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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: DippinDave911 on July 27, 2013, 03:43:00 AM
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Hi,
Ive been dipping since 2006, non-stop. I go through about two sleeves a week. Ive tried quitting on a couple of occasions, but always end with the "worst five minutes of my life."
Im actually sitting here reading all these terrible stories of people that didnt quit and what happened to them, while im dipping and it scares me. Of course ive heard the stories; everyone has, but i guess its one of those things you dont believe until its to late.
I found this site after searching google for "how to quit chewing tobacco," and after reading through a ton of posts ive decided to give quitting another chance. My biggest problem before was not having...no, not wanting... to burden family and friends with supporting me.
I just bought two more cans after work (i work second, 3-11pm). Ive only been home a few hours and one can is just about cleaned out. Just last week I told everyone "this is my last can" but after a long hot week in a factory all i wanted was a cold beer and a pinch.
I read on one post to not drink excessively while trying...while quitting, but that pretty much sums up my saturday nights. Its going to be even worse trying to quit two things. I usually use a pinch to cut myself off from the bottle...
Sorry this is so long, just realized im ranting. I want to quit more than anything, but then there is this voice, or this feeling in the back of my head telling me I dont want to quit. I can tell myself 100 times over that ive got to quit, but i just cant find the strength or the willpower to actually take that first step.
If you've read this far, thank you for listening. Im half asleep at the moment and come morning...later... I know im going to wake up and reach for my can. hopefully I will remember to check here before I do. Goodnight...
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Hi,
Ive been dipping since 2006, non-stop. I go through about two sleeves a week. Ive tried quitting on a couple of occasions, but always end with the "worst five minutes of my life."
Im actually sitting here reading all these terrible stories of people that didnt quit and what happened to them, while im dipping and it scares me. Of course ive heard the stories; everyone has, but i guess its one of those things you dont believe until its to late.
I found this site after searching google for "how to quit chewing tobacco," and after reading through a ton of posts ive decided to give quitting another chance. My biggest problem before was not having...no, not wanting... to burden family and friends with supporting me.
I just bought two more cans after work (i work second, 3-11pm). Ive only been home a few hours and one can is just about cleaned out. Just last week I told everyone "this is my last can" but after a long hot week in a factory all i wanted was a cold beer and a pinch.
I read on one post to not drink excessively while trying...while quitting, but that pretty much sums up my saturday nights. Its going to be even worse trying to quit two things. I usually use a pinch to cut myself off from the bottle...
Sorry this is so long, just realized im ranting. I want to quit more than anything, but then there is this voice, or this feeling in the back of my head telling me I dont want to quit. I can tell myself 100 times over that ive got to quit, but i just cant find the strength or the willpower to actually take that first step.
If you've read this far, thank you for listening. Im half asleep at the moment and come morning...later... I know im going to wake up and reach for my can. hopefully I will remember to check here before I do. Goodnight...
We make a promise here everyday to not injest nicotine in any form. We don't lally gag around or give it a try. If and when you're ready, we'll be here but please don't sully these halls with poison in your lip. Don't miss the Welcome center (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13) up yonder. Your quit group is November, '13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8568). This is where you post your promise along side the folks you hit 100 days with. Shout if you have any questions.
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I'm just like you but I set in front of my computer with a foggy head, a nasty headache and a pissy attitude because my body feels like it's dying because I have not had a dip in 6 days.
Throw the crap away and get back on here and post "Day 1". It is going to be a nasty ride but you can do it. Hope to see you later today. Tomorrow may be too late.
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Dippin dave, you've come to the right place to find out information on how to quit and why. Read, read read. Go to the top left, welcome center, lot of information up there.
If you don't mind I would like to talk to your master a few minutes. Me and it don't like each other right now and I have a few things to say.
POISON I hate you. I hated you all day yesterday and now I woke up, posted roll and hate you just the same. I hope my poor friend dave sees you for what you really are before it's to late. I hope he sees that all you do is take. For years you have been taking his freedom, while stripping him of his integrity and dignity. I hope he figures out that he's believing one big lie. I hope he figures out that it is possible to live a happy and free life without a can of poisson dictating when he must have a fix. I hope he figures out that it's you telling him that he can't quit until he finishes the next can. I hope he figures out that the word try and quit doesn't belong together.
Quitting is up to you dave, you just have to man up and do it. It's your decision, you just don't know it. You just can't see that freedom is right around the corner. You can't see that life is so much better without being lead around by a can of poison. Post roll and take you life back!!!
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You don't want it bad enough. I can tell just by reading.
You want to go to heaven without dying first. That won't work.
God forbid you lay off beer for awhile, I mean that's ridiculous.
You're too big a pussy to dump the full can in your house. You know you're gonna suck that shit down like whoor does a cock. I like your line, "hopefully I will remember to come here first before I do". Shows your balls are about the size of grape nuts.
Thanks for dropping by though. It was fun to read your late night half serious story about wanting to quit.
Come back sometime when you're actually serious and not just tired and feeling a little guilty.
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Listen up...you are going to die. That is a fact. Everyone does...but whether or not you die at a young age with half a jaw and on a morphine drip is up to you. Diesel and i hardly ever mix very well, but i have to agree with him. You don't sound like you want it very bad.
As far as the beer goes....there probably aren't a lot of ol boys on this site that like their beer more than i do...but if you are too big of a pussy to not shut yourself off without a dip (that makes very little sense to me anyhow) then you are way to big of a puss to put down the can. I find it very hard to believe that dip actually slows your drinking down if your honest with yourself. Not to ruminate on my dipping days or anyone else's but if you chew as much as you say you do i'm sure a big ol cat turd in your lip doesn't slow you down. Never did me and i'm sure not anyone else on here that partakes in the beers.
This is a quit CHEW site, not a quit drinking beer site. If you don't think you can handle not dipping when you drink then you need to lay off of the beer for awhile. If you have to have the booze then take a tall class of sipping whiskey and drink it slow and put a fucking fireball in your mouth while you drink and forget it.
If you really want to quit, you found the right spot. If you want to fuck around on this site with a dip in your mouth you need to get gone in a hurry.
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Dave,
You'll either decide to quit, or you won't. Nodody gets free of the Nic Bitch without a fight. You CAN do it. But your post sounds like you're not up for the fight...yet. Come back when you are. In the meantime, search tongue and jaw cancer, feeding tubes, etc.
We WANT you to post roll with us. We WANT you to be quit. I'm pumped that you found this site. Click on the "Welcome Center" link above and start reading. Come back when you're good and pissed off at the product that WILL disfigure and kill you. Come back when you're ready to save yourself.
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DippinDave,
Until I see your name on November Roll, I will have to side with Diesel. I'll give a little slack since you said that you work 2nd shift and may still be in bed. However, posting roll is the first thing you do when you roll out of bed. The strongest words in your intro describe how much you buy and use (even dipping while typing your intro? I find that highly offensive). Weak words when it comes to desire to fight to remain quit.
So you don't need to look elsewhere:
Click here -- Roll Call, Why we do it (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120)
Click here -- How to Post Roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
Click here -- Your Quit Group (November 2013) (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8568)
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
We're not trying to belittle you but you need to understand... We hear this all the time. "Try" "hope" "luck"... Blah, blah, blah. It means weakness. Ask yourself this... Are you ready to be an actual man and quit being a slave to a tin full of poisonous weed? If you're ready... You just do it. Don't try, don't hope... Just quit. Stop letting a plant tell you what to think and how to act. I mean... Doesn't that sound ridiculous? We're all doing this and winning everyday... Come join us.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Good job. Remember, one day at a time. You've posted roll and made your promise to yourself, your group, and everyone else on KTC to remain NIC-Free for the remainder of the day. Keep your word. Reach out via PM or jump into Live Chat when craves come or you need to vent. Repeat tomorrow.
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I cant access chat from my phone so I hope this is in the right place but im getting ready to go fishing and really craving a quick pinch. Any suggestions? Maybe I can pack some nightcrawler dirt in my lip? 'bang head'
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I cant access chat from my phone so I hope this is in the right place but im getting ready to go fishing and really craving a quick pinch. Any suggestions? Maybe I can pack some nightcrawler dirt in my lip? 'bang head'
Anything except nicotine and tobacco are fine alternatives. Chew on a coffee stir, toothpick, hard candy, etc.
Oh, search the Apple store or Google Play for "123FlashChat". That's the app that's needed to acces Live Chat from your smartphone.
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Thank you evil... how do I get an id?
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Thank you evil... how do I get an id?
click on the link upper right - LIVE CHAT
then register using the same name you have in ktc but you will need to use a different password
then chat away
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I cant access chat from my phone so I hope this is in the right place but im getting ready to go fishing and really craving a quick pinch. Any suggestions? Maybe I can pack some nightcrawler dirt in my lip? 'bang head'
Anything except nicotine and tobacco are fine alternatives. Chew on a coffee stir, toothpick, hard candy, etc.
Oh, search the Apple store or Google Play for "123FlashChat". That's the app that's needed to acces Live Chat from your smartphone.
Suck on 3 atomic fire balls....
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I cant access chat from my phone so I hope this is in the right place but im getting ready to go fishing and really craving a quick pinch. Any suggestions? Maybe I can pack some nightcrawler dirt in my lip? 'bang head'
Anything except nicotine and tobacco are fine alternatives. Chew on a coffee stir, toothpick, hard candy, etc.
Oh, search the Apple store or Google Play for "123FlashChat". That's the app that's needed to acces Live Chat from your smartphone.
Suck on 3 atomic fire balls....
Craves are going to be part of your life for a while. Seeds, fake, fireballs, anything it takes to keep the real stuff out. One day at a time. One fishing trip at a time. One wake up at a time. Each trigger you beat down will Get easier and easier. It will suck until it don't and then it won't. Glad to be quit with you.
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I understand roll call but do I post everyday like a journal? Can I just write it in this thread or start a new thread everytime?
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I understand roll call but do I post everyday like a journal? Can I just write it in this thread or start a new thread everytime?
We post roll everyday. We quit one day at a time. First thing everyday we post roll. It is the backbone of your quit. When you post roll your making a promise to yourself and all of us your not going to use for the day. You can keep your word for a day right?
I Would encourage you to read about posting roll in the welcome center. Top left. Learn how and why. Pay particular attention to why. Quit with you.
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I understand roll call but do I post everyday like a journal? Can I just write it in this thread or start a new thread everytime?
I see you posted roll. Fantastic. THis thread is to track your quit. You can and should update it like a journal. The more you post, the more feedback you will get to let you know if you start to waiver off track. Don't start a new one, it is frowned upon. This is your quit so far, and it will keep being a log of quit for you.
You are kicking quit ass, glad to be quit with you.
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Dippindave cheering for you man! I was in your shoes 55 days ago make it through this and you will not regret it, the first week is rough do whatever it takes to stay nic free
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
That's how we do it my friend,welcome aboard !
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
I certainly hope at this point that there is not a can to touch! If there is, burn the bridge and the pilings by dumping all of your cans in the toilet and flush that crap away. Do not throw it in a dumpster, you will be diving back in for it in a matter of hours. Once it is gone it will be better. We are here to support you and help you in any way necessary but you must do the hard part. Flush it, all of it, and no more addict speak like hope or wish. Shoot me a pm if you need anything
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
I certainly hope at this point that there is not a can to touch! If there is, burn the bridge and the pilings by dumping all of your cans in the toilet and flush that crap away. Do not throw it in a dumpster, you will be diving back in for it in a matter of hours. Once it is gone it will be better. We are here to support you and help you in any way necessary but you must do the hard part. Flush it, all of it, and no more addict speak like hope or wish. Shoot me a pm if you need anything
Can - toilet bowl. Do it.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
I certainly hope at this point that there is not a can to touch! If there is, burn the bridge and the pilings by dumping all of your cans in the toilet and flush that crap away. Do not throw it in a dumpster, you will be diving back in for it in a matter of hours. Once it is gone it will be better. We are here to support you and help you in any way necessary but you must do the hard part. Flush it, all of it, and no more addict speak like hope or wish. Shoot me a pm if you need anything
Can - toilet bowl. Do it.
x2!!
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Nice job Dave. It's only a day.
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I gotta say I never thought i would make it this long (almost 24 hours) without a pinch. Hell, just the thought of telling all this to a bunch of strangers made me laugh. I havent found the strength to dump my six bucks down the toilet, but at the same time i havent even tried to grab a pinch. i drank tonight, two six packs. I even went to the store for the second six pack and did not buy any tobacco. Hell, thats an improvement for me. Its getting late now and im telling myself that one pinch isnt going to hurt. It's better than the two tins ive normally gone through by this time. The craving is there, in the back of my head, but im somehow ignoring it. I really cannot fathom how; ive never stayed quit for this long before, especially with it in the house. (ya go ahead and yell at me for not being a man and throwing it out) anyone who cares, (sorry, i know you all care) i got in a huge fight with my gf of 4 years tonight, while i was drinking, and as much as i wanted a lip more than anything, i stayed the eff away. few more hours i will have survived my first 24 hours, and i cannot wait for that milestone, which is HUGE for me. thanks everyone for the ongoing support, i still cant believe i found this online. one more thing to do... 'flush'
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I gotta say I never thought i would make it this long (almost 24 hours) without a pinch. Hell, just the thought of telling all this to a bunch of strangers made me laugh. I havent found the strength to dump my six bucks down the toilet, but at the same time i havent even tried to grab a pinch. i drank tonight, two six packs. I even went to the store for the second six pack and did not buy any tobacco. Hell, thats an improvement for me. Its getting late now and im telling myself that one pinch isnt going to hurt. It's better than the two tins ive normally gone through by this time. The craving is there, in the back of my head, but im somehow ignoring it. I really cannot fathom how; ive never stayed quit for this long before, especially with it in the house. (ya go ahead and yell at me for not being a man and throwing it out) anyone who cares, (sorry, i know you all care) i got in a huge fight with my gf of 4 years tonight, while i was drinking, and as much as i wanted a lip more than anything, i stayed the eff away. few more hours i will have survived my first 24 hours, and i cannot wait for that milestone, which is HUGE for me. thanks everyone for the ongoing support, i still cant believe i found this online. one more thing to do... 'flush'
Find some strength weakling. Give me ONE good reason to have that full can around. If its the $6 I will mail you a 5 spot and a single. Just give me your address.
Also, you laugh at "telling this to a bunch of strangers".
Newsflash. You're a stranger too and nobody here is laughing at you, we are cheering for you.
We are not some weird cult (except maybe for Lucios D) of rah rah homos or something, dude.
We are normal everyday people taking our lives back from nicotine addiction, and we want to see you do the same.
I have this odd feeling that you are not taking us serious, like we aren't real or something.
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I gotta say I never thought i would make it this long (almost 24 hours) without a pinch. Hell, just the thought of telling all this to a bunch of strangers made me laugh. I havent found the strength to dump my six bucks down the toilet, but at the same time i havent even tried to grab a pinch. i drank tonight, two six packs. I even went to the store for the second six pack and did not buy any tobacco. Hell, thats an improvement for me. Its getting late now and im telling myself that one pinch isnt going to hurt. It's better than the two tins ive normally gone through by this time. The craving is there, in the back of my head, but im somehow ignoring it. I really cannot fathom how; ive never stayed quit for this long before, especially with it in the house. (ya go ahead and yell at me for not being a man and throwing it out) anyone who cares, (sorry, i know you all care) i got in a huge fight with my gf of 4 years tonight, while i was drinking, and as much as i wanted a lip more than anything, i stayed the eff away. few more hours i will have survived my first 24 hours, and i cannot wait for that milestone, which is HUGE for me. thanks everyone for the ongoing support, i still cant believe i found this online. one more thing to do... 'flush'
Find some strength weakling. Give me ONE good reason to have that full can around. If its the $6 I will mail you a 5 spot and a single. Just give me your address.
Also, you laugh at "telling this to a bunch of strangers".
Newsflash. You're a stranger too and nobody here is laughing at you, we are cheering for you.
We are not some weird cult (except maybe for Lucios D) of rah rah homos or something, dude.
We are normal everyday people taking our lives back from nicotine addiction, and we want to see you do the same.
I have this odd feeling that you are not taking us serious, like we aren't real or something.
DD.......here is the deal....i actually think you have a badass quitter in you...i cant tell....you are teasing me....just man up..72 hours.......thats it.....you get me? step up....STEP UP.....YOU ARE THE VOICE......#letsdothis
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headed to bed. quick thanks to: lcwb96, jbradley and mjollnir for helping me dump my cans. felt great (felt shitty deep down) and now i dont have to keeping seeing them sitting there taunting me to come have a pinch. I am quit.
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headed to bed. quick thanks to: lcwb96, jbradley and mjollnir for helping me dump my cans. felt great (felt shitty deep down) and now i dont have to keeping seeing them sitting there taunting me to come have a pinch. I am quit.
This is solid progress. Now don't run out an buy another can when the next crave hits. Reach out before you do someting dumb.
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i just ordered some Bacc Off to help when im craving
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i just ordered some Bacc Off to help when im craving
Great job in posting roll today. What is your plan while waiting for the order to arrive? Go get some seeds, gum, candy, jerky, whatever you need to fight off the craves in the mean time. I mean whatever. Anything but nicotine. Nice job dumping your cans yesterday. Today will be no cakewalk, but you can do it. You did it yesterday. Stay on this quit today.
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i just ordered some Bacc Off to help when im craving
Yesterday was something I see. congrats on making it the day. I got good news and bad news.
Good news,, It don't get no worse then yesterday!
Bad news,, Probably going to be a lot of the same!
Brother, the first 72 are not easy,, they are ALMOST unbearable. After that it's all mental. Now you notice I put almost in caps. I did that because 1000's have went through this and so can you. Your no different then me, diesel, cleanfuel and everyone else that has hit your intro. We are all quitters and had to go through the same things you are and will go through.
I, personally am so glad I went through it. I love my new life. I will gladly speak for each of these guys and say that if you asked they would say the same.
Every time those craves hit today ask yourself. Am I worth It??
Your answer, I hope is yes, I am worth it! Your worth the craves, your worth the insomnia, your worth the brain games.
I make one promise! Everything gets so much better and in time you will kick yourself right in the ass for ever saying yes to this poison. Quit with you. Check your inbox.
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headed to bed. quick thanks to: lcwb96, jbradley and mjollnir for helping me dump my cans. felt great (felt shitty deep down) and now i dont have to keeping seeing them sitting there taunting me to come have a pinch. I am quit.
This is solid progress. Now don't run out an buy another can when the next crave hits. Reach out before you do someting dumb.
Nice job Dave. While you wait on your order try a QT store or a Walmart. Both of my local stores carry Smokey Mountain. I loaded up on them and they are not that bad. I probably have 3 per day which seems to get me through ok. Beef Jerky works even better for me but damn, it cost more than dipping...lol...
Be careful on the drinking at first. You know it lowers your inhibitions and we don't want to see you become pregnant or something worse....
Today is day 7 for me and I only thought about dipping 3,426 times yesterday so it is getting easier.
Hang tough.
Greg
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so far today is going surprisingly well. didnt have any cravings all morning till i logged on KTC. oh the irony. anyway found a pouch of redman golden blend today. accidently dropped it out the window on the road today. oops. ;)
well time to go fishing. ill try out walmart for the smokey mountain. only reason i didnt order that one was the price, although i would love to have something long cut. that oregon mint i tried a year ago made me never want to quit again. ive heard bacc off is pretty fine cut, but its just for when i get those terrible cravings.
thank you everyone for your continuing support. im quit
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so far today is going surprisingly well. didnt have any cravings all morning till i logged on KTC. oh the irony. anyway found a pouch of redman golden blend today. accidently dropped it out the window on the road today. oops. ;)
well time to go fishing. ill try out walmart for the smokey mountain. only reason i didnt order that one was the price, although i would love to have something long cut. that oregon mint i tried a year ago made me never want to quit again. ive heard bacc off is pretty fine cut, but its just for when i get those terrible cravings.
thank you everyone for your continuing support. im quit
I use smokey mountain mint myself. It really helps me when craves get bad. Use whatever you need to use to stay quit. Eventually your use of fake stuff will decline as well. I will quit with you anyday bro.
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had a surprisingly easy going day. went to a party where poison users were present and wasnt the least bit tempted to bum a pinch. back to work tomoro, so lets see how my body handles that stress again. had a good weekend all in all though. thank you to my supporters. stayin quitted. :huh:
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
you are experiencing what we like to call the fog or the suck...it sucks and you are foggy! Just take it one 1/2 hour at a time...drink a lot of water chew a lot of gum etc. You'll get through it fine.
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
FOG ALERT! Remember this, you don't ever want to experience it again. Quit on brother. You got this.
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
Stay strong today bro. U said you don't feel like doing anything. Well, I want u to focus your efforts on one thing today. That is staying quit! You are foggy, tired, and feeling like garbage. Your number 1 priority for today is staying clean. If you do that one thing i promise your day will be a success. U can do it. I know you can. Hold the ground you have fought for already!
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
Stay strong today bro. U said you don't feel like doing anything. Well, I want u to focus your efforts on one thing today. That is staying quit! You are foggy, tired, and feeling like garbage. Your number 1 priority for today is staying clean. If you do that one thing i promise your day will be a success. U can do it. I know you can. Hold the ground you have fought for already!
embrace the suck. the poison is leaving your system. remember this how awful you are feeling....NAFAR never again for any reason. drink lots of water cranberry juice...push through and dont give an inch of ground you clawed for.
PM me if you need anything
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
Stay strong today bro. U said you don't feel like doing anything. Well, I want u to focus your efforts on one thing today. That is staying quit! You are foggy, tired, and feeling like garbage. Your number 1 priority for today is staying clean. If you do that one thing i promise your day will be a success. U can do it. I know you can. Hold the ground you have fought for already!
embrace the suck. the poison is leaving your system. remember this how awful you are feeling....NAFAR never again for any reason. drink lots of water cranberry juice...push through and dont give an inch of ground you clawed for.
PM me if you need anything
This is you earning your freedom... Dig it.
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
Stay strong today bro. U said you don't feel like doing anything. Well, I want u to focus your efforts on one thing today. That is staying quit! You are foggy, tired, and feeling like garbage. Your number 1 priority for today is staying clean. If you do that one thing i promise your day will be a success. U can do it. I know you can. Hold the ground you have fought for already!
embrace the suck. the poison is leaving your system. remember this how awful you are feeling....NAFAR never again for any reason. drink lots of water cranberry juice...push through and dont give an inch of ground you clawed for.
PM me if you need anything
This is you earning your freedom... Dig it.
I was useless for the entire first month.
It sounds like everything is going as it should. Keep fighting. It gets better.
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slept like crap last night. woke up ever couple hours sweating like crazy. extremely tired today. cant get motivated to do anything. thankfully work starts in three hours so ill have something to do. feel like im awake in a dream. everything is fuzzy around the edges... no real cravings so far. i dont think ive woken up enough to want some. ODAAT.
Stay strong today bro. U said you don't feel like doing anything. Well, I want u to focus your efforts on one thing today. That is staying quit! You are foggy, tired, and feeling like garbage. Your number 1 priority for today is staying clean. If you do that one thing i promise your day will be a success. U can do it. I know you can. Hold the ground you have fought for already!
embrace the suck. the poison is leaving your system. remember this how awful you are feeling....NAFAR never again for any reason. drink lots of water cranberry juice...push through and dont give an inch of ground you clawed for.
PM me if you need anything
This is you earning your freedom... Dig it.
I was useless for the entire first month.
It sounds like everything is going as it should. Keep fighting. It gets better.
She knows your are serious and boy is she pissed. Keep pissing her off and victory is yours.
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i just ordered some Bacc Off to help when im craving
Yesterday was something I see. congrats on making it the day. I got good news and bad news.
Good news,, It don't get no worse then yesterday!
Bad news,, Probably going to be a lot of the same!
Brother, the first 72 are not easy,, they are ALMOST unbearable. After that it's all mental. Now you notice I put almost in caps. I did that because 1000's have went through this and so can you. Your no different then me, diesel, cleanfuel and everyone else that has hit your intro. We are all quitters and had to go through the same things you are and will go through.
I, personally am so glad I went through it. I love my new life. I will gladly speak for each of these guys and say that if you asked they would say the same.
Every time those craves hit today ask yourself. Am I worth It??
Your answer, I hope is yes, I am worth it! Your worth the craves, your worth the insomnia, your worth the brain games.
I make one promise! Everything gets so much better and in time you will kick yourself right in the ass for ever saying yes to this poison. Quit with you. Check your inbox.
Dave - srans is right on. Get ready for this shit and embrace it. It is something you WANT to remember. Because if you do, you won't want to go through this shit again. This is the suck. This is the fog. Some folks pull right through. I'm not going to bull shit you - mine took 30+ days.
But guys like srans and worktowin helped me pull through. We have all walked right down the path your on. Keep going - it only gets better.
In the mean time, remember - the fog is just a kick in the balls. It sucks for a while, but then it goes away.
And when it goes away - YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER. It is worth it. I'm right here with you - just like all these other quitters who have pulled for you over the past two days.
Embrace the suck like your life depends on it. Because it does.
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Dave - srans is right on. Get ready for this shit and embrace it. It is something you WANT to remember. Because if you do, you won't want to go through this shit again. This is the suck. This is the fog. Some folks pull right through. I'm not going to bull shit you - mine took 30+ days.
But guys like srans and worktowin helped me pull through. We have all walked right down the path your on. Keep going - it only gets better.
In the mean time, remember - the fog is just a kick in the balls. It sucks for a while, but then it goes away.
And when it goes away - YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER. It is worth it. I'm right here with you - just like all these other quitters who have pulled for you over the past two days.
Embrace the suck like your life depends on it. Because it does.
-- Sorry for the post fup. I must be feeling your fog!!!
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Dave - srans is right on. Get ready for this shit and embrace it. It is something you WANT to remember. Because if you do, you won't want to go through this shit again. This is the suck. This is the fog. Some folks pull right through. I'm not going to bull shit you - mine took 30+ days.
But guys like srans and worktowin helped me pull through. We have all walked right down the path your on. Keep going - it only gets better.
In the mean time, remember - the fog is just a kick in the balls. It sucks for a while, but then it goes away.
And when it goes away - YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER. It is worth it. I'm right here with you - just like all these other quitters who have pulled for you over the past two days.
Embrace the suck like your life depends on it. Because it does.
-- Sorry for the post fup. I must be feeling your fog!!!
Jayhawk is right. You want to remember how god awful this is right now. Because you have the power to never relive this part of your life. Just like your choices brought this on, your choices will make it go away. That fog is one long kick in the balls. Make sure you make this round count so you don't get kicked a second time.
I wish I had some inspirational words if a cure - but no words come to mind. Drink a lot of water. Exercise. Sleep. Exercise more. Try to keep yourself worn out. It will pass. When? Who knows. What I can tell you is... When the fog lifts everything looks different. Jayhawk and I had a pretty long case of the fog. Can you tell we are both pissed at what it did to us? And what WE allowed into our lives?
Get angry at what is being taken from you right now. And rejoice in the fact that you are doing the best thing for yourself imaginable. You are rescuing your health, taking back your freedom, and the pride you are going to feel as a result of overcoming this - man, it is worth the price of getting kicked in the balls. Tell everyone you meet - I'm kicking nicotine to the curb! This feeling you have right now... It does get better. Read jayhawks intro - and you can see the fog lifting. Stay the course!
You need anything, reach out. You will do this.
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Dave - srans is right on. Get ready for this shit and embrace it. It is something you WANT to remember. Because if you do, you won't want to go through this shit again. This is the suck. This is the fog. Some folks pull right through. I'm not going to bull shit you - mine took 30+ days.
But guys like srans and worktowin helped me pull through. We have all walked right down the path your on. Keep going - it only gets better.
In the mean time, remember - the fog is just a kick in the balls. It sucks for a while, but then it goes away.
And when it goes away - YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER. It is worth it. I'm right here with you - just like all these other quitters who have pulled for you over the past two days.
Embrace the suck like your life depends on it. Because it does.
-- Sorry for the post fup. I must be feeling your fog!!!
Jayhawk is right. You want to remember how god awful this is right now. Because you have the power to never relive this part of your life. Just like your choices brought this on, your choices will make it go away. That fog is one long kick in the balls. Make sure you make this round count so you don't get kicked a second time.
I wish I had some inspirational words if a cure - but no words come to mind. Drink a lot of water. Exercise. Sleep. Exercise more. Try to keep yourself worn out. It will pass. When? Who knows. What I can tell you is... When the fog lifts everything looks different. Jayhawk and I had a pretty long case of the fog. Can you tell we are both pissed at what it did to us? And what WE allowed into our lives?
Get angry at what is being taken from you right now. And rejoice in the fact that you are doing the best thing for yourself imaginable. You are rescuing your health, taking back your freedom, and the pride you are going to feel as a result of overcoming this - man, it is worth the price of getting kicked in the balls. Tell everyone you meet - I'm kicking nicotine to the curb! This feeling you have right now... It does get better. Read jayhawks intro - and you can see the fog lifting. Stay the course!
You need anything, reach out. You will do this.
Everything these two wrote is dead on. I even like that jay put dave at the beginning. Dippen Dave doesn't exist. I'm seeing dave handle business. Dave likes freedom. Dippendave likes slavery. Dave is taking back his life and no longer spending his hard earned money on a filthy addictive poison that takes until there is nothing left to take.
Sleep is highly overrated anyways. The more your awake the more you can enjoy freedom. I'll quit with this guy dave anyday.
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still sleeping like shit. fog seems to have lifted a tiny bit. not nearly as exhausted today. thankfully. stocked on up seeds till my bacc off gets here. helped a new member find the path to salvation today. felt good, as i can count myself responsible for more than a few new dippers as well. im quitting with you WildRiver.
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still sleeping like shit. fog seems to have lifted a tiny bit. not nearly as exhausted today. thankfully. stocked on up seeds till my bacc off gets here. helped a new member find the path to salvation today. felt good, as i can count myself responsible for more than a few new dippers as well. im quitting with you WildRiver.
I'm glad to see you are holding strong. My craves are still close to 100% of the time but a lot weaker than they were..
My fog has lifted the past 3 or 4 days and I feel pretty good. I am suing the fake stuff less and less, yesterday I had 1 fake dip and no beef jerky. I was eating around two large bags of jerky per day for the first 4 days.
I'm calling all this progress, sure it's slow progress but I will take it just the same.
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still sleeping like shit. fog seems to have lifted a tiny bit. not nearly as exhausted today. thankfully. stocked on up seeds till my bacc off gets here. helped a new member find the path to salvation today. felt good, as i can count myself responsible for more than a few new dippers as well. im quitting with you WildRiver.
I'm glad to see you are holding strong. My craves are still close to 100% of the time but a lot weaker than they were..
My fog has lifted the past 3 or 4 days and I feel pretty good. I am suing the fake stuff less and less, yesterday I had 1 fake dip and no beef jerky. I was eating around two large bags of jerky per day for the first 4 days.
I'm calling all this progress, sure it's slow progress but I will take it just the same.
Both you you are kicking ass.. Progress is progress... No matter how slow you want to keep going forward. Great job helping each other.. remember this crap comes and goes for quite sometime at the beginning. Keep your Guard up..I am glad to be quitting with you both today..
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just realized that my lip is twitching. was doing it yesterday too but i didnt pick up on it. the spot i used to always put my dip in is moving around. like in The Mummy when the scarabs crawl around under their skin. thats what it feels like but localized to that one spot in my lip...
wiiiierd... 'Crazy'
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just realized that my lip is twitching. was doing it yesterday too but i didnt pick up on it. the spot i used to always put my dip in is moving around. like in The Mummy when the scarabs crawl around under their skin. thats what it feels like but localized to that one spot in my lip...
wiiiierd... 'Crazy'
mine has done that too. I also had a sore on the right side of my upper lip. It healed. Now I have a sore on the left side of my upper lip. I hardly dipped up there. I know it doesn't matter. Simply and example of how messed up this crap is and how our bodies are all screwed up. NIC IS NASTY SHIT
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just realized that my lip is twitching. was doing it yesterday too but i didnt pick up on it. the spot i used to always put my dip in is moving around. like in The Mummy when the scarabs crawl around under their skin. thats what it feels like but localized to that one spot in my lip...
wiiiierd... 'Crazy'
mine has done that too. I also had a sore on the right side of my upper lip. It healed. Now I have a sore on the left side of my upper lip. I hardly dipped up there. I know it doesn't matter. Simply and example of how messed up this crap is and how our bodies are all screwed up. NIC IS NASTY SHIT
I would say it is normal. Mine still does it every once in awhile and i'm 84 days in. Quit on sir.
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actually feeling tired tonight. maybe ill get some sleep. doubt it. cravings are getting more intense. i actually spent a solid minute searching for my tin today. got pissed and thought my gf hid it on me. then i remembered its been five days tobacco free. ha.
Five days free of the bitch.
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actually feeling tired tonight. maybe ill get some sleep. doubt it. cravings are getting more intense. i actually spent a solid minute searching for my tin today. got pissed and thought my gf hid it on me. then i remembered its been five days tobacco free. ha.
Five days free of the bitch.
Your doing great dave. I can make you two promises today. May not be the best two promises you've ever had, but then again,, your quitting one of the most addictive drugs known to man. You screwed your brain for years and you finally decided to stop, so a few promises of better days ahead is all I have.
While the brain is healing and getting the oxygen you have been neglecting it for years it doesn't rest well.
1str promise,, everything will get better.
2nd promise,, your sleep will return. Sleep when you can, don't if you can't. Take you some naps if your able. It is rough going at first my friend, but it is so worth it.
Your sleep will return in time and then you will want to sleep more often. I went through a period where I wanted to sleep to much.
You have much better days ahead. Stay the course. Keep your head on a swivel, but don't look back. Nothing back there but slavery. I'm quit with you today.
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actually feeling tired tonight. maybe ill get some sleep. doubt it. cravings are getting more intense. i actually spent a solid minute searching for my tin today. got pissed and thought my gf hid it on me. then i remembered its been five days tobacco free. ha.
Five days free of the bitch.
Day 10 for me buddy and yesterday was likely my hardest day yet. I dipped a lot of fake stuff which pissed me off because I have only been needing 1 or 2 of those per day.
My sleep is also weird, strange dreams, waking up 3 hours early and feeling fresh only to badly crash a couple of hours later and inability to stay up until my normal bedtime.
The only time I feel great is on a bike or just dead tired after riding too hard for too long. My recovery days off the bike are my bad days off dip. I may just forgo my recovery days for awhile and rag out my body.
Hang in there!
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Dave and Paradigmdawg - you guys are right smack dab in the battle for this. You guys are experiencing exactly what many of us have walked through.
Listen up. Follow us. Do whatever you have to do, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day to stay quit.
Post your roll. It is really important right now that you do that. Give us your word and do what you have to.
Being a little tired is a tiny price to pay for your health and your life. Do it.
Trust me on this... life gets better. Your sleep patterns return. The physical craves go away. You guys just need to keep fighting this good fight because once you get through this and on the other side......... man life is good.
Keep chopin' wood brothers.
We are right here with you.
- Jayhawk
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Dave and Paradigmdawg - you guys are right smack dab in the battle for this. You guys are experiencing exactly what many of us have walked through.
Listen up. Follow us. Do whatever you have to do, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day to stay quit.
Post your roll. It is really important right now that you do that. Give us your word and do what you have to.
Being a little tired is a tiny price to pay for your health and your life. Do it.
Trust me on this... life gets better. Your sleep patterns return. The physical craves go away. You guys just need to keep fighting this good fight because once you get through this and on the other side......... man life is good.
Keep chopin' wood brothers.
We are right here with you.
- Jayhawk
Good advice from ^^. Paradgmdawg, Don't worry about your fake intake. Its crazy what an addict will worry about while in the first stages of quit. Just worry about keeping the poison out. I took fake until I got in the 40's, trashed it and never looked back. The fake is the least of your concerns right now. Staying quit one day at a time is high priority.
Jayhawk is right,, ya'll are in the thick of it. Where you guys are will last a minute or two. Believe it or not, your brains are rejoicing. Finally the healing that it's wanted to do for years.
You are making your way to a door that is hard to get to and hard to open. You will like what's on the other side. Keep pushing through. Glad to be quit with both you guys.
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Dave,
Last night in Chat got scary. Where are you today?
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Dave,
Last night in Chat got scary. Where are you today?
Been texting him all day. Nada. Hmm...
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Dave,
Last night in Chat got scary. Where are you today?
Been texting him all day. Nada. Hmm...
he is humping a can
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Where to begin?
Last night (July 31, 2013) was a complete fucking disaster. I fucked up.
With this chew I enslave myself
to a lifetime of addiction.
While I canÂ’t promise to always love you,
I do promise to obey every craving and
support my addiction to you
no matter how expensive you become.
I will let no husband or wife,
no family member or friend,
no doctor or any other health professional,
no employer or government policy,
no stench, no sore tongue or gums,
no cancer or heart attack or stroke,
no threat of loss of life or limbs,
come between us.
I will chew you forever
from this day forth,
for better or worse,
whether richer or poorer,
in sickness and in health,
till death do us part!
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: __DippinDave911___
Date: ___07/31/2013____
I had a rough night. I convinced myself that I would quit quitting. I regret not having this in my wallet. This isnt about regrets though.
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I was exhausted. The bitch came to me in my delusional thoughts. She begged me to come back to her. She promised she could make everything better. She could put everything back where it goes. All I had to do was dip one more time. One dip, and I could have my life back. Im weak. I let her in. Im a pussy. I couldnt say no to her.
I bought a can. I knew it was wrong, but I wanted it. She wanted it. And I made it so. I brought the can home. I set the can beside me and loaded up live chat. I needed help. I wanted help. But it was already to late. My Her mind was already made up. She broke me. I would cave. She would humiliate me in front of my brothers and sisters. She used me. Like she has for the past 7 years. She told my brothers and sisters what they wanted to hear. Tell them off. Appease them. She had already won.
I lied to you all. I lied on top of lies. I knew I was going to dip. I sat reading while you all thought I was flushing my poison. One of you saw through the ruse, but others still talked you out of the idea. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, LIES! I LIED TO YOU ALL!
I left chat. I stuck around the site a little longer. I looked at everything. Cancer pictures. Read stories of life and of death. Tried imagining myself looking like a ghoul or zombie. Tried to get this bitch out of my head. Tried. There is no trying. Only doing. I DID nothing. I accepted the bitch with open arms.
I fingered the can of poison for a while. Rolled it around in my hands. Weighed it against what I knew was the right thing to do. I thought about what I was about to do. About why I was going to do it. She convinced me everything was fine. This was the right thing to do. My life would be better. She said I would sleep. She said I would feel better physically. Emotionally. She promised me.
I broke the seal. I popped the lid. I went knuckle deep. I pinched. I felt a rush of pure ecstasy. Something I hadnt felt for years, even while active. I felt alive. I felt...guilt.
I betrayed myself. I betrayed you. My brothers and sisters in this fight. I had caved, after only five days. Five days. Five weeks. Five months. Five years. One day without this poison is truly freedom. And I caved. I am a pussy. I am weak.
And She lied to me. She said I would sleep. I stayed awake all night staring at roll call. My name wasnt on the list. It couldnt be on the list. I was weak. I caved. Cavers dont get to be on the list. My body ached. My head was pounding. She said everything would be fine, but She lied to me. Like she has been for the past 7 years. And I believed her.
I lied to you all. I made friends under false pretenses. You would all go to hell and back for me. You all opened your hearts to me. You answered my cry for help. And I shit on you. I lied to you. I probably lost a trust that I will never regain in my lifetime. I called you brother. I called you sister. You were my friends. I do not hold any hopes that any of you will ever talk to me again. I have lost my support. And it is no ones fault but my own.
I want to apologize to each and every one of you. I am sorry that I lied to you. I am sorry that I am weak. I am sorry that I am a pussy. I am sorry for wasting your time. I am sorry.
Im not asking for forgiveness. Im not asking for reassurance. Yell at me. Call me names. Hate me. I am a traitor. I am weak and I allowed the Bitch to control me. Give it to me. Dont hold back. Come on, make me feel weaker. Insignificant. Make me just a number. Make me feel more guilty than I already do. PISS ME OFF!
One day at a time.
Im not going to try this time. Im not going to hope this time. No. This time im going to DO.
One day at a time this Bitch is going to have less and less of a grasp on me.
One day at a time I am going to fight to earn back the trust that was shattered by a moment of weakness.
One day at a time I am going to thank each and every one of you for believing in me.
One day at a time I am going to kick this addiction.
One day at a time I am going to pay it forward. All I've known for the past 7 years is take, take and more take. You have all helped me when I needed it. I am going to pay it forward, making myself stronger in the process.
One day at a time.
I may be a pussy. I may be weak. I may be an asshole. I may be a liar. I may be an addict. I may be lots of things. I am lots of things. But I am also a quitter.
I am a quitter. And I intend to stay quit. The past is behind me. I can only move on from here. I cannot and will not look back. What happened in the past is just that. The past. I am looking forward. To a bright, poison free future. Standing proud next to my brothers and sisters. I like what I see. I am proud. I want that.
One day at a time. I am quit.
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I don't know whether to applaud this or scoff at it. I reached out all day to you bro.
You know what to do.
You... KNOW what to do!
Do it.
I'll quit with you.
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Where to begin?
Last night (July 31, 2013) was a complete fucking disaster. I fucked up.
With this chew I enslave myself
to a lifetime of addiction.
While I canÂ’t promise to always love you,
I do promise to obey every craving and
support my addiction to you
no matter how expensive you become.
I will let no husband or wife,
no family member or friend,
no doctor or any other health professional,
no employer or government policy,
no stench, no sore tongue or gums,
no cancer or heart attack or stroke,
no threat of loss of life or limbs,
come between us.
I will chew you forever
from this day forth,
for better or worse,
whether richer or poorer,
in sickness and in health,
till death do us part!
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: __DippinDave911___
Date: ___07/31/2013____
I had a rough night. I convinced myself that I would quit quitting. I regret not having this in my wallet. This isnt about regrets though.
______________________________________________________________
I was exhausted. The bitch came to me in my delusional thoughts. She begged me to come back to her. She promised she could make everything better. She could put everything back where it goes. All I had to do was dip one more time. One dip, and I could have my life back. Im weak. I let her in. Im a pussy. I couldnt say no to her.
I bought a can. I knew it was wrong, but I wanted it. She wanted it. And I made it so. I brought the can home. I set the can beside me and loaded up live chat. I needed help. I wanted help. But it was already to late. My Her mind was already made up. She broke me. I would cave. She would humiliate me in front of my brothers and sisters. She used me. Like she has for the past 7 years. She told my brothers and sisters what they wanted to hear. Tell them off. Appease them. She had already won.
I lied to you all. I lied on top of lies. I knew I was going to dip. I sat reading while you all thought I was flushing my poison. One of you saw through the ruse, but others still talked you out of the idea. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, LIES! I LIED TO YOU ALL!
I left chat. I stuck around the site a little longer. I looked at everything. Cancer pictures. Read stories of life and of death. Tried imagining myself looking like a ghoul or zombie. Tried to get this bitch out of my head. Tried. There is no trying. Only doing. I DID nothing. I accepted the bitch with open arms.
I fingered the can of poison for a while. Rolled it around in my hands. Weighed it against what I knew was the right thing to do. I thought about what I was about to do. About why I was going to do it. She convinced me everything was fine. This was the right thing to do. My life would be better. She said I would sleep. She said I would feel better physically. Emotionally. She promised me.
I broke the seal. I popped the lid. I went knuckle deep. I pinched. I felt a rush of pure ecstasy. Something I hadnt felt for years, even while active. I felt alive. I felt...guilt.
I betrayed myself. I betrayed you. My brothers and sisters in this fight. I had caved, after only five days. Five days. Five weeks. Five months. Five years. One day without this poison is truly freedom. And I caved. I am a pussy. I am weak.
And She lied to me. She said I would sleep. I stayed awake all night staring at roll call. My name wasnt on the list. It couldnt be on the list. I was weak. I caved. Cavers dont get to be on the list. My body ached. My head was pounding. She said everything would be fine, but She lied to me. Like she has been for the past 7 years. And I believed her.
I lied to you all. I made friends under false pretenses. You would all go to hell and back for me. You all opened your hearts to me. You answered my cry for help. And I shit on you. I lied to you. I probably lost a trust that I will never regain in my lifetime. I called you brother. I called you sister. You were my friends. I do not hold any hopes that any of you will ever talk to me again. I have lost my support. And it is no ones fault but my own.
I want to apologize to each and every one of you. I am sorry that I lied to you. I am sorry that I am weak. I am sorry that I am a pussy. I am sorry for wasting your time. I am sorry.
Im not asking for forgiveness. Im not asking for reassurance. Yell at me. Call me names. Hate me. I am a traitor. I am weak and I allowed the Bitch to control me. Give it to me. Dont hold back. Come on, make me feel weaker. Insignificant. Make me just a number. Make me feel more guilty than I already do. PISS ME OFF!
One day at a time.
Im not going to try this time. Im not going to hope this time. No. This time im going to DO.
One day at a time this Bitch is going to have less and less of a grasp on me.
One day at a time I am going to fight to earn back the trust that was shattered by a moment of weakness.
One day at a time I am going to thank each and every one of you for believing in me.
One day at a time I am going to kick this addiction.
One day at a time I am going to pay it forward. All I've known for the past 7 years is take, take and more take. You have all helped me when I needed it. I am going to pay it forward, making myself stronger in the process.
One day at a time.
I may be a pussy. I may be weak. I may be an asshole. I may be a liar. I may be an addict. I may be lots of things. I am lots of things. But I am also a quitter.
I am a quitter. And I intend to stay quit. The past is behind me. I can only move on from here. I cannot and will not look back. What happened in the past is just that. The past. I am looking forward. To a bright, poison free future. Standing proud next to my brothers and sisters. I like what I see. I am proud. I want that.
One day at a time. I am quit.
All fucking day I have been hearing your name. Wtf is this shit? You had the tools. The tools reached out. A lot of people were looking for you. Why did you not respond? And now you come in at night with this?? Please explain why you rejected and ignored your brothers.
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I don't know whether to applaud this or scoff at it. I reached out all day to you bro.
You know what to do.
You... KNOW what to do!
Do it.
I'll quit with you.
I know you did. As did everyone else. Im not looking to put on a jolly good show for everyone. I wronged you. I wronged everyone here myself included. Ive never felt this guilty before. I just wanted to apologize and honestly, typing all that out has really strengthened my own resolve. You can all say its for attention. Fine. To each his own. Im sorry this ever happened. Ignoring a problem doesnt help it right? Well ignoring the fact that I betrayed everyone who sought to help me doesnt accomplish much either. I want you all to know that you tried like hell. Im just a pussy. I have to live with that. I dont have to live with dip though. And I dont want to. Im sorry, just take it with a grain of salt and move on.
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All fucking day I have been hearing your name. Wtf is this shit? You had the tools. The tools reached out. A lot of people were looking for you. Why did you not respond? And now you come in at night with this?? Please explain why you rejected and ignored your brothers.
Because I was ashamed. I couldnt get the guilt off my shoulders. All you guys were trying to do was help. You all gave it your best and I spit on it. (pun not intended). So I sat and stewed in it all day. I dealt with it. Its sucks that it happened and I am sorry for it. But I cant change it.
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All fucking day I have been hearing your name. Wtf is this shit? You had the tools. The tools reached out. A lot of people were looking for you. Why did you not respond? And now you come in at night with this?? Please explain why you rejected and ignored your brothers.
Because I was ashamed. I couldnt get the guilt off my shoulders. All you guys were trying to do was help. You all gave it your best and I spit on it. (pun not intended). So I sat and stewed in it all day. I dealt with it. Its sucks that it happened and I am sorry for it. But I cant change it.
So what are you going to do differently now? What is your quit plan? I didnt see anything addressing that.....
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So what are you going to do differently now? What is your quit plan? I didnt see anything addressing that.....
Im going to ignore the Bitch. Im going to make use of my contacts. Thats what I have them for. Im going to educate myself more. Im not going to look back. only forward.
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just because it needs to be seen again
BirdÂ’s Top Ten
1 Quit for you. This decision to abstain from ANY and ALL NICOTINE is not based on fear or for anyone else.Â
2. Post roll every damn day. Affirm daily to yourself and to the brotherhood your decision to protect your quit and theirs.
3. Keep you word. Sounds simple until everything hits the fan at once. If you can’t look yourself in the mirror honestly then you are a weak link.
4. Hold your brothers accountable to posting and protecting their quit This will require open lines of communication.
5. Have a sense of humor. Life is serious enough and quitting sucks. We did this to ourselves so own your quit.Â
6. Special butterflies need not apply regardless of your life story or circumstances. Your finger print is the only unique thing about you. Follow the time tested precepts. You are not God’s gift to “quit” and KTC isn’t broken nor DOES IT NEED FIXING OR REINVENTING!
7. Take what you can and leave the rest. It’s called life – roll with the good and bad.
8. Protect your quit daily and if you have extra energy help a brother out. (old or new, we all need encouragement sometimes) the pay it backward and forward principle. Note help may include a boot in the ass every now and then or a 2x4 upside a thick foggy skull
9. No cure, pill or silver bullet to erase our history of nicotine abuse.
10. Wake up and repeat
I didn't write this but it seems appropriate Thank you cbird
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sweet and now im sneaky. you guys are clearly too smart for me. sorry yet again. FUCK! goodnight....I quit.
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So what are you going to do differently now? What is your quit plan? I didnt see anything addressing that.....
Im going to ignore the Bitch. Im going to make use of my contacts. Thats what I have them for. Im going to educate myself more. Im not going to look back. only forward.
Ignore? 'finger point' You can't just ignore the bitch. She lies in wait for you to be weak just one more time. Know that she is there in the shadows at all times. Keep her in check. Get involved with your group. Get active and stay active. That is how you keep her in check. When she rears her head, reach down, rip out her vagina and stomp on it!! It aint as soft and sweet like she tells you....like you just learned. Dont learn it again.
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Moving on...
Thought I'd add some Words of Wisdom but guess I cant post in that section so ill just throw in here. wooo.
You Wont Cave If You Dont Crave.
When I lost control and caved, I was in the midst of a serious craving. It got to the point where I couldnt control it. After the dust settled I did some research (mostly just sat down and seriously pondered on it) to prevent myself from letting this happen again. I found some pretty straightforward ideas to help beat back your cravings. Maybe it can also help you.
1. Take a nap. It seems so simple because it is. I know sleep seems to evade us but think of it like this. You cant dip when your asleep. And if you want to scare that craving away, think of it like THIS (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/my-son-aspirated-dip.asp)
2. Click here (http://www.killthecan.org/) and scroll all the way to the bottom. Use the tracking calculator to find out how much money you've already saved. Then think about how much more you're going to save by staying quit.
3. Take your ol lady (or man) out for dinner. Should be able to afford it with all the money you've saved since you quit. Yes, even I have the decency not to throw a dip in when im out for dinner.
4. Learn to play an instrument. I might suggest harmonica, flute, trombone, trumpet. Good luck packing a lip and playing these.
5. Go back to the KTC Homepage (http://www.killthecan.org/) and educate yourself through the Facts Figures links. If you only research one of the links make sure its THIS ONE! (http://www.killthecan.org/pics/)
Theres tons of other ways im sure, but this should provide a good starter.
(apologies if there is already a post of this nature. Im not searching the thousands of posts on this site to find it if there is one)
One Day At A Time....
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one last time before i log out (hopefully not for the last time)
Ive lied to my brothers and sisters.
Ive broken board guidelines that I didnt have the foresight to read.
Ive dug myself so deep ill probably never climb out
Ive been banned from chat for 3 days.
I might be banned from site permanently.
I have an addiction.
I am an addict.
I am weak.
I am a pussy.
I am sorry.
One day I will right my wrongs. Today was not that day.
I am sorry.
As of the time of writing this I am quit.
Goodnight brothers and sisters.
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one last time before i log out (hopefully not for the last time)
Ive lied to my brothers and sisters.
Ive broken board guidelines that I didnt have the foresight to read.
Ive dug myself so deep ill probably never climb out
Ive been banned from chat for 3 days.
I might be banned from site permanently.
I have an addiction.
I am an addict.
I am weak.
I am a pussy.
I am sorry.
One day I will right my wrongs. Today was not that day.
I am sorry.
As of the time of writing this I am quit.
Goodnight brothers and sisters.
Well Dave, 2m spent a great deal of time with you the other night to no avail.
What happened, why did it happen and what are you going to do differently?
And no, I don't believe you.
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one last time before i log out (hopefully not for the last time)
Ive lied to my brothers and sisters.
Ive broken board guidelines that I didnt have the foresight to read.
Ive dug myself so deep ill probably never climb out
Ive been banned from chat for 3 days.
I might be banned from site permanently.
I have an addiction.
I am an addict.
I am weak.
I am a pussy.
I am sorry.
One day I will right my wrongs. Today was not that day.
I am sorry.
As of the time of writing this I am quit.
Goodnight brothers and sisters.
Well Dave, 2m spent a great deal of time with you the other night to no avail.
What happened, why did it happen and what are you going to do differently?
And no, I don't believe you.
Dave, i'm glad to see you were man enough to get back here. You swung and missed.
Quitting comes from deep brother. Those major craves will come and each one you beat back will make you stronger for the next one.
We got people on this sight losing wifes, jobs, sanity and god know what else while they are quitting. You are no different. Quitting sucks for everyone.
Three great intros to dig into would be kc guy, erussell, and diesel. You NEED to see how to quit and WHAT you can overcome while your quitting, Those are just three. There are many just like those.
Start reading and learning everything you can about your enemy. The poison does not play. It will come for you again. Knowledge is power. Get back to quitting. Failure is not an option.
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Dude I am not sure what you did in your short time here to be banned from chat already....but in a quick view of your intro thread it sounds to me like you don't want it very bad. Sounds more like you want people to feel sorry for you your little addict brain is spouting off feel sorry for me phrases left and right.
It also looks like you came here to take I don't see much give out of you. You came here instead of thinking of OUR home as a safe haven for you, you came here and took. You show no gratitude for any of the people that have reached out to you.
looks like you spent more time trying to figure out how to put quotes in your signature line than into this quit. Quotes are nothing if you don't adhere to them. If you don't use them for inspiration in tough times you might as well not type them at all they are empty. Spend more time listening, learning and read read read... that's where time is best spent.
I suggest you read back over your own thread key in on what Diesel told you early on. You don't want it very bad is wha
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one last time before i log out (hopefully not for the last time)
Ive lied to my brothers and sisters.
Ive broken board guidelines that I didnt have the foresight to read.
Ive dug myself so deep ill probably never climb out
Ive been banned from chat for 3 days.
I might be banned from site permanently.
I have an addiction.
I am an addict.
I am weak.
I am a pussy.
I am sorry.
One day I will right my wrongs. Today was not that day.
I am sorry.
As of the time of writing this I am quit.
Goodnight brothers and sisters.
Well Dave, 2m spent a great deal of time with you the other night to no avail.
What happened, why did it happen and what are you going to do differently?
And no, I don't believe you.
Dave, i'm glad to see you were man enough to get back here. You swung and missed.
Quitting comes from deep brother. Those major craves will come and each one you beat back will make you stronger for the next one.
We got people on this sight losing wifes, jobs, sanity and god know what else while they are quitting. You are no different. Quitting sucks for everyone.
Three great intros to dig into would be kc guy, erussell, and diesel. You NEED to see how to quit and WHAT you can overcome while your quitting, Those are just three. There are many just like those.
Start reading and learning everything you can about your enemy. The poison does not play. It will come for you again. Knowledge is power. Get back to quitting. Failure is not an option.
Dude I am not sure what you did in your short time here to be banned from chat already....but in a quick view of your intro thread it sounds to me like you don't want it very bad. Sounds more like you want people to feel sorry for you your little addict brain is spouting off feel sorry for me phrases left and right.
It also looks like you came here to take I don't see much give out of you. You came here instead of thinking of OUR home as a safe haven for you, you came here and took. You show no gratitude for any of the people that have reached out to you.
looks like you spent more time trying to figure out how to put quotes in your signature line than into this quit. Quotes are nothing if you don't adhere to them. If you don't use them for inspiration in tough times you might as well not type them at all they are empty. Spend more time listening, learning and read read read... that's where time is best spent.
I suggest you read back over your own thread key in on what Diesel told you early on. You don't want it very bad is what he told you. He like others saw it coming tried to intervene but you didn't take heed to the warnings.
So what are going to do different this time?
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Moving on...
Thought I'd add some Words of Wisdom but guess I cant post in that section so ill just throw in here. wooo.
You Wont Cave If You Dont Crave.
When I lost control and caved, I was in the midst of a serious craving. It got to the point where I couldnt control it. After the dust settled I did some research (mostly just sat down and seriously pondered on it) to prevent myself from letting this happen again. I found some pretty straightforward ideas to help beat back your cravings. Maybe it can also help you.
1. Take a nap. It seems so simple because it is. I know sleep seems to evade us but think of it like this. You cant dip when your asleep. And if you want to scare that craving away, think of it like THIS (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/my-son-aspirated-dip.asp)
2. Click here (http://www.killthecan.org/) and scroll all the way to the bottom. Use the tracking calculator to find out how much money you've already saved. Then think about how much more you're going to save by staying quit.
3. Take your ol lady (or man) out for dinner. Should be able to afford it with all the money you've saved since you quit. Yes, even I have the decency not to throw a dip in when im out for dinner.
4. Learn to play an instrument. I might suggest harmonica, flute, trombone, trumpet. Good luck packing a lip and playing these.
5. Go back to the KTC Homepage (http://www.killthecan.org/) and educate yourself through the Facts Figures links. If you only research one of the links make sure its THIS ONE! (http://www.killthecan.org/pics/)
Theres tons of other ways im sure, but this should provide a good starter.
(apologies if there is already a post of this nature. Im not searching the thousands of posts on this site to find it if there is one)
One Day At A Time....
You can't put words into the Words of Wisdom page because you don't have any words of wisdom.
Why should I listen to somebody who can't make it through the first week without failing? Sorry, but I'm going to give props to the thousands of others on this site that are winning this battle each day. Not somebody who chooses to be a failure.
:ph43r:
Listen, man...quitting can be as easy and as hard as you want it to be. Shut the door on that stuff. You can't cave if you are willing to do anything to stay quit. There is one thing and one thing alone that you are in charge of in this world: your actions. That's it.
Let's stop the pity party and get on to some quitting. You are not a special butterfly that is unable to quit. You are not a bigger addict than the rest of us. You are not the first to fail, and you won't be the first to fade away or become successful after it.
You can do this, but you need to want it. You need to want it, and you need to be willing to follow through with it.
You are on my radar. I expect to see you back here with a different mentality.
:WastedPanel:
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Well, crap....we were on the same day quit.
Pull 'em back up and post roll call and let's get this thing done...
Greg
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Lack of resolve, 7 years chewing the shit, that's a long time. You are crying and moaning about how hard this is to vets man. Lots of people on this site have quit, who were twenty plus year chewers.
Moral of the story, it takes balls to quit....
SACK UP, and do it, or split, that easy....
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
yep, you have had so much succes in quiting by yourself that you dont need us any ways. Best wishes butt hurt
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
yep, you have had so much succes in quiting by yourself that you dont need us any ways. Best wishes butt hurt
I appreciate the parting shot, but if you can't answer those questions...you won't be able to quit with any program.
ANY.
We don't make you answer those for our benefit. We make you answer them for your benefit. Humans make mistakes. We fail. But it's how we handle ourselves after these mistakes that can make us grow.
So, fine...be on your own. Call us assholes.
Deep down you know that we can help you. You just need to be humble about it. Trust me. I was a thousand days stopped, failed, and had to come back to those questions. It hurts because it feels like weakness. Like I've said thousands of times....The KTC can be the biggest, baddest tool in your arsenal of quit.
BUT it's up to you to pull the trigger.
Stick around, and post roll. Keep your word. Repeat these steps. Trust me. It will keep you quit. If you need help, ask.
If you think that failure is an option that we will condone...don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya. We are here to quit. You can quit with us too.
You can do this.
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
yep, you have had so much succes in quiting by yourself that you dont need us any ways. Best wishes butt hurt
I appreciate the parting shot, but if you can't answer those questions...you won't be able to quit with any program.
ANY.
We don't make you answer those for our benefit. We make you answer them for your benefit. Humans make mistakes. We fail. But it's how we handle ourselves after these mistakes that can make us grow.
So, fine...be on your own. Call us assholes.
Deep down you know that we can help you. You just need to be humble about it. Trust me. I was a thousand days stopped, failed, and had to come back to those questions. It hurts because it feels like weakness. Like I've said thousands of times....The KTC can be the biggest, baddest tool in your arsenal of quit.
BUT it's up to you to pull the trigger.
Stick around, and post roll. Keep your word. Repeat these steps. Trust me. It will keep you quit. If you need help, ask.
If you think that failure is an option that we will condone...don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya. We are here to quit. You can quit with us too.
You can do this.
Addicts must take an inventory of themselfes. Why? Because they lived in lies all along to feed the addiction. I sure as hell did. How about the rest of you?
Taking inventory is not for attention. It is to straighten our asses out. If this were easy or if we could have done it alone and we would have doen this a long long time ago.
Until you are ready to what ever it takes and be honest this quit will be difficult. You have the free will.
Choose wisely
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
yep, you have had so much succes in quiting by yourself that you dont need us any ways. Best wishes butt hurt
I appreciate the parting shot, but if you can't answer those questions...you won't be able to quit with any program.
ANY.
We don't make you answer those for our benefit. We make you answer them for your benefit. Humans make mistakes. We fail. But it's how we handle ourselves after these mistakes that can make us grow.
So, fine...be on your own. Call us assholes.
Deep down you know that we can help you. You just need to be humble about it. Trust me. I was a thousand days stopped, failed, and had to come back to those questions. It hurts because it feels like weakness. Like I've said thousands of times....The KTC can be the biggest, baddest tool in your arsenal of quit.
BUT it's up to you to pull the trigger.
Stick around, and post roll. Keep your word. Repeat these steps. Trust me. It will keep you quit. If you need help, ask.
If you think that failure is an option that we will condone...don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya. We are here to quit. You can quit with us too.
You can do this.
Addicts must take an inventory of themselfes. Why? Because they lived in lies all along to feed the addiction. I sure as hell did. How about the rest of you?
Taking inventory is not for attention. It is to straighten our asses out. If this were easy or if we could have done it alone and we would have doen this a long long time ago.
Until you are ready to what ever it takes and be honest this quit will be difficult. You have the free will.
Choose wisely
Wow Dave... you sound quite fragile. Typical addict talk. You F'ed Up and you blame the others around you. EXTERNALIZE, EXTERNALIZE, EXTERNALIZE.. If you wish to leave then feel free. Some people have the codependent tendency to fight with addicts to make them or coerce them into wanting to stop or received help. Well, piss on that. You talk like you are a special butterfly, your plan is like your a special butterfly and your action show you are remaining an addict like every other person I have ever met that was an addict and thought their addiction was special. Since your special way has worked so well already and continues to do so... keep doing the same thing and expect different results. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Wait... not for you cause your special... sure you are Dave. Hope to speak with you again. Uh oh, you may not be able to speak without a tongue.. Sorry.. Have a great time.
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WOW is all I can say.
This guy has been on the site for all of a Week and he has got it all figured out. Priceless!!
You are selfish and undeserving the amount of attention you have gotten. 6 fucking pages of posts from a HOST of Bad ASS QUITTERS and all you can say is 'Finger' ??
Most of the people that took the time to post on this thread have more quit in their pinky fingers than you have thought about putting into your's!
I am sorry if you grew up in the participation medal era but we dont hand those out here!
I hope that you find your niche to quit. It may even be here. I have seen wierder things happen. But you are in need of a severe attitude change.
Stay around, Make some friends and save your Face!
J
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
Seriously???? You self centered prick.
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 Whos going to care?
You really do not get this site do you.
Take a look again on what is stood for here.
ACOUNTABILITY
BROTHERHOOD
=
SUCCESS
if you don't think people care about their brothers when they join, well then maybe you are not in the right place. There is a set pattern here that works. If you want a part I would suggest:
1 - read through the stuff on the site again before you do anything else
2 - take a good long look in the mirror at yourself.
then make the decision of what you want to do. If you want to be here then I will stand beside you when you prove it.
If not then well......
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From your quit group.....so you don't miss it....
Dave, you don't just get to go back to day 1. You have to tell us what happened, why, what you will do different this time. We need to believe you when you tell us that you are quit. It's what this entire website is built around
(1) What happened?
(2) Why did it happen?
(3) What are you doing differently this time?
Answers please. You owe it to October and November
What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
goodluck all of november and 'Finger'
Dave,
We don't coddle here. We don't rub your back and tell you that it will all be ok, to try again, and "you can do it champ!"
Doing the above only enables you and anyone else to cave and fall back into your addiction. It feeds your addict mind by saying "Hey, it's ok if I go back and put that stuff in my mouth. They'll be nice to me and let me start over". Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. We need to make sure that YOU know (as well as any other quitter who happens to read this) that caving is unacceptable. There IS NO EXCUSE for going back to the can. Why? Let me point it out....
If you read up on this website, you'll see that you are supposed to post roll every day. And by posting roll, you are promising not only me, but your quit group, the rest of the website, and yourself that you won't use nicotine for the day. You aren't promising forever, you are just promising for 1 single day.
So here's the equation:
You post roll = you promise = you quit.
Ta Da!
It's not a magic trick. It's not complicated. It's not easy as we can all attest to, but it is simple. So here's the rub. You know this site works. You know that the above equation will give you success.
1. You didn't post roll, therefore didn't make a promise to stay clean, therefore you are a dumbass.
2. You did post roll, and did promise, therefore you are a liar and I can't trust you at your word.
I don't know which one you did, 1 or 2. Either way, you don't deserve to be hand held and ball-stroked. But here's the good news. You get a 2nd chance. You get to start over. But there is a price: you get to endure the wrath from all of us that keep our promise day in and day out. Sure, you lost our trust as of now. But that doesn't mean you can't get it back. For some of us, that means you post for 3 days in a row. For some of us, you have to post for 3 months in a row. And for some of us, you might have to post for 300 days in a row.
Right now, the little tantrum that you threw and are throwing is nothing but your addicted brain giving you an excuse to go back to the can. You arrived at this site because you NEED the accountability. So let us hold you accountable for your actions. Stand up, admit you f'ed up, and get back to quitting. Plain and simple.
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Moving on...
Thought I'd add some Words of Wisdom but guess I cant post in that section so ill just throw in here. wooo.
You Wont Cave If You Dont Crave.
When I lost control and caved, I was in the midst of a serious craving. It got to the point where I couldnt control it. After the dust settled I did some research (mostly just sat down and seriously pondered on it) to prevent myself from letting this happen again. I found some pretty straightforward ideas to help beat back your cravings. Maybe it can also help you.
1. Take a nap. It seems so simple because it is. I know sleep seems to evade us but think of it like this. You cant dip when your asleep. And if you want to scare that craving away, think of it like THIS (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/my-son-aspirated-dip.asp)
2. Click here (http://www.killthecan.org/) and scroll all the way to the bottom. Use the tracking calculator to find out how much money you've already saved. Then think about how much more you're going to save by staying quit.
3. Take your ol lady (or man) out for dinner. Should be able to afford it with all the money you've saved since you quit. Yes, even I have the decency not to throw a dip in when im out for dinner.
4. Learn to play an instrument. I might suggest harmonica, flute, trombone, trumpet. Good luck packing a lip and playing these.
5. Go back to the KTC Homepage (http://www.killthecan.org/) and educate yourself through the Facts Figures links. If you only research one of the links make sure its THIS ONE! (http://www.killthecan.org/pics/)
Theres tons of other ways im sure, but this should provide a good starter.
(apologies if there is already a post of this nature. Im not searching the thousands of posts on this site to find it if there is one)
One Day At A Time....
You can't put words into the Words of Wisdom page because you don't have any words of wisdom.
Why should I listen to somebody who can't make it through the first week without failing? Sorry, but I'm going to give props to the thousands of others on this site that are winning this battle each day. Not somebody who chooses to be a failure.
:ph43r:
Listen, man...quitting can be as easy and as hard as you want it to be. Shut the door on that stuff. You can't cave if you are willing to do anything to stay quit. There is one thing and one thing alone that you are in charge of in this world: your actions. That's it.
Let's stop the pity party and get on to some quitting. You are not a special butterfly that is unable to quit. You are not a bigger addict than the rest of us. You are not the first to fail, and you won't be the first to fade away or become successful after it.
You can do this, but you need to want it. You need to want it, and you need to be willing to follow through with it.
You are on my radar. I expect to see you back here with a different mentality.
:WastedPanel:
dude....on wastepanel's radar.....OUCH...love that
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
Seriously???? You self centered prick.
i have nothing to say here except this entire thread was incredibly predictable from Day 1.
Please don't be offended by this message...
#predictable #boring #seenthismoviebefore #plannedcave #youarenotaspecialbutterfly
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What happened? Whos going to care? Its just an excuse for my own shortcoming. I had a moment of weakness. I was craving and just wanted something in my lip. I drove to two different walmarts and couldnt find smokey mountain anywhere. ready for the irony? if i could have waited just one more day i would have been fine. next morning bright and early my order of bacc off came in. one friggen day. moment of weakness. craving. its just an excuse.
Why? oh it was totally just for attention. i wasnt getting enough already so i came up with this big elaborate plan to fool everyone into liking me more. and it worked for a little while till people started figuring me out. you better keep reading cause i love the attention im getting right now.
Next time? Fuck, im just gonna deal with shit myself. Half the people on here want to help. the other half are just condescending dick holes that run their mouths for no apparent reason other than to hear themselves. I mean, do you seriously think that I find that intimidating? fuck you.
Im done. Ill quit by myself. Anyone who is my contact ill post roll to you through text. If you want me to stop i will. idk how i could fuck all this up in two short days but i guess im just good at that.
Oh and for those of you who havent caught on, the reason for this post is just for more attention and i success. wooo. 'Finger'
Seriously???? You self centered prick.
i have nothing to say here except this entire thread was incredibly predictable from Day 1.
Please don't be offended by this message...
#predictable #boring #seenthismoviebefore #plannedcave #youarenotaspecialbutterfly
Dave,
You have been called out, challenged, and supported by numerous people. The onus is now on you to come back and prove people right that you can do this the right way and prove people wrong that you quit at quitting.
I hope, for your sake, that you make the right decision.
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quick update everything is going good. i dont post in my intro anymore and i dont think about dip at all. i got my bacc off. it sucks but it does the trick during those late night craves. im in a pretty shitty mood but thats mostly because i was suppose to be paid last thursday and i still havent been. fucking hungry and i have no money. awesome. think its time to get on the phone with the labor board this is ridiculous. anyway mind and body tobanicodip free. QLF!
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i dont post in my intro anymore and i dont think about dip at all.
That seems bass ackwards to me. You caved- so this time you are going to make even less use of the tools KTC offers. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense at all?
KTC Quit Fu is strong, and all who seek to study it are welcome.
However, if one desires to learn TigerClaw Quit Fu instead, then one must find a different dojo.
My stepson says I watch too many kung fu movies.... perhaps he is right.
But the point is.... There is proof that KTC works, and proof that your way doesn't.
Dive in, and do it for real, or move along.
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i dont post in my intro anymore and i dont think about dip at all.
That seems bass ackwards to me. You caved- so this time you are going to make even less use of the tools KTC offers. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense at all?
KTC Quit Fu is strong, and all who seek to study it are welcome.
However, if one desires to learn TigerClaw Quit Fu instead, then one must find a different dojo.
My stepson says I watch too many kung fu movies.... perhaps he is right.
But the point is.... There is proof that KTC works, and proof that your way doesn't.
Dive in, and do it for real, or move along.
HIYAH! 'nutkick'
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i dont post in my intro anymore and i dont think about dip at all.
That seems bass ackwards to me. You caved- so this time you are going to make even less use of the tools KTC offers. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense at all?
KTC Quit Fu is strong, and all who seek to study it are welcome.
However, if one desires to learn TigerClaw Quit Fu instead, then one must find a different dojo.
My stepson says I watch too many kung fu movies.... perhaps he is right.
But the point is.... There is proof that KTC works, and proof that your way doesn't.
Dive in, and do it for real, or move along.
HIYAH! 'nutkick'
DD911... You need to buckle down and get serious here. Part of that is admitting that by doing it on your own you caved quicker than a good dump takes. What's it gonna be dude!?
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dippin dave-
Just read your last two intro posts. Why are you even here? You somehow sense you need help, but then you reject all the sound advice you get and want to do it your way. Despite hard evidence that your way doesn't work. That my friend is special butterfly stuff there.
Either get all the way in or GTFO. You can be a bad ass quitter, but it won't happen until you drink the kool aide, follow the KTC recipe AND man up and be honest with yourself. Get over your anger at fellow quitters, channel it toward your real foe which is nicotine...
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dippin dave-
Just read your last two intro posts. Why are you even here? You somehow sense you need help, but then you reject all the sound advice you get and want to do it your way. Despite hard evidence that your way doesn't work. That my friend is special butterfly stuff there.
Either get all the way in or GTFO. You can be a bad ass quitter, but it won't happen until you drink the kool aide, follow the KTC recipe AND man up and be honest with yourself. Get over your anger at fellow quitters, channel it toward your real foe which is nicotine...
Its easy to WANT to quit! It's even easier to actually do it! It takes understanding that you are an ADDICT! Then making the choice that you will not use nicotine today for any reason! It's not rocket science! If you do not know with every fiber of your being that you are an addict and do not want to use, then you cannot be successful. There is no better way. Only the right way.... NO NICOTINE TODAY.
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Dude never came back? He's no quitter....
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Dude never came back? He's no quitter....
Sure he is. He's a professional quitter of quitting. Time to move along. Can't save em all...
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Dude never came back? He's no quitter....
Sure he is. He's a professional quitter of quitting. Time to move along. Can't save em all...
Sad truth is some people are weak, and at their core do not have the courage to act in their own best interests. Most of them come here thinking there is an easy way, a short cut to quitting that is painless and takes no effort. A quit pill if you will. It is easy to spot the ones that will fail, they all think they are special/different in some way from every other addict, and they firmly believe they will be cured rather than understanding they are addicts that have to put in the work to control their addiction. Try to focus on the real quitters rather than the special butterflies, the butterflies rarely stick around long...
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Dude never came back? He's no quitter....
Sure he is. He's a professional quitter of quitting. Time to move along. Can't save em all...
Sad truth is some people are weak, and at their core do not have the courage to act in their own best interests. Most of them come here thinking there is an easy way, a short cut to quitting that is painless and takes no effort. A quit pill if you will. It is easy to spot the ones that will fail, they all think they are special/different in some way from every other addict, and they firmly believe they will be cured rather than understanding they are addicts that have to put in the work to control their addiction. Try to focus on the real quitters rather than the special butterflies, the butterflies rarely stick around long...
no magic bullet here boys/girls just guts, nuts and teamwork....
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this is exactly why i dont post in my intro. every time i do i get some half assed bullshit answer that is neither helpful to my quit nor productive in any other way. If you spent half as much time giving some postitive feedback this site would be losing less people. not everyone is big fucking macho man that you see yourself as so sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
I post roll EVERY day with November. I AM QUIT. FUCK YOU for keeping this drama going longer than it needs to be.
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this is exactly why i dont post in my intro. every time i do i get some half assed bullshit answer that is neither helpful to my quit nor productive in any other way. If you spent half as much time giving some postitive feedback this site would be losing less people. not everyone is big fucking macho man that you see yourself as so sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
I post roll EVERY day with November. I AM QUIT. FUCK YOU for keeping this drama going longer than it needs to be.
Keep posting roll and quit every day. That's all that really matters here.
One day at a time.
I'm guessing some of the fellas posting in your intro were under the impression you weren't posting roll.
Edit: I should mention, that you still really need to answer those three questions after you caved. For you. Take an inventory of the reasons you caved and what steps you are going to do differently this time to prevent another one.
There will be plenty of cravings and temptations coming at you, are you prepared to take them on?
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Quit better.
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this is exactly why i dont post in my intro. every time i do i get some half assed bullshit answer that is neither helpful to my quit nor productive in any other way. If you spent half as much time giving some postitive feedback this site would be losing less people. not everyone is big fucking macho man that you see yourself as so sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
I post roll EVERY day with November. I AM QUIT. FUCK YOU for keeping this drama going longer than it needs to be.
Keep posting roll and quit every day. That's all that really matters here.
One day at a time.
I'm guessing some of the fellas posting in your intro were under the impression you weren't posting roll.
Edit: I should mention, that you still really need to answer those three questions after you caved. For you. Take an inventory of the reasons you caved and what steps you are going to do differently this time to prevent another one.
There will be plenty of cravings and temptations coming at you, are you prepared to take them on?
KTC gives you tools: posting roll, chat, your intro, thousands of quitters, and tons of information. Stop saying you are ignoring your tools and people will stop hounding you.
I've been watching you Dave. I've seen you post 6 straight days. I believe that you are on board. Reading the more recent comments, I get why you are pissed off. Channel that anger. Use the nasty comments to fuel your quit.
The simple truth is that everyone on here wants to see you quit, we just have different definitions of support.
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
i appreciate the positive replies but let it be known that i DID NOT post roll on the day i caved. i dont want to bring this back up but if thats what you guys think, you are wrong. i planned on caving. i waited until the next day and i did not post roll. i might not have had the respect for myself but i do have the respect for this site and its rules.
Edit:
Try pages 37-42 of roll call. Thats August 1, my cave date. I dont see my name. Not trying to be a dick but your right that that would hurt my integrity and if thats where all this negativity is coming from then it is very misplaced.
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Crap, my intent wasn't to bring all this up again. I was just checking your intro and assumed you never came back since I didn't see you posting here.
I get why you are upset but I also see the other side of it.
On my quit 8 years ago, after being quit almost a full year, I had a similar situation. My quit group which were named the Fuck Turds (Different forum but very similar) and I were very close. I was out of town and had that "one dip", I got on the forum and confessed and took a beating worse than what you are taking. I got so mad that I quit the forum and I quit my quit. I guess I showed them...huh...?
Part of me has always thought that if they handled it differently and were more supportive and kind, I would have stopped after that one dip.
A different part of me realizes that it's just my addiction telling me that and I understand I will always look for an excuse why it's too hard to stay quit. It can't be my fault so I blame it on the mean guys.
Most of those mean guys would have laid their life down for me so guess who the loser really was.
The good news is that I stayed away from forums such as this and got to dip 8 more years because I was good at hiding from strangers who cared about me...WIN....not.....
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
i appreciate the positive replies but let it be known that i DID NOT post roll on the day i caved. i dont want to bring this back up but if thats what you guys think, you are wrong. i planned on caving. i waited until the next day and i did not post roll. i might not have had the respect for myself but i do have the respect for this site and its rules.
Edit:
Try pages 37-42 of roll call. Thats August 1, my cave date. I dont see my name. Not trying to be a dick but your right that that would hurt my integrity and if thats where all this negativity is coming from then it is very misplaced.
Are you doing everything you can to stay quit?
What aren't you willing to put with to be free?
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Crap, my intent wasn't to bring all this up again. I was just checking your intro and assumed you never came back since I didn't see you posting here.
I get why you are upset but I also see the other side of it.
On my quit 8 years ago, after being quit almost a full year, I had a similar situation. My quit group which were named the Fuck Turds (Different forum but very similar) and I were very close. I was out of town and had that "one dip", I got on the forum and confessed and took a beating worse than what you are taking. I got so mad that I quit the forum and I quit my quit. I guess I showed them...huh...?
Part of me has always thought that if they handled it differently and were more supportive and kind, I would have stopped after that one dip.
A different part of me realizes that it's just my addiction telling me that and I understand I will always look for an excuse why it's too hard to stay quit. It can't be my fault so I blame it on the mean guys.
Most of those mean guys would have laid their life down for me so guess who the loser really was.
The good news is that I stayed away from forums such as this and got to dip 8 more years because I was good at hiding from strangers who cared about me...WIN....not.....
well said PDawg...these same mean guys have always been there when the plan has been followed. Post roll daily give us your word you will not use for the day. Hard times hit I am grabbing my phone and texting these mean guys and guess what they hang with me til the moment that is testing my resolve is over. The site is the way it is for a reason as PDawg stated we are addicts we can smell an out exit loop hole whatever you want to call it ...its the burn the bridge and the piers too approach if all that is taken away then all you can do is quit.
The main part of what I am trying to say is that everything is in place to help keep quit, all you have to do is pull the trigger.... makes people angry here that there number was in your phone or well at least some should be and you didn't use it you didn't even bother didn't even take the time to send a shout out. Caving is hard on everyone hard on you hard on guys that have reached out to you its a ripple effect some caves send out waves that upset the balance. Rambling now but these same mean guys are here for you anytime.
PM me if you don't have numbers and I will give you mine...
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
i appreciate the positive replies but let it be known that i DID NOT post roll on the day i caved. i dont want to bring this back up but if thats what you guys think, you are wrong. i planned on caving. i waited until the next day and i did not post roll. i might not have had the respect for myself but i do have the respect for this site and its rules.
Edit:
Try pages 37-42 of roll call. Thats August 1, my cave date. I dont see my name. Not trying to be a dick but your right that that would hurt my integrity and if thats where all this negativity is coming from then it is very misplaced.
Are you doing everything you can to stay quit?
What aren't you willing to put with to be free?
I'm probably one of those mean guys you are talking about. And I'm not going to go all warm and fuzzy on you yet. But Evil is absolutely right, no one wants to see you fail here.
I read your answers to the three questions and your other posts and can't help but see addict speak all over them still. Because I am an addict, I know it when I see it. We've not yet seen much evidence that you are approaching this quit much differently than before. Your answers to the 3 questions show little promise of a quit being built. If you think simply posting roll most days (or every day) and not investing in the other tools will keep you quit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm glad you are posting. Lose the attitude, spend time learning all the tools KTC has to offer. Use them.
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
i appreciate the positive replies but let it be known that i DID NOT post roll on the day i caved. i dont want to bring this back up but if thats what you guys think, you are wrong. i planned on caving. i waited until the next day and i did not post roll. i might not have had the respect for myself but i do have the respect for this site and its rules.
Edit:
Try pages 37-42 of roll call. Thats August 1, my cave date. I dont see my name. Not trying to be a dick but your right that that would hurt my integrity and if thats where all this negativity is coming from then it is very misplaced.
Are you doing everything you can to stay quit?
What aren't you willing to put with to be free?
I'm probably one of those mean guys you are talking about. And I'm not going to go all warm and fuzzy on you yet. But Evil is absolutely right, no one wants to see you fail here.
I read your answers to the three questions and your other posts and can't help but see addict speak all over them still. Because I am an addict, I know it when I see it. We've not yet seen much evidence that you are approaching this quit much differently than before. Your answers to the 3 questions show little promise of a quit being built. If you think simply posting roll most days (or every day) and not investing in the other tools will keep you quit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm glad you are posting. Lose the attitude, spend time learning all the tools KTC has to offer. Use them.
Come on man, give me a hug....
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DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored. You have posted roll every day which is great, but, you posted roll on the day you caved so your integrity took a big hit.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
i appreciate the positive replies but let it be known that i DID NOT post roll on the day i caved. i dont want to bring this back up but if thats what you guys think, you are wrong. i planned on caving. i waited until the next day and i did not post roll. i might not have had the respect for myself but i do have the respect for this site and its rules.
Edit:
Try pages 37-42 of roll call. Thats August 1, my cave date. I dont see my name. Not trying to be a dick but your right that that would hurt my integrity and if thats where all this negativity is coming from then it is very misplaced.
Are you doing everything you can to stay quit?
What aren't you willing to put with to be free?
I'm probably one of those mean guys you are talking about. And I'm not going to go all warm and fuzzy on you yet. But Evil is absolutely right, no one wants to see you fail here.
I read your answers to the three questions and your other posts and can't help but see addict speak all over them still. Because I am an addict, I know it when I see it. We've not yet seen much evidence that you are approaching this quit much differently than before. Your answers to the 3 questions show little promise of a quit being built. If you think simply posting roll most days (or every day) and not investing in the other tools will keep you quit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm glad you are posting. Lose the attitude, spend time learning all the tools KTC has to offer. Use them.
Come on man, give me a hug....
Ghey... In a good way though :)
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What date did you cave on? See below...your post. I sifted through a lot of bullshit. See the stuff in RED. Freedom will come through honesty.
Where to begin?
Last night (July 31, 2013) was a complete fucking disaster. I fucked up.
With this chew I enslave myself
to a lifetime of addiction.
While I canÂ’t promise to always love you,
I do promise to obey every craving and
support my addiction to you
no matter how expensive you become.
I will let no husband or wife,
no family member or friend,
no doctor or any other health professional,
no employer or government policy,
no stench, no sore tongue or gums,
no cancer or heart attack or stroke,
no threat of loss of life or limbs,
come between us.
I will chew you forever
from this day forth,
for better or worse,
whether richer or poorer,
in sickness and in health,
till death do us part!
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: __DippinDave911___
Date: ___07/31/2013____
I had a rough night. I convinced myself that I would quit quitting. I regret not having this in my wallet. This isnt about regrets though.
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I was exhausted. The bitch came to me in my delusional thoughts. She begged me to come back to her. She promised she could make everything better. She could put everything back where it goes. All I had to do was dip one more time. One dip, and I could have my life back. Im weak. I let her in. Im a pussy. I couldnt say no to her.
I bought a can. I knew it was wrong, but I wanted it. She wanted it. And I made it so. I brought the can home. I set the can beside me and loaded up live chat. I needed help. I wanted help. But it was already to late. My Her mind was already made up. She broke me. I would cave. She would humiliate me in front of my brothers and sisters. She used me. Like she has for the past 7 years. She told my brothers and sisters what they wanted to hear. Tell them off. Appease them.[/s] She had already won.
I lied to you all. I lied on top of lies. I knew I was going to dip. I sat reading while you all thought I was flushing my poison. One of you saw through the ruse, but others still talked you out of the idea. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, LIES! I LIED TO YOU ALL!
I left chat. I stuck around the site a little longer. I looked at everything. Cancer pictures. Read stories of life and of death. Tried imagining myself looking like a ghoul or zombie. Tried to get this bitch out of my head. Tried. There is no trying. Only doing. I DID nothing. I accepted the bitch with open arms.
I fingered the can of poison for a while. Rolled it around in my hands. Weighed it against what I knew was the right thing to do. I thought about what I was about to do. About why I was going to do it. She convinced me everything was fine. This was the right thing to do. My life would be better. She said I would sleep. She said I would feel better physically. Emotionally. She promised me.
I broke the seal. I popped the lid. I went knuckle deep. I pinched. I felt a rush of pure ecstasy. Something I hadnt felt for years, even while active. I felt alive. I felt...guilt.
I betrayed myself. I betrayed you. My brothers and sisters in this fight. I had caved, after only five days. Five days. Five weeks. Five months. Five years. One day without this poison is truly freedom. And I caved. I am a pussy. I am weak.
And She lied to me. She said I would sleep. I stayed awake all night staring at roll call. My name wasnt on the list. It couldnt be on the list. I was weak. I caved. Cavers dont get to be on the list. My body ached. My head was pounding. She said everything would be fine, but She lied to me. Like she has been for the past 7 years. And I believed her.
I lied to you all. I made friends under false pretenses. You would all go to hell and back for me. You all opened your hearts to me. You answered my cry for help. And I shit on you. I lied to you. I probably lost a trust that I will never regain in my lifetime. I called you brother. I called you sister. You were my friends. I do not hold any hopes that any of you will ever talk to me again. I have lost my support. And it is no ones fault but my own.
I want to apologize to each and every one of you. I am sorry that I lied to you. I am sorry that I am weak. I am sorry that I am a pussy. I am sorry for wasting your time. I am sorry.
Im not asking for forgiveness. Im not asking for reassurance. Yell at me. Call me names. Hate me. I am a traitor. I am weak and I allowed the Bitch to control me. Give it to me. Dont hold back. Come on, make me feel weaker. Insignificant. Make me just a number. Make me feel more guilty than I already do. PISS ME OFF!
One day at a time.
Im not going to try this time. Im not going to hope this time. No. This time im going to DO.
One day at a time this Bitch is going to have less and less of a grasp on me.
One day at a time I am going to fight to earn back the trust that was shattered by a moment of weakness.
One day at a time I am going to thank each and every one of you for believing in me.
One day at a time I am going to kick this addiction.
One day at a time I am going to pay it forward. All I've known for the past 7 years is take, take and more take. You have all helped me when I needed it. I am going to pay it forward, making myself stronger in the process.
One day at a time.
I may be a pussy. I may be weak. I may be an asshole. I may be a liar. I may be an addict. I may be lots of things. I am lots of things. But I am also a quitter.
I am a quitter. And I intend to stay quit. The past is behind me. I can only move on from here. I cannot and will not look back. What happened in the past is just that. The past. I am looking forward. To a bright, poison free future. Standing proud next to my brothers and sisters. I like what I see. I am proud. I want that.
One day at a time. I am quit.
Still confused? how about this reminder:Pre Hof
November 2013
Today is: Wednesday, July 31st, 2013
Question Of The Day: How many fellow quitters numbers do you have in your phone???
Quitters
(nomore)DippinDave911- Day 5 Sleep would be great (3 contacts)
How many of those contacts did you use? None.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
Dixon.... While I am glad that you have been able to drink and stay quit, We warn against it because we have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of people cave because they got too drunk and gave into there urge to put poison in there bodies. I love to drink and do so regularly, but I also know that it lowers resolve and you have to use caution. I think most people who are new in there quit, struggle with drinking and should avoid it until they get some strength behind there quit! Do whatever works for you but understand that it is an issue that needs to be cautioned!
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What date did you cave on? See below...your post. I sifted through a lot of bullshit. See the stuff in RED. Freedom will come through honesty.
Where to begin?
Last night (July 31, 2013) was a complete fucking disaster. I fucked up.
With this chew I enslave myself
to a lifetime of addiction.
While I canÂ’t promise to always love you,
I do promise to obey every craving and
support my addiction to you
no matter how expensive you become.
I will let no husband or wife,
no family member or friend,
no doctor or any other health professional,
no employer or government policy,
no stench, no sore tongue or gums,
no cancer or heart attack or stroke,
no threat of loss of life or limbs,
come between us.
I will chew you forever
from this day forth,
for better or worse,
whether richer or poorer,
in sickness and in health,
till death do us part!
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: __DippinDave911___
Date: ___07/31/2013____
I had a rough night. I convinced myself that I would quit quitting. I regret not having this in my wallet. This isnt about regrets though.
______________________________________________________________
I was exhausted. The bitch came to me in my delusional thoughts. She begged me to come back to her. She promised she could make everything better. She could put everything back where it goes. All I had to do was dip one more time. One dip, and I could have my life back. Im weak. I let her in. Im a pussy. I couldnt say no to her.
I bought a can. I knew it was wrong, but I wanted it. She wanted it. And I made it so. I brought the can home. I set the can beside me and loaded up live chat. I needed help. I wanted help. But it was already to late. My Her mind was already made up. She broke me. I would cave. She would humiliate me in front of my brothers and sisters. She used me. Like she has for the past 7 years. She told my brothers and sisters what they wanted to hear. Tell them off. Appease them.[/s] She had already won.
I lied to you all. I lied on top of lies. I knew I was going to dip. I sat reading while you all thought I was flushing my poison. One of you saw through the ruse, but others still talked you out of the idea. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, LIES! I LIED TO YOU ALL!
I left chat. I stuck around the site a little longer. I looked at everything. Cancer pictures. Read stories of life and of death. Tried imagining myself looking like a ghoul or zombie. Tried to get this bitch out of my head. Tried. There is no trying. Only doing. I DID nothing. I accepted the bitch with open arms.
I fingered the can of poison for a while. Rolled it around in my hands. Weighed it against what I knew was the right thing to do. I thought about what I was about to do. About why I was going to do it. She convinced me everything was fine. This was the right thing to do. My life would be better. She said I would sleep. She said I would feel better physically. Emotionally. She promised me.
I broke the seal. I popped the lid. I went knuckle deep. I pinched. I felt a rush of pure ecstasy. Something I hadnt felt for years, even while active. I felt alive. I felt...guilt.
I betrayed myself. I betrayed you. My brothers and sisters in this fight. I had caved, after only five days. Five days. Five weeks. Five months. Five years. One day without this poison is truly freedom. And I caved. I am a pussy. I am weak.
And She lied to me. She said I would sleep. I stayed awake all night staring at roll call. My name wasnt on the list. It couldnt be on the list. I was weak. I caved. Cavers dont get to be on the list. My body ached. My head was pounding. She said everything would be fine, but She lied to me. Like she has been for the past 7 years. And I believed her.
I lied to you all. I made friends under false pretenses. You would all go to hell and back for me. You all opened your hearts to me. You answered my cry for help. And I shit on you. I lied to you. I probably lost a trust that I will never regain in my lifetime. I called you brother. I called you sister. You were my friends. I do not hold any hopes that any of you will ever talk to me again. I have lost my support. And it is no ones fault but my own.
I want to apologize to each and every one of you. I am sorry that I lied to you. I am sorry that I am weak. I am sorry that I am a pussy. I am sorry for wasting your time. I am sorry.
Im not asking for forgiveness. Im not asking for reassurance. Yell at me. Call me names. Hate me. I am a traitor. I am weak and I allowed the Bitch to control me. Give it to me. Dont hold back. Come on, make me feel weaker. Insignificant. Make me just a number. Make me feel more guilty than I already do. PISS ME OFF!
One day at a time.
Im not going to try this time. Im not going to hope this time. No. This time im going to DO.
One day at a time this Bitch is going to have less and less of a grasp on me.
One day at a time I am going to fight to earn back the trust that was shattered by a moment of weakness.
One day at a time I am going to thank each and every one of you for believing in me.
One day at a time I am going to kick this addiction.
One day at a time I am going to pay it forward. All I've known for the past 7 years is take, take and more take. You have all helped me when I needed it. I am going to pay it forward, making myself stronger in the process.
One day at a time.
I may be a pussy. I may be weak. I may be an asshole. I may be a liar. I may be an addict. I may be lots of things. I am lots of things. But I am also a quitter.
I am a quitter. And I intend to stay quit. The past is behind me. I can only move on from here. I cannot and will not look back. What happened in the past is just that. The past. I am looking forward. To a bright, poison free future. Standing proud next to my brothers and sisters. I like what I see. I am proud. I want that.
One day at a time. I am quit.
Still confused? how about this reminder:Pre Hof
November 2013
Today is: Wednesday, July 31st, 2013
Question Of The Day: How many fellow quitters numbers do you have in your phone???
Quitters
(nomore)DippinDave911- Day 5 Sleep would be great (3 contacts)
How many of those contacts did you use? None.
here
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
Dixon.... While I am glad that you have been able to drink and stay quit, We warn against it because we have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of people cave because they got too drunk and gave into there urge to put poison in there bodies. I love to drink and do so regularly, but I also know that it lowers resolve and you have to use caution. I think most people who are new in there quit, struggle with drinking and should avoid it until they get some strength behind there quit! Do whatever works for you but understand that it is an issue that needs to be cautioned!
DD911.... I'm sorry that I have to use your thread to say the following because I know it does nothing to help your quit....
DIXON..... You have been a member for almost a month and I cannot see anywhere that you EVER posted roll in ANY group! You have 2 posts to your name in 27 days! You are not to be posting in the intros unless you have posted roll for the day! Until you follow the rules of the site, you need to leave your advice about changing site topics to yourself! You have not earned the right yet. Go post roll and be quit! If you want to reply to this post, feel free to copy and paste the conversation over to my thread.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
Dixon.... While I am glad that you have been able to drink and stay quit, We warn against it because we have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of people cave because they got too drunk and gave into there urge to put poison in there bodies. I love to drink and do so regularly, but I also know that it lowers resolve and you have to use caution. I think most people who are new in there quit, struggle with drinking and should avoid it until they get some strength behind there quit! Do whatever works for you but understand that it is an issue that needs to be cautioned!
Dixson... I'm gonna add to Jake's post here. Loose the frat boy attitude, toot sweet. 29 days is awesome but you still got shit you need to deal with and encounter. Booze has wrecked more quits than you know. My opinion... Trying to fill the hole that dip has left, with alcohol, is just about the most dumbass thing you can do! Don't try to be cool... Don't try to defy our tried and true suggestions. Be smart... Be quit.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
Dixon.... While I am glad that you have been able to drink and stay quit, We warn against it because we have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of people cave because they got too drunk and gave into there urge to put poison in there bodies. I love to drink and do so regularly, but I also know that it lowers resolve and you have to use caution. I think most people who are new in there quit, struggle with drinking and should avoid it until they get some strength behind there quit! Do whatever works for you but understand that it is an issue that needs to be cautioned!
Dixson... I'm gonna add to Jake's post here. Loose the frat boy attitude, toot sweet. 29 days is awesome but you still got shit you need to deal with and encounter. Booze has wrecked more quits than you know. My opinion... Trying to fill the hole that dip has left, with alcohol, is just about the most dumbass thing you can do! Don't try to be cool... Don't try to defy our tried and true suggestions. Be smart... Be quit.
DD911.... I'm sorry that I have to use your thread to say the following because I know it does nothing to help your quit....
DIXON..... You have been a member for almost a month and I cannot see anywhere that you EVER posted roll in ANY group! You have 2 posts to your name in 27 days! You are not to be posting in the intros unless you have posted roll for the day! Until you follow the rules of the site, you need to leave your advice about changing site topics to yourself! You have not earned the right yet. Go post roll and be quit! If you want to reply to this post, feel free to copy and paste the conversation over to my thread.
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wow. i actually feel like crap just from reading strangers replies. Ive posted in roll and have not touched my can all day. im going to do this.
Everyone here will be more than glad to support you now that you've decided to post roll and quit. Now you are part of ktc. While you were knuckle deep in a can you were on the outside looking in. Glad to have you.
Its going to be tough for a while, but its worth it and you can do it. I'm 164 days quit and so happy about my decision.
Now you mentioned you like drinking a bit on the weekends. How bad do you want this? You have to reeeeaaaally want this in order to succeed. Alcohol will kill a quit quick. Succeeding may cost a few weekends of sobriety. What are you willing to do? You have to take your life back, the poison is not just going to give it back.
If you need anything shoot me a pm. Glad to be quit with you.
I strongly advocate this site not being so anti drinking for the first 100 days nicotine free. I would have freaking gone crazy the first 2 weeks without drinking on my quit.
I am 29 days quit and will never cave! I have gone thru hell the past several weeks.
This shit ain't fun and only pussy's dont quit!!!!!
Dixon.... While I am glad that you have been able to drink and stay quit, We warn against it because we have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of people cave because they got too drunk and gave into there urge to put poison in there bodies. I love to drink and do so regularly, but I also know that it lowers resolve and you have to use caution. I think most people who are new in there quit, struggle with drinking and should avoid it until they get some strength behind there quit! Do whatever works for you but understand that it is an issue that needs to be cautioned!
Dixson... I'm gonna add to Jake's post here. Loose the frat boy attitude, toot sweet. 29 days is awesome but you still got shit you need to deal with and encounter. Booze has wrecked more quits than you know. My opinion... Trying to fill the hole that dip has left, with alcohol, is just about the most dumbass thing you can do! Don't try to be cool... Don't try to defy our tried and true suggestions. Be smart... Be quit.
DD911.... I'm sorry that I have to use your thread to say the following because I know it does nothing to help your quit....
DIXON..... You have been a member for almost a month and I cannot see anywhere that you EVER posted roll in ANY group! You have 2 posts to your name in 27 days! You are not to be posting in the intros unless you have posted roll for the day! Until you follow the rules of the site, you need to leave your advice about changing site topics to yourself! You have not earned the right yet. Go post roll and be quit! If you want to reply to this post, feel free to copy and paste the conversation over to my thread.
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@Evil (Take this however you like) This isnt intended as an excuse but that post is an error on my part. I dont get home until 1130pm. I did not cave until after effing around in chat. It would have been August 1 when I actually caved. In fact if you go to page five (5) and look at the day it was posted you will see that I posted it on August second(2). "Last night" would be August first, not july 31.
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@Evil (Take this however you like) This isnt intended as an excuse but that post is an error on my part. I dont get home until 1130pm. I did not cave until after effing around in chat. It would have been August 1 when I actually caved. In fact if you go to page five (5) and look at the day it was posted you will see that I posted it on August second(2). "Last night" would be August first, not july 31.
Just keep quitting Dave. Post roll. Keep your word. Repeat.
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@Evil (Take this however you like) This isnt intended as an excuse but that post is an error on my part. I dont get home until 1130pm. I did not cave until after effing around in chat. It would have been August 1 when I actually caved. In fact if you go to page five (5) and look at the day it was posted you will see that I posted it on August second(2). "Last night" would be August first, not july 31.
Just keep quitting Dave. Post roll. Keep your word. Repeat.
I will vouch for him, he planned his cave from probably around 10:00am (my time) for the next day. He did not post roll, I went looking for him with no response to texts or pm's. Biggest planned cave I have ever seen.
I am glad you are back, I am glad you are posting roll, post roll every damn day and keep your word.
'nuf said
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Dave,
You have been called out, challenged, and supported by numerous people. The onus is now on you to come back and prove people right that you can do this the right way and prove people wrong that you quit at quitting.Â
I hope, for your sake, that you make the right decision.
dippin dave-
Either get all the way in or GTFO. You can be a bad ass quitter, but it won't happen until you drink the kool aide, follow the KTC recipe AND man up and be honest with yourself. Get over your anger at fellow quitters, channel it toward your real foe which is nicotine...
I've been watching you Dave. I've seen you post 6 straight days. I believe that you are on board. Reading the more recent comments, I get why you are pissed off. Channel that anger. Use the nasty comments to fuel your quit.
DD911... You need to buckle down and get serious here. Part of that is admitting that by doing it on your own you caved quicker than a good dump takes. What's it gonna be dude!?
I hope that you find your niche to quit. It may even be here. I have seen wierder things happen. But you are in need of a severe attitude change.
When I first joined KTC, I was a special butterfly. I did not take my quit seriously. I did not 100% want to quit, and the small amount that I did, was not for myself. For 5 days I played the KTC game. I posted roll, I posted in my intro, sometimes multiple times per day. I made use of Live Chat and I got contacts. That seems pretty convincing, no? Thats the problem. I got lost in a "game" that I had no intention of following through with.
Since I didnt care if I passed or failed, I went right back to dipping. Then I stopped posting roll. Then i stopped posting my intro. Then I stopped posting. Im not going to go into it again. Im tired of looking through my intro just to see all this drama.
I want to share something that happened at work today. It made me open my eyes to what has been going on this whole time that ive been too blind and ignorant to see.
I work in a factory. My line (department) has 10 people, each running their own machine. There are 4 of us that get along like best friends. We dont know each other beyond that we work together. We are a team. We dont work on the same machine together, but through our teamwork we indirectly help each other. Anyway,
Today two people called out. One was not a problem. The second one was one of our group. He said he would be in late. As the night progressed, we learned that he would not be in at all. He probably will not have a job, as he calls in quite often. But he is still part of our group. A stranger. Yet I would gladly do anything I could to help him. Even though he works a different machine, the three of us (on three separate machines) worked below average.
Its no different with KTC. And im just seeing it now. Before I laughed (and if you go back far enough you will find that post) at the thought of opening up my heart to strangers. Or helping another stranger open their hearts. But it all makes sense now. Different as we may be, we are still the same. We are all addicts. A lawyer is not much help for an addict. But an addict can be a great help. (Last two paragraphs sounded much better in my head...deal with it)
Moral of the story:
You really cant go at it alone. Take away your support and its just you. What happens if you fall? Your not getting up on your own. If you try, and ill tell you from experience, you will only succeed in digging a very deep hole. Atleast use the buddy system. Get atleast one other person to run with you. The more the merrier. Strangers or life long friends, you dont want to get caught by yourself.
So what are you going to do differently now? What is your quit plan? I didnt see anything addressing that.....
DD911,
Believe it or not, no one here wants you to fail again. There has been a lot of good advice given to you here and in Chat. If you were unwanted you would be ignored.
Answering the three questions is important to do. Thoughtful, deep, meaningful answers will not only help you to dig in for this long fight, but will also help others. Being combative will get you nowhere, whether you start or just feed it with a response. Getting involved on KTC in constructive ways will strengthen your quit and reestablish your credibility over time.
I'm probably one of those mean guys you are talking about. And I'm not going to go all warm and fuzzy on you yet. But Evil is absolutely right, no one wants to see you fail here.
I read your answers to the three questions and your other posts and can't help but see addict speak all over them still. Because I am an addict, I know it when I see it. We've not yet seen much evidence that you are approaching this quit much differently than before. Your answers to the 3 questions show little promise of a quit being built. If you think simply posting roll most days (or every day) and not investing in the other tools will keep you quit, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm glad you are posting.Lose the attitude, spend time learning all the tools KTC has to offer. Use them.
Try to focus on the real quitters rather than the special butterflies, the butterflies rarely stick around long...
Quit better.
Dave, you don't just get to go back to day 1. You have to tell us what happened, why, what you will do different this time. We need to believe you when you tell us that you are quit. It's what this entire website is built around.
(1) What happened?
(2) Why did it happen?
(3) What are you doing differently this time?
1. What happened? I "caved". Five days into a half-assed quit, I did what most people would call caving. Im calling it starting back up after a short break. If I was as committed to my quit as I told everyone, myself included that I was, THAT would have been caving.
2. Why did it happen? I was not fully commited to my quit. I did not 100% take that step leap. I did not use my contacts and I abused the chat system. I was not ready to quit.
3. What am I doing differently this time? I have posted roll for 7 days straight. I am going to resume my journal (intro) where I left off before the drama. I utilize chat every night when I get home from work. I text a few of my contacts daily, even if its just to say HELLO. I am going to take my quit One Day At A Time and QLF! I am going to pay it forward and post in other peoples intros. I wanted to make sure I was fully onboard and serious before doing so.
I want to give back to others that which was given to me. I regret not taking this seriously before now.
I am quit with ParadigmDawg and all of November. Hell, Im quit with everyone!
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I like what you wrote here Dave. I hope you're not just getting better at lying to us, haha.
With caving and drama and 9 effing pages of intro comments, it's easy to lose track of what this is about: YOUR QUIT. I quit with you Dave. You can do this. You ARE doing this. Use your tools and quit on.
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Ef'ing A Dave!
Now we can fight this little bitch together!!!!!!
I quit with you.
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Go Prove it Dave! Own it.
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Great post Dave. Now live it.
We will be watching :ph43r: .
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Now... Here we go! Let's do this man!
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What a nice surprise this AM............ I thought we were :deadhorse: because this one was a :scowick: He had everyone on here 'bang head' 'bang head' 'bang head' and 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy' because we thought that this guy was 'jerk'
Turns out that there is some quit in this one and proof that the KTC formula Works!!
Here is to one week of Freedom my friend!!
'Cheers' 'Cheers' 'Cheers'
Taste it, Love it and Hate NIC.
shocker
J
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This was a GREAT read this morning..... Let the fun begin!
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Sounds like we have a baptism of sorts here...now go get it put your head down pin your ears back and go after your quit
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Wow....just wow. You get it! Great post! Lets watch you win this.
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Outstanding. Welcome to being a Quitter. See you in Chat.
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Awesome Dave! I just got chills from your honest words. Sometimes revelations come when we least expect them. Glad you were willing to accept it and not allow the weed to persuade you otherwise. Special Butterflies cave..as you mentioned. KTC members who drink the kool-aid become BADASS QUITTERS. Look at all of them that posted on your page before I did. Damn it tastes good! Quack!Quack!
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I've got to find help quick. My quit wood is so hard and I can't get rid of it. Please mean this, please or I will lose my hard on. You can gain your freedom if you keep this approach. I will quit with you continuously and and hard as we can quit if you will let me.
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I've got to find help quick. My quit wood is so hard and I can't get rid of it. Please mean this, please or I will lose my hard on. You can gain your freedom if you keep this approach. I will quit with you continuously and and hard as we can quit if you will let me.
ghey.
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I've got to find help quick. My quit wood is so hard and I can't get rid of it. Please mean this, please or I will lose my hard on. You can gain your freedom if you keep this approach. I will quit with you continuously and and hard as we can quit if you will let me.
ghey.
Don't worry Dave....it's only awkward if you fight it! 'crackup'
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yeah buddy. pm'd you my number. lets stick together on this one.
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yeah buddy. pm'd you my number. lets stick together on this one.
Gorilla and I both brother. Get yourself accountable in the group. Make sure at least 10 people in November have your number. You said 100%. Now lets get you involved big time so you can write one hell of a HOF speach when the time comes. ODAAT
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yeah buddy. pm'd you my number. lets stick together on this one.
Gorilla and I both brother. Get yourself accountable in the group. Make sure at least 10 people in November have your number. You said 100%. Now lets get you involved big time so you can write one hell of a HOF speach when the time comes. ODAAT
QUIT ON BROTHER!
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okay ... first ... let me post this
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This post has been edited by CleanFuel on Jul 28, 2013, 9:03 am
DD.......here is the deal....i actually think you have a badass quitter in you...i cant tell....you are teasing me....just man up..72 hours.......thats it.....you get me? step up....STEP UP.....YOU ARE THE VOICE......#letsdothis
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so - i knew there was a sleeping giant in DD.....yet......
DD - still think you have a #badass #quitter in you....but I am not convinced by this one super inspired post.....but it doesn't matter if I am convinced or not.....
I am never a big fan of super testosterone loaded intros or massive eye-opening transformational reversals as you posted
#boring #predictable
but.....so so so happy you have had an awakening....now its time to settle in.....drop the drama.... grab some peace of mind....#youownthebtichnow.......and just don't put that mother fucking poison in your mouth ever again
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'oh yeah' everybody's quitting for the weekend! 'oh yeah'
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went and saw Jet Cars Under The Stars at the New England Dragway last night. That was friggin amazing! Whoever had the genius idea of putting jet engines in cars deserves a big thumbs up! never heard or seen anything as cool as that in my life!
Jet Fuel Dragsters (http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/u/unruly/121-800.jpg)
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went and saw Jet Cars Under The Stars at the New England Dragway last night. That was friggin amazing! Whoever had the genius idea of putting jet engines in cars deserves a big thumbs up! never heard or seen anything as cool as that in my life!
Jet Fuel Dragsters (http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/u/unruly/121-800.jpg)
No doubt on the jet engines... so how is the quit goin bro?
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its goin great. the fake stuff is really gettin me through
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its goin great. the fake stuff is really gettin me through
retraining the mind and body takes some time and there will be some nasty bumps and dips in the road so get your head on a swivel
I still have a can of Hooch Classic for emergencies.
keep it up man
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I'll have to admit that when I clicked on the thread, I thought it was about a porn flick I watched in the 80's....oh well. Since I'm already here, hang in there DD911. Glad to be quit with you. Post with the BOMB (May12) if you want another helping of quit.
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hey all, havent posted in a couple days.
tomorrow i got a doctor appointment to get my heart looked at. Endoscopy or something like that. Get to be conscious while a camera is pushed down my throat. cant wait. did i mention 13 hours with no food or water? ugh anyway thats my quick update. bed is callin my name.
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hey all, havent posted in a couple days.
tomorrow i got a doctor appointment to get my heart looked at. Endoscopy or something like that. Get to be conscious while a camera is pushed down my throat. cant wait. did i mention 13 hours with no food or water? ugh anyway thats my quick update. bed is callin my name.
First of all, prayers for tomorrow.
Secondly, why haven't you posted for a few days?
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hey all, havent posted in a couple days.
tomorrow i got a doctor appointment to get my heart looked at. Endoscopy or something like that. Get to be conscious while a camera is pushed down my throat. cant wait. did i mention 13 hours with no food or water? ugh anyway thats my quick update. bed is callin my name.
First of all, prayers for tomorrow.
Secondly, why haven't you posted for a few days?
WP, non-dippin-dave has posted roll everyday since his cave. I think he means he has not posted in his intro in a few days.
And NDD911, I can't wish you "luck" because it is what it is. Nearly impossible to do, but don't worry unless you have something to worry about. As was mentioned in Chat last night, leaking heart valves are easy fixed with minimal down-time. IF that's what it really is. Keep us posted.
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hey all, havent posted in a couple days.
tomorrow i got a doctor appointment to get my heart looked at. Endoscopy or something like that. Get to be conscious while a camera is pushed down my throat. cant wait. did i mention 13 hours with no food or water? ugh anyway thats my quick update. bed is callin my name.
First of all, prayers for tomorrow.
Secondly, why haven't you posted for a few days?
WP, non-dippin-dave has posted roll everyday since his cave. I think he means he has not posted in his intro in a few days.
And NDD911, I can't wish you "luck" because it is what it is. Nearly impossible to do, but don't worry unless you have something to worry about. As was mentioned in Chat last night, leaking heart valves are easy fixed with minimal down-time. IF that's what it really is. Keep us posted.
Sounds like you are having a TEE transthoracic endoscopic echocardiogram the procedure itself isn't too bad they put you in a twilight sleep and numb your throat they wont just jam the scope down your throat without any sedation. If it a heart problem the US is one of the best places in the world to have heart issues...long story short Keep your head up like Evil says it is what it is. Knowing is half the battle
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yes traum it was a transesophageal echocardiogram. And they did shove it down there before i was sedated, resulting in me puking all over myself. anyway....results were good. no problems. just as i suspected, doctors taking advantage of any situation they can just to get my money.
and yes wp ive been posting roll everyday as evil mentioned. just havent been to my intro in a while.
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anyone looking for a free anti virus software, this one is good so far. if i can get enough friends to download it (even if you turn around and uninstall) i can upgrade for free. make sure you use the link.
(Sorry to post this in here, I normally hate when people do this.)
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and yes wp ive been posting roll everyday as evil mentioned. just havent been to my intro in a while.
WHAT THE FUCK DAVE? You missed roll call yesterday. I checked and there was no bump. You aren't there. I thought you learned your lesson. I thought you were protecting your quit. Explain here and on roll call.
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and yes wp ive been posting roll everyday as evil mentioned. just havent been to my intro in a while.
WHAT THE FUCK DAVE? You missed roll call yesterday. I checked and there was no bump. You aren't there. I thought you learned your lesson. I thought you were protecting your quit. Explain here and on roll call.
seriously bean? like i told cbird the world doesnt stop spinning so i can get on here to post roll. most of the time i do put my quit as number one but sometimes shit happens. i cant tell the doctors to wait because i have to log on to a website and make a promise to a bunch of babies i dont even know. i cant tell work, ya ill be in late. i cant tell my mechanic id rather just continue to drive around with no brakes. SHIT HAPPENS THAT I CANT CONTROL. SHUT THE FUCK UP and move on. i posted today and yesterday was tobaccotine free.
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and yes wp ive been posting roll everyday as evil mentioned. just havent been to my intro in a while.
WHAT THE FUCK DAVE? You missed roll call yesterday. I checked and there was no bump. You aren't there. I thought you learned your lesson. I thought you were protecting your quit. Explain here and on roll call.
seriously bean? like i told cbird the world doesnt stop spinning so i can get on here to post roll. most of the time i do put my quit as number one but sometimes shit happens. i cant tell the doctors to wait because i have to log on to a website and make a promise to a bunch of babies i dont even know. i cant tell work, ya ill be in late. i cant tell my mechanic id rather just continue to drive around with no brakes. SHIT HAPPENS THAT I CANT CONTROL. SHUT THE FUCK UP and move on. i posted today and yesterday was tobaccotine free.
Dave, you don't get it. If we all shut the fuck up, you might as well leave here and never come back. Why don't you just get a piece of paper and write down your day on it. The paper won't talk back. Are you really trying to say that posting roll takes 40 minutes every day? NO. It can take 40 seconds to send me a text. I gave you my number. But you don't want to be accountable so you don't give yours out (correct me if I'm wrong. If you gave me the number, I didn't get it entered into my phone. That would be my fault) On a busy day, I do it on my phone during my morning shit. Are you saying that your day is so busy that you don't take a morning shit? No you are just giving excuses because you don't understand yet how valuable your quit is. YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT? Well, now I see why. You don't understand and you try to push people away that are here to help. Well guess what. You are in November! You are going to have to do MUCH better than that to push me away. Post every day or I'll continue to get on your ass. Otherwise, what's the point?
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
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and yes wp ive been posting roll everyday as evil mentioned. just havent been to my intro in a while.
WHAT THE FUCK DAVE? You missed roll call yesterday. I checked and there was no bump. You aren't there. I thought you learned your lesson. I thought you were protecting your quit. Explain here and on roll call.
seriously bean? like i told cbird the world doesnt stop spinning so i can get on here to post roll. most of the time i do put my quit as number one but sometimes shit happens. i cant tell the doctors to wait because i have to log on to a website and make a promise to a bunch of babies i dont even know. i cant tell work, ya ill be in late. i cant tell my mechanic id rather just continue to drive around with no brakes. SHIT HAPPENS THAT I CANT CONTROL. SHUT THE FUCK UP and move on. i posted today and yesterday was tobaccotine free.
That's a great attitude! Roll takes 30 seconds! Come up with any excuse you want, But 30 seconds is never too much time. If it was a dip of chew you would have had the time to stop at a store and buy a tin if you were out. This is all about priorities! Get some!
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YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT?
excuse me? i caved ONCE. this is exactly what im talking about.
'Finger' 'Finger' FUCK YOU 'Finger' 'Finger'
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ok the last day really has to make me laugh. Dave I am not gonna take shots at you for missing a day. Yes I understand that life happens.
But what I am gonna take a shot at is it seems like nothing is being learned.
1 - Accountability - yes the posting roll, the getting online and giving your word is essential. BUT you have to remember that is only ONE way of fufilling this. There are others and that would be to text a brother to give your word and to have them do the technology and put it in writing for you.
2 - Being Active on the site - this is a statement that we make. Being active is not only the being online, the reading....BUT this is the 2nd point and that is Brotherhood. Becoming friends with those in your group and throughout the site. We all have tons in common and by finding this out, by reaching out to others, this is the active that helps keep us all quit.
Its been said....take what you need and leave the rest....
Well we know how hard it is to quit by ourselves, that is why we are here, so think about it, we know you want to quit for yourself, but now is the time to buckle down, don't go anywhere, and follow what those have laid before us.
Quit On.
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ok the last day really has to make me laugh. Dave I am not gonna take shots at you for missing a day. Yes I understand that life happens.
But what I am gonna take a shot at is it seems like nothing is being learned.
1 - Accountability - yes the posting roll, the getting online and giving your word is essential. BUT you have to remember that is only ONE way of fufilling this. There are others and that would be to text a brother to give your word and to have them do the technology and put it in writing for you.
2 - Being Active on the site - this is a statement that we make. Being active is not only the being online, the reading....BUT this is the 2nd point and that is Brotherhood. Becoming friends with those in your group and throughout the site. We all have tons in common and by finding this out, by reaching out to others, this is the active that helps keep us all quit.
Its been said....take what you need and leave the rest....
Well we know how hard it is to quit by ourselves, that is why we are here, so think about it, we know you want to quit for yourself, but now is the time to buckle down, don't go anywhere, and follow what those have laid before us.
Quit On.
You miss roll, one of your November quit brothers throws a bit of heat at you... now you are running quitting. That is ridiculous.
Read your Aug 8th post again. Then read all the support you got following that post.
You need to own it, or you will be owned. It is up to you.
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YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT?
excuse me? i caved ONCE. this is exactly what im talking about.
'Finger' 'Finger' FUCK YOU 'Finger' 'Finger'
Eeeeeeaaasssssyyyyy big Dave. Dabean is coming on stronger than Jake in a gay bar, but you're going to leave the sight because of it?
Come on bro.
I wasn't a 100% roll poster either and yes people would get on my ass about it, and yes it would annoy me and Id play the "I have a life card".
However you must remember they are doing it because they care, even if its a little over the top sometimes. The minute you don't post roll or go missing for a bit and nobody checks up on you, is the minute you know nobody cares about you.
I recently took a big step back from the forums and I got a bunch of pm's and texts asking if I was ok. People cared. Felt good.
Some people/things will rub you wrong on here from time to time. Right or wrong, there's nothing wrong with fighting back, but you gotta remember they are usually doing because they care.
Leaving the site because of it...well that's just plain silly.
Brush it off and keep on posting.
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YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT?
excuse me? i caved ONCE. this is exactly what im talking about.
'Finger' 'Finger' FUCK YOU 'Finger' 'Finger'
Eeeeeeaaasssssyyyyy big Dave. Dabean is coming on stronger than Jake in a gay bar, but you're going to leave the sight because of it?
Come on bro.
I wasn't a 100% roll poster either and yes people would get on my ass about it, and yes it would annoy me and Id play the "I have a life card".
However you must remember they are doing it because they care, even if its a little over the top sometimes. The minute you don't post roll or go missing for a bit and nobody checks up on you, is the minute you know nobody cares about you.
I recently took a big step back from the forums and I got a bunch of pm's and texts asking if I was ok. People cared. Felt good.
Some people/things will rub you wrong on here from time to time. Right or wrong, there's nothing wrong with fighting back, but you gotta remember they are usually doing because they care.
Leaving the site because of it...well that's just plain silly.
Brush it off and keep on posting.
'Finger' DIESEL! I come on with style!
DD911.... Bro I have to believe you are smarter then leaving over getting a little heat! Heat is good! Accountability is people caring enough to question us! Roll with it and grow!
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YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT?
excuse me? i caved ONCE. this is exactly what im talking about.
'Finger' 'Finger' FUCK YOU 'Finger' 'Finger'
Eeeeeeaaasssssyyyyy big Dave. Dabean is coming on stronger than Jake in a gay bar, but you're going to leave the sight because of it?
Come on bro.
I wasn't a 100% roll poster either and yes people would get on my ass about it, and yes it would annoy me and Id play the "I have a life card".
However you must remember they are doing it because they care, even if its a little over the top sometimes. The minute you don't post roll or go missing for a bit and nobody checks up on you, is the minute you know nobody cares about you.
I recently took a big step back from the forums and I got a bunch of pm's and texts asking if I was ok. People cared. Felt good.
Some people/things will rub you wrong on here from time to time. Right or wrong, there's nothing wrong with fighting back, but you gotta remember they are usually doing because they care.
Leaving the site because of it...well that's just plain silly.
Brush it off and keep on posting.
Exactly what diesel said. It's called accountability. I was a HOFer in march 2012. When I decided to stop posting did anybody call or text me? No one did because I knew no one on the site. I hid from the site all day except to post roll. Today if I don't post roll my phone would blow up. That's what I need. We all need that level of accountability. Make the right choice and post everyday
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YOU are the one that caved TWICE, RIGHT?
excuse me? i caved ONCE. this is exactly what im talking about.
'Finger' 'Finger' FUCK YOU 'Finger' 'Finger'
Eeeeeeaaasssssyyyyy big Dave. Dabean is coming on stronger than Jake in a gay bar, but you're going to leave the sight because of it?
Come on bro.
I wasn't a 100% roll poster either and yes people would get on my ass about it, and yes it would annoy me and Id play the "I have a life card".
However you must remember they are doing it because they care, even if its a little over the top sometimes. The minute you don't post roll or go missing for a bit and nobody checks up on you, is the minute you know nobody cares about you.
I recently took a big step back from the forums and I got a bunch of pm's and texts asking if I was ok. People cared. Felt good.
Some people/things will rub you wrong on here from time to time. Right or wrong, there's nothing wrong with fighting back, but you gotta remember they are usually doing because they care.
Leaving the site because of it...well that's just plain silly.
Brush it off and keep on posting.
Exactly what diesel said. It's called accountability. I was a HOFer in march 2012. When I decided to stop posting did anybody call or text me? No one did because I knew no one on the site. I hid from the site all day except to post roll. Today if I don't post roll my phone would blow up. That's what I need. We all need that level of accountability. Make the right choice and post everyday
I can see your hostility with bean. Don't let your pride Get in the way. I don't know bean, but i do know he's taking an active roll in your group. It also sounds to me like he's checking on you, which last time i heard means he cares about you and your quit.
If someone calls you out for not posting take it for what it is, you know,, the accountability that is so important in your quit. The promise you need to make edd as an addict.
You need this site!! You know it and i know it.
Hope you stay. Don't let bull crap get in the way of your quit. Take what you need and leave the rest.
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Dave, sometimes I am an ass hole. Sometimes I come I too strong. I have no problem owning up to my faults. What I want to know is other than thinking you caved twice (I misunderstood... My bad), what is it that I said that was wrong? It only takes a couple minutes to post or a couple seconds to send a text to have someone post for you. If you don't think its importiant enough to take that amount of time then I feel sorry for your quit.
About a year ago I had a lame attempt to stop smoking (before I actually understood my addiction). During dinner my wife and I were having a disagreement and somehow I got it in my head that this argument was the most importiant thing in the world. I would not let it go. (My stubborn wife will never back down either so it was gearing up to be the biggest fight ever). I kept it up until she said, just get out of here and go buy some cigarettes.
I now realize that I created something out of nothing to make my wife so mad that she would say that. I engineered my own failure.
Dont you dare use me as an excuse to fail.
You caved but came right back. For some reason that put you on my radar and I was pulling for you. When you didnt post it pissed me off and I came on too strong. When you just came back with excuses and no apologies and seemingly no care at all, it set me off. I don't want that attitude to spread to the others.
If i found out that my son started any form of nicotine, it would piss me off to no end. I love my son 100 times more than you but that's still more than enough for me be disappointed when it looks like you don't take this seriously enough.
Here's the deal. If you are so pissed at me that you won't come back, say the word and ill back off you and never speak a word to or about you. If thats what you need to stay here, fine. PM me and tell me that you'll stay if i back off. (I can't speak for the others though)
QLFEDD
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Dabean22 text me and asked me why the f i didnt post roll! Thats a freaking community. I love this place. Anyone ever needs someone to lean on pm me and ill give you my number. Dabean22 has been really helpful for me. Keep on quittin!
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I posted roll yesterday for DD911, I was then bumped later by the next poster a full minute after I posted. I check for bumps but I sure as hell don't hang out all fucking day to make sure the next guy doesn't fuck it up.
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I posted roll yesterday for DD911, I was then bumped later by the next poster a full minute after I posted. I check for bumps but I sure as hell don't hang out all fucking day to make sure the next guy doesn't fuck it up.
Bumps happen. Don't worry about it.
I've honestly wondered why people get so upset about being bumped. First of all, it's easy to prove that you posted. You know approximately what time you posted. Go back, pull that post, and send it to the spreadsheet guys. And, around mid day, each group should be posting a list of those missing for the day. If you look at this list, and then go to that member's profile, it states exactly what time that person was last year. Go back and look and fix the bump for them!
Posting roll is not heresay. There is some written proof it was done.
Now, with that said, I know we are "badass" here. There's a lot of funny people that can write some wonderfully memoral lines. However, this is not an insult site. The quit comes first. Be badass, but don't tear down somebody and their quit just to be manly. Build them up with some hard truths.
This site is based on accountability. Have as many people watching your back as possible.
If you want to quit (that is).
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Excellent, glad to see your post Dave! The emotional roller coaster while quitting can really suck. Sometimes things happen, people make mistakes, but what it comes down to is staying quit. This site is here for you brother. We're here for you. Glad to be quit with you.
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I'm just regurgitating WP and Srans, but follow two simple rules here and you'll be nicotine free for life and will credit KTC for your quit.
1. Post roll EVERY day
2. Never use nicotine
If people are bustin' your balls even though you've followed those two rules? Don't sweat it. From time to time you need to fix getting bumped but it's a minor nuisance at worst.
Keep adding +1s.
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What a nice surprise this AM............ I thought we were :deadhorse: because this one was a :scowick: He had everyone on here 'bang head' 'bang head' 'bang head' and 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy' because we thought that this guy was 'jerk'Â
Turns out that there is some quit in this one and proof that the KTC formula Works!!
Here is to one week of Freedom my friend!!
'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'
Taste it, Love it and Hate NIC.
shocker
J
Was I wrong?
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What a nice surprise this AM............ I thought we were :deadhorse: because this one was a :scowick: He had everyone on here 'bang head' 'bang head' 'bang head' and 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy' because we thought that this guy was 'jerk'Â
Turns out that there is some quit in this one and proof that the KTC formula Works!!
Here is to one week of Freedom my friend!!
'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'
Taste it, Love it and Hate NIC.
shocker
J
Was I wrong?
He is postin roll and taking names! I think he has it in him to keep going!
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
WTF Dave?
Are you really gonna bail from the site because someone pointed out you hadn't posted and then got on you? You are gonna run away because someone was mean?
Do you want to be quit or not?
If so, get in here and post roll every day. Call/text a brother to do it for you if you can't. If that seems to great a burden, then you haven't learned much about quitting and don't have what it takes to be a quitter anyway...
Missing roll one day isn't the end of the world, but it is the start of missing roll multiple days and beyond. In nearly every case a cave is planned (conciously or not), and step one is to not be on roll...
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
WTF Dave?
Are you really gonna bail from the site because someone pointed out you hadn't posted and then got on you? You are gonna run away because someone was mean?
Do you want to be quit or not?
If so, get in here and post roll every day. Call/text a brother to do it for you if you can't. If that seems to great a burden, then you haven't learned much about quitting and don't have what it takes to be a quitter anyway...
Missing roll one day isn't the end of the world, but it is the start of missing roll multiple days and beyond. In nearly every case a cave is planned (conciously or not), and step one is to not be on roll...
I gotta piggy back on what Tcell said running away cause someone was mean isn't kewl. Peeps are sometimes mean here because all the other methods to quit have failed and they recognize that a pattern is starting they see themselves in your behavior. I have used the get mad and act out on the friends/family in past when I got called out for using dip. See there isn't something new here that hasn't been tried before. An addict will always leave the door open even slightly. KTC teaches us how to slam the fuckin door.
I think you should be ecstatic that someone is giving a fuck about if you are quit. Ecstatic that someone is helping watch your quit until you can watch it for yourself.... I don't know the particulars of what happened nor do I care my thought is it is great that someone is looking out for you. So what if someone texts you and says are you gonna post roll. It does two things one if you know you posted already it alerts you, you got bumped. The second it lets you know you are part of something that is bigger than you...n that a pack of total strangers cares about you.
I text/PM vets if I see that their activity is dropped off and ask if they are ok and not once did I ever get back shut the fuck up leave me alone. They have all said thanks brother for watching my back.
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
WTF Dave?
Are you really gonna bail from the site because someone pointed out you hadn't posted and then got on you? You are gonna run away because someone was mean?
Do you want to be quit or not?
If so, get in here and post roll every day. Call/text a brother to do it for you if you can't. If that seems to great a burden, then you haven't learned much about quitting and don't have what it takes to be a quitter anyway...
Missing roll one day isn't the end of the world, but it is the start of missing roll multiple days and beyond. In nearly every case a cave is planned (conciously or not), and step one is to not be on roll...
I gotta piggy back on what Tcell said running away cause someone was mean isn't kewl. Peeps are sometimes mean here because all the other methods to quit have failed and they recognize that a pattern is starting they see themselves in your behavior. I have used the get mad and act out on the friends/family in past when I got called out for using dip. See there isn't something new here that hasn't been tried before. An addict will always leave the door open even slightly. KTC teaches us how to slam the fuckin door.
I think you should be ecstatic that someone is giving a fuck about if you are quit. Ecstatic that someone is helping watch your quit until you can watch it for yourself.... I don't know the particulars of what happened nor do I care my thought is it is great that someone is looking out for you. So what if someone texts you and says are you gonna post roll. It does two things one if you know you posted already it alerts you, you got bumped. The second it lets you know you are part of something that is bigger than you...n that a pack of total strangers cares about you.
I text/PM vets if I see that their activity is dropped off and ask if they are ok and not once did I ever get back shut the fuck up leave me alone. They have all said thanks brother for watching my back.
Not to step on toes, but i thought this was over. I talked with dave extensively on the phone that evening. I really think he's got a better handle on everything and doing well since the other day. I even noticed he posted up with dabean today. Maybe I'm missing something, i don't know.
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
WTF Dave?
Are you really gonna bail from the site because someone pointed out you hadn't posted and then got on you? You are gonna run away because someone was mean?
Do you want to be quit or not?
If so, get in here and post roll every day. Call/text a brother to do it for you if you can't. If that seems to great a burden, then you haven't learned much about quitting and don't have what it takes to be a quitter anyway...
Missing roll one day isn't the end of the world, but it is the start of missing roll multiple days and beyond. In nearly every case a cave is planned (conciously or not), and step one is to not be on roll...
I gotta piggy back on what Tcell said running away cause someone was mean isn't kewl. Peeps are sometimes mean here because all the other methods to quit have failed and they recognize that a pattern is starting they see themselves in your behavior. I have used the get mad and act out on the friends/family in past when I got called out for using dip. See there isn't something new here that hasn't been tried before. An addict will always leave the door open even slightly. KTC teaches us how to slam the fuckin door.
I think you should be ecstatic that someone is giving a fuck about if you are quit. Ecstatic that someone is helping watch your quit until you can watch it for yourself.... I don't know the particulars of what happened nor do I care my thought is it is great that someone is looking out for you. So what if someone texts you and says are you gonna post roll. It does two things one if you know you posted already it alerts you, you got bumped. The second it lets you know you are part of something that is bigger than you...n that a pack of total strangers cares about you.
I text/PM vets if I see that their activity is dropped off and ask if they are ok and not once did I ever get back shut the fuck up leave me alone. They have all said thanks brother for watching my back.
Not to step on toes, but i thought this was over. I talked with dave extensively on the phone that evening. I really think he's got a better handle on everything and doing well since the other day. I even noticed he posted up with dabean today. Maybe I'm missing something, i don't know.
I hope that is true. If so, he needs to come post in his own intro so his goodbye to KTC isn't his last post...
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well, im out. if you seriously expect me to apologize for having a life then obviously im in the wrong place. wish everyone goodluck with their quit but i will not be back. anyone reading this make sure you post roll everyday or you will suffer.
shit i thought everything was starting to go good but now i firmly believe the "supporters" are not here to support you, but to MAKE you want to leave. Dont get on anyones bad side cause they will keep pushing and pushing until you fall off the edge.
good luck quitting everyone. ill be quitting from the sidelines.
WTF Dave?
Are you really gonna bail from the site because someone pointed out you hadn't posted and then got on you? You are gonna run away because someone was mean?
Do you want to be quit or not?
If so, get in here and post roll every day. Call/text a brother to do it for you if you can't. If that seems to great a burden, then you haven't learned much about quitting and don't have what it takes to be a quitter anyway...
Missing roll one day isn't the end of the world, but it is the start of missing roll multiple days and beyond. In nearly every case a cave is planned (conciously or not), and step one is to not be on roll...
I gotta piggy back on what Tcell said running away cause someone was mean isn't kewl. Peeps are sometimes mean here because all the other methods to quit have failed and they recognize that a pattern is starting they see themselves in your behavior. I have used the get mad and act out on the friends/family in past when I got called out for using dip. See there isn't something new here that hasn't been tried before. An addict will always leave the door open even slightly. KTC teaches us how to slam the fuckin door.
I think you should be ecstatic that someone is giving a fuck about if you are quit. Ecstatic that someone is helping watch your quit until you can watch it for yourself.... I don't know the particulars of what happened nor do I care my thought is it is great that someone is looking out for you. So what if someone texts you and says are you gonna post roll. It does two things one if you know you posted already it alerts you, you got bumped. The second it lets you know you are part of something that is bigger than you...n that a pack of total strangers cares about you.
I text/PM vets if I see that their activity is dropped off and ask if they are ok and not once did I ever get back shut the fuck up leave me alone. They have all said thanks brother for watching my back.
Not to step on toes, but i thought this was over. I talked with dave extensively on the phone that evening. I really think he's got a better handle on everything and doing well since the other day. I even noticed he posted up with dabean today. Maybe I'm missing something, i don't know.
I hope that is true. If so, he needs to come post in his own intro so his goodbye to KTC isn't his last post...
Let it go people. Everything has been straightened out and the man is posting role, no need to digdrama back up. It been squashed.
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Thank you srans and diesel. Everything has been resolved. Both of us reacted excessively towards one another and we have gotten over it. To quote jhaenel23, can we stop :deadhorse: ?
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Not sure if this is a known problem or just on my end, but when you are at the screen where you can edit your post, if you scroll all the way down and click:
Review the complete topic (launches new window) (http://127.0.0.1/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=8568)
nothing happens for me. I get an error that it cannot load. Specifically: Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 127.0.0.1
Try reloading the page
And if I try opening in a new tab I just get the "About: Blank"
Just though Id let y'all know. Happy Quittin!
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Not sure if this is a known problem or just on my end, but when you are at the screen where you can edit your post, if you scroll all the way down and click:
Review the complete topic (launches new window) (http://127.0.0.1/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=8568)
nothing happens for me. I get an error that it cannot load. Specifically: Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 127.0.0.1
Try reloading the page
And if I try opening in a new tab I just get the "About: Blank"
Just though Id let y'all know. Happy Quittin!
The short answer is don't click on the "Review the complete topic". If you need to edit your post do so and resubmit it with your changes.
The geeky answer is that the IP address 127.0.0.1 is a "loopback" address, or dumb address, for networking. It is any computer that you are in front of, or "home". If Chrome can't connect to 127.0.0.1 (your machine, tablet, ipad, etc.) then I would think that would be an issue with the either Chrome, some network configuration, or a faulty extension used by the Chrome browser. Try updating Chrome.
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thanks...
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Dave,
Using the roll sheet to make your political views known is going to create a very large problem. Using this site as a place to indicate that you want someone (anyone) do die is beyond not acceptable, it is abhorrent. When that person is the president, and you are flippant about suggesting his assassination, I believe that you should be removed from this site permanently.
You owe the entire group an apology for your actions.
If you clicked this link looking for an apology then let me apologize for what follows. I do not feel an apology is in order, so take this however you like.
Just like in chat, we hate when two people go and hide in private chat. I have only received two private messages, but why not put them on the table? First I will "apologize" to the sheep quoted above. I apologize for leading you into believing I was talking about our president. Please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe I once said anything about the "President." That is an assumption. My statement cannot truly have been that bad if you were thinking the same thing. Anywho, I apologize for my poor choice of words. I did not mean to fool you into thinking something else.
I don't want this to seem unfair so here is my reply to the above private message:
And using the roll sheet for making celebrity views is ok? Or changing any part of the roll call thread? Muff Divers? Naked sky diving? Im sorry to see that you are yet another of that bastards mindless pawns. Unaware to think for yourself and gullible to believe everything he tells you. I have a freedom of speech and I am going to exercise that right as much as I damn well please. How dare you demand an apology? Last time I checked you were not my god. No one said they were offended by it so maybe YOU are the one with the problem. You sir, need to WAKE UP to the world around you. Good day.
I apologize for making it sound as though I am speaking of the aforementioned "President." From now on, any statement I make that has the slightest possibility of being misconstrued as anything but what I intend, will include a disclaimer.
Oh, that's right. I forgot who I was talking to. You are the one that likes to throw names around instead of actually making a real point or addressing anything specifically. I could play the name game but I won't drop to your level.
1. There are complaints about using our area to address you political views. How did you miss them?
2. Changing the name to Muff Divers was one of the other months way to play a joke on us. (not my idea but I thought it was funny) No harm done. Changing the name of the spreadsheet to Naked Skydiving video and Beiber getting punched was an attempt to get some less active members to notice it and maybe see it for the first time. Again, no harm done, and no one was offended.
3. I agree that you are allowed to have your political views. This is not a public forum, therefore we do have a right to have guidelines of what is acceptable in here and what is not. There is a section in the Wild Card area that is for politics. Do you think that your statements will HELP anyones quit? No? I don't either. Keep them off our roll posts.
4. What you did could very easily be considered illegal and if so, you have exposed the entire site to possible legal action. What you did was stupid. As I tell people I know about what you said, every single person says almost the exact same thing. "What was he thinking". The interesting part is that most of them share your disdain for his actions. They still think you are crazy. You can (in the proper setting) disagree with any and all actions or words he says. That wouldn't really bother me but when you make comments that seem so completely threatening, that just shows how much you have broken from reality. What do you think statements like that will do? Absolutely nothing but piss off those around you and get the attention of the authorities (as it should). Those statements don't bring any positive attention to your point of view. They make you look like a nut that needs careful watching.
5. I do not have to be a god to deserve an apology. I'm fairly certain that being a god is not a requirement for deserving an apology. Your unnecessary comments did nothing to help me, or anyone here. If anything, they are distracting to the focus of what this site is for. THAT is what I'm expecting an apology for. I now know I won't get it. That's fine. It just shows me exactly the type of person you are. You expect everyone else to bend to your will. You can think that way all you want. It's a free country. Just don't express your political views on our roll call again. They aren't welcome.
BTW, did you really compare YOUR statements to me changing the spreadsheet name to "Naked Sky Diving Video"? Are you really unable to see the complete difference between the two? If not, I hope you are being watched. You deserve it.
Good Day
Numero Uno (disclaimer: I do not condone nor suggest using two languages in a single post, due to the fact that someone may or may not become confused by said language.) I apologize for not looking hard enough for these so called "complaints."
I found this one:There's a politics thread, you know. Let me know if you have any trouble finding it. It's in "wildcard." Lots of stuff in there to distract you from quitting the nic.
And this one:My two favorite groups to stay out of.
Religion Vs. The World
And the ever popular
Politics
Enter both or either at your own risk, but keep them out of your sanctuary.
And then there is within roll call:BudMan Day 43 - "King Obama.s Assasinatipn", has this become a political site?
detpack - Day 32 - I promise I won't use nicotine today. You have my word. I agree with BudMan, too. Can we please keep religion/politics off this thing - at least off the fucking spreadsheet?
Hell, I'll even give you this one: (even though it could be interpreted as anything or nothing)Winter Green - 30 - whaaaaat???
Number two. (disclaimer: The stuff a particular variety of bean is full of.)(disclaimer disclaimer: Any names or likeness to persons real or imagined is purely coincidence.) Before I apologize for my seemingly endless list of mistakes, might I bring the attention to this sentence:(not my idea but I thought it was funny)
So you thought this was funny. And you "think" what I put was offensive. You cannot accuse me of all this purely on opinion. If this is suddenly OK, then in my "OPINION," you should be apologizing to this entire group for starting shit. Oh, I know in your "opinion," you're not "starting shit," but actually doing what all the people who were offended by this failed to do. While we are on that, I apologize to all the people who were openly offended by my statement. For instance:
Maybe I am misinterpreting the recent naming of the spreadsheet, but it's not meant to be political, religious, or offensive; it's supposed to catch your eye so you are thinking about checking the spreadsheet. Budman and Detpack, I'm not calling you guys out at all, in fact, it's the opposite. It's great that you guys noticed that, because judging by the amount of people that still post a different day than the spreadsheet for roll, a lot of quitters don't even pay attention to anything going on on the roll call.
If the intent solely was to get quitter's to click on the link because of the inflammatory nature of the title of the link, then the approach was successful. Having said that, my mother told me at a very early age to refrain from discussing religion and politics in a public area-- a semi open forum as it relates here.
The intention was good--to get quitters to check the spreadsheet so that we all are posting the correct quit day. This is really easy to do, and should take up hardly any time at all. Also, I don't mind the link being named something provocative in order to catch quitters' eyes, as long as it has nothing to do with Justin Bieber. Justin is a golden god sent from heaven to bring his sweet music to the world to help foster unity and peace. Do NOT mess with "The Biebs." I will shut you down if you do so.
jrme1212 and PaddyMac02, I especially apologize to the both of you for any offense you may have taken. I assure you, I did not mean to offend. dabean22, you owe this group and apology for messing with The Biebs.
Three. I apologize for bringing attention to the spreadsheet. From now on I will leave that duty solely to the Supreme Overlord of the Spreadsheet. Let thyself bow down and grovel at thou feet. Let thy poor lips kiss thou mighty toes of pure greatness and let thou eternally torment thy living soul.
Four. I apologize for not going into further detail here, but there is so much venom in this one statement that I would be going on for hours. Again this whole statement summarizes your "opinion," if we both know opinions dont matter. Here or the real world. You can take my words and twist them however you like, but the only person convinced is yourself. And if others do start agreeing with your line of thought, then you have successfully succeeded in doing that which you chastise me for. There was nothing threatening about what was written. If anything was taken as threatening, it was a notion conceived purely within the bowels or your own mind. On another note, have you noticed how just about everything we do is illegal? Ill stop there, because frankly I would rather have this conversation with someone both willing and smart enough to listen and understand what I say. (disclaimer: the previous was in no way intended to suggest that one may be stupid.)
Five. Do I really need to repeat myself yet again? Fine. I apologize for having an opinion. I was unaware that I did not have that privilege nor that right. Aye Aye Captain, won't ever happen again.
And yes I did compare your opinion to my own. What was that saying? Something about building a bridge? Hmmm.... Anyway, in my opinion, you should think before you speak. I hope I was able to more specifically apologize to you personally. In my opinion, thats what you really wanted from the beginning. You don't care about the group. You are a special butterfly and choose to hide behind the group to make up for your own insecurities about something someone said that you didnt like.
Exempli Gratia: (disclaimer: see first disclaimer. Its hot and I'm tired.)
for the record, I re-named the spreadsheet to look like a naked skydiving video and one of Justin Bieber getting punched just to bring a little extra attention to the spreadsheet. Those 2 names are the only substitute names that I created. I do not use this area to speak to my political beliefs -dabean22
Are you seriously that concerned that someone might think you changed it yesterday?
.If you had left my promise the fuck alone you wouldnt have that insecurity now would you?.
Am I close? Who cares, its my opinion. It means absolutely nothing unless you make it mean something.
By the way, totally fine that you took the initiative to change the spreadsheet name, but don't you EVER edit my roll call for the day. EVER. No matter how offensive YOU find it. Irregardless of what the spreadsheet said, my promise for the day was so vague it could have been interpreted as anything. I want you to take a break from all that hard work demanding others to apologize 24/7, and demand that you yourself apologize to me for fucking with my promise. @dabean22, while we are on this subject, I want you to scroll up a little bit and highlight in between the two periods. Feeling real good about yourself right now arent you?
if someone were to purposely remove your post and anyone else's there would hell to pay!!
roll call is sacred - !!!
I would like to think that this applies to deleting a portion of my promise as well. I may be wrong. Just my OPINION on the topic. (Sorry, I know I said I was going to stop having opinions.)
In all truth, the assasination statement is a bad thing to do. I am asking you as an individual to not make anymore such statements on this site, and I am telling you as a mod not to.
It is true, things like that could cause us a problem.
David.
Message received. I apologize for the "assassination statement." Thanks for keeping it short and to the point. It already seems like im writing an apology book.
To everyone else who may have been offended by my opinion, I apologize. I should focus my opinions instead on the proven quit methods. Ahem, method. For there is only one way that works. No free thinking in here. Ha. I apologize for that. i'll wrap this up before I offend anyone else. A special apology to: PaddyMac02, jrme1212, gmann, Mjollnir, dabean22, BudMan, detpack, CBird65, Winter Green and The Biebs for being used in this massive apology without direct consent. Please don't sue me, I am poor white man. Also, MJ, to answer your first message, you can just assume yes as an answer, as the cretin has been redacted from the special thanks list.
Ya, I know, it's counter-productive to keep :deadhorse: but if you insist on constantly wasting my time whining about how your own views are clearly superior to anyone elses, I'm going to get a little bit ornery. 'worship'
I hope I was able to satisfy everything more specifically than just the few names I through out. I'm sure someone (dabean22) will demand more from me, but honestly, this whole thing is two hours of my life I will never get back.
Just like the seven years I spent enslaved to the bitch that I will never see again. Sorry, no refunds. Woo. Im done apologizing to you sorry excuses for quitters. Quit reading this and get posted! Im quit with anyone who accepts this for what it is: An opinion of an opinion based on an opinion of someone elses opinion. Quit Like Fuck Every Damn Day!
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Dave,
Using the roll sheet to make your political views known is going to create a very large problem. Using this site as a place to indicate that you want someone (anyone) do die is beyond not acceptable, it is abhorrent. When that person is the president, and you are flippant about suggesting his assassination, I believe that you should be removed from this site permanently.
You owe the entire group an apology for your actions.
If you clicked this link looking for an apology then let me apologize for what follows. I do not feel an apology is in order, so take this however you like.
Just like in chat, we hate when two people go and hide in private chat. I have only received two private messages, but why not put them on the table? First I will "apologize" to the sheep quoted above. I apologize for leading you into believing I was talking about our president. Please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe I once said anything about the "President." That is an assumption. My statement cannot truly have been that bad if you were thinking the same thing. Anywho, I apologize for my poor choice of words. I did not mean to fool you into thinking something else.
I don't want this to seem unfair so here is my reply to the above private message:
And using the roll sheet for making celebrity views is ok? Or changing any part of the roll call thread? Muff Divers? Naked sky diving? Im sorry to see that you are yet another of that bastards mindless pawns. Unaware to think for yourself and gullible to believe everything he tells you. I have a freedom of speech and I am going to exercise that right as much as I damn well please. How dare you demand an apology? Last time I checked you were not my god. No one said they were offended by it so maybe YOU are the one with the problem. You sir, need to WAKE UP to the world around you. Good day.
I apologize for making it sound as though I am speaking of the aforementioned "President." From now on, any statement I make that has the slightest possibility of being misconstrued as anything but what I intend, will include a disclaimer.
Oh, that's right. I forgot who I was talking to. You are the one that likes to throw names around instead of actually making a real point or addressing anything specifically. I could play the name game but I won't drop to your level.
1. There are complaints about using our area to address you political views. How did you miss them?
2. Changing the name to Muff Divers was one of the other months way to play a joke on us. (not my idea but I thought it was funny) No harm done. Changing the name of the spreadsheet to Naked Skydiving video and Beiber getting punched was an attempt to get some less active members to notice it and maybe see it for the first time. Again, no harm done, and no one was offended.
3. I agree that you are allowed to have your political views. This is not a public forum, therefore we do have a right to have guidelines of what is acceptable in here and what is not. There is a section in the Wild Card area that is for politics. Do you think that your statements will HELP anyones quit? No? I don't either. Keep them off our roll posts.
4. What you did could very easily be considered illegal and if so, you have exposed the entire site to possible legal action. What you did was stupid. As I tell people I know about what you said, every single person says almost the exact same thing. "What was he thinking". The interesting part is that most of them share your disdain for his actions. They still think you are crazy. You can (in the proper setting) disagree with any and all actions or words he says. That wouldn't really bother me but when you make comments that seem so completely threatening, that just shows how much you have broken from reality. What do you think statements like that will do? Absolutely nothing but piss off those around you and get the attention of the authorities (as it should). Those statements don't bring any positive attention to your point of view. They make you look like a nut that needs careful watching.
5. I do not have to be a god to deserve an apology. I'm fairly certain that being a god is not a requirement for deserving an apology. Your unnecessary comments did nothing to help me, or anyone here. If anything, they are distracting to the focus of what this site is for. THAT is what I'm expecting an apology for. I now know I won't get it. That's fine. It just shows me exactly the type of person you are. You expect everyone else to bend to your will. You can think that way all you want. It's a free country. Just don't express your political views on our roll call again. They aren't welcome.
BTW, did you really compare YOUR statements to me changing the spreadsheet name to "Naked Sky Diving Video"? Are you really unable to see the complete difference between the two? If not, I hope you are being watched. You deserve it.
Good Day
Numero Uno (disclaimer: I do not condone nor suggest using two languages in a single post, due to the fact that someone may or may not become confused by said language.) I apologize for not looking hard enough for these so called "complaints."
I found this one:There's a politics thread, you know. Let me know if you have any trouble finding it. It's in "wildcard." Lots of stuff in there to distract you from quitting the nic.
And this one:My two favorite groups to stay out of.
Religion Vs. The World
And the ever popular
Politics
Enter both or either at your own risk, but keep them out of your sanctuary.
And then there is within roll call:BudMan Day 43 - "King Obama.s Assasinatipn", has this become a political site?
detpack - Day 32 - I promise I won't use nicotine today. You have my word. I agree with BudMan, too. Can we please keep religion/politics off this thing - at least off the fucking spreadsheet?
Hell, I'll even give you this one: (even though it could be interpreted as anything or nothing)Winter Green - 30 - whaaaaat???
Number two. (disclaimer: The stuff a particular variety of bean is full of.)(disclaimer disclaimer: Any names or likeness to persons real or imagined is purely coincidence.) Before I apologize for my seemingly endless list of mistakes, might I bring the attention to this sentence:(not my idea but I thought it was funny)
So you thought this was funny. And you "think" what I put was offensive. You cannot accuse me of all this purely on opinion. If this is suddenly OK, then in my "OPINION," you should be apologizing to this entire group for starting shit. Oh, I know in your "opinion," you're not "starting shit," but actually doing what all the people who were offended by this failed to do. While we are on that, I apologize to all the people who were openly offended by my statement. For instance:
Maybe I am misinterpreting the recent naming of the spreadsheet, but it's not meant to be political, religious, or offensive; it's supposed to catch your eye so you are thinking about checking the spreadsheet. Budman and Detpack, I'm not calling you guys out at all, in fact, it's the opposite. It's great that you guys noticed that, because judging by the amount of people that still post a different day than the spreadsheet for roll, a lot of quitters don't even pay attention to anything going on on the roll call.
If the intent solely was to get quitter's to click on the link because of the inflammatory nature of the title of the link, then the approach was successful. Having said that, my mother told me at a very early age to refrain from discussing religion and politics in a public area-- a semi open forum as it relates here.
The intention was good--to get quitters to check the spreadsheet so that we all are posting the correct quit day. This is really easy to do, and should take up hardly any time at all. Also, I don't mind the link being named something provocative in order to catch quitters' eyes, as long as it has nothing to do with Justin Bieber. Justin is a golden god sent from heaven to bring his sweet music to the world to help foster unity and peace. Do NOT mess with "The Biebs." I will shut you down if you do so.
jrme1212 and PaddyMac02, I especially apologize to the both of you for any offense you may have taken. I assure you, I did not mean to offend. dabean22, you owe this group and apology for messing with The Biebs.
Three. I apologize for bringing attention to the spreadsheet. From now on I will leave that duty solely to the Supreme Overlord of the Spreadsheet. Let thyself bow down and grovel at thou feet. Let thy poor lips kiss thou mighty toes of pure greatness and let thou eternally torment thy living soul.
Four. I apologize for not going into further detail here, but there is so much venom in this one statement that I would be going on for hours. Again this whole statement summarizes your "opinion," if we both know opinions dont matter. Here or the real world. You can take my words and twist them however you like, but the only person convinced is yourself. And if others do start agreeing with your line of thought, then you have successfully succeeded in doing that which you chastise me for. There was nothing threatening about what was written. If anything was taken as threatening, it was a notion conceived purely within the bowels or your own mind. On another note, have you noticed how just about everything we do is illegal? Ill stop there, because frankly I would rather have this conversation with someone both willing and smart enough to listen and understand what I say. (disclaimer: the previous was in no way intended to suggest that one may be stupid.)
Five. Do I really need to repeat myself yet again? Fine. I apologize for having an opinion. I was unaware that I did not have that privilege nor that right. Aye Aye Captain, won't ever happen again.
And yes I did compare your opinion to my own. What was that saying? Something about building a bridge? Hmmm.... Anyway, in my opinion, you should think before you speak. I hope I was able to more specifically apologize to you personally. In my opinion, thats what you really wanted from the beginning. You don't care about the group. You are a special butterfly and choose to hide behind the group to make up for your own insecurities about something someone said that you didnt like.
Exempli Gratia: (disclaimer: see first disclaimer. Its hot and I'm tired.)
for the record, I re-named the spreadsheet to look like a naked skydiving video and one of Justin Bieber getting punched just to bring a little extra attention to the spreadsheet. Those 2 names are the only substitute names that I created. I do not use this area to speak to my political beliefs -dabean22
Are you seriously that concerned that someone might think you changed it yesterday?
.If you had left my promise the fuck alone you wouldnt have that insecurity now would you?.
Am I close? Who cares, its my opinion. It means absolutely nothing unless you make it mean something.
By the way, totally fine that you took the initiative to change the spreadsheet name, but don't you EVER edit my roll call for the day. EVER. No matter how offensive YOU find it. Irregardless of what the spreadsheet said, my promise for the day was so vague it could have been interpreted as anything. I want you to take a break from all that hard work demanding others to apologize 24/7, and demand that you yourself apologize to me for fucking with my promise. @dabean22, while we are on this subject, I want you to scroll up a little bit and highlight in between the two periods. Feeling real good about yourself right now arent you?
if someone were to purposely remove your post and anyone else's there would hell to pay!!
roll call is sacred - !!!
I would like to think that this applies to deleting a portion of my promise as well. I may be wrong. Just my OPINION on the topic. (Sorry, I know I said I was going to stop having opinions.)
In all truth, the assasination statement is a bad thing to do. I am asking you as an individual to not make anymore such statements on this site, and I am telling you as a mod not to.
It is true, things like that could cause us a problem.
David.
Message received. I apologize for the "assassination statement." Thanks for keeping it short and to the point. It already seems like im writing an apology book.
To everyone else who may have been offended by my opinion, I apologize. I should focus my opinions instead on the proven quit methods. Ahem, method. For there is only one way that works. No free thinking in here. Ha. I apologize for that. i'll wrap this up before I offend anyone else. A special apology to: PaddyMac02, jrme1212, gmann, Mjollnir, dabean22, BudMan, detpack, CBird65, Winter Green and The Biebs for being used in this massive apology without direct consent. Please don't sue me, I am poor white man. Also, MJ, to answer your first message, you can just assume yes as an answer, as the cretin has been redacted from the special thanks list.
Ya, I know, it's counter-productive to keep :deadhorse: but if you insist on constantly wasting my time whining about how your own views are clearly superior to anyone elses, I'm going to get a little bit ornery. 'worship'
I hope I was able to satisfy everything more specifically than just the few names I through out. I'm sure someone (dabean22) will demand more from me, but honestly, this whole thing is two hours of my life I will never get back.
Just like the seven years I spent enslaved to the bitch that I will never see again. Sorry, no refunds. Woo. Im done apologizing to you sorry excuses for quitters. Quit reading this and get posted! Im quit with anyone who accepts this for what it is: An opinion of an opinion based on an opinion of someone elses opinion. Quit Like Fuck Every Damn Day!
In nature, there are no punishments and no rewards, only consequences.
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No reason to apologize to me. I think it was pretty clear that what you typed was pure satire for shock value. Of course, in case you missed the big reveal, big brother watches everything and having that phrase get the attention of our rulers would do nothing but to serve to harm the site. So, in that regard, it was a stupid thing to type. Please don't do that again.
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No reason to apologize to me. I think it was pretty clear that what you typed was pure satire for shock value. Of course, in case you missed the big reveal, big brother watches everything and having that phrase get the attention of our rulers would do nothing but to serve to harm the site. So, in that regard, it was a stupid thing to type. Please don't do that again.
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Fucking keyboard cowboys...
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Fucking keyboard cowboys...
I now remember why I don't hang out in the intro's anymore...
fuckin' keyboard cowboys!
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Just be quit. Move along.
Your energy is better spent on the positive side of the coin rather than personal diatribes of "opinion" on ANY subject.
We are here to quit. Everything else is fluff.
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DD911- Day 58. :o Quit today. Sorry I havent been on. I have no excuse other than I've been busy. Take it or leave it you all should know thats the best your getting from me.
Nice
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DD911- Day 58. :o Quit today. Sorry I havent been on. I have no excuse other than I've been busy. Take it or leave it you all should know thats the best your getting from me.
Nice
im a :scowick: quit :deadhorse:
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Hello all.
On July 27, 2013 I decided it was time for me to quit. I had tried before with no real success. I took to the internet, hoping to find a magical cure. Well it doesn't exist. But I found something similar, KillTheCan.org. I clicked some links, learned what the site was all about. I decided to give it a try. And why not? Trying on my own was a failure.
So, I created and account and started a thread in the Introductions section. And I got shit on. These guys, they don't fool around. They pissed me right the fuck off, but you know what? That just made me want to quit more. It pissed me off and I wanted nothing more than to prove that I was more than just another addict.
I went into live chat and started talking with some people. They all wanted me to dump my cans. WHAT?! I wasnt about to dump my hard earned money! Well they convinced, cause they're good people. And I gotta admit, it really felt good.
On August 1, 2013 I planned my first cave. I had only gone five days without the bitch in my veins and already I was begging for her to come back, to coddle me. I lied to those who would help me, and I made myself a fool. My brothers and sisters would come to help me once I had been properly humiliated.
Everything was pretty good after I started taking it seriously. There was a day here and there that I might have missed roll, but the few people who's numbers I had would either remind or just hit me up to see where I was. If you're new to the site, get as many numbers as you can, this is one of the most effective tools you can wield in your fight.
There was one day that I had one of my contacts post on my behalf, but he was bumped almost immediately. Woo. Friggin nuclear fallout. Some guys will (and I mean this in the straightest way possible) hold your hand and guide in the right direction, but there are some that are just going to push you around. And watch out when you start to push back. You either win you don't. I can't win around here.
In the past month alone, I have missed 10 days of roll call. Let me explain how roll call works. The way it really works, not the way you will be told.
Everyday when you wake up, you post roll. If you work 3rd shift and don't wake up until afternoon/night, you're pretty much set up for failure and prepare to have yourself torn a new one. Majority wins and you absolutely MUST post early in the day, even if you are sleeping. Anyway, you post your name, how many days quit and a promise to be quit for the day. Sometimes it's nice to say you're quit with a specific individual, but it is absolutely forbidden that you express any other personal feelings. Thats roll call in a nutshell. Keep it to the point and don't catch anyones attention and you should be able to sail on by.
Oh, and don't EVER miss a day of roll call. If you do it's the end of the world. One strike, your out of the club. But they are not cruel people, you can get back in. All you have to do explain yourself. But there is a catch. You cannot make any mention of having a life, for this is strictly forbidden. You can only say what you are bidden to say.
So here we are. Ten days with no roll call. Seems yet again, I've fallen off the KTC bandwagon. Wierd, I have not caved. I'm still quit, and I'm not even using the fake stuff anymore. Wait a minute.... since I'm not following the formula that must mean....
:scowick:
Noobs, get used to this little guy, you're going to see him a lot.
All I'm saying is this: I joined this site to free myself from the bonds of the Nic Bitch. And it worked, I am free. Thanks 100% to this site and everyone here (ya, even you dean) But here's the thing, why shrug off the bonds of one just to be held together by the other? I just don't agree with it. I succeeded in quitting, and I will always remember those who helped me through, but being forced to post roll everyday, well that's no different than what I came here to get rid of.
I am quit. And that is all that matters to me. I'll be in and out like I have been the past month. Leave me shitlisted and in the dog house all you like. Its pretty shitty to punish those who disagree but, such is life.
To all the noobs who may have read this, ignore most of it. This is the talk of an addict. Good luck on your quit.
-DD911
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Hello all.
On July 27, 2013 I decided it was time for me to quit. I had tried before with no real success. I took to the internet, hoping to find a magical cure. Well it doesn't exist. But I found something similar, KillTheCan.org. I clicked some links, learned what the site was all about. I decided to give it a try. And why not? Trying on my own was a failure.
So, I created and account and started a thread in the Introductions section. And I got shit on. These guys, they don't fool around. They pissed me right the fuck off, but you know what? That just made me want to quit more. It pissed me off and I wanted nothing more than to prove that I was more than just another addict.
I went into live chat and started talking with some people. They all wanted me to dump my cans. WHAT?! I wasnt about to dump my hard earned money! Well they convinced, cause they're good people. And I gotta admit, it really felt good.
On August 1, 2013 I planned my first cave. I had only gone five days without the bitch in my veins and already I was begging for her to come back, to coddle me. I lied to those who would help me, and I made myself a fool. My brothers and sisters would come to help me once I had been properly humiliated.
Everything was pretty good after I started taking it seriously. There was a day here and there that I might have missed roll, but the few people who's numbers I had would either remind or just hit me up to see where I was. If you're new to the site, get as many numbers as you can, this is one of the most effective tools you can wield in your fight.
There was one day that I had one of my contacts post on my behalf, but he was bumped almost immediately. Woo. Friggin nuclear fallout. Some guys will (and I mean this in the straightest way possible) hold your hand and guide in the right direction, but there are some that are just going to push you around. And watch out when you start to push back. You either win you don't. I can't win around here.
In the past month alone, I have missed 10 days of roll call. Let me explain how roll call works. The way it really works, not the way you will be told.
Everyday when you wake up, you post roll. If you work 3rd shift and don't wake up until afternoon/night, you're pretty much set up for failure and prepare to have yourself torn a new one. Majority wins and you absolutely MUST post early in the day, even if you are sleeping. Anyway, you post your name, how many days quit and a promise to be quit for the day. Sometimes it's nice to say you're quit with a specific individual, but it is absolutely forbidden that you express any other personal feelings. Thats roll call in a nutshell. Keep it to the point and don't catch anyones attention and you should be able to sail on by.
Oh, and don't EVER miss a day of roll call. If you do it's the end of the world. One strike, your out of the club. But they are not cruel people, you can get back in. All you have to do explain yourself. But there is a catch. You cannot make any mention of having a life, for this is strictly forbidden. You can only say what you are bidden to say.
So here we are. Ten days with no roll call. Seems yet again, I've fallen off the KTC bandwagon. Wierd, I have not caved. I'm still quit, and I'm not even using the fake stuff anymore. Wait a minute.... since I'm not following the formula that must mean....
:scowick:
Noobs, get used to this little guy, you're going to see him a lot.
All I'm saying is this: I joined this site to free myself from the bonds of the Nic Bitch. And it worked, I am free. Thanks 100% to this site and everyone here (ya, even you dean) But here's the thing, why shrug off the bonds of one just to be held together by the other? I just don't agree with it. I succeeded in quitting, and I will always remember those who helped me through, but being forced to post roll everyday, well that's no different than what I came here to get rid of.
I am quit. And that is all that matters to me. I'll be in and out like I have been the past month. Leave me shitlisted and in the dog house all you like. Its pretty shitty to punish those who disagree but, such is life.
To all the noobs who may have read this, ignore most of it. This is the talk of an addict. Good luck on your quit.
-DD911
I have to say that everytime I read a post like yours Dave I get a little pissed off, I have called out guys in my group that miss roll call. I don't understand why you feel the need to publicly denounce roll call, which is the core of how KTC works. Why do guys that want to just half ass the program here kick back so vigorously? No one is forcing you to do anything, but posting roll everyday is the KTC way.
I mean, I'm glad your quit however you are quit.....but how dare you piss on what the guys here have built. You should be glad someone missed your ass rather than whining about being called out.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
Really.....posting roll and quitting here is no different than the nic bitch?
Hit this link, that's why roll is important.
Words of Wisdom (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8639)
I really don't want to get into another KTC philosophical debate about roll call. You sound like a guy trying to justify your next fix, you can stamp your feet all you want about how you can miss roll and be quit. In the end, guys that post roll and get involved stay quit.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
Really.....posting roll and quitting here is no different than the nic bitch?
Hit this link, that's why roll is important.
Words of Wisdom (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8639)
I really don't want to get into another KTC philosophical debate about roll call. You sound like a guy trying to justify your next fix, you can stamp your feet all you want about how you can miss roll and be quit. In the end, guys that post roll and get involved stay quit.
What an interesting thread.
I have posted everyday with about 15 members on ktc. 3 have caved. One was jlud007, who came back and fights like hell everyday. One dropped after about 3 days. He planned to cave from day one. One was gonehuntin - a family guy in your own group. He worked third shift. Worked hard. So hard that sometimes he would skip roll. Maybe once. Maybe twice a week. Became less and less involved... Then he vanished.
Do as you wish dd. I wouldn't pretend to know what your life is like or what stresses you are under. But I do believe in this formula. Enough to take time everyday to post with and support these guys who, like me, are addicts that are fighting a hard battle. If you choose to fight this battle with a water gun, that is your business. But to try and convince new members that this is a good idea, and that the plan here is negotiable... Man that just ain't right.
Believe or do not believe, support or do not support, but don't be the little devil on the right shoulder whispering "it's ok to not post roll once in a while." No addict needs to hear that bullshit.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
Really.....posting roll and quitting here is no different than the nic bitch?
Hit this link, that's why roll is important.
Words of Wisdom (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8639)
I really don't want to get into another KTC philosophical debate about roll call. You sound like a guy trying to justify your next fix, you can stamp your feet all you want about how you can miss roll and be quit. In the end, guys that post roll and get involved stay quit.
What an interesting thread.
I have posted everyday with about 15 members on ktc. 3 have caved. One was jlud007, who came back and fights like hell everyday. One dropped after about 3 days. He planned to cave from day one. One was gonehuntin - a family guy in your own group. He worked third shift. Worked hard. So hard that sometimes he would skip roll. Maybe once. Maybe twice a week. Became less and less involved... Then he vanished.
Do as you wish dd. I wouldn't pretend to know what your life is like or what stresses you are under. But I do believe in this formula. Enough to take time everyday to post with and support these guys who, like me, are addicts that are fighting a hard battle. If you choose to fight this battle with a water gun, that is your business. But to try and convince new members that this is a good idea, and that the plan here is negotiable... Man that just ain't right.
Believe or do not believe, support or do not support, but don't be the little devil on the right shoulder whispering "it's ok to not post roll once in a while." No addict needs to hear that bullshit.
I totally agree with worktowin dd, but I have a feeling you don't care what we think. I Haven't posted on your intro in a while and that's because it's clear you don't care about this site or what it stand for.
You don't care about it's beliefs and what it accomplishes everyday. Why are you even here??
Lets get real! You are here to disrupt the site and it's teaching at this point.. I know that this site helped you get where you are in your quit,,, now you are trying to disrupt other quits?!?! Everything you say is about you and your beliefs. You don't care about anyone but yourself. It is clear you will not help anyone else.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if you left one bit. I don't think it will hurt your feeling either. I hope you stay quit, live long and prosper, but don't try and mess with quitters that really need help. I say all this man to man,, no cursing, no bull.
Take that mask off and you'll be a better person. I know,,, You don't care what I think.
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You know...I was pulling for you from day one and now I just plain ol' don't care for you. I hope you stay quit but I hope you do it somewhere else.
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You know...I was pulling for you from day one and now I just plain ol' don't care for you. I hope you stay quit but I hope you do it somewhere else.
^---Ditto
It is one thing to not post roll, it is a whole different thing to protest it in the manner with which you did. You caved, got your ass handed to you by others wanting to get you to realize why and how it happened. Then you miss posting roll so others try to find out.
It is no small task for those who run the QAS sheets for the groups. Plus the group reached out to you because they care. Granted not everyone has the same "TACT". However, this right here doesn't some the tact in which you seem to want yourself either.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
Really.....posting roll and quitting here is no different than the nic bitch?
Hit this link, that's why roll is important.
Words of Wisdom (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8639)
I really don't want to get into another KTC philosophical debate about roll call. You sound like a guy trying to justify your next fix, you can stamp your feet all you want about how you can miss roll and be quit. In the end, guys that post roll and get involved stay quit.
What an interesting thread.
I have posted everyday with about 15 members on ktc. 3 have caved. One was jlud007, who came back and fights like hell everyday. One dropped after about 3 days. He planned to cave from day one. One was gonehuntin - a family guy in your own group. He worked third shift. Worked hard. So hard that sometimes he would skip roll. Maybe once. Maybe twice a week. Became less and less involved... Then he vanished.
Do as you wish dd. I wouldn't pretend to know what your life is like or what stresses you are under. But I do believe in this formula. Enough to take time everyday to post with and support these guys who, like me, are addicts that are fighting a hard battle. If you choose to fight this battle with a water gun, that is your business. But to try and convince new members that this is a good idea, and that the plan here is negotiable... Man that just ain't right.
Believe or do not believe, support or do not support, but don't be the little devil on the right shoulder whispering "it's ok to not post roll once in a while." No addict needs to hear that bullshit.
I totally agree with worktowin dd, but I have a feeling you don't care what we think. I Haven't posted on your intro in a while and that's because it's clear you don't care about this site or what it stand for.
You don't care about it's beliefs and what it accomplishes everyday. Why are you even here??
Lets get real! You are here to disrupt the site and it's teaching at this point.. I know that this site helped you get where you are in your quit,,, now you are trying to disrupt other quits?!?! Everything you say is about you and your beliefs. You don't care about anyone but yourself. It is clear you will not help anyone else.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if you left one bit. I don't think it will hurt your feeling either. I hope you stay quit, live long and prosper, but don't try and mess with quitters that really need help. I say all this man to man,, no cursing, no bull.
Take that mask off and you'll be a better person. I know,,, You don't care what I think.
I see some things will never change still want to do it your way. I don't really have much to add then why are you here, your way was so successful that you found yourself here. You have people from both sides of the ball reaching out to you with tons of quit power and you still don't care. Well good luck, hope you do well.
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@jlud
I'm not whining about anything. I'm just explaining why I have not been posting. You don't have to like it. I fully agree that the formula works. But it really is no different from the Nic Bitch.
Really.....posting roll and quitting here is no different than the nic bitch?
Hit this link, that's why roll is important.
Words of Wisdom (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8639)
I really don't want to get into another KTC philosophical debate about roll call. You sound like a guy trying to justify your next fix, you can stamp your feet all you want about how you can miss roll and be quit. In the end, guys that post roll and get involved stay quit.
What an interesting thread.
I have posted everyday with about 15 members on ktc. 3 have caved. One was jlud007, who came back and fights like hell everyday. One dropped after about 3 days. He planned to cave from day one. One was gonehuntin - a family guy in your own group. He worked third shift. Worked hard. So hard that sometimes he would skip roll. Maybe once. Maybe twice a week. Became less and less involved... Then he vanished.
Do as you wish dd. I wouldn't pretend to know what your life is like or what stresses you are under. But I do believe in this formula. Enough to take time everyday to post with and support these guys who, like me, are addicts that are fighting a hard battle. If you choose to fight this battle with a water gun, that is your business. But to try and convince new members that this is a good idea, and that the plan here is negotiable... Man that just ain't right.
Believe or do not believe, support or do not support, but don't be the little devil on the right shoulder whispering "it's ok to not post roll once in a while." No addict needs to hear that bullshit.
I totally agree with worktowin dd, but I have a feeling you don't care what we think. I Haven't posted on your intro in a while and that's because it's clear you don't care about this site or what it stand for.
You don't care about it's beliefs and what it accomplishes everyday. Why are you even here??
Lets get real! You are here to disrupt the site and it's teaching at this point.. I know that this site helped you get where you are in your quit,,, now you are trying to disrupt other quits?!?! Everything you say is about you and your beliefs. You don't care about anyone but yourself. It is clear you will not help anyone else.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if you left one bit. I don't think it will hurt your feeling either. I hope you stay quit, live long and prosper, but don't try and mess with quitters that really need help. I say all this man to man,, no cursing, no bull.
Take that mask off and you'll be a better person. I know,,, You don't care what I think.
I see some things will never change still want to do it your way. I don't really have much to add then why are you here, your way was so successful that you found yourself here. You have people from both sides of the ball reaching out to you with tons of quit power and you still don't care. Well good luck, hope you do well.
DD, you either don't believe in the KTC way of quit, or, you are not serious about quitting. Either way, no reason for to hang around.
If your way doesn't work, we will be here.
Until then,
Good bye
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Hello all.
On July 27, 2013 I decided it was time for me to quit. I had tried before with no real success. I took to the internet, hoping to find a magical cure. Well it doesn't exist. But I found something similar, KillTheCan.org. I clicked some links, learned what the site was all about. I decided to give it a try. And why not? Trying on my own was a failure.
So, I created and account and started a thread in the Introductions section. And I got shit on. These guys, they don't fool around. They pissed me right the fuck off, but you know what? That just made me want to quit more. It pissed me off and I wanted nothing more than to prove that I was more than just another addict.
I went into live chat and started talking with some people. They all wanted me to dump my cans. WHAT?! I wasnt about to dump my hard earned money! Well they convinced, cause they're good people. And I gotta admit, it really felt good.
On August 1, 2013 I planned my first cave. I had only gone five days without the bitch in my veins and already I was begging for her to come back, to coddle me. I lied to those who would help me, and I made myself a fool. My brothers and sisters would come to help me once I had been properly humiliated.
Everything was pretty good after I started taking it seriously. There was a day here and there that I might have missed roll, but the few people who's numbers I had would either remind or just hit me up to see where I was. If you're new to the site, get as many numbers as you can, this is one of the most effective tools you can wield in your fight.
There was one day that I had one of my contacts post on my behalf, but he was bumped almost immediately. Woo. Friggin nuclear fallout. Some guys will (and I mean this in the straightest way possible) hold your hand and guide in the right direction, but there are some that are just going to push you around. And watch out when you start to push back. You either win you don't. I can't win around here.
In the past month alone, I have missed 10 days of roll call. Let me explain how roll call works. The way it really works, not the way you will be told.
Everyday when you wake up, you post roll. If you work 3rd shift and don't wake up until afternoon/night, you're pretty much set up for failure and prepare to have yourself torn a new one. Majority wins and you absolutely MUST post early in the day, even if you are sleeping. Anyway, you post your name, how many days quit and a promise to be quit for the day. Sometimes it's nice to say you're quit with a specific individual, but it is absolutely forbidden that you express any other personal feelings. Thats roll call in a nutshell. Keep it to the point and don't catch anyones attention and you should be able to sail on by.
Oh, and don't EVER miss a day of roll call. If you do it's the end of the world. One strike, your out of the club. But they are not cruel people, you can get back in. All you have to do explain yourself. But there is a catch. You cannot make any mention of having a life, for this is strictly forbidden. You can only say what you are bidden to say.
So here we are. Ten days with no roll call. Seems yet again, I've fallen off the KTC bandwagon. Wierd, I have not caved. I'm still quit, and I'm not even using the fake stuff anymore. Wait a minute.... since I'm not following the formula that must mean....
:scowick:
Noobs, get used to this little guy, you're going to see him a lot.
All I'm saying is this: I joined this site to free myself from the bonds of the Nic Bitch. And it worked, I am free. Thanks 100% to this site and everyone here (ya, even you dean) But here's the thing, why shrug off the bonds of one just to be held together by the other? I just don't agree with it. I succeeded in quitting, and I will always remember those who helped me through, but being forced to post roll everyday, well that's no different than what I came here to get rid of.
I am quit. And that is all that matters to me. I'll be in and out like I have been the past month. Leave me shitlisted and in the dog house all you like. Its pretty shitty to punish those who disagree but, such is life.
To all the noobs who may have read this, ignore most of it. This is the talk of an addict. Good luck on your quit.
-DD911
Wow.
Why are you even here? The KTC quit plan is to 1) post roll everyday, and 2) get phone numbers and reach out when you need to.
Thats it. If you dont like the plan, then why the F are you even here, Dave?
Please dont post this whiney crap about the mean people on KTC. They seem mean because they are trying to get you to understand how important this is.
And definitely do NOT try to convince other people that KTC is doing it wrong. How many people have quit successfully doing it the "Dave" way??? ZERO, thats how many. KTC has worked, and continues to work, for THOUSANDS of people. You are the one that is full of sh!t, not KTC.
Posting roll everyday isn't about adding to your chore list - its about learning to make your quit a priority in your life everyday. its about getting your mind right, immediately to start the day, everyday. Thats how you quit - and thats why KTC works.
If you think you know better, then go do it your way. But stop sh!tting on the KTC way.
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Dave. You are selfish. That's what bugs me most.
Everything is about YOU.
YOU don't care for roll call, YOU don't like this, YOU don't like that, YOU don't care what so and sotthinks, YOU will come and go, YOU will do it your way, etc...
Have you ever stopped to help anyone else on this site? Have you ever pm'd a newbie? Have youever offered advice to anyone who might have been struggling?
Or do you just like to come on here and cry and whine about how YOU work late, and how people get on YOU for posting roll, etc..?
A lot of people reached out to you in good times in bad, but through it all its always been about you.
This is a brotherhood, where we help eachother. I don't see you helping anyone.
I think if you got more involved in this site and offered help to others and saw the variety of struggles that various people suffer, your prospective and attitude might change.
You're constantly making everything about YOU. Try stepping outside yourself and lend a hand to others.
If not , then just do YOU quietly and stop stirring the pot.
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'troll'
30 days of quit is great. But just cuz you passed the first exam doesn't mean your prepared to ace the final.
It took me over a year until I really felt quit. I needed a full season of triggers. Holidays, hunting, football, ballet, etc. At thirty days I was still reaching for my can a dozen times a day.
The program works, plenty of posters work night shifts, maybe explain to your quit group that YOUR "FIRST THING IN THE MORNING" starts at night. I'm sure they'll get it.
Secondly, A huge help to those of us that understand we are addicts, is helping others. Without a hand-up from Ready, Mule, Loot , 11x44, Hydro, Smokey G, Kdip, BBJ, Remshot, FranPro, and a busload of others I would have struggled badly. It is possible that this site saved my life. It is one reason we stick around, helping others helps us. Your attitude is going to keep you from both helping others and helping yourself.
Your lack of commitment is going to ultimately cause you to cave again. While that is just my opinion ( and I hope I'm wrong) You'll notice I have watched 10,000 plus quitters walk these halls.
Goo luck to you
sM
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Goo luck to you
sM
That pretty much sums it up.
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Icebergs melt into an endless sea. Oaks grow mighty and tall and fall to wind and fire. Friends come and go, acquaintances fade into oblivion.
Internal fortitude, character and integrity, loyalty (to others and your principles), may be challenged by all factors and forces, yet they will never defeat them if they are ingrained into your beliefs and who you are.
If you show up every day and post roll, these 4 traits will never fail you. They cannot. You have given your word for the day that you will be clean. If you possess these 4 inherent traits you cannot go back on your word as it means everything you stand for.
I will surround myself with people that posses these four traits. They will never let me fail and I them in return.
If you are only looking out for yourself, sooner or later you will find you are standing alone.
I am my brotherÂ’s keeper.
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"being forced to post roll everyday, well that's no different than what I came here to get rid of."
These may be the dumbest words I have ever read. Posting role is no different than nicotine addiction????
One will kill you and one will save your life.
GREAT comparison.
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SkoalMonster just wished you luck. If you value your quit and your life, that should terrify you.
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You put a lot of effort into trying to show other people that their system, the one THEY rely on for their day-to-day solid quit, doesn't matter to you. So? Why should you care? It works for us. We like it and how it works. If you don't, and this is not for you, then fine...whatever. You've tried it. You've decided that you don't need it anymore. But don't sit here and badger us about it. All it does is make you seem petty.
As SM said, "Good luck..."
Wish you the best.
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What a nice surprise this AM............ I thought we were :deadhorse: because this one was a :scowick: He had everyone on here 'bang head' 'bang head' 'bang head' and 'Crazy' 'Crazy' 'Crazy' because we thought that this guy was 'jerk'Â
Turns out that there is some quit in this one and proof that the KTC formula Works!!
Here is to one week of Freedom my friend!!
'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'Â 'Cheers'
Taste it, Love it and Hate NIC.
shocker
J
Was I wrong?
He is postin roll and taking names! I think he has it in him to keep going!
I was wrong!
1000's of success stories must be wrong. So whats the over under on your planned cave??? 5 days??? 5 mins???
I wish you safe travels as I know there are other ways to gain your freedom and be quit! I hope that you fiind those places!! Please refrain from trolling around the site and interrupting our quits.
J
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Dave - I just heard you caved, is it true? so how do you feel about the "Dave quitting plan" now??? Doesn't work too well, does it?
Why don't you man up and come back here, and quit for real this time, and do it the way that works - the KTC way. Stop making bullsh!t excuses about why you can't post roll everyday, and stop telling your quit buddies that they better not hold you accountable. Embrace the accountability, it will keep you quit.
How 'bout it, Dave?
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Dave - I just heard you caved, is it true? so how do you feel about the "Dave quitting plan" now??? Doesn't work too well, does it?
Why don't you man up and come back here, and quit for real this time, and do it the way that works - the KTC way. Stop making bullsh!t excuses about why you can't post roll everyday, and stop telling your quit buddies that they better not hold you accountable. Embrace the accountability, it will keep you quit.
How 'bout it, Dave?
An update here would be interesting.
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Dave - I just heard you caved, is it true? so how do you feel about the "Dave quitting plan" now??? Doesn't work too well, does it?
Why don't you man up and come back here, and quit for real this time, and do it the way that works - the KTC way. Stop making bullsh!t excuses about why you can't post roll everyday, and stop telling your quit buddies that they better not hold you accountable. Embrace the accountability, it will keep you quit.
How 'bout it, Dave?
An update here would be interesting.
guys, the special butterfly has done nothing to show that he has learned anything that the site has tried to teach him about either being quit or even being a part of a group where friendships can grow out of a common bond.
So good luck there as there are many things out there for you to try...
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Dave - I just heard you caved, is it true? so how do you feel about the "Dave quitting plan" now??? Doesn't work too well, does it?
Why don't you man up and come back here, and quit for real this time, and do it the way that works - the KTC way. Stop making bullsh!t excuses about why you can't post roll everyday, and stop telling your quit buddies that they better not hold you accountable. Embrace the accountability, it will keep you quit.
How 'bout it, Dave?
An update here would be interesting.
guys, the special butterfly has done nothing to show that he has learned anything that the site has tried to teach him about either being quit or even being a part of a group where friendships can grow out of a common bond.
So good luck there as there are many things out there for you to try...
What's the proof that DD911 caved for a third time? Who knows for sure, and not rumors?
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Dave - I just heard you caved, is it true? so how do you feel about the "Dave quitting plan" now??? Doesn't work too well, does it?
Why don't you man up and come back here, and quit for real this time, and do it the way that works - the KTC way. Stop making bullsh!t excuses about why you can't post roll everyday, and stop telling your quit buddies that they better not hold you accountable. Embrace the accountability, it will keep you quit.
How 'bout it, Dave?
An update here would be interesting.
guys, the special butterfly has done nothing to show that he has learned anything that the site has tried to teach him about either being quit or even being a part of a group where friendships can grow out of a common bond.
So good luck there as there are many things out there for you to try...
What's the proof that DD911 caved for a third time? Who knows for sure, and not rumors?
Somebody posted it in the November group a couple days ago. I don't remember who.
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Hey guys, apologies for the past month. Had kind of a mental meltdown and I am sorry that I let that affect all of you as much as it did. Lets leave it at I was pissed at everything and anything. I started buying a ton of survival stuff and I was literally planning on moving into some dark corner of the woods and saying F you world.
Since I started quitting, I have gained 40 pounds of pure American body fat. 40 pounds! That is so discouraging to my quit! Makes the Bitch almost seem like a savant. I cant sleep at night even the slightest things will set me off. The hardest part is I come here to vent and I end up sounding like a whiny little bitch. (which basically is what I am right now)
Someone once told me to take what I need and leave the rest. I am sorry that I took that so literally. You just cant. Since I joined KTC ive done nothing but take. Obviously everyone sees that as they are kind enough to point it out. Why its taken me this long to realize it myself is beyond me.
KTC is a give and take relationship. The only way to truly quit is to be there for others. Only an addict can understand an addict. By coming on here and whining and bitching about how terrible my life is ive succeeded in two things.
1. By writing it all out, I am able to step back and look at my problems from a different perspective. (Good)
2. On the flip side, since I havent done a single thing to help others, I am severely disrupting their own quit. (Bad)
I know I said I could go at it alone. I was pissed, I was angry, I wasnt thinking about anything or anyone but myself. I took the advice (whether intentional or not) of my brothers and walked away for awhile. Stopped posting all the negativity. This past week has been hell. After I walked away the cravings were almost unbearable. I fucked up and lost the biggest advantage I had for my quit. I said I would make my promises to my contacts but I simply did not. Most of them even texted me on a daily basis and I ignored them.
I am sorry if I ignored your attempts at helping me. I think I needed the time away to really look at my quit. Or the quit that was quickly fraying and about to snap. I cant do this alone. If I had never stumbled upon KTC, maybe. But not now. Not 71 days into my quit. I rely on you as much as you should be able to rely on me.
I am sorry that it took me this long to really understand what KTC is all about. I am sorry for all the negative bullshit ive posted. Looking at the number of brothers in the Dog House is infuriating. If I hadnt been so selfish and had been here all along, maybe I could have done something to prevent this. Maybe not, but who is to say.
I want to become more involved. When I am done here I am going to message every single one of those in the Dog House. I am going to post roll every damn day and I am done with my whining.
I know, you will have to see it to believe it.
All I ask is that you please refrain from the negative replies. Speak your mind but please be weary that it does nothing to help a quit. Im asking this as a brother and as an individual that respects the fragility of a quit. It is neither productive, nor does it help anyone. Please be aware that not all quitters have the strength or resolve that you might.
One addict to another, we need positive help. Anything else provokes fight or flight. For me (even though it was self-imposed) it was both. Encourage the fight. Its OK to get quitters pissed off. That strengthens a quit. Pushing too hard makes for flight. And that is a good way to break a quit.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I really needed to explain myself and I feel it has strengthened my quit for doing so. I just hope my words can reach others quits and help them avoid a flight outcome.
Off to the Dog House for me. I will update with anything I can dig up.
Its good to be back, and its good to be quit.
DD911
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Hey guys, apologies for the past month. Had kind of a mental meltdown and I am sorry that I let that affect all of you as much as it did. Lets leave it at I was pissed at everything and anything. I started buying a ton of survival stuff and I was literally planning on moving into some dark corner of the woods and saying F you world.
Since I started quitting, I have gained 40 pounds of pure American body fat. 40 pounds! That is so discouraging to my quit! Makes the Bitch almost seem like a savant. I cant sleep at night even the slightest things will set me off. The hardest part is I come here to vent and I end up sounding like a whiny little bitch. (which basically is what I am right now)
Someone once told me to take what I need and leave the rest. I am sorry that I took that so literally. You just cant. Since I joined KTC ive done nothing but take. Obviously everyone sees that as they are kind enough to point it out. Why its taken me this long to realize it myself is beyond me.
KTC is a give and take relationship. The only way to truly quit is to be there for others. Only an addict can understand an addict. By coming on here and whining and bitching about how terrible my life is ive succeeded in two things.
1. By writing it all out, I am able to step back and look at my problems from a different perspective. (Good)
2. On the flip side, since I havent done a single thing to help others, I am severely disrupting their own quit. (Bad)
I know I said I could go at it alone. I was pissed, I was angry, I wasnt thinking about anything or anyone but myself. I took the advice (whether intentional or not) of my brothers and walked away for awhile. Stopped posting all the negativity. This past week has been hell. After I walked away the cravings were almost unbearable. I fucked up and lost the biggest advantage I had for my quit. I said I would make my promises to my contacts but I simply did not. Most of them even texted me on a daily basis and I ignored them.
I am sorry if I ignored your attempts at helping me. I think I needed the time away to really look at my quit. Or the quit that was quickly fraying and about to snap. I cant do this alone. If I had never stumbled upon KTC, maybe. But not now. Not 71 days into my quit. I rely on you as much as you should be able to rely on me.
I am sorry that it took me this long to really understand what KTC is all about. I am sorry for all the negative bullshit ive posted. Looking at the number of brothers in the Dog House is infuriating. If I hadnt been so selfish and had been here all along, maybe I could have done something to prevent this. Maybe not, but who is to say.
I want to become more involved. When I am done here I am going to message every single one of those in the Dog House. I am going to post roll every damn day and I am done with my whining.
I know, you will have to see it to believe it.
All I ask is that you please refrain from the negative replies. Speak your mind but please be weary that it does nothing to help a quit. Im asking this as a brother and as an individual that respects the fragility of a quit. It is neither productive, nor does it help anyone. Please be aware that not all quitters have the strength or resolve that you might.
One addict to another, we need positive help. Anything else provokes fight or flight. For me (even though it was self-imposed) it was both. Encourage the fight. Its OK to get quitters pissed off. That strengthens a quit. Pushing too hard makes for flight. And that is a good way to break a quit.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I really needed to explain myself and I feel it has strengthened my quit for doing so. I just hope my words can reach others quits and help them avoid a flight outcome.
Off to the Dog House for me. I will update with anything I can dig up.
Its good to be back, and its good to be quit.
DD911
So are you still quit or not? Last entry prior to this one says you caved. If you are still quit then jump in dude both feet no bullshit self loathing crap just dig in and do what you said you are going to do. Time will tell I will be watching as will others
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Hey guys, apologies for the past month. Had kind of a mental meltdown and I am sorry that I let that affect all of you as much as it did. Lets leave it at I was pissed at everything and anything. I started buying a ton of survival stuff and I was literally planning on moving into some dark corner of the woods and saying F you world.
Since I started quitting, I have gained 40 pounds of pure American body fat. 40 pounds! That is so discouraging to my quit! Makes the Bitch almost seem like a savant. I cant sleep at night even the slightest things will set me off. The hardest part is I come here to vent and I end up sounding like a whiny little bitch. (which basically is what I am right now)
Someone once told me to take what I need and leave the rest. I am sorry that I took that so literally. You just cant. Since I joined KTC ive done nothing but take. Obviously everyone sees that as they are kind enough to point it out. Why its taken me this long to realize it myself is beyond me.
KTC is a give and take relationship. The only way to truly quit is to be there for others. Only an addict can understand an addict. By coming on here and whining and bitching about how terrible my life is ive succeeded in two things.
1. By writing it all out, I am able to step back and look at my problems from a different perspective. (Good)
2. On the flip side, since I havent done a single thing to help others, I am severely disrupting their own quit. (Bad)
I know I said I could go at it alone. I was pissed, I was angry, I wasnt thinking about anything or anyone but myself. I took the advice (whether intentional or not) of my brothers and walked away for awhile. Stopped posting all the negativity. This past week has been hell. After I walked away the cravings were almost unbearable. I fucked up and lost the biggest advantage I had for my quit. I said I would make my promises to my contacts but I simply did not. Most of them even texted me on a daily basis and I ignored them.
I am sorry if I ignored your attempts at helping me. I think I needed the time away to really look at my quit. Or the quit that was quickly fraying and about to snap. I cant do this alone. If I had never stumbled upon KTC, maybe. But not now. Not 71 days into my quit. I rely on you as much as you should be able to rely on me.
I am sorry that it took me this long to really understand what KTC is all about. I am sorry for all the negative bullshit ive posted. Looking at the number of brothers in the Dog House is infuriating. If I hadnt been so selfish and had been here all along, maybe I could have done something to prevent this. Maybe not, but who is to say.
I want to become more involved. When I am done here I am going to message every single one of those in the Dog House. I am going to post roll every damn day and I am done with my whining.
I know, you will have to see it to believe it.
All I ask is that you please refrain from the negative replies. Speak your mind but please be weary that it does nothing to help a quit. Im asking this as a brother and as an individual that respects the fragility of a quit. It is neither productive, nor does it help anyone. Please be aware that not all quitters have the strength or resolve that you might.
One addict to another, we need positive help. Anything else provokes fight or flight. For me (even though it was self-imposed) it was both. Encourage the fight. Its OK to get quitters pissed off. That strengthens a quit. Pushing too hard makes for flight. And that is a good way to break a quit.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I really needed to explain myself and I feel it has strengthened my quit for doing so. I just hope my words can reach others quits and help them avoid a flight outcome.
Off to the Dog House for me. I will update with anything I can dig up.
Its good to be back, and its good to be quit.
DD911
So are you still quit or not? Last entry prior to this one says you caved. If you are still quit then jump in dude both feet no bullshit self loathing crap just dig in and do what you said you are going to do. Time will tell I will be watching as will others
Dave (I hope that is No Dipping Dave) still,
I wish you the best of luck. It is good to see that perhaps you have seen the light in the tunnel. Post roll daily, be active and get it on brother.
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Yes, I am still quit. Its been hell though, which helped reel me back in.
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Yes, I am still quit. Its been hell though, which helped reel me back in.
Stick with it, remember the phone connections let me know if you need another quitter to text or talk to. I will be happy to help.
Pinched
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DD911 - See my responses in Blue in response to portions of your post.
Since I started quitting, I have gained 40 pounds of pure American body fat. 40 pounds!
I put on 30# in the first 30 days. As someone here said, it's a lot easier to lose weight than cancer. I was exercising 5 nights a week and that helped. I'm not hypocrite, I find excuses to not exercise now, but I do realize how much it helped me. I need to get back into it.
Since I joined KTC ive done nothing but take.
Paying it forward really helps a newbie and yourself. Drop some encouraging words into a newbie's Intro or drop back into chat like you use to. There were 3 new guys in there last night. More help is always needed there.
I am sorry that it took me this long to really understand what KTC is all about.
Have you ever looked at the KTC banner? It says "Online Cummunity". People, and their involvement, make up a community and that is something that other quit websites don't have. Without the people behind KTC, in my group and many others I would definitely be back to ninja dipping.
I know, you will have to see it to believe it.
True. Show us.
All I ask is that you please refrain from the negative replies. Speak your mind but please be weary that it does nothing to help a quit. Im asking this as a brother and as an individual that respects the fragility of a quit. It is neither productive, nor does it help anyone. Please be aware that not all quitters have the strength or resolve that you might.
Should a beating come your way, take your lumps, and step up the quitting. Verbal sparring does nothing when you are on the defensive side. Learn from your mistakes, even if your past actions are constantly brought up. Don't repeat those past mistakes. As I use to tell my kitchen staff back in my Chef days, "put your head down and work". Posting roll, honoring your word each day, and helping others sounds like a solid plan.
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I am glad your back Dave and glad that you now see the worth in the community and brotherhood here. Shoot me a PM if you need another text brother.
I'll be glad to quit with you today.
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I am glad your back Dave and glad that you now see the worth in the community and brotherhood here. Shoot me a PM if you need another text brother.
I'll be glad to quit with you today.
Welcome back. Congratulations on rescuing 71 days by owning your quit.
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Yes, I am still quit. Its been hell though, which helped reel me back in.
Welcome Dave, or welcome back!
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Good to see you back and it sounds like you held that quit by a shoestring! Way to hold that quit!!! Nonetheless... Your quit and it sounds like your ready to be an asset to the site! I'm glad to see that Dave!! I don't see you getting a lot of backlash here. You are moving in the right direction.
One note for you to think about.... We have an obligation to confront anyone that strays from the principles of the site. Yes, it may drive them away. But in some cases that is necessary. If you aren't ready to drink the kool laid and be quit KTC style.... Then maybe you are not ready to be here. That is an unfortunate reality. The principles of this site are sacred and you need to play ball. Accepting anything less than that hurts everyone.
Anyhow, I see you are ready. I will quit with you today and wake up tomorrow and do it again.
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Good to see you back and it sounds like you held that quit by a shoestring! Way to hold that quit!!! Nonetheless... Your quit and it sounds like your ready to be an asset to the site! I'm glad to see that Dave!! I don't see you getting a lot of backlash here. You are moving in the right direction.
One note for you to think about.... We have an obligation to confront anyone that strays from the principles of the site. Yes, it may drive them away. But in some cases that is necessary. If you aren't ready to drink the kool laid and be quit KTC style.... Then maybe you are not ready to be here. That is an unfortunate reality. The principles of this site are sacred and you need to play ball. Accepting anything less than that hurts everyone.
Anyhow, I see you are ready. I will quit with you today and wake up tomorrow and do it again.
That is a 100% it a few may be scared away but the greater good is that the herd stays strong not magic just the evolution and the truth
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Hi Guys,
I have a special request from a close friend of mine. A local radio station is hosting a contest called "Dental Mouth Makeover." I think the name aptly explains itself.
If you could spare five minutes of your time to show some support and vote for him, it would be greatly appreciated and could very well extend his life by a whole lot. He is extremely hard working and has always put his family above himself.
1. Click this link: Gerber Dental Mouth Makeover (http://www.wheb.com/cc-common/contests/photo_contest.php?id=256432&image_id=361150)
2. Make sure you are viewing #113. Click the right most selection bubble (horrible). If you do not wish to use your personal email address, Click Here! (http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/) to use 10-Minute Mail. - Copy and paste the provided email address and click vote. You will receive a message saying you need to register to vote.
- Make sure you use legitimate information, but use your 10 minute email as your email address.
- Submit this form then wait a couple of minutes for the verification email to come through.
- Verify your 10 minute email, then resubmit your vote, making sure you are still on #113.
- After 10 minutes your "email" will self-destruct and you will not need to worry about your account again.
Thank you to everyone that shows support for this husband, father of five and friend to many. You have my everlasting gratitude.
If anyone knows of a better spot to post this that could get more views, please repost it there. If you are feeling really compassionate, please share this in your own intro.
Thank you again, and I am proud to be quit with all of you.
Dave
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Yes, I am still quit. Its been hell though, which helped reel me back in.
Stick with it, remember the phone connections let me know if you need another quitter to text or talk to. I will be happy to help.
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Welcome back Dave!
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Welcome back Dave!
Thanks for the support Rob! Glad to be quit with you!
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Hi Guys,
I have a special request from a close friend of mine. A local radio station is hosting a contest called "Dental Mouth Makeover." I think the name aptly explains itself.
If you could spare five minutes of your time to show some support and vote for him, it would be greatly appreciated and could very well extend his life by a whole lot. He is extremely hard working and has always put his family above himself.
1. Click this link: Gerber Dental Mouth Makeover (http://www.wheb.com/cc-common/contests/photo_contest.php?id=256432&image_id=361150)
2. Make sure you are viewing #113. Click the right most selection bubble (horrible). If you do not wish to use your personal email address, Click Here! (http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/) to use 10-Minute Mail. - Copy and paste the provided email address and click vote. You will receive a message saying you need to register to vote.
- Make sure you use legitimate information, but use your 10 minute email as your email address.
- Submit this form then wait a couple of minutes for the verification email to come through.
- Verify your 10 minute email, then resubmit your vote, making sure you are still on #113.
- After 10 minutes your "email" will self-destruct and you will not need to worry about your account again.
Thank you to everyone that shows support for this husband, father of five and friend to many. You have my everlasting gratitude.
If anyone knows of a better spot to post this that could get more views, please repost it there. If you are feeling really compassionate, please share this in your own intro.
Thank you again, and I am proud to be quit with all of you.
Dave
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Hi Guys,
I have a special request from a close friend of mine. A local radio station is hosting a contest called "Dental Mouth Makeover." I think the name aptly explains itself.
If you could spare five minutes of your time to show some support and vote for him, it would be greatly appreciated and could very well extend his life by a whole lot. He is extremely hard working and has always put his family above himself.
1. Click this link: Gerber Dental Mouth Makeover (http://www.wheb.com/cc-common/contests/photo_contest.php?id=256432&image_id=361150)
2. Make sure you are viewing #113. Click the right most selection bubble (horrible). If you do not wish to use your personal email address, Click Here! (http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/) to use 10-Minute Mail. - Copy and paste the provided email address and click vote. You will receive a message saying you need to register to vote.
- Make sure you use legitimate information, but use your 10 minute email as your email address.
- Submit this form then wait a couple of minutes for the verification email to come through.
- Verify your 10 minute email, then resubmit your vote, making sure you are still on #113.
- After 10 minutes your "email" will self-destruct and you will not need to worry about your account again.
Thank you to everyone that shows support for this husband, father of five and friend to many. You have my everlasting gratitude.
If anyone knows of a better spot to post this that could get more views, please repost it there. If you are feeling really compassionate, please share this in your own intro.
Thank you again, and I am proud to be quit with all of you.
Dave
*~*~*~*BUMP*~*~*~*
Done. I'm guessing the contest is to get some dental work done?
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Hi Guys,
I have a special request from a close friend of mine. A local radio station is hosting a contest called "Dental Mouth Makeover." I think the name aptly explains itself.
If you could spare five minutes of your time to show some support and vote for him, it would be greatly appreciated and could very well extend his life by a whole lot. He is extremely hard working and has always put his family above himself.
1. Click this link: Gerber Dental Mouth Makeover (http://www.wheb.com/cc-common/contests/photo_contest.php?id=256432&image_id=361150)
2. Make sure you are viewing #113. Click the right most selection bubble (horrible). If you do not wish to use your personal email address, Click Here! (http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/) to use 10-Minute Mail. - Copy and paste the provided email address and click vote. You will receive a message saying you need to register to vote.
- Make sure you use legitimate information, but use your 10 minute email as your email address.
- Submit this form then wait a couple of minutes for the verification email to come through.
- Verify your 10 minute email, then resubmit your vote, making sure you are still on #113.
- After 10 minutes your "email" will self-destruct and you will not need to worry about your account again.
Thank you to everyone that shows support for this husband, father of five and friend to many. You have my everlasting gratitude.
If anyone knows of a better spot to post this that could get more views, please repost it there. If you are feeling really compassionate, please share this in your own intro.
Thank you again, and I am proud to be quit with all of you.
Dave
*~*~*~*BUMP*~*~*~*
Done. I'm guessing the contest is to get some dental work done?
Done
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Hi Guys,
I have a special request from a close friend of mine. A local radio station is hosting a contest called "Dental Mouth Makeover." I think the name aptly explains itself.
If you could spare five minutes of your time to show some support and vote for him, it would be greatly appreciated and could very well extend his life by a whole lot. He is extremely hard working and has always put his family above himself.
1. Click this link: Gerber Dental Mouth Makeover (http://www.wheb.com/cc-common/contests/photo_contest.php?id=256432&image_id=361150)
2. Make sure you are viewing #113. Click the right most selection bubble (horrible). If you do not wish to use your personal email address, Click Here! (http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/) to use 10-Minute Mail. - Copy and paste the provided email address and click vote. You will receive a message saying you need to register to vote.
- Make sure you use legitimate information, but use your 10 minute email as your email address.
- Submit this form then wait a couple of minutes for the verification email to come through.
- Verify your 10 minute email, then resubmit your vote, making sure you are still on #113.
- After 10 minutes your "email" will self-destruct and you will not need to worry about your account again.
Thank you to everyone that shows support for this husband, father of five and friend to many. You have my everlasting gratitude.
If anyone knows of a better spot to post this that could get more views, please repost it there. If you are feeling really compassionate, please share this in your own intro.
Thank you again, and I am proud to be quit with all of you.
Dave
*~*~*~*BUMP*~*~*~*
Done. I'm guessing the contest is to get some dental work done?
Done
Done
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Hey guys, apologies for the past month. Had kind of a mental meltdown and I am sorry that I let that affect all of you as much as it did.
Dave, we have spoken privately but I want to make sure to state this publicly on your intro. I am complete impressed with you and your willingness to set your pride aside, look at your own actions, recognize what you need to do to get the support you need and take action to get that support. I am proud to know you, proud to be quit with you and proud to have you with me in the November 13 Sky Divers. You know that you can lean on me for any support I can give and vice-verse. From here on out, we QLF together.
Dean
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Dave, we have spoken privately but I want to make sure to state this publicly on your intro. I am complete impressed with you and your willingness to set your pride aside, look at your own actions, recognize what you need to do to get the support you need and take action to get that support. I am proud to know you, proud to be quit with you and proud to have you with me in the November 13 Sky Divers. You know that you can lean on me for any support I can give and vice-verse. From here on out, we QLF together.
Dean
Uh-oh. Cats outta the bag now Dean. Ya thats right people, Dean and Dave working together. Didnt see that one coming now did ya?
Seriously though, we are now stronger for it, and that is something that will help us both, as well as everyone on here to be better quitters.
Proud to be your brother
Dave
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Glad to hear you are on-board. You have my number, call anytime.
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Wow, I'm really happy to see you're back here Dave, and that you are still quit!
You're even posting support in new quitter intros! Really proud of your efforts and turn-around, Dave!!! You have my full support. Quit with you today! Just shoot me a PM if you need another number.
Rick
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Wow, I'm really happy to see you're back here Dave, and that you are still quit!
You're even posting support in new quitter intros! Really proud of your efforts and turn-around, Dave!!! You have my full support. Quit with you today! Just shoot me a PM if you need another number.
Rick
If NoDippinDave or now "Keyboard Cowboy" hadn't shared his number with me himself I would have almost sworn that someone hacked his shit and is now quitting for him.
Dude, you are an inspirational story. Came back quit and is not only drinking the KTC Kool-Aide but is dishing it out as well.
I am damn glad to see you back with a vengeance brother, keep up the good quit!
P.S. you and dabean... 'getaroom'
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Wow, I'm really happy to see you're back here Dave, and that you are still quit!
You're even posting support in new quitter intros! Really proud of your efforts and turn-around, Dave!!! You have my full support. Quit with you today! Just shoot me a PM if you need another number.
Rick
If NoDippinDave or now "Keyboard Cowboy" hadn't shared his number with me himself I would have almost sworn that someone hacked his shit and is now quitting for him.
Dude, you are an inspirational story. Came back quit and is not only drinking the KTC Kool-Aide but is dishing it out as well.
I am damn glad to see you back with a vengeance brother, keep up the good quit!
P.S. you and dabean... 'getaroom'
'crackup'
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Wow, I'm really happy to see you're back here Dave, and that you are still quit!
You're even posting support in new quitter intros! Really proud of your efforts and turn-around, Dave!!! You have my full support. Quit with you today! Just shoot me a PM if you need another number.
Rick
If NoDippinDave or now "Keyboard Cowboy" hadn't shared his number with me himself I would have almost sworn that someone hacked his shit and is now quitting for him.
Dude, you are an inspirational story. Came back quit and is not only drinking the KTC Kool-Aide but is dishing it out as well.
I am damn glad to see you back with a vengeance brother, keep up the good quit!
P.S. you and dabean... 'getaroom'
Speaking of dabean, if you check his spreadsheet in the Nov group, you'll see that Dave has been a 100% poster for the last week since coming back. That's pretty dang badass!
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CORN NUTS
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quick question. im looking at the store at HOF coins. theres the coin itself, then theres the customizable one.
if i click the custom one it says PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT the Hall of Fame coin itself. This is the engraving. Hall of Fame coins are sold separately.
Im just confused I guess. Do i get the coin with the blank back or do i get the custom one and not have a front? seems kind of pointless to have two one sided coins.
thanks
d
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This thread has been an up and down ride. Wow!
Dave, I am happy to be QLF with you!
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quick question. im looking at the store at HOF coins. theres the coin itself, then theres the customizable one.
if i click the custom one it says PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT the Hall of Fame coin itself. This is the engraving. Hall of Fame coins are sold separately.
Im just confused I guess. Do i get the coin with the blank back or do i get the custom one and not have a front? seems kind of pointless to have two one sided coins.
thanks
d
Buy the coin.
If you want it ^^^^^ engraved buy the engraving option.
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Hey guys!
Just wanted to thank those who posted on my behalf this weekend. Had a really busy saturday and sunday, with sunday partaking in the 2013 Making Strides Against Breast Cancer. Altogether we raised $588,567! Here's to hoping one day we can find a cure for this and ensure more people get to see their next birthday!
Also, thanks Remshot for adding cowboy1-004168.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smileys-cowboy-004168.gif' /!--endemo--
hmm...^^^wtf?
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Dave... I'm hopping back on the site after being on vacation for about 3 weeks. I'm just catching up on things. I gotta say I am very pleased to see your change of heart/mind over the last few weeks. I had just about given up on you bro. I tried to be a text partner with you from the beginning but, well, you sucked :) It was all one-sided on my part. To see you come around and buy in has done my heart good. Proud of man and... It's about damn time! You have my number ~ use it if you need.
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thanks AJ!
how do you post in words of wisdom? should i just post it here and let a mod move it? thanks
dd
edit: alright i got it. just post here and mods will put it up. (hopefully)
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(If at all possible, could this be posted into Words of Wisdom) Hang in there ladies, its gonna be a long one....
Understanding the Wolf Pack Mentality
In nature, wolves form packs for a variety of reasons. Stability. Order. Survival. (To name a few)
Stability. "All for one, and one for all." -Alexandre Dumas (The Three Musketeers) Just like wolves work together to survive, every quitter here relies on his brothers. On members of his pack, so to speak. You are here to quit. If you stumble, someone will help you up. Ask, and you shall receive. Every brother here will go out of his way to help you. We are a community, a pack. When we work together, we are unstoppable.
Order. “Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.” -Henry Brooks Adams Without order, a pack would not exist. This community would not exist. Order is the glue that keeps us together. Stick to the KTC recipe, and you will get a perfect result every time. "If it aint broke, dont fix it." The hard work has been done for you; Simply walk in the tracks left by those who went before you. Everyone has their place. Step in line, drink the KTC kool-aide, rinse-repeat.
Survival. “He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress." -Anwar Sadat Taking the step towards quitting dip is the best thing you will have ever done for yourself. Look at it like this; If wolves do not eat, they will die. If you do not quit dip, you will die. I know, its a rough comparison, but you get the point. KTC has all the tools you need to survive, you just have to use them. (Dont forget to eat, drink and breathe though.)
These three traits help hold a pack together. They also help hold this community together. We help one another in our quits. We drink the kool-aide. And we post roll every damn day. Stability, Order, Survival. You cannot have one or the other. This is a package deal and they all work in unison to achieve one goal.
Just remember, there are two sides to every coin.
So you've been on the site for awhile. Your quit is going strong, you feel great. Maybe some of these thoughts are going through your nicotine deprived mind:- Posting roll is such a pain.
- Im cured.
- I've been clean for 6 weeks, I can do this on my own.
Uh-oh. If you are thinking any of these thoughts, take a step back now. Protect your survival. After all, these thoughts are nothing more than the Nic B*tch whispering to you. You've deprived her of your company for so long she will pull all sorts of nasty tricks to win you back. If you are at this point, you are walking a fine line between The Wolf Pack and The Lone Wolf. Real Life and Death stuff here.
Lone Wolf
About 50 days into my quit, I thought I could do it alone. I made no real effort to post roll, I was constantly picking fights with anyone who would fight back. Screw the brotherhood, the hell with the kool-aide, I dont need a site to be quit.
Instability
Chaos
Extinction
Instability. “I want a 100% kind of relationship, and I’m willing to give it 50%.
” -Jarod Kintz As soon as you walk away, you lose the support of everyone. You are just what you set off to be, alone. When the cravings hit, you are alone in your endeavor. No one is there to guide you through the fog, no one is there to lend a hand when you need it most. You are ALONE.
Chaos. “In chaos, there is fertility.” - Anaïs Nin And in fertility looms a dark and inviting cave. For the cave is the home of the Nic B*tch. She will your guide in the collapse of your quit. The cave seems oddly inviting, there is a familiarity about it.
Extinction. “Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -Carl Sagan Once you enter the cave, you are selling your soul to the devil. You will die. Plain and simple.
If going lone wolf was such a grand idea, dont you think we would all be doing it? Fact is, you cant do it. Not no way, not no how. Surely there is that one in a million guy that can, but do you really want to risk your life that its you?
Fear not! All is not lost. Simply take a step back. Utilize the tools at your disposal. Own your quit. Post roll every damn day! Talk to your brothers. Fact is, every last one of these guys has gone through the same thoughts you are having right now!
Dont be a special butterfly... Be an appreciated member of the pack! As much as you need us, we need you.
Read, read and read. And when your done reading, read some more. Read until your eyes are bleeding so bad you have something else to think about than walking away. Its simply not worth it.
Get your brothers numbers. Call them up, text them, do what it takes to strengthen your quit. Cause when your quit is strong, the pack is stronger for it.
Understand the Wolf Pack Mentality. If you're not already, become a proud member of our pack and QLF! If you're walking that line, think about what you have to lose.
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Words of Wisdom is generally something someone else nominates, not something that you ask for yourself. It's considered an honor.
Great thoughts though... Glad to see you get it. :)
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Thanks for sharing this Dave, the pack analogy is certainly appropriate for KTC it works wonders.
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thanks LHG for explaining that. wasnt really sure how that worked. was trying to find somewhere that more people would see it than buried in an intro.
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thanks LHG for explaining that. wasnt really sure how that worked. was trying to find somewhere that more people would see it than buried in an intro.
I suggest you put a hyperlink to it in your signature. :) Lots of people will click those and also if you want to reference it in the future, you can just tell someone "Hey, check out the Pack Mentality link in my sig."
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I suggest you put a hyperlink to it in your signature. :) Lots of people will click those and also if you want to reference it in the future, you can just tell someone "Hey, check out the Pack Mentality link in my sig."
great idea, hadnt even thought of that. thank you.
is there a way to view only that specific post? otherwise the link goes to the last page of the entire thread...
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I suggest you put a hyperlink to it in your signature. :) Lots of people will click those and also if you want to reference it in the future, you can just tell someone "Hey, check out the Pack Mentality link in my sig."
great idea, hadnt even thought of that. thank you.
is there a way to view only that specific post? otherwise the link goes to the last page of the entire thread...
Because you can't create a hyperlink for a single post, you might actually have to make it part of your HOF speech come November. Otherwise you'll have a hyperlink for your entire introduction (which some people do have) but because people can set the post limit themselves, what might be on "page 14" for you might actually be on page 3 for me.
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hmmm....ill see what i can do. thank you LHG
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You know...I was pulling for you from day one and now I just plain ol' don't care for you. I hope you stay quit but I hope you do it somewhere else.
I think I am starting to like you gain.... :o
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Thanks for posting that Dave. We are like packs and rightly so. Accountability and brotherhood breed success. Your outlook has changed so much. Again, thanks for that post.
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(If at all possible, could this be posted into Words of Wisdom) Hang in there ladies, its gonna be a long one....
Understanding the Wolf Pack Mentality
In nature, wolves form packs for a variety of reasons. Stability. Order. Survival. (To name a few)
Stability. "All for one, and one for all." -Alexandre Dumas (The Three Musketeers) Just like wolves work together to survive, every quitter here relies on his brothers. On members of his pack, so to speak. You are here to quit. If you stumble, someone will help you up. Ask, and you shall receive. Every brother here will go out of his way to help you. We are a community, a pack. When we work together, we are unstoppable.
Order. “Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.” -Henry Brooks Adams Without order, a pack would not exist. This community would not exist. Order is the glue that keeps us together. Stick to the KTC recipe, and you will get a perfect result every time. "If it aint broke, dont fix it." The hard work has been done for you; Simply walk in the tracks left by those who went before you. Everyone has their place. Step in line, drink the KTC kool-aide, rinse-repeat.
Survival. “He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress." -Anwar Sadat Taking the step towards quitting dip is the best thing you will have ever done for yourself. Look at it like this; If wolves do not eat, they will die. If you do not quit dip, you will die. I know, its a rough comparison, but you get the point. KTC has all the tools you need to survive, you just have to use them. (Dont forget to eat, drink and breathe though.)
These three traits help hold a pack together. They also help hold this community together. We help one another in our quits. We drink the kool-aide. And we post roll every damn day. Stability, Order, Survival. You cannot have one or the other. This is a package deal and they all work in unison to achieve one goal.
Just remember, there are two sides to every coin.
So you've been on the site for awhile. Your quit is going strong, you feel great. Maybe some of these thoughts are going through your nicotine deprived mind:- Posting roll is such a pain.
- Im cured.
- I've been clean for 6 weeks, I can do this on my own.
Uh-oh. If you are thinking any of these thoughts, take a step back now. Protect your survival. After all, these thoughts are nothing more than the Nic B*tch whispering to you. You've deprived her of your company for so long she will pull all sorts of nasty tricks to win you back. If you are at this point, you are walking a fine line between The Wolf Pack and The Lone Wolf. Real Life and Death stuff here.
Lone Wolf
About 50 days into my quit, I thought I could do it alone. I made no real effort to post roll, I was constantly picking fights with anyone who would fight back. Screw the brotherhood, the hell with the kool-aide, I dont need a site to be quit.
Instability
Chaos
Extinction
Instability. “I want a 100% kind of relationship, and I’m willing to give it 50%.
” -Jarod Kintz As soon as you walk away, you lose the support of everyone. You are just what you set off to be, alone. When the cravings hit, you are alone in your endeavor. No one is there to guide you through the fog, no one is there to lend a hand when you need it most. You are ALONE.
Chaos. “In chaos, there is fertility.” - Anaïs Nin And in fertility looms a dark and inviting cave. For the cave is the home of the Nic B*tch. She will your guide in the collapse of your quit. The cave seems oddly inviting, there is a familiarity about it.
Extinction. “Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -Carl Sagan Once you enter the cave, you are selling your soul to the devil. You will die. Plain and simple.
If going lone wolf was such a grand idea, dont you think we would all be doing it? Fact is, you cant do it. Not no way, not no how. Surely there is that one in a million guy that can, but do you really want to risk your life that its you?
Fear not! All is not lost. Simply take a step back. Utilize the tools at your disposal. Own your quit. Post roll every damn day! Talk to your brothers. Fact is, every last one of these guys has gone through the same thoughts you are having right now!
Dont be a special butterfly... Be an appreciated member of the pack! As much as you need us, we need you.
Read, read and read. And when your done reading, read some more. Read until your eyes are bleeding so bad you have something else to think about than walking away. Its simply not worth it.
Get your brothers numbers. Call them up, text them, do what it takes to strengthen your quit. Cause when your quit is strong, the pack is stronger for it.
Understand the Wolf Pack Mentality. If you're not already, become a proud member of our pack and QLF! If you're walking that line, think about what you have to lose.
Bump.
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(If at all possible, could this be posted into Words of Wisdom) Hang in there ladies, its gonna be a long one....
Understanding the Wolf Pack Mentality
In nature, wolves form packs for a variety of reasons. Stability. Order. Survival. (To name a few)
Stability. "All for one, and one for all." -Alexandre Dumas (The Three Musketeers) Just like wolves work together to survive, every quitter here relies on his brothers. On members of his pack, so to speak. You are here to quit. If you stumble, someone will help you up. Ask, and you shall receive. Every brother here will go out of his way to help you. We are a community, a pack. When we work together, we are unstoppable.
Order. “Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.” -Henry Brooks Adams Without order, a pack would not exist. This community would not exist. Order is the glue that keeps us together. Stick to the KTC recipe, and you will get a perfect result every time. "If it aint broke, dont fix it." The hard work has been done for you; Simply walk in the tracks left by those who went before you. Everyone has their place. Step in line, drink the KTC kool-aide, rinse-repeat.
Survival. “He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress." -Anwar Sadat Taking the step towards quitting dip is the best thing you will have ever done for yourself. Look at it like this; If wolves do not eat, they will die. If you do not quit dip, you will die. I know, its a rough comparison, but you get the point. KTC has all the tools you need to survive, you just have to use them. (Dont forget to eat, drink and breathe though.)
These three traits help hold a pack together. They also help hold this community together. We help one another in our quits. We drink the kool-aide. And we post roll every damn day. Stability, Order, Survival. You cannot have one or the other. This is a package deal and they all work in unison to achieve one goal.
Just remember, there are two sides to every coin.
So you've been on the site for awhile. Your quit is going strong, you feel great. Maybe some of these thoughts are going through your nicotine deprived mind:- Posting roll is such a pain.
- Im cured.
- I've been clean for 6 weeks, I can do this on my own.
Uh-oh. If you are thinking any of these thoughts, take a step back now. Protect your survival. After all, these thoughts are nothing more than the Nic B*tch whispering to you. You've deprived her of your company for so long she will pull all sorts of nasty tricks to win you back. If you are at this point, you are walking a fine line between The Wolf Pack and The Lone Wolf. Real Life and Death stuff here.
Lone Wolf
About 50 days into my quit, I thought I could do it alone. I made no real effort to post roll, I was constantly picking fights with anyone who would fight back. Screw the brotherhood, the hell with the kool-aide, I dont need a site to be quit.
Instability
Chaos
Extinction
Instability. “I want a 100% kind of relationship, and I’m willing to give it 50%.
” -Jarod Kintz As soon as you walk away, you lose the support of everyone. You are just what you set off to be, alone. When the cravings hit, you are alone in your endeavor. No one is there to guide you through the fog, no one is there to lend a hand when you need it most. You are ALONE.
Chaos. “In chaos, there is fertility.” - Anaïs Nin And in fertility looms a dark and inviting cave. For the cave is the home of the Nic B*tch. She will your guide in the collapse of your quit. The cave seems oddly inviting, there is a familiarity about it.
Extinction. “Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -Carl Sagan Once you enter the cave, you are selling your soul to the devil. You will die. Plain and simple.
If going lone wolf was such a grand idea, dont you think we would all be doing it? Fact is, you cant do it. Not no way, not no how. Surely there is that one in a million guy that can, but do you really want to risk your life that its you?
Fear not! All is not lost. Simply take a step back. Utilize the tools at your disposal. Own your quit. Post roll every damn day! Talk to your brothers. Fact is, every last one of these guys has gone through the same thoughts you are having right now!
Dont be a special butterfly... Be an appreciated member of the pack! As much as you need us, we need you.
Read, read and read. And when your done reading, read some more. Read until your eyes are bleeding so bad you have something else to think about than walking away. Its simply not worth it.
Get your brothers numbers. Call them up, text them, do what it takes to strengthen your quit. Cause when your quit is strong, the pack is stronger for it.
Understand the Wolf Pack Mentality. If you're not already, become a proud member of our pack and QLF! If you're walking that line, think about what you have to lose.
Bump.
Now that is a great read and enlightening. Being a Bear kind of guy I am a loner for the most part but I find the gifts of the group here work wonders. I tried a thousand times to do it alone ... didn't work. Being here at least once a day as a member of the "Pack" I find that stability I need to keep it quit ... besides I really don't like getting my ass chewed by a bunch of strange guys ... I get enough of that at work ... so keeping quit and posting roll keep me quit.
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(If at all possible, could this be posted into Words of Wisdom) Hang in there ladies, its gonna be a long one....
Understanding the Wolf Pack Mentality
In nature, wolves form packs for a variety of reasons. Stability. Order. Survival. (To name a few)
Stability. "All for one, and one for all." -Alexandre Dumas (The Three Musketeers) Just like wolves work together to survive, every quitter here relies on his brothers. On members of his pack, so to speak. You are here to quit. If you stumble, someone will help you up. Ask, and you shall receive. Every brother here will go out of his way to help you. We are a community, a pack. When we work together, we are unstoppable.
Order. “Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.” -Henry Brooks Adams  Without order, a pack would not exist. This community would not exist. Order is the glue that keeps us together. Stick to the KTC recipe, and you will get a perfect result every time. "If it aint broke, dont fix it." The hard work has been done for you; Simply walk in the tracks left by those who went before you. Everyone has their place. Step in line, drink the KTC kool-aide, rinse-repeat.
Survival. “He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress." -Anwar Sadat Taking the step towards quitting dip is the best thing you will have ever done for yourself. Look at it like this; If wolves do not eat, they will die. If you do not quit dip, you will die. I know, its a rough comparison, but you get the point. KTC has all the tools you need to survive, you just have to use them. (Dont forget to eat, drink and breathe though.)
These three traits help hold a pack together. They also help hold this community together. We help one another in our quits. We drink the kool-aide. And we post roll every damn day. Stability, Order, Survival. You cannot have one or the other. This is a package deal and they all work in unison to achieve one goal.
Just remember, there are two sides to every coin.
So you've been on the site for awhile. Your quit is going strong, you feel great. Maybe some of these thoughts are going through your nicotine deprived mind:- Posting roll is such a pain.
- Im cured.
- I've been clean for 6 weeks, I can do this on my own.
Uh-oh. If you are thinking any of these thoughts, take a step back now. Protect your survival. After all, these thoughts are nothing more than the Nic B*tch whispering to you. You've deprived her of your company for so long she will pull all sorts of nasty tricks to win you back. If you are at this point, you are walking a fine line between The Wolf Pack and The Lone Wolf. Real Life and Death stuff here.
Lone Wolf
About 50 days into my quit, I thought I could do it alone. I made no real effort to post roll, I was constantly picking fights with anyone who would fight back. Screw the brotherhood, the hell with the kool-aide, I dont need a site to be quit.
Instability
Chaos
Extinction
Instability. “I want a 100% kind of relationship, and I’m willing to give it 50%.
” -Jarod Kintz As soon as you walk away, you lose the support of everyone. You are just what you set off to be, alone. When the cravings hit, you are alone in your endeavor. No one is there to guide you through the fog, no one is there to lend a hand when you need it most. You are ALONE.
Chaos. “In chaos, there is fertility.” - Anaïs Nin And in fertility looms a dark and inviting cave. For the cave is the home of the Nic B*tch. She will your guide in the collapse of your quit. The cave seems oddly inviting, there is a familiarity about it.
Extinction. “Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -Carl Sagan Once you enter the cave, you are selling your soul to the devil. You will die. Plain and simple.
If going lone wolf was such a grand idea, dont you think we would all be doing it? Fact is, you cant do it. Not no way, not no how. Surely there is that one in a million guy that can, but do you really want to risk your life that its you?
Fear not! All is not lost. Simply take a step back. Utilize the tools at your disposal. Own your quit. Post roll every damn day! Talk to your brothers. Fact is, every last one of these guys has gone through the same thoughts you are having right now!
Dont be a special butterfly... Be an appreciated member of the pack! As much as you need us, we need you.
Read, read and read. And when your done reading, read some more. Read until your eyes are bleeding so bad you have something else to think about than walking away. Its simply not worth it.
Get your brothers numbers. Call them up, text them, do what it takes to strengthen your quit. Cause when your quit is strong, the pack is stronger for it.
Understand the Wolf Pack Mentality. If you're not already, become a proud member of our pack and QLF! If you're walking that line, think about what you have to lose.
Bump.
Now that is a great read and enlightening. Being a Bear kind of guy I am a loner for the most part but I find the gifts of the group here work wonders. I tried a thousand times to do it alone ... didn't work. Being here at least once a day as a member of the "Pack" I find that stability I need to keep it quit ... besides I really don't like getting my ass chewed by a bunch of strange guys ... I get enough of that at work ... so keeping quit and posting roll keep me quit.
You guys are really pulling together in November, I am glad to see that. Keep up the good work....The train will pulling into November soon for you guys!
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A little update, havent done this in a while.
Had a REALLY bad anxiety attack at work tonight. Had a migraine all weekend then I get to work and its like walking into a wall of fog. I have to say, I counted myself lucky for I never really felt terribly foggy early in my quit. Sure, I was tired and lazy but not anything out of sorts for the typical american I am.
Tonight I got a nasty taste of all the fog I hadnt yet felt and then some. Felt like I was watching myself from outside my body. Everything was in slow motion. Really fucked up. Soon as those ear plugs went in, BAM. Hit me like a ton of bricks.
About two hours into work I started getting cold. Im in a 90+ degree factory for fucks sake! Legit freezing. What the hell? The headache comes back, just about knocks me on my ass. Temples pulsating, behind my eyes burning. Thats just scratching the surface.
I starting feeling funny. I know thats vague but im not sure how else to explain it. I wasnt dizzy at all, but a couple times I stumbled, or tripped on thin air. What the hell is going on?
Then comes the paranoia. I have no idea why, I have no idea what I was paranoid about. My eyes darted all over the place. I kept jumping at every noise. (And like I said, im in a factory; there is a TON of noise)
Then my mind started traveling. Thinking thoughts that were not my own. I could leave work early. I can go to the store and buy a can. Yes, a can. That would help.
I spent over an hour telling myself that this is what I would do. Then my mind took made a sharp U-turn. Conversations ive had with my brothers here fluttered through my mind. Guys early on in my quit saying my cave was the most premeditated cave they had seen. What was I thinking now? I was planning a cave AGAIN.
I thought to call a brother on my break, but then I got to thinking they would be eating dinner with their families. I didnt want to bother them. They are quit. They deserve family time.
My mind was going nuts. I got my boss over, told him I was leaving early. I did. I had to call for a ride, so I walked to the store. I stopped at the counter and just stared at all the cans. It would be so easy to just buy one can. Just one. Just one dip and I would feel better. I had to.
I wasnt ready to check-out though. I needed some tylenol for my head first. I found some and was walking back to the counter when I noticed something that caught my eye.
A bag of dill pickle sunflower seeds. That sparked yet another memory. I chose the seeds over the can. Thanks, Grizzfall.
This is how my night went. I got home and devoured that bag with pleasure. (your right grizz, alot easier on the cheek)
Now just a lingering headache. I guess if there is anything to learn from this, its that the Nic Bitch CAN sneak up on you at ANYTIME.
Be wary brothers, and FUCK ANXIETY!
NAFAR,
DD911 - Day 89.
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Dave,
I'm glad you fought through and won that battle but not reaching out was foolish. Your excuse about not wanting to bother anyone eating dinner with their family is just dumb. Be honest with yourself... It wasn't about not wanting to bother anyone. It was pride.
You're gonna have to lay that pride down sometimes and reach out for help. You're still wanting to be the big strong lone wolf. It's just not necessary.
Glad you're quit. Next time though... Let someone stand beside you. It does everyone good when that happens. Think of it this way: You denied your brothers a chance to help you out which could have strengthened their own quit. And if they are ever in trouble... You denied yourself the opportunity to return the favor.
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Dave,
I'm glad you fought through and won that battle but not reaching out was foolish. Your excuse about not wanting to bother anyone eating dinner with their family is just dumb. Be honest with yourself... It wasn't about not wanting to bother anyone. It was pride.
You're gonna have to lay that pride down sometimes and reach out for help. You're still wanting to be the big strong lone wolf. It's just not necessary.
Glad you're quit. Next time though... Let someone stand beside you. It does everyone good when that happens. Think of it this way: You denied your brothers a chance to help you out which could have strengthened their own quit. And if they are ever in trouble... You denied yourself the opportunity to return the favor.
Read LHG's post. Seriously, Dave.
To remove this excuse, make sure you have numbers for folks in each time zone. I'm in CA if you need a west coast number. East Coast dinner is West Coast work day.
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I know it is a poor excuse. I did go into live chat, but it was empty.
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Dave,
I'm glad you fought through and won that battle but not reaching out was foolish. Your excuse about not wanting to bother anyone eating dinner with their family is just dumb. Be honest with yourself... It wasn't about not wanting to bother anyone. It was pride.
You're gonna have to lay that pride down sometimes and reach out for help. You're still wanting to be the big strong lone wolf. It's just not necessary.
Glad you're quit. Next time though... Let someone stand beside you. It does everyone good when that happens. Think of it this way: You denied your brothers a chance to help you out which could have strengthened their own quit. And if they are ever in trouble... You denied yourself the opportunity to return the favor.
Read LHG's post. Seriously, Dave.
To remove this excuse, make sure you have numbers for folks in each time zone. I'm in CA if you need a west coast number. East Coast dinner is West Coast work day.
Wise words, but let me make a suggestion here - reach out NOW when things are good. Dont just get a bunch of numbers for use in an emergency. You wont use them. "Brotherhood" is not just a word thrown in to balance the equation of "Brotherhood + Accountability = Success." It is a VITAL part of it. You dont build brotherhood during emergencies, you call on it. There are literally dozens of quitters I could call on at any time and I know they would answer or respond in some way ASAP. I text with a bunch of them at least weekly. I have talked to a bunch of them on the phone, and at least two or three I have met in person (working on meeting more).
DO NOT WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT SPELUNKING PLANNING SESSION BEGINS! Reach out now! Texting is a great way to break the ice, and also a quick way to find out if you would be disturbing their dinner or family time or naps or whatever other excuse you can think of NOT to make the call.
Good work powering through on your own, but you aren't grasping the full power of KTC. Build your brotherhood, be accountable, and you will ensure your success. No more lone ranger, we all have been there tried that and have the failed stops to prove it. If you need a number, PM me and you can have mine.
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DippinDave911 – This single quitter lives in Hill, HN and is currently dating his high school sweetheart for going on 5 years now. No kids yet! He started dipping at the ripe age of 15, and dipped almost anything mint. Dave indicated that in the event of an accident like the Nic Bitch showing up on the train his emergency contact is a KTC All-Points-Bulletin (bud if that bitch jumps on here I will have my foot on her throat). The craziest thing this quitter did was that he jumped off a ski lift in sixth grade with a friend, he was on a snowboard, I had on skis and dropped 25’ and snapped my tib-fib; didn’t feel it till they reset the bone (ouch). Dave is going to spend day 100 by going to work, then might go buy that rifle he’s had his eyes after saving over 800 dollars by not buying dip. November, beware DD911 is planning on signing up for 200 days, so he too will be waiting for you on the train. This quitter's favorite movie is Braveheart and his favorite TV show is Revolution. This quitter has been working in factories his whole life and stated “that is what happens when you waste your time in school trying to find your next can”.
Dave is driving nothing at the moment with a94 Mazda b3000 pickup in the shop; looking at getting a 80s k5 blazer to convert to pick up. This quitter likes taking things apart. Not so good at putting back together. I like to see how things work and I like to mickey rig things with other things IÂ’ve taken apart. Currently tearing down junk computer towers for scrap, eBay is my most recent hobby. His favorite Avatar is actually the one generated by his nickname bestowed upon him by a Veteran Quitter. Dave is afraid of anyone getting on his ass, because if they're getting on his ass he is doing something wrong. This guy know from experience by caving, then venting and getting his ass handed to him a couple of times (brother I am proud of the KTC quitter you have become).
Pretty much everyone has been a huge inspiration, especially the vets. Dave has had a lot of help from a lot of people: Dean, Shane, James, Mitchell, Shawn (sorry if I missed someone) have been with me through it all. Special shout-out to Pat. I get the pleasure of coming home from work knowing that he will be in live chat; we shoot the shit almost every night, itÂ’s great having someone I know I can talk to almost all the time, especially when IÂ’m at home where I have very limited cell service.
cowboy
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DippinDave911 – This single quitter lives in Hill, HN and is currently dating his high school sweetheart for going on 5 years now. No kids yet! He started dipping at the ripe age of 15, and dipped almost anything mint. Dave indicated that in the event of an accident like the Nic Bitch showing up on the train his emergency contact is a KTC All-Points-Bulletin (bud if that bitch jumps on here I will have my foot on her throat). The craziest thing this quitter did was that he jumped off a ski lift in sixth grade with a friend, he was on a snowboard, I had on skis and dropped 25’ and snapped my tib-fib; didn’t feel it till they reset the bone (ouch). Dave is going to spend day 100 by going to work, then might go buy that rifle he’s had his eyes after saving over 800 dollars by not buying dip. November, beware DD911 is planning on signing up for 200 days, so he too will be waiting for you on the train. This quitter's favorite movie is Braveheart and his favorite TV show is Revolution. This quitter has been working in factories his whole life and stated “that is what happens when you waste your time in school trying to find your next can”.
Dave is driving nothing at the moment with a94 Mazda b3000 pickup in the shop; looking at getting a 80s k5 blazer to convert to pick up. This quitter likes taking things apart. Not so good at putting back together. I like to see how things work and I like to mickey rig things with other things IÂ’ve taken apart. Currently tearing down junk computer towers for scrap, eBay is my most recent hobby. His favorite Avatar is actually the one generated by his nickname bestowed upon him by a Veteran Quitter. Dave is afraid of anyone getting on his ass, because if they're getting on his ass he is doing something wrong. This guy know from experience by caving, then venting and getting his ass handed to him a couple of times (brother I am proud of the KTC quitter you have become).
Pretty much everyone has been a huge inspiration, especially the vets. Dave has had a lot of help from a lot of people: Dean, Shane, James, Mitchell, Shawn (sorry if I missed someone) have been with me through it all. Special shout-out to Pat. I get the pleasure of coming home from work knowing that he will be in live chat; we shoot the shit almost every night, itÂ’s great having someone I know I can talk to almost all the time, especially when IÂ’m at home where I have very limited cell service.
cowboy
Congrats brother, now sit down, strap in, and let's roll! - Pinched
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Way to go man!!!! It was one hell of a ride for you and I am very proud of you.
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Way to go man!!!! It was one hell of a ride for you and I am very proud of you.
I'm glad to see this dave. Good job!!
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A little update, havent done this in a while.
Had a REALLY bad anxiety attack at work tonight. Had a migraine all weekend then I get to work and its like walking into a wall of fog. I have to say, I counted myself lucky for I never really felt terribly foggy early in my quit. Sure, I was tired and lazy but not anything out of sorts for the typical american I am.
Tonight I got a nasty taste of all the fog I hadnt yet felt and then some. Felt like I was watching myself from outside my body. Everything was in slow motion. Really fucked up. Soon as those ear plugs went in, BAM. Hit me like a ton of bricks.
About two hours into work I started getting cold. Im in a 90+ degree factory for fucks sake! Legit freezing. What the hell? The headache comes back, just about knocks me on my ass. Temples pulsating, behind my eyes burning. Thats just scratching the surface.
I starting feeling funny. I know thats vague but im not sure how else to explain it. I wasnt dizzy at all, but a couple times I stumbled, or tripped on thin air. What the hell is going on?
Then comes the paranoia. I have no idea why, I have no idea what I was paranoid about. My eyes darted all over the place. I kept jumping at every noise. (And like I said, im in a factory; there is a TON of noise)
Then my mind started traveling. Thinking thoughts that were not my own. I could leave work early. I can go to the store and buy a can. Yes, a can. That would help.
I spent over an hour telling myself that this is what I would do. Then my mind took made a sharp U-turn. Conversations ive had with my brothers here fluttered through my mind. Guys early on in my quit saying my cave was the most premeditated cave they had seen. What was I thinking now? I was planning a cave AGAIN.
I thought to call a brother on my break, but then I got to thinking they would be eating dinner with their families. I didnt want to bother them. They are quit. They deserve family time.
My mind was going nuts. I got my boss over, told him I was leaving early. I did. I had to call for a ride, so I walked to the store. I stopped at the counter and just stared at all the cans. It would be so easy to just buy one can. Just one. Just one dip and I would feel better. I had to.
I wasnt ready to check-out though. I needed some tylenol for my head first. I found some and was walking back to the counter when I noticed something that caught my eye.
A bag of dill pickle sunflower seeds. That sparked yet another memory. I chose the seeds over the can. Thanks, Grizzfall.
This is how my night went. I got home and devoured that bag with pleasure. (your right grizz, alot easier on the cheek)
Now just a lingering headache. I guess if there is anything to learn from this, its that the Nic Bitch CAN sneak up on you at ANYTIME.
Be wary brothers, and FUCK ANXIETY!
NAFAR,
DD911 - Day 89.
Dave,
You just cemented the idea that each of us has an impact on others beyond our realization. I have had those torn moments in a corner store where you look at all the pretty color circles behind the counter...drooling. And you chose dill flavored sunflower seeds. Thats awesome. Thats winning. Fuck the naysayers and just keep trudging along. Next time you see the circle display, hate it.
-Grizzfall
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Nice job brudda. Nice job!
You've pissed me off more than a time or 2 but, what the hell, that's life. Watching you turn your quit around was gratifying. Congrats on your 100 bro! See you at 101...
Shane
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I was out of contact yesterday, so congrats on 101! Proud to be quit with you!
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I missed you yesterday brother, congrats on your HOF Dave!
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thank you everyone that has helped me get here. definately would not have come this far without your support. (as much as i pissed you off along the way)
i can see 200 off in the distance...im running for it.
proud to be quit with ya'll.
dave
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Found this earlier. Couldnt have worded it better. Ill post the link but the site does not have a secure connection. Four Stages of Accountability (https://www.leadershipiq.com/great-leaders-recognize-the-four-stages-of-accountability/)
Accountability is where every leader wants their people to be mentally and emotionally. The accountable employee is one who says, “Despite the challenges I’m facing, I will handle this. I understand where my performance is and how I stack up. I’m going to measure my progress, work on it and I won’t give up. I take ownership, and I enjoy taking ownership.”
But accountability is not a black or white, either/or phenomenon. There are four stages leading up to accountability: denial, blame, excuses and anxiety. And dealing with an employee who is in denial is very different than dealing with somebody whoÂ’s in anxiety stage, just as helping someone move past blame is different than helping them move past the excuses stage. Learning where your organization and your people sit on these stages of accountability allows leaders to direct and design an approach to increase the levels of employee accountability.
HereÂ’s an overview of the four stages and what they look and sound like:
Denial: denial is the opposite of accountability. It’s an emotional and mental state that sounds something like this: “I don’t want to know. Nothing’s wrong. I am going to bury my head in the sand because I don’t want to know anything about this.” One clue that tells leaders that their people may be stuck in denial is not hearing about bad news.
Blame: Once people come out of denial it usually leads into blame. Blame is where folks accept that there is an issue, but they put the responsibility for that issue on someone else. One clue that you’re hearing blame is that it typically includes a proper name and sounds something like this: “There is an issue and I get that, but it’s not my issue; it’s somebody else’s issue. It’s Bob’s in the accounting department, or it’s Jill’s over in marketing, or it’s whoever’s—it’s somebody else’s. It’s not my issue. It’s somebody else’s problem.” The most accountable employees have constructive, 100 % Leaders who focus on fixing problems and mistakes instead of focusing on affixing blame.
Excuses: Once people come out of blame, they usually fall into excuses. Excuses typically sound like this: “Alright. You know what, I get that there’s an issue. Sure. I accept that. And you know what? I’ll even accept that it was my issue. But it’s not something for which I am totally responsible because I couldn’t get that report done because the server went down… I couldn’t do it because the dog ate my homework… Listen, there were mitigating circumstances. Yeah, I guess it’s my responsibility; I’m not assigning it to somebody else… I guess it falls on me but there were all these other factors that came into play here.” People typically resort to excuses out of a fear of being blamed. 100 % Leaders eliminate blame and provide support and encouragement, allowing employees to solve and learn from problems and errors.
Anxiety: The final stage before accountability is anxiety, and while people may be totally freaked out, we actually start to see people take some real ownership here. They might say: “Listen. You know what, I get that there’s an issue. It’s not somebody else’s issue, it’s my issue, and I’m not even going to fall back on an excuse that there were these mitigating circumstances. It’s on me. But now I’m freaking out because I don’t know if I know how to fix this or not, and I don’t want to get fired. The walls are coming down and we can’t possibly solve this all in time.” It’s the freak-out mode and even though it seems like folks far away from accountability (because they’re freaking out and anxious), they’re actually very close.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.
Me? I don't need luck.
P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.
Me? I don't need luck.
P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.
Me? I don't need luck.
P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
Dave,
I have read your post I think that if you reread your 8th paragraph you will find the real reason you are so angry. You were betrayed the truth set him free and now you are stuck in his misery he was having keeping it a secret.
I caution you leaving the site if history holds true there will be 3 out of 5 of you back posting day 1's. That is if pride doesn't keep you from coming back. I also warn you the holidays are coming it is a shit time to be solo. Do as you must.
T
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.
Me? I don't need luck.
P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
hate to see anyone leave but none of this is new this is not the only group that has gone through this, but guess what people still come here and gets results even repeat cavers come back for the bashing why? because this system works period and most of those become very strong quitters and then they are the ones doing the bashing. brotherhood works better when you ask for help before you do something wrong did that happen?
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.
Me? I don't need luck.
P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
hate to see anyone leave but none of this is new this is not the only group that has gone through this, but guess what people still come here and gets results even repeat cavers come back for the bashing why? because this system works period and most of those become very strong quitters and then they are the ones doing the bashing. brotherhood works better when you ask for help before you do something wrong did that happen?
Good luck Dave, see you on the other side.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Like I could NOT respond to getting smeared. Nice writting a post where you try to cover your ass for every response. Tells me you really don't believe in what you are saying, or else you don't build in your rebuttals to rebuttals.
Yawn. Ok dude. Whatever you say. I never "bragged" about how many posts I had, I was simply responding to your allegation that I don't do anything here or help anybody.
I might not be your cup of tea, but I will always fight for the integrity of a site that saved my life.
The truth is you are judging me off this Paddy Mac deal and not have seen my full body of work.
The next time someone reveals they posted 100+ days with a dip in, I will be on my soap box again. Don't care if anyone follows me or not. I say what I feel, and that's it.
Paddy Mac was a festering sore on the body of Ktc. That's why the admins picked him off.
If I'm one too, I hope they would do the same to me.
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"We love you when you're mad." Lewis Scolnick, Lamda Lamda Lamda.
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Dave,
You should go read the NOV thread before falling on your sword Doc2quit4good put up some pretty damning info about your sweet buddy Paddywacked seems he has been a longstanding douche bag. Sounds like he gets off friending people and then dropping bombshells on them. He is sick and twisted an I hope he gets a check up from the neck up.
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Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one.
Your little band Dave, they are not the whole of November '13. What about November '12?..... I won't recant what he did there, it's been covered to death. What about the site as a whole?
What if I told my Duck brothers like Pinched that I was dipping the whole time I've been posting quit? Do you think he would rally behind me or that he would feel like he'd been violated. I know what I would feel...... If my Oct brothers came to me after a cave, with honesty... no problem, but that was not the situation here.... was it?
I hope you guys that are keeping stuff stirred up do leave honestly, then we can get back to quitting and helping new quitters.
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Like I could NOT respond to getting smeared. Nice writting a post where you try to cover your ass for every response. Tells me you really don't believe in what you are saying, or else you don't build in your rebuttals to rebuttals.
Yawn. Ok dude. Whatever you say. I never "bragged" about how many posts I had, I was simply responding to your allegation that I don't do anything here or help anybody.
I might not be your cup of tea, but I will always fight for the integrity of a site that saved my life.
The truth is you are judging me off this Paddy Mac deal and not have seen my full body of work.
The next time someone reveals they posted 100+ days with a dip in, I will be on my soap box again. Don't care if anyone follows me or not. I say what I feel, and that's it.
Paddy Mac was a festering sore on the body of Ktc. That's why the admins picked him off.
If I'm one too, I hope they would do the same to me.
Ok all, I have been quiet a lot too. I said this in the chat room with a few guys and think it applies greatly.
1 - We are human, and yes when we have quit we want those who are wishing the same to do so. So whoever and where ever they are I will support someone who want to quit tobacco.
2 - We are also a site that is built on the Brotherhood and Accountability from those who join. With this comes a great set of rules that need to be followed. And I believe to protect the integrity of the site and these rules, that the proper course of action has been taken.
So when you look at it, it has been a take and use what you can and leave the rest. if in this case you still talk to, text, and support someone who is no longer a part of KTC, then I say great. As that is part of building brotherhood and family. But when a case comes along to endanger a system, the system has to be protected.
So if you ask me, do I support Paddy. the answer is yes
Do I support him as a part of the site here, that answer is no
I think this is something we can all at least see ...
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Dave,
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Cavers are cancer. If Paddy can cheat why can't I ? Or you?
Ktc doesn't drive away quitters, it drives away cavers . I didn't cheat this quit, not once in almost 1800 days. I have been accountable every day since day one. I lied to everyone in my life about quitting at one point or another until I joined KTC. A bunch of strangers that hurt with me every damn day gave me strength. If they could do it , so could I . And if I could do it so can you and Paddy. But Paddy broke that chain. Was his support false as well? If his lie makes a single person question their own ability to stay quit he should be taken out behind the woodshed.
I hope Paddy is quit , I have no idea, he isn't standing side by side with the rest of us in the fire, and even if he was , I suspect when it gets too hot he's gonna jump out.
As for all your ranting about the admin? Please. I can count bans over 5 years on one hand. And removing posts is even more rare . The admin team keeps the lid on this boiling pot, and it is a hell of alot of effort that they put in for NO reward , other than helping people quit.
Hell, those seven yahoos have saved thousands of lives including mine . I tip my hat to each and every one and you should too .
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.
Mogul
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Dave,
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Cavers are cancer. If Paddy can cheat why can't I ? Or you?
Ktc doesn't drive away quitters, it drives away cavers . I didn't cheat this quit, not once in almost 1800 days. I have been accountable every day since day one. I lied to everyone in my life about quitting at one point or another until I joined KTC. A bunch of strangers that hurt with me every damn day gave me strength. If they could do it , so could I . And if I could do it so can you and Paddy. But Paddy broke that chain. Was his support false as well? If his lie makes a single person question their own ability to stay quit he should be taken out behind the woodshed.
I hope Paddy is quit , I have no idea, he isn't standing side by side with the rest of us in the fire, and even if he was , I suspect when it gets too hot he's gonna jump out.
As for all your ranting about the admin? Please. I can count bans over 5 years on one hand. And removing posts is even more rare . The admin team keeps the lid on this boiling pot, and it is a hell of alot of effort that they put in for NO reward , other than helping people quit.
Hell, those seven yahoos have saved thousands of lives including mine . I tip my hat to each and every one and you should too .
I love this and it deserves a thank you! Monster, great post.
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Dave... my recommendation would be stop take a breath. Listen to some of the folks here.
As far as your hatred for Diesel... for you I think it is misplaced I frankly don't get it. In this case, if Dabean had issue with Diesel then they need to work it out and I think it is not your battle to fight. Diesel is opinionated but he is always that way -- what you get is sometimes raw but he is a heck of a quitter. He is not the problem here. In fact, far from it. He is not the person that lied to all of us all for a ridiculous period of time.
I remember the Saturday that you and Dabean had your monster blow up regarding you posting roll. Diesel was one of the folks that took the time to reach out to you and worked hard to get you to stay here at KTC. This effort in large part kept you here now you have rekindled your friendship with Dabean, which is great. You bumped his comments talking about how dabean was coming on strong -- he was actually trying to arbitrate between you 2.
You are placing your rage in the wrong spot here. While you should be focusing your rage towards those that don't uphold the standards of KTC... you are attacking Diesel now everyone here on this site with the exception of the several persons you identified as the true quitters. Again, I don't get that. So many people have supported you throughout your quit really care about you.
I appreciate your focus on the Brotherhood... but also critical to KTC success is the accountability. Without accountability, then there is no success. When we joined KTC, we all put behind our lies promise every morning that we will be quit for the day. Without that promise dedication of the fine quitters on this site... the foundation of KTC would erode. For me, the honor integrity of my promise each day means something.
If you leave, then I wish you the best of luck. I recommend you stay. Regardless, stay quit!
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Dave... my recommendation would be stop take a breath. Listen to some of the folks here.
As far as your hatred for Diesel... for you I think it is misplaced I frankly don't get it. In this case, if Dabean had issue with Diesel then they need to work it out and I think it is not your battle to fight. Diesel is opinionated but he is always that way -- what you get is sometimes raw but he is a heck of a quitter. He is not the problem here. In fact, far from it. He is not the person that lied to all of us all for a ridiculous period of time.
I remember the Saturday that you and Dabean had your monster blow up regarding you posting roll. Diesel was one of the folks that took the time to reach out to you and worked hard to get you to stay here at KTC. This effort in large part kept you here now you have rekindled your friendship with Dabean, which is great. You bumped his comments talking about how dabean was coming on strong -- he was actually trying to arbitrate between you 2.
You are placing your rage in the wrong spot here. While you should be focusing your rage towards those that don't uphold the standards of KTC... you are attacking Diesel now everyone here on this site with the exception of the several persons you identified as the true quitters. Again, I don't get that. So many people have supported you throughout your quit really care about you.
I appreciate your focus on the Brotherhood... but also critical to KTC success is the accountability. Without accountability, then there is no success. When we joined KTC, we all put behind our lies promise every morning that we will be quit for the day. Without that promise dedication of the fine quitters on this site... the foundation of KTC would erode. For me, the honor integrity of my promise each day means something.
If you leave, then I wish you the best of luck. I recommend you stay. Regardless, stay quit!
Times 100 ^^^. As a person that has helped you i strongly urge you to read this again. sM wrote an excellant post also. I also don't get you sometimes. You get angry at others if the coin drops and its not on heads, damn! Breath brother. Take a step back and take a good look around. Who is at fault here. You know the answer to this. Think about it.
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Dave,Â
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Cavers are cancer. If Paddy can cheat why can't I ? Or you?
Ktc doesn't drive away quitters, it drives away cavers . I didn't cheat this quit, not once in almost 1800 days. I have been accountable every day since day one. I lied to everyone in my life about quitting at one point or another until I joined KTC. A bunch of strangers that hurt with me every damn day gave me strength. If they could do it , so could I . And if I could do it so can you and Paddy. But Paddy broke that chain. Was his support false as well? If his lie makes a single person question their own ability to stay quit he should be taken out behind the woodshed.
I hope Paddy is quit , I have no idea, he isn't standing side by side with the rest of us in the fire, and even if he was , I suspect when it gets too hot he's gonna jump out.
As for all your ranting about the admin? Please. I can count bans over 5 years on one hand. And removing posts is even more rare . The admin team keeps the lid on this boiling pot, and it is a hell of alot of effort that they put in for NO reward , other than helping people quit.
Hell, those seven yahoos have saved thousands of lives including mine . I tip my hat to each and every one and you should too .
I love this and it deserves a thank you! Monster, great post.
I ever tell you guys how much I :wub: skoal monster?
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Dave,Â
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Cavers are cancer. If Paddy can cheat why can't I ? Or you?
Ktc doesn't drive away quitters, it drives away cavers . I didn't cheat this quit, not once in almost 1800 days. I have been accountable every day since day one. I lied to everyone in my life about quitting at one point or another until I joined KTC. A bunch of strangers that hurt with me every damn day gave me strength. If they could do it , so could I . And if I could do it so can you and Paddy. But Paddy broke that chain. Was his support false as well? If his lie makes a single person question their own ability to stay quit he should be taken out behind the woodshed.
I hope Paddy is quit , I have no idea, he isn't standing side by side with the rest of us in the fire, and even if he was , I suspect when it gets too hot he's gonna jump out.
As for all your ranting about the admin? Please. I can count bans over 5 years on one hand. And removing posts is even more rare . The admin team keeps the lid on this boiling pot, and it is a hell of alot of effort that they put in for NO reward , other than helping people quit.
Hell, those seven yahoos have saved thousands of lives including mine . I tip my hat to each and every one and you should too .
I love this and it deserves a thank you! Monster, great post.
I ever tell you guys how much I :wub: skoal monster?
I support honest quitting. Quitting without honesty leaves room for doubt.
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You know Dave, it was kind of grinding me that you though so poorly of me. I actually started to feel guilty and bad about myself.
Then I went back and read your entire intro. Every single word.
I actually spent a lot of time supporting you, you even thanked me at one point. Also after I called you out for being selfish you admitted you had been and needed to help more.
Also those quotes you put up in Paddys intro were complete hatchet jobs. You only quoted parts of what I said in an attempt to make me look like an asshole.
You don't like me...I can live with that, Ill add you to the list.
However I did support you and even encouraged you to stay here, when you said you were leaving.
I might have used some tough love on you, but I never bullied you nor tried to run you from the site. And I certainly wasn't supporting you for the attention, I cared about you.
I accept that you hate me, but in the end I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy and I want to see everyone quit. Including you.
I'm done feeling bad.
Quit on.
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You know Dave, it was kind of grinding me that you though so poorly of me. I actually started to feel guilty and bad about myself.
Then I went back and read your entire intro. Every single word.
I actually spent a lot of time supporting you, you even thanked me at one point. Also after I called you out for being selfish you admitted you had been and needed to help more.
Also those quotes you put up in Paddys intro were complete hatchet jobs. You only quoted parts of what I said in an attempt to make me look like an asshole.
You don't like me...I can live with that, Ill add you to the list.
However I did support you and even encouraged you to stay here, when you said you were leaving.
I might have used some tough love on you, but I never bullied you nor tried to run you from the site. And I certainly wasn't supporting you for the attention, I cared about you.
I accept that you hate me, but in the end I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy and I want to see everyone quit. Including you.
I'm done feeling bad.
Quit on.
You're a quitter and a support. Sleep well tonight.
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You know Dave, it was kind of grinding me that you though so poorly of me. I actually started to feel guilty and bad about myself.
Then I went back and read your entire intro. Every single word.
I actually spent a lot of time supporting you, you even thanked me at one point. Also after I called you out for being selfish you admitted you had been and needed to help more.
Also those quotes you put up in Paddys intro were complete hatchet jobs. You only quoted parts of what I said in an attempt to make me look like an asshole.
You don't like me...I can live with that, Ill add you to the list.
However I did support you and even encouraged you to stay here, when you said you were leaving.
I might have used some tough love on you, but I never bullied you nor tried to run you from the site. And I certainly wasn't supporting you for the attention, I cared about you.
I accept that you hate me, but in the end I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy and I want to see everyone quit. Including you.
I'm done feeling bad.
Quit on.
A pity everything you said in Pats intro is lost forever.
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
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Dave... my recommendation would be stop take a breath. Listen to some of the folks here.
As far as your hatred for Diesel... for you I think it is misplaced I frankly don't get it. In this case, if Dabean had issue with Diesel then they need to work it out and I think it is not your battle to fight. Diesel is opinionated but he is always that way -- what you get is sometimes raw but he is a heck of a quitter. He is not the problem here. In fact, far from it. He is not the person that lied to all of us all for a ridiculous period of time.Â
I remember the Saturday that you and Dabean had your monster blow up regarding you posting roll. Diesel was one of the folks that took the time to reach out to you and worked hard to get you to stay here at KTC. This effort in large part kept you here now you have rekindled your friendship with Dabean, which is great. You bumped his comments talking about how dabean was coming on strong -- he was actually trying to arbitrate between you 2.Â
You are placing your rage in the wrong spot here. While you should be focusing your rage towards those that don't uphold the standards of KTC... you are attacking Diesel now everyone here on this site with the exception of the several persons you identified as the true quitters. Again, I don't get that. So many people have supported you throughout your quit really care about you.
I appreciate your focus on the Brotherhood... but also critical to KTC success is the accountability. Without accountability, then there is no success. When we joined KTC, we all put behind our lies promise every morning that we will be quit for the day. Without that promise dedication of the fine quitters on this site... the foundation of KTC would erode. For me, the honor integrity of my promise each day means something.Â
If you leave, then I wish you the best of luck. I recommend you stay. Regardless, stay quit!
Times 100 ^^^. As a person that has helped you i strongly urge you to read this again. sM wrote an excellant post also. I also don't get you sometimes. You get angry at others if the coin drops and its not on heads, damn! Breath brother. Take a step back and take a good look around. Who is at fault here. You know the answer to this. Think about it.
Control what you can control, let the rest go.
I had a great leader as a manager many years ago tell me this. Easy to say, hard to practice. Every day at work it is my guiding principle. I could really get angry or agitated, like many do, about the new insurance costs. Or the new director of x that makes too much money for nothing. Or the new tile in the bathroom. But none of that is up to me, I can't control it. I slways offer up opinion if it is appropriate (and sometimes if it isn't) but in the end, my frustration will be just that... My frustration. It will serve me in no way other than to create negativity and weaken my ability to move forward. Over time I have watched people much, much brighter than me, throw away great careers because they got tied up in trying to change something that they couldn't control.
The situation at hand is now over - the decision done. It was a painful one, and not a decision the admins delighted in making I'm certain. But that team has built a system that has kept me quit now for 333 days. Dave, I couldn't go 4 hours last December without a fix. 4 hours. This site and it's principles have, and I'm not being dramatic here, saved my life. So, whether I agree or disagree with the decision - it is done... And I'm going to quit again today. The only way that I know to do that is the ktc way. So I'm posting roll again today. Please do the same. Your quit is too important to throw away - paddy would not want you to do that.
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
To funny. 'crackup'
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DippinDave’s intro is not “garbage” as he says, but if you start at the beginning you will see the transformation of a scared addict that knew he should quit, but didn’t want to. Needing to quit, and wanting to quit are two completely different animals. He had moments of weakness as we all do, and reached out for help, but when a hand of support was offered he recoiled.
He failed.
On 8/1/13 he came into chat, dropped a link to the “Contract to Give Up” that he signed and posted in this very thread, then left the room. He came back into chat a few moments later under a different name (BassAckwards) to see if he was getting bashed. He saw that he wasn’t. There was a lot of disappointment. Lots of sadness for his failure, but no laughing or rejoicing in his failure. I remember quite clearly that there were a number of us that felt that WE had failed; that we didn’t do enough to save him.
He did come back, half-assed and posting roll when he felt like it saying things like “this is the best you’ll get from me”. He told us all to Fuck Off repeatedly and picked fights everywhere he could.
Then, the winds of DD911 changed again, this time for the better. He said that he saw his faults and errors of his past. He started posting regularly and contributing, helping, those that came after him. Then he hit the HOF.
Even though Dave was a complete tool for nearly 90 days, he never did the unforgiveable. He didnÂ’t post with a fatty in. He disappointed, but he didnÂ’t lie. He didnÂ’t post roll on the day he caved. It was planned. He left, then caved, then returned. Because he didnÂ’t do the unforgiveable I stood by him, and still do. I canÂ’t say the same of others that lied for 100+ days on multiple occasions.
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
We will tell you which conversations you can get in or stay out of...lol...
Just for the record, I don't like Diesel or Dipping Dave but I'm sure glad they quit dipping and it's likely that both have helped me along the way.
How about we close this thread and go help some newbies.?????????????
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
To funny. 'crackup'
'crackup' OIB for President! 'crackup'
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
To funny. 'crackup'
'crackup' OIB for President! 'crackup'
TIFFS 9.875
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
To funny. 'crackup'
'crackup' OIB for President! 'crackup'
TIFFS 9.875
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup' Relevant indeed!
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skoal monster, as a newbie here to KTC, I applaud your post and agree with you.Â
Mogul
mogul, as a newbie here I suggest you stay out of garbage like this. focus on your quit, that is why you are here. last thing you need is to get involved in something you have no idea about. These guys here will chew you up and spit you out before you have a chance to ask what is going on. Do yourself a solid and forget about this conversation, focus on your quit and read things more educational to what you are going through.
dave
Thank you for the suggestion Dave. However, as a 44 year old man and a successful professional I believe I am qualified to determine what conversations to get into and stay out of. Appreciate the concern though.
Mogul - you should listen to him. He's 23 and he has it all figured out. He's knows so much about how this place should work that he posted two separate day 1s. He learned that we "chew people up" as he devoured hundreds of hours of people's time helping him with his own quit. (Go ahead, flip through this intro. Look at what these mean jerks have invested in this guy).
/Sarcasm
Mogul - If you ever need a hand, please don't hesitate one second to PM me.
Dave - I recommend that you take your own advice and focus on your quit. When you're ready, read back through this intro page and look at the time people poured into helping you. Why did they do that?
Just re-read the intro, this is the 3rd or 4th time he is "leaving the site." I think it's time we all just move along. Glad you're quit, hope you stay quit. If not, we'll be here.
Relevant (http://youtu.be/w2X3vVMdh-s)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
Holy shit OIB, I almost pissed myself. That link should be posted in every thread where someone is "taking their ball and going home".
'crackup'
To funny. 'crackup'
'crackup' OIB for President! 'crackup'
TIFFS 9.875
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup' Relevant indeed!
THATS ALL I NEED TOO!!!!
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KTC Quitters,
Hello. My name is Dave and I have been here before. I entered the Hall of Fame on August 2, 2013 and I have the coin to prove it.
Like many, I've attempted quitting numerous times, on my own terms.
Like some, I've turned to support groups such as this forum.
Like all, I've had to fight this demon we all know as the Nic Bitch.
Back in 2013, for reasons I will not to go into, KTC and I had a falling out. Myself and two other members, freshly initiated into the HOF walked away.
However, by means of social media, we held one another accountable. For a time. You see, my friends, they remained strong. As of right now, they have been nicotine free for 6 years.
As for me? Well, here I am. Back in the Introductions section.
As easy as it would have been to come back here 6 years later and start over, doing so would undermine the principles of this community. Namely, accountability.
To the members who may still be around from August 2013,
I wish to formally apologize for everything that happened that caused my departure. I thought that I could fend off the Nic Bitch without being held accountable and I was very wrong. With your help, both here in the forums and those late night texts that kept me clean, you helped me achieve my 100 days.
I found my coin today, stuffed in a drawer, long forgotten. When I held it, all I could think was, "what is this worth to you now?" Nothing. This coin is worthless. Again. I was wrong. That coin is not worthless. Far from it. Holding that coin was a reminder of what I had once achieved. A reminder of what I am still capable of achieving.
All I ask from you, is please, forgive me and hold me accountable.
6 years ago, I was weak. My mind was weak, as was my will. Time has a way of changing things. The way we think. The way we act. The reason I am here today, back in the Introductions section is because I was not ready to quit. Sure, I did, for a time. But the reasons for being here were not my own.
I am here now because I am ready to quit. I am tired of this poison in my veins. I have learned to admit when I am wrong and to ask for help when I need it. I need it now.
My name is Dave, I have been dipping nearly nonstop since 2006. I am ready to quit.
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Welcome back Dave,
Anything before now was just a stoppage. You hopped in got on roll first thing which is one of the most important parts of staying quit, posting that promise first thing. You have the opportunity to help be a leader in this group. As part of the accountability process you can answer the 3 questions to both August 2019 and 2013. They are:
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently this time?
They are there to help you dig deep and share why you are quit. It sounds like you are ready to do this. My digits are in your inbox and I will quit alongside you each day if you want me to. I am quit with you today Dave!
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KTC Quitters,
Hello. My name is Dave and I have been here before. I entered the Hall of Fame on August 2, 2013 and I have the coin to prove it.
Like many, I've attempted quitting numerous times, on my own terms.
Like some, I've turned to support groups such as this forum.
Like all, I've had to fight this demon we all know as the Nic Bitch.
Back in 2013, for reasons I will not to go into, KTC and I had a falling out. Myself and two other members, freshly initiated into the HOF walked away.
However, by means of social media, we held one another accountable. For a time. You see, my friends, they remained strong. As of right now, they have been nicotine free for 6 years.
As for me? Well, here I am. Back in the Introductions section.
As easy as it would have been to come back here 6 years later and start over, doing so would undermine the principles of this community. Namely, accountability.
To the members who may still be around from August 2013,
I wish to formally apologize for everything that happened that caused my departure. I thought that I could fend off the Nic Bitch without being held accountable and I was very wrong. With your help, both here in the forums and those late night texts that kept me clean, you helped me achieve my 100 days.
I found my coin today, stuffed in a drawer, long forgotten. When I held it, all I could think was, "what is this worth to you now?" Nothing. This coin is worthless. Again. I was wrong. That coin is not worthless. Far from it. Holding that coin was a reminder of what I had once achieved. A reminder of what I am still capable of achieving.
All I ask from you, is please, forgive me and hold me accountable.
6 years ago, I was weak. My mind was weak, as was my will. Time has a way of changing things. The way we think. The way we act. The reason I am here today, back in the Introductions section is because I was not ready to quit. Sure, I did, for a time. But the reasons for being here were not my own.
I am here now because I am ready to quit. I am tired of this poison in my veins. I have learned to admit when I am wrong and to ask for help when I need it. I need it now.
My name is Dave, I have been dipping nearly nonstop since 2006. I am ready to quit.
Hi Dave. My name is Michael, and I'm an addict too. I've been free from nicotine since 12/24/2012 - or 2,325 days today. April 2013 is my group, and I post most every day in August 2013. Jungleland, KCGuy, ERussell, Jake Frawley (POS)... I know a lot of the players in August 2013. I hope you start posting in that group again. The remaining members are winners, and you can built off of each other. The drama of the past is over. Don't dwell on that - it is a pointless waste of your time. This place works, and it works because we quit as a team. Join us, rage with us and win with us. I'm glad you are back.