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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Lifes2short on May 02, 2013, 01:24:00 AM
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Monday, April 15th, 2013... the last day of dip in my life. I have to be honest, I am not one of the guys who is going to log in each and every morning to post my commitment to being Quit for that day. I understand the principle behind it, but don't like the idea of starting each day thinking about not dipping. I'm 16 days quit now (dipped for 17 of my 36 years of life) and have actually had a couple of days where I didn't even think about a dip until after lunch. It is even possible that I may have had a day when I didn't think about it once. I made it through the first week without using any replacements. On day 7 and day 14, I bought one can of smokey mountain from my local Wal-Mart, each time I made it last 2 days. I guys I've been one of the lucky ones. I haven't had as many side effects of quitting as most seem to have had. I will say the constipation and gas that has come with being Quit, while being annoying to my wife, has made me laugh like a 10 yr old boy on more than one occasion. Each day is a new journey... up next is passing the one month mark. I've only done that once and that was a decade ago. Thanks for reading and i look forward to getting to know some of you better. -Chris
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Monday, April 15th, 2013... the last day of dip in my life. I have to be honest, I am not one of the guys who is going to log in each and every morning to post my commitment to being Quit for that day. I understand the principle behind it, but don't like the idea of starting each day thinking about not dipping. I'm 16 days quit now (dipped for 17 of my 36 years of life) and have actually had a couple of days where I didn't even think about a dip until after lunch. It is even possible that I may have had a day when I didn't think about it once. I made it through the first week without using any replacements. On day 7 and day 14, I bought one can of smokey mountain from my local Wal-Mart, each time I made it last 2 days. I guys I've been one of the lucky ones. I haven't had as many side effects of quitting as most seem to have had. I will say the constipation and gas that has come with being Quit, while being annoying to my wife, has made me laugh like a 10 yr old boy on more than one occasion. Each day is a new journey... up next is passing the one month mark. I've only done that once and that was a decade ago. Thanks for reading and i look forward to getting to know some of you better. -Chris
Chris,
I read your intro. and wanted to just move on to the next person because I already checked you off as a caver. Why? because if you don't post and promise everyday (or almost everyday) you are pretty much doomed. I am on Day 121 and there are still tough days or tough moments. Guard your quit and let us help you guard it. Post everyday.
Sage
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Sage, I appreciate your opinion. Believe me, during my rough hours, this site is exactly where I'll be. I joined to be able to interact with others who know what it's like and are battling the same demon. I have come clean with the friends/family members I was hiding it from, they and my kids are my daily accountability.
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Monday, April 15th, 2013... the last day of dip in my life. I have to be honest, I am not one of the guys who is going to log in each and every morning to post my commitment to being Quit for that day. I understand the principle behind it, but don't like the idea of starting each day thinking about not dipping. I'm 16 days quit now (dipped for 17 of my 36 years of life) and have actually had a couple of days where I didn't even think about a dip until after lunch. It is even possible that I may have had a day when I didn't think about it once. I made it through the first week without using any replacements. On day 7 and day 14, I bought one can of smokey mountain from my local Wal-Mart, each time I made it last 2 days. I guys I've been one of the lucky ones. I haven't had as many side effects of quitting as most seem to have had. I will say the constipation and gas that has come with being Quit, while being annoying to my wife, has made me laugh like a 10 yr old boy on more than one occasion. Each day is a new journey... up next is passing the one month mark. I've only done that once and that was a decade ago. Thanks for reading and i look forward to getting to know some of you better. -Chris
This is some bullshit.
You spent 17 years of your life stuffing your lip full of cancerous shit, every single day. You can't spend 2 minutes a day posting a promise to not use chew for the day?
Horse shit.
You might have gone a day without thinking about dip and your on day 17.
More horse shit.
I chewed for 15 years and have been quit for 324days and not once have I not had at least a thought about dip. I don't dwell on it and it doesn't consume but at some point I think about it.
You're one of the lucky ones.
Horse shit.
What exactly do you hope to gain from being a member of this site? You know every time you log on or communicate with someone, you will be thinking of "not dipping".
It sounds like you have everything figured out, why do you need us and why do we need you?
I'm not trying to discourage you from being a member of our site, I'm asking that you respect the principles it was built on and those who do post roll every morning. By saying you are not, you are disrespecting thousands of people. It's hard to build trusting relationships with people you disrespect.
This is how I personally feel. Others may feel different.
Why did you decide to quit by the way? You never mentioned that.
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Diesel2112, we can get into a big debate about how posting daily will or won't help you avoid caving... to each his own. Congrats on 324 days Quit. As to why I quit: I dipped openly in front of those that I knew didn't matter or wouldn't care. I hid it from my parents, brother, wife and wife's family. My wife caught me a few times over the last 6 1/2 years we've been married. We'd argue about it and she'd go to bed crying worrying about losing me (lost her grandfather who was a smoker to cancer) and all I'd do was try to do better at hiding it. I finally realized I was serious about quitting when my wife would catch me and I'd just blow it off. Basically the arguing stopped and the distance between us grew. I have a very addictive personality that manifests itself in various aspects of my life. That addictive personality is now what is driving me to stay Quit.
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What is it about posting a commitment daily that has you so hung up? What could you possibly have against a successful support structure such as this site/method?
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Applejack, I am not a fan of having the first thought of every day being posting about tobacco... That is what it comes down to. I am looking forward to having days where I wonder if I even thought about a dip the prior day. I'm not knocking those who wish to post daily, I'm just not convinced its the most logical process. One could just as easily post their daily commitment and not live up to it... No one would know. Due to a move across the country several years back, I no longer hang out with the group that I started dipping with. I no longer have any close friends who've been down this road to share struggles and successes, that's why I'm here. For those that don't like my reasoning, I do understand. But there isn't any proof to show that posting daily makes you any better at staying quit.
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Pardon me but I think can refute a statement that I see that you have made:
" But there isn't any proof to show that posting daily makes you any better at staying quit."
If you look at the spreadsheets that are kept within each of our monthly groups, you will see that by posting daily we at KTC have a success rate of 35 ish % for those who post at least 1 day and then stay quit for 100 days. This is the highest sucess rate in the 'quit' industry. And if you look at those who hit 100, you will see that most post at least 85% or more of the time (we are human so can miss a day or so).
And you will find that as addicts we NEED to be reminded, even just the slightest bit, about what we were each day, so that we never slip back into that can+ a day addiction. Have seen it too many times where people who have been here drift away from the site and then come back having messed up and posting another day 1.
And again hate to re-iterate, but if you do not give you word on a particular day, what additional support (since you were ninja and wife does not know), will you have if there is a hard time and a case where you want to just go buy another one and throw it in? Cause right now I do not see what you may have, and by not giving your word, it leaves you a good 'out' so you wouldn't need to be accountable.
I just know that for 305 days, I have given my word EACH AND EVERY DAY, and I am quit with the help of this site, and the brothers (and sisters) that I have made here.
but it is your choice
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Planned Cave!
Rather you realize it or not.
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Chris, it never ceases to amaze me when someone who has been a total failure at quitting for X number of years, in your case 17 yrs, comes in here to mouth off about how they got their own special way of quitting. You are really a pro at it, aren't you?
Reason and logic all you want, you are just being stubborn and making excuses to leave the door open to caving. You state someone could easily post each day and not live up to it - this explains YOU - no integrity = failure.
Good "luck" "trying" to quit your own "special" way. I truly "hope" you are successful. You got this man!
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Applejack, I am not a fan of having the first thought of every day being posting about tobacco... That is what it comes down to. I am looking forward to having days where I wonder if I even thought about a dip the prior day. I'm not knocking those who wish to post daily, I'm just not convinced its the most logical process. One could just as easily post their daily commitment and not live up to it... No one would know. Due to a move across the country several years back, I no longer hang out with the group that I started dipping with. I no longer have any close friends who've been down this road to share struggles and successes, that's why I'm here. For those that don't like my reasoning, I do understand. But there isn't any proof to show that posting daily makes you any better at staying quit.
Wow. More horse shit.
People could easily be post their daily commitment and not live up to it. Nobody would know.
Wow.
That's one of the biggest slaps in the face I have ever seen on this site. Not just to me but to everyone on this site.
You are basically saying we have zero integrity, zero honesty, zero commitment to eachother, and our word means nothing.
You just shit on this site. Seriously what kind of fuck face would do something like that. What's to gain from it?
You need to either get with the program or just shut the fuck up because every time you say something you not only sink further into your horse shit quick sand but you completely disrespect everyone.
This is a brotherhood, where our word is EVERYTHING. A brotherhood that saved my and countless others lives. If you don't agree with the way we do business, then simply move on. No hard feelings. But of you are going to continue to try to tell us our way is wrong and your way is right, you are going to get bitch slapped around like a 2 dollar whore. That much I know.
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These guys are making good points from statistical, numerical, and factual gatherings. I want to come at it for a different direction. Just want to share my personal thoughts. Maybe you're special, but there was not a single day that I can recall in my first year of quit that I didn't think about tobacco. Sincerely, man... not even one. To make this successful, I have to be quit above everything else. Even at this point in my quit, there are very few days that I don't think about it. Just this morning when I brushed my teeth I thought "damn, I can't believe that these things didn't fall out years ago".
Sorry, got sidetracked there. What I was wanting to get to was this:
The folks on this website helped me reclaim my life. Did posting roll every day do that? I'm not sure. But, the information and mindset that the vets here gave me definitely changed the way that I look at life and addiction. It helped me in many other aspects. The price of admission to use those tools was posting roll daily. So, I figured it was worth a couple minutes of my time to pay that admission. That was at first.
The brotherhood aspect surprised me. I have plenty of friends and family, so I didn't need that. I didn't even want to communicate with anybody here. I planned to just read the info I needed and post roll. Somehow that all changed. I've got some great friends on this site now.
Read this blog post (http://blog.killthecan.org/2013/01/why-we-meet-the-killthecan-org-brotherhood/) from a while back. I can't illustrate it any clearer than that, and I wouldn't have gotten involved had I not came here daily and earned the respect of my peers.
You said in your intro that you want to get to know some quitters here. This is a two-way street.
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Diesel2112, we can get into a big debate about how posting daily will or won't help you avoid caving... to each his own. Congrats on 324 days Quit. As to why I quit: I dipped openly in front of those that I knew didn't matter or wouldn't care. I hid it from my parents, brother, wife and wife's family. My wife caught me a few times over the last 6 1/2 years we've been married. We'd argue about it and she'd go to bed crying worrying about losing me (lost her grandfather who was a smoker to cancer) and all I'd do was try to do better at hiding it. I finally realized I was serious about quitting when my wife would catch me and I'd just blow it off. Basically the arguing stopped and the distance between us grew. I have a very addictive personality that manifests itself in various aspects of my life. That addictive personality is now what is driving me to stay Quit.
I am interested in your way of quit.
Hell. We all are.
I would give my left nut to know to not have to constantly wage this war. Unfortunately, I know my enemy won't let me off that easily. She waits. She knows when I'm strong and she doesn't attack. She's not stupid. She waits until I'm drunk, or until I'm stressed out, or when the whole world is collapsing in on me and I don't feel I'm worth the air I breathe.
She waits.
You know how I know?
Because she's done this before. Many times.
There were the times I did it on my own (horrible failures). There were the times I argued Nicorette would be my savior this time (horrible failures). There was that time my wife and baby son jumped up and down in the bathroom as I dumped a can only to fail a couple days later.
Then there was that first time I used this program. I posted roll the first 100 days. I bitched when times were rough (after all, my mom was passing from cancer). I did it, and got to 100.
And then I faded. Fast.
I stopped posting because I didn't understand quit as a battle I'd always fight. I thought it was a war I had already won. I stopped thinking about being quit and all of the tools I learned here faded. It took some time (nearly 2 and half years later) but they were not there when I needed them.
I bummed a chew from a friend. And it was over. 4 months later, it was like I never quit before.
The thing was I felt like I needed it to be whole when I was stopped. I always assumed I was special and needed something to compensate for my lack of nicotine. When I started back, nothing changed. I still felt shitty about myself (but even more for now I had this stupid addiction to deal with). I still never felt whole.
I came back here and it took me a little while to realize that quit is a state of being. I can be "using". I can be "not using". I can be "quit". I started this process because I didn't want to use. "Not using" had failed me multiple times in the past. I'm guessing that "quit" might just be the answer, but we'll see.
I come here to tarnish the name of tobacco every morning. I don't idolize. Hell. I forget what it tastes like and I abhor the companies that sell it. I come here not because I "have to" most days (95% are good, good days where it is not a thought), but because of those days I need my weapon to perform properly shall I need it. I come here because I don't want to leave one damn thing to chance in my quit. I plan to be quit. I work to be quit. I am quit.
If you have a better way than that, well...I don't think you can.
You can do this. Don't be afraid to unleash your true capabilities instead of just getting by. If you want something, it is your job to take it.
The Little Blue Engine
The little blue engine looked up at the hill.
His light was weak, his whistle was shrill.
He was tired and small, and the hill was tall,
And his face blushed red as he softly said,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”
So he started up with a chug and a strain,
And he puffed and pulled with might and main.
And slowly he climbed, a foot at a time,
And his engine coughed as he whispered soft,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”
With a squeak and a creak and a toot and a sigh,
With an extra hope and an extra try,
He would not stop — now he neared the top —
And strong and proud he cried out loud,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can!”
He was almost there, when — CRASH! SMASH! BASH!
He slid down and mashed into engine hash
On the rocks belowÂ… which goes to show
If the track is tough and the hill is rough,
THINKING you can just ainÂ’t enough!
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Diesel2112, we can get into a big debate about how posting daily will or won't help you avoid caving... to each his own. Congrats on 324 days Quit. As to why I quit: I dipped openly in front of those that I knew didn't matter or wouldn't care. I hid it from my parents, brother, wife and wife's family. My wife caught me a few times over the last 6 1/2 years we've been married. We'd argue about it and she'd go to bed crying worrying about losing me (lost her grandfather who was a smoker to cancer) and all I'd do was try to do better at hiding it. I finally realized I was serious about quitting when my wife would catch me and I'd just blow it off. Basically the arguing stopped and the distance between us grew. I have a very addictive personality that manifests itself in various aspects of my life. That addictive personality is now what is driving me to stay Quit.
I am interested in your way of quit.
Hell. We all are.
I would give my left nut to know to not have to constantly wage this war. Unfortunately, I know my enemy won't let me off that easily. She waits. She knows when I'm strong and she doesn't attack. She's not stupid. She waits until I'm drunk, or until I'm stressed out, or when the whole world is collapsing in on me and I don't feel I'm worth the air I breathe.
She waits.
You know how I know?
Because she's done this before. Many times.
There were the times I did it on my own (horrible failures). There were the times I argued Nicorette would be my savior this time (horrible failures). There was that time my wife and baby son jumped up and down in the bathroom as I dumped a can only to fail a couple days later.
Then there was that first time I used this program. I posted roll the first 100 days. I bitched when times were rough (after all, my mom was passing from cancer). I did it, and got to 100.
And then I faded. Fast.
I stopped posting because I didn't understand quit as a battle I'd always fight. I thought it was a war I had already won. I stopped thinking about being quit and all of the tools I learned here faded. It took some time (nearly 2 and half years later) but they were not there when I needed them.
I bummed a chew from a friend. And it was over. 4 months later, it was like I never quit before.
The thing was I felt like I needed it to be whole when I was stopped. I always assumed I was special and needed something to compensate for my lack of nicotine. When I started back, nothing changed. I still felt shitty about myself (but even more for now I had this stupid addiction to deal with). I still never felt whole.
I came back here and it took me a little while to realize that quit is a state of being. I can be "using". I can be "not using". I can be "quit". I started this process because I didn't want to use. "Not using" had failed me multiple times in the past. I'm guessing that "quit" might just be the answer, but we'll see.
I come here to tarnish the name of tobacco every morning. I don't idolize. Hell. I forget what it tastes like and I abhor the companies that sell it. I come here not because I "have to" most days (95% are good, good days where it is not a thought), but because of those days I need my weapon to perform properly shall I need it. I come here because I don't want to leave one damn thing to chance in my quit. I plan to be quit. I work to be quit. I am quit.
If you have a better way than that, well...I don't think you can.
You can do this. Don't be afraid to unleash your true capabilities instead of just getting by. If you want something, it is your job to take it.
The Little Blue Engine
The little blue engine looked up at the hill.
His light was weak, his whistle was shrill.
He was tired and small, and the hill was tall,
And his face blushed red as he softly said,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”
So he started up with a chug and a strain,
And he puffed and pulled with might and main.
And slowly he climbed, a foot at a time,
And his engine coughed as he whispered soft,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”
With a squeak and a creak and a toot and a sigh,
With an extra hope and an extra try,
He would not stop — now he neared the top —
And strong and proud he cried out loud,
“I think I can, I think I can, I think I can!”
He was almost there, when — CRASH! SMASH! BASH!
He slid down and mashed into engine hash
On the rocks belowÂ… which goes to show
If the track is tough and the hill is rough,
THINKING you can just ainÂ’t enough!
Really Chris?? You're a full blown addict in full blown denial!!!!
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
You're welcome. Keep some quitters in your corner on the good days, then it's a lot easier to use them on the bad days. If you've already built some relationships, then you won't hesitate to reach out when the bad days come along. Just part of building a plan.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
Did you really READ what wastepanel and Rad wrote?
I can comment on your intro any fucking time I want.
When you piss all over the foundation this site is founded on, question the honesty and integrity of our WORD, and act as if your way is better than ours, I WILL NOT sit idly by. Not my style.
I'm 20 grit sandpaper.
Sorry.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
You're welcome. Keep some quitters in your corner on the good days, then it's a lot easier to use them on the bad days. If you've already built some relationships, then you won't hesitate to reach out when the bad days come along. Just part of building a plan.
Rad, where is the best place to build relationships on this site?
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
You're welcome. Keep some quitters in your corner on the good days, then it's a lot easier to use them on the bad days. If you've already built some relationships, then you won't hesitate to reach out when the bad days come along. Just part of building a plan.
Rad, where is the best place to build relationships on this site?
HOF group roll call. I assume that is the answer you seek, yes?
Even if that weren't my answer, I believe one of the very few rules of this place is that we have to post roll before posting in any of the other forums.
Either way equals a roll post, which is the point we are agreeing on.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
You're welcome. Keep some quitters in your corner on the good days, then it's a lot easier to use them on the bad days. If you've already built some relationships, then you won't hesitate to reach out when the bad days come along. Just part of building a plan.
Rad, where is the best place to build relationships on this site?
HOF group roll call. I assume that is the answer you seek, yes?
Even if that weren't my answer, I believe one of the very few rules of this place is that we have to post roll before posting in any of the other forums.
Either way equals a roll post, which is the point we are agreeing on.
Yes. That is where the true bonds are formed. Bonding and sharing experiences with guys on the same road as you.
That's my point. Perhaps I get too fired up and dramatic, but it really is how I feel.
By not posting roll I dont think he will get the full support this site offers.
If shit really hits the fan who will he turn to?
In the quit groups is where you get the numbers, the encouragement, the relatable stories, etc...
Running to this site just when you hit a really tough spot does not do the runner nor the site justice.
These are all my opinions, mind you.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
You're welcome. Keep some quitters in your corner on the good days, then it's a lot easier to use them on the bad days. If you've already built some relationships, then you won't hesitate to reach out when the bad days come along. Just part of building a plan.
Rad, where is the best place to build relationships on this site?
HOF group roll call. I assume that is the answer you seek, yes?
Even if that weren't my answer, I believe one of the very few rules of this place is that we have to post roll before posting in any of the other forums.
Either way equals a roll post, which is the point we are agreeing on.
Yes. That is where the true bonds are formed. Bonding and sharing experiences with guys on the same road as you.
That's my point. Perhaps I get too fired up and dramatic, but it really is how I feel.
By not posting roll I dont think he will get the full support this site offers.
If shit really hits the fan who will he turn to?
In the quit groups is where you get the numbers, the encouragement, the relatable stories, etc...
Running to this site just when you hit a really tough spot does not do the runner nor the site justice.
These are all my opinions, mind you.
Like I said, being quit does require that you to work for it. You can do this. We can help.
I'm glad you're coming around. There's tons of guys that come in here spouting us the "new way" all the time. Most of the time, they fade away only to come back in the future. This site is built upon a simple mantra to stay quit:
Post roll
Keep your word.
Repeat.
Know what makes you successful and keep doing it. That's what the roll post signifies. You see, in early quits like yours it's about will power. Your thoughts are mainly on staying quit. But then things get better and it's easier to err on the side of not using. That's where the roll post comes in most handy: to take your thoughts there for one moment out of all the good and make you make the commitment to stay quit.
We don't know when the bad moments come so what does it hurt to take 30 seconds to say "I quit" in the morning, knowing that when push comes to shove, you've got friends that will drop everything they are doing to help you.
And I would trust diesel 8 days a week with my quit. We don't get this much quit pussyfooting around the issue. We plow right through the motherfucking mountain.
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All other discussions aside, and getting back to the point... 17 days quit.
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All other discussions aside, and getting back to the point... 17 days quit.
'worship'
See you at 18.
Check out this group. There's a ton of guys going through the same bullshit you are right now:
July 2013 HOF group (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=8025)
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All other discussions aside, and getting back to the point... 17 days quit.
Nice. Just totally blow off what everyone has said.
You being 17 days quit is great and if your way is so gear why do you need us? Just keep doing what your doing. What can we do for you?
You've been offered some sage advice from some bad ass quitters (me not included) and you have refused to listen every step of the way.
Perhaps start your own sight,.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
Did you really READ what wastepanel and Rad wrote?
I can comment on your intro any fucking time I want.
When you piss all over the foundation this site is founded on, question the honesty and integrity of our WORD, and act as if your way is better than ours, I WILL NOT sit idly by. Not my style.
I'm 20 grit sandpaper.
Sorry.
I'll post with Rad, waste and diesel "everyday" they can all give your 17 days some good advise! If you don't like it have it your way, but don't be surprised if you fail. These guys know how hard quitting can get and what it takes to quit. You may succeed but by drinking the koolaid 100% your odds increase. Diesel is one bad ass quitter that I won't set back and watch be berated by some smarts ass newbie!
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Thanks for being in my corner, wastepanel, diesel, wt, and radman when I quit. Enough said on this intro.
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
Did you really READ what wastepanel and Rad wrote?
I can comment on your intro any fucking time I want.
When you piss all over the foundation this site is founded on, question the honesty and integrity of our WORD, and act as if your way is better than ours, I WILL NOT sit idly by. Not my style.
I'm 20 grit sandpaper.
Sorry.
I'll post with Rad, waste and diesel "everyday" they can all give your 17 days some good advise! If you don't like it have it your way, but don't be surprised if you fail. These guys know how hard quitting can get and what it takes to quit. You may succeed but by drinking the koolaid 100% your odds increase. Diesel is one bad ass quitter that I won't set back and watch be berated by some smarts ass newbie!
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Radman and wastepanel...thanks for being tactful and honest. It's greatly appreciated. Your the type of quitter I want in my corner on a bad day. Diesel2112... There are over 16,000 other members, if you don't like my reasoning and approach to MY quit, than don't post on my intro. Take your own advice and "move on" to someone else. "No hard feelings". I joined this site because everyone can relate. We're all quit. For the first time in my life I truly want to be Quit, that is what is different this time. I've quit before, but knew I was just taking a break. This time I want it and will succeed.
Did you really READ what wastepanel and Rad wrote?
I can comment on your intro any fucking time I want.
When you piss all over the foundation this site is founded on, question the honesty and integrity of our WORD, and act as if your way is better than ours, I WILL NOT sit idly by. Not my style.
I'm 20 grit sandpaper.
Sorry.
I'll post with Rad, waste and diesel "everyday" they can all give your 17 days some good advise! If you don't like it have it your way, but don't be surprised if you fail. These guys know how hard quitting can get and what it takes to quit. You may succeed but by drinking the koolaid 100% your odds increase. Diesel is one bad ass quitter that I won't set back and watch be berated by some smarts ass newbie!
You all see why I don't post here other than roll? There is so much "my quit is better than your quick" it makes me ill. I don't give a fuck what works for you, keep it up and stay quit. Those who don't like it can fuck off.
Go pack sand, tool box.
So you are ok with not posting roll? The ONE thing that you do.
Is there really "so much of it"? Of the THOUSANDS of posts we offer up a very small percentage of them are like this, yet you act like its the norm.
Sorry but when a newbie comes in here announcing he isn't going to post roll, doesn't see the point of it, says that those who do post could be lieing, etc...that does not sit well with me, and apparently others either.
WT, Wedge, and countless others literally saved my ass as I was in the corner in the fetal posistion rocking back and forth with my thumb in my mouth. I try to pay forward the same way they did for me.
Not posting roll never was an option.
My quit is no better than yours tool bag and I'm happy you're still quit.
I just get upset when people come into our house and shit on the floor. I believe out of my close to 1,000 posts 98% have been encouraging and positive. Don't try and paint me as someone who goes around getting in pissing matches about who's quit it better.
Its simply not true.
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One thing is for sure. Diesel and I will never see eye to eye, and I'm okay with that. If you look back through this thread, I've never "shit on your floor" as you so uneloquently put it. Simply said that I won't be posting role everyday as that means I am forcing myself to think about a dip to start each day. Diesel has proven to me that he is a very classless guy. As for the others that have posted, I appreciate your feedback and encouragement. Glad to be quit with you!
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One thing is for sure. Diesel and I will never see eye to eye, and I'm okay with that. If you look back through this thread, I've never "shit on your floor" as you so uneloquently put it. Simply said that I won't be posting role everyday as that means I am forcing myself to think about a dip to start each day. Diesel has proven to me that he is a very classless guy. As for the others that have posted, I appreciate your feedback and encouragement. Glad to be quit with you!
I am gonna warn you again, that as an addict you may want that daily post because without it, there is no word to honor, and when there comes a hard time, what and who are you going to fall back on before slipping back to the nic bitch for another day 1.
it is your decision...but alot of us here have seen quite a bit, and by not posting daily, the door is left wide open, when all we want is for it to be slammed shut, bricked over, never to be passed through again
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One thing is for sure. Diesel and I will never see eye to eye, and I'm okay with that. If you look back through this thread, I've never "shit on your floor" as you so uneloquently put it. Simply said that I won't be posting role everyday as that means I am forcing myself to think about a dip to start each day. Diesel has proven to me that he is a very classless guy. As for the others that have posted, I appreciate your feedback and encouragement. Glad to be quit with you!
I this isn't shitting on out floor, I'm not sure what is...
"I'm not knocking those who wish to post daily, I'm just not convinced its the most logical process. [Really, your not knocking the process eh. Just saying it's not logical, ummm okay] One could just as easily post their daily commitment and not live up to it... No one would know [Why would anybody do that??? You think we are all liars here with no integrity and our word means nothing? Talk about a slap in the face!].... For those that don't like my reasoning, I do understand. But there isn't any proof to show that posting daily makes you any better at staying quit.[ISN"T ANY PROOF??? I'm fucking proof that it works and their are about 16,000 other mother fuckers on here who will tell you the same]."
This should anger every mother fucker who posts roll on this site, but I'm the bad guy. I don't give a fuck. I've been through hell and back quitting this shit. I can take it.
You're focused on my because I'm more abrasive or "classless" as you put it.
But everyone else is saying the same thing as I am. It's not like I'm on an island here. I'm just rubbing you the wrong way. Other guys say basically the same but put it in a nicer package and you really don't acknowledge them, just thank them for not being mean about it.
You are being clonked over the head by my mean hammer and by nicer hammers, but they are all saying the same thing.
You are just choosing not to listen, yet I am proving myself to be classless?
You're also pipe dreaming if you think that by not posting roll first thing in the morning you're mind will not be thinking about dip. You're an addict. Addicts never forget what they once were. EVER.
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
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Somebody very smart (I believe it was Diesel, in fact, but it might have been Evil_Won) told me early on to take from this site those things that help you and leave the rest. Over the past 108 days, I have slightly altered that idea. I've had disagreements with Diesel, parputt, 30isenuff, Evil, and I'm sure there are more, but in every single one, I was the newbie. I was the one still learning how to quit.
Diesel told me early on to take what helps you from this site and leave and/or ignore the rest. I'd like to alter that on your behalf and I'm not sure Diesel would disagree. Take what helps you, but at least CONSIDER the rest. Some guys seem to come and go without considering that somebody that has been curled up in a fetal position in Addictland at day 20 (when day 20 was 200 days ago) might know a little something about quitting. I've always listened when they piss me off. It doesn't make me less of a man; it makes me a better quitter.
I guarantee you this: some of these guys will piss you off, but they're doing it to help you put nicotine in its rightful place. They don't know you; they know her. Every single one of these guys wants you and me to stay quit.
I kinda like this place, for that reason alone.
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
Priceless thread...
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All other discussions aside, and getting back to the point... 17 days quit.
What say we make that 18?
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
Priceless thread...
I have to agree with Diesel and everyone else who has posted in favor of posting everyday. Those are the rules it affects everyone here when someone wants to do whatever the hell they please. I am new into my quit I disliked seeing Lifes posts. Doing whatever the hell we wanted got most of us here. If we gave a shit we wouldnt have put that shit in our mouths. Life you have been given like Diesel said hard hammers and soft hammers and you still dont get it if you dont like the rules here dont log on its that simple.
I personally have leaned on this site. My brothers/sisters were here for me when I was craving and the support I got was far better than getting through it on my own. I got hammers too but I needed them it never occured to me that my word selection was leaving the door cracked to let the NIC Bitch back in. I never put it together before that I was an addict even though I work in the health care industry. With the help of the vets and my quit group I was able to see it. This "cavalier attitude" you are sporting is bad for you and us. If the small rules are not followed it leaves an opening for the next YAHOO with the best way to quit to plan to come in here and do whatever the hell they want. Next thing you know weekend dippers and recreational users will be allowed to post roll. The downward spiral is called "Normalization of Deviance" and if you look that word up you will see what all it has affected. It brought down the space shuttle basically porked NASA in the ass... who would have thought one lil O ring... You LIFE are acting like an O RING
To me ROLL is an honor it tells me and everyone that I beat yesterday and I quit today.
BTW the time you took defending your position you could have posted a month of roll and not pissed anyone off.
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
Priceless thread...
I have to agree with Diesel and everyone else who has posted in favor of posting everyday. Those are the rules it affects everyone here when someone wants to do whatever the hell they please. I am new into my quit I disliked seeing Lifes posts. Doing whatever the hell we wanted got most of us here. If we gave a shit we wouldnt have put that shit in our mouths. Life you have been given like Diesel said hard hammers and soft hammers and you still dont get it if you dont like the rules here dont log on its that simple.
I personally have leaned on this site. My brothers/sisters were here for me when I was craving and the support I got was far better than getting through it on my own. I got hammers too but I needed them it never occured to me that my word selection was leaving the door cracked to let the NIC Bitch back in. I never put it together before that I was an addict even though I work in the health care industry. With the help of the vets and my quit group I was able to see it. This "cavalier attitude" you are sporting is bad for you and us. If the small rules are not followed it leaves an opening for the next YAHOO with the best way to quit to plan to come in here and do whatever the hell they want. Next thing you know weekend dippers and recreational users will be allowed to post roll. The downward spiral is called "Normalization of Deviance" and if you look that word up you will see what all it has affected. It brought down the space shuttle basically porked NASA in the ass... who would have thought one lil O ring... You LIFE are acting like an O RING
To me ROLL is an honor it tells me and everyone that I beat yesterday and I quit today.
BTW the time you took defending your position you could have posted a month of roll and not pissed anyone off.
It's one simple rule...post your commitment not to use nicotine for that day. It takes about 2 freaking minutes.
I also don't buy "I don't want to think about it first thing in the morning".
You're gonna think about it at some point during the day, especially in the beginning. Might as well wake up and smack the bitch in the face every morning by posting a promise you are not going to use nicotine in any form.
The goal is not to USE, not to not THINK about it. You're an addict. For 17 years you used that crap. Good luck not even THINKING about it.
Post roll and let's do this shit!!!!
Even though I'm a classless asshole, if you post role I will support you to no end. So will everyone else on this site. I see it on a daily basis.
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Lifes2short, One day you will realize that all of your current reasoning to justify your position is just "addict talk". That day will come either when you are in surgery recovery swearing to never use tobacco again or when you decide to follow the protocol of this site and use the encouragement of the members with KTC.
I often ask myself what exactly "worked" about this site that nothing else ever did work that I tried on my own. Why did I constantly lie and deceive my wife, sons, and close firends to enable me to get my nicotine fix at all costs? Why would I think of dip as necessary to life as breathing in everything I did? Why would every daily decision I made involve how dip could be involved and could I actually make it until I got that dip? This is a very, very strong drug you are fighting!
What makes me want to honor my daily word to "Quit" to a lot of strangers that I only know through KTC? Because they understand who and what I am and want to give me the support to exceed in quitting nicotine. I am not sure what works about this site but that it does work!
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
Priceless thread...
I have to agree with Diesel and everyone else who has posted in favor of posting everyday. Those are the rules it affects everyone here when someone wants to do whatever the hell they please. I am new into my quit I disliked seeing Lifes posts. Doing whatever the hell we wanted got most of us here. If we gave a shit we wouldnt have put that shit in our mouths. Life you have been given like Diesel said hard hammers and soft hammers and you still dont get it if you dont like the rules here dont log on its that simple.
I personally have leaned on this site. My brothers/sisters were here for me when I was craving and the support I got was far better than getting through it on my own. I got hammers too but I needed them it never occured to me that my word selection was leaving the door cracked to let the NIC Bitch back in. I never put it together before that I was an addict even though I work in the health care industry. With the help of the vets and my quit group I was able to see it. This "cavalier attitude" you are sporting is bad for you and us. If the small rules are not followed it leaves an opening for the next YAHOO with the best way to quit to plan to come in here and do whatever the hell they want. Next thing you know weekend dippers and recreational users will be allowed to post roll. The downward spiral is called "Normalization of Deviance" and if you look that word up you will see what all it has affected. It brought down the space shuttle basically porked NASA in the ass... who would have thought one lil O ring... You LIFE are acting like an O RING
To me ROLL is an honor it tells me and everyone that I beat yesterday and I quit today.
BTW the time you took defending your position you could have posted a month of roll and not pissed anyone off.
It's one simple rule...post your commitment not to use nicotine for that day. It takes about 2 freaking minutes.
I also don't buy "I don't want to think about it first thing in the morning".
You're gonna think about it at some point during the day, especially in the beginning. Might as well wake up and smack the bitch in the face every morning by posting a promise you are not going to use nicotine in any form.
The goal is not to USE, not to not THINK about it. You're an addict. For 17 years you used that crap. Good luck not even THINKING about it.
Post roll and let's do this shit!!!!
Even though I'm a classless asshole, if you post role I will support you to no end. So will everyone else on this site. I see it on a daily basis.
Whatever happened here? Is Life posting? Will Life stay quit? Stay tuned....Like sands through the hourglass, these are the Days of our Quit :-)
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Diesel your entitled to your own opinion, as am I. I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths, it makes the most intelligent person sound like an idiot. Glad your quit 320+ days. Keep it up! I will continue MY journey in the best way I see fit.
I recently read a study that stated that people of high intellect often use swear words to drive their points across. I don't remember who wrote it but he was one smart mother fucker.
And I'll talk to you the way I talk to my 8 year old daughter..."Honey, leave the room and go play with your barbies now, the adults are talking."
:rustaf1:
Priceless thread...
I have to agree with Diesel and everyone else who has posted in favor of posting everyday. Those are the rules it affects everyone here when someone wants to do whatever the hell they please. I am new into my quit I disliked seeing Lifes posts. Doing whatever the hell we wanted got most of us here. If we gave a shit we wouldnt have put that shit in our mouths. Life you have been given like Diesel said hard hammers and soft hammers and you still dont get it if you dont like the rules here dont log on its that simple.
I personally have leaned on this site. My brothers/sisters were here for me when I was craving and the support I got was far better than getting through it on my own. I got hammers too but I needed them it never occured to me that my word selection was leaving the door cracked to let the NIC Bitch back in. I never put it together before that I was an addict even though I work in the health care industry. With the help of the vets and my quit group I was able to see it. This "cavalier attitude" you are sporting is bad for you and us. If the small rules are not followed it leaves an opening for the next YAHOO with the best way to quit to plan to come in here and do whatever the hell they want. Next thing you know weekend dippers and recreational users will be allowed to post roll. The downward spiral is called "Normalization of Deviance" and if you look that word up you will see what all it has affected. It brought down the space shuttle basically porked NASA in the ass... who would have thought one lil O ring... You LIFE are acting like an O RING
To me ROLL is an honor it tells me and everyone that I beat yesterday and I quit today.
BTW the time you took defending your position you could have posted a month of roll and not pissed anyone off.
It's one simple rule...post your commitment not to use nicotine for that day. It takes about 2 freaking minutes.
I also don't buy "I don't want to think about it first thing in the morning".
You're gonna think about it at some point during the day, especially in the beginning. Might as well wake up and smack the bitch in the face every morning by posting a promise you are not going to use nicotine in any form.
The goal is not to USE, not to not THINK about it. You're an addict. For 17 years you used that crap. Good luck not even THINKING about it.
Post roll and let's do this shit!!!!
Even though I'm a classless asshole, if you post role I will support you to no end. So will everyone else on this site. I see it on a daily basis.
Whatever happened here? Is Life posting? Will Life stay quit? Stay tuned....Like sands through the hourglass, these are the Days of our Quit :-)
Posting isn't logical. I'm sure he is quit without a thought of nicotine.
In all honesty I hoped he would post roll and the hatchet could be burried. A lot of different people reached out to him in many different ways, but the message was the same but he chose to ignore it.
I wouldn't doubt if someone on here is in touch with him helping him out, because there's some great people on here. If so I bet they are trying to get him to post roll. Would love to see him comeback and do it the right way.
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I guess I'll have to talk to you the way I would talk to my daughter... Daddy doesn't like potty mouths
I'm really glad that you have set such a good example for your daughter by keeping a nice clean mouth. For me my language may be less than clean and for nearly 40 years I set a wonderful example of cleanliness by having a mouth full of oozing brown saliva. You can set back and play the "holier than thou" attitude but we are all exactly the same in one respect, we are all addicts and always will be. Now get down off your high horse and accept the help that is being offered. Sure some of us are a little rough around the edges but we truly care about each other. Sometimes we care too much and get hurt by less than sincere dippers who think they know better. I suggest you spend some serious time reading quitters HOF stories and see just how similar your addict activities are to so many of us. Your rage should be passing soon. Decide if you want help or not, we know you need it.
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I do appreciate the concern. I'm still here and still quit. There is no rage here Wt. I was clear and straight forward with everyone from the very beginning. My stance hasn't changed. If anything, my love / hate relationship with Diesel has had me checking my intro more than I had expected. 20 days quit today, a lifetime to go. Had an enjoyable weekend, even played 18 holes of golf today with no nip... Not even the fake stuff.
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I do appreciate the concern. I'm still here and still quit. There is no rage here Wt. I was clear and straight forward with everyone from the very beginning. My stance hasn't changed. If anything, my love / hate relationship with Diesel has had me checking my intro more than I had expected. 20 days quit today, a lifetime to go. Had an enjoyable weekend, even played 18 holes of golf today with no nip... Not even the fake stuff.
If your checking you intro why not post roll while you're here?
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I do appreciate the concern. I'm still here and still quit. There is no rage here Wt. I was clear and straight forward with everyone from the very beginning. My stance hasn't changed. If anything, my love / hate relationship with Diesel has had me checking my intro more than I had expected. 20 days quit today, a lifetime to go. Had an enjoyable weekend, even played 18 holes of golf today with no nip... Not even the fake stuff.
If your checking you intro why not post roll while you're here?
I'm starting to think I smell troll.
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I do appreciate the concern. I'm still here and still quit. There is no rage here Wt. I was clear and straight forward with everyone from the very beginning. My stance hasn't changed. If anything, my love / hate relationship with Diesel has had me checking my intro more than I had expected. 20 days quit today, a lifetime to go. Had an enjoyable weekend, even played 18 holes of golf today with no nip... Not even the fake stuff.
If your checking you intro why not post roll while you're here?
I haven't taken the time to read your intro, because, quite frankly, I am listening to Gary Puckett perform "woman, woman" with the man who wrote the song on the you tubes. It's pretty awesome. In any event, why aren't you posting roll call? If you're pissed at Diesel for trying to save your life and don't want to follow the foundation of this site, feel free to move along.
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I do appreciate the concern. I'm still here and still quit. There is no rage here Wt. I was clear and straight forward with everyone from the very beginning. My stance hasn't changed. If anything, my love / hate relationship with Diesel has had me checking my intro more than I had expected. 20 days quit today, a lifetime to go. Had an enjoyable weekend, even played 18 holes of golf today with no nip... Not even the fake stuff.
If your checking you intro why not post roll while you're here?
I haven't taken the time to read your intro, because, quite frankly, I am listening to Gary Puckett perform "woman, woman" with the man who wrote the song on the you tubes. It's pretty awesome. In any event, why aren't you posting roll call? If you're pissed at Diesel for trying to save your life and don't want to follow the foundation of this site, feel free to move along.
Man I hope you are wrong WT.
I see he is on here RIGHT NOW. He is probably reading and reading like every person on day 20 did and should...IT FUCKING HELPS. I remember.
Don't be stubborn and NOT post roll because of me. This isn't a pissing match, it's a QUITTING match and we are all on the same team. Join our team bro. Drink the Kool Aid to the fullest, don't sip it and run. We didn't spike it. It's good shit. It could save your life.
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Diesel, I did consider posting the days I log in just to get you and a few others off my back and get you guys back focused on the real point... Our ongoing Quit Journeys. However, I noticed that when people don't consistently post role they are listed under cavers and gheys. Basically reinforces your point of log in every day. Which we've already beat to a pulp. I have read a lot on this site and have even shared the site with my wife. (She quickly realized what I'd been up to in the past when she read "The top 100 benefits of quitting dip") There is a lot of valuable info on the site and in the forum discussions.
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Diesel, I did consider posting the days I log in just to get you and a few others off my back and get you guys back focused on the real point... Our ongoing Quit Journeys. However, I noticed that when people don't consistently post role they are listed under cavers and gheys. Basically reinforces your point of log in every day. Which we've already beat to a pulp. I have read a lot on this site and have even shared the site with my wife. (She quickly realized what I'd been up to in the past when she read "The top 100 benefits of quitting dip") There is a lot of valuable info on the site and in the forum discussions.
Don't do it to "get us off your back", do it for yourself...do it because it WORKS. If you've read a lot on this site, you should know that.
Seems like you are on here a lot, heck you've even shown your wife the site. Why not just post your promise every day to not use nicotine?
You've made it 21 days nic free why not soak up everything the site has to offer and promise you will make it through the day to #22?
It will only take a few seconds, literally.
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Diesel, I did consider posting the days I log in just to get you and a few others off my back and get you guys back focused on the real point... Our ongoing Quit Journeys. However, I noticed that when people don't consistently post role they are listed under cavers and gheys. Basically reinforces your point of log in every day. Which we've already beat to a pulp. I have read a lot on this site and have even shared the site with my wife. (She quickly realized what I'd been up to in the past when she read "The top 100 benefits of quitting dip") There is a lot of valuable info on the site and in the forum discussions.
Don't do it to "get us off your back", do it for yourself...do it because it WORKS. If you've read a lot on this site, you should know that.
Seems like you are on here a lot, heck you've even shown your wife the site. Why not just post your promise every day to not use nicotine?
You've made it 21 days nic free why not soak up everything the site has to offer and promise you will make it through the day to #22?
It will only take a few seconds, literally.
As usual, I've been calm and cordial here. I've offered up support and some insight into my view of the situation here. We have all done basically the same thing in different ways. Everybody here wants to see you quit. Yes, even Diesel. After letting this discussion cool for a couple of days, I see nothing has changed. That is upsetting. Really, it is. This last post of yours took some wind out of my sails this morning. Even though your stance has not changed, I feel used. It is disrespectful of everything we all stand for.
I interpret this last post as a taunt saying: "I'll come here, use your tools for FREE, refuse to pay anything back, disregard the most basic rule of this site, and y'all can't do anything about it.". That hurts, man.... it really hurts.
To me, that is the equivalent of taking an apple from the produce department, eating it while you wander around Wal-Mart, then leaving the core on a shelf without paying. Would you get locked up for it? No, but it still ain't right.
You'll probably think I'm taking this way too personally and being overly dramatic. Maybe I am, but this place saved my quit..... thereby saving my life. I won't forget that. I'll continue to pay for my apple...... every damn day.
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There is a lot of valuable info on the site and in the forum discussions.
Pay the Price ! post roll.
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Guys you've given this attention whore way too much of what she wants already. Its not like we haven't seen this type of self-centered behavior from many other addicts. Chris thinks this place is Facebook or Twitter and can't comprehend the difference.
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you are a clown Chris you coming here and us trying to work with you took time away from people who really wanna quit. Stick to likes and tweets
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We lead the horse to water but we can't force him to drink.
It really is disrespectful. When the Radman gets a little obtuse, you know it's bad. LOL.
Unless he posts a day 1. I will consider this a case closed, as you guys are right too much time has been wasted on him. Their are people posting and struggling that deserve our attention more than this weakling.
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It took me till 8 days into my quit before I joined this site. My reasons were similar to yours. I was using the site for information, but unwilling to jump in and post roll.
On day eight of my quit I realized that doing this was disrespecting those that are here. I was leaching off them. On that day I joined the site and have posted to roll every day. Since doing so there has been more accountability put into my quit. I have made some friends, they as well as my quit group and everyone else on this site are holding me accountable to my quit. This is quite powerful.
I am going to make the assumption that you are not a troll and you are who you say you are. You have three choices:
1) Post roll and become part of this community
2) Get off the site and respect the beliefs of those that are here
3) Continue doing what you are doing.
Only two of those options are viable options unless you want to be a jerk. Only one of those options raises your chance of maintaining your quit. The choice is yours.
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Don't really want the guy to post roll. Hang out here....I'm OK with that (and NDY, I agree there's some attention whoring goin' on. This post isn't really for Lifes2short). Hang out and test your "ideas" and your proven methods. At least here people will be honest about them. At home, work, the bar, etc, people will just nod politely and say stuff like "I'm proud of you. Great Job. You have it worked out!" Of course they don't mean it, but they don't want to ruin dinner.
But back to the reason I'm not joining any parade to talk L2S into posting roll. It's like this: My group (the BoMB) had plenty of guys who got all the support we had to offer whenever they needed it. And they only logged on when THEY needed something. Where where they when EADG posted obvious signs of caving? They were not there. Did those guys read about QuitterX's cave after binge drinking? Nope, those guys don't post weekends. Bottom line, the guys in the newest quit group will need guys that will watch each others backs. This guy hasn't posted roll and says if he did he wouldn't post regularly. Especially in the first months, if you are not there, your just not gonna be watching too many backs. The new group will already have enough guys that will be taking much more than they give.
Edit: Do I sincerely hope he quits. Yes. Would I like to see him as an active and engaged member of a quit group. Yes. But to lead him there before he is committed? No thanks.
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Don't really want the guy to post roll. Hang out here....I'm OK with that (and NDY, I agree there's some attention whoring goin' on. This post isn't really for Lifes2short). Hang out and test your "ideas" and your proven methods. At least here people will be honest about them. At home, work, the bar, etc, people will just nod politely and say stuff like "I'm proud of you. Great Job. You have it worked out!" Of course they don't mean it, but they don't want to ruin dinner.
But back to the reason I'm not joining any parade to talk L2S into posting roll. It's like this: My group (the BoMB) had plenty of guys who got all the support we had to offer whenever they needed it. And they only logged on when THEY needed something. Where where they when EADG posted obvious signs of caving? They were not there. Did those guys read about QuitterX's cave after binge drinking? Nope, those guys don't post weekends. Bottom line, the guys in the newest quit group will need guys that will watch each others backs. This guy hasn't posted roll and says if he did he wouldn't post regularly. Especially in the first months, if you are not there, your just not gonna be watching too many backs. The new group will already have enough guys that will be taking much more than they give.
I'm with you zam. If i was august i wouldn't want this guy in my group. It it's apparent he only thinks about himself.
Good luck on your quit. Even though I dont have much respect for you, I'm glad your quit. Stay quit. I may be quit just like you are, but, i don't quit with you.
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
I don't understand why you post here without posting roll. Kinda fishy.
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
Stop being so self centered and post roll call or go away.
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
Stop being so self centered and post roll call or go away.
Congrats on 30 days. It's a drop in the bucket compared to what it can be one day, so be willing to do anything to stay quit.
I like our method, and I believe it is the best out there. Our percentages of those that remain quit are much higher than any other method out there. Of course, our members do whatever it takes to stay quit.
If you think your method is better, keep checking in. Catch me in days quit (I'm currently at day 688.). I dare you.
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
Seriously, what's your deal?
I'm glad you are quit but why not use this site to it's fullest? Why not help out others, why not post roll, why not jump into the fucking pool and swim with us instead of sneaking in at night and taking a piss in it?
You obviously get something out of this site, or you wouldn't keep popping in. fucking stop using and start helping.
Helping others is one of the best things you can do to strengthen your quit.
Your in limbo right now. Most people hate you, a few people are luke warm to you, but we ARE ALL glad you are quit.
Why the fuck do you keep resisting to get fully involved?
Pissing me off.
GIVE BACK. Some guys could really use the help. QUIT BEING SELFISH.
IEFJFJKDJKDDJKBDJKBDJKBDVJKDJKVBHBHBFHEBFBFFBFB!!!!!!!!!!!
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par·a·site
[par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc
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par·a·site
[par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc
That's this dude to a T. He's like one of those fish you see leeched onto a big whale swimming through the ocean.
You can't HATE the guy because he's quit, but I steam when he pops in here like "one of the gang" yet he is kind of pissing all over us at the same time.
Like N.P. said "I can't pretend a stranger is a long awaited friend".
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par·a·site
[par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc
That's this dude to a T. He's like one of those fish you see leeched onto a big whale swimming through the ocean.
You can't HATE the guy because he's quit, but I steam when he pops in here like "one of the gang" yet he is kind of pissing all over us at the same time.
Like N.P. said "I can't pretend a stranger is a long awaited friend".
Trolls don't understand accountability and brotherhood - so they stand alone - so don't waste any time or energy on these guys - plenty here who want to invest in something positive.
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As a new quitter and one from August I just wanted to drop a line and say thank you To Lifeistoshort for not helping me along, for not taking the time to be a part of our group, not posting roll with us every day as a team, And those times you didnÂ’t reach out to me and remind me we are in this together. I hope your quit sticks but I'm NOT quitting with you today! Or any other day!
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30 days quit. Haven't posted on here recently since there were a few who either didn't think I was serious about my quit or didn't agree with my methods. Still going strong.
Yay! Pat pat. Coddle Coddle. I'm sooo proud of you. Do you want your participation ribbon now?
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Don't worry about posting roll....i know what you're thinking because i thought it too when i came across this site....this is kind of corny and i never knew "quit" could be used as a noun. But here's the problem, nothing has ever worked for me when i have attempted to quit before, i think the longest i ever went without substituting a cigarette was about a week. In order for this to work for you, you have to embrace it. If you don't then just move on. Good luck on your quit. "Hope" yourself back on the dip. The somewhat corny works for a TON of people on this site....the support works for a lot of people on this site and using quit as a noun makes you OWN what you are doing. But you don't buy this do you champ? By not doing what is being asked of you on this site you are basically spitting in all of our faces.
Take care! And yes. life is too short...way to short to buy into something that can save your life from being too short.
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Today marks day 40 in my quit journey. @wastepanel- I'm confident that I can make it to 688 days, but I'm just as confident that you'll stay 650 some days ahead. Thanks for not being a hater, even if my journey has been different than the norm.
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Today marks day 40 in my quit journey. @wastepanel- I'm confident that I can make it to 688 days, but I'm just as confident that you'll stay 650 some days ahead. Thanks for not being a hater, even if my journey has been different than the norm.
'troll' :scowick: 'cs'
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55 days quit. Fun weekend with the family without any serious thoughts of having a dip. I've only had one dip dream and it was pretty ridiculous, yet humorous. Had a dream that I was trying to convince Brett Favre to stop dipping. As you probably figured, I don't know Brett, nor do I know if he does or has ever battled nicotine... Not even a GB fan. (Go Browns) Not too many months now until we start thinking, "maybe next year", like usual.
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55 days quit. Fun weekend with the family without any serious thoughts of having a dip. I've only had one dip dream and it was pretty ridiculous, yet humorous. Had a dream that I was trying to convince Brett Favre to stop dipping. As you probably figured, I don't know Brett, nor do I know if he does or has ever battled nicotine... Not even a GB fan. (Go Browns) Not too many months now until we start thinking, "maybe next year", like usual.
I see you posting in intros today! These threads are for people who post roll! If you cant even post roll why are you here? Do you just want to SHOW people that you are still around and quit? Not buying it. Post roll, Then talk. Until then be quiet. Yes I am a new guy and I will still call it the way it is! Cause I am posting roll!
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55 days quit. Fun weekend with the family without any serious thoughts of having a dip. I've only had one dip dream and it was pretty ridiculous, yet humorous. Had a dream that I was trying to convince Brett Favre to stop dipping. As you probably figured, I don't know Brett, nor do I know if he does or has ever battled nicotine... Not even a GB fan. (Go Browns) Not too many months now until we start thinking, "maybe next year", like usual.
I see you posting in intros today! These threads are for people who post roll! If you cant even post roll why are you here? Do you just want to SHOW people that you are still around and quit? Not buying it. Post roll, Then talk. Until then be quiet. Yes I am a new guy and I will still call it the way it is! Cause I am posting roll!
He doesn't believe the word of those who lost roll. You are posting roll? So what, you could be lieing. That's the way he sees it.
You get in some trouble , you think this guy is gonna offer any? 15 posts in 55 days answers that question.
Yet, we are supposed to be happy and kiss his ass when he pops in.
So douchy.
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
So am I to understand that you are not posting roll????
If not I am sorry but do have to state that on the site that is built on Accountability for the posting roll and then the Brotherhood by forming those bonds in our quit groups, that you would be fulilling this on an 0 for 2 basis.
Therefore if I am not mistaken, one of the admins on a different thread made the comment that to play further in the introductions that you would have to begin to follow the procedures set forth here by KTC or else be gone...
So it is your choice. Join the program and post, give that word of yours. or ......(I never like to say what would happen)
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
So am I to understand that you are not posting roll????
If not I am sorry but do have to state that on the site that is built on Accountability for the posting roll and then the Brotherhood by forming those bonds in our quit groups, that you would be fulilling this on an 0 for 2 basis.
Therefore if I am not mistaken, one of the admins on a different thread made the comment that to play further in the introductions that you would have to begin to follow the procedures set forth here by KTC or else be gone...
So it is your choice. Join the program and post, give that word of yours. or ......(I never like to say what would happen)
Read his entire intro. He doesn't believe in posting roll and doesn't trust the word of those who do.
I'm an asshole but its not like I'm just being a dick for no reason.
He uses us and the site, then lifts his leg on it like a dog to a fire hydrant.
Like its soooo tough to post roll. Takes about a minute. And God forbid you actually take some time to help out someone else.
Fuck this, I already hashed this out on this thread before.
No use wasting pixles again.
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
So am I to understand that you are not posting roll????
If not I am sorry but do have to state that on the site that is built on Accountability for the posting roll and then the Brotherhood by forming those bonds in our quit groups, that you would be fulilling this on an 0 for 2 basis.
Therefore if I am not mistaken, one of the admins on a different thread made the comment that to play further in the introductions that you would have to begin to follow the procedures set forth here by KTC or else be gone...
So it is your choice. Join the program and post, give that word of yours. or ......(I never like to say what would happen)
Read his entire intro. He doesn't believe in posting roll and doesn't trust the word of those who do.
I'm an asshole but its not like I'm just being a dick for no reason.
He uses us and the site, then lifts his leg on it like a dog to a fire hydrant.
Like its soooo tough to post roll. Takes about a minute. And God forbid you actually take some time to help out someone else.
Fuck this, I already hashed this out on this thread before.
No use wasting pixles again.
What point have I proven for you? That I am an addict and failed? Or that I came back and asked for accountability? I post roll 100% Because I am an addict. You do not post roll, so you have not broken a promise and caved in front of people that can hold you accountable.... Hope you don't think that is better! I think it is a way for you to cheat and not feel guilty. Man up and be honest by posting roll or go somewhere else. Ive had enough of you people shitting on the standards of this site!
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
You made it a point to congratulate me on hitting the one year mark...a week after it happened. Gee, thanks for thinking of me.
Just stay away from bro. You know we don't see eye to eye, so fucking hit the bricks.
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Continues to amaze me that several individuals on this site continue to let things besides being quit drive their negative attitude towards people. I made it a point to drop in and congratulate Diesel on hitting the one year mark, and yet there is no way I can really be "quit" because I don't post role. Sorry, guess I should be like Jake... Glad to see your quit again. But, you prove my point. I am here to be quit, not to post roll and then cave and ask for forgiveness. Whether you agree with my quit or not, it is real... April 15, 2013 around 11:15pm Arizona time, I removed my last dip. To paraphrase diesel... I'm an adult so you don't have to wish me Happy Birthday. (I'm quit... And just like everyone else, I am posting on my intro to track my quit and be able to look back on how far I've come when I have rough days and consider caving.) I've made a choice to be quit... One that I'm damn proud of.
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