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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: cdforecheck on July 19, 2009, 10:19:00 PM
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Never thought I could stop, let alone go three days. Looked online and found this place and hope it can help me succeed. Looking forward to when the constant thought of dip leaves my mind. (if it ever does)I was starting to dip 2 cans a day of the griz and just decided enough was enough. I started dipping in Grade 8 and am now 40, so 26-27 years of non-stop dipping? I ran out on Thursday night and just said to hell with it I am done with this crap. Here's hoping I am.
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Welcome. you have come to the right place. You can do this One day at a time!!! Get active and stay active on this site. It will save your life. I did that shit for over 30 years and have been quit for close to a year.
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Welcome brother,
I am happy to tell you that your obsession with chew will not last forever. I've been quit for six months and I can go days without even thinking about it. I also still get craves from time to time however. As time goes by things get more and more manageable.
Don't be wishy washy with this quit constantly hoping you can make it. Connect with a quit group here and give them your word daily that you won't use nicotine and then make good on your promise. Don't allow caving to ever be an option and you won't have to suffer anymore slavery to the can.
Tell everyone that means anything to you in your life that you are quitting. A secret quit is doomed from the beginning. An addict is never accountable to himself. If you do these things and are faithful to not put a dip in your mouth one day at a time, you will be able to successfully kick the habit like so many in our community.
You can do it.
Ray
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When I started this quit thing nearly 4 weeks ago I was hoping to quit. I actually said that in my introduction. I was so naïve and quite frankly I was scared. I was scared of failure and withdraw. The fear was real but this site helped me overcome it, those of you who helped know who you are and I thank you. I now know I am an addict and just one more dip and my ninja dipping ways will return. My relationship with my wife and children is more open and honest than ever in our marriage. This ugly bear is gone, no longer do I have to say let’s take your car because mine is dirty; meaning I got a spitter in there. Coming face to face with the fact that I am an addict was easier than I thought, and while withdraw was hell, I survived. Now it is the mind that works on me. I will not allow my mind to convince, trick, or sucker me back into this shit. I don’t have to be quit forever, just for today, so the battle isn’t forever. I love the fact that now I can drive by my “dealer’s” place and think about pulling in (yeah, I still think about making that right turn) and resist the bitch. I looked at this quit thing as a hope or a dream, now it’s the only choice I have as an addict. To control my life I must make the conscious decision each and every day to not use, some days and times are more difficult than others but I have earned that difficulty by being an addict. The struggle is what makes me powerful; failure will make me weak and a slave to nicotine again. Thanks to kill the can and all of you who have helped me reach this point and looking forward to resisting the nic bitch and all of her wiles with you all.
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When I started this quit thing nearly 4 weeks ago I was hoping to quit. I actually said that in my introduction. I was so naïve and quite frankly I was scared. I was scared of failure and withdraw. The fear was real but this site helped me overcome it, those of you who helped know who you are and I thank you. I now know I am an addict and just one more dip and my ninja dipping ways will return. My relationship with my wife and children is more open and honest than ever in our marriage. This ugly bear is gone, no longer do I have to say let’s take your car because mine is dirty; meaning I got a spitter in there. Coming face to face with the fact that I am an addict was easier than I thought, and while withdraw was hell, I survived. Now it is the mind that works on me. I will not allow my mind to convince, trick, or sucker me back into this shit. I don’t have to be quit forever, just for today, so the battle isn’t forever. I love the fact that now I can drive by my “dealer’s” place and think about pulling in (yeah, I still think about making that right turn) and resist the bitch. I looked at this quit thing as a hope or a dream, now it’s the only choice I have as an addict. To control my life I must make the conscious decision each and every day to not use, some days and times are more difficult than others but I have earned that difficulty by being an addict. The struggle is what makes me powerful; failure will make me weak and a slave to nicotine again. Thanks to kill the can and all of you who have helped me reach this point and looking forward to resisting the nic bitch and all of her wiles with you all.
Thanks for bringing it back into perspective 4 weeks out. I've been there before, and look forward to getting to celebrate 4 weeks out again and always keeping fresh on the mind how I got back to day 5.
Congrats cdforecheck and keep on adding to those 4 weeks!!
Jack
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For all you new quitters, use this group. I got bumped today and 2 people called to check on me. I didn't know I was bumped but I knew it before lunch. Get active on this site, don't be afraid to post anywhere and everywhere, I am yet to be flamed or insulted here. Meet some people and share your info. I look at today as a fire drill, practice if the failure to post was a cave incident. The guys here had my back. If I just posted roll everyday, I'm sure that would have happened but the more you invest in your quit the more your brothers will invest in you. Until it happens to you, you may not see it. I know my brothers and sister in Oct. 09 will kick my ass if I cave, and they should know the same will happen to them if they fail. The quit is easy, except when it's not and after 40 days I'm seeing it as easier for longer periods than not. I've went from constantly thinking about dip to now maybe 2x a day. I've got my own guard up and now I know my brothers and sister are here for me.
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sure is nice to see the site still works
if you are new...do LOOT a favor and read the post again. let it sink in, absorb it. dude broke it down very well. the question is...will YOU heed the advice? Your life may be riding on how you answer.
no pressure
LOOT - 1546...or so
For all you new quitters, use this group. I got bumped today and 2 people called to check on me. I didn't know I was bumped but I knew it before lunch. Get active on this site, don't be afraid to post anywhere and everywhere, I am yet to be flamed or insulted here. Meet some people and share your info. I look at today as a fire drill, practice if the failure to post was a cave incident. The guys here had my back. If I just posted roll everyday, I'm sure that would have happened but the more you invest in your quit the more your brothers will invest in you. Until it happens to you, you may not see it. I know my brothers and sister in Oct. 09 will kick my ass if I cave, and they should know the same will happen to them if they fail. The quit is easy, except when it's not and after 40 days I'm seeing it as easier for longer periods than not. I've went from constantly thinking about dip to now maybe 2x a day. I've got my own guard up and now I know my brothers and sister are here for me.
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My quit and brotherhood
I understand that most vets out there support newbies fully and give graciously their advice and counsel. But those are not the one’s I am writing about now. I am writing about the small number who take glee in watching the new quitter struggle and egg them on and eventually get one or two that finally can’t take the crap being dealt and swing back unleashing a torrent of rage. I sure as hell hope the asses doing this are experts in addiction therapy, because while being extensively non-productive it is also dangerous. The mind of an addict, and here I preach to crowd, is filled with negative messages on a wide range of issues from self-esteem, self-hatred, fears of failure, and rejection. Most addicts become addicts not because they slide slowly into it, they are often filling a void where they perceive that they have no control over their lives, and addiction is a concrete way to have a perception control. We pledge every day in roll to not use that day, we are substituting our addiction with a new form of control and as we replace that we develop that control, the urge to use dangerous substances is lowered, but unfortunately it can never disappear. So we play games here and there, post silly shit, comfort others when they are down, get our anger out, share our successes in non-dipping forums and generally good natured ribbing. When we are in a rough spot, the true “brothers” spring into action; calling, pm’s, e-mails, and posting words of encouragement until the brother’s rough spot is past. This is most of the men and women here. There is another group here however that sees the site as a playground to push around early quitters and seeks to find the weakness and create situations where the new quitter just loses it. The very fact someone is here at shows there is weakness somewhere, no members, except perhaps for a special few, here have said “, I worked my quit all by myself, so now I’m going to invest myself and time in a support system.” It does not matter if a person is on Day 1 or Day 7,000 they are all quitters and none should be hazed or pushed into rage. I am making the decision to phone in roll for next week or so because I am actually afraid for my quit if I continue to see venom and deliberate attempts to ignite rage rather than dampen it. I am and will always remain quit, but when a support system leaves you, you need to step back and reevaluate things.
Curt (cdforecheck)
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My quit and brotherhood
I understand that most vets out there support newbies fully and give graciously their advice and counsel. But those are not the one’s I am writing about now. I am writing about the small number who take glee in watching the new quitter struggle and egg them on and eventually get one or two that finally can’t take the crap being dealt and swing back unleashing a torrent of rage. I sure as hell hope the asses doing this are experts in addiction therapy, because while being extensively non-productive it is also dangerous. The mind of an addict, and here I preach to crowd, is filled with negative messages on a wide range of issues from self-esteem, self-hatred, fears of failure, and rejection. Most addicts become addicts not because they slide slowly into it, they are often filling a void where they perceive that they have no control over their lives, and addiction is a concrete way to have a perception control. We pledge every day in roll to not use that day, we are substituting our addiction with a new form of control and as we replace that we develop that control, the urge to use dangerous substances is lowered, but unfortunately it can never disappear. So we play games here and there, post silly shit, comfort others when they are down, get our anger out, share our successes in non-dipping forums and generally good natured ribbing. When we are in a rough spot, the true “brothers” spring into action; calling, pm’s, e-mails, and posting words of encouragement until the brother’s rough spot is past. This is most of the men and women here. There is another group here however that sees the site as a playground to push around early quitters and seeks to find the weakness and create situations where the new quitter just loses it. The very fact someone is here at shows there is weakness somewhere, no members, except perhaps for a special few, here have said “, I worked my quit all by myself, so now I’m going to invest myself and time in a support system.” It does not matter if a person is on Day 1 or Day 7,000 they are all quitters and none should be hazed or pushed into rage. I am making the decision to phone in roll for next week or so because I am actually afraid for my quit if I continue to see venom and deliberate attempts to ignite rage rather than dampen it. I am and will always remain quit, but when a support system leaves you, you need to step back and reevaluate things.
Curt (cdforecheck)
You are a solid quitter Curt. Do what you have to do......but please reconsider.
PM me if you need anything.
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My quit and brotherhood
I understand that most vets out there support newbies fully and give graciously their advice and counsel. But those are not the one’s I am writing about now. I am writing about the small number who take glee in watching the new quitter struggle and egg them on and eventually get one or two that finally can’t take the crap being dealt and swing back unleashing a torrent of rage. I sure as hell hope the asses doing this are experts in addiction therapy, because while being extensively non-productive it is also dangerous. The mind of an addict, and here I preach to crowd, is filled with negative messages on a wide range of issues from self-esteem, self-hatred, fears of failure, and rejection. Most addicts become addicts not because they slide slowly into it, they are often filling a void where they perceive that they have no control over their lives, and addiction is a concrete way to have a perception control. We pledge every day in roll to not use that day, we are substituting our addiction with a new form of control and as we replace that we develop that control, the urge to use dangerous substances is lowered, but unfortunately it can never disappear. So we play games here and there, post silly shit, comfort others when they are down, get our anger out, share our successes in non-dipping forums and generally good natured ribbing. When we are in a rough spot, the true “brothers” spring into action; calling, pm’s, e-mails, and posting words of encouragement until the brother’s rough spot is past. This is most of the men and women here. There is another group here however that sees the site as a playground to push around early quitters and seeks to find the weakness and create situations where the new quitter just loses it. The very fact someone is here at shows there is weakness somewhere, no members, except perhaps for a special few, here have said “, I worked my quit all by myself, so now I’m going to invest myself and time in a support system.” It does not matter if a person is on Day 1 or Day 7,000 they are all quitters and none should be hazed or pushed into rage. I am making the decision to phone in roll for next week or so because I am actually afraid for my quit if I continue to see venom and deliberate attempts to ignite rage rather than dampen it. I am and will always remain quit, but when a support system leaves you, you need to step back and reevaluate things.
Curt (cdforecheck)
You are a solid quitter Curt. Do what you have to do......but please reconsider.
PM me if you need anything.
I concur. You are solid, Curt. Don't let the ramblings of one self-proclaimed hero distract you from the purpose you came aboard. I will respect your choice either way, and invite you to pm / text / call if you need anything. For me, I'm willing to sift through some bullshit here to pull out the nuggets. I know that I don't 'need' this site, I shouldn't 'have to' look further than the eyes of my 5 year old son to get all the encouragement, discipline, desire, and conviction to remain quit. But if I'm struggling, it's nice to know I'm not alone, that someone has been there before me. And while my wife is a wonderful woman and puts up w/ my pissy attitude, she has no 'addictions' of her own and therefore, can't fully understand what it feels like to be a grown man and feel so weak over such a small thing as chew. And like others, I have read your posts of encouragement to new quitters, and believe that you are here as much to here to pay support forward as to receive. For that, I commend you.
If this were high-school, I'd simply advise you to meet this almighty smokeyq by the bike racks and kick his pompous ass, but since this is real life, I'll just encourage you to let it slide, and stay true to yourself and your October quit brothers. Here if you need me!
Vertex
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My quit and brotherhood
I understand that most vets out there support newbies fully and give graciously their advice and counsel. But those are not the one’s I am writing about now. I am writing about the small number who take glee in watching the new quitter struggle and egg them on and eventually get one or two that finally can’t take the crap being dealt and swing back unleashing a torrent of rage. I sure as hell hope the asses doing this are experts in addiction therapy, because while being extensively non-productive it is also dangerous. The mind of an addict, and here I preach to crowd, is filled with negative messages on a wide range of issues from self-esteem, self-hatred, fears of failure, and rejection. Most addicts become addicts not because they slide slowly into it, they are often filling a void where they perceive that they have no control over their lives, and addiction is a concrete way to have a perception control. We pledge every day in roll to not use that day, we are substituting our addiction with a new form of control and as we replace that we develop that control, the urge to use dangerous substances is lowered, but unfortunately it can never disappear. So we play games here and there, post silly shit, comfort others when they are down, get our anger out, share our successes in non-dipping forums and generally good natured ribbing. When we are in a rough spot, the true “brothers” spring into action; calling, pm’s, e-mails, and posting words of encouragement until the brother’s rough spot is past. This is most of the men and women here. There is another group here however that sees the site as a playground to push around early quitters and seeks to find the weakness and create situations where the new quitter just loses it. The very fact someone is here at shows there is weakness somewhere, no members, except perhaps for a special few, here have said “, I worked my quit all by myself, so now I’m going to invest myself and time in a support system.” It does not matter if a person is on Day 1 or Day 7,000 they are all quitters and none should be hazed or pushed into rage. I am making the decision to phone in roll for next week or so because I am actually afraid for my quit if I continue to see venom and deliberate attempts to ignite rage rather than dampen it. I am and will always remain quit, but when a support system leaves you, you need to step back and reevaluate things.
Curt (cdforecheck)
are you shitting loot?
you've never quit on your own and you're willing to throw away the ONLY support system that's helped?
your first post made loot have a lot of confidence in your quit...this one reminds loot how tenuous this quitting thing is.
there will be assholes on here...always have been...always will be
fuck'em
you let it get under your skin and you lose bro
take what you need and leave the rest
don't be a doosh
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Just in case anyone missed this....posted aug 30
i never wanted to reach back into a very difficult time in my life and face some really serious shit, i have already done that once and i don't want to look at it again. smokeyg and i were actually just trading jabs and afterwards i had a very serious case of the oh shits stemming from something totally unrelated to the goals of my quit and i turned the oh shit moment towards the people here and have been trying since friday to sort the shit out. thanks to all who contacted me it has been very valuable, the kind words, the kicks in the butt, but not knowing the whole past you are all seeing only a tiny portion of what's going on in my head and i don't share it easily, suffice it say that it deals largely with the surgery i had about 3 weeks ago. as one pm i received stated, sg is merely the tobacco display calling to you to see what you are going to do, while i may not agree with that approach, i played along with him and i understood his "madness" from the beginning. i have spent the weekend discussing this with my best friend, my wife, she always has great advice and tends to get me when the shit hits the fan and allows me to refocus and ground myself. she has said to keep posting so i will, she also told me to keep away from verbal and semantic pissing matches (except in word posts) and i think that may be the sagest advice of all. many of you told me the exact same thing, but it's hard to know what to do when you only see an avi and screen name. the oddest part of these last few days is that my quit was never in question and i didn't have any craves over the weekend...so to anyone thinking that i was subconscienously sabotaging my quit, your wrong. sorry if i have created stress in here with my shit storm.
Curt(cdforecheck)
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Just in case anyone missed this....posted aug 30
i never wanted to reach back into a very difficult time in my life and face some really serious shit, i have already done that once and i don't want to look at it again. smokeyg and i were actually just trading jabs and afterwards i had a very serious case of the oh shits stemming from something totally unrelated to the goals of my quit and i turned the oh shit moment towards the people here and have been trying since friday to sort the shit out. thanks to all who contacted me it has been very valuable, the kind words, the kicks in the butt, but not knowing the whole past you are all seeing only a tiny portion of what's going on in my head and i don't share it easily, suffice it say that it deals largely with the surgery i had about 3 weeks ago. as one pm i received stated, sg is merely the tobacco display calling to you to see what you are going to do, while i may not agree with that approach, i played along with him and i understood his "madness" from the beginning. i have spent the weekend discussing this with my best friend, my wife, she always has great advice and tends to get me when the shit hits the fan and allows me to refocus and ground myself. she has said to keep posting so i will, she also told me to keep away from verbal and semantic pissing matches (except in word posts) and i think that may be the sagest advice of all. many of you told me the exact same thing, but it's hard to know what to do when you only see an avi and screen name. the oddest part of these last few days is that my quit was never in question and i didn't have any craves over the weekend...so to anyone thinking that i was subconscienously sabotaging my quit, your wrong. sorry if i have created stress in here with my shit storm.
Curt(cdforecheck)
thanks for the follow-up
loot don't have time to follow much here anymore
but listen cdforeskin...never...ever...and LOOT means NEVER apologize for taking out your frustrations on this board. you used your resources properly...
this place was created as on outlet of sorts for all kinds of fucked up twisted nicotine addicts. you continue to take out your frustrations on SmokeyLOOTSCock. he is a good quitter. he's got your back.
LOOT talked to ol' Mule yesterday. and the 1st 60 seconds, as alwayss was about the quit. we get that shit out of the way and on the table. yesterday the quit theme was "The shit just wouldn't make anything any better."
be clean friend.
never again. for any reason.
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Oh hell, IÂ’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if IÂ’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause IÂ’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. IÂ’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know itÂ’ll be here now.
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Oh hell, IÂ’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if IÂ’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause IÂ’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. IÂ’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know itÂ’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
Hang in there Curt, you got this by the balls.
Stay quit, let me know if I can help.
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
Hang in there Curt, you got this by the balls.
Stay quit, let me know if I can help.
put up with it dude. it will last a week or so. after that you'll cruise past 100. you will not be finished by any stretch. LOOT's funks went sorta like this. 70, 125, 250, 400, 750...and nothing since....a couple years ago was the last time it really fuct with LOOT.
notice each time the funck gets spread further and further apart. and the intensity weakens each time to.
when she fucks with you...beat her down and put the boots to that ass.
be strong man. from the PM you sent...you've no doubt dealt with worse.
PM if you need anything.
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
Hang in there Curt, you got this by the balls.
Stay quit, let me know if I can help.
put up with it dude. it will last a week or so. after that you'll cruise past 100. you will not be finished by any stretch. LOOT's funks went sorta like this. 70, 125, 250, 400, 750...and nothing since....a couple years ago was the last time it really fuct with LOOT.
notice each time the funck gets spread further and further apart. and the intensity weakens each time to.
when she fucks with you...beat her down and put the boots to that ass.
be strong man. from the PM you sent...you've no doubt dealt with worse.
PM if you need anything.
thanks guys sometimes it feels like i'm rambling but it helps me focus on the goal..a life without nic!
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
Hang in there Curt, you got this by the balls.
Stay quit, let me know if I can help.
put up with it dude. it will last a week or so. after that you'll cruise past 100. you will not be finished by any stretch. LOOT's funks went sorta like this. 70, 125, 250, 400, 750...and nothing since....a couple years ago was the last time it really fuct with LOOT.
notice each time the funck gets spread further and further apart. and the intensity weakens each time to.
when she fucks with you...beat her down and put the boots to that ass.
be strong man. from the PM you sent...you've no doubt dealt with worse.
PM if you need anything.
thanks guys sometimes it feels like i'm rambling but it helps me focus on the goal..a life without nic!
Nothin' worth having comes easy- fight the good fight!!
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Oh hell, I’m now into the third month of my quit, day 61 in about 30 minutes. I try to think of the positive changes that I have gone through and they are too numerous to count. Yet, to be perfectly honest I am having a rough time right now. Some call it the funk, hell it feels almost like withdraw all over again; anxiety, chills, and the crawling sensations. The nic bitch is whispering to me and I am fighting the fight, I will not allow her back into my life. My guard is up and my condition right now is red, my resolve is strong yet at times I am feeling weak. The damn nic bitch is not holding any punches. I wonder if I’m sometimes strong enough to do this, but I DO know I am smarter than she can ever be, and avoiding her lure is really crucial for me right now. I have made some changes; I don't go into quickie marts or any other place where I know I can make an impulse buy, I always pay at the pump so I don't even go in, if I have to go in I take one of my kids with me, thank goodness the grocery stores have the shit in a cage and someone has to physically go get it buying more time for the brain to kick in. I hate the bitch telling me just one and that little quiet voice inside says yep, thank God I am strong mentally cause I’m not feeling it physically right now, I must keep the quit though for me and my family, we deserve it. I’ve earned this struggle by letting the nic punk me for 26 years, she will not win. I will not permit it, I am feeling a bit weak right now which simply means I have keep the guard up. This shit right now is definitely not for fucking around with, and I will maintain close ties to this site. KTC has helped me through the worst, and I know it’ll be here now.
Midterm Funk is not unusual. I had a bad case of the "I don't give a shits" about 60 to 70 days. Power through it brother and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it. Thanks for sharing your feelings
Kdip
Cdforecheck,
The funk sucks, but caving sucks worse. You ARE strong enough to do this, I know because you already did it 61 days in a row. If you did it 61 times you sure as hell can do it 62 right? I hit the funk early like you and it hurt. I'm no doctor, but I find it interesting that most of us hit it around the same time period in our quit. My personal theory is that it is some internal chemical balancing act that kicks in as our brains begin to heal and rewire themselves. Perhaps its all the shitty little nicotine receptors dying off . More likely its a phase where the "pleasure center" of the brain has to start working without nicotine to produce dopamine. It is too common of an occurence to be psychological and it is well documented here. If not mental then by definition it is a physical thing. Therfore your body can heal it.I dunno, just my theory.
I DO KNOW that it goes away, exercise helped me tremendously during the funk, and I forced myself to get really busy with various projects. This seemed to snap me out of it. The thing to remember is you are quit regardless of the consequences. This includes craves as well as funk. You must endure that shit to have your freedom. Is it worth it? absolutely, it is like getting a head cold. You don't lop off your head when you get one, you know that your going to feel shitty for awhile so you pop some asprin, nyquil, tea or scotch and get on with your life. Sooner or later the cold goes away. Funk is the same way.
Good quit
SM
Curt,
Some good tips in here from SM. Sorry you're having this funk brother, didn't realize that at the time you PM'd me. But it does make sense, the ol' "this too shall pass". The head cold analogy is spot on, I'm going to use it too!
You've been a great support to me, and you can feel free to lean on me as hard as you need to. I'm in a pretty strong place, though I can't sleep for more than a couple of hours these days :blink:
Hang in there man. I insist!
Tim
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I had a very tough day today on many levels, triggers from every angle and serious doubt in my own quit. I posted my concerns and texted my support network. It worked as I imagined and the crave subsided. Thanks to russjns, flash, vertex, and redyota for the positive text messages and all those who posted helping me through this today.
I saved reading something on this site for exactly this type of moment. Based on what many people have written, Tom and Jenny's Story helped them to make the final decision to begin a quit, I had already decided to quit before I joined so as I read the additional resources and introduction posts I purposely avoided that one link. I didn't expect what I just read to affect me like this. I write this with tears in my eyes for Tom and Jenny's family, the struggle and hardships that family has faced is NOTHING compared to my crappy day at work and dealing with things that ultimately won't mean anything in five years. How selfish I must be to even allow the idea of sucking on the shit to enter my mind? I don't think anyone other than the folks here can understand how utterly ashamed of my addiction I am at this point. I don't even think getting caught by the wife or using in front of my kids has ever made me this embarrassed and humiliated. I am going to list all the reasons I can for avoiding the "worm dirt" and keeping a copy of it in my wallet next to my contract. I have way too much to be thankful for this crap, I have too much to live for to have my children watch me take my last breath because of this shit. God Bless Tom and Jenny and their family, and God Bless the people giving of themselves to help rid others of this brutal addiction.
Curt
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I had a very tough day today on many levels, triggers from every angle and serious doubt in my own quit. I posted my concerns and texted my support network. It worked as I imagined and the crave subsided. Thanks to russjns, flash, vertex, and redyota for the positive text messages and all those who posted helping me through this today.
I saved reading something on this site for exactly this type of moment. Based on what many people have written, Tom and Jenny's Story helped them to make the final decision to begin a quit, I had already decided to quit before I joined so as I read the additional resources and introduction posts I purposely avoided that one link. I didn't expect what I just read to affect me like this. I write this with tears in my eyes for Tom and Jenny's family, the struggle and hardships that family has faced is NOTHING compared to my crappy day at work and dealing with things that ultimately won't mean anything in five years. How selfish I must be to even allow the idea of sucking on the shit to enter my mind? I don't think anyone other than the folks here can understand how utterly ashamed of my addiction I am at this point. I don't even think getting caught by the wife or using in front of my kids has ever made me this embarrassed and humiliated. I am going to list all the reasons I can for avoiding the "worm dirt" and keeping a copy of it in my wallet next to my contract. I have way too much to be thankful for this crap, I have too much to live for to have my children watch me take my last breath because of this shit. God Bless Tom and Jenny and their family, and God Bless the people giving of themselves to help rid others of this brutal addiction.
Curt
CD, you've been one of the people I've looked to from the beginning, not to be perfect, and not to never crave, just to never cave. You did it by the numbers, just like you were supposed to. The moment passed.
You did it right.
The Kern's story was the direct reason I joined this site, immediately after I finished reading it. I haven't talked with her, but I know for sure Jenny Kern didn't write that letter to humiliate us addicts. In her pain, she wrote that letter to help us, and our wives and husbands and partners and children. What you experienced today was exactly the reason she wrote that letter.
Like you've told me a few times, you pay it forward. She helped you, you've helped me, and even as a noob I'd like to think I'm helping some others also. You just needed some help today is all, and you asked for and got it. Thanks for hanging tough.
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Here's a fun activity - spend 10 minutes if you have the time:
What are the benefits of quitting tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the benefits of using tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the negatives of using tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the negatives of quitting tobacco? (common theme?)
Can you man up today for a better tomorrow?
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Here's a fun activity - spend 10 minutes if you have the time:
What are the benefits of quitting tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the benefits of using tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the negatives of using tobacco? (common theme?)
What are the negatives of quitting tobacco? (common theme?)
Can you man up today for a better tomorrow?
you know i have the time and i am going to put those questions with my reasons and contract....maybe you aren't such asshole after all....maybe just maybe an a-hole 'winker'
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Why I post roll everyday:
It is the MINIMUM requirement of membership for AT LEAST the first 100 days of my quit; I take my quit seriously enough to meet the expectations of this site.
I post early so that the promise is the first thing on my mind, during the day, I check-in and watch the list grow knowing that others are joining me with their quit.
I make a commitment everyday to keep my quit strong and force me to be accountable to others.
I must be here for my brothers and sisters if I expect them to be there for me.
I have to keep the suck fresh, or heaven forbid, I forget the hell of withdraw.
Missing role will let me down; I have set a standard for myself.
I canÂ’t quite trust myself alone in my quit yet.
I am addict and would rather hang out here with other addicts than stuff shit in my mouth.
I owe my family this quit because of the lies, time, and money I have taken from them for this addiction.
I deserve to be nicotine free and it requires effort because I am an addict.
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Why I post roll everyday:
It is the MINIMUM requirement of membership for AT LEAST the first 100 days of my quit; I take my quit seriously enough to meet the expectations of this site.
I post early so that the promise is the first thing on my mind, during the day, I check-in and watch the list grow knowing that others are joining me with their quit.
I make a commitment everyday to keep my quit strong and force me to be accountable to others.
I must be here for my brothers and sisters if I expect them to be there for me.
I have to keep the suck fresh, or heaven forbid, I forget the hell of withdraw.
Missing role will let me down; I have set a standard for myself.
I canÂ’t quite trust myself alone in my quit yet.
I am addict and would rather hang out here with other addicts than stuff shit in my mouth.
I owe my family this quit because of the lies, time, and money I have taken from them for this addiction.
I deserve to be nicotine free and it requires effort because I am an addict.
Solid.
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Why I post roll everyday:
It is the MINIMUM requirement of membership for AT LEAST the first 100 days of my quit; I take my quit seriously enough to meet the expectations of this site.
I post early so that the promise is the first thing on my mind, during the day, I check-in and watch the list grow knowing that others are joining me with their quit.
I make a commitment everyday to keep my quit strong and force me to be accountable to others.
I must be here for my brothers and sisters if I expect them to be there for me.
I have to keep the suck fresh, or heaven forbid, I forget the hell of withdraw.
Missing role will let me down; I have set a standard for myself.
I canÂ’t quite trust myself alone in my quit yet.
I am addict and would rather hang out here with other addicts than stuff shit in my mouth.
I owe my family this quit because of the lies, time, and money I have taken from them for this addiction.
I deserve to be nicotine free and it requires effort because I am an addict.
Solid.
Damn right, good stuff Curt.
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Why I post roll everyday:
It is the MINIMUM requirement of membership for AT LEAST the first 100 days of my quit; I take my quit seriously enough to meet the expectations of this site.
I post early so that the promise is the first thing on my mind, during the day, I check-in and watch the list grow knowing that others are joining me with their quit.
I make a commitment everyday to keep my quit strong and force me to be accountable to others.
I must be here for my brothers and sisters if I expect them to be there for me.
I have to keep the suck fresh, or heaven forbid, I forget the hell of withdraw.
Missing role will let me down; I have set a standard for myself.
I canÂ’t quite trust myself alone in my quit yet.
I am addict and would rather hang out here with other addicts than stuff shit in my mouth.
I owe my family this quit because of the lies, time, and money I have taken from them for this addiction.
I deserve to be nicotine free and it requires effort because I am an addict.
Solid.
Damn right, good stuff Curt.
Curt, can't disagree with a single letter you posted.
I read your post, and have to add (which I know you support and/or do yourself) -
I hang out in chat with my fellow quitters so quitting doesn't leave my conscious thought.
I hang out in chat to help inspire people on the fence to jump to our side and quit that disgusting, cancer causing addiction. One day at a time.
I PM other quitters that have hit milestones (HOF, months, weeks, double digits, etc) as much as I can to encourage them to congratulate others on their mini and major milestones. One day at a time.
I try and stay up to midnight so I can post. It lets me go to bed knowing I have promised to quit for the day before it really starts for me. It helps me know, from the moment I get up, that if I have to chuck in a lip when I wake up, as I have for the past 5 years, that it will be hooch, smc, a mint, or whatever the fuck it is, but none of that cancer dirt that controlled me for the past 1/4 of my life. I am DONE with that shit. I am, and will always be a December 09 quitter. One and ONLY one quit group for me. One day at a time, for the rest of my life.
Jason
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One and ONLY one quit group for me. One day at a time, for the rest of my life.
Methinks I'll stop by this little intro section whenever my quit is lacking steam. Great stuff up in here.
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and canÂ’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Well researched and good info, Thanks. I like being a 15%er although a would rather be in a 15 incher club :P
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Thanks for the info CD, it's good to put some numbers to it. As a trained statistician, though, I'd really like to see the tests before I accepted the numbers as gospel. Which group would people like (for example) Volp fall into? Depending on the researcher's own prejudices, or the construction of the survey, he might be considered a quitter or not. And if they cave, then succeed for more than two years, are they counted twice, once as a quit and once as a cave? What if they cave 3 times, then succeed?
Such considerations can REALLY skew statistical surveys. Not to minimize your efforts here, which are outstanding. I'm just sayin'.
Anyway, WE'RE quit, wherever that puts us in the numbers.
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Thanks for the info CD, it's good to put some numbers to it. As a trained statistician, though, I'd really like to see the tests before I accepted the numbers as gospel. Which group would people like (for example) Volp fall into? Depending on the researcher's own prejudices, or the construction of the survey, he might be considered a quitter or not. And if they cave, then succeed for more than two years, are they counted twice, once as a quit and once as a cave? What if they cave 3 times, then succeed?
Such considerations can REALLY skew statistical surveys. Not to minimize your efforts here, which are outstanding. I'm just sayin'.
We're still quit, and that's that.
hell i'm no statistician not even close just looked to see what nic cessation is, methodology is the all important factor and can blow any study apart, just interesting that looking at the number of members that have joined this site and postings match the data i saw....like i said i was bored
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Thanks for the info CD, it's good to put some numbers to it. As a trained statistician, though, I'd really like to see the tests before I accepted the numbers as gospel. Which group would people like (for example) Volp fall into? Depending on the researcher's own prejudices, or the construction of the survey, he might be considered a quitter or not. And if they cave, then succeed for more than two years, are they counted twice, once as a quit and once as a cave? What if they cave 3 times, then succeed?
Such considerations can REALLY skew statistical surveys. Not to minimize your efforts here, which are outstanding. I'm just sayin'.
We're still quit, and that's that.
hell i'm no statistician not even close just looked to see what nic cessation is, methodology is the all important factor and can blow any study apart, just interesting that looking at the number of members that have joined this site and postings match the data i saw....like i said i was bored
It's been said before that the board's success numbers are pretty well aligned with the overall statistics. It's interesting to see that yet again.
But here's some numbers that I try to pay attention to: 100% of the people that really want to quit bad enough to stop making excuses and do whatever it takes no matter how "hard it is actually quit. 100% of the people that know using nicotine is bad for them but aren't really willing to do whatever it takes to quit eventually fail.
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Thanks for the info CD, it's good to put some numbers to it. As a trained statistician, though, I'd really like to see the tests before I accepted the numbers as gospel. Which group would people like (for example) Volp fall into? Depending on the researcher's own prejudices, or the construction of the survey, he might be considered a quitter or not. And if they cave, then succeed for more than two years, are they counted twice, once as a quit and once as a cave? What if they cave 3 times, then succeed?
Such considerations can REALLY skew statistical surveys. Not to minimize your efforts here, which are outstanding. I'm just sayin'.
We're still quit, and that's that.
hell i'm no statistician not even close just looked to see what nic cessation is, methodology is the all important factor and can blow any study apart, just interesting that looking at the number of members that have joined this site and postings match the data i saw....like i said i was bored
It's been said before that the board's success numbers are pretty well aligned with the overall statistics. It's interesting to see that yet again.
But here's some numbers that I try to pay attention to: 100% of the people that really want to quit bad enough to stop making excuses and do whatever it takes no matter how "hard it is actually quit. 100% of the people that know using nicotine is bad for them but aren't really willing to do whatever it takes to quit eventually fail.
amen to that 44
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it seems to me that the thrust here has been lost in the stats and numbers, i am no statistician, my point was:
WHAT THIS SITE MEANS TO ME
Who in the world would bet on any of us?
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and canÂ’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
the closest i ever come to stats is my grade book and the ten year census. I am just proud to among the folks here
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I was bored so I did a little tinkering and found some interesting stuff.
According to recent studies, nicotine users who have stopped ingesting nicotine have a success rate of 23% for one year of abstinence and 14% for two years; these are the numbers for those using a support system. Alone, the success rate is dramatically lower, around 14% make it one year and 9% make it two years. Both studies, one by the Tobacco Health Related Disease Institute and the other through NIH notice little change in success rate following two years and both studies included only smokers and both stated that smokeless tobacco appears more difficult to quit long term. No other drug shows relapse rates this high, heroin comes the closest.
Who in the world would bet on any of us? A less than 1 in 4 chance to make one year and less than 1 in 10 to make it two alone?
How many people visited here one day, signed up, and have never been heard from again? About 85%, by using the member list have posted 0 to less than 100 times, excluding those joining before 100 days have passed.
Â
We are the 15%ers. We will make it. A life without nicotine is possible, we found a support and hopefully we are using it. We are the ones that made it past the 30 day mark when most relapses occur. We have determined to change our lives. We are the ones not afraid to admit that we are weak and can’t do it alone. We are stronger together because we understand how hard it is to fight this. We know ways to distract ourselves and have the vehicle to do it here, from chat to wildcard to posting. We are more powerful against nicotine than anyone of us ever were by ourselves. We are committed to benefiting ourselves and our families and helping perfect strangers to do the same. We hold ourselves accountable to multiple networks of support. We make life changes to avoid the triggers. We will do this, we will succeed, and our lives will be much better for it. We are the 15%ers. We are FREE.
Thanks for the info CD, it's good to put some numbers to it. As a trained statistician, though, I'd really like to see the tests before I accepted the numbers as gospel. Which group would people like (for example) Volp fall into? Depending on the researcher's own prejudices, or the construction of the survey, he might be considered a quitter or not. And if they cave, then succeed for more than two years, are they counted twice, once as a quit and once as a cave? What if they cave 3 times, then succeed?
Such considerations can REALLY skew statistical surveys. Not to minimize your efforts here, which are outstanding. I'm just sayin'.
We're still quit, and that's that.
hell i'm no statistician not even close just looked to see what nic cessation is, methodology is the all important factor and can blow any study apart, just interesting that looking at the number of members that have joined this site and postings match the data i saw....like i said i was bored
It's been said before that the board's success numbers are pretty well aligned with the overall statistics. It's interesting to see that yet again.
But here's some numbers that I try to pay attention to: 100% of the people that really want to quit bad enough to stop making excuses and do whatever it takes no matter how "hard it is actually quit. 100% of the people that know using nicotine is bad for them but aren't really willing to do whatever it takes to quit eventually fail.
amen to that 44
I refuse to be a statistic anymore. Once I realized the only way to quit and stay quit is if I accecpt the responsibility of controlling my own actions. A little can no longer controls my actions, thoughts, emotions, MY DESTINY. I DO! There is no going back from here or I am that statistic I refuse to be.
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funk the funk, just when you're feeling strong there it is sneaking around first whispering the bs of just one, then who'll care if you use, then go get a can you know how to keep it hidden and you'll do better....
all lies, nothing in my life will get better by using again, i would not just be hurting me, i am not an island and too many would be like you had three months WTF, and the only heavy trigger is that my wife is out of town which would have meant going nuts with griz three months ago...
yes nic i get it, you and i were great friends once and i just walked out on you with no warning; but you never gave me anything at all...i spent money that could have been better used for a host of things, i had to hide from my wife and lie to my kids, so i want you know we are done and it really is more annoying now when you come around calling, i have the team, support, and helpers to enforce the self placed restraining order on you, now run along you have no power here any longer
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IÂ’m just wondering, is their anyone else that has reached 100 days and had a serious case of just what in the hell do I do now? IÂ’m not talking about craves or shit like that, just a letdown, a feeling like okay whatÂ’s next? I guess I should expect this, I mean they talked about this feeling after my open heart surgery I do remember it. They told me that itÂ’s because you get so geared up mentally, it happens and that is that. Guess this is kind of like that. I mean I was so aggressive in my quit pushing and pushing, hit a hundred and not looking now at a shiny new benchmark moment for a while.
So I guess what I am thinking of doing is setting a personal next benchmark at 123 daysÂ…no reason just want to have something a little closer to aim for than finish today and post tomorrow and keep counting to the next KTC Milestone. This way I keep a target in focus, maybe this will get my passion for my quit back. If any of you have experienced this, please let me know how you handled it, what did you do to keep the focus on the quit and avoid complacency?
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IÂ’m just wondering, is their anyone else that has reached 100 days and had a serious case of just what in the hell do I do now? IÂ’m not talking about craves or shit like that, just a letdown, a feeling like okay whatÂ’s next? I guess I should expect this, I mean they talked about this feeling after my open heart surgery I do remember it. They told me that itÂ’s because you get so geared up mentally, it happens and that is that. Guess this is kind of like that. I mean I was so aggressive in my quit pushing and pushing, hit a hundred and not looking now at a shiny new benchmark moment for a while.
So I guess what I am thinking of doing is setting a personal next benchmark at 123 daysÂ…no reason just want to have something a little closer to aim for than finish today and post tomorrow and keep counting to the next KTC Milestone. This way I keep a target in focus, maybe this will get my passion for my quit back. If any of you have experienced this, please let me know how you handled it, what did you do to keep the focus on the quit and avoid complacency?
What you are going through is very common. I still get it after I've made it the next floor or beaten a trigger event.
You may want to check this out cd. index.php?showtopic=1770 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1770) In fact, why don't you try to add to it as you continue to celebrate successes.
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I’m just wondering, is their anyone else that has reached 100 days and had a serious case of just what in the hell do I do now? I’m not talking about craves or shit like that, just a letdown, a feeling like okay what’s next? I guess I should expect this, I mean they talked about this feeling after my open heart surgery I do remember it. They told me that it’s because you get so geared up mentally, it happens and that is that. Guess this is kind of like that. I mean I was so aggressive in my quit pushing and pushing, hit a hundred and not looking now at a shiny new benchmark moment for a while.
So I guess what I am thinking of doing is setting a personal next benchmark at 123 days…no reason just want to have something a little closer to aim for than finish today and post tomorrow and keep counting to the next KTC Milestone. This way I keep a target in focus, maybe this will get my passion for my quit back. If any of you have experienced this, please let me know how you handled it, what did you do to keep the focus on the quit and avoid complacency?
What you are going through is very common. I still get it after I've made it the next floor or beaten a trigger event.
You may want to check this out cd. index.php?showtopic=1770 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1770) In fact, why don't you try to add to it as you continue to celebrate successes.
some guys use milestones and it helps. Other guys just keep quitting one day at a time and that works. For me I try to remember that there is no ultimate number that is a magic destination. Im just quit, and everyday I'm just a lil more quit. 100 was big for me , and like you I had a bit of a let down. At 200 I understood that while being quit for 200 was a really cool accomplishment it was not a goal. My goal is to stay quit, no one day is more important than another. Milestones are just signposts that show how far you have come they will never tell you that you have arrived. Because were addicts we have to always keep traveling, but you will never not be an addict just because you hit some number.
Nice Job Cd, your a good quitter, keep it up
Skoal Monster
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I’m just wondering, is their anyone else that has reached 100 days and had a serious case of just what in the hell do I do now? I’m not talking about craves or shit like that, just a letdown, a feeling like okay what’s next? I guess I should expect this, I mean they talked about this feeling after my open heart surgery I do remember it. They told me that it’s because you get so geared up mentally, it happens and that is that. Guess this is kind of like that. I mean I was so aggressive in my quit pushing and pushing, hit a hundred and not looking now at a shiny new benchmark moment for a while.
So I guess what I am thinking of doing is setting a personal next benchmark at 123 days…no reason just want to have something a little closer to aim for than finish today and post tomorrow and keep counting to the next KTC Milestone. This way I keep a target in focus, maybe this will get my passion for my quit back. If any of you have experienced this, please let me know how you handled it, what did you do to keep the focus on the quit and avoid complacency?
What you are going through is very common. I still get it after I've made it the next floor or beaten a trigger event.
You may want to check this out cd. index.php?showtopic=1770 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1770) In fact, why don't you try to add to it as you continue to celebrate successes.
some guys use milestones and it helps. Other guys just keep quitting one day at a time and that works. For me I try to remember that there is no ultimate number that is a magic destination. Im just quit, and everyday I'm just a lil more quit. 100 was big for me , and like you I had a bit of a let down. At 200 I understood that while being quit for 200 was a really cool accomplishment it was not a goal. My goal is to stay quit, no one day is more important than another. Milestones are just signposts that show how far you have come they will never tell you that you have arrived. Because were addicts we have to always keep traveling, but you will never not be an addict just because you hit some number.
Nice Job Cd, your a good quitter, keep it up
Skoal Monster
Curt, I hear you and can relate to where you are at now. I had all the build-up and excitement of reaching 100 and writing the speech and all that and then I had a big letdown. I guess you could say a bad case of the "I don't Give a Shits". Some of that for me was probably the realization that now I really have to stay quit and the novelty had worn off.
I have managed to reinvigorate my passion for quitting by staying involved and adopting several new quitters since my HOF. I also have made it a point to meet other quitters (12 so far) and will be meeting a new one over Thanksgiving break on the way to see my inlaws (which will probably be the highlight of my Thanksgiving this year). Hang in there bro!!! PM me if you need some additional encouragement.
Kdip
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I’m just wondering, is their anyone else that has reached 100 days and had a serious case of just what in the hell do I do now? I’m not talking about craves or shit like that, just a letdown, a feeling like okay what’s next? I guess I should expect this, I mean they talked about this feeling after my open heart surgery I do remember it. They told me that it’s because you get so geared up mentally, it happens and that is that. Guess this is kind of like that. I mean I was so aggressive in my quit pushing and pushing, hit a hundred and not looking now at a shiny new benchmark moment for a while.
So I guess what I am thinking of doing is setting a personal next benchmark at 123 days…no reason just want to have something a little closer to aim for than finish today and post tomorrow and keep counting to the next KTC Milestone. This way I keep a target in focus, maybe this will get my passion for my quit back. If any of you have experienced this, please let me know how you handled it, what did you do to keep the focus on the quit and avoid complacency?
What you are going through is very common. I still get it after I've made it the next floor or beaten a trigger event.
You may want to check this out cd. index.php?showtopic=1770 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=1770) In fact, why don't you try to add to it as you continue to celebrate successes.
some guys use milestones and it helps. Other guys just keep quitting one day at a time and that works. For me I try to remember that there is no ultimate number that is a magic destination. Im just quit, and everyday I'm just a lil more quit. 100 was big for me , and like you I had a bit of a let down. At 200 I understood that while being quit for 200 was a really cool accomplishment it was not a goal. My goal is to stay quit, no one day is more important than another. Milestones are just signposts that show how far you have come they will never tell you that you have arrived. Because were addicts we have to always keep traveling, but you will never not be an addict just because you hit some number.
Nice Job Cd, your a good quitter, keep it up
Skoal Monster
Curt, I hear you and can relate to where you are at now. I had all the build-up and excitement of reaching 100 and writing the speech and all that and then I had a big letdown. I guess you could say a bad case of the "I don't Give a Shits". Some of that for me was probably the realization that now I really have to stay quit and the novelty had worn off.
I have managed to reinvigorate my passion for quitting by staying involved and adopting several new quitters since my HOF. I also have made it a point to meet other quitters (12 so far) and will be meeting a new one over Thanksgiving break on the way to see my inlaws (which will probably be the highlight of my Thanksgiving this year). Hang in there bro!!! PM me if you need some additional encouragement.
Kdip
Find your voice.
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
DUDE! I just told my 8 year old that if he ever saw me put another one of those fithly dips in my mouth. I 'd let him kick me in the balls. He has autisim...he looked at me and said" Yeah but you'll forget why I kicked you and be mad at me " I said "I know but you won't "
IT JUST DAWNED ON ME. I set the example for him and everyone I meet. Be proud of the example you're setting for your boys, Believe me, not many fathers get it this right all the time.........
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
Curt, glad you are feeling better. You are a badass quitter, you get it, and you are an asset around here. I set a bad example for my children as well. But that is in the past now, never to be done again. Be proud, brother.
Good stuff.
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
I love reading your thoughts, Curt....you are an ongoing inspiration to my quit! Glad as hell to be in October with you!
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
:wub:
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
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Damn CD you have been reading minds. 'worship'
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CD, that is some powerful stuff! My family is SOOOO proud of me for quitting and I get still get reminded about it almost daily over a year later!!! Stick around here for the long haul. You have SOOOOO much to offer new quitters!!!
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during my lurking hiatus over the weekend i wrote this...maybe smokey is right i need to find my voice...my quit is solid right now and i am getting into the rhythm again...the hubbub of the HOF has faded and i now feel re-energized...enjoy
Dichotomy of the Quit
I hate quitting. I hate that I have to constantly keep my guard up. I hate that friends offer me the one thing I cannot have. I hate seeing new quitters come in here with the same arrogant and cocky ideas about much tougher they are than this addiction only to cave in a week. I hate that so many people have to be here. I hate that I ever put that crap in my mouth. I hate the fact that my own son wrote his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction 3 years ago and my youngest son is working on his D.A.R.E. essay about my addiction. I hate wanting. I hate craves. I hate being nearly 41 and throwing this kind of tantrum.
I love being quit. I love staring down threats to my quit. I love telling my friends, no thanks when they offer me a dip. I love seeing new quitters that have their shit together, ask for help, and have fun and realize that this is serious shit, a matter of life and death. I love that so many of us give freely of ourselves to work our quits and help others work their quits. I love that I donÂ’t need that crap in my mouth to feel normal. I love that my son is writing his D.A.R.E. essay on how proud he is that his dad quit. I love that only wanting is there, not the need. I love craves because they show that I am in recovery. I love being nearly 41 and not hiding these kinds of thoughts anymore.
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Damn CD you have been reading minds. 'worship'
That's fucking AWESOME !!!!
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fuck...fuck...fuck...
ok, i am sitting at 150+, quits humming along using my fucking tools to keep the bitch at bay and wham
she fucking blind sides my ass at the checkout line at the grocery on saturday afternoon...closet thing ever to a cave(if their had been my brand there, sold out, i know i would have bought it, and most likely have used) i've had. now i sit here 3/4 days later the bitch has found a weakness and now i am working hard again, she won't shut the fuck up, the whole just one won't hurt and the damned little voice actually agreeing with her...
sm said to get small, i'm doing that, i will not let her win this battle, i only posted in my group from sat-to today, fuck that! big mistake...
to any noobs or wanna be quitters...there isn't a cure and i am still fighting, if i can fight this so can you..
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fuck...fuck...fuck...
ok, i am sitting at 150+, quits humming along using my fucking tools to keep the bitch at bay and wham
she fucking blind sides my ass at the checkout line at the grocery on saturday afternoon...closet thing ever to a cave(if their had been my brand there, sold out, i know i would have bought it, and most likely have used) i've had. now i sit here 3/4 days later the bitch has found a weakness and now i am working hard again, she won't shut the fuck up, the whole just one won't hurt and the damned little voice actually agreeing with her...
sm said to get small, i'm doing that, i will not let her win this battle, i only posted in my group from sat-to today, fuck that! big mistake...
to any noobs or wanna be quitters...there isn't a cure and i am still fighting, if i can fight this so can you..
You don't see it yet... but this is a good thing.
A little scare now and again keeps you on your toes. I've often said that I don't WANT to forget. People think I'm nuts for saying that but this is exactly why.
My quit nearly killed me. I'm never going back. If I've got to "pick at that scab" a little bit every day and remind myself that I'm an addict then so be it.
One thing did concern me though. Seems like fate was on your side by the fact that you brand was not in stock. What happened if it was? You said you most likely would have bought and used. What's your plan? When would it have gone into affect? Do you have phone numbers? If you need one let me know and you've got mine.
I can honestly say in all of my years here I've never heard of a time where a brother was on the phone with another or had even sent a text and STILL went through with a cave. The problem is you've got to be ready for that if it happens.
chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 70+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
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fuck...fuck...fuck...
ok, i am sitting at 150+, quits humming along using my fucking tools to keep the bitch at bay and wham
she fucking blind sides my ass at the checkout line at the grocery on saturday afternoon...closet thing ever to a cave(if their had been my brand there, sold out, i know i would have bought it, and most likely have used) i've had. now i sit here 3/4 days later the bitch has found a weakness and now i am working hard again, she won't shut the fuck up, the whole just one won't hurt and the damned little voice actually agreeing with her...
sm said to get small, i'm doing that, i will not let her win this battle, i only posted in my group from sat-to today, fuck that! big mistake...
to any noobs or wanna be quitters...there isn't a cure and i am still fighting, if i can fight this so can you..
You don't see it yet... but this is a good thing.
A little scare now and again keeps you on your toes. I've often said that I don't WANT to forget. People think I'm nuts for saying that but this is exactly why.
My quit nearly killed me. I'm never going back. If I've got to "pick at that scab" a little bit every day and remind myself that I'm an addict then so be it.
One thing did concern me though. Seems like fate was on your side by the fact that you brand was not in stock. What happened if it was? You said you most likely would have bought and used. What's your plan? When would it have gone into affect? Do you have phone numbers? If you need one let me know and you've got mine.
I can honestly say in all of my years here I've never heard of a time where a brother was on the phone with another or had even sent a text and STILL went through with a cave. The problem is you've got to be ready for that if it happens.
chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 70+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
Cd, I fight it to every so often as well. I have been using Chewie's method and it has worked so far. Never got past number 1.
Fight the Fight CD. We are with you. I know you have my number call me if you get into that situation again, brother.
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fuck...fuck...fuck...
ok, i am sitting at 150+, quits humming along using my fucking tools to keep the bitch at bay and wham
she fucking blind sides my ass at the checkout line at the grocery on saturday afternoon...closet thing ever to a cave(if their had been my brand there, sold out, i know i would have bought it, and most likely have used) i've had. now i sit here 3/4 days later the bitch has found a weakness and now i am working hard again, she won't shut the fuck up, the whole just one won't hurt and the damned little voice actually agreeing with her...
sm said to get small, i'm doing that, i will not let her win this battle, i only posted in my group from sat-to today, fuck that! big mistake...
to any noobs or wanna be quitters...there isn't a cure and i am still fighting, if i can fight this so can you..
You don't see it yet... but this is a good thing.
A little scare now and again keeps you on your toes. I've often said that I don't WANT to forget. People think I'm nuts for saying that but this is exactly why.
My quit nearly killed me. I'm never going back. If I've got to "pick at that scab" a little bit every day and remind myself that I'm an addict then so be it.
One thing did concern me though. Seems like fate was on your side by the fact that you brand was not in stock. What happened if it was? You said you most likely would have bought and used. What's your plan? When would it have gone into affect? Do you have phone numbers? If you need one let me know and you've got mine.
I can honestly say in all of my years here I've never heard of a time where a brother was on the phone with another or had even sent a text and STILL went through with a cave. The problem is you've got to be ready for that if it happens.
chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 70+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
Cd, I fight it to every so often as well. I have been using Chewie's method and it has worked so far. Never got past number 1.
Fight the Fight CD. We are with you. I know you have my number call me if you get into that situation again, brother.
chewie, you are absolutely right...i didn't think at that moment...i'd like to believe that the walk back to the car would have cleared my head but i honestly don't know...i still got work to do...i will beat this and will not use that crap again just gottta keep on my toes..thanks for the comments...yes i do have many numbers and that is part of what drives nuts about this particular crave...
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fuck...fuck...fuck...
ok, i am sitting at 150+, quits humming along using my fucking tools to keep the bitch at bay and wham
she fucking blind sides my ass at the checkout line at the grocery on saturday afternoon...closet thing ever to a cave(if their had been my brand there, sold out, i know i would have bought it, and most likely have used) i've had. now i sit here 3/4 days later the bitch has found a weakness and now i am working hard again, she won't shut the fuck up, the whole just one won't hurt and the damned little voice actually agreeing with her...
sm said to get small, i'm doing that, i will not let her win this battle, i only posted in my group from sat-to today, fuck that! big mistake...
to any noobs or wanna be quitters...there isn't a cure and i am still fighting, if i can fight this so can you..
You don't see it yet... but this is a good thing.
A little scare now and again keeps you on your toes. I've often said that I don't WANT to forget. People think I'm nuts for saying that but this is exactly why.
My quit nearly killed me. I'm never going back. If I've got to "pick at that scab" a little bit every day and remind myself that I'm an addict then so be it.
One thing did concern me though. Seems like fate was on your side by the fact that you brand was not in stock. What happened if it was? You said you most likely would have bought and used. What's your plan? When would it have gone into affect? Do you have phone numbers? If you need one let me know and you've got mine.
I can honestly say in all of my years here I've never heard of a time where a brother was on the phone with another or had even sent a text and STILL went through with a cave. The problem is you've got to be ready for that if it happens.
chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 70+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
Cd, I fight it to every so often as well. I have been using Chewie's method and it has worked so far. Never got past number 1.
Fight the Fight CD. We are with you. I know you have my number call me if you get into that situation again, brother.
chewie, you are absolutely right...i didn't think at that moment...i'd like to believe that the walk back to the car would have cleared my head but i honestly don't know...i still got work to do...i will beat this and will not use that crap again just gottta keep on my toes..thanks for the comments...yes i do have many numbers and that is part of what drives nuts about this particular crave...
cd- glad you DID choose to keep quit. When I said get small, I mean to quit in minutes and hours instead of days. I meant to guard your quit first and foremost and THEN worry about everything else. I think that your being vocal here really helps you, so don't stop that. I like Chewie's analogy about keeping the wound fresh. Go back and re-read some of your old posts, re- read the cancer and quitter stories, do what worked for you in the beginning when it was a minute by minute battle. I still have to do that.
Tools you have
1. There is no just one, there is that one AND 10,000 more that comes with it. We quit because the 10,000 weren't fun , they hurt and all the stuff that came with em hurt.
2. Phone numbers- enough said , at least send a text to a buddy and say your having a hard time
3. Chat
4. Do something else, anything else, just don't dip.
I hit the funk like a brick wall around 60 days. Again at 120, again at 200 , again 320, it hurt. Others have told me they did about the same. I notice the space between keeps getting bigger. I am pretty sure it will for you too.
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thanks for all the support and ass kickings, they were all well deserved. i forgot rule number 1 have a plan and it damn near cost me...i recommitted to using the tools i need like fake stuff for bad craves, i only have used maybe 2 full cans since i quit, i have the shit in my car for exactly that reason and i forgot it...i spent the last few days monitoring my behavior and craves and have found 4 distinct periods where craves present themselves so now i know where to avoid, when to get small (love the idea sm), use the phone full of numbers just by texting HELP I AM HAVING A MAJOR CRAVE! it has worked before, i am sharing these things because we all have felt weak and sometimes when we know that the regular posters post a problem we are not alone...long story short; faced on doozie of a crave/considered buying can but store sold out/posted about it my quit group. i've been beating myself up about the mistakes i made, i need to forgive myself for putting myself in jeopardy, i am still quit, my body is nicotine free and has been since july 17, 2009
just curious; if this was a victory it must have been a horrible fight cuz i feel miserable....
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
I like the phrase "I AM" it sets an intention and guides your actions.
Hoping and Trying are for dreamers and dippers.
We dont' dip, we quit!
Good job Cd!!
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
I like the phrase "I AM" it sets an intention and guides your actions.
Hoping and Trying are for dreamers and dippers.
We dont' dip, we quit!
Good job Cd!!
Congrats on 1/2 year CD!
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
I like the phrase "I AM" it sets an intention and guides your actions.
Hoping and Trying are for dreamers and dippers.
We dont' dip, we quit!
Good job Cd!!
Congrats on 1/2 year CD!
nice 'clap' 'clap'
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
I like the phrase "I AM" it sets an intention and guides your actions.
Hoping and Trying are for dreamers and dippers.
We dont' dip, we quit!
Good job Cd!!
Congrats on 1/2 year CD!
nice 'clap' 'clap'
'40'
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i told you all that i hoped that this try would work... bull fucking shit...i AM MY QUIT and at 1/2 a year i am one determined mfer that i will not ever use again
I like the phrase "I AM" it sets an intention and guides your actions.
Hoping and Trying are for dreamers and dippers.
We dont' dip, we quit!
Good job Cd!!
Congrats on 1/2 year CD!
nice 'clap' 'clap'
'40'
Congrats on the half year! There's no "hoping" or "trying" involved in your quit, just a whole lot of "doing".
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The Road to 300 Days of Quitting
I probably have moments like all of you that are periods of disbelief. Disbelief that I actually did it and took the first step to quit by doing what is both incredibly easy, not putting the shit in your mouth again, and doing what is incredibly hard, not putting the shit in your mouth again. I have moments of disbelief that even when dipping seems like an option my respect for the folks here is strong enough to get me through those moments. I have disbelief that I made it this far when everyone else kept telling me I could. I know that craves can be handled but I have to be vigilant and mindful of everything I do. I didnÂ’t believe that craves could be overcome, I once thought it had to be fed. I am in disbelief that while it does get easier to live without it, I havenÂ’t had one day without either hard craves or the nibbling on the ear lobe from the bitch. I am in disbelief that I am in this for the long haul, but I am.
Thanks again for all the support, I couldnÂ’t make it without you all.
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The Road to 300 Days of Quitting
I probably have moments like all of you that are periods of disbelief. Disbelief that I actually did it and took the first step to quit by doing what is both incredibly easy, not putting the shit in your mouth again, and doing what is incredibly hard, not putting the shit in your mouth again. I have moments of disbelief that even when dipping seems like an option my respect for the folks here is strong enough to get me through those moments. I have disbelief that I made it this far when everyone else kept telling me I could. I know that craves can be handled but I have to be vigilant and mindful of everything I do. I didnÂ’t believe that craves could be overcome, I once thought it had to be fed. I am in disbelief that while it does get easier to live without it, I havenÂ’t had one day without either hard craves or the nibbling on the ear lobe from the bitch. I am in disbelief that I am in this for the long haul, but I am.
Thanks again for all the support, I couldnÂ’t make it without you all.
You are the man CD. Awesome job.
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The Road to 300 Days of Quitting
I probably have moments like all of you that are periods of disbelief. Disbelief that I actually did it and took the first step to quit by doing what is both incredibly easy, not putting the shit in your mouth again, and doing what is incredibly hard, not putting the shit in your mouth again. I have moments of disbelief that even when dipping seems like an option my respect for the folks here is strong enough to get me through those moments. I have disbelief that I made it this far when everyone else kept telling me I could. I know that craves can be handled but I have to be vigilant and mindful of everything I do. I didn’t believe that craves could be overcome, I once thought it had to be fed. I am in disbelief that while it does get easier to live without it, I haven’t had one day without either hard craves or the nibbling on the ear lobe from the bitch. I am in disbelief that I am in this for the long haul, but I am.
Thanks again for all the support, I couldnÂ’t make it without you all.
You are the man CD. Awesome job.
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