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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Rheleaf on December 20, 2017, 08:58:00 PM
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Hey guys,
Been dipping now for 19 years, half my Life!
I am on about 46 hours quit. I haven't tried to quit in about 5 years the last time I tried to quit I think I made it all the way to supper time on day 1. Pathetic!
I found his place by a horrible family tragedy. I already love it. Reading on here made me realize that i love nic more than i love my kids, my wife, everything. Nic takes priority #1 in my life. And that pisses me off, makes me sick to my stomach, and mostly makes me sad. How could I let this happen? I am here to change me and I need it in a bad way.
I've managed to mess up my roll call both days I've done it, hope I get better at that.
Day 1 2 suck. I feel strange. I'm hot one min. Cold the next. All i can think about is nic. Taking saunas nightly Thinking it will help me shed of the sodium from all the seeds I've been mowing down. Drinking water like a crazy man because I can't get this bad taste out of my mouth like cotton mouth all the time. One good thing about quitting near Christmas is the fact that there are candy canes everywhere. I dont feel any better, i feel.worse. But I know this is worth it. I still love nic, but by the time I'm done with this first week I'm sure i will hate it.
It seems the worst time for me is 3pm-6pm I don't know why but that's the worst time ever. I'm still quit,
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Thanx for sharing brother. You we are here for and with you. We are addicts just like you. You have a pretty unique experience that put you here. Don't let that go to waste. Stay strong, stay quit. And you know you better call me anytime you think there's a chance your going to cave. I got your back!
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Thanx for sharing brother. You we are here for and with you. We are addicts just like you. You have a pretty unique experience that put you here. Don't let that go to waste. Stay strong, stay quit. And you know you better call me anytime you think there's a chance your going to cave. I got your back!
Kick that bitches ass ODAAT!
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Rheleaf, congrats on the best decision of your life. I dipped for 24 years and am on Day 103. It gets better but you have to embrace the suck and quit hard each and every day.
Posting roll every morning will give you the strength you need to quit each day, it's an awesome feeling.
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Rheleaf, congrats on the best decision of your life. I dipped for 24 years and am on Day 103. It gets better but you have to embrace the suck and quit hard each and every day.
Posting roll every morning will give you the strength you need to quit each day, it's an awesome feeling.
Congrats on the stop. Remember, half a jaw, no tongue and a funeral sucks a whole lot too. Remember this suck and remember it well. Next time a crave hits and you get to thinking, remember how bad this sucks and see if you ever wish to do it again. I decided it sucked bad enough no dip, cig or cigar in the world is ever worth it. I enjoy the company here much better than them money sucking bastards at the convenience store.
Take care and I quit with you all EDD!
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Day 2 was my favorite.
Not really. It was the worst for me. Day 3 was slightly better, but still rough. Day 4 wasn't great, yet a slight improvement. Day 5 was a bit more normal. Day 6... Something weird happened on day 6; I felt ok.
It's been getting better everyday since, and I wouldn't trade that first week for anything, now. IQWYT!
Brick - Day 71
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Day 3, looking at all the comments and great information and support here. It makes me very proud to be a quitter with all of you.
I haven't been much good outside of working hours this week tho. I've been a bad dad and not too much of a hubby either. I feel like not doing anything after 6 pm, all I want to do is lay in the recliner and go to bed early. So I do, and I end up waking up 6-8 times a night and I'm usually up at least an hour before my alarm goes off. That's coming from a guy that normally sleeps like a log, never hearing anything in the middle of the night. I'm hoping this will pass soon.
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Day 3, looking at all the comments and great information and support here. It makes me very proud to be a quitter with all of you.
I haven't been much good outside of working hours this week tho. I've been a bad dad and not too much of a hubby either. I feel like not doing anything after 6 pm, all I want to do is lay in the recliner and go to bed early. So I do, and I end up waking up 6-8 times a night and I'm usually up at least an hour before my alarm goes off. That's coming from a guy that normally sleeps like a log, never hearing anything in the middle of the night. I'm hoping this will pass soon.
The sleep will level itself out, once your body finds its real normal. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Dam proud of you man. Day 3, the nic is out of your system, it's mind games from here. And you're digging right in, using your tools and making connections. The nic bitch doesn't stand a chance. Like Frank said, you better call me before you take a dip.
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Day 3, looking at all the comments and great information and support here. It makes me very proud to be a quitter with all of you.
I haven't been much good outside of working hours this week tho. I've been a bad dad and not too much of a hubby either. I feel like not doing anything after 6 pm, all I want to do is lay in the recliner and go to bed early. So I do, and I end up waking up 6-8 times a night and I'm usually up at least an hour before my alarm goes off. That's coming from a guy that normally sleeps like a log, never hearing anything in the middle of the night. I'm hoping this will pass soon.
The sleep will level itself out, once your body finds its real normal. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Dam proud of you man. Day 3, the nic is out of your system, it's mind games from here. And you're digging right in, using your tools and making connections. The nic bitch doesn't stand a chance. Like Frank said, you better call me before you take a dip.
Early on you can expect all sorts of weird stuff and lots of mental fog. IT GETS BETTER! :D
The first week of quitting is a bad ass roller coaster ride. Hang on and stick with the site and you will get through this, one day at a time.
I quit with you today!
Stranger999 day 839
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RHELEAF,
Welcome to the group and congratulations on quitting!
The main way to be successful is to just decide that you have quit. Once you stop the negotiating in your head as to whether you will do one more or not the rest becomes far more simple.
Next, you will learn to distract your attention from your desire for a dip to anything else that interests you. This ability to change your focus will guarantee your success and make your quit that much easier.
When you place a dip in your mouth, your brain releases sugars. Well, those sugars are now going to be gone.
However, you can replace them with OJ or other fruit juices with sugar. This will provide some comfort, especially in your initial quit days.
Make sure to exercise with weights and cardio when you feel that nagging tension in your muscles, you feel that rage, when you can not sleep and when you can not focus. Exercise really helps.
Here is one that most people overlook. Get at least 3 square meals a day. Hunger can really bring on those urges so squash those urges before they come. Eat full healthy meals and do not let yourself get excessively hungry. You will see this helps a great deal.
I waited until I was 59 quit after using tobacco for 40 years. You are wise to quit now.
I quit with you today.
Dundippin Day 830
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Day 4,
Seeds and beef jerky and lot of water that has been the answer for me no fake chew yet. If a crave gets that bad, I force myself to drink from my spitter I filled last week. So far it hasn't got that bad. But I'll take a drink before I'll buy a tin.
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Day 4,
Seeds and beef jerky and lot of water that has been the answer for me no fake chew yet. If a crave gets that bad, I force myself to drink from my spitter I filled last week. So far it hasn't got that bad. But I'll take a drink before I'll buy a tin.
Wow, that is committment right there!
Way to stay transparent, let all see what you are feeling and what are the hardest and easiest parts of this quit journey.
IQWYT.
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I'm glad you found us. God draws straight with crooked lines. She's like that. I know Her pretty well.
You're 38 years old.
I used tobacco for 38 years.
We have 38 years in common.
I'm quit.
We have that in common.
Life is precious.
We have that in common.
I'm here.
If you need me.
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Proud to quit with you Rheleaf. You have a lot of people watching and cheering you on. I hope you can feel that support and use it as motivation during the tough times that are sure to come.
Never Again For Any Reason!!!
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Day 5, damn you day 5! I don't know what it is about today but holy shit is as bad as day 1 if not worse. Maybe its because its Saturday, i dont know. Is it because I'm left with my own thoughts today? Work doesn't fill my mind today so I can think about what I want to think about. I got nervous heading to town for gas because I didn't think I'd be strong enough to say no to nic. Was it because I went ice fishing for the first time without nic? It was a rough quit day for me, I made it without that bitch but today really tested my ability to be more bull headed than my old habit...
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Day 6 and day 7, Christmas eve and Christmas day. Both days were good. I've actually made it 1 full week without Nic! If someone would be told me two weeks ago that this was going to happen I would've laughed in their face. This is the first Christmas in 19 Christmases that I have not taken a dip. And it's all thanks to KTC, and the amazing support from all of you quitters here, and some will power, and prayers for strength to say no!
One thing I did find out that works good for me. Its kind of nasty, but I'll share in hopes that it may help someone else out....
. I was suffering from cotton mouth like crazy for the first bit, still do but not quite as bad. I drank lots of water which helped but didn't really solve the problem. Well, I would always brush my tongue when I brushed my teeth but it just wasn't cutting it. So I went out and got one of those tongue scraper/cleaner things. Wonderful! Night to day difference. Like I said before it didn't completely fix the cotton mouth situation but every day I scrape it seems to get better.
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LetÂ’s go rhleaf! YouÂ’re doing great and taking it ODAAT! Keep going forward
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I am on day 18, 18 long days. It's easier than the first week was. But it still sucks. I often find myself thinking that I can be a casual nic user. But I embrace the suck and I will never forget how hard each and every day has been and still is. That is what keeps me quit, that's what makes me not ever want to be a casual user. That and support from others on this amazing place.
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I caved today, day 27. I did not utilize any support from ktc.
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I caved today, day 27. I did not utilize any support from ktc.
When you get serious about your quit,
When your quit is as important as anything else in life,
Not more important, but as important,
Then you can quit.
Until then, you're just kidding yourself,
And betraying our trust in you.
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I caved today, day 27. I did not utilize any support from ktc.
When you get serious about your quit,
When your quit is as important as anything else in life,
Not more important, but as important,
Then you can quit.
Until then, you're just kidding yourself,
And betraying our trust in you.
I know you can do this but itÂ’s like the rest say you gotta want this as bad as anything youÂ’ve ever wanted. EveryoneÂ’s gonna have bad days. Gotta learn to use your tools or you will be lusting after the ole whore! IÂ’m here letÂ’s do this together, itÂ’s a helluva lot harder alone. 30,000+ strong
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I caved today, day 27. I did not utilize any support from ktc.
When you get serious about your quit,
When your quit is as important as anything else in life,
Not more important, but as important,
Then you can quit.
Until then, you're just kidding yourself,
And betraying our trust in you.
I know you can do this but itÂ’s like the rest say you gotta want this as bad as anything youÂ’ve ever wanted. EveryoneÂ’s gonna have bad days. Gotta learn to use your tools or you will be lusting after the ole whore! IÂ’m here letÂ’s do this together, itÂ’s a helluva lot harder alone. 30,000+ strong
Guess it really wasn't a priority in your life to be quit. Pathetic! Did you take the drink out of your spitter as you claimed you would, or is that another lie as well?
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I don't have any spitters left. Plus I didn't dip, so no.
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Post #24 in my introduction. Day 2 again, not nearly as bad as day 2 almost a month ago. Not something I'd recommend doing on a monthly basis but it's not the end of the world either. My word is still mud on KTC but that comes with the territory. There are a bunch of people that like to call you a liar and try to get under your skin, but such is life when you are a liar. If you can't handle it then get thicker skin. And don't lie anymore. We'll see if any one on here takes my word on anything in a month or so. If not, I will leave the site and make the promise to myself and my wife and kids. I don't really want to follow the exact path as pureblood a fellow march 18 railroader that is no longer on this site. Time will tell. I am sorry to my fellow March 18 Railroaders for caving on you. I hope you can forgive me for lieing. Good luck. As for my new group, April 2018, I will do better. I will not lie any more.
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Post #24 in my introduction. Day 2 again, not nearly as bad as day 2 almost a month ago. Not something I'd recommend doing on a monthly basis but it's not the end of the world either. My word is still mud on KTC but that comes with the territory. There are a bunch of people that like to call you a liar and try to get under your skin, but such is life when you are a liar. If you can't handle it then get thicker skin. And don't lie anymore. We'll see if any one on here takes my word on anything in a month or so. If not, I will leave the site and make the promise to myself and my wife and kids. I don't really want to follow the exact path as pureblood a fellow march 18 railroader that is no longer on this site. Time will tell. I am sorry to my fellow March 18 Railroaders for caving on you. I hope you can forgive me for lieing. Good luck. As for my new group, April 2018, I will do better. I will not lie any more.
Proof is in your quit and activity on the site. You've heard the old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". Us vets are a pain in the ass of the nic bitch and newbies who lack the resolve to stay on task. Prove us wrong, for your sake and life.
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Post #24 in my introduction. Day 2 again, not nearly as bad as day 2 almost a month ago. Not something I'd recommend doing on a monthly basis but it's not the end of the world either. My word is still mud on KTC but that comes with the territory. There are a bunch of people that like to call you a liar and try to get under your skin, but such is life when you are a liar. If you can't handle it then get thicker skin. And don't lie anymore. We'll see if any one on here takes my word on anything in a month or so. If not, I will leave the site and make the promise to myself and my wife and kids. I don't really want to follow the exact path as pureblood a fellow march 18 railroader that is no longer on this site. Time will tell. I am sorry to my fellow March 18 Railroaders for caving on you. I hope you can forgive me for lieing. Good luck. As for my new group, April 2018, I will do better. I will not lie any more.
Proof is in your quit and activity on the site. You've heard the old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". Us vets are a pain in the ass of the nic bitch and newbies who lack the resolve to stay on task. Prove us wrong, for your sake and life.
Rheleaf - I like what I see in this post. Now let's see some actions, man. Show us. Don't set a deadline for yourself, either... that's your brain, trying to give you an out. Dig in, grab hold of your quit and make it rock-solid, so that nothing will shake your determination to be clean. Not circumstances, not a bunch of random yahoos on the internet, nothing.
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Day 3, post Paul mall cig. Again withdraw symptoms not nearly as bad as my 1st day 3. More like the symptoms I was feeling on day 26. Just my brain still rewiring itself. Looking forward to more clean days.
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Day 3, post Paul mall cig. Again withdraw symptoms not nearly as bad as my 1st day 3. More like the symptoms I was feeling on day 26. Just my brain still rewiring itself. Looking forward to more clean days.
I look forward to the rest of the day, I don't worry about quitting tomorrow until then. There is no forever quit, just the quit for today. I'll still be an addict tomorrow.
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Day 3, post Paul mall cig. Again withdraw symptoms not nearly as bad as my 1st day 3. More like the symptoms I was feeling on day 26. Just my brain still rewiring itself. Looking forward to more clean days.
I look forward to the rest of the day, I don't worry about quitting tomorrow until then. There is no forever quit, just the quit for today. I'll still be an addict tomorrow.
People on here are funny. The claim they hate nic, they say I have bigger problems if I don't hate nic by now. But they don't hate nic, they are addicts. Addicts don't hate their preferred drug, addicts love what addicts are addicted too. I am an addict I am addicted to nicotine. And I love nicotine because I am an addict. That's how addiction works. Today I am a quit addict. I hope to be a quit addict everyday moving forward. Today I am only worried about today. Tomorrow I will worry about when it gets here. But I hope to be a quit addict then too. Once an addict always an addict. There are active addicts and quit addicts, but regardless of your addiction status, you are an addict. And there will always be a part of me that loves nicotine. The addict part of me.
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Day 3, post Paul mall cig. Again withdraw symptoms not nearly as bad as my 1st day 3. More like the symptoms I was feeling on day 26. Just my brain still rewiring itself. Looking forward to more clean days.
I look forward to the rest of the day, I don't worry about quitting tomorrow until then. There is no forever quit, just the quit for today. I'll still be an addict tomorrow.
People on here are funny. The claim they hate nic, they say I have bigger problems if I don't hate nic by now. But they don't hate nic, they are addicts. Addicts don't hate their preferred drug, addicts love what addicts are addicted too. I am an addict I am addicted to nicotine. And I love nicotine because I am an addict. That's how addiction works. Today I am a quit addict. I hope to be a quit addict everyday moving forward. Today I am only worried about today. Tomorrow I will worry about when it gets here. But I hope to be a quit addict then too. Once an addict always an addict. There is active addicts and quit addicts, but regardless of your addiction status, you are an addict. And there will always be a part of me that loves nicotine. The addict part of me.
I understand what you are saying about hatred for nicotine. When I first came here I hated my addiction and I hated the fact that I loved nicotine. I simply could not understand what people were talking about with the "required" hatred for nicotine.
Now, 476 days quit and a nicotine turned to life taking cancer family tragedy later, I have an extreme hatred for nicotine. It makes the quit so much easier, but I do not think people jump right into a quit with that level of hatred, it will come with time.
Your key to success will be keeping your word. It is not easy at all, but it is very simple.
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Day 3, post Paul mall cig. Again withdraw symptoms not nearly as bad as my 1st day 3. More like the symptoms I was feeling on day 26. Just my brain still rewiring itself. Looking forward to more clean days.
I look forward to the rest of the day, I don't worry about quitting tomorrow until then. There is no forever quit, just the quit for today. I'll still be an addict tomorrow.
People on here are funny. The claim they hate nic, they say I have bigger problems if I don't hate nic by now. But they don't hate nic, they are addicts. Addicts don't hate their preferred drug, addicts love what addicts are addicted too. I am an addict I am addicted to nicotine. And I love nicotine because I am an addict. That's how addiction works. Today I am a quit addict. I hope to be a quit addict everyday moving forward. Today I am only worried about today. Tomorrow I will worry about when it gets here. But I hope to be a quit addict then too. Once an addict always an addict. There is active addicts and quit addicts, but regardless of your addiction status, you are an addict. And there will always be a part of me that loves nicotine. The addict part of me.
I understand what you are saying about hatred for nicotine. When I first came here I hated my addiction and I hated the fact that I loved nicotine. I simply could not understand what people were talking about with the "required" hatred for nicotine.
Now, 476 days quit and a nicotine turned to life taking cancer family tragedy later, I have an extreme hatred for nicotine. It makes the quit so much easier, but I do not think people jump right into a quit with that level of hatred, it will come with time.
Your key to success will be keeping your word. It is not easy at all, but it is very simple.
I suggest you dig into some of the introductions of people who are much further in their quit than you in an attempt to give yourself some perspective. There is a reason that after 5,6,7,8,9 years that people still post up their promise. It is more about what they have come to be because of their quit. They celebrate the victories in the lives of fellow quitters. The days quit become secondary, albeit important still, to the freedoms they now enjoy.
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canofbeans, I am a bit later in my quit. and I too, now Hate nic.
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Then post roll like everyone else... why are you special?
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I am not special, I'm just a guy that makes his mind up one day at a time not to put nic into his body. tomorrow will be my two month, away from posting roll, anniversary. Still quit, can't say I've done it alone, KTC is the reason I am still quit. I am very thankful for this place.
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So you are keeping track of the anniversary of your last roll post?
Is this going to be a celebration?
You are special.... you don't post roll and yet you roam these hallways.
You post in your introduction without posting roll.... trust me you are the only one that does that.
You go in your home group (my group) and lie about a CAVE (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12322213&t=30424041) because you are too much of a pussy to post roll everyday (roll is sacred by the way).
YOU ARE FUCKING SPECIAL
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So you are keeping track of the anniversary of your last roll post?
Is this going to be a celebration?
You are special.... you don't post roll and yet you roam these hallways.
You post in your introduction without posting roll.... trust me you are the only one that does that.
You go in your home group (my group) and lie about a CAVE (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=12322213&t=30424041) because you are too much of a pussy to post roll everyday (roll is sacred by the way).
YOU ARE FUCKING SPECIAL
AND FUCKING LAZY
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this is the last correspondence I received from you. Why won't you accept that my way of quitting works for me?
skolvikings · Mar 12 2018, 10:26 AM You got it.... I won't bother you again and I wish you the best of luck.
Stay quit
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Let's play:
I will not post anything on this site until I post roll first, per the board guidelines. I have consulted with an administrator, for me to fully "ghost" on this site I had to remove myself from my quit group. So that's what I did my quit is strong 82 days off the can. 55 days per KTC standards. Due to a cig. I had on day 27 of my original quit. It is true, I want the benefit of the KTC community without the work. I may get booted off the site for sending PM's, I don't know how that works. If that happens its ok, as i can ghost as a guest. As far as I know when your not part of a quit group posting roll you can't post to the public forum. But you can still PM. I am sending this to you because you seem to be the Nazi of the group. Ultimately I lied to all of you so I get what I want. Because I am a fat, lazy, self centered, quitter. I am only worried about myself and my quit, that is what is important to me. I dont want to take time out of my busy day to deal with other people's bull shit, and other people's timeline as to what is "late" I make my promise to myself, my wife and my kids. That's what keeps me going, and will continue to keep me going. Along with the fact that my dad got cancer from Nicotine. I was hoping I could deal with the drama in the group for another 45 days getting me to the HOF, and I could exit my quit group with respect. But I'm fed up, and out. 82 days! Do you realize how fucking awesome that is!
SO ARE YOU SPECIAL? DON'T SHARE PM'S IF YOU DON'T WANT YOURS SHARED...
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when I wrote that I did not realize that admin allowed posting in the introductions was allowed, while not posting roll. From all of the posts I've read that have been brought up by other members of this site, it turns out I can post in the introductions only.
share away all of my p.m.'s I don't care. do whatever you feel you need to do, you can't take my quit.
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Take your quit? What does that mean? I donÂ’t want your quit. I want you to be quit. KTC has the formula that has worked for thousands.
Wake up
Piss post promise.
You donÂ’t follow those guide lines. Correct?
Special little butterfly.
You are special.... all the benefits but not the commitment.
LAZY.
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and quit
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and quit
And lazy
And special
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it turns out a quitter doesn't need to quit using KTC in the same cold turkey way they quit using nicotine. KTC ultimately is a means to an end. That "end" ultimately is life nicotine free. Now, if a member of this site has cold feet about staying quit without posting roll, then maybe they should continue to post roll. However, if they feel that they are strong in their quit and want to try nicotine free life without posting roll do it. The member can still use the site for the casual reader approach (which is a nice way of saying "ghosting") and can still receive support from the KTC community. it goes right back to take what you need and leave the rest. Yes, I know I am lazy, you know I am lazy because I told you that.
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in case you missed it in my p.m. to you this is where I told you I am lazy.
Rheleaf · Mar 9 2018, 11:29 PMI will not post anything on this site until I post roll first, per the board guidelines. I have consulted with an administrator, for me to fully "ghost" on this site I had to remove myself from my quit group. So that's what I did my quit is strong 82 days off the can. 55 days per KTC standards. Due to a cig. I had on day 27 of my original quit. It is true, I want the benefit of the KTC community without the work. I may get booted off the site for sending PM's, I don't know how that works. If that happens its ok, as i can ghost as a guest. As far as I know when your not part of a quit group posting roll you can't post to the public forum. But you can still PM. I am sending this to you because you seem to be the Nazi of the group. Ultimately I lied to all of you so I get what I want. Because I am a fat, lazy, self centered, quitter. I am only worried about myself and my quit, that is what is important to me. I dont want to take time out of my busy day to deal with other people's bull shit, and other people's timeline as to what is "late" I make my promise to myself, my wife and my kids. That's what keeps me going, and will continue to keep me going. Along with the fact that my dad got cancer from Nicotine. I was hoping I could deal with the drama in the group for another 45 days getting me to the HOF, and I could exit my quit group with respect. But I'm fed up, and out. 82 days! Do you realize how fucking awesome that is!
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here is another p.m.
Rheleaf · Mar 11 2018, 10:00 PMI am not special, I am quit. The benefit of this site is to help people not put that shit in their mouth. Which is done through posting roll. I get it, that's great if that's what works for most. But it is not the only way. In my opinion the only way for success in this battle is not to post roll, not to make friends, not to abide by others schedules, the only way to have success is to not put that fucking shit in my mouth. If I can do that with out posting roll on KTC but verbally telling my wife and kids that everyday when I send them off to school that i wont use nic. (Which i know my kids dont understand because they are 3, but it helps me) and promising myself that i will never put that shit in my body then I'm good. I am not looking for special attention, I am only looking to use KTC to help me stay quit, that's it. That's all I want. I will never post day 1 again. Furthermore, the price of admission here is not posting roll it is staying quit. Posting roll is the price a member pays to post to the public forum. I exited my quit group in about the most disrespectful way possible. Caving with no explanation and no repost of day 1. All i want is to be left alone. I thought that nasty gram I sent to you would've been enough to keep you off my back. But for some reason you are still after me. Please leave me alone to my quit.
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Rheleaf, you say you are still nic free, and are not part of April. But you are still a member of KTC. To be ghosting in the quit groups, you need to be nicotine free. The way KTC knows you are nicotine free is your daily roll post. Without that roll post, you are essentially a guest here at KTC. You have the privileges of a member (because you registered) but if you are not posting roll, you do not belong anywhere that only members are allowed to be. When you say getting the benefits of the site through ghosting, are you reading things that only nicotine free, posting members are supposed to be reading? We have texted a lot in the past, but that has slowed since your exit from the site. So now, I am the one confused. What all are you reading through on the site? If you had never registered, you would not be able to read through any of the quit groups. By not being active, I feel like that is where your usage lies, outside of member areas, my feeling, not specifically the law of the land. just my $0.02
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Rheleaf, you say you are still nic free, and are not part of April. But you are still a member of KTC. To be ghosting in the quit groups, you need to be nicotine free. The way KTC knows you are nicotine free is your daily roll post. Without that roll post, you are essentially a guest here at KTC. You have the privileges of a member (because you registered) but if you are not posting roll, you do not belong anywhere that only members are allowed to be. When you say getting the benefits of the site through ghosting, are you reading things that only nicotine free, posting members are supposed to be reading? We have texted a lot in the past, but that has slowed since your exit from the site. So now, I am the one confused. What all are you reading through on the site? If you had never registered, you would not be able to read through any of the quit groups. By not being active, I feel like that is where your usage lies, outside of member areas, my feeling, not specifically the law of the land. just my $0.02
Look up Parasite.
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Franx,
I see your point, it is valid. Thank you for bringing it up in a polite manner. I Want to thank you for investing your time and efforts in me. Between you, cavman83, Pab, Rewire, and STT I wouldn't be quit.
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Rheleaf, you say you are still nic free, and are not part of April. But you are still a member of KTC. To be ghosting in the quit groups, you need to be nicotine free. The way KTC knows you are nicotine free is your daily roll post. Without that roll post, you are essentially a guest here at KTC. You have the privileges of a member (because you registered) but if you are not posting roll, you do not belong anywhere that only members are allowed to be. When you say getting the benefits of the site through ghosting, are you reading things that only nicotine free, posting members are supposed to be reading? We have texted a lot in the past, but that has slowed since your exit from the site. So now, I am the one confused. What all are you reading through on the site? If you had never registered, you would not be able to read through any of the quit groups. By not being active, I feel like that is where your usage lies, outside of member areas, my feeling, not specifically the law of the land. just my $0.02
Look up Parasite.
Look up ad hominem.
Rheleaf, when you join this site, you are becoming part of a community. As such, there are certain morals and dogma that are adopted by the community, and evolve over time. In a nutshell, the price of admission is posting daily roll. If you are not willing to do this, maybe you should reconsider whether this community is right for you.
Me? I'm an engineer. I have no social skills. These guys put up with me in spite of this.
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Franx,
I see your point, it is valid. Thank you for bringing it up in a polite manner. I Want to thank you for investing your time and efforts in me. Between you, cavman83, Pab, Rewire, and STT I wouldn't be quit.
Polite manner.... yes I get it... I am the shit head you are passively referencing as being the non-polite one.
Do you even understand why I am upset?
I put my guts into April 18, including helping you along.
You get bored with posting and fake (or I really don't know if it's fake, you could be posting in your intro with a fatty in your mouth) cave because you are lazy.....
I get the fact you don't like me.... trust me I'm cool with that, I don't like you.... but I want you quit
I do not want you to get cancer..... this beef between you and me is about me wanting to save your life more than you wanting to save your own....
Are you quit.... I have no freaking idea because you don't promise me and whatever group you should be in....
If you can't see what you are doing (which you think... and maybe is within the rules) isn't one of the most disrespectful acts to the core principals and founders of this site... then you are blind
Stay quit, if I was acting like you in these sacred walls that have saved so many lives I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
- THE MEAN GUY
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Franx,
I see your point, it is valid. Thank you for bringing it up in a polite manner. I Want to thank you for investing your time and efforts in me. Between you, cavman83, Pab, Rewire, and STT I wouldn't be quit.
Polite manner.... yes I get it... I am the shit head you are passively referencing as being the non-polite one.
Do you even understand why I am upset?
I put my guts into April 18, including helping you along.
You get bored with posting and fake (or I really don't know if it's fake, you could be posting in your intro with a fatty in your mouth) cave because you are lazy.....
I get the fact you don't like me.... trust me I'm cool with that, I don't like you.... but I want you quit
I do not want you to get cancer..... this beef between you and me is about me wanting to save your life more than you wanting to save your own....
Are you quit.... I have no freaking idea because you don't promise me and whatever group you should be in....
If you can't see what you are doing (which you think... and maybe is within the rules) isn't one of the most disrespectful acts to the core principals and founders of this site... then you are blind
Stay quit, if I was acting like you in these sacred walls that have saved so many lives I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
- THE MEAN GUY
PREACH ON BROTHER!!!
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Rheleaf, you say you are still nic free, and are not part of April. But you are still a member of KTC. To be ghosting in the quit groups, you need to be nicotine free. The way KTC knows you are nicotine free is your daily roll post. Without that roll post, you are essentially a guest here at KTC. You have the privileges of a member (because you registered) but if you are not posting roll, you do not belong anywhere that only members are allowed to be. When you say getting the benefits of the site through ghosting, are you reading things that only nicotine free, posting members are supposed to be reading? We have texted a lot in the past, but that has slowed since your exit from the site. So now, I am the one confused. What all are you reading through on the site? If you had never registered, you would not be able to read through any of the quit groups. By not being active, I feel like that is where your usage lies, outside of member areas, my feeling, not specifically the law of the land. just my $0.02
Look up Parasite.
Look up ad hominem.
Rheleaf, when you join this site, you are becoming part of a community. As such, there are certain morals and dogma that are adopted by the community, and evolve over time. In a nutshell, the price of admission is posting daily roll. If you are not willing to do this, maybe you should reconsider whether this community is right for you.
Me? I'm an engineer. I have no social skills. These guys put up with me in spite of this.
Thumb through miscomprehend...
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Rheleaf, this whole recent thread and brewhaha is unfortunate and unnecessary. You alone have the power to end it/ change it.....many options that you control.
I respectfully request that you choose an option so that everyone involved can move on with however they choose to live their life. This mindless pissing contest benefits no one including yourself.
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Checking out May GROUP? IF STILL QUIT WHY NOT POST A DAY 1 IN AUGUST AND BE LEGIT? AUGUST COULD USE A LEADER.
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Well, this ended......hope you still quit
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
rheleaf, you still have contacts. I told you you could call or text if there was ever a need. Calling an almost complete stranger may be tough but I promise it's a Better answer than putting that shit in your mouth again. You told me you would not delete any numbers so I assume you still have my number.
USE the contacts you have.
Do not USE nicotine.
Get into November 18 and post up
there is room in there for you,
but you have to do the work.
All we can do is support your quit
You came back to post this...
You know you want to do this
Sack the fuck up
And quit
Like AJ said, do not try, just quit
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
rheleaf, you still have contacts. I told you you could call or text if there was ever a need. Calling an almost complete stranger may be tough but I promise it's a Better answer than putting that shit in your mouth again. You told me you would not delete any numbers so I assume you still have my number.
USE the contacts you have.
Do not USE nicotine.
Get into November 18 and post up
there is room in there for you,
but you have to do the work.
All we can do is support your quit
You came back to post this...
You know you want to do this
Sack the fuck up
And quit
Like AJ said, do not try, just quit
IÂ’ll repeat...
No. No more trying.
Rheleaf... go try somewhere else that accepts pats on the ass for feeble attempts and weak mindsets.
KTC is not for you.
How much more will we pander to weakness and let it taint KTC?
Beating this addiction takes everything. You have proven you donÂ’t have what it takes to do that.
Ignore the invites to “try” again.
Try... somewhere else.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
rheleaf, you still have contacts. I told you you could call or text if there was ever a need. Calling an almost complete stranger may be tough but I promise it's a Better answer than putting that shit in your mouth again. You told me you would not delete any numbers so I assume you still have my number.
USE the contacts you have.
Do not USE nicotine.
Get into November 18 and post up
there is room in there for you,
but you have to do the work.
All we can do is support your quit
You came back to post this...
You know you want to do this
Sack the fuck up
And quit
Like AJ said, do not try, just quit
IÂ’ll repeat...
No. No more trying.
Rheleaf... go try somewhere else that accepts pats on the ass for feeble attempts and weak mindsets.
KTC is not for you.
How much more will we pander to weakness and let it taint KTC?
Beating this addiction takes everything. You have proven you donÂ’t have what it takes to do that.
Ignore the invites to “try” again.
Try... somewhere else.
I'm not inviting him to try again.
I'm telling him to try our way once.
He's never tried our way.
He's been above us. Better than us. Looked down on what we do.
I'm telling him to accept that he sucks at quitting on his own.
I'm telling him he ain't no special butterfly.
I'm telling him to pull his head out of his ass, get with the program, post a daily promise, and stay quit for once.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
rheleaf, you still have contacts. I told you you could call or text if there was ever a need. Calling an almost complete stranger may be tough but I promise it's a Better answer than putting that shit in your mouth again. You told me you would not delete any numbers so I assume you still have my number.
USE the contacts you have.
Do not USE nicotine.
Get into November 18 and post up
there is room in there for you,
but you have to do the work.
All we can do is support your quit
You came back to post this...
You know you want to do this
Sack the fuck up
And quit
Like AJ said, do not try, just quit
IÂ’ll repeat...
No. No more trying.
Rheleaf... go try somewhere else that accepts pats on the ass for feeble attempts and weak mindsets.
KTC is not for you.
How much more will we pander to weakness and let it taint KTC?
Beating this addiction takes everything. You have proven you donÂ’t have what it takes to do that.
Ignore the invites to “try” again.
Try... somewhere else.
I'm not inviting him to try again.
I'm telling him to try our way once.
He's never tried our way.
He's been above us. Better than us. Looked down on what we do.
I'm telling him to accept that he sucks at quitting on his own.
I'm telling him he ain't no special butterfly.
I'm telling him to pull his head out of his ass, get with the program, post a daily promise, and stay quit for once.
5 pages of being told how KTC works.
Since December 2017.
No more ball coddling.
WeÂ’re done here.
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I am not still quit, I am a slave again.
If a slave, it is by choice.
If a freeman, it is by choice.
Choose freedom. Choose life.
LetÂ’s go you know what to do. We will support you
Rheleaf.
You bucked the system here.
You did it your way.
Your way has never worked for you.
Our system works.
Just let go, and use our system.
No.
Our system is NOT a “try, and try again” method.
You... are weak and you taint these halls. Once and done. Own it. Embody integrity and strength.
YouÂ’re lacking.
Go away and “try” somewhere else.
rheleaf, you still have contacts. I told you you could call or text if there was ever a need. Calling an almost complete stranger may be tough but I promise it's a Better answer than putting that shit in your mouth again. You told me you would not delete any numbers so I assume you still have my number.
USE the contacts you have.
Do not USE nicotine.
Get into November 18 and post up
there is room in there for you,
but you have to do the work.
All we can do is support your quit
You came back to post this...
You know you want to do this
Sack the fuck up
And quit
Like AJ said, do not try, just quit
IÂ’ll repeat...
No. No more trying.
Rheleaf... go try somewhere else that accepts pats on the ass for feeble attempts and weak mindsets.
KTC is not for you.
How much more will we pander to weakness and let it taint KTC?
Beating this addiction takes everything. You have proven you donÂ’t have what it takes to do that.
Ignore the invites to “try” again.
Try... somewhere else.
I'm not inviting him to try again.
I'm telling him to try our way once.
He's never tried our way.
He's been above us. Better than us. Looked down on what we do.
I'm telling him to accept that he sucks at quitting on his own.
I'm telling him he ain't no special butterfly.
I'm telling him to pull his head out of his ass, get with the program, post a daily promise, and stay quit for once.
5 pages of being told how KTC works.
Since December 2017.
No more ball coddling.
WeÂ’re done here.
Honestly.
Moot point.
He obviously doesn't have what it takes to quit.....
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Getting close to un chartered quit waters.....never been past 7 months in 30 years....222 qlf
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I see you keep coming back to look around.
Your quit day is wrong, might I suggest you change that and your current status.
Something like this:
Quit Date: ??/??/????
Current Status: Pussy Ass Bitch Caver
Have a great day you dishonorable Puke 'Finger'
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DAY 237
Officially now into unchartered quit waters. Never been quit this long, never felt this strong in my quit. KTC works people, I continue to feel gratitude and honor towards a complete set of strangers who help save my life one day at a time. Thanks KTC