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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Highwayman1890 on August 01, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
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It's been 10 year since the first dip. Every day since I have had a can in my pocket and a spit cup in or around me and I'm quitting today. I'm in a full sweat thinking about the commitment I'll be tied to after I submit this. I'm 28 years old and about to be 29 and I'm ready to be done. Every morning I find myself tacking on "A can of Copenhagen long cut" to every purchase from a gas station, but tomorrow will be the first day that I don't say it. I'm terrified of cancer, terrified of the diseases that will come from dipping, and tired of telling myself that I'll quit next week, next month, in 2012, whatever. I dip when I'm bored, when I'm happy, in movie theaters, road trips, mornings, on the way to work, on the way home from work, at work, and I'm leaving it behind today. I've never posted on a message board and still don't really know how to work them but I'll stay with it and post progress in the days and months following. If anyone has any tricks or help let me know as I'm sure I'll need it. I'm starting with patches and gum to see where that takes me but right now I'm looking down a very long, very challenging road to freedom. By Thanksgiving I'll be 100 days in and I'll see you guys in the HOF posts.
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Welcome highwayman - throw away the patch and gum. You're just delaying your quit.
A common misconception - you're not addicted to dip. You're addicted to nicotine. Dip is a habit. Nicotine is an addiction. The patch and gum just keep fueling that addiction.
When you've come clean of all nicotine, the November quit group will be ready for you.
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I can sure relate to your description of a life absolutely defined by a stupid habit. Dipping became who you are. It's what you did whenever you did just about anything.
Not any more. Congratulations!
You've redefined yourself. You are a quitter. You quit first thing in the morning and at the end of the day, when you're happy or bored, when you drive, fish, golf, hike, or lay around on the padded furniture with a beer resting on your formerly-spit-stained wife-beater. You were a slave to chew. Now you're a slave to your word. I don't know you, but I like the new guy a lot better.
It's all wishing you were someone else though, until you get rid of the nicotine. Until then, you're still a user.
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I'm in a full sweat thinking about the commitment I'll be tied to after I submit this.
Damn right you are. But guess what? You CAN do this. My story is no different from yours. All it takes if for you to make the DECISION that you will not ingest nicotine today. Post that promise for all to see. Expect a promise, in return, from all of us that we won't use nic today either.
There are folks here who have been quit for years...but they did it one day at a time. Post roll. Keep your word. Get up tomorrow and repeat. It will save your life if you let it.
Yell if you need anything.
gmann 206 days of freedom
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A trick I used was to NOT deprive myself of anything else I wanted. If I wanted a Big Mac, I got a Big Mac...maybe 2. You will gain weight but it can come off later.
Exercise also will help clear up the fog and get your mind off of dip for a few minutes.
Drink a TON of water. I liked 1/2 water, 1/2 cranberry juice.
Get some melatonin for sleep.
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I'm in a full sweat thinking about the commitment I'll be tied to after I submit this.
Damn right you are. But guess what? You CAN do this. My story is no different from yours. All it takes if for you to make the DECISION that you will not ingest nicotine today. Post that promise for all to see. Expect a promise, in return, from all of us that we won't use nic today either.
There are folks here who have been quit for years...but they did it one day at a time. Post roll. Keep your word. Get up tomorrow and repeat. It will save your life if you let it.
Yell if you need anything.
gmann 206 days of freedom
Like Gmann says...,ONE DAY AT A TIME! That's all we ask! We Worry about today for now and and deal with tomorrow when tomorrow comes! 1063 Days free...
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I a little trick I used...
I didn't put dip in my mouth. They don't make a harry potter flavor. Shit just ain't going to magically get in there on its own.
I make a firm conscious decision each day that I will not use nicotine in any form. From that point I follow through with said decision. Like my dad always told me growing up..."say what you mean, mean what you say." I've backed up my commitment to quit with action for damn near 500 days. You can make that same choice too.
And really buddy...you ain't quitting from what I read below. So don't go get all worried about how you are going to make this happen. You are just changing your delivery method. Patches and gum??? Maybe you could consider also throwing in an occasional pack of camels.
First thing you need to do is acknowledge you are addicted to nicotine. Then see where that takes you.
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I a little trick I used...
I didn't put dip in my mouth. They don't make a harry potter flavor. Shit just ain't going to magically get in there on its own.
I make a firm conscious decision each day that I will not use nicotine in any form. From that point I follow through with said decision. Like my dad always told me growing up..."say what you mean, mean what you say." I've backed up my commitment to quit with action for damn near 500 days. You can make that same choice too.
And really buddy...you ain't quitting from what I read below. So don't go get all worried about how you are going to make this happen. You are just changing your delivery method. Patches and gum??? Maybe you could consider also throwing in an occasional pack of camels.
First thing you need to do is acknowledge you are addicted to nicotine. Then see where that takes you.
Uh, I missed the patches and gum part. You ain't quitting, buddy. You're addicted to nicotine. Why on earth would you keep ingesting it? Seriously, I used the nic gum for 7 days. It's easy to quit when you're still using nicotine. Because you ain't quit.
After seven days on the gum, I started thinking I should just start dipping again because I still hadn't broken my addiction to nicotine. 'Crazy'
Because of this site, I realized that was nothing more than my addiction trying to convince me to start using again. Thank goodness I wised up and tossed the damn gum and really quit. That was 207 days ago. Was it tough? Damn straight. Is it going to be tough for you? You bet. Can you do it? Absolutely, if you make the DECISION that you will do WHATEVER it takes to stay nic free. Will it get better? Absolutely, and it's SO worth it.
Stop delaying the inevitable. You aren't going to step down your nicotine intake and make it suck less. Who are you going to believe? Doctors who have read studies, some probably funded by nicotine gum/patches/lozenges manufacturers........,or a bunch of dudes who are addicts and have taken back their lives? We have the tools. Quit our way. Toss the nic and get busy quitting.
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Go cold turkey man.
It was one of the most difficult yet satisfying things I have ever done in my life. Do not be afraid of withdrawl. The worst of it lasts for maybe 3 or 4 days, then you're body will go through some changes as it adjusts to the lack of harsh cancerous stimulants and shit-foul smelling breath. You'll get headaches, mouth-sores, sore throats, anxiety, fogginess, and possibly the shits, but the freedom you gain in return is well worth it. It's just the price we pay for getting hooked up with that bitch in the first place. You can't use nicotine to lose your addiction of nicotine.
Don't be a pussy. Kick that nasty nic-whore to the curb. Embrace the suck. Join us!
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Alright everyone let's not get to carried away on the "You're still addicted" posts. I get it--I'm not done, I haven't even started, hell it's been four hours since my first post. The decision is one of the hardest parts. To put behind you what has essentially been the constant in all of your life experiences up until this point. Every happiness there was Copenhagen, every sadness, every vacation, every workday, everything involved a little tin capped can of addiction. And now it won't. Is it better to believe that "you're one of the select few who hold no chemical dependencies"? Or realize addiction is based in habit and chemical reactions and allow for a period of acceptance and weaning? I mean really. Sure after "578 days without nicotine" you become ideologically self righteous and want everyone to realize that nicotine is the problem and the gum, or the patches, or lozenges isn't the answer so I do thank you for the words of support and the general sentiment that "I haven't quit anything yet", but quite frankly I'm not sure support should come in the form of "What I'm not doing". If I had quit 2 months ago and was still on the patches, on the gum, sure--let me have it. But it's not. It's been close to 4 total hours since the post, on the first day. Allow for some damn breathing room to accept and control my decision and beat this addiction, instead of basically saying that I'm not doing anything. You know what I'm not doing? Dipping. And in whatever way I choose to get off not only dipping, but nicotine so be it. If I need a crutch to help initially isn't it better than going at it alone to "beat it with my mind"? Having a setback and failing and adding the feeling of failure to an addiction makes things worse. At least I'm able to rationally realize that maybe I just can't do it cold turkey instead of being another statistic with an introductory post on a website claiming "I'm quitting today" then falling into the black masses of your archives? Because I'm sure there are countless "accounts" set up for one or two days of people who want to quit cold turkey and then caving. So again, while I appreciate those who have complimented my decision I ask those who believe that the only way to go is cutting your addicted self-medicating nicotine riddled brain off completely to please just respect the decision and think of ways to step yourself down off Nicotine gum instead of clamoring that I'm not even participating.
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Alright everyone let's not get to carried away on the "You're still addicted" posts. I get it--I'm not done, I haven't even started, hell it's been four hours since my first post. The decision is one of the hardest parts. To put behind you what has essentially been the constant in all of your life experiences up until this point. Every happiness there was Copenhagen, every sadness, every vacation, every workday, everything involved a little tin capped can of addiction. And now it won't. Is it better to believe that "you're one of the select few who hold no chemical dependencies"? Or realize addiction is based in habit and chemical reactions and allow for a period of acceptance and weaning? I mean really. Sure after "578 days without nicotine" you become ideologically self righteous and want everyone to realize that nicotine is the problem and the gum, or the patches, or lozenges isn't the answer so I do thank you for the words of support and the general sentiment that "I haven't quit anything yet", but quite frankly I'm not sure support should come in the form of "What I'm not doing". If I had quit 2 months ago and was still on the patches, on the gum, sure--let me have it. But it's not. It's been close to 4 total hours since the post, on the first day. Allow for some damn breathing room to accept and control my decision and beat this addiction, instead of basically saying that I'm not doing anything. You know what I'm not doing? Dipping. And in whatever way I choose to get off not only dipping, but nicotine so be it. If I need a crutch to help initially isn't it better than going at it alone to "beat it with my mind"? Having a setback and failing and adding the feeling of failure to an addiction makes things worse. At least I'm able to rationally realize that maybe I just can't do it cold turkey instead of being another statistic with an introductory post on a website claiming "I'm quitting today" then falling into the black masses of your archives? Because I'm sure there are countless "accounts" set up for one or two days of people who want to quit cold turkey and then caving. So again, while I appreciate those who have complimented my decision I ask those who believe that the only way to go is cutting your addicted self-medicating nicotine riddled brain off completely to please just respect the decision and think of ways to step yourself down off Nicotine gum instead of clamoring that I'm not even participating.
you asked us for help. it was offered. choose to do what you see fit.
just understand that we know the way out. you got to decide if you want to follow.
you feel free to hang around here as long as you want post in the intro section and quit cafe...quit groups and wildcard section are reserved only for members who are nicotine free.
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Well said. Much appreciated.
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Alright everyone let's not get to carried away on the "You're still addicted" posts. I get it--I'm not done, I haven't even started, hell it's been four hours since my first post. The decision is one of the hardest parts. To put behind you what has essentially been the constant in all of your life experiences up until this point. Every happiness there was Copenhagen, every sadness, every vacation, every workday, everything involved a little tin capped can of addiction. And now it won't. Is it better to believe that "you're one of the select few who hold no chemical dependencies"? Or realize addiction is based in habit and chemical reactions and allow for a period of acceptance and weaning? I mean really. Sure after "578 days without nicotine" you become ideologically self righteous and want everyone to realize that nicotine is the problem and the gum, or the patches, or lozenges isn't the answer so I do thank you for the words of support and the general sentiment that "I haven't quit anything yet", but quite frankly I'm not sure support should come in the form of "What I'm not doing". If I had quit 2 months ago and was still on the patches, on the gum, sure--let me have it. But it's not. It's been close to 4 total hours since the post, on the first day. Allow for some damn breathing room to accept and control my decision and beat this addiction, instead of basically saying that I'm not doing anything. You know what I'm not doing? Dipping. And in whatever way I choose to get off not only dipping, but nicotine so be it. If I need a crutch to help initially isn't it better than going at it alone to "beat it with my mind"? Having a setback and failing and adding the feeling of failure to an addiction makes things worse. At least I'm able to rationally realize that maybe I just can't do it cold turkey instead of being another statistic with an introductory post on a website claiming "I'm quitting today" then falling into the black masses of your archives? Because I'm sure there are countless "accounts" set up for one or two days of people who want to quit cold turkey and then caving. So again, while I appreciate those who have complimented my decision I ask those who believe that the only way to go is cutting your addicted self-medicating nicotine riddled brain off completely to please just respect the decision and think of ways to step yourself down off Nicotine gum instead of clamoring that I'm not even participating.
you asked us for help. it was offered. choose to do what you see fit.
just understand that we know the way out. you got to decide if you want to follow.
you feel free to hang around here as long as you want post in the intro section and quit cafe...quit groups and wildcard section are reserved only for members who are nicotine free.
Let me add to what bama said by using this story told by Leo to Josh on the west wing:
"This guy's walking down the street when he falls in a hole. The walls are so steep he can't get out.
"A doctor passes by and the guy shouts up, 'Hey you. Can you help me out?' The doctor writes a prescription, throws it down in the hole and moves on.
"Then a priest comes along and the guy shouts up, 'Father, I'm down in this hole can you help me out?' The priest writes out a prayer, throws it down in the hole and moves on
"Then a friend walks by, 'Hey, Joe, it's me can you help me out?' And the friend jumps in the hole. Our guy says, 'Are you stupid? Now we're both down here.' The friend says, 'Yeah, but I've been down here before and I know the way out.'"
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We have heard your story before hundreds of times. What makes you so much different that the rest of us?
If I can go cold turkey, any one can. Your not special so quit treating yourself that way. Jump on our wagon and let's ride!!
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If I need a crutch to help initially isn't it better than going at it alone to "beat it with my mind"?
NO. It is not. You don't see the fight yet. The actual battle that you will face daily. That battle is within you. Sure I sound like I ate a little too much paper during the 90s but its true. The crutch does nothing to help you fight this. All it does is provide a door for you to knock on to get to your enemy. Once its gone, you face your enemy. The battle is you and the addict and both of them live in your mind. If you have the ability to quit at all, you have the ability now regardless of whether there is a crutch involved or not.
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Hey Highwayman,
I am glad you are here. I am not going to judge you, I get where your head is at. Here are two links for you to read and consider. The first is a link on cessation aids. http://www.killthecan.org/robs/nrt.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/robs/nrt.asp) You may conclude they are not all that great anyhooo.
The second link is called "The Law of Addiction". It is as true as the law of gravity. http://www.killthecan.org/robs/law.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/robs/law.asp)
I cite this because it is a scientific explanation to the concept of quitting cold turkey. Or as others have rightly stated, one is not addicted to a nicotine delivery method, one is addicted to nicotine. Your doppamines or however you spell it have no clue how they got the nic, the are just damn glad you gave it to them. They are hooked on it.
There is a reason we are tying to sell you in quitting now and cold turkey. (1) We know it works. (2) Statistics have demonstrated that a potential quitters only give it a go every 2 to 5 years. You are so close to quitting and dammit we have a plan that works. Quitting one day at a time. That makes it easier. Not for ever, just today. If you want to chat shoot me an PM. I am happy to chat on the phone.
You can do this. Flush, post and quit. You will have my support.
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Anyway, what kind of crutch is that? If you want your broken leg to heal, stop injuring it by putting weight on it, it seems to me. Is that a lame analogy? How can you lean on your addiction? It's counter-intuitive - and having tried it in the past, as many others here have, I have reason to believe it's a waste of time and gives false hope.
I won't say that ours is the only way. But it's no secret what OUR way is. Choose whatever way you please and good luck to you. But the love in the room will grow cold if you promote nicotine as an aid to quitting nicotine here, in a no-nicotine community.
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I'm just saying you're not addicted to Copenhagen. You're addicted to nicotine. This would be like saying you're an alcoholic and switching from beer to wine spritzers. Just saying ... understand what your addiction is.
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I'm just saying you're not addicted to Copenhagen. You're addicted to nicotine. This would be like saying you're an alcoholic and switching from beer to wine spritzers. Just saying ... understand what your addiction is.
The worse thing u can do when quitting nicotine is prolong those first 3 days. That is just torturing yourself. Get by those 3 days and then nicotine is out of your system. Dave -152 days free-
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Highwayman -
The addict side of your brain is trying to trick fuck you. You want to quit. For an addict, that instills fear. The way the addict in you is attempting to overcome this is to say I will quit with a "crutch." Dude, that is not quitting. That is being a pussy because you are still using. You have not quit anything. Why? Because you are not addicted to tobacco. You are addicted to nicotine. Think about it. You are a junkie addicted to nicotine. The addicted part of your brain has rationalized that you can quit by giving it more nicotine, just in a different form. Does this make sense? Of course not. As someone below said, this is no different than giving an alcoholic beer instead of vodka. Same drug, different delivery agent. Until you understand this, there is no need for you to come to these parts. There are other sites on the Internet where quitting with NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is welcome and even embraced. But here at KTC, we quit extreme, which is cold turkey, because there is really no other way. I speak from experience. 13 years ago I tried to "quit" using Nicorette. While on the gum, I felt great. After 2 months, I figured I would quit the gum because I had conquered my "addiction" to tobacco. I was also tired of paying for the gum, which cost more than dip, at least back then. Dude, within a day or 2 of quitting the gum, I was finger-banging cans again and throwing in 4 finger lippers. And that will be you, trust me. Again, there is only one way to quit. Cold fucking turkey. As someone else said, until you fully embrace this notion, you will not receive much love or support from too many folks on this site, including me. Once you see the light, I will be in your corner, doing everything I can within my power to help you Kill the Can.
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Well I'm still here, and I'm not going anywhere. By the end of the month I'll be ready to post roll. I have dropped from the typical 255 mg nicotine (one can of Copenhagen) to 4, 4mg pieces of gum and plan to work back from that as follows.
8/2 - 8/7 (4 pieces) 16mg
8/8 - 8/14 (3 pieces) 12mg
8/15 - 8/21( 2 pieces) 8mg
8/22 - 8/28 ( 1 piece) 4 mg
8/29 - Post roll
Now I haven't posted this in any "off limits" areas so everyone can just calm the fuck down. I get why I'm addicted, I get that nicotine gum is not a replacement for cope, and I am not advocating or promoting using it in or around your website. In fact I appreciate the candid responses and testimonials contained within this post and within this site. But this is how I'm doing it. For those of you who are of the mindset of "fuck that guy until he totally quits" I understand and will talk with you soon when I'm in the nic-free rooms. For the other, more reflective and introspective group of people reading this please realize that this is to increase my chances of success not to prolong a dangerous addiction. If you take issue with this fine, I'm not trying to start a high school style facebook-esque message board argument, just trying to make the point that I'm not uneducated about this matter, I'm not going into it blind or without experience and I have no fucking ideas of failing, so you can jump on board with me now or get the fuck out of my way.
-I'm quitting with or without you and would prefer to do it with you guys behind me.
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Reflection: by posting your nicotine reduction plan here, you are promoting quitting by nicotine reduction.
Insight: People will argue with you when you do that, because it gives us the opportunity to promote our way instead of yours. We enjoy arguing this point, and we will not be persuaded to stop.
If you don't like that, you are your own problem. You are responsible for wasting your own time, and YOU are in your OWN way.
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Reflection: by posting your nicotine reduction plan here, you are promoting quitting by nicotine reduction.Â
Insight: People will argue with you when you do that, because it gives us the opportunity to promote our way instead of yours. We enjoy arguing this point, and we will not be persuaded to stop.
If you don't like that, you are your own problem. You are responsible for wasting your own time, and YOU are in your OWN way.
But Nine, I need to use nicotine to help me stop using nicotine. Why don't you mean people understand this? My doctor said I should do it this way. No, he's never used tobacco at all, but he read a bunch of studies performed by nicotine gum manufacturers that said buying their product was the way to quit.
If you post roll, I'll be behind you. I've just seen these types of plans fail too many times. The only way to quit is to.....well...QUIT.
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Reflection: by posting your nicotine reduction plan here, you are promoting quitting by nicotine reduction.Â
Insight: People will argue with you when you do that, because it gives us the opportunity to promote our way instead of yours.  We enjoy arguing this point, and we will not be persuaded to stop.
If you don't like that, you are your own problem. You are responsible for wasting your own time, and YOU are in your OWN way.
But Nine, I need to use nicotine to help me stop using nicotine. Why don't you mean people understand this? My doctor said I should do it this way. No, he's never used tobacco at all, but he read a bunch of studies performed by nicotine gum manufacturers that said buying their product was the way to quit.
If you post roll, I'll be behind you. I've just seen these types of plans fail too many times. The only way to quit is to.....well...QUIT.
Unique......Special....Butterfly....still....not....quit
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The only way to QUIT is cold turkey. Man up Bro and throw away the patches and gum. You need to feel that NIC coming out of your body.
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Look, I could give a fuck if you mock me. If you were really concerned about addiction each and every one of you would give up drinking, another chemical addiction we don't talk about on the boards because it's not what you want to quit, not what you choose to give up. But you're not. You're concerned with promoting your own philosophy and running off anyone who doesn't totally agree. How many people do you think you've turned off because you act like children replying to their posts? How man people could you have fucking helped? That's what you should be concerned about before you start passing judgement. You have a great support system for each other but your outreach is bullshit. I'll quit but I'm sure as fuck not buying into any of this. So tell me you've seen it before, tell me I'm gonna fail by starting with nic gum, tell me whatever the fuck you want to because I'm done listening.
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Look, I could give a fuck if you mock me. If you were really concerned about addiction each and every one of you would give up drinking, another chemical addiction we don't talk about on the boards because it's not what you want to quit, not what you choose to give up. But you're not. You're concerned with promoting your own philosophy and running off anyone who doesn't totally agree. How many people do you think you've turned off because you act like children replying to their posts? How man people could you have fucking helped? That's what you should be concerned about before you start passing judgement. You have a great support system for each other but your outreach is bullshit. I'll quit but I'm sure as fuck not buying into any of this. So tell me you've seen it before, tell me I'm gonna fail by starting with nic gum, tell me whatever the fuck you want to because I'm done listening.
No worries. When you are ready I am behind you.
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Look, I could give a fuck if you mock me. If you were really concerned about addiction each and every one of you would give up drinking, another chemical addiction we don't talk about on the boards because it's not what you want to quit, not what you choose to give up. But you're not. You're concerned with promoting your own philosophy and running off anyone who doesn't totally agree. How many people do you think you've turned off because you act like children replying to their posts? How man people could you have fucking helped? That's what you should be concerned about before you start passing judgement. You have a great support system for each other but your outreach is bullshit. I'll quit but I'm sure as fuck not buying into any of this. So tell me you've seen it before, tell me I'm gonna fail by starting with nic gum, tell me whatever the fuck you want to because I'm done listening.
Although not the main purpose of this site, there is an alcohol support group here as well. I read that thread everyday. There are a bunch of dual quitters in there, but you have to be nic free to go there, and I suggest you do when you quit nic.
I honestly think the other quit site will let you post while on your NRT plan. Please understand that my advice comes from the perspective of a nic gum user. I can't make you follow my advice, but if you post here, I'm going to give it to you. Also, please re-read my post and I think you'll note that I said I would support you if you were ever nic free. I just know the statistics say you are more likely to be quit on August 29 if you do it our way than if you follow your plan below.
By the way, if we weren't concerned about helping you get quit, there would be nothing here but your first post.
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I tried nicotine replacement the old fashioned way, not once but many times.
1. Skoal was burning a hole in my lip. I bought a can of Copenhagen and tapered off my Skoal use, until soon I was successfully sucking Cope full time.
2. Cope makes me gag. I bought a bag of Redman and gradually completely replaced my need for Copenhagen.
3. Redman is too sweet and rotted my teeth. I bought a pack of Nicorettes and soon wasn't using Redman at all.
4. Nicorettes gave me a sick headache. I bought a can of Skoal.
Yes. I am being a smartass.
I know that the idea of gradual reduction is to make withdrawal easier. I won't say it doesn't work as far as that goes. But increase your chance of success? 35+ years of experience calls this FRAUD.
If you do not sustain your resolve to quit, you cannot stay quit by any method. If you become completely and unalterably committed, you will quit and you will stay that way. Otherwise, the "method" makes absolutely zero difference in the end. That is our point. That's why we don't put any stock in "treatments'. All of our emphasis is on building resolve and accountability.
The gap between "reduction" and "quit" is infinite. Complacency, and delusions of dependency, are your most deadly enemies - and a "reduction" strategy is premised on the delusion of dependency.
ONLY the passion to stay quit will keep you quit. That's the "method" you'll see promoted here. Maybe we should call it HOT Turkey.
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Look, I could give a fuck if you mock me. If you were really concerned about addiction each and every one of you would give up drinking, another chemical addiction we don't talk about on the boards because it's not what you want to quit, not what you choose to give up. But you're not. You're concerned with promoting your own philosophy and running off anyone who doesn't totally agree. How many people do you think you've turned off because you act like children replying to their posts? How man people could you have fucking helped? That's what you should be concerned about before you start passing judgement. You have a great support system for each other but your outreach is bullshit. I'll quit but I'm sure as fuck not buying into any of this. So tell me you've seen it before, tell me I'm gonna fail by starting with nic gum, tell me whatever the fuck you want to because I'm done listening.
Whatever, dude. Either quit, listen to the advice and help you asked for, or take off. If you know better than a site full of actual quitters and refuse to listen to the collective wisdom on the site, why the fuck are you even here?
Ditch the nrt, post roll, and watch the support roll in.
Or
Continue to do it your way. Alone.
Your call.
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... tell me whatever the fuck you want to because I'm done listening.
We shall, even after you're done listening, tell you stuff you don't want to hear. If that means our outreach sucks, that's because we're not selling anything. (Unlike the gum manufacturer).
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Fuck. That seems to be the overall word that seems to circle around, and around, and around in my mind. It's there because I'm wrong and I've spent 2 days defending an idea-- a perspective that I thought was right in the beginning but seems after reading research, testimonials, postings, and responses on this site-- seems inexperienced. I've argued, thought, argued, fought, and argued and no one's stance on the matter ever changed. The scary thing about those who won't compromise their belief for a "better way", or a newer way is that they don't make excuses either. I figure that's a pretty good way to live. I also figure that this site is full of nicotine free, violently angry (sometimes) people who are trying to make a perpetual change in their life. One that wouldn't need to be made if dipping wasn't so damn convenient, and so damn temporarily effective. So, starting right now at 6:40 pm I'm nicotine free. No gum, no nothing. I AM sick of the excuses and you guys just sat there while I basically ripped into everything you've accomplished, everything you've gone through and just kept on. I guess this is my roll call for the day ( I still can't say I totally get how to do that yet) and another one will be in tomorrow morning around 8:30am). After roughly 10 years, 4 months and five pieces of nicotine gum I'm out.
---See you boys in the mornin'.
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I look forward to quitting with you. I am 9 days in and going strong. See you at roll call in the am.
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I will post your name up for you today. Today is day 1. Tomorrow is day 2. First, and foremost. I want to thank you. This is the most awesome thing that happened to me today. Quit today and I quit with you.
You are the man.
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You, sir, are a stand-up guy to come back and say that. Hats off.
I am here to help, and I am not alone.
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I've been following the discussion but haven't commented as of yet and now can't help it. Highwayman, you also made my day, you sir are a badass quitter. I'm proud of your quit and proud to be quit with you. Thank you for impacting MY quit today, I also am stronger because of you. You sound like a fighter, the nic bitch better look out. My money is on you today.
Denny
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You, sir, are a stand-up guy to come back and say that. Hats off.
I am here to help, and I am not alone.
Impressive. Take a lot of balls to publicly see the error of your ways. You'll need those balls during your quit.
The first three days suck, but you'll never have to do them again.
Proud to be quit with you.
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Welcome. It's going to suck, but if I can do it, you can do it. Yell if you need anything.
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Embrace the suck---let the nic bitch show how much you are addicted---SO YOU NEVER FORGET. JUST QUIT TODAY--THAT'S YOUR ONLY JOB--THEN REPEAT PLEDGE TOMORROW---WE ARE WITH YOU.
pm me if you need anything!
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You can do this.
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You have made a wise choice. Not only have you decided to save your life but you have also actualized your balls. You will see just how fucking strong a guy you are once you start battling the bitch and winning. Everyone on this thread has backbone. Everyone knows that battle and are winning. Congrats brother. I'm real happy you have changed your mind. See...no anger. Calm, accepting brother with open arms over here.
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Congrats on your quit! You got this, If I can do this, anyone can. I am quit with you today.
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By the way, if we weren't concerned about helping you get quit, there would be nothing here but your first post.
Gold. Pure fucking gold.
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Fuck. That seems to be the overall word that seems to circle around, and around, and around in my mind. It's there because I'm wrong and I've spent 2 days defending an idea-- a perspective that I thought was right in the beginning but seems after reading research, testimonials, postings, and responses on this site-- seems inexperienced. I've argued, thought, argued, fought, and argued and no one's stance on the matter ever changed. The scary thing about those who won't compromise their belief for a "better way", or a newer way is that they don't make excuses either. I figure that's a pretty good way to live. I also figure that this site is full of nicotine free, violently angry (sometimes) people who are trying to make a perpetual change in their life. One that wouldn't need to be made if dipping wasn't so damn convenient, and so damn temporarily effective. So, starting right now at 6:40 pm I'm nicotine free. No gum, no nothing. I AM sick of the excuses and you guys just sat there while I basically ripped into everything you've accomplished, everything you've gone through and just kept on. I guess this is my roll call for the day ( I still can't say I totally get how to do that yet) and another one will be in tomorrow morning around 8:30am). After roughly 10 years, 4 months and five pieces of nicotine gum I'm out.
---See you boys in the mornin'.
After reading your other introduction and then this one, Ready tips his hat and says, "welcome quitter."
I have high expectations of you now that I have read all of it.
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Highwayman, you have seen the light. Welcome to Freedom. I am in your corner and proud to be quit with you, sir.
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Highwayman - I don't know you. You don't know me. But I am so fricken proud of you for your decision. Seeing somebody recognize this method works when they were so committed to another way...
You sir, have something to be proud of today. And I'm proud to be quit with you.
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I'm 7 days into my quit and standing side by side with you. Pain is only weakness leaving the body - those pains you will feel truly are just weaknesses - you don't need that filthy bitch anymore! I'm feeling it so came to the gym to transfer that pain to weight reps - seeing another person going thru it with me motivates me more. Send a shout out if you need anything.
Paul
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Welcome! Let's get to quittin'!
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you have also actualized your balls.
'crackup'
Soul that is epic!
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Thanks to all for the support. Posted roll this morning and it looks like it's something I'll be looking forward to doing daily. Can't tell you how much your conviction and dedication to the quit has motivated and impacted me.
"When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on"
-FDR
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Thanks to all for the support. Posted roll this morning and it looks like it's something I'll be looking forward to doing daily. Can't tell you how much your conviction and dedication to the quit has motivated and impacted me.
"When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on"
-FDR
excellent job, HM. posting roll is one of the best parts of my day, and i have to practice some self-control to not spend too much time here during the work day. bask in the support and wisdom. submit yourself to the process. be a part of someone else's solution.
proud to be quit with you.
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Highway, I just read this thread and your other intro thread and I have to say...congratulations on a great decision.
It's scary to quit. We know. We also know you can do this.
Yes, it will suck for a few days. We also know you CAN do this.
Just today. Concern yourself ONLY with today...
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This is my second time on the site. I quit back in 2011, made my 100 days, got the accolades, and felt really good about what I'd accomplished (before anyone makes a comment, I'm sorry for another profile--I can't remember my original username and/or the email it was attached to so I'm starting over, but I don't want to mislead anyone into thinking I'm brand new).
After I made that 100 days I fell off the site. Quit engaging, quit posting roll and I was doing really good for months,
Until Dove Season.
So armed with a sense of accomplishment and no accountability I had a dip from a buddy. Then another. That night I bought a can--
and here I am almost 3 years later.
I've been a Ninja too, dipping in bathrooms, while my wife is at work or out of town, or running errands.
It seems that my life revolves around a gold topped can, and while I can't believe it happened again, if I continue to deny it I'll find myself 3 years from now, dealing with the addiction I should have killed in 2011.
There's certainly enough reason to quit. I've been married for a little over a year now to my best friend, and in March we're expecting our first so I have plenty to look forward to in place of filling my mouth with tobacco, but a little denial and a little procrastination make for a virtual treasure trove of excuses and absolution.
Today is the day though.
Had I never left I could have gotten my comma almost a full year ago. Instead, I'm starting at Day 1 again getting ready for the 72 hour withdraw and the inevitable fog that follows.
The reason I'm quit is because I want a life without the specter of mouth/throat/lip cancer, and the reason I'm back is because this site works.
To the new guys reading this message in the throes of withdraw, it will get better. Stay with your quit group, post your name everyday, and participate in the site. It strengthens your bond to your buddies, in turn strengthening your quit.
To the old guard who've read a hundred posts just like mine, you're advice and involvement on the page is what keeps people quit (while they're here). Thanks for keeping this site alive, because prodigals like me need it.
Here's to a new quit.
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Hey there Bobca,
I am on day 2 of my first time trying to quit (cope snuff, 15 yrs, one can per day). Looking forward to quitting this with you!
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Better go post roll in December. somekne will help you figure your username thing out
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Andre already posted in December.
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Yes good luck. Thanks for coming clean, and hope you can stay quit. I too fell back into it after about 7 months nic free about 5 years ago. You can do it
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I think you've figured out why you caved. You left the brotherhood and accountability behind. I think oen of the first things you need to do is find your original group and apologize to them. You let them down.
I quit with you.
Semper Fi
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After some research it appears that your username may have been Highwayman1890 (http://forum.killthecan.org/profile/205730/). His favorite team was also the Texas State Bobcats, and let's be honest, can't be too many of them. Kidding aside, I bet your November 2011 brothers would be interested to hear from you.
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Good work on coming clean. I have been through KTC and also failed. But I just ticked over my 1 year quit date and now looking towards tomorrow and 400.
What will you do differently this time? Sounds like you know a lot of the KTC koolaid but will you do what you preach?
Also, it is time to get this bandaid off and tell the MRS, tell her about the site and that you are an addict.
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Bump for possible merge with BobcaTexan.
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(from former BobcaTexan)
Guys
Thanks for the words and the advice.
1. My Wife knows I've been dipping for awhile. While she doesn't know the extent of dipping or how often, she isn't under the impression I quit.
2. I posted in my Original group. It's like a nostalgic kick in the face to see my name there--Thanks to King for finding what I couldn't.
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(from former BobcaTexan)
Guys
Thanks for the words and the advice.
1. My Wife knows I've been dipping for awhile. While she doesn't know the extent of dipping or how often, she isn't under the impression I quit.
2. I posted in my Original group. It's like a nostalgic kick in the face to see my name there--Thanks to King for finding what I couldn't.
Awesome job and I like the message in that post. Post in there with them everyday as well as your December 2015 group. The farther your tentacles are spread, the less likely you will be to fall away again.
You're welcome on finding the old username. It was really pretty simple, I just searched "Bobcats" in 2011. Lo and behold Highwayman1890 rooted for the TSU Bobcats as well in 2011. Like I said before, couldn't be too many of you. I wish I could say it was more impressive than that, but it wasn't.
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This is my second time on the site. I quit back in 2011, made my 100 days, got the accolades, and felt really good about what I'd accomplished (before anyone makes a comment, I'm sorry for another profile--I can't remember my original username and/or the email it was attached to so I'm starting over, but I don't want to mislead anyone into thinking I'm brand new).
After I made that 100 days I fell off the site. Quit engaging, quit posting roll and I was doing really good for months,
Until Dove Season.
So armed with a sense of accomplishment and no accountability I had a dip from a buddy. Then another. That night I bought a can--
and here I am almost 3 years later.
I've been a Ninja too, dipping in bathrooms, while my wife is at work or out of town, or running errands.
It seems that my life revolves around a gold topped can, and while I can't believe it happened again, if I continue to deny it I'll find myself 3 years from now, dealing with the addiction I should have killed in 2011.
There's certainly enough reason to quit. I've been married for a little over a year now to my best friend, and in March we're expecting our first so I have plenty to look forward to in place of filling my mouth with tobacco, but a little denial and a little procrastination make for a virtual treasure trove of excuses and absolution.
Today is the day though.
Had I never left I could have gotten my comma almost a full year ago. Instead, I'm starting at Day 1 again getting ready for the 72 hour withdraw and the inevitable fog that follows.
The reason I'm quit is because I want a life without the specter of mouth/throat/lip cancer, and the reason I'm back is because this site works.
To the new guys reading this message in the throes of withdraw, it will get better. Stay with your quit group, post your name everyday, and participate in the site. It strengthens your bond to your buddies, in turn strengthening your quit.
To the old guard who've read a hundred posts just like mine, you're advice and involvement on the page is what keeps people quit (while they're here). Thanks for keeping this site alive, because prodigals like me need it.
Here's to a new quit.
Well damn highway man,
Let's get this party started. I'm sure you remember the ropes, go to your former and present quit groups answer the 3 questions, drink your kool-aid and man up. There only words and they sure bet the hell out of cancer! I quit with you today my friend!
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Combined the two intros. You only get one, and you only get 1 name, too.
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Hey man.
I am an October 2011 alum. I didn't spend a whole lot of time in November 2011 because I was still licking my wounds from quitting. I know quite a few from your class and they are badass. I believe a few have even made Vegas trips to commemorate their quit anniversaries. This shit sucks but we take solace in each other. That's why this board is so awesome.
The difference between us is that I continued to walk the walk. Yeah. I fucked up my first time here too. But I've been here day in and day out just holding onto the inspiration that is tossed around here. Take a look through this intro. There are some serious badasses that laid some massive knowledge bombs in here. You responded by laying a giant turd.
I'm not mad. You don't have to prove shit to me. You want to be quit then be quit. Just don't waste mine or anybody else's time to just walk away. You can't prove you're back for good to everybody. You're just going to have to show up, walk with your brothers, and stay the fuck quit.
Come on man. You can do this.
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...trying to quit...
We don't try. I know that's probably not what you meant, but words are important. Using the right words will keep you in the proper mindset for quit.
I am quit today. No doubt about it. I ain't trying. I couldn't use today even if I wanted to because I posted roll this morning. Tomorrow will be another day I post roll and quit. I am quit.
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Highway, I remember you. This thread is littered with support for you. What on earth made you think you could have just one?
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Gmann, I remember you too. And I've gone back through the pages of my last history here and know how much support I got.
what happened is I lost perspective. If you go a year without dipping, all of the sudden cancer isn't so scary, consequences aren't as heavy. In fact if you get really creative you can justify that you haven't done damage in so long, you've got a little time to play with fire again.
So that's what happened. I gave myself too much credit, jumped back on the horse, promised it wouldn't be forever, and since I quit once I can surely quit again on my own now that I know the "ropes" of a quit.
I think we all know how well that turned out.