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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: scottmacek on May 19, 2013, 07:11:00 PM
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
I won't put in much, I will leave that to the guys that knew you last time you were here. I wouldn't hesitate to go post roll though. I would do that before making an intro.
1.) What happened???
2.) Why did it happen???
3.) What will you do different this time???
I would go check in with your old group as well and answer those questions for them.
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We are all addicts and many of us relate with being lying scum. I lied to my wife longer than you've been alive. One thing I can say, I posted roll every day for 1 year and most days after reaching 1 year and once my name is in that roll I've never gon back on that word. I can look my wife in the eyes now and not worry about the question she might ask. I don't have to lie.
I think you answered the questions but please explain to your previous group or groups. Remember this is no place for lying.
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.Â
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.Â
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.Â
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
I won't put in much, I will leave that to the guys that knew you last time you were here. I wouldn't hesitate to go post roll though. I would do that before making an intro.
1.) What happened???
2.) Why did it happen???
3.) What will you do different this time???
I would go check in with your old group as well and answer those questions for them.
I tried to answer most of the questions with my post, but here is some more specific info. to answer you.
1) what happened: I was never able to stick with a routine. I did not plan ahead to avoid triggers. I thought I could "handle it" after being quit for awhile.
2) why it happened: looking back, I was not in a good place in life when I tried to quit. I had an asshole of a boss and was overworked and underpaid. (Not much for making excuses, but just trying to reflect on why I couldn't stay quit.) Since I was not in a good position, I didn't feel that I could get into a good schedule. I am in a much better job now and have a more structured life. Another way to say this, is that I wasn't strong enough.
3) The main thing I will do different is stick with my routine not drink alcohol for 50 days.
As for prior groups, I do not remember which groups I was a part of. There has been more than one and I feel bad that people who supported me wasted time on me. I have no problem explaining to them anything if they even care. I will try to figure out which ones, but can't promise I'll hit them all. There was a time I was really trying to quit, but lying to myself and the community. It was a dark time I'm not proud of.
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We are all addicts and many of us relate with being lying scum. I lied to my wife longer than you've been alive. One thing I can say, I posted roll every day for 1 year and most days after reaching 1 year and once my name is in that roll I've never gon back on that word. I can look my wife in the eyes now and not worry about the question she might ask. I don't have to lie.
I think you answered the questions but please explain to your previous group or groups. Remember this is no place for lying.
I don't remember which groups that I was in there are at least three. I will answer anyones questions or let them know I came back if I can find them. Not trying to hide...
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.Â
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.Â
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.Â
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
I won't put in much, I will leave that to the guys that knew you last time you were here. I wouldn't hesitate to go post roll though. I would do that before making an intro.
1.) What happened???
2.) Why did it happen???
3.) What will you do different this time???
I would go check in with your old group as well and answer those questions for them.
I tried to answer most of the questions with my post, but here is some more specific info. to answer you.
1) what happened: I was never able to stick with a routine. I did not plan ahead to avoid triggers. I thought I could "handle it" after being quit for awhile.
2) why it happened: looking back, I was not in a good place in life when I tried to quit. I had an asshole of a boss and was overworked and underpaid. (Not much for making excuses, but just trying to reflect on why I couldn't stay quit.) Since I was not in a good position, I didn't feel that I could get into a good schedule. I am in a much better job now and have a more structured life. Another way to say this, is that I wasn't strong enough.
3) The main thing I will do different is stick with my routine not drink alcohol for 50 days.
As for prior groups, I do not remember which groups I was a part of. There has been more than one and I feel bad that people who supported me wasted time on me. I have no problem explaining to them anything if they even care. I will try to figure out which ones, but can't promise I'll hit them all. There was a time I was really trying to quit, but lying to myself and the community. It was a dark time I'm not proud of.
What happens when things get tough or a little shitty again? I mean life doesn't always play along with the quit. I've seen you around here in the past, I was trying to figure out which groups you were a part of but I couldn't remember. Your return post seems sincere. Day 1 today? let the suck begin.....
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.Â
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.Â
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.Â
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
I won't put in much, I will leave that to the guys that knew you last time you were here. I wouldn't hesitate to go post roll though. I would do that before making an intro.
1.) What happened???
2.) Why did it happen???
3.) What will you do different this time???
I would go check in with your old group as well and answer those questions for them.
I tried to answer most of the questions with my post, but here is some more specific info. to answer you.
1) what happened: I was never able to stick with a routine. I did not plan ahead to avoid triggers. I thought I could "handle it" after being quit for awhile.
2) why it happened: looking back, I was not in a good place in life when I tried to quit. I had an asshole of a boss and was overworked and underpaid. (Not much for making excuses, but just trying to reflect on why I couldn't stay quit.) Since I was not in a good position, I didn't feel that I could get into a good schedule. I am in a much better job now and have a more structured life. Another way to say this, is that I wasn't strong enough.
3) The main thing I will do different is stick with my routine not drink alcohol for 50 days.
As for prior groups, I do not remember which groups I was a part of. There has been more than one and I feel bad that people who supported me wasted time on me. I have no problem explaining to them anything if they even care. I will try to figure out which ones, but can't promise I'll hit them all. There was a time I was really trying to quit, but lying to myself and the community. It was a dark time I'm not proud of.
What happens when things get tough or a little shitty again? I mean life doesn't always play along with the quit. I've seen you around here in the past, I was trying to figure out which groups you were a part of but I couldn't remember. Your return post seems sincere. Day 1 today? let the suck begin.....
you won't have to worry about routines if you're dead... Your only thought's should be to quit for TODAY, TODAY ONLY... Then repeat...you're thinking way to far ahead... Make it fucking stick this time.. your life depends on it...
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Dear Community,
Today I have decided to quit chewing tobacco -- day 1. Before I can simply post roll, I need to give you a little information about me and my addiction/problem/dark secret. This is not the first time I have tried to quit by joining this community. I have been unable to quit here on numerous occasions. The problem is not anything about this community, it is myself. I am a liar, an asshole, a jerk, a person who is unable to look themselves in the mirror and tell the complete truth. I have been unable to be true to myself and honestly come to grips with the fact that I am 100% to-the-bone an addict. Always have been and always will be. I have been unable to sustain a quit for more than 5 months. While I can quit on my own for awhile, I cannot stay quit. Today I am here to change this once and for all.Â
There are two big reasons that I want to quit forever. First, I feel that I am 150 times a better person when I am not chewing. I am happier, have more confidence, more energy, like talking to people, and generally enjoy life alot more. There is nothing shittier than feeling like a slave to my addiction. While other people go on with there day-to-day life, problems, and everything else, my mind is on the next chew. When can I get it? When will I have it? And there is no rhyme or reason to why I need a chew, but I need to do it anyways. My chew of choice has been copenhagen pouches because the shit doesn't get in my teeth. Maybe I tell myself that it is a cleaner form of chew, but I know deep down -- shit in your mouth is shit in your mouth!
I also want to quit because I HATE that I am a downright LIAR to my wife. She knows about my problem, but I have lied to her about not chewing more times than I can remember or count. It really sucks that I cannot be truthful about my addiction to the most important person in my life. I guess the reason is that I am lying to myself and cannot confront my addiction. While this quit is for me and cannot be for her, I want to be able to be honest with her. I am an addict. Every day is a challenge that I must be willing to meet. And that I have done nothing to deserve her trust and love because I cannot look her (or anyone else) in the face and be truthful.
I want to change this. I want to be an addict that does not chew rather than an addict that does. It's really that simple.Â
Actually, I know its not that simple. If it was, I wouldn't need the support of this group and could just do it on my one. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE for me. I know this because I've tried to promise myself with no accountability to this community or anyone else. What happens is I cave...and cave...and cave again.
Joining this group and simply posting every day will not work for me. I know that for me to stay quit, I must also quit drinking alcohol for the time being. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm going to quit drinking alcohol forever because that would be a lie -- and I need to change that. So, for the next 50 days, my promise every morning will be two-fold: (1) I promise to quit chew, and (2) promise not to drink alcohol. After that, my promise will be a daily promise not to chew. (I am getting ahead of myself because all I can do is make a daily promise, I cannot make a promise for the next day because I need to do that when I wake up that morning.)
This is my addiction in a nutshell. I do not expect anyone to put stock into my quit and do not expect any support because I have cheated this community too many times to deserve any support. I do not intend to infect this community, I just want to be a quitter of chew, nothing more, nothing less. As for my addiction, I am now 31 and have been chewing since I was 21. I now want to be an addict that can look my wife in the face and honestly tell her "No" when she inevitable asks if I've been chewing. More importantly, I want to look myself in the face and feel proud that I am not chewing even though I am an addict. I need to be with people who share my problem. You understand who I am...maybe even better than I understand myself.Â
So today is day one. Tomorrow is not promised. But this group deserves to know about my addiction if I can honestly post roll that I quit, I won't chew today, I will be strong, and MEAN that I will not chew.
I won't put in much, I will leave that to the guys that knew you last time you were here. I wouldn't hesitate to go post roll though. I would do that before making an intro.
1.) What happened???
2.) Why did it happen???
3.) What will you do different this time???
I would go check in with your old group as well and answer those questions for them.
I tried to answer most of the questions with my post, but here is some more specific info. to answer you.
1) what happened: I was never able to stick with a routine. I did not plan ahead to avoid triggers. I thought I could "handle it" after being quit for awhile.
2) why it happened: looking back, I was not in a good place in life when I tried to quit. I had an asshole of a boss and was overworked and underpaid. (Not much for making excuses, but just trying to reflect on why I couldn't stay quit.) Since I was not in a good position, I didn't feel that I could get into a good schedule. I am in a much better job now and have a more structured life. Another way to say this, is that I wasn't strong enough.
3) The main thing I will do different is stick with my routine not drink alcohol for 50 days.
As for prior groups, I do not remember which groups I was a part of. There has been more than one and I feel bad that people who supported me wasted time on me. I have no problem explaining to them anything if they even care. I will try to figure out which ones, but can't promise I'll hit them all. There was a time I was really trying to quit, but lying to myself and the community. It was a dark time I'm not proud of.
What happens when things get tough or a little shitty again? I mean life doesn't always play along with the quit. I've seen you around here in the past, I was trying to figure out which groups you were a part of but I couldn't remember. Your return post seems sincere. Day 1 today? let the suck begin.....
Good point! I don't think I'm naive enough to believe that every day will be a bundle of roses from here on out. Just trying to say that life was pretty shitty overall in my last job when I was beginning my quit(s). I did have a decent plan, but didn't execute because I was pretty disorganized -- didn't have snacks when I got hungry, didn't keep gum on me, didn't have enough balls not to cave, etc. My hope is that my quit will be strong enough to deal with tough times when they come and I can stay organized enough to minimize my cravings. I know they will come anyways, but there's no problem with trying to minimize how many there are.
Yes, today is day 1!
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Bro, Like you, I have quit and then failed. Today is a new day. I am on day one again today. It sucks because we have to own our weakness. We are addicts. I quit with you today. Hold your head up and ride out the suck. we are in the right place.
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some context. a lot to go through, but scotty-boy here broke some cardinal sins:
Brothers,Â
I must come clean with something. I have been posting as bayparkballer for the past 23 days in this group. Previously, I posted as scottmacek in August 2011. I made it to 105 days, then CAVED!:(Â
The problem was, even though I made it to 105 days, I never completely bought in to the system. I simply posted roll but did not reach out to other brothers or offer much support myself. The reason I caved was because I thought I built up enough will power that would allow me to dip with a couple friends, but not fall back into old habits of addiction. That is the true mind of an addict.Â
I decided that posting under a new name would allow for me to have a clean start. Since I did not buy into the system, I did no know that posting under a new name was prohibited. What I learned from my cave is that individually I can quit every day. But to stay quit, you need the support of others. I am asking for your support and hope you accept my apology.Â
Please send me a PM and I will give you my number.
scottmacek/bayparkballer
Scott,
If you caved on day 105, (August 16th) and you are at 23 days now, then you continued to post roll as being quit (at least five times in August) when in fact you were not..
Take a look at early July 11.. and the post surrounding "Dad of Five" also known as "Dad of Lies".
We have our word. That is all we have..
You didn't just lie to your group, but to the entire site...
How do we know going forward that you are really quit.?
Ohh Pal, that is a tough explaination to accept. It is almost Bill Clintonesq in the I did not know it was wrong to come back as another name as I did not know that was considered sex?
I have not researched this but....what did you post under, in your introduction? Why not show your support for your team that you are a former memeber that fell?? Why not use that experience to help the new crew to succeed and where the pitfalls are?
Why not talk about how you did not buy into the group in the begining, maybe that could have helped some that are MIA now.
Why post for 100 days in something you do not believe in?
Why take the time out of your day and seriously post or banter back and forth if you are not committed. Why would anyone rational in thinking do this.
It reminds me of the movie Fight Club where the ED Norton guy goes to groups that he does not need just to feel like a group. It was fucked up in the movie and it is fucked up here.
Why am I getting more angrier as I question your respone and I write this out?
Seriously??
The more I think about this the more pissed off I get..
Why do I bother to post roll EVERY DAY? Why did I freak out the other night in the middle of a nicotine dream? Thank God it was just a dream.
Because of the accountability here, and knowing I would have to 'splain a lot, and because believe it or not, there are people here who really do care that I am quit and stay quit.
In July 11 we had a guy early on named "Dad of Five" who continued to post roll when he was not quit. He earned the nicname "Dad of Lies" and was told to take it to Quit Lite..
This really pisses me off..
Mods? Admins?
This is how it starts. This is how if you don't come clean you get trapped in a web of lies, man.
You joined under your name 11-11-11 under your new name. (what to troll around) to have brothers and sisters reach out to you to help you in your reason to quite or just to check in your old group?)
You posted roll in the MARCH group Dec 2nd??
what gives?
Not sure which is worse, the cave or the name change. Cavers will always be on this site, goes with the addiction battle. I am a retread as well. I caved from my original group july 05. When I joined Nov 11 I kept the same name, hell the same login information and password. I had brothers from 05 recognize me, call me out, get in my ass, and accept me back into the site. This site is founded on giving our word. It will be difficult to trust your word when we dont even know who we are talking to.
Why did you come clean with the name change? In my opinion I think you should kill the baller name and rejoin your group under the original name.
The worst is posting days that he did not earn. The name change is listed as not allowed (and "bannable"), caving is not cool at all and should require the requisite 3 questions, but flat out lying is 1000000% against EVERYTHING this site stands for and means to us.
There are 3 requirements to being a KTC quit machine:
1) Post roll.
2) Honor your word
3) Repeat.
You failed tremendously. Your word is not worth shit. Your apology is full of garbage. Why dont you just go over to your July brothers houses, shit on their porch, screw their wives, then take them out for drinks?
You broke your word and posted that you were quit when you were not (what, didn't know that was against the rules?), you broke one of the few rules on this site by creating a second username, and you are apparently a serial caver.
Why in the world should anyone give you even an ounce of their time or support to you? You are a lying coward.
I better stop before my blood really starts boiling.
:angry:
Man, that was really low. It could have been such a positve thing if you would have come clean in the beginning. You could have really helped people here. It just is not right what you did.
This is garbage. You obviously are not many enough to tell your first quit group about your vaginitis. Why should we even except you back. You lied. Do you have any idea how many addicts you could have helped, including me? You are a selfish sack of crap. Take your quit elsewhere. Lie to some else.
I m not that active in groups but Scott really. You caved that sucks but what pisses me off is you tried to come back as a different name. You are a sneak,loser and a piece of shit. We are all men here and you had to try and come back and hid it. Coould you not man up and say I fucked up and im back. That would of been better than what you did. Your a douchenozzle. I hope you feel like shit because you should. That is all
Bro...If a sunny optimist like FloridaLuke is laying it down like that, you have a shit-load of credibility problems. Good luck laying them straight.
Great observation, Az. Sorta reminds me of:
"If I've lost Cronkite..."
bayparkballer has been placed on the banned list, I assume by LooT.
Caving just sucks.
Not coming clean is a mockery
Creating a new user name is prohibited
Posting roll while using is unforgivable. There is nothing worse you can do to desecrate everything we stand for.
Brothers,
This message is being posted in August 2011, February 2012, March 2012, and May 2012.
Today is my first day of quit. I have caved many times in the past, including since I joined the site. Originally, I was in the August 2011 HOF class. I had a 100+ day quit and caved. The reason I caved was because I never bought in to the system. I consistently posted on a day-to-day basis, but never connected with my brothers. Little to no texting, no leaving messages, and no comments on posts. The thing is, I became cocky – bragged to people still dipping that I was quit like I was better than them. I’m just an addict who can’t control my problem on my own. After becoming cocky, not having a strong support network from not buying into the system, I caved.
I then joined the February 2012 class, posting under the name bayparkballer. Whether I was too much of a pussy to own up to August 2011 or just wanted a fresh start I did not know that I had to keep the same name after caving. Either way, I owed August 2011 an explanation that I did not give. I am sorry, you brothers deserve better. In February 2012, many brothers reached out to me and supported me during my quit as bayparkballer. Special thanks to mcarmo44 and wastepanel. I did not buy into the network until after I caved in 2012. Mcarmo44 talked to me, I began to quit again after caving, but was still weak. I am an addict!
After caving, I began to post in March 2012. That did not last long! Even though I was posting roll, I began using again. Once brothers discovered that I had posted under a different name, they turned on me and it pissed me off. Or was it just another excuse for me to cave and continue to cave? Anyways, I did not intentionally mean to deceive by posting under a different name. I tried to offer an explanation that was accepted by some, but rejected by most. It gave me an excuse to begin using.
Now hear I am. Every time I chew, I feel guilt, weakness, and like IÂ’m giving up on life. I have made a vow to myself to help people stay quit, and stay quit myself once and for all! Today is my first day. I did not chew. My lower jaw is grinding, IÂ’m a little pissed off, but I am sick of spitting brown shit out of my mouth. I canÂ’t think of a dumber thing to do, and IÂ’ve been doing it for nine years.
I want you all to know that I apologize for not respecting the site. I know how hard it is to quit (IÂ’ve gotten to 100 days), and you all deserve to be supported by and surrounded by others who strengthen your quit rather than passively use this site. I am going to make a concerted effort to help my May 2012 brothers, and hope you will give me a chance to quit and turn this into a good story.
scottmacek – day 1 – Let’s do this!!!
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this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
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this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
All this is a little harsh and over the top. I can take it if it makes you feel better to dish it out. I stand by everything I said in my original post today. I also said that I was in a bad place when I previously tried to quit. Again, not trying to make excuses, just trying to offer an explanation.
As for the name change thing, it is true and there was no bad intentions behind it. I just wanted a clean start. I did not participate much when I first join...as previously stated. Since I did not participate much, I did not know it was prohibited. The reaction of indifference is anticipated. If it makes you feel better to keep piling on, then do it. All I want to do is quit one day at a time. That is what I wanted in the past, but didn't accomplish. I obviously have lied and am admitting it.
If you want to keep talking shit, go ahead. I want to quit for the reasons stated earlier today.
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this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
All this is a little harsh and over the top. I can take it if it makes you feel better to dish it out. I stand by everything I said in my original post today. I also said that I was in a bad place when I previously tried to quit. Again, not trying to make excuses, just trying to offer an explanation.
As for the name change thing, it is true and there was no bad intentions behind it. I just wanted a clean start. I did not participate much when I first join...as previously stated. Since I did not participate much, I did not know it was prohibited. The reaction of indifference is anticipated. If it makes you feel better to keep piling on, then do it. All I want to do is quit one day at a time. That is what I wanted in the past, but didn't accomplish. I obviously have lied and am admitting it.
If you want to keep talking shit, go ahead. I want to quit for the reasons stated earlier today.
The fact that you think it is over the top makes me think you're not ready, sparky. This place is here for quitters to hold themselves and the other quitters accountable. Your actions were the exact opposite of what KTC is all about. You changed your name for a clean start... i.e. you didn't want to be accountable and take your lumps. You also posted roll for two weeks (true to form, that meant 5 roll calls) while you were using tobacco. That kind of deceit cuts to the heart of a place that is built on trust.
Just to be clear, those reactions below we're from when the dishonesty was discovered... Not today.
Oh, the guys that were over the top? They are all quit. Per even caved, owned up to it, and is almost hitting his year anni. That's how it is done, fucker.
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this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
All this is a little harsh and over the top. I can take it if it makes you feel better to dish it out. I stand by everything I said in my original post today. I also said that I was in a bad place when I previously tried to quit. Again, not trying to make excuses, just trying to offer an explanation.
As for the name change thing, it is true and there was no bad intentions behind it. I just wanted a clean start. I did not participate much when I first join...as previously stated. Since I did not participate much, I did not know it was prohibited. The reaction of indifference is anticipated. If it makes you feel better to keep piling on, then do it. All I want to do is quit one day at a time. That is what I wanted in the past, but didn't accomplish. I obviously have lied and am admitting it.
If you want to keep talking shit, go ahead. I want to quit for the reasons stated earlier today.
The fact that you think it is over the top makes me think you're not ready, sparky. This place is here for quitters to hold themselves and the other quitters accountable. Your actions were the exact opposite of what KTC is all about. You changed your name for a clean start... i.e. you didn't want to be accountable and take your lumps. You also posted roll for two weeks (true to form, that meant 5 roll calls) while you were using tobacco. That kind of deceit cuts to the heart of a place that is built on trust.
Just to be clear, those reactions below we're from when the dishonesty was discovered... Not today.
Oh, the guys that were over the top? They are all quit. Per even caved, owned up to it, and is almost hitting his year anni. That's how it is done, fucker.
Ah yes....now I know where I remembered your name from. Let's be honest, there's no way in hell that you managed to forget all of that shit.....which means your return post was anything but sincere.
No one forgets changing their name and posting after caving. Sorry, that's just not possible.
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When did I ever say that I forgot anything about a name change? I did not. Look, I'm coming clean and quitting in good faith. You don't have to accept that. I'm doing this for myself and no one else. There's no reason for me to lie about anything since I'm here to quit and stay quit.
I just think its "over the top" that stuff from around a year ago is being rehashed and mischaracterized. I admitted from the beginning that I've lied to this community. I've went to every month that I've posted in in the past and let them know what I'm doing. I'm not trying to hide from anything. Plain and simple. To be honest, I don't know if I'm ready. I don't really know what being ready to quit means. I'm just trying to be accountable and promise myself I won't chew one day at a time.
this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
All this is a little harsh and over the top. I can take it if it makes you feel better to dish it out. I stand by everything I said in my original post today. I also said that I was in a bad place when I previously tried to quit. Again, not trying to make excuses, just trying to offer an explanation.
As for the name change thing, it is true and there was no bad intentions behind it. I just wanted a clean start. I did not participate much when I first join...as previously stated. Since I did not participate much, I did not know it was prohibited. The reaction of indifference is anticipated. If it makes you feel better to keep piling on, then do it. All I want to do is quit one day at a time. That is what I wanted in the past, but didn't accomplish. I obviously have lied and am admitting it.
If you want to keep talking shit, go ahead. I want to quit for the reasons stated earlier today.
The fact that you think it is over the top makes me think you're not ready, sparky. This place is here for quitters to hold themselves and the other quitters accountable. Your actions were the exact opposite of what KTC is all about. You changed your name for a clean start... i.e. you didn't want to be accountable and take your lumps. You also posted roll for two weeks (true to form, that meant 5 roll calls) while you were using tobacco. That kind of deceit cuts to the heart of a place that is built on trust.
Just to be clear, those reactions below we're from when the dishonesty was discovered... Not today.
Oh, the guys that were over the top? They are all quit. Per even caved, owned up to it, and is almost hitting his year anni. That's how it is done, fucker.
Ah yes....now I know where I remembered your name from. Let's be honest, there's no way in hell that you managed to forget all of that shit.....which means your return post was anything but sincere.
No one forgets changing their name and posting after caving. Sorry, that's just not possible.
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When did I ever say that I forgot anything about a name change? I did not. Look, I'm coming clean and quitting in good faith. You don't have to accept that. I'm doing this for myself and no one else. There's no reason for me to lie about anything since I'm here to quit and stay quit.
I just think its "over the top" that stuff from around a year ago is being rehashed and mischaracterized. I admitted from the beginning that I've lied to this community. I've went to every month that I've posted in in the past and let them know what I'm doing. I'm not trying to hide from anything. Plain and simple. To be honest, I don't know if I'm ready. I don't really know what being ready to quit means. I'm just trying to be accountable and promise myself I won't chew one day at a time. Â
this lil' diddy is from his original quit group when we found out:
Folks, sorry to be the one to break this, I was hoping scottmacek would have been here by now to explain himself.
scottmacek caved after making 105 days. He came back to the site, but used the new alias of bayparkballer, who most recently was posting in March 2012, after caving out of February. He has been instructed to offer his explanation and to go back to using scottmacek as his login.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Pussy
Ok Scotty boy ... we're waiting. This should be a good story. so much to tell... why the cave, what will be different, why did you try to "sneak" back? You owe us an explanation. there may not be a lot of quitheads still hanging around but those of us here are interested.... man up.
Scott caved after day 105, but still posted a 107, 110, 112, 116 and 119. So not only did you cave, but then you had the balls to come BACK here and post roll with triple digits up there. FIVE TIMES after your cave. Huge fuck you to all of us, right? What the fuck is that?
If he was posting roll when he was not quit then he should be kicked off the site and sent to Lite..
Folks, we have our word.. If we sully that, then what is left?
See "Dad of Five" aka "Dad of Lies" in early July 11.. There is a precedent here.
My 2c...
I agree romadog. He does not deserve this site and should leave for lite.
What
The
Fuck.
Scott, you fucking lying douchbag. Caving is bad, really bad. You fucking knew better, but with 89 posts to your name, I'm not that surprised. You couldn't even be bothered to post roll on your HOF day.
Ducking your cave for over 3 weeks is a bitch move. Again not that surprising, but I prefer to see the best in people. Your accountability was weak to begin with, you posted when you felt like it. It's a bigger slap in the face than the cave itself.
But fucking posting roll as a Quithead HOF'er five separate times over a span of two weeks? You have RUINED your name here. "Scott Macek" will FOREVER be known here as a synonym for a lying, cheating, deceiving cocksucker. I hope Scott Macek is your real fucking name. I hope this shows up on google when someone looks you up. You have nothing to offer me, this group, or this site. If my vote counts in this, send him to lite. Ban both accounts, and black ball his IP addy or whatever ninja computing stuff you all can do.
SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK SCOTT MACEK
I wonder if that helps google or not? 'Finger'
I am not usually part of the lynch mob, but I 10000% agree that the person behind "scottmacek" and "bayparkballer" is a coward, a liar, and all around piece of shit. I think it is critical to ban this piece of trash to protect the integrity of the site.
That's just my opinion though.
Carry on quitheads, and I feel yyour pain at the desecration of your roll call.
I'm looking at this from a different angle. You either want to quit and buy into the whole process or you are full of shit and will be a habitual caver, alias changer and lie to yourself and the rest of us.
My time is better spent supporting those quitheads that drank the kool-aid and will never use again. Those are the people that inspire me. I will not lose sleep over someone who will not help himself. So I say...enjoy your dip, slave.
To the rest of you "true Quitheads"...I quit with you today! (tomorrow looks good too!)
good point, dante.
now that i've had time to process this betrayal, i'm strangely neutral. scottmacek should still be gone forever, but i really don't give a shit. he was such a non-factor here that no one is going to notice his presence or absence. he's still a liar, a con, and someone i'd never want to hang out with, but i've got nothing invested in his life, his quit, or his death.
now, if any of the regular post-HOF quitheads did this... whoa. i'm invested in you guys, even if we don't pm/chat/text, etc. i look over the names and seeing sayrah there, for example, makes my quit stronger.
at the end of it all, scott wasn't here enough for me to give a shit about him. i didn't even notice he was gone. that speaks volumes about his quit and how he used this site. his lying and deceit (not caving) earn him banishment, though.
i still kinda hope scott macek's his real name and that the google spiders pick this up.
All this is a little harsh and over the top. I can take it if it makes you feel better to dish it out. I stand by everything I said in my original post today. I also said that I was in a bad place when I previously tried to quit. Again, not trying to make excuses, just trying to offer an explanation.
As for the name change thing, it is true and there was no bad intentions behind it. I just wanted a clean start. I did not participate much when I first join...as previously stated. Since I did not participate much, I did not know it was prohibited. The reaction of indifference is anticipated. If it makes you feel better to keep piling on, then do it. All I want to do is quit one day at a time. That is what I wanted in the past, but didn't accomplish. I obviously have lied and am admitting it.
If you want to keep talking shit, go ahead. I want to quit for the reasons stated earlier today.
The fact that you think it is over the top makes me think you're not ready, sparky. This place is here for quitters to hold themselves and the other quitters accountable. Your actions were the exact opposite of what KTC is all about. You changed your name for a clean start... i.e. you didn't want to be accountable and take your lumps. You also posted roll for two weeks (true to form, that meant 5 roll calls) while you were using tobacco. That kind of deceit cuts to the heart of a place that is built on trust.
Just to be clear, those reactions below we're from when the dishonesty was discovered... Not today.
Oh, the guys that were over the top? They are all quit. Per even caved, owned up to it, and is almost hitting his year anni. That's how it is done, fucker.
Ah yes....now I know where I remembered your name from. Let's be honest, there's no way in hell that you managed to forget all of that shit.....which means your return post was anything but sincere.
No one forgets changing their name and posting after caving. Sorry, that's just not possible.
Scott Macek.. Here you go.. --
http://www.quitsmokeless.org/ (http://www.quitsmokeless.org/)
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As a relative NOOB I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTC members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
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As a relative NOOB I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTC members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
The vitriol being released on this dude is not because he is a weak, caving, serial quitter. We are all somewhat weak (and I contend stupid as well) for ever getting hooked on this stupid shit. Weakness can be forgiven. This guy is catching hell because he is a liar, plain and simple.
You mention that we are "all liars" and that is fine, but on this site, you DO NOT get to lie and get away with it.
Scott or whatever your name is, I wish you well. Good luck with your quit, but damn dude...you have to know that all we have is our word when we post roll. We have to be able to believe each other, or it is absolutely meaningless. Lie to your wife if you want, but don't lie on here.
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As a relative NOOB I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTC members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..
i've embraced folks that have caved. those people failed, found the strength to quit again, owned up to their mistakes, taken their lumps, and quit each morning.
scotty here did the following: caved, continued to post roll for 2 weeks as though he were still quit, disappeared, returned under a new name as if he were new to the site, got found out, caved, etc.
we accept those that make mistakes, as long as they honestly make changes in their lives to avoid those mistakes again. scott made a mistake, lied about making a mistake (posting roll while using), lied again in coming back as bayside, and is now playing the victim when people call him out for being dishonest. kinda like bring a six pack into the AA meeting, pissing all over the mic, and then whining that no one is supporting his new found resolve to quit.
sure, he said he lied. no specifics about how he lied or what he lied about, so i threw in some threads from that time period. over the top? to some, i guess, but only to those that are still not willing to accept responsibility for their actions. and if someone's not ready to do that, then they're really not ready to quit.
if he had come back and did a 100% full disclosure intro, i wouldn't have had to dredge up history. if he had really been honest, i would have let him be (though still thinking he's a lying bastard). the fact is that he wasn't giving the group the full truth.
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As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
i've embraced folks that have caved. those people failed, found the strength to quit again, owned up to their mistakes, taken their lumps, and quit each morning.
scotty here did the following: caved, continued to post roll for 2 weeks as though he were still quit, disappeared, returned under a new name as if he were new to the site, got found out, caved, etc.
we accept those that make mistakes, as long as they honestly make changes in their lives to avoid those mistakes again. scott made a mistake, lied about making a mistake (posting roll while using), lied again in coming back as bayside, and is now playing the victim when people call him out for being dishonest. kinda like bring a six pack into the AA meeting, pissing all over the mic, and then whining that no one is supporting his new found resolve to quit.
sure, he said he lied. no specifics about how he lied or what he lied about, so i threw in some threads from that time period. over the top? to some, i guess, but only to those that are still not willing to accept responsibility for their actions. and if someone's not ready to do that, then they're really not ready to quit.
if he had come back and did a 100% full disclosure intro, i wouldn't have had to dredge up history. if he had really been honest, i would have let him be (though still thinking he's a lying bastard). the fact is that he wasn't giving the group the full truth.
I have to agree with Nebraskadad. While it is usual and customary to ball bash someone for lying, caving, etc, when did we get so frigging judgmental that you would completely discard someone for past screw ups? Nothing is worse than a lier or a thief. He stole our time by posting when he knew he was lying about it. So be it. It is done. It is over. Does he need to do some time in a fucking prison to appease some of you hardasses? He has atoned and admitted his past discresions. He who is without sin should cast the first stone...and it looks like a few of you well meaning vets are totally without sin. Screw that. Welcome back Scott. I hope you are sincere and you make it. I for one would vote to bar you for life from KTC if you fuck this one up. The ball is now in your court.
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To be honest, I don't know if I am ready
There is the problem. You have to be ready, 100% commited, to quit for you and you alone. This is a daily battle. I think about dip several times a day but I post roll and my word is strong..stronger than anything in my life. I'm ready to fight each day and I declare it by posting roll (100% too - just sayin').
A while back someone from my group posted something to the effect of "can't post roll today. I don't know if I can keep my word". That took some gigantic balls of steel. And, I'm proud to say, that quitters from our group jumped in talked that guy off the ledge and he is still a 100% poster to this day. That is what this is about. If you are ready you get full support. If you are weak you have to speak up to let us know that you need extra support.
If you know you are not ready, so be it. Come back when you are. No hurt feelings.
No hurt feeligns excpet for the lying part - that's bullshit anyway you slice it. Again, if I post I have given my word and I will NEVER lie to these guys. I have lied to everyone else on the planet, not happy to say that but it's the truth, but I have never lied on these forums.
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I don't mind catching hell if I was not coming clean. But I'm catching shit for mistakes that were made over a year ago. I don't understand the logic in that, do you? I came CLEAN yesterday because I've got nothing to hide. So it just seems that some people want to give me shit, just to give me shit. And try to cherry pick things that were said a year ago as a reason to harp on me. Go ahead if that makes you feel better.
As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.Â
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.Â
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
The vitriol being released on this dude is not because he is a weak, caving, serial quitter. We are all somewhat weak (and I contend stupid as well) for ever getting hooked on this stupid shit. Weakness can be forgiven. This guy is catching hell because he is a liar, plain and simple.
You mention that we are "all liars" and that is fine, but on this site, you DO NOT get to lie and get away with it.
Scott or whatever your name is, I wish you well. Good luck with your quit, but damn dude...you have to know that all we have is our word when we post roll. We have to be able to believe each other, or it is absolutely meaningless. Lie to your wife if you want, but don't lie on here.
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As a relative NOOB I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTC members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
Do you guys discuss "willpower" in your AA meetings? That's a serious question. You are the second or third person on here that also went through AA, that essentially said the same thing (i.e., quitting nicotine isn't willpower, you need accountability). I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I'm just curious as to whether it's discussed in AA meetings.
As for the rest of this thread.....the good news for scott is that KTC has added several new members since his last foray in Dec 2011. Those new members can accept him and move on with the quit because they didn't have any skin in the game. As for Dchogs and his other former quit group members, it's personal and they have every right to post their thoughts. Whenever a former caver from April 2012 returns they'd better expect to catch hell from me and others in April 12. It's called accountability. You don't get to wipe the slate clean and start over. In fact, a caver should never expect to start over. Past transgressions should never be forgotten and when probably remembered, past transgressions should fuel the fire that is your current quit.
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Scott, you have some serious credibility issues to overcome. Push back all you want for getting jumped on, but you betrayed the basic tenet of this site. The premise that makes this work is we all believe each other when we give our word and post roll for the day. Take that trust away and this is worthless. What if everyone did what you did?
As you say, over a year ago, etc. That is fine, I hope you quit this time for real. I also hope you understand why many people will find it difficult to trust or believe what you say.
If you post roll, you are trusted to be quit for the day. If people have to wonder if you "really mean it" today, then this site is broken.
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Haven't posted in a while other than daily roll.
This sparked my attention.
Talk is cheap, and action speaks louder than words.
Quit is not something you do once and then forget about. Quit is something you do with every breath you take. So show us you mean it.
It must really suck to realize that two full years have gone by that you could have been quit. Fix that.
Dante-742 quit
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As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.Â
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.Â
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
Do you guys discuss "willpower" in your AA meetings? That's a serious question. You are the second or third person on here that also went through AA, that essentially said the same thing (i.e., quitting nicotine isn't willpower, you need accountability). I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I'm just curious as to whether it's discussed in AA meetings.
As for the rest of this thread.....the good news for scott is that KTC has added several new members since his last foray in Dec 2011. Those new members can accept him and move on with the quit because they didn't have any skin in the game. As for Dchogs and his other former quit group members, it's personal and they have every right to post their thoughts. Whenever a former caver from April 2012 returns they'd better expect to catch hell from me and others in April 12. It's called accountability. You don't get to wipe the slate clean and start over. In fact, a caver should never expect to start over. Past transgressions should never be forgotten and when probably remembered, past transgressions should fuel the fire that is your current quit.
Steve,
In AA we make known there is a clear difference between "willingness" and "willpower".
there is a "blurb in our "recovery book"
"No human Power could have relieved our "addiction" this includes willpower.
My individual "frail" human willpower, can not of it's own accord deal with the addiction without something bigger than myself. Which is why i sought out KTC.
KTC is a group of addicts, you guys as a group have "more power" than the individual.
My logical process brings The addiction to the CAN into my other recovery. I also believe that groups aren't my higher power. I have to believe that in the event I can't get a hold of some in the group, I have to be able to believe something "bigger" than all this can keep me from, (drinking, drugging, or DIPPING..)
try to will diarrhea from occuring see how far you get from the toilet.
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Scott, you have some serious credibility issues to overcome. Push back all you want for getting jumped on, but you betrayed the basic tenet of this site. The premise that makes this work is we all believe each other when we give our word and post roll for the day. Take that trust away and this is worthless. What if everyone did what you did?
As you say, over a year ago, etc. That is fine, I hope you quit this time for real. I also hope you understand why many people will find it difficult to trust or believe what you say.
If you post roll, you are trusted to be quit for the day. If people have to wonder if you "really mean it" today, then this site is broken.
Agreed. I just now found this thread, and it hurts. The fabric of this place has been weakened a bit today. I'm not gonna jump in with a big hammer, but instead will try to offer some insight into the broad spectrum of reactions to this situation.
I think Scott (and some of you others who have accused folks of "ballbusting") have completely missed what this place means to some of us here.
KTC is not something I take lightly. It is part of who I am. The folks here who mentored me saved my life and made me a better person. I know that with 100% certainty. I am indebted to them. They are my friends. I've talked with them. I've met with them. I've ate and drank with them. I've even been to some of their homes. None of that would have happened without this place. KTC is not somewhere I go to hide behind a keyboard and pretend to care about people. I'm the same guy here that I am anywhere else. I care, and I'll do everything in my power to help serious, dedicated folks here. With that mindset comes some vulnerability, I suppose.
So, when somebody comes in here and completely disrespects and lies to the kind-hearted mentors, it hurts. It hurts bad. Scott says that changing screen names was a "mistake" made in the past. I can't comprehend that being a mistake, because there is no way I would do something like that myself. That action says a lot about character. I can't even put it into words. To fail in your quit and ignore fellow quitters is one thing, but to pretend to be somebody else is much more than a mistake.
There are probably 30 people that know me and have my number. I hope that every one of them would be calling me repeatedly after a couple days of not showing. Could I lie to them or ignore them? I don't see how I could. That's accountability. That's compassion through brotherhood. I would have it no other way.
I guess the point of this rambling mess is just to say that I won't do or say anything on this forum that I wouldn't do or say in real life if y'all were standing right here with me. I won't look you in the eye with a promise of no nicotine, then go have a dip. Nor will I tell you that my name is now "Leroy".
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As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.Â
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.Â
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
Do you guys discuss "willpower" in your AA meetings? That's a serious question. You are the second or third person on here that also went through AA, that essentially said the same thing (i.e., quitting nicotine isn't willpower, you need accountability). I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I'm just curious as to whether it's discussed in AA meetings.
As for the rest of this thread.....the good news for scott is that KTC has added several new members since his last foray in Dec 2011. Those new members can accept him and move on with the quit because they didn't have any skin in the game. As for Dchogs and his other former quit group members, it's personal and they have every right to post their thoughts. Whenever a former caver from April 2012 returns they'd better expect to catch hell from me and others in April 12. It's called accountability. You don't get to wipe the slate clean and start over. In fact, a caver should never expect to start over. Past transgressions should never be forgotten and when probably remembered, past transgressions should fuel the fire that is your current quit.
Steve,
In AA we make known there is a clear difference between "willingness" and "willpower".
there is a "blurb in our "recovery book"
"No human Power could have relieved our "addiction" this includes willpower.
My individual "frail" human willpower, can not of it's own accord deal with the addiction without something bigger than myself. Which is why i sought out KTC.
KTC is a group of addicts, you guys as a group have "more power" than the individual.
My logical process brings The addiction to the CAN into my other recovery. I also believe that groups aren't my higher power. I have to believe that in the event I can't get a hold of some in the group, I have to be able to believe something "bigger" than all this can keep me from, (drinking, drugging, or DIPPING..)
try to will diarrhea from occuring see how far you get from the toilet.
What would your response be if I told you that my higher power isn't necessarily the direct contact I have with other quitters, it's knowing that there are 20+ regular posters in April 2012 who make their promise each day just like me. Not to mention the countless other quitters that post daily on KTC. When all else fails and you're in a cell service desert, there must be something more than just being able to talk to someone else. Call it trust, faith, whatever you wanna call it, but it's very real. I trust that my quit brothers and sisters will kick the nic bitch in the teeth every time she comes calling....whether or not they can get someone on the phone or a response to a text. In essence, the quit becomes less about me, and more about "us". When thought of this way, each promise is reciprocal and my actions affect not only me as an individual, but the well being of the entire group. What good is my promise if I can't rely on the promise of another?
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As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.Â
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.Â
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
Do you guys discuss "willpower" in your AA meetings? That's a serious question. You are the second or third person on here that also went through AA, that essentially said the same thing (i.e., quitting nicotine isn't willpower, you need accountability). I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I'm just curious as to whether it's discussed in AA meetings.
As for the rest of this thread.....the good news for scott is that KTC has added several new members since his last foray in Dec 2011. Those new members can accept him and move on with the quit because they didn't have any skin in the game. As for Dchogs and his other former quit group members, it's personal and they have every right to post their thoughts. Whenever a former caver from April 2012 returns they'd better expect to catch hell from me and others in April 12. It's called accountability. You don't get to wipe the slate clean and start over. In fact, a caver should never expect to start over. Past transgressions should never be forgotten and when probably remembered, past transgressions should fuel the fire that is your current quit.
Steve,
In AA we make known there is a clear difference between "willingness" and "willpower".
there is a "blurb in our "recovery book"
"No human Power could have relieved our "addiction" this includes willpower.
My individual "frail" human willpower, can not of it's own accord deal with the addiction without something bigger than myself. Which is why i sought out KTC.
KTC is a group of addicts, you guys as a group have "more power" than the individual.
My logical process brings The addiction to the CAN into my other recovery. I also believe that groups aren't my higher power. I have to believe that in the event I can't get a hold of some in the group, I have to be able to believe something "bigger" than all this can keep me from, (drinking, drugging, or DIPPING..)
try to will diarrhea from occuring see how far you get from the toilet.
What would your response be if I told you that my higher power isn't necessarily the direct contact I have with other quitters, it's knowing that there are 20+ regular posters in April 2012 who make their promise each day just like me. Not to mention the countless other quitters that post daily on KTC. When all else fails and you're in a cell service desert, there must be something more than just being able to talk to someone else. Call it trust, faith, whatever you wanna call it, but it's very real. I trust that my quit brothers and sisters will kick the nic bitch in the teeth every time she comes calling....whether or not they can get someone on the phone or a response to a text. In essence, the quit becomes less about me, and more about "us". When thought of this way, each promise is reciprocal and my actions affect not only me as an individual, but the well being of the entire group. What good is my promise if I can't rely on the promise of another?
My higherpower is that (and more) as well Steve.
knowing they are there is important in AA. as well as here.
"We can't do it alone",
"we CAN do it together"
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As a relative NOOBÂ I see this thread and it makes me want to cry.
it might be wise for KTCÂ members' to consider this "thought"
IN AA there is a saying:
"We don't shoot our wounded",Â
I see a lot of people on KTC go off on judgemental tirades. at or about people who cave, and come back, and frankly i've always found that attitude a bit disconcerting..Â
I dipped for 10 yrs, since a divorce, and was a Ninja dipper, after my spouse and i reconciled.
Lying is a damned normal part of the disease of addiction.
Anyone her who thinks they are above a cave, don't understand it as an addiction and are lying to themselves. I quit judging people, for actions i am guilty of. The fact is this, we are addicts and addicts lie. I was in the same boat with a spouse and bald faced lies and Ninja dipping.
She busted me, I got honest, and have been nicotine free for 14 days now.
Just quit today, quit for you, not for KTC, or your wife, or me, or anyone but you.
Come hell or hi water don't pickup the 1st one.
I will say the 1st few days absolutely suck, but getting past the physical craving means being willing to ride the "SUCK" as guys call it here and use it as your motivation to quite.
I DO NOT want to go through the suck ever again. So for today, even when I have a craving thought, i put gum or fake stuff in my mouth to ride it out.Â
I am a relative NOOB, and frankly sometimes judgemental A-Holes forget how fucking close the cave is.
I didn't quit to come here and get slapped down by seeming know-it-alls, I came here for honest support and encouragement.. I do get it.
I've been sober and in AA for a long time, I've witnessed a lot of people die through the years, one good friend who was sober died of emphasema last year because he could put down the cigs.
I came to the conclusion the addiction is in control and I am not, and not amount of willpower was going to fix it. I had to have outside help, 1st from the group, here, and also from my wife and the God of my understanding.
try willpower with diarrhea see how well it works.Â
Fact. We lie.
In order to quit dip or anything else, we have to quit lying to ourselves 1st. Doesn't matter what other people say or do, what we do is what matters.
I am quit TODAY. AND God willing forever. But the forever part is out of my hands.
My 2 Cents.
Do you guys discuss "willpower" in your AA meetings? That's a serious question. You are the second or third person on here that also went through AA, that essentially said the same thing (i.e., quitting nicotine isn't willpower, you need accountability). I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I'm just curious as to whether it's discussed in AA meetings.
As for the rest of this thread.....the good news for scott is that KTC has added several new members since his last foray in Dec 2011. Those new members can accept him and move on with the quit because they didn't have any skin in the game. As for Dchogs and his other former quit group members, it's personal and they have every right to post their thoughts. Whenever a former caver from April 2012 returns they'd better expect to catch hell from me and others in April 12. It's called accountability. You don't get to wipe the slate clean and start over. In fact, a caver should never expect to start over. Past transgressions should never be forgotten and when probably remembered, past transgressions should fuel the fire that is your current quit.
Steve,
In AA we make known there is a clear difference between "willingness" and "willpower".
there is a "blurb in our "recovery book"
"No human Power could have relieved our "addiction" this includes willpower.
My individual "frail" human willpower, can not of it's own accord deal with the addiction without something bigger than myself. Which is why i sought out KTC.
KTC is a group of addicts, you guys as a group have "more power" than the individual.
My logical process brings The addiction to the CAN into my other recovery. I also believe that groups aren't my higher power. I have to believe that in the event I can't get a hold of some in the group, I have to be able to believe something "bigger" than all this can keep me from, (drinking, drugging, or DIPPING..)
try to will diarrhea from occuring see how far you get from the toilet.
What would your response be if I told you that my higher power isn't necessarily the direct contact I have with other quitters, it's knowing that there are 20+ regular posters in April 2012 who make their promise each day just like me. Not to mention the countless other quitters that post daily on KTC. When all else fails and you're in a cell service desert, there must be something more than just being able to talk to someone else. Call it trust, faith, whatever you wanna call it, but it's very real. I trust that my quit brothers and sisters will kick the nic bitch in the teeth every time she comes calling....whether or not they can get someone on the phone or a response to a text. In essence, the quit becomes less about me, and more about "us". When thought of this way, each promise is reciprocal and my actions affect not only me as an individual, but the well being of the entire group. What good is my promise if I can't rely on the promise of another?
My higherpower is that (and more) as well Steve.
knowing they are there is important in AA. as well as here.
"We can't do it alone",
"we CAN do it together"
Although I know what you meant.....be careful with the "we can do it together" talk or next thing you'll know gmann will be blowing up your PM inbox.
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steve, I PM'd you.
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand".
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isnÂ’t about how hard you hit, itÂ’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? ThatÂ’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
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I apologize to anyone that I've hurt by my past transgressions to this site. I know what I did was selfish and fu$k*d up. One day at a time I plan to prove that I too can be stronger, honest, and live with my addiction.
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This is utter bull****.
Take a look at the first several posts in July 2011.
We do not lie about our being quit when we post roll.
You lie and say you are clean when you are not, you are gone.
It isn't about "Shooting our wounded".. No, NebraskaDad.. This isn't about being wounded at all.
This is about maning up. This is about keeping this site what it is, and keeping the teeth in this quit and making it mean something.
Everyone who comes in here, realizing they have been snakebit by nicotine is wounded. Every one. I dipped for 31 years. I lied to myself, I lied to my wife, I lied to everyone..
Everyone, that is, except the folks on this site.
You want the wiggle room to lie about being quit when you are not?
THEN GO TO LITE.
If we don't have integrity in Roll, then this site is nothing. I thought this ****** lied once, and now I read he lied twice?
GO.. GO TO LITE and take your excuses with you.
I am asking the Admins to ban this guy. I don't want him on "my" site. I won't quit with him, I won't help him.
Romandog - QUIT day 764, July 2011.
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I struggle with a couple of things in this thread. First of all, we ALL have a dog in this hunt. So to dismiss it as a "It's between him and his God" type of thing or to judge someone's reaction to this is wrong. It is between Him and everyone who posts roll that day. Catty remarked that he has come clean and so on, but he purposely posted while using Nic. Period..... I have only met a few of you in person and a few more via text and phone calls. It has to be a thing of absolute certainty that I believe everyone who posts roll each day is not using Nic. If that is broken then what the fuck are we doing here?
Nebraska mentioned that "Forever is out of my hands" Bull shit!! Your quit is in your hands every second of everyday! You are not going to slip on a bar of soap and a dip flys in your lip!! I know that you are new and you need to understand that there are no victims here. Only Addicts. Being an Addict makes it tougher to stop using but you ultimately have total control. Put two hands on the wheel, tighten up your belts and make it happen quitter!!!
This is the worst case of cave/lying I have ever seen in my time on this site. I am all for helping anyone quit but once you have violated the ONLY thing that we have on this site to place our faith in. Posting Roll!! I am not sure the 3 questions are going to change my mind. If this is something that we tolerate then what is next? Sorry bro.......I cannot trust you with my quit or anyone else's on this site. I hope you conquer your demons and never take another dip. But I wont be there for you.
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If it's true that you posted roll while using, please go elsewhere.
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I don't mind catching hell if I was not coming clean. But I'm catching shit for mistakes that were made over a year ago. I don't understand the logic in that, do you? I came CLEAN yesterday because I've got nothing to hide. So it just seems that some people want to give me shit, just to give me shit. And try to cherry pick things that were said a year ago as a reason to harp on me. Go ahead if that makes you feel better.
yes, you made mistakes over a year ago. yes, those things that happened over a year ago are being brought up today. there's a reason for this: the last time we saw your sorry ass was over a year ago when you were LYING to our faces. just because you put a little time between that lie and your next appearance doesn't mean all is suddenly forgiven. you have to actively earn trust back. i'm flabbergasted that you don't know that.
and you didn't come clean. you admitted to being a liar. but we're all addicts, so we're all liars. no shit, sherlock. you then talk about being such a shit for lying to your wife. you go into great detail about your shitty boss and how hard life was for you, but you never go into detail about your lying to the site, about posting roll while you were still using, about changing your name to slink back in here without taking responsibility for your actions.
plenty of talk about not knowing to have chewing gum, or fake dip, or not being organized enough (really, you expect us to believe that shit after you hit the HOF? you knew what to do... stop lying to us.). nothing about what really happened.
you committed two ban-able offenses (posting roll while using and purposefully using a different username). i don't know why you're still here. i'm not usually "one of the hardasses;" two of the guys that i count as good KTC friends caved and came back. you, though, did everything that runs counter to what this site is all about. just seeing you here cheapens it for me.
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I don't mind catching hell if I was not coming clean. But I'm catching shit for mistakes that were made over a year ago. I don't understand the logic in that, do you? I came CLEAN yesterday because I've got nothing to hide. So it just seems that some people want to give me shit, just to give me shit. And try to cherry pick things that were said a year ago as a reason to harp on me. Go ahead if that makes you feel better. Â
yes, you made mistakes over a year ago. yes, those things that happened over a year ago are being brought up today. there's a reason for this: the last time we saw your sorry ass was over a year ago when you were LYING to our faces. just because you put a little time between that lie and your next appearance doesn't mean all is suddenly forgiven. you have to actively earn trust back. i'm flabbergasted that you don't know that.
and you didn't come clean. you admitted to being a liar. but we're all addicts, so we're all liars. no shit, sherlock. you then talk about being such a shit for lying to your wife. you go into great detail about your shitty boss and how hard life was for you, but you never go into detail about your lying to the site, about posting roll while you were still using, about changing your name to slink back in here without taking responsibility for your actions.
plenty of talk about not knowing to have chewing gum, or fake dip, or not being organized enough (really, you expect us to believe that shit after you hit the HOF? you knew what to do... stop lying to us.). nothing about what really happened.
you committed two ban-able offenses (posting roll while using and purposefully using a different username). i don't know why you're still here. i'm not usually "one of the hardasses;" two of the guys that i count as good KTC friends caved and came back. you, though, did everything that runs counter to what this site is all about. just seeing you here cheapens it for me.
Like J2B, I'm not usually one of the guys that beat up a returning caver. There are guys around here that, frankly, are just better at it than I am. But this IS different.
If you caved and continued posting roll with an increasing number of days behind your name, you cannot be on this site. Period. If you are allowed to remain, perhaps I need to rethink my involvement on here. Because, while I can give a guy a second (or third) chance after a cave, I simply cannot put up with what you have done.
Today I posted up day 1,044, and this site has truly made all the difference in staying quit. But if you're allowed to stay, I don't think that I can. All we have is our word here, and I cannot see any set of circumstances where yours ever has any sort of meaning. Pure and simple, you are a liar, and if you are allowed to stay here, the foundation of this site has fundamentally changed.
Go over to lite. Hopefully you can find what you need over there.
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This is utter bull****.
Take a look at the first several posts in July 2011.
We do not lie about our being quit when we post roll.
You lie and say you are clean when you are not, you are gone.
It isn't about "Shooting our wounded".. No, NebraskaDad.. This isn't about being wounded at all.
This is about maning up. This is about keeping this site what it is, and keeping the teeth in this quit and making it mean something.
Everyone who comes in here, realizing they have been snakebit by nicotine is wounded. Every one. I dipped for 31 years. I lied to myself, I lied to my wife, I lied to everyone..
Everyone, that is, except the folks on this site.
You want the wiggle room to lie about being quit when you are not?
THEN GO TO LITE.
If we don't have integrity in Roll, then this site is nothing. I thought this ****** lied once, and now I read he lied twice?
GO.. GO TO LITE and take your excuses with you.
I am asking the Admins to ban this guy. I don't want him on "my" site. I won't quit with him, I won't help him.
Romandog - QUIT day 764, July 2011.
My apologies about my language.. No excuses..
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I don't mind catching hell if I was not coming clean. But I'm catching shit for mistakes that were made over a year ago. I don't understand the logic in that, do you? I came CLEAN yesterday because I've got nothing to hide. So it just seems that some people want to give me shit, just to give me shit. And try to cherry pick things that were said a year ago as a reason to harp on me. Go ahead if that makes you feel better.  Â
yes, you made mistakes over a year ago. yes, those things that happened over a year ago are being brought up today. there's a reason for this: the last time we saw your sorry ass was over a year ago when you were LYING to our faces. just because you put a little time between that lie and your next appearance doesn't mean all is suddenly forgiven. you have to actively earn trust back. i'm flabbergasted that you don't know that.
and you didn't come clean. you admitted to being a liar. but we're all addicts, so we're all liars. no shit, sherlock. you then talk about being such a shit for lying to your wife. you go into great detail about your shitty boss and how hard life was for you, but you never go into detail about your lying to the site, about posting roll while you were still using, about changing your name to slink back in here without taking responsibility for your actions.
plenty of talk about not knowing to have chewing gum, or fake dip, or not being organized enough (really, you expect us to believe that shit after you hit the HOF? you knew what to do... stop lying to us.). nothing about what really happened.
you committed two ban-able offenses (posting roll while using and purposefully using a different username). i don't know why you're still here. i'm not usually "one of the hardasses;" two of the guys that i count as good KTC friends caved and came back. you, though, did everything that runs counter to what this site is all about. just seeing you here cheapens it for me.
Like J2B, I'm not usually one of the guys that beat up a returning caver. There are guys around here that, frankly, are just better at it than I am. But this IS different.
If you caved and continued posting roll with an increasing number of days behind your name, you cannot be on this site. Period. If you are allowed to remain, perhaps I need to rethink my involvement on here. Because, while I can give a guy a second (or third) chance after a cave, I simply cannot put up with what you have done.
Today I posted up day 1,044, and this site has truly made all the difference in staying quit. But if you're allowed to stay, I don't think that I can. All we have is our word here, and I cannot see any set of circumstances where yours ever has any sort of meaning. Pure and simple, you are a liar, and if you are allowed to stay here, the foundation of this site has fundamentally changed.
Go over to lite. Hopefully you can find what you need over there.
Agreed.. I'm with you on that one, Seth...
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Scott Macek.. Here you go.. --Â
http://www.quitsmokeless.org/ (http://www.quitsmokeless.org/)
Scott, this is the best advice you've been given today:
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Your initial post in this thread opened up with promise. ....and then crashed.
Let's not stray too far from the original big three questions, I still want an answer to those. I don't know when you caved. I don't know why you caved, or how specifically. And I DAMN sure haven't heard anything about how you are gonna do things different this time. Scott actually said he had a "good plan" before. Really? Have we heard ANY reference to how this time is going to be different that the last. Or the one before that. Or the one.....
Now, please stop saying "I'm not making excuses" after every excuse. Its creepy and sad. Tell us exactly how. Exactly why. Exactly why your "good plan" sucked and exactly why you plan to embrace the KTC plan in the future. If you are gonna try "your plan" again, go somewhere else. If you can't give a better answer to our questions, go somewhere else. Bu-bye. That's not being an ass, that's doing you a favor, as you'll be wasting your time here. .
PS. You have been with so many groups you can't even recall them? One of the groups that you can't even remember is mine. I'm a BoMB. I and others like me helped to watch your back. The fact that you don't even recall us is...well.....upsetting.
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand".Â
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isn’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? That’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
I agree with Waste. KTC forgives past mistakes and it is up to Scott to either quit or move on. I will support the guys quit, but will be the first in line to beat his ass if he fucks this opportunity up. Lie to me once, shame on you...lie to me twice, shame on me.
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haven't been on site since early this morning. Just read through quite a bit of this thread, tons of quit gold on here, lots of really great quitters weighing in..... one question is Scott banned? Did I miss that or is the question unresolved. I want everyone to quit, you all know that, but posting roll while using is unforgivable, unacceptable and NOT what this site is, I come here every morning first thing (675 today) and promise to not use nicotine, then I live up to my word. That is everything to my quit, we cannot cheapen that. When I've had dip dreams I don't wake up in a cold sweat cus I caved in the dream I wake up in a cold sweat because I've lied to my fellow quit brothers in the dream. My word matters, my fellow's quitters word to me matters.
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this whole thread chaps my muffins.
If Scotty gets a dip then why can't I? Why can't you?
Be nice to the caver? .....suck on it.
The vets know all too well how little it takes to cave. Don't think were sanctimonious assholes because we treat serial cavers like fucking cancer. They are exactly that.
This site isn't for attempting to quit. No Hope, No try, no slips. This site is for quitters.
This is life and death for many of us. Maybe somebody's last chance, or somebody's only chance. Why the fuck do you want to tamper with the success of those that are serious about quitting with a serial caver. If he lied on roll call he should GTFO.
GO TO LITE, attempts are good enough over there. But here? here it's all in, and you seem to lack both the integrity and intestinal fortitude required to get the job done.
Maybe your destined to let this shit kill you so you can serve as an example to others.
I hope not. In any case, you really should roll over to " Lite" I hear they are offering discounts on nicorette, and if you join now you get a free coddle during the campfire songs.
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ps you may suck it again if you don't like what I wrote.
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I cannot believe how much attention this is getting. It boils down to this : everyone knows what this site is based on, it's accountability to one another. This guy has failed numerous times at following that principle. People are mad because "dicks" are out in force. Now me personally I'm not really a dick - this guy doesn't earn that from me. I'm only a dick to people who buy into what is sold here and then fail. This guy never bought into anything. It's a non issue. I don't believe in kicking people when they are down. This guy wants to quit. Great, I hope he does - but this isn't the place for half assed attempts. On this site there is no trying. It's quit or don't quit. Period. There's no middle ground. This guy's quit isn't harder than mine just like mine isn't harder than the next guys. I dipped for 26 years and quit without looking back. I had shitty bosses too. I lose too much money gambling. I drink too much. My wife left me. Etc etc etc. we all have excuses. At the end of the day you look in the mirror and decide whether you choose to use tobacco or not. IT'S A CHOICE. Sorry man - you need to go elsewhere and quit. I wish you the best of luck but KTC isn't for you.
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This is some bullshit. I hate how some get caught up on what is SAID to people. Big fucking deal. My Dad called me an asshole multiple times a day from age 12 to about 22. Didn't mean I was one or turned out to be one.
Fact is it doesn't matter if you use an angelic tone or acid tongue to address this cat, it will have no bearing if he remains quit or not.
Personally I could give 2 shits. Guy has more excuses for caving than I can count, then he used an alias...that was banned??? What the fuck. I can hardly keep track.
Sorry I have no sympathy either. I thought I was fucking gonna DIE when I quit. Psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, panic attacks, anxiety attacks, depression, anxiety meds, anti depression meds, planes, trains, and automobiles...but I never put that shit back in my mouth.
Do I think I'm "better" than Scott or anyone else who caves? No. Not really, but that doesn't mean I have to cup their nuts when they come back. They took the easy road while I was crawling out of the ditches of the same road. This fucking guy zoomed right by me, without even offering as much as a "you need any help buddy". Excuse me if that pisses me off.
So fuck anyone who tells me how I should or should not "talk" to someone on here.
Now I'm going to bed angry. Thanks a lot!
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Wow...first of all, scott, i quit with you today...as long as the admin thinks you are worthy of posting roll here then by all means quit on brother. I understand what its like to go through some hard times and i too used them as excuses to do just about anything boozin smokin and chewin...sometimes all at the same time. I lied to just about everyone about my nicotine habit as i'm almost most sure i would have done the same thing here a year ago i was so fucked up in the head. So really, man, if you're for real, i'll be your ally here....and it looks like you might need one.
And to those that are basically telling this man to jump while he's standing on the cliff....real nice clark, ah real nice. Seriously, the only reason i'm going to stay on this now is to be this joker's quit buddy and because of Erussell and a few others in my august group. The rest of you, go ahead and look down upon everyone else from your throne that makes mistakes. Or did you forget because your a few months quit that we are all addicts here and addicts make mistakes. Remind me not to reach out to anyone else on here if i'm having a rough time.
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Wow...first of all, scott, i quit with you today...as long as the admin thinks you are worthy of posting roll here then by all means quit on brother. I understand what its like to go through some hard times and i too used them as excuses to do just about anything boozin smokin and chewin...sometimes all at the same time. I lied to just about everyone about my nicotine habit as i'm almost most sure i would have done the same thing here a year ago i was so fucked up in the head. So really, man, if you're for real, i'll be your ally here....and it looks like you might need one.
And to those that are basically telling this man to jump while he's standing on the cliff....real nice clark, ah real nice. Seriously, the only reason i'm going to stay on this now is to be this joker's quit buddy and because of Erussell and a few others in my august group. The rest of you, go ahead and look down upon everyone else from your throne that makes mistakes. Or did you forget because your a few months quit that we are all addicts here and addicts make mistakes. Remind me not to reach out to anyone else on here if i'm having a rough time.
I'm With you today Scott. Glad to see you posted roll. Sorry for texting and waking you up. Didn't know you were on the west coast. Stay strong today and hold your head up!
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Wow...first of all, scott, i quit with you today...as long as the admin thinks you are worthy of posting roll here then by all means quit on brother. I understand what its like to go through some hard times and i too used them as excuses to do just about anything boozin smokin and chewin...sometimes all at the same time. I lied to just about everyone about my nicotine habit as i'm almost most sure i would have done the same thing here a year ago i was so fucked up in the head. So really, man, if you're for real, i'll be your ally here....and it looks like you might need one.
And to those that are basically telling this man to jump while he's standing on the cliff....real nice clark, ah real nice. Seriously, the only reason i'm going to stay on this now is to be this joker's quit buddy and because of Erussell and a few others in my august group. The rest of you, go ahead and look down upon everyone else from your throne that makes mistakes. Or did you forget because your a few months quit that we are all addicts here and addicts make mistakes. Remind me not to reach out to anyone else on here if i'm having a rough time.
Oh, go blow it out your ass.
Nobody is telling him to jump off the cliff, just like nobody told him to jump off it the multiple times he caved and lied.
The only reason your staying is to help him out...give me a fucking break.
Go back and look at YOUR intro and all the support and encouragement you got. Don't act like we are all a bunch of assholes or something. It's simply not true. Save your bleeding heart routine.
I hope this guy quits, I really do. Doesn't mean I have to be there holding his nuts every step of the way or like his past transgressions and cannot speak out about them.
A TON of people have reached out to me when they were having a rough time, and I have done my best to help every single one of them. Just like when I was struggling and reached out others helped me. I am simply returning the favor and I do not sit on a throne and look down on anybody. I simply don't have a lot of tolerance and sympathy for people who abuse this site.
The way I see it, this guy is like a tanking stock...a bad investment based on past performance. Maybe he is ready to turn it around, maybe he is not. I sure as hell hope he does turn it around, but in no way am I obligated to invest in him, nor hold my tongue with my thoughts on him.
As suggested earlier, their is a site were everyone is coddled and everyone holds hands and says "good try, good effort" when people fail. Perhaps you would be happier there?
http://www.quitsmokeless.org/ (http://www.quitsmokeless.org/)
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
Folks,
Just a reminder in case anyone missed it.
One thing will get you launched out of this site faster than anything, and that is lying about being clean when you are not..
This roll is for quitters ONLY..
If you lie to your quit brothers and sisters on this site, then you need to leave.
There are sites available where that kind of coddling is available.
This ain't one of them.
Romandog
QUIT day 764
Roman,
I appreciate the post and agree with every word 100%. I do have a question though; what prompted the post? Is there someone out there not being truthful, or just a friendly reminder? I'm not asking to challenge the post, just sincerely want to know if there is someone out there being dishonest.
kiger
No, KKiger, no one in this group to my knowledge..
But yes, there was an instance of this over the past several days, and it was a continuation from over a year ago..
Roll is a very serious thing.. Three things will get a person kicked off this site..
- Posting roll attesting to being quit when in fact you continue to dip (July '11 Dad of Five, also known as Dad of Lies) and the recent one...
- Trying to post roll under a different name than the one you had originally for the purpose of trying to hide a cave, etc...
Both are bootable offenses for a first time offense.. The person in question did both..
- Serial caving will also get you moved on..
I posted this here and in other pre-HOF groups to make sure everyone understood that these sorts of behavior are not forgiveable offenses..
There are several sites where you can serial cave, say you are quit when you are not, change your name and come back, etc... This site broke away from one of those sites for this reason..
We are addicts, ladies and gentlemen.. We have a history of lying to ourselves and to others in order to perpetuate and nurture our addiction..
This site is so effective because it strips away that facade of lies..
We can see through the smoke screen because we all know very well how to lay one down... We can detect nic-brain excuses because we have heard our own lips repeat the same baloney..
Taking that away, this site loses its power to do the job.
Yes, that is why we are such assholes when someone caves.
The pain of caving has to exceed the "pleasure" obtained from the secret transgression.. It has to sting. It has to be seen for what it is.... A diabolical scheme that will drag you down to death.. A painful, ugly, smelly, disgusting, face-half-eaten-away, deceptive, heartbreaking death that comes way too early, wastes what could have been a rewarding, productive life and steals others of a future they should have had.
Pass this around..
Romandog- Day 764.. Quit with you.. and if I'm ever not quit, kick my ass all over the place.. I don't EVER want to go back there. Ever.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
Fuck of eh? LOL. OH NO, That hurt my feelings. I might leave this site now, because I'm a little pussy.
MAN THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, yeah dick weed, the comeback was in the style of the 80's in response to your reference of "real nice Clark..." which I believe was a a movie from the 80's correct??? National Lampoons Family Vacation??? Moron.
I only get bitter when topics like this come up. I've made over a 1,000 posts on here, 98% of them have been supportive and positive. It grinds me when people piss on this site and abuse it. If you look at the responses of the guys who have chosen to get involved you will see a lot of them are vets. I believe they feel the same way. This site was built a certain way, and seems to be helping you, you SHOULD pay attention to this thread. You start allowing people to do whatever the fuck they want and this place will start to become soft and decay. Soon everybody will be caving multiple times and be welcomed back with open arms, and this site will be SHIT.
I support cavers who are truly sorry, come back, man up and quit like fuck. Not guys who cave multiple times, create aliases and lie through their fucking teeth.
Read what Roamandog just wrote. It is the truth. Or will you tell him to fuck off too?
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
(1) No matter what is going on in his life (or yours), will using make it better? Can you give me a good excuse to use?
(2) Nobody can push anybody "off a cliff" with words. Scott can choose to succeed, or he can choose to fail. But only he can decide that. We can support him, or we can ignore him. But we have no say at all as to what he does.
There is one thing and one thing only in this world that I can control and that is my actions. I choose to quit, and I choose to give everything to that.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Quit or don't quit. If you don't quit you do not belong here.
Keep your word or lie. If you lie you do not belong here.
Seems harsh, eh? Well that is real life. There are consequences for your actions in real life.
There are winners and losers. We don't hand out participation ribbons. Fuck we screwed up the Gen Y'ers and Gen X'ers with all the fucking coddling.
2nd chance? 3rd chance? 4th chance? 5th chance? Where are you going to draw the line? Wait too long and this entire site will be poisoned.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
(1) No matter what is going on in his life (or yours), will using make it better? Can you give me a good excuse to use?
(2) Nobody can push anybody "off a cliff" with words. Scott can choose to succeed, or he can choose to fail. But only he can decide that. We can support him, or we can ignore him. But we have no say at all as to what he does.
There is one thing and one thing only in this world that I can control and that is my actions. I choose to quit, and I choose to give everything to that.
See here's the thing waste....i agree with everything you just said. You asked insightful intelligent respectful questions. I'm very good with holding people accountable, lord knows i need to be held accountable. but like i pm'd you early waste....i spent time in jail with people that were more respectful then some of this bullshit i've seen on this thread and i have scott's back.
I don't like that he caved or what he did...but i can leave it at that.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
"Love is given, respect is earned". Respect is a two way street son. There really is no excuse for caving though. Their have been people on here who have gone through tremendous tragedy and have remained quit. Stress at work and a mean boss, isn't gonna get much sympathy here.
And if you question my quit...I can assure you that it is 100% rock solid.
Not a good idea to questions others quits. I don't question yours, and you told me to fuck off. I take your word that you are quit for 14 days, great work, keep it up.
THAT is how this site works. Your WORD is everything, even if we don't see eye to eye.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
I think most people on this site would agree that gmann is a cocksucker, but I have always wondered how they would know.
On to the topic at hand. It is great that you have reached your hand out to Scott, after reading through this he really needs it.
Every person has a different level of tolerance for any action. For example, most people will not accept cheating on them by their spouse, for me, I would end my 24 years of marriage over that in a heartbeat. To me fidelity is sacred and if my spouse broke that there could never be trust again. Others may allow it to happen over an over again because their tolerance level is different.
The fact that Scott continued to post when he was not quit is what has people riled up. To many people on this site roll is sacred. You do not post roll if you are not nicotine free. Doing so creates lots of trust issues.
Ultimately it is up to the powers at be on whether to allow him back on this site or not, but, none of that has to effect you Jay. If you feel strongly about helping Scott with his quit you can do that even without this site.
For myself, I am too new here and have not yet established the right to judge others, but, I hope this time Scott has taken enough lumps to strengthen his quit, but only time will tell.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I sure hope you dont forget it. You will look back from a different point of view later on in your quit. Use all this to learn and grow in your quit. There is alot of wisdom in this thread
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
What you don't understand is that i DO understand why his group was upset. Perfectly fine to feel a little betrayed i guess. Addicts lie...it happens...but i'm not gonna stand on the sidelines and let somebody just get ripped apart when he's giving an effort. And if i have to eat my words because he caves, then i'll hunt him down and break his legs, but until then i'm quit with scott...
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
(1) No matter what is going on in his life (or yours), will using make it better? Can you give me a good excuse to use?
(2) Nobody can push anybody "off a cliff" with words. Scott can choose to succeed, or he can choose to fail. But only he can decide that. We can support him, or we can ignore him. But we have no say at all as to what he does.
There is one thing and one thing only in this world that I can control and that is my actions. I choose to quit, and I choose to give everything to that.
See here's the thing waste....i agree with everything you just said. You asked insightful intelligent respectful questions. I'm very good with holding people accountable, lord knows i need to be held accountable. but like i pm'd you early waste....i spent time in jail with people that were more respectful then some of this bullshit i've seen on this thread and i have scott's back.
I don't like that he caved or what he did...but i can leave it at that.
Let me try to explain why this is a particularly big deal Jay.
For me, it doesn't matter that he's caved several times. We can debate how many second chances are warranted, but that question is irrelevant to the situation at hand. Whether or not he 'slipped up' is not the concern here.
The main issue that I have with Scott is that he posted that he was quit at least five times while he was actively using. That is the truly unforgivable sin on this forum. Part of the reason that this site works is knowing that each and every man and woman that posted roll today is going to make it through the day without using. Every once in a while, someone will post roll and cave that day. It is almost always in a new quit group, and that person rightfully gets raked over the coals. Once that person has addressed what happened, why it happened and what they plan to do differently so it doesn't happen again, most of the people here will dust them off and get right back to supporting them. We are hard on them, but ultimately want to help if they want to actually quit. This situation is VERY different. Not only did Scott not keep his word, but he continued to post roll purporting to be quit when that was not the case. This site cannot work unless we all believe each other when we put our names on the line at the start of every day.
I don't care that he caved. People cave, it's a fact of life. I think the most optimistic numbers suggest that no more than 20% of the people here that sign a day 1 will remain quit for a year. That is not what has me riled up. It is the continued lying about being quit that is the real problem. And that is a problem that has no place here. There are places that type of behavior is acceptable, places that have much lower success rates than KTC does. But I will protect this house. And if, after committing not one but two bannable offenses, the admins decide to let him stay here, I will be leaving. That's how serious I think this is.
It's as serious as life or death.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
Fuck of eh? LOL. OH NO, That hurt my feelings. I might leave this site now, because I'm a little pussy.
MAN THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, yeah dick weed, the comeback was in the style of the 80's in response to your reference of "real nice Clark..." which I believe was a a movie from the 80's correct??? National Lampoons Family Vacation??? Moron.
I only get bitter when topics like this come up. I've made over a 1,000 posts on here, 98% of them have been supportive and positive. It grinds me when people piss on this site and abuse it. If you look at the responses of the guys who have chosen to get involved you will see a lot of them are vets. I believe they feel the same way. This site was built a certain way, and seems to be helping you, you SHOULD pay attention to this thread. You start allowing people to do whatever the fuck they want and this place will start to become soft and decay. Soon everybody will be caving multiple times and be welcomed back with open arms, and this site will be SHIT.
I support cavers who are truly sorry, come back, man up and quit like fuck. Not guys who cave multiple times, create aliases and lie through their fucking teeth.
Read what Roamandog just wrote. It is the truth. Or will you tell him to fuck off too?
I am still new to the site and even had a lame early cave. Honestly I want people like Diesel, Waste and other vets to keep things honest. If people are allowed to float by without being called out for lying, posting roll while using, and the other bannable offenses the site loses its teeth and its purpose. I've been on and off the dip stop train enough times that I finally understand what it takes. Please continue to hold us accountable and honest fellas. Quit On!
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And if i have to eat my words because he caves, then i'll hunt him down and break his legs, but until then i'm quit with scott...
You just made my signature bud.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
Jay your quit is young and you're confused. This is normal. You're still releasing frustration. This is normal. What you fail to see is these guys are trying to save this mans life. This isn't a fucking game, the elders know this. One of my bro's on here had his fucking tongue cut open while his wife sat in the next room. Then he had to wait to see if he had cancer have more time with his family. I'll repeat it, this isn't a fucking game. 14 day's quit? Awesome, but don't judge the elders, they know what they're doing, and once your quit get's stronger it'll make more sense. Focus all that energy on your own quit... go exercise or something..
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
(1) No matter what is going on in his life (or yours), will using make it better? Can you give me a good excuse to use?
(2) Nobody can push anybody "off a cliff" with words. Scott can choose to succeed, or he can choose to fail. But only he can decide that. We can support him, or we can ignore him. But we have no say at all as to what he does.
There is one thing and one thing only in this world that I can control and that is my actions. I choose to quit, and I choose to give everything to that.
See here's the thing waste....i agree with everything you just said. You asked insightful intelligent respectful questions. I'm very good with holding people accountable, lord knows i need to be held accountable. but like i pm'd you early waste....i spent time in jail with people that were more respectful then some of this bullshit i've seen on this thread and i have scott's back.
I don't like that he caved or what he did...but i can leave it at that.
Let me try to explain why this is a particularly big deal Jay.
For me, it doesn't matter that he's caved several times. We can debate how many second chances are warranted, but that question is irrelevant to the situation at hand. Whether or not he 'slipped up' is not the concern here.
The main issue that I have with Scott is that he posted that he was quit at least five times while he was actively using. That is the truly unforgivable sin on this forum. Part of the reason that this site works is knowing that each and every man and woman that posted roll today is going to make it through the day without using. Every once in a while, someone will post roll and cave that day. It is almost always in a new quit group, and that person rightfully gets raked over the coals. Once that person has addressed what happened, why it happened and what they plan to do differently so it doesn't happen again, most of the people here will dust them off and get right back to supporting them. We are hard on them, but ultimately want to help if they want to actually quit. This situation is VERY different. Not only did Scott not keep his word, but he continued to post roll purporting to be quit when that was not the case. This site cannot work unless we all believe each other when we put our names on the line at the start of every day.
I don't care that he caved. People cave, it's a fact of life. I think the most optimistic numbers suggest that no more than 20% of the people here that sign a day 1 will remain quit for a year. That is not what has me riled up. It is the continued lying about being quit that is the real problem. And that is a problem that has no place here. There are places that type of behavior is acceptable, places that have much lower success rates than KTC does. But I will protect this house. And if, after committing not one but two bannable offenses, the admins decide to let him stay here, I will be leaving. That's how serious I think this is.
It's as serious as life or death.
Oh my Lord i understand....i get the frustration, i respect the concerns...(what else can i say to make you all understand that i GET IT). I am honestly just giving this guy probably some of the only positive support he's gotten since he came back. I DO believe in multiple chances....now if my wife cheated on me i'd bounce...but scott is not my wife (i like the pussy) and i wasn't around then so i'm throwing a line to him...and honestly it's worked because some of the grumpier old men here have left him alone which has probably helped his quit just a little today...i know when i feel backed into a corner i'm going to come out swinging and probably with a can in my pocket...so i'm doing my part to pull him back off the ledge, not push him off
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
Jay your quit is young and you're confused. This is normal. You're still releasing frustration. This is normal. What you fail to see is these guys are trying to save this mans life. This isn't a fucking game, the elders know this. One of my bro's on here had his fucking tongue cut open while his wife sat in the next room. Then he had to wait to see if he had cancer have more time with his family. I'll repeat it, this isn't a fucking game. 14 day's quit? Awesome, but don't judge the elders, they know what they're doing, and once your quit get's stronger it'll make more sense. Focus all that energy on your own quit... go exercise or something..
He broke the singular element that makes this site work, and that is honesty when posting roll. People cave due to momentary weakness and / or stupidity and while they are usually given hell for it (because people care), they are ultimately forgiven. People understand the mistakes, the pitfalls, the pure addiction that we share and people are forgiven.
What he did was not a mistake, not a momentary weakness, nothing of the sort. He posting roll for some time while dipping. He shit all over the one thing we have on this site and that is trust and integrity in the roll call system.
Forgive if you want. I hope he quits for real this time also. I would love to know why he found it "ok" and necessary to lie on roll call though.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
I think most people on this site would agree that gmann is a cocksucker, but I have always wondered how they would know.
On to the topic at hand. It is great that you have reached your hand out to Scott, after reading through this he really needs it.
Every person has a different level of tolerance for any action. For example, most people will not accept cheating on them by their spouse, for me, I would end my 24 years of marriage over that in a heartbeat. To me fidelity is sacred and if my spouse broke that there could never be trust again. Others may allow it to happen over an over again because their tolerance level is different.
The fact that Scott continued to post when he was not quit is what has people riled up. To many people on this site roll is sacred. You do not post roll if you are not nicotine free. Doing so creates lots of trust issues.
Ultimately it is up to the powers at be on whether to allow him back on this site or not, but, none of that has to effect you Jay. If you feel strongly about helping Scott with his quit you can do that even without this site.
For myself, I am too new here and have not yet established the right to judge others, but, I hope this time Scott has taken enough lumps to strengthen his quit, but only time will tell.
I'm an addict. But I guess me and lots of other folks have miraculously managed not to cave and continue posting roll like lying ass dogs, so I'm being unreasonable by not rolling out the red carpet for this gentleman.
I never said Scott doesn't deserve another chance. I hope he is able to become a non-using addict. Fine with me if he does it here and y'all sing peace songs and protest injustice at every turn. But the integrity of roll call and this site is far more important than one guy who will take a dump on it when things start getting a little tough.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
I see that the Scott has posted a Day 3 in his new group. Normally I would be happy for him and may even reach out because that was a long day for me. I never once read a post on the KTC and had any doubt that it was the truth until I heard Scott's story. He could post Day 100 for all I care. It doesnt mean a thing.
We do make mistakes and we are human. But what he did is a sign of his true character. He would have gotten away with it if admin would not have caught it. So, the only reason why we know what we know is because he was caught not because he confessed. People who come back and admit they fucked up, explain why and how they are going to be successful this time are the people I have time for. Even if it has been more than once. What he did goes against every single principle of this site. Post Roll, KEEP YOUR WORD and Repeat. Its that simple.
I am sorry that some of you cannot see how grave the infractions are that he committed. I am sorry that you dont see how serious quitting is to US as it should be to YOU. 30% make it to HOF. I fear that not taking these things as serious as us "OLD" guys do leaves you open to bad things. I only treat people as I expect to be treated. If I were to cave I would expect to get thrashed. I am not being a dick for the sake of being a Dick. If there are no consequences for caving then how do we keep peeps accountable? I have seen Hundreds of people come on here all fired up and ready to QUIT. 70% of them fail. Most of those people run off to never be heard from again. Some come back hat in hand and fess up and post a Day 1. One tried to beat the system and was caught. We've already put too much time and effort into this one person. Lets go save some quits of people we can trust.
Keep posting a +1 everyday! Only you know whether you are quit or not.
Keep on Quitting!!
J
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
I think most people on this site would agree that gmann is a cocksucker, but I have always wondered how they would know.
On to the topic at hand. It is great that you have reached your hand out to Scott, after reading through this he really needs it.
Every person has a different level of tolerance for any action. For example, most people will not accept cheating on them by their spouse, for me, I would end my 24 years of marriage over that in a heartbeat. To me fidelity is sacred and if my spouse broke that there could never be trust again. Others may allow it to happen over an over again because their tolerance level is different.
The fact that Scott continued to post when he was not quit is what has people riled up. To many people on this site roll is sacred. You do not post roll if you are not nicotine free. Doing so creates lots of trust issues.
Ultimately it is up to the powers at be on whether to allow him back on this site or not, but, none of that has to effect you Jay. If you feel strongly about helping Scott with his quit you can do that even without this site.
For myself, I am too new here and have not yet established the right to judge others, but, I hope this time Scott has taken enough lumps to strengthen his quit, but only time will tell.
I'm an addict. But I guess me and lots of other folks have miraculously managed not to cave and continue posting roll like lying ass dogs, so I'm being unreasonable by not rolling out the red carpet for this gentleman.
I never said Scott doesn't deserve another chance. I hope he is able to become a non-using addict. Fine with me if he does it here and y'all sing peace songs and protest injustice at every turn. But the integrity of roll call and this site is far more important than one guy who will take a dump on it when things start getting a little tough.
anyone remember scowicks life raft metaphor? That would be a good one for this topic..
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
I see that the Scott has posted a Day 3 in his new group. Normally I would be happy for him and may even reach out because that was a long day for me. I never once read a post on the KTC and had any doubt that it was the truth until I heard Scott's story. He could post Day 100 for all I care. It doesnt mean a thing.
We do make mistakes and we are human. But what he did is a sign of his true character. He would have gotten away with it if admin would not have caught it. So, the only reason why we know what we know is because he was caught not because he confessed. People who come back and admit they fucked up, explain why and how they are going to be successful this time are the people I have time for. Even if it has been more than once. What he did goes against every single principle of this site. Post Roll, KEEP YOUR WORD and Repeat. Its that simple.
I am sorry that some of you cannot see how grave the infractions are that he committed. I am sorry that you dont see how serious quitting is to US as it should be to YOU. 30% make it to HOF. I fear that not taking these things as serious as us "OLD" guys do leaves you open to bad things. I only treat people as I expect to be treated. If I were to cave I would expect to get thrashed. I am not being a dick for the sake of being a Dick. If there are no consequences for caving then how do we keep peeps accountable? I have seen Hundreds of people come on here all fired up and ready to QUIT. 70% of them fail. Most of those people run off to never be heard from again. Some come back hat in hand and fess up and post a Day 1. One tried to beat the system and was caught. We've already put too much time and effort into this one person. Lets go save some quits of people we can trust.
Keep posting a +1 everyday! Only you know whether you are quit or not.
Keep on Quitting!!
J
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My blood is on the verge of boiling at the disrespect of this site and everything it stands for. This site is my salvation from a life of slavery. This site has given me more time with my sons. This site helped me through some of the most difficult times of my life, without a crutch or the faintest desire to stuff death in my face.
Those of you that think you are "supporting" scott need to look in the mirror. You are NOT supporting, you are ENABLING him. Life is a harsh mistress, filled with all sorts of shitty situations and choices. The great thing is we all have the freedom to handle those situations how we see fit, and the freedom to make choices on how to conduct ourselves.
Scott chose to cave (shitty, but forgivable). He then chose to lie about it. You dont understand why so many are so upset? Start at the basics - Why we post roll. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120). You dont get to come into our sanctuary and shit on the floor then expect us to welcome you back.
Where is the accountability? There is nothing here if not for that. Can you honestly say you trust his word when he posts roll?
Sorry, but some things can be forgiven and trust rebuilt. Caving, for example. But putting your name down on the line and using is not one of them in my opinion. Scott clearly went to extremes to cover up his lie, then expects us to forget it because its "been a year." I may very well forget it scott, but I will never forgive. Your actions were/are disrespectful to everyone who has put in the blood sweat and tears to make this place what it is.
I do hope you quit and have a long, healthy, nicotine free life. I just cannot trust you to help my brothers and sisters do the same.
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Quit or don't quit. If you don't quit you do not belong here.
Keep your word or lie. If you lie you do not belong here.
Seems harsh, eh? Well that is real life. There are consequences for your actions in real life.
There are winners and losers. We don't hand out participation ribbons. Fuck we screwed up the Gen Y'ers and Gen X'ers with all the fucking coddling.
2nd chance? 3rd chance? 4th chance? 5th chance? Where are you going to draw the line? Wait too long and this entire site will be poisoned.
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My blood is on the verge of boiling at the disrespect of this site and everything it stands for. This site is my salvation from a life of slavery. This site has given me more time with my sons. This site helped me through some of the most difficult times of my life, without a crutch or the faintest desire to stuff death in my face.
Those of you that think you are "supporting" scott need to look in the mirror. You are NOT supporting, you are ENABLING him. Life is a harsh mistress, filled with all sorts of shitty situations and choices. The great thing is we all have the freedom to handle those situations how we see fit, and the freedom to make choices on how to conduct ourselves.
Scott chose to cave (shitty, but forgivable). He then chose to lie about it. You dont understand why so many are so upset? Start at the basics - Why we post roll. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120). You dont get to come into our sanctuary and shit on the floor then expect us to welcome you back.
Where is the accountability? There is nothing here if not for that. Can you honestly say you trust his word when he posts roll?
Sorry, but some things can be forgiven and trust rebuilt. Caving, for example. But putting your name down on the line and using is not one of them in my opinion. Scott clearly went to extremes to cover up his lie, then expects us to forget it because its "been a year." I may very well forget it scott, but I will never forgive. Your actions were/are disrespectful to everyone who has put in the blood sweat and tears to make this place what it is.
I do hope you quit and have a long, healthy, nicotine free life. I just cannot trust you to help my brothers and sisters do the same.
Well, Sorry Scott, you will never be forgiven by some on this site. You were caught red handed and there are those on this site that just cannot bring themselves to forgive you so it's time to move on -- check your PM and you will find my digits there so anytime you need some support feel free to text. If I were you, I would use this KFC crucifixion as motivation to never make this particular stupid mistake again. Use it as a starting point to make some real positive changes in your life.
If you decide to stay on this site, I will support you, but don't ever lie again about your quit. I believe all of us, if we are honest, have had situations where we have not made the best choice and need a second or third chance.... or if you follow the good book, 49 chances for illustrative purposes.... but don't bring disrespect on your name or this site again -- use the tools, bitch at us, live chat, texts, etc.
As for those who now despise you and will never forgive you -- who gives a shit?
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Jesus lord, i'm not saying we need to all get on our knees and suck this guy off for fuck's sake....i was saying there is a better way. And most of you have questioned his motives in a way that is at least somewhat civilized...if the admin wants to kick him off then by all means, that is their prerogative but until they decide too then i, as a member of a SUPPORT site, will support him.
And yes...Scott, you fucked up...and you fucked up pretty royally. But like i said...i will quit with you today...although there are many that won't....you have a small little pack of support from those that i know have reached out to you through pm's and what not. These are good folks who will have your back and help you. As you can see...some will not, partly because what you did, and partly because they have no way to see past any mistakes and they haven't ever made any mistakes or ever lied to anyone about their addiction.
And dead, my word is that i won't chew today, i am quit, and when someone comes asking for support on a website that is designed to support other people...i will carry that flag, even if others won't.
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...i'm not saying we need to all get on our knees and suck this guy off for fuck's sake...
oh, okay.
wastepanel, you can stand up now.
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You know what would take some real balls?
Walking away after all of these words were written about you (both in support and those that are chastising). Obviously, people care one way or another. It would take a big, fat liar that is afraid to face what he is capable of to walk away and show the haters that they are right despite claiming that you want to be quit. It would take the biggest coward asshole to read the words of support written here and say "Fuck it!" while fingerbanging a can.
No pressure, but failure is not an option.
'Popcorn'
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You know what would take some real balls?
Walking away after all of these words were written about you (both in support and those that are chastising). Obviously, people care one way or another. It would take a big, fat liar that is afraid to face what he is capable of to walk away and show the haters that they are right despite claiming that you want to be quit. It would take the biggest coward asshole to read the words of support written here and say "Fuck it!" while fingerbanging a can.
No pressure, but failure is not an option.
'Popcorn'
now that i agree with.
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...i'm not saying we need to all get on our knees and suck this guy off for fuck's sake...
oh, okay.
wastepanel, you can stand up now.
Oh, whatever G.
You talk a big game for an anonymous mouth on a glory hole. You still using the knee pads, or did that special low chair come in?
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....and partly because they have no way to see past any mistakes and they haven't ever made any mistakes or ever lied to anyone about their addiction.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE???????
I lied my ASS off for 15 years about chewing. And guess what, if I told everyone I quit and continued to REPEATEDLY lie about that, and kept using and fucking up, AFTER they supported me multiple times, why the FUCK would they ever believe in me again??????
Seriously bro, you are coming up with some shitty points and making some pretty serious accusations about some bad ass quitters.
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i'm over the pissing match diesel...you don't have to support anyone in any way if you don't want to...i was told when i first started this site to stay involved, well i'm involved. Maybe i am too forgiving, maybe i shouldn't take this guy in my corner but i did, again you don't have to like it, but i would stick up for him just like i am going to stick up for russell, jake and the rest of august. And i'm accusing some of being assholes. If that is a serious accusation then so be it.
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i'm over the pissing match diesel...you don't have to support anyone in any way if you don't want to...i was told when i first started this site to stay involved, well i'm involved. Maybe i am too forgiving, maybe i shouldn't take this guy in my corner but i did, again you don't have to like it, but i would stick up for him just like i am going to stick up for russell, jake and the rest of august. And i'm accusing some of being assholes. If that is a serious accusation then so be it.
You questioned our quits and this rubbish accusing us of being on some kind of high horse saying we never lied, blah blah blah. Shit makes me steam.
Was never a pissing match.
Good for you for taking this guy in. Pretty ballsy for a guy 14 days quit.
Would love nothing more than to see him tell me to fuck off in his hof speech. Hopefully it will be legit.
Ill be watching....
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If it wasn't for diesel I wouldn't be where I am today. He's definitely on the list of brothers that helped save my life, so I will back him up to the grave.
The only sides are us against nic. that's it.
Jay you can support anyone you like, I can tell you have a good heart.
BUT remember your only as strong as the people surrounding you. Most of the people I communicate with are very strong. I don't waste time with weakness anymore. I have better things to do. I surround myself with people that have the same resolve as me.
Once (when I was young) I had a boss who was a complete fucking moron. One day his boss pulled me aside. He said he saw my frustration. I told him I had no respect for my boss,. and he told me. There are 2 kinds of people. Ones you want to watch and learn from, and ones you don't. Sometimes you can take bits and pieces from different people. I'll never forget that. I will always support someone because that's the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean I'll learn from them.
I'm just saying this is about YOUR quit, and no-one else's. I support all the quitters, failures all, but there are a few that I really learned from, and got me to where I am today (290). Just keep quitting your doing great..
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I understand that many of you will never accept me. I don't care. Those of you who understand that I am coming clean after all the crap I've done and giving me ANOTHER chance, thank you! I'm here for myself, but intend to prove that I'm a strong quitter.
As for the whole name change thing, I am sorry. What else do you want me to say. If you don't forgive me, then act like I'm dead. That's fine. Just help and support the people who deserve it.
As for those of you who don't think I've answered enough questions as to why this time will work, here is a brief explanation.
1) The reasons things didn't work before is because I was not completely honest with myself that I am a true addict. I thought I could have a beer after being quit for 20 days or so and could handle it. I know that is not the case. (This is just one example.) If you need anymore reasons, then see my posts over the last few days.
2) Things are different now because my life is more organized and scheduled, I accept that I'm a piece of shit addict that is no different than the bum on the corner begging for change to by some crack cocaine when it comes to chew, and I'm trying to atone for my transgressions. Also, I bought the fake chew for the first time and make sure that I have gum on me all of the time. I am not going to drink alcohol for the first 50 days in attempt to keep my mind as strong as possible.
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Yeah, right.. Whatever...
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My blood is on the verge of boiling at the disrespect of this site and everything it stands for. This site is my salvation from a life of slavery. This site has given me more time with my sons. This site helped me through some of the most difficult times of my life, without a crutch or the faintest desire to stuff death in my face.Â
Those of you that think you are "supporting" scott need to look in the mirror. You are NOT supporting, you are ENABLING him. Life is a harsh mistress, filled with all sorts of shitty situations and choices. The great thing is we all have the freedom to handle those situations how we see fit, and the freedom to make choices on how to conduct ourselves.Â
Scott chose to cave (shitty, but forgivable). He then chose to lie about it. You dont understand why so many are so upset? Start at the basics - Why we post roll. (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=120). You dont get to come into our sanctuary and shit on the floor then expect us to welcome you back.Â
Where is the accountability? There is nothing here if not for that. Can you honestly say you trust his word when he posts roll?Â
Sorry, but some things can be forgiven and trust rebuilt. Caving, for example. But putting your name down on the line and using is not one of them in my opinion. Scott clearly went to extremes to cover up his lie, then expects us to forget it because its "been a year." I may very well forget it scott, but I will never forgive. Your actions were/are disrespectful to everyone who has put in the blood sweat and tears to make this place what it is.Â
I do hope you quit and have a long, healthy, nicotine free life. I just cannot trust you to help my brothers and sisters do the same.
'clap'
Sometimes a cancer is untreatable and must be cut from the body for the body to survive!!!
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i know when i feel backed into a corner i'm going to come out swinging and probably with a can in my pocket...
Then you have learned very little in your time here so far.
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i know when i feel backed into a corner i'm going to come out swinging and probably with a can in my pocket...
Then you have learned very little in your time here so far.
wow you really misinterpreted that point. I was pointing out that most of the times in the past confrontation would lead me back to the can...especially feeling attacked. that is what i am trying to help avoid
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i know when i feel backed into a corner i'm going to come out swinging and probably with a can in my pocket...
Then you have learned very little in your time here so far.
wow you really misinterpreted that point. I was pointing out that most of the times in the past confrontation would lead me back to the can...especially feeling attacked. that is what i am trying to help avoid
Learn to choose your words wisely. Sometimes they speak in volumes just like your actions.
"Probably with a can" needs to be eliminated from your vocabulary.
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i know when i feel backed into a corner i'm going to come out swinging and probably with a can in my pocket...
Then you have learned very little in your time here so far.
wow you really misinterpreted that point. I was pointing out that most of the times in the past confrontation would lead me back to the can...especially feeling attacked. that is what i am trying to help avoid
Learn to choose your words wisely. Sometimes they speak in volumes just like your actions.
"Probably with a can" needs to be eliminated from your vocabulary.
thanks, will do...
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Not to keep pissing on the electric fence, but scotty-boy, i'd like you to answer this post i made in your group. you said that i was mischaracterizing the situation, implying that i was lying about shit just to get on your case. funny, i don't like being called a liar. tell me where i'm lying or twisting things:
scottmacek -- day 1 -- just posted in introductions if you want to know who I am.
you should certainly check out mr. macek's intro.
this is a caver.
who lied and posted roll 5 times over a span of two weeks WHILE USING TOBACCO. all after hitting the HOF.
disappeared from the site.
only to reappear, secretly using a new username.
only to cave again. disappear again.
and reappear again.
only to cave again. and disappear again.
he has now reappeared, yet again. what do you think is going to happen next with this serial caver, cheat, and liar.
fuck him. you don't want this guy in your group.
No, fuck you! I'm going to quit and will be strong. Stop trying to mischaracterize shit that happened in the past. I posted today that I have lied in the past, why I want to quit, why it is different now, etc. I came clean as can be! For some reason you have a hard on for me. Not quite sure why?
If you have a problem, then give me a call. I posted in every group I've been a part of. I've been willing to explain anything. What's your problem? You should want someone whose fucked up (just like a lot of people) and can prove that they can overcome shit.
Listen here, Scott. You're still not "coming clean." Saying that you lied in the past can mean anything... Like when you added that extra 2 inches in adult friend finder. You didn't just lie. You told THE lie... The one that can't be forgiven.
So, tell me where I am mischaracterizing things:
Did you cave on day 105?
Did you continue to post roll, adding days 107, 110, 112, 116, and 119?
Did you come back into Feb 11 as 'bayparkballer'?
Did you receive great support from the community?
Did you cave out of Feb 11?
Did you come back as 'bayparkballer' into March 12?
Did you tell everyone that you were Scott or were you outed?
Did you cave out of March 12?
Did you come back into May 12 as scottmacek?
Did you cave out of May 12?
Have you been in and caved out of 4 quit groups in the last 2 years? Have you lied on roll call? Have you used a different username for a "clean start?"
Tell me where I am wrong. Tell me why ANYONE should believe you. Tell me again where you told the whole story of your time here in your noble attempt at being honest.
As much as you might want me to want you, I only have a hard on here for fucking liars that erode the foundation of the community that saved my life. You are not worthy of gracing this board. Go away. Go to lite.
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To overtly lie about your day count cheapens what the rest of us do on a daily basis. I hate that I have to read about this bullshit while I still struggle almost daily with my addiction. The fact this can be tolerated and welcomed back into a quit group shakes the foundation of what this site is built on, Keep Your Word, One Day at a time, Repeat. I echo the sentiments that I hope Scott is able to find a way to quit that works for him, it just needs to be elsewhere.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked upÂ…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his assÂ…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyesÂ…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
Thanks for clarifying the issues here catty...
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.”
¯ Elie Wiesel
Yes, I have a big ego, because I do give a damn...
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked upÂ…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his assÂ…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyesÂ…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
I got a chuckle out of this...i don't know if what was meant to be funny, but i'm loopy craving right now and that made me laugh...
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked upÂ…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his assÂ…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyesÂ…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
jay,
don't ever accept caving. always hold the caver accountable. if that means calling him a cocksucker, then do that. if you prefer making him answer the three questions, then do that. what you shouldn't do is come in here and call folks a buncha meanies. ol' macek caved. and lied. direct your efforts to holding him accountable. keeping his word is apparently busting his ass, so he needs all the help he can get and many folks, understandably, have little interest in helping a liar.
swap numbers with macek and y'all hold each other accountable.
Here's the problem...you are an addict right? And a human being right? I don't know you and you don't know me...correct? You and and or anyone else have no idea what he was going through in his life when he slipped up right? I don't know if scott is a "cocksucker" or not. I don't know if you are or not...i do know that i'm not going to stand by and let a bunch of blow hards run a guy down who came back, admitted his mistakes and is trying to better himself.
I've only been on this site for 14 days as my intro suggests, however I do think that what makes forums like this work or not work is a general level of respect you show to the fellow posters. If one out of 14000 can get some people SOOOO pissed off that they are trying to push him off the cliff instead of pulling him back then i feel like those are so weak minded that i would question their quits as well. I'm off this thread though...and again, diesel, and all those that ripped this guy apart...stay clear of me please. I don't need your kind of help.
oh but you will not only need their help.... you will want it someday I promise you that. one day you will see young one that what seems like harshness my just be saving a life. you cant see the forest because of the trees my young quit brother.
no trust me cdaniels...i have plenty of numbers i can call and people to lean on in my bad times, i won't forget all this bs.
I don't think you get it quite yet. His former group members aren't just angry with him for caving.
They are angry because he's a serial liar. Trust and accountability are the core tenets of this site. He broke those and broke them bad.
Cavers come back all the time, take a few lumps and integrate back in. But posting roll while dipping and creating a new username are pretty serious offenses and show a complete lack of integrity and character.
This is why others are raking this guy over the coals and telling to to take to lite. Sometime it's best to cut your losses.
Jay your quit is young and you're confused. This is normal. You're still releasing frustration. This is normal. What you fail to see is these guys are trying to save this mans life. This isn't a fucking game, the elders know this. One of my bro's on here had his fucking tongue cut open while his wife sat in the next room. Then he had to wait to see if he had cancer have more time with his family. I'll repeat it, this isn't a fucking game. 14 day's quit? Awesome, but don't judge the elders, they know what they're doing, and once your quit get's stronger it'll make more sense. Focus all that energy on your own quit... go exercise or something..
He broke the singular element that makes this site work, and that is honesty when posting roll. People cave due to momentary weakness and / or stupidity and while they are usually given hell for it (because people care), they are ultimately forgiven. People understand the mistakes, the pitfalls, the pure addiction that we share and people are forgiven.
What he did was not a mistake, not a momentary weakness, nothing of the sort. He posting roll for some time while dipping. He shit all over the one thing we have on this site and that is trust and integrity in the roll call system.
Forgive if you want. I hope he quits for real this time also. I would love to know why he found it "ok" and necessary to lie on roll call though.
I'm with Sleestack, and Seth on this one. I totally get that sometimes caving happens - read my HOF speech about a couple times I caved (prior to finding KTC) - But this is NOT about caving. Its about lying. Posting roll - promising not to dip - while you're dipping!
Lets face it - this is the internet, and I could be sucking on a cope fatty right now and none of you would know. So how does this work?
HONESTY!
If you dont have honesty/integrity, then this site is not for you. There's no way it can work for you. Why do you even want to be here if you posted roll with a fkn DIP in your mouth???? Do you think there's a cash prize at the end, therefore you want to lie to make sure you get the prize? There is no prize at the end - the reward here is that you are quit, and thats it! Why lie about posting roll??? I just dont get it.
I won't leave KTC if he's allowed to stay, just because my own quit depends greatly on this site, and I'm not willing to give that up over one liar. But I will certainly lose alot of respect for the administrators of the site.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
Can we get a hug circle up in this mug... Ill bring the guitar.
Seriously Scott, bro dude you made some mistakes that you should humbly own up to. Throw yourself at the mercy of the KTC court and they might let you stay.
Let go of your pride and understand that what you did is viewed here as wrong and a lot of people have a problem with it.
I would crawl in here and beg for forgiveness. Sometimes a man has to do that in life. It's part of being a man.
I'm sure forgiveness will come a lot easier if you do that.
No one will think any less of you than they already do.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked upÂ…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his assÂ…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyesÂ…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
'Popcorn' While all the drama has been entertaining, there are still some central issues here that haven't been addressed.
Are all addict transgressions forgivable? We've heard from several vets that caving is forgivable, lying/using while posting seems like it may not be (is not to me). What makes KTC unique and successful is the opportunity of building peer and self accountability. As soon as I can't trust what is on roll, its value to me goes away.
I hope Scott figures out how to be a serious quitter, but history suggests while he seems to have a desire to quit, he simply can't go all in for himself. I hope this time is different, but doubt a lot of us from his previous quit groups will be doing a lot of support for him.
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that come back was in style in the 80's...
So Jayd...
Since we are on a roll here, and since you are such an experienced badass...
What was wrong with the 80s that you think today is so good in comparison?
I lived through both.. Was probably your age back then..
What have you got to point to today? Justin Beiber (or Bieber or however you spell it)?
'Popcorn'
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
'Popcorn' While all the drama has been entertaining, there are still some central issues here that haven't been addressed.
Are all addict transgressions forgivable? We've heard from several vets that caving is forgivable, lying/using while posting seems like it may not be (is not to me). What makes KTC unique and successful is the opportunity of building peer and self accountability. As soon as I can't trust what is on roll, its value to me goes away.
I hope Scott figures out how to be a serious quitter, but history suggests while he seems to have a desire to quit, he simply can't go all in for himself. I hope this time is different, but doubt a lot of us from his previous quit groups will be doing a lot of support for him.
So what is to be done about it?
I believe that is the question.
Mods are gonna have to make a decision.
Once that's done, all this will go away.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
Can we get a hug circle up in this mug... Ill bring the guitar.
Seriously Scott, bro dude you made some mistakes that you should humbly own up to. Throw yourself at the mercy of the KTC court and they might let you stay.
Let go of your pride and understand that what you did is viewed here as wrong and a lot of people have a problem with it.
I would crawl in here and beg for forgiveness. Sometimes a man has to do that in life. It's part of being a man.
I'm sure forgiveness will come a lot easier if you do that.
No one will think any less of you than they already do.
Forgiveness may be granted, but there still need to be consequences...
The integrity of this site requires that.
This isn't the only place to quit.. Being sent to "Lite" is not like being exiled to some remote uninhabited island..
It is basically saying:
"Go where you can quit the way you want to quit".. They will take you with open arms.. They will give you a pep talk and tell you to try again.
KTC isn't for everyone.. Or all of them over there at Lite would be here..
And by the way Polish Workhorse.. If you want group hugs and guitars singing Kumbaya, then Lite is where you will find that.
Here, we try to get rid of the facade of "trying"..
Do or do not, there is no try. Pretty good quote by a REALLLY old little green dude.. (even though he wasn't real)
Maybe you young bucks and newbies should shut up a bit, and understand this site a bit before you come across as such bad asses...
Romandog - Day 765
I'm quit.. Who are you again?
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
Been watching this thread as well for a day and think, WTF IS THIS about? \
I am 15 days + 1hr, and 20 minutes into my quit.
I am a 54 old man, been around the block for quite a while.
What I see in this thread is the statements of a bunch of self anointed divas and insecure man babies.
In AA we call ya'll 2 steppers. Look it up.
if the ranting anger is what you people call recovery, Good luck in your quit, cause that is ALL you have. IF your QUIT IS based on FEAR and Anger, then Good Luck.
ya'll give one little ol' slipper this much power over YOUR QUIT, then YOUR QUIT is pretty fucking shallow. Seems there are a lot of people who are consumed by the actions this one fucking pigeon, you've given him a lot of time. IF you base YOUR recovery on the actions of one person, you are not going to survive. Resenting this guy which some of you do it going to bleed you and make you crave like a fucking big dog.
Some of ya'll may be quit today, some of you may be 100 days or beyond, your collective anger IS a problem for the "group", terrorizing one sorry arsed remorse filled addict, and brow beating this poor sot into a state of mush. Ya'll need to be proud of yourselves.
I DON'T want some of you self important pricks have. If your QUIT is based on fear and anger then your lives have to be pretty fucking hollow.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
Been watching this thread as well for a day and think, WTF IS THIS about? \
I am 15 days + 1hr, and 20 minutes into my quit.
I am a 54 old man, been around the block for quite a while.
What I see in this thread is the statements of a bunch of self anointed divas and insecure man babies.
In AA we call ya'll 2 steppers. Look it up.
if the ranting anger is what you people call recovery, Good luck in your quit, cause that is ALL you have. IF your QUIT IS based on FEAR and Anger, then Good Luck.
ya'll give one little ol' slipper this much power over YOUR QUIT, then YOUR QUIT is pretty fucking shallow. Seems there are a lot of people who are consumed by the actions this one fucking pigeon, you've given him a lot of time. IF you base YOUR recovery on the actions of one person, you are not going to survive. Resenting this guy which some of you do it going to bleed you and make you crave like a fucking big dog.
Some of ya'll may be quit today, some of you may be 100 days or beyond, your collective anger IS a problem for the "group", terrorizing one sorry arsed remorse filled addict, and brow beating this poor sot into a state of mush. Ya'll need to be proud of yourselves.
I DON'T want some of you self important pricks have. If your QUIT is based on fear and anger then your lives have to be pretty fucking hollow.
Sent you a PM.. Call me.. I will explain it to you...
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Been watching this thread as well for a day and think, WTF IS THIS about?
I am 15 days + 1hr, and 20 minutes into my quit.
I am a 54 old man, been around the block for quite a while.
What I see in this thread is the statements of a bunch of self anointed divas and insecure man babies.Â
In AA we call ya'll 2 steppers. Look it up.
if the ranting anger is what you people call recovery, Good luck in your quit, cause that is ALL you have. IF your QUIT IS based on FEAR and Anger, then Good Luck.
ya'll give one little ol' slipper this much power over YOUR QUIT, then YOUR QUIT is pretty fucking shallow. Seems there are a lot of people who are consumed by the actions this one fucking pigeon, you've given him a lot of time. IF you base YOUR recovery on the actions of one person, you are not going to survive. Resenting this guy which some of you do it going to bleed you and make you crave like a fucking big dog.
Some of ya'll may be quit today, some of you may be 100 days or beyond, your collective anger IS a problem for the "group", terrorizing one sorry arsed remorse filled addict, and brow beating this poor sot into a state of mush. Ya'll need to be proud of yourselves.
I DON'T want some of you self important pricks have. If your QUIT is based on fear and anger then your lives have to be pretty fucking hollow.
i have had enough of the AA bullshite this ain't AA!
this site works on your word as a man and Scott has violated that at least twice! As far as i am concerned he should be gone....let him lie somewhere else!
Please understand i have nothing against AA but their methods are different from here, stop trying to teach us about how "quitting is done....." KTC's methods work just fine the way they are thank you very much!
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
Can we get a hug circle up in this mug... Ill bring the guitar.
Seriously Scott, bro dude you made some mistakes that you should humbly own up to. Throw yourself at the mercy of the KTC court and they might let you stay.
Let go of your pride and understand that what you did is viewed here as wrong and a lot of people have a problem with it.
I would crawl in here and beg for forgiveness. Sometimes a man has to do that in life. It's part of being a man.
I'm sure forgiveness will come a lot easier if you do that.
No one will think any less of you than they already do.
Forgiveness may be granted, but there still need to be consequences...
The integrity of this site requires that.
This isn't the only place to quit.. Being sent to "Lite" is not like being exiled to some remote uninhabited island..
It is basically saying:
"Go where you can quit the way you want to quit".. They will take you with open arms.. They will give you a pep talk and tell you to try again.
KTC isn't for everyone.. Or all of them over there at Lite would be here..
And by the way Polish Workhorse.. If you want group hugs and guitars singing Kumbaya, then Lite is where you will find that.
Here, we try to get rid of the facade of "trying"..
Do or do not, there is no try. Pretty good quote by a REALLLY old little green dude.. (even though he wasn't real)
Maybe you young bucks and newbies should shut up a bit, and understand this site a bit before you come across as such bad asses...
Romandog - Day 765
I'm quit.. Who are you again?
Hey Romandog,
I meant no disrespect. I was simply making a joke, (evidently ill placed and/or ill timed) attempting to lighten up the situation in here.
I have nothing but absolute respect for this site and completely agree with the no slack, "hard core" attitude here.
I am an addict like everyone else and I appreciate this site completely.
What frustrates me is the fact that a decision needs to be made with this guy and no one is stepping up. Who has the authority to decide whether one stays or goes here?
As I said in my previous post, the authority figurehead or heads, need to make a decision, execute that decision, and we can all get on with our quit.
This site needs to shift focus back on our quit and not focusing on one person and his mistakes, no matter how much he offended someone.
The authority figures here need to make a decision so we can all move on and stop whining like a bunch of 4 year olds.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
Can we get a hug circle up in this mug... Ill bring the guitar.
Seriously Scott, bro dude you made some mistakes that you should humbly own up to. Throw yourself at the mercy of the KTC court and they might let you stay.
Let go of your pride and understand that what you did is viewed here as wrong and a lot of people have a problem with it.
I would crawl in here and beg for forgiveness. Sometimes a man has to do that in life. It's part of being a man.
I'm sure forgiveness will come a lot easier if you do that.
No one will think any less of you than they already do.
Forgiveness may be granted, but there still need to be consequences...
The integrity of this site requires that.
This isn't the only place to quit.. Being sent to "Lite" is not like being exiled to some remote uninhabited island..
It is basically saying:
"Go where you can quit the way you want to quit".. They will take you with open arms.. They will give you a pep talk and tell you to try again.
KTC isn't for everyone.. Or all of them over there at Lite would be here..
And by the way Polish Workhorse.. If you want group hugs and guitars singing Kumbaya, then Lite is where you will find that.
Here, we try to get rid of the facade of "trying"..
Do or do not, there is no try. Pretty good quote by a REALLLY old little green dude.. (even though he wasn't real)
Maybe you young bucks and newbies should shut up a bit, and understand this site a bit before you come across as such bad asses...
Romandog - Day 765
I'm quit.. Who are you again?
Hey Romandog,
I meant no disrespect. I was simply making a joke, (evidently ill placed and/or ill timed) attempting to lighten up the situation in here.
I have nothing but absolute respect for this site and completely agree with the no slack, "hard core" attitude here.
I am an addict like everyone else and I appreciate this site completely.
What frustrates me is the fact that a decision needs to be made with this guy and no one is stepping up. Who has the authority to decide whether one stays or goes here?
As I said in my previous post, the authority figurehead or heads, need to make a decision, execute that decision, and we can all get on with our quit.
This site needs to shift focus back on our quit and not focusing on one person and his mistakes, no matter how much he offended someone.
The authority figures here need to make a decision so we can all move on and stop whining like a bunch of 4 year olds.
I am confident that the Admins are looking this all over and will come to a decision, if it doesn't resolve itself first.
I do appreciate the fact that they allow us to "police ourselves" as much as possible..
Thanks..
Romandog
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand". Â
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isn’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? That’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
If you have noticed the title under Wastepanel's avatar, you will note that it describes him as a Moderator . Seems to me that all the shit talking about having moderators decide this issue is moot. What do you think? Should we continue to beat this dead horse or move on to quitting? Or do you think we should petition KTC to have Wastepanel removed for not agreeing to ban Scott? Hard ass questions, but its a damned hard ass life. Love you Buttercups!
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand". Â
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isn’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? That’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
If you have noticed the title under Wastepanel's avatar, you will note that it describes him as a Moderator . Seems to me that all the shit talking about having moderators decide this issue is moot. What do you think? Should we continue to beat this dead horse or move on to quitting? Or do you think we should petition KTC to have Wastepanel removed for not agreeing to ban Scott? Hard ass questions, but its a damned hard ass life. Love you Buttercups!
Don't believe mods can ban people.. Think only Admins can..
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Sounds to me like the issue may have already been decided.....
scottmacek - day 3 - no chew for me today
LOOT hopes Day 3 kicks you in the teeth, lest you forget. Again.
No more lies fuckstick.
....but Scotty is on a very tight leash. Then again, I've been accused of speaking out of turn and brown nosing ADMIN in the past so by all means....question my judgment.
On a side note.....too soon for a narrative?
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand". Â
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isn’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? That’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
If you have noticed the title under Wastepanel's avatar, you will note that it describes him as a Moderator . Seems to me that all the shit talking about having moderators decide this issue is moot. What do you think? Should we continue to beat this dead horse or move on to quitting? Or do you think we should petition KTC to have Wastepanel removed for not agreeing to ban Scott? Hard ass questions, but its a damned hard ass life. Love you Buttercups!
Don't believe mods can ban people.. Think only Admins can..
Sometimes the best lessons are learned when the class teaches itself........
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Here at the KTC, we do forgive past mistakes.
Trust me. I should be at 2450 today. However, I made the mistake of drifting away from the program early in my "quit" so it became a stoppage instead. I came back with many of the same reservations and insecurities as people like Scott have.
However, and I have heard this from many people, I "owned up and moved on" from my past. I used my past mistakes to drive my new quit. I knew that I hadn't made connections with anybody the first time around and I changed that. I propped up my brothers, and they, in turn, propped me up. Hell, I ran my first marathon yesterday and the first person I wanted to call was my brother Eafman. I knew that not soiling nicotine's name daily meant that I was on a slippery slope back to "not using" instead of being quit so I have posted everyday since I returned. I have stayed active on the boards, and have tried to help as many people be free of nicotine as I physically can. That, in turn, makes me stronger.
I've heard many people, on the other hand, say that I get a "free pass" to my mistakes. I've been told that I talk a lot of shit for somebody that is a proven failure and that I shouldn't be so hard on people because I "should understand". Â
Ultimately, I don't give a flying fuck what is thought of my past. This quit is about me. It's how I view my actions. In "Rocky Balboa", Rocky tells his son that "It isn’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much can you take and keep moving forward? That’s how winning is done."
Scott is not going to fail or succeed because of what we say to him.
He will fail or succeed because of what he does.
He has chosen failure 4 times with this program. He has lied twice. This is a big problem, and something that I hope he can overcome this time. (I say hope because I can't do a damn thing to control his actions.) If he wants to assure that he will not follow that same course again, he better face what he was and has done in the past. Running from his past will not help. Ignoring it is the same as running from it.
We move forward because we want to.
Scott, if you're quit, be quit. Everybody here will help you. But don't waste our time or expect this place to be a magic elixir. This quit is you, and until you realize that, you are destined to fail. Make a plan, and don't let yourself fall into complacency or lie to yourself that nicotine makes the world better. If that was the case, why have you attempted to quit so often? How did you feel upon failing? Upon realizing what you gave up? Take those feelings and utilize them. Write them down and reread them every morning if you have to. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY QUIT.
Learn from your past.
Quit for today.
Forget the future.
YOU can do this.
If you have noticed the title under Wastepanel's avatar, you will note that it describes him as a Moderator . Seems to me that all the shit talking about having moderators decide this issue is moot. What do you think? Should we continue to beat this dead horse or move on to quitting? Or do you think we should petition KTC to have Wastepanel removed for not agreeing to ban Scott? Hard ass questions, but its a damned hard ass life. Love you Buttercups!
Wastepanel isn't the only mod. Whatever they decide to do or not do, they will decide to do or not do as a group. All the mods are volunteers and have other things going on in their lives, so decisions probably aren't going to happen in anything near real time.
And nebraskadad, I'm curious as to what part of my posts in this thread suggest that my quit is based on fear and anger? My quit is based on camaradarie and paying it forward, and I would bet that if you asked around, people would support that assertion. I am NOT the guy that gets riled up about things very often.
Put another way, how would you feel if someone came into an AA meeting reeking of booze and slurring their words and stood up and said "Hi, I'm (name) and I'm an alcoholic. I've been sober for 105 days."
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Sounds to me like the issue may have already been decided.....
scottmacek - day 3 - no chew for me today
LOOT hopes Day 3 kicks you in the teeth, lest you forget. Again.
No more lies fuckstick.
....but Scotty is on a very tight leash. Then again, I've been accused of speaking out of turn and brown nosing ADMIN in the past so by all means....question my judgment.
On a side note.....too soon for a narrative?
Absolutely not!
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Sounds to me like the issue may have already been decided.....
scottmacek - day 3 - no chew for me today
LOOT hopes Day 3 kicks you in the teeth, lest you forget. Again.
No more lies fuckstick.
....but Scotty is on a very tight leash. Then again, I've been accused of speaking out of turn and brown nosing ADMIN in the past so by all means....question my judgment.
On a side note.....too soon for a narrative?
Absolutely not!
Please bring your sage narrative Coach. Thank God for KTC.!
:D
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
This site needs a like button! :D
Can we get a hug circle up in this mug... Ill bring the guitar.
Seriously Scott, bro dude you made some mistakes that you should humbly own up to. Throw yourself at the mercy of the KTC court and they might let you stay.
Let go of your pride and understand that what you did is viewed here as wrong and a lot of people have a problem with it.
I would crawl in here and beg for forgiveness. Sometimes a man has to do that in life. It's part of being a man.
I'm sure forgiveness will come a lot easier if you do that.
No one will think any less of you than they already do.
Forgiveness may be granted, but there still need to be consequences...
The integrity of this site requires that.
This isn't the only place to quit.. Being sent to "Lite" is not like being exiled to some remote uninhabited island..
It is basically saying:
"Go where you can quit the way you want to quit".. They will take you with open arms.. They will give you a pep talk and tell you to try again.
KTC isn't for everyone.. Or all of them over there at Lite would be here..
And by the way Polish Workhorse.. If you want group hugs and guitars singing Kumbaya, then Lite is where you will find that.
Here, we try to get rid of the facade of "trying"..
Do or do not, there is no try. Pretty good quote by a REALLLY old little green dude.. (even though he wasn't real)
Maybe you young bucks and newbies should shut up a bit, and understand this site a bit before you come across as such bad asses...
Romandog - Day 765
I'm quit.. Who are you again?
Hey Romandog,
I meant no disrespect. I was simply making a joke, (evidently ill placed and/or ill timed) attempting to lighten up the situation in here.
I have nothing but absolute respect for this site and completely agree with the no slack, "hard core" attitude here.
I am an addict like everyone else and I appreciate this site completely.
What frustrates me is the fact that a decision needs to be made with this guy and no one is stepping up. Who has the authority to decide whether one stays or goes here?
As I said in my previous post, the authority figurehead or heads, need to make a decision, execute that decision, and we can all get on with our quit.
This site needs to shift focus back on our quit and not focusing on one person and his mistakes, no matter how much he offended someone.
The authority figures here need to make a decision so we can all move on and stop whining like a bunch of 4 year olds.
I am confident that the Admins are looking this all over and will come to a decision, if it doesn't resolve itself first.
I do appreciate the fact that they allow us to "police ourselves" as much as possible..
Thanks..
Romandog
I have been kind of slammed at work and have missed much of this, but wmcatty . . . 'clap'
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When I joined this site I had the utmost respect for "the vets". When they said anything I listened and actually sought out things they had written and would re-read them. Any time they commented on anyone's intro I got excited to read what they had to say. I looked up to them , almost idolized them.
Nowadays a noob will come in and tell a vet to fuck off. Not talking about me either, as I'm just shy of a year quit so by no means am I a vet. The lack of respect for those who built this place is unreal and a little shameful to me.
Guys 2 weeks quit jumping bad like they know the playbook already, or like this is gonna be easy, or that the actions of one does not affect others.
I suppose this is a microcosm of society nowadays. The younger generation doesn't respect shit. I'm not even that old either (39 in a couple weeks) but the overall lack of respect I see on here is disturbing.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
Been watching this thread as well for a day and think, WTF IS THIS about? \
I am 15 days + 1hr, and 20 minutes into my quit.
I am a 54 old man, been around the block for quite a while.
What I see in this thread is the statements of a bunch of self anointed divas and insecure man babies.
In AA we call ya'll 2 steppers. Look it up.
if the ranting anger is what you people call recovery, Good luck in your quit, cause that is ALL you have. IF your QUIT IS based on FEAR and Anger, then Good Luck.
ya'll give one little ol' slipper this much power over YOUR QUIT, then YOUR QUIT is pretty fucking shallow. Seems there are a lot of people who are consumed by the actions this one fucking pigeon, you've given him a lot of time. IF you base YOUR recovery on the actions of one person, you are not going to survive. Resenting this guy which some of you do it going to bleed you and make you crave like a fucking big dog.
Some of ya'll may be quit today, some of you may be 100 days or beyond, your collective anger IS a problem for the "group", terrorizing one sorry arsed remorse filled addict, and brow beating this poor sot into a state of mush. Ya'll need to be proud of yourselves.
I DON'T want some of you self important pricks have. If your QUIT is based on fear and anger then your lives have to be pretty fucking hollow.
I do not think you will find too many quits based on fear or anger in here. What you will find are some people who do not condone or forgive the actions of someone willing to display utter disdain and contempt for the integrity of this site. Stay longer than 15 days and you will see cavers returned to the fold with little more than an appeal to answer a few simple questions. Maybe some grief, especially from ones who have been personally invested in their quit, but they will be forgiven if they are honest and want to be quit.
How people can fail to see the seriousness of what he has done is beyond me. Maybe some of you are still foggy? Scott does not weaken my quit, he made a mockery of this site and a fool of himself in doing so. I am not angry, not afraid, and also not willing to accept his word. In the end that is for his group to decide anyway. If they want to invest in his quit, more power to them and him. I think he should have a forced asterisk next to every roll call post. You know, because he felt like it was OK to post roll with a dip in while his group was legitimately struggling with their addiction.
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked up…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his ass…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyes…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This has to be by far one of the best posts IÂ’ve seen on KTC! Nice work Catty!
Been watching this thread as well for a day and think, WTF IS THIS about? \
I am 15 days + 1hr, and 20 minutes into my quit.
I am a 54 old man, been around the block for quite a while.
What I see in this thread is the statements of a bunch of self anointed divas and insecure man babies.
In AA we call ya'll 2 steppers. Look it up.
if the ranting anger is what you people call recovery, Good luck in your quit, cause that is ALL you have. IF your QUIT IS based on FEAR and Anger, then Good Luck.
ya'll give one little ol' slipper this much power over YOUR QUIT, then YOUR QUIT is pretty fucking shallow. Seems there are a lot of people who are consumed by the actions this one fucking pigeon, you've given him a lot of time. IF you base YOUR recovery on the actions of one person, you are not going to survive. Resenting this guy which some of you do it going to bleed you and make you crave like a fucking big dog.
Some of ya'll may be quit today, some of you may be 100 days or beyond, your collective anger IS a problem for the "group", terrorizing one sorry arsed remorse filled addict, and brow beating this poor sot into a state of mush. Ya'll need to be proud of yourselves.
I DON'T want some of you self important pricks have. If your QUIT is based on fear and anger then your lives have to be pretty fucking hollow.
I do not think you will find too many quits based on fear or anger in here. What you will find are some people who do not condone or forgive the actions of someone willing to display utter disdain and contempt for the integrity of this site. Stay longer than 15 days and you will see cavers returned to the fold with little more than an appeal to answer a few simple questions. Maybe some grief, especially from ones who have been personally invested in their quit, but they will be forgiven if they are honest and want to be quit.
How people can fail to see the seriousness of what he has done is beyond me. Maybe some of you are still foggy? Scott does not weaken my quit, he made a mockery of this site and a fool of himself in doing so. I am not angry, not afraid, and also not willing to accept his word. In the end that is for his group to decide anyway. If they want to invest in his quit, more power to them and him. I think he should have a forced asterisk next to every roll call post. You know, because he felt like it was OK to post roll with a dip in while his group was legitimately struggling with their addiction.
Couldn't agree more sleestak. A lot of nerve to tell us "anoited divas and man nannies"why we are quitting. Also, this isn't fucking AA. This is KTC.ORG.
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
Fuck of eh? LOL. OH NO, That hurt my feelings. I might leave this site now, because I'm a little pussy.
MAN THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, yeah dick weed, the comeback was in the style of the 80's in response to your reference of "real nice Clark..." which I believe was a a movie from the 80's correct??? National Lampoons Family Vacation??? Moron.
Dick weed? Moron? Sounds like you got as much respect as you gave...just sayin.
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All this bull shit needs to stop one way or another..... I can see no possible good out come here, for no one. This shit is going to keep up until it no longer is what it was. So everyone please just STOP.
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some thoughts:
1. if you look to the top left of the page, right under "Kill the Can" there's a little link called Board Guidelines. Click on it and you'll find:
2) Multiple aliases will not be tolerated. Violators will be banned immediately
not sure why scotty wasn't banned in the first place, and frankly i don't care.
2. interesting observation, diesel (about newbs having shit all figured out and lecturing vets)... i had the same thought. hell, i still feel like i don't have this quitting thing down perfectly and need the collective help of KTC. i've always looked to the "real" vets for guidance and wisdom, and i don't see that changing. it strikes me as ironic that a old timer of 54 with AA experience and 15 days of nicotine quitting is telling me how to quit tobacco and that my 737 day quit is somehow more shallow than his.
3. if you guys want to love and support scotty, go right ahead. knock yourselves out. i couldn't care less. if the admin team wants him around, whatever. not that i've been all that active in groups other than mine lately, but i will not be supporting or reading August 13. i don't care to have scotty involved in my quit in any way shape or form.
4. while i will no longer be participating in scotty's clusterfuck stoppage of august 13, i do support KTC, and frankly i feel a little responsible for the state of things. i haven't been around and really have no right to bitch about how these newbs are being educated. i'm 1000% sure there are some sweet, rock-solid quitters that would make chewie proud, but damn, i'm really surprised at the coddling, the enabling, and the all around soft nature of things in here. there is a place for a firm line in the sand, for hard truths, and for harsh words.
5. i've seen guys cave after 100 days. i've seen guys cave after a year. i've seen guys with a comma come back and post a day 1. the second that you start thinking that you have this thing under control and figured out is the very second that you start forgetting. the second you start forgetting is the second you start allowing the nic bitch to reel you in. always be vigilant. burn your boats. never again, not for any reason. pride cometh before the fall, and pride cometh before every cave.
i'm out of here. pm me if you want to chat. i'm headed back to the monastery of August 11.
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that come back was in style in the 80's...
So Jayd...
Since we are on a roll here, and since you are such an experienced badass...
What was wrong with the 80s that you think today is so good in comparison?
I lived through both.. Was probably your age back then..
What have you got to point to today? Justin Beiber (or Bieber or however you spell it)?
'Popcorn'
Yeah i am a bit younger....31...but i have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Do you want to know what music i listen too? do you want to know my heros?
Ok, johnny cash, george jones, willie nelson, jamey johnson. Won't let my daughter listen to bieber...
don't think ive ever claimed to be an experienced badass...i think i'm a little more experienced in showing compassion then some...
and what was wrong with the 80's....besides hair bands and crack cocain nothing man....that was the decade i was born so no complaints...
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that come back was in style in the 80's...
So Jayd...
Since we are on a roll here, and since you are such an experienced badass...
What was wrong with the 80s that you think today is so good in comparison?
I lived through both.. Was probably your age back then..
What have you got to point to today? Justin Beiber (or Bieber or however you spell it)?
'Popcorn'
Yeah i am a bit younger....31...but i have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Do you want to know what music i listen too? do you want to know my heros?
Ok, johnny cash, george jones, willie nelson, jamey johnson. Won't let my daughter listen to bieber...
don't think ive ever claimed to be an experienced badass...i think i'm a little more experienced in showing compassion then some...
and what was wrong with the 80's....besides hair bands and crack cocain nothing man....that was the decade i was born so no complaints...
Oh good. We're on band likes.
I spent most of my day listening to dead Kennedys and social distortion at work, but I'm all over the place on my music tastes. Fucking loved metal and was just telling my sister how I met korn years ago at lallapalooza and got punched in the nose (while on MTV news). Met guys from slipknot and anthrax last summer when we snuck backstage at a concert. Traveled 6 hours to see thrice in Chicago last year as well and ended up hanging out with singer at a bar.
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All this bull shit needs to stop one way or another..... I can see no possible good out come here, for no one. This shit is going to keep up until it no longer is what it was. So everyone please just STOP.
Thank you! We all need to get off this thread. We are allies, here for the same reason. And I am watching this issue turn good people against each other. The back and forth name calling is bullshit. No one is gonna change any ones mind. Im still a new guy and no one cares what I think, But I spend ALOT of time reading all of your guys posts and threads. And I see positivity and support everywhere except this post. Lets get back to that! Some of us will support Scott and some wont. Lets not let that issue divide us and make us lose focus on our purpose for being here. We are all quit today! And God willing we will ALL post roll tomorrow!
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I'm quit with my group...that includes scott...yeah the support i got was great...mainly from russell and a handful of others...i'm good with them...but most of them are either staying away from this topic because it doesn't concern them or supporting this young man. Those are the people i'm here for...diesel you sound like a bitter woman who has been cheated on....so blow it out YOUR ass....and by the way, that come back was in style in the 80's....so really FUCK OFF
Fuck of eh? LOL. OH NO, That hurt my feelings. I might leave this site now, because I'm a little pussy.
MAN THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, yeah dick weed, the comeback was in the style of the 80's in response to your reference of "real nice Clark..." which I believe was a a movie from the 80's correct??? National Lampoons Family Vacation??? Moron.
Dick weed? Moron? Sounds like you got as much respect as you gave...just sayin.
Yeah. Someone tells me to fuck off...Im not the type to hold my tongue. Sorry.
This after him calling vets out for not supporting Scotty. This directly ties into lack of respect for the vets.
Thanks for proving my point..
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All this bull shit needs to stop one way or another..... I can see no possible good out come here, for no one. This shit is going to keep up until it no longer is what it was. So everyone please just STOP.
Thank you! We all need to get off this thread. We are allies, here for the same reason. And I am watching this issue turn good people against each other. The back and forth name calling is bullshit. No one is gonna change any ones mind. Im still a new guy and no one cares what I think, But I spend ALOT of time reading all of your guys posts and threads. And I see positivity and support everywhere except this post. Lets get back to that! Some of us will support Scott and some wont. Lets not let that issue divide us and make us lose focus on our purpose for being here. We are all quit today! And God willing we will ALL post roll tomorrow!
Sorry. I'm "that guy" who likes to get the last word in. I'm off this thread as I believe the law of diminishing returns is setting in. Unless someone calls me an asshole or something. Then ill probably have to say something. LOL.
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All this bull shit needs to stop one way or another..... I can see no possible good out come here, for no one. This shit is going to keep up until it no longer is what it was. So everyone please just STOP.
Thank you! We all need to get off this thread. We are allies, here for the same reason. And I am watching this issue turn good people against each other. The back and forth name calling is bullshit. No one is gonna change any ones mind. Im still a new guy and no one cares what I think, But I spend ALOT of time reading all of your guys posts and threads. And I see positivity and support everywhere except this post. Lets get back to that! Some of us will support Scott and some wont. Lets not let that issue divide us and make us lose focus on our purpose for being here. We are all quit today! And God willing we will ALL post roll tomorrow!
Sorry. I'm "that guy" who likes to get the last word in. I'm off this thread as I believe the law of diminishing returns is setting in. Unless someone calls me an asshole or something. Then ill probably have to say something. LOL.
Whats the law of diminishing returns?
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All this bull shit needs to stop one way or another..... I can see no possible good out come here, for no one. This shit is going to keep up until it no longer is what it was. So everyone please just STOP.
Thank you! We all need to get off this thread. We are allies, here for the same reason. And I am watching this issue turn good people against each other. The back and forth name calling is bullshit. No one is gonna change any ones mind. Im still a new guy and no one cares what I think, But I spend ALOT of time reading all of your guys posts and threads. And I see positivity and support everywhere except this post. Lets get back to that! Some of us will support Scott and some wont. Lets not let that issue divide us and make us lose focus on our purpose for being here. We are all quit today! And God willing we will ALL post roll tomorrow!
Sorry. I'm "that guy" who likes to get the last word in. I'm off this thread as I believe the law of diminishing returns is setting in. Unless someone calls me an asshole or something. Then ill probably have to say something. LOL.
Whats the law of diminishing returns?
Never mind I googled it... lol... your right
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There is a point to all of this, actually...
Where I was going with this was that there are certain methods that work here on this site..
We are all addicts.
Addicts lie to cover their addiction.. We lie to others, but more importantly we lie to ourselves..
Harsh methods are sometimes required to pull the mask off.. To blow away the smoke screen.. To show the lies for what they are. Actually, harsh methods are usually required.. And really the harsh method that destroys the web of self deception is the more compassionate method.. Because it brings out the truth and makes the deception clear.
When we coddle someone, we are not doing them any favors. We are only perpetuating the self-deception. A man will not quit until you can show the addiction for what it is.
Nicotine withdrawl will not kill you. DTs from alcohol withdrawl can kill you, but nicotine withdrawl will not. It just makes you wish that it could
No one forces the tobacco in our mouths. We make excuses. My girlfriend left me. My dog died, I lost my job. Whatever.. None of these are reasons to continue using tobacco. Even a tornado is not a reason to go back to tobacco. Sounds hard core.
It is...
Why? Which of these things are actually improved by tobacco? Any of them? No.. It just adds guilt to an already bad situation. It just makes it one more day you are enslaved.
"Well I needed that to get through this problem.." Total garbage.. It creates its own need.
A man will not quit until you show the addiction for what it is.. Enslaving self-deception. Once you do that, once he feels the sting.. And he has to feel the sting, by the way... Once you do that he will get a taste of true freedom.. Once he gets even a glimmer that he has the self control to stay off of this stuff, and he will gladly and even vehemently renounce tobacco and then do whatever is necessary to never do it again.
Anything short of that is self-deception...
The harsh treatment is not because we hate scottmacek the person.. We hate the person that tobacco turns scottmacek into. It turns him into a lying sack of self deceptive bullshit.
Right now he probably thinks I'm the biggest unfeeling discompassionate asshole that ever lived..
I am.. to the nicotine controlled scottmacek..
But if he ever becomes the "free from nicotine controlled by an unsotted clear thinking brain" scottmacek, he will thank me...
Does this even begin to make sense to you?
So then, are you really doing him a favor by perpetuating his self-deceptive lies?
Make him come clean! Be his real friend! Or would you rather see him with his jaw half-eaten away by cancer, no tongue, and a tumor growing around his brainstem as it slowly drags him down to the grave?
Discompassionate?
I think not. No, I'd rather be the asshole now than read his obituary later, thank you.
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This has turned into one of the most volatile forums on the entire KTC site. Since everyone knows the history by now, it seems that it should be decided by Administrators. I thought the Moderators could ban someone, but was incorrect. I asked and was informed “A banning is voted on by all 7 administrators. If there is a majority, then a ban occurs.” I also have been informed tonight by another moderator that “sometimes the best thing an admin/mod can do is let the class teach itself.” I reviewed the August roll and found that 37 quitters has signed roll today, including Scott. While I certainly am not a statistician, I would expect that 10% of that group even knows what’s going on in this thread. Do these 4-5 men qualify as a class? Can they teach themselves or their peers a lesson learned here? I do not have an answer to that, but considering their relatively new quit status I would doubt it.
Unlike most of you, I have many more miles under my ass than you. That does not make me smarter, wiser, or better informed, although my little grandson would disagree. What it does provide me is that little bit of insight to know that Chris Daniels was right…this shit has to stop. We are a good group of men and women in a unique position to be able to better ourselves and help those struggling to do the same. We are a family. Like most families, disagreements surface from time to time, but we deal with them and do not let it tear the family apart. The Scott issue is tearing this family apart. A couple of good men want to leave the family. We are cussing one another. Hostilities are spoken with reverence. We are basically agreeing to disagree with one another. This is like a cancer in and of itself and needs to stop before it spreads further. I am going to roll the boards in a few minutes and am putting forth a direct question of the day that will be easily answered with a “Yes” or a “No”. I posted the same QOD in February through August Quit groups, but SpartanRon took offense at the question and deleted it from the May group saying it was too divisive for him. I encourage all of you to post up, answer the QOD truthfully, and let Administration know where you stand on the issue of Scott. It is my understanding they are closely monitoring this situation and should hear the will of the entire KTC community. I apologize for any previous posts I have made here today if you were offended by them. If you were, toughen your hide and suck it up. See ya at roll.
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There is a point to all of this, actually...
Where I was going with this was that there are certain methods that work here on this site..
We are all addicts.
Addicts lie to cover their addiction.. We lie to others, but more importantly we lie to ourselves..
Harsh methods are sometimes required to pull the mask off.. To blow away the smoke screen.. To show the lies for what they are. Actually, harsh methods are usually required.. And really the harsh method that destroys the web of self deception is the more compassionate method.. Because it brings out the truth and makes the deception clear.
When we coddle someone, we are not doing them any favors. We are only perpetuating the self-deception. A man will not quit until you can show the addiction for what it is.
Nicotine withdrawl will not kill you. DTs from alcohol withdrawl can kill you, but nicotine withdrawl will not. It just makes you wish that it could
No one forces the tobacco in our mouths. We make excuses. My girlfriend left me. My dog died, I lost my job. Whatever.. None of these are reasons to continue using tobacco. Even a tornado is not a reason to go back to tobacco. Sounds hard core.
It is...
Why? Which of these things are actually improved by tobacco? Any of them? No.. It just adds guilt to an already bad situation. It just makes it one more day you are enslaved.
"Well I needed that to get through this problem.." Total garbage.. It creates its own need.
A man will not quit until you show the addiction for what it is.. Enslaving self-deception. Once you do that, once he feels the sting.. And he has to feel the sting, by the way... Once you do that he will get a taste of true freedom.. Once he gets even a glimmer that he has the self control to stay off of this stuff, and he will gladly and even vehemently renounce tobacco and then do whatever is necessary to never do it again.
Anything short of that is self-deception...
The harsh treatment is not because we hate scottmacek the person.. We hate the person that tobacco turns scottmacek into. It turns him into a lying sack of self deceptive bullshit.
Right now he probably thinks I'm the biggest unfeeling discompassionate asshole that ever lived..
I am.. to the nicotine controlled scottmacek..
But if he ever becomes the "free from nicotine controlled by an unsotted clear thinking brain" scottmacek, he will thank me...
Does this even begin to make sense to you?
So then, are you really doing him a favor by perpetuating his self-deceptive lies?
Make him come clean! Be his real friend! Or would you rather see him with his jaw half-eaten away by cancer, no tongue, and a tumor growing around his brainstem as it slowly drags him down to the grave?
Discompassionate?
I think not. No, I'd rather be the asshole now than read his obituary later, thank you.
Nice post.
Bottom line: this isn't a bakery...we don't sugarcoat shit. It's too important and wouldn't do any good anyway. It wouldn't help you, me, new people peeking in on this thread trying to get the courage to quit, or, most importantly, Mr. Macek.
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I think it is time to hear from admin..... Lots of you know me, I am not a drama guy, and I want everyone quit. But Scott should not be a member here. HE POSTED ROLL WHILE USING. It is that simple. How do we know that his day three wasn't posted with a dip in. I can name dozens if not hundreds of quitters who post everyday and I can trust them.
I said it before and I will say it again, I am at 676 this is still a fight for me I get dip dreams and I wake up terrified not because I failed (that sucks but failure is a part of life) I wake up with a pit in my stomach because the part that makes these dreams a nightmare is letting down my brothers of KTC, this is life and death to me, my brothers here help save my life everyday and I will do the same for them. If I can't trust their promise this site is cheapened. I will do whatever I can to make KTC stronger and if that means voicing an unpopular opinion I will do that.
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This has turned into one of the most volatile forums on the entire KTC site. Since everyone knows the history by now, it seems that it should be decided by Administrators. I thought the Moderators could ban someone, but was incorrect. I asked and was informed “A banning is voted on by all 7 administrators. If there is a majority, then a ban occurs.” I also have been informed tonight by another moderator that “sometimes the best thing an admin/mod can do is let the class teach itself.” I reviewed the August roll and found that 37 quitters has signed roll today, including Scott. While I certainly am not a statistician, I would expect that 10% of that group even knows what’s going on in this thread. Do these 4-5 men qualify as a class? Can they teach themselves or their peers a lesson learned here? I do not have an answer to that, but considering their relatively new quit status I would doubt it.
Unlike most of you, I have many more miles under my ass than you. That does not make me smarter, wiser, or better informed, although my little grandson would disagree. What it does provide me is that little bit of insight to know that Chris Daniels was right…this shit has to stop. We are a good group of men and women in a unique position to be able to better ourselves and help those struggling to do the same. We are a family. Like most families, disagreements surface from time to time, but we deal with them and do not let it tear the family apart. The Scott issue is tearing this family apart. A couple of good men want to leave the family. We are cussing one another. Hostilities are spoken with reverence. We are basically agreeing to disagree with one another.   I posted the same QOD in February through August Quit groups, but SpartanRon took offense at the question and deleted it from the May group saying it was too divisive for him. I encourage all of you to post up, answer the QOD truthfully, and let Administration know where you stand on the issue of Scott. It is my understanding they are closely monitoring this situation and should hear the will of the entire KTC community. I apologize for any previous posts I have made here today if you were offended by them. If you were, toughen your hide and suck it up. See ya at roll.
"This is like a cancer in and of itself and needs to stop before it spreads further."
*I agree, as do most reasonable people. But your very next sentence...
"I am going to roll the boards in a few minutes and am putting forth a direct question of the day that will be easily answered with a “Yes” or a “No”."
How will this end the "cancer"? Based on this thread alone, this is certainly not a y/n question. Admin doesn't need our unsolicited advice. They are not elected politicians, admin are quitters who are in charge of shaping the vision and culture of this site for the purpose of "killing the can". I trust them. By posting this question all over you are spreading The cancer. Now quitters in those quit groups who was unaware of all this bs, could get wrapped up in reading this thread. I'm no doctor, but it seems to me if you have an infection or cancer, the best way to handle it is to isolate it and then expose it to chemo. By the way, none of us are doctors, let's leave admin decisions to admin. Also, my Daily promise is not based on the integrity of anyone else's promise. In no way does what Scott did however long ago affect what I promised to april13 today.
Scott...You can do it. You are not the sum of your past mistakes, you have chose to quit. Stay quit today.
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'Popcorn'
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Scott really screwed up, but this site is not a democracy. I've seen 2 others banned here in my time and believe it kills the Admins to do it, because it cuts off a life line to someone who needs help, which is the whole purpose of this site. Should Scott go, maybe, but maybe it should be his decision. The emotion shows how invested people are in this site and that is what makes this site work, the new guys may not get it yet but they will remember this and the serious ones will get involved. This is a life and death choice you make everyday.
Drama on this site has many purposes, sometimes when you are new you need a distraction, you need someone to hate so your anger doesn't spill into your normal life, sometimes its is to show everyone else "Hey you better never do this," and yes I will bet sometimes "Vet's" need drama too. It is also a way to teach. We are not addicts by accident, there is probably a pattern of addiction and enabling in all our lives. Don't mistake tough love for being an "asshole." This site is based on accountability, part of that comes from not being able to lie to one another because we all know all the tricks, we've all told all the lies. The two things that are asked 1) Don't post roll while using, 2) Don't use multiple screen names Scott broke both of those, he needs to prove himself again and time will be the biggest test.
The last thing is don't ever let someone threaten to leave. No one made you come here, no one but you and your own actions can make you leave here. Unfortunately at times I have seen drama used as a reason to walk away from the accountability here. I am sorry but I call bullshit, I may not agree with every post or every person on here but that's life, the foundation of my quit is still this site. I post roll every morning because it works.
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that come back was in style in the 80's...
So Jayd...
Since we are on a roll here, and since you are such an experienced badass...
What was wrong with the 80s that you think today is so good in comparison?
I lived through both.. Was probably your age back then..
What have you got to point to today? Justin Beiber (or Bieber or however you spell it)?
'Popcorn'
Yeah i am a bit younger....31...but i have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Do you want to know what music i listen too? do you want to know my heros?
Ok, johnny cash, george jones, willie nelson, jamey johnson. Won't let my daughter listen to bieber...
don't think ive ever claimed to be an experienced badass...i think i'm a little more experienced in showing compassion then some...
and what was wrong with the 80's....besides hair bands and crack cocain nothing man....that was the decade i was born so no complaints...
Oh good. We're on band likes.
I spent most of my day listening to dead Kennedys and social distortion at work, but I'm all over the place on my music tastes. Fucking loved metal and was just telling my sister how I met korn years ago at lallapalooza and got punched in the nose (while on MTV news). Met guys from slipknot and anthrax last summer when we snuck backstage at a concert. Traveled 6 hours to see thrice in Chicago last year as well and ended up hanging out with singer at a bar.
Groopie 'crackup'
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There is a point to all of this, actually...
Where I was going with this was that there are certain methods that work here on this site..
We are all addicts.
Addicts lie to cover their addiction.. We lie to others, but more importantly we lie to ourselves..
Harsh methods are sometimes required to pull the mask off.. To blow away the smoke screen.. To show the lies for what they are. Actually, harsh methods are usually required.. And really the harsh method that destroys the web of self deception is the more compassionate method.. Because it brings out the truth and makes the deception clear.
When we coddle someone, we are not doing them any favors. We are only perpetuating the self-deception. A man will not quit until you can show the addiction for what it is.
Nicotine withdrawl will not kill you. DTs from alcohol withdrawl can kill you, but nicotine withdrawl will not. It just makes you wish that it could
No one forces the tobacco in our mouths. We make excuses. My girlfriend left me. My dog died, I lost my job. Whatever.. None of these are reasons to continue using tobacco. Even a tornado is not a reason to go back to tobacco. Sounds hard core.
It is...
Why? Which of these things are actually improved by tobacco? Any of them? No.. It just adds guilt to an already bad situation. It just makes it one more day you are enslaved.
"Well I needed that to get through this problem.." Total garbage.. It creates its own need.
A man will not quit until you show the addiction for what it is.. Enslaving self-deception. Once you do that, once he feels the sting.. And he has to feel the sting, by the way... Once you do that he will get a taste of true freedom.. Once he gets even a glimmer that he has the self control to stay off of this stuff, and he will gladly and even vehemently renounce tobacco and then do whatever is necessary to never do it again.
Anything short of that is self-deception...
The harsh treatment is not because we hate scottmacek the person.. We hate the person that tobacco turns scottmacek into. It turns him into a lying sack of self deceptive bullshit.
Right now he probably thinks I'm the biggest unfeeling discompassionate asshole that ever lived..
I am.. to the nicotine controlled scottmacek..
But if he ever becomes the "free from nicotine controlled by an unsotted clear thinking brain" scottmacek, he will thank me...
Does this even begin to make sense to you?
So then, are you really doing him a favor by perpetuating his self-deceptive lies?
Make him come clean! Be his real friend! Or would you rather see him with his jaw half-eaten away by cancer, no tongue, and a tumor growing around his brainstem as it slowly drags him down to the grave?
Discompassionate?
I think not. No, I'd rather be the asshole now than read his obituary later, thank you.
'clap'
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There is a point to all of this, actually...
Where I was going with this was that there are certain methods that work here on this site..
We are all addicts.
Addicts lie to cover their addiction.. We lie to others, but more importantly we lie to ourselves..
Harsh methods are sometimes required to pull the mask off.. To blow away the smoke screen.. To show the lies for what they are. Actually, harsh methods are usually required.. And really the harsh method that destroys the web of self deception is the more compassionate method.. Because it brings out the truth and makes the deception clear.
When we coddle someone, we are not doing them any favors. We are only perpetuating the self-deception. A man will not quit until you can show the addiction for what it is.
Nicotine withdrawl will not kill you. DTs from alcohol withdrawl can kill you, but nicotine withdrawl will not. It just makes you wish that it could
No one forces the tobacco in our mouths. We make excuses. My girlfriend left me. My dog died, I lost my job. Whatever.. None of these are reasons to continue using tobacco. Even a tornado is not a reason to go back to tobacco. Sounds hard core.
It is...
Why? Which of these things are actually improved by tobacco? Any of them? No.. It just adds guilt to an already bad situation. It just makes it one more day you are enslaved.
"Well I needed that to get through this problem.." Total garbage.. It creates its own need.
A man will not quit until you show the addiction for what it is.. Enslaving self-deception. Once you do that, once he feels the sting.. And he has to feel the sting, by the way... Once you do that he will get a taste of true freedom.. Once he gets even a glimmer that he has the self control to stay off of this stuff, and he will gladly and even vehemently renounce tobacco and then do whatever is necessary to never do it again.
Anything short of that is self-deception...
The harsh treatment is not because we hate scottmacek the person.. We hate the person that tobacco turns scottmacek into. It turns him into a lying sack of self deceptive bullshit.
Right now he probably thinks I'm the biggest unfeeling discompassionate asshole that ever lived..
I am.. to the nicotine controlled scottmacek..
But if he ever becomes the "free from nicotine controlled by an unsotted clear thinking brain" scottmacek, he will thank me...
Does this even begin to make sense to you?
So then, are you really doing him a favor by perpetuating his self-deceptive lies?
Make him come clean! Be his real friend! Or would you rather see him with his jaw half-eaten away by cancer, no tongue, and a tumor growing around his brainstem as it slowly drags him down to the grave?
Discompassionate?
I think not. No, I'd rather be the asshole now than read his obituary later, thank you.
Nice post.
Bottom line: this isn't a bakery...we don't sugarcoat shit. It's too important and wouldn't do any good anyway. It wouldn't help you, me, new people peeking in on this thread trying to get the courage to quit, or, most importantly, Mr. Macek.
Solid Post! 'clap'
There are other options out there. Find one that works for you Scott. Even if you think that the KTC works for you.....Im sorry, there is no place here for you. Post roll all you want.. It has no meaning here. We are not throwing you out in the cold, you are the one who put yourself there.
J
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After reading, and in some cases re-reading, the posts in this thread, I have not been able to come to any logical conclusion as to what the consensus of the members or moderators is. It is agreed that Scott really screwed the pooch in the past. He lied about using tobacco when he posted roll. He caved on several occasions. He has infuriated a lot of members by posting roll the past 3 days in the August 2013 Quit Group. By all accounts, he has answered the 3 golden questions and tried to atone to his brothers here at KTC for his past transgressions. This seems to be the place where everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. I tried to encapsulate the essence of each of the more “vocal” posts about this matter and state them as follows:
Skoal Monster would prefer that Scott go elsewhere.
Morgan1 agrees with Skoal Monster.
Seth will leave KTC if Administration allows Scott to stay on KTC.
Jhaenel23 was very cognizant of the seriousness of the infractions.
Jost2brown feels that support is actually enabling.
Gmann would not roll out the red carpet and questioned if Wastepanel was sucking off Scott.
Wastepanel said KTC forgives past mistakes and questioned if Gmann was still on his knee pads.
Diesel was so upset he even told a new August Quitter to blow it out his ass.
Kana is supportive of anyone who quits the nicotine.
Romandog recommended that Scott go elsewhere to quit. He is also ready to leave KTC.
Scott is taking his lumps and posted Day 3 today, apparently telling his adversaries to fuck off.
And My Favorite Of All---jayd41. He is a 2 week quitter in August and already has 87 posts. He has some big cods, stands his ground, believes in his convictions and says that he has met men in jail that are more respectful than some of the members on this site. He does not know Scott but told him that he fucked upÂ…and he would support Scott in his quit. Then he was evidently offended by something that Diesel said and told Diesel that he sounded like a bitter old woman and he could blow it out his assÂ…and then told him to fuck off! Pretty ballsy for a guy with just 14 days under his belt.
If I missed some of the rants, I apologize from the depths of my heart. If my words offend you, avert your eyesÂ…it is that simple. So, it looks like we gained one new quitter in Scott and have possibly lost two in Seth Romandog. In any event, the saga will probably continue as more members voice their agreement, support or distain for Scott reappearing after his repeated failures. Let it continue as far as I am concerned, as I enjoy reading the posts and wondering who the hell takes some of those big egos for a walk each day. Adios and stay quit.
This is one of my favorite posts ever. Thanks, dood.
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Oh, and here's the answer to everything: Focus on yourself and your quit, and on the people at KTC who are doing the same. That WILL NOT fail you.
The people who join this community and don't "get" it were never going to help you - or themselves - anyway. So it doesn't matter if they miss roll, cave or lie.
Yes, on the surface, it spoils the sanctity of KTC. But the guy who posts roll while dipping never regarded KTC as sacred in the first place. Which means he doesn't exist. Which means this entire thread doesn't exist. Which means I took far too much LSD in the early 1990s.
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I did not mean to stir all of this crap up. And I certainly did not mean to disrespect anyone by coming back. My best chance of quitting forever is to be part of this community. I will continue to post roll to show that I am quit. I am going to be quiet in the thread now because only my actions in posting roll every day will speak. I will NEVER again post roll while using. And NEVER post under a different name. Everyone knows my story. If I fuck up, you will know. But I'm not going to.
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I did not mean to stir all of this crap up. And I certainly did not mean to disrespect anyone by coming back. My best chance of quitting forever is to be part of this community. I will continue to post roll to show that I am quit. I am going to be quiet in the thread now because only my actions in posting roll every day will speak. I will NEVER again post roll while using. And NEVER post under a different name. Everyone knows my story. If I fuck up, you will know. But I'm not going to.
Actions do speak louder than words. If you weren't banned for the infraction, post quietly and prove us "hardasses" wrong. That's honestly the only path I see out of your situation. Maybe build a personal relationship with some quitters near you. I mean face-to-face, "I've met that dude" kind of stuff. Maybe that will build some integrity.
I did not mean to stir all of this crap up.
Really? You obviously didn't understand how seriously some of us take this place. Life and death..... just that simple. Not sure anybody even read my previous heartfelt post in this thread. Maybe I just wasted my emotion.
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I did not mean to stir all of this crap up. And I certainly did not mean to disrespect anyone by coming back. My best chance of quitting forever is to be part of this community. I will continue to post roll to show that I am quit. I am going to be quiet in the thread now because only my actions in posting roll every day will speak. I will NEVER again post roll while using. And NEVER post under a different name. Everyone knows my story. If I fuck up, you will know. But I'm not going to.
Scott
My 2 cents, I am grateful you are here and said what you said. in this post, it is a testament to KTC.
God willing and the creek don't rise, we can see each other in the 100 Day HOF.
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For all the bs, drama and crap spewed in this intro thread it should be required reading for all of KTC and for sure the noobs. There are numerous awesome quitters posting about the importance of accountability, the life and death nature of addicition and many other topic that would strengthen any quit. I know reading thru much of this and seeing the opinions expressed by quitters
I really respect has made me appreciate what we have here even more and made my quit stronger.
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I did not mean to stir all of this crap up. And I certainly did not mean to disrespect anyone by coming back. My best chance of quitting forever is to be part of this community. I will continue to post roll to show that I am quit. I am going to be quiet in the thread now because only my actions in posting roll every day will speak. I will NEVER again post roll while using. And NEVER post under a different name. Everyone knows my story. If I fuck up, you will know. But I'm not going to.
I don't know nothing 'bout no never-evers.
One day at a time, Scott. If you stick to that, all the other stuff - your quit, your role here, and other people's view of you - will fall into place by itself.
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I did not mean to stir all of this crap up. And I certainly did not mean to disrespect anyone by coming back. My best chance of quitting forever is to be part of this community. I will continue to post roll to show that I am quit. I am going to be quiet in the thread now because only my actions in posting roll every day will speak. I will NEVER again post roll while using. And NEVER post under a different name. Everyone knows my story. If I fuck up, you will know. But I'm not going to.
I don't know nothing 'bout no never-evers.
One day at a time, Scott. If you stick to that, all the other stuff - your quit, your role here, and other people's view of you - will fall into place by itself.
Scott, just to pile on
I will NEVER again post roll while using
Well no shit. If you really want to get to the root of it here, the answer lies in your mindset. You need to get the OPTION of using again out of your head.
NEVER AGAIN. FOR ANY REASON.
Its real simple to do.
1) Post Roll.
2) Keep your word.
3) Repeat.
Make posting roll the first thing you do every day, taking the option of using right off the table. Cant post yourself? get a number and have them post you up. Once your name is on the line you have given your word.
Now, most here wont believe your word for some time- if ever (myself included). You know what though? This quit is about you. So in essence, if you give your word and use you are really just lying to yourself, which is an awful thing to do. In the end, you have to be able to look yourself (and maybe wife and kids?) in the eye.
I strongly suggest you do some reading on this site this weekend. The stories of struggle and triumph, of brotherhood are everywhere. As are the tales of failure. Both provide the roadmap to success.
I cannot trust your word, but you damn sure should be able to go 24 hrs without lying to yourself. Then each morning when you wake up you can choose to give your word or not.
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Grace is a powerful force. It is a profoundly undeserved gift or favor. I think, maybe, a little has been bestowed on you. You can't, and won't, ever earn it but... You can WORK to be worthy of the sacrifice grace is.
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Scott really screwed up, but this site is not a democracy. I've seen 2 others banned here in my time and believe it kills the Admins to do it, because it cuts off a life line to someone who needs help, which is the whole purpose of this site. Should Scott go, maybe, but maybe it should be his decision. The emotion shows how invested people are in this site and that is what makes this site work, the new guys may not get it yet but they will remember this and the serious ones will get involved. This is a life and death choice you make everyday.
Drama on this site has many purposes, sometimes when you are new you need a distraction, you need someone to hate so your anger doesn't spill into your normal life, sometimes its is to show everyone else "Hey you better never do this," and yes I will bet sometimes "Vet's" need drama too. It is also a way to teach. We are not addicts by accident, there is probably a pattern of addiction and enabling in all our lives. Don't mistake tough love for being an "asshole." This site is based on accountability, part of that comes from not being able to lie to one another because we all know all the tricks, we've all told all the lies. The two things that are asked 1) Don't post roll while using, 2) Don't use multiple screen names Scott broke both of those, he needs to prove himself again and time will be the biggest test.
The last thing is don't ever let someone threaten to leave. No one made you come here, no one but you and your own actions can make you leave here. Unfortunately at times I have seen drama used as a reason to walk away from the accountability here. I am sorry but I call bullshit, I may not agree with every post or every person on here but that's life, the foundation of my quit is still this site. I post roll every morning because it works.
Damn well stated mcarmo.
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Those few of you old timers that know me realize it is not unusual for me to show up late for the party, but...
Scott f'n macek?????
Wow.
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Those few of you old timers that know me realize it is not unusual for me to show up late for the party, but...
Scott f'n macek?????
Wow.
CRAP! Does that make me an old timer?
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
My doctor tells me I need to relax. Drop a little weight. Not get worked up. So I'm not.
I don't know either of you two from Adam. Welcome. I think taz's been around a while while jake, you are a bit newer. Good to see new blood.
I don't think any of the longer time vets are missing the fact that scottmacek is posting a day 34, the fact that he's not missing, the fact he's posting early, etc. I think, and I shall only speak for myself on this one, the real issue is that he was doing those things before on multiple occasions under multiple identities--except he wasn't--in that he was lying about dipping while posting.
I wish the guy well. I hope he's clean and straight. But having been here when all his drama unfolded, trust is something that he may never be able to gain from me. Don't know. Too early to tell honestly.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistant impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done. And I'm not saying either of you, or anyone else, would be impacted by macek, just understand the wave of skepticism that will continue to float about for a while.
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
My doctor tells me I need to relax. Drop a little weight. Not get worked up. So I'm not.
I don't know either of you two from Adam. Welcome. I think taz's been around a while while jake, you are a bit newer. Good to see new blood.
I don't think any of the longer time vets are missing the fact that scottmacek is posting a day 34, the fact that he's not missing, the fact he's posting early, etc. I think, and I shall only speak for myself on this one, the real issue is that he was doing those things before on multiple occasions under multiple identities--except he wasn't--in that he was lying about dipping while posting.
I wish the guy well. I hope he's clean and straight. But having been here when all his drama unfolded, trust is something that he may never be able to gain from me. Don't know. Too early to tell honestly.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistant impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done. And I'm not saying either of you, or anyone else, would be impacted by macek, just understand the wave of skepticism that will continue to float about for a while.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistent impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done.
True words instigator, and you are correct I do not know his history so I come into this particular case with less jaded eyes than some. I try and offer support where I can and expect the best. So far so good.
Sorry Scott did not mean to hijack your introduction thread.
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Your thread has been buried under all the new guys coming in..... So I just want to publicly tell you that I am proud to stand next to you here at KTC. We came back the same day and Everyday I see you post roll makes me glad. We are both fighting for our lives and winning! Thank you for being here and taking a leading role in our group! It matters!
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
My doctor tells me I need to relax. Drop a little weight. Not get worked up. So I'm not.
I don't know either of you two from Adam. Welcome. I think taz's been around a while while jake, you are a bit newer. Good to see new blood.
I don't think any of the longer time vets are missing the fact that scottmacek is posting a day 34, the fact that he's not missing, the fact he's posting early, etc. I think, and I shall only speak for myself on this one, the real issue is that he was doing those things before on multiple occasions under multiple identities--except he wasn't--in that he was lying about dipping while posting.
I wish the guy well. I hope he's clean and straight. But having been here when all his drama unfolded, trust is something that he may never be able to gain from me. Don't know. Too early to tell honestly.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistant impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done. And I'm not saying either of you, or anyone else, would be impacted by macek, just understand the wave of skepticism that will continue to float about for a while.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistent impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done.
True words instigator, and you are correct I do not know his history so I come into this particular case with less jaded eyes than some. I try and offer support where I can and expect the best. So far so good.
Sorry Scott did not mean to hijack your introduction thread.
Thanks Taz Jake! I can't say enough about being quit. Some days it is easy, other days it is hard. This site makes the hard days better. Regardless of whether a day is easy or hard, a day quit is awesome!
Romandog spent a lot of time with me. If anyone has been a serial caver in the past, then reach out to him. If you really want to quit, he will set you straight and help you get on the right path. I was lucky that he reached out to me (after giving me a difficult, but well deserved lashing at first). Anyone who has caved, but wants to quit needs to first and foremost be here for themselves. Secondly, they need a roadmap from others who are quitting successfully one day at a time.
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
My doctor tells me I need to relax. Drop a little weight. Not get worked up. So I'm not.
I don't know either of you two from Adam. Welcome. I think taz's been around a while while jake, you are a bit newer. Good to see new blood.
I don't think any of the longer time vets are missing the fact that scottmacek is posting a day 34, the fact that he's not missing, the fact he's posting early, etc. I think, and I shall only speak for myself on this one, the real issue is that he was doing those things before on multiple occasions under multiple identities--except he wasn't--in that he was lying about dipping while posting.
I wish the guy well. I hope he's clean and straight. But having been here when all his drama unfolded, trust is something that he may never be able to gain from me. Don't know. Too early to tell honestly.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistant impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done. And I'm not saying either of you, or anyone else, would be impacted by macek, just understand the wave of skepticism that will continue to float about for a while.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistent impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done.
True words instigator, and you are correct I do not know his history so I come into this particular case with less jaded eyes than some. I try and offer support where I can and expect the best. So far so good.
Sorry Scott did not mean to hijack your introduction thread.
Thanks Taz Jake! I can't say enough about being quit. Some days it is easy, other days it is hard. This site makes the hard days better. Regardless of whether a day is easy or hard, a day quit is awesome!
Romandog spent a lot of time with me. If anyone has been a serial caver in the past, then reach out to him. If you really want to quit, he will set you straight and help you get on the right path. I was lucky that he reached out to me (after giving me a difficult, but well deserved lashing at first). Anyone who has caved, but wants to quit needs to first and foremost be here for themselves. Secondly, they need a roadmap from others who are quitting successfully one day at a time.
'clap' keep up the good work!
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Grace is a powerful force. It is a profoundly undeserved gift or favor. I think, maybe, a little has been bestowed on you. You can't, and won't, ever earn it but... You can WORK to be worthy of the sacrifice grace is.
I like this statement. I like it a lot.
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For anyone paying attention, Scott is now on day 34, is a 100% poster and is normally one of the first to post everyday. He is one of the leaders in August 2013.
Thanks in no small part to romandog of course. (not sure how that will come out when it is read, but I mean it in a good way). romandog spent a ton of time and energy with Scott and August.
Keep up the good work Scott!
AMEN! Glad to agree he is a leader! Well done! Takes a lot to come back and be a MAN! Probably easy to come and go as you please because you have disagreements. Just saying!
My doctor tells me I need to relax. Drop a little weight. Not get worked up. So I'm not.
I don't know either of you two from Adam. Welcome. I think taz's been around a while while jake, you are a bit newer. Good to see new blood.
I don't think any of the longer time vets are missing the fact that scottmacek is posting a day 34, the fact that he's not missing, the fact he's posting early, etc. I think, and I shall only speak for myself on this one, the real issue is that he was doing those things before on multiple occasions under multiple identities--except he wasn't--in that he was lying about dipping while posting.
I wish the guy well. I hope he's clean and straight. But having been here when all his drama unfolded, trust is something that he may never be able to gain from me. Don't know. Too early to tell honestly.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistant impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done. And I'm not saying either of you, or anyone else, would be impacted by macek, just understand the wave of skepticism that will continue to float about for a while.
Regardless, if he pans out or washes out...let the outcome have a minimal to nonexistent impact on you. My journey off dip has never depended on what any other person on here has done.
True words instigator, and you are correct I do not know his history so I come into this particular case with less jaded eyes than some. I try and offer support where I can and expect the best. So far so good.
Sorry Scott did not mean to hijack your introduction thread.
Thanks Taz Jake! I can't say enough about being quit. Some days it is easy, other days it is hard. This site makes the hard days better. Regardless of whether a day is easy or hard, a day quit is awesome!
Romandog spent a lot of time with me. If anyone has been a serial caver in the past, then reach out to him. If you really want to quit, he will set you straight and help you get on the right path. I was lucky that he reached out to me (after giving me a difficult, but well deserved lashing at first). Anyone who has caved, but wants to quit needs to first and foremost be here for themselves. Secondly, they need a roadmap from others who are quitting successfully one day at a time.
'clap' keep up the good work!
This entire thread is a fine example of accountability, friendship, brotherhood and the effects of the KTC tough love program. While I personally will never believe it is a one size fits all protocol, I will always believe that Romandog will go to extreme lengths to help out a brother that has lost his balance on the path to freedom. I applaud each and every one of you for your efforts, commitments and devotion...what more can be said? The answer: NOTHING, It HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID.
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Congratulations on hitting a milestone in your quit today, Scott. Your stuggles were well documented, but in the end your time in the Leper Colony helped out the August group and built a stronger team. Looking forward to seeing you hit 200 and beyond!
Today is a big day - take a moment to celebrate the fact that you did what many attempt, but few achieve. And remember all of the struggles that you went through to make it to 100. You'll never have to relive those days again.
Well done.
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Grace is a powerful force. It is a profoundly undeserved gift or favor. I think, maybe, a little has been bestowed on you. You can't, and won't, ever earn it but... You can WORK to be worthy of the sacrifice grace is.
I like this statement. I like it a lot.
+1 That's real insight there. You can't earn grace indeed, the sacrifice was too great, but you can try to improve yourself to live up to it. Thanks AJ Dougie for bringing it up.
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Well done brother! This is a milestone you EARNED!!
See you tomorrow for 101.