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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Fla_K5 on August 30, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
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My story –
Started very young - first time I was about 11 years old and I threw up like many others did. Tried again a few years after, chewing tobacco and dip both. This time it stuck.. started using. By the time I was 15 it was daily. Going on 37 now Â… and it has been 1 can a day for since 18 or so.
Wife never says a word about it, never complains. But I’m tired of hiding it and “working it in” at family events, social events, etc. It’s hard work sneaking a dip as many here know. I have been really concerned about my health lately as well. I’m fit and in good shape, but I do have high blood pressure which I have had for 10 years. I know the amount of nicotine I consume from a can a day is a factor in this. Also concerned about the cancer possibilities , etc, this stuff can cause.
I have tried to quit in the past before, but not like this time. IÂ’m going to give it a good shot this time. IÂ’m going on 24 hours now without a dipÂ… first time in many years I have went this long without. ItÂ’s double hard with me because I work from homeÂ…where I can dip freely all long if I choose. IÂ’m surviving for nowÂ… have some nicotine gum to help for the first few days. Also have a lot of the fake dipÂ… which really helps.
I guess the first 3 days are the hardestÂ… weÂ’ll see.
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My story –
Started very young - first time I was about 11 years old and I threw up like many others did. Tried again a few years after, chewing tobacco and dip both. This time is stuck.. started using. By the time I was 15 it was daily. Going on 37 now Â… and it has been 1 can a day for since 18 or so.
Wife never says a word about it, never complains. But I’m tired of hiding it and “working it in” at family events, social events, etc. It’s hard work sneaking a dip as many here know. I have been really concerned about my health lately as well. I’m fit and in good shape, but I do have high blood pressure which I have had for 10 years. I know the amount of nicotine I consume from a can a day is a factor in this. Also concerned about the cancer possibilities , etc, this stuff can cause.
I have tried to quit in the past before, but not like this time. IÂ’m going to give it a good shot this time. IÂ’m going on 24 hours now without a dipÂ… first time in many years I have went this long without. ItÂ’s double hard with me because I work from homeÂ…where I can dip freely all long if I choose. IÂ’m surviving for nowÂ… have some nicotine gum to help for the first few days. Also have a lot of the fake dipÂ… which really helps.
I guess the first 3 days are the hardestÂ… weÂ’ll see.
Welcome to the site. head over to the December quit group and post roll call.
index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13)
Click #3 on that link for instructions.
I work from home also. I was up to 2 cans a day when I went 100% cold turkey 607 days ago.
It can be done!! Let us know if you need anything!!
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Fla,
Post roll--give your word
Repeat every day
One day at a time
You got this!
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You have come to the right place. I was a total closet dipper, and I know what you mean about being sick of it. I was sick of that and of needing something just to feel normal. This place has all the resources you will need.
Go post roll, join us one day at a time, it's a crazy ride, and sometimes it really sucks, but you are gonna love being free!
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I know the amount of nicotine I consume from a can a day is a factor in this. Also concerned about the cancer possibilities , etc, this stuff can cause.
I have tried to quit in the past before, but not like this time. IÂ’m going to give it a good shot this time. IÂ’m going on 24 hours now without a dipÂ…
Sounds like you know you NEED to quit, but do you really WANT it? You gotta really want it, or it's an automatic fail. Get your head in the game. Don't "try", or "give it a good shot". Quit... for good. I understand what you meant, but just wanted to make the point that we all have to be 100% committed every day, or this wont work.
Now get over to December group and make us a promise.
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You got this !! It might not be pretty but post roll and quit, like they told me we don't try we QUIT each day and stay that way. I am only 8 days in and never tried to hide my dip and dipped a can a day for 28 years. Nothing but gum now. Hollar out to someone if you need some help
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Radman,
Honestly the idea of NOT dipping makes me shake. I canÂ’t picture my life without it because I have done it since I was kid. ItÂ’s like breathing air to meÂ…. a natural part of my life. I understand itÂ’s not natural and that my brain needs to be reworked over time. SoÂ… do I want to quit or am I trying to quit?? BothÂ… I want to quit and IÂ’m going to try damn hard to do soÂ….because I feel like if I donÂ’t it will kill me.
These are tough questions. If all the scientist and doctor’s came out tomorrow and said smokeless tobacco is 100% safe .. would people still quit? I honestly don’t think I would as my sole reason to quit is related to the possible health problems. Again, I’m new at this and don’t know if these are the right answers. All I know is that I have never gave “quitting” a good shot and the time is now.
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FLA,
Bullshit!
First of all, smokeless tobacco being safe (the fantasy you wish to be true) is your addicted self talking. Your addicted-self is saying, "I really love doing this nasty shit". You don't LOVE this shit--you love that it makes you feel NORMAL.
You are addicted to NICOTINE and the dipping is the nasty ass habit that delivers your addiction--don't confuse the two. Go ahead and dip the fake shit for as long as you want--let's get you off the nicotine!
You dip nicotine to feel NORMAL. Because if you don't dip you go into withdrawal--this happens several times a day to dippers-- or all nic addicts. The way you feel after you dip is the way you will feel after you are no longer a dipper---ITS CALLED NORMAL--ITS called being HUMAN.
Now that I am a former-dipper (nic addict) I have that NORMAL high all the time--it's called being HUMAN. I don't have to place a cancerous turd in my mouth to feel NORMAL/HUMAN.
Now do you understand--the best way to feel NORMAL is to go into one last final withdrawal---its called QUITTING for TODAY and FOR GOOD! The nicotine is creating the problem and solving the problem it is creating---it is a zero-sum GAME--except the game results in death by cancer!!!! Withdrawal is the body/mind going crazy because it thinks it will die without nicotine. Once the BODY/MIND realizes that the addiction is just a lie--it will regain BALANCE.
Balance and Normality is reastablished quickly. The question is are you man enough to make the journey each day and are you man enough to let go of this LIE!
This site has the right tools to help you make this journey. I made that journey 125 days ago. I dipped 80% of my waking hours and I have not thought about dipping for the better part of the week. I was hooked on nicotine for 18 solid years--now I am not and I feel....... NORMAL
Pm me if you need anything--I support you.
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K5,
As Yoda once said, "There is no try. There is only do." Corny, but absolutely the fucking truth. One day at a time. Make the committment, post roll everyday. Get numbers so you can call/text when you are needing some support in real-time.
The first few days are shitty. It will get easier. But, don't forget you're an addict and you will forever be an addict. Don't be ashamed of this. Embrace it as something that you are. We all are. We're human, hey, what a shocker! Once you internalize the fact that you became an addict, you will be able to make peace with yourself. When that happens, you are truly on the road to recovery.
Quit with me today.
whsii
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Â… have some nicotine gum to help for the first few days.
Fla_K5,
Welcome. Glad you're here. You've found the right place. I was just like you 48 days ago - - wondering how in the world I'm going to part with my constant companion, Copenhagen. I couldn't imagine life without it. Now I can't imagine ever going back to it. This site works. Read, read, and read some more. You'll see you're not alone.
You will get through this. First few days will be really tough, but you will muscle through. Focus on today. Worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
You mentioned in your first post that you have some nic gum on standby. Toss that sh*t in the trash. We don't post roll here and still use nic. You must totally banish it. That's the way this place works. Post roll with your December brothers ONLY if/when you are nic-free.
I quit with you!
Phil4
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yea.. the nic gun actually makes me feel weird and doesn't help anyway. I donÂ’t really see a need for it. Now.. the smokey mountain (fake dip) really helps. I guess half the habit is the routine of packing and splittingÂ…. So it helps with that. Candy and juicy fruit works too.
What type of attitude is best? Constantly thinking about it and being aware of it? Or trying NOT to always think about itÂ… staying busy and acting like itÂ’s not the end of world
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Welcome and Congrats.
You are gonna think about it..I don't care how badass you are...nicotine and dipping will be on your mind for a while.
Get in here, post roll and keep your promise. Peruse the site and check out what other quitters have to say.
It ain't easy but it's possible. You have to want it though. I can't quit for you brother...
Now let's get this quit started!
It gets easier and those craves get fewer and less intense as time goes by.
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Whether nicotine dependency was established and/or maintained by being chewed, smoked, drank, snuffed, sprayed, swallowed, sucked, licked or patched, in the end there is only one way out - no nicotine today.
Work it 1 day at a time. Just today. Today only. You can do this. Do you see the troops rallying for you?
They believe in you. Do you? I do.
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What type of attitude is best? Constantly thinking about it and being aware of it? Or trying NOT to always think about itÂ… staying busy and acting like itÂ’s not the end of world
I had this converstion with a member yesterday. I am an addict, I have that personality. Whatever I do, good or bad, I do all the way. I stopped drinking nearly 20 years ago, and I am 40 now. The first few weeks I was into the quit groups. But then I got the feeling that they really didn't like themselves as quitters. They always talked about using, how they did it, where, when and of course the horror stories, they always tried to one up each other.
I wanted to quit, not hear about using. I knew I had had enough and moved away from the groups. It worked for me, but I was ready, and I knew I was ready.
You don't sound ready. Stay here, post roll, and don't use TODAY, not tomorrow but TODAY. The first few days you may need to go to hours or minutes, even SECONDS!
DON'T STICK THAT SHIT IN YOUR FACE THIS SECOND, don't worry about the rest.
I'm on my 4th. week after chewing for 23 years.
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Going on 48 hours dip free
Things IÂ’m learning -
1.Reading other stories on this site helps a lot
2.I can tell now I should go ahead a quit drinking while IÂ’m at it. I drink only once every other weekend or soÂ… but I know that this will be the time I most likely fall back into this problem.
3. I felt like shit yesterdayÂ….periods of fog and haze. But seem to have a lot of energy for chores around the house. Just trying to keep busy. So far today I feel good.
4.Sleeping good, but 2 hours more than normal.
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Fla,
Great insight. You got this --One day at a time.
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Wow, there is a LOT of good stuff in this thread! FLA, you are using your tools perfectly. Throw your thoughts out there, let some people respond, then find the quit that fits you and wear it. One of the old vets once said "take what you need, leave the rest".
I chewed and dipped for 19 years, and for 18 1/2 of those years didn't even give a thought to quitting. Like you, I didn't want to. I ignored thoughts about death and poor health. Early last year, I half-assed quit because I thought it was the right thing to do. I caved a couple of months into it, and within a couple of days was using more than ever. At some point, I realized that I no longer had the ability to make my own decisions. I was cramming shit in my mouth and not even getting any enjoyment out of it anymore. I was disgusted with myself. I was tired of the constant nasty shit all around me. That's when I quit... for good. It was a change in mindset that I needed. I don't even use fake dip because it appears that I'm still incapable of independent thought.
You are right: drinking has been the downfall of many quits. Stay away from it, at least until you're more secure in your quit.
The attitude is a tough question. At first, you are gonna think about whether you want to or not. It is your responsiblity to have the right kind of thoughts. If you are in a trigger situation, staying quit needs to be your main thought at all times. Never let your guard down.
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Listen up Fla fla flu high. You stuffed poisons and cancer in your body for 23 years? You think your body and brain were happy about that? Probably not. So when you're fighting through this keep that in mind. Yeah its hard because you were killing yourself daily. Just the like the rest of us fucktards. But hey, here's the bonus...you don't do that anymore. And you will go through withdrawal once because you have quit. Revel in this brother. You are taking your life back. You will once again be in control. No more "Honey, got to get another gallon of milk...I dropped the one from the fridge" or draining the water tank because you need a long shower. Or bailing on a "only once" family event because you gotta get a fix. You will be in control. You will own your path. Not the nic bitch. Fight this. Own it. I'll fight with you. So will the rest of these quitters. They got balls. When that devil is staring them in the face I know they grit their teeth and take a swing because they want to live. So let's fight. Come on now. Let's do this.
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The gallon on milkÂ… funny shit and so true before I started buying 5 + rolls of timber wolf at a time. And the family events - so true. We are no different than full blown heroin addicts.
IÂ’m now going into the 3 day quit markÂ…. Giddy fing up !
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Day 3 -
actually not that bad.. feeling somewhat close to normal today. At least I feel better than yesterday which was better than day 1. The immediate anxiety of “how I can do without” is starting to settle down… “”how the hell can I hunt or fish without dip””, etc, etc, etc, That was freaking me out the first few days because I have been doing this my entire adolescent and adult life… I can’t remember anything of my life without dip being a part of it.
So it seems for now ..itÂ’s getting a little better each day. IÂ’m not talking to my family about this, my wife knows and is happy but is not making a big deal about it. The only thing that matters right now is that IÂ’m very proud of myselfÂ… I dont really give a shit about anyone else and what they feel. Never in a million years thought I could go even 1 day without a dip.
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You've got some strong quit going on. I don't see you posting in December roll call. Did I miss something?
See link below:
December 2011 HOF (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=5162)
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Look, I am on Day 2 - so therefore I know absolutely nothing about all this. I told everybody I know that I have quit. I am one of those who cannot stand to be seen as a failure, so I thought maybe if everyone knew about it, they would become even more motivation. Most of my coworkers smoke and they are all older than me - part of me wants to prove that it is possible. Most of me just wants to get through today, and I will worry about tomorrow when I wake up.
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Look, I am on Day 2 - so therefore I know absolutely nothing about all this. I told everybody I know that I have quit. I am one of those who cannot stand to be seen as a failure, so I thought maybe if everyone knew about it, they would become even more motivation. Most of my coworkers smoke and they are all older than me - part of me wants to prove that it is possible. Most of me just wants to get through today, and I will worry about tomorrow when I wake up.
THAT, Jaymodill, my new friend, is just exactly how this works. It's the ONLY way this works.
You post roll today. You make a promise to everyone here that you will not use nicotine in any form TODAY. There is no promise about "tomorrow", or "soon". There is no "will quit". There is no "hope", or "try", or "give it a good shot".
There is only QUIT... NOW... TODAY, and for the whole day, nicotine free.
And you think about tomorrow...tomorrow.
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Seems I'm following Jay around...
Did I miss something? Did you say you were relying on the fake stuff AND nicotine gum to get you through?
Maybe I missed it... I mean... I read this thread. Maybe skimmed a few posts... but I think I read most of it. And I'm pretty sure you're still using nicorette. You need to quit that shit.
Common misconception. You are NOT ADDICTED TO DIP. You ARE addicted to nicotine. That gum has nicotine in it. If you're still using that gum, you are only delaying the inevitable cave. Trust me. I did this. I paid $43 for a box of nicorette to support my quit. It did shit. It was the most expensive can of dip I purchased.
If you really want to kill the can, you gotta kill the bitch.. and she comes in many forms (including gum).
If you need anything PM me... but you need to be COMPLETELY nicotine free to earn the support of this site
Again - if I missed something, I apologize...
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I havenÂ’t posted roll yet because First, IÂ’m not sure how. Second, IÂ’m still chewing around 2-3 pieces of nic gun each day to help with the first week. From what I read, itÂ’s not official until I drop the replacement nicÂ…..even though it is only a small fraction of the nic my body is used to each day. I understand the logic and Yes, YesÂ… I understand IÂ’m prolonging the pain.
But to meÂ….as long as a dip doesnÂ’t go into my mouthÂ… IÂ’m successful in my eyes. I plan to drop the gum all together in the next few days. I was never one of those people that could just quit for a few daysÂ…. Few weeks or even a few years and then just randomly start doing it again. I dipped every single day for the last 22-25 yearsÂ…. never skipped one single dayÂ…. I couldnÂ’t.
It still blows my mind how some people I know only dip while doing a certain activity like hunting, fishing. They can put it away for weeks at a time and then take a dip or two when they are back doing their favorite activity. I never understood how people can do thatÂ….
Day 4 – pretty much the same as the last 2 days. My sense of taste is so much better… I ate a peach yesterday and was amazed.
What has helped me so far – reading a lot of other stories on this web site and Smokey Mountain fake snuff.
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Throw the nic replacement shit away right now. Believe me. I was one that started using the patch. After several tongue lashings from several of my new brothers, I ripped it off and threw them out. That was singularly the best decision I have made in a long, long time.
That was three weeks ago. We have all gone through the suck. And, it does suck. But, as each day passes, you'll begin to think a little more clearly anf feel better about your life.
Throw the fucking gum out, NOW!!
Goto Welcome Center to learn how to post roll call.
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Throw the nic replacement shit away right now. Believe me. I was one that started using the patch. After several tongue lashings from several of my new brothers, I ripped it off and threw them out. That was singularly the best decision I have made in a long, long time.
That was three weeks ago. We have all gone through the suck. And, it does suck. But, as each day passes, you'll begin to think a little more clearly anf feel better about your life.
Throw the fucking gum out, NOW!!
Goto Welcome Center to learn how to post roll call.
What whsii said.
You are addicted to nicotine. Whether you get your fix from cigarettes, dip, cigars, gum, patches, or nicotine laced lollipops, it does not matter. Your body and brain will not be able to heal itself until you stop putting nicotine in your system. Why prolong that process?
I would very much like to quit with you. Throw out the gum. Post Day 1 over in December. Take the plunge. You can do this. You will not regret this decision.
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Day 10 –
I’m very proud of myself – 10 days without a dip. Actually haven't used the nic gum for the last 4 days . I would have never dreamed after 22+ years of doing a can every single day.
What I have learned –
Day 1-2 – yes they suck the worse
Day 3-10 – pretty much the same. Smokey mountain snuff has helped a lot for me. Candy and gum as well.
Mind games - I have had a few instances over the last few days where the “one dip won’t hurt anything” came into my head. Had to fight it off real hard. I guess we all start to get a little too confident after a week or so without dip… I figure one dip won’t hurt and I can stop anytime now. Wrong. This sounds real bad but I feel like I deserve a dip in a way… or if I do take a dip I’m not a complete failure because I have made some real progress. I know this is wrong… and all you die hard 6 month guys relax….. I’m just reporting what is going through my head right now. Again… I was 22+ years solid with the stuff in my mouth.
I have also learned that I’m still very far from being “out of the woods” Thought like above and also I haven’t had a “real test” yet as far as stress or triggering events like hunting/fishing. We’ll see …. Either way I know it’s going to take months… maybe years to whip this thing completely.
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Day 10 –
I’m very proud of myself – 10 days without a dip. Actually haven't used the nic gum for the last 4 days . I would have never dreamed after 22+ years of doing a can every single day.
What I have learned –
Day 1-2 – yes they suck the worse
Day 3-10 – pretty much the same. Smokey mountain snuff has helped a lot for me. Candy and gum as well.
Mind games - I have had a few instances over the last few days where the “one dip won’t hurt anything” came into my head. Had to fight it off real hard. I guess we all start to get a little too confident after a week or so without dip… I figure one dip won’t hurt and I can stop anytime now. Wrong. This sounds real bad but I feel like I deserve a dip in a way… or if I do take a dip I’m not a complete failure because I have made some real progress. I know this is wrong… and all you die hard 6 month guys relax….. I’m just reporting what is going through my head right now. Again… I was 22+ years solid with the stuff in my mouth.
I have also learned that I’m still very far from being “out of the woods” Thought like above and also I haven’t had a “real test” yet as far as stress or triggering events like hunting/fishing. We’ll see …. Either way I know it’s going to take months… maybe years to whip this thing completely.
Then you're on day 4 here at the "no-nicotine" site. I hope you haven't been posting roll while using the nic gum.
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I havenÂ’t posted roll yet because First, IÂ’m not sure how. Second, IÂ’m still chewing around 2-3 pieces of nic gun each day to help with the first week. From what I read, itÂ’s not official until I drop the replacement nicÂ…..even though it is only a small fraction of the nic my body is used to each day. I understand the logic and Yes, YesÂ… I understand IÂ’m prolonging the pain.
But to meÂ….as long as a dip doesnÂ’t go into my mouthÂ… IÂ’m successful in my eyes. I plan to drop the gum all together in the next few days. I was never one of those people that could just quit for a few daysÂ…. Few weeks or even a few years and then just randomly start doing it again. I dipped every single day for the last 22-25 yearsÂ…. never skipped one single dayÂ…. I couldnÂ’t.
It still blows my mind how some people I know only dip while doing a certain activity like hunting, fishing. They can put it away for weeks at a time and then take a dip or two when they are back doing their favorite activity. I never understood how people can do thatÂ….
Day 4 – pretty much the same as the last 2 days. My sense of taste is so much better… I ate a peach yesterday and was amazed.
What has helped me so far – reading a lot of other stories on this web site and Smokey Mountain fake snuff.
Man the nic replacement gum is gonna get you just as bad as the tobacco! I just replied this on another poster that talked about the gum!
No shit......I know a guy that quit with nic gum......instead of a $30 a week addiction to skoal he now has a $50 addiction to nicorette!
You are just fooling yourself. And as far as saying "I was a 22 - 25 year dipper without missing a day".....that is just your addiction to nic talking! You are telling yourself you are successful in your eyes cuz its not dip?!?!?!? There are plenty of 20 plus year dippers on this site that quit cold turkey! If you are using nic gum you are not quit! It is the same as any other drug addict just going from one method to another! Just quit!
I am not saying this without experience.....I used the gum for 2 days and learned quick from the guys here that it is still feeding the addiction! I quit the gum after that......you need to as well!
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Well after 25 years of the can, I have been clean for 3 weeks. Never in a million years did I think this was possible.
My experience so far --days 3-21 (current) have been pretty much the same. Nothing has really changed since the initial shock of days 1-3. I still have the same urges and craving as I did any other day. Yes, some times are worse than others.
What helps me? Cinnamon hard candy/gum and the fake dip. I always have one of these things in my mouth.
My thoughts lately -
1. I have not even started to beat this thing because I still have not been “tested” very hard – major triggers like major stress event, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. When do constant cravings stop?
3. I know for sure quitting can be doneÂ…it is possible... which is good!
Dr has prescribed Chantix to helpÂ… but I have not taken it. Experts - do you think I shouldÂ…since I have been weeks now without anything? I heard that Chantix can make you crazy.
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I have heard crazy stories about Chantix before. It's up to you, but I'd personally stay away. Even if it helps real well, the stuff I've heard doesn't make it seem worth the risk.
I don't know if possible on Chantix, but I also want to remember these 8 days of shit-quit and look back on it as something I never want to go through again.
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I have heard crazy stories about Chantix before. It's up to you, but I'd personally stay away. Even if it helps real well, the stuff I've heard doesn't make it seem worth the risk.
I don't know if possible on Chantix, but I also want to remember these 8 days of shit-quit and look back on it as something I never want to go through again.
Great job on your quit so far K5! I'm a 38 year dipper on my 20th day of quit. I'm thinking that after having something in my mouth for 38 years that I'm probably always going to have something in my mouth. The good thing is now it doesn't have to be dip - I have a choice! I'm still new to this but let me try to answer your questions:
1. You will never "beat" this thing. You are a Nicotine addict. One slip and you are back to day one. That is why we quit one day at a time, every day. Post roll and commit to quit. Do it every morning. It really does help to keep you focused and more importantly not let you forget you are an addict and always will be.
2. You've had something in your mouth for 25 years. I bet you'll need something in your mouth for a long time after quiting. But at least you can choose something better than poison. Sunflower seeds, gum, tea bags, fake snuff, etc. all can help. The hard core Nic attacks will get fewer and fewer but be careful because they can jump up out of the blue even after years of quit. The need or habit of having somehting in your mouth is something that hopefully you can differentiate from a Nic craving and satisfy with something else.
3. Quitting is absolutely possible and we do it every day! Thing is, you have to be committed. There is no other choice but to admit you are an addict and never let any Nic in your body again. Fight it with anger and accept who you are!
P.S. - my buddy, who is dying of stomach cancer and inspired me to finally quit this crap, tried Chantix about 3 months before being diagnosed with cancer. The Chantix made him violently ill for 2 weeks then he stopped. I sure hope it was dip and not Chantix that gave him the cancer...
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These are kind of old, I had them stashed somewhere collecting dust. Maybe they can help here...
anxiety threads
index.php?showtopic=2386 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2386)
The Latest On Quit Nic Drugs Chantix and Zyban
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=150 (http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=150)
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Bad day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW25kwUq ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW25kwUqce0&feature=related)