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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: RockNRoll on November 18, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
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So I had been chewing since my senior year of high school. I was a baseball/football/rugby player. So dipping was awesome for downtime. Well what turned into a casual leisure, became a habit, and ultimately-an addiction spiraling out of control.
Today I'm 25, recently engaged, and starting a new chapter of my life. Chew was something I didn't want to bring with me. I was sick of feeling controlled. Two months ago I was dipping a tin and a half of Grizzly Wintergreen longcut a day. I had enough, it was time to stop. The quit scared the crap out of me. I have tried to quit numerous times-cold turkey, patch, nicotine gum. I just couldn't afford the awful withdrawls that come a long with it, especially at work. I wouldn't be productive. I wanted other alternatives.
I read up on Wellbutrin, a pill that I was told by an athletic trainer that a lot of MLB players use to quit chewing tobacco. I talked to my doctor, told him the patch wasn't an option nor was cold turkey. So he wrote me up a prescription for Wellbutrin, 150mg twice a day.
If you don't know Wellbutrin is-it's an anti-depressant taken for depression, and also works as a nicotine cessation.
So a month ago and a half ago I started Wellbutrin. My doctor told me it could take me up to two weeks for the medicine to actually take effect. So a few days went by-nothing noticeable. I still had the exact same urge to chew as I did before. I didn't feel the medication kicking in whatsoever. This remained for a few days. About the 7th day on my medication, I started to notice that my dip tasted weird and somewhat unpleasant. I wondered if the medicine was kicking in, and it was. Even though the dip was starting to taste awful, I was suddenly only chewing half a tin. Much less than what I was chewing before. Then down to a couple pinches. Then the taste became so foul, I didn't want it anywhere around me. The 11th day, the Wellbutrin hit me the hardest. I was hazy, irritable. Almost like nicotine withdrawl, but it was different-not as irritating. Nonetheless, it wasn't a pleasant experience, I felt like I almost had the flu coming on.
I woke up the next day-felt great. Took my medication, still was feeling great. What I'm about to tell you is the best part of my quit.
I've had absolutely no urge to chew since. Not even out habit. It's unappealing. Even on my drives, watching TV/computer, etc. Ever since then, I haven't had one dip, or even one single craving. It was literally like someone hit an off switch. I was feeling great. So great I made it a double whammy to get back in shape. I've already lost 10lbs and back to lean fit, chew free. It's like I'm a totally new person.
I wanted to share my experience with Wellbutrin, and how I believe it has literally, saved my life. I strongly urge those trying to quit, to talk to your doctors about trying it. From what I've read from other people, it has worked wonders for them. I can't recommend this product enough.
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Did you just infomercial me!?
Are you gonna stick around, learn what this site is REALLY all about, join a quit group, post roll everyday to remain quit or... Are you just bragging?
I can't get a read on this.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
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I cant get a read here either the important part is that you are quit. My question is do you have to remain on Wellbutrin or you will cave or what? To each their own, for me personally I needed the kick in the teeth that came with cold turkey...it was that suck that was my baptism into this quit.
Well hope to see you around for more than a Wellbutrin ad post.
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Did you just infomercial me!?
Are you gonna stick around, learn what this site is REALLY all about, join a quit group, post roll everyday to remain quit or... Are you just bragging?
I can't get a read on this.
I've been coming to this site for quite some time, for advice, techniques, or just an inspiring story. I just never signed up to the forum.
I apologize you feel like you heard an infomercial. Is this site not about sharing your experiences to others? If not, then no, fuck your forums. I won't stick around to post and try to help other through their quit, share insights, etc. I have other people to support me without being arrogant. There was nothing remotely "braggy" about my post. Right off the bat on my first post, I truly feel the support.
As far as "bragging" God forbid that I feel proud of myself, and genuinely want my experience to hmm...who knows..help someone else?
Real supportive.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
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I cant get a read here either the important part is that you are quit. My question is do you have to remain on Wellbutrin or you will cave or what? To each their own, for me personally I needed the kick in the teeth that came with cold turkey...it was that suck that was my baptism into this quit.
Well hope to see you around for more than a Wellbutrin ad post.
My prescription is meant to take for a couple of months. Being an anti-depressant as well, I think you have to gradually lower your doses-rather than just stopping your medication intake. I'm still taking it now, so I've got another month on it. Not sure what it will be like once I get off, but at least the nicotine is will be well out of my system, and my habitual routines will be rerouted without chew.
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Did you just infomercial me!?
Are you gonna stick around, learn what this site is REALLY all about, join a quit group, post roll everyday to remain quit or... Are you just bragging?
I can't get a read on this.
I've been coming to this site for quite some time, for advice, techniques, or just an inspiring story. I just never signed up to the forum.
I apologize you feel like you heard an infomercial. Is this site not about sharing your experiences to others? If not, then no, fuck your forums. I won't stick around to post and try to help other through their quit, share insights, etc. I have other people to support me without being arrogant. There was nothing remotely "braggy" about my post. Right off the bat on my first post, I truly feel the support.
As far as "bragging" God forbid that I feel proud of myself, and genuinely want my experience to hmm...who knows..help someone else?
Real supportive.
Stick with it, bud, don't cave.
I see nothing wrong with a temporary non-nic aid to help you get off the shit. Call it a crutch, or whatever, if it helps you get started on your quit, use it. Telling your story may help someone else quit.
Stick around, post roll, and filter out the crap.
Are you gonna stick around, learn what this site is REALLY all about, join a quit group, post roll everyday to remain quit or... Are you just bragging?
I can't get a read on this. [/QUOTE]
I've been coming to this site for quite some time, for advice, techniques, or just an inspiring story. I just never signed up to the forum.
I apologize you feel like you heard an infomercial. Is this site not about sharing your experiences to others? If not, then no, fuck your forums. I won't stick around to post and try to help other through their quit, share insights, etc. I have other people to support me without being arrogant. There was nothing remotely "braggy" about my post. Right off the bat on my first post, I truly feel the support.
As far as "bragging" God forbid that I feel proud of myself, and genuinely want my experience to hmm...who knows..help someone else?
Real supportive.
Stick with it, bud, don't cave.
I see nothing wrong with a temporary non-nic aid to help you get off the shit. Call it a crutch, or whatever, if it helps you get started on your quit, use it. Telling your story may help someone else quit.
Stick around, post roll, and filter out the crap.
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Did you just infomercial me!?
Are you gonna stick around, learn what this site is REALLY all about, join a quit group, post roll everyday to remain quit or... Are you just bragging?
I can't get a read on this.
I've been coming to this site for quite some time, for advice, techniques, or just an inspiring story. I just never signed up to the forum.
I apologize you feel like you heard an infomercial. Is this site not about sharing your experiences to others? If not, then no, fuck your forums. I won't stick around to post and try to help other through their quit, share insights, etc. I have other people to support me without being arrogant. There was nothing remotely "braggy" about my post. Right off the bat on my first post, I truly feel the support.
As far as "bragging" God forbid that I feel proud of myself, and genuinely want my experience to hmm...who knows..help someone else?
Real supportive.
Don't get all butthurt. We see and hear ALOT of stuff here. We need to sift through sometimes. You're young... You have a lot to learn. No harm in that right? You want to show us?... Join the February quit group... Help others, get help yourself. Stick around...
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I used Wellbutrin and failed many years ago.....
There is no magic elixir....there is no easy path....
There have been many "stops" in my battle with cope......there has only been one quit.
Wellbutrin can have benefits and i actually used it for around a year in combination with this forum. I decided that standing shoulder to shoulder with brothers that understood where/what i was going thru and would face was the Kool-Aid i had been hunting. it's very simple....
post roll....realize the magnitude of that act....you are in essence shaking my hand...looking me in the eye and giving me your word.....you are making a vow to me and all the other quitters on this site that "today"...no matter what...
I will not have any nicotine.....I will use the tools on this site....I will use the relationships I build on this site.....I will use any means necessary to honor that vow and commitment.....
No matter what.....
and you can expect the same from me.....
Wake up in the morning and do it again.....over and over.....
This is the Kool-Aid we are serving.....and it works very, very good.
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You have been given some good advice so far, now let's see it.
Now read up the info on the site Welcome Center (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Learn how to post roll How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
Then post Roll here Pre-HOF February 2014 Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8993)
Post Roll daily. This is your promise to stay quit, understand that KTC is all about brotherhood and Accountability. Make sure that these words mean something to you. Also understand that all of us quitters care so when a cave happens people will take that shit personally. We invest time into people and the quit groups are like tight families of quit.
Finally, when your prescriptions are done I recommend that you find an alternative, fake dip, candy, gum, mints, etc. Drink lots of water, so much that you cannot pass a bathroom without having to piss.
P.S. All of the above underlined words are links to the site.
The ball's in your court,
Pinched
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Hey RockNRoll. Welcome to the KTC quit site. We quit cold turkey here because it works. If you want to take methadone, wellbutrin, or whatever, more power to you. But dont come in here like some pharmacological wonder extolling the virtues of your crutch. Instead, come in here like a man and get with our program. Joining us means you will do a few things. First and foremost, you will post Roll. Roll is your daily promise to yourself and all of your new brothers and sisters that you will not use tobacco in any form that day. You will post your name and the number of days you are quit each day in the February 2014 quit group. Each and every day you will post your promise. No exceptions. That is the price of admission to KTC. Nothing more and nothing less. The reason you are put in February is that will be the month that you will celebrate being 100 days free of nicotineÂ…your Hall of Fame date. When you decide to join us and post roll, we will take you alot more seriously. It may sound like tough love, but its a friggin tough world kid.
Now that you know the basics, it is time to read all you can on this site. Go to the welcome center and that will get you started. Post roll and look up at your inbox (1). That is a personal message from me with my telephone number. Lets get your real quit started today. Wayne
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
I appreciate that.
Spending $10.00 chew a day made me feel like a piece of shit, literally and figuratively. My brother in law is also my dentist, and his concern for me as a patient and a family member hit home. My gums have receded big time. I'm getting married, want to save money for our wedding/honeymoon. Most of all, I want to feel like I control myself, and nothing else, I want to take on a more healthy lifestyle. So that I have the tools to take care of myself as I get older.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
I appreciate that.
Spending $10.00 chew a day made me feel like a piece of shit, literally and figuratively. My brother in law is also my dentist, and his concern for me as a patient and a family member hit home. My gums have receded big time. I'm getting married, want to save money for our wedding/honeymoon. Most of all, I want to feel like I control myself, and nothing else, I want to take on a more healthy lifestyle. So that I have the tools to take care of myself as I get older.
You quit today?
What day are you on?
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
I appreciate that.
Spending $10.00 chew a day made me feel like a piece of shit, literally and figuratively. My brother in law is also my dentist, and his concern for me as a patient and a family member hit home. My gums have receded big time. I'm getting married, want to save money for our wedding/honeymoon. Most of all, I want to feel like I control myself, and nothing else, I want to take on a more healthy lifestyle. So that I have the tools to take care of myself as I get older.
You quit today?
What day are you on?
About a month ago I decided to take small step so that I could quit. It's been two weeks since
I've dipped anything. I literally am yet to have a craving yet. I'm just curious how drinking without chewing will go. I haven't had a drink in the two weeks of being chew free.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
I appreciate that.
Spending $10.00 chew a day made me feel like a piece of shit, literally and figuratively. My brother in law is also my dentist, and his concern for me as a patient and a family member hit home. My gums have receded big time. I'm getting married, want to save money for our wedding/honeymoon. Most of all, I want to feel like I control myself, and nothing else, I want to take on a more healthy lifestyle. So that I have the tools to take care of myself as I get older.
You quit today?
What day are you on?
About a month ago I decided to take small step so that I could quit. It's been two weeks since
I've dipped anything. I literally am yet to have a craving yet. I'm just curious how drinking without chewing will go. I haven't had a drink in the two weeks of being chew free.
Always be careful while drinking. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions, and increases your chances of failure.
If you plan to be quit, then you will be quit.
That's why we post roll. Quitting is not a decision. It is a series of actions. All those actions add up to quit. Please join us. It is our price of admission here.
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You can also buy crutches at a hospital supply store. Luckily my testicles dropped enough to allow me to see that I had testicular fortitude on my side and didn't need a crutch.
That's an awesome story about your testicles, bro. You should tell it at parties.
I will be happy to tell that story at your HOF party. However, two things before that. One - you have three posts to your name, all in here, none in a quit group pledging to stay quit. Two - you have to hit your HOF date to have a party and become a veteran.
Finally, careful what you say to whom son. You may be 25 and starting life, good for you. When I was your age my ass was overseas fighting for your freedom "Bro"!
Well it's obvious I'm not in a inviting environment. Sorry I'm not following your precious quitting protocol. Are you missing the most important fact that I am two weeks chew-free? Or does it go against your code of alpha-male bullshit?
Serving is an honorable thing, absolutely. You initially dishing out an insult, only to tell me to be careful of what I say back is acceptable because you served in the military? That's hardly honorable, in fact, that's what they call a "guilt trip". Your service credentials are not meant to be used as a pedestal to talk down to another person.
Good job on 2 weeks man. That is truly awesome.
It is, however, a drop in the bucket to the rest of your life of quit. You can do this, and we can help. Feel free to stick around. I'll have your back if you need anything. What made you quit?
I appreciate that.
Spending $10.00 chew a day made me feel like a piece of shit, literally and figuratively. My brother in law is also my dentist, and his concern for me as a patient and a family member hit home. My gums have receded big time. I'm getting married, want to save money for our wedding/honeymoon. Most of all, I want to feel like I control myself, and nothing else, I want to take on a more healthy lifestyle. So that I have the tools to take care of myself as I get older.
You quit today?
What day are you on?
About a month ago I decided to take small step so that I could quit. It's been two weeks since
I've dipped anything. I literally am yet to have a craving yet. I'm just curious how drinking without chewing will go. I haven't had a drink in the two weeks of being chew free.
Always be careful while drinking. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions, and increases your chances of failure.
If you plan to be quit, then you will be quit.
That's why we post roll. Quitting is not a decision. It is a series of actions. All those actions add up to quit. Please join us. It is our price of admission here.
Wastpanel is spot on - make sure that if do drink like a fish you take appropriate steps. You are going to crave a dip... I would make sure I'm around no one that will have any tobacco... Regardless of your plan realize you are only replacing one bad habit for another.... Sucks I know but over the past several months I've found that the only thing that works for me is staying clear headed and concentrating on my quit. Nothing ruins a great beer buzz more than craving a dip, I just eliminate the buzz. I have control of my life and I am a happier person for it!
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Hey there RnR,
Maybe don't be so quick to get defensive. Folks here are trying to point out how your post came across. I believe you that it wasn't meant that way, but to those of us who have fought through the trenches the KTC way, it came across rather dismissive of the KTC way and full of bravado. That doesn't mean we don't want you here, nor that we don't care. It means we will call it as we see it.
It isn't like we never heard of Welbutrin. Many of us are well aware of how it works, what it does, so back off. Nobody gives a shit if someone uses it to ease the anxiety or depression that can hit pretty hard. Though, as a pre-quit, chantix style thing..... I guess if your doc says its oK and it doesn't contain nicotine, I will defer to your doctor.
The upshot of all this is... if you don't join in the KTC fun, post roll, and get involved, when a craving finally does come, and it will (trust me on this) you will be standing alone in a field with no tools.
That, my friend, is where each of us stood when we failed at quitting by ourselves. Go post roll, join us here and get the accountability happening and the quit juices flowing.
You can do this.
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Hey there RnR,
Maybe don't be so quick to get defensive. Folks here are trying to point out how your post came across. I believe you that it wasn't meant that way, but to those of us who have fought through the trenches the KTC way, it came across rather dismissive of the KTC way and full of bravado. That doesn't mean we don't want you here, nor that we don't care. It means we will call it as we see it.
It isn't like we never heard of Welbutrin. Many of us are well aware of how it works, what it does, so back off. Nobody gives a shit if someone uses it to ease the anxiety or depression that can hit pretty hard. Though, as a pre-quit, chantix style thing..... I guess if your doc says its oK and it doesn't contain nicotine, I will defer to your doctor.
The upshot of all this is... if you don't join in the KTC fun, post roll, and get involved, when a craving finally does come, and it will (trust me on this) you will be standing alone in a field with no tools.
That, my friend, is where each of us stood when we failed at quitting by ourselves. Go post roll, join us here and get the accountability happening and the quit juices flowing.
You can do this.
For me, you have to post roll before you start telling people to F off. Great story and I'm glad your 2 weeks quit. So it has been a breeze... Great. Believe me, it won't always be that way. The anxiety meds can only do so much. It come down to WILL. How bad do you want to be quit. I can tell you us quitters on KTC want it bad and you want us in your corner. Now, post roll and prove you are a quitter.
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Hey there RnR,
Maybe don't be so quick to get defensive. Folks here are trying to point out how your post came across. I believe you that it wasn't meant that way, but to those of us who have fought through the trenches the KTC way, it came across rather dismissive of the KTC way and full of bravado. That doesn't mean we don't want you here, nor that we don't care. It means we will call it as we see it.
It isn't like we never heard of Welbutrin. Many of us are well aware of how it works, what it does, so back off. Nobody gives a shit if someone uses it to ease the anxiety or depression that can hit pretty hard. Though, as a pre-quit, chantix style thing..... I guess if your doc says its oK and it doesn't contain nicotine, I will defer to your doctor.
The upshot of all this is... if you don't join in the KTC fun, post roll, and get involved, when a craving finally does come, and it will (trust me on this) you will be standing alone in a field with no tools.
That, my friend, is where each of us stood when we failed at quitting by ourselves. Go post roll, join us here and get the accountability happening and the quit juices flowing.
You can do this.
For me, you have to post roll before you start telling people to F off. Great story and I'm glad your 2 weeks quit. So it has been a breeze... Great. Believe me, it won't always be that way. The anxiety meds can only do so much. It come down to WILL. How bad do you want to be quit. I can tell you us quitters on KTC want it bad and you want us in your corner. Now, post roll and prove you are a quitter.
Didn't see a roll post. Also dude it doesn't look very favorable for pre HOF tellin folks FO. I totally disagree with your response to Pinched he is a bad ass here and let me tell you when your crave comes which it will you will want him on your side. In fact everyone that has posted in your thread is a hard core quitter you will want all of them in the face of a crave. So just relax post some roll read read read listen and learn. Read some HOF speeches read some Legends speeches. You ever need support anyone of us that have posted in your thread will be there for you...you need numbers ask and its yours.
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
Gotta dollar that says he is a rep for GlaxoSmithKline _
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
Gotta dollar that says he is a rep for GlaxoSmithKline _
Wha... I... I'm... So shocked!
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
Gotta dollar that says he is a rep for GlaxoSmithKline _
Wha... I... I'm... So shocked!
'cry' such a promising start
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
Gotta dollar that says he is a rep for GlaxoSmithKline _
Wha... I... I'm... So shocked!
'cry' such a promising start
:scowick:
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Another day with no sign of the pharmacological wonder boy. Guess his doctor prescribed some magical elixer negating the need to post roll as well. Twenty five years old and smarter, wiser and more experienced than the rest. Come back and let us show you how its done when the nuts finally drop buttercup.
'crackup'
Funny but so true.
Gotta dollar that says he is a rep for GlaxoSmithKline _
Wha... I... I'm... So shocked!
'cry' such a promising start
:scowick:
He doesn't know he's an addict....yet. This site can save his life....if the boy ever mans up and grows a pair.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Why don't you go to the welcome center and read about the site. We aren't here to spoon feed you or beg you to post roll. It is your decision to make. From the looks of your latest post you got this all figured out so maybe this place just isn't for you.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
Ever think that someone in February just might be a neighbor?? Holy shit we aren't some random internet wierdos. I have already met 6 people that post on this site and I have posting for 169 days. Crazy what happens when you stop yelling and look around.
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I think he's looking for a participation trophy.... oh here you go, I found one... 'clap'
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
'troll' You are now free to go back through your browser door. Do you think you are the first to come here and tell us how you feel, hell no you are not and you wont be the last. If you are doing so well doing it your way you don't need us or this site. We have had enough drama here without you coming here with your whopping two weeks of quit telling us we are rednecks. You are taking time away from quitters helping quitters stay quit. So get with the program or hit the bricks good luck with your quit.
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Here is how I see it:
1) I can offer my insight, whatever it is worth, to 20 people who are ready to quit the KTC way, or
2) I can play silly semantic games with you.
I choose option 1.
Good luck, I am out.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
'troll' You are now free to go back through your browser door. Do you think you are the first to come here and tell us how you feel, hell no you are not and you wont be the last. If you are doing so well doing it your way you don't need us or this site. We have had enough drama here without you coming here with your whopping two weeks of quit telling us we are rednecks. You are taking time away from quitters helping quitters stay quit. So get with the program or hit the bricks good luck with your quit.
Y'know... You're solidifying your own ignorance. Everyone of your arguments is presented in the fashion of every good naysayer... Out of context. Taken by themselves, each of your points makes sense. Out of context. If you have actually read our site... Sifted through our method and reasoning... And still feel the need to play your silly little game of intellectual one-up... Fail. You didn't get it. You pro'ly won't. Good luck...
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
'troll' You are now free to go back through your browser door. Do you think you are the first to come here and tell us how you feel, hell no you are not and you wont be the last. If you are doing so well doing it your way you don't need us or this site. We have had enough drama here without you coming here with your whopping two weeks of quit telling us we are rednecks. You are taking time away from quitters helping quitters stay quit. So get with the program or hit the bricks good luck with your quit.
Y'know... You're solidifying your own ignorance. Everyone of your arguments is presented in the fashion of every good naysayer... Out of context. Taken by themselves, each of your points makes sense. Out of context. If you have actually read our site... Sifted through our method and reasoning... And still feel the need to play your silly little game of intellectual one-up... Fail. You didn't get it. You pro'ly won't. Good luck...
I won't be as sophisticated as my brother AJ. As most can attest I don't use foul language but I feel the need to say, "if you don't like it here, get the fuck out". Good luck
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
'troll' You are now free to go back through your browser door. Do you think you are the first to come here and tell us how you feel, hell no you are not and you wont be the last. If you are doing so well doing it your way you don't need us or this site. We have had enough drama here without you coming here with your whopping two weeks of quit telling us we are rednecks. You are taking time away from quitters helping quitters stay quit. So get with the program or hit the bricks good luck with your quit.
Y'know... You're solidifying your own ignorance. Everyone of your arguments is presented in the fashion of every good naysayer... Out of context. Taken by themselves, each of your points makes sense. Out of context. If you have actually read our site... Sifted through our method and reasoning... And still feel the need to play your silly little game of intellectual one-up... Fail. You didn't get it. You pro'ly won't. Good luck...
RnR, a part of me just wants to ignore your clear attempt at garnering as much attention as possible, but your words have really struck a nerve, so I feel compelled to speak up. The reason people are so offended by your posts is that this site has literally saved our lives. You can poo-poo it any way you like. You can parse the mission statement and attempt to point out what you perceive to be contradictions like some gunner in his first year of law school. But we revere what this site has done and can do for nicotine addicts like each and every one of us... you included. I am six days away from reaching the Hall of Fame (in other words, I've gone 94 days without a trace of nicotine entering my system). I can honestly say that I could have never done it without this site, and the level of accountability that this site's members hold you to.
Here is how (and why) this site works. You can either play ball, or if you think it's not for you, go on your merry way. But stop sitting with your balls on the fence.
1. Figure out the day you quit, and the day you will be 100 days quit. What ever month day 100 falls in will be your quit group. If you are truly 2 weeks quit, I believe you'll hit 100 days in February 2014, so you'll be in the February 2014 pre-HOF group.
2. Go to that quit group's page and post roll. You do this by writing your name and the number days quit you are on that day. By posting roll, you are making a promise and a commitment to the rest of your quit group that you won't use nicotine that day. Today I posted "quittinglawyer - day 94" in my November 2013 quit group. That's my promise not to use nicotine today.
3. We quit "one day at a time" or "ODAAT." This means that you don't worry about quitting forever. You just worry about quitting today. By posting roll in the morning, you are just promising to stay quit for one day. Seems easy, right? For me, the hardest part was wrapping my head around the concept of never having a dip again. It took a while for me to understand that I don't have to worry about "never" having a dip again. I just have to worry about not having a dip TODAY. Pretty soon, a whole bunch of "todays" add up, and before you know it, you have been quit for months or even years.
4. Make connections with fellow quitters through your quit group, personal messages, or chat. These are the guys that will hold you accountable if you fail to post roll. These are the guys that will be there when you're drunk and staring at a can of chew you just bought and thinking about putting that poison back into your mouth after being "quit" for more than a month. Exchange phone numbers with these guys so when you're in that position, you have someone to reach out to.
That's really it. It may sound silly that something so simple (post roll every day, promise not to use nicotine, repeat) could actually work, but believe me, and the thousands of others who have used this site, it works. Just the thought of having to explain to my quit group why I threw everything away has kept me from caving a number of time. In the first couple weeks of my quit, it was probably the only thing that kept me from caving.
If the welcome center doesn't clearly spell this out, well, sorry about that. If this doesn't sound like something you need, then maybe you don't. If that's the case, please just go. Don't post another incendiary rant just to push buttons. Just go, because this site means too much to too many people.
But.... (and I hope this is the case), you decide this site may have something to offer, then change your mindset and attitude, go post roll, and continue on the journey of changing your life.
Sincerely,
One mildly retarded redneck flexing his muscles in front of his 8th grade diploma (and law degree)
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This is what success looks like: index.php?showtopic=9056 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
This is the essence of this site, bottled into a 1-day roll call. It makes me happy to read each and every post. Each quitter has a unique story; a story worth learning from. Notice the abundance of joy and gratitude expressed in this one roll call. This post makes me proud to be here. I bet it makes others just as proud. If you want to know what this tastes like, post roll each day and be a part of your final quit and something bigger than yourself. This is an action you will not regret.
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Alright so I have to "post roll call" everyday for the month of February? What is exactly significant of this roll call anyways? Making a promise to myself, and a bunch of guys who've I've never met over the internet? I've already obviously made the promise to myself, and more importantly, to others that actually exist and have an impact on my life, so I don't get it; but whatever, I'll play ball.
I came here for more of a support group. I didn't realize the fraternity type protocol that came along with it. So to be clear, is this a "quit cold turkey or get the fuck out" kind of thing? I could give a shit less what people say about being prescribed a quitting aid, it's been working for me, and that's all I care about; and have no intentions to stop my intake. If that's going to cause a lack of support, fine, I don't really care-an online forum isn't a necessity to quit. I just thought it'd be cool to share my story, as well as hear from others about their experiences, and the different methods people use to quit, what helps, what doesn't, etc.
I don't care about the "hall of fame party" or "milestone chips" as I see them more as meaningless incentives. If it helps motivate others-great. I'm not going to sit here and pretend it means anything to me. Like I said I'm simply here to see others experiences, stories, etc.
Also keep the sarcastic goodwill hunting-esque 'young man has it all figured out' cliches coming, they're entertaining. Seriously, we're talking about quitting chewing tobacco-not the meaning of life.
This is a brotherhood RnR, a brotherhood through which many of us finally found salvation from being a slave to can of poison that was slowly killing all of us. Your initial bravado shows that you obviously came in expecting all of us to bask in the wonder of your two whole weeks quit. You apparently didn't invest any time reading on the site or you would understand why we post roll and what it means to all of us here.
So if your not interested in what we are selling here, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in. 'Finger'
Jesus Christ. Did you read my post? It is very evidently implied that I have taken the time to read over what this site is about. However, I had additional questions regarding practicality, and the prerequisites involved. Rather than read, you pretentiously ramble "if you don't like it, then just take yourself right back out the door you came in". Which isn't an actual existing door, but, a internet browser you are asking me to close. I have to ask, are you from the south?
I'm open to hearing a educated response from you, but I don't know what to call that. Flexing your muscles in front of your 8th grade diploma?
The basic principles of the site are not up for debate or question RnR. You can jump on board or go away, those are the only options here. Scowick already called it however, your just another special butterfly that needs some internet attention. I will move along to someone who is interested in quitting our way.
Perhaps if you think you can reinvent or question our way, maybe you should check out the 7th birthday roll thread here:
Site Roll Call November 20, 2013 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9056)
I don't think we need your questions or input to improve our quits.
I literally am running out of ideas on ways for you guys to simply answer my questions, and practicality. You tell me me to read the information from the welcome center, I do, and your responses have been in contradiction to everything it reads.
1. From the Mission Statement:
Quote 1:
"We are here to provide a forum where your questions will get answered, where your fears will be dispelled, and your anxiety will be dissipated. We will offer any help that we can. We will help YOU quit the way you need to quit."
Contradiction to quote 1:
-Reading from people's responses, I call bullshit. The way I need to quit, has been nothing but criticized. Not to mention, not one of my questions have been answered-except to refer to the welcome center where the information provided there, contradicts all of your remarks. So you should support me in the way I need to quit, not the way you want me to quit, as mentioned in the mission statement.
Quote 2:
"We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another, but we will tell you our experience and what has worked for us."
Contradiction from Quote 2:
-Calling bullshit again. I made an introduction and shared my experience of quitting thus far. I have in fact already been told that one way is better than another (cold turkey in specific). In response to my story all it's been is criticism along with incredibly lame puberty jokes; although I understand the "tough love" theory also mentioned in the mission statement-fair enough. I'm seriously more concerned for your likelihood being diagnosed a 'mildly-retarded redneck' than I am for your chances of an oral cancer diagnosis. SORRY TOUGH LOVE. Wait, no...that's slander, not tough love. See the difference?
Quote 3:
"We recognize that people need to be on this journey their own way. We also realize that TOGETHER we will all be more successful".
Contradiction from Quote 3:
-So what if "my way" doesn't consist of posting roll call, or following protocol step by step, but I am still willing to work TOGETHER to help myself and others through their quit? Again, refer to quote 2, which suggests there are many ways to be successful quitting chew.
2. Quit Groups
Quote 1:
"Welcome to Kill the Can (KTC)! We hope that you find this site to be just the solution you were looking for in your journey to find the everlasting quit! One of the most important things you will encounter with this site are the quit groups. Once you have registered you must find your quit group. A quit group is the group of members with whom you will hit your 100 day Hall of Fame mark. So you must figure out in which month your 100th day will fall, and this will be your appropriate month.
Quote 1 Contradiction:
-So wait I MUST find my quit group? I MUST figure out my 100 day quit? This contradicts quote 3 from the Mission Statement, as well as quote 2.
So this is where your directing me for resources? To a poorly written mission statement that is contradicted by it's following processes?
...Yet my questions, and practical uses of this forum still go unanswered. Let's pretend you don't have 47 chromosomes (SORRY TOUGH LOVE) as I re-simplify these questions for you.
1. Cold Turkey is the only way allowed to quit through this forum? According to a few forum members it is (who I suggest re-read the mission statement).
2. I can or cannot actively use and participate in these forums without following the protocol demanded by other forum users? Even though the mission statement says "We realize that there are a variety of ways to be successful quitting chew. We will NOT tell you that one way is better than another"?
'troll' You are now free to go back through your browser door. Do you think you are the first to come here and tell us how you feel, hell no you are not and you wont be the last. If you are doing so well doing it your way you don't need us or this site. We have had enough drama here without you coming here with your whopping two weeks of quit telling us we are rednecks. You are taking time away from quitters helping quitters stay quit. So get with the program or hit the bricks good luck with your quit.
Y'know... You're solidifying your own ignorance. Everyone of your arguments is presented in the fashion of every good naysayer... Out of context. Taken by themselves, each of your points makes sense. Out of context. If you have actually read our site... Sifted through our method and reasoning... And still feel the need to play your silly little game of intellectual one-up... Fail. You didn't get it. You pro'ly won't. Good luck...
I won't be as sophisticated as my brother AJ. As most can attest I don't use foul language but I feel the need to say, "if you don't like it here, get the fuck out". Good luck
As best as I can tell you attracted two types of responses, those offering help and those calling you on trolling. I have seen you piss on one half and shit on the other. I think I will wait till you get out of the bathroom before offering my words of wisdom, because to be honest, I kind of like the way I smell.
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RnR, welcome.
Two weeks is impressive, but don't get too confident. Back in 07, I quit for two weeks for a life insurance piss test. I was confident that I was done dipping for good.
Not two hours after I took the piss test I bought a new can.
Does this mean you'll fall into the same week 2 trap? Of course not. But you're still vulnerable. We all are.
I didn't care much for the "in your face" mentality of this site at first. I posted an intro, basically declaring "I'm planning to quit next week, so I'll see you in a few days!" As you can imagine, this did not go over well here. I was goaded into posting a day 1. (Had a not posted a day 1 that day, I likely would have never returned here).
Onward... I thought the whole brotherhood concept was lame at first, given that it's just a bunch of dudes (and a few ladies) posting roll on a computer. But, I posted my day 2, then 3, and so on... and came to realize that the folks in my quit group were going through the exact same shit that I was. I was a ninja dipper (and a ninja quitter as well), so my family, friends and co-workers did not know the extent of what I was going through... but my quit group and supporters did.
This site is a support system and resource that is second to none in my view. Posting roll and seeing the same names day in and day out, watching the quit days accumulate helped immensely.
This site works. Stick around, even if it's only to give the folks here a big middle finger once you hit day 100. Just stay quit.
"Come for the abuse, stay for the lifetime of quit"
If you need anything, hit me up via PM.
Cal - 1342 days quit. Formerly a 19 year dipper, 1.5 cans/day.
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Over 90% of all long term successful quits are cold turkey
According to the American cancer society . Cold turkey is strongly promoted here because it is flat out the most effective method.
You may use a prescribed NRT as directed . However, the logic behind using nicotine to quit using nicotine is flawed. It doesn't work. Changing your delivery method doesn't help you quit!! Your still using the addictive substance. Just as an alcoholic isn't going to quit drinking by switching to lite beer, you are going to struggle longer and harder using NRTs.
NOT ONLY that , but there is not a single study i am aware of that shows nicotine replacement therapy to work for quitting chewing tobacco . Those who quit using NRT are successful in spite of it not because of it.
You SHOULD give a shit what your told about your NRT prescription by these guys . Most Long term Vets on this site have more knowledge than your family doctor when it comes to quitting. I've watched 10,000 quitters roll through here . The names change but the game is always the same.
Quitting dipping IS literally life and death for alot of us, and this program has worked for thousands of us when nothing else has . If your way is superior, why haven't you quit successfully already?
You found a difference between the cultural rules of the site and the perhaps outdated stated rules of the site. Don't get to wrapped up in it . Post roll call, stop putting nic in your body and drink the fucking koolaid. I promise you , this IS the place to help you quit, but if your not truly here for that, you'll be driven out .
If you wish to have more specific questions answered feel free to pm me .
SM
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Just to help out a bit:
1) Wellbutrin does not contain nicotine as far as I know, and as such is perfectly acceptable here. Different folks have had different experiences with it. They are all over this site. When we say "cold turkey" we mean no nicotine.
2) Posting roll is the foundation of this site. Without it, there is no accountability and no brotherhood. We group new quitters by HOF month, so you are all at roughly the same point in your quit and can share information/experiences. Who knows, you might actually like some of them and decide to get a beer.
3) You can quit your way. No one is saying you cant. Lots of folks use lots of different methods to quit, including (gasp) not on this forum. We tend to think (and the data we have gathered) that our way is better. If you choose to participate here, beyond posting in your intro, you do need to post roll.
4) As for the HOF and milestones, you dont have to buy into or buy them - thats your call. In fact, there are some quitters that would argue too much emphasis is put on the short term goal of the HOF anyway. However, your group and many others on this site do appreciate how precious few attempts at quitting even come close to 100 days and choose to celebrate it. I would ask that you respect that tradition if you choose to stay here.
Feel free to share you story, and be ecstatic about your quit. It is an awesome feeling for sure. While you are at it, stick around and see what we really are all about - not just reading, which is important and recommended, but actively participating in your February HOF group. You may find that there is more support here and your story may help others a whole bunch.
If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me and I will gladly answer what I can.
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Just to help out a bit:
1) Wellbutrin does not contain nicotine as far as I know, and as such is perfectly acceptable here. Different folks have had different experiences with it. They are all over this site. When we say "cold turkey" we mean no nicotine.
2) Posting roll is the foundation of this site. Without it, there is no accountability and no brotherhood. We group new quitters by HOF month, so you are all at roughly the same point in your quit and can share information/experiences. Who knows, you might actually like some of them and decide to get a beer.
3) You can quit your way. No one is saying you cant. Lots of folks use lots of different methods to quit, including (gasp) not on this forum. We tend to think (and the data we have gathered) that our way is better. If you choose to participate here, beyond posting in your intro, you do need to post roll.
4) As for the HOF and milestones, you dont have to buy into or buy them - thats your call. In fact, there are some quitters that would argue too much emphasis is put on the short term goal of the HOF anyway. However, your group and many others on this site do appreciate how precious few attempts at quitting even come close to 100 days and choose to celebrate it. I would ask that you respect that tradition if you choose to stay here.
Feel free to share you story, and be ecstatic about your quit. It is an awesome feeling for sure. While you are at it, stick around and see what we really are all about - not just reading, which is important and recommended, but actively participating in your February HOF group. You may find that there is more support here and your story may help others a whole bunch.
If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me and I will gladly answer what I can.
Great info here. Thanks for the posting mod and admin. Glad to be posting roll with the freedom fighters of '14. Lots of good support here. Couldn't do it without you guys. Getting to be my real "brothers". We can do this! One day at a time. Keep the quit going!
hope
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Hey rock and roll, welcome to Feb 14. We are here to help you as much as you are here to help us. Because of my work I cannot accept your path of anti-depressants. Man, I wish I could but the FAA frowns on stuff like that. However, if you can take it and it helps you quit, and it contains no Nic. Well Welcome to the freaking club. Post roll, please? get on board and lets help a lot of other people quit this crap.
mogul
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Hey rock and roll keep up the good work and together we can beat this nic bitch to death