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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Hokies 'n' Grizz fan on January 29, 2013, 09:37:00 AM
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Today is Day 1 for me. I've quit a number of times (longest quit was ~1 year), but I would always make some excuse to start again. It's only been 3 months since my last significant quit (5 months) and I've been weaning myself down to 2-3 dips per day for a little over a week. I've tried everything except joining an addicts' support group... so here it goes. If I make it past 72 hours I'll post a better intro.
-HnG
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Welcome! You have a great name, so that is a start! I'm on day 29 of my quit, so let me know if you need anything. I'm going to pm you with my cell phone number in case you need to call, text, whatever. Stay strong and post roll every day. You will be in the May quit group.
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Welcome to KTC. If you truly want to quit, this site can help. You were never quit before only taking breaks away from your nicotine addiction. Read up on how, why and where we post roll in the pink welcome center link above.
Time to sack up and quit for good.
You can do this but it can't be a "hope, I can do it or If I last 72 hours." You gotta bring the heat and step up.
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Welcome!
You are no fan of the grizz. I can help you change that....let me know.
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Today is Day 1 for me. I've quit a number of times (longest quit was ~1 year), but I would always make some excuse to start again. It's only been 3 months since my last significant quit (5 months) and I've been weaning myself down to 2-3 dips per day for a little over a week. I've tried everything except joining an addicts' support group... so here it goes. If I make it past 72 hours I'll post a better intro.
-HnG
Welcome. You've never quit, but have only stopped a few times. Quitting means never going back, and that is what we do here. This isn't just some "addicts support group". This is a brother/sisterhood of QUIT.
We support each other every damn day. As you know kicking this addiction is not easy and it sounds like you've tried and failed to quit on your own many times. Be damn thankful you have found this site.
Go up to the pink colored WELCOME CENTER tab at the top left of this page and start reading more about this site and what role is and how to post it...then start posting role every fucking day.
While you are at it, read every God Damn bit of information you can on this site. Read all the intro threads, HOF speeches, Words of Wisdom as you can. Also Educate yourself on nicotine addiction. Sounds like you know you're an addict which is a great first step but understanding WHY, can help you beat this more than you know.
Finally stop with this, "If I make it past 72 hours I'll post a better intro." IF???? How about when? Come in with a shitty attitude, expect shitty results. Come in like your dick is on fire and some serious WANT TO, than you can expect strong results.
You're GOING to make is 72 hours and YOU WILL write a better info. If you need any help in those 3 days, turn to me or any other guy or gal on this site...we will help.
I look forward to reading your new intro soon.
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Hokie,
You've already gotten good advice. But I have to throw in my two cents too. This site is made up of a bunch of folks who aren't "about to do something great" or "hoping to do something." We're doing it right fucking now. You are too, by the way. When you spit that shit out for the last time, and post your word on roll call that you WILL NOT put that shit in your face no matter what the fuck comes your way today...well, that's quitting.
There is no "if something happens, then I'm going to...." And, this ain't a dress rehearsal. This is the real fucking thing. And when you post roll and give your word, you're part of it. We've got your back no matter what happens and we're counting on you to keep your word. We're in this together.
You can do it, brother!
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If you make it 72hrs?!?!?
Fuck that!
You rewrite this sumbitch right now. We quit here, we don't see how long w can make it.
I'll be waiting as well.
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"If".....read this (http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/12/change-your-vocabulary/) and this (http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/03/more-vocabulary-lessons/) and change your mentality for your quit.
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Y'all are right, there is no "if". Thanks for the inspiration guys.
Diesel, I am reading this site every chance I get.
Redtrain, Grizz is referring to the Memphis Grizzlies. I realize now that this may very well confuse some folks. I used to dip Grizzly too.
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Y'all are right, there is no "if". Thanks for the inspiration guys.
Diesel, I am reading this site every chance I get.
Redtrain, Grizz is referring to the Memphis Grizzlies. I realize now that this may very well confuse some folks. I used to dip Grizzly too.
Good man. I ain't trying to be a Dick and neither are any of the other guys. We all want you quit. We are just a little gruff about it. We don't pussy foot around. Don't take it personal. I'd quit for you if I could...but I can't. So, instead I will help you out every step of the way, I'm just not gonna hold your hand and massage you balls while I do. Well, when you make it to the HOF I may give you a reach around but that's where it will end. LOL. Quit on!!!!
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Y'all are right, there is no "if". Thanks for the inspiration guys.
Diesel, I am reading this site every chance I get.
Redtrain, Grizz is referring to the Memphis Grizzlies. I realize now that this may very well confuse some folks. I used to dip Grizzly too.
Good man. I ain't trying to be a Dick and neither are any of the other guys. We all want you quit. We are just a little gruff about it. We don't pussy foot around. Don't take it personal. I'd quit for you if I could...but I can't. So, instead I will help you out every step of the way, I'm just not gonna hold your hand and massage you balls while I do. Well, when you make it to the HOF I may give you a reach around but that's where it will end. LOL. Quit on!!!!
Good to have you on board.
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Just popping in to say stay quit ang go Cav's.
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Agree with everyone. One added thought fuck 72 hours. We quit for today, don't ever think past the day! That can be a very difficult thing to do but it leads to success where thinking long term can plant seeds of doubt and failure.
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Today is Day 1 for me. I've quit a number of times (longest quit was ~1 year), but I would always make some excuse to start again. It's only been 3 months since my last significant quit (5 months) and I've been weaning myself down to 2-3 dips per day for a little over a week. I've tried everything except joining an addicts' support group... so here it goes. If I make it past 72 hours I'll post a better intro.
-HnG
Dear Mr. Hokies 'n' Grizz fan, I'm sorry to inform you that you have never been quit of nicotine. You heard me. You were simply taking a break. A stoppage if you will.
read (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/stopper-quitter.asp)
You're not here by accident:
read (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/accident.asp)
You cannot buy or hire the level of support that KTC gives:
read (http://www.killthecan.org/facts/cancerfacts.asp)
You will suffer from nicotine usage, just a matter of "how" and "when":
read (http://www.tobacco-facts.info/tobacco_epidemology.htm)
I am an addict from dipping for 30 years, 24/7, and today I am quit again for the 251st time.
If you really want to be quit, notice I said "be" quit, then you gotta get looking into that mirror, alone, do some mother fuckin' self talk, honest to god honesty, break it down to you talking to you, telling your inner self that you're an addict until it sinks in, cry it out, shout it out, beat the wall whatever it takes to make a deep difference that you can "remember" so that it is the start of "Your new life". It has to be all about "YOU" and not the wife, the kids, the church, job or anyone or anything else. Make your quit as selfish as your dipping was.
What are you waiting for. Today is the best day to be quit.
Remember, 1 problem + nicotine = 2 problems.
You can do this ONE day at a TIME.
Post roll
keep your word
wake and repeat.
Quit with YOU today. 'bang head'
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30isEnuff - thanks for the links.
I was definitely just a "stopper" in the past, and even when I put away the can I was substituting with lozenges. I am committed to being a "quitter" now and am doing it the right way going cold turkey. I'm using tic tacs and hard candy to get my oral fixation. I tried one of those mint substitutes once before and didn't like it. Do y'all use anything?
Some other intro info: I am 31 and have been an addict for 16 years. I dipped just about every brand, especially the cheap shit when I was in college. I am fucking tired of dipping, hiding from my wife to dip, going to bed too damn late to have that one last dip and being tired all the time as a result, leaving social gatherings early to go home to dip, feeling my gums recede, watching my teeth get yellow, smelling my own bad breath. Yesterday I quit and today I also quit.
-HnG
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30isEnuff - thanks for the links.
I was definitely just a "stopper" in the past, and even when I put away the can I was substituting with lozenges. I am committed to being a "quitter" now and am doing it the right way going cold turkey. I'm using tic tacs and hard candy to get my oral fixation. I tried one of those mint substitutes once before and didn't like it. Do y'all use anything?
Some other intro info: I am 31 and have been an addict for 16 years. I dipped just about every brand, especially the cheap shit when I was in college. I am fucking tired of dipping, hiding from my wife to dip, going to bed too damn late to have that one last dip and being tired all the time as a result, leaving social gatherings early to go home to dip, feeling my gums recede, watching my teeth get yellow, smelling my own bad breath. Yesterday I quit and today I also quit.
-HnG
'bang head' Dear Mr. Hokies 'n' Grizz fan,
Fuckin' A we use other stuff....cold water, sunflower seeds, fake hooch dip, toothpicks, candy, any gum without nic in it, tic tacs anything so that you do not put the "Poison" in your mouth. Chew on tree bark if you have to. If mints bother you, switch off to something else for awhile. rotate it out. As long as it is not nicotine.
Got to move though. Get to walking, running, exercise and sleep helps a lot in the beginning. The first week is the hardest. Getting the nic out of your blood is just a start. After that we battle the nic bitch mentally and win every a.m. when we post roll.
Get quit and worry about the oral fixation later. Nic kills, oral fixation does not.
You're drinking the kool air sir and you are doing the best thing you ever did for yourself. I promise you that.
From one nicotine addict to another, you've got to admit to being a nictoine addict. you may have never realized it before...we're no damn different or better off than those going to AA, NA or any other path to Freedom.
You can do this just like the thousands of Vets of QUIT who have quit before us.
Read all you can. Ask questions, get into chat for immediate needs.
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Day 6 and it's starting to get a little easier. I told the wife on Day 2 that I'd been lying to her for months and had started dipping again, but had just joined this support group and was going to quit for good this time. It felt good being honest with her, even though I knew she was not going to be pleased with me. However, she is fully supporting my quit now which doubly motivates me to stay strong thru the cravings.
I've found that excersize really helps get me thru the rough patches. About a month ago I started the Stronglifts program and have been sticking with it religiously. I've noticed that if I'm craving on the way to the gym, by the time I leave after a workout my cravings are gone. Gone!
That's all for now.
-HnG
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Day 6 and it's starting to get a little easier. I told the wife on Day 2 that I'd been lying to her for months and had started dipping again, but had just joined this support group and was going to quit for good this time. It felt good being honest with her, even though I knew she was not going to be pleased with me. However, she is fully supporting my quit now which doubly motivates me to stay strong thru the cravings.
I've found that excersize really helps get me thru the rough patches. About a month ago I started the Stronglifts program and have been sticking with it religiously. I've noticed that if I'm craving on the way to the gym, by the time I leave after a workout my cravings are gone. Gone!
That's all for now.
-HnG
HnG, addiction made all of us liars. We would do whatever it took to feed our addiction. I had to confess to my wife also, and she is my #1 advocate. The freedom of being honest and straight forward with my wife is the most rewarding part of my quit. I'm quit with you!
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
So you were a previous KTC quitter? Different name I guess. Come clean tell us who you are, what group you were originally in and then be prepared to answer the three questions to them, to your new group and to all supporters.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
Finally, remember having a child is great and wanting to change for her is noble but first you must quit for you. You are the one that caused your addiction, so you have to beat down your demons and let other bask in the glory of having a father with a face and tongue.
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
So you were a previous KTC quitter? Different name I guess. Come clean tell us who you are, what group you were originally in and then be prepared to answer the three questions to them, to your new group and to all supporters.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
Finally, remember having a child is great and wanting to change for her is noble but first you must quit for you. You are the one that caused your addiction, so you have to beat down your demons and let other bask in the glory of having a father with a face and tongue.
Let's Go thom.....Post em up so we can see what happened....use your previous name. what was it?
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
It's game time bro. Time to put on the pads, strap on the helmet get ready for hitting drills. Look alive Thom! Let's hear your excuses sob story...
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You don't get to come back with a new name n get a new start....You build on who your were strap up
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
So you were a previous KTC quitter? Different name I guess. Come clean tell us who you are, what group you were originally in and then be prepared to answer the three questions to them, to your new group and to all supporters.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
Finally, remember having a child is great and wanting to change for her is noble but first you must quit for you. You are the one that caused your addiction, so you have to beat down your demons and let other bask in the glory of having a father with a face and tongue.
Let's Go thom.....Post em up so we can see what happened....use your previous name. what was it?
Yep. Out with it. You'll need to explain yourself if you ever expect your new group to trust you and ultimately accept you as someone they can lean on.
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
So you were a previous KTC quitter? Different name I guess. Come clean tell us who you are, what group you were originally in and then be prepared to answer the three questions to them, to your new group and to all supporters.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
Finally, remember having a child is great and wanting to change for her is noble but first you must quit for you. You are the one that caused your addiction, so you have to beat down your demons and let other bask in the glory of having a father with a face and tongue.
Let's Go thom.....Post em up so we can see what happened....use your previous name. what was it?
Yep. Out with it. You'll need to explain yourself if you ever expect your new group to trust you and ultimately accept you as someone they can lean on.
As a former member you know the drill. You came back needing help and support, and it's here, but you have face the fire first. Waiting to be quit with you.
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I thought I was quit. Turned out I had only stopped for a while, 10 months or so. Posting roll really helped me get over the hump last time so I am back to finish where I left off. I'm done with this poison. I've got an eight month old girl now and I'm committed to being quit so that she never has to remember a childhood of dodging spit cups.
So you were a previous KTC quitter? Different name I guess. Come clean tell us who you are, what group you were originally in and then be prepared to answer the three questions to them, to your new group and to all supporters.
1. What happened?
2. Why did it happen?
3. What are you going to do differently?
Finally, remember having a child is great and wanting to change for her is noble but first you must quit for you. You are the one that caused your addiction, so you have to beat down your demons and let other bask in the glory of having a father with a face and tongue.
Let's Go thom.....Post em up so we can see what happened....use your previous name. what was it?
Yep. Out with it. You'll need to explain yourself if you ever expect your new group to trust you and ultimately accept you as someone they can lean on.
As a former member you know the drill. You came back needing help and support, and it's here, but you have face the fire first. Waiting to be quit with you.
Blah, blah, blah. I was a puss and a weak dick.
I didn't stay quit. Why the fuk not? What caused you to slip[ on your little pink panties and invite that whore back into bed with you?
What exactly you are you going to do differently this time? Seriously?
Waiting to be quit with you
It goes deeper than that TW. I want to hear from him why I should ever trust him again.
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
I have some questions:
did you post roll the day you caved?
If you did, why is your word going to mean more to me you this time?
If you didn't post roll, why not? Did you not understand the program here?
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
I have some questions:
did you post roll the day you caved?
If you did, why is your word going to mean more to me you this time?
If you didn't post roll, why not? Did you not understand the program here?
another pussy who loves being a slave to the poison.
you can lead a horse to water...well, whatever dude.
don't cry when you get your diagnosis...take it like a man when they cut out your tongue.
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
I have some questions:
did you post roll the day you caved?
If you did, why is your word going to mean more to me you this time?
If you didn't post roll, why not? Did you not understand the program here?
another pussy who loves being a slave to the poison.
you can lead a horse to water...well, whatever dude.
don't cry when you get your diagnosis...take it like a man when they cut out your tongue.
Waltzed into November and dropped a day 3 post in there like nothing ... and then ran. Yup, I see great things coming up with this fucking maroon! 'bang head'
Don't worry HnG, I let November know about your little sneak attempt. You better explain your ass to them prior to sneaking in again!!
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now all the laundry is in one pile.
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
I have some questions:
did you post roll the day you caved?
If you did, why is your word going to mean more to me you this time?
If you didn't post roll, why not? Did you not understand the program here?
another pussy who loves being a slave to the poison.
you can lead a horse to water...well, whatever dude.
don't cry when you get your diagnosis...take it like a man when they cut out your tongue.
Waltzed into November and dropped a day 3 post in there like nothing ... and then ran. Yup, I see great things coming up with this fucking maroon! 'bang head'
Don't worry HnG, I let November know about your little sneak attempt. You better explain your ass to them prior to sneaking in again!!
OK, not that I want to add fuel to the fire, but someone's math is fucked up...that is 66 posts in 18 months not 10.
I ask again:
1 - What Happened?
2 - Why did it happen?
3 - What are you going to do differently this time?
Think through the questions and answer them with a clear mind, don't use anger or angst but come clean.
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This was my original username. The reason I switched names was because I couldn't remember what it was. Anyways, a couple of admins reminded me. I'm not afraid to face the music. Razd611, how'd you know what color my panties are?
50 some posts in 10 months? Or am I missing something?
Save the smart ass comments. If you are going to face the music, it is the three questions you have ignored. Get with the program or fuck off. Nobody gives a shit about a caver who rolls in here like his shit doesn't stink, and starts half-assing from the get-go.
You come back under a different name, ignore the 3 questions, and have a casual attitude......50 posts in 10 months = planned cave. Coming soon, Planned Cave 2.....
I have some questions:
did you post roll the day you caved?
If you did, why is your word going to mean more to me you this time?
If you didn't post roll, why not? Did you not understand the program here?
another pussy who loves being a slave to the poison.
you can lead a horse to water...well, whatever dude.
don't cry when you get your diagnosis...take it like a man when they cut out your tongue.
Waltzed into November and dropped a day 3 post in there like nothing ... and then ran. Yup, I see great things coming up with this fucking maroon! 'bang head'
Don't worry HnG, I let November know about your little sneak attempt. You better explain your ass to them prior to sneaking in again!!
OK, not that I want to add fuel to the fire, but someone's math is fucked up...that is 66 posts in 18 months not 10.
I ask again:
1 - What Happened?
2 - Why did it happen?
3 - What are you going to do differently this time?
Think through the questions and answer them with a clear mind, don't use anger or angst but come clean.
KTC- "We demand accountability before you can return"
Hokies 'n' Grizz fan / BigThom- " 'arse' "
KTC- "Quit fucking around, treat this seriously"
Hokies 'n' Grizz fan / BigThom- " 'na na' "
KTC- "Don't even think about posting roll tomorrow if you're still ignoring everyone who lives in this house"
Hokies 'n' Grizz fan / BigThom- " 'Finger' "
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
All I saw this morning was a strike-through of his roll. Seems like a great idea. Did they remove him from roll?
Why should he get to denigrate the roll of guys who give a shit. Strike-through should be for anyone who doesn't answer the three questions.
It wasn't my idea, but I totally agree with it.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
All I saw this morning was a strike-through of his roll. Seems like a great idea. Did they remove him from roll?
Why should he get to denigrate the roll of guys who give a shit. Strike-through should be for anyone who doesn't answer the three questions.
It wasn't my idea, but I totally agree with it.
No. Roll call is sacred. You can hold him accountable without screwing with his actual roll post. Quote his post and then strike through it, but don't mess with the actual roll call.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
All I saw this morning was a strike-through of his roll. Seems like a great idea. Did they remove him from roll?
Why should he get to denigrate the roll of guys who give a shit. Strike-through should be for anyone who doesn't answer the three questions.
It wasn't my idea, but I totally agree with it.
No. Roll call is sacred. You can hold him accountable without screwing with his actual roll post. Quote his post and then strike through it, but don't mess with the actual roll call.
This position just makes it mean that much less.
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Well that escalated quickly.
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By posting and running you are avoiding facing the accountability commanded by November, after changing your screen name and trying to sneak back in here, you have proven to me you don't deserve to be in this place.
Maybe its time you fuck off and head over to lite. Unfuck yourself or leave.
Nobody is a very big fan of this guy right now...even Nov scratched his name from Roll until he fesses up.
I addressed it there, I'll put it here. Fucking with someone's roll is a no-go, I don't care how much of a doosh he may be.
Hold him accountable, YES.
Fuck with Roll = NO!
Given the cumulative amount of time that he's been on the site since he returned, not to mention the frequency with which he stopped by when he was "quit", it's a pipe dream to think that he's going to see, absorb, and address any of the questions and comments directed toward him. Dipshit couldn't remember his screen name from his first foray into KTC -- why should we think that he gives a shit enough to answer the three questions?
Colossal waste of time.
You may be 100000000000% correct. But if the man said today he's Quit. Then we take him at his word, as flimsy as it may be.
This is one of many KTC Truth's - Quitters find a way to Quit. Cavers find a way to Cave.
'ninja'
Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
All I saw this morning was a strike-through of his roll. Seems like a great idea. Did they remove him from roll?
Why should he get to denigrate the roll of guys who give a shit. Strike-through should be for anyone who doesn't answer the three questions.
It wasn't my idea, but I totally agree with it.
No. Roll call is sacred. You can hold him accountable without screwing with his actual roll post. Quote his post and then strike through it, but don't mess with the actual roll call.
This position just makes it mean that much less.
It's great to see such passion. By all means, hold him accountable, but the fact remains - Roll call is sacred. Messing with someone's roll won't be tolerated.
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Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
It certainly does say that, and I'll tell you, it took a helluva journey for me to come to that realization. Certainly not one that I came here with.
A lot of preverbial (and some literal) blood, sweat, and tears. But the one thing here above all is when you post your roll, no one can take that away from you.
Now as to this caving, weasly turd. He needs to prove his new found 'faith'. The 'Big Three' is one way to do that, that's up to his group. And yes, they can run his ass ragged until he takes his ball and goes home, but as long as he is nicotine free, and comes to this house to pledge that he will remain that way, you don't touch it. If he breaks his word, he's all yours.
Our emphasis is one single act, not his collective actions, which are weak.
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Your own signature says posting roll is a privilege. I thought answering the three questions adequately was the price to be paid by a caver to re-earn that privilege. Otherwise, the three questions are pretty worthless.
It certainly does say that, and I'll tell you, it took a helluva journey for me to come to that realization. Certainly not one that I came here with.
A lot of preverbial (and some literal) blood, sweat, and tears. But the one thing here above all is when you post your roll, no one can take that away from you.
Now as to this caving, weasly turd. He needs to prove his new found 'faith'. The 'Big Three' is one way to do that, that's up to his group. And yes, they can run his ass ragged until he takes his ball and goes home, but as long as he is nicotine free, and comes to this house to pledge that he will remain that way, you don't touch it. If he breaks his word, he's all yours.
Our emphasis is one single act, not his collective actions, which are weak.
I would say he took the right away from himself by caving and that he has a chance to earn it back.
That said, not my group so I don't really have a dog in the fight. I just understand why they approached it the way they did and I agree with it.
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I understand the significance of the argument being had, I do. But this just seems very similar to all the shit that happened with Bobbie Cumdumpster. Too much attention being paid to what to do about him, and not enough attention being paid to guys that need help or advice. The foggy bastards that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground right now. I know the process, and I am not saying that Hokies is in the right, but he obviously doesn't give 2 shits about this, so why should we? Again, I realize it goes deeper than that with roll, but eventually it turns into beating a dead horse because absolutely nothing gets accomplished. Just my opinion.
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The fact that this petty argument is even happening right now is absolutely ridiculous. We were presented with a problem and we sought to solve it, what more do you want? You veterans have got to understand that November is still in its infancy and obviously we are going to struggle with growing pains, but it seems like the remedy to every issue we come acrossed is to be directed with a complete lack of consistency in ideology. In fact the only thing that has been consistent at all in the way we have been instructed is that veterans have disagreed with our approach. Look, I get it, we're new and vulnerable and you're weathered and wise, but how in the fuck do you expect us to make the right decisions if you are telling us that everything is incorrect?
You reprimand us for not attacking a caver so we attack the caver. Big brother attacked the previous caver so that's what we should do right? Wrong, you veterans go and give him a pat on the back and a "good job, Sport." Another caver isn't sincere in his apology so we find a new way to hold caver's accountable and apparently the source of accountability is so sacred that we should be allowing people to desecrate it? Are you kidding me?
I have seen every caver (and there have been oodles of them in our short couple weeks) dealt with in a different way each time. I saw that process and I found it to be odd and confusing. Sure, I get that context is important and certain people react to things differently but I felt that we needed something that was unwavering. So I took the guy off the roll, my fucking bad. The importance of the roll has been so emphasized that I thought, why should this guy be awarded the same right as myself and the others who have been honest without proving it to us? It is the simplest solution, it's a way the we can be consistent with each person who caves, it's the best way to hold them accountable for their actions and I absolutely stand by it. But I'm new, I just quit, and you guys have a system you have figured out that has clearly worked in the past so I'll follow the rules but up to now everything has been so goddamned unclear that I'm getting sick of being herded every step of the way.
So allow me to be unambiguous. I am going to come here and post roll every day and support my brothers that are struggling with me because that is what is important, but until you guys can explain to me an exact method that you prefer we police things rather than just telling us to police it and then telling us we're doing it wrong, I am absolutely done trying to uphold whatever murky values there are holding my group together.
In the meantime, we've got some babies whose eyes aren't even open yet dealing with the same shit I did last week so maybe they deserve more of everyone's time than this dip shit tip-toeing his way into my family room each morning.
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In the meantime, we've got some babies whose eyes aren't even open yet dealing with the same shit I did last week so maybe they deserve more of everyone's time than this dip shit tip-toeing his way into my family room each morning.
Yes. This^^^^.
No one reprimanded that I saw. It was just pointed out that roll call itself is not to be messed with. That is a VERY consistent tenet of KTC.
Quoting his roll post and then calling him out is the way to do it. Personally, I'm with you and I wouldn't waste time on this guy. His word means shit to me right now.
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The fact that this petty argument is even happening right now is absolutely ridiculous. We were presented with a problem and we sought to solve it, what more do you want? You veterans have got to understand that November is still in its infancy and obviously we are going to struggle with growing pains, but it seems like the remedy to every issue we come acrossed is to be directed with a complete lack of consistency in ideology. In fact the only thing that has been consistent at all in the way we have been instructed is that veterans have disagreed with our approach. Look, I get it, we're new and vulnerable and you're weathered and wise, but how in the fuck do you expect us to make the right decisions if you are telling us that everything is incorrect?
You reprimand us for not attacking a caver so we attack the caver. Big brother attacked the previous caver so that's what we should do right? Wrong, you veterans go and give him a pat on the back and a "good job, Sport." Another caver isn't sincere in his apology so we find a new way to hold caver's accountable and apparently the source of accountability is so sacred that we should be allowing people to desecrate it? Are you kidding me?
I have seen every caver (and there have been oodles of them in our short couple weeks) dealt with in a different way each time. I saw that process and I found it to be odd and confusing. Sure, I get that context is important and certain people react to things differently but I felt that we needed something that was unwavering. So I took the guy off the roll, my fucking bad. The importance of the roll has been so emphasized that I thought, why should this guy be awarded the same right as myself and the others who have been honest without proving it to us? It is the simplest solution, it's a way the we can be consistent with each person who caves, it's the best way to hold them accountable for their actions and I absolutely stand by it. But I'm new, I just quit, and you guys have a system you have figured out that has clearly worked in the past so I'll follow the rules but up to now everything has been so goddamned unclear that I'm getting sick of being herded every step of the way.
So allow me to be unambiguous. I am going to come here and post roll every day and support my brothers that are struggling with me because that is what is important, but until you guys can explain to me an exact method that you prefer we police things rather than just telling us to police it and then telling us we're doing it wrong, I am absolutely done trying to uphold whatever murky values there are holding my group together.
In the meantime, we've got some babies whose eyes aren't even open yet dealing with the same shit I did last week so maybe they deserve more of everyone's time than this dip shit tip-toeing his way into my family room each morning.
If it were up to me we'd chop the cavers heads off.
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Please post your answers to the three questions in November 14 before you post roll again.
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Please post your answers to the three questions in November 14 before you post roll again.
Classic -- numbnuts can't be bothered to post roll on the one day in which his presence might actually matter to everyone else. Great to see that he gives a shit. With the weekend upon us, it's a safe assumption that this champion can be chalked up as yet another early quit fart in the wind.
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Please post your answers to the three questions in November 14 before you post roll again.
Classic -- numbnuts can't be bothered to post roll on the one day in which his presence might actually matter to everyone else. Great to see that he gives a shit. With the weekend upon us, it's a safe assumption that this champion can be chalked up as yet another early quit fart in the wind.
meh, screw this guy. There are a bunch of bad ass guys in November gutting it out through the early days, the tough days that this guy couldn't face without a lip full of poison. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Closed. No need to bring this up.
If ass bag comes back we can open it up.