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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: drawn17 on March 25, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
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A month ago I went to the doctor for a sore mouth and to get medication to quit chewing, she complied and referred me to an ENT due to the condition of my mouth. I was informed by him that although he is unable to feel anything cancerous at this time due to the condition of my mouth, it was full of pre-cancerous cells and if I was to continue it is not a matter of if but when I will develop cancer. Addiotionally, due to the cells in my mouth now there is a likelyhood I will develop it anyway. He wants me back in 2 months to re-assess me and biopsy if needed. With a wife and 3 little kids that seems like a pretty strong motivator right. Fortunately for me a friend tipped me off to you guys and I found someone who knows how tough it is. I had back surgery about 5 years ago and was on pain medicine for 15 months regularly. I was able to kick that no problem (the DT's sucked but they only lasted about 3 days, then I started to almost get a high just knowing I didn't need them anymore) and besides I needed a prescription SA and 7-11 don't sell percocet and oxycontin.
While I have slowed to a crawl and no longer allow it to touch my lower lip I do cheat a couple of times a day with the upper lip in an attempt to wean myself down from the 600 mg/day level I was at. It is starting to get easier to avoid the can but it seems I need those 2-3 chews a day just to motivate me by having something to look forward to.
I have been chewing for 20 years averaging 2 cans a day with an average of 3 cans a day for about the last 3 years. I am trying wellbutrin now, I have patches and gum but have been staying away from them knowing that essentially all I am doing is prolonging what I will eventually have to do anyway. I have people around that would support me but they just don't get it, they don't know how hard it truly is and as a result really have no idea how to support me.
Here it is boys...... I laid it all out there for the first time ever, any help or advice you guys can give me would be great, I cannot post day 1 yet but really want to..........
Thanks,
Devin
If anyone wants to e-mail me with tips feel free drawn17@comcast.net (http://mailto:drawn17@comcast.net)
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First: You did the right thing coming here. This place helps.
Second: Forget the past. You can't change it.
Third: Stop chewing right now. Throw all of that shit away. RIGHT NOW. Throw it somewhere so you won't go rummaging through the garabge for it later tonight. No excuses. No buts. No what if's. It's all bullshit until you quit.
Now join me in hell. And I don't want you to quit just so you can suffer like me, no, I'm not that petty.
Yes I am that petty. But I also want you to quit because I know you can. I'm on day 3. It sucks. It sucks like a ten dollar crack whore. And I despise every second of it. But we're gonna get through it.
If I can get past day 1, so you can you.
If I can get past day 2, so can you...
You get the picture.
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A month ago I went to the doctor for a sore mouth and to get medication to quit chewing, she complied and referred me to an ENT due to the condition of my mouth. I was informed by him that although he is unable to feel anything cancerous at this time due to the condition of my mouth, it was full of pre-cancerous cells and if I was to continue it is not a matter of if but when I will develop cancer. Addiotionally, due to the cells in my mouth now there is a likelyhood I will develop it anyway. He wants me back in 2 months to re-assess me and biopsy if needed. With a wife and 3 little kids that seems like a pretty strong motivator right. Fortunately for me a friend tipped me off to you guys and I found someone who knows how tough it is. I had back surgery about 5 years ago and was on pain medicine for 15 months regularly. I was able to kick that no problem (the DT's sucked but they only lasted about 3 days, then I started to almost get a high just knowing I didn't need them anymore) and besides I needed a prescription SA and 7-11 don't sell percocet and oxycontin.
While I have slowed to a crawl and no longer allow it to touch my lower lip I do cheat a couple of times a day with the upper lip in an attempt to wean myself down from the 600 mg/day level I was at. It is starting to get easier to avoid the can but it seems I need those 2-3 chews a day just to motivate me by having something to look forward to.
I have been chewing for 20 years averaging 2 cans a day with an average of 3 cans a day for about the last 3 years. I am trying wellbutrin now, I have patches and gum but have been staying away from them knowing that essentially all I am doing is prolonging what I will eventually have to do anyway. I have people around that would support me but they just don't get it, they don't know how hard it truly is and as a result really have no idea how to support me.
Here it is boys...... I laid it all out there for the first time ever, any help or advice you guys can give me would be great, I cannot post day 1 yet but really want to..........
Thanks,
Devin
If anyone wants to e-mail me with tips feel free drawn17@comcast.net (http://mailto:drawn17@comcast.net)
Devin
Set a quit date- like tomorrow- register here- dump all your stashes of chew- inform wife and kids- take day 3 off from work if need be- post roll tomorrow and start living your life. It is going to be hell for a while but you can do it. We will all help. There are some great guys in July so get to it!
PS your body will heal if you STOP dipping now!
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Well spoken 64.
Pony up Drawn its never going to happen if you keep on downsizing the dip. Just toss it. you gotta make this thing about you (your quit is for you). Day 10 for me if you asked me 10 days ago I would have told you no fuckin way I would make it this long. But I did and its getting easier (not easy) but easier. Throw your can away and kick the nic bitch in the face..... HARD....
I will stay quit
No nic 4 me
its a Fine, Fine day to quit
Epd223
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Thanks guys..... Brad - meet you in hell
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OK I just chucked my stash but 1 thing for Brad..... you better ride this 1 out with me
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drawn, I'm with you too man.....day three for me as well.
BRAVO on the decision!
Mike
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OK I just chucked my stash but 1 thing for Brad..... you better ride this 1 out with me
*****Good that you chucked your stash, Get ready--- CANDY,GUM,SUNFLOWER SEEDS, Anything you can stick in your lip other than Nic. Get with your group and post roll!!!
Lets all go for a ride to quitsville... ....
Enjoy the quit.......
Epd223
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... I do cheat a couple of times a day with the upper lip in an attempt to wean myself down from the 600 mg/day level I was at. It is starting to get easier to avoid the can but it seems I need those 2-3 chews a day just to motivate me by having something to look forward to.
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That was by far the biggest hurdle for me to get over in the beginning: the feeling that I was missing out on something and that I was being cheated because I wasn't able to get that nicotine-buzz. That part of it goes away very quickly, so just put your head down and plow through it. The nicotine withdrawals lasted four days for me and the feeling of being cheated of my nicotine buzz lasted about 2-3 weeks.
You will never come to a time that feels like it is the perfect time to quit; it will always feel wrong to stop and that's one of the key elements of the nicotine trap.
The only perfect time is right now. Seriously. Spit out the chew if you have one in, post up a day-1 in the July quit group promising not to use any more nicotine today, and keep your word.
You can do this.
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I'm with you Drawn, I promise. And so is everyone else here. These guys are serious. They all know exactly how tough it is.
We're with you. Welcome to day 1. Go post in the roll call thing can join the July group. I'm in June, but I still check July. Go join. Promise never to use nicotene again.
You're gonna feel like shit. Welcome to the club! We meet here everyday. Stay long enough and you might get a cool jacket or something. :)
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Thats the shty part EPD no seeds and no hard candy, nothing that will irritate my mouth doctors orders, and I was just starting to get into the spicy garlic giant seeds too fk
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Thats the shty part EPD no seeds and no hard candy, nothing that will irritate my mouth doctors orders, and I was just starting to get into the spicy garlic giant seeds too fk
How about gum? Just plain ol gum.
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Thats the shty part EPD no seeds and no hard candy, nothing that will irritate my mouth doctors orders, and I was just starting to get into the spicy garlic giant seeds too fk
drawn17,
First off, congratulations on deciding to quit. Great decision my friend. It won't be easy, but stick close to this site for support, it does come in handy. Nothing like support from someone who knows exactly what you're going through, and we all know exactly how you feel. You can do this.
Secondly, I see that your doctor doesn't want anything that can irritate the mouth. I'm not into chewing a lot of candy, seeds, etc...What I have found that helps me, I chew on either straws or toothpicks. That may be something you can try, it doesn't really irritate the mouth. It's not something that you're moving around inside the mouth like gum, candy or seeds might. Just a suggestion that may or may not help you out.
You can do this, we're here for you!
Stay Strong-Stay Quit!
MF
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I don't really know how the roll call works..... is it first day free? the day after.... either way, won't do it again...........
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THANK YOU MOVE....... you reminded cut off zip ties at work holy crap, I used to cut those off, throw them in my mouth and not chew for hours
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Thats the shty part EPD no seeds and no hard candy, nothing that will irritate my mouth doctors orders, and I was just starting to get into the spicy garlic giant seeds too fk
my mouth was pretty trashed in the beginning too. Shredded coconut worked really well; actually made it feel better. Just make sure to get stuff without any added sugar etc. and maybe ask your doc if it's that critical.
As far as roll call, today is your day-1 since you spit out your last dip today.
go here: July 2009 HOF (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2251)
How to post roll call (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
Welcome aboard! We're glad to have you here.
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I'm in your quit group Drawn. Like you...I'm still feeling my way through all this stuff (Day 2) Your not alone.
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You ask a question to help a problem on this site and bro you received mad good advice from everywhere. It is awesome that you put the shit down and awesome that you searched for answers. Now go about the business of quitting anyway that you can.
We will all be hanging around here brother!!!!
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A month ago I went to the doctor for a sore mouth and to get medication to quit chewing, she complied and referred me to an ENT due to the condition of my mouth. I was informed by him that although he is unable to feel anything cancerous at this time due to the condition of my mouth, it was full of pre-cancerous cells and if I was to continue it is not a matter of if but when I will develop cancer. Addiotionally, due to the cells in my mouth now there is a likelyhood I will develop it anyway. He wants me back in 2 months to re-assess me and biopsy if needed. With a wife and 3 little kids that seems like a pretty strong motivator right. Fortunately for me a friend tipped me off to you guys and I found someone who knows how tough it is. I had back surgery about 5 years ago and was on pain medicine for 15 months regularly. I was able to kick that no problem (the DT's sucked but they only lasted about 3 days, then I started to almost get a high just knowing I didn't need them anymore) and besides I needed a prescription SA and 7-11 don't sell percocet and oxycontin.
While I have slowed to a crawl and no longer allow it to touch my lower lip I do cheat a couple of times a day with the upper lip in an attempt to wean myself down from the 600 mg/day level I was at. It is starting to get easier to avoid the can but it seems I need those 2-3 chews a day just to motivate me by having something to look forward to.
I have been chewing for 20 years averaging 2 cans a day with an average of 3 cans a day for about the last 3 years. I am trying wellbutrin now, I have patches and gum but have been staying away from them knowing that essentially all I am doing is prolonging what I will eventually have to do anyway. I have people around that would support me but they just don't get it, they don't know how hard it truly is and as a result really have no idea how to support me.
Here it is boys...... I laid it all out there for the first time ever, any help or advice you guys can give me would be great, I cannot post day 1 yet but really want to..........
Thanks,
Devin
If anyone wants to e-mail me with tips feel free drawn17@comcast.net (http://mailto:drawn17@comcast.net)
Why cant you post day 1 yet?
You "need" 2-3 chews a day to motivate you?
You no longer allow it to touch your lower lip so now you are working on fucking up the upper one too?
The big question is WHY CANT YOU POST DAY 1 YET?
You dont sound like a very bright fella.
That is all I am going to say. Glad these other guys are here for you. I however think that you are not serious about this.
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A month ago I went to the doctor for a sore mouth and to get medication to quit chewing, she complied and referred me to an ENT due to the condition of my mouth. I was informed by him that although he is unable to feel anything cancerous at this time due to the condition of my mouth, it was full of pre-cancerous cells and if I was to continue it is not a matter of if but when I will develop cancer. Addiotionally, due to the cells in my mouth now there is a likelyhood I will develop it anyway. He wants me back in 2 months to re-assess me and biopsy if needed. With a wife and 3 little kids that seems like a pretty strong motivator right. Fortunately for me a friend tipped me off to you guys and I found someone who knows how tough it is. I had back surgery about 5 years ago and was on pain medicine for 15 months regularly. I was able to kick that no problem (the DT's sucked but they only lasted about 3 days, then I started to almost get a high just knowing I didn't need them anymore) and besides I needed a prescription SA and 7-11 don't sell percocet and oxycontin.
   While I have slowed to a crawl and no longer allow it to touch my lower lip I do cheat a couple of times a day with the upper lip in an attempt to wean myself down from the 600 mg/day level I was at. It is starting to get easier to avoid the can but it seems I need those 2-3 chews a day just to motivate me by having something to look forward to.
   I have been chewing for 20 years averaging 2 cans a day with an average of 3 cans a day for about the last 3 years. I am trying wellbutrin now, I have patches and gum but have been staying away from them knowing that essentially all I am doing is prolonging what I will eventually have to do anyway. I have people around that would support me but they just don't get it, they don't know how hard it truly is and as a result really have no idea how to support me.
   Here it is boys...... I laid it all out there for the first time ever, any help or advice you guys can give me would be great, I cannot post day 1 yet but really want to..........
Thanks,
Devin
If anyone wants to e-mail me with tips feel free drawn17@comcast.net (http://mailto:drawn17@comcast.net)
The main thing that sticks out from your post is that you do not appear to have a plan to quit. You plan to quit, but you do not have a plan to do it. Without a plan you will just wander back and forth between methods and rationalizations and will ultimately remain a nicotine addict. That I can promise you.
Answer this first and foremost: Do you want to quit?
If the answer is yes, then you need to have a plan and you need to stick to it. No exceptions. No deviations (unless recommended by a doctor). You need to want to execute your plan. You need to want to quit. If you truly don't, then don't waste your time. But if you really, really do want to quit then you have two options:
Some will tell you that the only plan to quit is cold turkey. If that is your method of quitting, then so be it. Throw your current can away, spit the crap out, and begin your quit. Good luck. It will suck for a while. No doubt about it.
If you believe you need a methodical cessation plan (Meds, patches, weaning, etc..), then please outline that plan in this thread so it is clear to us and you exactly what that plan is. Then it is up to you to make sure you do not, under any circumstances deviate from this plan that will ultimately lead to your quitting (unless recommended by a doctor). I do have some bad news for you if you pick this method - it is not painless. This was my method and it sucked as well.
If you believe you need to try a bunch of types of things and see what seems to fit you best, that's fine. But I'm guessing you will not get much support here for this approach. The people on this site believe in making plans, sticking with them, and meeting all goals no matter how uncomfortable. Not everybody quits the same, but everybody who has successfully quit will tell you they had a plan and stuck to it.
Get a plan (and a clue) and do what you need to do. Quitting will not be painless. Do not kid yourself. There is no easy answer. If you want to quit, it's time to pay up.
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I couldn't post 1 day for 2 reasons, first, I had 1 yesterday in the morning before I posted that and before I threw all of the crap away on everyones advice so I didn't have a day without it yet. 2nd, I have no idea how to and assumed you had to wait until your first day was done.... This will be my first day without it so I thought I would try to find out how to post a day tonight......hope that answers your question mns36..... trading my morning chew for cut off zip ties SUCKS.....
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I couldn't post 1 day for 2 reasons, first, I had 1 yesterday in the morning before I posted that and before I threw all of the crap away on everyones advise so I didn't have a day without it yet. 2nd, I have no idea how to and assumed you had to wait until your first day was done.... This will be my first day without it so I thought I would try to find out how to post a day tonight......hope that answers your question mns36..... trading my morning chew for cut off zip ties SUCKS.....
Here's instructions on posting roll: index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
For my money, day 1 is the day you decide to quit... if you had a dip today but you've decided to quit then today is day 1.
Bottom line is this... make a decision. Stick to it. Quit for today and don't worry about forever. Then quit again tomorrow.
chewie
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Couple things, Drawn...
First, I'm on day 6 so i'm not that far from you. i know how hard the decision to quit is. But, from the sound of your situation, you GOTTA quit. if you're worried about sunflower seeds screwing your lip up, what does that say about the shit we've all been plugging into our faces for years??
Second, I quit at 3pm last friday. I went to roll call and posted day 0 - because I probably had a half dozen lippers that day while the other brothers on this site had none, so out of respect for them, I didn't think I could justify my day being the same as theirs. But, i was motivated to post Day 1 on saturday. An this morning, i posted day 6. Tomorrow, i AM going to post Day 7.
Third, as for substitutes, sounds like you're lip looks like shit and some of the typical solutions won't work for you, in particular salty seeds. Just to satisfy the mental part, i've been wrapping a piece or two of Dentine gum in a quarter piece of napkin and dropping it in like a dip. I get the mint (was a Kodiak Wintergreen bitch) sensation and the plug. Just a thought.
Hang in there. I'm in June with Brad, but we'll come over to July to make sure you're still posting.
-PC
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Thanks for the tip. been working with cut off zip ties so I am either eating, sucking on a zip tie or sucking down a cold beer this SUCKS SHIT and I am pretty sure my wife isn't going to sleep with me for at least 6 months but I have a 2,4, and 6 year old so I was facing at least a 5 month dry spell anyway...
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Thanks for the tip. been working with cut off zip ties so I am either eating, sucking on a zip tie or sucking down a cold beer this SUCKS SHIT and I am pretty sure my wife isn't going to sleep with me for at least 6 months but I have a 2,4, and 6 year old so I was facing at least a 5 month dry spell anyway...
We're right here with ya brother. We're neck deep in this shit.
If it helps any at all, know that my day 4 has been easier than day 3. It still sucks shit right out of a rusty pipe, but it's better.
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I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow..... FUCK IT I think I will quit yesterday and keep it that way chew is really pissing me off now, holy shit it had total control of me.....
Day 2 (in the kinda pissed at the world phase)
Thanks guys.....
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I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow..... FUCK IT I think I will quit yesterday and keep it that way chew is really pissing me off now, holy shit it had total control of me.....
Day 2 (in the kinda pissed at the world phase)
Thanks guys.....
Yes! Rant on bro! Yesterday is a great day to quit!
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I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow, I will quit tomorrow..... FUCK IT I think I will quit yesterday and keep it that way chew is really pissing me off now, holy shit it had total control of me.....
Day 2 (in the kinda pissed at the world phase)
Thanks guys.....
That's great! It eliminates the "I can always start tomorrow" excuse. Good on you!
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You know what brother, I don't know if you are into herbal type shit or not, but I have found that two herbs or supplements or whatever you want to call them, in particular have helped me a lot with my attitude and my withdrawal symptoms. St. John's Wort and Lobelia. These two things together are very useful when it comes to irritability and straight up pissyness. Believe me it helps! For a long time before I quit, I was always worried about biting my wife's and my children's heads off when I finally did. Not so with these two things. Just another suggestion for ya that might help. Most important thing though is to get quit and worry about all the SUCK and HELL you go through when you're already going through it. Then POST like a madman! 'Crazy'
DoubleB
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Honestly, has anyone made it through this without at least a simple assault charge? I am kidding but MY GOD, I am short with everyone but the worst is my kids they don't understand why I am being short with them...... Any ideas?
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Honestly, has anyone made it through this without at least a simple assault charge? I am kidding but MY GOD, I am short with everyone but the worst is my kids they don't understand why I am being short with them...... Any ideas?
Yeah, yell at the people here. Go to the chat room and call everyone in there any name you can think of! Those guys seem to enjoy it.
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Ebrace the suck. Go outside and scream until you are exhausted. Go for a run. Whatever you do, don't yell at your wife or kids. They have done nothing wrong.
It will get better but don't burn bridges at home or at work.
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Honestly, has anyone made it through this without at least a simple assault charge? I am kidding but MY GOD, I am short with everyone but the worst is my kids they don't understand why I am being short with them...... Any ideas?
I had a guy give me a 'look' at a crowded, loud, dive mexican restaurant because my youngest son was yelling. I said sorry (because it was kind of annoying). He just stared me down and then looked away. I thought I was going to cut out his spleen with my tostada shell and shove a bottle of Cholula you know where.
My wife saw it developing quickly talked me down. Funny thing is, that's not me at all. I am far from the tough-guy brawler (that's really me in my avatar), but I swear at that point I would have torn him up, bitch-slapped his brother, 3-stooged his dad and given his mom a wedgie for good measure.
Deep breaths. Deep breaths.
I've found that with my kids, I just need to step in the other room for a second. They will of course follow, and then it turns into a funny game of chase pissed-off Daddy around the house.
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You know what brother, I don't know if you are into herbal type shit or not, but I have found that two herbs or supplements or whatever you want to call them, in particular have helped me a lot with my attitude and my withdrawal symptoms. St. John's Wort and Lobelia. These two things together are very useful when it comes to irritability and straight up pissyness. Believe me it helps! For a long time before I quit, I was always worried about biting my wife's and my children's heads off when I finally did. Not so with these two things. Just another suggestion for ya that might help. Most important thing though is to get quit and worry about all the SUCK and HELL you go through when you're already going through it. Then POST like a madman! 'Crazy'
DoubleB
Who is your Herb dealer?
Seriously though, where do you get it?
I had some Lobelia before from a failed quit using Bacc-Off's quit program, but I never used it.
Could just buy a Lobelia plant and run it through a juicer, but that doesn't seem real efficient.
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Hey brother try what these guys have to offer, Ive been getting by on other shit but if the herbs work go for it. Go for a walk/run it subsides the anger, drink buckets of water too. The most important thing is that as of 3/27 you are posting 3. Everyday quit is one more day won. Stick it out, 3 sucks but stay with it because four is better, five is even better, and six is even better.
Get your quit on, and keep it on, its fucking cold out there!!!!
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"chase pissed-off Daddy around the house"
God, that's funny.
You know, I have been a miserable son of a bitch the past four days, but I have to say...I've done a pretty good job not being even remotely dickheaded with most people I've encountered. I feel like shit and have a murderous rage in me, but it's STAYED in me.
I talked a lot of shit to the dogs last night, though: "You STUPID fucking bastards...just trot trot trot around the fucking yard and never pissing...like I want to stand out here in the motherfucking rain all night you motherfuckers......"
You get the idea.
I also find that I feel no withdrawal at all when my son laughs. So, I bought him the Tickle-Me Elmo, but I wound up setting it on fire.
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"chase pissed-off Daddy around the house"
God, that's funny.
You know, I have been a miserable son of a bitch the past four days, but I have to say...I've done a pretty good job not being even remotely dickheaded with most people I've encountered. I feel like shit and have a murderous rage in me, but it's STAYED in me.
I talked a lot of shit to the dogs last night, though: "You STUPID fucking bastards...just trot trot trot around the fucking yard and never pissing...like I want to stand out here in the motherfucking rain all night you motherfuckers......"
You get the idea.
I also find that I feel no withdrawal at all when my son laughs. So, I bought him the Tickle-Me Elmo, but I wound up setting it on fire.
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
....you sound like me with my Jack Russells, Dean....the little bastards usually get back at me by pissing all over the vinyl siding on the garage (my sanctuary) when I'm not looking. I always swear that if I catch one of 'em in the act, he'll be wearing his nuts for earrings!
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What kind of stupid mother fucker signs a union contract that allows a guy to be on call (can't have a beer) at the same time he is trying to quit chewing.....
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Someone needs to pay up in that mother fucker. (WTF) There needs to be an immediate dip quitters addendum to that fucking contract. All of us brothers will ratify in a special meeting.
Addendum 1
If the occasion shall present itself that a quitter shall be on call. All non- quitting employees must first go into withdrawls, get the shakes, headaches, unexplained fucking fog, killer craves, be extremely pissed off which is still better than pissed on, have strange dreams about giant fucking cans of dip, and constantly feel like sticking everything (anything) inside of their lower fucking lip. Allow the nic bitch to come at them from all sides while fighting her off with the power of their own will. Any violation of this addendum will lead to a beating at the hands of a quitter while in the RAGE!!!!
Wow little ragin there myself I think Day 13 craves like a son of a bitch, getting past it after that rant...
Fair and equal rights for quitters
Only asking for slight consideration on the part of managment for quitters
Hang tight, quit right.
Epd223
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Hey guys, I didn't give up on you but everytime I try to scroll down to post roll my computer turns off..... Any ideas on that 1 would be great. It is only on this site
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Hey guys, I didn't give up on you but everytime I try to scroll down to post roll my computer turns off..... Any ideas on that 1 would be great. It is only on this site
Glad you're still with us Drawn! Sorry about your pc. I don't know what that could be.
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The computer problem is actually the Antichrist, who is in cahoots with nicotine and wants you to fail.