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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Boilerbates on April 08, 2011, 03:48:00 PM
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Hello,
My name is Eric Bates. I am 33 years old and a proud father of three kids. My wife and I have been married for 10 years this July. I have chewed tobacco since I was 16 years old.
It all started in high school, with the quick marts / gas stations that would sell chew to anyone with money. Once I hit college, it was everyday, nearly all day...no need to hide it from anyone. After graduation, I went to work in residential construction, the perfect climate for chewing tobacco.
My hobbies are baseball (coaching), golf, camping, fishing, anything outdooors, again, the perfect environment for chewing tobacco.
I've been around chewing tobacco for a long time. I've used it to keep from eating, I've used it to calm down, I've used it because others had, I've used it because I was bored, I've used it because it was there, I've used it because....well...because I could. It started with Skoal Wintergreen, the Spearment, then back to Wintergreen, then Cope - Long Cut, then Rooster, then Grizzly.
Now I have to stop. My choice. not my wife's, mom's, brothers, grandma's, dad's, but mine.
My reasons...
1. Brayden (7), Addison (3) and Carter (1). I've done well at hiding it from kids for a long time, but is it fair to them that their father sneaks around doing something that is bad for his health? When they grow up, I don't want to be a hypocrit.
2. My health. enough said. I don't want to be the guy with no jaw, what fun would that be?
3. To prove I can. If I can beat this, I can do anything.
I'm currently on day 8 (quit day of 4/1/11 - my mom's birthday). I planned this day about 25 days prior and discussed quitting with my family and my doctor. So far it's been pretty rough. Sunflower seeds hurt my mouth, I haven't had a good crap in a week (sorry if TMI), I eat everything in sight and I can't sleep...at all!
Sorry for the lengthy intro, I guess I had more on my mind than I thought. Thanks for welcoming me to your community. I know I'll be around for a long time!
-Boilerbates
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I see you posted roll. Congratulations. PM if I can do anything. Keep posting and quitting. Howl in here when necessary.
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Boiler, since you nailed roll on your first attempt, you've probably spent some time reading this site. Go to this link and it will tell you what to expect when quitting. http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) Your issues are normal.
When you have a question or just want to vent or rage, post it in here or in your July quit group and someone will usually be right along to help. Having folks going through the same thing is very helpful in that regard.
Again, welcome to the site and I'll be looking for you to post your Day 9 early tomorrow morning.
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Hello,
My name is Eric Bates. I am 33 years old and a proud father of three kids. My wife and I have been married for 10 years this July. I have chewed tobacco since I was 16 years old.
It all started in high school, with the quick marts / gas stations that would sell chew to anyone with money. Once I hit college, it was everyday, nearly all day...no need to hide it from anyone. After graduation, I went to work in residential construction, the perfect climate for chewing tobacco.
My hobbies are baseball (coaching), golf, camping, fishing, anything outdooors, again, the perfect environment for chewing tobacco.
I've been around chewing tobacco for a long time. I've used it to keep from eating, I've used it to calm down, I've used it because others had, I've used it because I was bored, I've used it because it was there, I've used it because....well...because I could. It started with Skoal Wintergreen, the Spearment, then back to Wintergreen, then Cope - Long Cut, then Rooster, then Grizzly.
Now I have to stop. My choice. not my wife's, mom's, brothers, grandma's, dad's, but mine.
My reasons...
1. Brayden (7), Addison (3) and Carter (1). I've done well at hiding it from kids for a long time, but is it fair to them that their father sneaks around doing something that is bad for his health? When they grow up, I don't want to be a hypocrit.
2. My health. enough said. I don't want to be the guy with no jaw, what fun would that be?
3. To prove I can. If I can beat this, I can do anything.
I'm currently on day 8 (quit day of 4/1/11 - my mom's birthday). I planned this day about 25 days prior and discussed quitting with my family and my doctor. So far it's been pretty rough. Sunflower seeds hurt my mouth, I haven't had a good crap in a week (sorry if TMI), I eat everything in sight and I can't sleep...at all!
Sorry for the lengthy intro, I guess I had more on my mind than I thought. Thanks for welcoming me to your community. I know I'll be around for a long time!
-Boilerbates
While it may sound selfish, reason 2 needs to be reason 1. If you don't do this for yourself first you may end up resenting your family.
If I can do anything, let me know.
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Welcome Eric,
We all have gone through what you are going through. It is an understatement to say that it is hard. I want you to know that it gets better in a hurry. It was about day 10 when I began to sleep somewhat normally. You will crave, you will have trouble concentrating, you may even get a bit depressed at times. Those times will begin to get less intense and begin to be further and further apart. You are right on the verge of some great days of triumph.
Glad to be quit with you,
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Boiler, since you nailed roll on your first attempt, you've probably spent some time reading this site. Go to this link and it will tell you what to expect when quitting. http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) Your issues are normal.Â
When you have a question or just want to vent or rage, post it in here or in your July quit group and someone will usually be right along to help. Having folks going through the same thing is very helpful in that regard.Â
Again, welcome to the site and I'll be looking for you to post your Day 9 early tomorrow morning.
FYI, I did roll call this morning, but for some reason my name isn't showing up on any of the re-posts. Didn't want to disappoint!
It's on a roll call around the 6 AM-ish timeframe.
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Hello,
My name is Eric Bates. I am 33 years old and a proud father of three kids. My wife and I have been married for 10 years this July. I have chewed tobacco since I was 16 years old.Â
It all started in high school, with the quick marts / gas stations that would sell chew to anyone with money. Once I hit college, it was everyday, nearly all day...no need to hide it from anyone. After graduation, I went to work in residential construction, the perfect climate for chewing tobacco.
My hobbies are baseball (coaching), golf, camping, fishing, anything outdooors, again, the perfect environment for chewing tobacco.
I've been around chewing tobacco for a long time. I've used it to keep from eating, I've used it to calm down, I've used it because others had, I've used it because I was bored, I've used it because it was there, I've used it because....well...because I could. It started with Skoal Wintergreen, the Spearment, then back to Wintergreen, then Cope - Long Cut, then Rooster, then Grizzly.
Now I have to stop. My choice. not my wife's, mom's, brothers, grandma's, dad's, but mine.Â
My reasons...
1. Brayden (7), Addison (3) and Carter (1). I've done well at hiding it from kids for a long time, but is it fair to them that their father sneaks around doing something that is bad for his health? When they grow up, I don't want to be a hypocrit.Â
2. My health. enough said. I don't want to be the guy with no jaw, what fun would that be?
3. To prove I can. If I can beat this, I can do anything.
I'm currently on day 8 (quit day of 4/1/11 - my mom's birthday). I planned this day about 25 days prior and discussed quitting with my family and my doctor. So far it's been pretty rough. Sunflower seeds hurt my mouth, I haven't had a good crap in a week (sorry if TMI), I eat everything in sight and I can't sleep...at all!
Sorry for the lengthy intro, I guess I had more on my mind than I thought. Thanks for welcoming me to your community. I know I'll be around for a long time!
-Boilerbates
While it may sound selfish, reason 2 needs to be reason 1. If you don't do this for yourself first you may end up resenting your family.
If I can do anything, let me know.
Excellent advice ! This has to be for you and only you. When it really sucks you do not want to blame the way you are feeling on someone else. This is all your fault, so accept what comes and decide no matter what you will NEVER put that shit in your face again.
Welcome to the party. Let me know if I can help.
STAY QUIT
Greg
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FYI, I did roll call this morning, but for some reason my name isn't showing up on any of the re-posts. Didn't want to disappoint!
It's on a roll call around the 6 AM-ish timeframe.
You were bumped this morning, which happens when 2 people post at the same time. I added your name back to roll call
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Yesterday was suprisingly ok, today sucks. I would normally have a big fatty in watching the Masters, then to baseball practice. Today I went to the hardware store and didn't even think about chew, but once i got home I started hurt'n. I have zero fingernails left to chew and my stomach is full from eating everything in site.
I'm writing this to get my mind off of it. anyone watching the Masters?
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Yesterday was suprisingly ok, today sucks. I would normally have a big fatty in watching the Masters, then to baseball practice. Today I went to the hardware store and didn't even think about chew, but once i got home I started hurt'n. I have zero fingernails left to chew and my stomach is full from eating everything in site.
I'm writing this to get my mind off of it. anyone watching the Masters?
I am and good job. Keep going one day at a time. It adds up.
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Hello,
My name is Eric Bates. I am 33 years old and a proud father of three kids. My wife and I have been married for 10 years this July. I have chewed tobacco since I was 16 years old.Â
It all started in high school, with the quick marts / gas stations that would sell chew to anyone with money. Once I hit college, it was everyday, nearly all day...no need to hide it from anyone. After graduation, I went to work in residential construction, the perfect climate for chewing tobacco.
My hobbies are baseball (coaching), golf, camping, fishing, anything outdooors, again, the perfect environment for chewing tobacco.
I've been around chewing tobacco for a long time. I've used it to keep from eating, I've used it to calm down, I've used it because others had, I've used it because I was bored, I've used it because it was there, I've used it because....well...because I could. It started with Skoal Wintergreen, the Spearment, then back to Wintergreen, then Cope - Long Cut, then Rooster, then Grizzly.
Now I have to stop. My choice. not my wife's, mom's, brothers, grandma's, dad's, but mine.Â
My reasons...
1. Brayden (7), Addison (3) and Carter (1). I've done well at hiding it from kids for a long time, but is it fair to them that their father sneaks around doing something that is bad for his health? When they grow up, I don't want to be a hypocrit.Â
2. My health. enough said. I don't want to be the guy with no jaw, what fun would that be?
3. To prove I can. If I can beat this, I can do anything.
I'm currently on day 8 (quit day of 4/1/11 - my mom's birthday). I planned this day about 25 days prior and discussed quitting with my family and my doctor. So far it's been pretty rough. Sunflower seeds hurt my mouth, I haven't had a good crap in a week (sorry if TMI), I eat everything in sight and I can't sleep...at all!
Sorry for the lengthy intro, I guess I had more on my mind than I thought. Thanks for welcoming me to your community. I know I'll be around for a long time!
-Boilerbates
While it may sound selfish, reason 2 needs to be reason 1. If you don't do this for yourself first you may end up resenting your family.
If I can do anything, let me know.
Excellent advice ! This has to be for you and only you. When it really sucks you do not want to blame the way you are feeling on someone else. This is all your fault, so accept what comes and decide no matter what you will NEVER put that shit in your face again.
Welcome to the party. Let me know if I can help.
STAY QUIT
Greg
No such thing as TMI here...by the way, rages will come, fog will get better and worse...soemtimes you'll just need to scream at someone. That's what we're here for, love that family, rage at us...we're big boys, we can take it, we've done it ourselves. All you need to do is promise us that you won't dip...and then don't dip! Need anything PM me.
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Hello,
My name is Eric Bates. I am 33 years old and a proud father of three kids. My wife and I have been married for 10 years this July. I have chewed tobacco since I was 16 years old.Â
It all started in high school, with the quick marts / gas stations that would sell chew to anyone with money. Once I hit college, it was everyday, nearly all day...no need to hide it from anyone. After graduation, I went to work in residential construction, the perfect climate for chewing tobacco.
My hobbies are baseball (coaching), golf, camping, fishing, anything outdooors, again, the perfect environment for chewing tobacco.
I've been around chewing tobacco for a long time. I've used it to keep from eating, I've used it to calm down, I've used it because others had, I've used it because I was bored, I've used it because it was there, I've used it because....well...because I could. It started with Skoal Wintergreen, the Spearment, then back to Wintergreen, then Cope - Long Cut, then Rooster, then Grizzly.
Now I have to stop. My choice. not my wife's, mom's, brothers, grandma's, dad's, but mine.Â
My reasons...
1. Brayden (7), Addison (3) and Carter (1). I've done well at hiding it from kids for a long time, but is it fair to them that their father sneaks around doing something that is bad for his health? When they grow up, I don't want to be a hypocrit.Â
2. My health. enough said. I don't want to be the guy with no jaw, what fun would that be?
3. To prove I can. If I can beat this, I can do anything.
I'm currently on day 8 (quit day of 4/1/11 - my mom's birthday). I planned this day about 25 days prior and discussed quitting with my family and my doctor. So far it's been pretty rough. Sunflower seeds hurt my mouth, I haven't had a good crap in a week (sorry if TMI), I eat everything in sight and I can't sleep...at all!
Sorry for the lengthy intro, I guess I had more on my mind than I thought. Thanks for welcoming me to your community. I know I'll be around for a long time!
-Boilerbates
While it may sound selfish, reason 2 needs to be reason 1. If you don't do this for yourself first you may end up resenting your family.
If I can do anything, let me know.
Excellent advice ! This has to be for you and only you. When it really sucks you do not want to blame the way you are feeling on someone else. This is all your fault, so accept what comes and decide no matter what you will NEVER put that shit in your face again.
Welcome to the party. Let me know if I can help.
STAY QUIT
Greg
No such thing as TMI here...by the way, rages will come, fog will get better and worse...soemtimes you'll just need to scream at someone. That's what we're here for, love that family, rage at us...we're big boys, we can take it, we've done it ourselves. All you need to do is promise us that you won't dip...and then don't dip! Need anything PM me.
And just a slight word-smithing on point #3. You can beat this and you will be able to do anything else you set your mind on. Carry on welcome
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ya'll are right, i have to do this for me and I will do it! Getting angry at the nasty habit is a great way of kicking the habit. Chewing tobacco is "my bitch" now.
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Here is an article I posted awhile back on my intro page. I go back to it from time to time just to remind myself what absolute fucks the death dealers are. Hope it helps you find the anger you are looking for.
Make sure you pay attention to the tactics used by Big Tobacco... For fuck sake sending kids ( 9, 10, 11...years old ) free cans ? Making Cherry flavored tobacco with less Nic so the kids could " get used" to the product.
Hard to believe I gave those fucks as much of my money as I did.. NEVER AGAIN FOR ANY REASON !!!
Tobacco Company Pays $5M In Groundbreaking Case
Settlement is nationÂ’s first involving smokeless product
By THOMAS B. SCHEFFEY
Kelly June Hill, Executrix, et al. v. U.S. Smokeless Tobacco: The Altria Group, successor to tobacco marketer United States Smokeless Tobacco of Greenwich, has settled for $5 million a lawsuit filed by the estate of a North Carolina man who died of tongue cancer.
The worker, Bobby Hill, initially went to an Ashville, N.C., lawyer, who referred his case to BridgeportÂ’s Koskoff, Koskoff Bieder. Partners Antonio Ponvert III and Christopher Bernard launched a state court wrongful death action in Connecticut.
From the beginning, Ponvert said, Hill and his family wanted to draw attention to the danger of “dipping snuff” and to discourage youngsters from starting its addictive use.
“It’s the first time a plaintiff has won a wrongful death chewing tobacco verdict or settlement in the history of the industry,” said Ponvert. Altria, based in Richmond, Va., also owns Philip Morris, and has a corporate policy of not settling any individual consumer cases, he added. Altria Group spokesman Steve Callahan said, “U.S. Smokeless Tobacco is honoring an agreement it made in this case prior to its acquisition by Altria….We have no current intention to settle cases like this in the future.”
Historically, the tobacco industry has fiercely defended itself in the courts. And for decades, it denied that tobacco is addictive or a health risk. More recently, it has maintained that people know the risks of tobacco and they should take personal responsibility if they use it. In the industry, a no-settlement rule is standard.
But Bobby Hill, said Ponvert, “was an almost ideal client. Bobby Hill was 13 years old when he started using. He became addicted to this product when he was a child, long before warning labels were put on [packages] in 1987.” That fact, Ponvert said, “destroyed any personal responsibility-type defense that the industry likes to use.” The defendant retained five defense firms, including New York-based Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher Flohm, and Winston Strawn, with local counsel duties handled by Wiggin and Dana, in New Haven.
Attorney David S. Golub, of StamfordÂ’s Silver, Golub Teitel, has handled other lawsuits against the tobacco industry, and was clearly impressed by the Altria settlement.
“This is unprecedented and amazing. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time when a tobacco company has settled a case. It’s fabulous lawyering, and a wonderful result,” Golub told the Law Tribune. “Every tobacco company fights tooth and nail, because they’re afraid that if they settle one case, they can never again say they won’t settle. This is groundbreaking.”
Smokeless tobacco, or snuff, comes in small cans and is sold under brand names such as Skoal or Copenhagen. It comes in a variety of “cuts,” which describe the lengths of the tobacco strands. The tobacco sits between the user’s cheek and gum. It’s different from chewing tobacco, which is a much longer cut that is literally chewed.
One previous snuff case has gone to trial. An Oklahoma plaintiff, Sean Marsee, contracted mouth cancer in the late 1980s after five years of chewing tobacco use, and USST medical experts testified that tumors caused by “dipping snuff” took 20 years to develop. The suit seeking $147 million resulted in a defense verdict for USST.
“Bobby Hill used for 20 years, so we would have been able to use their experts in the Marsee case against them here,” said Ponvert. The attorney said the needs of Hill’s widow and two children, 11 and 14, made a settlement for $5 million seem like a wiser course than holding out for more at trial – or maybe nothing. The process of reaching the settlement stage was long and rocky, requiring extensive discovery work and research.
In a 2002 deposition, USST Chairman and CEO Louis Bantle was questioned in another case, and he explained why some 12 million documents in USST files were stamped confidential. Under oath, he conceded they didn’t contain formulas or other business secrets. “A couple of years ago,” Bantle said, “a whole lot of lawyers came to company headquarters and they stamped ‘confidential’ on every single document we had in our possession, whether they were or not.” Ponvert said discovery was challenging, “for the opposite reason one would think.” The plaintiffs “got half a million pages of documents, which made searching them quite interesting. We found some stuff that was out of this world.”
Letters From Children
Some of the most significant material, said Ponvert, was in a cache of internal correspondence from young customers, aged 9 to 18, written between1978 and 1985. “We found about 50 letters from children to the company, and children’s letters would say, `I am 9 [or 10, 11, 14 or 15] years old, and have been using your product.” The kids had complaints and suggestions. “One was, ‘Please don’t raise the price on Skoal, because I only get $5 in allowance, and can’t afford the seven cans a week that I need,’” Ponvert recounted. “They’d say, ‘I really like the mint flavor, could you make it in a different cut?’
Those letters would be sent to the United States Smokeless Tobacco headquarters in Greenwich. According to the lawyers, a letter would be back to the child saying: “Thank you for your comments. We’ll consider your suggestions, and here are five free cans of Skoal.” After it became illegal to send tobacco to children in the late 1980s, the company sent young teens complimentary can openers and lids to keep their snuff moist and fresh.
Company correspondence supported a plan to introduce candy-flavored Skoal “Bandits” to hook young customers. “Bandits” are ground tobacco and flavorings placed in a tea bag-like fabric, with less nicotine so the beginner wouldn’t get too sick, Ponvert said.
“They had this very Machiavellian strategy to entice people into the market and keep them as they became more tolerant to the drug,” he said. “It’s well known that the average age for starting to use smokeless tobacco is between 9 and 11 years old. So it’s a product that’s designed for kids, and is being used by and sold to kids.”
Altria Group obtained USST in 2009. On the Altria web site, the company emphasizes its commitment to prevent underage children from purchasing tobacco products. Its charts show the use of smoking tobacco products is declining. However, smokeless tobacco products remain popular, and may be on the rise, the charts indicate.
In some quarters, smokeless tobacco is touted as a less-lethal way to consume tobacco than smoking. But, Ponvert said, young people need to comprehend fully the potentially gruesome results.
“One of our experts described dying by mouth cancer as `death by autopsy,’” Ponvert said. “Literally, over a 10- or 12-month period, your face just falls away. At first, [Hill] lost part of his tongue. Then they took his whole tongue. Then it takes part of your jaw, and your cheeks and your gums. Then the tumor wound its way around his carotid artery and he died.” •
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I'm on day 23 and I have to admit that I don't think I could have done this without everyone's help.
I've noticed a few things in the last 3+ weeks...
My finger and thumb are no longer stained brown
I can smell and taste better than ever
I'm starting to sleep better through the night
Craves still suck
I don't have to worry about spilling dip cups or kids getting into them
My truck doesn't have cans falling out everytime I open the door
My truck no longer has spit streaks down the side
I can pick something out of my trash can at work without getting spit all over my hand or the object I'm pulling out...normally paper.
I can kiss my wife at any point in time.
My teeth are whiter
I don't worry about having dip stuck in my lip
I don't plan my morning or evening drive around where I have to stop and buy chew
What has taken me so long to quit?
Glad I'm here glad you're all so welcoming and supportive.
Thanks,
Bates (boilerbates)
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Good job on your day 23. Get ready for some pretty bad fog and craves around the 40-60 day marks. When I hit that area of my quit I thought I had lost my mind. Crazy anxiety and just generally feeling crappy. Power through and it get's better. Today is my 101 and I have never felt better in my life. I ran 3.5 miles yesterday and still had wind left when I was done. Not bad for being 43 and not having run in over 20 years. I never had wind like I do now. I thought only smokers suffered shortness of breath.
If you are interested read my HOF speech, our stories sound very similar: index.php?showtopic=4649 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4649)
If you need a swift kick in the ass, PM me any time and we can talk!
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Good job! You are turning the corner. Going from, I can't do anything without my dip to, I can do everything without my dip and it is more fun. It keeps getting better. Parputt is correct in identifying some bumps in the road, but overall it just keeps getting better. Stay the course, One day at a time. PM me if you need anything.
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Wake up every morning. Post your promise, keep your word and enjoy life !!
Everything is better without that shit !! You are winning daily, just keep repeating the process.
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"I can smell and taste better than ever"
My day 3 was strange for a lot of reasons (fog!!!, no sleep, craves, etc) but I had this strange sensation I couldn't place. I was smelling everything VERY strongly. I thought there was no way nicotene could have been deadening my sense of smell?? Day 4-same damn thing. My sense of smell has multiplied and I notice a lot of things around me that I had never really payed attention to before. Damn! I had to clean my bathroom pronto! I am not convinced at all that being able to smell better is a good thing. Guess I will just have to deal with that one day at a time as well... Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
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Day 35...still posting roll call, everyday. still craving, still getting better, still not caving, still finding who i am, still finding what dip has done to my life.
every day that goes by, i understand...more and more...about how i am an addict. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man can be. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man has to be.
i have been foggy everyday. i have been craving everyday. i have been strong everyday.
i have found that this site works. i have found i'm not alone. i have found a new outlook on life.
thank you to all that read this. thank you to all who post that i read. thank you for being part of my quit.
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Day 35...still posting roll call, everyday. still craving, still getting better, still not caving, still finding who i am, still finding what dip has done to my life.
every day that goes by, i understand...more and more...about how i am an addict. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man can be. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man has to be.
i have been foggy everyday. i have been craving everyday. i have been strong everyday.
i have found that this site works. i have found i'm not alone. i have found a new outlook on life.
thank you to all that read this. thank you to all who post that i read. thank you for being part of my quit.
This is awesome. You the man! Proud to be Quit with you! Peace
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Day 35...still posting roll call, everyday. still craving, still getting better, still not caving, still finding who i am, still finding what dip has done to my life.
every day that goes by, i understand...more and more...about how i am an addict. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man can be. i understand...more and more...about how strong a man has to be.
i have been foggy everyday. i have been craving everyday. i have been strong everyday.
i have found that this site works. i have found i'm not alone. i have found a new outlook on life.
thank you to all that read this. thank you to all who post that i read. thank you for being part of my quit.
I have had the same feelings, right about the same time in my quit.
The biggest difference for me in this quit as opposed to other attempts in my life? The MINDSET I had. It sounds like you've got it.
Keep it up brother. It just keeps getting better.
Stay strong.
Stay Quit!
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Keep it up. Now we are addicted to quitting. I just hit the 100 day number and have been battling the cave impulse like crazy the last few days. Times when I hated dip came and went but I chose to keep using for years anyway. Now I chose not to regardless of my feelings.
Again keep it up. I don't worry that I may desire dip now until the end of my life. I do know that a few months in I'm a much better dad because I'm not ignoring my kids to spend some quality alone time with the grizz.
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The biggest difference for me in this quit as opposed to other attempts in my life? The MINDSET I had. It sounds like you've got it.
That's exactly it, it's the mindset. to be bad ass, you have to think like a bad ass.
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congrats on 100 days jaygib!
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I'm on day 23 and I have to admit that I don't think I could have done this without everyone's help.
I've noticed a few things in the last 3+ weeks...
I can kiss my wife at any point in time.
Glad I'm here glad you're all so welcoming and supportive.
Thanks,
Bates (boilerbates)
Just a note, I kissed my wife everyday for 15 years without her knowing if i had one in or not. Now that i am 106 days quit. I don't have to worry about being busted. Congrats for the desire to quit and don't forget that we all our addicts quitting one day at a time. In time it does get better, however remember it is a battle and the war is yet to be won.
Congrats again and good luck. I understand how hard it is to see baseball coaches dip when you no longer dip. It is one of the hardest things to do, however with the power of staying quit anything is possible.
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Damn. I have been struggling more than ever the last few days. FUCK!
The nic-bitch has been perched on my left shoulder for about 4 days now, whispering in my ear, telling me how one can of grizzly won't hurt me. The bitch keeps reminding me about all the times we'd spent together.
This morning I was reading a bunch of posts on KTC, thinking about the nic-bitch on my left shoulder. Each time I read another post, something happened...the KTC angel on my right shoulder grew stronger louder than before. Telling the nic-bitch to shut the fuck up, then telling me to tell the nic-bitch to be cool...like..."bitch, be cool"...you know like Jules would say.
Next thing I knew, the KTC angel when straight Road House on the nic-bitch.
That was cool.
KTC is like the Chuck Norris of Support Groups.
My theropy is rambling as I type.
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KTC is like the Chuck Norris of Support Groups.
This just became my new favorite way to describe the site...
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KTC is like the Chuck Norris of Support Groups.Â
This just became my new favorite way to describe the site...
That sir would be a bad ass shirt, agree?
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KTC is like the Chuck Norris of Support Groups.Â
This just became my new favorite way to describe the site...
That sir would be a bad ass shirt, agree?
Hell yes... on my list.
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KTC is like the Chuck Norris of Support Groups.Â
This just became my new favorite way to describe the site...
That sir would be a bad ass shirt, agree?
Hell yes... on my list.
I want one of those shirts. Hey denney, that would be nice attire for, maybe something like ..... a Brave's game.
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Last night I had a very vivid dip dream. I woke up so fucking pissed off at myself. i'm actually still a little shaken over it.
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the nic bitch is jedi mind fucking me. damn it.
why not buy a can, then quit again? ummm, cause you're a whore.
go bum one from Joe, he won't care. fuck yourself, dickface.
one pinch won't hurt. i'm an addict, the thought of a pinch is hurting me
alright, enough. I am quit today, like i was quit yesterday and the 80+ days prior to that. I will handle tomorrow when it gets here. Until then, my answer is no.
***senseless rambling. effective way # 268 on how to deal with a crave
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Way to resist her advances Boiler...she is a liar!
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Last night I had a very vivid dip dream. I woke up so fucking pissed off at myself. i'm actually still a little shaken over it.
Cave dreams are the best. No better way to get reminded about how shitty you'd feel if you decided to be a loser and go back to the can.
And yes: Ramble away, dood. The bitch got nothing on you.
God, I love seeing your avatar. Funniest part of that movie.
"Eh, buckle this..."
"Are we stopped?"
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
Glad you posted this up. We read your stuff. When the craves are bad read this: http://killthecan.org/robs/embracing.asp (http://killthecan.org/robs/embracing.asp)
and this.
http://killthecan.org/robs/law.asp (http://killthecan.org/robs/law.asp)
The fact that you are having a hard time and you did not cave means your quit is strong. Stay strong. PM me if you need a number. You can count on me.
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
suck it up Boiler... Get small and do what you did that first week... This feeling will come and go.. I just went thru a bad bout with the bitch tempting me, but I had my plan and used my plan, Guess what? The Plan worked! Power thru and great job on posting this shit up!
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"Take pride in your healing. It canÂ’t hurt you. Only you can do that. Enjoy your recovery donÂ’t fear it. Embrace your craves. Enjoy your journey home as there is very special person waiting at the other end."
From the link Scowick provided below--this is the last line of that essay-----this is powerful!
I am realizing that To Quit relay means to just accept TRUTH over falsehood! A crave is a preconditioned LIE and when we consciously accept and ackowledge the crave, we shine the light of TRUTH on it----and when we expose it the Truth has prevailed over the preconditioned LIE.
Take that Big Tobacco!!!!!
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
Hang in there Boiler! I have had a number of deep bone aching craves to fornicate with the nic bitch, and they have been coming on strong and frequent and seem like they started in my 90s just a few days before my HOF! Then I go and post roll, that saves me every time! The nic bitch is on every corner shaking her ass! You can beat her tho! Proud to be quit with you brother ! nico
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
Hang in there Boiler! I have had a number of deep bone aching craves to fornicate with the nic bitch, and they have been coming on strong and frequent and seem like they started in my 90s just a few days before my HOF! Then I go and post roll, that saves me every time! The nic bitch is on every corner shaking her ass! You can beat her tho! Proud to be quit with you brother ! nico
Boiler,
You are stronger than nicotine. I know you can do this, I have watched your quit unfold from the very beginning, and it has been an inspiration to me. There is no way a crave can make you cave. You don't do that sh@t anymore! Time to get angry, angry at the people who push this crap to kids, the company that made you a slave by slipping a deadly drug to you all these years. That crave you are feeling is thanks to them. They want you back as a customer- but you ain't going back. You aren't their slave anymore.
PROUD to be quit with you,
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Boiler,
Man I'm right there with you. I think I'm finally turning the corner on a week long bout of serious craves. It's some tough shit to get punched in the nuts like that when your quit is cruising along. Like Bruce mentioned, I went back to the basics of the first week or two... Posting roll, spending more time on-site, interacting with newbs, seeds, gum, fake, and limited booze.
The whole time, though, I wasn't in danger of ACTUALLY caving. That option ceased to exist on day 1. The boats have long since burnt down to ash and the only thing left to do is fight my way out of my own fucking mess.
Boiler, you're in the same situation. Your quit is safe. You have too many brothers and sisters fighting along side of you to fall victim to this latest offensive. You let me know, and I'll take a few hundred bullets for you. Call and rage, call and cry, but let me know when you need me.
You got this.
All day.
One day at a time.
Check your pm's.
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Caving is not an option quitter.
Find something else to do.
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Thank you everyone for the support. I will not cave. my quit is stronger than ever. thank you very very much for the support. I could not have survived the craves without this site.
thank you.
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I've really been struggling this last week. I've almost caved. I have not caved, however it's been so fucking hard not to buy a can. this truly sucks.
What's that old adage about "almost"? Something about horseshoes and hand grenades?... or was it pregnancy? ... oh, fuck it
This is my point: There is no "almost caved." Either you eat the shit or you don't.
If you have a craving for a split second, throw in a toothpick and forget about it, you're quit.
If you have a bad craving and yell at your dog for three fucking hours and forget about it, you're quit.
If you have a monster crave and buy a can and open it and smell it and poke the shit with your fingers and cry into it and then get past it, you're quit.
You're a fucking quit monster in all instances. The hope, of course, is you use this site and your brothers to minimize the pain and get back on track quicker, without crying.
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Went to the family doctor for my first check up since i quit. i told the doc back in march that april 1st would be my first day of quit. he was very impressed and happy to hear that i have not used tobacco since March 31st. I talked about this site and he was very interested. We discussed it in length and i mentioned that the site works, but its not for the faint of heart. he is going to research the site and use it as a tool for chewers looking to quit and for smokers that need to be held accountable.
basically, we're pimping KTC for the greater good of the people of Madison County Indiana...and soon, the entire universe.
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basically, we're pimping KTC for the greater good of the people of Madison County Indiana...and soon, the entire universe.
No problem with that. We're all addict whores anyway.