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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: G on January 14, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
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What's up, quitters?
Nicotine addict since 1995. Always thought I could quit anytime, but never really wanted to commit to a date.
I haven't had a dip since new years day. I used nic gum until coming to this site and chatting with some good folks who were kind enough to stay up late and convince me to toss the crutch. I tossed the nicotine.
I haven't had nicotine since last Thursday, January 7, 2011.
I would tell y'all how hard it is, but y'all know all about it. Also, I just read Andrew's intro. No way my craves and triggers are worse than his.
Looking forward to one day at a time.
gmann
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What's up, quitters?
Nicotine addict since 1995. Always thought I could quit anytime, but never really wanted to commit to a date.
I haven't had a dip since new years day. I used nic gum until coming to this site and chatting with some good folks who were kind enough to stay up late and convince me to toss the crutch. I tossed the nicotine.
I haven't had nicotine since last Thursday, January 7, 2011.
I would tell y'all how hard it is, but y'all know all about it. Also, I just read Andrew's intro. No way my craves and triggers are worse than his.
Looking forward to one day at a time.
gmann
Welcome to the April group, gmann! You posted roll fine, wake up tomorrow and do the same, I'll be right there with you.
Ask lots of questions, read EVERYTHING and don't cave, you can do this!
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What's up, quitters?
Nicotine addict since 1995. Always thought I could quit anytime, but never really wanted to commit to a date.Â
I haven't had a dip since new years day. I used nic gum until coming to this site and chatting with some good folks who were kind enough to stay up late and convince me to toss the crutch. I tossed the nicotine.  Â
I haven't had nicotine since last Thursday, January 7, 2011.Â
I would tell y'all how hard it is, but y'all know all about it. Also, I just read Andrew's intro. No way my craves and triggers are worse than his.Â
Looking forward to one day at a time.
gmann
Welcome to the April group, gmann! You posted roll fine, wake up tomorrow and do the same, I'll be right there with you.
Ask lots of questions, read EVERYTHING and don't cave, you can do this!
Thanks man. I just left you a message too. Looking forward to doing some quitting. I'm seven days in and have the worst headache yet.
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What's up, quitters?
Nicotine addict since 1995. Always thought I could quit anytime, but never really wanted to commit to a date.Â
I haven't had a dip since new years day. I used nic gum until coming to this site and chatting with some good folks who were kind enough to stay up late and convince me to toss the crutch. I tossed the nicotine.  Â
I haven't had nicotine since last Thursday, January 7, 2011.Â
I would tell y'all how hard it is, but y'all know all about it. Also, I just read Andrew's intro. No way my craves and triggers are worse than his.Â
Looking forward to one day at a time.
gmann
Welcome to the April group, gmann! You posted roll fine, wake up tomorrow and do the same, I'll be right there with you.
Ask lots of questions, read EVERYTHING and don't cave, you can do this!
Well hell yeah, one more heavy hitter to the party! Yep it sucks. Yep you can win. It is the greatest thing you can do for you today. Stay strong, stay quit. It's simple, just not easy. Proud to be quit with ya!
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What's up, quitters?
Nicotine addict since 1995. Always thought I could quit anytime, but never really wanted to commit to a date.Â
I haven't had a dip since new years day. I used nic gum until coming to this site and chatting with some good folks who were kind enough to stay up late and convince me to toss the crutch. I tossed the nicotine.  Â
I haven't had nicotine since last Thursday, January 7, 2011.Â
I would tell y'all how hard it is, but y'all know all about it. Also, I just read Andrew's intro. No way my craves and triggers are worse than his.Â
Looking forward to one day at a time.
gmann
Welcome to the April group, gmann! You posted roll fine, wake up tomorrow and do the same, I'll be right there with you.
Ask lots of questions, read EVERYTHING and don't cave, you can do this!
Well hell yeah, one more heavy hitter to the party! Yep it sucks. Yep you can win. It is the greatest thing you can do for you today. Stay strong, stay quit. It's simple, just not easy. Proud to be quit with ya!
Thanks for the support. Proud to be quit with you too.
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Sat down at my desk this morning. Out of habit, I started to reach for my can. I just popped in some seeds instead and logged on and posted roll. I am amazed daily at the hold I allowed nicotine to have over my mind and body.
When I was a kid and didn't dip, I loved the seeds. It just hit me today that I haven't had seeds in years. I guess I considered eating seeds to be a waste of an opportunity for a fatty.
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Sat down at my desk this morning. Out of habit, I started to reach for my can. I just popped in some seeds instead and logged on and posted roll. I am amazed daily at the hold I allowed nicotine to have over my mind and body.
When I was a kid and didn't dip, I loved the seeds. It just hit me today that I haven't had seeds in years. I guess I considered eating seeds to be a waste of an opportunity for a fatty.
LOL..... good point with the seeds. When you're a dipper seeds just get in the way!
Now they will save your life.
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I appreciate all the recent discussion about closet dipping. I thought I would come write something here that I could read in the future when I start thinking I can treat myself to just one in the duck blind or one a long drive.
My wife knew I dipped when I was away from her, so I never outright lied and said I had quit when I was still shoving a can or so of shit in my mouth at work every day. Vacations were always interesting. A couple of times, I intentionally hopped on a plane with no dip knowing that I wouldn't be able to buy any because she would always be around. No intention of quitting, just telling myself it would make this week more pleasant for all if I just went without. I'd go a week without nicotine, but first moment away upon return and I'd be back to the can. As you all know, it's easy (at least less difficult) to go without when you know you are going to get your fix later. Stupid that I didn't use those opportunities to quit. I guess that's why the day to day thing works. It's a scary-drop to your knees with tremors-feeling to think you will never have a another dip.
In any event, I told her when we got married that I would no longer dip in front of her. It sounded good at the time. I was still going to dip, but I "respected" her enough not to do it in front of her. It wasn't long before I was looking for opportunities to be away from her. Amazing that you can love someone, but still love the can so much that you would drive around the block a few times or stay up late when you were dog ass tired just to catch that last dip. Never mind the constant attempts to figure out something we needed from the store so I could make a quick trip or the 30 minute dumps. Most people hate the thought of forgetting that one ingredient and having to go back to the store. There were many weekends where I celebrated same with a passion that I doubt some super bowl mvps have experienced.
Forgive me while I talk directly to myself: Gmann, if you're back here thinking that you have earned just one, you are the stupidest mf'ing addict on the planet. You quit so that you could cast away the false hope the can provided. The can never fully satisfied you. The bitch simply teased you for 15 years while it took your money and tried to destroy your health and happiness. The can hasn't done a damn thing for you all these years and your health and marriage have only improved because of the quit. Don't be a f'ing moron.
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I appreciate all the recent discussion about closet dipping. I thought I would come write something here that I could read in the future when I start thinking I can treat myself to just one in the duck blind or one a long drive.
My wife knew I dipped when I was away from her, so I never outright lied and said I had quit when I was still shoving a can or so of shit in my mouth at work every day. Vacations were always interesting. A couple of times, I intentionally hopped on a plane with no dip knowing that I wouldn't be able to buy any because she would always be around. No intention of quitting, just telling myself it would make this week more pleasant for all if I just went without. I'd go a week without nicotine, but first moment away upon return and I'd be back to the can. As you all know, it's easy (at least less difficult) to go without when you know you are going to get your fix later. Stupid that I didn't use those opportunities to quit. I guess that's why the day to day thing works. It's a scary-drop to your knees with tremors-feeling to think you will never have a another dip.
In any event, I told her when we got married that I would no longer dip in front of her. It sounded good at the time. I was still going to dip, but I "respected" her enough not to do it in front of her. It wasn't long before I was looking for opportunities to be away from her. Amazing that you can love someone, but still love the can so much that you would drive around the block a few times or stay up late when you were dog ass tired just to catch that last dip. Never mind the constant attempts to figure out something we needed from the store so I could make a quick trip or the 30 minute dumps. Most people hate the thought of forgetting that one ingredient and having to go back to the store. There were many weekends where I celebrated same with a passion that I doubt some super bowl mvps have experienced.
Forgive me while I talk directly to myself: Gmann, if you're back here thinking that you have earned just one, you are the stupidest mf'ing addict on the planet. You quit so that you could cast away the false hope the can provided. The can never fully satisfied you. The bitch simply teased you for 15 years while it took your money and tried to destroy your health and happiness. The can hasn't done a damn thing for you all these years and your health and marriage have only improved because of the quit. Don't be a f'ing moron.
gmann,
Same exact experiences here. Especially the vacation thing and the quick trips to the store. My wife and I had the same type of thing going. I didn't do it in front of her and we didn't talk about it.
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I appreciate all the recent discussion about closet dipping. I thought I would come write something here that I could read in the future when I start thinking I can treat myself to just one in the duck blind or one a long drive.
My wife knew I dipped when I was away from her, so I never outright lied and said I had quit when I was still shoving a can or so of shit in my mouth at work every day. Vacations were always interesting. A couple of times, I intentionally hopped on a plane with no dip knowing that I wouldn't be able to buy any because she would always be around. No intention of quitting, just telling myself it would make this week more pleasant for all if I just went without. I'd go a week without nicotine, but first moment away upon return and I'd be back to the can. As you all know, it's easy (at least less difficult) to go without when you know you are going to get your fix later. Stupid that I didn't use those opportunities to quit. I guess that's why the day to day thing works. It's a scary-drop to your knees with tremors-feeling to think you will never have a another dip.
In any event, I told her when we got married that I would no longer dip in front of her. It sounded good at the time. I was still going to dip, but I "respected" her enough not to do it in front of her. It wasn't long before I was looking for opportunities to be away from her. Amazing that you can love someone, but still love the can so much that you would drive around the block a few times or stay up late when you were dog ass tired just to catch that last dip. Never mind the constant attempts to figure out something we needed from the store so I could make a quick trip or the 30 minute dumps. Most people hate the thought of forgetting that one ingredient and having to go back to the store. There were many weekends where I celebrated same with a passion that I doubt some super bowl mvps have experienced.
Forgive me while I talk directly to myself: Gmann, if you're back here thinking that you have earned just one, you are the stupidest mf'ing addict on the planet. You quit so that you could cast away the false hope the can provided. The can never fully satisfied you. The bitch simply teased you for 15 years while it took your money and tried to destroy your health and happiness. The can hasn't done a damn thing for you all these years and your health and marriage have only improved because of the quit. Don't be a f'ing moron.
Yep, same thing here ...... well said my brother, well said.
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I appreciate all the recent discussion about closet dipping. I thought I would come write something here that I could read in the future when I start thinking I can treat myself to just one in the duck blind or one a long drive.Â
My wife knew I dipped when I was away from her, so I never outright lied and said I had quit when I was still shoving a can or so of shit in my mouth at work every day. Vacations were always interesting. A couple of times, I intentionally hopped on a plane with no dip knowing that I wouldn't be able to buy any because she would always be around. No intention of quitting, just telling myself it would make this week more pleasant for all if I just went without. I'd go a week without nicotine, but first moment away upon return and I'd be back to the can. As you all know, it's easy (at least less difficult) to go without when you know you are going to get your fix later. Stupid that I didn't use those opportunities to quit. I guess that's why the day to day thing works. It's a scary-drop to your knees with tremors-feeling to think you will never have a another dip. Â
In any event, I told her when we got married that I would no longer dip in front of her. It sounded good at the time. I was still going to dip, but I "respected" her enough not to do it in front of her. It wasn't long before I was looking for opportunities to be away from her. Amazing that you can love someone, but still love the can so much that you would drive around the block a few times or stay up late when you were dog ass tired just to catch that last dip. Never mind the constant attempts to figure out something we needed from the store so I could make a quick trip or the 30 minute dumps. Most people hate the thought of forgetting that one ingredient and having to go back to the store. There were many weekends where I celebrated same with a passion that I doubt some super bowl mvps have experienced.
Forgive me while I talk directly to myself: Gmann, if you're back here thinking that you have earned just one, you are the stupidest mf'ing addict on the planet. You quit so that you could cast away the false hope the can provided. The can never fully satisfied you. The bitch simply teased you for 15 years while it took your money and tried to destroy your health and happiness. The can hasn't done a damn thing for you all these years and your health and marriage have only improved because of the quit. Don't be a f'ing moron.
Yep, same thing here ...... well said my brother, well said.
Thanks. I'm trying to let go and put some stuff here that will always remind of what was happening early in my quit.
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I appreciate all the recent discussion about closet dipping. I thought I would come write something here that I could read in the future when I start thinking I can treat myself to just one in the duck blind or one a long drive.Â
My wife knew I dipped when I was away from her, so I never outright lied and said I had quit when I was still shoving a can or so of shit in my mouth at work every day. Vacations were always interesting. A couple of times, I intentionally hopped on a plane with no dip knowing that I wouldn't be able to buy any because she would always be around. No intention of quitting, just telling myself it would make this week more pleasant for all if I just went without. I'd go a week without nicotine, but first moment away upon return and I'd be back to the can. As you all know, it's easy (at least less difficult) to go without when you know you are going to get your fix later. Stupid that I didn't use those opportunities to quit. I guess that's why the day to day thing works. It's a scary-drop to your knees with tremors-feeling to think you will never have a another dip. Â
In any event, I told her when we got married that I would no longer dip in front of her. It sounded good at the time. I was still going to dip, but I "respected" her enough not to do it in front of her. It wasn't long before I was looking for opportunities to be away from her. Amazing that you can love someone, but still love the can so much that you would drive around the block a few times or stay up late when you were dog ass tired just to catch that last dip. Never mind the constant attempts to figure out something we needed from the store so I could make a quick trip or the 30 minute dumps. Most people hate the thought of forgetting that one ingredient and having to go back to the store. There were many weekends where I celebrated same with a passion that I doubt some super bowl mvps have experienced.
Forgive me while I talk directly to myself: Gmann, if you're back here thinking that you have earned just one, you are the stupidest mf'ing addict on the planet. You quit so that you could cast away the false hope the can provided. The can never fully satisfied you. The bitch simply teased you for 15 years while it took your money and tried to destroy your health and happiness. The can hasn't done a damn thing for you all these years and your health and marriage have only improved because of the quit. Don't be a f'ing moron.
Yep, same thing here ...... well said my brother, well said.
Thanks. I'm trying to let go and put some stuff here that will always remind of what was happening early in my quit.
Gmann
I went through the same exact thing. I haven't had a dip in 96 days and my life is completely different. I think my wife actually asked why i no longer take 30 minute dumps. she wonders why i ask her to hang out with me while i do the dishes- a time in the past that i used for dipping while she was doing other work. it is life changing to know that you don't need to escape to get a dip. i am loving life again....
closet dipper
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If you're looking for a time-waster, this is a good read.
http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/776/kara ... -lawrence/ (http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/776/karate-kid-the-misundertood-johnny-lawrence/)
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Since the tobacco companies know how addictive their products are, do you think some of the executives read this site and talk about what a bunch of badasses we are?
If so, DAY 50 here, bitches. I choose freedom.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
901 fucking rules!
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
901 fucking rules!
Thank you. That sums it up.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
901 fucking rules!
Thank you. That sums it up.
'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 3 cheers for your success and leadership.
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
901 fucking rules!
Thank you. That sums it up.
'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 3 cheers for your success and leadership.
Nice work GMANN - now get your crusty pink panties off the banister of the Glass House!
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From day 50 to 900 Man that's a lot of quit days! Congrats!
Thanks, Matt.
I didn't do it alone. Posting roll and keeping my word one day at a time is my secret. Thankfully, some guys who came before us didn't keep it a secret. And we get to share in their successes with our own successes.
Today, I say BRAVO to those men. And...THANKS.
FUGM. Nice 900
Congrats Brother. Thanks for all you do around here.
A lot of people are quit because you gave a shit. Well done brother.
901 fucking rules!
Thank you. That sums it up.
'clap' 'clap' 'clap' 3 cheers for your success and leadership.
Nice work GMANN - now get your crusty pink panties off the banister of the Glass House!
Congrats gman. That is a lot of days of pure solid gold quit.
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congrats on a comma gmann - that's one hell of a fine start!
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Putting this here so I don't have to find it in Gregonemile's long ol' thread next time. Thinking about the correspondence with the children. Dang.
Newbies,
If you are having trouble staying quit or deciding if you want to quit then read the article below.
Make sure you pay attention to the tactics used by Big Tobacco... For fuck sake sending kids ( 9, 10, 11...years old ) free cans ? Making Cherry flavored tobacco with less Nic so the kids could " get used" to the product.
Hard to believe I gave those fucks as much of my money as I did.. NEVER AGAIN FOR ANY REASON !!!
Tobacco Company Pays $5M In Groundbreaking Case
Settlement is nationÂ’s first involving smokeless product
By THOMAS B. SCHEFFEY
Kelly June Hill, Executrix, et al. v. U.S. Smokeless Tobacco: The Altria Group, successor to tobacco marketer United States Smokeless Tobacco of Greenwich, has settled for $5 million a lawsuit filed by the estate of a North Carolina man who died of tongue cancer.
The worker, Bobby Hill, initially went to an Ashville, N.C., lawyer, who referred his case to BridgeportÂ’s Koskoff, Koskoff Bieder. Partners Antonio Ponvert III and Christopher Bernard launched a state court wrongful death action in Connecticut.
From the beginning, Ponvert said, Hill and his family wanted to draw attention to the danger of “dipping snuff” and to discourage youngsters from starting its addictive use.
“It’s the first time a plaintiff has won a wrongful death chewing tobacco verdict or settlement in the history of the industry,” said Ponvert. Altria, based in Richmond, Va., also owns Philip Morris, and has a corporate policy of not settling any individual consumer cases, he added. Altria Group spokesman Steve Callahan said, “U.S. Smokeless Tobacco is honoring an agreement it made in this case prior to its acquisition by Altria….We have no current intention to settle cases like this in the future.”
Historically, the tobacco industry has fiercely defended itself in the courts. And for decades, it denied that tobacco is addictive or a health risk. More recently, it has maintained that people know the risks of tobacco and they should take personal responsibility if they use it. In the industry, a no-settlement rule is standard.
But Bobby Hill, said Ponvert, “was an almost ideal client. Bobby Hill was 13 years old when he started using. He became addicted to this product when he was a child, long before warning labels were put on [packages] in 1987.” That fact, Ponvert said, “destroyed any personal responsibility-type defense that the industry likes to use.” The defendant retained five defense firms, including New York-based Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher Flohm, and Winston Strawn, with local counsel duties handled by Wiggin and Dana, in New Haven.
Attorney David S. Golub, of StamfordÂ’s Silver, Golub Teitel, has handled other lawsuits against the tobacco industry, and was clearly impressed by the Altria settlement.
“This is unprecedented and amazing. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time when a tobacco company has settled a case. It’s fabulous lawyering, and a wonderful result,” Golub told the Law Tribune. “Every tobacco company fights tooth and nail, because they’re afraid that if they settle one case, they can never again say they won’t settle. This is groundbreaking.”
Smokeless tobacco, or snuff, comes in small cans and is sold under brand names such as Skoal or Copenhagen. It comes in a variety of “cuts,” which describe the lengths of the tobacco strands. The tobacco sits between the user’s cheek and gum. It’s different from chewing tobacco, which is a much longer cut that is literally chewed.
One previous snuff case has gone to trial. An Oklahoma plaintiff, Sean Marsee, contracted mouth cancer in the late 1980s after five years of chewing tobacco use, and USST medical experts testified that tumors caused by “dipping snuff” took 20 years to develop. The suit seeking $147 million resulted in a defense verdict for USST.
“Bobby Hill used for 20 years, so we would have been able to use their experts in the Marsee case against them here,” said Ponvert. The attorney said the needs of Hill’s widow and two children, 11 and 14, made a settlement for $5 million seem like a wiser course than holding out for more at trial – or maybe nothing. The process of reaching the settlement stage was long and rocky, requiring extensive discovery work and research.
In a 2002 deposition, USST Chairman and CEO Louis Bantle was questioned in another case, and he explained why some 12 million documents in USST files were stamped confidential. Under oath, he conceded they didn’t contain formulas or other business secrets. “A couple of years ago,” Bantle said, “a whole lot of lawyers came to company headquarters and they stamped ‘confidential’ on every single document we had in our possession, whether they were or not.” Ponvert said discovery was challenging, “for the opposite reason one would think.” The plaintiffs “got half a million pages of documents, which made searching them quite interesting. We found some stuff that was out of this world.”
Letters From Children
Some of the most significant material, said Ponvert, was in a cache of internal correspondence from young customers, aged 9 to 18, written between1978 and 1985. “We found about 50 letters from children to the company, and children’s letters would say, `I am 9 [or 10, 11, 14 or 15] years old, and have been using your product.” The kids had complaints and suggestions. “One was, ‘Please don’t raise the price on Skoal, because I only get $5 in allowance, and can’t afford the seven cans a week that I need,’” Ponvert recounted. “They’d say, ‘I really like the mint flavor, could you make it in a different cut?’
Those letters would be sent to the United States Smokeless Tobacco headquarters in Greenwich. According to the lawyers, a letter would be back to the child saying: “Thank you for your comments. We’ll consider your suggestions, and here are five free cans of Skoal.” After it became illegal to send tobacco to children in the late 1980s, the company sent young teens complimentary can openers and lids to keep their snuff moist and fresh.
Company correspondence supported a plan to introduce candy-flavored Skoal “Bandits” to hook young customers. “Bandits” are ground tobacco and flavorings placed in a tea bag-like fabric, with less nicotine so the beginner wouldn’t get too sick, Ponvert said.
“They had this very Machiavellian strategy to entice people into the market and keep them as they became more tolerant to the drug,” he said. “It’s well known that the average age for starting to use smokeless tobacco is between 9 and 11 years old. So it’s a product that’s designed for kids, and is being used by and sold to kids.”
Altria Group obtained USST in 2009. On the Altria web site, the company emphasizes its commitment to prevent underage children from purchasing tobacco products. Its charts show the use of smoking tobacco products is declining. However, smokeless tobacco products remain popular, and may be on the rise, the charts indicate.
In some quarters, smokeless tobacco is touted as a less-lethal way to consume tobacco than smoking. But, Ponvert said, young people need to comprehend fully the potentially gruesome results.
“One of our experts described dying by mouth cancer as `death by autopsy,’” Ponvert said. “Literally, over a 10- or 12-month period, your face just falls away. At first, [Hill] lost part of his tongue. Then they took his whole tongue. Then it takes part of your jaw, and your cheeks and your gums. Then the tumor wound its way around his carotid artery and he died.” •
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Don't want you to feel left out sweet tits.
'BanDog'
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GMANN, Thank you for posting the article about the settlement. More fuel for my quit.
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1500 days is some bad ath quit, relatively speaking!
fuGspot 'winker'
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1500 days is some bad ath quit, relatively speaking!
fuGspot 'winker'
Congratulations and thank you!
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1500 days is some bad ath quit, relatively speaking!
fuGspot 'winker'
Congratulations and thank you!
Freakin awesome man! thanks for all you do around here! 'worship'
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1500 days is some bad ath quit, relatively speaking!
fuGspot 'winker'
Congratulations and thank you!
Freakin awesome man! thanks for all you do around here! 'worship'
thanks bro and congrats.
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'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 16 floors today. That's pretty awesome and badass!
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'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 16 floors today. That's pretty awesome and badass!
And 500 days soda free. Nice
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'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 16 floors today. That's pretty awesome and badass!
And 500 days soda free. Nice
What they said. Good on ya, Greg!
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'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 16 floors today. That's pretty awesome and badass!
And 500 days soda free. Nice
What they said. Good on ya, Greg!
Where'd y'all find this dusty old thread?
I appreciate it, guys. Feels great. ODAAT; EDD.
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'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 16 floors today. That's pretty awesome and badass!
And 500 days soda free. Nice
What they said. Good on ya, Greg!
Where'd y'all find this dusty old thread?
I appreciate it, guys. Feels great. ODAAT; EDD.
Yea, this thread is almost as worthless as my POS intro.
Congrats anyway, G.
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
5 years for you badass quitter.
Congrats!
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
5 years for you badass quitter.
Congrats!
Congrats on 5 years of awesomely ghey freedom.
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
5 years for you badass quitter.
Congrats!
Congrats on 5 years of awesomely ghey freedom.
Nice Gmann! You have proven this is a QUIT Dojo, Not a knitting class.
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
5 years for you badass quitter.
Congrats!
Congrats on 5 years of awesomely ghey freedom.
Nice Gmann! You have proven this is a QUIT Dojo, Not a knitting class.
Congrats G - Stud
~ Lady G
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Congratulations on 5 years, Sensei Gmann. Thank you for all that you do.
5 years for you badass quitter.
Congrats!
Congrats on 5 years of awesomely ghey freedom.
Nice Gmann! You have proven this is a QUIT Dojo, Not a knitting class.
Congrats G - Stud
~ Lady G
Sweeping legs for 5 years nice work
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Congrats on 7 years quit G.
Thanks for showing us we can have longevity in our quits!
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I just pulled this up and saw these messages. Thanks to all of you. Never saw Trauma's note. RIP, kind sir, RIP.