KillTheCan.org Accountability Forum
Community => Introductions => Topic started by: kc0bid on September 14, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
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Greetings All,
My name is John. I grew up working on a tobacco farm in South Carolina. I have been hitting the can since I was 13 years old. I am now 35 and still chewing. That is 22 years of being a slave to tobacco! 'bang head' I did quit once before for a few months but really had no support to make it. I want to quit, I need to quit, I hope you can help me quit! Starting NOW!!!!!
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kc0bid you have come to the right place!!!. You can DO this but it won't be easy! Get yourself in the December 2011 group and post your day 1. While you're are at it tell us a little about yourself. Quit for today and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes. Its going to SUCK for the first week or two but stay the course and it will get better over time. BEST DECISION you will ever make! Life is SO much better not being a slave!!!! Now Let's get started!!! PM me if you need anything.
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I have at least these 3 things in common with you:
- grew up working tobacco farms (in Kentucky)
- 35 yrs old
- nicotine addict
You have found the right place if you want to become a hardcore quitter. The next few days are going to suck like no other. Embrace them and muscle through. You got this, man. Do it.
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Welcome aboard. Be accountable for your quit, post roll and get to know the others in the December quit group. Read this entire site as much as you can, especially all the welcome center links uptop. We can do this. Quit for Today with me!
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Were here with you. The first couple weeks does suck but once you get through that things get much better. Fake dip really helps too!
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As I am reading through this site I am finding a lot of vulgarity. Like very tasteless jokes about writing erotic novels for children. :blink: Is this common place? I am not knocking anyone's freedom of speech but it will be very easy for me to get turned off from this group if that stuff is common.
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This board is for people of all walks of life . If you look deep enough there is a verse of the day from the Bible if that's your speed . We are adults and it's time to man up and fucking quit . If you want to be offended don't join and suck your shit bro .
Jump on and enjoy your fog and embrace it , otherwise Fuck it .
brainsore
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I assume that you were talking about the conversation that Chewie and I were having. I have yet to see any other example of somebody talking about erotics childrens literature.
Not going to tell you to quit and stay or don't quit and leave, but it is a big site and there could be a ton of stuff you might be able to enjoy.
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KC I'm taking a deep breath and using some self restraint right now. Typically, I would take this opportunity to launch into a cuss session of weaving a colorful fabric of expletives and homo-erotic love. I understand you sensibilities might find that too on the edge. I respect that. I will convey instead that this is an online community. We use whatever methods we can to motivate, support and communicate with our brothers and sisters battling addiction. In my experience, most members seem okay with it and rather embrace the spirit of the fight. There is no prejudice here except towards nicotine addiction and the ghey lame ass ball gargling mother fuckers that cave....sorry...sorry...let me compose myself. I think if you have backbone and the passion and desire to end this 22 year daily ingestion of poison, there is no better place to do it than here. You could not purchase support like you will receive here. You will not find the accountability to yourself anywhere else. This will change your life. This will make you a new man. What do you say? Will you join me in this fight? Can I jump down in that hole with you and may be we can find the way out together?
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I assume that you were talking about the conversation that Chewie and I were having. I have yet to see any other example of somebody talking about erotics childrens literature.
Not going to tell you to quit and stay or don't quit and leave, but it is a big site and there could be a ton of stuff you might be able to enjoy.
That was just one example that stuck out, as a father, Cubmaster, Ham radio Elmer for a kids club and as a man that spends the majority of his off time teaching and tutoring children. Another reason I quit chewing, need to set a better example for the kids. The post before your in this thread is another. The F bomb is dropped way too much 'round these parts. There is a lot of great info here but I do not want to worry about if my kids are reading over my shoulder. I think I will lurk in the areas that appeal to me and stay out of the ones that don't, sadly that means I will not be in the December 2011 thread.
Maybe I will look for that verse of the day :rolleyes:
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KC I'm taking a deep breath and using some self restraint right now. Typically, I would take this opportunity to launch into a cuss session of weaving a colorful fabric of expletives and homo-erotic love. I understand you sensibilities might find that too on the edge. I respect that. I will convey instead that this is an online community. We use whatever methods we can to motivate, support and communicate with our brothers and sisters battling addiction. In my experience, most members seem okay with it and rather embrace the spirit of the fight. There is no prejudice here except towards nicotine addiction and the ghey lame ass ball gargling mother fuckers that cave....sorry...sorry...let me compose myself. I think if you have backbone and the passion and desire to end this 22 year daily ingestion of poison, there is no better place to do it than here. You could not purchase support like you will receive here. You will not find the accountability to yourself anywhere else. This will change your life. This will make you a new man. What do you say? Will you join me in this fight? Can I jump down in that hole with you and may be we can find the way out together?
I am not really that sensitive, my work does not allow me to be. Yes I do want to give up the 22 year addiction. I also was not trying to start a war, I am just trying to get a feel if this is the right place for me or not. I was in the Army for 10 years and worked in a prison for many years. Trust me I am not a sensitive guy. But as a father... yada yada yada the potty mouth was another addiction/habit I had to break also so I try to avoid it.
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KC I'm taking a deep breath and using some self restraint right now. Typically, I would take this opportunity to launch into a cuss session of weaving a colorful fabric of expletives and homo-erotic love. I understand you sensibilities might find that too on the edge. I respect that. I will convey instead that this is an online community. We use whatever methods we can to motivate, support and communicate with our brothers and sisters battling addiction. In my experience, most members seem okay with it and rather embrace the spirit of the fight. There is no prejudice here except towards nicotine addiction and the ghey lame ass ball gargling mother fuckers that cave....sorry...sorry...let me compose myself. I think if you have backbone and the passion and desire to end this 22 year daily ingestion of poison, there is no better place to do it than here. You could not purchase support like you will receive here. You will not find the accountability to yourself anywhere else. This will change your life. This will make you a new man. What do you say? Will you join me in this fight? Can I jump down in that hole with you and may be we can find the way out together?
I am not really that sensitive, my work does not allow me to be. Yes I do want to give up the 22 year addiction. I also was not trying to start a war, I am just trying to get a feel if this is the right place for me or not. I was in the Army for 10 years and worked in a prison for many years. Trust me I am not a sensitive guy. But as a father... yada yada yada the potty mouth was another addiction/habit I had to break also so I try to avoid it.
reach down and grab onto your balls and just quit quit complaining. You can say whatever you want but the hadrass shit on this site works. I don't need some mambie pambie loving to help quit, I need a hardass, son of a bitch to stay on my ass. Nothing else has worked so give some more drill sargeant.
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Hey John,
My $0.02 for what it's worth. You can live "in" this world and not be "of" this world. The important part is posting roll with your quit group, December. 5 seconds of your time. Now go do it and let's get on with your quit. We're all with you. See you tomorrow for day 2.
Phil4
P.s. New man rule: the phrase "potty mouth" shall be restricted for use by only those without testicles.
:D
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KC I'm taking a deep breath and using some self restraint right now. Typically, I would take this opportunity to launch into a cuss session of weaving a colorful fabric of expletives and homo-erotic love. I understand you sensibilities might find that too on the edge. I respect that. I will convey instead that this is an online community. We use whatever methods we can to motivate, support and communicate with our brothers and sisters battling addiction. In my experience, most members seem okay with it and rather embrace the spirit of the fight. There is no prejudice here except towards nicotine addiction and the ghey lame ass ball gargling mother fuckers that cave....sorry...sorry...let me compose myself. I think if you have backbone and the passion and desire to end this 22 year daily ingestion of poison, there is no better place to do it than here. You could not purchase support like you will receive here. You will not find the accountability to yourself anywhere else. This will change your life. This will make you a new man. What do you say? Will you join me in this fight? Can I jump down in that hole with you and may be we can find the way out together?
I am not really that sensitive, my work does not allow me to be. Yes I do want to give up the 22 year addiction. I also was not trying to start a war, I am just trying to get a feel if this is the right place for me or not. I was in the Army for 10 years and worked in a prison for many years. Trust me I am not a sensitive guy. But as a father... yada yada yada the potty mouth was another addiction/habit I had to break also so I try to avoid it.
reach down and grab onto your balls and just quit quit complaining. You can say whatever you want but the hadrass shit on this site works. I don't need some mambie pambie loving to help quit, I need a hardass, son of a bitch to stay on my ass. Nothing else has worked so give some more drill sargeant.
And THAT'S why I post up with this guy! Right on, Motrout.
KC, as Ben Franklin said, you don't wear the same suit to a dinner at home as you would to a fancy ball, or something like that. Franklin was always saying folksy shit, can't keep up with all of it.
The point is, I don't talk like this around my child. I DO talk like this around grown men, like Motrout, and grown women, like Gmann, because I know they ARE grown and often actually need to be talked to in that way. Is it a sign of an inferior mind? Hell I don't know, I'm an addict.
I don't know about the conversation you referenced. I DO know that Chewie was my first supporter here, when I QUIT more than two years ago. Not sure about Timeless yet, he's a newb, and his avatar gives me the willies. But he's QUIT, and posting roll, and I'm supporting his creepy ass.
If you'll post roll, I'll be in your corner too. Roll is the absolute minimum needed of anyone here, and there's some quitters who have been off nicotine for years and never did more than post roll.
OK by me, I'm not here for polite company, I'm here for accountability. It works.
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That was just one example that stuck out, as a father, Cubmaster, Ham radio Elmer for a kids club and as a man that spends the majority of his off time teaching and tutoring children.Â
Alright, KC...your Cubmaster comment caught my attention so now I need to jump in. This might get long so make yourself comfortable.
I'm not going to berate you for having sensitive eyes/ears, but I will ask you this question: What's your priority, being offended or being quit?
It may not be explicitly stated, but this IS a site for adults. That means some colorful language at times, pictures/avatars of a sexual nature, and definitely a number of people who like to use their words to shock some members who might be struggling and sliding toward a cave. It's clearly not for the meek. However, I can understand your concerns.
I am also highly involved in the BSA...Pack Trainer, Cubmaster, District Training Committee Chair, Wood Badge staff x3, getting ready to start a new troop...you get the idea. The reason I mention all that is because of the question I first asked. Like you, I teach children (including my three youngest) on a regular basis, and I teach the adult leaders of the BSA in how to make their programs better...and I'm an addict.
So, I ask myself that question again. My answer, and I would assume your answer would be the same, is that I can't be a role model to the youth and the leaders who teach them if I'm walking around with a big wad of Copenhagen stuffed into my lip. That's a clear violation of the 11th Scout Law. Now given that, you might respond with the Scout Oath...specifically about keeping myself "morally straight", and I could see the conflict with some of the things that go on around here. But, I would ask you to examine the standard of "morally straight". What does it mean to you? For me, it means that I will not engage in any activity that would bring my character into question...bottom line, "do the right thing". I don't see anything on KTC that would even come close to bringing my character into question.
I've been quit for 86 days as of this morning and it's all because I found this site and got engaged in it. I have a wife and three young kids still at home. I don't get on the site when the kids are around because I don't want to expose them to the content of the site...that doesn't mean that the site is wrong, just too much for their young brains to process. I don't use "colorful language" around them, but I do from time to time on here. My wife knows how things work on the site, and she's ok with it...I say that because if my moral character is at a level of 10, she would be around 38...she has very high standards. I'm still trying to figure out why she married me, but I digress... The point is that you have to make the choice of whether or not you want to be offended.
There may be an offhand comment from time to time, and when someone does something stupid like caving you'll hear things that would make a sailor blush...and I can say that with confidence since I was a sailor...however, I can assure you that it's all about supporting each other, nothing with malicious intent anywhere. And, as far as "erotica for children" goes, I'll guarentee you that if there was ANY questionable activity like that going on, the vast majority of the people here would put an immediate squash on it. These are good people...good people who I owe my life to. They will save your life too...if you let them. The choice is yours. If you quit with us today, we'll quit with you. You won't find support like what you'll find here ANYWHERE. I sincerely hope you join us. Shoot me a message offline if you need anything. 'archer'
BTW, here's the link for Verse of the Day (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3732) which I also read...hope to see you there too.
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John, here is my advise to you. Take what you can use and leave the rest. In other words just disregard that which offends you. Go to your quit group and post roll daily. Keep that promise to not dip for 24 hrs. and repeat the next day.
You DO NOT have to participate in discussions you find morally repugnant if you do not wish.
I would like to suggest to the rest of you to let it go.
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John, here is my advise to you. Take what you can use and leave the rest. In other words just disregard that which offends you. Go to your quit group and post roll daily. Keep that promise to not dip for 24 hrs. and repeat the next day.
You DO NOT have to participate in discussions you find morally repugnant if you do not wish.
I would like to suggest to the rest of you to let it go.
I second that opinion, and this is the way I look at it. KTC is a tool. It only functions when you use it, and it is your choice how to use it and how much. I for one dislike some of the drama that can get going on here so I choose not to get involved or pay it too much mind. However I am on this site constantly reading, and it helps me quit everyday. I can't quit by myself, I have proven that in the past, With the help of the knuckleheads on KTC i can quit with their help, I have proven that today.
So hop in the fox hole with the rest of us, don't worry about what we are doing outside of the fact we are quitting like crazy, and we will fight by your side.
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I am sorry, I had to make a comment!
"potty mouth"---seriously???
Take what you need and leave the rest, but don't come to our house and try and rearrange the furniture.
Post Roll and Quit, don't use the potty mouths around here as an excuse to keep killing yourself.
Have you posted roll yet? Are you still dipping?
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I am sorry, I had to make a comment!
"potty mouth"---seriously???
Take what you need and leave the rest, but don't come to our house and try and rearrange the furniture.
Post Roll and Quit, don't use the potty mouths around here as an excuse to keep killing yourself.
Have you posted roll yet? Are you still dipping?
Yes I posted roll, I am on day 3 and it sucks really bad. I am a cranky son of a bi... I am starting to see why people here can be such dicks. It is the addiction talking.
I am NOT trying to rearrange the F'ing furniture. I asked a out right question to see if this group was right for me. Sort of a interview. And all I got was shit on. Nice very nice, guys. Good way to run someone off. I did get a couple of supportive PMs. Which are what convinced me to stay.
Maybe a message of... "We are all here with the same goal... Kill the can so we do not kick the bucket... as a new quitter you may not realize that the lack of poison in your body might make you a dick for awhile. Bare with us and we will do the same for you. We can and will quit together!"
See nice simple explanation.
So after having not chewed in 3 days all I got to say is I am with you. I WILL post roll, I will stay quit.
Thank you for those who support me in quitting and 'Finger' to the rest of you assholes!!!!
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I am sorry, I had to make a comment!
"potty mouth"---seriously???
Take what you need and leave the rest, but don't come to our house and try and rearrange the furniture.
Post Roll and Quit, don't use the potty mouths around here as an excuse to keep killing yourself.
Have you posted roll yet? Are you still dipping?
Yes I posted roll, I am on day 3 and it sucks really bad. I am a cranky son of a bi... I am starting to see why people here can be such dicks. It is the addiction talking.
I am NOT trying to rearrange the F'ing furniture. I asked a out right question to see if this group was right for me. Sort of a interview. And all I got was shit on. Nice very nice, guys. Good way to run someone off. I did get a couple of supportive PMs. Which are what convinced me to stay.
Maybe a message of... "We are all here with the same goal... Kill the can so we do not kick the bucket... as a new quitter you may not realize that the lack of poison in your body might make you a dick for awhile. Bare with us and we will do the same for you. We can and will quit together!"
See nice simple explanation.
So after having not chewed in 3 days all I got to say is I am with you. I WILL post roll, I will stay quit.
Thank you for those who support me in quitting and 'Finger' to the rest of you assholes!!!!
That is it! Let it all out on this site. That is what the site is for. Keep it here and not near the kids. The nic is from heck is it not? She knows you are serious about quit and boy is she pissed. 1 day at a time.
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I am sorry, I had to make a comment!
"potty mouth"---seriously???
Take what you need and leave the rest, but don't come to our house and try and rearrange the furniture.
Post Roll and Quit, don't use the potty mouths around here as an excuse to keep killing yourself.
Have you posted roll yet? Are you still dipping?
Yes I posted roll, I am on day 3 and it sucks really bad. I am a cranky son of a bi... I am starting to see why people here can be such dicks. It is the addiction talking.
I am NOT trying to rearrange the F'ing furniture. I asked a out right question to see if this group was right for me. Sort of a interview. And all I got was shit on. Nice very nice, guys. Good way to run someone off. I did get a couple of supportive PMs. Which are what convinced me to stay.
Maybe a message of... "We are all here with the same goal... Kill the can so we do not kick the bucket... as a new quitter you may not realize that the lack of poison in your body might make you a dick for awhile. Bare with us and we will do the same for you. We can and will quit together!"
See nice simple explanation.
So after having not chewed in 3 days all I got to say is I am with you. I WILL post roll, I will stay quit.
Thank you for those who support me in quitting and 'Finger' to the rest of you assholes!!!!
That is it! Let it all out on this site. That is what the site is for. Keep it here and not near the kids. The nic is from heck is it not? She knows you are serious about quit and boy is she pissed. 1 day at a time.
Atta Boy, KC!
But FYI, some of us really are just dicks!
Glad to see you enter the ring.
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Yes I posted roll, I am on day 3 and it sucks really bad. I am a cranky son of a bi... I am starting to see why people here can be such dicks. It is the addiction talking.
I am NOT trying to rearrange the F'ing furniture. I asked a out right question to see if this group was right for me. Sort of a interview. And all I got was shit on. Nice very nice, guys. Good way to run someone off. I did get a couple of supportive PMs. Which are what convinced me to stay.
Maybe a message of... "We are all here with the same goal... Kill the can so we do not kick the bucket... as a new quitter you may not realize that the lack of poison in your body might make you a dick for awhile. Bare with us and we will do the same for you. We can and will quit together!"
See nice simple explanation.
So after having not chewed in 3 days all I got to say is I am with you. I WILL post roll, I will stay quit.
Thank you for those who support me in quitting and 'Finger' to the rest of you assholes!!!! [/QUOTE]
Who is this bad@ss quitter?? Looks like somebody has drunk the koolaid. Awesome! Good job posting day 3, kc0bid. Hang there, man. Muscle through this. You're going through the hardest part. Embrace the suck. You got this!
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I am sorry, I had to make a comment!
"potty mouth"---seriously???
Take what you need and leave the rest, but don't come to our house and try and rearrange the furniture.
Post Roll and Quit, don't use the potty mouths around here as an excuse to keep killing yourself.
Have you posted roll yet? Are you still dipping?
Yes I posted roll, I am on day 3 and it sucks really bad. I am a cranky son of a bi... I am starting to see why people here can be such dicks. It is the addiction talking.
I am NOT trying to rearrange the F'ing furniture. I asked a out right question to see if this group was right for me. Sort of a interview. And all I got was shit on. Nice very nice, guys. Good way to run someone off. I did get a couple of supportive PMs. Which are what convinced me to stay.
Maybe a message of... "We are all here with the same goal... Kill the can so we do not kick the bucket... as a new quitter you may not realize that the lack of poison in your body might make you a dick for awhile. Bare with us and we will do the same for you. We can and will quit together!"
See nice simple explanation.
So after having not chewed in 3 days all I got to say is I am with you. I WILL post roll, I will stay quit.
Thank you for those who support me in quitting and 'Finger' to the rest of you assholes!!!!
NOW you are talking like a quitter!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!! 'worship'
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Good Job Brother!
I am with you all the way! Let me know if you need anything!
Peace Out
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Who is this vulgar prick :) ?
Welcome aboard and enjoy the ride .
brainsore
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That was just one example that stuck out, as a father, Cubmaster, Ham radio Elmer for a kids club and as a man that spends the majority of his off time teaching and tutoring children.Â
Alright, KC...your Cubmaster comment caught my attention so now I need to jump in. This might get long so make yourself comfortable.
I'm not going to berate you for having sensitive eyes/ears, but I will ask you this question: What's your priority, being offended or being quit?
It may not be explicitly stated, but this IS a site for adults. That means some colorful language at times, pictures/avatars of a sexual nature, and definitely a number of people who like to use their words to shock some members who might be struggling and sliding toward a cave. It's clearly not for the meek. However, I can understand your concerns.
I am also highly involved in the BSA...Pack Trainer, Cubmaster, District Training Committee Chair, Wood Badge staff x3, getting ready to start a new troop...you get the idea. The reason I mention all that is because of the question I first asked. Like you, I teach children (including my three youngest) on a regular basis, and I teach the adult leaders of the BSA in how to make their programs better...and I'm an addict.
So, I ask myself that question again. My answer, and I would assume your answer would be the same, is that I can't be a role model to the youth and the leaders who teach them if I'm walking around with a big wad of Copenhagen stuffed into my lip. That's a clear violation of the 11th Scout Law. Now given that, you might respond with the Scout Oath...specifically about keeping myself "morally straight", and I could see the conflict with some of the things that go on around here. But, I would ask you to examine the standard of "morally straight". What does it mean to you? For me, it means that I will not engage in any activity that would bring my character into question...bottom line, "do the right thing". I don't see anything on KTC that would even come close to bringing my character into question.
I've been quit for 86 days as of this morning and it's all because I found this site and got engaged in it. I have a wife and three young kids still at home. I don't get on the site when the kids are around because I don't want to expose them to the content of the site...that doesn't mean that the site is wrong, just too much for their young brains to process. I don't use "colorful language" around them, but I do from time to time on here. My wife knows how things work on the site, and she's ok with it...I say that because if my moral character is at a level of 10, she would be around 38...she has very high standards. I'm still trying to figure out why she married me, but I digress... The point is that you have to make the choice of whether or not you want to be offended.
There may be an offhand comment from time to time, and when someone does something stupid like caving you'll hear things that would make a sailor blush...and I can say that with confidence since I was a sailor...however, I can assure you that it's all about supporting each other, nothing with malicious intent anywhere. And, as far as "erotica for children" goes, I'll guarentee you that if there was ANY questionable activity like that going on, the vast majority of the people here would put an immediate squash on it. These are good people...good people who I owe my life to. They will save your life too...if you let them. The choice is yours. If you quit with us today, we'll quit with you. You won't find support like what you'll find here ANYWHERE. I sincerely hope you join us. Shoot me a message offline if you need anything. 'archer'
BTW, here's the link for Verse of the Day (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3732) which I also read...hope to see you there too.
Taz...you said "Wood badge staff"
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That was just one example that stuck out, as a father, Cubmaster, Ham radio Elmer for a kids club and as a man that spends the majority of his off time teaching and tutoring children.Â
Alright, KC...your Cubmaster comment caught my attention so now I need to jump in. This might get long so make yourself comfortable.
I'm not going to berate you for having sensitive eyes/ears, but I will ask you this question: What's your priority, being offended or being quit?
It may not be explicitly stated, but this IS a site for adults. That means some colorful language at times, pictures/avatars of a sexual nature, and definitely a number of people who like to use their words to shock some members who might be struggling and sliding toward a cave. It's clearly not for the meek. However, I can understand your concerns.
I am also highly involved in the BSA...Pack Trainer, Cubmaster, District Training Committee Chair, Wood Badge staff x3, getting ready to start a new troop...you get the idea. The reason I mention all that is because of the question I first asked. Like you, I teach children (including my three youngest) on a regular basis, and I teach the adult leaders of the BSA in how to make their programs better...and I'm an addict.
So, I ask myself that question again. My answer, and I would assume your answer would be the same, is that I can't be a role model to the youth and the leaders who teach them if I'm walking around with a big wad of Copenhagen stuffed into my lip. That's a clear violation of the 11th Scout Law. Now given that, you might respond with the Scout Oath...specifically about keeping myself "morally straight", and I could see the conflict with some of the things that go on around here. But, I would ask you to examine the standard of "morally straight". What does it mean to you? For me, it means that I will not engage in any activity that would bring my character into question...bottom line, "do the right thing". I don't see anything on KTC that would even come close to bringing my character into question.
I've been quit for 86 days as of this morning and it's all because I found this site and got engaged in it. I have a wife and three young kids still at home. I don't get on the site when the kids are around because I don't want to expose them to the content of the site...that doesn't mean that the site is wrong, just too much for their young brains to process. I don't use "colorful language" around them, but I do from time to time on here. My wife knows how things work on the site, and she's ok with it...I say that because if my moral character is at a level of 10, she would be around 38...she has very high standards. I'm still trying to figure out why she married me, but I digress... The point is that you have to make the choice of whether or not you want to be offended.
There may be an offhand comment from time to time, and when someone does something stupid like caving you'll hear things that would make a sailor blush...and I can say that with confidence since I was a sailor...however, I can assure you that it's all about supporting each other, nothing with malicious intent anywhere. And, as far as "erotica for children" goes, I'll guarentee you that if there was ANY questionable activity like that going on, the vast majority of the people here would put an immediate squash on it. These are good people...good people who I owe my life to. They will save your life too...if you let them. The choice is yours. If you quit with us today, we'll quit with you. You won't find support like what you'll find here ANYWHERE. I sincerely hope you join us. Shoot me a message offline if you need anything. 'archer'
BTW, here's the link for Verse of the Day (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3732) which I also read...hope to see you there too.
Taz...you said "Wood badge staff"
Yep... B)