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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: PottyMouth on May 19, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
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I'm 43, with a beautiful wife, 2 beautiful kids, manage an aerospace company. Converse with business professionals all day. By most accounts, I'm NOT someone you'd think would be dippin into a can of skoal... but I've been doing it pretty much all day/every day for the last 25 years. I go through about a can every 2 days - but that's only because I keep each dip in my mouth for at least 1-3 hours... whats worse is I don't even use a spitter anymore, haven't for 10+ years. My coworkers have no idea I chew. I keep the dip way on the side of my lower cheek. My wife had no idea for the first 3 years - until the embarrassing moment she had to confront me about my odd smelling breath - said it smelled like black olives, hmmm interesting... maybe it would have been better if she said it smelled like shit. I'm a closet dipper. I'm very discreet. You won't see me put a dip in. You won't see me spit one out. You won't even see it while I'm talking to you. But it's there. ALL the time.
I've never really tried to quit before. I've thought about it - how it must be pretty bad to have tobacco and whatever chemicals in your mouth all day, swallowing that shit all day. I've never had any lip sores, tooth decay, no ulcers - maybe I've been lucky. But c'mon, it can't be good for you. I have no definitive reason for quitting yesterday. There was no "straw that broke the camels back", was no cancer scare, was no ultimatum from my family. I'm just sick of being a slave to it. I'm a pretty strong guy (emotionally and physically). But dip made me it's bitch for 25+ years. It doesn't take no for an answer. Within 1 minute of me waking in the morning, I have a dip in my mouth. Right up until I go to bed. The only time I don't have one in is when I'm eating. Then Christ! of course you need a big one right after you eat... That is insane! It's sick! Who does that??
Yesterday I thought "screw it, today I quit". I immediately got online to figure out how - I wasn't naive enough to think it would be easy. I was right, It's NOT easy. But I'm glad I found this site. I'm going cold-turkey and I'm not going back. It WILL be tough, it WILL suck ass - but I will not fail. I'm stronger than this leaf-dirt. I'm craving right now. Been almost exactly 24 hrs. I'm a little surprised I've made it this far. This site has helped, just writing this post is helping. I will probably need more support over the next few days. I've read about the fog - didn't think I would feel it this soon though. Gonna need a bunch of snacks and gum, and up my intake of caffeine - but I've quit. And every second is a second of freedom.
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Badass post, bro. I hear resolve in there and you're gonna need it. One of my first suggestions... beyond finding your quit group and getting religiously involved by posting roll everyday... read and learn. Learn about nicotine and just how bad this stuff is. It's a poison more powerful than rattlesnake venom... stronger than strychnine. Yeah... you've been willingly paying good money to poison yourself for 25 years. I did it too man... 25 years, 2 cans a day for the last 10 or so. Cold turkey is the shiz... it's the only way to go. While you're reading... look up a thread by a cat named Traumagnet. He's my July 13 bro... one day ahead of me in quit. He gutted for years too and is currently battling intestinal cancer. Directly related?... yeah, probably. It doesn't matter why you decided to quit... you did. You found us too... that puts it into high gear. Follow the program here... it's a guaranteed success. Get involved... Stay involved.
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I know where you're coming from- I was a stealth dipper for 30+ years. It becomes your own private comfortable little "thing" that's none of the rest of the world's business...a secret just for you. It makes it a little harder to quit because most of the world doesn't even know you have this addiction- you don't get the same positive reinforcement from people that the guy who constantly had a cig hanging out of his mouth or a fat lip (and now doesn't) gets. The best advice I can give you after three weeks is- it does get easier. After these first 3-5 days you'll know that all the nicotine is out of your system. Ok, so at that point as the cravings hit each time you have to tell yourself that it's all mental now, it WILL pass. Every time you fight that battle in a day and win, you get a little bit stronger. Also keep in mind what you're going through these first few days, because if you cave...you get to start the whole damn thing over again. What sane person would want to go through those first few days of withdrawal ever again?
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PM I'm loving what I'm reading! Remember you are much smarter and bigger man than that tin! You are obviously a smart man, so how did this happen to you? Same way as everyone else, tried it got addicted and here you are! Get ready for fog, rage,constipation, headaches but man up drink the kool-aid and stay quit! Remember we're here 24-7, use the tools provided here! Damn proud to be quit with you today my friend!
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Welcome Potty Mouth. You made a great decision to quit. Every one of us was where you are now. This site works if you use it. I burned through 2 cans a day for 26 years. If I can do this you can too. You just have to be ready.
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PM, I can relate. I work in aerospace as well and most people I've worked with have no clue. I used to be able to pack fresh chew in the middle of a room full of people while a meeting was on break. Like you, my wife and I dated for a year before she knew I dipped. She always just thought I kissed funny.
For me, sometimes it was harder because no one at work would know if I caved. They couldn't be part of my accountability because they weren't part of my dipping. Plus, tobacco use is prohibited where I work, so coming out about it after the fact wasn't very feasible either.
One thing that helped was that I started noticing there were more ninja dippers around than I realized. Once I started picking up on that, it started to get pretty disgusting. Look around. You know the signs. It's all the things you used to worry about showing.
Quit on. It's the best decision you've ever made.
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I thought I was the only 30 year ninja dipper in the world (I had never even heard the term before), and it turns out KTC is full of them quitters.
What's best is not having to lie every minute of the day about what your're thinking, doing, or planning to do.
When a ninja gives up dip, (s)he gives up being a liar.
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thanks all! It's a funny feeling... I mean it's a motherfucker for sure, but I am actually smiling through it (for real). Kinda liberating. Knowing there is nothing to hide - no more ninja dipping. All those years that little tin had a death grip on me - now I'm in charge.
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Saw your roll in August. Awesome! Remember, everyone here is pulling for you. It will suck for a while, but the end is great! Grats on choosing to keep your face!
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1st post -
I'm 43, with a beautiful wife, 2 beautiful kids, manage an aerospace company. Converse with business professionals all day. By most accounts, I'm NOT someone you'd think would be dippin into a can of skoal... but I've been doing it pretty much all day/every day for the last 25 years. I go through about a can every 2 days - but that's only because I keep each dip in my mouth for at least 1-3 hours... whats worse is I don't even use a spitter anymore, haven't for 10+ years. My coworkers have no idea I chew. I keep the dip way on the side of my lower cheek. My wife had no idea for the first 3 years - until the embarrassing moment she had to confront me about my odd smelling breath - said it smelled like black olives, hmmm interesting... maybe it would have been better if she said it smelled like shit. I'm a closet dipper. I'm very discreet. You won't see me put a dip in. You won't see me spit one out. You won't even see it while I'm talking to you. But it's there. ALL the time.
I've never really tried to quit before. I've thought about it - how it must be pretty bad to have tobacco and whatever chemicals in your mouth all day, swallowing that shit all day. I've never had any lip sores, tooth decay, no ulcers - maybe I've been lucky. But c'mon, it can't be good for you. I have no definitive reason for quitting yesterday. There was no "straw that broke the camels back", was no cancer scare, was no ultimatum from my family. I'm just sick of being a slave to it. I'm a pretty strong guy (emotionally and physically). But dip made me it's bitch for 25+ years. It doesn't take no for an answer. Within 1 minute of me waking in the morning, I have a dip in my mouth. Right up until I go to bed. The only time I don't have one in is when I'm eating. Then Christ! of course you need a big one right after you eat... That is insane! It's sick! Who does that??
Yesterday I thought "screw it, today I quit". I immediately got online to figure out how - I wasn't naive enough to think it would be easy. I was right, It's NOT easy. But I'm glad I found this site. I'm going cold-turkey and I'm not going back. It WILL be tough, it WILL suck ass - but I will not fail. I'm stronger than this leaf-dirt. I'm craving right now. Been almost exactly 24 hrs. I'm a little surprised I've made it this far. This site has helped, just writing this post is helping. I will probably need more support over the next few days. I've read about the fog - didn't think I would feel it this soon though. Gonna need a bunch of snacks and gum, and up my intake of caffeine - but I've quit. And every second is a second of freedom.
That is a Bad Ass post. Are you sure we are not related? Fuck man with the exception of hiding it all the time your story mimics my own. Regardless, congratulations on your decision to quit!
I quit with you and if ever there is anything I can do please just ask.
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Welcome PM! We are happy to have you and hope you stick around. I will just say to try to watch the caffeine intake. For some reason our body metabolizes caffeine at a much higher rate when off nicotine, so basically 1 or 2 cups of coffee will now get you JACKED..... But keep your quit nice and tight (like we like it here) and you will find out soon how GREAT life is without a drug and a life filled with lies that we were so accustomed to. That's all we knew for the longest time. I found that with every bridge I crossed, I felt stronger and more confident. Turns out I can golf without poison. Drive to/from work without it. Heck, I can work long shifts without that nasty crap. And you will never endure a Day 1 again.
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Welcome PM! We are happy to have you and hope you stick around. I will just say to try to watch the caffeine intake. For some reason our body metabolizes caffeine at a much higher rate when off nicotine, so basically 1 or 2 cups of coffee will now get you JACKED..... But keep your quit nice and tight (like we like it here) and you will find out soon how GREAT life is without a drug and a life filled with lies that we were so accustomed to. That's all we knew for the longest time. I found that with every bridge I crossed, I felt stronger and more confident. Turns out I can golf without poison. Drive to/from work without it. Heck, I can work long shifts without that nasty crap. And you will never endure a Day 1 again.
Welcome Pottymouth. Congrats on making the best decision of your life. I have to second what my man Jerk said, be careful on the coffee. I'm on day 127 and still get my worst craves when I drink coffee. I don't know why that is and maybe it's different for others but if there's one thing you'll see on KTC, it's that if you're thinking/feeling something so are a number of others.
Like you, I was a ninja dipper. I knew my significant other didn't really believe I needed 30 minutes to go to the bathroom every morning. She knew I was full of shit, and I always felt bad about it. While you are quit you'll find you gain back not only your health, but some self-respect and integrity lost from all the lies and bullshit caused by this addiction.
Proud to be quit with you today.
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Welcome PM! We are happy to have you and hope you stick around. I will just say to try to watch the caffeine intake. For some reason our body metabolizes caffeine at a much higher rate when off nicotine, so basically 1 or 2 cups of coffee will now get you JACKED..... But keep your quit nice and tight (like we like it here) and you will find out soon how GREAT life is without a drug and a life filled with lies that we were so accustomed to. That's all we knew for the longest time. I found that with every bridge I crossed, I felt stronger and more confident. Turns out I can golf without poison. Drive to/from work without it. Heck, I can work long shifts without that nasty crap. And you will never endure a Day 1 again.
Welcome Pottymouth. Congrats on making the best decision of your life. I have to second what my man Jerk said, be careful on the coffee. I'm on day 127 and still get my worst craves when I drink coffee. I don't know why that is and maybe it's different for others but if there's one thing you'll see on KTC, it's that if you're thinking/feeling something so are a number of others.
Like you, I was a ninja dipper. I knew my significant other didn't really believe I needed 30 minutes to go to the bathroom every morning. She knew I was full of shit, and I always felt bad about it. While you are quit you'll find you gain back not only your health, but some self-respect and integrity lost from all the lies and bullshit caused by this addiction.
Proud to be quit with you today.
Listen to these badass quitters ^^^^! As you can see if you need help, Come on here and you will get it! Damn proud to be quit with you today my friend!
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Welcome. Hey Caffeine makes NIC cravings worse. We recommend cutting back on caffeine. It makes withdrawals easier and doesn't increase the cravings.
Stay quit. There is no acceptable failure here. Stick to this method, it works.
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Do you realize how lucky you are?
Multiple quitters have taken the time to welcome you. You Are not alone in this quit. We're very active here at the ktc. Not pursuing your quit is just "not using". Quitting means we go at this at full speed.
Water is your friend man. Drink lots of it. Exercise, and have your weapons (candies, seeds, herbal snuff, etc) available at all times. Make some friends. Reach out when you need to.
Welcome aboard sir.
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Smells of some strong quit off in here!
Your an addict PM.
Spend the same amount of time quiting as you did using!
The war is won... with daily victories of accountability.
Addicts back to back... living a new life one day at a time.
I quit with you today.
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Day 22 update:
Feelin pretty good. The 1st week was cold turkey, with only gum (no nic). I didn't use fake chew, mints, seeds, etc. It was rough - but getting better ever since. I wish I would have used fake chew (smokey mtn) in the very beginning just until the nic withdrawals wore off. For me, the oral fixation was/is strong. Now that I've found smokey mtn - I seem to be dippin almost as much as I was before. Granted, it's not nic (and breath smells better, etc) - but it's still "chew habit" you know? Next step is to try to slow that down as well, maybe keep it to 2 dips per day. Anyone else dip the fake stuff a lot? Any better alternatives for this oral fixation??
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Day 22 update:
Feelin pretty good. The 1st week was cold turkey, with only gum (no nic). I didn't use fake chew, mints, seeds, etc. It was rough - but getting better ever since. I wish I would have used fake chew (smokey mtn) in the very beginning just until the nic withdrawals wore off. For me, the oral fixation was/is strong. Now that I've found smokey mtn - I seem to be dippin almost as much as I was before. Granted, it's not nic (and breath smells better, etc) - but it's still "chew habit" you know? Next step is to try to slow that down as well, maybe keep it to 2 dips per day. Anyone else dip the fake stuff a lot? Any better alternatives for this oral fixation??
There are definitely differing opinions on the fake chew. Some guys say it's too much like the real thing or just want a clean break from having something in their pie hole.
I am in the "whatever it takes" camp. I tried half of the fake chew brands under the sun in the first few weeks. Some sucked, some were great. I used it quite often at first, sometimes as oftof or more than i used to dip, but eventually, you just kind of no longer need it/forget about it and stop doing it. I say if it helps you beat cravings down keep it around. I've probably got 5 cans of hooch spitfire laying around but only use it once a week or so. In my opinion fake is a very powerful tool in kicking a fresh quit crave right in the sack.
I also chewed on beef jerky at the vey beginning, but jerky gets pricey, so it's hard to sustain that for a long time. I still chew seeds regularly. I'm trying to fill wrigley field with seeds this season, but they keep sweeping them up for some reason. Gum, atomic fireballs, lifesavers, tea tree tooth picks are also other common options.
Whatever it takes to keep that shit out if your mouth. Proud to quit with you.