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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: LifeAfterDip on January 10, 2014, 06:53:00 PM
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Where to begin? I've been dipping since the age of 16, although not consistently until just before I could buy the shit on my own. I still remember the first time I ever put the nasty, gum shredding stuff in my mouth. My older brother offered me a pinch of Grizzly Wintergreen and despite my objections would not take no for an answer. Like so many of us here, I was hooked after my first dip.
I remember relying on older friends to buy me tins before I was 18. Even though I only went through a tin a week, I still needed it.. I remember cherishing every dip, as if somehow it was the greatest thing I could've ever come across. Then came the 18th birthday, welcome to adulthood, the beginning of the end for my nicotine addiction. I went from dipping a tin a week, to two tins...to three tins...by the end of high school I was at a tin every other day and for the last two years a tin a day. I couldn't take it anymore. I hated having to leave or sneak out of events in order to get a dip. Being at work for long periods at a time was no longer becoming possible without dip breaks every couple of hours. I'd lost my control, I'd let nicotine take control of my life and there was only one way to take it back.
I, like many, have attempted to quit before. Yes "attempted"..I never gave it all I had. Really, nothing more than seeing how long I could let my gums heal before caving. Not anymore. This has gone on far too long. I'm 21 years young and done. I don't care how hard this shit is. I don't care how long it takes for my brain to rewire itself. I'm starting now (my quit date is actually 01/06/14). I know the KTC plan works, and I'm ready to work towards being living proof of that.
Quit on brothers and sisters, I'll be right beside you
-John
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Welcome aboard john it sounds like you have a decent grasp on today's journey. Pm me if you need anything.
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Thank you very much for the support!
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Thank you very much for the support!
I like your attitude John, you sound pretty serious. And why shouldnt you be? After all this is your life we are talking about.
Be sure to post roll. Learn it, do it, live it. It is the back bone of this program. You are in the April 2014 group.
index.php?showtopic=9259 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9259)
You need anything, just say the word. Support is here for the asking. You should have 1/2 dozens numbers by tomorrow if you really wanna do this.
Ryan
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John,
Like you, I began to hate the control that nicotine had over my life--the secrets, the sneaking out...it wasn't worth it anymore. We lie to ourselves and tell ourselves that we "need" it but that's just the chains holding us back from reaching our potential without a crutch.
If you quit on the 6th, the nicotine is out of your system. Drink plenty of water, exercise, and keep your mouth occupied. I chew seeds but some swear by the fake stuff like Smokey Mtn. I've found that exercising to exhaustion can really take away some of the edge that you may be feeling.
Look in your inbox. You'll see a message from me there.
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Holy shit man. You and I must be thinking the same things. Right away I found a friend in seeds. I've had a pack with me everywhere I go. Like you mentioned water was also key. I've also found exercise to be essential. Kicking the nicotine has definitely created an "edge" about me that I hadn't noticed before. Bought some whey protein and have been kicking ass in the gym. Got 4 tins of Smokey Mountain Wintergreen today, and they've come in handy whenever I get those nasty trigger dip cravings.
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Thank you very much for the support!
I like your attitude John, you sound pretty serious. And why shouldnt you be? After all this is your life we are talking about.
Be sure to post roll. Learn it, do it, live it. It is the back bone of this program. You are in the April 2014 group.
index.php?showtopic=9259 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=9259)
You need anything, just say the word. Support is here for the asking. You should have 1/2 dozens numbers by tomorrow if you really wanna do this.
Ryan
Right on man. I finally realized that dip wasn't my friend. It wasn't my ally. It was stealing from my wallet, taking away my health, subtracting from my friends and making me into someone I wasn't. I'm pretty sure I've got role-call figured out. It's just going to be a matter of making it a daily habit. So far I can't get enough of this site. Lots of great people, fighting to get their lives back. I'll fight right beside you guys, day in and day out. Let's do this.
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Welcome to KTC LAD. I was noticing that you have posted roll and have also posted up in other new quitters intros. I find that impressive. Congrats on making the best decision of your life. Wayne
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Hi John- I wanted to throw my support in here too. I like you you seem calm and committed about your quit. It really is a terrible addiction. It's great to see you ready to leave it behind. Here is an article on how the addiction works, to help you realize why you should never go back: Nicotine Addiction 101 (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
The article shows what a scary poison nicotine is, and how it actually takes over your brain to make you want to keep on getting a fix.
I'm glad to quit with you today, and so glad you are on this journey!
send me a PM if i can help you in any way or if you want my number.
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Thank you for all of the kind comments. I decided to quit with a certain set mentality, that mentally was to center around seeing dip for what it was. For the longest time I convinced myself that dip was some kind of magic cure to everything. Stress, relationship issues, and everything else. Convinced myself that dip made me a better fisherman, hunter, mechanic, and made everything more enjoyable. It's pathetic. Dip didn't add anything to my life, it only subtracted, and all along I was convinced otherwise. Don't fall in the same trap fellow quitters. Whenever the nic cravings are knocking at your door, remember it for what it actually was, a subtraction, a dirty nasty addiction.
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Thank you for all of the kind comments. I decided to quit with a certain set mentality, that mentally was to center around seeing dip for what it was. For the longest time I convinced myself that dip was some kind of magic cure to everything. Stress, relationship issues, and everything else. Convinced myself that dip made me a better fisherman, hunter, mechanic, and made everything more enjoyable. It's pathetic. Dip didn't add anything to my life, it only subtracted, and all along I was convinced otherwise. Don't fall in the same trap fellow quitters. Whenever the nic cravings are knocking at your door, remember it for what it actually was, a subtraction, a dirty nasty addiction.
I admire you and am jealous. But I'm very happy for you. Leverage this site and the people here to keep yourself quit. Don't hesitate to reach out.
I wish I was as smart as you when I was your age.
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Good to see that you're drinking the Kool-aid; arguably double fisting it. Posting roll and posting in these forums. Venting what you've known, what your learning, and what you've found through self-inflection. Pretty amazing to see what we looked like as dippers once we've made it to the other side of the fog. Actually, it's pretty pathetic. Glad to be quitting with you. Stay strong, stay quit, and stay free.
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Where to begin? I've been dipping since the age of 16, although not consistently until just before I could buy the shit on my own. I still remember the first time I ever put the nasty, gum shredding stuff in my mouth. My older brother offered me a pinch of Grizzly Wintergreen and despite my objections would not take no for an answer. Like so many of us here, I was hooked after my first dip.
I remember relying on older friends to buy me tins before I was 18. Even though I only went through a tin a week, I still needed it.. I remember cherishing every dip, as if somehow it was the greatest thing I could've ever come across. Then came the 18th birthday, welcome to adulthood, the beginning of the end for my nicotine addiction. I went from dipping a tin a week, to two tins...to three tins...by the end of high school I was at a tin every other day and for the last two years a tin a day. I couldn't take it anymore. I hated having to leave or sneak out of events in order to get a dip. Being at work for long periods at a time was no longer becoming possible without dip breaks every couple of hours. I'd lost my control, I'd let nicotine take control of my life and there was only one way to take it back.
I, like many, have attempted to quit before. Yes "attempted"..I never gave it all I had. Really, nothing more than seeing how long I could let my gums heal before caving. Not anymore. This has gone on far too long. I'm 21 years young and done. I don't care how hard this shit is. I don't care how long it takes for my brain to rewire itself. I'm starting now (my quit date is actually 01/06/14). I know the KTC plan works, and I'm ready to work towards being living proof of that.
Quit on brothers and sisters, I'll be right beside you
-John
John,
We share our quit date. I welcome to Day 7! I quit with you today!
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Thank you for all of the kind comments. I decided to quit with a certain set mentality, that mentally was to center around seeing dip for what it was. For the longest time I convinced myself that dip was some kind of magic cure to everything. Stress, relationship issues, and everything else. Convinced myself that dip made me a better fisherman, hunter, mechanic, and made everything more enjoyable. It's pathetic. Dip didn't add anything to my life, it only subtracted, and all along I was convinced otherwise. Don't fall in the same trap fellow quitters. Whenever the nic cravings are knocking at your door, remember it for what it actually was, a subtraction, a dirty nasty addiction.
Good realization. Use it to shore up your quit even more today. Each day add another brick to the fortress. You're getting it LAD, proud to be quit with you today.
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Whenever the nic cravings are knocking at your door, remember it for what it actually was, a subtraction, a dirty nasty addiction.
Ah, another apprentice is learning......well done
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Well here we are, early in day 8 and my quit was put to the ultimate test. Working overnight, under a high level of stress and two guys pull out a tin. I glance over, and see them pack a wad of that shit and I kind of chuckled. It was weird, when they asked if I wanted a pinch, nicotine called and I craved a bit but I didn't really miss it. It didn't miss being a free man. You see they HAD to dip, but I had a choice. I was quit, and that freedom was not to be sacrificed. Felt pretty good.
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Well here we are, early in day 8 and my quit was put to the ultimate test. Working overnight, under a high level of stress and two guys pull out a tin. I glance over, and see them pack a wad of that shit and I kind of chuckled. It was weird, when they asked if I wanted a pinch, nicotine called and I craved a bit but I didn't really miss it. It didn't miss being a free man. You see they HAD to dip, but I had a choice. I was quit, and that freedom was not to be sacrificed. Felt pretty good.
Way to f***ing resist the temptation, the trigger, and the peer pressure. You've got a solid quit goin' on. And great observation about those guys "needing" to dip, while you, my friend, are already free and on the winning side of that big suck we all just went through. Thinking clear is pretty awesome. Good for you. Quit on baby!
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We all made a promise. It's up to us to keep that promise. When we signed up for this nobody said it was going to be easy, nobody said it was going to be fun, but this is a fight for your life and we all gave nicotine a head start. That's what it comes down to.
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We all made a promise. It's up to us to keep that promise. When we signed up for this nobody said it was going to be easy, nobody said it was going to be fun, but this is a fight for your life and we all gave nicotine a head start. That's what it comes down to.
I think that is best way anyone could put it that is some awesome shit.
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We all made a promise. It's up to us to keep that promise. When we signed up for this nobody said it was going to be easy, nobody said it was going to be fun, but this is a fight for your life and we all gave nicotine a head start. That's what it comes down to.
I think that is best way anyone could put it that is some awesome shit.
This guy wants all to know, fun or not, I value my quit! I embrace the suck and now...I kind of like it. 'rem'
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Well here we are, early in day 8 and my quit was put to the ultimate test. Working overnight, under a high level of stress and two guys pull out a tin. I glance over, and see them pack a wad of that shit and I kind of chuckled. It was weird, when they asked if I wanted a pinch, nicotine called and I craved a bit but I didn't really miss it. It didn't miss being a free man. You see they HAD to dip, but I had a choice. I was quit, and that freedom was not to be sacrificed. Felt pretty good.
Way to f***ing resist the temptation, the trigger, and the peer pressure. You've got a solid quit goin' on. And great observation about those guys "needing" to dip, while you, my friend, are already free and on the winning side of that big suck we all just went through. Thinking clear is pretty awesome. Good for you. Quit on baby!
Agree with you and Zill-house on this one, recognizing that your co-workers had to dip and you had a choice. I think that not only do we make a promise to ourselves and our brethren here to stay quit, we also make a promise to uphold our freedom from the can and our right to choose that freedom. Nicotine robbed us of our freedom to choose, and by quitting we have taken that right back. I like to think that we are stronger people now, especially in numbers (we have KTC), and we won't relinquish this newly reacquired freedom so easily. Feels pretty F'in good if you ask me.
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Well here we are, early in day 8 and my quit was put to the ultimate test. Working overnight, under a high level of stress and two guys pull out a tin. I glance over, and see them pack a wad of that shit and I kind of chuckled. It was weird, when they asked if I wanted a pinch, nicotine called and I craved a bit but I didn't really miss it. It didn't miss being a free man. You see they HAD to dip, but I had a choice. I was quit, and that freedom was not to be sacrificed. Felt pretty good.
Way to f***ing resist the temptation, the trigger, and the peer pressure. You've got a solid quit goin' on. And great observation about those guys "needing" to dip, while you, my friend, are already free and on the winning side of that big suck we all just went through. Thinking clear is pretty awesome. Good for you. Quit on baby!
Agree with you and Zill-house on this one, recognizing that your co-workers had to dip and you had a choice. I think that not only do we make a promise to ourselves and our brethren here to stay quit, we also make a promise to uphold our freedom from the can and our right to choose that freedom. Nicotine robbed us of our freedom to choose, and by quitting we have taken that right back. I like to think that we are stronger people now, especially in numbers (we have KTC), and we won't relinquish this newly reacquired freedom so easily. Feels pretty F'in good if you ask me.
Bunch of bad-ass quitters right here helping each other out. I love it!
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The same thing happened again tonight (coworkers pulled out a tin) and not only did I not want the nic, I convinced them to use Smokey Mountain instead and they loved it. I told them about KTC and how much better I've felt since quitting and they seemed to buy right in
I love being quit! This brotherhood is strong!!
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The same thing happened again tonight (coworkers pulled out a tin) and not only did I not want the nic, I convinced them to use Smokey Mountain instead and they loved it. I told them about KTC and how much better I've felt since quitting and they seemed to buy right in
I love being quit! This brotherhood is strong!!
that is a recipe for success.. hold your head high as you're a member of an elite quit force.. we can't be shaken.. period
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The same thing happened again tonight (coworkers pulled out a tin) and not only did I not want the nic, I convinced them to use Smokey Mountain instead and they loved it. I told them about KTC and how much better I've felt since quitting and they seemed to buy right in
I love being quit! This brotherhood is strong!!
Good for you man. This is still the hardest part for me (being around buddies that still chew). My response though whenever one of them asks me why I quit is "how much time do you have?" If you need the quit "answers," go read Diesel's page. He had an encounter a couple weeks ago with a dude that couldn't tell his head from his ass when it came to what the nic was doing to him.
Use the tools that KTC gives us and you'll be able to bring that fight to the NB's turf.
Proud to be quit with you today LAD.
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The mentality that I've fully committed to throughout my quit is literally the exact opposite of the one I had as a dipper. As a dipper I found or created excuses to have a dip, I was ashamed of what I was doing but something told me I needed to do it. As a quitter I take full responsibility for my daily trials and triumphs and it feels damn good. Don't idolize the dip. Your brain is telling you to but don't listen to it. It's all kinds of messed up and being rewired, it doesn't know so it's reverting back to it's old way of thinking. Don't worry this will change for the better. Even if you're are drowning in the temptation of dip ALWAYS REMEMBER back to your roll call post. Do you think your quit buddies would sit quietly and watch you pack a lip if they were there in person? Of course not! So don't do it. You promised your quit buddies you wouldn't dip, but more importantly, you promised yourself. Perhaps the single most important thing to remember is that this feeling of being weak, feeling sick, and craving all the time, is temporary so long as you remain quit, remain vigilant, and help your brothers in quit.
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The mentality that I've fully committed to throughout my quit is literally the exact opposite of the one I had as a dipper. As a dipper I found or created excuses to have a dip, I was ashamed of what I was doing but something told me I needed to do it. As a quitter I take full responsibility for my daily trials and triumphs and it feels damn good. Don't idolize the dip. Your brain is telling you to but don't listen to it. It's all kinds of messed up and being rewired, it doesn't know so it's reverting back to it's old way of thinking. Don't worry this will change for the better. Even if you're are drowning in the temptation of dip ALWAYS REMEMBER back to your roll call post. Do you think your quit buddies would sit quietly and watch you pack a lip if they were there in person? Of course not! So don't do it. You promised your quit buddies you wouldn't dip, but more importantly, you promised yourself. Perhaps the single most important thing to remember is that this feeling of being weak, feeling sick, and craving all the time, is temporary so long as you remain quit, remain vigilant, and help your brothers in quit.
Standing and applauding. Well said and so true.
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
Lifeafterdip, congrats on your 10 days. Wow, you already feel better and things are turning around quickly for you? I am day 18 and I am still on guard. Enjoy the new "feelings" but remember that a bad day or a strong urge can show up at any time. You gotta keep your awareness high. See you in chat!
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
Yes, I recognize some of those changes. They make sense given the absence of the poison, and the fact that your brain is rewiring the "ahhh" circuitry to function as it was supposed to be, prior to nicotine hijacking it. And your mouth is clean instead of contaminated, and so on. Look into the link i posted earlier, and also all over the site resources here. It's amazing how much cleans up in your life by sticking to your one good decision to quit.
Enjoy, and as others have pointed out, savor the good times to help carry you through any tough ones that come your way.
Quit on! you are already getting some of the benefits!
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
I couldn't have worded it better myself SAM.
LAD - Most certainly enjoy the good days as you get them, but absolutely do not, under any circumstances, think you have this thing kicked. You will be up and down and up and down again many times over, especially in the first 30 days but also during the first 100. As great as you feel right now, you might feel just as bad tomorrow or the next day or day 45. That isn't meant to scare you, the lesson is you have to take the good with the bad for awhile. Try not to get too up on the goods and too down on the bads and you'll be setting yourself up for success.
Glad to see that you're in a good spot right now, but stay vigilant. Keep things simple, ODAAT and EDD.
Proud to be quit with you LAD.
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
I couldn't have worded it better myself SAM.
LAD - Most certainly enjoy the good days as you get them, but absolutely do not, under any circumstances, think you have this thing kicked. You will be up and down and up and down again many times over, especially in the first 30 days but also during the first 100. As great as you feel right now, you might feel just as bad tomorrow or the next day or day 45. That isn't meant to scare you, the lesson is you have to take the good with the bad for awhile. Try not to get too up on the goods and too down on the bads and you'll be setting yourself up for success.
Glad to see that you're in a good spot right now, but stay vigilant. Keep things simple, ODAAT and EDD.
Proud to be quit with you LAD.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
Here's the link. Bretlees and others have been sharing this link. Its a good read.
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
I couldn't have worded it better myself SAM.
LAD - Most certainly enjoy the good days as you get them, but absolutely do not, under any circumstances, think you have this thing kicked. You will be up and down and up and down again many times over, especially in the first 30 days but also during the first 100. As great as you feel right now, you might feel just as bad tomorrow or the next day or day 45. That isn't meant to scare you, the lesson is you have to take the good with the bad for awhile. Try not to get too up on the goods and too down on the bads and you'll be setting yourself up for success.
Glad to see that you're in a good spot right now, but stay vigilant. Keep things simple, ODAAT and EDD.
Proud to be quit with you LAD.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
Here's the link. Bretlees and others have been sharing this link. Its a good read.
Thanks for sharing the link GrizzlyHasClaws; I was having trouble locating it again.
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I've got a question, and maybe someone on here can answer it. I'm 10 days into my quit and recently I've been noticing some changes. Emotionally I seem more invested in things, I'm not indifferent to the ones I love anymore. Physically, I feel awesome. Food tastes great, my appetite is amazing and my energy levels are much, much higher. Am I noticing these changes because I quit or is my brain acting funny?
I've said it before and will probably again....I am no wizard and I am also at day 10 so congrats on that! Based on the reading I have done on this site and also reading some other's introductions who have been quit longer than us (these intros end up documenting the ride over time); I think you are noticing these changes because you quit and your brain is rewiring or as you put it "acting funny". Someone in the last week or so posted a link on one of these intros to a great article that really talked about the physiological effects on the brain of nicotine addiction and how it fills the dopamine receptors and then connected to how these open back up as your brain rewires after cutting off you addictions head. I will try and find it and PM you the link since I think it may help you understand your experience.
Here's what I think. The first 72 hours of our quits is physical and mental. The physical part (body flushing out the nicotine and actual physical withdraw symptoms) is fairly short lived, but the mental part/the habit is forever although it does get easier. I think at this point in our quits we should really feel good about feeling good and I am psyched for you and how good you are feeling. I also think that we are facing more of a roller coaster ride especially in the first 30 days and really probably the first 100 days. It will get less intense and less frequent but there will be challenges, which is why posting roll and keeping your support network up is so important. I think that people who drop off once they start to feel good get burned when they hit a rough spot. Enjoy how you are feeling right now, and tuck it away and remember it when you hit a rough spot. Those rough spots will get less frequent and intense with time, but we still got some roller coaster ahead of us. Enjoy the view from the top of the drop:-)
I quit with you today and every day.
I couldn't have worded it better myself SAM.
LAD - Most certainly enjoy the good days as you get them, but absolutely do not, under any circumstances, think you have this thing kicked. You will be up and down and up and down again many times over, especially in the first 30 days but also during the first 100. As great as you feel right now, you might feel just as bad tomorrow or the next day or day 45. That isn't meant to scare you, the lesson is you have to take the good with the bad for awhile. Try not to get too up on the goods and too down on the bads and you'll be setting yourself up for success.
Glad to see that you're in a good spot right now, but stay vigilant. Keep things simple, ODAAT and EDD.
Proud to be quit with you LAD.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html (http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html)
Here's the link. Bretlees and others have been sharing this link. Its a good read.
Thanks for sharing the link GrizzlyHasClaws; I was having trouble locating it again.
Nicotine + Use = Death
Nictotine Addiction + KTC quit = Life
NAFAR + ODAAT = QLFEDD
I don't want to be on my death bed wishing I had another year to live, do you?
Embrace all the bodily changes, it's all Good!
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Thanks for chiming in guys. I think I have a small advantage to the average quitter because I am on anxiety medication which provides a real peace of mind, everything is ok mentality. I've had some pretty intense craves which I proceed to shoot down. Can't stress how important it is to see nicotine for what it is, the enemy. The sooner you are able to see past all the lies the sooner you'll be able to embrace the truth, the quit.
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Thanks for chiming in guys. I think I have a small advantage to the average quitter because I am on anxiety medication which provides a real peace of mind, everything is ok mentality. I've had some pretty intense craves which I proceed to shoot down. Can't stress how important it is to see nicotine for what it is, the enemy. The sooner you are able to see past all the lies the sooner you'll be able to embrace the truth, the quit.
You're getting it. Good work. Stay after it and the hard work is going to start paying incredible dividends.
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Day 12 and I went through the worst set of craves yet. I was driving all day moving furniture and the entire time was craving my old crutch. It sucked ass but I powered through it. Part if me likes the temptation. I want to be battle hardened and become better for it, I want dip to hate me, BECAUSE I HATE DIP.
Stay strong today brothers. We're in battle, we're fighting for our freedoms. We will win if we rely on one another when we are at our weakest.
-John
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Day 12 and I went through the worst set of craves yet. I was driving all day moving furniture and the entire time was craving my old crutch. It sucked ass but I powered through it. Part if me likes the temptation. I want to be battle hardened and become better for it, I want dip to hate me, BECAUSE I HATE DIP.
Stay strong today brothers. We're in battle, we're fighting for our freedoms. We will win if we rely on one another when we are at our weakest.
-John
You got this LAD! Way to fight through Day 12!!! Guard your quit this weekend!
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[/QUOTE]It sucked ass but I powered through it. Part if me likes the temptation. I want to be battle hardened and become better for it, I want dip to hate me, BECAUSE I HATE DIP.
I like to see this mind set. You are demonstrating the traits of a serious quitter. The more you beat down those triggers and temptations the easier quitting gets. When we reach deep and pull the quit out the brain eventually sees things our way. Glad to be quit with you.
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Well, this is week number two of me working long hours overnight and having to put up with coworkers who pack their lips full of the nic bitch. It's been alright, last week I didn't give a shit about what they did, this week they've started to piss me off. I've been way more irritable and feeling slightly depressed. Today is day 15 so I'm hoping this passes. Either way the quit remains strong.
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Well, this is week number two of me working long hours overnight and having to put up with coworkers who pack their lips full of the nic bitch. It's been alright, last week I didn't give a shit about what they did, this week they've started to piss me off. I've been way more irritable and feeling slightly depressed. Today is day 15 so I'm hoping this passes. Either way the quit remains strong.
Way to push through! Yes, you cannot ever let your guard down. The nic bitch is around somewhere! Good thing you only have to have your guard up for today! See you at roll tomorrow!
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Day 17 now for me and I still have yet to fully escape "the fog" how long did it last for you guys?
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Day 17 now for me and I still have yet to fully escape "the fog" how long did it last for you guys?
Man... I felt goofed out for about a month. Was it a fog? I don't know. I do know this... I dipped for 25 years... To erase that damage and the continual/habitual addicted use can NOT be done away with in just a few weeks. Be patient brother. It may take awhile. You may also wake up tomorrow and feel reborn. Who knows. The important thing to feel good about is every +1 you rack up. That's a huge win every damn time. Weird as it may sound... Relish this time and remember it. You never want to deal with this again. More important... This is you healing. That rocks man. Pm me if you'd like another number. Glad to help in any way. Rock on...
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I could have written the same question a couple months ago- the fog lasted a while for me. Same for Big Jayhawk Russ in my quit class, and Jayhawk said it was that way for him too. It can last a while.
Hang in there and keep reaching out - we are here to help. It will suck for a while, then it won't, and you'll be free. It's yours for the taking but you have to earn it. You are doing just that!
I'm glad to be quitting with you!
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Well today has been one of those kind of days where everyone is fucking annoying and I'm angry for no apparent reason. Another solid reminder to never go through this again.
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Well today has been one of those kind of days where everyone is fucking annoying and I'm angry for no apparent reason. Another solid reminder to never go through this again.
That sounds like exactly what you needed from today. Get thru today and never do it again. Quit with you!
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Had my second dip dream today..so realistic made me wake up in a cold sweat thinking I had caved! My quit just got a whole lot stronger.
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What kind of sores in my mouth should I be worried about? I just noticed a white colored lump on my gums. Not very large and not painful just looks like a zit haha
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What kind of sores in my mouth should I be worried about? I just noticed a white colored lump on my gums. Not very large and not painful just looks like a zit haha
Any sores that are painful, bleeding, oozing or that do not go away after a week definitely worth getting checked out. Otherwise cracked gums, tooth aches and lumps and sores should heal and receed after 3-5 days.
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What kind of sores in my mouth should I be worried about? I just noticed a white colored lump on my gums. Not very large and not painful just looks like a zit haha
Most of us are not Dr's here (sure there's a few), but I would wait a couple few days, if not gone then get to the Dr. and let him/her tell you it is nothing.
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My "sore" turned out to be nothing and was gone rather quickly. I have a question to pose to you vets..did any of you find yourself grinding your teeth unconsciously? I never did it in the past but in the last week I've been catching myself in the act. So bizarre.
And finally I'd like to make note that today I hardly thought about dip. I know that's rare but it was nice to get a break before day 23. Quit on quitters.
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My "sore" turned out to be nothing and was gone rather quickly. I have a question to pose to you vets..did any of you find yourself grinding your teeth unconsciously? I never did it in the past but in the last week I've been catching myself in the act. So bizarre.
And finally I'd like to make note that today I hardly thought about dip. I know that's rare but it was nice to get a break before day 23. Quit on quitters.
Great news and glad to hear it! Not grinding my teeth...my jaw is exhausted after two packs of gum everyday and it sleeps all night:-) Sounds like today was a good day. See you at Day 24 brother!
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My "sore" turned out to be nothing and was gone rather quickly. I have a question to pose to you vets..did any of you find yourself grinding your teeth unconsciously? I never did it in the past but in the last week I've been catching myself in the act. So bizarre.
And finally I'd like to make note that today I hardly thought about dip. I know that's rare but it was nice to get a break before day 23. Quit on quitters.
LAD, you are rocking this quit. Keep it up and before you know it life will be good. The days will start passing quickly and the thought of dip will fade with moments of insanity. I quit with you today. One day at a time, is so important.
Mogul
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I note that you are the one who put the Benjamin Millepied in our quit group today. Please explain???
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Did I? I'm sorry. Woke up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night and posted roll on my phone, must've copied and pasted by accident.
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And finally I'd like to make note that today I hardly thought about dip. I know that's rare but it was nice to get a break before day 23. Quit on quitters.
Only rare at first thank God. You keep fighting EDD and sooner or later you will have lots more days that you don't think about dip other than when you post roll and are on KTC. I quit with you all day.
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Did I? I'm sorry. Woke up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night and posted roll on my phone, must've copied and pasted by accident.
Aww Man! I was looking for some deeper meaning of the relationship of the Black Swan choreographer and star dancer (had to google his name) to quitting nicotine and being a resolute bastard!
Oh well, back to quitting with you!
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
youre going to look silly. I do. But my advice is to run around your building (if youre at work). One lap. takes two minutes. Endorphins. This helps.
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
youre going to look silly. I do. But my advice is to run around your building (if youre at work). One lap. takes two minutes. Endorphins. This helps.
When it hits me like that I like to go post support with other quit groups. Seeing all the names and numbers next to all the quitters and supporters helps calm me down. The "exercise" of cutting/pasting/bump fixing/etc also helps me move on. Just my .02.
PB
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
youre going to look silly. I do. But my advice is to run around your building (if youre at work). One lap. takes two minutes. Endorphins. This helps.
When it hits me like that I like to go post support with other quit groups. Seeing all the names and numbers next to all the quitters and supporters helps calm me down. The "exercise" of cutting/pasting/bump fixing/etc also helps me move on. Just my .02.
PB
Day 26 and you are recognizing your old BS patterns. Today you did something different than you prob did in the past. Instead of running to the can of death... You reached out for help. This is what you got to do.
You got some great advice as well.
Keep at it today. Fight thru it. Quit!
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
youre going to look silly. I do. But my advice is to run around your building (if youre at work). One lap. takes two minutes. Endorphins. This helps.
When it hits me like that I like to go post support with other quit groups. Seeing all the names and numbers next to all the quitters and supporters helps calm me down. The "exercise" of cutting/pasting/bump fixing/etc also helps me move on. Just my .02.
PB
Day 26 and you are recognizing your old BS patterns. Today you did something different than you prob did in the past. Instead of running to the can of death... You reached out for help. This is what you got to do.
You got some great advice as well.
Keep at it today. Fight thru it. Quit!
The new you welcomes these moments. The new you realizes it don't need it never did. Your one bad dude today bro. Breath in that dignity and freedom. This only lasts a short time but feels like weeks. Gather all the hate you can muster and let the poison have it. Read my signature line. You're worth it bro. Screw the poison.
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Day 26 and for whatever reason I'm aggravated...with everything! Its frustrating because I can't shake it. Screw off nic. Really hoping this passes quickly.
This is probably a brain rewire thing going on for you. I've had it happen plenty. Maybe some of that might be that I was part asshole all along though, who knows?
Remember that getting really angry can be a back door way for your brain to get some of the stuff its missing as it downsizes the number of certain receptors. To teach yourself an alternative, get some exercise pretty soon if you can and breathe deeply. Even if you can just take a walk it'll help, getting some healthy endorphins going.
IF you need to release the steam, remember you can do it in here.
Go for a walk. Breath some fresh air.
youre going to look silly. I do. But my advice is to run around your building (if youre at work). One lap. takes two minutes. Endorphins. This helps.
When it hits me like that I like to go post support with other quit groups. Seeing all the names and numbers next to all the quitters and supporters helps calm me down. The "exercise" of cutting/pasting/bump fixing/etc also helps me move on. Just my .02.
PB
Day 26 and you are recognizing your old BS patterns. Today you did something different than you prob did in the past. Instead of running to the can of death... You reached out for help. This is what you got to do.
You got some great advice as well.
Keep at it today. Fight thru it. Quit!
The new you welcomes these moments. The new you realizes it don't need it never did. Your one bad dude today bro. Breath in that dignity and freedom. This only lasts a short time but feels like weeks. Gather all the hate you can muster and let the poison have it. Read my signature line. You're worth it bro. Screw the poison.
Normal.
Hate the poison.
Any exercise will help, but if you can hit something... Heavy bag, chopping wood, batting cages, fight club...
I also liked a good quit rant on my intro when I was vexed.
Quit on!
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I think we can all agree that quitting is incredibly liberating. Not sure about you all but I'm addicted to my quit, just as I was addicted to using smokeless tobacco. In my head there is now nothing I can't accomplish. My confidence has risen, I'm more interested in going out rather than staying in, and physically I feel great.
Maybe you guys have heard about this and maybe you haven't, but there's a site that is dedicated to quitting fapping just as KTC is dedicated to quitting nicotine. The movement is called "no fap" and the idea has intrigued me for a while. I realize that each person can decide for his or herself what's good for their body but I've kind of realized I need to jump into this just as I jumped into KTC. The results of shutting down the porn and self stimulation are actually pretty astonishing and I think I'll really be able to have a much higher level of self control. Testosterone levels jump 40% after just one week and other major positive changes have been noticed.
I can honestly say that the process of killing the can has sparked a desire for me to unlock my true potential. To shoot for more. To not sit back and let life play out but to take it to life. 27 days of change, and I'm looking forward to some more. One day at a time.
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Along with my rolle call I've also be jotting down dates on sheesheets of paper and physically crossing them off at the end of each day, and after yesterday (day 28) I had a moment a reflection and I thought I'd share it on here for anyone who might be able to use it.
There are two sides to every member of KTC, the addict, and the reasonable human being. The addict protects his/her addiction first and can't imagine life without it. The person behind that addiction knows the toll its taking financially, physically, emotionally, socially and mentally. The addict says "one more day", "one more week", "one more month" while who we really are says "this very moment". Think about this, for years and years we chose to take a major toll on our lives by feeding our addiction, by going to any length to protect it even if it meant lying. Its a miracle that we finally put an end to that nonsense! Even if your quit is the hardest thing you do, (and mine was damn near it) hold on for one more moment. For one more moment distance yourself from the bitch who has been tricking you over and over again. You see she CAN'T have THIS moment, only the next one IF YOU LET HER. So when she's whispering her bullshit into your ear remember who you were when the two of you were together. Remember the lies and toll she took on you. Quitting is introducing you to a completely different version of yourself. A better version. A version that is better because she isn't a part of it. Don't let her be a part of it. You had your time with her and this is so much better. 5 weeks in and I'm drinking more kool-aid than ever.
I'll quit with anyone who'll drink it with me.
-LAD (John)
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Along with my rolle call I've also be jotting down dates on sheesheets of paper and physically crossing them off at the end of each day, and after yesterday (day 28) I had a moment a reflection and I thought I'd share it on here for anyone who might be able to use it.
There are two sides to every member of KTC, the addict, and the reasonable human being. The addict protects his/her addiction first and can't imagine life without it. The person behind that addiction knows the toll its taking financially, physically, emotionally, socially and mentally. The addict says "one more day", "one more week", "one more month" while who we really are says "this very moment". Think about this, for years and years we chose to take a major toll on our lives by feeding our addiction, by going to any length to protect it even if it meant lying. Its a miracle that we finally put an end to that nonsense! Even if your quit is the hardest thing you do, (and mine was damn near it) hold on for one more moment. For one more moment distance yourself from the bitch who has been tricking you over and over again. You see she CAN'T have THIS moment, only the next one IF YOU LET HER. So when she's whispering her bullshit into your ear remember who you were when the two of you were together. Remember the lies and toll she took on you. Quitting is introducing you to a completely different version of yourself. A better version. A version that is better because she isn't a part of it. Don't let her be a part of it. You had your time with her and this is so much better. 5 weeks in and I'm drinking more kool-aid than ever.
I'll quit with anyone who'll drink it with me.
-LAD (John)
I quit with you LifeAfter...our new freedom is a thing of beauty. You've got a great quit going, and yes, that koolaid does taste good...!
ZC
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Had a weird dip nightmare last night.. except there was no dip involved. My mother is an incredible woman and she's been very supportive of my quit. Well, in my dream she bought me some of the nicorette gum and it was strange, because I didn't want to use it but at the same time I felt bad throwing it out...escaping the clutches on nicotine one day, one dip nightmare at a time. Lets see what else day 34 has in store.
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Has anyone else had trouble around the 35 day mark?
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Has anyone else had trouble around the 35 day mark?
Waddayamean by trouble?
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Has anyone else had trouble around the 35 day mark?
Waddayamean by trouble?
Check out Emulator's intro thread...kind of on topic recently. At day 36 - I can tell you it still not easy and I have still been pretty funky at times. Lovey tells me I am not quite as tense as I was at first but she still thinks I am on edge. I agree with her. Just getting able to concentrate at work for more than 15 minutes at a time. Basically lost the month of January being addicted to my quit as you put it in a PM. Keep reading and reaching out we are not out of the woods yet.
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By trouble I mean in a funk of sorts. Not performing to full capacity. Almost as if I've somehow gone partially back to week one. It's hard to explain, I guess I feel like I've gone backwards the last few days. Way less focus, more tired, I don't know, dipping is no longer an option but it does blow to go through this.
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By trouble I mean in a funk of sorts. Not performing to full capacity. Almost as if I've somehow gone partially back to week one. It's hard to explain, I guess I feel like I've gone backwards the last few days. Way less focus, more tired, I don't know, dipping is no longer an option but it does blow to go through this.
Be patient. And STICK IT OUT. You gotta give your brain time to heal. Keep stacking up days! One fucking day at a Time! It's our mantra. But oh so true! Keep going, there are good days ahead!
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By trouble I mean in a funk of sorts. Not performing to full capacity. Almost as if I've somehow gone partially back to week one. It's hard to explain, I guess I feel like I've gone backwards the last few days. Way less focus, more tired, I don't know, dipping is no longer an option but it does blow to go through this.
Be patient. And STICK IT OUT. You gotta give your brain time to heal. Keep stacking up days! One fucking day at a Time! It's our mantra. But oh so true! Keep going, there are good days ahead!
Hi LAD. Rdad's right in my opinion. Also, I looked back at my thread because I thought I remembered wondering about enduring symptoms around where you are in time. Sure enough, I had several symptoms that were pretty active around 40 days, in early December for me. Just remember to also notice the good things and times that are already coming your way because you quit. Yeah there are lingering issues but be patient they do get better. The longer term vets all seem to report that it keeps getting better and better, and I can say that's true as far as I've come. There are down times and all but it's overall wonderful even just this far in. The body and mind just keep healing so far!
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LAD, I have to agree with these quitters. I had the fog about every 25 days or so. The worst being the first few days which you are very well past. The second worst was in the 80's. and it stuck around a few days. It had me wondering. I'm sure it will show up again somewhere. I will say that alcohol seems to help the fog come back. In my case anyway. I'm going to take another 100 days off of the stuff, lose some weight and get healthier.
I'm sure we are all still healing from what we have done to our bodies for so many years. Congrats on making it this far, look forward to more days quitting with you. You got this...
Mogul
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Thanks for the timely responses!
Its always something when quitting this stuff, but you know what? I'd have it no other way. Did I really expect becoming a free man would be easy? Did I expect ending my love affair with a can of cancer could be done without some scars being left over?
If any perspective quitters happen to read this, ask yourself, who's calling the shots in your life - yourself or your nicotine? If you can't leave the house without your tin I hope you didn't say you are.
Its time you man up and start asking for a little help. Start fighting, scratching, and crawling to regain your life. Its worth it. Its worth every struggle.
Quit on quitters.
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Thanks for the timely responses!
Its always something when quitting this stuff, but you know what? I'd have it no other way. Did I really expect becoming a free man would be easy? Did I expect ending my love affair with a can of cancer could be done without some scars being left over?
If any perspective quitters happen to read this, ask yourself, who's calling the shots in your life - yourself or your nicotine? If you can't leave the house without your tin I hope you didn't say you are.
Its time you man up and start asking for a little help. Start fighting, scratching, and crawling to regain your life. Its worth it. Its worth every struggle.
Quit on quitters.
Damn straight! Freedom is not given away for free... It is earned. If it was ez everyone would be doing it. Not everyone has the guts to quit today. I know you do. QLF!!!
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Thanks for the timely responses!
Its always something when quitting this stuff, but you know what? I'd have it no other way. Did I really expect becoming a free man would be easy? Did I expect ending my love affair with a can of cancer could be done without some scars being left over?
If any perspective quitters happen to read this, ask yourself, who's calling the shots in your life - yourself or your nicotine? If you can't leave the house without your tin I hope you didn't say you are.
Its time you man up and start asking for a little help. Start fighting, scratching, and crawling to regain your life. Its worth it. Its worth every struggle.
Quit on quitters.
Damn straight! Freedom is not given away for free... It is earned. If it was ez everyone would be doing it. Not everyone has the guts to quit today. I know you do. QLF!!!
Stay the course Lifeafterdip. You're doing all the right things.
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Its fu***** good to be quit. Carry on.
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Its fu***** good to be quit. Carry on.
Hell yes. It's the best.
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Thought I'd post an update, just in case anyone can benefit from my experience.
Wow.
Quitting dip is something else. Every single piece of me has been changed or effected one way or another since quitting, and I'm only on day 51. I think that most of us uncover the extent of our addictions only after we quit, and boy am I doing just that...
You see I'm 21 years old with a lot to learn. Dip was my lifeline, my go to, the one thing I needed to conquer any task. But was it? Think about it, is dip an all-powerful magic can full of dirt that is able to remove stress and problems? Does it make life more or less enjoyable? Can we drive without it? Does it make us appreciate what we have more or less? Or is it a complete hoax? A huge lie that tricks us into coming back for more and more? Depending where you are in your quit and how much of a strangle nicotine has on your brain will determine how you approach these answers.
Since I'm an addict who has since developed a level of perspective I'm going to give this a shot. Do you remember your first dip? I know I remember mine. My brother convinced my at the raw age of 16 to grab a pinch despite my objections. I remember this unsettling feelings. I knew damn well before I was a dipper that going down that road was a dead end full of problems. But as soon as I threw that dip in my mind went blank. Why? Because now nicotine controlled me. By throwing that dip in I was surrendering myself. Handing over the control...
Over the last 5 years I hardly attempted to regain that control. Why? Because I believed a series of lies that would have me do ANYTHING to please nicotine. Did nicotine honestly erase stress and the problems I was dealing with? Absolutely not. It never did. It had us doing anything in our power to feed it more and more and more. And so we did, too terrified to pull the plug. I remember visiting this site as an active addict. Joining KTC then was a heart warming thought. "It sure would be cool not to have to spend so much money on dip" I used to think. I'd think that until it was time to once again plug my mouth full of cancer in order to get my fix. Over and over again this routine played itself out.
So, let me ask you all, do you miss it? Do you miss nicotine calling the shots? Quitting might involve a lot of suck, but at least you have the balls to do it on your own.
To any current addict who may be reading this...Quit. Please. Don't let nicotine convince you that our situations are any different. Don't let nicotine convince you that "another day" or "another week" will leave you more prepared. It won't. Join the brotherhood, embrace the suck, take back your life. It's worth it. It's worth every bit of struggle.
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Thought I'd post an update, just in case anyone can benefit from my experience.
Wow.
Quitting dip is something else. Every single piece of me has been changed or effected one way or another since quitting, and I'm only on day 51. I think that most of us uncover the extent of our addictions only after we quit, and boy am I doing just that...
You see I'm 21 years old with a lot to learn. Dip was my lifeline, my go to, the one thing I needed to conquer any task. But was it? Think about it, is dip an all-powerful magic can full of dirt that is able to remove stress and problems? Does it make life more or less enjoyable? Can we drive without it? Does it make us appreciate what we have more or less? Or is it a complete hoax? A huge lie that tricks us into coming back for more and more? Depending where you are in your quit and how much of a strangle nicotine has on your brain will determine how you approach these answers.
Since I'm an addict who has since developed a level of perspective I'm going to give this a shot. Do you remember your first dip? I know I remember mine. My brother convinced my at the raw age of 16 to grab a pinch despite my objections. I remember this unsettling feelings. I knew damn well before I was a dipper that going down that road was a dead end full of problems. But as soon as I threw that dip in my mind went blank. Why? Because now nicotine controlled me. By throwing that dip in I was surrendering myself. Handing over the control...
Over the last 5 years I hardly attempted to regain that control. Why? Because I believed a series of lies that would have me do ANYTHING to please nicotine. Did nicotine honestly erase stress and the problems I was dealing with? Absolutely not. It never did. It had us doing anything in our power to feed it more and more and more. And so we did, too terrified to pull the plug. I remember visiting this site as an active addict. Joining KTC then was a heart warming thought. "It sure would be cool not to have to spend so much money on dip" I used to think. I'd think that until it was time to once again plug my mouth full of cancer in order to get my fix. Over and over again this routine played itself out.
So, let me ask you all, do you miss it? Do you miss nicotine calling the shots? Quitting might involve a lot of suck, but at least you have the balls to do it on your own.
To any current addict who may be reading this...Quit. Please. Don't let nicotine convince you that our situations are any different. Don't let nicotine convince you that "another day" or "another week" will leave you more prepared. It won't. Join the brotherhood, embrace the suck, take back your life. It's worth it. It's worth every bit of struggle.
Very nice post! HEY!!!! IF YOU ARE THINKING OF QUITTING AND SEE THIS, PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THIS GUY WROTE ABOVE HERE!! He gets what it's about!
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Today has been nothing but one big crave..I'm under a lot of stress so please keep me in your prayers. I've got a lot going on and I'm pretty nervous about the future.
Thanks.
-John
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Today has been nothing but one big crave..I'm under a lot of stress so please keep me in your prayers. I've got a lot going on and I'm pretty nervous about the future.
Thanks.
-John
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Today has been nothing but one big crave..I'm under a lot of stress so please keep me in your prayers. I've got a lot going on and I'm pretty nervous about the future.
Thanks.
-John
LifeAfter....Hang in there. I just sent you my digits in a PM. Check your Inbox. Before you call or text me, though, go slam your dick in a desk drawer. That'll give you something else to think about for a minute or two. You can (and will) keep this quit going.
Zillah.
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Today has been nothing but one big crave..I'm under a lot of stress so please keep me in your prayers. I've got a lot going on and I'm pretty nervous about the future.
Thanks.
-John
LifeAfter....Hang in there. I just sent you my digits in a PM. Check your Inbox. Before you call or text me, though, go slam your dick in a desk drawer. That'll give you something else to think about for a minute or two. You can (and will) keep this quit going.
Zillah.
John,
Do some push-ups, burpees or other physical activity until the cravings are no longer a worry because your endorphins kick in.
You can do this!
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Today has been nothing but one big crave..I'm under a lot of stress so please keep me in your prayers. I've got a lot going on and I'm pretty nervous about the future.
Thanks.
-John
As is famously said around here, A Problem + dip = 2 problems.
When you beat each crave during tough times, those are triggers that you have reprogrammed your brain on-- each is a victory added to your tally.
Life does get really damned hard at times, and it's really tough just to deal with. And, deal is what we have to do. Sometimes, that even means reaching out to others for a hand or support, just like tough craves. But the nicbitch never did help with anything in life, especially tough times, and never could. That's just a trick she used to train you to keep her around- she made you think you got comfort from her, by releiving you of the discomfort that the nicotine addiction created in the first place. Cruel trick, hard as hell to reprogram, and you are doing it crave by crave and ODAAT. Reach out to your closest bros for support in whatever you are facing.
When you have badasses like the two men posting below me in your corner, you can face whatever life throws. Doesn't mean it won't be a challenge. Hang in there!
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I am basically SOL unless some sort of miracle happens before tomorrow. I'm in a legal misunderstanding that I don't have a way out of. Can't really go into detail, just keep me in your thoughts and prayers. Pretty stressed out because I've never been in a situation like this before. I may lose my job and my scholarship at school...
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I am basically SOL unless some sort of miracle happens before tomorrow. I'm in a legal misunderstanding that I don't have a way out of. Can't really go into detail, just keep me in your thoughts and prayers. Pretty stressed out because I've never been in a situation like this before. I may lose my job and my scholarship at school...
Thoughts and prayers your way! Reach out if there is any support I can offer in any way. Proud to be sharing day 60 with you!
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As a fellow quit brother I'm pulling for you and hope things work out. I'll also say, however, if things fall by the wayside and don't necessarily work out in your favor, please PLEASE remember: 1 problem + nicotine = 2 problems.
Never Again For Any Reason. I don't care how bad it is. NAFAR.
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Lifeafter....
You posted roll today on the toughest day of your quit. Hope things went okay today. We are thinking about you.
Zillah
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Lifeafter....
You posted roll today on the toughest day of your quit. Hope things went okay today. We are thinking about you.
Zillah
Thoughts and prayers are with ya during this difficult time. Keep on quitting. We are all in your corner. No reason to cave now. It will just add to your issues. Keep a clear head and sharp mind. Don't let the Nic bitch seduce you.
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LAD - How are you doing? We got your back here!
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LAD - How are you doing? We got your back here!
John,
Come-on brother, how about an update here? We know you got something going on. Are you hanging tough on your quit? (crickets in here)
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
Let's get back on the horse LAD.
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
Let's get back on the horse LAD.
Everyone is glad you are still quit after your hiatus. It would have worked out better if you had the number of one of your brothers that have been wondering where you've been. (See below) They would have posted for you and these people that care about your quit would not have to be left "wondering" everyday how LAD is doing.
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
Let's get back on the horse LAD.
Everyone is glad you are still quit after your hiatus. It would have worked out better if you had the number of one of your brothers that have been wondering where you've been. (See below) They would have posted for you and these people that care about your quit would not have to be left "wondering" everyday how LAD is doing.
What rdad said. The bonds here at KTC are surprisingly strong; one wouldn't think so for an online support group, but there is as much support here as you'll find anywhere. We are a pillar for you when you need it; your job is to lean on it to stay quit. We will not break. Remember that.
On the other hand, I am extremely proud to see you at Day 72 and not on Day 1. I've read too many posts where people cave because "life" is too hard. Sounds like you just rode a nasty roller coaster and got off that ride still quit. That is a badass quitter; one I will quit with any day of the week.
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
Let's get back on the horse LAD.
Everyone is glad you are still quit after your hiatus. It would have worked out better if you had the number of one of your brothers that have been wondering where you've been. (See below) They would have posted for you and these people that care about your quit would not have to be left "wondering" everyday how LAD is doing.
What rdad said. The bonds here at KTC are surprisingly strong; one wouldn't think so for an online support group, but there is as much support here as you'll find anywhere. We are a pillar for you when you need it; your job is to lean on it to stay quit. We will not break. Remember that.
On the other hand, I am extremely proud to see you at Day 72 and not on Day 1. I've read too many posts where people cave because "life" is too hard. Sounds like you just rode a nasty roller coaster and got off that ride still quit. That is a badass quitter; one I will quit with any day of the week.
Okay LifeAfter...I'll take a different approach, maybe an unpopular one. But I think you're getting off easy here. You let us down. You let yourself down. You didn't return messages from various members (myself included.) You didn't post roll. You didn't attempt to text or call anyone that we know of. So how can we expect any different behavior from you when the next misunderstanding or crisis hits? I'm sure you had something major go down in your life (and I don't want to know anything about it.) But what I do want to know is what will be different now? What exactly has changed in your approach? Why don't you spell it out so we can be convinced you're here to stay.
ZC
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
Let's get back on the horse LAD.
Everyone is glad you are still quit after your hiatus. It would have worked out better if you had the number of one of your brothers that have been wondering where you've been. (See below) They would have posted for you and these people that care about your quit would not have to be left "wondering" everyday how LAD is doing.
What rdad said. The bonds here at KTC are surprisingly strong; one wouldn't think so for an online support group, but there is as much support here as you'll find anywhere. We are a pillar for you when you need it; your job is to lean on it to stay quit. We will not break. Remember that.
On the other hand, I am extremely proud to see you at Day 72 and not on Day 1. I've read too many posts where people cave because "life" is too hard. Sounds like you just rode a nasty roller coaster and got off that ride still quit. That is a badass quitter; one I will quit with any day of the week.
Okay LifeAfter...I'll take a different approach, maybe an unpopular one. But I think you're getting off easy here. You let us down. You let yourself down. You didn't return messages from various members (myself included.) You didn't post roll. You didn't attempt to text or call anyone that we know of. So how can we expect any different behavior from you when the next misunderstanding or crisis hits? I'm sure you had something major go down in your life (and I don't want to know anything about it.) But what I do want to know is what will be different now? What exactly has changed in your approach? Why don't you spell it out so we can be convinced you're here to stay.
ZC
^^^I have the same questions as ZC. No returned txt's, PM's posts in here....that's not what we agreed to. By the way,,,it was 73 today, not 72, we share a quit date. You should at least know that.
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Speaking of not returning PM's, you seriously need to return mine - note that there are only 4 set in stone rules here and you are possibly in violation of one.
Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead,
there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you....
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Speaking of not returning PM's, you seriously need to return mine - note that there are only 4 set in stone rules here and you are possibly in violation of one.Â
Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead,
there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you....
'BanDog'
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Speaking of not returning PM's, you seriously need to return mine - note that there are only 4 set in stone rules here and you are possibly in violation of one.Â
Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead,
there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you....
'BanDog'
Really, nothing? Did you blow off roll yesterday 3/20? What's it going to be LAD?
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I can't express sincere enough apologies for straying from KTC. There's really no excuse to fall off the way I did. I'm here, things were straightened out after going through a whole shit show of legal matters, an assload of stress, and just about every other wrong turn. I definitely shouldn't have approached it the way I did, roll is the core and I know what can happen when we don't honor that. I'm sorry guys. Lay into me if you'd life. Either way I'm sitting at Day 72 here. Still have a passion for hating nicotine. Just relieved I finally got my shit straightened out..Legal misunderstandings will scare the shit out of you.
^^^^Logging in, not posting roll, not responding since this post 3/19 are major red flags. I hate hearing crickets when I am listening for QUIT!!!! :angry: Are you with the program or should we be looking for a Day 1 in June? Face cancer for me or a brother/sister here is what scares the shit out of me. 'zombie'
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Addiction doesn't take breaks. Please explain to the community how the hell 30 seconds to post roll each day got in the way of you focusing on your everyday life?
It's clear your nicotine "habit" isn't serious enough that it can be placed on the backburner. You must not be an addict. As I reached my anger limit for the week on SpencerF, I'll just pose a few questions that are pretty much mandatory and have been expressed in the other posts:
1 - Did you cave?
2 - Why should we believe you aren't going to drop off again when poor little LAD gets too stressed to take 1 minute out of his day to make the promise?
You're on the cave list. Although I would love to tell you to simply fuck off and go to a different site, we have established a good system where you have to post 7 days straight to get put back on the normal roll (and answer the questions your fellow bastards pose). Of course that would require you to man up and actually start posting again which I see you aren't doing.
You'll get my sympathy when you start showing respect, Mr. Excuses.