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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: CitySpitter on November 09, 2010, 03:21:00 AM
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Don't worry about the "wall of text". You are free to say whatever you want, no matter how many words it takes.
You've made the right decision to Quit because this is a fucking nasty killer habit.
You've also been lucky enough to find this site because it will save your life!!!!!
Now, take it from a guy who used the patch, gum, lozenge, Chantix. GET RID OF IT. I tried quitting many times with that shit and ALWAYS went back to the can.
Rip that patch off your arm and fire it to the dirt. You need to stop putting nicotine into your system. Using the patch to "take the edge off" don't cut it dude. Guess what, the edge will always be there if you're feeding your body nicotine.
I'm not saying that cold turkey is the only way to go because I know people who have Quit with other means. What I am saying is that from the experience of the people on this Bad Ass Site, cold turkey will give you the best chance of successfully Quitting.
Will it be tough? Yes
Will it suck? Yes
Will it save your life? Yes
Will you have support? Yes
Can you do it? Yes
Read as much as you can on this site and LEARN.
Go join the February group and get to know your fellow brothers in Quit.
You can do this, and we can help you.
PM me if I can be of any help. I'll be glad to give you my phone number if you need extra support.
Brian
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Welcome to the suck my friend. The next few days will be tough, but I can assure you it is worth it. I was where you were 2 weeks ago and I have made it out the other side.
Get off the patch as fast as you can, that is still tying you to nic. PM for numbers, we are all here for you.
ncheel
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Welcome to the suck my friend. The next few days will be tough, but I can assure you it is worth it. I was where you were 2 weeks ago and I have made it out the other side.
Get off the patch as fast as you can, that is still tying you to nic. PM for numbers, we are all here for you.
ncheel
Use this site and quit every day. Try to throw the patch out too.
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Welcome to the suck my friend. The next few days will be tough, but I can assure you it is worth it. I was where you were 2 weeks ago and I have made it out the other side.
Get off the patch as fast as you can, that is still tying you to nic. PM for numbers, we are all here for you.
ncheel
Use this site and quit every day. Try to throw the patch out too.
Its tough but cold turkey is the best way. get it over
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Welcome to the suck my friend. The next few days will be tough, but I can assure you it is worth it. I was where you were 2 weeks ago and I have made it out the other side.
Get off the patch as fast as you can, that is still tying you to nic. PM for numbers, we are all here for you.
ncheel
Use this site and quit every day. Try to throw the patch out too.
Its tough but cold turkey is the best way. get it over
Patches be gone!!!!!!!!!!!
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I had my last dip at 3am yesterday.
I'm 26 years old, and I had dipped for 7 years. The first time I ever tried dip, I threw up in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart. Skoal Wintergreen and mushroom pizza. Maybe I should have taken that as a warning.
What I really loved about dip was that no matter how I was feeling, a quick pinch would pick me up just a little bit. Like if I was riding in a car, it would feel a little to be riding in a car with a dip in. Or if I was feeling a little nervous about doing something new, I would feel a little more relaxed with a dip.
That's the real problem with it though. Sometimes you don't get to feel any better than you currently feel. Sometimes a car ride just has to be a car ride. That's the hardest part for me. That I constantly have the feeling that my current situation could be improved, and knowing that it can't.
I needed to quit because I have felt unhealthy for the past year and a half. I have chronic heartburn. I lost 40 lbs in the span of a year when I didn't have 10 to lose in the first place. I can no longer burp most of the time. Maybe dip isn't to blame for all this, but there is no way it is helping.
I am on step 2 of the patch, which is helping me retain some sanity, but the psychological effects are damned persistent. I can't count how many times I reached for my pocket instinctively today, only to remember, "oh yeah, I'm quitting that."
While life without dip may not be as easy to cope with, I am looking forward to the following:
No further staining of my teeth.
No more sore gums.
Never again being caught by someone who didn't know about my habit, only to have them lecture me and tell me how disgusting it is.
Never again having to face this disappointment on my mother's face when she finds out I didn't really quit like I told her.
Never again spilling a month old spit-can and having to clean it up (the smell)
Sorry for the wall-of-text. I won't be offended if you don't read all of it. It's more for me anyway I guess, but also I hope I can help others in my situation.
Welcome to the suck my friend. The next few days will be tough, but I can assure you it is worth it. I was where you were 2 weeks ago and I have made it out the other side.
Get off the patch as fast as you can, that is still tying you to nic. PM for numbers, we are all here for you.
ncheel
Use this site and quit every day. Try to throw the patch out too.
Its tough but cold turkey is the best way. get it over
Patches be gone!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta toss the patches to be NIC free. It is going to suck, but it can be done. Thousands of us here prove that daily.
Keep posting in here and when you are NIC free head over to the quit groups and post up with your brothers.
YOU CAN DO THIS !!
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Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It seems that everyone is against the patch, but I am going to stick with it. I don't mean to simply ignore the advice of seasoned veterans, but I feel I have set myself up for success.
I am approaching my situation from a logical, scientific standpoint. I am addicted in two ways: chemically and psychologically. I begin with quitting psychologically. I will break my habit of having a dip in my mouth, or feeling that I need something extra (or at least replace it with seeds or gum). While I may still get psychological urges, by the time I quit chemically, they will be lessened.
I will quit chemically when my patches run out. Dip was fun, patches are not. There is no pleasure or joy in them, simply the non-denial of chemicals which my body wants. I know I am still my body's bitch at this point, and that is not a good place to be.
I fully realize I have not Quit (with a capital "Q") until I am 100% nicotine free. So perhaps we can agree that I haven't quit yet, but I have planned my quit date. December 6th will be my first day with no patch.
Until then, since I can't post in Roll Call, I will post here each night before I go to bed. I promise to post--whether I fail or not. Having everyone tell me to get off the patch has given me a sort of challenge to prove the patch can work I suppose.
I also promise my posts will be shorter eventually. 'winker'
P.S. I'm curious as to whether those who tried the patch did the 3-step system, and whether they relapsed during the patch system or after making it all the way through.
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I see my quit completly different, however who am I to Judge. Knock yourself out and see ya Dec. 6th, When you post with the big boys!
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I dipped for 24 years....I tried to quit once, 166 days ago....you are only prolonging the misery....its like a band aid, rip it off fast and get it over with. why pull slowly and painfully? How ever you decide, I wish you well.
MOA
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Patch day 2 is over. Nothing to brag about compared to the real quitters, but I'm still here.
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Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It seems that everyone is against the patch, but I am going to stick with it. I don't mean to simply ignore the advice of seasoned veterans, but I feel I have set myself up for success.
I am approaching my situation from a logical, scientific standpoint. I am addicted in two ways: chemically and psychologically. I begin with quitting psychologically. I will break my habit of having a dip in my mouth, or feeling that I need something extra (or at least replace it with seeds or gum). While I may still get psychological urges, by the time I quit chemically, they will be lessened.
I will quit chemically when my patches run out. Dip was fun, patches are not. There is no pleasure or joy in them, simply the non-denial of chemicals which my body wants. I know I am still my body's bitch at this point, and that is not a good place to be.
I fully realize I have not Quit (with a capital "Q") until I am 100% nicotine free. So perhaps we can agree that I haven't quit yet, but I have planned my quit date. December 6th will be my first day with no patch.
Until then, since I can't post in Roll Call, I will post here each night before I go to bed. I promise to post--whether I fail or not. Having everyone tell me to get off the patch has given me a sort of challenge to prove the patch can work I suppose.
I also promise my posts will be shorter eventually. 'winker'
P.S. I'm curious as to whether those who tried the patch did the 3-step system, and whether they relapsed during the patch system or after making it all the way through.
Addict justifications......
"You guys are right, but the rules don't apply to me."
"You people made this mistake, but it isn't really a mistake, I can handle it."
".....but my situation is different."
"I must handle this my own way....."
"It'll be too much to deal with at once, this way sets me up for success."
Let me give a you a hint as to why everybody here is against the patch, gum, etc....
It's not because many of haven't tried it, it's because it didn't and doesn't work.
Most of us that did try it were quickly convinced that it wouldn't work, gave it up, and are here to post about our quits days, months, and years later.
Those who weren't convinced, and continued to use the NRTs, are no longer here because they failed, leaving no one to side with you.
This leaves you a choice, decide to be successful, and quit the patch now, or continue down this path of futility towards failure.
I'd bet you that if you keep doing this "your way" that you will not make your Dec 6th quit date, but you wouldn't even be around to pay up.
Of course, if you make the change and do it our way, the right way, then we both can win.
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CS:
there have been many before you that have taken offense to the advise given here in regards to NRTs.
Yes I would like to see you go cold turkey. Yes I think NRTs only prolong the addiction to nicotine.
yes, I was fooled too into believing I needed the gum when i first came here and immediately went cold turkey after I was advised better.
however, i appreciate and respect your decision to remain on the patch and even more so that you understand "our" rules about not posting role. the respect you have shown for this site is appreciated.
i do think you should reconsider this. it will suck ass, and trust me the nic you are receiving through the patch is more than you realize. i became violently ill when i got off the gum even though i was only using it sporadically.
still, 590 days later here i am nicotine free. i wish the same for you.
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oooooooohhh I love science too, So lets quit scientifically, shall we?
Study after study after study- has proven that NRT ( nicotine replacement therapy)is ineffective . Not only that it has NEVER BEEN RECOMMENDED for quitting oral tobacco, or even studied by big pharm for this purpose.
YOur odds of success are actually less using the patch than they are cold turkey.
Check out the link below to Whyquit, which is a quit smoking site full of solid info about nicotine.
Your making it sooooo much harder on yourself,
http://whyquit.com/pr/110210.html (http://whyquit.com/pr/110210.html)
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Patch day 2 is over. Nothing to brag about compared to the real quitters, but I'm still here.
GREAT Now, when you throw the fucking patches in the trash, please post DAY 1.
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Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It seems that everyone is against the patch, but I am going to stick with it. I don't mean to simply ignore the advice of seasoned veterans, but I feel I have set myself up for success.
I am approaching my situation from a logical, scientific standpoint. I am addicted in two ways: chemically and psychologically. I begin with quitting psychologically. I will break my habit of having a dip in my mouth, or feeling that I need something extra (or at least replace it with seeds or gum). While I may still get psychological urges, by the time I quit chemically, they will be lessened.
I will quit chemically when my patches run out. Dip was fun, patches are not. There is no pleasure or joy in them, simply the non-denial of chemicals which my body wants. I know I am still my body's bitch at this point, and that is not a good place to be.
I fully realize I have not Quit (with a capital "Q") until I am 100% nicotine free. So perhaps we can agree that I haven't quit yet, but I have planned my quit date. December 6th will be my first day with no patch.
Until then, since I can't post in Roll Call, I will post here each night before I go to bed. I promise to post--whether I fail or not. Having everyone tell me to get off the patch has given me a sort of challenge to prove the patch can work I suppose.
I also promise my posts will be shorter eventually. 'winker'
P.S. I'm curious as to whether those who tried the patch did the 3-step system, and whether they relapsed during the patch system or after making it all the way through.
Wow, you got a long way to go. Seems really inefficient. If you dropped the patch today, you'd be 27 days nic free by dec 6. Almost a month. I won't judge you for your plan either, but I'd rather be nic free by Dec 6. Just me though. I wouldn't come in boasting either, just come by in a month and let us know when you're with us.
tarp
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CitySpitter -
I'm a tad bit late to this party but just wanted to pop in and say congrats on a great decision to quit (eventually).
While I'm with the majority of folks here and think you should drop the patch today and start nic free, I can certainly appreciate and respect the plan that you've put in place.
I'll leave you with two things... one request and one link.
First, the request. December 6th is your stated quit date. That's actually coming up rather quickly here. All I ask is that you stick with it. Personally I set quit dates for YEARS before I managed to make one stick. So no matter what happens on the 6th - you wake up sick, your kid's sick, your wife wants a divorce, you lose your job, etc... make it stick. Cause I can GUARANTEE you that something will come up on the 6th so that it's not the "perfect" day to quit. Unfortunately, there's NEVER going to be a "perfect" day to quit. Personally I'd choose today, but the 6th is fine by me... just stick to it.
Secondly, here's some research I did a while back about NRT. I'm sure that you've done this type of research prior to going on and that you know most if not off but check it out if for nothing more than your information. http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=264 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=264)
Glad to hear that you're using this section of the site... can't wait to see you on the 6th!
chewie
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I would like to reply to everyone personally, but there are many different opinions, and much to keep track of, so I will try to make a more general reply.
Thank you for the kind words of encouragement, as well as the words of doubt. Honestly, I think this site is helping me more than anything else, but I had started the patch before ever visiting the site. So while you are probably correct in saying I have a better chance quitting cold-turkey (by evidence of head-count alone, but the links point to it as well), I think I still have a great chance quitting with the patch. I have already committed to myself. I think to deviate from my original plan would be a failure in itself.
And I have committed to you all. I am letting my word represent me. I feel I have staked my manhood on the line here. I don't mean manhood in the sense of machismo, or any kind of testosterone fueled pissing contest. I say manhood in the sense of being a fully-grown human being, responsible and accountable for my actions and choices. To tell you the truth, I have never felt closer to being a real man. If I fail, you will see me fail, and I will have failed myself. And it will eat at me. And I will be ashamed.
But I will not fail. I will be 100% nicotine free Dec. 6th.
Patch day 3 over.
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I would like to reply to everyone personally, but there are many different opinions, and much to keep track of, so I will try to make a more general reply.
Thank you for the kind words of encouragement, as well as the words of doubt. Honestly, I think this site is helping me more than anything else, but I had started the patch before ever visiting the site. So while you are probably correct in saying I have a better chance quitting cold-turkey (by evidence of head-count alone, but the links point to it as well), I think I still have a great chance quitting with the patch. I have already committed to myself. I think to deviate from my original plan would be a failure in itself.
And I have committed to you all. I am letting my word represent me. I feel I have staked my manhood on the line here. I don't mean manhood in the sense of machismo, or any kind of testosterone fueled pissing contest. I say manhood in the sense of being a fully-grown human being, responsible and accountable for my actions and choices. To tell you the truth, I have never felt closer to being a real man. If I fail, you will see me fail, and I will have failed myself. And it will eat at me. And I will be ashamed.
But I will not fail. I will be 100% nicotine free Dec. 6th.
Patch day 3 over.
Obviously no talking you into cold turkey.
I too made a similar commitment with the nic gum and I did keep my word to a Quit date on this site. I got the same advice as you did and kept the same approach as you did.
I kept my promise to this site and stopped the gum when I said I would and I'm now sitting at 75 days.
So I hope you are man enough to back up your words....see you on Day 1, 12/6/10.
Brian
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Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It seems that everyone is against the patch, but I am going to stick with it. I don't mean to simply ignore the advice of seasoned veterans, but I feel I have set myself up for success.
I am approaching my situation from a logical, scientific standpoint. I am addicted in two ways: chemically and psychologically. I begin with quitting psychologically. I will break my habit of having a dip in my mouth, or feeling that I need something extra (or at least replace it with seeds or gum). While I may still get psychological urges, by the time I quit chemically, they will be lessened.
I will quit chemically when my patches run out. Dip was fun, patches are not. There is no pleasure or joy in them, simply the non-denial of chemicals which my body wants. I know I am still my body's bitch at this point, and that is not a good place to be.
I fully realize I have not Quit (with a capital "Q") until I am 100% nicotine free. So perhaps we can agree that I haven't quit yet, but I have planned my quit date. December 6th will be my first day with no patch.
Until then, since I can't post in Roll Call, I will post here each night before I go to bed. I promise to post--whether I fail or not. Having everyone tell me to get off the patch has given me a sort of challenge to prove the patch can work I suppose.
I also promise my posts will be shorter eventually. 'winker'
P.S. I'm curious as to whether those who tried the patch did the 3-step system, and whether they relapsed during the patch system or after making it all the way through.
City, not to discourage your patch use...but...for the last three years I have been on a whilrwind use of patch/dip/patch/dip...you get the point...I made it all they way through the 3rd step of patches, quit for another 4 months, and started dipping, because I didnt have the support of this site. 52 nicotene free days later, I feel better than I ever have in MY LIFE, thanks to my new brothers on this website...feel free to pm me for a # if you want to discuss further. I hope you stick with your decision, and get in here...ASAP!
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Hey CitySpitter if you want to know what most of the people on this site think of using the patch go look at my intro titled "Trying to quit with the patch". It is great that you have a quit date in place but it would be better if it was moved up a little bit sooner like tomorrow.
I stayed on the patch for a few days and finally it seemed that everywhere I would put it it felt like a big charly horse. Listen to most of these people and keep us informed on how you are doing and if you need anything you can pm me.
Dan
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Brian: It's good to hear that at least one person succeeded with a form of NRT.
Mattyc: I think I would have failed already if it weren't for the support of this site. Regardless of my decision to use NRT, this site has been the game-changer for me. I decided to quit on my own, but the day I did, I found this site and it helped me make my decision real. I spend about an hour each night on here, just reading, absorbing, and reaffirming my decision.
bigduke: I wish I had read your post earlier. A lot of interesting stuff in there about the patch. Just for the record, I am using the patch exactly as prescribed, which is how I derived my quit date. I step down to 7mg patches on the 22nd, and I'm looking forward to it.
The more I read from everyone the more it seems like no one thinks the patch does anything to lessen the withdrawal once you finally stop nicotine altogether. I feel like it has to help in some way. You're training your body to receive less of the chemical.
The thing that sucks is I'll never know if it did help, because it is still going to suck big-time when I get off the patch. I won't have a cold-turkey quit to compare it to. Oh well, just thinking out loud.
24 days until my quit date.
Patch day 4 over.
Edit: I would like to change the title of this thread if possible, since my day 1 hasn't happened. Something like, "Day 1 (of the patch)" if an admin wants to do that. I feel stupid for putting Day 1 like I accomplished something already.
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Brian: It's good to hear that at least one person succeeded with a form of NRT.
City.... I didn't say the NRT worked for me. It didn't. It only delayed my Quit.
I was saying that I was being stubborn like you are but I did follow through with my word to the site and expect you to do the same.
Brian
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So while you are probably correct in saying I have a better chance quitting cold-turkey (by evidence of head-count alone, but the links point to it as well), I think I still have a great chance quitting with the patch
Better chance vs "still have a great chance"- I'd assume if you were serious about this you would go with better chance rather than "still have a great chance."
You lack commitment grasshopper, Continuing your quit using NRT after you have admitted that it is not the BEST option for success means only one thing.
You have left yourself an out- you'll blame the ineffectiveness of the patch when you fail.
The more I read from everyone the more it seems like no one thinks the patch does anything to lessen the withdrawal once you finally stop nicotine altogether. I feel like it has to help in some way. You're training your body to receive less of the chemical.
The patch helps alright. Helps you stay hooked on nicotine. I used it for a year, sometimes two at a time. When I stopped using the patch I went right back to dipping like a didn't miss a beat. Before you claim I didn't use it right, I must confess it was the second time I tried to quit with the patch. The first time I used it exactly, I resumed dipping within a week .
I also quit with the gum, chewed it like a beaver on meth. Did it help me quit? Sure, helped me quit dipping skoal. Course when I got done with the program I went right back to dipping.
Know what big Pharm suggested recently? After seeing the studies saying that the success rates for quitting with NRT's sucked more than Monica Lewinsky on spring break, they proclaimed that people just needed to stay on them LONGER!!!!!!!!!! Are you fuckin kiddin me? UST leaked a memo at one point, wish I could find that post, but the jist was this; a cigarette, or a can of chew, or a cigar, were all delivery mechanisms for their real product..... nicotine. The memo went on to discuss the reality that the packaging was irrelevent- the product is nicotine. This is from the mouth of BIG TOBACCO itself.
Now make this mental leap- does BIG PHARMACEUTICAL REALLY care about your smoking?or dipping? I mean ,these are the companies that sell the cancer drugs and the pain killers, and all the other meds you'll need when your dying from smoking or chewing. Do you really believe they have a financial interest in your ass quitting tobacco? NAAAHHHHH, but they can sell you wellbutrin, and the other magic pills, AND .....here it comes
They can sell you NICOTINE . How much money do you think the makers of NRT's are bringing in? First time I tried it, it was prescription only. I was 17 then. I wonder what made it over the counter? Could it have been the truckloads of money the pharm companies spent? naaaaahhhh
Think I'm full of conspiracy shit dont ya?
Lemme ask you this, whats the difference between Camel snus and a nicorette lozenge? Neither is tobacco and they are both nicotine delivery systems.
Different brand names?
Different manufacturers?
Ones in the shape of a cough drop and one is a disolvable mint or paper thing?
But whats the product??????
Still no???
Ok, if you think the step down thing is really going to work to help you ween of nicotine, as you say "You're training your body to receive less of the chemical" why don't you just quit by using less and less dip? Bet you tried that, didn't work did it. I was the just dip on weekends, or during whatever special thing. Then it was I'll cut back to x amount of dips per day, then was I'll go longer and longer between chews. If you dipped for 7 years I'd bet my box edition lifesize Starwars princess Leah with articulating grip that you tried something similar. Did it work???
Whats the difference between a step down NRT and cutting back from dip? Why not start smoking to quit chew or use snus, or cut down to bandits or leaf.
" but NRT'S are safe" is what I would say if I were you. WRONGO again, nicotine still has effects on your body and some forms of NRT is tied to various cancers.
There is no difference- your changing seats on the bus.
I know you want there to be a patch or a pill or some gum or a magical unicorn riding quit fairy to make this easy, but sorry brudda ain't no such thing. People that succeed using NRT's do so "in spite of the NRT" not because of it.
Your draggin out your physical withdrawl for a month, that shit could be over in 72 hours. I honestly hate to see anyone make the same mistakes I did. ( repeatedly)
Get pissed, and get quit
sm
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City,
Here is the post SM was referring to I believe. I found these little gems from the death dealers at Big tobacco. My friend; Nicotine is the problem !! It is what you are addicted to, it is what causes your pain when you quit. Realize the maddness of ingesting more nicotine to stop using nicotine.. ?!?!?!
Blowing away the smokescreen
For years, the tobacco industry has known of the health consequences of
tobacco and its addictive component, nicotine. In 1954, tobacco researchers commented,
“It’s fortunate for us that tobacco is a habit consumers can’t break.”
In 1964,an internal British American Tobacco document discussed the issue of nicotine and
addiction, “There seems no doubt that the ‘kick’ of tobacco is due to the concentration
of nicotine in the bloodstream which it achieves, and this is a product
of the quantity of nicotine in the tobacco and the speed of transfer of that nicotine
into the bloodstream.”
In 1969, a Philip Morris researcher bluntly stated, “We have, then, as our first premise, that the primary motivation for tobacco use is to obtain the pharmacological effect of nicotine.” Philip Morris researchers
also concluded: “The cigarette should be conceived not as a product but as a package. The
product is nicotine. The cigarette is but one of many package layers. There
is the carton, which contains the pack, which contains the cigarette, which
contains the smoke. The smoker must strip off all these package layers to get
to that which he seeks Â… Think of a cigarette pack as a storage container for
a dayÂ’s supply of nicotine Â… Think of a cigarette as a dispenser for a dose
unit of nicotine … Think of a puff of smoke as the vehicle of nicotine …”
For Big Tobacco, failure to win the debate over regulating nicotine in tobacco
threatened its existence as an industry. In a 1972 internal memorandum the director
of research for R.J. Reynolds wrote, “If, as proposed above, nicotine is the sine qua non of tobacco use, and if we meekly accept the allegations of our critics and move toward reduction or
elimination of nicotine from our products, then we shall eventually liquidate
our business. If we intend to remain in business and our business is
the manufacture and sale of dosage forms of nicotine, then at some point
we must make a stand.”
For Big Tobacco researchers, the evidence of the addictiveness of nicotine kept
piling up. In a 1983 internal Brown Williamson memorandum, the message was
clear “Nicotine is the addicting agent in tobacco.”
On April 14, 1994, the CEOs of the seven leading tobacco companies testified
under oath in a hearing held by the U.S. Congress House of Representatives
Committee on Energy and Commerce, Subcommittee on Health and the
Environment. Despite extensive internal research on the issue of nicotine and addiction,
Big TobaccoÂ’s executives testified that they believed that nicotine was not
addictive. Below is the transcript of the relevant exchange on that issue:
Rep. Ron Wyden (D-OR): Thank you, Mr. Chairman Â… Let me begin my questioning
on the matter of whether or not nicotine is addictive. Let me ask you first,
and IÂ’d like to just go down the row, whether each of you believes that nicotine is
not addictive. I heard virtually all of you touch on it. Just yes or no. Do you believe
nicotine is not addictive?
Mr. Campbell (President and CEO, Philip Morris, USA): I believe nicotine is not
addictive, yes.
Rep. Wyden: Mr. Johnston?
Mr. Johnston (Chairman and CEO, RJR Tobacco Co.): Congressman, cigarettes
and nicotine clearly do not meet the classic definitions of addiction. There is no
intoxication.
Rep. Wyden: We’ll take that as a no and, again, time is short. If you can just — I
think each of you believe nicotine is not addictive. We just would like to have this
for the record.
Mr. Taddeo (President, US Tobacco Co.): I donÂ’t believe that nicotine or our products
are addictive.
Mr. Horrigan (Chairman and CEO, Liggett Group): I believe nicotine is not
addictive.
Mr. Tisch (Chairman and CEO, Lorillard Tobacco Co.): I believe that nicotine is
not addictive.
Mr. Sandefur (Chairman and CEO, Brown Williamson Tobacco Corp.): I
believe that nicotine is not addictive.
Mr. Donald Johnston (President and CEO, American Tobacco Co.): And I, too,
believe that nicotine is not addictive.
As pressure in the U.S. has increased to curb its marketing to children, Big
Tobacco has focused more of its advertising in developing nations. A World Health
Organization (WHO)-Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study
found that 11 percent of children in Latin America and the Caribbean were offered
tobacco by company representatives in 1999 and 2000. In Russia, nearly 17
percent said they were given free tobacco products. In Jordan, it was a whopping 25 percent!
These efforts are found all over the world. According to Vera da Costa e Silva,
director of the WHOÂ’s tobacco program, Big Tobacco is making a big move to hook
children outside of the United States:
“This is the right time for the tobacco industry to seduce children overseas.
They are looking to increase the number of users in developing countries
and elsewhere abroad because in the United States they are losing their market shares.
Tobacco kills an estimated four million people around the globe each year.
Because of growing international sales, experts believe that by the year 2020, one in
three adult deaths in the world will be caused by smoking and other tobacco use.
And these experts believe that by the year 2030, over ten million deaths worldwide
will be caused each year by tobacco use. Tobacco is expected to be the leading cause
of death worldwide in less than thirty years; 70 percent of these deaths will occur in
developing countries.
Other global practices by Big Tobacco have come under fire:
• 520,000 children work on tobacco farms in Brazil, and a third of them
are under the age of 14 years old.
• Children in southern Brazil are removed from classes before the end of
the school year to help with the harvest the tobacco crop.
• The average monthly income for a tobacco-growing family in Brazil is
334 Reals, the equivalent of $137.
Understand that to Big tobacco you are nothing more than “a percentage of market share” the pain and suffering of you and your lost family members means nothing to these death dealers. They have knowingly marketed and produced a product that when used as directed will result in early death for the people who use it. If you ever think you miss this shit, read some of the tactics they have used over the years and it should help keep you quit. As I have said before, I will set my money on fire before I ever give these people one cent of it.
NEVER AGAIN
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
Good Call!
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
Good Call!
GREAT CHOICE !!!
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
Good Call!
GREAT CHOICE !!!
Congrats City, you got this.
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Good call...trash the patches. You want to be nic free, brother!!! Patches and gum are like "let's just be friends" or "dating other people"...doesn't work. When it's time the end it, break up! Anything short of cold turkey won't work.
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Ever hear - "you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig." That is the way i feel about the patch - just nicotine in another costume. Now if you put lipstick on a goat......that's different. Great Job City! 'archer'
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
Good Call!
GREAT CHOICE !!!
Congrats City, you got this.
Good Call. Put your hard hat on and step up to the plate. Welcome to the rest of your life.
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Brian: Sorry, my mistake.
SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.
You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.
I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.
Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.
But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.
I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:
Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).
None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.
I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.
This is gonna fucking hurt.
The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.
Good Call!
GREAT CHOICE !!!
Congrats City, you got this.
Good Call. Put your hard hat on and step up to the plate. Welcome to the rest of your life.
FUCKIN A BABY!!!!!
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congrats on day 4
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Thanks everybody for the support.
So the first 72 hours are down. I feel pretty damn good about all of this.
I had some real shitty craves. First one was about 4 hours after I took the patch off. I felt like my ears and arms were on fire. My nose got all stuffed up, and I felt like I couldn't breathe. This was probably more mental than anything. The realization that I couldn't dip and I would have to deal with it. Well, I did some push-ups, splashed water on my face, and went and played a video game. I felt better shortly after.
Yesterday I had to go to a play with my girlfriend. I don't like going places for much of anything, but especially not a damn play. I knew this would be a huge trigger for me. I also knew she would be really pissed if I didn't go. So I sucked it up, made sure I had a bunch of gum and candy in my pocket, and went. I had the worst headache of my life afterward, but I didn't even really want a dip. I took some ibuprofen, drank some coffee, and it passed.
Today was my first day at work without nicotine. It sucked. I had a post lunch crave which lasted about 2 hours. I would try to distract myself, but I just couldn't shake it. Eventually I just walked out of the office to go get a snack. By the time I got back I had to go to a meeting and that distracted me enough. Now I'm home, and I feel pretty good.
Anyway the nicotine should be totally out of my system now which feels great to know. But, I know I still have a long road ahead of me.
This quit has brought back memories of the one time I quit before. It wasn't a real quit. I didn't want my girlfriend to find out, so I stopped for a week while she was staying with me. After her visit was over, I remember thinking to myself "wow, I'm free. Now I can have just one dip every day or two."
Of course we all know what comes of those kind of thoughts. Here I am 5 years later, but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.
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congrats brother! day 8 for me everyday is better than the last
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Thanks everybody for the support.
So the first 72 hours are down. I feel pretty damn good about all of this.
I had some real shitty craves. First one was about 4 hours after I took the patch off. I felt like my ears and arms were on fire. My nose got all stuffed up, and I felt like I couldn't breathe. This was probably more mental than anything. The realization that I couldn't dip and I would have to deal with it. Well, I did some push-ups, splashed water on my face, and went and played a video game. I felt better shortly after.
Yesterday I had to go to a play with my girlfriend. I don't like going places for much of anything, but especially not a damn play. I knew this would be a huge trigger for me. I also knew she would be really pissed if I didn't go. So I sucked it up, made sure I had a bunch of gum and candy in my pocket, and went. I had the worst headache of my life afterward, but I didn't even really want a dip. I took some ibuprofen, drank some coffee, and it passed.
Today was my first day at work without nicotine. It sucked. I had a post lunch crave which lasted about 2 hours. I would try to distract myself, but I just couldn't shake it. Eventually I just walked out of the office to go get a snack. By the time I got back I had to go to a meeting and that distracted me enough. Now I'm home, and I feel pretty good.
Anyway the nicotine should be totally out of my system now which feels great to know. But, I know I still have a long road ahead of me.
This quit has brought back memories of the one time I quit before. It wasn't a real quit. I didn't want my girlfriend to find out, so I stopped for a week while she was staying with me. After her visit was over, I remember thinking to myself "wow, I'm free. Now I can have just one dip every day or two."
Of course we all know what comes of those kind of thoughts. Here I am 5 years later, but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.
Good work!!
One day at a time. Before you know it your Quit days will be stacking up.
The nic is out of our body but will forever be in your mind. It's all mental from here on out.
STAY STRONG-STAY QUIT!
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but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.
Cityspitter, don't start trying to wrap your head around quitting forever, thats just gonna tie your cerebellum in a double windsor. Instead stick with this little gem and make it part of your daily mantra-
I am quit for Today- I will quit ONE day at a time- Tomorrow will take care of itself.
You don't have to worry about all of it- just stay quit today
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