KillTheCan.org Accountability Forum
Community => Introductions => Topic started by: xrmattaz on January 05, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
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Howdy, Matt here, Preskit AZ.
Copenhagen for 25 years or so, trying to quit for 20 of those, it WILL happen this time, good to find this website!
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Howdy, Matt here, Preskit AZ.
Copenhagen for 25 years or so, trying to quit for 20 of those, it WILL happen this time, good to find this website!
You bet Matt. This website is the key to sustaining a quit. Accountability is the game and if you're really ready you'll stay quit too.
Join the April group, post daily and make your committment to quitting one day at a time.
PM if I can be of any further assistance. Or head to the chatroom, look for a gay guy named gator. He can help you further as well.
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Congrats Matt. Great choice! Post roll, stay quit that day, and repeat. It is as simple as that.
Embrace the suck and remember the pain...it will help motivate you to stay away from the Nic bitch. Read all you can on this website.
Remember, you are in the fight of your life. And it is one worth winning!!!
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Howdy, Matt here, Preskit AZ.
Copenhagen for 25 years or so, trying to quit for 20 of those, it WILL happen this time, good to find this website!
Welcome Matt!
Best decision of your life. Get it done, we will help you. Read, read, and then when you're done read some more.
Brian
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:lol: I cannot believe my wife STILL doesn't know I quit, even after 7 days of ZERO nicotine.
Last night, she finished drinking a soda and asked me if I needed the empty can, I just said "no thanks" and left it at that. I'm going to let it go for as long as I can stand it, I guess!
I know she's been bizzy at work and stuff.....but sheesh! She did ask me, a few days ago, why I was eating so many sunflower seeds.......it was four o'clock in the morning, I'd just rolled out of bed.
Think I should tell her, or let it go on?
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i'd say let it go on! seems like its a motivator for ya ! btw SEEDS are Key!
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i'd say let it go on! seems like its a motivator for ya ! btw SEEDS are Key!
I think I will let it go......I've only been with her for 20 years, and dipping Copenhagen the entire time....why the hell would she notice I'd quit? lol
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:lol: I cannot believe my wife STILL doesn't know I quit, even after 7 days of ZERO nicotine.
Last night, she finished drinking a soda and asked me if I needed the empty can, I just said "no thanks" and left it at that. I'm going to let it go for as long as I can stand it, I guess!
I know she's been bizzy at work and stuff.....but sheesh! She did ask me, a few days ago, why I was eating so many sunflower seeds.......it was four o'clock in the morning, I'd just rolled out of bed.
Think I should tell her, or let it go on?
Matt,
Thats some funny shit. I'd let it go, make a game of it. Proud to be quit with you!!!
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:lol: I cannot believe my wife STILL doesn't know I quit, even after 7 days of ZERO nicotine.
Last night, she finished drinking a soda and asked me if I needed the empty can, I just said "no thanks" and left it at that. I'm going to let it go for as long as I can stand it, I guess!
I know she's been bizzy at work and stuff.....but sheesh! She did ask me, a few days ago, why I was eating so many sunflower seeds.......it was four o'clock in the morning, I'd just rolled out of bed.
Think I should tell her, or let it go on?
Matt,
Thats some funny shit. I'd let it go, make a game of it. Proud to be quit with you!!!
I would encourage you to tell her ASAP...while without question you quit for yourself and yourself alone...I feel it is best to involve as many people as possible. Especially your spouse. It builds more accountability...if she doesn't know you quit, well then that makes it even easy to fail and not have to be questioned.
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I understand what you're saying, Bigb.
My accountability to this site, and to my April group will not falter, though.....let me play just a little longer....pleeeeeeze!
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I understand what you're saying, Bigb.
My accountability to this site, and to my April group will not falter, though.....let me play just a little longer....pleeeeeeze!
I'll bet you a bag of dill pickle seeds she's noticed already.....prob not trying to get her hopes up.
Expand your accountability, tell your wife. This quit is for real right?....... or is it?
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I understand what you're saying, Bigb.Â
My accountability to this site, and to my April group will not falter, though.....let me play just a little longer....pleeeeeeze!
I'll bet you a bag of dill pickle seeds she's noticed already.....prob not trying to get her hopes up.
Expand your accountability, tell your wife. This quit is for real right?....... or is it?
I'll have her call you directly when I divulge the info, or she figgers it out.....I like dill pickle seeds.
Yes, my quit is absolute, and for real. Thanks for the concern, muy appreciado.
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I understand what you're saying, Bigb.Â
My accountability to this site, and to my April group will not falter, though.....let me play just a little longer....pleeeeeeze!
I'll bet you a bag of dill pickle seeds she's noticed already.....prob not trying to get her hopes up.
Expand your accountability, tell your wife. This quit is for real right?....... or is it?
I'll have her call you directly when I divulge the info, or she figgers it out.....I like dill pickle seeds.
Yes, my quit is absolute, and for real. Thanks for the concern, muy appreciado.
Welcome to the fight. I'm 44 days quit and my wife still doesn't believe I'm done with that shit! I guess after so many years saying I quit I can't blame her. It just makes my quit stronger! If you need anything feel free to contact me. I will be watching for your roll call in April. Stay strong!
Kevin
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:lol: Ok, I told her last night when we went to bed, and she truly was surprised, and naturally just a bit miffed that I hadn't told her days earlier.
She's never been one to harp on me for my dipping, as she always said I'm the "cleanest dipper" she's ever known....always brushing my teeth/rinsing my mouth/chewing gum after a dip, so my mouth was clean post dip. The spit cup in the car during travels always bothered ME more than her, I was truly embarrassed about that one.
So now she's on my anti-nic support team, and knows from my past alcohol and prescription drug addictions/recoveries that I'll do well, as long as I do my homework/footwork/grunt work.
Good to have my best friend on my April team!
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:lol: Ok, I told her last night when we went to bed, and she truly was surprised, and naturally just a bit miffed that I hadn't told her days earlier.
She's never been one to harp on me for my dipping, as she always said I'm the "cleanest dipper" she's ever known....always brushing my teeth/rinsing my mouth/chewing gum after a dip, so my mouth was clean post dip. The spit cup in the car during travels always bothered ME more than her, I was truly embarrassed about that one.
So now she's on my anti-nic support team, and knows from my past alcohol and prescription drug addictions/recoveries that I'll do well, as long as I do my homework/footwork/grunt work.
Good to have my best friend on my April team!
;)
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Howdy, Matt here, Preskit AZ.
Copenhagen for 25 years or so, trying to quit for 20 of those, it WILL happen this time, good to find this website!
Nice to be in your quit group.
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:unsure: Days 13/14 and 15 did indeed have me "on my knees", again.
Near-panic attacks (that I've never had previously), and just a general feeling of angst, which lasted several days. Felt like I was either going to explode or implode, very "on edge". Actually put a large rubber band on my wrist, and snapped it hard many times, just to get my feet back on the ground.
If I had a Valium rx, I'd have taken a tablet or nine.
Much mo' betta today (Day 16), so far.
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:unsure: Days 13/14 and 15 did indeed have me "on my knees", again.
Near-panic attacks (that I've never had previously), and just a general feeling of angst, which lasted several days. Felt like I was either going to explode or implode, very "on edge". Actually put a large rubber band on my wrist, and snapped it hard many times, just to get my feet back on the ground.
If I had a Valium rx, I'd have taken a tablet or nine.
Much mo' betta today (Day 16), so far.
xmatt,
your getting hit with whats known as the two week weakness. Feels like day one again? it'll pass. Watch the caffiene intake!!! If you need to , go talk to your family doc and see if he can give you anything to help the anxiety in the short term. I actually drove myself to the hospital thinking I was having a heart attack (panic attack), I think Chewie had the same experience. Nicotine is some bad bad mojo , your body is a mess from it, just breathe and quit one day at a time. YOU CAN DO THIS.
sm
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Hang tough. I had a bad day on day 40. Feel much better on day 41. It seems like this comes and goes. So I guess you and I should expect more bouts. That said, they seem to be getting a little bit easier and certainly less frequent for me.
Stay strong brother.
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:unsure: Days 13/14 and 15 did indeed have me "on my knees", again.
Near-panic attacks (that I've never had previously), and just a general feeling of angst, which lasted several days. Felt like I was either going to explode or implode, very "on edge". Actually put a large rubber band on my wrist, and snapped it hard many times, just to get my feet back on the ground.
If I had a Valium rx, I'd have taken a tablet or nine.
Much mo' betta today (Day 16), so far.
xmatt,
your getting hit with whats known as the two week weakness. Feels like day one again? it'll pass. Watch the caffiene intake!!! If you need to , go talk to your family doc and see if he can give you anything to help the anxiety in the short term. I actually drove myself to the hospital thinking I was having a heart attack (panic attack), I think Chewie had the same experience. Nicotine is some bad bad mojo , your body is a mess from it, just breathe and quit one day at a time. YOU CAN DO THIS.
sm
You bet your sweet lily livered ass I can do this, I WILL fucking do this.
Shit, when I quit, I was only doing one can of Copenhagen and twelve or fifteen 4mg. nicotine gums.......like childs play.
This nic bitch can kiss my ass, I will not cave, mark my words.
(I figured three cans of Rockstar and a pot of coffee daily may be contributing to my anxiety, but I wanted to check)
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Hang tough. I had a bad day on day 40. Feel much better on day 41. It seems like this comes and goes. So I guess you and I should expect more bouts. That said, they seem to be getting a little bit easier and certainly less frequent for me.
Stay strong brother.
I will hang tough, Sco.
My daily runs seem to help, and I haven't kilt anyone, yet.
Thank you!
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(I figured three cans of Rockstar and a pot of coffee daily may be contributing to my anxiety, but I wanted to check)
check this out grasshoppa
The Caffeine / Nicotine Interaction
If you feel jittery, extra anxious or are having trouble sleeping after a few days, take a look at your caffeine consumption levels. As shown by the below study, nicotine doubles the rate at which the body depletes caffeine and some caffeine users may find that they cannot tolerate caffeine consumption at pre-quitting levels. If you are feeling extra anxious or jittery you may want to experiment with reducing the quantity or strength of caffeinated drinks or products. If you are not having these difficulties it probably is not important to alter anything now.
As previously discussed there is also a nicotine/alcohol interaction. Nicotine is an alkaloid and alcohol an acid generating event within the body. When chewers drink alcohol it causes them to lose nicotine at an accelerated pace thus resulting in heavier chewing while drinking. Although the situation is similar to caffeine there is one huge difference. Alcohol makes you lose nicotine, thus being responsible for making dippers chew more when drinking.
Nicotine on the other hand interferes with the body's ability to absorb and utilize caffeine, often resulting in a person using more caffeine in order to maintain their minimum needed level. When they quit chewing and continue to consume the exact same amount of caffeine they could find themselves actually overdosing on caffeine.
So look closely at caffeine if symptoms persist longer than a few days. You donÂ’t need to get rid of it all together but just keep it in doses that will not cause unwanted effects. Your general state will likely be calmer and youÂ’ll experience a feeling of overall well-being that you should be able to maintain for the rest of your life.
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The impact of caffeine use on tobacco cessation and withdrawal.
Addictive Behavior 1997 Jan-Feb;22(1): pages 55-68
Swanson JA, Lee JW, Hopp JW, Berk LS.
“Continuous caffeine consumption with chewing cessation has been associated with more than doubled caffeine plasma levels. Such concentrations may be sufficient to produce caffeine toxicity symptoms in chewing abstinence conditions. To test whether caffeine abstinence influences tobacco cessation, 162 caffeine-using nicotine users were enlisted from American Lung Association cessation programs. Volunteers were randomly assigned by clinic to caffeine-use and caffeine-abstinence conditions and measured for 3 weeks post-chewing cessation, at 6 months and one year. Results showed a significant linear increase in caffeine sputum levels across 3 weeks post cessation for those who quit chewing and continued using caffeine. Three weeks after cessation, concentrations reached 203% of baseline for the caffeine user.”
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(I figured three cans of Rockstar and a pot of coffee daily may be contributing to my anxiety, but I wanted to check)
check this out grasshoppa
The Caffeine / Nicotine Interaction
If you feel jittery, extra anxious or are having trouble sleeping after a few days, take a look at your caffeine consumption levels. As shown by the below study, nicotine doubles the rate at which the body depletes caffeine and some caffeine users may find that they cannot tolerate caffeine consumption at pre-quitting levels. If you are feeling extra anxious or jittery you may want to experiment with reducing the quantity or strength of caffeinated drinks or products. If you are not having these difficulties it probably is not important to alter anything now.
As previously discussed there is also a nicotine/alcohol interaction. Nicotine is an alkaloid and alcohol an acid generating event within the body. When chewers drink alcohol it causes them to lose nicotine at an accelerated pace thus resulting in heavier chewing while drinking. Although the situation is similar to caffeine there is one huge difference. Alcohol makes you lose nicotine, thus being responsible for making dippers chew more when drinking.
Nicotine on the other hand interferes with the body's ability to absorb and utilize caffeine, often resulting in a person using more caffeine in order to maintain their minimum needed level. When they quit chewing and continue to consume the exact same amount of caffeine they could find themselves actually overdosing on caffeine.
So look closely at caffeine if symptoms persist longer than a few days. You donÂ’t need to get rid of it all together but just keep it in doses that will not cause unwanted effects. Your general state will likely be calmer and youÂ’ll experience a feeling of overall well-being that you should be able to maintain for the rest of your life.
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The impact of caffeine use on tobacco cessation and withdrawal.
Addictive Behavior 1997 Jan-Feb;22(1): pages 55-68
Swanson JA, Lee JW, Hopp JW, Berk LS.
“Continuous caffeine consumption with chewing cessation has been associated with more than doubled caffeine plasma levels. Such concentrations may be sufficient to produce caffeine toxicity symptoms in chewing abstinence conditions. To test whether caffeine abstinence influences tobacco cessation, 162 caffeine-using nicotine users were enlisted from American Lung Association cessation programs. Volunteers were randomly assigned by clinic to caffeine-use and caffeine-abstinence conditions and measured for 3 weeks post-chewing cessation, at 6 months and one year. Results showed a significant linear increase in caffeine sputum levels across 3 weeks post cessation for those who quit chewing and continued using caffeine. Three weeks after cessation, concentrations reached 203% of baseline for the caffeine user.”
As Always SM is giving you gold right here.
You would be well served to wander over to his intro page and do some reading... that goes for anyone who is reading this.
Tons of GREAT information there...
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Today, attempting to comprehend splitting off the main group into smaller "sub-groups", and what that will accomplish.
Is a group of 60 a BIG group, too big to manage? How about 80?
At SMART, we have ONE group of thousands of folks, from every fucking country in the world, and we are all accountable to one another, and seem to do fine. We know when so and so doesn't post in some time.
My thoughts this morning, for my post and my own edification, no reason to respond.
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I WAS in the April 2011 group, I WAS doing well, then I fucked up.
I'm back now, and I want to succeed, more than anything.
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I WAS in the April 2011 group, I WAS doing well, then I fucked up.
I'm back now, and I want to succeed, more than anything.
Have you decided to succeed?
Why did you fuck up? Whats different this time? What's your plan?
You been here before - you know the drill.
Don't forget your old group April either. Every story is a learning opportunity.
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I WAS in the April 2011 group, I WAS doing well, then I fucked up.
I'm back now, and I want to succeed, more than anything.
WTF?
Spill.
What's going to keep you from fucking up again?
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Damn man, you should be getting close to the one year mark. What the hell happened man?
Why did you cave?
What are you gonna do to keep from caving again?
Your old group is a strong group man..that's a shame.
'Popcorn'
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Dumbass.
Read your own sig line sometimes buttercup.
And yes...you've proven yourself pretty useless now haven't you?
Ferfucksake
Sheer assdooshery.
Dumbass.
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Someone is gonna get with the fucken program eventually. I mean you hit the hof you hit a yr. Why do we stay beccause we know if we dont what will happen. I mean dam we are addicts and always will be until the day we die. Now get your ass on the quit wagon if you have the balls too and quit. Its not hard to quit when you have your mind set. Shut the fucken door.
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Spill it.
Maybe someone can learn from your dumbass.
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Unfuckingbelieveable. This guy, who sat out with Chaos in their own tent city because they couldn't stand the KTC way, is now slinking back without even the common decency to explain to his old group? What a douche.
Matty, you need to man up NOW.
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you're back..big deal.
Post up your cave story
Post up your quit plan
Drink the Kool aid
And don't be a douche this time around. _
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you're back..big deal.
Post up your cave story
Post up your quit plan
Drink the Kool aid
And don't be a douche this time around. _
People act like we charge for the Koolaid around here. It's free, all you gotta do is take what's offered.
It's like bitching about free beer.
Dammit.
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you have to want it and obviously this guy doesn't want it. I wouldn't waste much time on this one til he proves us wrong. I don't think he has it.
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
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In my opinion nobody should respond to this.
Don't feed the trolls.
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
30, lemme tell you somethin'...I never pass up a chance to feed a troll.
So, chaos is it? Your bunkmate throws up a new day one, then is too much a coward to come back and answer some questions...then you magically appear like the little green leprechaun in the cereal commercials. Where's Spanky at? Matt not coming back? YOU coming back to post? Or are YOU even quit?
You want to spout dumbass crap in a topic to which you weren't involved...I got no problems with that. I want answers from you too. You got a problem with that??
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
30, lemme tell you somethin'...I never pass up a chance to feed a troll.
So, chaos is it? Your bunkmate throws up a new day one, then is too much a coward to come back and answer some questions...then you magically appear like the little green leprechaun in the cereal commercials. Where's Spanky at? Matt not coming back? YOU coming back to post? Or are YOU even quit?
You want to spout dumbass crap in a topic to which you weren't involved...I got no problems with that. I want answers from you too. You got a problem with that??
Jeebus. This will be my one and only post on this crap. Too much of a coincidence but these loosers are one in the same. Check the IPs. Pathetic existence regardless.
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
30, lemme tell you somethin'...I never pass up a chance to feed a troll.
So, chaos is it? Your bunkmate throws up a new day one, then is too much a coward to come back and answer some questions...then you magically appear like the little green leprechaun in the cereal commercials. Where's Spanky at? Matt not coming back? YOU coming back to post? Or are YOU even quit?
You want to spout dumbass crap in a topic to which you weren't involved...I got no problems with that. I want answers from you too. You got a problem with that??
Jeebus. This will be my one and only post on this crap. Too much of a coincidence but these loosers are one in the same. Check the IPs. Pathetic existence regardless.
ip's checked...unique locations. However, I do not believe in coincidences. There is certainly a strong indication of collusion.
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
Let this be as notice served. Take it how you wish. The disturbance could be the black hole you are approaching.
:ph43r:
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
Actually, no drama whatsoever. We've all moved along with quitting and are doing just fine. You've probably noted that most of those you expected to cave have not, and we have not heard from you since May until today. I can only surmise what this means.
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
Hi sweet pea.
You are my new 'project'.
Move.
I dare you.
PS - what Day are you on?
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I sensed a great disturbance in the Force. As if there was major drama occurring in the universe.
Hi sweet pea.
You are my new 'project'.
Move.
I dare you.
PS - what Day are you on?
:o