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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: elkhills on April 16, 2011, 06:29:00 AM
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Been peeking in here there, mostly there, the last couple weeks. Been using the patch/gum/losange combo... ... was that a bullet that just wizzed by? Hold your fire, today marks 1 whole month without tobacco and 2 days without nicotine!!! ... so I can say hello now, right, without getting shot at? :)
So lessee, me... 39, 12 hour shift worker (hence the intro post @ 03:14), living in my house are: 1 wife/3 kids/2 bunnies/2 hamsters/1 Beagle (who thinks the previous 4 critters are feeder bunnies/hamsters) and occasional stray inlaws (I try to discourage this activity). Can or less per day of Skoal habit since High School, which has wreaked havok on my gums. The new dentist I saw on March 16th scared me straight. Of course I have discovered Hooch Smokey Mtn (which I like better) and so traded one bad habit for another. I'm also getting alarmingly fat. Did I mention sunflower seeds and gum and lifesavers and worthers candy? And that I feel like I did when I was 15- there is not enough food to ever make me not hungry! Man I have an appetite again.
I'm also 9 days into Chantix, which I guess is working since I'm not experiancing any mind warping jonesing yet. Speaking of mind warping, no weird dreams at all, those came mostly the first week when I was crashing hard from nicotine reduction. That was a hard week.
I will end this initial post with this random tidbit: You know what I'm doing right this second that I have never tried before? Dipping coffee. Yup, a couple pinches of coffee grounds, and I think it's actually working to perk me up! Mind you, I type this 9 hours in to a first Nightshift, @ 03:23, 2 days into no nicotine. Wouldn't even have tried it but I'm almost out of fake chew, my new crutch, which is ordered but still have to wait a week for it to show up, and needing some caffine. Got the idea from a Marine buddy, guess they would make a little MRE instant coffee bandit?
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Welcome elkhills and congrats on finally pitching the patches and gum.....you don't need it. As far as the other stuff, if it's working, keep at it.
Oh yeah, go find your roll call in the July 2011 quit group, post up and get involved.
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Hey Elk,
Welcome to the best decision you ever made. Make sure you've pitched ALL of your gum/patches/lozenges. All of it. You're done with nicotine in any form, right?
Chantix: I used it. You don't need it. Eventually you're going to have to stop it anyway. Might as well save your money and stop it now. Just sayin'...the shit is expensive and you're used enough crutches, ie the patches, gum, and lozenges.
Time to put your big boy pants on and stand on your own two feet. If I can do it, you can do it.
Listen to Red...go post in July and let's get this done.
-NOLAQ
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Elk- I am in your July 2011 group and today I am Quit with you. I noticed you have not Posted Roll Call. You should do so ASAP. This makes all the difference. I dipped for 30 years and I am on Day 2. I posted Roll Call very early this morning to keep from going and buying some Kodiak. I'm still in a fog right now and have to keep looking at what I just typed to see if I'm making any sense. If there's anything I can do to help please send a PM. I will be looking to see when you Post Roll Call. We are in this together. Peace...
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Elk-Post Roll Call, it makes all the difference. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. We are in this together. Peace
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Elk, welcome and congrats on a great decision.
I noticed that you haven't posted roll yet. If you need any help at all, just throw a PM my way.
It's absolutely instrumental that you begin posting roll immediately. Believe me, you want to do it. No more delay.
Let's get this ball of quit rollin'.
Glad to quit with you.
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Thought I did "post roll call", twice now? I followed the copy paste instructions and put my name at the bottom of the list of "quitters"... in the "Pre HOF July 2011" thread. Hmm... I'll try again 'bang head'
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Elk, you indeed posted roll properly both days. This morning you along with several others were accidentally deleted by a new member this morning. Carry on.
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Cool, no worries :)
The important thing to me is that I completed another 24 hours without any nicotine. And those particular 24 hours were the third set, meaning "Day 3" aka the hardest day. I'm over the hump! There is zero nicotine in my brain!!! Yeah me! And hooray for you too! Thanks guys for the encouragement!!!
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Cool, no worries :)
The important thing to me is that I completed another 24 hours without any nicotine. And those particular 24 hours were the third set, meaning "Day 3" aka the hardest day. I'm over the hump! There is zero nicotine in my brain!!! Yeah me! And hooray for you too! Thanks guys for the encouragement!!!
good show, we're airborne. Some great days await...there will be some bumps along the way so stay buckled in! We'll get through this together
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Elk-Awesome! I thought something weird was going on with all the bumps today and even posted a little blurb about it. I'm finishing my Day 3 Quit and I haven't slept and I'm in a fog so I couldn't figure out what was going on but glad it got resolved. So your finishing Day 4 right now? That is great. I will be trying to catch up to you-one day at a time! We are in this Quit together. Peace
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Elk-Awesome! I thought something weird was going on with all the bumps today and even posted a little blurb about it. I'm finishing my Day 3 Quit and I haven't slept and I'm in a fog so I couldn't figure out what was going on but glad it got resolved.
So your finishing Day 4 right now? That is great. I will be trying to catch up to you-one day at a time! We are in this Quit together. Peace
See, it's hard for me to say. We might be dead even... April 14th? I guess this is my intro thread, I can getcha all caught up :)
I'm calling March 16th, 2011 my "Quit Day". That's the day I left the new DDS' office in shame, knowing it was time to put away this nasty old bad habit; and off I reluctantly went to Wally World, for all my painkillers. 21mg patch, 4mg gum, chewed a piece every hour or so those first few days. Let me derail right here and say that a 21mg (patch)+ 96 mg (4mg gum x 24 per day) was NOWHERE NEAR the amount of nicotine I was used to. Less than half, for sure. The smoking websites say the average cigarette gives you about 1 mg per cancer stick. If those numbers are right, a pack a day smoker would get about 24mg of nicotine a day then. I am telling you right here and now as God as my witness 117mg per day of Store Bought Pharmacutical Grade Nicotine was LESS THAN HALF of what us can-a-day dippers get. I don't care what anyone else says, I know what I went through that first week. Freaky dreams. Tossing and turning, fits of sleep mixed with insomnia. Jonesing so bad for chew I wanted to scream! Irritability, the constant common denominator throughout. A freaking monarch butterfly could have landed on a kitten and it would have pissed me off. But I didn't give in. Oh, I looked at it. I opened the lid and inhaled deeply, eyes closed, held it in like a hit off a joint, and exhaled slowly through pursed lips. Then I snapped the lid back on and set the can aside. Memories of a lost love.
*que romantic melody: "Killing me softly..."*
I have not touched tobacco since March 16th, 2011. I'm proud of that. I know you guys don't recognise that date since I still had a trickle charge of nicotine flowing, and that's cool- your house your rules, but that is the day I quit. Those first days were the worst. That's where I experianced the signs symptoms of withdrawel. Maybe I just prolonged it all by going the NRT route, I don't know, whatever it worked, I'm clean :)
On April 8th I started the first low dose of Chantix on a day off. It made me sleep all day, after that... nothing. By then I was using one patch by day, nothing by night, and a few (1 to 4) losanges depending on how bad the wife was pissing me off that day. I truley believe by the end of this week I could have just gone Cold Turkey and succeded, but I had already bought the expensive Chantix prescription and bought in to the hype. BTW, side note: losanges work WAY better than the gum. Worth the extra expense if youre going that route.
April 14th, 2011 I pulled off the last Nicotine Patch following an episode of violent nausea vomiting; full on toilet bowl hugging-bile up the back of my nose-tap water tastes as sweet as Mountain friggin Dew afterwords. Appareantly Chantix should be taken on a full stomach, and in the absence of nicotine at the higher "Week 2" dose. That's a tip from your Uncle Elk, for you guys thinking about Chantix.
10 days in to the Chantix treatment now, which is 7 days of low dose "starter pack" and then many weeks of a higher dosage. 3 days into that HD routine and so far aside from puking my stomach inside out on that first pill I have had no ill effects. I have not had the urge to kill myself, or anyone else that I did not want to kill previously. No freaky dreams like that first week of withdrawel, which makes me wonder if the weird dreams aren't just a symptom of nicotine withdrawel itself? I don't really even want to chew most of the time, though I really do enjoy my fake stuff and wish it would hurry the hell up and get here in the mail. Thank goodness a friend of mine had some frozen in his freezer from a 2009 quit he gave up on. He hooked me up w/ 5 cans of pretty awful 2 year old freezer burnt Oregon Mint Snuff which I am loving compared to the NOTHING I had :lol:
I have promised to hook him up with Grape, Wintergreen and Mint Smokey Mtn when they show up, and help him quit for good with me. PS. Somehow, thank goodness this forum gets through the firewall at work (hehehe) so goodie for him and me, we can learn, support and get supported on the clock! :)
So yeah, I know I went a different route than the Cold Turkey Method, but you know I always have been one to do things the way I think they should be done, and fuck you if you don't like it- no offense! :) All roads lead to Rome, right? Whether I'm quit for 32 days or 3 days, the important thing is I'M QUIT!!!
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I'm using the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. I add cayenne pepper to it and it's really not as bad as I thought it would be. I dipped for 30 years and I am concerned that I will have a tougher time quitting the physical act of dipping than quitting nic. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
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I'd like to ask a few questions if anyone knows the answers:
1. When will the excessive farting end?
2. What can I expect when coming off the Chantix drug?
3. Is there a chart somewhere that shows craveing severity over time, say like over a year or so?
I found one illustrating the first week (which was very accurate I thought), but then there is usually one massive crave at the +/- 2 week mark people often mention, and some people talk of one at 100 days, a year, etc. Knowledge is power, right? Helps to know what's coming at you so you can prepare ahead of time!
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I'd like to ask a few questions if anyone knows the answers:
1. When will the excessive farting end?
2. What can I expect when coming off the Chantix drug?
3. Is there a chart somewhere that shows craveing severity over time, say like over a year or so?
I found one illustrating the first week (which was very accurate I thought), but then there is usually one massive crave at the +/- 2 week mark people often mention, and some people talk of one at 100 days, a year, etc. Knowledge is power, right? Helps to know what's coming at you so you can prepare ahead of time!
A pretty accurate breakdown on KTC.org:
What to expect (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
From what I have heard and experienced, craves can hit at any time - even post "comma" - with varying intensity. What gets easier is how you handle them. I am at 89 days, and the craves still come out of no where. Sometimes they are enough to give me sweats and look like a crack head but really brief, other times they are like a gentle tug that wont go away.
They are getting easier to swat away, but I still turn to seeds, fireballs, gum, etc. when they get rough. So long as you post roll and honor your word, you will be fine.
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I'd like to ask a few questions if anyone knows the answers:
1. When will the excessive farting end?
2. What can I expect when coming off the Chantix drug?
3. Is there a chart somewhere that shows craveing severity over time, say like over a year or so?
I found one illustrating the first week (which was very accurate I thought), but then there is usually one massive crave at the +/- 2 week mark people often mention, and some people talk of one at 100 days, a year, etc. Knowledge is power, right? Helps to know what's coming at you so you can prepare ahead of time!
A pretty accurate breakdown on KTC.org:
What to expect (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
From what I have heard and experienced, craves can hit at any time - even post "comma" - with varying intensity. What gets easier is how you handle them. I am at 89 days, and the craves still come out of no where. Sometimes they are enough to give me sweats and look like a crack head but really brief, other times they are like a gentle tug that wont go away.
They are getting easier to swat away, but I still turn to seeds, fireballs, gum, etc. when they get rough. So long as you post roll and honor your word, you will be fine.
Read that link. I used that page daily it seemed for the first 100. I thought for sure every day whatever new something I had going on had to be unique to me, to my surprise it was not.
Everything gets easier as time passes. But never fall into the trap of " I have this thing whipped." " I am cured. " You are and will always be an addict, as will I. I have posted my word here for 526 straight days. Do that and keep your word and everything else will work itself out.
STAY QUIT
Greg
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Elk-I certainly can't wrap my mind around much of this. What I mean is, each day seems so different than the one before and each day changes throughout the course of that day. I post Roll Call every day and when the crave hits I use Smokey Mountain. I try to stay on here as often as I can and I try to keep posting even though, honestly, I don't have a lot to say. I do it anyway because I am trying to work my Quit and protect it. I'm not even drinking right now because I don't want to risk my Quit and I know myself well enough to know that that's what I need to do. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. (Day 9) Peace
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38 days.
Slept like shit last night. I think I'm "in the fog", as I've heard it described. Let me elaborate:
Tired, grouchy, kids bickering hella loud; escaped upstairs after dinner to watch the first episode of the new season of Dual Survival (which is badass, DVR that sh!t) and promptly passed out cold, about 20:05.
Awakened @ 22:00, wife is frisky. This is one of the few acceptable reasons for ever waking me up before a Dayshift. Fire, burglery... sex. Yeah, that's about all I can think of right now.
Watched first episode of the new season of Dual Survival. A one hour Tornado of Badassery.
Watched American Restoration. Another hour of awesome.
Fast forwarded to the last 2 minutes of American Idol. It was the Mexican kid. Good. I'm pulling for the rocker w/ Turrettes Syndrome.
00:05- TV off. Stare at cieling. Toss. Turn. Try to ignore wifes snoring. Lay in the dark until all that is in my world is the next SNUUUUUGH. SNUUUUUUUGGGHHH. SNUGH-SNUGH-SNUGH! reverberating in my brain... I heard someone once say "it's not the snore that gets ya, it's the waiting for the next one". That is Truth.
00:30ish- relocate to downstairs couch.
03:something. Awake again. Back upstairs. Snoring has stopped. The Beagle has layed claim to the Alpha Dog spot on the bed. I win it back after a short territorial scrimmage. Fitful bursts of sleep until 04:40, when the alarm tells me it's time to let the dog have his spot back.
His lazy ass is probably still there right now.
Damn right I'm jealous.
And so here I am, half asleep, having a hard time concentrating on anything, kind of just running on auto-pilot. "In the Fog"? Everything seems kind of... far away. Very glad it's a dead boring Saturday at work.
Hey, one more day and I'm on Vacation!
And I'm barely farting at all today.
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Days 40-50 were some of my worst. Thought I was loosing my mind. A ton of anxiety and just generally feeling out of it. Started feeling much better after that and have not looked back. Power through this and you will get better!
Whatever happens, do not dip!
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I'm using the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. I add cayenne pepper to it and it's really not as bad as I thought it would be. I dipped for 30 years and I am concerned that I will have a tougher time quitting the physical act of dipping than quitting nic. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
same here... after 21 days the nicotine addiction hasn't been that hard to kick, but the physical act of dipping is proving harder to swat away. not sure how i will go about kicking the fake Hooch stuff. by the way that shit gives me worse heartburn than Skoal did.
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I'm using the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. I add cayenne pepper to it and it's really not as bad as I thought it would be. I dipped for 30 years and I am concerned that I will have a tougher time quitting the physical act of dipping than quitting nic. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
same here... after 21 days the nicotine addiction hasn't been that hard to kick, but the physical act of dipping is proving harder to swat away. not sure how i will go about kicking the fake Hooch stuff. by the way that shit gives me worse heartburn than Skoal did.
I haven't had a problem with heartburn using Smokey Mountain. I can't compare it to Hooch though cuz I haven't tried that and I'm happy enough with SM that I'm not really even interested in trying anything else. I'm even starting to forget what Kodiak tasted like because I'm going through a can of SM a day. I still use the fake stuff as soon as I get home, while I play/practice guitar, after I run... Yeah, I am actually becoming
more concerned about how I am going to stop the physical act of dipping but at least I can deal with that problem while being nicotine free... Peace
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I'm using the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. I add cayenne pepper to it and it's really not as bad as I thought it would be. I dipped for 30 years and I am concerned that I will have a tougher time quitting the physical act of dipping than quitting nic. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
same here... after 21 days the nicotine addiction hasn't been that hard to kick, but the physical act of dipping is proving harder to swat away. not sure how i will go about kicking the fake Hooch stuff. by the way that shit gives me worse heartburn than Skoal did.
I haven't had a problem with heartburn using Smokey Mountain. I can't compare it to Hooch though cuz I haven't tried that and I'm happy enough with SM that I'm not really even interested in trying anything else. I'm even starting to forget what Kodiak tasted like because I'm going through a can of SM a day. I still use the fake stuff as soon as I get home, while I play/practice guitar, after I run... Yeah, I am actually becoming
more concerned about how I am going to stop the physical act of dipping but at least I can deal with that problem while being nicotine free... Peace
Yeah, no heartburn for me either... are you guys "gutting" it? I spit untill it's almost dead.
I have to think that after a while, a few months, the fake stuff is going to be less less important until it's just a "once in a while when I go fishing" type activity.
If not, well, the wife broke all 3 of our kids off of their Binky's... I guess she'll just have to break me too. I reserve the option to throw a fit.
Maybe I'll do a little mini review to date;
1. I think Hooch has a good flavor and a real good "burn", but the stuff is a little too dry and it turns my teeth green! Cleaning out a dip is a chore that nearly requires a toothbrush.
2. Smokey Mtn is real close in texture to my old nemisis Skoal, which is probably why I like it so much, it feels comfortable. The mint flavor not so good but wintergreen is the shiznit. Grape tastes like Kool Aid :)
3. Oregon Mint (wintergreen aka "Beaver Chew") has little to no flavor, burn or realistic texture. My least favorite so far, that flavorless lump is not the business.
4. Baac-Off is ordered and in the mail... I'll letcha know.
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I'm using the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen. I add cayenne pepper to it and it's really not as bad as I thought it would be. I dipped for 30 years and I am concerned that I will have a tougher time quitting the physical act of dipping than quitting nic. Today I posted Roll Call and today I am Quit. Peace
same here... after 21 days the nicotine addiction hasn't been that hard to kick, but the physical act of dipping is proving harder to swat away. not sure how i will go about kicking the fake Hooch stuff. by the way that shit gives me worse heartburn than Skoal did.
I haven't had a problem with heartburn using Smokey Mountain. I can't compare it to Hooch though cuz I haven't tried that and I'm happy enough with SM that I'm not really even interested in trying anything else. I'm even starting to forget what Kodiak tasted like because I'm going through a can of SM a day. I still use the fake stuff as soon as I get home, while I play/practice guitar, after I run... Yeah, I am actually becoming
more concerned about how I am going to stop the physical act of dipping but at least I can deal with that problem while being nicotine free... Peace
Yeah, no heartburn for me either... are you guys "gutting" it? I spit untill it's almost dead.
I have to think that after a while, a few months, the fake stuff is going to be less less important until it's just a "once in a while when I go fishing" type activity.
If not, well, the wife broke all 3 of our kids off of their Binky's... I guess she'll just have to break me too. I reserve the option to throw a fit.
Maybe I'll do a little mini review to date;
1. I think Hooch has a good flavor and a real good "burn", but the stuff is a little too dry and it turns my teeth green! Cleaning out a dip is a chore that nearly requires a toothbrush.
2. Smokey Mtn is real close in texture to my old nemisis Skoal, which is probably why I like it so much, it feels comfortable. The mint flavor not so good but wintergreen is the shiznit. Grape tastes like Kool Aid :)
3. Oregon Mint (wintergreen aka "Beaver Chew") has little to no flavor, burn or realistic texture. My least favorite so far, that flavorless lump is not the business.
4. Baac-Off is ordered and in the mail... I'll letcha know.
No "gutting it" for me. Yeah, I'm hoping that at some point my body will realize there's no nicotine in the SM and dipping all the time will just start losing its appeal. I am really surprised at how much I am enjoying the Smokey Mtn (wintergreen.) Good stuff. Peace
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I am still using the Hooch but using less than when I was first quit. The thing is there is no real dependency, so if I go on an outing with the family, there is no need to take along any "companions". When I was using the poison, I was always trying to sneak away from my family to feed my addiction. Makes life far more enjoyable to be able to focus on the fun rather on feeding some stupid addiction. I am not to worried about using the hooch, as I know my interest in it will continue to fade until I simply don't buy it anymore.
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I am still using the Hooch but using less than when I was first quit. The thing is there is no real dependency, so if I go on an outing with the family, there is no need to take along any "companions". When I was using the poison, I was always trying to sneak away from my family to feed my addiction. Makes life far more enjoyable to be able to focus on the fun rather on feeding some stupid addiction. I am not to worried about using the hooch, as I know my interest in it will continue to fade until I simply don't buy it anymore.
That's good to hear. Man, the lame excuses I would come up with to sneak away from my girlfriend to feed the addiction... :ph43r: Peace
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40 days!
I have been quit for 40 days and 40 nights!
In that amount of time:
It is said that Adam entered the Garden 40 days after his creation.
God flooded the entire Earth, over 40 days and 40 nights.
Noah waited another 40 days after it rained before he opened a window in the Ark.
Embalming an Egyptian mummy required 40 days.
Moses was on the mountain with God for 40 days.
Moses' face shone after the 40 days on the mountain.
It took the Hebrew spies 40 days to search out the promised land and bring back fruit.
Goliath came for 40 days before being killed by David.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went 40 days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God.
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city. The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
Jesus fasted 40 days in the wilderness, to the brink of death.
Moses and Elijah also had 40 day fasts.
A Jewish woman was (is?) considered "unclean" for 40 days after childbirth (double, or 2 x 40 if it's a girl!).
Jesus hung around on Earth for 40 days after His resurrection.
The custom of fasting for 40 days (Lent) continues to be practiced by a segment of modern Christians.
Some Catholics are asked to pray for the deceased soul for 40 days after death.
The time track of a cycle of 40 days can be used to very effectively (almost perfectly) measure and meter out the rate of each passing solar year. The Genesis record--in dating the epoch of the flood--is just short of being explicit in showing that a calendar predicated upon a track of 40 days did originate with the epoch of creation.
And elkhills didn't use tobacco for 40 days.
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40 days!
I have been quit for 40 days and 40 nights!
In that amount of time:
It is said that Adam entered the Garden 40 days after his creation.
God flooded the entire Earth, over 40 days and 40 nights.
Noah waited another 40 days after it rained before he opened a window in the Ark.
Embalming an Egyptian mummy required 40 days.
Moses was on the mountain with God for 40 days.
Moses' face shone after the 40 days on the mountain.
It took the Hebrew spies 40 days to search out the promised land and bring back fruit.
Goliath came for 40 days before being killed by David.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went 40 days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God.
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city. The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
Jesus fasted 40 days in the wilderness, to the brink of death.
Moses and Elijah also had 40 day fasts.
A Jewish woman was (is?) considered "unclean" for 40 days after childbirth (double, or 2 x 40 if it's a girl!).
Jesus hung around on Earth for 40 days after His resurrection.
The custom of fasting for 40 days (Lent) continues to be practiced by a segment of modern Christians.
Some Catholics are asked to pray for the deceased soul for 40 days after death.
The time track of a cycle of 40 days can be used to very effectively (almost perfectly) measure and meter out the rate of each passing solar year. The Genesis record--in dating the epoch of the flood--is just short of being explicit in showing that a calendar predicated upon a track of 40 days did originate with the epoch of creation.
And elkhills didn't use tobacco for 40 days.
Elkhills....wow! This is great.
RM
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47 Days.
Maybe it's just the anti-depressants talkin but damn I feel good!
Off the Chantix for a week now, stopped Cold Turkey w/ no ill effects. Thought I would feel better off the stuff clean sober, but alas, no. Still lethargic, tired all the time, just down in general.
Found an old Welbutrin prescription in the med cab (from 2009, damn!). Took 2 two days ago, one yesterday. I guess the stuff still works cause man I feel 101% better.
Wish my Doc would get back from Europe soon cause I've only got 6 more hella old pills in that bottle.
Quit up, cowboys.
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LOOT hates to piss on your little parade here...
On this board, we post one number. That number corresponds to nicotine free days.
You can count your NRT days in this Introduction thread only if you want...but in Roll Call, the day you quit using nicotine in any form, is Day 1.
Carry on.
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LOOT hates to piss on your little parade here...
On this board, we post one number. That number corresponds to nicotine free days.
You can count your NRT days in this Introduction thread only if you want...but in Roll Call, the day you quit using nicotine in any form, is Day 1.
Carry on.
LOOT, he said he's been off the chantix for a week. Could be wrong but from what I gather he has not used any form of nic for 47 days.
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LOOT hates to piss on your little parade here...
On this board, we post one number. That number corresponds to nicotine free days.
You can count your NRT days in this Introduction thread only if you want...but in Roll Call, the day you quit using nicotine in any form, is Day 1.
Carry on.
LOOT, he said he's been off the chantix for a week. Could be wrong but from what I gather he has not used any form of nic for 47 days.
I'm reading that April 14th was the first nic free day.
I could be wrong though.
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LOOT has the numbers right.
March 16th first day of no tobacco the beginning of a Month of Misery.
April 14th first day of NO NICOTINE whatsoever on the Chantix drug. This was a cake walk compared to my first few weeks on NRT.
April 25th no more Chantix. A few sketchy 3 year old Welbutrins is all.
I have decided to be proud of what I went through and rejoice over my 51 days of Victory over Skoal! Feels fucked up to say the hardest part of the journey, the part requiring ALL my strength/willpower and the part I feared and put off for 20 plus fucking years don't count.
I personally do not consider April 14th my first day of quitting, but I understand respect your rules re. NRT. I agree it's ridiculous to post two numbers in Roll Call.
Would it be okay if I stick around as a member but just don't post in Roll anymore?
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LOOT has the numbers right.
March 16th first day of no tobacco the beginning of a Month of Misery.
April 14th first day of NO NICOTINE whatsoever on the Chantix drug. This was a cake walk compared to my first few weeks on NRT.
April 25th no more Chantix. A few sketchy 3 year old Welbutrins is all.
I have decided to be proud of what I went through and rejoice over my 51 days of Victory over Skoal! Feels fucked up to say the hardest part of the journey, the part requiring ALL my strength/willpower and the part I feared and put off for 20 plus fucking years don't count.
I personally do not consider April 14th my first day of quitting, but I understand respect your rules re. NRT. I agree it's ridiculous to post two numbers in Roll Call.
Would it be okay if I stick around as a member but just don't post in Roll anymore?
Be accountable to and supportive of your brothers by continuing to post roll with your non-nic number. You're weeks ahead otherwise. You can add your non-dip day in () for your own morale.
i.e. {example numbers only}
ElkHills - Day 34 (55) I quit with John J. Rambo and Moe from the 3 Stooges.
just my $0.02
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LOOT has the numbers right.
March 16th first day of no tobacco the beginning of a Month of Misery.
April 14th first day of NO NICOTINE whatsoever on the Chantix drug. This was a cake walk compared to my first few weeks on NRT.
April 25th no more Chantix. A few sketchy 3 year old Welbutrins is all.
I have decided to be proud of what I went through and rejoice over my 51 days of Victory over Skoal! Feels fucked up to say the hardest part of the journey, the part requiring ALL my strength/willpower and the part I feared and put off for 20 plus fucking years don't count.
I personally do not consider April 14th my first day of quitting, but I understand respect your rules re. NRT. I agree it's ridiculous to post two numbers in Roll Call.
Would it be okay if I stick around as a member but just don't post in Roll anymore?
Be accountable to and supportive of your brothers by continuing to post roll with your non-nic number. You're weeks ahead otherwise. You can add your non-dip day in () for your own morale.
i.e. {example numbers only}
ElkHills - Day 34 (55) I quit with John J. Rambo and Moe from the 3 Stooges.
just my $0.02
I was right in the way I was reading it....but way off in my calculations. Yeah so you are on day 23. That is awesome.
Posting roll is the most important thing we got going here. Post up your 23 and continue moving fwd.
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LOOT has the numbers right.
March 16th first day of no tobacco the beginning of a Month of Misery.
April 14th first day of NO NICOTINE whatsoever on the Chantix drug. This was a cake walk compared to my first few weeks on NRT.
April 25th no more Chantix. A few sketchy 3 year old Welbutrins is all.
I have decided to be proud of what I went through and rejoice over my 51 days of Victory over Skoal! Feels fucked up to say the hardest part of the journey, the part requiring ALL my strength/willpower and the part I feared and put off for 20 plus fucking years don't count.
I personally do not consider April 14th my first day of quitting, but I understand respect your rules re. NRT. I agree it's ridiculous to post two numbers in Roll Call.
Would it be okay if I stick around as a member but just don't post in Roll anymore?
Am I missing something? Why on earth would you stop posting roll?
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Would it be okay if I stick around as a member but just don't post in Roll anymore?
No sir. No it's not. Allowing you to do that would only be skirting the system and your addiction. We won't have either.
Post your nic free days in whatever Quit Group suits you. We won't allow your addiction to step in and take control of you again. You are here for a reason. You found us for a reason.
Kinda like some Hotel California shit...you owe LOOT at minimum of 100 clean days. You started. You finish big boy.
Happy quitting. You need anything, LOOT is a PM away. But, if you post Roll Call, you won't need LOOT....LOOT will be a hundred deep in line to support your sorry, addict ass. Promise.
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Post whatever your no nic number is and keep on going. You know this place works, no reason to turn back now.
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Anybody get in touch with this dood?
:huh:
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Anybody get in touch with this dood?
:huh:
He's been lurking...
Elk...quit being such a little bitch and post Roll ferfucksake.
You walk away from this site, refuse to use it over a couple fucking NRT days, and you will lose friend. We both know it.
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Day 59/30
It will be two months tomorrow since I have touched tobacco. I still wake up and feel a little confused about that sometimes... "I quit chewing, huh?". Weird, its kind of hard to believe, I was a slave to it for so long. I seriously remember telling some work friends I was gonna quit- years ago- and they all laughed at me; said "yeah right, sure you will!, hahaha!". Well, they were right at the time, but not now. Fuck you, tobacco, I beat you motherfucker! And I take pleasure in proving wrong those who doubt me.
So here's the current elkhills situation: 5 days in to a major turnaround (sorry, major refinery shutdown for maintenance). May or may not get Tuesdays off, otherwise I work 6PM to 6AM every day untill mid to late June. Tired, sore, my feet hurt already. I've stopped gaining weight so that's good. Doing great with the quit, I don't really want to chew anymore. Stood next to my boss today while he absentmindedly packed a can of wintergreen Grizzly and took a dip. He noticed me looking and held the can out like offering me a dip. I took a snif and then just looked at him, he goes "oh shit, I forgot, you quit!".
I am struggling with quitting the fake stuff though. I guess I'm addicted to the habit of just having something there. I was using the fake and doing great with it, but I think the stuff has sugar in it... and has eaten a cavity into the exposed root of a front botton tooth. The shit hurts and I've taken to uupper decking the fake stuff when I can't stop fixating on it, a few times qa day.
I see the dentist next week, hopefully I get Tuesday off for that.
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60 days of rebellion against my Master 'na na'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA)
End of passion play, crumbling away
I'm your source of self-destruction
Veins that pump with fear, sucking dark is clear
Leading on your deaths construction
Taste me you will see
More is all you need
Dedicated to
How I'm killing you
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master!
Master!
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Needlework the way, never you betray
Life of death becoming clearer
Pain monopoly, ritual misery
Chop your breakfast on a mirror
Taste me you will see
More is all you need
Dedicated to
How I'm killing you
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Master, Master, where's the dreams that I've been after?
Master, Master, you promised only lies
Laughter, Laughter, all I hear or see is laughter
Laughter, Laughter, laughing at my cries
Hell is worth all that, natural habitat
Just a rhyme without a reason
Neverending maze, drift on numbered days
now your life is out of season
I will occupy
I will help you die
I will run through you
Now I rule you too
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Yep, 60 days. Still feel the pull, but not going back to you. Fuck you tobacco.
'Finger'
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Good job elk. One day at a time.
Proud to be quit with you
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So I'm curious how F'd up everyones teeth gums lips were before you quit, and how/if they have begun healing?
I'll start it off:
My gums have receded way down past the enamel exposing the roots of all teeth between lower canines. The gums are also so much thinner in thickness than my healthy gums. My new dentist freaked out and refuses to see me until I visit an oral surgeon- which isn't until mid June.
When I quit chewing my bottom lip was rough and sore/sensitive, and shrivelled or creased with little lines all over. It hurt so bad to chew I had taken to dipping under my upper lip when no one was around. Damn, that's sad. At 2 months my lower lip feels smooth and healthier, though smoother than the rest of my mouth which makes me wonder why it's different.
No noticable changes to my gums, they are as f'd up looking as ever... do you think they will grow back to normal and heal eventually?
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Dental floss. I use it every day and then use a water pik right after. When I started I had so much blood from my gums that I looked like a character in a horror movie. Now, no bleeding at all. My gums have been healing very well. I do it every day. Peace
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So I'm curious how F'd up everyones teeth gums lips were before you quit, and how/if they have begun healing?
I'll start it off:
My gums have receded way down past the enamel exposing the roots of all teeth between lower canines. The gums are also so much thinner in thickness than my healthy gums. My new dentist freaked out and refuses to see me until I visit an oral surgeon- which isn't until mid June.
When I quit chewing my bottom lip was rough and sore/sensitive, and shrivelled or creased with little lines all over. It hurt so bad to chew I had taken to dipping under my upper lip when no one was around. Damn, that's sad. At 2 months my lower lip feels smooth and healthier, though smoother than the rest of my mouth which makes me wonder why it's different.
No noticable changes to my gums, they are as f'd up looking as ever... do you think they will grow back to normal and heal eventually?
I was very lucky and blessed. I had some minor areas where the gums were slightly low but over all not to bad. Of course there is a "bone pocket" where I usually but my cud but even there the gum is OK. My understanding is that using meathods like Peace talks about along with a good antibacterial rinse can generate new blood flow and your gums will repair themselves.
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Listen fuckstick...LOOT's been about as nice as he's gonna be. This place is very, very simple. We post Roll Call. You sir, are no exception. You will not circumvent this process just because you can't post NRT days. You are either with us in Roll Call...or you can post your quit musings somewhere else.
Roll Call is the requirement to play in this house. It is non-negotiable....even for you buttercup. You have a choice to make. Your next post is Roll Call or it will be your last.
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Listen fuckstick...LOOT's been about as nice as he's gonna be. This place is very, very simple. We post Roll Call. You sir, are no exception. You will not circumvent this process just because you can't post NRT days. You are either with us in Roll Call...or you can post your quit musings somewhere else.Â
Roll Call is the requirement to play in this house. It is non-negotiable....even for you buttercup. You have a choice to make. Your next post is Roll Call or it will be your last.
psst: elkhills- (61) 32. Answer a question for me in my intro thread, please
This is in July 11 quit group.
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Listen fuckstick...LOOT's been about as nice as he's gonna be. This place is very, very simple. We post Roll Call. You sir, are no exception. You will not circumvent this process just because you can't post NRT days. You are either with us in Roll Call...or you can post your quit musings somewhere else.Â
Roll Call is the requirement to play in this house. It is non-negotiable....even for you buttercup. You have a choice to make. Your next post is Roll Call or it will be your last.
psst: elkhills- (61) 32. Answer a question for me in my intro thread, please
This is in July 11 quit group.
Fair enough. Thanks j2b. LOOT assumed he was still on Roll Call boycott. Bad assumption.
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Listen fuckstick...LOOT's been about as nice as he's gonna be. This place is very, very simple. We post Roll Call. You sir, are no exception. You will not circumvent this process just because you can't post NRT days. You are either with us in Roll Call...or you can post your quit musings somewhere else.Â
Roll Call is the requirement to play in this house. It is non-negotiable....even for you buttercup. You have a choice to make. Your next post is Roll Call or it will be your last.
psst: elkhills- (61) 32. Answer a question for me in my intro thread, please
This is in July 11 quit group.
Fair enough. Thanks j2b. LOOT assumed he was still on Roll Call boycott. Bad assumption.
Excellent usage of the descriptor, "fuckstick".
It's one of my all time favorites.
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Okay then, if Loot's done being mean to me I can return to documenting how awesome/fucked up I am.
Tobacco has not passed these lips for 68 days! I can hardly believe that number! After 20 plus years of enslavement I feel liberated- I honestly don't have nicotine cravings anymore. What I crave is the fake stuff. I know its weird but I think at this point its fair to say that I am addicted to the habit more than the drug. I guess after 20 odd years of ALWAYS having a dip in my lip I'm going to have to relearn what normal is. I was never a closet dipper, id do it right in front of anybody and all the time. If I was awake I had a dip inl and I work shift work which means I'm damn near always awake :) Today is day 3 without my Binky and I'm doing that one day at a time just like roll call. I won't use tobacco, nicotine or the fake stuff today.
My fucked up shrivelled bottom lip is now smooth and full. My gums are a nice healthy pink and don't hurt or bleed when I brush anymore, though they are still disturbingly thin and receded past the roots. All my teeth hurt much more than they did before I quit- dentist said the pH of tobacco spit is more inhospitable to bacteria and so actually can help prevent tooth decay in that way. Whatever, my front bottom teeth hurt and he won't touch them until I see an oral surgeon next month. He did tell me I have gum disease even on the sides of my mouth and bone loss where I dipped. Fuck.
Docs got me on prescription Wellbutrin which is really helping. If I have to stay on it forever then so be it, but I think maybe a year is more realistic.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
This is no cave. This is progress.
I still think you need to seriously look at some of your definitions. The reason I say that is, I see a things in what you post that may be setting you up for failure.
You call using back off a cave. It's just not. It's not even a failure, or a set back. It's a VICTORY!
You're still counting days you haven't used tobacco, and counting separate days you haven't used nicotine. Brother, understand your enemy. I get that you're proud and look at them both as a victory, but if you understood how using nicotine actually IS a cave, I think (just my opinion here) that this battle will be a little easier for you. Maybe not necessarily easier, but certainly more focused.
Again, just my opinion. I'm proud to quit with you today, ipod, or no ipod.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
You didn't cave you dooshbag. You used the tools at your disposal. Be pissed about the wife, the truck, the ipod, your back, the fact LOOT won't send you nekkid pics despite the fact you continue to stalk LOOT via PM, etc.
Be pissed at life, however, at this moment, on this board, be proud that you paid enough attention to NOT cave.
*LOOT stands and give a rousing one man ovation in honor of Elkhills this morning*
You made LOOTs day fag. Goo work.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
Nope. I got a record player.
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
Nope. I got a record player.
How do you download tunes to that thing? 'crackup'
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
Nope. I got a record player.
How do you download tunes to that thing? 'crackup'
Rolling down the street in my 64....
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
Nope. I got a record player.
How do you download tunes to that thing? 'crackup'
Rolling down the street in my 64....
with all the bitches singing Let me Ride (http://youtu.be/rBu2uxdvNmI)
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Caved tonight... kinda. First dip of Baac Off fake stuff in a long time. Just really pissed off right now and I don't really know why. Well, yeah I do- 23 nightshifts in a row. Lack of sleep. My back is killing me I think its because of the 20+ lbs I've gained since quitting. Wife been lying to me about $$$. Ran my truck out of gas wrapped my ipod cord in the seat mechanism somehow... anyway that's cut in two now. Just having a bad day I guess. Waaah poor me!
Sounds like life to me.
Way to reach for the baac off and not the real shit. Way to stay quit. Do whatever it takes.
Badass. Ipods suck anyway.
Proud to be quit with you today.
J2B: you aren't still kicking it with an 8-track, are you?
Seriously, though: nice way to use the tools, Elkhills. Glad to be quit with you.
Nope. I got a record player.
How do you download tunes to that thing? 'crackup'
Rolling down the street in my 64....
with all the bitches singing Let me Ride (http://youtu.be/rBu2uxdvNmI)
You damn right it was a good day.
Sittin here bobbing my head like a fool. Co-workers think I've lost it. B)
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*LOOT pulls up a chair and gets good and comfy*
The next update should be on Day 100...tomorrow.
This should be good. Been a while since LOOT got a big ol FU in a HOF speech.
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Day 104.
Fuck you LOOT.
That is all.
:)
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Cuts LOOT...cuts LOOT deep.
Congrats on the true hundo. Nice first step.
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Congrats on the true hundo. Nice first step.
Thank you, sir.
And thanks for the love. Tough love, dealt out by a dickhead maybe, but still... YOOOO- OO- OO LOOOOOOOOOOVE ME!!!
XOXOXOX
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