap. I must be foogy... what I was going to say in my last post is that I am taking the 15 bucks that I would have spend on chew and putting it in an envelope .... and I goign to keep doing this for the next year and then with the money saved I will buy something for the family....
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crap. I must be foogy... what I was going to say in my last post is that I am taking the 15 bucks that I would have spend on chew and putting it in an envelope .... and I goign to keep doing this for the next year and then with the money saved I will buy something for the family....
well home office.....same here.....
remember if you can another tool for the site is to jump into the live chat.
use it whenever you just aren't feeling right, or just need a pep talk or a kind word.
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Rolling into day 4 ..... First weekend since the quit/ got plenty of Gum and sunflower seeds
available knowing that the NicBtch can show up at anytime - -
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Rolling into day 4 ..... First weekend since the quit/ got plenty of Gum and sunflower seeds
available knowing that the NicBtch can show up at anytime - -
Way to prepare brother!!! That's how you do it.
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Lots of down Time today ..... But not much thinking about
dip ...... Some but bit much .....
Clean now for 4 days!
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Lots of down Time today ..... But not much thinking about
dip ...... Some but bit much .....
Clean now for 4 days!
Great job. Keep it rolling...
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Lots of down Time today ..... But not much thinking about
dip ...... Some but bit much .....
Clean now for 4 days!
Great job. Keep it rolling...
Here is a time killer now that you are out of the withdrawal phase.
You will have major triggers so if its counter productive, walk away and save for another time.
Festering addiction (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x8o45eC_uZM)
Do you see the shrine? Watch some where you can look at eyes. Especially before and after a hit of nicotine.
They are worshiping a false god. This god will lead to pain.
Yet they promote it.
Sad really. What praise would the sing visiting cancer brought on by their god?
So grateful I was lead to KTC. So grateful I am quit today, and I'm glad to see you here recovering vs in a cell of bondage.
Keep your guard up. Nicotine is a dangerous evil. It's subtle and that's her best weapon to lure you back. Fight today and keep your word today. You are in a winnable war. Worry only about today. No thought about tomorrow or the rest of your life.
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Day 5 -- feeling strong but know that nic is waiting for me to enter a weak moment .....
Got a message for you NIC ..F-OFF.
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Day 5 -- feeling strong but know that nic is waiting for me to enter a weak moment .....
Got a message for you NIC ..F-OFF.
Days 5 to 10 really sucked for me. I kept patting my pockets trying to figure out what the I hell I was missing. I bet I lost my freaking keys 3 times a day. The fog did clear though. Hey I downloaded a quit timer on iTunes that tracks day and money saved. 1 month 1 day and saved $133 so far! Keep up the quit!
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Take the money saved and put it away in an envelope each week - before you know it
You will have 1 k ......
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Was not sure where to post this question so I am
Posting it here as a reply to my intro.
What can one expect from a visit to the dentist --- it had been a long time for me - 10
Years probably .... Got some messed up gums - stains on teeth..
So what do you do --- walk in an be upfront ... I was a tobacco
Chewer for a
Long time and quit ...
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Was not sure where to post this question so I am
Posting it here as a reply to my intro.
What can one expect from a visit to the dentist --- it had been a long time for me - 10
Years probably .... Got some messed up gums - stains on teeth..
So what do you do --- walk in an be upfront ... I was a tobacco
Chewer for a
Long time and quit ...
My advice would be go in and be up-front. The dentist will be able to tell you were a tobacco user regardless of whether you tell him or not. One look int your mouth and he'll know. So, when you make your appointment, just tell them that you were a tobacco user and are recently quit. They'll make a note of it so that when you come in they'll give you an oral cancer screening, and an assessment of your teeth and gums. It'll be best to face the music straight up my friend. No hiding. Get the facts and start dealing with it.
ZC
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Thanks - that will be the plan.
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Staying strong
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I'm with you on that! Day 8 for me and it's still hard as hell.
Dave
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Dave - I got some smokey mtn - the fake stuff / used
It 2
Times today - made things easier
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Day 7 ..... Some cravings today .... Lasted for about 10 min and then went bye bye after I had some gum .
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Day 8 --- going strong..
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Day 8 --- going strong..
8 days of freedom. Keep it up. I gets so much better.
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Day 8 --- going strong..
8 days of freedom. Keep it up. I gets so much better.
If I can do this, then I know that YOU can too!
ODAAT and NAFAR, period.
Set yourself free, lean into the fall, we were not born with the poison in our mouth!
Quit on!
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SOJ,
Do you have contact info for other quitters to build your network?
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No contact info at all
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No contact info at all
Send out PM to several of your May brothers asking to exchange digits and hold each other accountable. Back up way of posting roll in case you can't get to a computer, text a bud, ask him to post for you
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:D DAy 10...... Little to No Cravings... the NicBitch is probably planning her attack in the shadows...... We will be ready when she comes .... 'Finger'
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:D DAy 10...... Little to No Cravings... the NicBitch is probably planning her attack in the shadows...... We will be ready when she comes .... 'Finger'
Good attitude QFS! That is the way to be- wary and ready to fight back. Persistence wins, and you will continue to be tested. Be sure you get your contact network built out. It's a critical layer of both accountability and support in ways beyond the obvious. Get connected with several quitters from your class, as well as from other levels of quit. A few vets in your corner can really help a lot. Pm me if I can help with my number. And keep the great quit growing even stronger!
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Day 12 ... Looking at the 2 week point in sight. Going strong..
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Day 12 ... Looking at the 2 week point in sight. Going strong..
Nice work QFS. Keep grinding it out one day at a time.
ZC.
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Day 12 ... Looking at the 2 week point in sight. Going strong..
Nice work QFS. Keep grinding it out one day at a time.
ZC.
Sweet man. QLF. Stay the course. You are winning!!
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Go May Quitter!
mb289
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Day 13 - -- 2 week mark tomorrow..
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Day 13 - -- 2 week mark tomorrow..
Lucky number 13! Nice quittin. Keep at it... Remember, all that matters is today. Own it!
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Onto day 15
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Onto day 15
That a boy!
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Onto day 15
Your quit is going strong!
mb289
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Over the nic ..... Help of seeds, gum and fake chew ...... Tried smokey mtn ,
Hooch and elicit zero ---- I like elicit the best..
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Day 24.....
Going strong.... No nic ! Started a low carb diet today ....
Going to kick that addiction also ... Addicted to carbs !!! I
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
In 75 days you will answer that yourself. Just post 26 tomorrow. Quit on.
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
Yep
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
Yep
Posting every damn day is part of what keeps us quit. If you continue to post after day 100, you continue to promise to not use nicotine. Where's the down side?
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Got it .... And and also posting helps others who are starting out ....
Day 30 tomorrow .... Going strong - I have some traveling coming up right around the 80 day mark ....... Going to be on the lookout for triggers ....... Used to dip a lot When traveling ...,.,
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Outstanding quit you have going! I'm at day 32 and going strong also. I will be doing some MC riding and camping at about day 80, so I know what you mean by lots of triggers. I used to chew a lot on past trips.
mb289
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
Yep
Posting every damn day is part of what keeps us quit. If you continue to post after day 100, you continue to promise to not use nicotine. Where's the down side?
i was well over 100 days quit...i stopped posting...i posted day 1 yesterday...does that answer your question?
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After you hit 100
Days - do you need to continue posting
Yep
Posting every damn day is part of what keeps us quit. If you continue to post after day 100, you continue to promise to not use nicotine. Where's the down side?
i was well over 100 days quit...i stopped posting...i posted day 1 yesterday...does that answer your question?
Really dude? If you need to ask that, then you're obviously not paying attention. You just affirmatively answered the question, "is there such a thing as a stupid question?"
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Approaching 50 days ....
I realize that each day is easier but you always have to
Keep your guard up. I was once quit for ALOT of days .... From 1996 to 2004 ... After activitily
Dipping from 1980 to 1996.
One other thing I realized is that this Herbal Chew is quite
Good ...favorite is Hooch .... Got some grinds -- interesting stuff..
No nic today ... No nic again...
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Approaching 50 days ....
I realize that each day is easier but you always have to
Keep your guard up. I was once quit for ALOT of days .... From 1996 to 2004 ... After activitily
Dipping from 1980 to 1996.
One other thing I realized is that this Herbal Chew is quite
Good ...favorite is Hooch .... Got some grinds -- interesting stuff..
No nic today ... No nic again...
I just hit 50 days....it is a mile stone. From what I've read and what I've experienced, there are some strong craves and weird thoughts ahead. Hooch is my favorite as well.
I have to go back and read your intro, I hope you explain how you kicked the bitch's ass for 8 years and then went back. I keep thinking that at some point in my quit quitting will become automatic. I doesn't like that will ever happen.
Proud to quit with you today!!!
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On day 51 .... Feeling a lot of energy ... Is this normal.
I was really tired for the first 49 days.
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Hi Q, don't know if it's normal or not since it seems sometimes I have lots of energy and at other times none. I still believe it's my mind and body rewiring from all the nic I used since 1979.
mb289
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That actually makes since -- the body is rewiring
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On day 51 .... Feeling a lot of energy ... Is this normal.
I was really tired for the first 49 days.
Having a lot of energy is totally F-in normal. Being tired all the time is not. Enjoy these days. It is a sign you are winning today. Since you got some energy today maybe you can swing by an mow my lawn. Congrats on 51 days quit!
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On day 51 .... Feeling a lot of energy ... Is this normal.
I was really tired for the first 49 days.
Having a lot of energy is totally F-in normal. Being tired all the time is not. Enjoy these days. It is a sign you are winning today. Since you got some energy today maybe you can swing by an mow my lawn. Congrats on 51 days quit![/quote
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100 days, let's do it again!
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Congrats soj. 100-- see you at +1
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Nice hundo and HoF!
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Nice hundo and HoF!
Way to go! I hope you stay on for more- it'll keep you quit!
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Nice hundo and HoF!
Way to go! I hope you stay on for more- it'll keep you quit!
Nice work, bro -- look forward to seeing you on the second floor...!
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Nice hundo and HoF!
Way to go! I hope you stay on for more- it'll keep you quit!
Nice work, bro -- look forward to seeing you on the second floor...!
Congrats!!
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Started my quit in feb cold turkey - hit my 100
Days at end of May and then mid July bought a can of cope long cut - I previously used
Kodiak wintetgreen for a long time ...
I dipped that one can of cope for a week and then bought more and more ... Chewed thru
Two vacations -- hating that I caved ... Enough is enough ... Quitting again....
The next few days will suck and then on the road traveling for the next 6 weeks - gonna suck
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How do you post roll from iPhone
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Wow, so much wrong here. First you need to answer the three questions.
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And the 3 questions are ?
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And the 3 questions are ?
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What's going to be different this time?
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What happened -
I was out of town towards the end of a bunch of back to back to back
travel weeks and I craved and the went to the store for Just one can ... I don't know why but
Did think at the time -- just one ( dumb ass Me)
Why did it happen /
I let the nic bitch play a game with me and it won / I should have kept post rolling past the 100 Days - I really think that I posted that morning I would not have caved.
What will be different this time - I know this stuff is bad and will continue to post roll beyond the 100 day mark..
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What happened -
I was out of town towards the end of a bunch of back to back to back
travel weeks and I craved and the went to the store for Just one can ... I don't know why but
Did think at the time -- just one ( dumb ass Me)
Why did it happen /
I let the nic bitch play a game with me and it won / I should have kept post rolling past the 100 Days - I really think that I posted that morning I would not have caved.
What will be different this time - I know this stuff is bad and will continue to post roll beyond the 100 day mark..
Here's what I read
1. I'm a weak addict and I caved
2. I quit posting roll and turned my back on my support group.
3. Not going to justify this one. This answer is unacceptable. Try again, really think about what you are going to do differently. Even better, think about what you didn't do when you caved, that should lead you in the right direction.
really try and process these answers for yourself, might help more than you think
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What I am going to do different - if I need help I am going to ask. You are right I turned
My back on the support group and did not even ask for help - big mistake.
Continuing on want to do different - don't look at the 100 day mark as a finish line but rather just the first lap of a very long race and don't be afraid to ask for help .... All I had to do is recognize I am addicted to nicotone and like all addicts I am going to need help
Along the way.
My can of cope had been flushed down the drain about an hour ago and the can is in the
Trash.
Action step tomorrow - post roll / drink lots of water : stay busy and repeat on Thur...
Still not sure how to post from my phone but will
Figure it out.
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What I am going to do different - if I need help I am going to ask. You are right I turned
My back on the support group and did not even ask for help - big mistake.
Continuing on want to do different - don't look at the 100 day mark as a finish line but rather just the first lap of a very long race and don't be afraid to ask for help .... All I had to do is recognize I am addicted to nicotone and like all addicts I am going to need help
Along the way.
My can of cope had been flushed down the drain about an hour ago and the can is in the
Trash.
Action step tomorrow - post roll / drink lots of water : stay busy and repeat on Thur...
Still not sure how to post from my phone but will
Figure it out.
Quit is quit and as long as you are quit, you have my support. Work on rebuilding that quit network. Come post in December 13 for extra accountability, but be warned, we put up with zero bullshit, don't drop your name in there if you don't mean it. Also check your inbox.
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Thank you - very much
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Thank you - very much
Also on the iphone, click a word in the bottom text box until select all comes up. Then hit select all, then cut. Go to top box hit paste, press the enter button, put your name and day. Hope that helps
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Bump. Read again how to post roll from your iphone.
AND FUCKING DO IT EVERY DAY!!!!!!
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This is your second intro. I bumped your first one to the top of the intro section.
You asked then how to post role from your iphone and WT was nice enough to provide a link for you, explaining the process.
I'm sure on of the mods will merge your intros. You don't get to start over after your fuck up.
How about this time you pull your Fucking head out of your ass and take this quit serious and don't treat it as a race to 100.
Any pussy ass asshole can stop for 100 days and then cave.
Stop being an asshole, pussy ass.
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Well said - I deserved it
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Damn...these mods are GOOD.
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Well said - I deserved it
You're humble I will give you that. If your quit I support you as well, but don't fool KTC again.
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I had not seen this intro at the top for some time but promptly remembered that you are the tool who asked if you need to keep posting roll once you hit 100 days. After scanning back a couple of pages, I confirmed that you are in deed the tool who asked that. I am also the one who said that you have affirmed that there is such a thing as a stupid question. Thank you for proving my point.
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I still am of the belief that there are no stupid questions... but whatever pal.
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I still am of the belief that there are no stupid questions... but whatever pal.
This thread proves there are definitely stupid fucking answers though.
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I still am of the belief that there are no stupid questions... but whatever pal.
This thread proves there are definitely stupid fucking answers though.
SOJ, you posted day 101 then disappeared, learn from your past. Here's how to post from any phone...get the numbers of your fellow November quitters and text them, asking them to post for you, build some accountability. You should be near 200 days, not single digits right now. You really need to approach this quit a lot more aggressively than the last time. No idea who SOJ is, but you definitely shouldn't quit for SOJ, quit for you, you deserve it.
Also, post your answers to the 3 questions in May and November.
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I still am of the belief that there are no stupid questions... but whatever pal.
This thread proves there are definitely stupid fucking answers though.
SOJ, you posted day 101 then disappeared, learn from your past. Here's how to post from any phone...get the numbers of your fellow November quitters and text them, asking them to post for you, build some accountability. You should be near 200 days, not single digits right now. You really need to approach this quit a lot more aggressively than the last time. No idea who SOJ is, but you definitely shouldn't quit for SOJ, quit for you, you deserve it.
Also, post your answers to the 3 questions in May and November.
I would like to know who soj is. I would also like to know if you saw this, single/?p=8483058t=10423364 (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=8483058&t=10423364).
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I am new to this site and have committed to quitting.
You are niether new to this site, nor committed to Quitting.
Quit waiting around for it to be easy. Fuck easy.
Quitting is hard. Be hard.
Pussy.
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What I am going to do different - if I need help I am going to ask. You are right I turned
My back on the support group and did not even ask for help - big mistake.
Continuing on want to do different - don't look at the 100 day mark as a finish line but rather just the first lap of a very long race and don't be afraid to ask for help .... All I had to do is recognize I am addicted to nicotone and like all addicts I am going to need help
Along the way.
My can of cope had been flushed down the drain about an hour ago and the can is in the
Trash.
Action step tomorrow - post roll / drink lots of water : stay busy and repeat on Thur...
Still not sure how to post from my phone but will
Figure it out.
This is fucking weak dude. I mean, I've seen stronger answers from others that we still called weak, this is just sad.
1. You knew at day fucking 30 that you needed to keep posting after day 100, you even discussed it and got lots of comments about it in this very thread.
2. You stopped posting after day 101
3. You didn't get involved in your group then, and it doesn't look like you are getting involved in your new group now.
4. You fucking went back in May and defiled our roll with a false day count. Day 1 mother fucking 20. Get the fuck out dumbass.
5. Plus, when you did come back to May, you committed the cardinal rule of posting at the end of the day and none of us saw it till this morning.
Man up or get out. You've missed out on being a part of one of the greatest KTC quit groups. Others are good, May 14 is like fucking trend setting, and you are on the "Mayhasbeens" tab in the spreadsheet.
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What I am going to do different - if I need help I am going to ask. You are right I turned
My back on the support group and did not even ask for help - big mistake.
Continuing on want to do different - don't look at the 100 day mark as a finish line but rather just the first lap of a very long race and don't be afraid to ask for help .... All I had to do is recognize I am addicted to nicotone and like all addicts I am going to need help
Along the way.
My can of cope had been flushed down the drain about an hour ago and the can is in the
Trash.
Action step tomorrow - post roll / drink lots of water : stay busy and repeat on Thur...
Still not sure how to post from my phone but will
Figure it out.
This is fucking weak dude. I mean, I've seen stronger answers from others that we still called weak, this is just sad.
1. You knew at day fucking 30 that you needed to keep posting after day 100, you even discussed it and got lots of comments about it in this very thread.
2. You stopped posting after day 101
3. You didn't get involved in your group then, and it doesn't look like you are getting involved in your new group now.
4. You fucking went back in May and defiled our roll with a false day count. Day 1 mother fucking 20. Get the fuck out dumbass.
5. Plus, when you did come back to May, you committed the cardinal rule of posting at the end of the day and none of us saw it till this morning.
Man up or get out. You've missed out on being a part of one of the greatest KTC quit groups. Others are good, May 14 is like fucking trend setting, and you are on the "Mayhasbeens" tab in the spreadsheet.
Moral of the story:
You asked. We answered. You acted on your impulse. You failed.
There is a reason why we don't quit on our own. It's because I don't have all the answers. Sapper doesn't have all the answers. You don't have all the answers.
Together, we do.
Quit with us...not beside us.
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Brutal comments but true... the one that sticks out the most is that none of us have all the answers and that is why it is important to lean on each other.
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Close to24 hours - going strong
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Close to24 hours - going strong
You still haven't posted your answers in May. Free advice....put more thought into them
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I will once I figure out the answers
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I will once I figure out the answers
You might want to figure out the answers sooner rather than later, or we probably will be welcoming you to December.
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I will once I figure out the answers
You might want to figure out the answers sooner rather than later, or we probably will be welcoming you to December.
I am guessing you know the answers already, but are too ashamed to post them. I have posted things on this site that I have never told anyone before, things that are humiliating and repulsive. The first cut is the deepest, but the freedom one gets when realizing that others are here, and done the same addict things you and I have is amazing. So wait all you want, and keep your quit in neutral.
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Brutal comments but true... the one that sticks out the most is that none of us have all the answers and that is why it is important to lean on each other.
This would be a great Depak Chopra quote. Or maybe from a Hari Krishna swami. Or Stuart Smalley.
What I get from your above comment: I'm ignoring the shit out of all you other dudes, except for the one comment that I cherry picked out of context in order to justify doing things my way. (and my way does not include meaningful dialogue, only patronizing ass-patting.)
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I will once I figure out the answers
You might want to figure out the answers sooner rather than later, or we probably will be welcoming you to December.
I am guessing you know the answers already, but are too ashamed to post them. I have posted things on this site that I have never told anyone before, things that are humiliating and repulsive. The first cut is the deepest, but the freedom one gets when realizing that others are here, and done the same addict things you and I have is amazing. So wait all you want, and keep your quit in neutral.
I'm curious...why do you think you WILL figure out the answers? I realize that your remark is probably only meant to be patronizing gibberish, but seriously...why do you think you ever even approach the answers? Are you studying some new textbook? Are you in conversation with some guru? Are you waiting for divine inspiration?
The previous questions were rhetorical. You know this, of course, but I mention it only to plainly differentiate them from this question, which is what Webster's defines as a "no-shit" question:
Do you not think an honest attempt at replying to all these questions, responding to all these comments (even the heated ones) will lead to a better understanding of your condition?
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
Really. Wow.
With this attitude, you can post but you will never be a part of November.
Stop getting pissed at people trying to help you understand and start answering some questions. You want to be quit great. You want to be quit here at KTC and more importantly in November 2014 group; ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS AND SHOW SOME HUMILITY.
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
Really. Wow.
With this attitude, you can post but you will never be a part of November.
Stop getting pissed at people trying to help you understand and start answering some questions. You want to be quit great. You want to be quit here at KTC and more importantly in November 2014 group; ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS AND SHOW SOME HUMILITY.
Wow. Kind of embarassed at thinking you could make it before. I do wish you luck now and hope you make it this time. Try not to alienate people trying to help you. It really does help to have a web of support.
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
You know, when I look in the mirror I see a flawed person. The only perfection I see is someone that has the perfect combination of addiction-biased genetics and superior capacity for poor rationale.
What do you see when you look in the mirror? Do you see an addict like I do, or do you see a guy that says, "oops, I fucked up" every now and again?
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
You know, when I look in the mirror I see a flawed person. The only perfection I see is someone that has the perfect combination of addiction-biased genetics and superior capacity for poor rationale.
What do you see when you look in the mirror? Do you see an addict like I do, or do you see a guy that says, "oops, I fucked up" every now and again?
Started my quit in feb cold turkey - hit my 100
Days at end of May and then mid July bought a can of cope long cut - I previously used
Kodiak wintetgreen for a long time ...
I dipped that one can of cope for a week and then bought more and more ... Chewed thru
Two vacations -- hating that I caved ... Enough is enough ... Quitting again....
The next few days will suck and then on the road traveling for the next 6 weeks - gonna suck
So, was it June or July?
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
I'm not perfect but I am also not a shitty caver with no accountability.
I'm sorry that you're quitting for OJ. He's pissed and he still has his gloves.
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I'm having trouble with the disconnect here. I don't know a single person here who thinks they are perfect - in fact every single one of us posting roll is admitting to being an addict. We are all addicts to the same chemical, and thus equal.
You were part of the KTC for 101 days, you know how this works. Did anyone you personally made contact with cave? If so, how did you feel? There is anger directed towards cavers no doubt, but it derives from the time spent with the caver, and the circumstances of the cave. We get angry because we see ourselves in another's cave. We are all one bad decision from day 1.
So back to you, as a former HoF'er would you let a caver back into your group who can't provide the answers? It's a simple process, but a hard one. Make the right decision and I'll be happy to quit with you.
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I'm having trouble with the disconnect here. I don't know a single person here who thinks they are perfect - in fact every single one of us posting roll is admitting to being an addict. We are all addicts to the same chemical, and thus equal.
You were part of the KTC for 101 days, you know how this works. Did anyone you personally made contact with cave? If so, how did you feel? There is anger directed towards cavers no doubt, but it derives from the time spent with the caver, and the circumstances of the cave. We get angry because we see ourselves in another's cave. We are all one bad decision from day 1.
So back to you, as a former HoF'er would you let a caver back into your group who can't provide the answers? It's a simple process, but a hard one. Make the right decision and I'll be happy to quit with you.
Tumblewort is a wise man, CavesforOJ
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Ok - this is the deal.....
I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
On day 2 and it is not too bad .
I'm not perfect but I am also not a shitty caver with no accountability.
I'm sorry that you're quitting for OJ. He's pissed and he still has his gloves.
Hey bro, like you I was on here before and caved. Very early - but still caved. Like you I had some pride about coming back. Especially when I was in the fog. Unlike you I sacked up and actually answered the questions with some thought. Also you need to notify you previous group.
No one is perfect, you wanna do the drill and utilize the site and the people on it. Have some testicular fortitude and answer these folks and get involved. Don't come friggen post and don't do what these guys are asking... That's chicken chit
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Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup
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Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup
Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'
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Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup
Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'
This is what you need to answer in NOV and your old quit group:
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What will you do to make sure it doesn't happen again?
I'd take a little time to think about this and not just go off pissing and moaning about it...
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Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup
Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'
This is what you need to answer in NOV and your old quit group:
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What will you do to make sure it doesn't happen again?
I'd take a little time to think about this and not just go off pissing and moaning about it...
quitforsoj, you even see this? (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=8485918&t=10423364) Do you even care?
When I look in the mirror all I see is wetness from pissing into the wind.
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Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup
Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'
This is what you need to answer in NOV and your old quit group:
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What will you do to make sure it doesn't happen again?
I'd take a little time to think about this and not just go off pissing and moaning about it...
quitforsoj, you even see this? (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=8485918&t=10423364) Do you even care?
When I look in the mirror all I see is wetness from pissing into the wind.
Do or Do Not...There is no Try.
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Completed day 2 - no issues/ the challenge is to hit 200days ... 300 etc
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Completed day 2 - no issues/ the challenge is to hit 200days ... 300 etc
You will have 199 challenges before you hit 200 days.
You need to worry about todays challenge.
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Good point -
Focus on today as that is the only day I have control over ---
Can't change the past
Can't jump to the future
Today is all I got!
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The issue is to confront the attitudes that led to your failure.
I was out of town and actually just got news of a large new customer signing up with us- all good news but what do I do -// go to the C store and but a can of cope .... WTF not sure why I bought cope I Was always a kodiak guy.
Why - not sure but do know what I could have done to try and prevent it from happening - could have reached out but did not ..... Also I bet if I post roll past 100 that would have helped
What is going to be different - I will post roll as I did last to
Time but will continue to do so after I hit 100. Also being more active on The boards.
I really do not care if anyone buys my rational or not - I really do not care - only thing I know is that it about. 40 hours since I have had no and that is what matters to me.
------ yes I DO CARE and FUCKED up - that is what happened and I am SORRY that I did.
I hope that my f up - helps someone else realize it can happen to them -
Completed day 2 - no issues/ the challenge is to hit 200days ... 300 etc
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
Several things smell of failure
1. You aren''t interested in what others say. Still doing it your way.
2. you are still focused on being quit x number of days. There is no magic number of days after which you are cured. Nicotine is no respecter of time.
3. you are still treating quit as if there was some sort of happy accident of luck. True, we are not perfect, luckily we don't have to be perfect or even very bright to follow a 2 step program repeated daily. Caving cannot happen to you unless you choose to let it.
4. You still have no sense of what this addiction is? You chose copenhagen over kodiak? dunno why? Cause you weren't addicted to kodiak, you were addicted to NICOTINE! Doesn't matter the flavor of your failure.
5. You celebrated a victory with dip. That means you still regard dip as a reward. Keep romanticizing dip and failure will follow you until you decide that you are no longer going to look at dip that way.
You have to want this. I'm not seeing it.
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The issue is to confront the attitudes that led to your failure.
I was out of town and actually just got news of a large new customer signing up with us- all good news but what do I do -// go to the C store and but a can of cope .... WTF not sure why I bought cope I Was always a kodiak guy.
Why - not sure but do know what I could have done to try and prevent it from happening - could have reached out but did not ..... Also I bet if I post roll past 100 that would have helped
What is going to be different - I will post roll as I did last to
Time but will continue to do so after I hit 100. Also being more active on The boards.
I really do not care if anyone buys my rational or not - I really do not care - only thing I know is that it about. 40 hours since I have had no and that is what matters to me.
------ yes I DO CARE and FUCKED up - that is what happened and I am SORRY that I did.
I hope that my f up - helps someone else realize it can happen to them -
Completed day 2 - no issues/ the challenge is to hit 200days ... 300 etc
For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.
Several things smell of failure
1. You aren''t interested in what others say. Still doing it your way.
2. you are still focused on being quit x number of days. There is no magic number of days after which you are cured. Nicotine is no respecter of time.
3. you are still treating quit as if there was some sort of happy accident of luck. True, we are not perfect, luckily we don't have to be perfect or even very bright to follow a 2 step program repeated daily. Caving cannot happen to you unless you choose to let it.
4. You still have no sense of what this addiction is? You chose copenhagen over kodiak? dunno why? Cause you weren't addicted to kodiak, you were addicted to NICOTINE! Doesn't matter the flavor of your failure.
5. You celebrated a victory with dip. That means you still regard dip as a reward. Keep romanticizing dip and failure will follow you until you decide that you are no longer going to look at dip that way.
You have to want this. I'm not seeing it.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and offer your thoughts - great point on cope .... It is the nicotine that knocked on my "door" and I was stupid enough to answer!
The associating the dip
With a victory is a powerful observation - thank you for pointing that out
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Day three of my final quit and going strong - good sleep last night.
Seems easier this time around and not sure why
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First trip since quit - this time around I am less nervous
And know that I can do this - however guard is up as I failed in my last quit when I Made the decision to dip - the one dip turned into many over the next 7 to 8 weeks. Back on the quit ..
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First trip since quit - this time around I am less nervous
And know that I can do this - however guard is up as I failed in my last quit when I Made the decision to dip - the one dip turned into many over the next 7 to 8 weeks. Back on the quit ..
I am glad your guard is up. Eventually quit is going to become routine. Your sense of the importance to keep your guard up is going to lessen - It happens to all of us, and it is the most dangerous attitude in a "mature quit". Some of those that have seemingly had solid quits here lost their bearings... not in the storm that signifies the trials of an early quit, rather during the calm seas when the nic bitch likes to whisper and call quits onto the rocks. People have sacrificed YEARS quit because they got overconfident. Because they got complacent. Because they forgot.
Never forget how hard you fought to rid yourself of this nasty addiction. Be confident in your ability yet humble in your weakness.... Otherwise she will feed on overconfidence, waiting for you to get complacent, to get lazy in your quit..she LOVES a lazy quit. The nic bitch will beat a lazy quit - every time.
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Thank you - great advice / I want to be done with this nic crap......
I was once quit for about 8 years and then one day ....
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Thank you - great advice / I want to be done with this nic crap......
I was once quit for about 8 years and then one day ....
You were not quit for 8 years. You just stopped using during that time. Keep posting roll every day. Do NOT MISS ONE DAY OF ROLL CALL. Others will hold you accountable. Hold them accountable as well. Repeat the success the next day. You need to spend a huge amount of time learning about your addiction on this site. I know you use a iphone but there are other people on this site who only use a iphone and they spend the necessary time to learn about their addiction and the information on this site.
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Thank you - learning more each day.
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Thank you - great advice / I want to be done with this nic crap......
I was once quit for about 8 years and then one day ....
You were not quit for 8 years. You just stopped using during that time. Keep posting roll every day. Do NOT MISS ONE DAY OF ROLL CALL. Others will hold you accountable. Hold them accountable as well. Repeat the success the next day. You need to spend a huge amount of time learning about your addiction on this site. I know you use a iphone but there are other people on this site who only use a iphone and they spend the necessary time to learn about their addiction and the information on this site.
Quitforsoj,
I am becoming a regular on your intro. who is this soj that you are quit for? anyway....
"I want to be done with this nic crap"
Want... another word that sends alarm bells clanging through KTC. I wanted to quit for at least 25 of the 33 years that I used. It was not enough.
When I got here, I was thoroughly beat down by my addiction. There was nothing I wouldn't do to quit, but I felt as if I didn't have what it took. I felt that I was powerless in the face of my addiction.. The people here schooled me rather quickly... and as I post roll each day, I reflect on that with gratefulness.
I am convinced 100% that everyone can be quit if they choose. I am also convinced that there exists a rock bottom for this addiction just like any other. For some rock bottom comes in the form of the weariness of being a slave to nicotine. For others it is disgust with the amount of time stolen from those they love to feed their addiction, for some it is the inevitable embarrassment of having a lipper in, for others it is the diagnosis of mouth/throat/stomach cancer or heart disease/hypertension/circulation issues. For others it is being tired of the constant fear of cancer. Mine was a combination of many of these things, but especially social embarrassment and the fear of cancer.
But that is my story- not yours. I can't define your rock bottom - that is up to you. If you are at that point where you are ready to quit I can tell you with dead certainty that the word want has no place here. the statement should read "I AM done with this NIC CRAP!
Your success is only limited to your desire to quit.
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30year .... Thank you for your post / you are 100
Percent correct that there is no place for want but rather will.
Henry Ford once said
Something to the effect of it doesn't matter if you think you can or can't you are always right.
My reasoning for being done with this crap is all of the above reasons - the time taken, health issues , embarrassment , always worried that I had a fresh can etc etc etc..
You hit on something important ... Quitforsoj -/ soj is a person and not me ... That is where I was all wrong - the quit is for me and not for someone else. Yes they are happy but it is for me first.,,,
Nic is a powerful addiction - day 5 and I got a big crave today -
Not sure why but I was stuck in traffic, by the time it cleared the crave passed.
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Are you ever going to care enough to give an honest, in-depth response to the 3 questions in November? Just curious is there is "a will" there with this outstanding issue. Although I think I know the answer ... here's to you proving me wrong.
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Yes will post
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Yes will post
Is today the day? Golly I hope so......
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Yes will post
Is today the day? Golly I hope so......
Posted yesterday
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Day 7 going strong --- communicating via pm
Much more than last time ..... Craves are present but not too strong --- currently. In
A week with a ton of triggers.... Travel / out of town / stress / client meetings / presentations .... Having to be "on" all day - etc
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Day 7 going strong --- communicating via pm
Much more than last time ..... Craves are present but not too strong --- currently. In
A week with a ton of triggers.... Travel / out of town / stress / client meetings / presentations .... Having to be "on" all day - etc
Craves last an average of just a few minutes- Every time you beat a trigger you get stronger. Stay With it
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Day 7 going strong --- communicating via pm
Much more than last time ..... Craves are present but not too strong --- currently. In
A week with a ton of triggers.... Travel / out of town / stress / client meetings / presentations .... Having to be "on" all day - etc
Craves last an average of just a few minutes- Every time you beat a trigger you get stronger. Stay With it
Get involved man. As much as I love reading how well your quit is going, fucking GET INVOLVED. Want this quit. Own this quit.
You can do it.
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Day 7 going strong --- communicating via pm
Much more than last time ..... Craves are present but not too strong --- currently. In
A week with a ton of triggers.... Travel / out of town / stress / client meetings / presentations .... Having to be "on" all day - etc
Craves last an average of just a few minutes- Every time you beat a trigger you get stronger. Stay With it
Get involved man. As much as I love reading how well your quit is going, fucking GET INVOLVED. Want this quit. Own this quit.
You can do it.
Get involved - I am .... By posting support for others
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Hanging strong with the rest of the November group who I think accept me now.
Question for you all -- I was at my car dealership and noticed that the person who took care of me had a big dip in ....how would be the best way to into someone to this site -- just tell them. Of course they have to want to quit - but am I out of line
Mentioning it? I do not know this person well.
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Hanging strong with the rest of the November group who I think accept me now.
Question for you all -- I was at my car dealership and noticed that the person who took care of me had a big dip in ....how would be the best way to into someone to this site -- just tell them. Of course they have to want to quit - but am I out of line
Mentioning it? I do not know this person well.
Personally... I wouldn't say anything to him. Just worry about YOU, especially with your quit so young.
Maybe as your quit evolves and you get to know him better, you could casually bring up the fact that you used to do that and see how it progresses from there. I wouldn't preach to him.
That's my 2 pennies.
Quit on...
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Hanging strong with the rest of the November group who I think accept me now.
Question for you all -- I was at my car dealership and noticed that the person who took care of me had a big dip in ....how would be the best way to into someone to this site -- just tell them. Of course they have to want to quit - but am I out of line
Mentioning it? I do not know this person well.
Personally... I wouldn't say anything to him. Just worry about YOU, especially with your quit so young.
Maybe as your quit evolves and you get to know him better, you could casually bring up the fact that you used to do that and see how it progresses from there. I wouldn't preach to him.
That's my 2 pennies.
Quit on...
Thank you - the way that my auto has been acting I will see more of him in the future and like you said don't preach.
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Has anyone tried the iphone apps
I am chew free or
Quit for health
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Hanging strong with the rest of the November group who I think accept me now.
Question for you all -- I was at my car dealership and noticed that the person who took care of me had a big dip in ....how would be the best way to into someone to this site -- just tell them. Of course they have to want to quit - but am I out of line
Mentioning it? I do not know this person well.
Personally... I wouldn't say anything to him. Just worry about YOU, especially with your quit so young.
Maybe as your quit evolves and you get to know him better, you could casually bring up the fact that you used to do that and see how it progresses from there. I wouldn't preach to him.
That's my 2 pennies.
Quit on...
Thank you - the way that my auto has been acting I will see more of him in the future and like you said don't preach.
If it is acting up just let me know and we will get you into a brand new shiney one. ;)
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Day 7 going strong --- communicating via pm
Much more than last time ..... Craves are present but not too strong --- currently. In
A week with a ton of triggers.... Travel / out of town / stress / client meetings / presentations .... Having to be "on" all day - etc
Craves last an average of just a few minutes- Every time you beat a trigger you get stronger. Stay With it
Get involved man. As much as I love reading how well your quit is going, fucking GET INVOLVED. Want this quit. Own this quit.
You can do it.
Get involved - I am .... By posting support for others
Where are you bro? You post roll and skip out....you following the recipe from your last stoppage? Do what you said here and posting support for others...don't just be a robot.
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Hey quitsforsemen, when are you going to pull your fucking head out of your ass and post the correct number of days quit? For over a month we have told you that you keep giving your self 2 free days. Do you ever spend more than 1 minute on this site? Didn't you already cave twice? Let me guess, day 102 (you will post 104) you will vacate and 6 months later, you will be posting roll in June 2015.