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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: soot on July 09, 2016, 08:59:00 PM
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Hi everyone.
My name is Dan.
I started dipping in the Fall of 1990 during Army basic training (OSUT). I began with wintergreen Skoal but within six months was was dipping a can or two of Cope a day.
That habit has lasted on and off for 26 years (mostly "on", though I've made half-hearted attempts to quit in the past I've never gone more than a day or two totally nicotine free).
I've kinda been trying to quit for the past year using cigars, the patch, and/or nicotine gum as "replacement therapy", always with a well-established plan to ween myself off it according to some schedule or another.
Yeah, that's never really worked out.
After a month, a few weeks, a couple of days, I was back to Cope and would be on it for a few weeks or months before I'd make another attempt.
I hide it from everyone (dip in my top lip and swallow so nobody knows it's there), lie to my wife and kids about it, sneak it whenever I can, try to mask the smell by constantly drinking coffee - whatever it takes.
And I'm tired of it.
Tired of lying, tired of hiding it, tired of being enslaved to it, tired of the expense, tired of the health risks.
My most recent "quit" began last weekend with patches and gum.
It lasted maybe three days.
I was hiding it today and the wife caught me.
Even though we just blew another $100 on patches and gum just the other day.
Even after she put together an elaborate Excel spreadsheet outlining the weening off process, which she'd worked on for hours.
Even after having told her, the dozen times she's asked me over the past week how it was going, "Going great, sticking to the plan".
Well, "the plan" doesn't work for me.
It seems that if I have it in my system, in any amount, in any form, I have absolutely no control over the fact that sooner or later I will be going back to Cope.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
I'd appreciate any help and support y'all could provide.
My first question is, where do I go next? I know that there are quit-date based groups where I can post a "roll call", but for the life of me I can't find the one I should be in.
Thanks.
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Hi everyone.
My name is Dan.
I started dipping in the Fall of 1990 during Army basic training (OSUT). I began with wintergreen Skoal but within six months was was dipping a can or two of Cope a day.
That habit has lasted on and off for 26 years (mostly "on", though I've made half-hearted attempts to quit in the past I've never gone more than a day or two totally nicotine free).
I've kinda been trying to quit for the past year using cigars, the patch, and/or nicotine gum as "replacement therapy", always with a well-established plan to ween myself off it according to some schedule or another.
Yeah, that's never really worked out.
After a month, a few weeks, a couple of days, I was back to Cope and would be on it for a few weeks or months before I'd make another attempt.
I hide it from everyone (dip in my top lip and swallow so nobody knows it's there), lie to my wife and kids about it, sneak it whenever I can, try to mask the smell by constantly drinking coffee - whatever it takes.
And I'm tired of it.
Tired of lying, tired of hiding it, tired of being enslaved to it, tired of the expense, tired of the health risks.
My most recent "quit" began last weekend with patches and gum.
It lasted maybe three days.
I was hiding it today and the wife caught me.
Even though we just blew another $100 on patches and gum just the other day.
Even after she put together an elaborate Excel spreadsheet outlining the weening off process, which she'd worked on for hours.
Even after having told her, the dozen times she's asked me over the past week how it was going, "Going great, sticking to the plan".
Well, "the plan" doesn't work for me.
It seems that if I have it in my system, in any amount, in any form, I have absolutely no control over the fact that sooner or later I will be going back to Cope.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
I'd appreciate any help and support y'all could provide.
My first question is, where do I go next? I know that there are quit-date based groups where I can post a "roll call", but for the life of me I can't find the one I should be in.
Thanks.
Soot!
You've made the correct choice! After 39 years of being enslaved to nic, I too found KTC and made the plunge.
Make your way to Quit Groups, then find October 2016.
Read the instructions on how to post and get started!
Also, check your pm's (messages) I, and I'm sure others will be sending you messages of welcome!
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topic/11679548/67/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11679548/67/)
Will get you to your quit group. Just navigate to the most recent post...
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Soot, don't waste another second. Get your ass on roll. Keep waiting on that last dip and you might be like some of the rest of us 30-40 years later. This shits a whole lot easier with 25000 people helping! Sack up , throw the cancer away and let's get this rolling!
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Quit now dude. Don't wait until tomorrow morning. You're in the right place. Make your promise and keep it.
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Dude,
You've been lurking this site since 2013. It's way past time to buckle that chin strap, cinch up them panties, throw your dip away and post day one.
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So sad to hear the lie that "I will quit tomorrow". I know it because I lived it for so many shackled years.
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Dan I assume you are quit now....considering it's the morning and all. First thing, flush any remaining dip down the toilet. 2nd. Read what you've wrote above as often as you can. It's the cries of an addict who needs help. That is the bed you made...you are an addict, from now until the day you die....don't try to lie about it or sugar coat it, just accept it. Believe me when I tell you your addicted self is going to come up with hundreds of reasons why you should dip over the coming days, and a lot of them are going to seem logical...but in reality all those reasons are bullshit. Dip does nothing for you. Which brings us to 3rd step. Post roll here. Instructions on how to do it were provided by someone in a link above. A roll post is a promise to quit for one day. You make that promise to us everyday, and we also make the same promise to you. Seems useless right? That roll post, and the accountability it added, was the difference for the thousands of us who have used this site to quit....really and truly quit. You can do this. Good luck.
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Welcome Soot! Looks like you've learned that weaning down doesn't work. Don't worry, it's not just you. Weaning down, nicotine gum/ patches, it's all hogwash. Cold turkey washes the poison out of your system in three days and then the work begins.
Have the right mindset, post roll early every day and connect with your group. Exchange numbers and use them. This site works if you use it. Thousands have successfully broken free here. You're strong enough to do it and we're here to help you find the right path.
Good for you man, get this done! Hit me up if you need anything.
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'Popcorn'
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Dan I assume you are quit now....considering it's the morning and all. First thing, flush any remaining dip down the toilet. 2nd. Read what you've wrote above as often as you can. It's the cries of an addict who needs help. That is the bed you made...you are an addict, from now until the day you die....don't try to lie about it or sugar coat it, just accept it. Believe me when I tell you your addicted self is going to come up with hundreds of reasons why you should dip over the coming days, and a lot of them are going to seem logical...but in reality all those reasons are bullshit. Dip does nothing for you. Which brings us to 3rd step. Post roll here. Instructions on how to do it were provided by someone in a link above. A roll post is a promise to quit for one day. You make that promise to us everyday, and we also make the same promise to you. Seems useless right? That roll post, and the accountability it added, was the difference for the thousands of us who have used this site to quit....really and truly quit. You can do this. Good luck.
Tomorrow.
How many times did we plan to quit tomorrow?
The great thing about this site is that there isn't one lie that you can tell that we haven't told before, to ourselves or to others, to maintain the level of nicotine in our bloodstream. Not one. We've dug through the trash to re-dip. We've made up lies on vacation to get away and frantically drive to store after store in desperation. We've hidden cans under our big giant ballsack so the it wouldn't show through a jeans pocket. There is no lie or excuse we don't know. Because we are you.
Except we quit. We post our promise. We keep our word. We lean on, encourage, celebrate, and call bullshit on each other when it is appropriate. And we are free.
If we can do this, you can too. You have to take the first step. The first step isn't nic replacement. It isn't making a plan. It isn't measuring out and cutting back. The first step is to say... Fuck this I AM DONE!!!! Throw all nicotine out. Every bit of it. And post your promise. That's it. Is it scary? Yes. Is it hard? Hardest thing I've ever done. Will it hurt? Yes. Will it kill you? No. In almost 1,300 days here, with 10,000 members joining, have I seen a single one say.... Man I wish I hadn't quit? No. How about... Caving is the best thing I've ever done! No.
But I have seen thousands of "this is the best thing I've ever done for me". And "I feel so much younger and better." "Im a better husband/father..."
Freedom isn't for everyone. Altria has to pay for those jets somehow. I'm not paying any more! Hope you join us.
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Hi everyone.
My name is Dan.
I started dipping in the Fall of 1990 during Army basic training (OSUT). I began with wintergreen Skoal but within six months was was dipping a can or two of Cope a day.
That habit has lasted on and off for 26 years (mostly "on", though I've made half-hearted attempts to quit in the past I've never gone more than a day or two totally nicotine free).
I've kinda been trying to quit for the past year using cigars, the patch, and/or nicotine gum as "replacement therapy", always with a well-established plan to ween myself off it according to some schedule or another.
Yeah, that's never really worked out.
After a month, a few weeks, a couple of days, I was back to Cope and would be on it for a few weeks or months before I'd make another attempt.
I hide it from everyone (dip in my top lip and swallow so nobody knows it's there), lie to my wife and kids about it, sneak it whenever I can, try to mask the smell by constantly drinking coffee - whatever it takes.
And I'm tired of it.
Tired of lying, tired of hiding it, tired of being enslaved to it, tired of the expense, tired of the health risks.
My most recent "quit" began last weekend with patches and gum.
It lasted maybe three days.
I was hiding it today and the wife caught me.
Even though we just blew another $100 on patches and gum just the other day.
Even after she put together an elaborate Excel spreadsheet outlining the weening off process, which she'd worked on for hours.
Even after having told her, the dozen times she's asked me over the past week how it was going, "Going great, sticking to the plan".
Well, "the plan" doesn't work for me.
It seems that if I have it in my system, in any amount, in any form, I have absolutely no control over the fact that sooner or later I will be going back to Cope.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
I'd appreciate any help and support y'all could provide.
My first question is, where do I go next? I know that there are quit-date based groups where I can post a "roll call", but for the life of me I can't find the one I should be in.
Thanks.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
Well let's see guessing tomorrow may be a better day for you! Quit wasting are time and yours until your balls drop! Damn....... just........ Damn!
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Hi everyone.
My name is Dan.
I started dipping in the Fall of 1990 during Army basic training (OSUT). I began with wintergreen Skoal but within six months was was dipping a can or two of Cope a day.
That habit has lasted on and off for 26 years (mostly "on", though I've made half-hearted attempts to quit in the past I've never gone more than a day or two totally nicotine free).
I've kinda been trying to quit for the past year using cigars, the patch, and/or nicotine gum as "replacement therapy", always with a well-established plan to ween myself off it according to some schedule or another.
Yeah, that's never really worked out.
After a month, a few weeks, a couple of days, I was back to Cope and would be on it for a few weeks or months before I'd make another attempt.
I hide it from everyone (dip in my top lip and swallow so nobody knows it's there), lie to my wife and kids about it, sneak it whenever I can, try to mask the smell by constantly drinking coffee - whatever it takes.
And I'm tired of it.
Tired of lying, tired of hiding it, tired of being enslaved to it, tired of the expense, tired of the health risks.
My most recent "quit" began last weekend with patches and gum.
It lasted maybe three days.
I was hiding it today and the wife caught me.
Even though we just blew another $100 on patches and gum just the other day.
Even after she put together an elaborate Excel spreadsheet outlining the weening off process, which she'd worked on for hours.
Even after having told her, the dozen times she's asked me over the past week how it was going, "Going great, sticking to the plan".
Well, "the plan" doesn't work for me.
It seems that if I have it in my system, in any amount, in any form, I have absolutely no control over the fact that sooner or later I will be going back to Cope.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
I'd appreciate any help and support y'all could provide.
My first question is, where do I go next? I know that there are quit-date based groups where I can post a "roll call", but for the life of me I can't find the one I should be in.
Thanks.
So beginning tomorrow morning, from the moment I wake up, I'm going to try to kick cold turkey for the first time.
Well let's see guessing tomorrow may be a better day for you! Quit wasting are time and yours until your balls drop! Damn....... just........ Damn!
Email sent, Pabo....we'll see.
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Soot. I relate to your story. All the calculations. All the planning. I did it too. Until I just quit, threw the stuff away. No ween, just cold turkey. Don't delay your freedom longer. You can do this. You must do it for yourself. Start now.
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Nice roll post last night Dan! I am so happy to be wrong. Post up again today with us brother!
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Nice roll post last night Dan! I am so happy to be wrong. Post up again today with us brother!
Remember this sir... You'll never have to relive day 1 again! You've got this!
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Morning guys.
Yeah, yesterday was ROUGH.
From the looks of things so far, today isn't going to go a heck of a lot smoother.
At least I was able to pull it together to post roll properly AND in the morning today.
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It gets better, I promise. Spend as much time on this website as you can. Explore it. It has enough to offer to keep your mind off your cravings for 100 days or more.
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Thanks for proving me wrong. You see, so many people talk the talk but never come back and walk the walk! Thanks Damn proud to be quit with you!
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
Think about this. Do you really want to go back to dip because you are an asshole when you're not dipping? Were you an asshole before you ever started dipping? Is that why you started dipping? Did someone come up to you and say "Try this, it will calm you and give you patience." No, they didn't.
I'm going through the same thing. It takes 2-5 years to get to "normal", whatever "normal" is. I want to experience it, but I can't quit for 2-5 years. I can only quit for today. If I string enough today's together, I'll get there, and beyond. Hey, I've got 139 todays today. That's better than this time last year.
Just know that quitting and withdrawal will make you anxious and short tempered. Know that you will have to learn to deal with it. Catch yourself getting angry. Stop yourself. Find your happy place.
Check out the links in my signature. There's a ton of help out there for what ails you, and it's not nicotine.
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
Dude...
You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.
C'mon... don't be that guy... again.
You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.
You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.
This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.
Be free...
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
Dude...
You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.
C'mon... don't be that guy... again.
You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.
You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.
This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.
Be free...
^^^^^ great advice. Ever been outside during a storm when it is raining super hard. And you can't believe how bad the storm is. But then it clears up quickly and the rest of the day turns outpretty nice. If you're asked a few days later you don't remember it being so bad? That's sort of what quitting is like...only you are in the middle of the rain storm and we are all commenting after the rain has past. If quitting stayed as hard as you're having it now for the rest of your life, none of us would be quit. But because we all know the rain will pass we know things will get easier. Stick with this, regardless of what your wife thinks. You will be in the sunshine soon enough
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
Dude...
You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.
C'mon... don't be that guy... again.
You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.
You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.
This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.
Be free...
^^^^^ great advice. Ever been outside during a storm when it is raining super hard. And you can't believe how bad the storm is. But then it clears up quickly and the rest of the day turns outpretty nice. If you're asked a few days later you don't remember it being so bad? That's sort of what quitting is like...only you are in the middle of the rain storm and we are all commenting after the rain has past. If quitting stayed as hard as you're having it now for the rest of your life, none of us would be quit. But because we all know the rain will pass we know things will get easier. Stick with this, regardless of what your wife thinks. You will be in the sunshine soon enough
Great advice, soot. First 3 days are when the physical part is at play. Nicotine is doing EVERYTHING possible to convince your body - your mouth, your arms, your legs, whatever... that you are going to die without it. Your body is quite literally fighting itself to get the fix. This part last 3 days. I quit for a day a thousand times. Each of those thousand days sucked Applejack/Dagranger ballsack. But you know what, I'll never have to taste those balls ever again. Wait, did I just say I know what their balls taste like? Uhhhhhh....
Anyway, long story short - you'll never have to relieve yesterday. You'll never have to relive today. Here we quit one day at a time, and this bullshit you are living through is not what life is gonna be like. None of us are bs-ing you. Life is soooooooooooo much better that you won't believe it. You can do this. Don't suck ballsacks over and over bro. Like Dagranger said, there is sunshine ahead. And you'll really like it.
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Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.
What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.
No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.
But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.
Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.
I HAVE to be at the party.
I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.
What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.
I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.
I don't want your "opinion".
I want advice based on experience.
If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.
How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?
Thanks.
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Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.
Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.
Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.
Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.
Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.
We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.
We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.
Dude...
You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.
C'mon... don't be that guy... again.
You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.
You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.
This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.
Be free...
^^^^^ great advice. Ever been outside during a storm when it is raining super hard. And you can't believe how bad the storm is. But then it clears up quickly and the rest of the day turns outpretty nice. If you're asked a few days later you don't remember it being so bad? That's sort of what quitting is like...only you are in the middle of the rain storm and we are all commenting after the rain has past. If quitting stayed as hard as you're having it now for the rest of your life, none of us would be quit. But because we all know the rain will pass we know things will get easier. Stick with this, regardless of what your wife thinks. You will be in the sunshine soon enough
Great advice, soot. First 3 days are when the physical part is at play. Nicotine is doing EVERYTHING possible to convince your body - your mouth, your arms, your legs, whatever... that you are going to die without it. Your body is quite literally fighting itself to get the fix. This part last 3 days. I quit for a day a thousand times. Each of those thousand days sucked Applejack/Dagranger ballsack. But you know what, I'll never have to taste those balls ever again. Wait, did I just say I know what their balls taste like? Uhhhhhh....
Anyway, long story short - you'll never have to relieve yesterday. You'll never have to relive today. Here we quit one day at a time, and this bullshit you are living through is not what life is gonna be like. None of us are bs-ing you. Life is soooooooooooo much better that you won't believe it. You can do this. Don't suck ballsacks over and over bro. Like Dagranger said, there is sunshine ahead. And you'll really like it.
Soot as told you before, walk off be a man! Now grab your sack and let's get this done! And I can tell by what you wrote, you Would have a can now if you hadn't been here. This shit works but you got to be balls deep or you will puss out! Get angry text and cuss me , I will Wade deep in this for you! You have a bunch of badass quitters fighting for you, DON'T give that up! I'm quitting right beside you today! Quit on!
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Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.
What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.
No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.
But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.
Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.
I HAVE to be at the party.
I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.
What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.
I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.
I don't want your "opinion".
I want advice based on experience.
If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.
How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?
Thanks.
Fair enough...
That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.
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Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.
What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.
No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.
But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.
Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.
I HAVE to be at the party.
I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.
What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.
I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.
I don't want your "opinion".
I want advice based on experience.
If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.
How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?
Thanks.
Fair enough...
That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.
Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.
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Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.
What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.
No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.
But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.
Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.
I HAVE to be at the party.
I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.
What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.
I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.
I don't want your "opinion".
I want advice based on experience.
If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.
How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?
Thanks.
Fair enough...
That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.
Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.
Try this. Before the party work out. Workout as hard as you can and as long as you can. Hard to work up much anger when you're dragging your ass around because you are exhausted. Second tell all the adults at the party that you are quitting. Should help add to your own accountability plus it won't be as awkward if you're a bit of a sick to people. Lastly suck it up for a few hours then vent afterward.
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Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.
What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.
No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.
But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.
Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.
I HAVE to be at the party.
I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.
What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.
I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.
I don't want your "opinion".
I want advice based on experience.
If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.
How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?
Thanks.
Fair enough...
That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.
Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.
Try this. Before the party work out. Workout as hard as you can and as long as you can. Hard to work up much anger when you're dragging your ass around because you are exhausted. Second tell all the adults at the party that you are quitting. Should help add to your own accountability plus it won't be as awkward if you're a bit of a sick to people. Lastly suck it up for a few hours then vent afterward.
We'll keep throwing stuff at you, maybe something will stick. Meditation (http://forum.killthecan.org/single/?p=9758062&t=1009607), (that's a link, click on it) may help. I don't think you'll have time to practice it before the weekend, but it helps me, still.
Deep breaths, count to 10, just realize you are getting upset helps. I'm a rager. When you get a chance, come to your group's roll page and start some shite. Just rage, about the suck, about vets on KTC, whatever. It helps. I know.
Just keep in mind that your anger issues will be there whether you are quitting or not. You might as well stay quit and work on the anger.
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Hey Soot your getting some great ideas from some strong quitters, the first few days suck ass no doubt about it, be honest with your wife tell her how difficult the withdrawals are just try not to take it out on her. You've gotten some great advice here from calling someone on the site (no doubt you've gotten some numbers already) to mediatation and exercise. 2 things you need to remember most of all is that you only have to go through this shit once if you stick with it, nothing is happening that nicotine will solve you'll only fall back into the circle jerk of dip, withdraw, repeat. What i'm trying to say is doesn't matter what you find works for you right now just keep your promise today, you'll thank yourself later trust me. If you need help or someone to talk to PM me and i'll be glad to help anyway I can.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.
I plan on incorporating all of them.
I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.
We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.
But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.
I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.
I plan on incorporating all of them.
I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.
We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.
But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.
I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.
Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.
I plan on incorporating all of them.
I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.
We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.
But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.
I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.
Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.
I'm gonna disagree with Fish quite a bit here...
For some people... meds are a legit method/need in quitting. To imply that a quit isn't true, or is less, because of meds, isn't quite correct. To imply that meds mask the suck, isn't quite correct. There are a TON of vets here that have a comma hanging off their number because they weren't afraid to get a little help when they needed it. +1's matter... not the method. It all evens out in the end.
Soot... do what you gotta do, bro. As long as it keeps you nicotine free... it's all good. Don't let anybody devalue your path to freedom.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.
I plan on incorporating all of them.
I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.
We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.
But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.
I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.
Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.
I'm gonna disagree with Fish quite a bit here...
For some people... meds are a legit method/need in quitting. To imply that a quit isn't true, or is less, because of meds, isn't quite correct. To imply that meds mask the suck, isn't quite correct. There are a TON of vets here that have a comma hanging off their number because they weren't afraid to get a little help when they needed it. +1's matter... not the method. It all evens out in the end.
Soot... do what you gotta do, bro. As long as it keeps you nicotine free... it's all good. Don't let anybody devalue your path to freedom.
Apple is right. What I should have written is that it didn't work for me. The meds made me feel like I could quit anytime and I went back, which was all on me. To each his own. No matter how you quit, stay quit and I'll quit with you!
Peace brothers.
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Saw the doc this morning.
Started on a couple different medications.
Something called Lexapro which is an SSRI used to treat anxiety in adults. It's supposed to be a long term thing that I'll be on for 5 or 6 months, but it takes a couple weeks to build up in the system before it starts showing results/benefits.
In the mean time he's got me on Xanax up to twice a day which if I'm not mistaken is a fast-acting anti-anxiety med.
I've been on the both for about an hour now and neither is really helping at all with the cravings I'm having, I'm just spitting seeds to help with that.
I do feel "calmer", like I don't want to choke anyone and I'm not slamming my fists on the table.
Much more what I usually feel like.
I mean, I'm a librarian after all, not a UFC prize fighter. I don't ordinarily go around looking to start shit with people.
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Soot guess go ahead and be the dickhead here. You can reach deep down and get this shit done if you will quit believing the only way all this gets better is by dipping! You're an addict just like all of us. Stay one step ahead of the nic bitch. Don't be fussing at anyone but your damn self , they didn't put the shit in your mouth. You aren't having any harder time than I did, I finally decided how bad I wanted this, anxiety, rage hell I still have some 564 days later, but you can bet your ass I know NICOTINE is why I'm like this and more than likely you also. What I'm saying, you will not die, kill anyone or beat anyone's ass unless you and only you willfully choose to. Walk off, be a man , keep your mouth shut and picture yourself with people you love starring at half a jaw. Just by God do it, I promise you, you can. By the way if you're pissed at me good, keep your mind occupied! Quit on bitch! By the way pm me fir my number, I love fighting verbally if you need it. Actually would love supporting you every day. NICOTINE is the problem, not the solution, learn to hate it!
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Soot guess go ahead and be the dickhead here. You can reach deep down and get this shit done if you will quit believing the only way all this gets better is by dipping! You're an addict just like all of us. Stay one step ahead of the nic bitch. Don't be fussing at anyone but your damn self , they didn't put the shit in your mouth. You aren't having any harder time than I did, I finally decided how bad I wanted this, anxiety, rage hell I still have some 564 days later, but you can bet your ass I know NICOTINE is why I'm like this and more than likely you also. What I'm saying, you will not die, kill anyone or beat anyone's ass unless you and only you willfully choose to. Walk off, be a man , keep your mouth shut and picture yourself with people you love starring at half a jaw. Just by God do it, I promise you, you can. By the way if you're pissed at me good, keep your mind occupied! Quit on bitch! By the way pm me fir my number, I love fighting verbally if you need it. Actually would love supporting you every day. NICOTINE is the problem, not the solution, learn to hate it!
Gotta say i agree with pab here. The difference this place gives is the support and the knowledge,but you won't make it until you have the will. And let me tell you, the suck and the fog were terrible, but quitting is the best thing i've ever done, and the misery i had to go through is a big part of what keeps me clean now - i NEVER want to go through that again.
Quite simply, you have to just quit, want it enough to get through it minute by minute. The minutes stack up in time and become day by day. And that's the secret. The craves still come, and you just learn to deal with them once you have build a strong quit.
Take all the support offered here- if you lean on these guys they can help you carry the load. It's how we all do it.
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Where are you soot?
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I'm here. Still quit.
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Hey Dan,
I was you about two years ago.....and a couple of other times before that, but that's another story. At any rate, you've been given some first rate advice. I will tell you that the rage inside is real (some folks are more sensitive to the dopamine receptors shutting down) and I can't argue with going to a physician to help deal with that. I was on Chantix for like a week when I first started, then I wondered why the hell was I taking a drug to stop taking a drug, so I put it down.
Want you to know that the advice to get other's phone numbers and actually use them is about the most solid advice you'll ever receive. It lets you know that you're not alone in this quit. Others who've walked the path before you, are walking it with you, and will walk it after you can ALL help you get off the ledge when the going gets tough. I've lost count of the numbers of other quitters I have in my phone (may be close to 100 now.....). I usually text, but every now and then I actually CALL one of them just to reconnect.
Hope the party goes well (or went well). Just wanted you to know that you are NOT ALONE. Reach out and connect with others. It works. Quit on, brother.
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I'm here. Still quit.
If you are here and still quit why aren't you posting roll with your group? At LEAST do that. Nothing else matters here more than that daily promise!
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Umm .... what?
She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.
And death is good enough? Kind of confuses me a bit. I used that same exact line word for word when I quit drinking years ago and relapsed. That is a CLASSIC addict line. True or not, every addict uses that line. And no sir, I am not calling you a liar. lol please don't think so.
If death is the answer, I suggest taking a read through Trauma's intro (heres part of it topic/1010002/54/ (http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/1010002/54/) ). Kind of puts dipping in to perspective a little bit. No this CERTAINLY can't happen to me can it? Fuck yeah it can!!! Well I don't have cancer YET..... You know what yet stands for? Your Eligible Too Cancer is NOT prejudice. It don't give two fucks how rich or poor you are, what color your skin is or where you live. Is knowing this fact worth being bitchy for a week or two? Oh man I hope so! For your sake man I sure hope so.
I know where your wife is coming from (Although .... ---- snip --- Never mind). It's a mother fucker man. My wife went through it to. Not a ONCE did she ever say hey, I would rather you get cancer and die than to give it up. She did tell me to loose my fucking attitude and quickly and left it at that. Yep! that meant talking to the doc about medication. So that part you got going for you. Talk to your doc and get going, just NO NIC REPLACEMENT!
Here is a quick little secret my Dr told me. He was one of them back of the woods old school here drink a can of coke for a stomach ache dr's. he said to me when I quit smoking to chomp on black licorice and get it to mush and put that between the lip and gum like a dip and hold it there until the flavor was gone then spit it out or swallow it. Something about the anise oil in the black licorice is a natural something or other and helps with the craves much like MRT but without using nic. True? Never tried it so I'm not sure. I hate black licorice. Like the genius I am, I used the patch! 'bang head' BUT I quit. I was a 3 pack per day smoker.
Stick with this place and us guys man. The system works. It just works. So many days I logged off and said to my self, what a bunch of fucking cock suckers. Fuck this place I'm not going back. The funny part was, I DID come back day after day and it worked... Correction, it is working. I got it one day. I got why people were suck dicks and I thank every one of them for treating me the way they did. I deserved it. I had a addict mind set in me that was hammered in so deep it would not go away in everything I said and did.
I hate to sound cliche' like a AA meeting, because that is NOT what we do here, but keep coming back. It works if you work it.
Take care man. I quit with you EDD!
Ray 303
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I'm here. Still quit.
If you are here and still quit why aren't you posting roll with your group? At LEAST do that. Nothing else matters here more than that daily promise!
^^^^ Yep, post roll. Every damn day. No ifs and's or or's. If you come to this site, you must post roll. It's the price of admission. I and thousands of others pay every day. So can you. It takes 2 whole minutes.. 30 seconds once you have the system down pat.
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I'm here. Still quit.
If you are here and still quit why aren't you posting roll with your group? At LEAST do that. Nothing else matters here more than that daily promise!
^^^^ Yep, post roll. Every damn day. No ifs and's or or's. If you come to this site, you must post roll. It's the price of admission. I and thousands of others pay every day. So can you. It takes 2 whole minutes.. 30 seconds once you have the system down pat.
Well looks like gonna let the wifey and the nic bitch win this one. I cant do this, I'm so much nicer with a dip. Not near as stressed out. How long would she put up with your ass looking at a half of jaw? Man I really had confidence in you but it's not looking good!
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I'm here. Still quit.
If you are here and still quit why aren't you posting roll with your group? At LEAST do that. Nothing else matters here more than that daily promise!
^^^^ Yep, post roll. Every damn day. No ifs and's or or's. If you come to this site, you must post roll. It's the price of admission. I and thousands of others pay every day. So can you. It takes 2 whole minutes.. 30 seconds once you have the system down pat.
Well looks like gonna let the wifey and the nic bitch win this one. I cant do this, I'm so much nicer with a dip. Not near as stressed out. How long would she put up with your ass looking at a half of jaw? Man I really had confidence in you but it's not looking good!
Where y'at, Soot? Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything???? Get your butt in here and post up your promise, bubba.
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What do ya know. The old wife said go buy a can excuse worked in his mind. The same fucking excuse that I used to relapse on alcohol with many years ago. almost word for word!
He gone! 2 days since last site activity. Not even enough nerve to come back and say he caved (if he did, and its not looking good for him).
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What do ya know. The old wife said go buy a can excuse worked in his mind. The same fucking excuse that I used to relapse on alcohol with many years ago. almost word for word!
He gone! 2 days since last site activity. Not even enough nerve to come back and say he caved (if he did, and its not looking good for him).
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
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What do ya know. The old wife said go buy a can excuse worked in his mind. The same fucking excuse that I used to relapse on alcohol with many years ago. almost word for word!
He gone! 2 days since last site activity. Not even enough nerve to come back and say he caved (if he did, and its not looking good for him).
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Crying ass shame to let a little ass can control your life! I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me. He fellow if your wife sincerely wants you to go back to sucking death, maybe you should have a serious heart to heart with the woman that claims to love you. Been trying to leave since he signed up. Before you say I quit you need to mean it. No half ass quitting is gonna make it here!
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
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Hi everyone I am Eric, I have been dipping for 18 years. I have tried numerous times to quit, but one thing after another I have always started back up. My son is even pushing me to quit even harder than he used to. I have tried the herbal cans of snuff, but didn't like the taste of them. I have since found a company named Grinds which does coffee grinds instead of Tobacco. I am giving that a shot. I decided on Sunday after my son baseball game that I was going to quit, and I made sure when I stopped at the store today I didn't buy any snuff. This is it for me I am quitting once and for all.
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
I'm sorry for being a big ole meanie! Maybe we can do some Pokemon hunting together. Truly sorry, I can be an arsehole but the Pokemon offer stands
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
I'm sorry for being a big ole meanie! Maybe we can do some Pokemon hunting together. Truly sorry, I can be an arsehole but the Pokemon offer stands
I blame my arseholeishness on the lack of nicotine. My wife says that may or may not be the case.
-
I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
Soot. You will find no two bigger supporters of those willing and wanting to quit than Pab and Workintown. They will be there when you are raging in anger from early withdraw and right beside you when you are posting roll from your Dad's bedside on the day he left this world. How would I know that. Because in the instances they were both there for me when I went through this. From Day 15 anger to day 250 sorrow on my journey these men and women have helped me realize that Nicotine makes none of it Better. Drink the kook aid and quit hard for you all day one day at a time. I will quit with anyone that posts roll and makes that promise.
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Poof
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
Soot. You will find no two bigger supporters of those willing and wanting to quit than Pab and Workintown. They will be there when you are raging in anger from early withdraw and right beside you when you are posting roll from your Dad's bedside on the day he left this world. How would I know that. Because in the instances they were both there for me when I went through this. From Day 15 anger to day 250 sorrow on my journey these men and women have helped me realize that Nicotine makes none of it Better. Drink the kook aid and quit hard for you all day one day at a time. I will quit with anyone that posts roll and makes that promise.
Soot, I know I am one of them "Guys". And rightfully so. Because frankly speaking, I actually do give a shit about people I don't know. I don't want to see anyone else have to go through what trauma and many others on this site are going though. Nor do I want you to go through what 8 out of 9 of my family members that died in 10 months went through. From first hand experience watching loved one wither away to nothing and die a slow painful death, cancer really fucking sucks man. Not only for you but for your loved ones.
Sorry man. I don't do pats on the ass. They never work. Well, RARELY do they work.
I will gladly honor your request and give you practical advice that you asked for as far as getting your anger and emotions or what ever under control. Oh and I gave the same advice in your quit group in case you miss it there it is here.
Ok here goes, practical advice. Man, you seriously need medical help. You talk about KICKING a 4 year old kid in the pool. that alone is just....nuts. Then you mention tossing your wife in, as if this is her fault, and having a gun fight with the cops. Kick back for a moment and seriously think about that. You joined here in 2013 and didn't buy in to the system. You tried it your own way with NRT and that didn't work obviously. Then you come back here and STILL decide you don't buy in to the system. Then why come back? I'm really curious. So practical advice is still medical help. You BADLY need medication. I'm not sure what kind but you need, but something. I don't buy in to the whole Chantix crap but that is just me. I think it is junk. I had valium. It took the edge off. Some of us just need it man. Some takes longer to work than others. My doc went with valium since I already was prescribed it and it was fast acting unlike prozac or zoloft or welbutrin or something like that.
More practical advice. Give in to the system for just 1 day. That is all. Just one day. When you get so outraged you want to alienate everyone in your life and kick a 4 year old kid, call a bad ass quitter and talk it out. If you make it through that day, awesome. Then give us one more day. that is all. Just one more day. Post your roll, make a promise to YOURSELF, and give it a go. When shit gets rough, call a quit buddy or text or jump in live chat. Use the site and get through the day. We are NOT asking you to devote your entire life here. JUST one day at a time. You only have 24 hours the same as I have. So my self or any other quitter here has no more to work with than what you do. It's even stevens. Forget yesterday and lets not worry about tomorrow. We only have today. And the cycle works over and over. As long as it works, keep giving it just one more day.
On a side note, I can understand you calling us guys assholes. Hey I appreciate that! I mentioned before that I would rather you hate me for the rest of your life than to love and respect me until the day you die of cancer. I used to run a crew of 32 men and 1 woman and I used to be a royal ass to them. I never had an accident in 4.5 years as supervisor. I used to tell the crew I have never met your wife and I am not going to meet her for the first time at your funeral and I would rather them hate me for the rest of their life than to love me and respect me until the day they die of a stupid accident that was preventable, just like our cancer issue. I got fired due to reasons beyond my control and guess what, a soft supervisor let a guy try it his way and a guy got killed 2 weeks after I got fired. That is what sold me on the fact that being soft is not right.
BUT, consider this for a moment. YOU are the one who said you wanted to kick a 4 year old in the pool, throw your wife and the kids dad in as well and a grill and have a shoot out with cops. And we are the assholes? I'm really confused here.
Back to practical advice, get the meds and give it a shot. Just remember what ever you do, no one did this to you but your self. You have no right to treat anyone like crap because you feel like shit. I'm not telling you to man up. That is for you to decide. I'm not telling you to grow a sack. Hopefully by now, you got one. You have already heard it all so I'll save it.
So what ever you decide to do, I hope you understand exactly how many people are here that want nothing but to see you succeed and not die of cancer or related illnesses. There are over 25,000 of us here. They didn't come looking for you, you found them. The help is free, all you need to do is run with it.
Take care man and I wish you nothing but the best. I'll not bother you any more since I am such a bother. If you ever need anything, just give me a shout. I am always around.
Ray
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I'm still quit.
Today is day 9.
Party this past weekend went off without a hitch.
Wound up that I really don't need the medications the doc prescribed.
After about the 5th day the irritability and aggression began to really taper off quickly and I'm no more irritable today than I was prior to my quit.
I was perfectly civil at the party and was even able to help out the way I would have if I'd not been going through this thing.
It seems that the "withdrawal" is over for the most part.
I'm still a little fuzzy in the head, stomach is still not totally settled, still chewing gum like crazy (though I had to find an all natural brand to chew because I was going through so much of it that the sorbitol in regular sugar-free gum was acting as a laxative), but the crazy intense constant craving coupled with absolute physical misery is past.
So yeah, my quit is still alive and well and getting stronger by the day.
It's really just that, and I'm sorry if this seems ungrateful after the help you guys offered me, I've just come to not really like this place very much.
I'm glad I grew up and decided to be a man and not let my wife and a little can control me
I bet/hope she bought him a bunch of life insurance!!!!
Starting to live up to your name.... all sooty, and dirty, and not worth much of anything????
That kind of insulting, demeaning, obnoxious stuff is literally ALL OVER this website and I don't like it at all.
I guess I understand that talking down to people helps you guys in some way to stay quit and if that's what it takes then I'm not going to buck that system because it allowed you to be here for me when I needed y'all most.
And I'm trying to figure out how I can, in turn, be here for the new guy coming in so that I can pay back that debt (what I see as a debt, anyhow).
But it's tough because, like I said, that kind of talk is so prevalent around here.
I'll get it figured out I'm sure.
But in the mean time, I'm proud to be quit with you guys today, even if I do want to wash your mouths out with soap.
Just trying to knock the addict speak out of you and try to impress upon you the importance of posting roll and making some friends to lean on. This place is a tremendously powerful tool to stay quit if you dive in and commit all the way.
I said nothing that I would be ashamed to say in front of my own mother, there bubba. Grow a little thicker skin..... the only thing any of us wants for you is to stay quit.
Glad to see that the irritability is subsiding a bit. You'll be fuzzy in the head for awhile....but sooner or later the fog will lift and you'll have clarity you haven't had in years (even better than when you were actively dipping).....likewise, craves will begin to taper off, but they'll still be there months, even years later (your addict brain never sleeps)....
Oh, and BTW, the KTC methodology is DAILY posting your promise. Not every three to five days. More than happy to offer my support to you every day, but only if I see your name on the roll EVERY DAY.
Soot, you got this, if you want it. The only way to stay quit is to stay quit.
You are through the acute withdrawal. Welcome now to post acute withdrawal symptons (PAWs). See the link in my signature for details.
Keep in mind that, once you became an addict, you cannot un-become an addict. You have to learn to live with your addiction without using. Keep moving forward, don't ever go back.
Soot, I totally agree with you on the way people treat others here on the site. I would never hang around people in real life that acted like that. I have considered leaving this site many times in the last 78 days, but I'm still here and have posted roll every day 100%. I do agree with what the bullies are telling you about posting EDD; if you aren't willing to do that, then you will continue to receive the insults.
Some call it bully others call it getting a point across. Some people like me need it. I hated every cock sucker on this stupid friggin website. What a bunch of assholes! And then it clicked in side my head one day and I publicly thanked every one of them. They were keeping my dumb ass in check. Here I come asking for support from them and offer up excuses and stupid addict talk and they simply got tired of it. If not for them, I would not be here today.
So yes, call it what you want, but sooner or later you will understand. There is no pat on the ass that is going to help. How many heroin addicts you see get patted on the ass? None! My doctor went of case studies with me and we as dippers have a 10% chance of success without support. Care to guess a heroin addict? 50% without support. WOW! So yeah, sorry guys, no pats on the ass from me. And PLEASE do not ever pat me on the ass. If I need it, give it to me full bore! I'm a man, I can take it. Call me a dick head, a deuche bag, a what ever you want guys. If it helps you stay quit, I'm all in!
And now on with the show. We do not take weekends off here no matter what. No Christmas, not Thanksgiving, Not Easter, not ever. No weekend holidays or party weekends. We offer support 7 days a week not 5. When you dipped was it only 5 days a week and not on the weekends?
Anyhow, glad to hear you are still quit. Now head on over to your group and explain to your guys why it was cool that you take 2 days off within your first 5 days of posting on the site and they get no days off.
Hurt feelings are a good thing, it means you are getting engaged. So is anger. Not posting roll here... not a good thing.
If you want to quit, you are in the right place. The price of admittance here is posting roll every day. It is rule #1. If you don't like someone calling you out directly about it, thanks fine. I think every single person on this site started out thinking... post roll? Why is that so important? It is confusing and doesn't make sense and I keep messing it up.
It is all part of the program, dude. If you want to quit here, you follow rule #1. Don't fight the system. This really does work.
So you in or out? Hopefully you can put away your little hurt feelings for a bit and start posting roll or I can promise you guys will come after you. See here we consider ourselves a family a damn big family and I don't know about you but I don't personally get alone with everyone in my family but I still listen to the majority and take heed to advice. If you take time and read some former groups , you will see most of the ones that whined and bitched because someone stepped on there toes are no longer with us or posted another day one. My advice to you is take what you need and leave the rest but the best advice we will all give you is POST ROLL EARLY EVERY DAMN DAY or go on down the block and play!
My feelings aren't hurt.
There's a difference between having hurt feelings and thinking that a group of people are assholes.
I don't need to "find my safe place" or "grow a pair".
I choose not to associate with people I am unable to respect because their behavior is unacceptable to me.
I'm sorry I called you out for not following the only rule on this website.
I understand you not wanting to associate with me. Good luck.
Soot. You will find no two bigger supporters of those willing and wanting to quit than Pab and Workintown. They will be there when you are raging in anger from early withdraw and right beside you when you are posting roll from your Dad's bedside on the day he left this world. How would I know that. Because in the instances they were both there for me when I went through this. From Day 15 anger to day 250 sorrow on my journey these men and women have helped me realize that Nicotine makes none of it Better. Drink the kook aid and quit hard for you all day one day at a time. I will quit with anyone that posts roll and makes that promise.
Soot, I know I am one of them "Guys". And rightfully so. Because frankly speaking, I actually do give a shit about people I don't know. I don't want to see anyone else have to go through what trauma and many others on this site are going though. Nor do I want you to go through what 8 out of 9 of my family members that died in 10 months went through. From first hand experience watching loved one wither away to nothing and die a slow painful death, cancer really fucking sucks man. Not only for you but for your loved ones.
Sorry man. I don't do pats on the ass. They never work. Well, RARELY do they work.
I will gladly honor your request and give you practical advice that you asked for as far as getting your anger and emotions or what ever under control. Oh and I gave the same advice in your quit group in case you miss it there it is here.
Ok here goes, practical advice. Man, you seriously need medical help. You talk about KICKING a 4 year old kid in the pool. that alone is just....nuts. Then you mention tossing your wife in, as if this is her fault, and having a gun fight with the cops. Kick back for a moment and seriously think about that. You joined here in 2013 and didn't buy in to the system. You tried it your own way with NRT and that didn't work obviously. Then you come back here and STILL decide you don't buy in to the system. Then why come back? I'm really curious. So practical advice is still medical help. You BADLY need medication. I'm not sure what kind but you need, but something. I don't buy in to the whole Chantix crap but that is just me. I think it is junk. I had valium. It took the edge off. Some of us just need it man. Some takes longer to work than others. My doc went with valium since I already was prescribed it and it was fast acting unlike prozac or zoloft or welbutrin or something like that.
More practical advice. Give in to the system for just 1 day. That is all. Just one day. When you get so outraged you want to alienate everyone in your life and kick a 4 year old kid, call a bad ass quitter and talk it out. If you make it through that day, awesome. Then give us one more day. that is all. Just one more day. Post your roll, make a promise to YOURSELF, and give it a go. When shit gets rough, call a quit buddy or text or jump in live chat. Use the site and get through the day. We are NOT asking you to devote your entire life here. JUST one day at a time. You only have 24 hours the same as I have. So my self or any other quitter here has no more to work with than what you do. It's even stevens. Forget yesterday and lets not worry about tomorrow. We only have today. And the cycle works over and over. As long as it works, keep giving it just one more day.
On a side note, I can understand you calling us guys assholes. Hey I appreciate that! I mentioned before that I would rather you hate me for the rest of your life than to love and respect me until the day you die of cancer. I used to run a crew of 32 men and 1 woman and I used to be a royal ass to them. I never had an accident in 4.5 years as supervisor. I used to tell the crew I have never met your wife and I am not going to meet her for the first time at your funeral and I would rather them hate me for the rest of their life than to love me and respect me until the day they die of a stupid accident that was preventable, just like our cancer issue. I got fired due to reasons beyond my control and guess what, a soft supervisor let a guy try it his way and a guy got killed 2 weeks after I got fired. That is what sold me on the fact that being soft is not right.
BUT, consider this for a moment. YOU are the one who said you wanted to kick a 4 year old in the pool, throw your wife and the kids dad in as well and a grill and have a shoot out with cops. And we are the assholes? I'm really confused here.
Back to practical advice, get the meds and give it a shot. Just remember what ever you do, no one did this to you but your self. You have no right to treat anyone like crap because you feel like shit. I'm not telling you to man up. That is for you to decide. I'm not telling you to grow a sack. Hopefully by now, you got one. You have already heard it all so I'll save it.
So what ever you decide to do, I hope you understand exactly how many people are here that want nothing but to see you succeed and not die of cancer or related illnesses. There are over 25,000 of us here. They didn't come looking for you, you found them. The help is free, all you need to do is run with it.
Take care man and I wish you nothing but the best. I'll not bother you any more since I am such a bother. If you ever need anything, just give me a shout. I am always around.
Ray
Damn ray you're giving it your all, well done ! Next step is his
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Soot, if you can't post roll and be part of KTC, then you need to rethink why you came here in the first place. There are other sites with different methods that will try to help you quit. They don't ask much and you can come and go as you please. But we do it a certain way here. The feeling you have of wanting to help someone else should manifest itself in your cohort of fellow quitters who hold each other accountable by posting roll every day. I am surprised that an ex army guy (like me) wants to disrespect KTC and do this his own way. (Aka special butterflies).
You are just starting this journey. You can be quit. Ktc works.
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Glad to see you posted roll today! Hope it was tolerable enough that you'll be back tomorrow to do it again! :D