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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
hey bigreddude44,
You can do this...One day at a time. By posting roll every a.m. the earlier the better for your quit. Then, keep your word all day, your word is good, right? Then, make it to bed, wake and REPEAT. Before you know it your days will stack up.
It is a very simple thing to do, but will probably be the most difficult thing you've ever done.
Post roll
Keep your word
Wake and Repeat.
thousands of us slaves have gained our freedom from the nicotine bitch. YOU can TOO, I promise.
Click on the "Welcome" link at the top left corner of this page, read, read, read until you understand that 1. You're an Addict, just like us. 2. You have to quit every day by posting roll. 3. No nic is allowed here. no pussy patches or ghey nic gum, cigars. NO NICOTINE. We don't "try" here. We quit.
Welcome to the real world Sir. Come on in, the kool aid is delicious.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
ok big red... you got buddys what dip and you prolly wont be avoidin um eether. they think your crazy for quittin cuz they cant do it. and so they will try to under mine your quit. one a those guys is gonna offer a dip and you need a plan. here's dromes plan for you... take the can with a big smile. open the can. turn the can 180 dagrees so the contents spill out on the ground. piss on the contents. (some times you cant do that so just mash it in to the ground with your shoes). put lid back on can. hand back to buddy. repete till they get the messige. once they get that messige try bummin a dip. repete the same steps. soon they wont let you touch there dip.
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BigRed, I had 32 years of the nic bitch on my back but have followed the model here to 258 days without her. My dipping friends all look at me now and wish they had done the same. It feels great to be clean but we know we are all addicts so quit one day at a time, post roll and repeat every day! Most of all, reach out if you need support, there are so many here that will jump to your aid.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
ok big red... you got buddys what dip and you prolly wont be avoidin um eether. they think your crazy for quittin cuz they cant do it. and so they will try to under mine your quit. one a those guys is gonna offer a dip and you need a plan. here's dromes plan for you... take the can with a big smile. open the can. turn the can 180 dagrees so the contents spill out on the ground. piss on the contents. (some times you cant do that so just mash it in to the ground with your shoes). put lid back on can. hand back to buddy. repete till they get the messige. once they get that messige try bummin a dip. repete the same steps. soon they wont let you touch there dip.
I like Drome's plan.
Quitting is all about making decisions. Luckily, when it comes to quitting there are good decisions and bad decisions but nothing in between.
Deciding to avoid cancer is a good one.
Deciding to save a lot of money is a good one.
Deciding to free yourself is a good one.
Deciding to remove the poison from your body is a good one.
What is bad about quitting? Not being able to join your addict buddies and brag about how good your cancer tastes in your lip and how good the spitters smell after a week in a hot car? 'no' BTW... I hadn't thought about that in ages since tomorrow is 2 years for me, but I can still vividly remember that terrible smell... I just gagged thinking about it.
You decided to quit. So do it. Just make the decision to be done for life. Never again. Once you've allowed yourself to get to that point the cravings and triggers will be much easier to deal with, but you will still need to actively fight the bitch.
Post roll. Early. EVERY DAY.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
You know why they are thinking you are crazy? Because they don't have the balls to quit themselves. It takes a much bigger man to resist the temptation than to simply throw in a dip.
You have this...and you have all the support you need/want right here. Make sure to get in with your quit group, sign roll and READ READ READ on here.
Also, make sure you get numbers of fellow quitters and talk with them when you feel you are in need of support. All ya ever have to do to get digits is ask. Welcome to the quit, brudda.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here.
Big Red you are far from alone, there are countless number of quitters here that are willing to help you by offering a hand. We are either going through the same thing or have gone through it and succeeded. Pm me if you need anything.
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Thanks so much for all the support! Great to know I'm not alone! I've posted roll the last 3 days and have been reading quit lit everyday. Reading everyday has been extremely helpful in reminding me how controlling nicotine is and how bad every dip i ever took was for me.
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here.
Big Red you are far from alone, there are countless number of quitters here that are willing to help you by offering a hand. We are either going through the same thing or have gone through it and succeeded. Pm me if you need anything.
Like the man say, you are NOT alone. None of us quitters is. Chat room and phone calls prove it. Realtime contact with other quitters is of great value, to me it is essential. We can do this. You are part of We.
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Thanks so much for all the support! Great to know I'm not alone! I've posted roll the last 3 days and have been reading quit lit everyday. Reading everyday has been extremely helpful in reminding me how controlling nicotine is and how bad every dip i ever took was for me.
Nicotine has never done anything FOR you! It has never made anything BETTER for you!! All it is doing is KILLING YOU!! Read HOF Speeches......Read Words of Wisdom..........Live Chat.........Get numbers from anyone on here...........Stay Quit!!!! One day at a time.... Post Role....Eat...Sleep......Repeat!!!
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I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade -35 years ago! I've been nicotine free for 11 days and I'm doing ok but I am totally on my own out here. All my dipping friends think I'm crazy for quitting which makes it hard to keep going but at the same time it gives me motivation to prove them wrong. I've tried this before many times but I am determined to beat the can this time. I'm sick and freaking tired of being owned by the nicotine bitch and I'm ready to be free.
For what it is worth... I think your friends are waiting to see if you are serious. When they see your determination they will support you. If not, then the title friends does not apply to them.
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"...it gives me motivation to prove them wrong."
Fucking A right my brother. You aren't all alone either. We got your back. Hell some of these h moes might want a piece of your front.
You're friends think you're crazy...why? Because they don't have the stones to do it? I know they're your boys but like I quoted at the beggining use it as motivation to prove them wrong.
I had a buddy who smoked like a chimmney and he said no way I could quit cold turkey. Told me I needed the patch or chantix. Fuck him. He was and still is my boy and when he saw me struggling in the beginning he begged me to go to the store and buy some nic gum or a patch. Again, fuck him.
255 days later we took our daughters to a daddy/daughter dance. I felt free as a bird. That asshole had to keep stepping outside to suck down heaters. He would come back to the table smelling like an ash tray and missed some precious time with his daughter. You don't get that shit back.
So screw what your friends think. YOU know you're doing the right thing and you got some bad ass mother truckers here for support. Reach out anytime you need anything.
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I have sat down every day for the last 5 days and tried to write this intro and start my quit and every time I shut the computer and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Last night around 8 pm I finished what I hope is my last can of snuff. I've been nicotine free all of 18 hours but am determined to keep rolling. I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade (1978) and a can a day dipper for at least the last 5 years. My lip and gums are flat out worn out. They hurt all the time. Every dip hurts like hell. There is no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I don't enjoy it but I keep doing it because I'm a damn addict and I"m sick and freaking tired of daily bowing down to King Copenhagen. All that and the fact that I don't want die! I have finally come to the realization that dipping has been nothing more than a self-indulgent, slow manner of committing suicide! I'm done! I wanna be done forever and I know I cannot do it alone. Hopefully this site will be what I need to make it this time!
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I have sat down every day for the last 5 days and tried to write this intro and start my quit and every time I shut the computer and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Last night around 8 pm I finished what I hope is my last can of snuff. I've been nicotine free all of 18 hours but am determined to keep rolling. I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade (1978) and a can a day dipper for at least the last 5 years. My lip and gums are flat out worn out. They hurt all the time. Every dip hurts like hell. There is no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I don't enjoy it but I keep doing it because I'm a damn addict and I"m sick and freaking tired of daily bowing down to King Copenhagen. All that and the fact that I don't want die! I have finally come to the realization that dipping has been nothing more than a self-indulgent, slow manner of committing suicide! I'm done! I wanna be done forever and I know I cannot do it alone. Hopefully this site will be what I need to make it this time!
Dude. Don't say "hope." You've already failed. Make the decision that you ain't stuffing anymore nicotine laden cat turds in your face and stick with it. Read all you can here. Post roll daily, keep your word, repeat.
Read the welcome center on posting roll call and then go post your promise in the October 2014 group.
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Welcome in bro...
Wrap your head around this man... There is no "hoping" here and there is no "forever".
At KTC we just DO and it happens every day. Forever is too tough to grasp as an addict and hoping/trying leaves room for failure. You found us and that's what it takes. Get yourself to the Welcome Center and read about what/how/why we do things here.
You CAN do this...
We'll do it right along with you...
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I have sat down every day for the last 5 days and tried to write this intro and start my quit and every time I shut the computer and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Last night around 8 pm I finished what I hope is my last can of snuff. I've been nicotine free all of 18 hours but am determined to keep rolling. I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade (1978) and a can a day dipper for at least the last 5 years. My lip and gums are flat out worn out. They hurt all the time. Every dip hurts like hell. There is no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I don't enjoy it but I keep doing it because I'm a damn addict and I"m sick and freaking tired of daily bowing down to King Copenhagen. All that and the fact that I don't want die! I have finally come to the realization that dipping has been nothing more than a self-indulgent, slow manner of committing suicide! I'm done! I wanna be done forever and I know I cannot do it alone. Hopefully this site will be what I need to make it this time!
Dude. Don't say "hope." You've already failed. Make the decision that you ain't stuffing anymore nicotine laden cat turds in your face and stick with it. Read all you can here. Post roll daily, keep your word, repeat.
Read the welcome center on posting roll call and then go post your promise in the October 2014 group.
Uh oh, I just heard a record skip.
You've been here before. What quit group were you originally a member when you joined?
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Welcome BRD,
This is the place, this is the way. Turn brain off and do what is preached here. 33 yr ex-dipper here, 182 days of freedom. Listen, read and heed. We can do this!
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I have sat down every day for the last 5 days and tried to write this intro and start my quit and every time I shut the computer and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Last night around 8 pm I finished what I hope is my last can of snuff. I've been nicotine free all of 18 hours but am determined to keep rolling. I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade (1978) and a can a day dipper for at least the last 5 years. My lip and gums are flat out worn out. They hurt all the time. Every dip hurts like hell. There is no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I don't enjoy it but I keep doing it because I'm a damn addict and I"m sick and freaking tired of daily bowing down to King Copenhagen. All that and the fact that I don't want die! I have finally come to the realization that dipping has been nothing more than a self-indulgent, slow manner of committing suicide! I'm done! I wanna be done forever and I know I cannot do it alone. Hopefully this site will be what I need to make it this time!
Dude. Don't say "hope." You've already failed. Make the decision that you ain't stuffing anymore nicotine laden cat turds in your face and stick with it. Read all you can here. Post roll daily, keep your word, repeat.
Read the welcome center on posting roll call and then go post your promise in the October 2014 group.
Uh oh, I just heard a record skip.
You've been here before. What quit group were you originally a member when you joined?
Joined in Feb 13. 25 Posts.
Enough 'Hope'. Man the fuck up.
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I have sat down every day for the last 5 days and tried to write this intro and start my quit and every time I shut the computer and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Last night around 8 pm I finished what I hope is my last can of snuff. I've been nicotine free all of 18 hours but am determined to keep rolling. I've been an every day dipper since 8th grade (1978) and a can a day dipper for at least the last 5 years. My lip and gums are flat out worn out. They hurt all the time. Every dip hurts like hell. There is no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I don't enjoy it but I keep doing it because I'm a damn addict and I"m sick and freaking tired of daily bowing down to King Copenhagen. All that and the fact that I don't want die! I have finally come to the realization that dipping has been nothing more than a self-indulgent, slow manner of committing suicide! I'm done! I wanna be done forever and I know I cannot do it alone. Hopefully this site will be what I need to make it this time!
Dude. Don't say "hope." You've already failed. Make the decision that you ain't stuffing anymore nicotine laden cat turds in your face and stick with it. Read all you can here. Post roll daily, keep your word, repeat.
Read the welcome center on posting roll call and then go post your promise in the October 2014 group.
Uh oh, I just heard a record skip.
You've been here before. What quit group were you originally a member when you joined?
Joined in Feb 13. 25 Posts.
Enough 'Hope'. Man the fuck up.
Looks like you made it to Day 34, and then....what?
Let's fucking go man. Enough of the insanity.
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Bump
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I combined your two intros, so you can have a real. Hard. Look. at what addiction is. Let's go bro. Grab a hold, and get it done.
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I combined your two intros, so you can have a real. Hard. Look. at what addiction is. Let's go bro. Grab a hold, and get it done.
Thanks Nolaq for calling me out. Honestly, at first I was perplexed by the responses to my "introduction" today. The first time I wrote one all I got was support and this time I felt like I got chewed out. But then I went and read your intro and all the updates and responses and realized that I did need a kick in the pants today! Thanks for getting on me. I needed to get my brain around how hard I'm gonna to have to work to stay quit this time and not bail out like last time.
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I combined your two intros, so you can have a real. Hard. Look. at what addiction is. Let's go bro. Grab a hold, and get it done.
Thanks Nolaq for calling me out. Honestly, at first I was perplexed by the responses to my "introduction" today. The first time I wrote one all I got was support and this time I felt like I got chewed out. But then I went and read your intro and all the updates and responses and realized that I did need a kick in the pants today! Thanks for getting on me. I needed to get my brain around how hard I'm gonna to have to work to stay quit this time and not bail out like last time.
Do NOT take a giant deuce on Oct 14. You made it in there on their last open day. Tomorrow we shut the door in there.
Shut yours.
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And you have some questions to answer, big red.
1. What happened?
2. Why did you choose to cave and take a deuce on all of those here supporting you and May 2013 group?
3. What are you going to do to make sure you can't choose to cave again?
Need heartfelt answers in your new group and your old group. Get to typing.
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here are the answers to your questions. 1. I posted roll everyday and read quit lit everyday but was mainly all alone in my attempt to quit. 2. what support? didn't get to know anybody. what is a "deuce"? 3. hopefully find some brothers that want to work together to get well and not crap all over anybody that is not absolutely perfect.
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Ok, I get it now. I understand why y'all were so hard on me today. I just spent 30 minutes in chat bitching and whining about how shitty everybody here has been to me today. I was ready the entire time to bail out at any moment and go get a can but I didn't because I was too busy arguing with people and even though I didn't like what they were saying or the way they were saying it I realized that they were on my ass for a good reason. If it wasn't for them riding my ass so hard for bailing last time I would have a dip in right now. But I don't have a dip and I didn't cave for two reasons: 1. I was in chat and without realizing it at the time, just being there was actually working on my quit. 2. a bunch of people, mostly "bronc" and "p23", wore my ass out and made me realize how much and how hard I need to work to beat this addiction and how important reaching out for and seeking to give support is to my recovery as well as to the recovery of others.
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Ok, I get it now. I understand why y'all were so hard on me today. I just spent 30 minutes in chat bitching and whining about how shitty everybody here has been to me today. I was ready the entire time to bail out at any moment and go get a can but I didn't because I was too busy arguing with people and even though I didn't like what they were saying or the way they were saying it I realized that they were on my ass for a good reason. If it wasn't for them riding my ass so hard for bailing last time I would have a dip in right now. But I don't have a dip and I didn't cave for two reasons: 1. I was in chat and without realizing it at the time, just being there was actually working on my quit. 2. a bunch of people, mostly "bronc" and "p23", wore my ass out and made me realize how much and how hard I need to work to beat this addiction and how important reaching out for and seeking to give support is to my recovery as well as to the recovery of others.
Bigreddude44, I had the same issue. Just answer the questions! It isn't about anyone being assholes. I needed to be shocked and pissed. It made me look within and realize I needed this for me no matter what anyone said! Less go, pick ya self up, friggen answer the questions for these men, and your other group and les quit!!!
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Ok, I get it now. I understand why y'all were so hard on me today. I just spent 30 minutes in chat bitching and whining about how shitty everybody here has been to me today. I was ready the entire time to bail out at any moment and go get a can but I didn't because I was too busy arguing with people and even though I didn't like what they were saying or the way they were saying it I realized that they were on my ass for a good reason. If it wasn't for them riding my ass so hard for bailing last time I would have a dip in right now. But I don't have a dip and I didn't cave for two reasons: 1. I was in chat and without realizing it at the time, just being there was actually working on my quit. 2. a bunch of people, mostly "bronc" and "p23", wore my ass out and made me realize how much and how hard I need to work to beat this addiction and how important reaching out for and seeking to give support is to my recovery as well as to the recovery of others.
Bigreddude44, I had the same issue. Just answer the questions! It isn't about anyone being assholes. I needed to be shocked and pissed. It made me look within and realize I needed this for me no matter what anyone said! Less go, pick ya self up, friggen answer the questions for these men, and your other group and les quit!!!
Big red, take another stab at the questions. It is obvious you weren't that involved while on your prior brief stint here. Whatever, you can't change that now. But use that when answering the questions to show that you have learned what this site is about and how you will use it to succeed. There is a clear formula, answering these 3 questions after coming on this site, giving your word, then caving, is part of that formula.
This is a leaning experience. These guys aren't beating you up just to be assholes. We're in the business of quit, and we take it seriously because it's life and death.
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If you got Bronc and P23 wearing you out in chat then you got 2 serious bad ass quitters helping you. I suggest you stay close to here and chat the next few days and get into this quit.
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If you got Bronc and P23 wearing you out in chat then you got 2 serious bad ass quitters helping you. I suggest you stay close to here and chat the next few days and get into this quit.
Agreed. Now take a real stab at the questions.
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A deuce is a poop, aka, sewer pickle, turd, shit, dookie, scat, etc.........
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what is a "deuce"?
A turd. A dookey. Poopies. Mud. Coil. Dirt. Stool. Fecal matter. Feces. Shit. Shite. Corn. A turtle.
Take your pick.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
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poop
He called the shit poop
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poop
He called the shit poop
Another Billy Madison fan I see.......
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poop
He called the shit poop
Another Billy Madison fan I see.......
It's Nudie Magazine Day!
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was feening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks to bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
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I can't say snack pack normally anymore....it has to be screamed!! Fuck you penguin.
BigRed....get on kakao, crazy group helps keep your mind off it, helluva lotta fun too.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
O'Doyle rules.
Big Red, I did not own a cell phone before KTC, and the thought of chatting (texting, WTF, I don't know how) with strange dudes was unappealing. 4 months later I am a monkey with a new toy, everytime the Tigers get a hit I text someone.
My rambling point is that I have received texts out of nowhere on days that were bad. Jump in with both feet, and let's quit together.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
So am I still on "probation"? Do I need to do anything else?
"That's assault, brother!"
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Post roll daily and keep your word.
"It's too damn hot for a penguin to just be walkin around."
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Post roll daily and keep your word.
"It's too damn hot for a penguin to just be walkin around."
"post roll and keep your word"
As simply put as you can get!
Love the Billy Madison quotes! I have a 4 y/o daughter and every once in a while when I go into her room in the morning she'll look at me and say: "Stop looking at me Swan!"
Best way to start a day!
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
So am I still on "probation"? Do I need to do anything else?
"That's assault, brother!"
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
You are on double secret probation.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
So am I still on "probation"? Do I need to do anything else?
"That's assault, brother!"
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
You are on double secret probation.
I made 'em extra sloppy for you. I know you's kids like 'em extra sloppy.
You've got better punctuation and spelling than my phone's autocorrect system so no worries. Nice write-up. Be careful this weekend. Reach out.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
So am I still on "probation"? Do I need to do anything else?
"That's assault, brother!"
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
You are on double secret probation.
I made 'em extra sloppy for you. I know you's kids like 'em extra sloppy.
You've got better punctuation and spelling than my phone's autocorrect system so no worries. Nice write-up. Be careful this weekend. Reach out.
Welcome to the group man. That was eloquently put.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
So am I still on "probation"? Do I need to do anything else?
"That's assault, brother!"
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
You are on double secret probation.
I made 'em extra sloppy for you. I know you's kids like 'em extra sloppy.
You've got better punctuation and spelling than my phone's autocorrect system so no worries. Nice write-up. Be careful this weekend. Reach out.
Welcome to the group man. That was eloquently put.
Looks like you finally got it. Stick around and enjoy it this time. I am glad you got the help you needed in chat. Quitting sucks but dying sucks more.
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I can't put you on the spreadsheet until you satisfy these quitters thirst for knowledge. Give some thought to your answers man and we will welcome you to October.
Okay I'm going to take another stab at these three questions. I'm having to do this while driving and using Siri to dictate it so who knows how it will go.
Question number one. What happened? I travel for a living and I was alone on the road with an extra day with nothing to do. I got bored and I went and bought a can.
Question number two: Why did I choose to cave and take a deuce? I think this is a dip maybe? and why did I bail on everybody supporting me in the May 2013 class or something like that?
Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction.
Question number three: what am I going to do different this time to make sure I don't Cave?
Basically I'm going to be way more connected and involved in this process. I learned a valuable lesson last night in chat which by the way I could not get to work last time but it's working now. Anyway, last night while I was waiting on my wife to go to sleep so I could leave and go buy snuff I came on here to see if anything else had been said. I went into chat and started whining like a little wimp about how people on here were treating me and how I wasn't being supported blah blah blah blah blah basically I was fiening for a dip and acting like a jackass. Several guys in chat wore my ass out for about an hour. At first I thought they were just being jerks but then I began to realize those guys were fighting for me and my quit. I also realized that because of them I did not cave last night. I did not go and buy snuff. So big shout out and thanks bronc, Lours, and P 23 for last night. What I learned from this that I completely missed last time was the immeasurable value of support from others here. Going into chat last night saved my quit. I will continue going to chat as well as making any other connections I can. I got a phone number from a guy last night that I have been texting today. I can already tell how helpful that is going to be. I also realize now how vigilant you have to be about your quit. Not hoping I will make it. Not dreaming that it will really happen but being absolutely determined to make it happen. And that is what I am going to do.
Sorry I had to do this via Siri on my iPhone but I had no choice today. I apologize if the grammar and punctuation sucks. Anyway, I hope this answers the questions sufficiently and and opens the door for me to be in the October 2014 class.
Dude. You are WAY too polite.
Nice job, btw, and for the record. What you experienced is EXACTLY what this site is all about. Just when you think you can't take it anymore, you better check in with some of your brothers and get permission.
Well done.
And again, a deuce is not a dip, but now that you mention it, it could be considered a deuce.
Norlaq, man I can't lie I pretty much hated the crap outta you yesterday but dangitt man you were exactly what I needed to get my head right. I get it now but dadgummitt man I did not get it yesterday! Thank you for riding my butt so hard. It made me think through what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. I was so PISSED about the "3 questions" and absolutely resistant to addressing them but working through them was incredibly therapeutic. Thanks man for busting my balls. I would not still be here without it!
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My sister who is a recovered alcoholic told me I should write a one page summary of my dipping history, first dip to last, and how I tried to quit unsuccessfully in the past. So here goes:
I took my first chew when I was 7 years old. My grandfather chewed and I asked him if I could have a chew. My dad told me to go ahead, thinking it would make me sick. Talk about your all time backfires! I kept it in for 30 minutes and loved every second of it. I think I was hooked from that second on! Needless to say, my mom was not at all happy with any of this! haha Every time I saw my grandfather after that I begged him to give me another chew but he wouldn't do it so the first time a friend showed up to school with a can of snuff in 5th grade I was all in! I bought my first can in 8th grade (1978) for 35¢. I've been an every day dipper ever since. The first time I tried to quit was when I became a Christian when I was junior in high school. I think I maybe made it a week and half. When I got to college my "habit" was up to about 2 cans a week and I was getting crap from friends about being addicted to snuff. My response was always, "I can quit anytime I want to, I just don't want to." Nothing but straight-up bull crap addict talk. I knew I couldn't quit anytime I wanted to because I'd tried and failed before. My addiction progressed over the years from 2 cans a week to 3 cans a week etc. etc. with vain half-assed attempts at quitting when snuff went to $1 a can or $2 a can etc. etc. I started on Copenhagen, switched to Skoal fine cut wintergreen, and ended up on Copenhagen long cut Wintergreen. I tried things like, "I'll only dip while I'm hunting." or "I'll only dip at the ranch." None of which ever worked. I cannot even count how many I relapsed on opening day of dove season - September 1 in Texas. This all rocked along until my dad got cancer in 1996 and that is when I really began to lean on snuff more than ever. My dad died in 1998 and I began traveling for work and snuff became my one and only best friend on the road. Eventually leading me to a can a day addiction that I had up until 4 days ago. A year ago in 2013, I found the KTC website and joined the Maysters of the Universe and made it further than I had ever made it before.. 34 days... and caved. I was alone on the road for a day with nothing to do and I bought a can of snuff and dipped it. I covered this in my answer to the infamous 3 questions cavers have to and need to answer to get back into a quit group:
"Last time I tried this I really did not understand what this website was about. I just thought that you went and posted roll to keep yourself accountable. Couple of guys gave me their phone numbers but I just did not feel comfortable calling strangers basically I really just wasn't that committed to what y'all do here. I realize now how important community and brotherhood is in this difficult journey. Both getting support from others as well as offering my support to others that are fighting this addiction."
Basically, I chose not to tap into the support I had with KTC, isolated myself and jumped right back into a can a day addiction.
Part of my history with snuff that I need to cover is what seems to be a unique way of dipping which is when and how I dipped. Unless I was hunting or watching football, I almost never dipped during the day. I would start dipping in the evenings usually around 7ish and dip nonstop until the can was gone. I also would randomly take a few days off when my lip got too raw. I would not dip for a few days or a week, let my lip heal up and jump back in. The weird thing is that it was no problem at all to do that. No withdrawals, fog, sleepless nights, or bursts of anger like I've had the last 4 days since I quit for good. It makes no physiological sense but for some reason if I knew that in a week I could get a dip then not dipping was no problem but when I know that I can't get one ever again its pretty rough. Anyways, I've needed to take one of those weeks off for a while but had not or could not make myself do it and my lip just kept getting more raw and more irritated. A week or so ago my lip and gums were so raw and inflamed that every dip was awfully painful. There was no such thing as a "good dip" anymore. I did not enjoy it anymore. I hated it but could not stop doing it. I woke up every morning with my mouth on fire from dipping an entire can of snuff the night before scared to death that I was gonna get cancer. So I came to KTC and decided to quit. I sat down and started to write my "introduction" 3 days in a row and closed the lap top and went and bought one more last can of snuff. Finally, last Wednesday, July 23 I took my last dip, wrote my new introduction, caught well deserved hell for caving last time, answered the 3 questions, apologized to my quit group from last year, joined the Titans and quit dipping for good. I can't believe I drank the koolaid, believed the lies, crammed my mouth full of poison for 36 years! 36 years! If I get cancer tomorrow it will be 100% my fault and dipping would have been nothing but a long slow suicide.
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4 days clean and I've felt like a loser all damn day because I only have 4 days clean and I dipped for 36 years! But tonight a 1000+ day vet spent an hour talking to and encouraging me. These words of his from him to me rocked my world: Day 4 is a hell of a lot tougher than day 1,42343434343566 or whatever is way easier than day 4! Congrats! you had to work harder than I did to quit today!" 2 things: 1. that so encouraging to me that it is beyond words that I could ever use to explain it. And 2: some day when I have a comma, I'm gonna stay up all damn night helping a day 4 guy make it through because somebody did that for me!
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4 days clean and I've felt like a loser all damn day because I only have 4 days clean and I dipped for 36 years! But tonight a 1000+ day vet spent an hour talking to and encouraging me. These words of his from him to me rocked my world: Day 4 is a hell of a lot tougher than day 1,42343434343566 or whatever is way easier than day 4! Congrats! you had to work harder than I did to quit today!" 2 things: 1. that so encouraging to me that it is beyond words that I could ever use to explain it. And 2: some day when I have a comma, I'm gonna stay up all damn night helping a day 4 guy make it through because somebody did that for me!
And that, my freinds, is what this place is about.
Nice win, Red.
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
That quote was from my intro from my failed quit a year ago. The thing is I never really got involved last time and supported anybody or took any support from others. I really was alone, it was absolutely self imposed aloneness and that is why I failed. It did, however, teach me a good lesson - supporting and being supported is what this site is for and you get out of it what you put into it.
Thanks for your support bro! You have strengthened my quit today!
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
That quote was from my intro from my failed quit a year ago. The thing is I never really got involved last time and supported anybody or took any support from others. I really was alone, it was absolutely self imposed aloneness and that is why I failed. It did, however, teach me a good lesson - supporting and being supported is what this site is for and you get out of it what you put into it.
Thanks for your support bro! You have strengthened my quit today!
Even if you think you're alone, you're not.
'ninja'
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
That quote was from my intro from my failed quit a year ago. The thing is I never really got involved last time and supported anybody or took any support from others. I really was alone, it was absolutely self imposed aloneness and that is why I failed. It did, however, teach me a good lesson - supporting and being supported is what this site is for and you get out of it what you put into it.
Thanks for your support bro! You have strengthened my quit today!
Even if you think you're alone, you're not.
'ninja'
hey big red - interesting stuff going on with you- 36 years....I can relate - I'm @ day 40 after 34 years RED. Each day gets better and that no bullshi$$. Hydrate, exercise and beat the bitch down. I'm SULTAN PROUD and glad to be quit with you. I'm a PM away if needed. Old ES
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
That quote was from my intro from my failed quit a year ago. The thing is I never really got involved last time and supported anybody or took any support from others. I really was alone, it was absolutely self imposed aloneness and that is why I failed. It did, however, teach me a good lesson - supporting and being supported is what this site is for and you get out of it what you put into it.
Thanks for your support bro! You have strengthened my quit today!
Even if you think you're alone, you're not.
'ninja'
hey big red - interesting stuff going on with you- 36 years....I can relate - I'm @ day 40 after 34 years RED. Each day gets better and that no bullshi$$. Hydrate, exercise and beat the bitch down. I'm SULTAN PROUD and glad to be quit with you. I'm a PM away if needed. Old ES
Unpack what NOLAQ just wrote. That is the essence of this site. If you use this site properly, you quit with the herd.
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...I am totally on my own out here...
False. We're out here with you BRD. Proud to be quitting with you!
That quote was from my intro from my failed quit a year ago. The thing is I never really got involved last time and supported anybody or took any support from others. I really was alone, it was absolutely self imposed aloneness and that is why I failed. It did, however, teach me a good lesson - supporting and being supported is what this site is for and you get out of it what you put into it.
Thanks for your support bro! You have strengthened my quit today!
Even if you think you're alone, you're not.
'ninja'
Last time I thought I was alone. I realize now that I wasn't alone. Learning that, so far, has made all the difference. My quit now is radically different than it was last time or any of the other times before that. I have a band of brothers with Titans and veterans around here. Caving is not an option because it would be like stabbing them in the back and I will not do that!
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I'm at the end of day 5. I'm determined to post day 6 in the morning. I feel good about my quit, love my group - the Titans - and I"ve been working my butt off on this but I'm so tired! I have pretty much done nothing for the last 5 days other than work on my quit. I'm either on the forum, posting here, on live chat, or on Kakao all day long. My sister, the sober, recovered alkie says the first 30 days of recovery are a full time job and I believe it! I am absolutely committed to keep going. I'm not wavering or even thinking about caving. I'm just tired and for the first time in my quit I am anxious about how long I will be able to or need to maintain this level of intensity. Everybody further along than me says it gets easier and I believe that but I'm ready for it to start happening. This is not a cry for help. I just want to remember this and how much work it takes in the beginning to quit. I want to remember how hard I worked to remind my future dumb ass how hard it was to remind him that if he quits, we'll both have to do all of this again! I don't think I'm as crazy as that last sentence makes me sound but it is a good picture of how fried my brain is right now. haha!! In my next posts I will list what I'm doing at this point to work on my quit as well a contract with myself stating what I have to do before I'm "allowed" to cave.
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Big Red! Right there with you. It's going to start improving for you from here on out. It has been gradual for me. I finally slept more than 4-5 hours last night. Woke up without a headache. Keep the faith, our crew is tight, and above all I'm a call, text or group msg if you need anything. I know what you mean with quitting being a full time job. I just stay on here and Kakao myself. This is just the most important thing to me right now. It's like protecting a baby! Proud to call you a brother and quit with you!
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You two get it. Well done. You are winning!
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You two get it. Well done. You are winning!
Take advantage of those hrs awake... Read on this site. Read intros of those that are winning... Read HOF speeches, read the Kern story,,,,
You will be surprised how this helps. This does a couple things in my mind.... First, you are gaining knowledge on this war against nicotine and second, and most importantly, you accept that not sleeping is just part of the process. You don't look at it as a negative thing... It really isn't. You need to embrace it!
I didn't sleep well for a long time. I'd sit in my rack at night and read all I could. Then ... One day.... I went to bed and fell asleep. It was no big deal. Even today... If I have a sleepless night... I read on KTC. It is therapeutic.
Keep fighting today. You are winning. Quit with you all day.
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Big Red! Right there with you. It's going to start improving for you from here on out. It has been gradual for me. I finally slept more than 4-5 hours last night. Woke up without a headache. Keep the faith, our crew is tight, and above all I'm a call, text or group msg if you need anything. I know what you mean with quitting being a full time job. I just stay on here and Kakao myself. This is just the most important thing to me right now. It's like protecting a baby! Proud to call you a brother and quit with you!
Love being quit with you bro! I am, however, jealous of your possum experience. Haha I'm certain if I could have the same experience my quit would be at thousand times more solid!
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You two get it. Well done. You are winning!
Take advantage of those hrs awake... Read on this site. Read intros of those that are winning... Read HOF speeches, read the Kern story,,,,
You will be surprised how this helps. This does a couple things in my mind.... First, you are gaining knowledge on this war against nicotine and second, and most importantly, you accept that not sleeping is just part of the process. You don't look at it as a negative thing... It really isn't. You need to embrace it!
I didn't sleep well for a long time. I'd sit in my rack at night and read all I could. Then ... One day.... I went to bed and fell asleep. It was no big deal. Even today... If I have a sleepless night... I read on KTC. It is therapeutic.
Keep fighting today. You are winning. Quit with you all day.
Thanks for the advice and support! The Kern story should be required reading! It's absolutely heart breaking and life changing!
Kern story (http://caringbridgeclassic.org/mn/tomkern/history.htm)
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Big Red! Right there with you. It's going to start improving for you from here on out. It has been gradual for me. I finally slept more than 4-5 hours last night. Woke up without a headache. Keep the faith, our crew is tight, and above all I'm a call, text or group msg if you need anything. I know what you mean with quitting being a full time job. I just stay on here and Kakao myself. This is just the most important thing to me right now. It's like protecting a baby! Proud to call you a brother and quit with you!
Proud to be QUIT with both of you. Y'all becoming some Bad Ass Titans!
ENAV is right, have to protect that QUIT hard, especially while building up this foundation.
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I'm at the end of day 5. I'm determined to post day 6 in the morning. I feel good about my quit, love my group - the Titans - and I"ve been working my butt off on this but I'm so tired! I have pretty much done nothing for the last 5 days other than work on my quit. I'm either on the forum, posting here, on live chat, or on Kakao all day long. My sister, the sober, recovered alkie says the first 30 days of recovery are a full time job and I believe it! I am absolutely committed to keep going. I'm not wavering or even thinking about caving. I'm just tired and for the first time in my quit I am anxious about how long I will be able to or need to maintain this level of intensity. Everybody further along than me says it gets easier and I believe that but I'm ready for it to start happening. This is not a cry for help. I just want to remember this and how much work it takes in the beginning to quit. I want to remember how hard I worked to remind my future dumb ass how hard it was to remind him that if he quits, we'll both have to do all of this again! I don't think I'm as crazy as that last sentence makes me sound but it is a good picture of how fried my brain is right now. haha!! In my next posts I will list what I'm doing at this point to work on my quit as well a contract with myself stating what I have to do before I'm "allowed" to cave.
You have the right idea man--embrace the misery and fatigue of this first week and vow each day to stay quit so that you never have to go through it again. Like you, I had multiple stoppages without a true commitment to quit. Unlike you, each one was miserable...I was in a deep fog for 2-3 times EVERY time I stopped. I don't know how much your fatigue is related to all of the hard work of your quit versus just your body recovering from the nicotine you fed it over the years, but it really doesn't matter.
You made it 30 plus days the last time, so you did experience "normal" off of nicotine. You should start feeling better and better in the coming days and weeks. Enjoy it! Hold on to it! A whole new you is being born.
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I'm at the end of day 5. I'm determined to post day 6 in the morning. I feel good about my quit, love my group - the Titans - and I"ve been working my butt off on this but I'm so tired! I have pretty much done nothing for the last 5 days other than work on my quit. I'm either on the forum, posting here, on live chat, or on Kakao all day long. My sister, the sober, recovered alkie says the first 30 days of recovery are a full time job and I believe it! I am absolutely committed to keep going. I'm not wavering or even thinking about caving. I'm just tired and for the first time in my quit I am anxious about how long I will be able to or need to maintain this level of intensity. Everybody further along than me says it gets easier and I believe that but I'm ready for it to start happening. This is not a cry for help. I just want to remember this and how much work it takes in the beginning to quit. I want to remember how hard I worked to remind my future dumb ass how hard it was to remind him that if he quits, we'll both have to do all of this again! I don't think I'm as crazy as that last sentence makes me sound but it is a good picture of how fried my brain is right now. haha!! In my next posts I will list what I'm doing at this point to work on my quit as well a contract with myself stating what I have to do before I'm "allowed" to cave.
You have the right idea man--embrace the misery and fatigue of this first week and vow each day to stay quit so that you never have to go through it again. Like you, I had multiple stoppages without a true commitment to quit. Unlike you, each one was miserable...I was in a deep fog for 2-3 times EVERY time I stopped. I don't know how much your fatigue is related to all of the hard work of your quit versus just your body recovering from the nicotine you fed it over the years, but it really doesn't matter.
You made it 30 plus days the last time, so you did experience "normal" off of nicotine. You should start feeling better and better in the coming days and weeks. Enjoy it! Hold on to it! A whole new you is being born.
This is super encouraging! Thanks for this. I had not thought about the idea that my fatigue may be a result of my body healing itself. That makes a lot of sense and helps a lot!
Thanks! My quit is stronger today because of you!
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Day 8.
The fog has finally lifted! That was 4 days of pure hell! I intended to write this post 3 days ago but have been too brain dead to formulate a sentence but I feel 1000% percent better now than I have since I quit so I'm going to give it a go
I want to remember how hard I had to work in the beginning to solidify my quit for my future self.
Here is a list of the things in no particular order that I'm doing to stay quit at this point.
1. posting roll every day as soon as I wake up
2. Reading a ton of stuff on here - mostly introductions and cancer stories at this point
3. googling lip cancer a lot. I even have a lip cancer pic as my wall paper on my phone.
4. Spending almost every waking hour on the kakao app with the Titans or in Live Chat talking to vets.
5. Supporting the November group with posts on their intros.
6. Popping the rubber band on my wrist every time I want a dip.
7. writing encouraging pms to friends I've made.
8. I was eating sunflower seeds like a crazy person but that has torn my mouth up way more than snuff ever did. I haven't done that in a few days. Mostly I'm chewing a lot of gum. I haven't done the fake stuff because I'm afraid of it. I caved on a stop once all because I took a "dip" of Smokey Mountain.
9. Surviving the nights reading on KTC. I still can't sleep. It took me 3 hours to get sleep last night.
10. Researching everything I can find on nicotine addiction and recovery.
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Day Freaking 10!
Double Digits! I can't wait until I add another digit!
The last 2 days have been awesome.
No fog or rage, and I only had 2 major craves yesterday.
Crave 1. We had a bunch of family over for a barbecue. Grilling brought on a massive crave. I beat that sucker down, with a few texts, some push ups and a fat dip of herbal tea which was shockingly not bad.
Crave 2. I had major crave mid-afternoon and got on kakao (pvt chat app with my group and some awesome vets) and this guy was having a major crisis and was craving bad. I spent the next 15 minutes texting back and forth with him and talked him off the ledge. Afterwards, I remembered why I was even talking to him - because I was craving bad. I had totally forgot about it.
Lesson learned: Helping a brother out helps me. Strengthening somebody else's quit strengthens my quit. I already knew that but it has now been nailed down, framed, and filled in with concrete.
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Day Freaking 10!
Double Digits! I can't wait until I add another digit!
The last 2 days have been awesome.
No fog or rage, and I only had 2 major craves yesterday.
Crave 1. We had a bunch of family over for a barbecue. Grilling brought on a massive crave. I beat that sucker down, with a few texts, some push ups and a fat dip of herbal tea which was shockingly not bad.
Crave 2. I had major crave mid-afternoon and got on kakao (pvt chat app with my group and some awesome vets) and this guy was having a major crisis and was craving bad. I spent the next 15 minutes texting back and forth with him and talked him off the ledge. Afterwards, I remembered why I was even talking to him - because I was craving bad. I had totally forgot about it.
Lesson learned: Helping a brother out helps me. Strengthening somebody else's quit strengthens my quit. I already knew that but it has now been nailed down, framed, and filled in with concrete.
Nice bro!
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Day Freaking 10!
Double Digits! I can't wait until I add another digit!
The last 2 days have been awesome.
No fog or rage, and I only had 2 major craves yesterday.
Crave 1. We had a bunch of family over for a barbecue. Grilling brought on a massive crave. I beat that sucker down, with a few texts, some push ups and a fat dip of herbal tea which was shockingly not bad.
Crave 2. I had major crave mid-afternoon and got on kakao (pvt chat app with my group and some awesome vets) and this guy was having a major crisis and was craving bad. I spent the next 15 minutes texting back and forth with him and talked him off the ledge. Afterwards, I remembered why I was even talking to him - because I was craving bad. I had totally forgot about it.
Lesson learned: Helping a brother out helps me. Strengthening somebody else's quit strengthens my quit. I already knew that but it has now been nailed down, framed, and filled in with concrete.
Nice bro!
Well done. You are getting it.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
Well done, BRD, well done!
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Day 8.
The fog has finally lifted! That was 4 days of pure hell! I intended to write this post 3 days ago but have been too brain dead to formulate a sentence but I feel 1000% percent better now than I have since I quit so I'm going to give it a go
I want to remember how hard I had to work in the beginning to solidify my quit for my future self.
Here is a list of the things in no particular order that I'm doing to stay quit at this point.
6. Popping the rubber band on my wrist every time I want a dip.
Wonder where you got that one from......
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
The difference in your QUIT is noticeable, even to someone who didn't see the first one.
You're a huge part of our Group QUIT and I thank-you for that. QLF ODAAT
Tom
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
The difference in your QUIT is noticeable, even to someone who didn't see the first one.
You're a huge part of our Group QUIT and I thank-you for that. QLF ODAAT
Tom
Thanks bro!
I will quit with you all day long!
#texasforever!
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I'm trying very hard to reinforce to myself that I don't crave. I don't use Tobacco so why would I crave it? I don't crave raw Sushi, rocky mountain oysters, huffing paint or getting banged in the ass, so why would I crave nicotine? I don't dip Copenhagon, nor do I enjoy it. "Craving" it, gives it power over me. Now, I am addicted to Nicotine, always will be and the Nic Bitch tries to tell me that I want, need and desire her, but she is a liar. I severed the dysfunctinal relationship I had with her. I don't dip!
This is a quote from a post on the October '14 Titans board and I want to remember it. I love this idea! I wouldn't say it exactly like this hahah but I love it and I'm going to use it!
Why should I crave something that I don't do? Why should I crave something that I don't enjoy and didn't enjoy even when I did it?
"I DON'T DIP" that's my new mantra
Thanks for posting this Tom! I love the way you quit!
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I'm trying very hard to reinforce to myself that I don't crave. I don't use Tobacco so why would I crave it? I don't crave raw Sushi, rocky mountain oysters, huffing paint or getting banged in the ass, so why would I crave nicotine? I don't dip Copenhagon, nor do I enjoy it. "Craving" it, gives it power over me. Now, I am addicted to Nicotine, always will be and the Nic Bitch tries to tell me that I want, need and desire her, but she is a liar. I severed the dysfunctinal relationship I had with her. I don't dip!
This is a quote from a post on the October '14 Titans board and I want to remember it. I love this idea! I wouldn't say it exactly like this hahah but I love it and I'm going to use it!
Why should I crave something that I don't do? Why should I crave something that I don't enjoy and didn't enjoy even when I did it?
"I DON'T DIP" that's my new mantra
Thanks for posting this Tom! I love the way you quit!
Bigreddude44-
You've got a strong QUIT going on and you are motivating others to stay QUIT. I really enjoy your commitment to stay QUIT and help others. BIGREDUDE you make my quit stronger and I appreciate that.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
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Dude, you are true inspiration. I'm honored to be quitting with you.
King Solomon was right:
"Two are better than one...
If either of them falls down, one can help the other up.
But pity anyone who falls and has no one to help them up.
Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.
A cord of three strands is not quickly broken."
[Ecclesiastes 4:9, 10, 12]
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dude, you are true inspiration. I'm honored to be quitting with you.
King Solomon was right:
"Two are better than one...
If either of them falls down, one can help the other up.
But pity anyone who falls and has no one to help them up.
Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.
A cord of three strands is not quickly broken."
[Ecclesiastes 4:9, 10, 12]
Thanks man! You inspire me a ton as well! This is one of my favorite verses!! 2 are better than one = we are not alone! I started to text you today and say something like: "we have so much in common we should talk more often." But then I thought, we barely have anything in common. You're from New York, I'm from Texas. You've never seen a ranch. I grew up on one. You've never been hunting. I've hunted all my life. You love baseball. I can't stay awake for a game to save my life. However, we both love Jesus and we both hate that whore Nicky so ya, we do have a lot in common. At least the stuff that really matters anyway! Haha
I Quit with you all day long, bro! All day long! And ya, we should talk more often!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
Hey Big Red, you're starting to draw attention to yourself....and I mean that in a good way. I'm guessing you're gonna be the kind of quitter that other quitters look up to. Nicely done so far! Quitting with you all day!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
Hey Big Red, you're starting to draw attention to yourself....and I mean that in a good way. I'm guessing you're gonna be the kind of quitter that other quitters look up to. Nicely done so far! Quitting with you all day!
Your doing a great job of building that network around you. Take a look at it. See the folks standing beside you. See the folks looking up to you. And know that if you cave you could take some of those folks down with you. True statement bro. This is actually a good thing. By being a part in others Quit, it solidifies your Quit. When those dreaded thoughts of "just one won't hurt" come, and they will, you will remember all those that stand with you and it will enable you to continue to stand. Proud to be quit with you.
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Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
Me too bro!! So freaking glad I quit when I did! One day later and I would have missed out on being in the October group! I cannot begin to tell you how pumped I am to be a Titan!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
Hey Big Red, you're starting to draw attention to yourself....and I mean that in a good way. I'm guessing you're gonna be the kind of quitter that other quitters look up to. Nicely done so far! Quitting with you all day!
Your doing a great job of building that network around you. Take a look at it. See the folks standing beside you. See the folks looking up to you. And know that if you cave you could take some of those folks down with you. True statement bro. This is actually a good thing. By being a part in others Quit, it solidifies your Quit. When those dreaded thoughts of "just one won't hurt" come, and they will, you will remember all those that stand with you and it will enable you to continue to stand. Proud to be quit with you.
Nice work red!
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Bigreddude44 -day 13 - I'll never be on day 12 again!
This is my roll post from February 14, 2013 during my last failed attempt at quitting. Its pretty much a kick in the face because here I am, AGAIN, on day 12. However, it is also a reminder to me of the stark differences between that day 12 and this day 12.
That day 12
I had zero numbers in my phone.
I communicated with no one about my quit.
I felt like I was all alone.
Posting roll was just about all I did to work on my quit.
I was consumed with the thought of how awful life without snuff was going to be.
I never considered helping someone on the edge of a cave.
This day 12
I have 11 numbers in my phone.
I communicate everyday with almost all of them.
I feel like, no I know that I am not alone in this.
Posting roll is just the beginning of what I do every day to work on my quit.
I am consumed with the thought of how awesome a life without snuff will be.
I am a crusader for those on edge of a cave. - Seriously, talking someone off of a ledge fires me up! Hit me up! I will fight for you!
I could go on and on but suffice it to say the differences between then and now are vast.
Last time I was playing quit, this time I am quit.
I just got Quit wood!
Way to go BRD!
I'm not gonna lie Norlaq, when you comment positively on one of my posts, it's like my Dad walked in the room and patted me on the back! Thanks for everything you've done to help me kick the nic-B to the curb!
Please make no mistake BRD, reading that kind of stuff just helps me pick my head up when shit is hitting the perverbial fan. I'm not Superman. I need support too. I'm just another addict trying to help, and in return, looking for and getting help from other addicts like you. You newer guys need to get it in your heads that YOU all are helping just as much as you think 'we' are.
Quit on brother.
some good shit here ^^
BRD, the first time around you just stuck your toe in the water, but this time you jumped right in; what a difference! This is one of the reasons new quitters need to read intro threads. Posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but you don't have a building if you stop at the cornerstone... You are a great example of owning your quit by working your quit. I promise you that one day soon your quit will become much easier, but until then keep working it balls out brother! QLF with you all day! Woo! I'm fired up now baby, great stuff going on here!
You're shaping up to be a bad ass quitter. I'm damned proud to be quit with you, Red.
Red... this is awesome!! Man, I feel like walking outside and punching the nic bitch clean in the uterus! Keep up the good fight brother.
Big Red Dude is a big nic Killa! Proud to be ya Cajun quit brotha from another motha!
BRD, Just stumbled on your Intro now! I can tell you really WANT to quit this time!!! Embrace everything (almost) you find here. Folks that go in with both feet, open up to complete strangers, and stick around are the most likely to stay quit for the long haul. You won't find better support than here anywhere!!! You might even make a few (or many) friends here along the way in your quit journey as well. I am going on 6 years quit and still post my promise daily now after using for as long or longer than you whether it was dip, smokes or both!!! Had my first smoke in the 2nd grade and the rest was history. Proud to be quit with you and enav today!!! Keep up the good fight! Its WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn glad BRD posted his day 1 before the cut off date. He has made October a stronger quit group.
Hey Big Red, you're starting to draw attention to yourself....and I mean that in a good way. I'm guessing you're gonna be the kind of quitter that other quitters look up to. Nicely done so far! Quitting with you all day!
Your doing a great job of building that network around you. Take a look at it. See the folks standing beside you. See the folks looking up to you. And know that if you cave you could take some of those folks down with you. True statement bro. This is actually a good thing. By being a part in others Quit, it solidifies your Quit. When those dreaded thoughts of "just one won't hurt" come, and they will, you will remember all those that stand with you and it will enable you to continue to stand. Proud to be quit with you.
Nice work red!
You're a real inspiration Red. I went to pilot training at Reese AFB and all three of my kids go to TTU. I'm a recovering 37 year dipper - I'm on day 165 of my quit. It really didn't start to get easier until about 140 - 150 days for me. I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer and hope your quit is easier than mine. I prayed before my quit and asked Jesus to give me the strength and perseverance to see this thru. He has filled his end of the bargain - I'll never dip again but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck because it does suck!!! It just took 150 days for the suck to become manageable for me. I laughed hard at your comment about opening day of dove season and dipping (it opens the first Saturday in Sep, not necessarily 1 SEP ). I just can't imagine opening day without a dip - oh well, never again. NAFAR!!
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Day 27
Its been 15 days since i posted in here and man, have things changed. People kept telling me it gets easier and it has! I haven't had any fog in 10+ days, no rage - but I never really had that anyway, and very few cravings if any at all. I spent 5 days at the ranch doing some work getting ready for hunting season - without a dip!! I have NEVER done that before and it was shockingly not that big of a deal. Honestly, it is kind of scary how easy it has been lately.
My biggest fear at this point is that I will become complacent and then get blindsided when it gets rough again which I have no doubt it will at some point. To prepare for that I am continuing to stay connected by texting my quit brothers on a regular basis, checking in with guys that are late on roll, as well as reading, chatting, and helping out where I can.
Another thing I have added to my quit that has been incredibly helpful is adding another roll post. I created a text group with 7 family members and close friends that have been extra supportive of my quit. Every day after I post roll on KTC, I go and post roll in that group as well. I cannot begin to explain how helpful it has been to commit to be nicotine free to people that I will actually see almost every day.
Things are pretty good right now and while they are I am shoring things up, burning bridges, and preparing myself so when the tough days do come I will be ready to survive them.
I would love to hear from the old timers around here about this. Is it normal for it to be this easy at this point? Am I missing something? Is there anything else I need to do during this time to prepare for tough times that inevitably will come?
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Day 27
Its been 15 days since i posted in here and man, have things changed. People kept telling me it gets easier and it has! I haven't had any fog in 10+ days, no rage - but I never really had that anyway, and very few cravings if any at all. I spent 5 days at the ranch doing some work getting ready for hunting season - without a dip!! I have NEVER done that before and it was shockingly not that big of a deal. Honestly, it is kind of scary how easy it has been lately.
My biggest fear at this point is that I will become complacent and then get blindsided when it gets rough again which I have no doubt it will at some point. To prepare for that I am continuing to stay connected by texting my quit brothers on a regular basis, checking in with guys that are late on roll, as well as reading, chatting, and helping out where I can.
Another thing I have added to my quit that has been incredibly helpful is adding another roll post. I created a text group with 7 family members and close friends that have been extra supportive of my quit. Every day after I post roll on KTC, I go and post roll in that group as well. I cannot begin to explain how helpful it has been to commit to be nicotine free to people that I will actually see almost every day.
Things are pretty good right now and while they are I am shoring things up, burning bridges, and preparing myself so when the tough days do come I will be ready to survive them.
I would love to hear from the old timers around here about this. Is it normal for it to be this easy at this point? Am I missing something? Is there anything else I need to do during this time to prepare for tough times that inevitably will come?
Honestly man, when times are good...enjoy the fuck out of them.
But, plan as well. You're spreading your accountability around into your real life. That's awesome. Have you picked up a new quitter and helped him get through the first few days? Are you talking to your new friends about other stuff besides quitting and cultivating friendships? Are you planning to be quit?
When times are good...plan for the bad. Build defenses. Strengthen the bars you put on the door. When times are bad, lean.
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Day 27
Its been 15 days since i posted in here and man, have things changed. People kept telling me it gets easier and it has! I haven't had any fog in 10+ days, no rage - but I never really had that anyway, and very few cravings if any at all. I spent 5 days at the ranch doing some work getting ready for hunting season - without a dip!! I have NEVER done that before and it was shockingly not that big of a deal. Honestly, it is kind of scary how easy it has been lately.
My biggest fear at this point is that I will become complacent and then get blindsided when it gets rough again which I have no doubt it will at some point. To prepare for that I am continuing to stay connected by texting my quit brothers on a regular basis, checking in with guys that are late on roll, as well as reading, chatting, and helping out where I can.
Another thing I have added to my quit that has been incredibly helpful is adding another roll post. I created a text group with 7 family members and close friends that have been extra supportive of my quit. Every day after I post roll on KTC, I go and post roll in that group as well. I cannot begin to explain how helpful it has been to commit to be nicotine free to people that I will actually see almost every day.
Things are pretty good right now and while they are I am shoring things up, burning bridges, and preparing myself so when the tough days do come I will be ready to survive them.
I would love to hear from the old timers around here about this. Is it normal for it to be this easy at this point? Am I missing something? Is there anything else I need to do during this time to prepare for tough times that inevitably will come?
Honestly man, when times are good...enjoy the fuck out of them.
But, plan as well. You're spreading your accountability around into your real life. That's awesome. Have you picked up a new quitter and helped him get through the first few days? Are you talking to your new friends about other stuff besides quitting and cultivating friendships? Are you planning to be quit?
When times are good...plan for the bad. Build defenses. Strengthen the bars you put on the door. When times are bad, lean.
Good advice! I just pm'd a couple of day 2 guys!
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Thanks for sharing - I loved your comparison between you last attempt and this one --huge difference and a bunch for me to learn...... I am on my second round -
HOF May - caved in June!
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Day 27
Its been 15 days since i posted in here and man, have things changed. People kept telling me it gets easier and it has! I haven't had any fog in 10+ days, no rage - but I never really had that anyway, and very few cravings if any at all. I spent 5 days at the ranch doing some work getting ready for hunting season - without a dip!! I have NEVER done that before and it was shockingly not that big of a deal. Honestly, it is kind of scary how easy it has been lately.
My biggest fear at this point is that I will become complacent and then get blindsided when it gets rough again which I have no doubt it will at some point. To prepare for that I am continuing to stay connected by texting my quit brothers on a regular basis, checking in with guys that are late on roll, as well as reading, chatting, and helping out where I can.
Another thing I have added to my quit that has been incredibly helpful is adding another roll post. I created a text group with 7 family members and close friends that have been extra supportive of my quit. Every day after I post roll on KTC, I go and post roll in that group as well. I cannot begin to explain how helpful it has been to commit to be nicotine free to people that I will actually see almost every day.
Things are pretty good right now and while they are I am shoring things up, burning bridges, and preparing myself so when the tough days do come I will be ready to survive them.
I would love to hear from the old timers around here about this. Is it normal for it to be this easy at this point? Am I missing something? Is there anything else I need to do during this time to prepare for tough times that inevitably will come?
Honestly man, when times are good...enjoy the fuck out of them.
But, plan as well. You're spreading your accountability around into your real life. That's awesome. Have you picked up a new quitter and helped him get through the first few days? Are you talking to your new friends about other stuff besides quitting and cultivating friendships? Are you planning to be quit?
When times are good...plan for the bad. Build defenses. Strengthen the bars you put on the door. When times are bad, lean.
Good advice! I just pm'd a couple of day 2 guys!
My quit was the same... it was "easy" other than a few craves pretty early.
It honestly scared the shit out of me. I knew that keeping my guard up would be something that I would struggle with- that I would have to deliberately and purposefully keep that guard up.
Roll Call is my lock and load.
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Thanks for sharing - I loved your comparison between you last attempt and this one --huge difference and a bunch for me to learn...... I am on my second round -
HOF May - caved in June!
Thanks man. I'm my glad my ramblings were helpful to you! Stories like yours scare the crap out of me! It blows my mind how many times I hear about guys that make it to the HOF and then cave. I want to learn from guys who have been down that road so it doesn't happen to me! What happened? If you could go back in time to your 100th day what would you tell yourself to save your quit??
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Thanks for sharing - I loved your comparison between you last attempt and this one --huge difference and a bunch for me to learn...... I am on my second round -
HOF May - caved in June!
Thanks man. I'm my glad my ramblings were helpful to you! Stories like yours scare the crap out of me! It blows my mind how many times I hear about guys that make it to the HOF and then cave. I want to learn from guys who have been down that road so it doesn't happen to me! What happened? If you could go back in time to your 100th day what would you tell yourself to save your quit??
BRD, I had a few longish stoppages before I found KTC, and my downfall each time was thinking that I could have just one. I did not have the understanding that I was a nicotine addict. I did not have the knowledge of how nicotine addiction works. I was romanticizing the poison, and had no hatred for the scum-bag, soulless drug pushers who sell the poison. I thought I had this quitting thing down and could quit anytime. I had forgotten day 1. Also, I had next to no accountability built up.
My quit has been so easy for a while now, and it is so easy to forget the hell I went through to get here, and how long it took me between stoppages to work up the will to try and quit again. Stay in the trenches here. Helping week 1 quitters helps you remember the hell of early quit, and builds your accountability. Basically, keep doing what you've been doing, and be ready to use every tool you have if you need to. Great quit going on here, keep it up. QLF with you all day.
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Thanks for sharing - I loved your comparison between you last attempt and this one --huge difference and a bunch for me to learn...... I am on my second round -
HOF May - caved in June!
Thanks man. I'm my glad my ramblings were helpful to you! Stories like yours scare the crap out of me! It blows my mind how many times I hear about guys that make it to the HOF and then cave. I want to learn from guys who have been down that road so it doesn't happen to me! What happened? If you could go back in time to your 100th day what would you tell yourself to save your quit??
BRD, I had a few longish stoppages before I found KTC, and my downfall each time was thinking that I could have just one. I did not have the understanding that I was a nicotine addict. I did not have the knowledge of how nicotine addiction works. I was romanticizing the poison, and had no hatred for the scum-bag, soulless drug pushers who sell the poison. I thought I had this quitting thing down and could quit anytime. I had forgotten day 1. Also, I had next to no accountability built up.
My quit has been so easy for a while now, and it is so easy to forget the hell I went through to get here, and how long it took me between stoppages to work up the will to try and quit again. Stay in the trenches here. Helping week 1 quitters helps you remember the hell of early quit, and builds your accountability. Basically, keep doing what you've been doing, and be ready to use every tool you have if you need to. Great quit going on here, keep it up. QLF with you all day.
You are way more involved here this time-- keep it up! You gotta stay involved. The addiction attempts to make you separate out, the bitch whispers that she'll keep you company, she's been there for you all these years, every time. She keeps doing that, so learn really well how to slap it back and kick her to the curb, every time. Learn how to do other things in those situations that make you feel good.
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I've posted part of this other places on the board and I wanted to post it here so I would remember it.
Last week I went on the first hunting trip of my entire life without crap in my mouth. Beforehand, I had tons of thoughts like: "How am I gonna do this without a dip?" or "I can't go hunting without a dip!" etc. etc. etc But then a really simple thought popped into my head that changed everything.
"I love to hunt, why do I need poison in my mouth to enjoy it?"
I know its a not mind blowing, earth shattering revelation but its the truth and it worked. I also planned ahead and took plenty of fake dip and let several quit brothers know where I was going to be and stayed in contact with them while I was there. I know the mantra here is ODAAT and I wholeheartedly agree with it but I think there are times that planning ahead is a good idea especially when it comes to activities that have been strongly associated with dipping in the past and hunting and dipping were like guns and ammo to me. Neither was any good without the other.
That line of thinking now makes me want to flip crap over and throw stuff through walls! "I can't enjoy something that I absolutely love without slowly killing myself while I do it." Really?? What the crap kind of thinking is that? That is so freaking stupid because every time i sat in a deer blind one thing was certain, I may or may not have killed a deer but I was dang sure killing me!
I'm glad those days are behind me and I live to hunt another day. 'Remshot'
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I've posted part of this other places on the board and I wanted to post it here so I would remember it.
Last week I went on the first hunting trip of my entire life without crap in my mouth. Beforehand, I had tons of thoughts like: "How am I gonna do this without a dip?" or "I can't go hunting without a dip!" etc. etc. etc But then a really simple thought popped into my head that changed everything.
"I love to hunt, why do I need poison in my mouth to enjoy it?"
I know its a not mind blowing, earth shattering revelation but its the truth and it worked. I also planned ahead and took plenty of fake dip and let several quit brothers know where I was going to be and stayed in contact with them while I was there. I know the mantra here is ODAAT and I wholeheartedly agree with it but I think there are times that planning ahead is a good idea especially when it comes to activities that have been strongly associated with dipping in the past and hunting and dipping were like guns and ammo to me. Neither was any good without the other.
That line of thinking now makes me want to flip crap over and throw stuff through walls! "I can't enjoy something that I absolutely love without slowly killing myself while I do it." Really?? What the crap kind of thinking is that? That is so freaking stupid because every time i sat in a deer blind one thing was certain, I may or may not have killed a deer but I was dang sure killing me!
I'm glad those days are behind me and I live to hunt another day. 'Remshot'
^^^^ BigRed knows what he's talking about. Keep up the great QUIT brother. Burn the Boats, feed the wolf. I'll quit with you every day.
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I've posted part of this other places on the board and I wanted to post it here so I would remember it.
Last week I went on the first hunting trip of my entire life without crap in my mouth. Beforehand, I had tons of thoughts like: "How am I gonna do this without a dip?" or "I can't go hunting without a dip!" etc. etc. etc But then a really simple thought popped into my head that changed everything.
"I love to hunt, why do I need poison in my mouth to enjoy it?"
I know its a not mind blowing, earth shattering revelation but its the truth and it worked. I also planned ahead and took plenty of fake dip and let several quit brothers know where I was going to be and stayed in contact with them while I was there. I know the mantra here is ODAAT and I wholeheartedly agree with it but I think there are times that planning ahead is a good idea especially when it comes to activities that have been strongly associated with dipping in the past and hunting and dipping were like guns and ammo to me. Neither was any good without the other.
That line of thinking now makes me want to flip crap over and throw stuff through walls! "I can't enjoy something that I absolutely love without slowly killing myself while I do it." Really?? What the crap kind of thinking is that? That is so freaking stupid because every time i sat in a deer blind one thing was certain, I may or may not have killed a deer but I was dang sure killing me!
I'm glad those days are behind me and I live to hunt another day. 'Remshot'
Great Post BigRed. Keep Quittin!
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
rusty shackle-ford- day 18 had some nic gum today, what a hell of a day
This has got to be the funniest roll post ever! And he got roasted too!
Check it out here: topic/1009696/356/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1009696/356/)
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I've posted part of this other places on the board and I wanted to post it here so I would remember it.
Last week I went on the first hunting trip of my entire life without crap in my mouth. Beforehand, I had tons of thoughts like: "How am I gonna do this without a dip?" or "I can't go hunting without a dip!" etc. etc. etc But then a really simple thought popped into my head that changed everything.
"I love to hunt, why do I need poison in my mouth to enjoy it?"
I know its a not mind blowing, earth shattering revelation but its the truth and it worked. I also planned ahead and took plenty of fake dip and let several quit brothers know where I was going to be and stayed in contact with them while I was there. I know the mantra here is ODAAT and I wholeheartedly agree with it but I think there are times that planning ahead is a good idea especially when it comes to activities that have been strongly associated with dipping in the past and hunting and dipping were like guns and ammo to me. Neither was any good without the other.
That line of thinking now makes me want to flip crap over and throw stuff through walls! "I can't enjoy something that I absolutely love without slowly killing myself while I do it." Really?? What the crap kind of thinking is that? That is so freaking stupid because every time i sat in a deer blind one thing was certain, I may or may not have killed a deer but I was dang sure killing me!
I'm glad those days are behind me and I live to hunt another day. 'Remshot'
^^^^ BigRed knows what he's talking about. Keep up the great QUIT brother. Burn the Boats, feed the wolf. I'll quit with you every day.
I'm feeding one wolf and killing the other one!!
Quit All day, Every day with you Stevo!
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Day 26
Some interesting research:
on Nicotine as a dopamine releasing drug, ala heroin and other opiates:
"Nicotine and opiates are very different drugs, but the endpoint, with respect to the control of dopamine signaling, is almost identical. It demonstrates the seriousness of tobacco addiction, equating its grip on the individual to that of heroin. It reinforces the fact that these addictions are very physiological in nature and that breaking away from the habit is certainly more than just mind over matter."- Daniel McGehee, University of Chicago Medical Center."The 10 Hardest Drugs to Kick"
- by Jacqueline Detwiler
The chemical makeup of drugs guarantee that certain drugs are more addictive than others. The hardest ones to kick actually train your brain to crave them. A team of researchers led by professor David Nutt of London's Imperial College recently set out to determine which drugs were most harmful based on their addictive properties. Dutch scientists replicated the London study and devised a "dependency rating" that measured addictive potency of the biggest drugs out there on a precisely calibrated scale of 0-to-3.
1. Heroin - 2.89
2. Crack Cocaine - 2.82
3. Nicotine - 2.82 (tied with Crack for second "most addictive and hardest to kick" drug!!!)
4. Methadone - 2.68
5. Crystal Meth - 2.24
6. Alcohol - 2.13
7. Cocaine - 2.13
8. Amphetamines - 1.95
9. Benzodiazepines - 1.89
10. GHB - 1.71
on the first 100 days:
"There is growing evidence that on average, it takes about 90 days for the brain to break free of the immediate effects of the drug and reset itself. Researchers at Yale University call this 90-to-100 day period the 'sleeper effect,' a time during which the brain's proper... functions gradually recover."- Tony O'Neill, in his article, "The 100-Day Hangover""Whatever substance you're detoxing from, there's always an attachment. We're talking about people who are cutting off something that has started to feel as vital to them as the air they breathe. So you inevitably go through this painful period of wrenching yourself away from it, and now you're feeling lousy. It's pretty common for many recovering addicts to ask, 'Is this the reward I get for getting clean?' Most people are led to believe that once they stop using, their life will start to get better, when in reality this next period can really suck. But it gets better."- Dr. Arnold Washton, author of Willpower is Not Enough: Recovering From Addictions of Every Kind on not replacing nicotine-addiction with other dopamine-releasing-addictions:
"If you stop using your drug of choice but continue to use alcohol or another drug, you're saying that you don't want to learn new coping skills and that you don't want to change your life. You're saying that you want to continue to rely on drugs or alcohol to escape, relax, and reward yourself. But if you don't learn those new skills, then you won't have changed, and your addiction will catch up with you all over again.- www.AddictionsAndRecovery.org (http://www.AddictionsAndRecovery.org)I read another article (can't find it now to post the quotes) that essentially explained that "addicts are addicts." Meaning, after nicotine has left the body, our cravings are not really cravings for nicotine... they're cravings for dopamine. After years of nicotine use we've created extra "gates" in our brain through which the excess amount of dopamine was able to get to the brain. Now that we've stopped using, those "gates" are huuuungry. We get normal-sized shots of dopamine when we eat, have sex, exercise, complete tasks, etc... but we may also find our cravings pop up soon after (like the post-meal crave)... that's because the brain is used to getting bigger drops of dopamine at a time... so the natural ways we produce it aren't equal to the unnatural/drug-induced ways. So it wants more. The brain doesn't know (or care) what source is feeding it the excessive amounts of dopamine it's used to. So, often nicotine quitters will transition to another addiction - usually alcohol - and they're not actually breaking addiction at all, only shifting it to a new dopamine-source. The article advised steering clear of all drugs/alcohol during the first 100 days of nicotine-quitting so that the brain has time to recover and re-learn proper balance.
Some awesome info on addiction from David.M's intro. I'm posting it here because I want to remember it.
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
BigRedDude44- day 34 - smokey and the bandit trans am
Day 34
This is my last post from my failed quit with the May 2013 quit group. I've been looking forward to as well as dreading this day since I came back, took my licks, answered the 3 questions, and started over.
I've been looking forward to it because this day represents a huge milestone in my journey with snuff because 34 days is the all time record of days that I've ever gone without a dip. I've been looking forward to not having to admit that one time it the past i made it to more days than I currently have. And I've really been looking forward to Kicking this day in the butt and blowing through it to day 35.
On the other hand, I have been dreading this day because I knew that I would, and should, spend today reflecting on what an idiot I was that day. I honestly don't think I was planning to cave when I posted roll that day but I know it was in the back of my mind that I would be in a dangerous situation that night that I needed to prepare for, which of course I didn't.
I was flying to Baton Rouge, LA a day early for a gig and would have ample time on my hands with nothing to do. I should have called somebody, bought some fake, done something, but I didn't do a Daddgumm thing and around 10:30 pm I left my hotel room and bought a can. I was convinced that that first dip would be the best dip of my life because my lip was all healed up, the nicotine was completely out of my system and I just knew I'd get a buzz. So without thinking for one second about crapping all over my quit brothers here I opened the can crammed that crap in my mouth and to my dismay it wasn't really that good. No buzz, no burst of flavor, nothing. The only good thing about it was that it didn't hurt like hell but that only lasted for the first half of a can. I remember telling myself, "Don't worry. Just keep dipping. It'll get better." So I did and 400 plus cans and a year and half later it did nothing but get worse every single time. Talk about drinking the nicotine kool-aid! I can't believe I was that stupid! "Just keep dipping, it'll get better." Really?
So here I am, again, on day 34. The difference this time is that this is the last time I will ever be on day 34. There are many reasons why this is the last day 34 for me, most of which I covered in my "That day 12 - This day 12 post" but the biggest difference this time is the bonds and relationships I've built with my quit brothers (and sister). These are not just simply my accountability partners, they are becoming my friends. And I couldn't live with myself if I let them down and I refuse to do anything to hurt them or weaken their quit.
With their help, today I have tied my most days ever without a dip. Tomorrow I will surpass it.
Again, last time i was playing quit. This time I am quit!
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
BigRedDude44- day 34 - smokey and the bandit trans am
Day 34
This is my last post from my failed quit with the May 2013 quit group. I've been looking forward to as well as dreading this day since I came back, took my licks, answered the 3 questions, and started over.
I've been looking forward to it because this day represents a huge milestone in my journey with snuff because 34 days is the all time record of days that I've ever gone without a dip. I've been looking forward to not having to admit that one time it the past i made it to more days than I currently have. And I've really been looking forward to Kicking this day in the butt and blowing through it to day 35.
On the other hand, I have been dreading this day because I knew that I would, and should, spend today reflecting on what an idiot I was that day. I honestly don't think I was planning to cave when I posted roll that day but I know it was in the back of my mind that I would be in a dangerous situation that night that I needed to prepare for, which of course I didn't.
I was flying to Baton Rouge, LA a day early for a gig and would have ample time on my hands with nothing to do. I should have called somebody, bought some fake, done something, but I didn't do a Daddgumm thing and around 10:30 pm I left my hotel room and bought a can. I was convinced that that first dip would be the best dip of my life because my lip was all healed up, the nicotine was completely out of my system and I just knew I'd get a buzz. So without thinking for one second about crapping all over my quit brothers here I opened the can crammed that crap in my mouth and to my dismay it wasn't really that good. No buzz, no burst of flavor, nothing. The only good thing about it was that it didn't hurt like hell but that only lasted for the first half of a can. I remember telling myself, "Don't worry. Just keep dipping. It'll get better." So I did and 400 plus cans and a year and half later it did nothing but get worse every single time. Talk about drinking the nicotine kool-aid! I can't believe I was that stupid! "Just keep dipping, it'll get better." Really?
So here I am, again, on day 34. The difference this time is that this is the last time I will ever be on day 34. There are many reasons why this is the last day 34 for me, most of which I covered in my "That day 12 - This day 12 post" but the biggest difference this time is the bonds and relationships I've built with my quit brothers (and sister). These are not just simply my accountability partners, they are becoming my friends. And I couldn't live with myself if I let them down and I refuse to do anything to hurt them or weaken their quit.
With their help, today I have tied my most days ever without a dip. Tomorrow I will surpass it.
Again, last time i was playing quit. This time I am quit!
Keep it up, you are doing it this time. It's real. Keep learning and sharing. That last post re dopamine was great- thanks!
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
BigRedDude44- day 34 - smokey and the bandit trans am
Day 34
This is my last post from my failed quit with the May 2013 quit group. I've been looking forward to as well as dreading this day since I came back, took my licks, answered the 3 questions, and started over.
I've been looking forward to it because this day represents a huge milestone in my journey with snuff because 34 days is the all time record of days that I've ever gone without a dip. I've been looking forward to not having to admit that one time it the past i made it to more days than I currently have. And I've really been looking forward to Kicking this day in the butt and blowing through it to day 35.
On the other hand, I have been dreading this day because I knew that I would, and should, spend today reflecting on what an idiot I was that day. I honestly don't think I was planning to cave when I posted roll that day but I know it was in the back of my mind that I would be in a dangerous situation that night that I needed to prepare for, which of course I didn't.
I was flying to Baton Rouge, LA a day early for a gig and would have ample time on my hands with nothing to do. I should have called somebody, bought some fake, done something, but I didn't do a Daddgumm thing and around 10:30 pm I left my hotel room and bought a can. I was convinced that that first dip would be the best dip of my life because my lip was all healed up, the nicotine was completely out of my system and I just knew I'd get a buzz. So without thinking for one second about crapping all over my quit brothers here I opened the can crammed that crap in my mouth and to my dismay it wasn't really that good. No buzz, no burst of flavor, nothing. The only good thing about it was that it didn't hurt like hell but that only lasted for the first half of a can. I remember telling myself, "Don't worry. Just keep dipping. It'll get better." So I did and 400 plus cans and a year and half later it did nothing but get worse every single time. Talk about drinking the nicotine kool-aid! I can't believe I was that stupid! "Just keep dipping, it'll get better." Really?
So here I am, again, on day 34. The difference this time is that this is the last time I will ever be on day 34. There are many reasons why this is the last day 34 for me, most of which I covered in my "That day 12 - This day 12 post" but the biggest difference this time is the bonds and relationships I've built with my quit brothers (and sister). These are not just simply my accountability partners, they are becoming my friends. And I couldn't live with myself if I let them down and I refuse to do anything to hurt them or weaken their quit.
With their help, today I have tied my most days ever without a dip. Tomorrow I will surpass it.
Again, last time i was playing quit. This time I am quit!
Keep it up, you are doing it this time. It's real. Keep learning and sharing. That last post re dopamine was great- thanks!
Wow...BRD!!!! I can tell that you "get it". I am glad you waited until you fully understood the gravity of your cave before you came back. Take today to think about all the things you mentioned. Tomorrow wake up, taste that freedom and take a minute to be proud of what you have done thus far and how far you have come. I will quit with you any day!
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
BigRedDude44- day 34 - smokey and the bandit trans am
Day 34
This is my last post from my failed quit with the May 2013 quit group. I've been looking forward to as well as dreading this day since I came back, took my licks, answered the 3 questions, and started over.
I've been looking forward to it because this day represents a huge milestone in my journey with snuff because 34 days is the all time record of days that I've ever gone without a dip. I've been looking forward to not having to admit that one time it the past i made it to more days than I currently have. And I've really been looking forward to Kicking this day in the butt and blowing through it to day 35.
On the other hand, I have been dreading this day because I knew that I would, and should, spend today reflecting on what an idiot I was that day. I honestly don't think I was planning to cave when I posted roll that day but I know it was in the back of my mind that I would be in a dangerous situation that night that I needed to prepare for, which of course I didn't.
I was flying to Baton Rouge, LA a day early for a gig and would have ample time on my hands with nothing to do. I should have called somebody, bought some fake, done something, but I didn't do a Daddgumm thing and around 10:30 pm I left my hotel room and bought a can. I was convinced that that first dip would be the best dip of my life because my lip was all healed up, the nicotine was completely out of my system and I just knew I'd get a buzz. So without thinking for one second about crapping all over my quit brothers here I opened the can crammed that crap in my mouth and to my dismay it wasn't really that good. No buzz, no burst of flavor, nothing. The only good thing about it was that it didn't hurt like hell but that only lasted for the first half of a can. I remember telling myself, "Don't worry. Just keep dipping. It'll get better." So I did and 400 plus cans and a year and half later it did nothing but get worse every single time. Talk about drinking the nicotine kool-aid! I can't believe I was that stupid! "Just keep dipping, it'll get better." Really?
So here I am, again, on day 34. The difference this time is that this is the last time I will ever be on day 34. There are many reasons why this is the last day 34 for me, most of which I covered in my "That day 12 - This day 12 post" but the biggest difference this time is the bonds and relationships I've built with my quit brothers (and sister). These are not just simply my accountability partners, they are becoming my friends. And I couldn't live with myself if I let them down and I refuse to do anything to hurt them or weaken their quit.
With their help, today I have tied my most days ever without a dip. Tomorrow I will surpass it.
Again, last time i was playing quit. This time I am quit!
Keep it up, you are doing it this time. It's real. Keep learning and sharing. That last post re dopamine was great- thanks!
Wow...BRD!!!! I can tell that you "get it". I am glad you waited until you fully understood the gravity of your cave before you came back. Take today to think about all the things you mentioned. Tomorrow wake up, taste that freedom and take a minute to be proud of what you have done thus far and how far you have come. I will quit with you any day!
Nice reflections. Proud to quit with you anyday! Keep being a rock of October!
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Bad-To-The-Bone May Quitters: Place your name and promise NOT to use nicotine in any form today below here:
BigRedDude44- day 34 - smokey and the bandit trans am
Day 34
This is my last post from my failed quit with the May 2013 quit group. I've been looking forward to as well as dreading this day since I came back, took my licks, answered the 3 questions, and started over.
I've been looking forward to it because this day represents a huge milestone in my journey with snuff because 34 days is the all time record of days that I've ever gone without a dip. I've been looking forward to not having to admit that one time it the past i made it to more days than I currently have. And I've really been looking forward to Kicking this day in the butt and blowing through it to day 35.
On the other hand, I have been dreading this day because I knew that I would, and should, spend today reflecting on what an idiot I was that day. I honestly don't think I was planning to cave when I posted roll that day but I know it was in the back of my mind that I would be in a dangerous situation that night that I needed to prepare for, which of course I didn't.
I was flying to Baton Rouge, LA a day early for a gig and would have ample time on my hands with nothing to do. I should have called somebody, bought some fake, done something, but I didn't do a Daddgumm thing and around 10:30 pm I left my hotel room and bought a can. I was convinced that that first dip would be the best dip of my life because my lip was all healed up, the nicotine was completely out of my system and I just knew I'd get a buzz. So without thinking for one second about crapping all over my quit brothers here I opened the can crammed that crap in my mouth and to my dismay it wasn't really that good. No buzz, no burst of flavor, nothing. The only good thing about it was that it didn't hurt like hell but that only lasted for the first half of a can. I remember telling myself, "Don't worry. Just keep dipping. It'll get better." So I did and 400 plus cans and a year and half later it did nothing but get worse every single time. Talk about drinking the nicotine kool-aid! I can't believe I was that stupid! "Just keep dipping, it'll get better." Really?
So here I am, again, on day 34. The difference this time is that this is the last time I will ever be on day 34. There are many reasons why this is the last day 34 for me, most of which I covered in my "That day 12 - This day 12 post" but the biggest difference this time is the bonds and relationships I've built with my quit brothers (and sister). These are not just simply my accountability partners, they are becoming my friends. And I couldn't live with myself if I let them down and I refuse to do anything to hurt them or weaken their quit.
With their help, today I have tied my most days ever without a dip. Tomorrow I will surpass it.
Again, last time i was playing quit. This time I am quit!
Keep it up, you are doing it this time. It's real. Keep learning and sharing. That last post re dopamine was great- thanks!
Wow...BRD!!!! I can tell that you "get it". I am glad you waited until you fully understood the gravity of your cave before you came back. Take today to think about all the things you mentioned. Tomorrow wake up, taste that freedom and take a minute to be proud of what you have done thus far and how far you have come. I will quit with you any day!
Nice reflections. Proud to quit with you anyday! Keep being a rock of October!
Proud to be quit with you, Big Red. Keep pushing through, brother.
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
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Stangel/Murdough or another dorm? just curious.. 7th floor Murdough caught fire due to my dumbass back in 1988.
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
Way to go BigRed! Enjoy the festivities with your family.
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
Way to go BigRed! Enjoy the festivities with your family.
Awesome bro!
Way to keep that mindset right!
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
Way to go BigRed! Enjoy the festivities with your family.
Awesome bro!
Way to keep that mindset right!
Mindset is the key. You got your head in the right place now. Keep killing it.
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
Way to go BigRed! Enjoy the festivities with your family.
Awesome bro!
Way to keep that mindset right!
Mindset is the key. You got your head in the right place now. Keep killing it.
Your a bad mamma jamma!
Proud to be quit with you!
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Day 35
I've never been here before. I have not gone this many days without a dip since I was in 8th grade. 36 years ago. 19 freaking 78!
Today is an awesome day! I'm taking my family out to dinner to celebrate!
So glad I quit. So freaking glad!
Way to go BigRed! Enjoy the festivities with your family.
Awesome bro!
Way to keep that mindset right!
Mindset is the key. You got your head in the right place now. Keep killing it.
Your a bad mamma jamma!
Proud to be quit with you!
Quit on BigRed. Quit on. Your quit is impacting so many people in a positive way! Proud to call you an October quit brother! Keep up the good quit.
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You are owning this quit- meaning taking full ownership of it, it is all your own. I love watching it, and really feel it bra wise our years line up really well. Keep it going man, you're feeding my quit by what you're doing. Let me know what I can do to help you- just a pm away.
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Half Comma!
Way to go Red, keep crushing it!
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Half Comma!
Way to go Red, keep crushing it!
That is, had you not slipped away. Keep it rolling this time! How is your quit going? An update might be good here - it's been a while, adn being involved helps you and helps others support you in a way that reflects where you really are at the time.
Colored names = confused brains it seems, more now that ever before. I recommend admins get to know a little about the people the post for-- by reviewing some of their thread-- in lieu of posting mindless canned chatter. That really doesn't help the quitter at all and it erodes admin credibility overall.
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Watching our JuCo Wreck "Em defensive squad yesterday was challenging at best but it reminds me of the re-building we go through in the early stages of quit. Battling to lies we learned to believe about 'needing nicotine' for every circumstance life threw at us. Happy, sad, glad, mad...... whatever it was we had to have a dip... Now we know that's BS and we learn step by step how to battle those cravings and build a quit defense.
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Half Comma!
Way to go Red, keep crushing it!
Thanks for the encouragement! I really appreciate it but I am a long way from a "half comma" unless I totally misunderstood your comment...
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Half Comma!
Way to go Red, keep crushing it!
That is, had you not slipped away. Keep it rolling this time! How is your quit going? An update might be good here - it's been a while, adn being involved helps you and helps others support you in a way that reflects where you really are at the time.
Colored names = confused brains it seems, more now that ever before. I recommend admins get to know a little about the people the post for-- by reviewing some of their thread-- in lieu of posting mindless canned chatter. That really doesn't help the quitter at all and it erodes admin credibility overall.
I am well aware that I have slacked off on my updates here. I've been crazy busy but I have been staying in touch with my Titan brothers. I haven't been very active here but I am not quitting alone. My quit is strong. I'm on day 54 now and feel stronger than ever. My biggest concern at this point is complacency because since day 15ish my quit has been relatively easy. I am planning a post on the relationship between complacency and rattlesnakes soon. Trust me it will make sense when you read it! haha
Thanks for checking up on me and holding my feet to the fire!
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Watching our JuCo Wreck "Em defensive squad yesterday was challenging at best but it reminds me of the re-building we go through in the early stages of quit. Battling to lies we learned to believe about 'needing nicotine' for every circumstance life threw at us. Happy, sad, glad, mad...... whatever it was we had to have a dip... Now we know that's BS and we learn step by step how to battle those cravings and build a quit defense.
I really hope my quit goes a lot better than Texas Tech's rebuilding is going! haha!! I have no doubt that we are on the right track. Graham Harrell had the same kind of struggles early on as Webb is having now and hopefully soon he will get it together. Our Defense, on the other hand is a long term project. We need some awesome d-line recruits asap so in maybe 3 years or so we will be solid. I hope it doesn't take that long! One upside of this is that if I can endure this without a dip then I can handle anything! haha!
#wreckemtech!!! #inKiliffdoItrust!
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4 days clean and I've felt like a loser all damn day because I only have 4 days clean and I dipped for 36 years! But tonight a 1000+ day vet spent an hour talking to and encouraging me. These words of his from him to me rocked my world: Day 4 is a hell of a lot tougher than day 1,42343434343566 or whatever is way easier than day 4! Congrats! you had to work harder than I did to quit today!" 2 things: 1. that so encouraging to me that it is beyond words that I could ever use to explain it. And 2: some day when I have a comma, I'm gonna stay up all damn night helping a day 4 guy make it through because somebody did that for me!
I just spent the last couple of hours reading through all my previous posts including my intro and I stumbled upon this nugget of a post from day 4 of my quit that at this point both cracks me up as well as empowers my quit. When I wrote this I was STRUGGLING through day 4 and clearly did not have all of my intellectual faculties on board when I wrote this. haha I am usually a stickler for grammar and spelling but this post clearly does not reflect this grammar nazi aspect of my personality. Regardless of all that bullcrap, reading through this is a good reminder of how crazy hard my quit was then as compared to how much easier it is now at day 54!
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BRD I remember I tried to read a book for class like one day into the quit and I spent an hour on one sentence. The haze was awful. You got one thing right though — the more days we rack up, we've sort of got a responsibility to help those who are just starting.
You said, "this is a good reminder of how crazy hard my quit was then as compared to how much easier it is now at day 54!" It's also a great reminder of the struggle all those Day 1 - Day 10 quitters are going through right now, and that they need our help. (Not accusing you of not helping, by the way, you've been awesome. Just a good reminder for all of us.)
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BRD I remember I tried to read a book for class like one day into the quit and I spent an hour on one sentence. The haze was awful. You got one thing right though — the more days we rack up, we've sort of got a responsibility to help those who are just starting.
You said, "this is a good reminder of how crazy hard my quit was then as compared to how much easier it is now at day 54!" It's also a great reminder of the struggle all those Day 1 - Day 10 quitters are going through right now, and that they need our help. (Not accusing you of not helping, by the way, you've been awesome. Just a good reminder for all of us.)
As you go on, it will continue to get easier, and easier...but you need to stay strong and vigilant. The bitch lurks. The number one Quit killer is complacency. Those who wear their Quits on their sleeve, will fall. Hold it close to your chest. Never forget the early days.
To hear you guys talk about how easy it is at day 54 scares the shit out of me. You are feeling great, and that is awesome, but you have struggles ahead of you, I promise. Stay close, stay involved, and most important, stay Quit.
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4 days clean and I've felt like a loser all damn day because I only have 4 days clean and I dipped for 36 years! But tonight a 1000+ day vet spent an hour talking to and encouraging me. These words of his from him to me rocked my world: Day 4 is a hell of a lot tougher than day 1,42343434343566 or whatever is way easier than day 4! Congrats! you had to work harder than I did to quit today!" 2 things: 1. that so encouraging to me that it is beyond words that I could ever use to explain it. And 2: some day when I have a comma, I'm gonna stay up all damn night helping a day 4 guy make it through because somebody did that for me!
I just spent the last couple of hours reading through all my previous posts including my intro and I stumbled upon this nugget of a post from day 4 of my quit that at this point both cracks me up as well as empowers my quit. When I wrote this I was STRUGGLING through day 4 and clearly did not have all of my intellectual faculties on board when I wrote this. haha I am usually a stickler for grammar and spelling but this post clearly does not reflect this grammar nazi aspect of my personality. Regardless of all that bullcrap, reading through this is a good reminder of how crazy hard my quit was then as compared to how much easier it is now at day 54!
You didn't even wait until you got your comma to stay up and help some quitter make it through the night. You've been doing that consistently for our group since you got here and I thank you for that.
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There has been a ton of middle school girl drama going on on KTC between my quit group of October and several other quit groups regarding kakao and the way we are quitting and for the record most of it seems silly and counterproductive to helping anybody be free from nicotine.
From my perspective it seems that the mods/admins have failed miserably in this Bullcrap ktc drama and it seems to me that they should be doing more to intervene but I've only been quit on ktc for 60 days and I'm well aware that I have very little perspective and could be totally wrong about all of this so I wonder if this chaos that appears so fresh and unique to me might seem like another day at the office to them. I wonder if they've seen this kind of crap before and seen it blow up and blow over many, many times before and that is why their response seems indifferent and even apathetic to us relative noobs. I wonder if when we all have commas we'll see this kind of crap in a different light or will we see this as a totally unique time in the history of ktc. I have no idea what the answers are to my "wonderings" but I am well aware that in the grand scheme of things there are plenty of people in life as well as in quit that have experienced way more than I have. I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road because they're a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots but again, I wonder if we are making a huge deal out of a common occurrence or are we fighting a new and unique battle. I don't know the answer but I'd like to know what y'all think.
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There has been a ton of middle school girl drama going on on KTC between my quit group of October and several other quit groups regarding kakao and the way we are quitting and for the record most of it seems silly and counterproductive to helping anybody be free from nicotine.
From my perspective it seems that the mods/admins have failed miserably in this Bullcrap ktc drama and it seems to me that they should be doing more to intervene but I've only been quit on ktc for 60 days and I'm well aware that I have very little perspective and could be totally wrong about all of this so I wonder if this chaos that appears so fresh and unique to me might seem like another day at the office to them. I wonder if they've seen this kind of crap before and seen it blow up and blow over many, many times before and that is why their response seems indifferent and even apathetic to us relative noobs. I wonder if when we all have commas we'll see this kind of crap in a different light or will we see this as a totally unique time in the history of ktc. I have no idea what the answers are to my "wonderings" but I am well aware that in the grand scheme of things there are plenty of people in life as well as in quit that have experienced way more than I have. I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road because they're a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots but again, I wonder if we are making a huge deal out of a common occurrence or are we fighting a new and unique battle. I don't know the answer but I'd like to know what y'all think.
are the strafing runs from outside your group driving your quit group apart or driving you all closer together? If a loudmouth jackass doesn't like the way you quit, tell them to go pound salt. Also... a tip- if you look up a user's profile profile/208885/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/208885/) you can hit profile options/ignore and you won't even see their posts any more.
With 21000 members it is damn near impossible to intervene in every argument, research how it happened and what the contributing factors were at play.. Those that consistently step over the line will be dealt with. We try to make every effort to keep that process out of the public eye and give people every opportunity to modify their behavior before we take any official action.
And yes... we have seen this countless times.
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There has been a ton of middle school girl drama going on on KTC between my quit group of October and several other quit groups regarding kakao and the way we are quitting and for the record most of it seems silly and counterproductive to helping anybody be free from nicotine.
From my perspective it seems that the mods/admins have failed miserably in this Bullcrap ktc drama and it seems to me that they should be doing more to intervene but I've only been quit on ktc for 60 days and I'm well aware that I have very little perspective and could be totally wrong about all of this so I wonder if this chaos that appears so fresh and unique to me might seem like another day at the office to them. I wonder if they've seen this kind of crap before and seen it blow up and blow over many, many times before and that is why their response seems indifferent and even apathetic to us relative noobs. I wonder if when we all have commas we'll see this kind of crap in a different light or will we see this as a totally unique time in the history of ktc. I have no idea what the answers are to my "wonderings" but I am well aware that in the grand scheme of things there are plenty of people in life as well as in quit that have experienced way more than I have. I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road because they're a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots but again, I wonder if we are making a huge deal out of a common occurrence or are we fighting a new and unique battle. I don't know the answer but I'd like to know what y'all think.
are the strafing runs from outside your group driving your quit group apart or driving you all closer together? If a loudmouth jackass doesn't like the way you quit, tell them to go pound salt. Also... a tip- if you look up a user's profile profile/208885/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/208885/) you can hit profile options/ignore and you won't even see their posts any more.
With 21000 members it is damn near impossible to intervene in every argument, research how it happened and what the contributing factors were at play.. Those that consistently step over the line will be dealt with. We try to make every effort to keep that process out of the public eye and give people every opportunity to modify their behavior before we take any official action.
And yes... we have seen this countless times.
Hang in there bro. You cats are rolling into the pre hall funk and you're also catching some jackassery. Sucks but been there and you power through it just like in the real world. The assholes and troubles will always be there but how you choose to deal with them is 100% up to you.
Go invest in some newb who can't post correctly yet or jump into chat and help some one off the ledge.
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There has been a ton of middle school girl drama going on on KTC between my quit group of October and several other quit groups regarding kakao and the way we are quitting and for the record most of it seems silly and counterproductive to helping anybody be free from nicotine.
From my perspective it seems that the mods/admins have failed miserably in this Bullcrap ktc drama and it seems to me that they should be doing more to intervene but I've only been quit on ktc for 60 days and I'm well aware that I have very little perspective and could be totally wrong about all of this so I wonder if this chaos that appears so fresh and unique to me might seem like another day at the office to them. I wonder if they've seen this kind of crap before and seen it blow up and blow over many, many times before and that is why their response seems indifferent and even apathetic to us relative noobs. I wonder if when we all have commas we'll see this kind of crap in a different light or will we see this as a totally unique time in the history of ktc. I have no idea what the answers are to my "wonderings" but I am well aware that in the grand scheme of things there are plenty of people in life as well as in quit that have experienced way more than I have. I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road because they're a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots but again, I wonder if we are making a huge deal out of a common occurrence or are we fighting a new and unique battle. I don't know the answer but I'd like to know what y'all think.
are the strafing runs from outside your group driving your quit group apart or driving you all closer together? If a loudmouth jackass doesn't like the way you quit, tell them to go pound salt. Also... a tip- if you look up a user's profile profile/208885/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/208885/) you can hit profile options/ignore and you won't even see their posts any more.
With 21000 members it is damn near impossible to intervene in every argument, research how it happened and what the contributing factors were at play.. Those that consistently step over the line will be dealt with. We try to make every effort to keep that process out of the public eye and give people every opportunity to modify their behavior before we take any official action.
And yes... we have seen this countless times.
Hang in there bro. You cats are rolling into the pre hall funk and you're also catching some jackassery. Sucks but been there and you power through it just like in the real world. The assholes and troubles will always be there but how you choose to deal with them is 100% up to you.
Go invest in some newb who can't post correctly yet or jump into chat and help some one off the ledge.
I just read through this post and want clarify what I meant by this sentence because it does not convey what I meant it to and don't want to be misunderstood.
"I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road because they're a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots"
I should have said it like this:
"I am totally willing to admit that I'm wrong and learn from them as I am to tell them to hit the road If they turn out to be a bunch of power hungry, insecure idiots"
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Day 65
Day Sixty FREAKING Five!!! How did that happen?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!!!!! Almost double my longest previous stoppage! Since I quit I have had several experiences that I previously thought there was no way I could ever endure without a dip but I have walked down each of those roads and, astonishingly, have stood strong -with the help of my KTC brothers and sister -each time. Things like: being at the ranch; riding the tractor; planting food plots; setting up deer blinds; and dove hunting! Each of which was, surprisingly, nowhere near as hard as I expected. As tough as all that was this past week was the toughest "new" experience yet. I travel for a living and spend a ton of time alone in a hotel room. Anger and rage are not a struggle for me but boredom is and being on the road alone can be super boring. The last four days have been the biggest challenge to my quit that I have experienced so far. I just got back from my first road trip since I quit. I just spent my first 4 days alone on the road without a dip, EVER!!! I love what I do but there is a lot of down time and in the past the BOREDOM of down time was only survived by dipping so needless to say enduring the last 4 days dip free was rough! But I did it. It was rough but I made it through. If I can do that there is no doubt in my mind that there is NOTHING I can't do without a dip!
One thing I've learned so far is that every new experience that I survive without a dip is one more thing I can check off the list of things I "can't" do without a dip and surviving this past week without crap in my mouth has served to convince me that if I can do that without a dip, I can do anything without it!
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Day 65
Day Sixty FREAKING Five!!! How did that happen?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!!!!! Almost double my longest previous stoppage! Since I quit I have had several experiences that I previously thought there was no way I could ever endure without a dip but I have walked down each of those roads and, astonishingly, have stood strong -with the help of my KTC brothers and sister -each time. Things like: being at the ranch; riding the tractor; planting food plots; setting up deer blinds; and dove hunting! Each of which was, surprisingly, nowhere near as hard as I expected. As tough as all that was this past week was the toughest "new" experience yet. I travel for a living and spend a ton of time alone in a hotel room. Anger and rage are not a struggle for me but boredom is and being on the road alone can be super boring. The last four days have been the biggest challenge to my quit that I have experienced so far. I just got back from my first road trip since I quit. I just spent my first 4 days alone on the road without a dip, EVER!!! I love what I do but there is a lot of down time and in the past the BOREDOM of down time was only survived by dipping so needless to say enduring the last 4 days dip free was rough! But I did it. It was rough but I made it through. If I can do that there is no doubt in my mind that there is NOTHING I can't do without a dip!
One thing I've learned so far is that every new experience that I survive without a dip is one more thing I can check off the list of things I "can't" do without a dip and surviving this past week without crap in my mouth has served to convince me that if I can do that without a dip, I can do anything without it!
Red, you can do EVERYTHING without dip.
Congrats on the victories. You're doing this.
As to the boredom, ever thought of picking up a hobby? Learn to play the harmonica. I always wanted to know how to play the harmonica. There aren't enough harmonica players in the world. Good ones, anyway.
Harmonica. You're already working it out in your head.
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Day 65
Day Sixty FREAKING Five!!! How did that happen?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!!!!! Almost double my longest previous stoppage! Since I quit I have had several experiences that I previously thought there was no way I could ever endure without a dip but I have walked down each of those roads and, astonishingly, have stood strong -with the help of my KTC brothers and sister -each time. Things like: being at the ranch; riding the tractor; planting food plots; setting up deer blinds; and dove hunting! Each of which was, surprisingly, nowhere near as hard as I expected. As tough as all that was this past week was the toughest "new" experience yet. I travel for a living and spend a ton of time alone in a hotel room. Anger and rage are not a struggle for me but boredom is and being on the road alone can be super boring. The last four days have been the biggest challenge to my quit that I have experienced so far. I just got back from my first road trip since I quit. I just spent my first 4 days alone on the road without a dip, EVER!!! I love what I do but there is a lot of down time and in the past the BOREDOM of down time was only survived by dipping so needless to say enduring the last 4 days dip free was rough! But I did it. It was rough but I made it through. If I can do that there is no doubt in my mind that there is NOTHING I can't do without a dip!
One thing I've learned so far is that every new experience that I survive without a dip is one more thing I can check off the list of things I "can't" do without a dip and surviving this past week without crap in my mouth has served to convince me that if I can do that without a dip, I can do anything without it!
Red, you can do EVERYTHING without dip.
Congrats on the victories. You're doing this.
As to the boredom, ever thought of picking up a hobby? Learn to play the harmonica. I always wanted to know how to play the harmonica. There aren't enough harmonica players in the world. Good ones, anyway.
Harmonica. You're already working it out in your head.
haHAHAHHA Your crazy! There is not a musical bone in my body! I do need to find a hobby that I can do when I'm on the road alone. Good idea!
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Mr. C here from the Knowledge Emporium, while the HOF was making its way through October, like the rectal exams from our Dr. Bone. I had some time to tour the facility with my fellow Ginger, BigRedDude44. During our extend stroll through the Emporium, we had some time to exchange pleasantries and acquire a new appreciation for being the caboose of this train wreck. As I dispose of the sleeper sofa, please enjoy:
Interview with a Ginger
There was a disturbance in the Flannel Network: aka the Force for Gingers, as we posse the ability to sense the presence of the soulless, pale, and freckled kin. There he was towering above all to see, a ginger above gingers whose milk toast complexion, makes Marilyn Mason look like a Baywatch extra, with the opaqueness of copy paper, nodded in excitement of a fellow ginger.
You see the gingers are selected above all else to be the carrots of society, buried so only the tops can be seen. Therefore, as we take our place in the back of the October HOF Train, we sit down in the last two chairs on the platform. Only after a 72-hour period of binge watching the GBN (Ginger Broadcasting Network), we began conversing. You see as gingers we are not permitted to watch any movie or television show that does not contain a ginger. This is not due to the prejudices that exist or a violation of civil rights, all other forms of entertainment do not satisfy our hyper-evolved sophisticated sense of humor. So after watching The Brat Pack (Molly Ringwald) series and Woody Allen movies, we were ready to begin discussing the finer points of life, the Highland Games.
After the heated debate of whoÂ’s favored to when the Caber Toss, I still say McKim is in his prime. I find that BigRedDude44 prefers to referred to as Runks, but this poses the question; what does Mrs. Runks call him? Runkypoo? It was a 36 year journey that brought him to this point in his life, only after his gums where red and raw. A ginger quits because of red? Does anyone else see the irony? Since the start of his quit journey he has made some friends, only because he was smart enough not to use this picture as his avatar. That is smart thinking! I should have thought of it myself.
I soon found that this ginger does not sleep, that only helps prove that we are vampires and have no soul. He soon was sharing way more information than I cared to know, especially that weird goal in life to come back as a bird dog to have sex with a gorilla behind a deer blind. To each their own, but when he shared that I had never seen BoneDiddley act so strangely, even when he walked in on Jama and CLW, at the pottery wheel.
As we continued to move towards the HOF platform he broke out in a Hank Williams Jr medley, that caused several of the quitters to jump out of the window of the moving train, I had never seen Knix, Jspencer, and Oxman move so quickly. I didnÂ’t think it was as bad as his version of Celebration, when the Cowboys won their preseason Blue/White scrimmage.
As we waited for our turn to board, the train the Ginger fell asleep on the sleeper sofa, now for a ginger to oversleep, is like saying FredR remembers to post before 6 pm. Now when that horn blew, (Who knew that the HOF horn played YMCA?) Now that ginger hung like a baby, 7 lbs 14 oz, 18.5 inches, proceeded to get his protector of the burning bush trapped in the couch, causing a momentary panic. But this father of 2, with the grace of the Dancing Hippos from Fantasia, saved his towering redwood sapling, and made it aboard the HOF express. Proving once again, that Aristotle was correct. In his work Physiognomic, he stated “people with tawny colored hair are brave because they have the same hair color as lions, while the reddish cannot be trusted because they have the same hair color as foxes. Well, partly correct, while the ginger in question, maybe sly and look like Swiper the Fox, he is nothing but a 6’6” walking model to quitters, and gingers everywhere, of how to be a Bad Ass Quitter.
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Mr. C here from the Knowledge Emporium, while the HOF was making its way through October, like the rectal exams from our Dr. Bone. I had some time to tour the facility with my fellow Ginger, BigRedDude44. During our extend stroll through the Emporium, we had some time to exchange pleasantries and acquire a new appreciation for being the caboose of this train wreck. As I dispose of the sleeper sofa, please enjoy:
Interview with a Ginger
There was a disturbance in the Flannel Network: aka the Force for Gingers, as we posse the ability to sense the presence of the soulless, pale, and freckled kin. There he was towering above all to see, a ginger above gingers whose milk toast complexion, makes Marilyn Mason look like a Baywatch extra, with the opaqueness of copy paper, nodded in excitement of a fellow ginger.
You see the gingers are selected above all else to be the carrots of society, buried so only the tops can be seen. Therefore, as we take our place in the back of the October HOF Train, we sit down in the last two chairs on the platform. Only after a 72-hour period of binge watching the GBN (Ginger Broadcasting Network), we began conversing. You see as gingers we are not permitted to watch any movie or television show that does not contain a ginger. This is not due to the prejudices that exist or a violation of civil rights, all other forms of entertainment do not satisfy our hyper-evolved sophisticated sense of humor. So after watching The Brat Pack (Molly Ringwald) series and Woody Allen movies, we were ready to begin discussing the finer points of life, the Highland Games.
After the heated debate of whoÂ’s favored to when the Caber Toss, I still say McKim is in his prime. I find that BigRedDude44 prefers to referred to as Runks, but this poses the question; what does Mrs. Runks call him? Runkypoo? It was a 36 year journey that brought him to this point in his life, only after his gums where red and raw. A ginger quits because of red? Does anyone else see the irony? Since the start of his quit journey he has made some friends, only because he was smart enough not to use this picture as his avatar. That is smart thinking! I should have thought of it myself.
I soon found that this ginger does not sleep, that only helps prove that we are vampires and have no soul. He soon was sharing way more information than I cared to know, especially that weird goal in life to come back as a bird dog to have sex with a gorilla behind a deer blind. To each their own, but when he shared that I had never seen BoneDiddley act so strangely, even when he walked in on Jama and CLW, at the pottery wheel.
As we continued to move towards the HOF platform he broke out in a Hank Williams Jr medley, that caused several of the quitters to jump out of the window of the moving train, I had never seen Knix, Jspencer, and Oxman move so quickly. I didnÂ’t think it was as bad as his version of Celebration, when the Cowboys won their preseason Blue/White scrimmage.
As we waited for our turn to board, the train the Ginger fell asleep on the sleeper sofa, now for a ginger to oversleep, is like saying FredR remembers to post before 6 pm. Now when that horn blew, (Who knew that the HOF horn played YMCA?) Now that ginger hung like a baby, 7 lbs 14 oz, 18.5 inches, proceeded to get his protector of the burning bush trapped in the couch, causing a momentary panic. But this father of 2, with the grace of the Dancing Hippos from Fantasia, saved his towering redwood sapling, and made it aboard the HOF express. Proving once again, that Aristotle was correct. In his work Physiognomic, he stated “people with tawny colored hair are brave because they have the same hair color as lions, while the reddish cannot be trusted because they have the same hair color as foxes. Well, partly correct, while the ginger in question, maybe sly and look like Swiper the Fox, he is nothing but a 6’6” walking model to quitters, and gingers everywhere, of how to be a Bad Ass Quitter.
Candy you are one crazy ginger quitting son of a gun! No doubt we are the 2 baddest Ginger quitters on ktc!
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Day 146
My biggest fear at this point is complacency. I rarely think about snuff anymore and haven't really had what I'd call a real crave since around day 25 but I'm well aware that Nicky could be around the corner lurking, ready to pounce at any moment. For that reason I carry my coin and keep posting roll even though it is daily struggle to keep doing so. Every day it seems like I have to talk myself into posting roll. I have thoughts like: "do I really need to do this anymore?" but I keep doing it because as best I can tell the one underlying common thread with people who cave after reaching the HOF is they stopped posting roll. So I post roll and will keep posting roll.
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Day 146
My biggest fear at this point is complacency. I rarely think about snuff anymore and haven't really had what I'd call a real crave since around day 25 but I'm well aware that Nicky could be around the corner lurking, ready to pounce at any moment. For that reason I carry my coin and keep posting roll even though it is daily struggle to keep doing so. Every day it seems like I have to talk myself into posting roll. I have thoughts like: "do I really need to do this anymore?" but I keep doing it because as best I can tell the one underlying common thread with people who cave after reaching the HOF is they stopped posting roll. So I post roll and will keep posting roll.
Keep it up Red.
I have my coin in my pocket right now. I have my 'Comma' chip in my truck. Fake dip in my desk drawer (in all honesty, it's Mint Snuff and takes care of bad breath), but they are all reminders for me. I continue to remind myself all day, every day.
Stay active, bur more than that, reach out. Get in the new groups. Pick up a new guy in his intros. Just one. Helping ONE guy here can make all the difference, and it certainly helps keep the nic bitch's sister - the complacency whore, at bay.
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Day 146
My biggest fear at this point is complacency. I rarely think about snuff anymore and haven't really had what I'd call a real crave since around day 25 but I'm well aware that Nicky could be around the corner lurking, ready to pounce at any moment. For that reason I carry my coin and keep posting roll even though it is daily struggle to keep doing so. Every day it seems like I have to talk myself into posting roll. I have thoughts like: "do I really need to do this anymore?" but I keep doing it because as best I can tell the one underlying common thread with people who cave after reaching the HOF is they stopped posting roll. So I post roll and will keep posting roll.
Keep it up Red.
I have my coin in my pocket right now. I have my 'Comma' chip in my truck. Fake dip in my desk drawer (in all honesty, it's Mint Snuff and takes care of bad breath), but they are all reminders for me. I continue to remind myself all day, every day.
Stay active, bur more than that, reach out. Get in the new groups. Pick up a new guy in his intros. Just one. Helping ONE guy here can make all the difference, and it certainly helps keep the nic bitch's sister - the complacency whore, at bay.
Red,
Nolaq posts roll everyday, is active on here everyday, is a multiple coin carrier, and has been quit for almost 5 years. Maybe he's onto something! :huh:
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I'm sure I will probably get roasted for this but before you crucify me keep in mind I am a 100% poster and I'm still posting roll. However, I would like to see your answers to this question: Am I the only one who feels like posting roll is no longer necessary? How many of you feel like you will post roll forever? I wrestle with it every day. I have not had a craving in over 200 days, I never think about dipping anymore, and no longer believe that posting roll is needed. Honestly, the only reason I still post is to support others that are still struggling and to avoid the backlash of leaving. Again, before you accuse me of thinking I'm "cured" or that I'm planning a cave - remember that I'm still a 100% poster and I'm still posting roll. I'd just like to hear your thoughts on this.
I saw the following posted by bigreddude within his quit group this morning (October 14 Titans). This isn't the first time I've seen this question, or related, and every single time I give the same answer. Stupid question. So, I get that bigred is a 100% poster, and simply asking the question of the greater good, but it's a stupid question. If any of you have seen a caver, what is the consistent theme almost 100% of the time. They don't post roll. Whether it's a cave at day 50 or a cave at day 500 (I've seen both), they stop posting roll and making that daily promise.
Personally, I don't see the big deal. 30 seconds, post your name in your group, and be done. That's all. Clearly, however, it's a big deal. Our group has lost 2 in the last few months to similar lame ass excuse about not having time. They're are at risk of caving...we call that a pre-cave.
Anyway, Bigred, thank you for posting this stupid question in your group so that I could hop on a pedestal and share with the larger group. Maybe I'm an asshole for doing so, but you posed the question and solicited feedback, and there's mine. Stupid question, especially from a 100% roll poster.
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I'm sure I will probably get roasted for this but before you crucify me keep in mind I am a 100% poster and I'm still posting roll. However, I would like to see your answers to this question: Am I the only one who feels like posting roll is no longer necessary? How many of you feel like you will post roll forever? I wrestle with it every day. I have not had a craving in over 200 days, I never think about dipping anymore, and no longer believe that posting roll is needed. Honestly, the only reason I still post is to support others that are still struggling and to avoid the backlash of leaving. Again, before you accuse me of thinking I'm "cured" or that I'm planning a cave - remember that I'm still a 100% poster and I'm still posting roll. I'd just like to hear your thoughts on this.
I saw the following posted by bigreddude within his quit group this morning (October 14 Titans). This isn't the first time I've seen this question, or related, and every single time I give the same answer. Stupid question. So, I get that bigred is a 100% poster, and simply asking the question of the greater good, but it's a stupid question. If any of you have seen a caver, what is the consistent theme almost 100% of the time. They don't post roll. Whether it's a cave at day 50 or a cave at day 500 (I've seen both), they stop posting roll and making that daily promise.
Personally, I don't see the big deal. 30 seconds, post your name in your group, and be done. That's all. Clearly, however, it's a big deal. Our group has lost 2 in the last few months to similar lame ass excuse about not having time. They're are at risk of caving...we call that a pre-cave.
Anyway, Bigred, thank you for posting this stupid question in your group so that I could hop on a pedestal and share with the larger group. Maybe I'm an asshole for doing so, but you posed the question and solicited feedback, and there's mine. Stupid question, especially from a 100% roll poster.
I disagree. Not a stupid question - an ADDICT'S question.
You laid it out there pretty well, Steak, not much more to add. 30 seconds. Hell, less than that if you have brother's number and just text him.
There are more than one way to stay involved here, people. The Gropeme and Cocknow groups are becoming popular. KTC is on FaceSpace. There's a blog or whatever that shit is.
Point being, KTC for me, is a lifestyle now. Just like dipping and 'Hagen was a lifestyle for me for 29 years. It was how I identified myself; how I measured myself against other people. Now, I identify myself as a QUITTER. As such, I post roll every day. Period.
Once I post, I hang around. Sometimes more than I should. Why? Well, don't tell anyone, but because I like some of you assholes. Some. The rest can fuck off. 'winker'
So I don't think Red is asking a stupid question. I think Red may be struggling with his addicted mind for a bit. It's not uncommon. I know I squared away my mind first thing this morning when I posted roll. I'll do the same tomorrow.