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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: junior1967 on March 11, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
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Just put it down and its hard.Dip for 25 years, just found this site and wanted to join the community.im feeling good about quitting but my system is all messed up is this normal
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Just put it down and its hard.Dip for 25 years, just found this site and wanted to join the community.im feeling good about quitting but my system is all messed up is this normal
COMPLETELY!
In fact, if you were just fine it would actually ABNORMAL.
Stick around, read a lot and ask questions. I won't tell you it will be easy but it's SO worth it.
Welcome!
chewie
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Just put it down and its hard.Dip for 25 years, just found this site and wanted to join the community.im feeling good about quitting but my system is all messed up is this normal
Junior1967,
I too dipped for 25 years and found this site a couple of days ago. Sounds like we have a similar story.
First off, let me congratulate you on day 3. I too am on day 3 and your system is just healing itself from the poison we've been feeding it for all these years. This is normal, there are phases we'll go through, symptoms we'll experience while our bodies detoxify and rid themselves of the nicotine.
This site has tons of information for you. If you need anything, someone is always willing to help, that's what is so unique about this site, don't be afraid to ask or visit the chat room for help. We're all in this together!
Keep it up and don't let the urge sway you, stay strong and commit to yourself! You can do this!
MF
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The craving would hit me after dinner. People have told me that if i quit that my sugar would be lower being that im a diabetic, that would be a good thing.And a another thing is sleeping at night
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Welcome Junior1967. I also dipped for over 25 years. Today is Day 9 for me. It's starting to get easier but the cravings still hit when I doing something that I would normally do with a dip in. Don't forget to jump over to the Quit Groups and post roll with the June 2009 Quitters. It's important to post roll every day, it helps to hold us accountable for the day. Anyway, glad you're here and congratulations on making the decision to quit!
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Hello my name is Pete and its day 2 for me. I dipped for 17 yrs and im 32 now. Everyone stay strong! I was feeling a little weak and just read Jenny and Tom Kerns story and that gave me more ammo to keep going.
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things seem to be going good. day to day made it though the weekend
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Awesome job bro, keep up the great work. Made it thru the first weekend myself.
You can do this! We can do this together!
Stay Quit!
MF
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8 days cant think straight.am i doing the roll call right
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8 days cant think straight.am i doing the roll call right
Hang in there my man... you will.
THE FOG
you're a couple of days/weeks in... you're feeling good about your decision to quit... but some thing's just not quite right... you feel "dizzy". maybe not quite dizzy, but like you've had a beer or two. you're "off". you don't feel quite right. you can't concentrate. reading is difficult and typing is damn near impossible.
welcome to the fog ladies and gentlemen. i can tell you that it will pass. i can't tell you when. i can't tell you how foggy it will be... but i can tell you that you'll get out of it.
i quit on july 24th, 2006. my birthday was august 2nd. i literally don't remember what i did that day i was so foggy. i was playing ping pong with a co-worker that week and almost fell over... i was having trouble tracking the ball. i couldn't concentrate on work. i couldn't think about family. i was focused on my quit and how bad life SUCKED without my friend the kodiak bear.
and then something happened ~~ the fog lifted. i saw the light. i didn't need dip anymore. sure there were bad days, but i wasn't feeling like crap anymore.
you too will see the light -- you too will get out of the fog. i promise you!!! i know it's difficult to believe at this point in your quit, but trust me/us -- we know what we're talking about.
realize this... you NEVER have to go through the fog again once you get through it -- unless you cave.
you never have to feel this crappy again -- unless you cave.
you've taken the first step, you're quit and you're on the site. now take the next step and walk through the fog. you'll have a new outlook, a bunch of great friends and a dipfree life!
chewie
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after 24 days things are getting better.
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29 days nicotine free for me and I agree ~ it's getting better everyday!
It is such a relief not to be controlled by the chew anymore. I didn't realize how much it controlled my life until I quit. There are so many other things that are so much more important than nicotine. And it is wonderful to be quit!
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29 days nicotine free for me and I agree ~ it's getting better everyday!
It is such a relief not to be controlled by the chew anymore. I didn't realize how much it controlled my life until I quit. There are so many other things that are so much more important than nicotine. And it is wonderful to be quit!
30 days in agree with you. Life is great getting better.
Just a heads up for you - After really sailing along relatively easily, something happened to me on 26-29 - call it fog, funk, fonk, whatever, it was not fun. I couldn't think, sit still, do anything really. It cleared up and I now feel great again. Since then, several people have told me this happened to them and it will likely happen again, only not as intense. They all said it happened at various times in their quits.
Just an FYI in case it happens to you, so you don't get caught off guard.
Good luck and great job you two
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Thanks for the info,keep up the good fight everybody.
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been about 6 months had some had times and started back dipping. but today i going to try again and get my life in order and put this tobacco in its place on the shelf. thanks
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been about 6 months had some had times and started back dipping. but today i going to try again and get my life in order and put this tobacco in its place on the shelf. thanks
You're setting yourself up to fail my man... there is NO TRY. Do it. Quit. Period end of fucking story.
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been about 6 months had some had times and started back dipping. but today i going to try again and get my life in order and put this tobacco in its place on the shelf. thanks
You're setting yourself up to fail my man... there is NO TRY. Do it. Quit. Period end of fucking story.
you're right i'm going to quit today
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been about 6 months had some had times and started back dipping. but today i going to try again and get my life in order and put this tobacco in its place on the shelf. thanks
You're setting yourself up to fail my man... there is NO TRY. Do it. Quit. Period end of fucking story.
you're right i'm going to quit today
Now we're talking... well done friend.
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No better time than today.
Stay Close to the site
Post roll Everyday
Stay Quit
Welcome Back
Justin
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Wow...what and encouraging thread...until you DIDN'T QUIT!
When you are ready to grow a pair...dump your tins, ditch all your spitters, get some gum sunflower seeds etc... and get into your quit group and post roll.
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Today is going to be a new start with my life. No tobacco and not let my family and myself down. Its been long enough. 25 years ive quit a couple times and something has all ways brought me back to the can. But today i've had enough. How do i post roll and thak you
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Today is going to be a new start with my life. No tobacco and not let my family and myself down. Its been long enough. 25 years ive quit a couple times and something has all ways brought me back to the can. But today i've had enough. How do i post roll and thak you
Junior,
Reading back through your three other introductions...I see this isn't your first time at the rodeo. What's going to be different this time?
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
After a few days...when your gums heal...probably will want to start back then, right? You have a bad day at work, family life gets a little hectic...you know how it goes...something else that pisses you off more than tobacco...you going to go running back, right?
You have 30+ posts here. I suspect you know how the site works. Let me ask again. What are you as a bad ass quitter going to do differently this time around. What steps will you take to ensure you do not put that shit in your mouth???
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
After a few days...when your gums heal...probably will want to start back then, right? You have a bad day at work, family life gets a little hectic...you know how it goes...something else that pisses you off more than tobacco...you going to go running back, right?
You have 30+ posts here. I suspect you know how the site works. Let me ask again. What are you as a bad ass quitter going to do differently this time around. What steps will you take to ensure you do not put that shit in your mouth???
Junior, bamadan is right!!! What are you going to to different this time???? How BAD do you really want this quit this time around!!! It takes BIG BALLS to quit and stay quit!!! Its EASY to be a pussy and cave!!! Sign yourself up and post roll in the October 2010 group! We'll even leave the light on for you! Welcome back to the SUCK!!! And while you're at it you can start out in your new group introducing yourself and explaining your situation and your QUIT PLAN this time!!! If you keep your end of the bargain we will SUPPORT you!
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
After a few days...when your gums heal...probably will want to start back then, right? You have a bad day at work, family life gets a little hectic...you know how it goes...something else that pisses you off more than tobacco...you going to go running back, right?
You have 30+ posts here. I suspect you know how the site works. Let me ask again. What are you as a bad ass quitter going to do differently this time around. What steps will you take to ensure you do not put that shit in your mouth???
Junior, bamadan is right!!! What are you going to to different this time???? How BAD do you really want this quit this time around!!! It takes BIG BALLS to quit and stay quit!!! Its EASY to be a pussy and cave!!! Sign yourself up and post roll in the October 2010 group! We'll even leave the light on for you! Welcome back to the SUCK!!!
Submit to the QUIT! Make this the final QUIT! End the CYCLE of destruction that is your life right now! Embrace the SUCK!
You know what you've got to do. Grow 2 brass balls, Embrace the suck, and get through this.
October is a strong group, if you post up in there you better have your shit together and be ready for the long haul.
Think about this...I am on day 63. I got here one day at a time. Today, I feel like nothing can touch me. I've destroyed sooo many craves it is almost sad. The nic0_bitch ain't got shit on me....you can have this too. Just Man Up.
CC
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
After a few days...when your gums heal...probably will want to start back then, right? You have a bad day at work, family life gets a little hectic...you know how it goes...something else that pisses you off more than tobacco...you going to go running back, right?
You have 30+ posts here. I suspect you know how the site works. Let me ask again. What are you as a bad ass quitter going to do differently this time around. What steps will you take to ensure you do not put that shit in your mouth???
Junior, bamadan is right!!! What are you going to to different this time???? How BAD do you really want this quit this time around!!! It takes BIG BALLS to quit and stay quit!!! Its EASY to be a pussy and cave!!! Sign yourself up and post roll in the October 2010 group! We'll even leave the light on for you! Welcome back to the SUCK!!!
Submit to the QUIT! Make this the final QUIT! End the CYCLE of destruction that is your life right now! Embrace the SUCK!
You know what you've got to do. Grow 2 brass balls, Embrace the suck, and get through this.
October is a strong group, if you post up in there you better have your shit together and be ready for the long haul.
Think about this...I am on day 63. I got here one day at a time. Today, I feel like nothing can touch me. I've destroyed sooo many craves it is almost sad. The nic0_bitch ain't got shit on me....you can have this too. Just Man Up.
CC
wow, the 5th introduction? There should have only been 1 introduction and when you came back, and back, and back, you should have just added to your first introduction. But nothing has changed...looks like your just back to the same ole, same ole.
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my gums are killing me and its just quit time i've had enough of this tobacco crap i'm pissed off this time and its time to quit
After a few days...when your gums heal...probably will want to start back then, right? You have a bad day at work, family life gets a little hectic...you know how it goes...something else that pisses you off more than tobacco...you going to go running back, right?
You have 30+ posts here. I suspect you know how the site works. Let me ask again. What are you as a bad ass quitter going to do differently this time around. What steps will you take to ensure you do not put that shit in your mouth???
Junior, bamadan is right!!! What are you going to to different this time???? How BAD do you really want this quit this time around!!! It takes BIG BALLS to quit and stay quit!!! Its EASY to be a pussy and cave!!! Sign yourself up and post roll in the October 2010 group! We'll even leave the light on for you! Welcome back to the SUCK!!!
Submit to the QUIT! Make this the final QUIT! End the CYCLE of destruction that is your life right now! Embrace the SUCK!
You know what you've got to do. Grow 2 brass balls, Embrace the suck, and get through this.
October is a strong group, if you post up in there you better have your shit together and be ready for the long haul.
Think about this...I am on day 63. I got here one day at a time. Today, I feel like nothing can touch me. I've destroyed sooo many craves it is almost sad. The nic0_bitch ain't got shit on me....you can have this too. Just Man Up.
CC
wow, the 5th introduction? There should have only been 1 introduction and when you came back, and back, and back, you should have just added to your first introduction. But nothing has changed...looks like your just back to the same ole, same ole.
Hey MikeA I'm sure he's serious, fifth times a charm. Right???? _
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hey two days are better than one. and thanks for the support i'm telling you this time this is it! hey mike a love that little picture you have. i"m i doing the roll call right? TODAY I WILL NOT USE TOBACCO!!! GET THE PICTURE!!! THANK YOU!!!
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Junior, time to wake the fuck up son. You need to read everthing on this site including how to properly post roll. I am apart of the Oct quit group and will supprt you to the hilt, if (and only if) you're serious that you're quit. To convince all of us (including yourself) that this time will be different, please post your plan for dealing with triggers, cravings and potential caves. Do you have any numbers, did you print out the contract to quit, have you read this whole site, did you buy seeds gum fake etc. 2 days are better than 1 and we're happy that you're not using. Remember, stop dipping is different than quit dipping. Are you stopped or r u quit!?!?
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Day three and and no tobacco. You think that I'm not serious about quitting tobacco. Well everybody's got opinion i guess that i'll have to prove you wrong. And captnncoke i did wake up this morning and guess what TOBACCO FREE. And my plan for quitting to not to use tobacco. As for the cravings the thing i been doing is getting a 20 oz glass of water or a diet mt dew and taking a walk. the only time i ever dip was after supper . But now after supper i walk and do a little reading.TODAY TOBACCO FREE!!! GET THE PICTURE!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
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Ooooooo Junior, where are you????? Thought you were fixin to prove us all wrong? Guess fifth time wasn't a charm after all. huh
sm
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sorry for not doing roll call, lost job about a year ago. had to do away with the internet the only time i get on the internet is at the libaray. so on weekends i won't be able to post roll until monday i hope that is alright . because the libarary is closed on the weekends in our town and yes still TOBACCO FREE DAY 7. man you just dont know but this time is just different there will be NO TOBACCO THANK YOU
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
cmay, I stand corrected on that point. However, I only went through the last few days of October's roll prior to posting my original thoughts and did not see him on those rolls, hence my assumption.
Having said that, perhaps there is an alternate explanation as to why junior is in here on August 3 posting that on day 15 he's alive and well as opposed to going to his new October group home and posting the same there?
Again, just theorizing, but I suspect junior realizes that had he appeared in October, someone would have called for explanations as to where he has been in not posting roll, thus putting him in an uncomfortable sitiation.
So, my general opinion that junior is a cowardly douchenozzle that has no balls and hates confrontation about that fact still stands...unless and until junior faces you faithful quitters in Oct. and explains the whole roll issue.
But that's just me.
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
cmay, I stand corrected on that point. However, I only went through the last few days of October's roll prior to posting my original thoughts and did not see him on those rolls, hence my assumption.
Having said that, perhaps there is an alternate explanation as to why junior is in here on August 3 posting that on day 15 he's alive and well as opposed to going to his new October group home and posting the same there?
Again, just theorizing, but I suspect junior realizes that had he appeared in October, someone would have called for explanations as to where he has been in not posting roll, thus putting him in an uncomfortable sitiation.
So, my general opinion that junior is a cowardly douchenozzle that has no balls and hates confrontation about that fact still stands...unless and until junior faces you faithful quitters in Oct. and explains the whole roll issue.
But that's just me.
I also don't think Junior is very computer saavy. His posts often appear in weird locations, often with a lot of all-caps typing.
Ferfucksake...
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
cmay, I stand corrected on that point. However, I only went through the last few days of October's roll prior to posting my original thoughts and did not see him on those rolls, hence my assumption.
Having said that, perhaps there is an alternate explanation as to why junior is in here on August 3 posting that on day 15 he's alive and well as opposed to going to his new October group home and posting the same there?
Again, just theorizing, but I suspect junior realizes that had he appeared in October, someone would have called for explanations as to where he has been in not posting roll, thus putting him in an uncomfortable sitiation.
So, my general opinion that junior is a cowardly douchenozzle that has no balls and hates confrontation about that fact still stands...unless and until junior faces you faithful quitters in Oct. and explains the whole roll issue.
But that's just me.
I also don't think Junior is very computer saavy. His posts often appear in weird locations, often with a lot of all-caps typing.
Ferfucksake...
Then I gladly accept your proposition that junior is a retarded, cowardly douchenozzle serial caver as a compromise to the issue.
See what dialog can do?
:D
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
cmay, I stand corrected on that point. However, I only went through the last few days of October's roll prior to posting my original thoughts and did not see him on those rolls, hence my assumption.
Having said that, perhaps there is an alternate explanation as to why junior is in here on August 3 posting that on day 15 he's alive and well as opposed to going to his new October group home and posting the same there?
Again, just theorizing, but I suspect junior realizes that had he appeared in October, someone would have called for explanations as to where he has been in not posting roll, thus putting him in an uncomfortable sitiation.
So, my general opinion that junior is a cowardly douchenozzle that has no balls and hates confrontation about that fact still stands...unless and until junior faces you faithful quitters in Oct. and explains the whole roll issue.
But that's just me.
I also don't think Junior is very computer saavy. His posts often appear in weird locations, often with a lot of all-caps typing.
Ferfucksake...
Then I gladly accept your proposition that junior is a retarded, cowardly douchenozzle serial caver as a compromise to the issue.
See what dialog can do?
:D
Touche. :D
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Hanging in there life is great without tabacco. day 15
Please explain. You joined well over a year ago--have 47 posts--which leads me to the conclusion you are/were a part of a group previously, yet, you post on here you are on day 15 and I don't think I recognize you as being a part of the Oct. 2010 group.
So, if I read correctly, you are a caver and thought you'd sneak on here to dip your toe in the water as opposed to diving in and announcing to the world that you are a previous caver with an ass-whuppin' coming.
Please advise if I am wrong.
Looks like he was here, caved, came back, caved, now is back. I guess the plan is that the third time is the charm? Or is it 3 strikes your out?
Dude are you in or out? We don't need want to quiters. We need quiters that will fight thru the fog, keep their word, post daily and support their other brothers and sisters.
index.php?showtopic=2701hl= (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2701&hl=)
So what are you going to do?
Junior has been in October for a while - I think he already went through this process when he posted his day 1.
Junior's Readmittance (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3650)
cmay, I stand corrected on that point. However, I only went through the last few days of October's roll prior to posting my original thoughts and did not see him on those rolls, hence my assumption.
Having said that, perhaps there is an alternate explanation as to why junior is in here on August 3 posting that on day 15 he's alive and well as opposed to going to his new October group home and posting the same there?
Again, just theorizing, but I suspect junior realizes that had he appeared in October, someone would have called for explanations as to where he has been in not posting roll, thus putting him in an uncomfortable sitiation.
So, my general opinion that junior is a cowardly douchenozzle that has no balls and hates confrontation about that fact still stands...unless and until junior faces you faithful quitters in Oct. and explains the whole roll issue.
But that's just me.
I also don't think Junior is very computer saavy. His posts often appear in weird locations, often with a lot of all-caps typing.
Ferfucksake...
Then I gladly accept your proposition that junior is a retarded, cowardly douchenozzle serial caver as a compromise to the issue.
See what dialog can do?
:D
This is one guy that needs to post his contract before being readmitted. I'm surprised somebody didn't run him off after 5 times. 'crackup'
Dave