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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: carumba10 on March 26, 2012, 09:01:00 PM
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Hello all. During my google searches I came across this website. Looks fantastic with lots of reading to catch up on.
My story. 50 years old and never smoked. Dipped for the 1st time 17 years ago. Minor league baseball team was in town and a player offered me some. Tried it, and haven't stopped.
Friday at 2pm I decided enough. I had been thinking about it for the past 4 months and have cut my usage down to 2 tins a week. Up in Canada that is still $40 a week !
Not sure what to expect. Been 3 days so far and I don't know what is worse...the withdrawl or just the habit routine.
Look forward to the journey with you folks 1
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Welcome Carumba, great to be quit with you today. if you havent yet, log in and sign into your quit group. You have made a great choice and finding a good support group is important in staying quit. there are some great guys here that can give you some awesome advice.
shoot me a line if you need anything.
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Welcome Carumba, did you get the PM that I sent you last night? Look for the inbox at the top right on the screen. Here is a recap just incase:
Well here is the deal with KTC, we are basically a cold turkey program, we don't utilize nicotine replacement therapy such as nicorette gum.
We come in each day and promise to our brothers that we will remain quit for the rest of the day, the next day we come and do the same thing.
People come in here and bust balls, they go in the chat and talk about the issues they are having, they call fellow quit group members and ask for help. We remain quit one day at a time.
We have milestones, the biggest and the first is reaching 100 days quit without NRT, this is called the Hall of Fame, the time when you reach HOF is your quit group so if you stopped all nicotine on March 23rd you would be in the June 2012 group.
When in your group you post roll call, this is your promise to quit today, tomorrow you come in and repeat. Remember, we are addicts, we are junkies to nicotine, it takes a strong will and assistance to stay quit.
Here is the welcome center
index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Here is how to post roll call
index.php?showtopic=50 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
Here is the June quit group
index.php?showtopic=6044 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6044)
Welcome to our group, if you buy into the program it can save your life.
Stay quit my friend.
Bigwhitebeast
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Welcome aboard brother. Listen to the beast. I think he's got some good pointers in there. Only thing I would ask if this here is an attempt or you are quit? There's a bit of a difference. One tells me this is a passing fancy of yours and other tells me you got some balls.
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Welcome aboard brother. Listen to the beast. I think he's got some good pointers in there. Only thing I would ask if this here is an attempt or you are quit? There's a bit of a difference. One tells me this is a passing fancy of yours and other tells me you got some balls.
That is a good distinction. There is nothing in this world that I know with 100% certainty or can guarantee. So If I had to classify then this would be an attempt.
I don't have any tins at home or at work. I am well stocked in Sunflower seeds and Jerky. I am also doing a ton of reading to try and help me understand the process. These 72 hours have been tough, but, if this is as bad as it gets, then I think I am in good shape to continue forward.
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Welcome aboard brother. Listen to the beast. I think he's got some good pointers in there. Only thing I would ask if this here is an attempt or you are quit? There's a bit of a difference. One tells me this is a passing fancy of yours and other tells me you got some balls.
That is a good distinction. There is nothing in this world that I know with 100% certainty or can guarantee. So If I had to classify then this would be an attempt.
I don't have any tins at home or at work. I am well stocked in Sunflower seeds and Jerky. I am also doing a ton of reading to try and help me understand the process. These 72 hours have been tough, but, if this is as bad as it gets, then I think I am in good shape to continue forward.
I'm real tired tonight so I'm not going to open my super sized pack of profanity.
Zumba...that's not the mind set to take. You have a goal. That goal is quit for 24 hours. That's it. No more than that. That's all any of us can do bro. One day at a time. We don't quit forever. We quit one day at a time. And I can tell you if you have balls, a plan and the desire to be free, you can do it. There's no room for attempt in that approach. Its not allowed. When shit gets hard, you reach out for help. You get on this site. You text a quit brother. You call a quit brother. You PM anyone. Anyone of these good folks would help you out. There is no reason to ever consume nicotine. Ever.
Now, find your raisins.
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Yes, that sounds like the right strategy. Deal with the day at hand and not the future.
96+ hours so far. I'm hoping this isn't how I am going to feel the rest of my life. I feel like a 15 year old after his first kiss. I can't think of anything else right now except for a dip.
Tough sleddin
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Yes, that sounds like the right strategy. Deal with the day at hand and not the future.
96+ hours so far. I'm hoping this isn't how I am going to feel the rest of my life. I feel like a 15 year old after his first kiss. I can't think of anything else right now except for a dip.
Tough sleddin
Hang in there! it gets better.Tomorrow is the big 30 for me. Just don't let your guard down !!!!!!!
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"...I can't think of anything else right now except for a dip."
My Day 4, and my simple rules...FWIW:
1) I never hang out with anyone that uses. Period. I walk away.
2) I do not enter convenience stores. Pay at the pump.
3) I do not go within 50 feet of the tobacco counter at the grocery store.
Quit onward...Scott
BTW, check this fine quit logic from a 7000 post veteran index.php?showtopic=5695hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5695&hl=)
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Hello all. During my google searches I came across this website. Looks fantastic with lots of reading to catch up on.
My story. 50 years old and never smoked. Dipped for the 1st time 17 years ago. Minor league baseball team was in town and a player offered me some. Tried it, and haven't stopped.
Friday at 2pm I decided enough. I had been thinking about it for the past 4 months and have cut my usage down to 2 tins a week. Up in Canada that is still $40 a week !
Not sure what to expect. Been 3 days so far and I don't know what is worse...the withdrawl or just the habit routine.
Look forward to the journey with you folks 1
Welcome bro! Let me know if you need a number or anything at all!
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Carumba,
Name's Mark. I'm 50 also. Dipped Skoal for 31 years. Coming up on 1 year quit as of 18 April. Take a look at my HOF speech. You CAN do this.
- Yes, it sucks... But that is a good thing. It means your brain is healing
- Embrace the suck. Crawl inside it. It's hollow. It barks, it may even bite, but it cannot kill you. Tobacco on the other hand, will eventually kill you.
PM me if you need numbers..
Romandog
(July 2011)
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Start of Day 5
A bit of a paradox going on. I try not to think about wanting a dip so I try to ignore it. The less I think about it the easier the automatic triggers kick in. I am constantly reaching for a tin from my pocket or going into the kitchen, having a glass of water and opening my stash drawer...before realizing I am quit.
Autopilot for me = triggers take control
Going to run today. That was one of the reasons for the quit. Been running for four years and not getting any better. Not sure if the dip was a factor.
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Start of Day 5
A bit of a paradox going on. I try not to think about wanting a dip so I try to ignore it. The less I think about it the easier the automatic triggers kick in. I am constantly reaching for a tin from my pocket or going into the kitchen, having a glass of water and opening my stash drawer...before realizing I am quit.
Autopilot for me = triggers take control
Going to run today. That was one of the reasons for the quit. Been running for four years and not getting any better. Not sure if the dip was a factor.
Carumba! Where in Canada are you from? You got this... Don't pansy out!
Gunner26
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Start of Day 5
A bit of a paradox going on. I try not to think about wanting a dip so I try to ignore it. The less I think about it the easier the automatic triggers kick in. I am constantly reaching for a tin from my pocket or going into the kitchen, having a glass of water and opening my stash drawer...before realizing I am quit.
Autopilot for me = triggers take control
Going to run today. That was one of the reasons for the quit. Been running for four years and not getting any better. Not sure if the dip was a factor.
Keep up the good work man! Triggers will linger for awhile just be careful. Wait til about 2 weeks in you will feel an increase of energy and the triggers a lot less. Mind over matter.
PM me if you need anything or numbers.
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cut my usage down to 2 tins a week. Up in Canada that is still $40 a week !
Holy crap! $20 a tin in Canada? What was your peak weekly usage and cost?
Welcome to the Quit, my friend, punch through these early days and you will come out shining soon. PM me if you need anything.
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Start of Day 5
A bit of a paradox going on. I try not to think about wanting a dip so I try to ignore it. The less I think about it the easier the automatic triggers kick in. I am constantly reaching for a tin from my pocket or going into the kitchen, having a glass of water and opening my stash drawer...before realizing I am quit.
Autopilot for me = triggers take control
Going to run today. That was one of the reasons for the quit. Been running for four years and not getting any better. Not sure if the dip was a factor.
Carumba! Where in Canada are you from? You got this... Don't pansy out!
Gunner26
Vancouver BC
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cut my usage down to 2 tins a week. Up in Canada that is still $40 a week !
Holy crap! $20 a tin in Canada? What was your peak weekly usage and cost?
Welcome to the Quit, my friend, punch through these early days and you will come out shining soon. PM me if you need anything.
It is $18 + a tin at 7-11. You get a whole dollar off if you buy two. The last 6 months I made a point of only using 2 tins a week. If I ran it, then no dip for me. I think that was my way of preparing for this day. So 2 tins a week works out to about $2,000 a year. Before that I don't even want to think about what I was spending a month.
On a side note, last year when I was in Oregon to watch the Ducks we went into a Costco. Almost fell over when I bought a package of 5 tins for $20...and no tax. i am probably lucky it costs so much here. Another motivation for me to quit.
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cut my usage down to 2 tins a week. Up in Canada that is still $40 a week !
Holy crap! $20 a tin in Canada? What was your peak weekly usage and cost?
Welcome to the Quit, my friend, punch through these early days and you will come out shining soon. PM me if you need anything.
It is $18 + a tin at 7-11. You get a whole dollar off if you buy two. The last 6 months I made a point of only using 2 tins a week. If I ran it, then no dip for me. I think that was my way of preparing for this day. So 2 tins a week works out to about $2,000 a year. Before that I don't even want to think about what I was spending a month.
On a side note, last year when I was in Oregon to watch the Ducks we went into a Costco. Almost fell over when I bought a package of 5 tins for $20...and no tax. i am probably lucky it costs so much here. Another motivation for me to quit.
That's just crazy, man!! How many tins do you think you used/per week during the height of your addiction? I wouldn't just blow that off, you should have that front and center, that's a huge motivator to quit.
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Day 11 and so far so good. I don't really have any cravings. The habit part is still a big factor. Wake up = reach for a dip. Eat = reach for a dip. Go online= reach for a dip etc etc. Those types of things happen multiple times a day but then I remember I quit and forget about it.
Doing a lot of reading and it looks like late teens earlt 20's can be a problem ? A little worried about that.
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The more I read on KTC the more ridicoulos I feel. All the trials, tribulations and games we go through just to be able to dip. As I was driving home today I thought of a couple that make me shake my head in disgust.
Apparently my mouth shape or teeth aren't even. If I put a dip into my right side it is basically invisable. In my left side it leaves a noticable bump and if I open my mouth too much when talking you can actually see the dip. So the easy answer is always put the dip on the right side. We all know we can't do that because we have to share the load. All the abuse can't go to the same side everytime. so the answer ? In public, when I might have to talk, dip goes to the right. By myself, dip on the left. With all the problems we deal with on a day to day basis, how pathetic is it to waste one second trying to solve this " problem"
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The more I read on KTC the more ridicoulos I feel. All the trials, tribulations and games we go through just to be able to dip. As I was driving home today I thought of a couple that make me shake my head in disgust.
Apparently my mouth shape or teeth aren't even. If I put a dip into my right side it is basically invisable. In my left side it leaves a noticable bump and if I open my mouth too much when talking you can actually see the dip. So the easy answer is always put the dip on the right side. We all know we can't do that because we have to share the load. All the abuse can't go to the same side everytime. so the answer ? In public, when I might have to talk, dip goes to the right. By myself, dip on the left. With all the problems we deal with on a day to day basis, how pathetic is it to waste one second trying to solve this " problem"
What fools we once were. Stay quit brother. I am proud to be quit with you today.
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The more I read on KTC the more ridicoulos I feel. All the trials, tribulations and games we go through just to be able to dip. As I was driving home today I thought of a couple that make me shake my head in disgust.
Apparently my mouth shape or teeth aren't even. If I put a dip into my right side it is basically invisable. In my left side it leaves a noticable bump and if I open my mouth too much when talking you can actually see the dip. So the easy answer is always put the dip on the right side. We all know we can't do that because we have to share the load. All the abuse can't go to the same side everytime. so the answer ? In public, when I might have to talk, dip goes to the right. By myself, dip on the left. With all the problems we deal with on a day to day basis, how pathetic is it to waste one second trying to solve this " problem"
Taking stock of all of the fucking nuances I did to court tobacco in recent years was/is one of the biggest motivating factors for me to quit. I was a ninja dipper extraordinaire, to the point that it was a seamless part of my life. In the last few years, I'd mastered covertly loading a dip in any situation, in front of anyone, with a quick back turn, or a "delay" when the family is loading into the car, etc.
You know what really got to me recently? My 4-year-old son started saying "I'm rinsing my mouth like Daddy" after he brushed his teeth by sticking his head in the sink and rinsing his mouth out straight from the fixture. Wow, it finally got through to my sorry ass head that it was time to make a change. What a freaking white-trash, redneck punk I've been for 21 years.
No more. Fuck tobacco.
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The more I read on KTC the more ridicoulos I feel. All the trials, tribulations and games we go through just to be able to dip. As I was driving home today I thought of a couple that make me shake my head in disgust.
Apparently my mouth shape or teeth aren't even. If I put a dip into my right side it is basically invisable. In my left side it leaves a noticable bump and if I open my mouth too much when talking you can actually see the dip. So the easy answer is always put the dip on the right side. We all know we can't do that because we have to share the load. All the abuse can't go to the same side everytime. so the answer ? In public, when I might have to talk, dip goes to the right. By myself, dip on the left. With all the problems we deal with on a day to day basis, how pathetic is it to waste one second trying to solve this " problem"
Taking stock of all of the fucking nuances I did to court tobacco in recent years was/is one of the biggest motivating factors for me to quit. I was a ninja dipper extraordinaire, to the point that it was a seamless part of my life. In the last few years, I'd mastered covertly loading a dip in any situation, in front of anyone, with a quick back turn, or a "delay" when the family is loading into the car, etc.
You know what really got to me recently? My 4-year-old son started saying "I'm rinsing my mouth like Daddy" after he brushed his teeth by sticking his head in the sink and rinsing his mouth out straight from the fixture. Wow, it finally got through to my sorry ass head that it was time to make a change. What a freaking white-trash, redneck punk I've been for 21 years.
No more. Fuck tobacco.
Rinsing your mouth straight from the tap. Sounds familar. 'bang head'
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The more I read on KTC the more ridicoulos I feel. All the trials, tribulations and games we go through just to be able to dip. As I was driving home today I thought of a couple that make me shake my head in disgust.
Apparently my mouth shape or teeth aren't even. If I put a dip into my right side it is basically invisable. In my left side it leaves a noticable bump and if I open my mouth too much when talking you can actually see the dip. So the easy answer is always put the dip on the right side. We all know we can't do that because we have to share the load. All the abuse can't go to the same side everytime. so the answer ? In public, when I might have to talk, dip goes to the right. By myself, dip on the left. With all the problems we deal with on a day to day basis, how pathetic is it to waste one second trying to solve this " problem"
Taking stock of all of the fucking nuances I did to court tobacco in recent years was/is one of the biggest motivating factors for me to quit. I was a ninja dipper extraordinaire, to the point that it was a seamless part of my life. In the last few years, I'd mastered covertly loading a dip in any situation, in front of anyone, with a quick back turn, or a "delay" when the family is loading into the car, etc.
You know what really got to me recently? My 4-year-old son started saying "I'm rinsing my mouth like Daddy" after he brushed his teeth by sticking his head in the sink and rinsing his mouth out straight from the fixture. Wow, it finally got through to my sorry ass head that it was time to make a change. What a freaking white-trash, redneck punk I've been for 21 years.
No more. Fuck tobacco.
Rinsing your mouth straight from the tap. Sounds familar. 'bang head'
Isn't it great when you can start to think clearly you realize how stupid it was to dip in the first place!!
Keep up the good work and remember these thoughts they will certainly strengthen your resolve!!!
Stay quit bro!
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Forgot to add my other embarrassing story.
My GF and I went out of town for the weekend for some RR. We also planned to drop by and visit my ex boss in his new home and have dinner. My ex boss was a guy I really admired. I hadn't seen him for 4 years since his retirement. So we showed up and was introduced to his wife. She told us dinner served in 30 minutes and brought us a drink.
So of course that gave me time for a chew. So I excused myself to use the bathroom and put the dip in (right side of course because that's the side that doesn't show). Of course no spitter available so am gutting it. 30 minutes later dinner is announced. I excuse myself again to use the washroom on the pretext of washing up, and get rid of the dip.
Dinner was great. Plates cleared and coffee was served. Time for an after meal dip. So I excused myself again (they must think I have a minature bladder). Whatever, I needed the chew. So I get my dip in, and come back to the table. Just as I sat down, they served dessert !? Now what the fuck am I going to do ? There is a bowl of fruit and creme placed in front of each person. I can't excuse myself again since I just got back from the bathroom 10 seconds earlier. No way can I get the dip out of my mouth with everyone sitting there....and I can't refuse the dessert.
Solution ? Since the dip is on my right side, I would place a small amount of fruit on my left side, chew it lightly, and basically swallow it whole....and at the same time trying like hell not to swallow any chew.....which of course is impossible.
At the time it was frustrating, but just another shit happens type of moment. After joining KTC, and reading other peoples events, then looking back at this clusterfuck it hits home even harder. I am a drug addict. If that scene actually felt normal to me then what was that drug doing to my mind ?
Crazy stuff.
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Forgot to add my other embarrassing story.
My GF and I went out of town for the weekend for some RR. We also planned to drop by and visit my ex boss in his new home and have dinner. My ex boss was a guy I really admired. I hadn't seen him for 4 years since his retirement. So we showed up and was introduced to his wife. She told us dinner served in 30 minutes and brought us a drink.
So of course that gave me time for a chew. So I excused myself to use the bathroom and put the dip in (right side of course because that's the side that doesn't show). Of course no spitter available so am gutting it. 30 minutes later dinner is announced. I excuse myself again to use the washroom on the pretext of washing up, and get rid of the dip.
Dinner was great. Plates cleared and coffee was served. Time for an after meal dip. So I excused myself again (they must think I have a minature bladder). Whatever, I needed the chew. So I get my dip in, and come back to the table. Just as I sat down, they served dessert !? Now what the fuck am I going to do ? There is a bowl of fruit and creme placed in front of each person. I can't excuse myself again since I just got back from the bathroom 10 seconds earlier. No way can I get the dip out of my mouth with everyone sitting there....and I can't refuse the dessert.
Solution ? Since the dip is on my right side, I would place a small amount of fruit on my left side, chew it lightly, and basically swallow it whole....and at the same time trying like hell not to swallow any chew.....which of course is impossible.
At the time it was frustrating, but just another shit happens type of moment. After joining KTC, and reading other peoples events, then looking back at this clusterfuck it hits home even harder. I am a drug addict. If that scene actually felt normal to me then what was that drug doing to my mind ?
Crazy stuff.
Priceless. I think we have all been there. No more.
Protect your quit, keep it strong.
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Day 14 is a bit of a pain. I am actually tasting the cope right now and my mouth is constantly salivating.
Poor
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Forgot to add my other embarrassing story.
My GF and I went out of town for the weekend for some RR. We also planned to drop by and visit my ex boss in his new home and have dinner. My ex boss was a guy I really admired. I hadn't seen him for 4 years since his retirement. So we showed up and was introduced to his wife. She told us dinner served in 30 minutes and brought us a drink.
So of course that gave me time for a chew. So I excused myself to use the bathroom and put the dip in (right side of course because that's the side that doesn't show). Of course no spitter available so am gutting it. 30 minutes later dinner is announced. I excuse myself again to use the washroom on the pretext of washing up, and get rid of the dip.
Dinner was great. Plates cleared and coffee was served. Time for an after meal dip. So I excused myself again (they must think I have a minature bladder). Whatever, I needed the chew. So I get my dip in, and come back to the table. Just as I sat down, they served dessert !? Now what the fuck am I going to do ? There is a bowl of fruit and creme placed in front of each person. I can't excuse myself again since I just got back from the bathroom 10 seconds earlier. No way can I get the dip out of my mouth with everyone sitting there....and I can't refuse the dessert.
Solution ? Since the dip is on my right side, I would place a small amount of fruit on my left side, chew it lightly, and basically swallow it whole....and at the same time trying like hell not to swallow any chew.....which of course is impossible.
At the time it was frustrating, but just another shit happens type of moment. After joining KTC, and reading other peoples events, then looking back at this clusterfuck it hits home even harder. I am a drug addict. If that scene actually felt normal to me then what was that drug doing to my mind ?
Crazy stuff.
Priceless. I think we have all been there. No more.
Protect your quit, keep it strong.
Reminded me of all the time I got caught off guard a just got a pop and washed the whole thing down. Wow Were we sick!!
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Day 17, first dip dream last night. Very realistic. Not helping the cravings today.
I am hoping the craves will slow down soon. Day to day life not real fun when dip is on your mind every minute.
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QUOTE=carumba10,Apr 4, 2012, 6:47 am] Forgot to add my other embarrassing story.
My GF and I went out of town for the weekend for some RR. We also planned to drop by and visit my ex boss in his new home and have dinner. My ex boss was a guy I really admired. I hadn't seen him for 4 years since his retirement. So we showed up and was introduced to his wife. She told us dinner served in 30 minutes and brought us a drink.
So of course that gave me time for a chew. So I excused myself to use the bathroom and put the dip in (right side of course because that's the side that doesn't show). Of course no spitter available so am gutting it. 30 minutes later dinner is announced. I excuse myself again to use the washroom on the pretext of washing up, and get rid of the dip.
Dinner was great. Plates cleared and coffee was served. Time for an after meal dip. So I excused myself again (they must think I have a minature bladder). Whatever, I needed the chew. So I get my dip in, and come back to the table. Just as I sat down, they served dessert !? Now what the fuck am I going to do ? There is a bowl of fruit and creme placed in front of each person. I can't excuse myself again since I just got back from the bathroom 10 seconds earlier. No way can I get the dip out of my mouth with everyone sitting there....and I can't refuse the dessert.
Solution ? Since the dip is on my right side, I would place a small amount of fruit on my left side, chew it lightly, and basically swallow it whole....and at the same time trying like hell not to swallow any chew.....which of course is impossible.
At the time it was frustrating, but just another shit happens type of moment. After joining KTC, and reading other peoples events, then looking back at this clusterfuck it hits home even harder. I am a drug addict. If that scene actually felt normal to me then what was that drug doing to my mind ?
Crazy stuff.
Priceless. I think we have all been there. No more.
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I have so done that .... Done the "pretend" sneeze into a Paper towel at dinner table .... NOT A GOOD IDEA!
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Day 18
The Good - Ran 14 km today
The Bad -Cravings every waking minute. Was hoping as the days went by the cravings might slow down. Apparently not.
- ate an entire cake last night washed it down with a bottle of Coke (haven't drank Coke in years)
So traded the dip for binging on fat, cholesterol, sugar and empty calories.
/golfclap
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Day 18
The Good - Ran 14 km today
The Bad -Cravings every waking minute. Was hoping as the days went by the cravings might slow down. Apparently not.
- ate an entire cake last night washed it down with a bottle of Coke (haven't drank Coke in years)
So traded the dip for binging on fat, cholesterol, sugar and empty calories.
/golfclap
Keep focused. Make conscious decisions on what to "trade" for going forward. Trade in your tins (for today) for ten bucks in your pocket, 20 mm HG off your blood pressure, no mouth sores and another day when you didn't stick a cancerous poison in your lip. Even better, one day you didn't put money in Hemanshu's (convenience store owner) or Big Tobacco's pocket. Fuck Them.
Great job on the run, I've been ramping up lately as well, after feeling sorry for myself for gaining five lbs since I've quit. Feeling strong.
You are doing great. Don't make this a zero-sum game. The goal is to quit tobacco, forever. We can be tobacco-free AND also be fit and healthy.
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Day 20
Good :
- 50 minute Tempo run
- Signed up new customer
Bad :
- 24/7 Cravings continue
- Bad diet continues
I have been looking for a post from Bernie Madoff cause this feels like a ponzi scheme.
"Mr Madoff, when will we start seeing a return on our money ? "
"After day 3 Mr Sucke ...I mean Jones, wait till you get through day 3"
"Mr Madoff, it's day 4, and still no returns"
" It's a process, wait until day 7"
"Mr Madoff, it's day 8. What gives?"
" You need to be patient. Wait for 2 weeks"
"Mr Madoff, it has been 19 days ?"
" Days 20-30 can be really bad for making money. Hang on until day 31"
Rinse. Repeat.
'bang head'
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That's just funny right there.
Here is what madoff didn't do that qutting does.
Bernie "Mark, how much money have you saved to date by quitting tobacco"
Mark: "$182.10"
Bernie: "Mark how are your relationships."
Mark: "Much better because I no longer lie."
Bernie: "How much money did you invest to quit tobacco"
Mark: "Nothing, I just gave my word"
Bernie: "Did you think it would be easy?"
Mark: "No but I didn't think it would take so long to get easier."
Bernie: "How do you feel about your investment?"
Mark: "It isn't fun, it sucks but I am optimistic"
Bernie: "Where is the Ponzi Scheme?"
Mark: "Tobacco is my Bernie Madoff. Not quitting. I invested in tobacco for 20 years always expecting a good ROI. I got a buzz once in a while. What a joke! The amount of money I invested in tobacco could buy me a car. I turned money into gross spit for years"
carumba10 - The real Ponzi is Tobacco and its promoters. You are just feeling the pain of a bad investment. All the advise you get here....hurts but it is real and sound advise.
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My communication skills are lacking sometimes. I guess I am a control freak. When I give blood, I need to watch it happen, even though they advise to look away. I need to know what's going on. I prefer to make choices or decisions based on logic. That's why I ask what's ahead of me.
If the consensus is on average it take 2 weeks to stop the craving then I can do that.
If it takes 30 days, I can do that.
If it takes 60 days, I can do that.
If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
My diet is horrible. My cholesterol is rising. My blood sugar is rising. My weight is increasing so my knees/back/hips take extra pounding from running. My relationships(friends and GF) are suffering because I am craving and thus nasty. Business is suffering because of the nasty anti-social attitude. So it's easier to stay in the man cave and avoid all that.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
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Day 34...and still sucks with craves.
Curiousity is driving my quit now. I want to find out for myself the actual truth of when the craves stop.
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Day 34...and still sucks with craves.
Curiousity is driving my quit now. I want to find out for myself the actual truth of when the craves stop.
In an absolute sense, craves and the "nic bitch" are all inside your head. They are not tangible items.
Based on your recent posts, it sounds like you are having a rough time grappling with the concept that you are a nicotine-free mofo, and you will be permanently. Or will you be?
Have you burned your bridges with chew, or are you subconsciously giving yourself an "out" to cave if the craves don't go away by a certain deadline?
I suggest you take a look in the mirror and tell yourself that, no matter what, no matter how bad or how long the craves last, you are done and quit with nicotine and it will never enter your body again. Take control of your mental struggle, bro. If you can do that, and say it with conviction, the craves will begin to fizzle and the "nic bitch" will stop yelling in your ear every moment of every day.
And the sun will come out, and yank your ass out of this 20's/30's funk you're in. It feels freaking awesome on this side, the freedom is unbelievable. I cannot imagine going back to being a slave. I never will.
Rock on.
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Day 34...and still sucks with craves.
Curiousity is driving my quit now. I want to find out for myself the actual truth of when the craves stop.
You fed your brain nicotine for over 6,000 days, for the last 34 you have told it no. There is no magic cure and no number you will hit when craves go away. You need to re focus, worry about TODAY. You need to get through today, thats all.
Trying to quit forever is impossible, quit for today.
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Trying to quit forever is impossible, quit for today.
All of us will quit forever. Some of us have decided to kick the quit off while we're still alive.
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Day 34...and still sucks with craves.
Curiousity is driving my quit now. I want to find out for myself the actual truth of when the craves stop.
You fed your brain nicotine for over 6,000 days, for the last 34 you have told it no. There is no magic cure and no number you will hit when craves go away. You need to re focus, worry about TODAY. You need to get through today, thats all.
Trying to quit forever is impossible, quit for today.
The cravings will never completely stop. You must acknowledge that.
I can promise you that they will become MUCH easier to deal with. Right now it probably feels as if the cravings are ruling your thoughts. At some point you may even go days without ever getting a craving.
But you shouldn't worry about the future. Just today. Deal with the cravings for today.
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Trying to quit forever is impossible, quit for today.
All of us will quit forever. Some of us have decided to kick the quit off while we're still alive.
rgross, please read from some of the site, specifically the Why iy Works section:
One of the things that we do on the QSX Boards is post roll. It is a promise to ourselves and to our quit bretheren that we will not chew that day. No one is ever talking about quitting forever. We realize that a concept like "forever" is very difficult for an addicted chewer to cope with
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Trying to quit forever is impossible, quit for today.
All of us will quit forever. Some of us have decided to kick the quit off while we're still alive.
rgross, please read from some of the site, specifically the Why iy Works section:
One of the things that we do on the QSX Boards is post roll. It is a promise to ourselves and to our quit bretheren that we will not chew that day. No one is ever talking about quitting forever. We realize that a concept like "forever" is very difficult for an addicted chewer to cope with
All we got is TODAY baby .... POST ROLL and promise your brothers sisters your comittment to stay QUIT TODAY ... QLF ... Then do it all again tomorrow ....
Then again ... do it your way, and good luck to ya .... 'na na'
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If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
Then your mind is not right and you are not ready for this. your defenses still have huge gaping holes and need restructured.
Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision.
On what, rather you should be quitting or not. Then your mind is not right and you are not ready for this. your defenses still have huge gaping holes and need restructured.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
The end game is with the lights go out. The last breath is taken. That is when you are no longer an addict. At Day 955- I can tell you that you will still have an occasional crave. THIS IS A LIFELONG FIGHT, IT IS NEVER OVER!!!!!!
Your epiphany will come sooner or later. STOP LEAVING YOURSELF AN OUT...IT WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.
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If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
Fail.
What are you willing to do to quit?
You think this is impossible, because you are looking too far ahead. Worry about the six inches in front of your face.
Can you quit for the next 5 minutes? Then the next 5?
When you look back, it'll be 10 years.
The answer is all over the place.
We quit now. Right fucking now.
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If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
Fail.
What are you willing to do to quit?
You think this is impossible, because you are looking too far ahead. Worry about the six inches in front of your face.
Can you quit for the next 5 minutes? Then the next 5?
When you look back, it'll be 10 years.
The answer is all over the place.
We quit now. Right fucking now.
There is no end to this game.
I stopped dipping for 2 1/2 years, then I gave into a craving and caved. I didn't realize I was an addict and thought I could have just one.
There's no magic number. Every day the cravings get weaker, fewer and far between, but they will always be out there to tickle your taint from time to time.
Posting roll DAILY is not just a promise, it's a reminder to yourself that you are an addict and succeptable to caving if you let your guard down.
jjprice - 108 - and I am an addict.
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My relationships(friends and GF) are suffering because I am craving and thus nasty. Business is suffering because of the nasty anti-social attitude.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is.
carumba10 - I have a couple thoughts. First, I love your posts. I think you really put out what you think and feel. At the beginning, I thought you were always planing a time that you would cave. Not anymore, I don't know your line of work but I am guessing it has to do with forecasting and controlling or determining the outcome.
It seems like your mind must look at the future and facts of the past and determine what is going to happen before you get there. So thinking only for today is so opposite of your nature.
I bet if you go on vacation, the cost of the vacation, the activities and agenda must be planned and organized so you can already know what the reward of the vacation is going to be. This is all just a guess on my part but I have come to love your posts. I don't think you are planning a cave, I think you need to forecast and do a risk analysis of the potential outcomes. If they don't go the way you planed then you will feel like you lost control.
So the contradiction that I think are misunderstandings on the site. Don't think about tomorrow, only think about today. Then the weekend comes and the vets tell everyone to have a plan so that they don't cave. The plan is simple for me. Post roll, and just say no. (I included alcohol)
You are going into a territory that is very foreign to you. Trust that what your heart tells you is right vs. the logical feeling of being an addict and feeling like shit all the time.
When I quit: I weight 185 lbs. Last weekend, I was 210!!!! How hard that was for me. I couldn't poop right and I felt everything that I controlled while addicted was falling apart. However, I feel in love with the quit. I figured, when I get control of this addiction, then I can gain self confidence to control other things. I lost 4 lbs and weight 206 today.
The pain is temporary, triggers are there, but the desire to stay quit gets stronger so the triggers can't compete with the strength.
I think this quit is going to teach you a lot more than abstaining from nicotine. I think you are going to see that once you are on course, you don't have to analyze the map every second. You might look up and see a beautiful world that you never paid attention to because you never put it in the itinerary.
I loved going on drives by myself to get a dip. If my son wanted to come, he threw a wrench in that plan. Now I ask my son to go with me. Why, I love that kid. He is so fun to have around and our talks hands down beat any alone time sucking on a carcinogen and spitting in a bottle. When I quit, I never predicted that. It just happened. Love the quit and worry about today. Take a deep breath and don't predict your end result focused only on getting to your destination. Just enjoy the experiences and breath. Just smile and live a quit free life.
I'm not a hippy, I am a control freak but this experience has been exciting because each day is unpredictable. I embraced the suck of it and quite enjoy the new experiences. No matter what tomorrow brings, it is better quit. That I truly believe.
If it is a bad day, it could have been worse if I dipped.
If it is a good day, it is so much better because I am Quit.
That's all.
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If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
Fail.
What are you willing to do to quit?
You think this is impossible, because you are looking too far ahead. Worry about the six inches in front of your face.
Can you quit for the next 5 minutes? Then the next 5?
When you look back, it'll be 10 years.
The answer is all over the place.
We quit now. Right fucking now.
There is no end to this game.
I stopped dipping for 2 1/2 years, then I gave into a craving and caved. I didn't realize I was an addict and thought I could have just one.
There's no magic number. Every day the cravings get weaker, fewer and far between, but they will always be out there to tickle your taint from time to time.
Posting roll DAILY is not just a promise, it's a reminder to yourself that you are an addict and succeptable to caving if you let your guard down.
jjprice - 108 - and I am an addict.
I am going to write a lot about this when I get home and pick some words of wisdom for you to read. WOW is loaded with answers.
Short Answer = index.php?showtopic=4512 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4512)
Friend, you are not a unique and special butterfly, you are a drug addict. I know, so am I. There is nothing that can be done henceforth to change our state. We either are users or quitters.
Go look in the mirror and say it to yourself, I am a drug addict. When I use my drug and then quit it makes me a selfish fucking ass. I turn into a prick. It shall pass. My addiction to nicotine shall never pass. Never. Ever.
It gets better, I know, day 503 rocks dude. Focus on one day at a time. More to follow...... :)
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sac up nancy boy - do you think you're the only who has ever felt this pain and anguish while going through their quit
clue in here YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST AND YOU WONT BE THE LAST
it's called the suck the funk and any other name you can put on it - no one on KTC has a magic ball to say it will take you "X" number of days to get past this phase.
You're just like me - reprogramming our minds and bodies after years (35 in my case) of nicotine abuse.
Wake up - post roll with our exact number of days quit
Fulfill your promise
Repeat tomorrow
Peace Out and QLF
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If it takes 10 years, I won't do that.
I can deal with all that if I know what and when the end game is. Thats' what I am trying to figure out so I can make an informed decision. I have read through the site and can't really find the answer....or the answers I do find conflict with one another.
Fail.
What are you willing to do to quit?
You think this is impossible, because you are looking too far ahead. Worry about the six inches in front of your face.
Can you quit for the next 5 minutes? Then the next 5?
When you look back, it'll be 10 years.
The answer is all over the place.
We quit now. Right fucking now.
There is no end to this game.
I stopped dipping for 2 1/2 years, then I gave into a craving and caved. I didn't realize I was an addict and thought I could have just one.
There's no magic number. Every day the cravings get weaker, fewer and far between, but they will always be out there to tickle your taint from time to time.
Posting roll DAILY is not just a promise, it's a reminder to yourself that you are an addict and succeptable to caving if you let your guard down.
jjprice - 108 - and I am an addict.
I am going to write a lot about this when I get home and pick some words of wisdom for you to read. WOW is loaded with answers.
Short Answer = index.php?showtopic=4512 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=4512)
Friend, you are not a unique and special butterfly, you are a drug addict. I know, so am I. There is nothing that can be done henceforth to change our state. We either are users or quitters.
Go look in the mirror and say it to yourself, I am a drug addict. When I use my drug and then quit it makes me a selfish fucking ass. I turn into a prick. It shall pass. My addiction to nicotine shall never pass. Never. Ever.
It gets better, I know, day 503 rocks dude. Focus on one day at a time. More to follow...... :)
I do not have a lot of time right now but lets get some reading material. First symptoms: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp) and http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp)
Now read Skoal Monster. He is awesome. index.php?showtopic=2573 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2573)
If nothing else, I get to re-read skoal monster.
Now, to tap my own shoulder read some scowick:
Addiction, Self-Identity and 1 Day at a Time.
Breaking the physical addiction to nic is simple. It is unpleasant, but simple, and only lasts 72 hours.
The psychological component to quitting is the real journey. Begin the journey by inventing a new self-identity. The Quitter.
Say, “I AM QUIT”.
You are not “quitting”. You are not “trying” to quit. You ARE quit. It is a state of being. The psychological term is “Identity Development”. There is no try, there is. It is now part of your identity. “Quit” is who you are.
Also, observe the user that is contemplating quitting but would rather quit tomorrow or next week. You see, 72 hours of physical withdrawal is nothing to the user because the user has been managing physical withdrawal symptoms the entire duration of the addiction. What is scary? Can the addict fundamentally change his/her Self-Identity? Can the addict quit for the rest of his/her life? Quit for the rest of your life? How is that possible? These notions can scare a potential quitter into choosing addiction over freedom.
There is good news friend. You do not have to quit for the rest of your life. Simply choose to quit today. Do not worry about baseball next March. Do not worry about next monthÂ’s exams. Do not worry about TuesdayÂ’s deadline. Quit today. The body will adjust. The psyche will adjust. You will gradually and often unnoticeably reinvent what it is to be you. You shall be restored one day at a time.
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Starting day 40
Days 10-19 = Craves and funks
Days 20-29 = funky craves
Days 30-39 = cravey funks
Days 40-49 = ? tough to anticipate
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Starting day 40
Days 10-19 = Craves and funks
Days 20-29 = funky craves
Days 30-39 = cravey funks
Days 40-49 = ? tough to anticipate
Worry about today, stop looking ahead.
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Starting day 40
Days 10-19 = Craves and funks
Days 20-29 = funky craves
Days 30-39 = cravey funks
Days 40-49 = ? tough to anticipate
Worry about today, stop looking ahead.
Klark hit the nail on the head. Just worry about today. Break it down to the hour, minute if you have to. Just stay clean today !!
Wake up tomorrow and do the same thing...
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Starting day 40
Days 10-19 = Craves and funks
Days 20-29 = funky craves
Days 30-39 = cravey funks
Days 40-49 = ? tough to anticipate
Worry about today, stop looking ahead.
Klark hit the nail on the head. Just worry about today. Break it down to the hour, minute if you have to. Just stay clean today !!
Wake up tomorrow and do the same thing...
Day 50
Today is a fun day. I love day 50. I feel great. My wife digs the shit out of me lately. I still want to get laid more but she is so pleasant and fun.
My kids are awesome, I really am a blessed and lucky man.
Looking back on my journey. I value every emotion I have experienced. In this life, there must be an opposition in all things. How can you know what happiness is without sadness? How can you appreciate pleasure if you don't know pain? What is victory if you never taste defeat? What is a value if you have never been ripped off?
Carumba: be a sponge and embrace all your emotions. Then you will have a fond appreciation and understanding of what you want.
Now that you are going through a cleansing, your experience and growth will deter you from getting back in the slop. However, a dog returns to its vomit and a sow after being cleansed returns to the mud.
Are you a man, a dog or a pig? Learn, grow and be free! Don't go back because its hard or you are tired.
You are climbing a mountain. It is hard, you fight and battle. On occasion, you get to a peak and you are on top of the world.
Day 50 is like a Mountain Peak and I am on top of the world!!!!!!!!!
Stay the course and embrace the suck. Don't let the devil get you feeling too sorry for yourself. When I cave you can. Until then, walk a little behind me but keep walking and keep up!
PM me if you need a bitch slap. ;)
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You are climbing a mountain. It is hard, you fight and battle. On occasion, you get to a peak and you are on top of the world.
Day 50 is like a Mountain Peak and I am on top of the world!!!!!!!!!
Excellent
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Poor day.
All day seminar. Taking notes while craving.
2 beer to end the day...crave
Someone has tickets to a soccer game. So I go, have another beer and crave like hell.....and I hate soccer.
What's going to happen in 4 months when I tailgate at a Ducks game. When I have a cool dozen in me and I am at a football game that I love. Apparently I might have to avoid beer and avoid going to Autzen stadium and watching football.
Swell
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Poor day.
All day seminar. Taking notes while craving.
2 beer to end the day...crave
Someone has tickets to a soccer game. So I go, have another beer and crave like hell.....and I hate soccer.
What's going to happen in 4 months when I tailgate at a Ducks game. When I have a cool dozen in me and I am at a football game that I love. Apparently I might have to avoid beer and avoid going to Autzen stadium and watching football.
Swell
You can't worry about things or event that haven not even happened yet. I quit in August and I had a big fishing trip in December that was always filled with nicotine use int the past. I worked myself up, but when it comes time to actually go on the trip, I was fine. You have to do this one day at a time brother. By the time you get to your tailgating party, you will be stronger and you will now exactly how to deal with it. I promise you. Stay quit brother.
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Alright. Will worry about today. Off to the beach for first time this year. Beach at home not as big of trigger as beach in Hawaii but still a trigger.
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So I head over to 7-11 tonight because I have some late night munchies. I grab a newspaper and a coffee and stand in line. When it's my turn to pay I ask for two corndogs. While waiting for the corndogs I have my head down browsing the newspaper. When the clerk gets back I look up as she is handing me two tins of Copenhagen. She was so used to me ordering two Copenhagen at a time(because you buy two you get $1 off), that she misheard me when I ordered two corndogs.
So I corrected her and got my corndogs instead. Thought it was kinda funny.
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So I head over to 7-11 tonight because I have some late night munchies. I grab a newspaper and a coffee and stand in line. When it's my turn to pay I ask for two corndogs. While waiting for the corndogs I have my head down browsing the newspaper. When the clerk gets back I look up as she is handing me two tins of Copenhagen. She was so used to me ordering two Copenhagen at a time(because you buy two you get $1 off), that she misheard me when I ordered two corndogs.
So I corrected her and got my corndogs instead. Thought it was kinda funny.
Carumba - Your weirdness is starting to grow on me. Kinda like having trying to pee with a woody. BUT, who in the hell buys 2 corn dogs, a paper, and a coffee at 12 am from 7-11 when they have the munchies?? :D Do you eat them at the same time - one with ketchup, the other with mustard - kind of a corn dog bukake? Anyway, good job passing back the $1 off cancer cans. Stay weird and quit.
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So I head over to 7-11 tonight because I have some late night munchies. I grab a newspaper and a coffee and stand in line. When it's my turn to pay I ask for two corndogs. While waiting for the corndogs I have my head down browsing the newspaper. When the clerk gets back I look up as she is handing me two tins of Copenhagen. She was so used to me ordering two Copenhagen at a time(because you buy two you get $1 off), that she misheard me when I ordered two corndogs.
So I corrected her and got my corndogs instead. Thought it was kinda funny.
Carumba - Your weirdness is starting to grow on me. Kinda like having trying to pee with a woody. BUT, who in the hell buys 2 corn dogs, a paper, and a coffee at 12 am from 7-11 when they have the munchies?? :D Do you eat them at the same time - one with ketchup, the other with mustard - kind of a corn dog bukake? Anyway, good job passing back the $1 off cancer cans. Stay weird and quit.
With 100% certainty I am a tad weird. The 12am thing is a product of finishing midnight shift that morning. My internal clock hadn't switched over yet.
No ketchup. Both mustards.
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I know everyone says they "are quit" . I don't believe an addict is ever quit. All the long term quitters who have caved reinforce that belief. (yep, I know I will take shit over that comment)
This is heavy shit. If someone was actually "quit" they would never have to worry about nicotine again. We all know that isn't true. One false step and it is over.
Win the day....one day at a time. That is all an addict can do. Never forget. Never let your guard down. Never get complacent.
As sad as this cave is, it just reinforces to me the need to be vigilant and that a 10 year quiter is no different than a 1 day quiter. Each day you start anew. You gain no collateral by being quit for 10 years, because the next day both the 10 year guy and the 1 day guy are in the same boat. They are both addicts trying to quit for the day.
I copied this here because I didn't want to highjack Per's intro any further. Unfortunately, everyone but Per is posting in his intro.
Your observation about "are quit" will not garner shit taking because you are correct. Quitting is an action verb, not a state of carefree frolicking. Being quit doesn't mean your battle is done. In fact, our battle is not done until we die. We get stronger yes, but we will battle our addictive assess from now on - every day. We are all just one stop at the convenient store away from a day 1.
Stay vigilant carumba. Remind yourself everyday that you are an addict by posting roll, and don't ever let the nicotine scab completely heal over. You have become a bad ass quitter. I am proud to quit with you. And maybe share a late night corn dog.
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I know everyone says they "are quit" . I don't believe an addict is ever quit. All the long term quitters who have caved reinforce that belief. (yep, I know I will take shit over that comment)
This is heavy shit. If someone was actually "quit" they would never have to worry about nicotine again. We all know that isn't true. One false step and it is over.
Win the day....one day at a time. That is all an addict can do. Never forget. Never let your guard down. Never get complacent.
As sad as this cave is, it just reinforces to me the need to be vigilant and that a 10 year quiter is no different than a 1 day quiter. Each day you start anew. You gain no collateral by being quit for 10 years, because the next day both the 10 year guy and the 1 day guy are in the same boat. They are both addicts trying to quit for the day.
I copied this here because I didn't want to highjack Per's intro any further. Unfortunately, everyone but Per is posting in his intro.
Your observation about "are quit" will not garner shit taking because you are correct. Quitting is an action verb, not a state of carefree frolicking. Being quit doesn't mean your battle is done. In fact, our battle is not done until we die. We get stronger yes, but we will battle our addictive assess from now on - every day. We are all just one stop at the convenient store away from a day 1.
Stay vigilant carumba. Remind yourself everyday that you are an addict by posting roll, and don't ever let the nicotine scab completely heal over. You have become a bad ass quitter. I am proud to quit with you. And maybe share a late night corn dog.
Yep. Addicts have a daily chore. I read something about that once....
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I know everyone says they "are quit" . I don't believe an addict is ever quit. All the long term quitters who have caved reinforce that belief. (yep, I know I will take shit over that comment)
This is heavy shit. If someone was actually "quit" they would never have to worry about nicotine again. We all know that isn't true. One false step and it is over.
Win the day....one day at a time. That is all an addict can do. Never forget. Never let your guard down. Never get complacent.
As sad as this cave is, it just reinforces to me the need to be vigilant and that a 10 year quiter is no different than a 1 day quiter. Each day you start anew. You gain no collateral by being quit for 10 years, because the next day both the 10 year guy and the 1 day guy are in the same boat. They are both addicts trying to quit for the day.
I copied this here because I didn't want to highjack Per's intro any further. Unfortunately, everyone but Per is posting in his intro.
Your observation about "are quit" will not garner shit taking because you are correct. Quitting is an action verb, not a state of carefree frolicking. Being quit doesn't mean your battle is done. In fact, our battle is not done until we die. We get stronger yes, but we will battle our addictive assess from now on - every day. We are all just one stop at the convenient store away from a day 1.
Stay vigilant carumba. Remind yourself everyday that you are an addict by posting roll, and don't ever let the nicotine scab completely heal over. You have become a bad ass quitter. I am proud to quit with you. And maybe share a late night corn dog.
Yep. Addicts have a daily chore. I read something about that once....
This is a great post! If i make it to July 17th... I will be on day 3,285 of quit (or sobriety).. with other substances.. after 9 years the crazy thoughts still come by on occasion that I can get away with one or two... but more than that and what scares the hell out of me is this! Sometimes I really think "FUCK IT!" I really don't give a shit anymore! Let's drink..snort.. dip down!!! This is very dangerous thinking for me... Here is the truth.. the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God!!! Every good thing I have in my life is because I have been given the grace/ability not to put poison into my body today... If i start letting poison back in my body everything will disappear... with some substances the shit goes quickly - it flies off the shelf... with tobacco it is a very slow and sneaky process... it can take years to get it all... but with guys like us.. it will get it.. See you on the Quit Strip! Gooch