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Title: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 09, 2009, 07:47:00 PM
I picked up a can of dip in college while I was the only one in town, lonely during Christmas, watching It's a Wonderful Life. That was 2004.

I'm a filmmaker. For 5 years, dip has been my security blanket, helping me to write, study, edit, unwind after long days, and deuce. I got married last year, and after unsuccessfully hiding my habit (I'm a terrible liar), my wife had kind of learned to live with it.

The other day, I told her about this site, about wanting to buy some herbal hooch, and that I was serious about quitting. She started crying, because rather than nag, she has bottled up her concern for my health for the 4 years we've been together.

I had a stupid flurry of abuse the past two days, dipping a can of Grizzly Mint before work, at lunch, and after work. Today I dipped the last bit at lunch, and now I'm stuffing my face with sunflower seeds and herbal hooch. I almost blew up on my boss, every move the dog makes gets on my nerves, and I've just kind of been staring at shit since I got off of work, but HEY. I'm not addicted.

So, 5 years, about a can a week, 2 cans a week during high stress times (filming, screenings). At my best, I laugh at the whole idea of dipping and how stupid it is. At my worst, I can't even imagine what it's like to truly relax anymore without dipping.

Posting roll call tomorrow. This place is awesome.

OOPS: I'm Ben, by the way - North Alabama - 26 - Favorite Movies: Raiders of the Lost Ark, O Brother Where Art Thou, Rear Window, Unforgiven, On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: ChoosingIntegrity on December 09, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: thestarkness
I picked up a can of dip in college while I was the only one in town, lonely during Christmas, watching It's a Wonderful Life. That was 2004.

I'm a filmmaker. For 5 years, dip has been my security blanket, helping me to write, study, edit, unwind after long days, and deuce. I got married last year, and after unsuccessfully hiding my habit (I'm a terrible liar), my wife had kind of learned to live with it.

The other day, I told her about this site, about wanting to buy some herbal hooch, and that I was serious about quitting. She started crying, because rather than nag, she has bottled up her concern for my health for the 4 years we've been together.

I had a stupid flurry of abuse the past two days, dipping a can of Grizzly Mint before work, at lunch, and after work. Today I dipped the last bit at lunch, and now I'm stuffing my face with sunflower seeds and herbal hooch. I almost blew up on my boss, every move the dog makes gets on my nerves, and I've just kind of been staring at shit since I got off of work, but HEY. I'm not addicted.

So, 5 years, about a can a week, 2 cans a week during high stress times (filming, screenings). At my best, I laugh at the whole idea of dipping and how stupid it is. At my worst, I can't even imagine what it's like to truly relax anymore without dipping.

Posting roll call tomorrow. This place is awesome.

OOPS: I'm Ben, by the way - North Alabama - 26 - Favorite Movies: Raiders of the Lost Ark, O Brother Where Art Thou, Rear Window, Unforgiven, On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Sounds like you picked the right girl... lucky you!

How's the Hooch (chew, that is)? I've gone the first 6 days still waiting for mine in the mail. Got a review to toss our way?

Glad you're here. March2010 is growing and going.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: cdforecheck on December 09, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
one day at a time, one hour at a time, one second at a time...

this is how i handled the early days, if i made it to quit so will you:

real simple...don't buy, beg, borrow, bum, or steal a dip...post roll everyday like your life depends on it (it does)...get some numbers from your quit group and use them...
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Rook on December 10, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: cdforecheck
one day at a time, one hour at a time, one second at a time...

this is how i handled the early days, if i made it to quit so will you:

real simple...don't buy, beg, borrow, bum, or steal a dip...post roll everyday like your life depends on it (it does)...get some numbers from your quit group and use them...
Now why didn't I get this kind of reception from you cd? 'no'

Welcome stark. This is truly the place to be. These guys have all become my best friends and brothers and I've never even seen them. By far the best part of the day for me is posting roll and promising my new friends that I won't be a prisoner to nicotine. You'll get thru it. One day at a time.

Rook
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: daniel-san on December 10, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
Glad you're with us stark....... I'm 25y/can a day/copenhagen on Day 11..... quit for 2 years about 11 years ago just by myself but the support/accountability here is off the hook..... You WILL do this.

But put your helmet on for the next few days! And realize that each day that passes you just KICKED THE ASS of the nic-bitch....
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 10, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Thanks for having me, dudes. I'm feeling pretty good for Day 1... I've had cravings from time to time, but for safety, I've kept on my feet doing busy work and avoided the biggest trigger: editing. I'll kick that one in the nards tomorrow, but I'm not getting my hopes up that I'll get much real work done.

The biggest frustration I'm having is replacing the good stuff dip offered, namely: focus and, uh, shit regularity. I know dip causes as much anxiety as it "cures", but I didn't know if anyone had any substitutes to offer for keeping my mind from wandering and keeping the chocolate factory in operation. (Boy, I love internet anonymity, especially around a bunch of guys.)

As far as a review for Chattahoochie Herbal Snuff: I used to dip long cut, so the fine texture isn't up my alley. The taste doesn't last long, and quickly starts to taste like paper (the mint is worse than the spicy one for this). BUT, it keeps my lip full and fools my brain for a few seconds. I trade between it and sunflower seeds. Honestly, it was worth the price just to have something to look forward to. I didn't trust myself to quit until my shipment came in, and that mental anticipation helped me clinch day 1.

But, overall, feeling pretty good. No headaches, a little insomnia last night, no mood swings... I'm almost tempted to take this less seriously, BUT I KNOW BETTER.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Ready on December 10, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: thestarkness
Thanks for having me, dudes. I'm feeling pretty good for Day 1... I've had cravings from time to time, but for safety, I've kept on my feet doing busy work and avoided the biggest trigger: editing. I'll kick that one in the nards tomorrow, but I'm not getting my hopes up that I'll get much real work done.

The biggest frustration I'm having is replacing the good stuff dip offered, namely: focus and, uh, shit regularity. I know dip causes as much anxiety as it "cures", but I didn't know if anyone had any substitutes to offer for keeping my mind from wandering and keeping the chocolate factory in operation. (Boy, I love internet anonymity, especially around a bunch of guys.)

As far as a review for Chattahoochie Herbal Snuff: I used to dip long cut, so the fine texture isn't up my alley. The taste doesn't last long, and quickly starts to taste like paper (the mint is worse than the spicy one for this). BUT, it keeps my lip full and fools my brain for a few seconds. I trade between it and sunflower seeds. Honestly, it was worth the price just to have something to look forward to. I didn't trust myself to quit until my shipment came in, and that mental anticipation helped me clinch day 1.

But, overall, feeling pretty good. No headaches, a little insomnia last night, no mood swings... I'm almost tempted to take this less seriously, BUT I KNOW BETTER.
What helped me the first week was that I did not expect to accomplish anything at home or work for the first week. I had no expectation of getting anything done but staying quit. It worked, took alot of pressure off.

It will get better. It will get to the point where there are weeks between even thinking about dipping. I am proof that you can do this.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Skoal Monster on December 10, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: Ready
Quote from: thestarkness
Thanks for having me, dudes. I'm feeling pretty good for Day 1... I've had cravings from time to time, but for safety, I've kept on my feet doing busy work and avoided the biggest trigger: editing. I'll kick that one in the nards tomorrow, but I'm not getting my hopes up that I'll get much real work done.

The biggest frustration I'm having is replacing the good stuff dip offered, namely: focus and, uh, shit regularity. I know dip causes as much anxiety as it "cures", but I didn't know if anyone had any substitutes to offer for keeping my mind from wandering and keeping the chocolate factory in operation. (Boy, I love internet anonymity, especially around a bunch of guys.)

As far as a review for Chattahoochie Herbal Snuff: I used to dip long cut, so the fine texture isn't up my alley. The taste doesn't last long, and quickly starts to taste like paper (the mint is worse than the spicy one for this). BUT, it keeps my lip full and fools my brain for a few seconds. I trade between it and sunflower seeds. Honestly, it was worth the price just to have something to look forward to. I didn't trust myself to quit until my shipment came in, and that mental anticipation helped me clinch day 1.

But, overall, feeling pretty good. No headaches, a little insomnia last night, no mood swings... I'm almost tempted to take this less seriously, BUT I KNOW BETTER.
What helped me the first week was that I did not expect to accomplish anything at home or work for the first week. I had no expectation of getting anything done but staying quit. It worked, took alot of pressure off.

It will get better. It will get to the point where there are weeks between even thinking about dipping. I am proof that you can do this.
I hated hooch. It was like trying to dip shredded wet bread . It was ok for about 10 seconds before it disenegrated. Google the main ingredient. It is the same thing they put in herbal breast enlargement supplements. :blink: . So ....yeah.....just sayin. On the plus side you'll always have boobs to play with and you won't have cancer.
Try Smokeymtn , the wintergreen wasn't great but I thought the straight tasted a lil like cope. I finally settled into cinnamin Oregon mint. Try em all , it'll give you something to do. Put a rabid weasel in your mouth if it helps , just no tobacco.

sM
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: ahfull on December 11, 2009, 01:07:00 AM
Rabid weasel definitely helps.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 11, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
Sweet, my own set of hooters will definitely curb the boredom.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 11, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
Got them nerves going. Made some herbal tea to calm down, but my downstairs neighbor is probably wondering why there's a jackhammer up here. I'm tapping my feet at 100 MPH. I should probably go to the gym instead of trying to get work done.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: cubs204 on December 11, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: thestarkness
Got them nerves going. Made some herbal tea to calm down, but my downstairs neighbor is probably wondering why there's a jackhammer up here. I'm tapping my feet at 100 MPH. I should probably go to the gym instead of trying to get work done.
working out helps. Early on if the craves got too bad I bolted out the door on a run.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: ChoosingIntegrity on December 11, 2009, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: cubs204
Quote from: thestarkness
Got them nerves going. Made some herbal tea to calm down, but my downstairs neighbor is probably wondering why there's a jackhammer up here. I'm tapping my feet at 100 MPH. I should probably go to the gym instead of trying to get work done.
working out helps. Early on if the craves got too bad I bolted out the door on a run.
Exercising has been helping me A LOT!!! Up to 8 miles a day on the elliptical machine... takes me about an hour... and shifts my disposition for much of the remainder of the day.

And, cubs204... if you happen to see a random hand pop up somewhere in your avatar, that would be me coming up for air
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 12, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
Real bad mood today... I've officially gotten further than I have in a quit since I started back last December (after a 3 month quit). I've also gotten past several huge triggers (editing, big meals, running errands). That doesn't change the fact that I want to eviscerate a family of small woodland creatures right now.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Rawaldem on December 12, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: thestarkness
Real bad mood today... I've officially gotten further than I have in a quit since I started back last December (after a 3 month quit). I've also gotten past several huge triggers (editing, big meals, running errands). That doesn't change the fact that I want to eviscerate a family of small woodland creatures right now.
I hear you brother, I wanted to break everything and looked for reasons to rage. I laughed at your line about the dog, my dog was the target of some of my rage in the early days also. Just burn this feeling into your mind. Shit, write it down. Just know that the way you feel now will get better and the pain is penance for our own stupidity. Using tobacco is stupid, and what is even more stupid is starting back up after you have been quit and going through this again.

Stay strong and quit and PM me if you need to rage on someone other than the dog.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 12, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Thanks! Despite my general grumpiness today, I keep realizing that I'M FREE and this is the cost of that freedom. On the whole, I'm a pretty good decision-maker with money, time, relationships, etc... It's taken some bad mistakes in every area to learn that. But this stupid dip habit has kept me from being truly proud of myself for 5 years, and not until this quit have it really hit me what a pussass slave I've been to some $2.15 chemical in a plastic can.

So, as the fella says, I'll embrace the suck and smile at my freedom, despite the headache and the desire to crush the dog's skull into a fine powder.

...

She's really a good dog, now I feel guilty.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 13, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
Day 4... Mentally feeling okay today, but my mouth tastes like green and gray nothingness. Tomorrow I go back to a real day at work, at the end of which I used to enjoy some down time with dip... I'll have to make some tea or something instead!

What's great is that I don't have to constantly make stressful decisions any more.

"Will the wife get mad if I say I feel like dipping?"

"Do I have time to dip real quick before going somewhere?"

"I wonder if anyone I know sees me driving around with a giant dip in."
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Show on December 13, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
stark, congratulations. Just finishing up my 4th day as well. Got a new symptom (annoyance) ~ my mouth feels like it is just waking up from novacane. I want to chew on the inside of cheeks.

Keep up the good fight. Looking forward to getting to the HOF with this cohort in tact....especially considering how dramatic it started out.

Peace and let me know if I can ever help.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: thestarkness on December 15, 2009, 08:05:00 AM
Looking forward to making the HOF. I went into TWO stores yesterday and paid for something, accidentally winding up at the tobacco cashier. I even had extra cash the second time.

I'll admit I got a craving, and the compromise wheels started turning. They got stopped dead in their tracks when I realized how GOOD I felt, how clearly I can think, and how, miraculously, there are a ton more things to look forward to in the day when the number one thing isn't dip.

Is there a caving epidemic going on? I haven't noticed, outside of my roll thread. Blessings on those guys, I'm sure they were in deeper than I was.

*One Funny Note: I do keep noticing good deals on dip. I did Grizzly or Skoal (2.15-3.50 a can), and now I see they sell Kayak for like $0.99!?! That stuff has to be just pure plastic and shredded goat scrotum, because that is TOO cheap.
Title: Re: Day Zero
Post by: Show on December 15, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
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shredded goat scrotum
Maybe I need to give the goat scrotum a try because I have f'en lock jaw from all of the Orbit and Trident I have been chewing.