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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Ty#7 on July 05, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it" I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
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Good going as we all tackle this and bury it deep without turning back.
was 23+ years here and just said no more, so I put it in the coffin and each day put another nail in it.
I'm with you for the quit.
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The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it.
I'd have a quick sale, get rid of what I had on hand, buy fake products (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp) and take the hit on my profits. Perfect opportunity to hand out KTC cards and urge people to quit.
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it" I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
The game starts when you post Roll Call bro.
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it"Â I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
The game starts when you post Roll Call bro.
Yea buddy, I'm liking the attitude already!! First thing is first, Loot is right..
Head over to your new home October'12 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6639) and post roll. We post roll everyday! It is giving your word to your quit brothers that you will not use any form of nic THAT DAY! One day at a time brother, that is how we quit here.
Go here to learn how to post roll (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=50)
This is a proven system so don't fuck with it. We take posting roll EVERYDAY very seriously. It's the accountability part that makes this site what it is. The other, in this quitter's opinion, the most important part is the brotherhood. So reach out to your quit brothers and get all the numbers you can gather. Use those numbers!! Check your inbox, you have one already.
Glad to be quit with you today,
Bruce
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it"Â I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
Ty#7.. I agree with Bruce.. I like your attitude.. A 20 year habit.. this is a very cunning foe.. Have you tried to quit before?? My guess is yes.. Then you found this site.. I have tried 100s of times to quit.. never worked til I took their advice here.. I'm 25 days in now.. It has been worth it.. Hang Tough.. Gooch
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it"Â I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
Ty#7.. I agree with Bruce.. I like your attitude.. A 20 year habit.. this is a very cunning foe.. Have you tried to quit before?? My guess is yes.. Then you found this site.. I have tried 100s of times to quit.. never worked til I took their advice here.. I'm 25 days in now.. It has been worth it.. Hang Tough.. Gooch
Nice roll call. Quit in day units of 1 and read and you will crush this bitch.
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it"Â I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
Ty#7.. I agree with Bruce.. I like your attitude.. A 20 year habit.. this is a very cunning foe.. Have you tried to quit before?? My guess is yes.. Then you found this site.. I have tried 100s of times to quit.. never worked til I took their advice here.. I'm 25 days in now.. It has been worth it.. Hang Tough.. Gooch
I've tried numerous times to quit.....just to shut people up. That will never work. This time it's for me.
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8 days ago i looked into the eyes of the beast and said FUCK YOU. I am done with Skoal. I told my uncle who has been dip free for 21 yrs how hard it was just during those 1st few days. He told me "i never said it would be easy, i said it would be worth it"Â I'm 33 yrs old and have dipped skoal straight for 13 yrs. Can a day. I thought it was the cool thing to do. I thought all college baseball players were supposed to do it. I thought wrong. The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it. GAME ON MUTHAFUCKA
Ty#7.. I agree with Bruce.. I like your attitude.. A 20 year habit.. this is a very cunning foe.. Have you tried to quit before?? My guess is yes.. Then you found this site.. I have tried 100s of times to quit.. never worked til I took their advice here.. I'm 25 days in now.. It has been worth it.. Hang Tough.. Gooch
I've tried numerous times to quit.....just to shut people up. That will never work. This time it's for me.
Finally for the only reason that will work!!
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
Amen Ty.... treat everyday like it's day 1!
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
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Every day is day 1?
Of all the days to say that...
No reason to try to change this site. What you're looking for can be found elsewhere.
Hit QUOTE and find the hidden clue which follows this sentence: www.quitsmokeless.org (http://www.quitsmokeless.org)
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
Hey there Ty,
completely understand but what I have also seen is that some of the recent cavers have been a part of other's lives here and a special part of remaining quit for many of days, and the caving that has been done, is seen a little bit as a betrayal of trust between them.
Me, I have no idea who some of these people are but I do feel the ire that they have raised between those in their groups.
I will say though no matter the number I am concentrated on putting the nic bitch into the coffin and burying it into my past And if you are of the same mind, then lets promise one another to kick this thing togeher one day at a time.
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Holy Crap! Slamming my head against the wall with this one. Just painfully stupid, special butterfly stuff here. Thousands of days quit, thousands of quitters that have accepted the KTC way and lived the freedom earned one day at a time but you know how to do it better? Fuck me. You don't have to be a robot but don't walk into our nice house shit on the carpet and then tell us we are idiots for using the toilet.
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Every day is day 1?
Of all the days to say that...
No reason to try to change this site. What you're looking for can be found elsewhere.
Hit QUOTE and find the hidden clue which follows this sentence: www.quitsmokeless.org (http://www.quitsmokeless.org)
This.
Plus what my brother Steve said. (I can't figure out how to multi quote)
10 days in and you've got it all figured out.
'Popcorn'
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Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
Following your logic we are helpless against a cave. It is what is known as a defeatist mindset: Allow me to introduce you to the KTC mindset:
1. Post Roll
2. Honor Your Promise
3. Repeat.
A cave will not happen to anyone who follows those three steps.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
this is how you're supposed to act towards cavers. you're supposed to shit on them and make them feel worthless and be angry and unforgiving. that's what we deserve. and that's what you deserve. if i came back to open arms and rainbows and lollipops, what lesson does that teach new quitters? if the reaction to cavers is "it's ok, we forgive you, come on back" then caving becomes an option. caving is not an option. i forgot that - and i'm getting everything i deserve.
you view this as a lack of support for cavers like me. i view it as an expression of support for quitters like you.
i get my support right now from those that know me well enough to want to give me support. i don't deserve support from those that don't know me. i don't deserve support from anyone in october 2012 because all you know me as is a caver who came crawling back and has only posted for 13 days. there's no confidence there. i have not earned your trust. i get that. all retreads get that.
retreads know what they're in for when they come back because we've been here long enough to see it before. we know when we come back it's going to be ugly as fuck. and what does that say about ktc versus the "other" site? i'd rather get my balls ripped off here than go "there" because i know here works. there i'll get a hug. here i'll get a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. and here i have a better chance of staying quit because here is where people care.
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Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
Following your logic we are helpless against a cave. It is what is known as a defeatist mindset: Allow me to introduce you to the KTC mindset:
1. Post Roll
2. Honor Your Promise
3. Repeat.
A cave will not happen to anyone who follows those three steps.
'clap' 'clap'
Amen...
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Some of you guys are being a bit ridiculous. I don't think Ty is saying anything about reinventing the wheel. I do agree that a caver shouldn't come waltzing back onto KTC and expect every brother to accept him/her gracefully. So that is where I disagree. However Ty does point out something and that is treating everyday like day 1. I took this as him saying that it is important to treat everyday with the same seriousness and strong willed quit as day 1. Keeping up with the number of days quit is something that some people enjoy keeping up with and seeing how many days that they have stayed clean. Is this necessary for everyone? I dunno... maybe to me or to you, but not to other people like Ty. If you treat everyday like day one, does it really matter what day you are on? Quit acting like Ty just pissed all over KTC. He is upset that people are coming down on some cavers which he will learn is important, but Ty also has some valid points that I think are being misinterpreted.
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Some of you guys are being a bit ridiculous. I don't think Ty is saying anything about reinventing the wheel. I do agree that a caver shouldn't come waltzing back onto KTC and expect every brother to accept him/her gracefully. So that is where I disagree. However Ty does point out something and that is treating everyday like day 1. I took this as him saying that it is important to treat everyday with the same seriousness and strong willed quit as day 1. Keeping up with the number of days quit is something that some people enjoy keeping up with and seeing how many days that they have stayed clean. Is this necessary for everyone? I dunno... maybe to me or to you, but not to other people like Ty. If you treat everyday like day one, does it really matter what day you are on? Quit acting like Ty just pissed all over KTC. He is upset that people are coming down on some cavers which he will learn is important, but Ty also has some valid points that I think are being misinterpreted.
Thank you.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
this is how you're supposed to act towards cavers. you're supposed to shit on them and make them feel worthless and be angry and unforgiving. that's what we deserve. and that's what you deserve. if i came back to open arms and rainbows and lollipops, what lesson does that teach new quitters? if the reaction to cavers is "it's ok, we forgive you, come on back" then caving becomes an option. caving is not an option. i forgot that - and i'm getting everything i deserve.
you view this as a lack of support for cavers like me. i view it as an expression of support for quitters like you.
i get my support right now from those that know me well enough to want to give me support. i don't deserve support from those that don't know me. i don't deserve support from anyone in october 2012 because all you know me as is a caver who came crawling back and has only posted for 13 days. there's no confidence there. i have not earned your trust. i get that. all retreads get that.
retreads know what they're in for when they come back because we've been here long enough to see it before. we know when we come back it's going to be ugly as fuck. and what does that say about ktc versus the "other" site? i'd rather get my balls ripped off here than go "there" because i know here works. there i'll get a hug. here i'll get a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. and here i have a better chance of staying quit because here is where people care.
I saw your post in your group. Good on ya. Shows you are willing to listen and learn. Not gonna say we are all right all the time. You will get quite a few opinions on this site. You will also get various advice.
I have seen many cycles on this site and I can say 99.99% of the posts you read are from people who are trying to help you stay quit or keep themselves quit. Both are acceptable.
Then there are the .01% that are just dooshes.
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Per034 speaks from recent experience and he speaks the truth. He has taken the time to post what he did to help others (You specifically but anyone else who comes accross this thread) That will strengthen his quit.
You can do this. I know things just don't seem right. I get that. Poke around a bit. Read everything you can. Maybe go read a group from their very first posts to now. One of my favorites for gaining knowledge with quite a bit of hilarity sprinkled in is April 09. An oldy but a goody.
Give the place a chance.
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Some of you guys are being a bit ridiculous. I don't think Ty is saying anything about reinventing the wheel. I do agree that a caver shouldn't come waltzing back onto KTC and expect every brother to accept him/her gracefully. So that is where I disagree. However Ty does point out something and that is treating everyday like day 1. I took this as him saying that it is important to treat everyday with the same seriousness and strong willed quit as day 1. Keeping up with the number of days quit is something that some people enjoy keeping up with and seeing how many days that they have stayed clean. Is this necessary for everyone? I dunno... maybe to me or to you, but not to other people like Ty. If you treat everyday like day one, does it really matter what day you are on? Quit acting like Ty just pissed all over KTC. He is upset that people are coming down on some cavers which he will learn is important, but Ty also has some valid points that I think are being misinterpreted.
I believe Ty was getting some "attention" not because he choses to treat everyday like day one, but because he said he was no longer going to post his number. Maybe this is not re-inventing the place, but it is definitely a in-your-face way of stating that he will not be following the customs that seem to have worked well for me.
Quitting one day at a time is a good thing that will get no arguments. period. As I told Ty in a PM, there ARE good reasons to post the number. Ty gets it-- one day at a time is key. We should be so lucky to have more like Ty.
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Jesus fucking Jesus. If I treated every day like day one, I would be an ignorant tweaker for all eternity. I'll take my 1,513 days of knowledge and accountability. Even if my man 65 faded off into the c-store tonight, that number alone would be enough to keep me quit. Tomorrow I plan to quit like it's day 1,514. I keep track so I never take my quit as an absolute. I'm still an addict, just like I was on day one. Don't let the days become one. Celebrate daily victories. I'm quitting, not quit.
Trust in the system. When I say you don't know shit, rest assured it's coming with love from an ex-know-it-all turkeytwat. You don't know shit. And your rhetoric reeks of dodging accountability.
It won't happen to me. If anything happens, I'll happen to it.
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Some of you guys are being a bit ridiculous. I don't think Ty is saying anything about reinventing the wheel. I do agree that a caver shouldn't come waltzing back onto KTC and expect every brother to accept him/her gracefully. So that is where I disagree. However Ty does point out something and that is treating everyday like day 1. I took this as him saying that it is important to treat everyday with the same seriousness and strong willed quit as day 1. Keeping up with the number of days quit is something that some people enjoy keeping up with and seeing how many days that they have stayed clean. Is this necessary for everyone? I dunno... maybe to me or to you, but not to other people like Ty. If you treat everyday like day one, does it really matter what day you are on? Quit acting like Ty just pissed all over KTC. He is upset that people are coming down on some cavers which he will learn is important, but Ty also has some valid points that I think are being misinterpreted.
Thank you.
You two don't get it.
If you treat every day as Day 1 (insert member of Feb 12 here) you never heal. You don't grow. You won't ever beat this addiction.
I don't want to go through Day 1 ever again. Ever.
Nolaq - 849
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Some of you guys are being a bit ridiculous. I don't think Ty is saying anything about reinventing the wheel. I do agree that a caver shouldn't come waltzing back onto KTC and expect every brother to accept him/her gracefully. So that is where I disagree. However Ty does point out something and that is treating everyday like day 1. I took this as him saying that it is important to treat everyday with the same seriousness and strong willed quit as day 1. Keeping up with the number of days quit is something that some people enjoy keeping up with and seeing how many days that they have stayed clean. Is this necessary for everyone? I dunno... maybe to me or to you, but not to other people like Ty. If you treat everyday like day one, does it really matter what day you are on? Quit acting like Ty just pissed all over KTC. He is upset that people are coming down on some cavers which he will learn is important, but Ty also has some valid points that I think are being misinterpreted.
Thank you.
You two don't get it.
If you treat every day as Day 1 (insert member of Feb 12 here) you never heal. You don't grow. You won't ever beat this addiction.
I don't want to go through Day 1 ever again. Ever.
Nolaq - 849
I'll tell you why I don't like this Day 1 thing. And I am only speaking for Coach Steve here.
My Day 1 involved a rather unpleasant trip to the dentist. My Day 1 included words like corroded gum tissue, biopsy, cancer, oral surgeon. My Day 1 was the culmination of 2 years of thinking that I was going to get and die of cancer because of something I wasn't strong enough to quit. My Day 1 brought tears to my eyes...in front of my wife no less. My Day 1 had me curled up in a ball on my recliner with my head buried in my hands unable to do anything. I've never felt weaker than I did on Day 1. My Day 1 was my first step towards freedom after 16 years of slavery. Day 1 was the day I took my life back, but I have no intentions of repeating it. Today is Day 183 and I'm damn proud of it.
Ty, I'm glad that your Day 1 was apparently rainbows and sunshine.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
Coach Steve and Ready nailed it.
Guys: Never forget that quitting is a choice, and caving is a choice.
If you think that caving can happen to any of us against your will, even your uncle, you need to stick around, get angry, and learn how to gain power over your addiction.
Coach Steve, Ready, and all of the badass quitters on this site aren't just lucky to be quit, they have worked hard and earned it. They own their quits. Aspire to this.
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Hey Ty
Thanks for putting up your number in Oct. Now I know that you didn't cave yesterday and that you are a newb and still learning how things work here. I also know that at day 14 you are probably starting to feel pretty damn good and your wanting to put your mark on the group. Good on you, that's how its supposed to be. I also know that by day 20 or so you are probably in for some setbacks so you will be educated about "funks". 40s and 50s were cruise control for me but I got sick and tired of the site. Funks hit our group pretty hard at around 70.
See, the numbers do mean something not only to you but to the people helping you and to the people holding you accountable. Every new group has a few that want to mess with the system cuz they disagree with it. It works and you will see that in due time. Shit I couldn't even see a system when I was at day 14.
I hope we're all around when you hit 100 to celebrate with you.
DW3 - 249 PM me if you need anything.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? . I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
Coach Steve and Ready nailed it.
Guys: Never forget that quitting is a choice, and caving is a choice.
If you think that caving can happen to any of us against your will, even your uncle, you need to stick around, get angry, and learn how to gain power over your addiction.
Coach Steve, Ready, and all of the badass quitters on this site aren't just lucky to be quit, they have worked hard and earned it. They own their quits. Aspire to this.
Because you/I could be next
See Ty, I disagree with the above statement because it will not be me, not today, because I posted roll. I made the mistake of stopping roll after 140 days when i made HOF with with Feb 2012. I came back in and got beat up pretty good and I am grateful for every comment. I deserved every bit of it. Posting roll matters and so do the numbers. My number today is 83 and today I quit with you.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? . I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
Coach Steve and Ready nailed it.
Guys: Never forget that quitting is a choice, and caving is a choice.
If you think that caving can happen to any of us against your will, even your uncle, you need to stick around, get angry, and learn how to gain power over your addiction.
Coach Steve, Ready, and all of the badass quitters on this site aren't just lucky to be quit, they have worked hard and earned it. They own their quits. Aspire to this.
Because you/I could be next
See Ty, I disagree with the above statement because it will not be me, not today, because I posted roll. I made the mistake of stopping roll after 140 days when i made HOF with with Feb 2012. I came back in and got beat up pretty good and I am grateful for every comment. I deserved every bit of it. Posting roll matters and so do the numbers. My number today is 83 and today I quit with you.
I was on day 19 when Buddy came back and he took a shit load of crap! I had similar feelings as Ty at the time, I had already voiced a opinion and got beat for not taking posting roll seriously enough. I decided to stand back and learn, I didn't rush in and support Buddy but decided to let him prove himself first. He has successfully proven his quit other retreads have not! Understanding comes with time!
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Read this (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?act=Post&CODE=02&f=25&t=6732)
And this... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6160)
Not done yet... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6462)
Keep going... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6649)
Getting it yet? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5760)
How about now? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5594)
Are we there yet? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5560)
You get the message - I estimate fully 25% of the words of wisdom are about cavers and their impact on the collective. If you dont know where to find the words of wisdom, click here (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41)
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? . I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
Excellent summary Coach.
Without accountability, this site is useless to you.
Your choice.
Coach Steve and Ready nailed it.
Guys: Never forget that quitting is a choice, and caving is a choice.
If you think that caving can happen to any of us against your will, even your uncle, you need to stick around, get angry, and learn how to gain power over your addiction.
Coach Steve, Ready, and all of the badass quitters on this site aren't just lucky to be quit, they have worked hard and earned it. They own their quits. Aspire to this.
Because you/I could be next
See Ty, I disagree with the above statement because it will not be me, not today, because I posted roll. I made the mistake of stopping roll after 140 days when i made HOF with with Feb 2012. I came back in and got beat up pretty good and I am grateful for every comment. I deserved every bit of it. Posting roll matters and so do the numbers. My number today is 83 and today I quit with you.
I was on day 19 when Buddy came back and he took a shit load of crap! I had similar feelings as Ty at the time, I had already voiced a opinion and got beat for not taking posting roll seriously enough. I decided to stand back and learn, I didn't rush in and support Buddy but decided to let him prove himself first. He has successfully proven his quit other retreads have not! Understanding comes with time!
cmark~ first Ty ... thanks for raising this topic .. I have seen it rise from time to time in my short 101 days .... I think WT is onto something .... what he writes just Above is important. Not just because I happen to agree .... but because everyone is an example.... there are good ones; and there are bad ones .. learn from them all! Everyone is a teacher mate! Above all.. dont get all emotionally wrapped up in stuff (other than Quit) in your first few days .... the emotional drain is No Worth It! PM me anytime .... You have a good Quit going ... Cheers Mark
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
If you are 100% supportive, how can it be conditional? Conditions bring that percentage down a bit, don't you think?
I was a part of this site for a day... yeah, a day. And you know why? Because when I first got here, I just wanted to use your chat- nowhere else had a chat with people getting over nicotine. But after a few hours I got heavily persuaded to sign up on the main site and to post roll... I had NO IDEA what roll call was "all about" as I found out the next day. Apparently it is a permission slip for everyone to yell at you if you relapse at all.
You say it's a proven and established system, but you aren't a formal scientist. You aren't taking into consideration all of the people you have scared away in your so-called "proven" system. You are merely making claims you cannot honestly support just to justify putting others down so that you can feel like you are strong enough to continue quitting.
Now, I get it. It does feel all great to put someone else down because they failed; it's like yelling at that weak part of yourself that wants to do the same thing. But it's not healthy. It's not good for them, and it's even worse for YOU. Because all this yelling and craziness makes you a prisoner to the effects of nicotine. You are so scared to relapse you can't allow yourself to feel it and let it go. You will be doing this crap for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you don't stop to consider empathy and compassion. Accountability and bullying are two different things.
TY never said anything about it being against your will. The thing is, it was all our will to start up this terrible habit, wasn't it? That means we could end up choosing it again. Even after we have decided to quit. That was the point he was going for. And yet you all seem to be too afraid to admit it was your choice that got you here to begin with. It's sad, really.
I truly hope that this TY hasn't been scared off from the idea of freeing himself from this habitual choice just because you lot can't find it in your hearts to empathize.
And you say it's NEVER a surprise to the caver? It was a surprise to me, no one had told me a thing about what would happen. It's those cavers that need this help the most, and you turn them back to the drug by stressing them further. You really think the cave had no effect on them BEFORE you all started your cajoling? I know first hand it feels like hell just admitting it at all. However, getting flak about it makes it feel like the pain of disappointing yourself is preferable to the pain of being roasted by a mob online.
So I'd like to know how many people have signed up on this site since its inception? And how many of them are STILL HERE? How many have quit? Stayed quit? How many relapsed? How does that compare to other methods? Until you can get these figures, continuing to spout that this is a "proven system" is a false claim that is not supported by actual data. And that means your justification for bullying people in need of honest support is also false. Tough love is not the way for addiction. Research any report by a true professional on rehabilitation and addictions and you would know the best method is forgiveness, patience, understanding and consistency. The only thing you guys have is consistency... for being cruel to those that truly need help.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
If you are 100% supportive, how can it be conditional? Conditions bring that percentage down a bit, don't you think?
I was a part of this site for a day... yeah, a day. And you know why? Because when I first got here, I just wanted to use your chat- nowhere else had a chat with people getting over nicotine. But after a few hours I got heavily persuaded to sign up on the main site and to post roll... I had NO IDEA what roll call was "all about" as I found out the next day. Apparently it is a permission slip for everyone to yell at you if you relapse at all.
You say it's a proven and established system, but you aren't a formal scientist. You aren't taking into consideration all of the people you have scared away in your so-called "proven" system. You are merely making claims you cannot honestly support just to justify putting others down so that you can feel like you are strong enough to continue quitting.
Now, I get it. It does feel all great to put someone else down because they failed; it's like yelling at that weak part of yourself that wants to do the same thing. But it's not healthy. It's not good for them, and it's even worse for YOU. Because all this yelling and craziness makes you a prisoner to the effects of nicotine. You are so scared to relapse you can't allow yourself to feel it and let it go. You will be doing this crap for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you don't stop to consider empathy and compassion. Accountability and bullying are two different things.
TY never said anything about it being against your will. The thing is, it was all our will to start up this terrible habit, wasn't it? That means we could end up choosing it again. Even after we have decided to quit. That was the point he was going for. And yet you all seem to be too afraid to admit it was your choice that got you here to begin with. It's sad, really.
I truly hope that this TY hasn't been scared off from the idea of freeing himself from this habitual choice just because you lot can't find it in your hearts to empathize.
And you say it's NEVER a surprise to the caver? It was a surprise to me, no one had told me a thing about what would happen. It's those cavers that need this help the most, and you turn them back to the drug by stressing them further. You really think the cave had no effect on them BEFORE you all started your cajoling? I know first hand it feels like hell just admitting it at all. However, getting flak about it makes it feel like the pain of disappointing yourself is preferable to the pain of being roasted by a mob online.
So I'd like to know how many people have signed up on this site since its inception? And how many of them are STILL HERE? How many have quit? Stayed quit? How many relapsed? How does that compare to other methods? Until you can get these figures, continuing to spout that this is a "proven system" is a false claim that is not supported by actual data. And that means your justification for bullying people in need of honest support is also false. Tough love is not the way for addiction. Research any report by a true professional on rehabilitation and addictions and you would know the best method is forgiveness, patience, understanding and consistency. The only thing you guys have is consistency... for being cruel to those that truly need help.
You act as if you are powerless-We stand in complete opposition to that.
We believe that YOU have the power of choice. Quitting is a choice. Caving is a choice. Honouring your word ....or not - is a choice.
Understand that you are an ADDICT. Go to any addiction treatment facility that deals with alcohol or drugs, do you see the staff there telling the addicts that it's ok to fail? No. Do they meet addicts with kind and gentle words? No. You want to know why? BECAUSE THAT APPROACH DOESN'T WORK.
I am living proof that this works.
30yrAddict 523 days of freedom and steel-toed ass kicking
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
If you are 100% supportive, how can it be conditional? Conditions bring that percentage down a bit, don't you think?
I was a part of this site for a day... yeah, a day. And you know why? Because when I first got here, I just wanted to use your chat- nowhere else had a chat with people getting over nicotine. But after a few hours I got heavily persuaded to sign up on the main site and to post roll... I had NO IDEA what roll call was "all about" as I found out the next day. Apparently it is a permission slip for everyone to yell at you if you relapse at all.
You say it's a proven and established system, but you aren't a formal scientist. You aren't taking into consideration all of the people you have scared away in your so-called "proven" system. You are merely making claims you cannot honestly support just to justify putting others down so that you can feel like you are strong enough to continue quitting.
Now, I get it. It does feel all great to put someone else down because they failed; it's like yelling at that weak part of yourself that wants to do the same thing. But it's not healthy. It's not good for them, and it's even worse for YOU. Because all this yelling and craziness makes you a prisoner to the effects of nicotine. You are so scared to relapse you can't allow yourself to feel it and let it go. You will be doing this crap for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you don't stop to consider empathy and compassion. Accountability and bullying are two different things.
TY never said anything about it being against your will. The thing is, it was all our will to start up this terrible habit, wasn't it? That means we could end up choosing it again. Even after we have decided to quit. That was the point he was going for. And yet you all seem to be too afraid to admit it was your choice that got you here to begin with. It's sad, really.
I truly hope that this TY hasn't been scared off from the idea of freeing himself from this habitual choice just because you lot can't find it in your hearts to empathize.
And you say it's NEVER a surprise to the caver? It was a surprise to me, no one had told me a thing about what would happen. It's those cavers that need this help the most, and you turn them back to the drug by stressing them further. You really think the cave had no effect on them BEFORE you all started your cajoling? I know first hand it feels like hell just admitting it at all. However, getting flak about it makes it feel like the pain of disappointing yourself is preferable to the pain of being roasted by a mob online.
So I'd like to know how many people have signed up on this site since its inception? And how many of them are STILL HERE? How many have quit? Stayed quit? How many relapsed? How does that compare to other methods? Until you can get these figures, continuing to spout that this is a "proven system" is a false claim that is not supported by actual data. And that means your justification for bullying people in need of honest support is also false. Tough love is not the way for addiction. Research any report by a true professional on rehabilitation and addictions and you would know the best method is forgiveness, patience, understanding and consistency. The only thing you guys have is consistency... for being cruel to those that truly need help.
You act as if you are powerless-We stand in complete opposition to that.
We believe that YOU have the power of choice. Quitting is a choice. Caving is a choice. Honouring your word ....or not - is a choice.
Understand that you are an ADDICT. Go to any addiction treatment facility that deals with alcohol or drugs, do you see the staff there telling the addicts that it's ok to fail? No. Do they meet addicts with kind and gentle words? No. You want to know why? BECAUSE THAT APPROACH DOESN'T WORK.
I am living proof that this works.
30yrAddict 523 days of freedom and steel-toed ass kicking
Ty, this concern has been brought up many times. During my time I sided with youR feelings on this subject, then sided with vets sometimes I didn't really know where I sided. Then I had this moment watching my son jump on the trampoline. It was an a ha moment for me.
Trust me when I say, put this concern on the shelf for a time. Get around 80 quit days under your belt. Revisit this concern. Don't say we shouldn't do it. Search for the reason why a repentant caver gets his ass kicked. However, I didn't get it until I went through the fog, funk, depression, energy, and confident phases. If you don't think it right to put a beat down, you don't have to.
A caver is going to get a can of whoop ass opened on them if they cave. Hint: it is for their own good.
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Read this (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?act=Post&CODE=02&f=25&t=6732)
And this... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6160)
Not done yet... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6462)
Keep going... (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6649)
Getting it yet? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5760)
How about now? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5594)
Are we there yet? (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5560)
You get the message - I estimate fully 25% of the words of wisdom are about cavers and their impact on the collective. If you dont know where to find the words of wisdom, click here (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=41)
bump for anyone who needs a refresher.
Everyone of those links are reason why we act the way we do towards cavers.
As for numbers, if you adhere to the system here (post roll, honor your word, repeat) the success rate is 100%.
what other number do you need?
'Crazy'
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On the Joel Spitzer Why Quit forum, a person who starts smoking again has their posting privileges revoked.
So - I guess KTC is actually lenient in how it treats cavers.
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
If you are 100% supportive, how can it be conditional? Conditions bring that percentage down a bit, don't you think?
I was a part of this site for a day... yeah, a day. And you know why? Because when I first got here, I just wanted to use your chat- nowhere else had a chat with people getting over nicotine. But after a few hours I got heavily persuaded to sign up on the main site and to post roll... I had NO IDEA what roll call was "all about" as I found out the next day. Apparently it is a permission slip for everyone to yell at you if you relapse at all.
You say it's a proven and established system, but you aren't a formal scientist. You aren't taking into consideration all of the people you have scared away in your so-called "proven" system. You are merely making claims you cannot honestly support just to justify putting others down so that you can feel like you are strong enough to continue quitting.
Now, I get it. It does feel all great to put someone else down because they failed; it's like yelling at that weak part of yourself that wants to do the same thing. But it's not healthy. It's not good for them, and it's even worse for YOU. Because all this yelling and craziness makes you a prisoner to the effects of nicotine. You are so scared to relapse you can't allow yourself to feel it and let it go. You will be doing this crap for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you don't stop to consider empathy and compassion. Accountability and bullying are two different things.
TY never said anything about it being against your will. The thing is, it was all our will to start up this terrible habit, wasn't it? That means we could end up choosing it again. Even after we have decided to quit. That was the point he was going for. And yet you all seem to be too afraid to admit it was your choice that got you here to begin with. It's sad, really.
I truly hope that this TY hasn't been scared off from the idea of freeing himself from this habitual choice just because you lot can't find it in your hearts to empathize.
And you say it's NEVER a surprise to the caver? It was a surprise to me, no one had told me a thing about what would happen. It's those cavers that need this help the most, and you turn them back to the drug by stressing them further. You really think the cave had no effect on them BEFORE you all started your cajoling? I know first hand it feels like hell just admitting it at all. However, getting flak about it makes it feel like the pain of disappointing yourself is preferable to the pain of being roasted by a mob online.
So I'd like to know how many people have signed up on this site since its inception? And how many of them are STILL HERE? How many have quit? Stayed quit? How many relapsed? How does that compare to other methods? Until you can get these figures, continuing to spout that this is a "proven system" is a false claim that is not supported by actual data. And that means your justification for bullying people in need of honest support is also false. Tough love is not the way for addiction. Research any report by a true professional on rehabilitation and addictions and you would know the best method is forgiveness, patience, understanding and consistency. The only thing you guys have is consistency... for being cruel to those that truly need help.
Let me get this straight Izanami, you know since I'm not a scientist and all. You joined in April and were supposed to be in the July 12 pre-HOF group. You posted Day 1, caved the same day, posted Day 1 the next day and then chided us for not being compassionate. Then you disappeared and decide to resurface in Ty's Intro thread? Is that right? Do I need to be stenographer to confirm that record of events? Are you still quit? If not, GTFO.
I believe you also said that anyone who uses fake dip was a caver? Do I have that correct? Even though you admittedly smoked cloves to satisfy your cravings? I want to be sure about that since I'm not an anthropologist.
Bottom line, if you don't like the methods utilized here you are free to leave and never return.
I smell troll.
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Iza, do you even have a fucking brain?
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I fought the roll call at the start of my quit. I fought with people telling them I had no cravings and didn't need to come on here unless I had cravings. I got screamed at, ridiculed etc... I hated it. But I stuck around. I post roll four to seven days a week and defintiely on those days I feel weak. Today is 431.
I quit in the mid-90s for three years. I didn't have a place to post role. I caved and dipped for many more years, until 431 days ago. That's when I started to post roll. It works. I even texted folks to post for me. It works.
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I fought the roll call at the start of my quit. I fought with people telling them I had no cravings and didn't need to come on here unless I had cravings. I got screamed at, ridiculed etc... I hated it. But I stuck around. I post roll four to seven days a week and defintiely on those days I feel weak. Today is 431.
I quit in the mid-90s for three years. I didn't have a place to post role. I caved and dipped for many more years, until 431 days ago. That's when I started to post roll. It works. I even texted folks to post for me. It works.
It certainly does.
Follow the program... 994 for me today. Longest I have been clean since I was 14 years old...
Post roll
Keep your word
Repeat Daily.
QUIT
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I have only been apart of this site for 2 weeks now. I don't like what i see when someone has the balls to admit they caved. When they come on here and admit they caved a bunch of people kick them in the nuts when they are down. They know they fucked up. Yes they feel bad. You kicking sand in their face doesn't help. We need to be supportive when someone caves. Why? Because you/I could be next. I had an uncle cave after 21 fucking years last week. It can happen to anyone at anytime. We are all brothers sisters in the same fight. A fight against that dirty slut named nic. And if by chance you happen to fall off the horse......get back on and ride like a mofo. I am no longer counting the days of my quit. I know the day i quit. I am treating everyday like day 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Stay strong everyone. We are all in this.......TOGETHER!!!!!
You say it as if it's not a choice. We could be next? Like trip and fall and a dip or a cig fell in my mouth? It's a definite choice, always has been, always will be. I choose to quit like fuck today. But not because every day is Day 1. Today is Today.
We act that way towards cavers because they forgot, never learned or ignored the methods of quitting success practiced and preached on KTC every single day. The cavers need a refresher course in accountability and the newbs need to see accountability in action. Some call it a mob mentality, others call it internet bullying. Names such as keyboard cowboy, e-bully and dick blind are thrown around here by people that disagree with the KTC tactics. We should be supportive you say? I say we are 100% supportive, but our support is conditional. Only after the caver answers the questions, runs the gauntlet, and re-establishes his / her self as a daily roll poster does said caver receive support. That's not too much to ask and we shouldn't be given a fucking attitude in the process. What possible good does unconditional support provide when dealing with a nicotine addiction? Plus it's an established process that has been repeated time and time again. All you have to do is spend a few hours on KTC these days and you'll see how cavers get treated. Everyone knows the drill, it's never a surprise to the caver. What's wrong with a little added incentive not to fucking cave?
If you are 100% supportive, how can it be conditional? Conditions bring that percentage down a bit, don't you think?
I was a part of this site for a day... yeah, a day. And you know why? Because when I first got here, I just wanted to use your chat- nowhere else had a chat with people getting over nicotine. But after a few hours I got heavily persuaded to sign up on the main site and to post roll... I had NO IDEA what roll call was "all about" as I found out the next day. Apparently it is a permission slip for everyone to yell at you if you relapse at all.
You say it's a proven and established system, but you aren't a formal scientist. You aren't taking into consideration all of the people you have scared away in your so-called "proven" system. You are merely making claims you cannot honestly support just to justify putting others down so that you can feel like you are strong enough to continue quitting.
Now, I get it. It does feel all great to put someone else down because they failed; it's like yelling at that weak part of yourself that wants to do the same thing. But it's not healthy. It's not good for them, and it's even worse for YOU. Because all this yelling and craziness makes you a prisoner to the effects of nicotine. You are so scared to relapse you can't allow yourself to feel it and let it go. You will be doing this crap for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you don't stop to consider empathy and compassion. Accountability and bullying are two different things.
TY never said anything about it being against your will. The thing is, it was all our will to start up this terrible habit, wasn't it? That means we could end up choosing it again. Even after we have decided to quit. That was the point he was going for. And yet you all seem to be too afraid to admit it was your choice that got you here to begin with. It's sad, really.
I truly hope that this TY hasn't been scared off from the idea of freeing himself from this habitual choice just because you lot can't find it in your hearts to empathize.
And you say it's NEVER a surprise to the caver? It was a surprise to me, no one had told me a thing about what would happen. It's those cavers that need this help the most, and you turn them back to the drug by stressing them further. You really think the cave had no effect on them BEFORE you all started your cajoling? I know first hand it feels like hell just admitting it at all. However, getting flak about it makes it feel like the pain of disappointing yourself is preferable to the pain of being roasted by a mob online.
So I'd like to know how many people have signed up on this site since its inception? And how many of them are STILL HERE? How many have quit? Stayed quit? How many relapsed? How does that compare to other methods? Until you can get these figures, continuing to spout that this is a "proven system" is a false claim that is not supported by actual data. And that means your justification for bullying people in need of honest support is also false. Tough love is not the way for addiction. Research any report by a true professional on rehabilitation and addictions and you would know the best method is forgiveness, patience, understanding and consistency. The only thing you guys have is consistency... for being cruel to those that truly need help.
Let me get this straight Izanami, you know since I'm not a scientist and all. You joined in April and were supposed to be in the July 12 pre-HOF group. You posted Day 1, caved the same day, posted Day 1 the next day and then chided us for not being compassionate. Then you disappeared and decide to resurface in Ty's Intro thread? Is that right? Do I need to be stenographer to confirm that record of events? Are you still quit? If not, GTFO.
I believe you also said that anyone who uses fake dip was a caver? Do I have that correct? Even though you admittedly smoked cloves to satisfy your cravings? I want to be sure about that since I'm not an anthropologist.
Bottom line, if you don't like the methods utilized here you are free to leave and never return.
I smell troll.
Indeed...
'troll'
Interesting name choice as well...
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
We do things a certain way here because it is proven to be successful. If you do not think the process is for you that is your perogative, the fact people are checking on you shows the kind of support we work with at KTC. It is a simple program, if it is not for you, understood, but don't post here just to cause problems.
Good job with your quit.
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
Good for you Ty! You don't need to Post, you don't like the way things happen here, that is fine too! The question that I have is why keep coming back? is there anything here that you see as being positive? I've failed hundreds of times alone, without the support and expectation of keeping my word I would have failed again! If the standard of expectation is lowered to where you think it should be, KTC would be a lame ass quitters excuse to cry over failure! We don't wish quitters luck because luck isn't part of commitment.
GOOD LUCK TY!
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
ty....no one is going to rip you. It is obvious that your 13 year addiction is different than ours. Gosh, the whole posting roll reminding you of dip, shit who wouldn't stop posting roll. You must be really bad. By the way how's tobacco sales this month? :gmann:
"The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it"
Remember that guy? So.....you sell highly addictive carcinogenic compounds daily, but posting roll is what makes you want to throw in a wedge?
Now even your foggy ass will admit that is fucked up. I think you are now experiencing life without nicotine for the first time in your adult life. And you are scared. I know you. I know everybody on this site, because, we all experienced the same flood of fear and funk around 20-30 days. 'help'
Your choice Ty. I know 4 people that quit on their own, and sustained it. I know a fuck load that can't quit. Which are you? You decide. It's your life.
Vadge
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
Good for you Ty! You don't need to Post, you don't like the way things happen here, that is fine too! The question that I have is why keep coming back? is there anything here that you see as being positive? I've failed hundreds of times alone, without the support and expectation of keeping my word I would have failed again! If the standard of expectation is lowered to where you think it should be, KTC would be a lame ass quitters excuse to cry over failure! We don't wish quitters luck because luck isn't part of commitment.
GOOD LUCK TY!
I'm happy for you too Ty. I just know that it is hard to quit, I'm on day two and it doesn't seem that bad but I know I'm bound to get another good jones pretty soon. Instead of getting pissed off because there are people that will help you quit, try to say thank you. Thank you everyone for all of the help. Fuck the Dip.
Once again, I'm happy for you and I hope you stay quit. Just don't get pissed at people who are only trying to help you achieve a great thing.
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I don't post roll mainly because I can't do it from my phone and its only internet access I have, my quit has been a struggle over past few weeks but I to know it shall get easier each and every day.. the methods used here I can tell have worked for many people and you ty as myself are new quitters we have no place to argue with the vets here they have already been where we are at and can helps us get to where they are, the guys that cave know they messed up and should be told that I do have to say the language some ppl use towards cabers is a lil harsh but the meaning behind them is that there upset BC they are here to help all we have to do is listen to advice.. only judgment that matters is when your standing in gods presence...stick to your quit ty do whatever u have to do to stay quit..good luck
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I don't post roll mainly because I can't do it from my phone and its only internet access I have, my quit has been a struggle over past few weeks but I to know it shall get easier each and every day.. the methods used here I can tell have worked for many people and you ty as myself are new quitters we have no place to argue with the vets here they have already been where we are at and can helps us get to where they are, the guys that cave know they messed up and should be told that I do have to say the language some ppl use towards cabers is a lil harsh but the meaning behind them is that there upset BC they are here to help all we have to do is listen to advice.. only judgment that matters is when your standing in gods presence...stick to your quit ty do whatever u have to do to stay quit..good luck
Brandon this is bullshit. Wedge told you how to do it from your phone early on. Hell, we got a guy in july that does it. Not hard. Goto your group hit add reply and post asking for someone to add you for the day. No excuses!
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I don't understand what/where your talking about to post this at?? By no means is that an excuse for anything at all, no excuse saying I caved or anything of that nature my quit is as solid today as it was day 1 and shall remain to be..
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Can I also add out of everything I said all you noticed was part about posting roll? Its guys like you that make this site useless for ppl like TY, call me on bullshit no problem explain to me step by step on how to get to page I need to be on and what to do each day in details and you'll see my roll posted everyday..
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Can I also add out of everything I said all you noticed was part about posting roll? Its guys like you that make this site useless for ppl like TY, call me on bullshit no problem explain to me step by step on how to get to page I need to be on and what to do each day in details and you'll see my roll posted everyday..
Your quit group is october. Go and post your username and what day you are on. Then put add me to roll. The same way you are posting here.
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Can I also add out of everything I said all you noticed was part about posting roll? Its guys like you that make this site useless for ppl like TY, call me on bullshit no problem explain to me step by step on how to get to page I need to be on and what to do each day in details and you'll see my roll posted everyday..
Your quit group is october. Go and post your username and what day you are on. Then put add me to roll. The same way you are posting here.
index.php?showtopic=6639 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=6639). Here is the link for you.
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Yes I understand that bud but where do I find the quit group at?? Bare with me on this I should have my laptop up and running again next few days until then ill post way your saying
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Thanks for link
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Thanks for link
Np. Just tryin to help
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Hey Ty,
Where you at? Haven't seen you post in Oct for 2 days now. Wanna give us an update?
Here's your update. I'm still quit. Another thing i quit was posting roll. All i thought about was dipping because i thought i HAD to post roll. Since i stopped posting roll i haven't thought about throwing a dip in since. Now, go ahead and rip on me so you can feel better about yourself.
ty....no one is going to rip you. It is obvious that your 13 year addiction is different than ours. Gosh, the whole posting roll reminding you of dip, shit who wouldn't stop posting roll. You must be really bad. By the way how's tobacco sales this month? :gmann:
"The hardest part for me is I own a liquor store. Quitting while having to look at it all day long, selling it, ordering it, touching it. It's not gonna be easy......it's gonna be worth it"
Remember that guy? So.....you sell highly addictive carcinogenic compounds daily, but posting roll is what makes you want to throw in a wedge?
Now even your foggy ass will admit that is fucked up. I think you are now experiencing life without nicotine for the first time in your adult life. And you are scared. I know you. I know everybody on this site, because, we all experienced the same flood of fear and funk around 20-30 days. 'help'
Your choice Ty. I know 4 people that quit on their own, and sustained it. I know a fuck load that can't quit. Which are you? You decide. It's your life.
Vadge
So you look at dip all day at your store but you won't post roll because it reminds you too much of dip? Am I missing something here?
Guess you don't give fuck about the act of making a promise to your brothers that you won't dip for one day? That's what gets me about this "posting roll makes me think of dip" excuse. For someone to say that you clearly must not appreciate the act of making a promise to your brothers. It's not just putting your name on some list for people to look at and say, "Hey, awesome, Ty's name is on the list today, ladi freaking da!" We don't post roll to remind ourselves of dip. It is a solemn promise that you will not dip for one day. Roll call is sacred and guys like you crap all over everything so that you can satisfy your own self righteousness. So be it, but please go somewhere else if you're not going to buy into the program.
Ty, you've done nothing but criticize the KTC system and accuse of us of being internet bullies for the better part of your quit. Do you really think we are only here to put people down in order to make us feel better about ourselves? If you can't see that we are trying to show you the method that helped us quit nicotine then I'm really not sure what else to tell you.
Bottom line, if you don't want to buy into the KTC program, then why are you still here?
Boy, I sure do feel better about myself now after putting you down Ty. Phew, what a load off my chest! Now I'm off to bully some other poor soul.