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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Pit Viper on March 27, 2014, 12:32:00 AM
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Ok Guys and Gals, I've been rubbing snuff for about 18 years now. I've decided after MANY failed attempts that I'm going to kick its ass this time. I'm working on my 4th day of freedom right , having some trouble concentrating, feeling foggy. Can anybdy explain to me,or help me post on Roll Call? And help me get signed up for everything?
Thanks in advance,
Pit Viper (Greg Mayes)
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Ok Guys and Gals, I've been rubbing snuff for about 18 years now. I've decided after MANY failed attempts that I'm going to kick its ass this time. I'm working on my 4th day of freedom right , having some trouble concentrating, feeling foggy. Can anybdy explain to me,or help me post on Roll Call? And help me get signed up for everything?
Thanks in advance,
Pit Viper (Greg Mayes)
Welcome aboard Viper. Click on the welcome center above and read about posting roll, it is the backbone of our quitting. Quit one day at a time, we all can do that.
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Ok Guys and Gals, I've been rubbing snuff for about 18 years now. I've decided after MANY failed attempts that I'm going to kick its ass this time. I'm working on my 4th day of freedom right , having some trouble concentrating, feeling foggy. Can anybdy explain to me,or help me post on Roll Call? And help me get signed up for everything?
                    Thanks in advance,
                                  Pit Viper (Greg Mayes)
Welcome aboard Viper. Click on the welcome center above and read about posting roll, it is the backbone of our quitting. Quit one day at a time, we all can do that.
Welcome Pit. This is the place to be if you're serious about your quit. PM me if you need a number or anything.
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
Alright Pit Viper, way to get your quit going. It is very possible to stay quit. We all have been through what your going through. You have found the right place man. Just dont use incotine in any form, and you will remain quit.
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
Alright Pit Viper, way to get your quit going. It is very possible to stay quit. We all have been through what your going through. You have found the right place man. Just dont use incotine in any form, and you will remain quit.
Hey. Make sure you go to the July 2014 quit group and post roll. You have to do that every day. That is the key.
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
Alright Pit Viper, way to get your quit going. It is very possible to stay quit. We all have been through what your going through. You have found the right place man. Just dont use incotine in any form, and you will remain quit.
Hey. Make sure you go to the July 2014 quit group and post roll. You have to do that every day. That is the key.
Posting roll is one of the biggest ways to stay quit. Stay true to your word when you promise to not use nicotine today. Do it for yourself. Your quit can't be for anyone but you. If you need any support/encouragement: you'll find it from pretty much anyone on these boards. Welcome. Proud to quit with you today.
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
I kill a bear by pulling back the bolt, inserting a shell, twisting and pushing bolt forward, gently resting butt against shoulder, bringing the scope up to my eye, taking a shallow breath in and then gently squeezing (not pulling) the trigger when the crosshairs are right in the center of the vitals; luckily for you posting roll is much easier than dragging that bear back out of the woods though!
1 - quit for you and you alone, let everyone enjoy the luxury of your being around longer
2 - post roll daily here's How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) post with your quit group Pre HOF July 2014 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9756)
3 - meet fellow quitters and exchange phone numbers, this will become more valuable to you than anything else
4 - get family buy in and support, here is one helpful document Spousal Support (http://www.killthecan.org/community/spousal-support/)
5 - read the stories here
6 - focus on today only, never tomorrow, or in a week or anytime but today
7 - find an alternative and have that alternative with you at all times (fake dip, candy, lots of water)
P.S. The above underlined and Bold words are links to other places on this site (all safe).
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Thanks guys for the welcome. Hardest damn thing I've done in a long time,but I'm thankful I found this site. Looking forward to getting to know you all. Thanks again. I will do my roll call in the AM
I kill a bear by pulling back the bolt, inserting a shell, twisting and pushing bolt forward, gently resting butt against shoulder, bringing the scope up to my eye, taking a shallow breath in and then gently squeezing (not pulling) the trigger when the crosshairs are right in the center of the vitals; luckily for you posting roll is much easier than dragging that bear back out of the woods though!
1 - quit for you and you alone, let everyone enjoy the luxury of your being around longer
2 - post roll daily here's How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50) post with your quit group Pre HOF July 2014 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9756)
3 - meet fellow quitters and exchange phone numbers, this will become more valuable to you than anything else
4 - get family buy in and support, here is one helpful document Spousal Support (http://www.killthecan.org/community/spousal-support/)
5 - read the stories here
6 - focus on today only, never tomorrow, or in a week or anytime but today
7 - find an alternative and have that alternative with you at all times (fake dip, candy, lots of water)
P.S. The above underlined and Bold words are links to other places on this site (all safe).
P
Welcome pv. ODAAT NAFAR
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Hello all. I'm on day four of my quit,and today I am not feeling well. Is this normal? I've got a headache,a craving that will not go away ,and I am VERY frustrated. Please comment. Oh and for some reason I cannot post Roll Call from my phone,can someone help? 'help' :(
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you are going through the suck, or the fog...the headache and feeling like shit is normal but it will go away. You know what doesn't go away? Cancer! Just take a breath, go get some fireballs and you'll get through it. You are serious about your quit or you wouldn't have reached out.
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Hello all. I'm on day four of my quit,and today I am not feeling well. Is this normal? I've got a headache,a craving that will not go away ,and I am VERY frustrated. Please comment. Oh and for some reason I cannot post Roll Call from my phone,can someone help? 'help'Â :(
I posted roll for you PitViper. You have to stay quit all day now! You are in the middle of the crap right now. Things get better but you have to trudge through a huge pile of shit for awhile till you see the good stuff for yourself. See you tomorrow.
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@jayd41,thank you for commenting. I am serious about quitting,but when do the cravings let up? 'bang head' I feel like I cannot concentrate on anything.
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@jayd41,thank you for commenting. I am serious about quitting,but when do the cravings let up? 'bang head' I feel like I cannot concentrate on anything.
Unfortunately i cannot give you an exact time frame...what i can tell you is that i'm on day 9 and yeah i still have pretty consistent craves but the fogginess has subsided a little. I would say that your body might still be kicking the nicotine out of your system which means you are on the very tail end of the hard part. you got it man...
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I found this to be pretty accurate (give a few days here or there). The craves continue on and pop up from time to time and will forever, but the severity reduces greatly, your toolbox grows and your ability to resist grows. Bottom line is build your network of accountability. Make your group and some guys folks you know, and you will have a much harder time breaking your word. It is a web of accountability.
Always remember, you only have to promise to be quit today, keep that promise and repeat tomorrow.
http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wha ... t-dipping/ (http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/what-to-expect-when-you-quit-dipping/)
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If you read through other peoples intros you will notice that the cravings fade in time but they never seem to just plain go away.
When I was a newbie to the site I heard the words "it get's better" or other items and thought they were complete Bullshit. However, I have learned that in fact many of them were right and it has gotten better.
My cravings subsided a ton after about two weeks. Then they slowly got further and further apart.
My advice is find something to do when you get a craving. I do burpees and then place an atomic fireball into my mouth. Find what works for you.
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Remember... you are in control of this quit. YOU!
You make all the decisions here... not the bitch.
Take a perverse pleasure in how nasty this is. It's the price of healing and freedom and it's very worth it! Rewiring takes some reworking... riding a crave out requires extra effort. Physical activity is top on my list. Do something! The more effort you put into the fight now... the stronger your quit down the road. You have lots of tools here on KTC... people and knowledge. Take advantage of both. Rock on bro...
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Thank you all very much. This site and you all are a blessing. Was feeling very alone before finding this site! B)
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Gallipolis, Ohio, huh. I am right down the road from you in Rio Grande.
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I'm here with ya viper... Just keep your word, post roll and stay quit! We are going through the same shit together... sent my info to ya via pm, was good talking the other day on chat..
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You're killin it bud, proud to quit with you today.
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Stay with it PV..we're with you.
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Stay strong. We can do this...
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NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP.
Truer words were never spoken. Congrats on the hof and keep these gems coming. Thanks!
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Congrats on the 100 Pit Viper! Quit Like Fuck!
Wolfe
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Pit ... huge Congrats on the 2nd floor bro! Proud to be quit with you EDD, and proud to have you as a DD quitter!
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July is hitting the 2nd floor, look out! Nice quit PV!
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I see you've been on repeatedly today ... "lurking", more than likely full of shame for caving on a group of brothers. As well you should be. Here's your HOF speech:
July 1,2014
At the age of 15 I became a slave to nicotine. At first, I felt in control, alive.It started with Skoal Bandits. We use to sneak them at school. It was fun.
Soon the fun wasn't there so much as the need. Like any other addiction, it took control from me. Soon I was checking my can to see if I had enough to last me til the next day, searching my truck for just enough change to buy a can. Cleaning out the endless abyss of empty snuff cans and spit bottles in my truck or car. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
Sadly this went on for the next 17 years or so. My wife, the doctors, the dentist, they all tried to get me to quit, even tried meds to help me quit. Every time I thought about quitting, I would end up using more. Every time I worried about my gums bleeding, or the white patches of skin in my mouth, or the raw bloody patches, I would end up using more.
Until one day, I'm not sure what changed in me, I logged on to the computer and searched quitting smokeless tobacco, and stumbled across this site.
To this day, I don't know why I quit, and I don't want to question it. Maybe it's because when I read some of the posts here, I realized, there is life after the nic bitch. If these guys did it, so can I. All I know is that it opened my eyes, the excuses wouldn't work anymore. NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP. I now had to keep my word.
It has not been easy, but when it seemed to hard to keep my quit, I would read the roll call, I would get on chat, or I would text my buddy Yemtig, he was going threw it with me, he understood.Its hard to believe it has been 100 days since I quit, but there is no magical number saying that it's over. Still have make that concise decision each day, not to become that slave again.
In closing, I want to say Thanks you Thank you to all of you here on KTC. I know that I've been pretty quiet these first 100 days of my quit, posted roll and moved along, but I'm here for the long haul. If I can help just one person break free of their addiction, I will do all I can.One again,Thank you all for your support, tough love and friendship.QLF EDD ODAAT with you all.
Pit Viper aka Greg
You chose to fail. There is no excuse ... you're the one in control (or not) of your addiction. You chose to fail probably 300+ days ago ... you just prolonged it until now. I can't begin to count the number of times I sent a reminder text to get your ass on roll. You half-assed this latest stoppage, all the way up to failure at 489 days. Hopefully someone else can read this pile-of-shit intro and gain another notch in their "not fucking ever going to be me" belt. I hope Yemtig reads it. I can tell you this ... more than likely we'll move on without a discussion in July ... because you never really bought in. 'Finger'
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I see you've been on repeatedly today ... "lurking", more than likely full of shame for caving on a group of brothers. As well you should be. Here's your HOF speech:
July 1,2014
At the age of 15 I became a slave to nicotine. At first, I felt in control, alive.It started with Skoal Bandits. We use to sneak them at school. It was fun.
Soon the fun wasn't there so much as the need. Like any other addiction, it took control from me. Soon I was checking my can to see if I had enough to last me til the next day, searching my truck for just enough change to buy a can. Cleaning out the endless abyss of empty snuff cans and spit bottles in my truck or car. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
Sadly this went on for the next 17 years or so. My wife, the doctors, the dentist, they all tried to get me to quit, even tried meds to help me quit. Every time I thought about quitting, I would end up using more. Every time I worried about my gums bleeding, or the white patches of skin in my mouth, or the raw bloody patches, I would end up using more.
Until one day, I'm not sure what changed in me, I logged on to the computer and searched quitting smokeless tobacco, and stumbled across this site.
To this day, I don't know why I quit, and I don't want to question it. Maybe it's because when I read some of the posts here, I realized, there is life after the nic bitch. If these guys did it, so can I. All I know is that it opened my eyes, the excuses wouldn't work anymore. NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP. I now had to keep my word.
It has not been easy, but when it seemed to hard to keep my quit, I would read the roll call, I would get on chat, or I would text my buddy Yemtig, he was going threw it with me, he understood.Its hard to believe it has been 100 days since I quit, but there is no magical number saying that it's over. Still have make that concise decision each day, not to become that slave again.
In closing, I want to say Thanks you Thank you to all of you here on KTC. I know that I've been pretty quiet these first 100 days of my quit, posted roll and moved along, but I'm here for the long haul. If I can help just one person break free of their addiction, I will do all I can.One again,Thank you all for your support, tough love and friendship.QLF EDD ODAAT with you all.
Pit Viper aka Greg
You chose to fail. There is no excuse ... you're the one in control (or not) of your addiction. You chose to fail probably 300+ days ago ... you just prolonged it until now. I can't begin to count the number of times I sent a reminder text to get your ass on roll. You half-assed this latest stoppage, all the way up to failure at 489 days. Hopefully someone else can read this pile-of-shit intro and gain another notch in their "not fucking ever going to be me" belt. I hope Yemtig reads it. I can tell you this ... more than likely we'll move on without a discussion in July ... because you never really bought in. 'Finger'
Man I can't even imagine what throwing 500 days of this brotherhood away must feel like. Time for a little soul searching. What does this complete failure feel like?
July has lost 2 members in about a month. First macgregor and now you. Both have a similar past. Semi frequent posts unless prompted. Few if any posts outside of roll. Didn't utilize the brotherhood when things got tough.
What does this feel like? Let's hear it.
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I see you've been on repeatedly today ... "lurking", more than likely full of shame for caving on a group of brothers. As well you should be. Here's your HOF speech:
July 1,2014
At the age of 15 I became a slave to nicotine. At first, I felt in control, alive.It started with Skoal Bandits. We use to sneak them at school. It was fun.
Soon the fun wasn't there so much as the need. Like any other addiction, it took control from me. Soon I was checking my can to see if I had enough to last me til the next day, searching my truck for just enough change to buy a can. Cleaning out the endless abyss of empty snuff cans and spit bottles in my truck or car. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
Sadly this went on for the next 17 years or so. My wife, the doctors, the dentist, they all tried to get me to quit, even tried meds to help me quit. Every time I thought about quitting, I would end up using more. Every time I worried about my gums bleeding, or the white patches of skin in my mouth, or the raw bloody patches, I would end up using more.
Until one day, I'm not sure what changed in me, I logged on to the computer and searched quitting smokeless tobacco, and stumbled across this site.
To this day, I don't know why I quit, and I don't want to question it. Maybe it's because when I read some of the posts here, I realized, there is life after the nic bitch. If these guys did it, so can I. All I know is that it opened my eyes, the excuses wouldn't work anymore. NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP. I now had to keep my word.
It has not been easy, but when it seemed to hard to keep my quit, I would read the roll call, I would get on chat, or I would text my buddy Yemtig, he was going threw it with me, he understood.Its hard to believe it has been 100 days since I quit, but there is no magical number saying that it's over. Still have make that concise decision each day, not to become that slave again.
In closing, I want to say Thanks you Thank you to all of you here on KTC. I know that I've been pretty quiet these first 100 days of my quit, posted roll and moved along, but I'm here for the long haul. If I can help just one person break free of their addiction, I will do all I can.One again,Thank you all for your support, tough love and friendship.QLF EDD ODAAT with you all.
Pit Viper aka Greg
You chose to fail. There is no excuse ... you're the one in control (or not) of your addiction. You chose to fail probably 300+ days ago ... you just prolonged it until now. I can't begin to count the number of times I sent a reminder text to get your ass on roll. You half-assed this latest stoppage, all the way up to failure at 489 days. Hopefully someone else can read this pile-of-shit intro and gain another notch in their "not fucking ever going to be me" belt. I hope Yemtig reads it. I can tell you this ... more than likely we'll move on without a discussion in July ... because you never really bought in. 'Finger'
Man I can't even imagine what throwing 500 days of this brotherhood away must feel like. Time for a little soul searching. What does this complete failure feel like?
July has lost 2 members in about a month. First macgregor and now you. Both have a similar past. Semi frequent posts unless prompted. Few if any posts outside of roll. Didn't utilize the brotherhood when things got tough.
What does this feel like? Let's hear it.
It's easier to understand a Newb caving. Maybe they haven't learned about their addiction and may not have been around long enough to build an arsenal of quit tools. But a man caving after almost 500 days? That's unreal. That's a man who wasted his resources. That's a fucking slap in the face! Hope it feels good.
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I see you've been on repeatedly today ... "lurking", more than likely full of shame for caving on a group of brothers. As well you should be. Here's your HOF speech:
July 1,2014
At the age of 15 I became a slave to nicotine. At first, I felt in control, alive.It started with Skoal Bandits. We use to sneak them at school. It was fun.
Soon the fun wasn't there so much as the need. Like any other addiction, it took control from me. Soon I was checking my can to see if I had enough to last me til the next day, searching my truck for just enough change to buy a can. Cleaning out the endless abyss of empty snuff cans and spit bottles in my truck or car. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
Sadly this went on for the next 17 years or so. My wife, the doctors, the dentist, they all tried to get me to quit, even tried meds to help me quit. Every time I thought about quitting, I would end up using more. Every time I worried about my gums bleeding, or the white patches of skin in my mouth, or the raw bloody patches, I would end up using more.
Until one day, I'm not sure what changed in me, I logged on to the computer and searched quitting smokeless tobacco, and stumbled across this site.
To this day, I don't know why I quit, and I don't want to question it. Maybe it's because when I read some of the posts here, I realized, there is life after the nic bitch. If these guys did it, so can I. All I know is that it opened my eyes, the excuses wouldn't work anymore. NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP. I now had to keep my word.
It has not been easy, but when it seemed to hard to keep my quit, I would read the roll call, I would get on chat, or I would text my buddy Yemtig, he was going threw it with me, he understood.Its hard to believe it has been 100 days since I quit, but there is no magical number saying that it's over. Still have make that concise decision each day, not to become that slave again.
In closing, I want to say Thanks you Thank you to all of you here on KTC. I know that I've been pretty quiet these first 100 days of my quit, posted roll and moved along, but I'm here for the long haul. If I can help just one person break free of their addiction, I will do all I can.One again,Thank you all for your support, tough love and friendship.QLF EDD ODAAT with you all.
Pit Viper aka Greg
You chose to fail. There is no excuse ... you're the one in control (or not) of your addiction. You chose to fail probably 300+ days ago ... you just prolonged it until now. I can't begin to count the number of times I sent a reminder text to get your ass on roll. You half-assed this latest stoppage, all the way up to failure at 489 days. Hopefully someone else can read this pile-of-shit intro and gain another notch in their "not fucking ever going to be me" belt. I hope Yemtig reads it. I can tell you this ... more than likely we'll move on without a discussion in July ... because you never really bought in. 'Finger'
Man I can't even imagine what throwing 500 days of this brotherhood away must feel like. Time for a little soul searching. What does this complete failure feel like?
July has lost 2 members in about a month. First macgregor and now you. Both have a similar past. Semi frequent posts unless prompted. Few if any posts outside of roll. Didn't utilize the brotherhood when things got tough.
What does this feel like? Let's hear it.
It's easier to understand a Newb caving. Maybe they haven't learned about their addiction and may not have been around long enough to build an arsenal of quit tools. But a man caving after almost 500 days? That's unreal. That's a man who wasted his resources. That's a fucking slap in the face! Hope it feels good.
Personally, I don't think a Newb caving is "easy" to understand. If you post roll, you give your word and your promise. If you cave and you posted roll then you broke your promise and you are a worthless piece of shit with no integrity. Doesn't matter if you posted and caved on day 10 or day 510. You post then cave....you suck. Period.
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I see you've been on repeatedly today ... "lurking", more than likely full of shame for caving on a group of brothers. As well you should be. Here's your HOF speech:
July 1,2014
At the age of 15 I became a slave to nicotine. At first, I felt in control, alive.It started with Skoal Bandits. We use to sneak them at school. It was fun.
Soon the fun wasn't there so much as the need. Like any other addiction, it took control from me. Soon I was checking my can to see if I had enough to last me til the next day, searching my truck for just enough change to buy a can. Cleaning out the endless abyss of empty snuff cans and spit bottles in my truck or car. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
Sadly this went on for the next 17 years or so. My wife, the doctors, the dentist, they all tried to get me to quit, even tried meds to help me quit. Every time I thought about quitting, I would end up using more. Every time I worried about my gums bleeding, or the white patches of skin in my mouth, or the raw bloody patches, I would end up using more.
Until one day, I'm not sure what changed in me, I logged on to the computer and searched quitting smokeless tobacco, and stumbled across this site.
To this day, I don't know why I quit, and I don't want to question it. Maybe it's because when I read some of the posts here, I realized, there is life after the nic bitch. If these guys did it, so can I. All I know is that it opened my eyes, the excuses wouldn't work anymore. NO MORE BULLSHIT. I CAN'T PUSS OUT AND LET DOWN MY GROUP. I now had to keep my word.
It has not been easy, but when it seemed to hard to keep my quit, I would read the roll call, I would get on chat, or I would text my buddy Yemtig, he was going threw it with me, he understood.Its hard to believe it has been 100 days since I quit, but there is no magical number saying that it's over. Still have make that concise decision each day, not to become that slave again.
In closing, I want to say Thanks you Thank you to all of you here on KTC. I know that I've been pretty quiet these first 100 days of my quit, posted roll and moved along, but I'm here for the long haul. If I can help just one person break free of their addiction, I will do all I can.One again,Thank you all for your support, tough love and friendship.QLF EDD ODAAT with you all.
Pit Viper aka Greg
You chose to fail. There is no excuse ... you're the one in control (or not) of your addiction. You chose to fail probably 300+ days ago ... you just prolonged it until now. I can't begin to count the number of times I sent a reminder text to get your ass on roll. You half-assed this latest stoppage, all the way up to failure at 489 days. Hopefully someone else can read this pile-of-shit intro and gain another notch in their "not fucking ever going to be me" belt. I hope Yemtig reads it. I can tell you this ... more than likely we'll move on without a discussion in July ... because you never really bought in. 'Finger'
Man I can't even imagine what throwing 500 days of this brotherhood away must feel like. Time for a little soul searching. What does this complete failure feel like?
July has lost 2 members in about a month. First macgregor and now you. Both have a similar past. Semi frequent posts unless prompted. Few if any posts outside of roll. Didn't utilize the brotherhood when things got tough.
What does this feel like? Let's hear it.
It's easier to understand a Newb caving. Maybe they haven't learned about their addiction and may not have been around long enough to build an arsenal of quit tools. But a man caving after almost 500 days? That's unreal. That's a man who wasted his resources. That's a fucking slap in the face! Hope it feels good.
Personally, I don't think a Newb caving is "easy" to understand. If you post roll, you give your word and your promise. If you cave and you posted roll then you broke your promise and you are a worthless piece of shit with no integrity. Doesn't matter if you posted and caved on day 10 or day 510. You post then cave....you suck. Period.
His absolute bullshit from July '14 ... the month he caved "on":
I let myself and my July brothers down four nights ago. I was on my 488th day of quit,and I gave in to a moment of weakness. No Excuses.
1. What Happened? Was the designated driver for a night out. Was very bored and was not having fun watching everybody else have fun. A friend handed me a cigarette and I smoked it.
2.Why did it happen? It happened because I was aggitated,bored,and I was weak.
3.What are you going to do differently? I am always going to be on guard ,and reach out to my Brothers in my times of weakness.
I'm very sorry to let you all down. Give me Hell. I deserve it.
You post then cave ... you suck. Period. - Steakbomb18