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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Reeseb on May 03, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
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Hi guys. I am 53 years old and started chewing 33 years ago. I was in a dorm in college and was offered a dip of Skoal. I was almost immediately hooked. A year later, I changed colleges and went to the University of Arkansas. Chew was really popular there and I was a can a day user. After college, I moved back to Seattle and started chewing Copenhagen. I was a computer programer and I'd have a garbage can right beside me at work that I would spit in. No one there cared that I chewed almost constantly at work. I always hid my habit from the girls I dated. Same for the one I married almost 24 years ago. About 10 years ago, I switched to Skoal Bandits because I became a VP at work and needed to be more discrete. This worked really well for me. About the same time, I started to worry even more about getting mouth cancer so I worked really hard to reduce my amount of tobacco use. I got down to just 5 Skoal Bandits per day and remained steady with that amount for about 10 years up until I finally quit on March 5th of this year.
So it's been 60 days and I still crave the stuff! The cravings come on hard around the times that I normally put in a chew. It's been tough, but I think I'll make it.
Caveat: Over the 33 years discussed above, there were many times when I'd chew much more or buy a pack of cigarettes. These were when I took a fishing trip or went camping or when my wife was out of town. Any time I was away from my wife, I'd be a heavy user. Really, the only thing that kept me from chewing a can a day of Copenhagen was the fact that I was hiding it from my wife. One day in 2010 my wife got into the drivers side of my car and she noticed that the floor mat was raised up. She looked under it and saw a can of Skoal Bandits. After she confronted me, I confessed that I had been lying to her for over 20 years. She has forgiven me, but it was a really rough time and the damage is permanent. She will never fully trust me again.
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Hi guys. I am 53 years old and started chewing 33 years ago. I was in a dorm in college and was offered a dip of Skoal. I was almost immediately hooked. A year later, I changed colleges and went to the University of Arkansas. Chew was really popular there and I was a can a day user. After college, I moved back to Seattle and started chewing Copenhagen. I was a computer programer and I'd have a garbage can right beside me at work that I would spit in. No one there cared that I chewed almost constantly at work. I always hid my habit from the girls I dated. Same for the one I married almost 24 years ago. About 10 years ago, I switched to Skoal Bandits because I became a VP at work and needed to be more discrete. This worked really well for me. About the same time, I started to worry even more about getting mouth cancer so I worked really hard to reduce my amount of tobacco use. I got down to just 5 Skoal Bandits per day and remained steady with that amount for about 10 years up until I finally quit on March 5th of this year.
So it's been 60 days and I still crave the stuff! The cravings come on hard around the times that I normally put in a chew. It's been tough, but I think I'll make it.
Caveat: Over the 33 years discussed above, there were many times when I'd chew much more or buy a pack of cigarettes. These were when I took a fishing trip or went camping or when my wife was out of town. Any time I was away from my wife, I'd be a heavy user. Really, the only thing that kept me from chewing a can a day of Copenhagen was the fact that I was hiding it from my wife. One day in 2010 my wife got into the drivers side of my car and she noticed that the floor mat was raised up. She looked under it and saw a can of Skoal Bandits. After she confronted me, I confessed that I had been lying to her for 33 years. She has forgiven me, but it was a really rough time and the damage is permanent. She will never fully trust me again.
Welcome Reeseb. You'll come to realize you've made a great decision in quitting and joining this site. A lot of people on here can relate to your story.
There is a ton of useful information on this site to take advantage of. Use it all.
Again, welcome to freedom from who we refer to as "the nic bitch"!
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Welcome to the funny farm.
The hardest part is out of the way. 60 days is badass.
Now it is just the occasional mind game.
You can do this!!!
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Welcome Reese! Your story is so close to mine that I thought I wrote it. I also started chewing 33 years ago (also 53 years old), tried cutting down using Skoal Bandits and later pouches. Of course it never worked until I made the decision on 2/17/14 to be quit. I've been quit 76 days now. As you stated, the craves can still be strong at times, but I refuse to be a slave to the can ever again. Start posting roll and quit on! I'll quit with you anytime.
mb289
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but i think I'll make it
Question? Is there some magical day that you will consider "make it". I offer an easier solution then the one you might be thinking. How about day 60. To be honest, you made it 60 days ago. Your there my friend. There is no magic make it day, only today.
Quit with you on this fine made it day.
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but i think I'll make it
Question? Is there some magical day that you will consider "make it". I offer an easier solution then the one you might be thinking. How about day 60. To be honest, you made it 60 days ago. Your there my friend. There is no magic make it day, only today.
Quit with you on this fine made it day.
Listen up, what srans said is right, at 763 days I still have an occasional crave but it's easier to deal with than it was at 200 days.
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but i think I'll make it
Question? Is there some magical day that you will consider "make it". I offer an easier solution then the one you might be thinking. How about day 60. To be honest, you made it 60 days ago. Your there my friend. There is no magic make it day, only today.
Quit with you on this fine made it day.
Listen up, what srans said is right, at 763 days I still have an occasional crave but it's easier to deal with than it was at 200 days.
God's honest TRUTH ^^^^^^ right there brothers and sisters!
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Thanks, guys. I really appreciate the support. And yes I've already made it, haven't I?
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In my opinion you are never really safe from the potential of using nic again .....
I used from about 1980 to 1996 and quit til 2004 and then starting using chew again til feb 2014 ..... Very heavy usage the past two years ..... Kodiack in at all times except work where I used rich blend pouches ....... Still have the craves but using some fake stuff which helps .... Grinds or Hooch .
One day at a time...
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In my opinion you are never really safe from the potential of using nic again .....
I used from about 1980 to 1996 and quit til 2004 and then starting using chew again til feb 2014 ..... Very heavy usage the past two years ..... Kodiack in at all times except work where I used rich blend pouches ....... Still have the craves but using some fake stuff which helps .... Grinds or Hooch .
One day at a time...
I'm safe today. I gave my word and I aim to keep it. Quit on my friends!
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In my opinion you are never really safe from the potential of using nic again .....
I used from about 1980 to 1996 and quit til 2004 and then starting using chew again til feb 2014 ..... Very heavy usage the past two years ..... Kodiack in at all times except work where I used rich blend pouches ....... Still have the craves but using some fake stuff which helps .... Grinds or Hooch .
One day at a time...
I'm safe today. I gave my word and I aim to keep it. Quit on my friends!
^^^you got that right, Srans. No way I do nic today. Already promised thousands of other quitters that I wouldn't.
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Reese, I quit with you today. In a weird way I'm glad it was chew your wife found rather than a used Coney Island Whitefish, just sayin'.............
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Reese, I quit with you today. In a weird way I'm glad it was chew your wife found rather than a used Coney Island Whitefish, just sayin'.............
No worries ever about that!
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In my opinion you are never really safe from the potential of using nic again .....
I used from about 1980 to 1996 and quit til 2004 and then starting using chew again til feb 2014 ..... Very heavy usage the past two years ..... Kodiack in at all times except work where I used rich blend pouches ....... Still have the craves but using some fake stuff which helps .... Grinds or Hooch .
One day at a time...
I'm safe today. I gave my word and I aim to keep it. Quit on my friends!
^^^you got that right, Srans. No way I do nic today. Already promised thousands of other quitters that I wouldn't.
Welcome Reese! 36+ year chewer here.
You have the support of some of the most bad ass quitters known. Use them. Reach out if you feel weak.
Srans point is that we can only control right now. That's all you should focus on.
Remember that the craves will pass whether you use nic or not.
BTW I live an hour north of Fayetteville.
Quit with you today!
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Welcome to KTC and congrats on 62 days of freedom!
Accountability is key and that's why we post roll. Build up your network of friends at KTC and stay involved in their quits. The power of the brotherhood can't be overstated. Accountability + Brotherhood = success.
Quit with you today.
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Just wanted to say that, although I just joined the forum and don't know any of you, I think about you all many times a day. When the cravings hit hard I think about all the quitters here and that if I cave, it affects the whole bunch - not just me.
I know that some of you are watching me and I am watching you, too.
Well I'm not caving and I hope that none of you do, either! We can do this and when we are more resolved in our quit, we can continue to help the new quitters stay quit.
It's never ending just like the fact that we are addicts is never ending.
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Just wanted to say that, although I just joined the forum and don't know any of you, I think about you all many times a day. When the cravings hit hard I think about all the quitters here and that if I cave, it affects the whole bunch - not just me.
I know that some of you are watching me and I am watching you, too.
Well I'm not caving and I hope that none of you do, either! We can do this and when we are more resolved in our quit, we can continue to help the new quitters stay quit.
It's never ending just like the fact that we are addicts is never ending.
I'm right there with you, Reese. Never again, no matter what. That little promise every morning has put money in my pocket... a shit load. It's allowed my gums and front lip to heal while the constant acid reflux is completely gone. Man, once you envision freedom, there's no turning back. Congrats! Reach out if you need a number or two.
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Just wanted to say that, although I just joined the forum and don't know any of you, I think about you all many times a day. When the cravings hit hard I think about all the quitters here and that if I cave, it affects the whole bunch - not just me.
I know that some of you are watching me and I am watching you, too.
Well I'm not caving and I hope that none of you do, either! We can do this and when we are more resolved in our quit, we can continue to help the new quitters stay quit.
It's never ending just like the fact that we are addicts is never ending.
I'm right there with you, Reese. Never again, no matter what. That little promise every morning has put money in my pocket... a shit load. It's allowed my gums and front lip to heal while the constant acid reflux is completely gone. Man, once you envision freedom, there's no turning back. Congrats! Reach out if you need a number or two.
Reese - stick close to this site and let the information stay in your head all day. Build a web of accountability and think of those guys every time you have a craving.....it makes it better
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Just wanted to say that, although I just joined the forum and don't know any of you, I think about you all many times a day. When the cravings hit hard I think about all the quitters here and that if I cave, it affects the whole bunch - not just me.
I know that some of you are watching me and I am watching you, too.
Well I'm not caving and I hope that none of you do, either! We can do this and when we are more resolved in our quit, we can continue to help the new quitters stay quit.
It's never ending just like the fact that we are addicts is never ending.
I'm right there with you, Reese. Never again, no matter what. That little promise every morning has put money in my pocket... a shit load. It's allowed my gums and front lip to heal while the constant acid reflux is completely gone. Man, once you envision freedom, there's no turning back. Congrats! Reach out if you need a number or two.
Reese - stick close to this site and let the information stay in your head all day. Build a web of accountability and think of those guys every time you have a craving.....it makes it better
Reeseb you are in the right place to quit. But I must say you are little wrong in your statement. You may not see it now, but yes you know us and we know you. We all have that addicted part that brings us to be so much like one another it is confounding.
So here is the promise as you go forward in this journey. Follow what we have here at KTC. Give your promise each and every day, AND start to get to know a few of the persons in your group and on this site (expand it to past the addict part of the person). If you do that your quit will be successful.
since this is the equation: Accountability + Brotherhood = Success.
yell if you need anything. You Can Do This.
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It's allowed my gums and front lip to heal while the constant acid reflux is completely gone. Man, once you envision freedom, there's no turning back. Congrats! Reach out if you need a number or two.
Case in point, I haven't thought of acid reflux in a month or so............because I have been quit for 33 days. Just another reason your quit and my quit and everyone's quit are so important, there is shit being fixed w/o even thinking about because all of that poison is staying on the shelves instead of in your mouth. Just another reason to say NAFAR, and I quit with you today.
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Well here I am at day 64 and I am still craving this crap. I still crave a big juicy dip of Grizzly. It's still physical. Some say it should be only mental now, but I can feel it in my tongue. It's tingling and aching where it touched the chew. Nicotine is a horrible addiction. I'll be glad when/if the carvings end.
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Well here I am at day 64 and I am still craving this crap. I still crave a big juicy dip of Grizzly. It's still physical. Some say it should be only mental now, but I can feel it in my tongue. It's tingling and aching where it touched the chew. Nicotine is a horrible addiction. I'll be glad when/if the carvings end.
Keep reading everything here on KTC and make sure you have some phone numbers. You need to text and talk with quit buddies. Shoot me a PM if you need a phone number.
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I was at Walmart today and as I was walking I looked up and saw Nicorette gum and for the tiniest second thought about it. I've never used the stuff and never will. That's not a real quit.
I went into the liquor department to buy some wine and when I was checking out, saw that Grizzly was only $5.50 a can. I wasn't tempted at all, but remembered I used to pay about $8.00 a can.
Was at the gas station later buying a candy bar for my wife and a customer had left a can of Grizzly on the counter along with some other stuff he was buying. He had gone back to pick something else up. The cashier set his stuff aside and helped me. All the while I was hoping that the guy would come back before it was time for me to leave. I was going to tell him to check out killthecan.org. He didn't make it back in time, so I left. Maybe next time.
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I was at Walmart today and as I was walking I looked up and saw Nicorette gum and for the tiniest second thought about it. I've never used the stuff and never will. That's not a real quit.
I went into the liquor department to buy some wine and when I was checking out, saw that Grizzly was only $5.50 a can. I wasn't tempted at all, but remembered I used to pay about $8.00 a can.
Was at the gas station later buying a candy bar for my wife and a customer had left a can of Grizzly on the counter along with some other stuff he was buying. He had gone back to pick something else up. The cashier set his stuff aside and helped me. All the while I was hoping that the guy would come back before it was time for me to leave. I was going to tell him to check out killthecan.org. He didn't make it back in time, so I left. Maybe next time.
Way to stay strong! I just read your intro - I never realized how many ninja dippers there are. How proud can we be of an action that we have to hide from so many people.
QLF
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I was at Walmart today and as I was walking I looked up and saw Nicorette gum and for the tiniest second thought about it. I've never used the stuff and never will. That's not a real quit.
I went into the liquor department to buy some wine and when I was checking out, saw that Grizzly was only $5.50 a can. I wasn't tempted at all, but remembered I used to pay about $8.00 a can.
Was at the gas station later buying a candy bar for my wife and a customer had left a can of Grizzly on the counter along with some other stuff he was buying. He had gone back to pick something else up. The cashier set his stuff aside and helped me. All the while I was hoping that the guy would come back before it was time for me to leave. I was going to tell him to check out killthecan.org. He didn't make it back in time, so I left. Maybe next time.
Way to stay strong! I just read your intro - I never realized how many ninja dippers there are. How proud can we be of an action that we have to hide from so many people.
QLF
That's a nice victory, Reese. Any time you can squash a crave or get through a trigger, that's huge. Stay strong. Quitting with you today.
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Welcome aboard Reese! I'm just south of you, south of Portland so nice to have another badass PNW quitter on board. Ping me if you need anything at all. If you haven't already done so, check out the words of wisdom page. One day at a time my friend.
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Welcome aboard Reese! I'm just south of you, south of Portland so nice to have another badass PNW quitter on board. Ping me if you need anything at all. If you haven't already done so, check out the words of wisdom page. One day at a time my friend.
I used to live in the Seattle area, but am now in the Minneapolis area.
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ReeseB,
I like the quit you have going here. I was checking our accountability spreadsheet this morning and noticed you are one of our remaining 100%ers. I hadn't had an opportunity to read your intro until now but keep up the great work. Proud to have you in the June Platoon. Please don't hesitate to message me if you need anything.
Quit On!
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ReeseB,
I like the quit you have going here. I was checking our accountability spreadsheet this morning and noticed you are one of our remaining 100%ers. I hadn't had an opportunity to read your intro until now but keep up the great work. Proud to have you in the June Platoon. Please don't hesitate to message me if you need anything.
Quit On!
100% posters are Bad Asses for sure!
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I told my wife today that I quit chewing. After 83 days into the quit she now knows. She assumed that I was just continuing to lie and hide it from her and I didn't want to bring up chewing to her because of the pain this terrible habit and my lying has caused. Anyway, this is a big step toward healing. What a screwed up habit tobacco is. It so damaging in so many ways! I hate it.
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And thanks for all the support, guys!
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And thanks for all the support, guys!
Thank YOU dude. You are an example of a bad-assed quitter for us all to follow.
Quit with you any damn day!
Wolfe
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ReeseB, proud to be quit with you today!
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I told my wife today that I quit chewing. After 83 days into the quit she now knows. She assumed that I was just continuing to lie and hide it from her and I didn't want to bring up chewing to her because of the pain this terrible habit and my lying has caused. Anyway, this is a big step toward healing. What a screwed up habit tobacco is. It so damaging in so many ways! I hate it.
Good for you Rees. I was a ninja dipper. My wife and employees didn't even know I chewed. My wife and one or two out of 10 employees had a suspicion. When I decided to quit I made sure everyone knew. It was liberating and built another layer of accountability. She is your partner in life, let her help and understand your addiction. I guarantee you, unless she is an addict too, she doesn't get it.
Keep up the good work and feed off of the hatred of the nic whore.
Trust me, share with your family and friends and your quit gets stronger.
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I told my wife today that I quit chewing. After 83 days into the quit she now knows. She assumed that I was just continuing to lie and hide it from her and I didn't want to bring up chewing to her because of the pain this terrible habit and my lying has caused. Anyway, this is a big step toward healing. What a screwed up habit tobacco is. It so damaging in so many ways! I hate it.
Good for you Rees. I was a ninja dipper. My wife and employees didn't even know I chewed. My wife and one or two out of 10 employees had a suspicion. When I decided to quit I made sure everyone knew. It was liberating and built another layer of accountability. She is your partner in life, let her help and understand your addiction. I guarantee you, unless she is an addict too, she doesn't get it.
Keep up the good work and feed off of the hatred of the nic whore.
Trust me, share with your family and friends and your quit gets stronger.
I bet that felt good to tell her that at 83 days! You are earning back your honor and integrity day by day. Nice job. Keep at it today brother! ODAAT. Proud to be quit with you!
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Great job on 100. Are you on for 200? Glad to be quit with ya. Also glad to have you watching my back as I will watch yours. Thanks for sticking around. Enjoy the day
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Great job on 100. Are you on for 200? Glad to be quit with ya. Also glad to have you watching my back as I will watch yours. Thanks for sticking around. Enjoy the day
Congrats, Reese. Well done!
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Congrats Reese. You are an inspiration.
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of oeverything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
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Look at the plugged title after my name and look up the meaning: "a woman perceived as sexually disreputable or promiscuous."
If I thought these issues could be resolved, I'd've tried to help. This site is so geared toward the degradation of women that it would be a monumental task to correct it. If the owners of the site want to fix it, then they should speak up now.
There are other places on the internet to go for nicotine dependance.
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
I've certainly never disrespected women on the site, not that I know of or that anyone has pointed out.. And we have many female quitters here also.
Its sad to see anyone leave, but don't make a declaration of something you don't like with no attempt to change it and just pick up your ball and go home. Anytime you get a bunch of guys together you are going to have "locker room talk" its just the nature of the beast, you don't have to agree with every word every person types on the site.. I know I sure dont..
I think we all sometimes need to remember "Take what you need and leave the rest"
Theres always going to be some drama, or cursing, or misogyny somewhere on this site, if you want to go look for it and be offended then i guess thats up to you.. You know what else is here? Freedom from addiction, brotherhood, friendship. You wanna pick up your ball and go home? then do it.. Or stay, pick out a new quitter and mentor them, pay it forward and keep the machine of quit going.. I bet the latter will leave you more fulfilled than the former. Someone was here to pay it forward for you.. think about it..
-Ben
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
You can also turn off avatars and smilies. No pictures or videos can be posted without being a link, so you are choosing to see those if you click.
To turn off avatars and smilies, go to Preferences board settings and uncheck the box for images and avatars. hit save. boom, no more in your face. That would include the stripper poles, boobie smilies, etc.
Bro, there are dudes here that are preachers and what not - the humor is crude, sure. but I have seen women posting things that make me blush.
Why not let us know whats really going on - you are looking to escape the accountability this site provides by giving some flimsy excuse about delicate sensibilities. Nobody here is buying it.
No one is forcing you to read the jokes, or click the links, or any of the above. You could still post roll, go to areas where the discussion typically stays away from the topics you dont like, etc.
Take what you need, leave the rest. You admitted you are an addict, so my guess is you need this place as much as anybody else posting here.
If you do choose to go solo, best of luck
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Look at the plugged title after my name and look up the meaning: "a woman perceived as sexually disreputable or promiscuous."
If I thought these issues could be resolved, I'd've tried to help. This site is so geared toward the degradation of women that it would be a monumental task to correct it. If the owners of the site want to fix it, then they should speak up now.
There are other places on the internet to go for nicotine dependance.
You can go change it if you right click your name in the top left and then under profile options type whatever you want next to "status" and it will change you from trollop to "Reeseb" or whatever you want it to say
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Look at the plugged title after my name and look up the meaning: "a woman perceived as sexually disreputable or promiscuous."
If I thought these issues could be resolved, I'd've tried to help. This site is so geared toward the degradation of women that it would be a monumental task to correct it. If the owners of the site want to fix it, then they should speak up now.
There are other places on the internet to go for nicotine dependance.
Yes there are reese. Many of them. None hold even a candle next to this bonfire we call KTC.
None. Not even close. You know KTC is even listed on the American Cancer Society's list of resources for quitting?
FWIW, The title under your avatar can also be changed under preferences. Males can be trollops, whores, mega whores, etc. Since we are referencing posting habits though I am going to say you are reaching.
Quitting is hard, and this place needs to be open to venting and free to post what you want so it is dealt with by other addicts, not lashing out at loved ones or doing something stupid. You knew that when you signed up.
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Look at the plugged title after my name and look up the meaning: "a woman perceived as sexually disreputable or promiscuous."
If I thought these issues could be resolved, I'd've tried to help. This site is so geared toward the degradation of women that it would be a monumental task to correct it. If the owners of the site want to fix it, then they should speak up now.
There are other places on the internet to go for nicotine dependance.
Yes there are reese. Many of them. None hold even a candle next to this bonfire we call KTC.
None. Not even close. You know KTC is even listed on the American Cancer Society's list of resources for quitting?
FWIW, The title under your avatar can also be changed under preferences. Males can be trollops, whores, mega whores, etc. Since we are referencing posting habits though I am going to say you are reaching.
Quitting is hard, and this place needs to be open to venting and free to post what you want so it is dealt with by other addicts, not lashing out at loved ones or doing something stupid. You knew that when you signed up.
Early quit is a poor time to make decisions like this. Your brain is irrational as hell!
Get the sand out of your vas deferens (note the bash on dudes) and keep on quitting.
C'mon, thats funny right there
really. Stay. You won't find support any better anywhere else.
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
I've certainly never disrespected women on the site, not that I know of or that anyone has pointed out.. And we have many female quitters here also.
Its sad to see anyone leave, but don't make a declaration of something you don't like with no attempt to change it and just pick up your ball and go home. Anytime you get a bunch of guys together you are going to have "locker room talk" its just the nature of the beast, you don't have to agree with every word every person types on the site.. I know I sure dont..
I think we all sometimes need to remember "Take what you need and leave the rest"
Theres always going to be some drama, or cursing, or misogyny somewhere on this site, if you want to go look for it and be offended then i guess thats up to you.. You know what else is here? Freedom from addiction, brotherhood, friendship. You wanna pick up your ball and go home? then do it.. Or stay, pick out a new quitter and mentor them, pay it forward and keep the machine of quit going.. I bet the latter will leave you more fulfilled than the former. Someone was here to pay it forward for you.. think about it..
-Ben
As a female quitter of 141 days today, KTC has been nothing but respect.
There are some glitches like the stripper poles on Junes roll call, and yes some profanity talk but that is NOT i repeat NOT a reason to leave KTC. Everyone here is supportive, and honestly i don't know where i would be with me quit if it wasn't for everyone here.
People need to learn to speak there mind instead of just giving up and leaving....own your quit every damn day , Respect your quit, and NEVER leave KTC no matter what your lame excuse is..
-Slarowe- badass female quitter
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
I've certainly never disrespected women on the site, not that I know of or that anyone has pointed out.. And we have many female quitters here also.
Its sad to see anyone leave, but don't make a declaration of something you don't like with no attempt to change it and just pick up your ball and go home. Anytime you get a bunch of guys together you are going to have "locker room talk" its just the nature of the beast, you don't have to agree with every word every person types on the site.. I know I sure dont..
I think we all sometimes need to remember "Take what you need and leave the rest"
Theres always going to be some drama, or cursing, or misogyny somewhere on this site, if you want to go look for it and be offended then i guess thats up to you.. You know what else is here? Freedom from addiction, brotherhood, friendship. You wanna pick up your ball and go home? then do it.. Or stay, pick out a new quitter and mentor them, pay it forward and keep the machine of quit going.. I bet the latter will leave you more fulfilled than the former. Someone was here to pay it forward for you.. think about it..
-Ben
As a female quitter of 141 days today, KTC has been nothing but respect.
There are some glitches like the stripper poles on Junes roll call, and yes some profanity talk but that is NOT i repeat NOT a reason to leave KTC. Everyone here is supportive, and honestly i don't know where i would be with me quit if it wasn't for everyone here.
People need to learn to speak there mind instead of just giving up and leaving....own your quit every damn day , Respect your quit, and NEVER leave KTC no matter what your lame excuse is..
-Slarowe- badass female quitter
Normally I'd say that gave me a chub but.......
what the hell, that gave me a chub
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Hey guys. I debated doing this, but decided I should make it known why I am leaving KTC. You guys have been very supportive and this is a great pace to quit, but I just couldn't take the pervasive profanity and disrespect for women. You guys act like a bunch of 13 year old boys when it comes to language and respect for others. This a huge problem with this site. I hope that some of you can see this. There is nudity, crud jokes and profanity everywhere here.
I am not a self righteous guy and I have been guilty of of everything that I've seen on this site, but this is everywhere and it just isn't healthy for me to see it every time I log on. I am trying to live a life that shows respect for women. They are all someone's daughter or sister or mother or wife.
I hope that you guys keep up the good work here and consider changing your policies and making this a place where women are respected and honored as they should be.
Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Good luck with your planned cave.
You have an issue with something? then speak up and try to change it. take a stand for what you believe in and talk to people collectively about resolving the issue. Maybe something along these lines:
Reese: June members, I have 3 daughters and I respect women. Can we remove the stripper poles from June roll???
June Members: Reese, I think that is a good idea bud. We will remove them.
See, its very simple. The way you are approaching the situation is just a planned cave.....
I, for one, am getting tired of people complaining about things on here without resolution or ideas for change. You don't like something that one of the 20,000 members does on a site that allows freedom??? then try to fix it and stop whining about it.
I've certainly never disrespected women on the site, not that I know of or that anyone has pointed out.. And we have many female quitters here also.
Its sad to see anyone leave, but don't make a declaration of something you don't like with no attempt to change it and just pick up your ball and go home. Anytime you get a bunch of guys together you are going to have "locker room talk" its just the nature of the beast, you don't have to agree with every word every person types on the site.. I know I sure dont..
I think we all sometimes need to remember "Take what you need and leave the rest"
Theres always going to be some drama, or cursing, or misogyny somewhere on this site, if you want to go look for it and be offended then i guess thats up to you.. You know what else is here? Freedom from addiction, brotherhood, friendship. You wanna pick up your ball and go home? then do it.. Or stay, pick out a new quitter and mentor them, pay it forward and keep the machine of quit going.. I bet the latter will leave you more fulfilled than the former. Someone was here to pay it forward for you.. think about it..
-Ben
As a female quitter of 141 days today, KTC has been nothing but respect.
There are some glitches like the stripper poles on Junes roll call, and yes some profanity talk but that is NOT i repeat NOT a reason to leave KTC. Everyone here is supportive, and honestly i don't know where i would be with me quit if it wasn't for everyone here.
People need to learn to speak there mind instead of just giving up and leaving....own your quit every damn day , Respect your quit, and NEVER leave KTC no matter what your lame excuse is..
-Slarowe- badass female quitter
Normally I'd say that gave me a chub but.......
what the hell, that gave me a chub
well even I am at a loss at this one.
Those who know I have stood up before, but brother I think you may be misinterpreting some of the things.
Some use some to blow off steam, to get the rage out, to distract from cravings.
But there are definitely ways you can alter that with your settings. So I would suggest do that, stick around for a few days as I have found out that your roll although it may be your promise to help you, it may in fact be looked on by others in helping them too.
But step at a time to help fix it.....just like one day at a time.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
Buddy, grow a set.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
Reesub,
Change your avatar settings so you dont have to look at what offends you.
Second, take what you need and leave the rest. Your here for you.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
Reesub,
Change your avatar settings so you dont have to look at what offends you.
Second, take what you need and leave the rest. Your here for you.
Or continue to plan your cave and find a bunch of trivial things to blame for it.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
This veiled threat pisses me off actually..
You came here and you are you are 129 days quit.. good for you, thats what this place is for.. However in 129 days you have accumulated how many posts? 83.. How many just in your group made it to hall of fame? at least 35 that still post..
And what if you did manage to get the link removed and just one person didn't hear about KTC because you disagree with some members posts.. And they didn't quit when they could have? That's what you are angling for here? You "got yours" so forget everyone who comes after you right?
How many new peoples quits have you helped cultivate? How have you been paying it forward Reese? By giving veiled threats to remove a link (which they wont remove anyway, you think you are the first person who has been offended? You think they just added the link and never read the site?) but the fact that you think you have that right really irks the fuck out of me..
How dare you...
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
Reesub,
Change your avatar settings so you dont have to look at what offends you.
Second, take what you need and leave the rest. Your here for you.
Then why are you still here? To talk negatively upon the site and how "they would
Never associate themselves with a site like this"? Get the hell out of here dude. Just remember WE are trying to help YOU. You have averaged a post per day. I don't see you helping too many others....
By the way, if the ACS wouldn't like to be associated with a bunch of dedicated, selfless, and honest bad ass soldiers against nicotine, then they can get the fuck out of here too....FTFT....out
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
Reesub,
Change your avatar settings so you dont have to look at what offends you.
Second, take what you need and leave the rest. Your here for you.
Then why are you still here? To talk negatively upon the site and how "they would
Never associate themselves with a site like this"? Get the hell out of here dude. Just remember WE are trying to help YOU. You have averaged a post per day. I don't see you helping too many others....
By the way, if the ACS wouldn't like to be associated with a bunch of dedicated, selfless, and honest bad ass soldiers against nicotine, then they can get the fuck out of here too....FTFT....out
Welcome again Reese to the best place to get quit and "be quit".
Quitting is real simple, yet probably the hardest thing we will ever do.
There is a lot to learn about our addiction. This knowledge gives us tools to be quit ODAAT.
Nic is a poison. Poison to the brain. It messes with our capcity to think properly.
Take my advice and relax...soak in the good...focus on your quit...take what you need, help others when you are able...this site really works just the way it is. 40,000 quitters are not wrong.
post roll (when your feet hit the floor)
keep your word (your word is good, right)
wake and repeat.
Never give up, never surrender. Quitting is hard, cancer in the jaw is hard...I prefer quitting.
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'boob'
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
This veiled threat pisses me off actually..
You came here and you are you are 129 days quit.. good for you, thats what this place is for.. However in 129 days you have accumulated how many posts? 83.. How many just in your group made it to hall of fame? at least 35 that still post..
And what if you did manage to get the link removed and just one person didn't hear about KTC because you disagree with some members posts.. And they didn't quit when they could have? That's what you are angling for here? You "got yours" so forget everyone who comes after you right?
How many new peoples quits have you helped cultivate? How have you been paying it forward Reese? By giving veiled threats to remove a link (which they wont remove anyway, you think you are the first person who has been offended? You think they just added the link and never read the site?) but the fact that you think you have that right really irks the fuck out of me..
How dare you...
Sorry man. I certainly wasn't threatening anything. Just being real.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
This veiled threat pisses me off actually..
You came here and you are you are 129 days quit.. good for you, thats what this place is for.. However in 129 days you have accumulated how many posts? 83.. How many just in your group made it to hall of fame? at least 35 that still post..
And what if you did manage to get the link removed and just one person didn't hear about KTC because you disagree with some members posts.. And they didn't quit when they could have? That's what you are angling for here? You "got yours" so forget everyone who comes after you right?
How many new peoples quits have you helped cultivate? How have you been paying it forward Reese? By giving veiled threats to remove a link (which they wont remove anyway, you think you are the first person who has been offended? You think they just added the link and never read the site?) but the fact that you think you have that right really irks the fuck out of me..
How dare you...
Sorry man. I certainly wasn't threatening anything. Just being real.
No, real is the simple fact that the folks here are trying to help you, and have helped you, stay quit.
Day 129? That is real. But it can vanish in an instant. One bad decision. You know it. While you dont post much, clearly you have read around and seen the cavers come and go.
Can you tell me what the common theme is from them?
Honestly - whats your angle? why after 129 days are you now saying it offends you?
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
This veiled threat pisses me off actually..
You came here and you are you are 129 days quit.. good for you, thats what this place is for.. However in 129 days you have accumulated how many posts? 83.. How many just in your group made it to hall of fame? at least 35 that still post..
And what if you did manage to get the link removed and just one person didn't hear about KTC because you disagree with some members posts.. And they didn't quit when they could have? That's what you are angling for here? You "got yours" so forget everyone who comes after you right?
How many new peoples quits have you helped cultivate? How have you been paying it forward Reese? By giving veiled threats to remove a link (which they wont remove anyway, you think you are the first person who has been offended? You think they just added the link and never read the site?) but the fact that you think you have that right really irks the fuck out of me..
How dare you...
Sorry man. I certainly wasn't threatening anything. Just being real.
No, real is the simple fact that the folks here are trying to help you, and have helped you, stay quit.
Day 129? That is real. But it can vanish in an instant. One bad decision. You know it. While you dont post much, clearly you have read around and seen the cavers come and go.
Can you tell me what the common theme is from them?
Honestly - whats your angle? why after 129 days are you now saying it offends you?
It's bugged me from day one. That's why I haven't been active here. i know that there are a lot people who care about helping others quit and this is probably the best site there is for education and support and a no excuses real quit. i just think this site needs an enema.
I think many more people could be reached if women were not degraded so badly here. Standards need to be made. What goes on here is okay for those who stay, but I think to most of the world it's wrong and it's certainly not necessary.
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You guys have made some good points. I'm glad to have at least gotten you to think more about this site. Regarding the mention from tbe American Cancer Society, one call to them would get that dropped. I would never do that. I'm just sayin'. No reputable organization is going to knowingly associate itself with a site such as this because of the reasons mentioned. It makes them look bad.
This veiled threat pisses me off actually..
You came here and you are you are 129 days quit.. good for you, thats what this place is for.. However in 129 days you have accumulated how many posts? 83.. How many just in your group made it to hall of fame? at least 35 that still post..
And what if you did manage to get the link removed and just one person didn't hear about KTC because you disagree with some members posts.. And they didn't quit when they could have? That's what you are angling for here? You "got yours" so forget everyone who comes after you right?
How many new peoples quits have you helped cultivate? How have you been paying it forward Reese? By giving veiled threats to remove a link (which they wont remove anyway, you think you are the first person who has been offended? You think they just added the link and never read the site?) but the fact that you think you have that right really irks the fuck out of me..
How dare you...
Sorry man. I certainly wasn't threatening anything. Just being real.
No, real is the simple fact that the folks here are trying to help you, and have helped you, stay quit.
Day 129? That is real. But it can vanish in an instant. One bad decision. You know it. While you dont post much, clearly you have read around and seen the cavers come and go.
Can you tell me what the common theme is from them?
Honestly - whats your angle? why after 129 days are you now saying it offends you?
It's bugged me from day one. That's why I haven't been active here. i know that there are a lot people who care about helping others quit and this is probably the best site there is for education and support and a no excuses real quit. i just think this site needs an enema.
I think many more people could be reached if women were not degraded so badly here. Standards need to be made. What goes on here is okay for those who stay, but I think to most of the world it's wrong and it's certainly not necessary.
Examples please.
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I joined this forum late in my quit at 60 days. As a result, I didn't get the chance to get to know many of the quitters or the people who keep this great site running. So first off I'd like to congratulate all you guys who have decided to quit this awful addiction to nicotine. Secondly, I'd like to thank all the people who work so hard to keep this site going. You are doing a fantastic job!
This site has taught me one important thing. Something that I needed to learn and something that will keep me quit for the rest of my life. This site taught me that I AM AN ADDICT. I wasn't just a guy who liked to chew spit tobacco and wanted to quit and did it. I was and still am addicted to nicotine. I always will be addicted to nicotine because I allowed myself to get addicted over 30 years ago. I can't dabble in this stuff and use it every once in a while because I am just like the alcoholic who can't allow himself just one drink and I am just like the meth head who can't ever use again. I am a drug addict. We all are here on this forum.
Stay quit guys. Your life really does depend on it. You can no longer use nicotine in any form because you are an ADDICT and WILL go back to using every day if you do.
Sucks, but true.
Reeseb
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I joined this forum late in my quit at 60 days. As a result, I didn't get the chance to get to know many of the quitters or the people who keep this great site running. So first off I'd like to congratulate all you guys who have decided to quit this awful addiction to nicotine. Secondly, I'd like to thank all the people who work so hard to keep this site going. You are doing a fantastic job!
This site has taught me one important thing. Something that I needed to learn and something that will keep me quit for the rest of my life. This site taught me that I AM AN ADDICT. I wasn't just a guy who liked to chew spit tobacco and wanted to quit and did it. I was and still am addicted to nicotine. I always will be addicted to nicotine because I allowed myself to get addicted over 30 years ago. I can't dabble in this stuff and use it every once in a while because I am just like the alcoholic who can't allow himself just one drink and I am just like the meth head who can't ever use again. I am a drug addict. We all are here on this forum.
Stay quit guys. Your life really does depend on it. You can no longer use nicotine in any form because you are an ADDICT and WILL go back to using every day if you do.
Sucks, but true.
Reeseb
Huh.
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I joined this forum late in my quit at 60 days. As a result, I didn't get the chance to get to know many of the quitters or the people who keep this great site running. So first off I'd like to congratulate all you guys who have decided to quit this awful addiction to nicotine. Secondly, I'd like to thank all the people who work so hard to keep this site going. You are doing a fantastic job!
This site has taught me one important thing. Something that I needed to learn and something that will keep me quit for the rest of my life. This site taught me that I AM AN ADDICT. I wasn't just a guy who liked to chew spit tobacco and wanted to quit and did it. I was and still am addicted to nicotine. I always will be addicted to nicotine because I allowed myself to get addicted over 30 years ago. I can't dabble in this stuff and use it every once in a while because I am just like the alcoholic who can't allow himself just one drink and I am just like the meth head who can't ever use again. I am a drug addict. We all are here on this forum.
Stay quit guys. Your life really does depend on it. You can no longer use nicotine in any form because you are an ADDICT and WILL go back to using every day if you do.
Sucks, but true.
Reeseb
Huh.
Just go away.
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ReeseB - This thread gives me an opportunity make a point. So thanks for your post. I hope you stay around and you learn and grow.
You came in late and didn't say anything because you were so offended. You didn't get involved because of the avatars etc.
Your attitude and approach is pure selfishness, self-riteous and cowardly. It's all the characteristics of an addict, and after all these days, you have't grown as a man. You may not be using nic, but you are white-knuckling it, worried about the outside appearances instead of working this through from the inside out.
Let me ask you - Do you think you are the only guy with daughters on here? The only married guy? The only one with sisters or a mom or grandma? Did you pause to even consider this, or did you just immediately go to your overall condemnation of everyone. I'm super glad you feel so good about being able to be the one to pick up the first rock and throw it.
Did you spend any time on chat? Did you spend anytime texting someone? Did you make phone calls to encourage someone or check in on them? Do you know any one of the many women on this site and did you talk to them about it? Did you even once PM me and reason with me when I'm posting my comments or pictures? How many people have you actively reached out to help quit in the days since you've been on here? How many posts have you placed that shared what you were going through so others could feel like they weren't alone.
You choose to focus on one part of this thing and you missed the entire point of it. Brotherhood. You seem to be all about the accountability aspect of it, but you have no clue on the brotherhood portion.
I have at least 50 quitters phone numbers in my phone. Some are vets with a 1000 + days, some are just finishing their first week. I've got the phone numbers of 3 women quitters, that I have talked to, texted with and posted support for. Do you know the one woman in our group? Did you know we had a woman in our group? Do you know her real name? I know all of that. I've taken the time to get to know her. I've talked to her when she was having really hard times. And you know what, it's with that confidence that I know that if I ever post something that really makes her feel like shit, she'd call me, text me or just delete whatever the hell I posted. That's called relationship, friendship, brotherhood. It's a key component of staying quit as life gives us what life gives us, and the truly sad thing is that you've completely missed that message. Do you know we've got dudes that were on the verge of tears this week going through hard times. You wouldn't know that, but I do because they called to talk to me about it. Did you post anything last week when THansen posted the stuff with his mom and cancer? Where was your support for women then? Where was your great example to your daughters? You can't support a guy that cusses or says talks about BJ's who's mom is battling cancer? What's the message you are sending Reese?
In terms of your threat - your comments absolutely confirm that you don't know and furthermore have not even taken the time to research addiction recovery in any meaningful way. Have you ever been to an AA meeting? Alanon? Any kind of group therapy or addiction recovery meeting? Do you know what the rules for those places are? Do you know the kinds of things that get said there? You're statements are completely ignorant!!!!
Do you know why this kind of talk is tolerated at all? It's because it's honest. And the number one thing addiction recovery groups have to battle with is getting people to be honest with themselves and with others. That starts with a completely open and safe environment to say whatever the hell is on their mind or heart. Honesty starts there. As addicts we have to learn how to cope with all these awful feelings and things that go on in the world. Getting an addict to speak honestly is one of the hardest things to do, because especially in this culture, we're so busy projecting a good image. Image management and addiction recovery are two polar opposites. Look it up.
I am one of the worst offenders of your complaint Reece, but that's not why I'm writing to you. I'm writing this because I want you to experience what freedom truly is. How it will feel for you when you know you can be you with the knowledge that you've got a whole bunch of awesome people watching over you. I know for a fact, that if I get out of line or I'm missing the boat, that it'll get addressed and addressed quickly. Get involved Reece. You obviously care. Why not take a leadership role and do something about it instead of throwing your hands up in the air and walking away. The comments about things being so pervasive here is myopic. Do you know you could reach out to just one quitter, some newbie or someone in our group and truly make a difference....or do you still just want to sit back and have a "what's in it for me" attitude.
Look beyond the words to the heart of the matter Reece. That's what I try to teach my daughter.
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ReeseB - This thread gives me an opportunity make a point. So thanks for your post. I hope you stay around and you learn and grow.
You came in late and didn't say anything because you were so offended. You didn't get involved because of the avatars etc.
Your attitude and approach is pure selfishness, self-riteous and cowardly. It's all the characteristics of an addict, and after all these days, you have't grown as a man. You may not be using nic, but you are white-knuckling it, worried about the outside appearances instead of working this through from the inside out.
Let me ask you - Do you think you are the only guy with daughters on here? The only married guy? The only one with sisters or a mom or grandma? Did you pause to even consider this, or did you just immediately go to your overall condemnation of everyone. I'm super glad you feel so good about being able to be the one to pick up the first rock and throw it.
Did you spend any time on chat? Did you spend anytime texting someone? Did you make phone calls to encourage someone or check in on them? Do you know any one of the many women on this site and did you talk to them about it? Did you even once PM me and reason with me when I'm posting my comments or pictures? How many people have you actively reached out to help quit in the days since you've been on here? How many posts have you placed that shared what you were going through so others could feel like they weren't alone.
You choose to focus on one part of this thing and you missed the entire point of it. Brotherhood. You seem to be all about the accountability aspect of it, but you have no clue on the brotherhood portion.
I have at least 50 quitters phone numbers in my phone. Some are vets with a 1000 + days, some are just finishing their first week. I've got the phone numbers of 3 women quitters, that I have talked to, texted with and posted support for. Do you know the one woman in our group? Did you know we had a woman in our group? Do you know her real name? I know all of that. I've taken the time to get to know her. I've talked to her when she was having really hard times. And you know what, it's with that confidence that I know that if I ever post something that really makes her feel like shit, she'd call me, text me or just delete whatever the hell I posted. That's called relationship, friendship, brotherhood. It's a key component of staying quit as life gives us what life gives us, and the truly sad thing is that you've completely missed that message. Do you know we've got dudes that were on the verge of tears this week going through hard times. You wouldn't know that, but I do because they called to talk to me about it. Did you post anything last week when THansen posted the stuff with his mom and cancer? Where was your support for women then? Where was your great example to your daughters? You can't support a guy that cusses or says talks about BJ's who's mom is battling cancer? What's the message you are sending Reese?
In terms of your threat - your comments absolutely confirm that you don't know and furthermore have not even taken the time to research addiction recovery in any meaningful way. Have you ever been to an AA meeting? Alanon? Any kind of group therapy or addiction recovery meeting? Do you know what the rules for those places are? Do you know the kinds of things that get said there? You're statements are completely ignorant!!!!
Do you know why this kind of talk is tolerated at all? It's because it's honest. And the number one thing addiction recovery groups have to battle with is getting people to be honest with themselves and with others. That starts with a completely open and safe environment to say whatever the hell is on their mind or heart. Honesty starts there. As addicts we have to learn how to cope with all these awful feelings and things that go on in the world. Getting an addict to speak honestly is one of the hardest things to do, because especially in this culture, we're so busy projecting a good image. Image management and addiction recovery are two polar opposites. Look it up.
I am one of the worst offenders of your complaint Reece, but that's not why I'm writing to you. I'm writing this because I want you to experience what freedom truly is. How it will feel for you when you know you can be you with the knowledge that you've got a whole bunch of awesome people watching over you. I know for a fact, that if I get out of line or I'm missing the boat, that it'll get addressed and addressed quickly. Get involved Reece. You obviously care. Why not take a leadership role and do something about it instead of throwing your hands up in the air and walking away. The comments about things being so pervasive here is myopic. Do you know you could reach out to just one quitter, some newbie or someone in our group and truly make a difference....or do you still just want to sit back and have a "what's in it for me" attitude.
Look beyond the words to the heart of the matter Reece. That's what I try to teach my daughter.
Thank you very much for the post, Bronc. And I hope that everyone see it. I really can't argue with you about any of it except that my 'threat' was not intentional - just speaking the truth. I am a moderator on three sites - all of which have standards supporting the respect of others and one site doesn't even allow the word 'fricken'. Pornography is not allowed on any of the sites. Maybe that's why I'm expecting too much here.
This site clearly isn't for me and I am clearly the odd man out. I'm posting roll at another site now.
Thanks again.
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You haven't posted roll in a week. You made it clear that you find KTC offensive. You also made it clear that you are leaving... Why do you keep posting up here in intros? Be fair to the quitters that are beginning their quit, move along if that is your choice.
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You haven't posted roll in a week. You made it clear that you find KTC offensive. You also made it clear that you are leaving... Why do you keep posting up here in intros? Be fair to the quitters that are beginning their quit, move along if that is your choice.
Hey man, we can lock this thread so that people can't keep commenting and potentially putting offensive things in your intro. Just say the word. Seems like that would be what you would want since you're moving on and all. Fiddlesticks, I bet you won't even be back to read this since you've already moved on. In any event, glad you found what you needed somewhere else. The mission is quit, so go wherever helps you.
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You haven't posted roll in a week. You made it clear that you find KTC offensive. You also made it clear that you are leaving... Why do you keep posting up here in intros? Be fair to the quitters that are beginning their quit, move along if that is your choice.
Hey man, we can lock this thread so that people can't keep commenting and potentially putting offensive things in your intro. Just say the word. Seems like that would be what you would want since you're moving on and all. Fiddlesticks, I bet you won't even be back to read this since you've already moved on. In any event, glad you found what you needed somewhere else. The mission is quit, so go wherever helps you.
Good idea. Please lock this thread.
This site has a great number of people who care and really want it help others quit.
Stay quit!